Re: Learning from JSalk and DMurphy

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Rick Craig

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« Reply #40 on: 2 Sep 2005, 12:00 am »
Quote from: John Ashman
I can see why Brian would be edgey based on

a) the title of the thread could easily be intrepreted as a slam
b) the fact that Rick, with their previous history, was one of those commenting

Nonetheless, the reaction was a bit over the top, but there were some mitigating factors there.  

Fortunately, ribbons and metal cones each do things differently and each do some things that are the same.  To say that metal cones are problematic and ribbons are not is kinda like Pam Anderson is a slut, but Paris Hilton is a virgin.  :)


Most of my history with Brian has been due to our differences in design approach. I have nothing personal against him.

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« Reply #41 on: 2 Sep 2005, 12:07 am »
There goes my hope to arrange a charity grudge match at the RMAF.  :D

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« Reply #42 on: 2 Sep 2005, 12:15 am »
P.H. a virgin?  Where??

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« Reply #43 on: 2 Sep 2005, 12:18 am »
My apologies to Mr. Salk for my overreacting to posts by others.  He seems like a fine gentleman.

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« Reply #44 on: 2 Sep 2005, 01:47 am »
Brian -

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My apologies to Mr. Salk for my overreacting to posts by others.  He seems like a fine gentleman.

Accepted.  Thanks.  No problem.

I simply hate bashing of any kind on forums.  It is a waste of bandwidth and adds nothing to our common pursuit of audio perfection.  I especially do not want my name or products associated with it.

We are all just trying to do the best we possibly can.  Our pihlosophies and methodologies may not be the same, but our goals certainly are.  And as long as owners of our respective products are thrilled with the results of our efforts, that is all that matters.

See you at RMAF.  I'll buy the first round...

- Jim

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« Reply #45 on: 2 Sep 2005, 01:58 am »
Just send flowers, I'll understand.

 I won't be at RMAF.

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« Reply #46 on: 2 Sep 2005, 04:46 pm »
To get a another perspective on perhaps why Brian objects to metal cone drivers and others seem to like them take a look a North Creek' s George Short's struggle with the Seas driver:




http://www.northcreekmusic.com/Pegasus/Pegasus.htmt

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« Reply #47 on: 4 Sep 2005, 02:35 am »
The Seas Excel drivers with magnesium cones are certainly a design challenge.  I was well aware of this when we developed the initial Veracity HT1's and all the subsequent Veracity designs.

But the reward for dealing effectively with these driver's challenges is detail and accuracy few speaker drivers can match. It is well worth the effort involved and, having addressed these issues, I wouldn't settle for anything less in this series of speakers.

- Jim

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« Reply #48 on: 4 Sep 2005, 04:21 am »
Implemented properly, the Excels have distortion and spectral decay properties that are simply embarrassing to ever other driver I've ever seen measured.  I saw a Joseph Audio waterfall plot that was just gorgeous. I've been living with said driver in the Xd for several months and the precision, resolution and naturalness is simply astonishing.  It's no wonder it's all over the place in so many speakers, despire the fact that not everyone does a great job of implementation.  I don't think there's a plastic, paper, carbon fiber and certainly not kevlar cone that can match the Excel in a good implementation.

Ribbons, on the other hand, often have their own little demons, such as huge resonance peaks that need notch filters of their own.  In the end, as usual, it comes down to implementation, not one material vs another.

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« Reply #49 on: 4 Sep 2005, 04:30 am »
I'm most pleased with the 8" W22EX magnesium cone woofers.  There is no question that this is one of the premier driver lines available, particularly at its price point.  They obviously require careful implementation, which not all designers are willing or capable of doing.