New sub-woofer for GR Research! See pics and specs.

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Danny Richie

Yea I am finally having a sub-woofer made.

Actually it can be used for more than just a sub-woofer. It plays smoothly to 500Hz.

I had several objectives for this design.

As a sub-woofer I wanted low end extension with a -3db close to 20Hz.

I also wanted to do it with a relatively small box.

The main focus was to be on sound quality not quantity.

It also needed to have a nice smooth response up to about 500Hz so that it can be used in three way designs.

To get the low end extension the box has to either be ported or used with a passive radiator. Since the ports will be huge to tune a small box to a low Fs the solution was a matching PR. So they were designed together to be used together.







Since sound quality was high on the list a treated paper cone material was chosen as well as a dust cap made from the same material.

They both use the same cast aluminum frame.

A large 1.5" rolled surround was used to minimize any cone flex as the limit of the X-max is approached. This will reduced distortion that occurs from cone flexing.

I am not a big believer in playing woofers to levels that force really high X-max's. Long exertions equals high distortion.

If you want to move a lot of air and you want it to sound good then I recommend using more woofers.

Here are the specs and the tuning of the box according to Bass Box software. Adding a little bit of mass to the PR in the test box I was able to confirm the tuning with an impedance sweep.

The final product (PR) will have a bolt running through it that will allow for mass to be added as per washers and screws.

Laudspeaker Parameters
-General Information-
Company: GR Research
Model: 12 inch
Note/SN:
-Mechanical Parameters –
Fs = 20.5 hertz
Qms = 4.85
Vas = 3.56 cu.ft or 101 liters
Cms = 0.057 in/Ib
Mms = 5.964 oz or 169.1 grams
Rms = 9.843 Ibs/sec
Xmax = 16 mm
Sd = 72.5 sq.in
Dia = 9.6 in
-Electrical Parameters-
Qes = 0.440
Re = 6.7 ohms
Le = 5.16 mH
Z = 8.0 ohms
BL = 18.5 N/A
Pe = 200 watts
– Combination Parameters –
Qts = 0.40
qo = 0.201%
Sens = 87.03 dB (2.83 V)
--Multiple Drivers-
Number= 1
Single
Wiring: single
Single Driver Passive Radiator Box Parameters
Vb = 2.400 cu.ft
Vap = 6.000 cu.ft
Fp = 12.5 hertz
F3 = 20.8 hertz
Fill = normal

Oh yea! I need to think of a name and or model number for these things. Any good ideas.

There is currently a small run of 200 woofers and 200 PR's being built, just to see how they go first.

I also plan on using these in two three-way kits in our A/V series. Looks like lots of fun ahead....

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New sub-woofer for GR Research! See pics and specs.
« Reply #1 on: 7 May 2004, 08:45 pm »
The "Delta" it will "change" how you feel about subs!

ddemeterio5

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Name for a GR sub
« Reply #2 on: 8 May 2004, 10:25 am »
How about: GRowLLLLLLL :evil:

Is this a powered sub?

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« Reply #3 on: 8 May 2004, 11:21 am »
Danny,

Have you thought of doing a line array of the subs? Active, PR, Active, PR, Active PR? That would be wicked cool to have a stack next to and/or slightly behind the Alphas  :D. I'm sure you could get the extension you're looking for with minimal distortion and a bad ass look.

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« Reply #4 on: 8 May 2004, 12:50 pm »
Danny:  keeping with the latin.

How about:

inferne : meaning on the lower side, below.

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« Reply #5 on: 8 May 2004, 02:41 pm »
i tink "gr-research rumble" has a nice ring to it...  of course, there's always "danny's inferno", if ya wanna keep it on the latin side!   :wink:

doug s.

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« Reply #6 on: 8 May 2004, 04:25 pm »
klh that sounds really kick ass. I'll sell you everything you need to build a set.  :mrgreen:

inferne? How is it pronouned?

Brad, didn't you come up with the name for the Diluceo?

jkelly

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« Reply #7 on: 8 May 2004, 06:17 pm »
You already have the Alphas!

Now the Omega completes it.

Jeff

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« Reply #8 on: 8 May 2004, 07:05 pm »
I vote for the "Omega"...

If you make it an array, not only will it complete the system, but it will be the last subwoofer anyone will ever need (or want) :!:

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« Reply #9 on: 8 May 2004, 07:07 pm »
SUBTERRA    :evil:

a subwoofer is not subtle, the name should be agressive
just my 2 cents

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« Reply #10 on: 8 May 2004, 07:17 pm »
GR-umble  
GR-owler
GR-oundSwell

Name and effect  8)

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New sub-woofer for GR Research! See pics and specs.
« Reply #11 on: 9 May 2004, 02:47 am »
Danny:  yes I did, and I sure wish you would have had these subs last year as I already spent my millions on my 2 RELS!  How are these going to integrate with the Diluceos?  From the description, it sounds like you are going after the Strata III sound vs. volume solution.  With 2 subs, the Diluceos sound pretty good, and really eliminated some midbass haze that existed with a single.  Good luck on the launch!  Oh, and by the way, what do think the price range will be?
Brad

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Price
« Reply #12 on: 9 May 2004, 05:30 pm »
Ah yes, the price.

Well you know me. I like to buy large volumes to get good prices and then pass that on to my customers.

I am thinking starting those woofers out at $99.50 each and the PR's at $44.50 each.

How's that?

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« Reply #13 on: 9 May 2004, 07:48 pm »
good deal-

now that i have a dedicated 2ch room i have to replace my vmps large in the ht setup-i do like pr based systems :mrgreen:

the GRanite-rock solid and natural bass from a  foundation of  excellence

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« Reply #14 on: 9 May 2004, 07:59 pm »
Why do you have to replace the Larger?

Just curious...

George

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« Reply #15 on: 9 May 2004, 08:07 pm »
larger is in the 2ch set up-
2pr of these for 300$ and some diy boxes :mrgreen:
if i liked them better for music i could move the large back to ht duty.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #16 on: 9 May 2004, 09:38 pm »
I had them made as 8 ohm woofers too so if one chooses they can run a pair of them with only one plate amp.

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« Reply #17 on: 10 May 2004, 12:19 am »
Do you have any plans in the works for DIY enclosures or drawings? I think this would be a fun project to make one of these sub's. What approx box size are we looking at for these drivers?

Danny Richie

Boxes
« Reply #18 on: 10 May 2004, 12:50 am »
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Do you have any plans in the works for DIY enclosures or drawings?


Sure.

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What approx box size are we looking at for these drivers?


See the first post.

They hit a -3db of 20Hz in only 2.6 cubic feet with this PR.

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Re: Boxes
« Reply #19 on: 10 May 2004, 02:53 pm »
how about doin' up a wersion w/two active drivers per box...

doug s.

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Do you have any plans in the works for DIY enclosures or drawings?


Sure.

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What approx box size are we looking at for these drivers?


See the first post.

They hit a -3db of 20Hz in only 2.6 cubic feet with this PR.