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Target Returns
« on: 8 Mar 2015, 02:25 pm »



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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #1 on: 8 Mar 2015, 03:12 pm »
  Cheeeez for a second there I thought you meant Target Dept Stores ! :duh:: Those stands can be mass loaded with sand or lead shot I believe: :thumb:

rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #2 on: 8 Mar 2015, 03:41 pm »
Never knew they left  :(.. been using Target stands for as long as I’ve been using Bryston…30 years. :thumb:
To me they always went hand in hand.



Current…HR60s (speakers) , AER 3 tier (gear)… and VW1 wall mount for turntable….

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #3 on: 8 Mar 2015, 03:45 pm »
They made great stuff.  I had a couple of their equipment racks at one point, one filled with Target heavy metal pellets and one will lead shot (no I did not A/B them :lol:).  I ended up giving one to my brother and I framed around one in the old house and left it in the basement.

rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #4 on: 8 Mar 2015, 03:57 pm »
................ Those stands can be mass loaded with sand or lead shot I believe: :thumb:

Actually a mixture of both works best...... :D

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #5 on: 8 Mar 2015, 04:04 pm »
They made great stuff.  I had a couple of their equipment racks at one point, one filled with Target heavy metal pellets and one will lead shot (no I did not A/B them :lol:).  I ended up giving one to my brother and I framed around one in the old house and left it in the basement.

Hi Phil

Do you have any shots of the component equipment racks as it is one area I want to resurrect.

james



rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #6 on: 8 Mar 2015, 04:21 pm »
Hi James

Not to speak for Phil….but the AER series was IMHO the best, believe they were discontinued though…?
Found this shot of the one I’m currently using.. all one piece welded construction..and 19” width…








rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #7 on: 8 Mar 2015, 04:28 pm »
And not to forget their dedicated amp stands.



rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #8 on: 8 Mar 2015, 04:43 pm »
Or the matching wall mounts.  :wink:



Don_S

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #9 on: 8 Mar 2015, 06:54 pm »
My entire professional career has been in environmental protection. My college education was focused on that and my first professional job was with a newly-formed US EPA working on the infamous Cuyahoga River and other rivers in Ohio. I have seen many changes in environmental regulations and attitudes. At the beginning of my career it was “Who the hell are you and what do you want?”  At the end of my career I was used to industry compliance officials saying to me “Don, tell me what we have to do and we will do it”.

James, I am sure your company has made changes in production to comply with industry-wide regulations for reducing hazardous materials in finished products sold in North America and the Eurozone and maybe other locations. Lead is one of those regulated materials.  Please join me in enlightening the audiophile community by discouraging the use of lead shot in speaker stands. It would be helpful if you could post something here and on the website pages for speaker stands that Bryston markets. 

Everyone please note:

When you sell your speaker stands be sure and tell potential buyers that you contaminated them with a hazardous substance.

Also note that when you remove the lead or lead/sand mix to make the items lighter for shipping the fill is a hazardous waste and must be disposed of in accordance with state and federal regulations. I worked in environmental compliance for 20 years so this is not just an opinion---it's the law. Separating the lead from sand is virtually impossible and even if it was possible the abrasive sand would probably still contain levels of the soft lead that would be classified as hazardous waste. 

Most people are not going to take the time to try to recycle lead shot especially if it is mixed with sand.  But the recycling problem does not end there.  I called a couple of the larger recycling companies in my area.  They said they recycled lead but not in shot form. They are not set up to handle loose material.

But it is not just the disposal of lead that is a problem. The mining and smelting of lead (including smelting recycled lead) also creates an environmental consequence in both air and water pollution. Sand is much greener. There is less environmental impact in the production and disposal.

Regulations have been passed to reduce or eliminate even minor amounts of lead and other toxic materials from new electronic equipment and to recover and recycle materials that have been used. Lead is a four letter word.  It does not belong in our electronics and it does not belong in our speaker stands.


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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #10 on: 8 Mar 2015, 07:40 pm »
Why do not make the hole a little larger and fill it with exotic stones and you can always remove and sell them to cover the big loss that you had on the speaker itself?



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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #11 on: 8 Mar 2015, 07:47 pm »
My entire professional career has been in environmental protection. My college education was focused on that and my first professional job was with a newly-formed US EPA working on the infamous Cuyahoga River and other rivers in Ohio. I have seen many changes in environmental regulations and attitudes. At the beginning of my career it was “Who the hell are you and what do you want?”  At the end of my career I was used to industry compliance officials saying to me “Don, tell me what we have to do and we will do it”.

James, I am sure your company has made changes in production to comply with industry-wide regulations for reducing hazardous materials in finished products sold in North America and the Eurozone and maybe other locations. Lead is one of those regulated materials.  Please join me in enlightening the audiophile community by discouraging the use of lead shot in speaker stands. It would be helpful if you could post something here and on the website pages for speaker stands that Bryston markets. 

Everyone please note:

When you sell your speaker stands be sure and tell potential buyers that you contaminated them with a hazardous substance.

Also note that when you remove the lead or lead/sand mix to make the items lighter for shipping the fill is a hazardous waste and must be disposed of in accordance with state and federal regulations. I worked in environmental compliance for 20 years so this is not just an opinion---it's the law. Separating the lead from sand is virtually impossible and even if it was possible the abrasive sand would probably still contain levels of the soft lead that would be classified as hazardous waste. 

Most people are not going to take the time to try to recycle lead shot especially if it is mixed with sand.  But the recycling problem does not end there.  I called a couple of the larger recycling companies in my area.  They said they recycled lead but not in shot form. They are not set up to handle loose material.

But it is not just the disposal of lead that is a problem. The mining and smelting of lead (including smelting recycled lead) also creates an environmental consequence in both air and water pollution. Sand is much greener. There is less environmental impact in the production and disposal.

Regulations have been passed to reduce or eliminate even minor amounts of lead and other toxic materials from new electronic equipment and to recover and recycle materials that have been used. Lead is a four letter word.  It does not belong in our electronics and it does not belong in our speaker stands.

Hi Don

Yes we use these and we call them "Bryston Balls"



james


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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #12 on: 8 Mar 2015, 08:01 pm »
James,

Bryston Balls are way cool.  :bowdown: 

Link please.  I could not find them on your website or via Google.  Please consider offering them via Audio Advisor. That would give greater exposure and help discourage the use of lead by offering an "audiophile certified" alternative.  :thumb:

Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #13 on: 8 Mar 2015, 08:19 pm »
And not to forget their dedicated amp stands.



I had one of those too - forgot about it.  Gave it away when I moved last year.  In the old place, I used to have my 6BSST (for the center and rears) and a Marantz monoblock on it (rear center) and have them behind a couch (as my main system was too full of equipment - one of the reasons I decided to move away from disc playback as I had the LD player and at one point three transports, then two transports, then one and that's what I have now - one transport to the DAC - an Oppo which is my video player).




Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #14 on: 8 Mar 2015, 08:21 pm »
The above was when I was disconnecting the system in the old place.  I had no place for the Target Rack in the new place and it would be a pain since it was filled so I left it.







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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #15 on: 8 Mar 2015, 08:22 pm »
Hi Don

Yes we use these and we call them "Bryston Balls"



james
James,
We all know by now, that Bryston has balls. Then why do not put them at work. :lol: :thumb:
By the way, it is a great idea.

srb

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #16 on: 8 Mar 2015, 08:43 pm »
By the way, it is a great idea.

At what cost?  How much are the 300 rubber covered steel balls required to fill the Mini T stands?

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #17 on: 8 Mar 2015, 08:52 pm »


Very clean installation - it looks awesome  :thumb:

Be well...

Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #18 on: 8 Mar 2015, 09:01 pm »
Very clean installation - it looks awesome  :thumb:

Be well...

Thanks,
Was the old place.  Main system was an integrated 2-channel and HT and the basement was used for daytime TV (like weekend football) and movies.  Those are LDs on the shelves on one side, CDs on the other and the shelves above it (which show in photo from a greater distance) are for DVDs or Blu-Rays.  The CD and DVD storage were Middle Atlantic racks (made for a 19 inch rack) which I recessed into the unfinished part of the basement and put a frame around.  The new place doesn't have as much storage so except for Blu-Rays, all my media is in closets (and since I use file playback for music it is not a big deal and I take out a DVD now and then).

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #19 on: 8 Mar 2015, 09:06 pm »
At what cost?  How much are the 300 rubber covered steel balls required to fill the Mini T stands?

Steve
I do not know at what cost, but cost never been an object in my life and I have never owned monitor speakers either studio designs or garden.
1.The lead kills you.
2.Solid steel is heavy.
3.Sand is not heavy enough.
4.Bryston balls are expensive.
Do have any better idea?