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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => All Solid State => Topic started by: neekomax on 9 Jan 2018, 12:43 am
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Looking to see if anyone out there has any experience with adding an ADC to their system. My girlfriend has a bunch of vinyl records and I want to get her a turntable so we can listen to them. Here's the twist: Meanwhile, I'm also considering a front end processor that lacks analog input, but has coax, optical and HDMI inputs.
So I'm thinking, ok no worries, just add an analog to digital convertor after the phono stage! Anyone ever try this? Any recommendations or opinions?
TIA!
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What is your price range? That might help with the answers.
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What is your price range? That might help with the answers.
I have no idea what a decent ADC costs. But let's say under $150.
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Like a USB turntable?
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Hmmm, yeah I guess. But I was thinking if it doesn't have USB, I need an ADC. And if it does have USB, I need a USB to S/PDIF convertor.
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Pro-Ject makes a optical out digital turntable and it comes in colors to match your couch.
Pro-Ject Essential II DIGITAL
http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=essential2digital&lang=en (http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=essential2digital&lang=en)
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Part of the equation is how good is the vinyl and what do you want to spend on that part of the equation.
And is it HER MONEY :thumb:
Alan
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Pro-Ject makes a optical out digital turntable and it comes in colors to match your couch.
Pro-Ject Essential II DIGITAL
http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=essential2digital&lang=en (http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=essential2digital&lang=en)
Pretty cool: Looks like it outputs in 24/96.
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Here is a possibility.
http://m-audio.com/m-tracks/2x2
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I have one but have never used it, art di/o (digital input/output). Don't think it's appropriate, the ADC circuit uses a tube on purpose to add warmth. There's even a knob to control it. Oddly enough the tube isn't in the DAC circuit.
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Phono stage plus A/D converter all in one
http://www.psaudio.com/products/nuwave-phono-converter/ (http://www.psaudio.com/products/nuwave-phono-converter/)
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Part of the equation is how good is the vinyl and what do you want to spend on that part of the equation.
And is it HER MONEY :thumb:
Alan
Actually, it will be a gift (the turntable and whatever else we need to make work) from me, so it's my money. But she's amazing, is supportive of my music/audio obsessions, and deserves it. Plus, it will be cool for us to share the system instead of it just being my thing. Happy (someday) wife, happy life. :)
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Here is a possibility.
http://m-audio.com/m-tracks/2x2
Yeah, I actually have more than one audio interface laying around from my studio work, but I just want something simple and made for analog to S/PDIF. USB is an ok backup plan in a pinch.
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Phono stage plus A/D converter all in one
http://www.psaudio.com/products/nuwave-phono-converter/ (http://www.psaudio.com/products/nuwave-phono-converter/)
Thanks. $999.00 is a little rich for my blood however. :P
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The MAudio looks interesting. I've been using the ZOOM H2n portable for all my digitizing. Back when I bought it, it came with some great editing software. Not sure if the new version does.
The ZOOM does 24/96. Basically, I just go from my pre-amp outputs to the 1/8" input on the Zoom. I do a quick level check at the loudest part of the recording and set it to -3dBFS and then let her rip. After, I pop out the SD card, copy it to my hard drive then slice it up into individual tracks in the software. I'll de-click to eliminate surface noise and occasionally do some judicious EQing.
It's worked flawlessly for me.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CQ2ZY6/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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The MAudio looks interesting. I've been using the ZOOM H2n portable for all my digitizing. Back when I bought it, it came with some great editing software. Not sure if the new version does.
The ZOOM does 24/96. Basically, I just go from my pre-amp outputs to the 1/8" input on the Zoom. I do a quick level check at the loudest part of the recording and set it to -3dBFS and then let her rip. After, I pop out the SD card, copy it to my hard drive then slice it up into individual tracks in the software. I'll de-click to eliminate surface noise and occasionally do some judicious EQing.
It's worked flawlessly for me.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CQ2ZY6/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have the Zoom H42. It's fantastic. But I'm not trying digitize and save files, I want something that converts in real time to allow for playback on a turntable through a digital-only pre/pro.
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I have a THORENS MM 008 ADC MM/MC Phono Preamp w/USB out for Digital Recording and it works fine. It's about 350.
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I have one but have never used it, art di/o (digital input/output). Don't think it's appropriate, the ADC circuit uses a tube on purpose to add warmth. There's even a knob to control it. Oddly enough the tube isn't in the DAC circuit.
Hmm, looks pretty relevant, actually. We could use this with a basic non-USB table and come out a little more flexible in the long run for the money.
Wanna sell yours? It'd be for a good cause. :wink:
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The Schiit Audio Jil, $199, rips in 24/48, 24/96 or 24/192.
http://www.schiit.com/products/jil
(That's Jil as in "Jill". As in "Jack". The Ripper. Riiight.)
Vinyl Studio, $29.95, runs on Windows or Mac.
http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk/
I bought these, but still need to borrow a turntable.
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I am also interested in ADC for vinyl conversion. I want to create archive quality recordings for rare vinyls and music that never made it to digital and probably never will. I already have a good turntable, cart and phono preamp, but it is hard to find ADC that were built for line level inputs without mic pre-amps.
I been trying to compile a list of products designed to do the job. If anyone has any products in mind, that were not designed for mics, can you help add to the list?
AD24QS http://www.beis.de/Elektronik/ADDA24QS/ADDA24QS.html
Schiit http://www.schiit.com/products/jil
Korg USB DAC/ADC http://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/ds_dac_10r/
Benchmark ADC1 https://benchmarkmedia.com/collections/analog-to-digital-audio-converter/products/benchmark-adc1-usb-audio-converter
PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter: http://www.psaudio.com/nuwave-phono-converter/
Evo PhonoDAC Two http://lnx.m2tech.biz/products/evo-two/evo-phonodac-two/
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I am also interested in ADC for vinyl conversion. I want to create archive quality recordings for rare vinyls and music that never made it to digital and probably never will. I already have a good turntable, cart and phono preamp, but it is hard to find ADC that were built for line level inputs without mic pre-amps.
I been trying to compile a list of products designed to do the job. If anyone has any products in mind, that were not designed for mics, can you help add to the list?
AD24QS http://www.beis.de/Elektronik/ADDA24QS/ADDA24QS.html
Schiit http://www.schiit.com/products/jil
Korg USB DAC/ADC http://www.korg.com/us/products/audio/ds_dac_10r/
Benchmark ADC1 https://benchmarkmedia.com/collections/analog-to-digital-audio-converter/products/benchmark-adc1-usb-audio-converter
PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter: http://www.psaudio.com/nuwave-phono-converter/
Evo PhonoDAC Two http://lnx.m2tech.biz/products/evo-two/evo-phonodac-two/
Funny thing happened just the other day, well after I posted this topic. This post made me remember the thread, haha.
Still don't have the TT in question, but I just realized I have a (likely) very high quality ADC just sitting around. Actually IN my system, more precisely. I've just never used it as such, so I'd forgotten that it has this functionality.
(http://www.dspeaker.com/typo3temp/pics/d_e0cea1993d.jpg)
(http://www.dspeaker.com/typo3temp/pics/d_e6286c5ed4.jpg)
http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/20-dual-core.shtml (http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/20-dual-core.shtml)
Yep... good ole analog in, and good (not as) ole S/PDIF out.
I'm just now configuring in my head a way to keep the DSP/ bass management function AND using the ADC as a way to get a turntable into the NuForce AVP-18 (all digital) 7.1 pre/pro that's headed my by mail from mresseguie. :D
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I have been using a Furutech ADL GT40a and have been happy with the results. Outputs to usb. I then use vinylstudio for recording, cleaning up and splitting.
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Here is another interesting unit that does digitizing and cleaning automatically for playback and can also capture the audio to a computer and auto metadata the files.
SugarCube http://www.sweetvinyl.com/
I talked to my local audio store they and auditioned it. Despite thinking it was a gimmick at first, they were very impressed (quite astonished actually) and are planning on carrying it soon. They're going to put on a demo soon so I am going to give it a listen when they do and hopefully report back my impression.
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Both the ADL and the Sugarcube look like nice pieces of kit.
Especially the SC2 with internal recording, that's rad! What's the price though?
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Don't know a price. But the rep said something along of the lines of "it has got to be at least $2500 [CAD]" (not a exact quote) that seemed like pure conjecture based upon his listening impression. But I don't think they have any real pricing info on that either. Obviously that would put it out of reach for most people though. Once they demo it, I will try to report back here. But that could be a few months from now.
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Don't know a price. But the rep said something along of the lines of "it has got to be at least $2500 [CAD]" (not a exact quote) that seemed like pure conjecture based upon his listening impression. But I don't think they have any real pricing info on that either. Obviously that would put it out of reach for most people though. Once they demo it, I will try to report back here. But that could be a few months from now.
Looks pretty swanky to me, and the company is in Silicon Valley (Mountain View, to be exact), so I wouldn't be surprised if their products were destined for a high end market.
I'm def not dropping 2K on an ADC haha (since I have one!), but I COULD see one day wanting a one-box high-res file creation device for my girlfriend's vinyl collection. Maybe. If I had more money. :lol:
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Looks pretty swanky to me, and the company is in Silicon Valley (Mountain View, to be exact), so I wouldn't be surprised if their products were destined for a high end market.
I'm def not dropping 2K on an ADC haha (since I have one!), but I COULD see one day wanting a one-box high-res file creation device for my girlfriend's vinyl collection. Maybe. If I had more money. :lol:
Sounds like renting one would be ideal. I've never heard of anyone doing this, but it sounds like a good idea.
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Probably not in the OP's price range, but I've seen good things about set-ups that apply the RIAA curve digitally rather than in the analog domain. m2Tech has/had some phono options that do this, and PureVinyl and that suite of products has shown such set-ups at AXPONA. Though I forget those details.
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Just want to let everyone know I listened to the SugarCube today and was blown away it actually works as advertised. Removes clicks and pops on the fly without any quality degradation to the actual music. The SC-1 is $2k USD and the SC-2 is $3k USD which is extremely expensive. But I am seriously considering saving for the SC-2 now, instead of buying the Schiit Jil, so I can easily make digital copies of rare vinyls that are not available in digital.
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Think about digitizing the LPs for the future, before she plays them to death.
Hmm, looks pretty relevant, actually. We could use this with a basic non-USB table and come out a little more flexible in the long run for the money.
Wanna sell yours? It'd be for a good cause. :wink:
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I have PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter and I also have TASCAM US-366 (which I also use as linear preamp for the records - unorthodox way). Let me know if the topic is relevant and anyone wants to hear my feedback.
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Most anyone who has active speakers with analog input with digital features, like delays or room correction has ADC built-in. My JBL 708P's had that, which also meant they had a DAC on-board too.
BTW owned a DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core, a very good sounding device. But very cramped connection space, tiny screen, and crappy remote.