Wellcome a 'new guy' and about Timepiece vs Continuum

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mixsit

Hello to the forum. I'm a long-time home studio operator and music lover about 'this close to jumping on a set of Continuums. (not 2.5's -too much $.)
My goal is one great true' set for mixing, plus enough extra headroom for all of the other duties (fun and work) that include clean and loud. Accuracy is primary #1. I'm shooting for as much of all of this as I can afford. (Naturally, who doesn't? :wink: )
First is easiest, what are the dimensions on the Continuum?
Second for anyone who has heard both, I have followed a very excellent review from a mastering engineer that indicates the Timepiece as an incredibly accurate and suitable speaker system for these applications and goals (highly neutral and high headroom being job #1), and that they may equal (or at a minimum, better' in the accuracy dept) many if not most of the 'Pro systems out there anywhere near this price range. (The B&W Nautilus' range is another example of a HiFi' system that has crossed over in some high-end studios and mastering.)
I'm just wondering if there are any notable sonic differences between it and the Continuum. I'm aware of the slight reduction in vertical dispersion and hence, likely some change in the room power response, and the slightly higher bass roll-off.
Thank you in advance.
Wayne Smith
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« Reply #1 on: 3 Dec 2005, 05:50 pm »
mixsit,


Welcome to our forum!  I dropped the ball on this one.  I was on the circle several times yesterday and never saw your posting.  Please accept my apology - I wasn't ignoring you.

If you like it loud and/or wide dynamics - that's us - in spades.  I've run the "little" Timepiece with a 750WPC into 8-ohms, Crown Macro-Reference wherein the amp was clipping once every 2 or 3 seconds - without a hint of fatigue from the speaker - that's over 1,060 watts peak!  Now, that was on relatively wide dynamic range jazz material so the peaks were up there with respect to the average power.  

We tried that same level with some highly compressed heavy metal and although they sounded incredible, we were no longer clipping the amp and after a while, I started smelling baking enamel coming from the voice-coils of the woofers.  Needless to say, we shut it down right away, but nevertheless, the woofers didn't fail.  Another 10 seconds or so and that may not have been the story though.

In that instance, since there were virtually no dynamics, we were dumping large amounts of raw power into that one little woofer so it's no surprise they got hot.  Still, the volume was incredible and the customer that was with us stated that he'd never heard anything like it in his life.

Now, just translate that to the 3dB more power handling you get from the extra woofer in the Continuums, and that should give you a pretty good idea what they will do.  Get out'a Dodge man, you just can't play them as loud as they can handle in anything resembling a normal room - even a big one.

The Continuum A.D. MKII is 30.75"H X 12.5"W X 15.75"D.  Be watching AC here in the next few days, there will be a review from a new owner of the Continuum A.D.'s.  I think you'll be impressed.  Then there's the Positive Feedback Online review with a link posted here on our circle of the Continuum 2.5's, which are essentially the same as the A.D.'s except for bottom octave bass extension - which I don't think you want or need.  It's an "audiophile" review but it should give you some idea about their sound capabilities.

There's an interesting development taking place with regards to accuracy, resolution and detail...at least as far as we are concerned.  There's the view that "accurate" speakers sound harsh and excessively detailed.  We are finding that this is true only because the claimed accuracy of such products is not actually realized.  

Yes, they may have a flat frequency response, high power handling ability and even controlled directivity, but what about their real distortion levels?  Specifically, what is the distortion at higher frequencies?  High frequency distortion is harder to measure to begin with and even harder to do anything about.  Pro Sound's solution has virtually almost always been to use compression driver/horn devices.  The problem is, those devices trade excursion limited diaphragm distortion for air non-linearity.  Although they are extremely efficient, distortion levels increase as frequency increases because the compression ratios are so high that the air itself cannot handle it.  It literally becomes non-linear and produces harmonic distortion even though the diaphragm is not distorting.  That’s why horns usually sound somewhat "harsh" at high frequencies.

Our waveguides operate at compression ratios that lie between those of a standard baffle mounted tweeter and that of compression drivers.  The tweeter is completely unloaded from the waveguide above 5 kHz so it doesn't benefit from any acoustic gain from the waveguide from there on up.  Hence, it doesn't suffer from the high compression ratio air non-linearity effect as horns do either, but then the system's distortion becomes totally dependant on the performance of the tweeter's diaphragm itself.  That's why we have to use a really good tweeter to start with.

The combined effect is a very "soft" sounding high end that doesn't exhibit that "aggressive" quality most associate with highly "accurate" speakers.  The upshot is that high accuracy is not aggressive sounding or excessively detailed.  Those artifacts are actually the result of insufficient accuracy.  If you raise the accuracy bar high enough, everything sounds more musical and pleasing to the ear while retaining all the detail and resolution.  At first exposure to this level of sound though, most folks that are expecting our products to be highly accurate and possessing that analytical presentation are somewhat knocked off balance.  After listening for a while and letting the speakers break-in, one discovers all the detail is there - it's just not exaggerated.  We're talking paradigm shift in expectations here.  In many ways, our designs do represent something totally new to the industry.  Our slogan is "the new Reference for the new Millennium."  I think as time passes many will come to realize...it's not just a slogan.

Welcome aboard! :D

-Bob

mixsit

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« Reply #2 on: 4 Dec 2005, 09:05 pm »
Well I certainly did (and do) not feel ignored. No worries. Besides, it wasn't my intention to pull you away from (what may be :nono: ) your more important job(s).  :wink:
Hopefully someone will still chime in on Timepiece vs Continuum.
(If I could just figure out how to get East a bit, say as far as Boulder... :roll:

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« Reply #3 on: 4 Dec 2005, 10:28 pm »
Reefrus & Tweekgeek...

Where are you!

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« Reply #4 on: 4 Dec 2005, 11:21 pm »
Quote from: mixsit
Well I certainly did (and do) not feel ignored. No worries. Besides, it wasn't my intention to pull you away from (what may be :nono: ) your more important job(s).  :wink:
Hopefully someone will still chime in on Timepiece vs Continuum.
(If I could just figure out how to get East a bit, say as far as Boulder... :roll:


Well, the truth is that both are great speakers and both would probably meet your requirements.

They are more equal to eachother than not :) The continuums will give you more efficency and (at least in theory) lower intermodulation distortion at higher SPL.

The Continuums will move more air and give you more smack in the chest, and they will be able to play very loud in a very big room. That being said, I did do a demo in a miniature concert hall with the Timepieces, which went pretty well.

I'm not sure if this made you much wiser, but I don't think there is an universal answer to your questions.

Brg,
Karsten

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« Reply #5 on: 31 Jan 2006, 10:34 pm »
Mixsit,

Congratulations on your new speakers! What can I say but enjoy and welcome to the club :)


Brg,
Karsten

mixsit

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« Reply #6 on: 1 Feb 2006, 05:40 am »
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Mixsit,

Congratulations on your new speakers! What can I say but enjoy and welcome to the club :)


Brg,
Karsten

What, you know something I don't? :roll:

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« Reply #7 on: 1 Feb 2006, 06:52 am »
We listened to Time Piece 2.1 today at our lab (the pair is for our Taiwan distributor) for the first time. Wow!
Not only that it is very accurate, the bass is awesome. The bass was so low that it viabrates the light fixture on the ceiling! We have tried a few pairs of speakers before at the same location and none was able to do that (we don't have subwoofer here)

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« Reply #8 on: 1 Feb 2006, 07:05 am »
Quote from: nuforce-jason
We listened to Time Piece 2.1 today at our lab (the pair is for our Taiwan distributor) for the first time. Wow!
Not only that it is very accurate, the bass is awesome. The bass was so low that it viabrates the light fixture on the ceiling! We have tried a few pairs of speakers before at the same location and none was able to do that (we don't have subwoofer here)
Wow!.....is the perfect description....no sub needed !!!! :rock:

Karsten

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« Reply #9 on: 1 Feb 2006, 08:08 am »
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Quote from: Karsten
Mixsit,

Congratulations on your new speakers! What can I say but enjoy and welcome to the club :)


Brg,
Karsten

What, you know something I don't? :roll:


I was refering to this post ;)

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=25294

Brg,
Karsten

mixsit

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« Reply #10 on: 1 Feb 2006, 04:23 pm »
Wow, ok, somehow I just missed that one.  :) They do look pretty good now. I was sort of coveting some of the fancier finishes but the $bucks were getting up there.
FWIW, the screen are twofold- One of course is to prevent unattended disasters, but also my preconception that in some ways, 'seeing' the speakers might on some level be a distraction, if that makes any sense.
 :wink:
Wayne

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« Reply #11 on: 1 Feb 2006, 07:25 pm »
Quote from: mixsit
Wow, ok, somehow I just missed that one.  :) They do look pretty good now. I was sort of coveting some of the fancier finishes but the $bucks were getting up there.
FWIW, the screen are twofold- One of course is to prevent unattended disasters, but also my preconception that in some ways, 'seeing' the speakers might on some level be a distraction, if that makes any sense.
 :wink:
Wayne


Yes they do look pretty good. Well, just close your eyes and you wont be able to point out where the speakers are, even with out grilles ;)

Brg,
Karsten