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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Home Theater and Video => Topic started by: Nick B on 5 Mar 2023, 06:58 pm
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I have two TVs, both Samsungs. One is smart …and UHD… and Wi-Fi capable, the other isn’t. Bought in 2013 and 2015. The performance has been ok. I want functional, reliable and a reasonably good picture. I’ve used an Apple TV box, the latest version, since December 2022. The Samsung UHD 640D has always been quirky and the only way to fix things sometimes is to unplug the unit for 30+ seconds. That finally fixed the lagging volume function via the Apple TV remote. Now the problem is watching Amazon Prime Video. I don’t get video, only audio and text and subtitles on the screen. Using Amazon support last night, I unplugged the TV and got video on one show. Then switching to the next show and another, no video again. Unplugging solved it to be able to watch one show again. Then no video again. I’m tired of dealing with this quirky software. Would like to get a new TV, under 50” and UHD. Oled would be nice, but really don’t want to pay for it as I want to keep the price at $500 max, preferably $450 or under. I was looking for a pedestal type, but it seems all the new TVs have the two supporting feet way apart. Not good if one doesn’t have a wide cabinet. Really don’t want to buy a wide cabinet just for an inexpensive new TV.
Suggestions welcome and appreciated.
Nick
So
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I had the same problem.......wide spaced TV feet and a stand not wide enough to accommodate them.
So I got this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018I1XTFU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Not an expensive solution, and it has features not offered by the stock feet: height adjustable and rotates for different viewing angles.
IMO, requiring a pedestal base on your TV greatly limits your options since few TVs have it these days. Just get the TV you want, and a base like this if you need it. :thumb:
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A year ago a friend got a Samsung Crystal UHD - 7 Series TU700D. The TV is 65" but I would guess the picture quality of all sizes look the same.
The best I can say about the picture quality is you get used to it. Compared to my 60" Panasonic plasma the Samsung makes movies and video look like a hyper detailed soap opera.
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The soap opera effect is a 120 Hz motion smoothing that can (and should) be turned off.
Out of the box, TVs come with store display modes enabled: over sharpening, 120 Hz motion smoothing, over saturated colors, and blinding brightness. It attracts attention on a display in Best Buy, but it is very inaccurate and essentially unwatchable.
Typically you have to go into the settings and find the movie mode and perhaps separately turn off the 120 Hz. Video is either 24 Hz (movies) or 60 Hz (TV broadcasts) so 120 always looks plastic and creepy.
For the better TVs that have a good range of settings available, AVForums will typically have a dedicated discussion for the best settings to get good picture quality. Default settings are always attrocious.
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Apple TV is terrific. In the settings you can perform a video calibration. You use your iPhone to measure the test scenes and then the Apple TV will output calibrated video to the TV. Programming not going through the Apple TV can't benefit from that, obviously, but it is very helpful to have a well-calibrated reference point from the Apple TV.
Correctly calibrated video often looks odd at first (maybe a little dull), but the eyes adjust and it is more satisfying in the long run. Oddly, we can get much closer to "as the artist intended" with video than we can with audio.
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The video calibration won't turn off the motion smoothing 120 Hz setting. You'll still want to make the best adjustments you can without it. But it gets you from "ok" to "in the ballpark of professionally calibrated for production work."
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Thanks for the tips, I fined tuned the color on my plasma using settings on AVS Forum but not touching the settings on my friends Samsung. She likes it that way and is not a videophile or audiophile.
I'm not old, only 74, but my friends are an old 74. Their eyesight is going along with their hearing and cognitive abilities. Some have a hard time hearing the dialog and can no longer read subtitles. If the plot gets anymore complicated than "All Things Great and Small" they ask "What is happening?"
I resist the urge to fix these things, my friends are happy so there is nothing to be fixed, makes my life simpler too.
TV sound is hit and miss, I have no idea how to evaluate how a TV sounds in a noisy Best Buy. I guess you buy from a place that has free delivery, free pickup and returns.
I still watch over-the-air channels. TV tuners are also hit and miss. A friend got a TV and could only pick up 1 channel, returned the TV for another brand and was able to get all 40 OTA channels Tucson has to offer.
Current TVs are able to play hi-res video like 4K .mkv and MP4 files from a USB thumbdrive. There are plenty of sites to download free sample videos, make a couple of video thumbdrives to use when TV shopping. Plug one in when the salesman isn't watching (or ask first). Take two drives with different videos because sometimes a TV won't read a file. DTS-HD Master Audio movies will never play, Dolby Atmos is OK but a huge movie rip will choke the puny TV processor. My brother's big new Sony will fast forward a movie but not reverse so if you want to re-watch a scene the film has to be stopped and re-started at the film's beginning and fast forward to the action scene.
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I use the Plex app on my Apple TV to stream video from a hard drive (NAS). The hardware video and sound processing in the Apple TV handles everything, so the TV itself is just feeding pixels to the panel.
I keep the TV itself disconnected from the internet. It only has HDMI inputs connected. The "smart" TVs are just spyware. They track and report everything you watch. Apple TV is far more constrained in how and what information it tracks.
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I had the same problem.......wide spaced TV feet and a stand not wide enough to accommodate them.
So I got this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018I1XTFU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Not an expensive solution, and it has features not offered by the stock feet: height adjustable and rotates for different viewing angles.
IMO, requiring a pedestal base on your TV greatly limits your options since few TVs have it these days. Just get the TV you want, and a base like this if you need it. :thumb:
Thanks for the link. That certainly is a good option for me. I’m assuming that all of these TVs have some type of openings or connection points on the back.
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The video calibration won't turn off the motion smoothing 120 Hz setting. You'll still want to make the best adjustments you can without it. But it gets you from "ok" to "in the ballpark of professionally calibrated for production work."
Thanks for the info about calibration and hertz rates. I’m quite pleased with the AppleTV box so far.
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Hi Nick, I was looking for a 43" inexpensive TV last year and did a lot of research and viewing as the TV's under $500 suck for the most part. The best TV that we found was this Samsung-
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-43-class-q60b-qled-4k-smart-tizen-tv/6502237.p?skuId=6502237
Right now it is on sale for $430 which is a great buy as I have never seen it that low. I bought one last year and my daughter bought one recently. Trust me, it has the best picture for a TV less than $500 and 43" and less. It works well and is easy to navigate. Trust me, in this class of TV's you get what you pay for. None of the TV's in this price range get very bright or work well in well lit area's. This SS was the best and has the best picture and good features. It is also the recommended TV from the web site I listed below and they were spot on.
Also, check out this site. It is very helpful and it also has calibration settings that help immensely.
https://www.rtings.com/tv
Larry
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Brightness and viewing angle might be issues to research.
OLED TVs may not be easy to see in a room that get lots of light. They can also suffer from image burn-in if a static image is on screen for a long time (hours to days), but it's possibly a rare issue.
Viewing angles also vary.
The Rtings site seems to do real testing and comparisons, with data. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/tvs-on-the-market
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Hi Nick, I was looking for a 43" inexpensive TV last year and did a lot of research and viewing as the TV's under $500 suck for the most part. The best TV that we found was this Samsung-
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-43-class-q60b-qled-4k-smart-tizen-tv/6502237.p?skuId=6502237
Right now it is on sale for $430 which is a great buy as I have never seen it that low. I bought one last year and my daughter bought one recently. Trust me, it has the best picture for a TV less than $500 and 43" and less. It works well and is easy to navigate. Trust me, in this class of TV's you get what you pay for. None of the TV's in this price range get very bright or work well in well lit area's. This SS was the best and has the best picture and good features. It is also the recommended TV from the web site I listed below and they were spot on.
Also, check out this site. It is very helpful and it also has calibration settings that help immensely.
https://www.rtings.com/tv
Larry
Hi Larry,
Thanks for the tip! Just bought it and will pick it up in the Las Vegas area tomorrow. Not too much of a drive for me and I get to visit a friend too. As an aside, I enjoy reading your audio comments and value your opinions.
Nick
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Thanks for the link. That certainly is a good option for me. I’m assuming that all of these TVs have some type of openings or connection points on the back.
Yes, there are 4 holes for mounting. It's called the VESA pattern, and it can vary. You just need to measure yours to know which mount to get.
Here's a good and clear explanation:
https://kantomounts.com/what-is-vesa-how-to-find-the-right-vesa-mount-for-your-tv/
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Yes, there are 4 holes for mounting. It's called the VESA pattern, and it can vary. You just need to measure yours to know which mount to get.
Here's a good and clear explanation:
https://kantomounts.com/what-is-vesa-how-to-find-the-right-vesa-mount-for-your-tv/
Thank you. That’s very helpful
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How do you like the TV?
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How do you like the TV?
Don’t have it yet. Now available Thursday in that particular store at the earliest per the customer service rep. There was one unit available when I completed the order, so not sure what happened.
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Don’t have it yet. Now available Thursday in that particular store at the earliest per the customer service rep. There was one unit available when I completed the order, so not sure what happened.
Hi Larry,
Picked up the Samsung today and just got it set up with the help of Samsung. I haven’t tried to tweak or optimize it…wouldn’t know how to do that. I like the picture and the much smaller remote than my previous 2015 Samsung. I am already controlling the TV via the Apple TV box. Did not need to set up the Apple TV box again. It just automatically mated with the new Samsung.
If you have any suggestions about optimizing any functions, pls let me know.
Nick
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Nick, here is a place to start for calibration settings. This is for the 60" version but it applies to the 43" version. These are suggested settings but you can tailor them to your liking. I am glad to hear that you like the TV.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q60-q60b-qled/settings
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If you have an Apple TV and an iPhone can do some fun tricks for calibration the picture.
https://www.macworld.com/article/344476/iphone-apple-tv-color-balance-calibration-how-to.html
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Is this a smart TV ?? Can it record and video you ? In the market for a new TV and hearing that they do. Is that true ? Thanks.
charles
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Yes, it’s a smart TV. I believe most are nowadays. I am assuming that a good hacker might have the capability to invade my privacy via the internet, microphone or camera …. if there is one. Within reason, I do what I can to protect my privacy.
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Is this a smart TV ?? Can it record and video you ? In the market for a new TV and hearing that they do. Is that true ? Thanks.
I don't connect my TV to the Internet using it's built-in software. I use a Roku stick plugged into one of the HDMI ports to bring in whatever Internet streaming service I wish to use. I think that should avoid at least the video issue if that's still the case. The various Roku, Amazon, and other connection devices generally have voice recognition on the remote as a way to change channels, etc. I think you have to push a button on the remote while speaking for that to work.
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If you have an Apple TV and an iPhone can do some fun tricks for calibration the picture.
https://www.macworld.com/article/344476/iphone-apple-tv-color-balance-calibration-how-to.html
Great tip, thanks. The process was automatic after going into Settings on the Apple TV box. The Samsung screen and iPhone gave prompts on how to proceed. The picture showed a nice improvement and I did the Wireless Audio Sync as well.
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Hi Larry,
Picked up the Samsung today and just got it set up with the help of Samsung. I haven’t tried to tweak or optimize it…wouldn’t know how to do that. I like the picture and the much smaller remote than my previous 2015 Samsung. I am already controlling the TV via the Apple TV box. Did not need to set up the Apple TV box again. It just automatically mated with the new Samsung.
If you have any suggestions about optimizing any functions, pls let me know.
Nick
Larry,
I played with the settings and everything looks good. Then I tried the suggestion of TF1216 regarding using the iPhone capability to calibrate . Am really happy with the Samsung and what a great deal as well.
Nick
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Awesome to hear! Was it easy to use the iPhone for calibration duties?
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Awesome to hear! Was it easy to use the iPhone for calibration duties?
Yes, very simple. I don’t have it open right now, but I believe I went to Settings on the Apple TV box and then to Video and a prompt appeared on the TV screen, if I want to use my iPhone to calibrate the color. Once that was accomplished, another prompt appeared regarding the Wireless Audio Sync.
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It may have been covered earlier, but the iPhone is calibrating just the color on its HDMI output to the TV, so other devices using other HDMI inputs will not benefit from the iPhone/Apple TV calibration.
There are also settings that the Apple TV calibration can't affect. A few test patterns on a USB stick would allow you to adjust the white level, black level, backlighting, color space, and other settings to achieve a basic calibration of the panel. The Apple TV provides fine-tuning color adjustments for the video that it sends to the TV.
I'm sure it looks great, however, so additional tweaking could be superfluous.
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It may have been covered earlier, but the iPhone is calibrating just the color on its HDMI output to the TV, so other devices using other HDMI inputs will not benefit from the iPhone/Apple TV calibration.
There are also settings that the Apple TV calibration can't affect. A few test patterns on a USB stick would allow you to adjust the white level, black level, backlighting, color space, and other settings to achieve a basic calibration of the panel. The Apple TV provides fine-tuning color adjustments for the video that it sends to the TV.
I'm sure it looks great, however, so additional tweaking could be superfluous.
Yes, I think color only is all it did. But what a nice job! I had fiddled with the video settings before via a link that Larry provided. But the iPhone calibration did a better job. I’m only using the TV. No external speakers, sound bar etc. I looked at the adjustments for white, black, etc. It’s all new to me and I didn’t want to dig into that deeply as I’m auditioning an amp and a silver digital cable. I’m really happy with the picture as is for now. The software is also much nicer on this Samsung than my 2015 Samsung 640D.
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After several late model expensive TV failures ( just out of warranty ) I've decided to go cheap from now on. I can buy several cheap Chinese TV's for the price of a single Sony or Samsung. TV's are now throw away items as the price of repair often exceeds the price of a replacement. Twice over the last few years I've taken TV's to a repair shop only to pay $100 for a diagnosis in which the technician explained that the repair would cost more than a new TV.
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After several late model expensive TV failures ( just out of warranty ) I've decided to go cheap from now on. I can buy several cheap Chinese TV's for the price of a single Sony or Samsung. TV's are now throw away items as the price of repair often exceeds the price of a replacement. Twice over the last few years I've taken TV's to a repair shop only to pay $100 for a diagnosis in which the technician explained that the repair would cost more than a new TV.
I agree. While I have Samsung in my den all bedrooms have the Insignia brand from Best Buy. Decent picture and you cant beat the price
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Can't disagree about buying inexpensive TVs. Fortunately, i've had very good luck with TV reliability over the years. The Samsung that I bought in March continues to perform beautifully.
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I have a different problem. My 42" 17 yo Panasonic plasma won't die.
The picture is as good today as it was when I bought it.
It's not smart but pretty darn reliable.
I'm itching for a 55" set with all the new bells and whistles.
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NY Times Wirecutter has an updated list (although some picks are from 2022), unfortunately it costs money to read. Picture quality can actually be measured (unlike audio) so their recommendations are only a starting point. Lots more info in the reviews and comments section regarding brightness, motion blur, etc.
The Best TVs
Updated July 21, 2023
We’ve spent hundreds of hours researching and testing TVs to find the best choices for any budget and room size. See all our top picks here.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-tv/ (https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-tv/)
The Wirecutter recommendations in a nutshell:
Hisense U8H sports all of the advanced TV technologies we like to see—quantum dots for richer color saturation, a mini-LED backlight with local dimming for better black levels and overall contrast, and a 120 Hz refresh rate for improved motion. Hisense’s video processing isn’t up to the standards of Sony or Samsung, so the more eagle-eyed videophile might notice banding and upscaling artifacts in some video and gaming content.
TCL 5-Series (S555) delivers a great-looking 4K HDR picture with better brightness capabilities than the competition, and it comes in 50-, 55-, 65-, and 75-inch sizes to fit most rooms. It’s the company’s lowest-priced TV line to incorporate advanced LCD technologies such as a full-array local-dimming LED backlight for improved image contrast and quantum dots for richer color, and it supports Dolby Vision HDR and the latest advanced gaming features. The 5-Series’s panel has only a 60 Hz refresh rate, so motion isn’t as fluid as it can be on a 120 Hz panel, which offers faster pixel refresh and reduced motion blur.
Samsung S95B employs QD-OLED, a new technology in 2022 that combines the best qualities of OLED TVs—perfect black levels, wide viewing angles, and a super-sleek design—with the color-enhancing power of quantum dots. No support for the Dolby Vision HDR format.
The Best 4K TV on a Budget
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-4k-tv/
TCL 5-Series Roku TV (S555) continues the tradition of the company’s previous 5-Series models, delivering advanced TV tech that ensures a great picture for a reasonable price. It’s brighter than similarly priced models, though not as bright as a premium LCD TV. This TV supports the latest AV formats, including HDR10+ and Dolby Vision for high dynamic range and Dolby Atmos for spatial audio, and it offers a snappy and intuitive smart-TV experience via the built-in Roku platform. This TV is limited to a 60 Hz refresh rate (rather than the 120 Hz found on pricier TVs).
Hisense’s U6H Series Google TV checks the right boxes: This series offers the same advanced tech as our top pick and produces a good-looking picture overall. But in our comparative testing, the U6H fell short of our top pick in overall brightness and its ability to show fine shadow details in darker movie scenes. That said, you might prefer this TV to the TCL 5-Series if you’re gaga for Google—and especially if you’d prefer to have Filmmaker Mode, a picture mode tuned for maximum accuracy (and one that the 5-Series lacks). If, however, you want a TV that looks good across a variety of lighting conditions, keep in mind that the Hisense U6H lacks the backlight power to perform its best in a bright room.
What do I watch? A 60" Panasonic Plasma. If you have ever watched a movie on one you know why.
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NY Times Wirecutter has an updated list (although some picks are from 2022), unfortunately it costs money to read. Picture quality can actually be measured (unlike audio) so their recommendations are only a starting point. Lots more info in the reviews and comments section regarding brightness, motion blur, etc.
The Best TVs
Updated July 21, 2023
We’ve spent hundreds of hours researching and testing TVs to find the best choices for any budget and room size. See all our top picks here.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-tv/ (https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-tv/)
The Wirecutter recommendations in a nutshell:
Hisense U8H sports all of the advanced TV technologies we like to see—quantum dots for richer color saturation, a mini-LED backlight with local dimming for better black levels and overall contrast, and a 120 Hz refresh rate for improved motion. Hisense’s video processing isn’t up to the standards of Sony or Samsung, so the more eagle-eyed videophile might notice banding and upscaling artifacts in some video and gaming content.
TCL 5-Series (S555) delivers a great-looking 4K HDR picture with better brightness capabilities than the competition, and it comes in 50-, 55-, 65-, and 75-inch sizes to fit most rooms. It’s the company’s lowest-priced TV line to incorporate advanced LCD technologies such as a full-array local-dimming LED backlight for improved image contrast and quantum dots for richer color, and it supports Dolby Vision HDR and the latest advanced gaming features. The 5-Series’s panel has only a 60 Hz refresh rate, so motion isn’t as fluid as it can be on a 120 Hz panel, which offers faster pixel refresh and reduced motion blur.
Samsung S95B employs QD-OLED, a new technology in 2022 that combines the best qualities of OLED TVs—perfect black levels, wide viewing angles, and a super-sleek design—with the color-enhancing power of quantum dots. No support for the Dolby Vision HDR format.
The Best 4K TV on a Budget
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-4k-tv/
TCL 5-Series Roku TV (S555) continues the tradition of the company’s previous 5-Series models, delivering advanced TV tech that ensures a great picture for a reasonable price. It’s brighter than similarly priced models, though not as bright as a premium LCD TV. This TV supports the latest AV formats, including HDR10+ and Dolby Vision for high dynamic range and Dolby Atmos for spatial audio, and it offers a snappy and intuitive smart-TV experience via the built-in Roku platform. This TV is limited to a 60 Hz refresh rate (rather than the 120 Hz found on pricier TVs).
Hisense’s U6H Series Google TV checks the right boxes: This series offers the same advanced tech as our top pick and produces a good-looking picture overall. But in our comparative testing, the U6H fell short of our top pick in overall brightness and its ability to show fine shadow details in darker movie scenes. That said, you might prefer this TV to the TCL 5-Series if you’re gaga for Google—and especially if you’d prefer to have Filmmaker Mode, a picture mode tuned for maximum accuracy (and one that the 5-Series lacks). If, however, you want a TV that looks good across a variety of lighting conditions, keep in mind that the Hisense U6H lacks the backlight power to perform its best in a bright room.
What do I watch? A 60" Panasonic Plasma. If you have ever watched a movie on one you know why.
So plasma continues to be the gold standard for video quality? I had a friend buy a plasma TV years ago for $9,000 and that was a discounted price. It was probably a Fujitsu.
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So plasma continues to be the gold standard for video quality?
I think so but the TV has fewer features that some cannot live without. I paid less than $1000 11 years ago.
- The resolution is only 1080p. The Panasonic accepts 2160p and down samples internally. The 2160p picture can still look better than 1080p for technical reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfnpzPVvQAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfnpzPVvQAE)
- No HDR or Dolby Vision but it doesn't need those features because blacks are really true blacks. Plasma TVs powers each sub-pixel individually, so you get a realistic image with a large contrast. If part of the screen has to be dark, the television won't power those sub-pixels anymore. Black is really black. A plasma television displays movements fluently, so the image looks natural.
- Not a Smart TV. I use a high powered computer with all the apps needed for film, streaming, YouTube, PBS streaming, etc. The computer is hardwired via HDMI to an Anthem AVM60 processor for 7.1.4 surround sound.
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Yes, it’s a smart TV. I believe most are nowadays. I am assuming that a good hacker might have the capability to invade my privacy via the internet, microphone or camera …. if there is one. Within reason, I do what I can to protect my privacy.
Uh a smart guy congratulations, surprised to see this superior attitude on a US citizen. Now they whatch the average joe on the phone, car GPS, TV, desktop PC and streets cameras. As far as Im concerned I dont watch TV more than 20 years and can say my concentration and reasoning increased, I definitely dont want put movie images in my mind, dont want to be brainwashed by films and news pgms that are more than biased IMO. Among the most foolish things I could do are buy a car and watch TV.
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I think so but the TV has fewer features that some cannot live without. I paid less than $1000 11 years ago.
- The resolution is only 1080p. The Panasonic accepts 2160p and down samples internally. The 2160p picture can still look better than 1080p for technical reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfnpzPVvQAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfnpzPVvQAE)
- No HDR or Dolby Vision but it doesn't need those features because blacks are really true blacks. Plasma TVs powers each sub-pixel individually, so you get a realistic image with a large contrast. If part of the screen has to be dark, the television won't power those sub-pixels anymore. Black is really black. A plasma television displays movements fluently, so the image looks natural.
- Not a Smart TV. I use a high powered computer with all the apps needed for film, streaming, YouTube, PBS streaming, etc. The computer is hardwired via HDMI to an Anthem AVM60 processor for 7.1.4 surround sound.
The newer OLED tv’s finally surpass the best plasma tv’s.
Plus the higher resolutions and HDR really make a very big difference.
My Panny plasma is collecting dust…
George
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I think so but the TV has fewer features that some cannot live without. I paid less than $1000 11 years ago.
- The resolution is only 1080p. The Panasonic accepts 2160p and down samples internally. The 2160p picture can still look better than 1080p for technical reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfnpzPVvQAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfnpzPVvQAE)
- No HDR or Dolby Vision but it doesn't need those features because blacks are really true blacks. Plasma TVs powers each sub-pixel individually, so you get a realistic image with a large contrast. If part of the screen has to be dark, the television won't power those sub-pixels anymore. Black is really black. A plasma television displays movements fluently, so the image looks natural.
- Not a Smart TV. I use a high powered computer with all the apps needed for film, streaming, YouTube, PBS streaming, etc. The computer is hardwired via HDMI to an Anthem AVM60 processor for 7.1.4 surround sound.
I still love my Pioneer Kuro plasma (purchased 2008). Every time I watch a movie it leaves me with no desire to “upgrade” it. :thumb: