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audioengr

Overdrive USB DAC updates
« on: 19 Aug 2008, 01:31 AM »
The Overdrive USB DAC is coming along nicely.  The first revision circuit board is being fabricated and I should have a pile of them mid-week.  The USB module that is used on it is already in production at a contract assembler.  Still procuring some parts for the Overdrive.  Very eager to get one built and listen to it.  New chassis are on order too for it.  Front and back panels are design complete and ready to be ordered.

My plan is to try it first with three wall-warts driving the DC input connector directly.  Then I will try three wall-warts driving a filtering section and then the DAC.  Finally, I will design a same-size chassis battery supply using three sets of LI batteries and chargers.  This will have IEC inlet.

The base unit will be offered with either three wall-warts or three wall warts and a filtering chassis with umbilical.  May also put some regulation in the chassis and start with 18VDC rather than 12VDC.

I plan to offer the base Overdrive DAC with only one option:  Superclock4 for the USB module clocking.  The battery power supply can of course be combined with the base unit.

A second fully hot-rodded Overdrive will also be available with:

1) point-to-point internal wiring
2) Superclock4 for USB clocking
3) upgraded signal coupling caps
4) Black Gates for power decoupling

I had planned to debut the Overdrive at RMAF, but not sure now.  My room partner has opted out, so the only way I will go is if he can get a room last-minute.  Not likely at this point.

This will give me more time and money anyway to get the Overdrive and two other new products finished and into production.  These products will replace all of my mods.  Planning to stop modding by end of year.

Overdrive features:

Inputs:
1) USB
2) I2S
3) S/PDIF coax
4) DC power

Outputs:
1) RCA left and right channel single-ended
2) XLR left and right channel balanced - fully balanced from the D/A

Front-panel Controls:
1) manual volume knob
2) input select toggle
3) digital filter select (3) toggle
4) volume/line-level select toggle
5) Deemphasis toggle

The outputs are high-drive, so it can drive headphones directly.

The XLR and RCA outs are not independent, so only one set should be used at a time.

Analog signal path is super simple: 

op-amp I/V -> Transistor driver -> coupling cap -> 30 ohm resistor

There are no resistors in the signal path, except the output series resistor, which is necessary for transmission-line effects.  All Class-A operation and fully balanced from D/A chip out, 4 separate signal paths.

The volume control has 3 profile settings and 3 max amplitude settings via internal jumpers.  This volume method is unlike any other ever tried in a DAC or preamp.  It does not change in any way the resolution nor does it insert any devices, active or passive, into the analog signal path.  It is just like driving your amps directly from the line-out.  The prototype that I have mocked-up has unprecedented clarity.  Better than any preamp I have heard, even my own modded ones.

A waiting list has been established and there are a few customers on it already.  Not taking orders or payments quite yet.

Steve N.
« Last Edit: 15 Feb 2009, 08:17 PM by audioengr »
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cryoparts

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #1 on: 19 Aug 2008, 01:42 AM »
I had planned to debut the Overdrive at RMAF, but not sure now.  My room partner has opted out, so the only way I will go is if he can get a room last-minute.  Not likely at this point.

Bummer.  Someone would be fortunate indeed to have your gear as their source at RMAF.  Maybe Duke from AudioKinesis needs a front end.

Peace,

Lee
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #2 on: 19 Aug 2008, 01:54 AM »
I had planned to debut the Overdrive at RMAF, but not sure now.  My room partner has opted out, so the only way I will go is if he can get a room last-minute.  Not likely at this point.

Bummer.  Someone would be fortunate indeed to have your gear as their source at RMAF.  Maybe Duke from AudioKinesis needs a front end.

Peace,

Lee

Actually I was planning to send Chris of BPT an Off-Ramp for RMAF again this year, but I may just send him an Overdrive DAC instead.  I am already listed on his room there.

I dont know Duke...


Steve N.
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #3 on: 22 Aug 2008, 01:00 AM »
Printed Circuit boards received today and I'm assembling the first Overdrive DAC.  Should have something running by Monday.

Steve N.
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cryoparts

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #4 on: 22 Aug 2008, 03:11 AM »
I had planned to debut the Overdrive at RMAF, but not sure now.  My room partner has opted out, so the only way I will go is if he can get a room last-minute.  Not likely at this point.

Bummer.  Someone would be fortunate indeed to have your gear as their source at RMAF.  Maybe Duke from AudioKinesis needs a front end.

Peace,

Lee

Steve,

One of the nicest guys you will ever meet who happens to build some pretty great speakers.  He owns AudioKinesis.  Contact me offline if you'd like an introduction.

Peace,

Lee
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oris98

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #5 on: 22 Aug 2008, 08:34 AM »
Hi Steve,

What kind of price range are you talking about for the new Overdrive ?  What option do I get if I want to drive it with I2S with SB3 ?  I assume it will sound better than your DAC1 Turbo Modd with all otpions loaded ?  Thanks.
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #6 on: 22 Aug 2008, 05:31 PM »
Hi Steve,

What kind of price range are you talking about for the new Overdrive ?  What option do I get if I want to drive it with I2S with SB3 ?  I assume it will sound better than your DAC1 Turbo Modd with all otpions loaded ?  Thanks.

The base unit target price is $2K, but it depends on all the costs - assembly, parts, testing, PC board etc..  The first batch of bare PC boards were expensive, almost $60 each, and the excellent coupling caps are around $350 my cost.

The Overdrive comes standard with I2S input, so no options required to drive it with Pace-Car.

The standard Overdrive will definitely sound better than the maxed-out Benchmark DAC-1, and the volume control crushes the Benchmark.  IMO, the hot-rodded version of the Overdrive will be the one to beat, particularly with battery supply.

Steve N.
« Last Edit: 24 Aug 2008, 05:04 AM by audioengr »
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JDUBS

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #7 on: 24 Aug 2008, 04:40 AM »
Steve, would an analog input be possible?  Could then be a full function DAC / preamp combo. 

-Jim
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #8 on: 24 Aug 2008, 04:59 AM »
Steve, would an analog input be possible?  Could then be a full function DAC / preamp combo. 

-Jim

No, analog inputs are not supported, besides the DAC is absolutely packed with electronics and analog inputs are not supported by the volume control technology.  It is partially digital and partially analog.  The backpanel is completely full of connectors too.

Steve N.
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JDUBS

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #9 on: 25 Aug 2008, 03:13 AM »
Steve, would an analog input be possible?  Could then be a full function DAC / preamp combo. 

-Jim

No, analog inputs are not supported, besides the DAC is absolutely packed with electronics and analog inputs are not supported by the volume control technology.  It is partially digital and partially analog.  The backpanel is completely full of connectors too.

Steve N.

Fair enough, Steve.  I'm pretty much all digital so no biggie for me...just curious.

I think this will be a GREAT product!

-Jim
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #10 on: 25 Aug 2008, 05:07 AM »
If the other parts come tomorrow, I'll be powering on the first proto.

I have been thinking about doing a follow-on A/D converter that could be used for ripping LP's or drive the Overdrive directly to play LP's digitally.  This would be sort of like an analog input.

Not decided whether I will pursue this first or a Digital Amp to go with the Overdrive.  I would like to provide solutions for DAC/Pre/Amp.  In any case, it's a 2009 project.

Steve N.
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Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #11 on: 25 Aug 2008, 08:53 AM »
Steve.

You mentioned the usb input has a superclock. Do you mind me clarifying if this is set up like a pacecar, or an offramp?

I'm asking this because if you plug the "Overdrive" straight into your computer, I'm assuming you don't have to get Empirical to "tune" it.....ie it's clocking the usb output like a pacecar....in other words you just leave your computer midi set at 24/96....and it's clocked at that.

That being the case, this product will be amazing Steve. Computer clocked via USB, Sonos/Squeezbox/whatever clocked via pacecar into I2S. What I'm also really excited about is the volume control. The ability to set the midi/itunes volume to max and then alter volume on the DAC, without altering the signal path...all without having the complexity of a preamp...Can all this be true??!!!. If so, I think you've got this product set up just right.....Awesome.....AB
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #12 on: 25 Aug 2008, 05:41 PM »
Steve.

You mentioned the usb input has a superclock. Do you mind me clarifying if this is set up like a pacecar, or an offramp?

I'm asking this because if you plug the "Overdrive" straight into your computer, I'm assuming you don't have to get Empirical to "tune" it.....ie it's clocking the usb output like a pacecar....in other words you just leave your computer midi set at 24/96....and it's clocked at that.

The USB input on the Overdrive is just like an Off-Ramp, in fact it uses the same USB module that the new version of Off-Ramp, the Off-Ramp 3 will use.  No tuning of anything necessary.

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That being the case, this product will be amazing Steve. Computer clocked via USB, Sonos/Squeezbox/whatever clocked via pacecar into I2S. What I'm also really excited about is the volume control. The ability to set the midi/itunes volume to max and then alter volume on the DAC, without altering the signal path...all without having the complexity of a preamp...Can all this be true??!!!.


All True.  Since the volume control is manual on the Overdrive, I suggest setting a max level with quiet tracks on the DAC and then use the digital volume on the PC or Mac to reduce it just a little for really loud tracks.  this way you can control the volume without getting up and without reducing the resolution.  Since the USB is 24/44.1, the extra bits allow adjustment without changing the resolution.

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If so, I think you've got this product set up just right.....Awesome.....AB

I'm excited too.  No more sitting over solder fumes at the bench all day for me.  And I can promise much shorter lead-times.  Aside from the audio quality, these are two BIG benefits of doing this, reduce the backlog and increase my lifespan... :thumb:

Steve N.
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Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #13 on: 25 Aug 2008, 10:32 PM »
Steve...

Will the USB<->Overdrive connection be able to handle 24/192 if an OSX upgrade ever comes along that pushes file handling from 96 to 192?...or are all computer USB ports limited to handling 24/96? I guess what I am asking is, as more new music recordings are released in original 24/188.2, or 24/192 format, what path do you see future computer upgrades taking, in order to play these files properly (assuming you have enough processor/memory grunt to handle these 5Gb something files...)

a/ upgrading the usb<->"overdrive" interface...or
b/ adding in a 24/192 midi card like the LynxAES16e and clocking that with a pacecar?

Steve, I don't see this as a huge problem right now cause the available music in this "super high definition" is extremely limited at present (I can only find around a dozen tracks!..so really this remains in the world of audioengineering samplers at the moment), but just asking in order to plan for future....AB
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #14 on: 26 Aug 2008, 01:28 AM »
Steve...

Will the USB<->Overdrive connection be able to handle 24/192 if an OSX upgrade ever comes along that pushes file handling from 96 to 192?...or are all computer USB ports limited to handling 24/96? I guess what I am asking is, as more new music recordings are released in original 24/188.2, or 24/192 format, what path do you see future computer upgrades taking, in order to play these files properly (assuming you have enough processor/memory grunt to handle these 5Gb something files...)

As a matter of fact, since the USB input on the Overdrive DAC is a removable module, it can be customer upgraded when new technologies come out.  Hopefully TI will make some new chips in the near future and Windows and Mac will support these on USB 2.0. When this happens, I will make a new module available.  My OEM customers will also want this new module.

You can use a Lynx card right now with word-clock input and a Pace-Car to feed the Overdrive DAC at 24/192.

Steve N.
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Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #15 on: 26 Aug 2008, 06:40 AM »
This is totally unreal!

What more could anyone ask from a sound technology company in such a rapidly developing field?

I hope this product "goes off" for Empirical, Steve....you deserve it!

AB
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #16 on: 30 Aug 2008, 05:00 AM »
8/29/08 update

The first prototype Overdrive is powered-on and analog is coming out when driven from the USB input.  Still need to optimize the levels for line and volume, but they are both working.  Things get fairly hot in there due to lots of Class-A operation.  May have to increase the size of two heatsinks.  The chassis will have ventilation holes in the front and back panels.

Several changes were needed to the first board, so I am designing the rev. 2.0 version.  It's rare to get a rev 1.0 right, so this was expected.

The signals look extremely clean and noise-free.  The sine-wave and the square-wave test signals are text-book perfect. No digital noise detected in the analog outs, at least nothing measurable over the background noise level of my scope.  Comparing it to the modded Benchmark, same signals, there is major difference.  I am powering it now from three 12VDC wall-warts with some pre-filtering before the DC connector. I made an adapter cable that allows me to plug three wall warts into the cable that has a single connector into the back of the DAC.

As soon as I have adjusted the levels, I will add the coupling caps, take a photo and post it here.  I will also obviously do some listening tests.  The first version has a know distortion (THD) issue that is fixed in rev 2.0, but I dont think it will be too noticable, particularly with volume output.  I am eager to hear it anyway.

Steve N.
« Last Edit: 30 Aug 2008, 05:21 PM by audioengr »
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audioengr

Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #17 on: 1 Sep 2008, 05:38 AM »
Listening tests with volume control only - the line-out is not quite ready yet:

After 1 day of break-in listening with USB input and no Superclock, the detail is the best I have heard in any DAC.  Still a bit compressed due to limited break-in, but getting better every day.  Good bass.  Lots of air around the vocalists and instruments.  The 3-position digital filter switch is proving very useful.

I installed a Superclock4 today, so it is bad again until a few days of break-in.

Here is a photo of the first Overdrive board I'm running:



You can see the Superclock4 connected by coax to the USB module.  The output coupling caps are V-Cap oils bypassed with my own Proprietary teflon caps, 4-channels - fully balanced to the XLR connectors.  Also, see the 5-pin Neutrik connector for DC power on the back.  This is the same high-current type connector used for flash units in professional photo studios.  Three 12VDC supplies and two ground returns come through this connector.

Steve N.
« Last Edit: 1 Sep 2008, 05:31 PM by audioengr »
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Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #18 on: 2 Sep 2008, 06:04 PM »
Good to see those fine "V" caps scattered about... :drool:
Phil
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Re: Overdrive USB DAC updates - formerly Daytona
« Reply #19 on: 9 Sep 2008, 03:46 AM »
Hi Steve.  Cool sounding product.  It's been a while since I've been on this board.  Does the Overdrive replace the F1?
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