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earlmarc

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Dussun V8i Integrated Amplifier
« on: 21 Jun 2006, 09:14 PM »
One day while surfing through Audiogon, under the amplifier category, I came across a featured ad from the High End Palace: "When Only The Best Will Do".  I thought to myself, everything they sale is probably way too high for my pockets. I clicked the featured link and strolled down to "High End Item Of The Week" which featured this wonderful looking amplifier: http://www.highendpalace.com/. Dussun V8i Integrated Amplifier, introductory price of $1600. Wow, seems like alot of amplifier for the money! I got excited and called Larry at the High End Palace to find out more about the Dussun V8i. Larry exuded great confindence and pride about V8i. He stated that for years he had been searching for a product like the Dussun. A product that offered true highend pedigree at a surprisingly affordable price. He further stated that in his 25 years in high end audio, he had never ran across a product with the build and sonic qualities of the Dussun at its $1600.00 pricing. "Well Larry", I said, "How good is it?" He explained that it is easily the best amplifier he's heard under $5000.00. "Keep in mind", he said, "I get solicited everyday by audio companies to carry their products, and I turn down 70% of them. I have high standards and I'm very picky about what I carry. If a product wins me over, it has to be special. The Dussun V8i is special!"


After my discussion with Larry, I decided to start a thread here on audiocircle which led to another discussion with Ping of AAA Audio, the US distributor for Dussun. Ping informed me that Dussun was the OEM for Mark Levinson's brand: Red Rose. He equated Dussun as Toyota and Red Rose as Lexus. The Toyota/Lexus comparison, however, isn't quite on par with the Dussun/Red Rose comaprison. The similar offering from Red Rose, the Affirmation Integrated Amplifier Retails For $7000. Nearly 5 times the price of the Dussun V8i. There certainly isn't a 5 times difference between a Toyota Camry  and a Lexus ES 330. Toyota Camry XLE retails at approximately $26,000 and the Lexus ES 330 for about $34,000. He offered me a thirty day trial with the Dussun V8i.


Review to follow.
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BradJudy

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« Reply #1 on: 21 Jun 2006, 09:58 PM »
For reference, I believe Dussun and Korsun are the same company, so some might be familiar with this product as the Korsun V8i.
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earlmarc

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« Reply #2 on: 22 Jun 2006, 01:20 AM »
Dussun and Korsun are not the same company. Mr. Zou Yuan founded Dussun. Dussun is a small one man operation. Mr. Zou Yuan was formerly the chief engineer for Korsun.
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marvda1

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« Reply #3 on: 22 Jun 2006, 02:04 AM »
so are the two 8vi's the same amp? are is one better than the other?
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earlmarc

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« Reply #4 on: 22 Jun 2006, 02:43 AM »
My understaning is that the Korsun amplifier is similar to the Dussun. However, after Mr. Yuan left Korsun and founded Dussun, he improved the quality and sound of his offering.
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« Reply #5 on: 22 Jun 2006, 02:46 AM »
I arrived home early from work and to my surprise noticed a large brown box at the top of the stairs. I quickly noticed the blue lettering on the box. The Dussun V8i had arrived. I had several important errands to run before getting into the box. I speed off in my car to complete the errands. I was back in a flash. I went straight to the kitchen and grabbed a knife. Got the box opened and strained to lift the amplifier out of the box. Nice! and Heavy! Bigger than I imagined. I lifted the amplifier onto my amp. stand and admired it for a few minutes. All this for $1600. Wow! Here are some pictures of the V8i: http://www.dussun.com/chinese/product/products/v8i_front_big.jpg and http://www.dussun.com/chinese/product/products/v8i_back_big.jpg and http://www.dussun.com/chinese/product/products/v8i_side_big.jpg The amplifier is more impressive in front of you.

I connected the amplifier to my Sound Application XE-12 power conditioner with a 6ft. Black Sand Silver Ref. power cord. I removed a set of the protective black caps from one pair of the RCA jacks and noticed the fine quality connecters. I then connected my SilverFi Elixir interconnects from the Dussun to my Pioneer PDR609 CD recorder and started breaking in the amplifier.

Before posting a full review, I am waiting to receive my TRL Sony DVP-NS900V/Battery Powered CD player and some Jena Labs Jumpers in place of the iron core jumpers used for the amp and preamp outputs. Tvad brought out already that the RCA connectors used for the  amp/preramp outs are not the same quality as the stereo RCA connectors. I hope that Dussun addresses this and offers the same quality RCAs for the amp/preamp outs.

Stay Tuned.
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« Reply #6 on: 22 Jun 2006, 03:01 AM »
Ok Tvad. Next post you will get the full dose. :dance:
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« Reply #7 on: 24 Jun 2006, 03:19 PM »
Any further updates guys?

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Carlman

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« Reply #8 on: 24 Jun 2006, 04:40 PM »
Could it be the next DK Design?  :lol:
The whole red rose/Levinson/intro price thing really makes me skeptical of this 'amp du jour'.
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« Reply #9 on: 24 Jun 2006, 05:11 PM »
The ability of a component to mimic the closeness of a live event are standards we use to judge. Our perception of this ability varies dependent on our experiences with different components and our exposure to live events. Defining what makes something more real is subjective at best and very difficult to do. Objectivity is a more precise measurement but fails to describe emotional appeal. All to often when reading reviews, I see the same verbage used to describe sound. It seems at times that everything sounds the same. The truth lies wrapped inside a mixed bag of emotions. How dependable are the expressions these emotions induce? I don't think we can adequately acertain the validity of emotional expressions. Credibility of past expressions becomes a more important tool for deciding whether or not an impression is a good one.


All of this leads to my attempt to share my emotional attachment to the Dussun V8i Integrated Amplifier. I will skip the objectivity. Pictures and specs can be found on the previous post. I will say this much, the V8i is a handsome piece of equipment with exceptional build quality. The type of build quality and craftmanship you expect to see in components 3-4 times its $1600 price point.

Certain things about a component's sound grabs you and suprises you. That something with the V8i was its midrange expression. Open, wide, detailed, airy, with excellent image texture and density. Now comes the hard part. How does this midrange differ? The degree of difference between the V8i's midrange and say the Odyssey Khartago Mono Extremes, or the Belles Ref. 350A, or any other good solid-state amplifier. That depends on whether the reader has heard the other amplifiers. There is no guarantee that the reader has. So I must rely more on describing the V8i as it compares to the live event. Since no component to my knowledge can reproduce the exact replica of a live event, the V8i falls short too in this regard. Can a component protray the kind of musicality that evokes the senses into believing that the experience is like a live event? Definately! Is the V8i that kind of component? It certainly is! The V8i's midrange is transparent, it reaches into the soundstage and cleans around performers on stage. Revealing subtle textures and image density with a natural tonality. The background is thus devoid of nasties and silent. Its attempt at the real is successful in its midrange. Its degree of success on my scale is an 8.

The next attribute of the V8i's performance that surprised me was its seemingly limitless control of the lower regions of sound. The V8i cruises with a firm grip on the woofers. The ride is smooth, but when the music taps the gas, it takes off in control. Not wildly. As the volume increases, it opens up full throttle,  joltting you back against your listening chair. The exhaust sounds sweet. The depth of stage is full and wide with great presence. The presence of being there. Lower bass has good attack, solidity, and tonal correctness. No bloating or losseness. Impact is chest felt. It speeds up the heart. The V8i model would fit the model of a car. A 8 cylinder power horse from the likes of BMW. Its degree of success in the lower region of sound is a solid 9 on my scale.

The last attribute of V8i's performance that also is very good is its high frequency extension. I personally feel that this is one of the hardest areas for a component to portray the live event. High frequency sounds in a live event extend high into the air and carry notes to the height of rise and the fall of natrual decay. In my experience most components can't reach the height of a live event, and those that do, don't release the high notes through the process of natural decay. The V8i reaches very well with its height, not all the way out, but very good nonetheless. It offers very good natural decay. It follows notes as they decay and releases naturally. It doesn't quite have the rise and airy, natural decay you find with the best tube and solid-state designs. The key here is that it is expressive extension with a natural decay. A  7 on my scale in its degree compared to the natural event.

I've experienced some excellent products within the last year and I have liked most of them. They all offered a different flavor compared to the live event. The Dussun V8i is at the top of my list for amplifiers under $5000 thus far. A remarkable product at an unbievable price!
 
Part two of the review I will be using the New SAS Audio Labs 11A preamplifer with the V8i. The above was using the V8i integrated as an integrated only.
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« Reply #10 on: 2 Jul 2006, 11:25 PM »
I have been using the SAS Audio Labs 10A on the preamp outs on the Dussun V8i off and on for several weeks now. In short, the preamplifier section of the V8i is excellent. The only thing the 10A offered was a little smoothness and texture. I felt that the preamp section of the V8i had better extension. Really, I see no need for an external preamplifier unless your willing to spend double the price or more of the V8i for a preamplifier that gives better preamp performance.
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« Reply #11 on: 3 Jul 2006, 12:06 AM »
... Really, I see no need for an external preamplifier unless your willing to spend double the price or more of the V8i for a preamplifier that gives better preamp performance.
Was this with the supplied links for the Dussun or with other links. If so, what links and how much were they?
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« Reply #12 on: 3 Jul 2006, 12:18 AM »
Occam wrote:
... Really, I see no need for an external preamplifier unless your willing to spend double the price or more of the V8i for a preamplifier that gives better preamp performance.
Was this with the supplied links for the Dussun or with other links. If so, what links and how much were they?

Occam, I am still waiting on the Jena Labs jumpers which sale for $65.00 delivered. They are four inches long with three strands of Jena's 18ga cable and are terminted with Cardas Rhodium connecters. During the review I used SilverFi 1m pair of Phrygian IC's as links. They retail for $249.00
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« Reply #13 on: 3 Jul 2006, 12:40 AM »

Well Tvad, maybe. I'm not using the digital source I hoped to be using. I expected the TRL Sony player to have been here by now. But my point is unless you're willing to spend the kind of money the Lamm offers, the Dussun as a integrated with good jumpers does very well on its own.
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« Reply #14 on: 3 Jul 2006, 12:47 AM »
tvad4....Will you be posting your comments on the Dussun ? And...Eric...think he's trying one as well. Thanks... :D
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« Reply #15 on: 3 Jul 2006, 01:05 AM »
Thanks for your comments tvad4 ..... :D
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« Reply #16 on: 3 Jul 2006, 02:20 AM »
 Issue 160 of BFS, Martin DeWulf states:

Martin DeWulf has auditioned and reviewed pre's such as Paller, Aloia, Refernce Line, deHaviland, Herron, Placette, Joule, CTC, Metaxas, Counterpoint, BAT, AudioPrism, and many others.

"After all, over the years I have done preamp transparency testing by inserting a second active preamp into the Big Rig to see what impact the second preamp would have on the sound of a regular system. It's never worked out all that well. On every occasion that I tried adding a second preamp to the signal chain, the music simply wasn't as dynamically free or as transparent as it had been before. (subscript 3)

"(3) The only active preamp that nearly pulled such a stunt off was the SAS 10A."

This confirms my findings from exhaustive testing, that the 10A is very close to neutral and accurate.

Martin has used as low as 10k amp input Z (Pass X-250 amp) with seemingly no detrimental effects.












« Last Edit: 4 Jul 2006, 11:25 AM by Steve »
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JAMn Joe

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« Reply #17 on: 3 Jul 2006, 03:17 AM »
I had a chance on Saturday to audition the Dussun with Eric. He brought the unit over and we tested it in a variety of configurations. First off I would like to say that this is an excellent piece of equipment at the $1600.00 price point. One of the best integrated amps I've heard for this kind of money.

Our testing included using a preamp and using the internal passive amp. We where using the H-Cat preamp in front of the Dussun and it made very good music all though the upper end came across fairly hot. The H-Cat is solid state and you know what they say about too much of a good thing. Once we tested it with the preamp we went direct using the internal preamp, this toned things down somewhat but we still had to switch out from silver IC's to copper to tame things down enough for it not to be irritating.

If I where to own this amp I would be pairing it with a warmer tube preamp to balance out the presentation or I would use a warmer IC and use the internal passive pre which is pretty good on it's own.

I will say that the amp is much better with an external preamp. A good external pre really shows what a bargain this unit is. I would not say this is as good as some of the better $3000 amps I've heard and I would argue that the Belles amps and preamp really are better than this unit. But that doesn't diminish what a great integrated this is at $1600.

For those of you that own ACI speakers I would highly recommend checking out this unit. I think it may be a perfect match with these speakers providing just the right balance to get the most out of both units. For those of you with more revealing systems, be prepared to have to do some matching up to counter the hotter high-end.

Again, this is a great unit for its price and what it does but it's not going to replace my higher end systems anytime soon. It might end up being my center stage piece for an entry level high quality system though. I think I might be talking to ping this week. I would have no reservations recommending this unit for the right system with the right associated equipment.

Joe
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« Reply #18 on: 3 Jul 2006, 03:47 AM »
....Our testing included using a preamp and using the internal passive amp. We where using the H-Cat preamp in front of the Dussun and it made very good music all though the upper end came across fairly hot. The H-Cat is solid state and you know what they say about too much of a good thing. Once we tested it with the preamp we went direct using the internal preamp, this toned things down somewhat but we still had to switch out from silver IC's to copper to tame things down enough for it not to be irritating.

If I where to own this amp I would be pairing it with a warmer tube preamp to balance out the presentation or I would use a warmer IC and use the internal passive pre which is pretty good on it's own....
Joe
I don't think the pre is passive.
http://www.dussun.com/english/v8.html
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Specifications:Preamplifier
Input Impedance:47KΩ
Voltage Gain: 9.5dB±0.5dB....
Its certainly reasonable to evaluate with the supplied links, but those solid metal links as typically supplied with NADs, Creeks, etc... really do suck.
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JAMn Joe

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« Reply #19 on: 3 Jul 2006, 01:33 PM »
Hi Occam,

I stand corrected, that's what you get for assuming :oops: I never did go to there web-site. That being said, the preamp section is still OK but it's not in the same class as a Belle, SAS, Modwright preamp and certainly doesn't attain the level of the H-Cat or a Herron but then I wouldn't expect a $1600 integrated to do that. It would be nice and it comes close in some things but not straight across the board.

I agree, having better jumpers would probably improve this units preamp to a degree but we didn't have time to mess around with trying some interconnects on it. As I said, I liked it enough that I'm going to talk to Ping this week about bringing on the line. If I get it and bring one in then I'll be trying some new jumpers.

Thanks for the correction!

Joe
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