LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!

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LARRY KYOTO

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #60 on: 27 Dec 2016, 03:59 am »
Lio stock & Telefunken for me.

Vinnie R.

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #61 on: 27 Dec 2016, 05:05 pm »
As this module has been out for some time now, what are your preffered tubes and why?

Hi mirekti,

As Larry mentioned, it's hard to go wrong with the Telefunken E88CC (Upscale Audio has them new-in-the-box).
Check into the previous posts in this forum... it has been discussed.

Best regards,

Vinnie

jtwrace

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #62 on: 27 Dec 2016, 07:57 pm »
Hi mirekti,

As Larry mentioned, it's hard to go wrong with the Telefunken E88CC (Upscale Audio has them new-in-the-box).
Check into the previous posts in this forum... it has been discussed.

Best regards,

Vinnie
It's what I use too.


https://www.upscaleaudio.com/products/telefunken-e88cc-6922?variant=21828935301


You want Platinum and Cryo options.

mirekti

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #63 on: 27 Dec 2016, 08:47 pm »
Ok, thanks for the replies. I just wondered what each tube brings or takes away.
I will start with the stock tubes for now and roll a bit later after I get to know stock ones beter.
This was already answered before, but it seems I cannot find it on search. Hoe many hours should one expect from the tubes in buffer before they need a replacement?

Vinnie R.

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #64 on: 27 Dec 2016, 08:51 pm »
Ok, thanks for the replies. I just wondered what each tube brings or takes away.
I will start with the stock tubes for now and roll a bit later after I get to know stock ones beter.
This was already answered before, but it seems I cannot find it on search. Hoe many hours should one expect from the tubes in buffer before they need a replacement?

Hi mirekti,

In the LIO's circuit, you can expect thousands of hours on the tubes (5+ years is not out of the ordinary here!)

Vinnie

jtwrace

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #65 on: 27 Dec 2016, 09:14 pm »
Ok, thanks for the replies. I just wondered what each tube brings or takes away.
I will start with the stock tubes for now and roll a bit later after I get to know stock ones beter.
This was already answered before, but it seems I cannot find it on search. Hoe many hours should one expect from the tubes in buffer before they need a replacement?
What state are you in? 

mirekti

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #66 on: 27 Dec 2016, 09:20 pm »

jtwrace

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #67 on: 27 Dec 2016, 09:38 pm »

mirekti

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #68 on: 28 Dec 2016, 12:26 am »
Do you own a LIO already?

It is being built in the factory, will have it in few weeks :)

jtwrace

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #69 on: 28 Dec 2016, 12:31 am »
It is being built in the factory, will have it in few weeks :)
Congrats!  You will be in love.  After you get it and get acclimated to the sound (or lack of) reply back.  Maybe I'll send you my Tele's to try so you don't have to spend $400 off the bat. 

mirekti

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #70 on: 28 Dec 2016, 12:44 am »
Congrats!  You will be in love.  After you get it and get acclimated to the sound (or lack of) reply back.  Maybe I'll send you my Tele's to try so you don't have to spend $400 off the bat.

Thanks a lot for your offer, I appreciate it.
I am curious what Telefunken can bring into the game, but maybe the best route is to stick to the stock tubes for few months first and get to know them well.
Cheers!!!

jtwrace

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #71 on: 28 Dec 2016, 12:57 am »
Thanks a lot for your offer, I appreciate it.
I am curious what Telefunken can bring into the game, but maybe the best route is to stick to the stock tubes for few months first and get to know them well.
Cheers!!!
I was very happy with the stock JJ's.  No doubt about that.  That was until I installed the Tele's.  Game over.   :oops:

LARRY KYOTO

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #72 on: 28 Dec 2016, 06:24 am »
Congrats!  You will be in love.  After you get it and get acclimated to the sound (or lack of) reply back.  Maybe I'll send you my Tele's to try so you don't have to spend $400 off the bat.

Vinnie's legendary customer service continues to inspire customers too...share the LIO love  :dance:

Mitch751

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #73 on: 29 Dec 2016, 02:00 am »
Vinnie's legendary customer service continues to inspire customers too...share the LIO love  :dance:

I have taken almost a year listening to few different tubes, and I rank them as follows :

1. Telefunken E188CC
2. RTC E188CC
3. Gold Aero 6922 EC88
4. Siemens E88CC
5. LIO Stock
6. Mullard E188CC
7. Amperex 6922

Vinnie R.

Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #74 on: 3 Jan 2017, 04:21 pm »
I have taken almost a year listening to few different tubes, and I rank them as follows :

1. Telefunken E188CC
2. RTC E188CC
3. Gold Aero 6922 EC88
4. Siemens E88CC
5. LIO Stock
6. Mullard E188CC
7. Amperex 6922

Hi Mitch751,

Thanks for trying all those tubes and posting your ranking! 

Is this the Telefunken E188CC that you ranked # 1:
https://www.tubedepot.com/products/telefunken-diamond-bottom-e188cc-7308-gold-pin

Have you even tried 1950s Siemens Cca, Amperex Pinched Waist (or 7308 "PQ"), or MiniWatt Dario E188CC?
So many good tubes to try, so little time  :green:


All,

As we have seen with the DHT PRE tube rolling thread - based on your own system and tastes, everyone is going to have different findings with the various tubes and there is no "best" tube in general, but you will find there is a best tube for your tastes
as you listen to different tubes.  Definitely post your findings!  But to newcomers to tube rolling with their LIO, I just want
to point this out.

Also, there are instances where there are different versions of a particular tube.  For example, "Amperex 6922".  There
are many different Amperex 6922s (various production years, production countries, gold pins, white/orange/green label,
etc. etc). 

Have fun and thanks for sharing your experiences,

Vinnie


Mitch751

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #75 on: 4 Jan 2017, 05:22 am »
Hello Vinnie,

What you said is absolutely right.

Yes, this is the Telefunken E188CC that I mentioned, which I bought 30 years ago.

No, I have not tried 1950s Siemens Cca, Amperex Pinched Waist (or 7308 "PQ"), or MiniWatt Dario E188CC.












Mitch751

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Re: LIO AVC/Tubestage combo module - coming August!
« Reply #76 on: Today at 02:43 am »
Ok, finally ordered my first Siemens CCa 60' and have a listen for few days.

My first impression, its sound quality is superb, especially in lower bass and excellent soundstage, and I really love it, so I have ordered another one but made in '50.

If you ask me to make a comparison with Telefunken E188CC, my subjective opinion - I think Telefunken is slightly outperforming, particular on the treble high side, and slightly more airily.

My person taste, I prefer Telefunken for Classical music, and leave the Pop /Rock / Jazz with Seimens CCa