Elac speaker review.

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trianglezerius

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #80 on: 3 Apr 2016, 04:07 pm »
Yes i do know what this site and forum is about because own Danny's N2's I also totally support him too. The point I was trying to convey is the Elac Debuts are to try and convert the entry level person getting into the hobby without a lot of money. I do own the B6's and enjoy them for what they are budget killers and can appreciate what Andrew Jones as achieved. If he keeps it up he'll change the whole market and force others to step up their game.

Wind Chaser

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #81 on: 3 Apr 2016, 05:07 pm »
Yes i do know what this site and forum is about because own Danny's N2's I also totally support him too. The point I was trying to convey is the Elac Debuts are to try and convert the entry level person getting into the hobby without a lot of money. I do own the B6's and enjoy them for what they are budget killers and can appreciate what Andrew Jones as achieved. If he keeps it up he'll change the whole market and force others to step up their game.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.

Danny Richie

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #82 on: 4 Apr 2016, 02:08 pm »
Yes i do know what this site and forum is about because own Danny's N2's I also totally support him too. The point I was trying to convey is the Elac Debuts are to try and convert the entry level person getting into the hobby without a lot of money. I do own the B6's and enjoy them for what they are budget killers and can appreciate what Andrew Jones as achieved. If he keeps it up he'll change the whole market and force others to step up their game.

If he can bring more people into this hobby with his products I am all for him. But building the right product is just the beginning. The hard part is reaching and educating the public.

I don't know that he will really force others to step up their game, but I do know that the DIY market made Andrew step up his game. I know that he wasn't real happy that the DIY market and hobbyist were coming up with upgrades to his budget Pioneer speaker that involved upgrading the tweeter. And this time with the Elac line he wanted to use a higher quality tweeter that wouldn't wind up having to be upgraded.

maty

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #83 on: 4 Apr 2016, 03:31 pm »
"This item will be released on April 30, 2016."

ELAC Uni-fi UB5 Bookshelf Speaker (Black, Pair) $499

-> http://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Uni-fi-Bookshelf-Speaker-Black/dp/B01CRYWVG2

ELAC Uni-fi UF5 Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Single) $499

-> http://www.amazon.com/Uni-fi-Floorstanding-Speaker-Black-Single/dp/B01CRYWVLM

Electrolytic capacitors again :(


Danny Richie

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #84 on: 4 Apr 2016, 03:39 pm »
ELAC Uni-fi UB5 Bookshelf Speaker (Black, Pair) $499

-> http://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Uni-fi-Bookshelf-Speaker-Black/dp/B01CRYWVG2

ELAC Uni-fi UF5 Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Single) $499

-> http://www.amazon.com/Uni-fi-Floorstanding-Speaker-Black-Single/dp/B01CRYWVLM

I'm not a fan of the metal cone drivers.

I wonder how long it will take for one of his customers to send me a pair for possible upgrades?

Oh and for only $399 a pair.... http://gr-research.com/davanti.aspx

Solid 3/4" MDF cabinets (not 1/2" thick) in Piano black. These have high quality crossover parts, a paper cone woofer and true silk dome tweeter. And $100 a pair less.....

roscoeiii

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #85 on: 4 Apr 2016, 04:10 pm »
I'm not a fan of the metal cone drivers.

I wonder how long it will take for one of his customers to send me a pair for possible upgrades?

Oh and for only $399 a pair.... http://gr-research.com/davanti.aspx

Solid 3/4" MDF cabinets (not 1/2" thick) in Piano black. These have high quality crossover parts, a paper cone woofer and true silk dome tweeter. And $100 a pair less.....

Proof will be in the pudding.

In his incredible TAD speakers, Andrew Jones created one of the top 5 speakers I've ever heard at any price, and I loved the sound of those Pioneers for the price.

So I tend to trust Andrew Jones' decisions and voicing, while appreciating that until you get to price-is-no-object, there are always compromises and decisions to be made when mass producing a product to meet a certain price point.

And both Danny and Andrew are excellent speaker designers, with superb reputations. And so if possible, both should be heard in order that an audiophile can best decide which designer's speakers best meets their preferences and budget.

maty

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #86 on: 4 Apr 2016, 04:24 pm »
I can understand the use of electrolytics in economic series (Debut) but not in the next (Uni-Fi), much more expensive!

In Germany, where the matrix is, the speakers company most important is Canton. And never use electrolytics in speakers of the same range of prices. Yes in the cheapests series (GLE).

-> https://www.canton.de/en/

-> http://www.amazon.de/Canton/b?ie=UTF8&node=578138

Danny Richie

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #87 on: 4 Apr 2016, 04:39 pm »
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In his incredible TAD speakers, Andrew Jones created one of the top 5 speakers I've ever heard at any price, and I loved the sound of those Pioneers for the price.

Great speakers. I really like those as well. I think they used paper based or woven fabric based woofers though. 

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So I tend to trust Andrew Jones' decisions and voicing, while appreciating that until you get to price-is-no-object, there are always compromises and decisions to be made when mass producing a product to meet a certain price point.

I think he did a really nice job voicing the Elac models. He left the top end pretty rolled off though. But again, that was an easy fix. And yes, he was very budget limited on those models. And you have to consider cost to produce verses retail cost. That $76 level 1 upgrade I came up with is not that big of a deal for the end user. It doesn't cost much, it's fun to work on, and increases performance considerably. But that modification would have added about $200 or so to the retail cost had they been done at the factory. This is why aftermarket upgrades are so popular.

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And both Danny and Andrew are excellent speaker designers, with superb reputations. And so if possible, both should be heard in order that an audiophile can best decide which designer's speakers best meets their preferences and budget.

Yes, but in some cases you can look at the guts of a speaker and get a good idea of the quality of performance you can expect from the quality of the parts used. The Carnegie Acoustics Davanti that I posted a link to for example:



All air core inductors even on the woofer. All poly caps even on the woofer. No sand caste resistors either. All good quality non-inductor wire wound resistors.

And the Elac B-6: Well.....



And all on an very budget based binding post cup.

The Carnegie Acoustics Davanti uses tube connectors (the highest quality connector available on the market), and good quality internal wire.


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Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #88 on: 4 Apr 2016, 04:52 pm »
....and Carnegie is out of business!  Maybe they should have thought about the fancy stuff to hit a better price point and they would still be in business.   :wink:

Danny Richie

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #89 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:02 pm »
....and Carnegie is out of business!  Maybe they should have thought about the fancy stuff to hit a better price point and they would still be in business.   :wink:

Or maybe if they would have just cut out the dealers and sold direct like Elac. Their problem was that the stores just went away....

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Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #90 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:17 pm »
Or maybe if they would have just cut out the dealers and sold direct like Elac. Their problem was that the stores just went away....
ELAC has dealers too. 

Russell Dawkins

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #91 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:18 pm »

Electrolytic capacitors again :(


How do you know electrolytics are being used? 

maty

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #92 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:21 pm »
Other very good german speakers company is Nubert. The economic series (Nubox) uses electrolytics. The next series, Nuline, without them.

-> http://www.nubert.de/nuline-34/p1112/?category=3

Crossover: http://www.nubert.de/images/products/nuline/nuline-34-regal-lautsprecher-weiche.jpg

I could go on but I think my complaint is well documented.


maty

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #93 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:23 pm »
@Russell Dawkins

Because they are not axial.

Danny Richie

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #94 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:23 pm »
How do you know electrolytics are being used?

Who knows what's on that thing? It looks like a mock up not a real crossover.

Russell Dawkins

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #95 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:29 pm »
Who knows what's on that thing? It looks like a mock up not a real crossover.
That was my point. I was wondering if maty was making his judgement based on that very obvious mock up.

OzarkTom

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #96 on: 4 Apr 2016, 05:40 pm »
Other very good german speakers company is Nubert. The economic series (Nubox) uses electrolytics. The next series, Nuline, without them.

-> http://www.nubert.de/nuline-34/p1112/?category=3

Crossover: http://www.nubert.de/images/products/nuline/nuline-34-regal-lautsprecher-weiche.jpg

I could go on but I think my complaint is well documented.

The best German speakers is Zellaton. Zellaton uses no crossoer on the midrange.

maty

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #97 on: 4 Apr 2016, 06:06 pm »
If those three vertical electrolytic capacitors are not electrolytics, what others might be?

I do not know what are the best german speakers.

For me the most important thing is to get excited about some of the recordings that I listen to, and that I could get on my second system (the first is kidnapping by TV and family) spending little money.

Before spending a lot of money on speakers and amplifiers it is best to ensure that the power grid is very clean and condition the room acoustically.

Russell Dawkins

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #98 on: 4 Apr 2016, 06:21 pm »
If those three vertical electrolytic capacitors are not electrolytics, what others might be?

I do not know what are the best german speakers.

For me the most important thing is to get excited about some of the recordings that I listen to, and that I could get on my second system (the first is kidnapping by TV and family) spending little money.

Before spending a lot of money on speakers and amplifiers it is best to ensure that the power grid is very clean and condition the room acoustically.

The point is, that is a mock up and may have little resemblance to the real thing, and isn't it a waste of time speculating on this as a result?

Excuse the bolds, I just couldn't resist...

maty

Re: Elac speaker review.
« Reply #99 on: 4 Apr 2016, 06:24 pm »
It is assumed that ELAC is a serious company and does not lies.

-> http://elac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Elac_UniFiSellSheet.pdf

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Sophisticated Crossover

High quality, audio-grade components specified in the manufacture of each custom, three-way crossover ensure smooth transition between the drivers.