Battery power....

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Occam

Battery power....
« on: 16 Mar 2005, 03:44 am »
For folks who've considered powering their AKSA with batteries this may be of interest -
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=17658&highlight=

with a dpdt switch this will give you + & - 24v rails which might give a potentially very nice 25watt version of a AKSA 55.
FWIW

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« Reply #1 on: 16 Mar 2005, 11:34 am »
Hi Paul,

Thanks for this very good product heads-up!  It looks fantastic.

However, I note that the output from this UPS is current limited at 1.65 amps.  You might have to bypass the current sense function to give the amp room to breathe deeply.......  Otherwise it will current starve on peaks.

It would be a steal for anyone Stateside, but the sheer weight of this product would make it very expensive to ship to Oz    :cry:

Cheers,

Hugh

Occam

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« Reply #2 on: 16 Mar 2005, 03:46 pm »
Hugh - as per usual, you are correct. As configured it current limited as a 48v ps. But one is gonna have to muck about with it anyhoo. Assuming one would use the extant charger to charge as a 48v string of batteries, you'd then bypass the output circuitry and simply attach the batteries configured 2each for a + & - 24v rails with a 4pdt switch(s)/relay....

AKSA

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« Reply #3 on: 16 Mar 2005, 10:02 pm »
Paul,

Thanks for your answer, you are right, a straight connection to the batteries would be fine, but you'd need to rig up a relay (if one is already in the box, all the better) to connect the trickle charger on switching off the amps.

Batteries are very interesting devices.  They are not quite what people imagine them to be;  there are other issues when powering amplifiers.  While noise is not an issue as it is with AC supplies, the source impedance of lead acid gel cels increases abruptly from 10KHz with frequency.  For a Class A this is not a problem (though energy consumption is, of course), but it is anathema for a Class AB, where short, fast-moving stabs of current are extracted from the supply.  The rising impedance with both current and frequency is an issue, resulting in current starvation at the output stage unless an inordinately large battery is used, and this forces an unpleasant situation.  You have to use storage caps, just like an AC supply.

Of course, the storage caps are a major part of the total supply cost, almost as much as a transformer!  And there's one further factor;  earth return for the speaker.  In a conventional supply, the filter caps serve as earth return for speaker currents, since all speaker drive is referenced to ground.  This means the caps have to be passable quality, and no smaller than for an AC supply because it is primarily the speaker currents which determine the size of these items, as we are chasing a couple of ohms maximum at 10Hz.  (This relates to about 8000uF, BTW).  People are justly concerned about their speaker cables;  how about an earth return via an electrolyte in a gelcel?  Would this cut the mustard?  The problem seems to be the mobility of the ions which carry the current in the battery;  their weight and spacing in a liquid makes them sluggish and the audio quality suffers.  So, for two good reasons, the optimum solution is NOT pointing at a battery supply.

Anecdotally, someone with a battery supply once told me that there was something very strange about the midrange in his rig.  When he put the amp on an AC supply, the problem disappeared.

In closing, the inconvenience, bulk and weight (not to mention cost, though your find is stunningly cheap) makes battery power a dubious benefit for high end audio.  I admit I've not tried it, but I believe that the engineering points to a less than optimal solution.

Paul, thanks for raising a very interesting issue, and I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but I have considered this option and these were my findings.

Cheers,

Hugh

Seano

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« Reply #4 on: 17 Mar 2005, 05:29 am »
So if battery powered Class A is just OK and Class AB is potentially less than ordinary........what about with a so called Class D amp?

But as Hugh pointed out a decent gel cell battery is nothing short of ridiculously expensive.........what about other battery types? Might they be better/more appropriate for audio use? Such as NiCd, LiOn or even the new promised breed of high output LiOn as described recently in New Scientist?

jules

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« Reply #5 on: 29 Mar 2005, 04:46 am »
... and another battery option:-

I'm successfully running my Aksa 55N+ from a power supply consisting of 12X2V [total 24Volt], 560 amp hour, ex Telstra batteries. The 24V DC output is converted to 240AC by an 1800W pure sine wave inverter. I don't own a CRO but I understand that the output is cleaner than mains and it's certainly free of variation!

These batteries weren't all that expensive but since the total weight is near 1 tonne and each one weighs nearly 60kg, there are some practical problems with transport and space [visible in my gallery pics as background].

Jules