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Community => Non-audio hobbies and interests => Cars and Bikes => Topic started by: Emil on 5 Jun 2017, 03:40 pm
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I'm going on my 4th Prius and believe me if it werent for this
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I'd be driving a much more interesting car :icon_lol:
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Car pool lane envy. AKA "Prius Envy". :lol:
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now that's uncalled for
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I'm going on my 4th Prius and believe me if it werent for this
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I'd be driving a much more interesting car :icon_lol:
The reality is the above illustrates why the Prius one of the most interesting cars on the road.
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.............I'm going on my 4th Prius and believe me if it werent for this...........
I'd be driving a much more interesting car :icon_lol:
I've never gotten the point of the Prius.
No hate, just curious as to why a consumer would buy one.
I'm looking to be educated, not starting a fight.
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A Prius is an efficient means to an end...and that's all.
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I judge Prius drivers while cruising in my Bolt.
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A friend recently drove from Louisiana to Chicago and back with 4 adults in the Prius. He said they were comfortable and got over 40 mpg. I took a Prius taxi in Vancouver, WA a few years back and both of us 6'2"+ guys enjoyed the ride and the driver said he liked it. That's why people buy them.
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
You must be an angry driver. :nono:
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You must be an angry driver. :nono:
I'm officially on record as being an angry pedestrian, too. :thumb:
Here in So Cal you say it about everybody. If you don't, you're a part of the problem...
I get road-rage when I'm walking... :cuss:
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I've never gotten the point of the Prius.
No hate, just curious as to why a consumer would buy one.
I'm looking to be educated, not starting a fight.
If you live in a congested area like I do , this is reason enough Bob. It helps shorten my commute on the Long Island Distressway.
Great gas mileage is a plus. My commute is 35 miles each way and I fill my 13 gallon tank once every 12-14 days.
It s great commuter car with solid reliability. Wouldn't want to take a long trip in it thou
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It's a Prius. Nothing more need be said.......
Seriously though, it's been my experience that most Prius owners are guilty of the hate. Hating Harley riders, sports car drivers, etc... Anything that is loud, gas guzzling, or just plain fun.
Again, I said most....
Shakey
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It's a Prius. Nothing more need be said.......
Seriously though, it's been my experience that most Prius owners are guilty of the hate. Hating Harley riders, sports car drivers, etc... Anything that is loud, gas guzzling, or just plain fun.
Again, I said most....
Shakey
Don't you want to save the planet, Shakey? Think of the polar bears.
Believe me, Shakey. I would love something fun but the thought of sitting in traffic in my new BMW watching the hybrids drive by was just too much :lol:
The picture I posted above is not far from the truth here on Long island. Actually it's worse.
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
......and you guys thought I was kidding :lol:
Doesn't Leonardo Dicaprio drive a Prius...........................on his way to his private jet :icon_lol:
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I'm officially on record as being an angry pedestrian, too. :thumb:
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+1
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I've never gotten the point of the Prius.
No hate, just curious as to why a consumer would buy one.
I'm looking to be educated, not starting a fight.
I've had my Prius for over 7 years. For me, it was just a choice driven by economy. Because the car is over 10 years old now my plates cost $70/yr. Insurance runs to about $330/6 mos. of full coverage. My driving accounts for an annual average of 6.8 miles per day or 2,482 miles per year. Since I average exactly 45 mpg, that means I buy 53 gallons of regular gas/yr. Pump price has been hovering at about $2.35/gallon, costing me approximately $125/yr. for fuel in the Prius. I do have another car but it is a 2wd 1997 Tacoma pickup which accounts for about 500 miles/yr. of driving at 28 mpg. costing another $42.
Let's review. Plates for 2 cars = $140. Ins. for 2 cars = about $1150/yr. Fuel for 2 cars = $167/yr. There is only one oil change each year and $0.00 for repairs so far. Total cost of operation for both cars does not exceed $1600.
Prius is just another excellent car from Toyota. Objectively speaking, there is nothing here to hate. The negativity held by many people was all whipped up by our corporate media who abuse their position of influence by shilling for or against people and/or things that they fear might threaten their bottom line. That includes climate change, immigration policy and the Prius. In truth, it is a car that is ideal for most and impractical for some. In fact, it is an inanimate object that may help, but won't hurt, anyone. It's just a car. Hating it makes as much sense as hating digital.
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Back when I was still working, I had a boss who often made side remarks about what he referred to constantly as my Obamacar. One day I asked him why he called it that. What connection was he making in his head? He responded by saying that it was just something to say. He really had not made a logical connection - just an association fueled by his idol Bill O. That's the source of the negativity. I doubt anyone but angry JerryM actually hates the Prius..... and I really doubt that he cares very much either.
It's just a car -- but it is one of the best. The times ... they are a changin'.
I would own an electric vehicle if circumstances today made such a choice viable. My Prius has about 115,000 miles on it now. They routinely provide more than 200,000 trouble free miles. At my rate of use, that means at least 85,000 miles (or 28 years) ahead. Since I am now nearing 70 years old, this Prius will be good for life, especially since I will likely drive less in my dotage.
The next big automotive decision at our house will be around which car to keep when we go to just one vehicle. Truck is more versatile but Prius is far more comfortable and economical. Maybe eventually, I can justify a Bolt or a Tesla. If so, then the oil changes and the fuel costs go away as I drive off of the juice from my solar panels.
Just for fun, do the math on your driving costs and look at whether a Prius might benefit you. I bet it will.
Personally, I am fed up with giant corporations. If I can find ways to give them less of my money, I'm all in.
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+1 macrojack
Like you, we have PV solar panels on the house (just got a check for $116 from the utility and a statement saying I'll get another $110 next month). And like you, I'm retired (wifey is near retirement) and have/will cut way back on the annual miles driven. Currently have a '12 Camry with 150k miles on it (33 mpg) and a '09 Outback with 160k miles on it (25 mpg) for winter weather and hauling. Wifey drives the Camry to work, putting about 35k miles/year on it while the Outback usually stays closer to home, about 10k miles/year. Planning on replacing the Camry first as it approaches 300k miles, but with what?
I'm a Toyota fan, having owned 5 since '89, based on low operating cost, high reliability, and good dealership. Am torn between a Corolla (have had 3 Camrys that I like, but smaller family = smaller car needs) and a Prius Prime (with rebate the other Prius's become pointless IMO). My concern with the Prius is how our projected driving pattern of many 5 miles trips and occasional longer ones would work with battery and engine life. I can see the engine needing to run once a month and condensation building up in tank if refilled only every 6 months. And I can see the battery not getting a chance to be properly exercised.
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Thanks fellas.
It's definitely not for me, but thanks for the explanation.
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Damn! This song keeps popping in my head as I read this thread:
Damn this traffic jam, how I hate to be late, it hurts my motor to go so slow.
Damn this traffic jam, time I get home my supper'll be cold, damn this traffic jam.
Well I left my job about 5 o'clock, it took fifteen minutes go three blocks,
Just in time to stand in line with a freeway looking like a parking lot.
Damn this traffic jam, how I hate to be late, it hurts my motor to go so slow.
Damn this traffic jam, time I get home my supper'll be cold, damn this traffic jam.
Now I almost had a heart attack, looking in my rear view mirror,
I saw myself the next car back, looking in the rear view mirror,
about to have a heart attack, I said,
damn this traffic jam, how I hate to be late, it hurts my motor to go so slow.
Damn this traffic jam, time I get home my supper'll be cold, damn this traffic jam.
Now when I die I don't want no coffin, I thought about it all too often.
Just strap me in behind the wheel and bury me with my automobile.
Damn this traffic jam, how I hate to be late, it hurts my motor to go so slow.
Damn this traffic jam, time I get home my supper'll be cold, damn this traffic jam. Damn.
Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel,
Until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin.
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You must be an angry driver. :nono:
You need to live in So Cal to understand the problem. I don't live there, but I have a friend who does. I visit him from time to time. I totally get it.
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Don't you want to save the planet, Shakey? Think of the polar bears.
I love the planet AND the polar bears. But driving a Prius (or not driving any other brand) can't help either. But that's a subject for a different time and place...... :duh:
Shakey
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I don't hate the Prius, just most of the people who drive them - but not you guys, audiophiles are cool.
Prius buyers are sensible, law abiding and concerned for the environment which means they observe the posted speed limit, follow all traffic laws studiously and putt along so they can always mention how many miles per gallon their Prius gets.
Whenever there is a long line of traffic on the way to work, the leader of the parade is inevitably a Prius. What's crazy is they can go fast, zippy in fact and probably fun to drive if the f**king drivers would just put the pedal to the metal once in a while.
And don't get me started on non-Prius drivers still texting after the light turns green, good thing my Jeep has a very nice loud horn.
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A Prius is an efficient means to an end...and that's all.
.......... and with that being said there's no reason it has be so damn ugly !!
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.......... and with that being said there's no reason it has be so damn ugly !!
At least it's ugly, the Prius has a distinctive style. Most of the little white cars running around Tucson are so generic looking I can't tell one brand from another.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrUYnOFZc2M
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If you can't handle the stress of living in LA, you should move to a small town and cut your living expenses, reduce stress and live the simple life. I can walk to the library, 2 movie theaters, food coop, courthouse, banks, hardware store, gas station :), taverns, restaurants, small shopping center, public pool, gym, parks, beach and schools.
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
Get a life :nono:
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
The truth isn't always pretty, but sometimes needs to be heard.
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I love the planet AND the polar bears. But driving a Prius (or not driving any other brand) can't help either. But that's a subject for a different time and place...... :duh:
Shakey
It's hard to say for sure but I also have doubts as to whether the hybrid tradeoffs are really worth it.
When looking at energy tech the most important part is EROEI, or energy return on energy invested, imo. That's why nuclear isn't a good idea, it takes too much energy to build the thing and store it's waste, reducing your return to something in the 5:1 area + liability of toxic material storage and increase in temps of the body of water used for cooling. Wind turbines otoh were approaching 20:1 when I was working on them some years ago, new models might exceed the 20:1 mark, there's no toxic waste and they are nearly 100% recyclable. There's some disadvantages as far as how much space they need and associated distribution of power generated, but small potatoes vs nuclear waste imo.
So back to cars, the Prius is subsidized by Toyota vs conventional cars and has been since it came out with Toyota selling them for a loss. The manufacture of their batteries is environmentally problematic and the entire car is much more complicated, requiring much more energy to manufacture.
I don't have a definitive answer but it's certainly possible that it's more environmentally responsible to drive a supercharged Corvette vs a Prius. OTOH, the technology being developed for hybrids might be valuable in the future even if it's a net loss currently. What it comes down to is we need better battery or energy storage technology.
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It's hard to say for sure but I also have doubts as to whether the hybrid tradeoffs are really worth it.
When looking at energy tech the most important part is EROEI, or energy return on energy invested, imo. That's why nuclear isn't a good idea, it takes too much energy to build the thing and store it's waste, reducing your return to something in the 5:1 area + liability of toxic material storage and increase in temps of the body of water used for cooling. Wind turbines otoh were approaching 20:1 when I was working on them some years ago, new models might exceed the 20:1 mark, there's no toxic waste and they are nearly 100% recyclable. There's some disadvantages as far as how much space they need and associated distribution of power generated, but small potatoes vs nuclear waste imo.
So back to cars, the Prius is subsidized by Toyota vs conventional cars and has been since it came out with Toyota selling them for a loss. The manufacture of their batteries is environmentally problematic and the entire car is much more complicated, requiring much more energy to manufacture.
I don't have a definitive answer but it's certainly possible that it's more environmentally responsible to drive a supercharged Corvette vs a Prius. OTOH, the technology being developed for hybrids might be valuable in the future even if it's a net loss currently. What it comes down to is we need better battery or energy storage technology.
Well first you have to drink the kool aid and believe in man made global warming. Then, you can go out and buy a Prius.......
Shakey
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My nomination for worst rolling roadblock goes to Buick. It seems you have to have blue hair or a Viagra prescription just to own one.
As for suggestions in this hit piece of a thread, I think Rajacat walked away with the prize for best post. If people could cut out the stupid behavior that causes trouble, we could skip the arguments about whether or not the trouble exists, and just busy ourselves repairing the damage. Why not strive to minimize our driving by living near work or telecommuting? Why not switch to rooftop solar as an investment in your home without focusing on payback? What's the ROI on a swimming pool? If you feel either of these things is what you should do, then who is justified in telling you otherwise? Why not recycle? Nothing bad comes of it and something good might accrue, if only just you feeling happy with yourself. It feels good to feel good. See the potential for self-perpetuation? Feeling better than yesterday -- every day.
What would that be worth to you? Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution? Is there a third option? Yes, I'm preaching a bit. All in the way of saying, "Why not drive a Prius?". Once you've done so, see how much of the blockage you can dislodge from your evaluation channels while considering its merits. It is a very nice car but it was attacked in the press and other rumor generating public information sources before anyone had even seen it. By the time the Prius became available for purchase, there was a bias established in the mass mind against the car. Unbeknownst to me, I carried that impression about something called a Prius being bad somehow. It wasn't until a friend of mine bought one, that I pushed aside my blockage after having become familiar with his car. It was not long after that when I bought one myself.
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Thread was supposed to be fun.
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Thread was supposed to be fun.
Too many humans in it. :roll: I think I'll exit stage left. Nothing worthwhile any more.
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As a life long "car guy" (my current ride is a Porsche Macan S) I fell into the trap of looking down on the Prius. What a snob! First, the Prius is a very good automobile (what else would you expect from Toyota?), second, it makes a stab at the global problem of emissions based pollution - for those who believe that cars are still a primary planet killer and that owning a "clean" car can make a difference. But mostly, they provide excellent transportation for those hard to understand drivers (the majority) who don't love cars like we do but who rationally consider them useful appliances. I don't love my dishwasher (although I did pick Bosch over GE because - German). There is no good reason for drivers to love their cars (which is not the same as loving what the cars do for them - which is just as true of Prius folks as it is of Porsche fanatics) and those who don't obsess over them may be the saner group anyway. So hats off to the Prius and those who drive them. Now if you would all just learn to, you know, drive.
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My nomination for worst rolling roadblock goes to Buick. It seems you have to have blue hair or a Viagra prescription just to own one.
We were in Florida this winter and heard a piece of advice from someone who'd moved there about 15 years ago. He said ...
Never walk in front of, or behind a Buick in Florida.
I can understand that.
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We were in Florida this winter and heard a piece of advice from someone who'd moved there about 15 years ago. He said ...
Never walk in front of, or behind a Buick in Florida.
I can understand that.
maybe because that guy is usually 80 plus years old on his way to the early bird special.
I hear its meatloaf today :thumb:
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
That's not really fair. I've actually come across more "douche" drivers in Corvettes than Prius'. Not because they're driving slow - just the opposite - from driving too fast, recklessly and dangerously.
I don't own a Prius but have ridden in several. They're very nice cars and are capable of merging into Interstate traffic at appropriate speeds. The same driver who merges at 45mph in a Prius would do so in a more powerful car.
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That's not really fair. I've actually come across more "douche" drivers in Corvettes than Prius'. Not because they're driving slow - just the opposite - from driving too fast, recklessly and dangerously.
As a corvette owner I can say I don't condone that kind of idiocy. That said, there is "douchebaggery" among all makes and models of cars. But high performance cars tend to have the largest share.
Shakey
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That said, there is "douchebaggery" among all makes and models of cars. But high performance cars tend to have the largest share.
I was driving the other day and in a one mile stretch between stoplights a tweaked out mini-truck was ridiculously high speed lane changing. You know, where the car in front of them is braking and if they don't cut into the next lane, there will be an accident. Three times in that one mile I thought I might be involved in a pile up and fiery explosions.
The truck came to a stop at the red light in post position. I was several cars back in another lane. When a police cruiser pulled up to the light two positions back in the right lane, I had a feeling the truck was unaware of him.
When the light turned green, the truck floored it and wildly, uncontrollably fishtailed back and forth across the intersection. Where's a cop when you need one? Right there, baby! Sweet! 8)
Steve
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Well first you have to drink the kool aid and believe in man made global warming. Then, you can go out and buy a Prius.......
Shakey
Hmm... I guess that 95% of the scientific community has drunk the Kool-Aide. :roll: Now if you don't believe in the scientific method, you're going to believe whatever is most convenient for you but any claim to objectivity is thereby forfeited.
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Hmm... I guess that 95% of the scientific community has drunk the Kool-Aide. :roll: Now if you don't believe in the scientific method, you're going to believe whatever is most convenient for you but any claim to objectivity is thereby forfeited.
That is a false narrative arrived at by meticulously selecting certain surveys using murky terminology. Believe what you will, but we'll put it to rest now in this inappropriate forum.
Shakey
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Wow, this diatribe is remarkable. The hybrid automobile is quite a cultural lightning rod for those of a certain mindset. One of my cars is a Lexus ct200h which is basically a Prius in a prom dress. I'm not trying to make any statements about global warming. Rather, I just can't stand the ubiquitous SUV automotive form, I commute 75 miles a day on congested roads, and I like hatchback cars with personality that get great gas mileage. I bought a two year old model that had depreciated enough to offset most of the price premium for buying hybrid technology. It tracks a curvy road with precision and gusto (unlike a Prius) and though it's sure not fast - I still am out ahead of most cars when accelerating from a light. Not that that's any indicator of speed, it's just that here in Florida most people are either old and slow or so distracted by their cell phones they're reluctant to get on with the business of driving once the light turns green. Driving on I-4 (the most dangerous stretch of interstate highway in the USA) I don't really see too many Prius drivers acting like you guys describe in other areas. Every conceivable type of vehicle is in the left lane driving too slow and blocking traffic. I doubt I would buy a ct200h as my only car as it's too small and a little too noisy on really long distance drives, but it's a better quality and very reliable alternative to most commuter cars.
I agree that it is hard to justify the economics of purchasing a hybrid drive train in a new car. I suppose there's no way to put a price tag on feeling righteous :lol: In Toyota's and Lexus's lineups, there's a stiff price premium for the hybrid drive train that would take a great deal of driving to offset with increased fuel savings (at today's USA fuel prices.) With fuel being cheap now, Americans don't want to buy hybrids and you can buy two year old clean used cars just off lease for little more than equivalent all gasoline models here in Florida. That situation would probably change should market forces change and the price of petrol rise back to the four dollar a gallon range.
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Wow, this diatribe is remarkable. The hybrid automobile is quite a cultural lightning rod for those of a certain mindset. One of my cars is a Lexus ct200h which is basically a Prius in a prom dress. I'm not trying to make any statements about global warming. Rather, I just can't stand the ubiquitous SUV automotive form, I commute 75 miles a day on congested roads, and I like hatchback cars with personality that get great gas mileage. I bought a two year old model that had depreciated enough to offset most of the price premium for buying hybrid technology. It tracks a curvy road with precision and gusto (unlike a Prius) and though it's sure not fast - I still am out ahead of most cars when accelerating from a light. Not that that's any indicator of speed, it's just that here in Florida most people are either old and slow or so distracted by their cell phones they're reluctant to get on with the business of driving once the light turns green. Driving on I-4 (the most dangerous stretch of interstate highway in the USA) I don't really see too many Prius drivers acting like you guys describe in other areas. Every conceivable type of vehicle is in the left lane driving too slow and blocking traffic. I doubt I would buy a ct200h as my only car as it's too small and a little too noisy on really long distance drives, but it's a better quality and very reliable alternative to most commuter cars.
I agree that it is hard to justify the economics of purchasing a hybrid drive train in a new car. I suppose there's no way to put a price tag on feeling righteous :lol: In Toyota's and Lexus's lineups, there's a stiff price premium for the hybrid drive train that would take a great deal of driving to offset with increased fuel savings (at today's USA fuel prices.) With fuel being cheap now, Americans don't want to buy hybrids and you can buy two year old clean used cars just off lease for little more than equivalent all gasoline models here in Florida. That situation would probably change should market forces change and the price of petrol rise back to the four dollar a gallon range.
My issue is if you actually do the math and figure out the energy invested combined with environmental factors inherent in battery production + all the other parts required then hybrids may not seem so nice anymore.
Also, if you compare a hybrid vs a typical fuel-efficient small car it doesn't work out so well. For example my friend gets 40 mpg out of his sub $20k Honda Fit. That's not far off hybrid mpg, it's much less expensive and has no batteries to replace.
As far as Prius drivers (not saying I agree, but it is funny)...
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155193/thanks
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Yep. Buy a Prius because it fits your personal needs. Don't buy one because you think it will save the planet. It won't...even if every driver on the planet got one. It is merely an alternative fuel vehicle with some neat tech and other comforts. If that's your thing, that's cool. The rest is 100% marketing and agenda. Please don't spread it.
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I have a Prius, because I commute 80 miles a day when working. It's definitely not a fun car to drive, but it gets the job done. I had a Lexus IS350 prior to this, and it was a blast to drive, when not in traffic. That stiff suspension got old quick, not to mention the premium gas, maintenance, and frequent tire replacements.
By the way-In Los Angeles I find most of the douche bag drivers are in Audi's.
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Hybrid doesn't have to mean slow and boring as shown by Porsche (918), McClaren (P1) Ferrari (LaFerrari) and Bmw (i8) or even all electric as with the Tesla S. I don't care for the Prius because it's looks goofy and is boring, not because it's a hybrid. But I feel the same way about the Camry. Dunno what happened to Toyota. They used to make some damn cool cars, the 2000 GT, the Supra, the Celica GT? But the cars they do make are bombproof, and the people that buy 'em love 'em.
The future is undoubtably electric. The tipping point will come when the battery issue is solved or fuel cell tech perfected. But it will get there. This is just the beginning. Hell when I first started doing digital photo editing, a barely functional computer cost $10K. Now a $2K laptop will smoke it.
Any btw: in that posted pic. That sure looks like a 4th gen Mustang......not a prius.
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My issue is if you actually do the math and figure out the energy invested combined with environmental factors inherent in battery production + all the other parts required then hybrids may not seem so nice anymore.
Also, if you compare a hybrid vs a typical fuel-efficient small car it doesn't work out so well. For example my friend gets 40 mpg out of his sub $20k Honda Fit. That's not far off hybrid mpg, it's much less expensive and has no batteries to replace.
As far as Prius drivers (not saying I agree, but it is funny)...
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155193/thanks
Absolutely no argument with any of that, you are 100% correct IMO. At the time I bought the Lexus, there weren't any small 5 door hatchback alternatives that worked for me. The Prius was ugly and was boring to drive, Audi A3's and VW diesel sport wagons were first choices as far the driver experience but suffered from the German propensity for going back home to the dealer for coddling, and the Mazda 3 hatchback was unrefined. I couldn't find an Acura TSX wagon with low miles within a reasonable distance. Thus the Lexus. Were I to buy again today, the first thing I'd look at would be the Subaru Impreza 5 door for the reasons you state and the fact the new get Imprezas are more refined and evolved cars than the previous generation.
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That is a false narrative arrived at by meticulously selecting certain surveys using murky terminology. Believe what you will, but we'll put it to rest now in this inappropriate forum.
Shakey
Hey Shakey!
There's that polar bear I was taking about :lol:
(http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/06/Facebook_meme_Global_Cooling_11.gif)
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Note: Toyota RAV4 hybrid cost $800 (street pricing) more than a standard RAV4 and it goes from 25 mpg to 32 mpg (according to the EPA).
Agree that global warming is real and that mankind is contributing. Also agree that we must look at the total environmental footprint. Hybrid batteries are very damaging to produce/dispose of. Fuel cells contain rare earth elements and most hydrogen is currently produced from fossil fuels. Hopefully new technology can reduce/eliminate these issues. Obviously fossil fuels are getting harder/more dangerous to obtain/produce/distribute. Home PV solar that can produce hydrogen without use of fossil fuels would be a wonderful solution.
Current technology cannot support long-term a world wide population of more than 2 billion. Best if possible to work from a small, sustainable enclosure. Minimize all travel - especially air travel. Conserve water. Infrastructure will be reduced/decentralized to conserve resources. Reduce face to face interactions to reduce disease transmission. Eat locally produced goods that uses minimal packaging. Minimize purchases, especially of rare or energy intensive to produce materials. Pray that nuclear war never happens. This is the projected future.
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If I ever become transportation czar, I'm banning Prius vehicles...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqY8FUDcATE
...and Prius drivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPZskYKUvY
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I had a Chevy Volt. I thought it was a good idea, as I only drove 30 miles, round-trip to and from work. It's a PHEV (plug in hybrid electric vehicle), with over a 60 mile, all-electric range in summer, but dropping to 40 or so in winter (in CT anyway). The nice thing is you wouldn't have to get gas probably AT ALL during spring/summer/fall. That car was totaled and I now have a Honda Civic hatchback. I get gas every week now. You don't think that's a big deal, but now I'm out in the cold and wet and heat. You don't realize how much getting gas sucks until you go for months without getting gas.
As for global warming, I've not done the research. However, assume there is no global warming, that it's completely made up (and the "there is no global warming" is not financed heavily by the very people -- the oil producers -- who want that message to be communicated), what would be the detriment to believing there is global warming and taking steps to counteract that? Too many renewable energy sources? And if there is a detriment, why wouldn't human ingenuity overcome that detriment?
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Agree that global warming is real and that mankind is contributing. Also agree that we must look at the total environmental footprint. Hybrid batteries are very damaging to produce/dispose of. Fuel cells contain rare earth elements and most is currently produced from fossil fuels. Hopefully new technology can reduce/eliminate these issues. Obviously fossil fuels are getting harder/more dangerous to obtain/produce/distribute. Home PV solar that can produce hydrogen without use of fossil fuels would be a wonderful solution.
Current technology cannot support long-term a world wide population of more than 2 billion. Best if possible to work from a small, sustainable enclosure. Minimize all travel - especially air travel. Conserve water. Infrastructure will be reduced/decentralized to conserve resources. Reduce face to face interactions to reduce disease transmission. Eat locally produced goods that uses minimal packaging. Minimize purchases, especially of rare or energy intensive to produce materials. Pray that nuclear war never happens. This is the projected future.
The most important thing to save the world is for people to stop breeding like cockroaches. We shouldn't have to live like hippies to have a normal life.
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Current technology cannot support long-term a world wide population of more than 2 billion. Best if possible to work from a small, sustainable enclosure. Minimize all travel - especially air travel. Conserve water. Infrastructure will be reduced/decentralized to conserve resources. Reduce face to face interactions to reduce disease transmission. Eat locally produced goods that uses minimal packaging. Minimize purchases, especially of rare or energy intensive to produce materials. Pray that nuclear war never happens. This is the projected future.
This is the truest thing said so far about global warming with respect to the topic. The core of any human-induced global warming stems from industrialization and globalization. Where do your bananas come from? How do they get from there, to your local store, and to your home? Fundamental changes need to be made in how we live on a larger, broader, scale. Hybrids and electric cars will not save the planet, especially when you think about how all cars are made, where those resources come from, how they're shipped all over the globe, etc. etc. It is 100% a marketing facade. Again, buy a hybrid or electric car because it fits your needs. Don't buy one to feel good and falsely try and make others feel guilty for "not saving our future."
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Agree that global warming is real and that mankind is contributing. Also agree that we must look at the total environmental footprint. Hybrid batteries are very damaging to produce/dispose of. Fuel cells contain rare earth elements and most is currently produced from fossil fuels.
Wow. So those that believe that they are part of the solution are actually part of the problem? Many will be disappointed. All I want is to ride in the HOV lane.
And a segment of mankind ( the rich and powerfull) with private jets, yachts, expensive cars and multiple homes that need to be heated and cooled are in the forefront in preaching this religion.
Do they really give a shit or is it about power and control?
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The most important thing to save the world is for people to stop breeding like cockroaches. We shouldn't have to live like hippies to have a normal life.
I believe Europe heeded you call. More Europeans die each day then are born resulting in the influx of migrants/refugees that breed like cockroaches.
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Agree that global warming is real and that mankind is contributing. Also agree that we must look at the total environmental footprint. Hybrid batteries are very damaging to produce/dispose of. Fuel cells contain rare earth elements and most is currently produced from fossil fuels.
Wow. So those that believe that they are part of the solution are actually part of the problem? Many will be disappointed. All I want is to ride in the HOV lane.
And a segment of mankind ( the rich and powerfull) with private jets, yachts, expensive cars and multiple homes that need to be heated and cooled are in the forefront in preaching this religion.
Do they really give a shit or is it about power and control?
Power and control.
I give more a damn about the environment by not littering and trying to recycle/dispose appropriately.
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The most important thing to save the world is for people to stop breeding like cockroaches. We shouldn't have to live like hippies to have a normal life.
I believe Europe heeded you call. More Europeans die each day then are born resulting in the influx of migrants/refugees that breed like cockroaches.
The migrant problem is a separate issue.
We are talking about too many people, limited resources, and the expectation that "we" have to live like hippies as a result to save the environment.
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The core of any human-induced global warming stems from industrialization and globalization.
Human activities contributing to increased CO2 in the oceans and atmosphere started LONG before industrialization. I've read that roughly 50% of human caused carbon displacement occurred before the industrial revolution because so many forest lands have been converted to other uses. For hundreds of years, the air-gas exchange between the oceans and atmosphere that results in CO2 equilibrium delayed human contributions to atmospheric warming.
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If you want to make a difference, buy more locally produced goods. I don't think one has to be a hippie or live like one to do that. Just substitute things you'd normally buy....which would subsequently encourage local economic growth and so on.
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The migrant problem is a separate issue
Maybe in today's times but prior to the current situation, Europe needed migrants to do the menial jobs due a drop in the native population. Marriage and children were so passe. How progressive.
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The migrant problem is a separate issue
Maybe in today's times but prior to the current situation, Europe needed migrants to do the menial jobs due a drop in the native population. Marriage and children were so passe. How progressive.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/only-mass-deportation-can-save-america.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
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Some political and careless comments starting to emerge, this is headed for Quarantine. Please adjust course.
Thank you!
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If you want to make a difference, buy more locally produced goods. I don't think one has to be a hippie or live like one to do that. Just substitute things you'd normally buy....which would subsequently encourage local economic growth and so on.
That's what it sounds like: from talking heads on television, government officials, to some members here on this forum. It's always "we" have to go beyond the normal recycle and conserve to quite frankly be a nanny state to the rest. If you choose to live minimalistically, that's your freedom (as long as your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you).
And quite frankly, I'm surprised to hear that type of conversation from a group of individuals (this forum) who exercise their freedom of expression/speech in a hobby rooted in excess (vinyl/CD collections, expensive equipment, and even dedicate rooms).
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/only-mass-deportation-can-save-america.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
After the very first sentence is where I stop reading.
In the matter of immigration, mark this conservative columnist down as strongly pro-deportation.
I have an issue with ILLEGAL immigration. ILLEGAL.
Control over our borders just like Mexico does by using their military on their southern border.
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Hate and politics are not allowed here. Not so much to ask.
Doc
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Hate and politics are not allowed here. Not so much to ask.
Doc
True.
That goes for my Prius also :thumb:
Happy Fathers Day to all!
over and out.......
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And quite frankly, I'm surprised to hear that type of conversation from a group of individuals (this forum) who exercise their freedom of expression/speech in a hobby rooted in excess (vinyl/CD collections, expensive equipment, and even dedicate rooms).
Well humans have a remarkable capacity to entertain negating viewpoints simultaneously and seek bias confirmation in random data points :lol: We ALL do it in spite of our certainty that we're more rational than other humans. Comments like "I hate people that drive _____ " are often good examples of bias confirmation. I watch myself making judgmental observations about under insured drivers in beat up vehicles driving like maniacs, pickup truck drivers tailgating in rush hour traffic, Chrysler minivan drivers dawdling in the fast lane, etc. Not proud of the fact that I entertain stereotypes, but I have them like everyone. When I really think about the entire range of vehicle/driver types that are guilty of bad highway behavior, any pattern I think I see is probably suspect
I must say though, the environmental impact of the high end audio business is probably a rather minor compared to other mass produced consumer goods that are discarded quickly. Cheap clothes, cheap electronics, kids toys - those much more impactful examples of consumption without regard for other consequences. I think most high end audio equipment is made to last and isn't likely to end up in the landfill within a year like so many consumables.
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Well humans have a remarkable capacity to entertain negating viewpoints simultaneously and seek bias confirmation in random data points :lol: We ALL do it in spite of our certainty that we're more rational than other humans. Comments like "I hate people that drive _____ " are often good examples of bias confirmation. I watch myself making judgmental observations about under insured drivers in beat up vehicles driving like maniacs, pickup truck drivers tailgating in rush hour traffic, Chrysler minivan drivers dawdling in the fast lane, etc. Not proud of the fact that I entertain stereotypes, but I have them like everyone. When I really think about the entire range of vehicle/driver types that are guilty of bad highway behavior, any pattern I think I see is probably suspect
I must say though, the environmental impact of the high end audio business is probably a rather minor compared to other mass produced consumer goods that are discarded quickly. Cheap clothes, cheap electronics, kids toys - those much more impactful examples of consumption without regard for other consequences. I think most high end audio equipment is made to last and isn't likely to end up in the landfill within a year like so many consumables.
Our hobby is rooted in excess: and when I hear/read individuals say things that quite frankly rooted in the opposite of our excess, it's hypocritical of those people. We know that proper electronics will last a while even if you have to rebuild them. But with the language being said from those people, it's not far off from "how dare you have that big house, fancy car, or expensive toy" type thinking.
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I had a Lexus IS350 prior to this, and it was a blast to drive, when not in traffic. That stiff suspension got old quick, not to mention the premium gas, maintenance, and frequent tire replacements.
Hey, that sounds like my '77 Jeep Wagoneer: stiff suspension, bad gas mileage, full time 4-wheel drive so frequent tire replacements but maintenance is practical zero, these Jeeps were built to last.
But this is the only vehicle I have bought in 40 years so the resources I have saved is off the charts. Insurance and tags are cheap, I only drive 6,000 miles a year so I fill up once a week.
And my Jeep is cool, I get compliments and thumbs up a couple of times a day; all the Prius drivers get is hate (poor guys). Maybe Prius drivers give each other thumbs up, or a subtle nod as they pass each other, or maybe a secret Prius wave (similar the the Queen's wave).
And this has been around the internet for a while but the Time cover Emil posted is a fake.
Here is the link explaining it all: http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/ (http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/)
Fake Time cover is on the left:
(http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/06/Facebook_meme_Global_Cooling_11.gif)
The fake cover is a doctored version of this cover, from 2007:
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2007/1101070409_400.jpg)
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Some political and careless comments starting to emerge,
Hate and politics are not allowed here.
That's a separate issue...
(not the private forum thing)
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And this has been around the internet for a while but the Time cover Emil posted is a fake.
Here is the link explaining it all: http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/
Can't be. The internet doesn't lie :icon_lol:
You guys too young to remember when global cooling was a concern in the 70's?
Scared the crap out of me when I was kid
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
1000 thumbs up I live in California and completely concur. On Top Gear they drove a Prius on the track like they stole it and had an M3 follow on its tail. The Prius got 17 mpg and the M3 19 mpg so I think I will keep my M3.
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The battery packs will become land fill one day (for what cannot be recycled) and think of the coal miners with black lung who helped produce the electricity for your Prius. Even if you have solar all you do is put electricity back into the grid you have little choice where your source of electricity comes from. If Prius drivers would just show an ounce of consideration and move out of the fast lane or pull over when on a single lane road when they have 20 cars stuck behind them, there would be a lot less ill will.
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The battery packs will become land fill one day (for what cannot be recycled) and think of the coal miners with black lung who helped produce the electricity for your Prius. Even if you have solar all you do is put electricity back into the grid you have little choice where your source of electricity comes from. If Prius drivers would just show an ounce of consideration and move out of the fast lane or pull over when on a single lane road when they have 20 cars stuck behind them, there would be a lot less ill will.
Don't drive a Prius, but respect the decision to drive them by those that do. As to pulling over to let someone by, I don't do it anymore. I drive the speed limit or a bit over. If someone want to exceed the limit and pulls up on my bumper, all he gets is a tap of my brakes. I don't have to make allowances for others desire to break the law- and there is too much crap on the shoulders to drive there safely.
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I call them *Douche Buggies*. Not in a kind, funny way. :evil:
Here in So Cal, Prius owners feel like they own the road, and will drive their sorry pieces of crap in the fast lane at 55 because they're saving the earth. :cuss:
They pull onto the freeway at full power, going about 45 mph. The problem with that is if you're stuck behind the douche there is a 78-thousand-pound semi-truck bearing down on your ass at 70 mph. Douche Buggy don't care, he's saving the earth. :duh:
Hate is an understatement. 8)
That's the way I feel about ANY car going slower than the flow of traffic in the Fast lane or HOV. Sometimes (seems like fairly frequently) yes it is a Prius.
I call them "Left Lane Enforcers". They think it is their Duty to enforce the speed limit. They cause major traffic problems as they feel great about themselves. Meanwhile, other drivers have to wait for an "exit" to escape the HOV and get around the @#! $!#!.
Trying to get better about staying calm as I drive, but some of these people. Was just driving back from San Diego to SLO County yesterday. What a mess. Encountered several of these Left Lane Enforcers during the drive. :cuss:
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You guys are killing me :icon_lol:
I'm currently doing a defensive driving course to offset a couple of speeding tickets that I have so don't judge a book by it Prius.
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Don't drive a Prius, but respect the decision to drive them by those that do. As to pulling over to let someone by, I don't do it anymore. I drive the speed limit or a bit over. If someone want to exceed the limit and pulls up on my bumper, all he gets is a tap of my brakes. I don't have to make allowances for others desire to break the law- and there is too much crap on the shoulders to drive there safely.
If you are in the left lane, you shouldn't be there...even if you are driving the speed limit or just over.
The left lane is supposed to be for passing.
George
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The left lane is supposed to be for passing.
George
Except if there is HUGE volume on a multi-lane road and things are bogging down. Then ALL lanes should be filled evenly so everyone can move along more quickly and safely.
That rule only applies when it's open and traffic is freely moving at / above the speed limit. A fairly non-exsistent condition here in the LI metro NYC area! :roll:
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I'm very polite and let the speeding cars pass me, one reason is they are no longer on my rear bumper (half the cars on the road look like they have been rear ended) and the second reason is they become cop magnets which keep the police from looking at me.
My best friend drives a Prius, she always uses cruise control (even in the city) because her Prius is so smooth and quiet her speed creeps up and she has gotten a few tickets.
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I just try to remember one thing that's always stuck with me from Bon Bondurant's high performance driving instruction - if someone else has to hit their brakes because of the way you're driving on the highway - you failed the good driver test.
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If you are in the left lane, you shouldn't be there...even if you are driving the speed limit or just over.
The left lane is supposed to be for passing.
George
I don't know if it's changed but when I drove on the London highways 20 years ago, each lane went their own speed, so you got into the one you wanted - for example, 60, 65 and 70mph lanes. The outer (fourth lane) was mainly empty so you could go your "own" speed if it was faster than everyone else which I did. But when you saw in your rearview someone coming fast behind, you pulled in and let them through. Great way of highway driving - not the 'everyone at their own speed in whatever lane' way.
The last time I drove on the highway with my Mom, we had her car full of stuff and so I drove slower in the right lane. She said, "I always drive in the center lane." (Of three lanes) I explained why I was in the right lane. "But I drive in the center lane." "Look, if you want to, I'll pull over and you can drive." "Drive in the center lane!" :banghead:
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This is an audio forum so my solution to the Prius dilemma (don't really want one) vs. saving the environment (I really do want to help) is to take my audio gear off the grid as much as possible. My Vinnie Rossi LIO operates on ultracapacitors and it sounds so good it really makes me feel good about myself.
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If you are in the left lane, you shouldn't be there...even if you are driving the speed limit or just over.
The left lane is supposed to be for passing.
George
Depends on where in the US you drive.
I occasionally travel through Pennsylvania on a two lane interstate called I80. When I come upon a car with PA plates, they will politely move to the right allowing me to pass. But if its a Jersey or New York plates, they ain't movin' fa nuttin'.
Cultural thing I guess.
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This is an audio forum so my solution to the Prius dilemma (don't really want one) vs. saving the environment (I really do want to help) is to take my audio gear off the grid as much as possible. My Vinnie Rossi LIO operates on ultracapacitors and it sounds so good it really makes me feel good about myself.
I heard some staggering statistic on the radio one time where if people (of course not ACer's!) would simply keep their tires inflated properly, the US would save something like 3% of the oil consumed!!! Given half the consumption is by businesses - that's still 2 billion gallons a year! :o
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This is an audio forum so my solution to the Prius dilemma (don't really want one) vs. saving the environment (I really do want to help) is to take my audio gear off the grid as much as possible. My Vinnie Rossi LIO operates on ultracapacitors and it sounds so good it really makes me feel good about myself.
CSI
So you think you have the moral high ground on us? Does the LIO come with solar panel? I didn't think so :lol:
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Don't drive a Prius, but respect the decision to drive them by those that do. As to pulling over to let someone by, I don't do it anymore. I drive the speed limit or a bit over. If someone want to exceed the limit and pulls up on my bumper, all he gets is a tap of my brakes. I don't have to make allowances for others desire to break the law- and there is too much crap on the shoulders to drive there safely.
California law says pull over if you have more than 5 cars behind and you are travelling less than the speed limit. I drive a single lane road that has a speed limit of 55 mph in some parts and 65 mph in most parts. Guess what type of car 9 times out of 10 is driving 40 mph and having motorcycles be forced to pass in the bicycle lane? If a car drives the speed limit, I cannot and would not complain. Like JerryM said, a Prius driver often drives 55 mph in the left lane on the freeway and purposely drives the same pace as the car next to them so nobody can pass and drive the speed limit.
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If you are in the left lane, you shouldn't be there...even if you are driving the speed limit or just over.
The left lane is supposed to be for passing.
George
George,
You are correct it is called the passing lane.
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Here in Florida they've recently made it a traffic offense to drive slow in the left lane. The led message boards on the interstates constantly flash messages to drivers to remind them that the left lane is the passing lane. Can't say it's had much effect on driver behavior yet.
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I am 51 years old and I can say that in all my years of driving since I was 16, I have only seen one driver ever get pulled over and cited for driving too slow. And even then it was only after 7 miles on a single lane road, and when the road went to two lanes he cut into the left lane and got in the way of the cop who had been stuck behind him for 7 miles. There was a string of well over 100 angry drivers. And guess what model of car it was? :duh:
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I must live in a vacuum as I had no idea there were this many people who hated other people simply because they drive a Prius. :scratch:
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I must live in a vacuum as I had no idea there were this many people who hated other people simply because they drive a Prius. :scratch:
Pales in comparison to the number of folks that dislike BMW or VW drivers...
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I do not hate anyone (including those who drive a Prius), I just dislike the behavior of many who choose to drive a Prius based on an established pattern of self indulgent driving patterns. I would dislike someone in a Ferrari too if they chose to be inconsiderate on the road.
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I must live in a vacuum as I had no idea there were this many people who hated other people simply because they drive a Prius. :scratch:
Don't hate anyone for driving a Prius....
.....hate how so many people drive their Priapasus'es (plural).
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I do not hate anyone (including those who drive a Prius), I just dislike the behavior of many who choose to drive a Prius based on an established pattern of self indulgent driving patterns. I would dislike someone in a Ferrari too if they chose to be inconsiderate on the road.
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CSI
So you think you have the moral high ground on us? Does the LIO come with solar panel? I didn't think so :lol:
No. I don't think anyone has the moral high ground because of the car they drive or, obviously, their audio gear. What is becoming painfully obvious to me is that lots of folks have no sense of humor. Alas. But try this on. Imagine you could wave a magic wand and mandate solar panels as the only source of energy for yourself. And all your neighbors. And everyone in your State. And everyone in your part of the country. And everyone in North America. Would it make a difference? No. Why? Because we (you) aren't the problem. Do the math. Then look around the world and find the real polluters (can you spell "China"?). Then figure out how to solve the real problem. It's not a question of moral posturing. It's a question of objective reasoning.
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If you are in the left lane, you shouldn't be there...even if you are driving the speed limit or just over.
The left lane is supposed to be for passing.
George
Not in this state. If I choose to drive in the left hand lane because of the superior road surface, I can do it. If I am running the speed limit or over, I don't feel obligated to move out of a speeders way. Sorry if you don't like it.
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We (American guys) detest any econobox because its a symbol of loss and regret. Loss of earlier, simpler, and more innocent days. When a teenage boy could (afford to) buy and fix up a "classic". When gas was $0.30 a gallon and stations were on every corner. When safety was in the hands of drivers, not on board computers. And of course it goes beyond cars. Before AIDS, terrorism, loss of middle class, exploding cost of healthcare, loss of our own health, political correctness, male dominance, back when America was the moral/military/economic leader of the free world, collapsing infrastructures, all the environmental issues, and the ever increasing rate of change.
We "had it all" but the fossil fuel age is coming to a close and we wasted our advantages on luxuries leaving little for future generations. We turned over our responsibilities for contemporary pleasures, becoming addicted to entertainment while big money took over.
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Not in this state. If I choose to drive in the left hand lane because of the superior road surface, I can do it. If I am running the speed limit or over, I don't feel obligated to move out of a speeders way. Sorry if you don't like it.
The roads are pretty good here in south Jersey, at least in comparison to urban areas, but Route 55 is one long pothole in the right lane. The lane has actually collapsed right where your left wheel tracks, I'm sure it was under engineered, they keep filling it with tar that helps a little for a while. I drive in the left lane at 10 mph over the speed limit, yet still move over for faster traffic. I may not move over as fast as the testosterone infused young men driving 80 and 90 mph want me to, but I move over because it's the rule.
When I encounter someone driving too slow in the left lane and traffic is too heavy to pass on the right, there's a following distance that doesn't piss off the driver in front of you, yet gets in their personal space enough to make them uncomfortable enough to move over. I can't qualify this distance, it just seems right, and works for 80% of the drivers who aren't jerks or oblivious to their surroundings. Many of these distracted folks drive Prius' or other hybrid or electric cars, except for Lexus hybrids, they speed everywhere.
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Let's not forget the typical stupid bumper stickers the typical Prius driver has on their Prius.
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--K6cbonm7--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1395464640706613830.jpg)
(http://www.carcrushing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Prius-Bumper-Stickers-007.jpg)
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Other than the Wiccan stickers (not a fan of any religious mythology), I find most of the endorsed positions positive. Who doesn't support most of the positions on those bumper stickers. I like vegetables, and I support humane meat (I always try to get a clean kill when shooting deer or quail). I want world peace. But plastering my car with stickers isn't my choice of decoration.
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Haters gonna hate
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=prius+hate
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It seems the Prius has become the new Love Bug. But VW Beetles were slow because they were heavy and had no power. Priuses are slow because their drivers have no power in their right feet. :lol:
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I am 51 years old and I can say that in all my years of driving since I was 16, I have only seen one driver ever get pulled over and cited for driving too slow. And even then it was only after 7 miles on a single lane road, and when the road went to two lanes he cut into the left lane and got in the way of the cop who had been stuck behind him for 7 miles. There was a string of well over 100 angry drivers. And guess what model of car it was? :duh:
I've been ticketed twice for going too slow. :D Once I was driving my Father's Porsche and it had a mechanical problem so I had to slow to about 45 on a LA freeway. I was trying to reach the next off ramp but he gave me the ticket anyway. The next time was in a notorious rural speed track and I noticed a cop behind me so I slowed down to just under 45 and and he ticketed me !! He just had to fill his quota. :duh:
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Other than the Wiccan stickers (not a fan of any religious mythology), I find most of the endorsed positions positive. Who doesn't support most of the positions on those bumper stickers. I like vegetables, and I support humane meat (I always try to get a clean kill when shooting deer or quail). I want world peace. But plastering my car with stickers isn't my choice of decoration.
I avoided posting the one's with Pro-Obama/Pro-Clinton/Pro-Bernie/Pro-Democrat/Anti-Bush/Anti-Republican bumper stickers. There are plenty of those. That in itself is another reason to hate Prius's and Prius drivers.
You are free to eat what you want, where you want, how you want, and when you want. But vegetarianism (and some of the other decal's intension's) are an extension of Liberal though.
Wanting World Peace/Anti-War is an extension of Liberal though. Nobody wants war, but that is usually followed by Anti-Military sediment.
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Well, this thread certainly is 'interesting'. First, I wish to state that I have no hatred for Prius drivers; individuals are individuals, and there are assholes in all categories into which one could box a person. I think the worst Kool-Aid one can drink is the belief that problems or solutions are simple. Our species has absolutely contributed to, and is accelerating climate change (which is a more complex issue than simply warming), which is not equivalent to saying that we caused it. Our species has literally transformed this planet and I can't imagine there is anyone in this thread who would deny that obvious fact – forests didn't evolve into cities of steel, concrete and hydro-carbons, crawling with millions of boxes that burn fossil fuels in order to move. It is a problem. It is serious. It needs a solution. The Prius is an interesting solution, but it's not as positive as it appears on the surface. Ultimately, batteries are not the way forward, but they were a great first step.
It should be noted that about a fifth of an automobile's total emissions (average) have already been released before it's driven off the lot. Batteries require mining for nickel, lithium, and other rare-earth metals, leading inexorably to pollution (from a collection hazard standpoint, it's not much different from drilling for oil). Most such materials are sourced from China, where environmental restrictions are (for now, anyway) much looser. That's not good, as it results in aggressive methods of extraction with far greater environmental impact. Hybrids also belch ten times the amount of sulfur oxide as a conventional gasoline auto, while their carbon dioxide emissions aren't even cut in half (not close). Even worse, for numerous reasons, the energy cost in producing a hybrid is considerably greater than that of a conventional car.
I think the Prius deserves recognition as a great first attempt. Toyota not only proved that there were ways to address the issue, but that there was a market for such a product. In the same way, I view the Tesla as a great second step, but it's still burdened with those awful batteries. Why not ditch both fossil fuels and batteries? Honda's Clarity utilizes a hydrogen fuel cell to produce the electricity. It's still not perfect, (hydrogen is plentiful enough; it's just stuck really firmly to other elements) but I believe we can develop the technology which will solve the problems we created. Already, it requires no more energy (per mile driven) to separate hydrogen from oxygen than it does to produce gasoline.
The biggest problem is one of attitude. Unless we acknowledge our role in the problems we face, how will we ever find the motivation to solve them? This isn't a partisan issue, but it's definitely a parochial one; it affects the whole planet – the home we all share. Human Mediated Climate Change isn't Kool-Aid; it's a fact that science has exposed. Facts do not care about our opinions, which is a fact that makes the wrong opinion deadly.
(soapbox dismounted - apology issued)
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I've been ticketed twice for going too slow. :D Once I was driving my Father's Porsche and it had a mechanical problem so I had to slow to about 45 on a LA freeway. I was trying to reach the next off ramp but he gave me the ticket anyway. The next time was in a notorious rural speed track and I noticed a cop behind me so I slowed down to just under 45 and and he ticketed me !! He just had to fill his quota. :duh:
To collect and deter... sorry those do not sound like justified citations.
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Vegetarian = Indian word for bad hunter
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It's too bad that there aren't more women audiophiles (if there is such a thing) on this forum for a little more diversity. I know of only one woman here. It is obvious that 90% of the posters are angry middle aged and older men. It's amazing to see so much hostility focused on the poor Prius driver. I find that slow drivers in the fast lane drive all sorts of cars, RV's and trucks but that doesn't fit neatly into a cultural prejudice slot. That slot encompasses a whole bunch of horribles including vegetarianism, environmentalism, etc.
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It's too bad that there aren't more women audiophiles (if there is such a thing) on this forum for a little more diversity. I know of only one woman here. It is obvious that 90% of the posters are angry middle aged and older men. It's amazing to see so much hostility focused on the poor Prius driver. I find that slow drivers in the fast lane drive all sorts of cars, RV's and trucks but that doesn't fit neatly into a cultural prejudice slot. That slot encompasses a whole bunch of horribles including vegetarianism, environmentalism, etc.
If the "poor" Prius driver was considerate, and would not enforce a 55 MPH pace in the left lane on a 65 MPH freeway with miles of open roadway ahead of them, then there would be no hostility. When stopped in a long string of slow traffic on the freeway, my wife assumes it is either an accident or a self indulgent Prius driver. She is neither middle aged nor angry.
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Love my Prius. Had it for 6 years. Would definitely buy another one. :thumb:
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We (American guys) detest any econobox because its a symbol of loss and regret. Loss of earlier, simpler, and more innocent days. When a teenage boy could (afford to) buy and fix up a "classic". When gas was $0.30 a gallon and stations were on every corner.
The price of gas really hasn't changed so much ....
https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-915-march-7-2016-average-historical-annual-gasoline-pump-price-1929-2015
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The price of gas really hasn't changed so much ....
https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-915-march-7-2016-average-historical-annual-gasoline-pump-price-1929-2015
Don't forget those taxes...
https://inflationdata.com/articles/2014/08/20/gasoline-taxes-state/
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If the "poor" Prius driver was considerate, and would not enforce a 55 MPH pace in the left lane on a 65 MPH freeway with miles of open roadway ahead of them, then there would be no hostility. When stopped in a long string of slow traffic on the freeway, my wife assumes it is either an accident or a self indulgent Prius driver. She is neither middle aged nor angry.
Is that really your experience? Where all of these slow Prius drivers when I'm out on the road? Unless this is a very recent development, I just don't see it. Up until a year ago my job had me driving a minimum of 500 miles a week and I don't recall one time where I thought that slow MF in the fast lane's in a Prius. And to get my work done from one location to another I spent a lot of time in the fast lane.
My 86-year-old dad drives a Prius, so maybe it's him you're seeing. His driving habits have zero to do with the model car he drives.
ANd while we're bitching, WTF happened to this page?
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And while we're bitching, WTF happened to this page?
Someone thought it would be a good idea to upload a 2000px x 1333px photo.
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If the "poor" Prius driver was considerate, and would not enforce a 55 MPH pace in the left lane on a 65 MPH freeway with miles of open roadway ahead of them,...
This is just angry bullshit.
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Vegetarian = Indian word for bad hunter
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
...funny but true :thumb:
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We all know that everyone's experiences, as stated here, should be taken as nothing more than anecdotal info until someone publishes an in-depth study on the topic. And if you have a Prius and are a good driver, then obviously much of what has been said here doesn't apply to you. Start a thread on the distracted, SUV-driving, soccer parent if you want. I'm sure that thread will get a mix of funny, serious, and crude anecdotal responses too. I think some of us just like to bash the bad Prius driver as a scapegoat. More often than not, the bad drivers (I've seen) are driving all types of cars...usually not even hybrids. It is the self-righteousness of the few Prius drivers that give all Prius drivers a bad rap, unfortunately.
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We all know that everyone's experiences, as stated here, should be taken as nothing more than anecdotal info until someone publishes an in-depth study on the topic. And if you have a Prius and are a good driver, then obviously much of what has been said here doesn't apply to you. Start a thread on the distracted, SUV-driving, soccer parent if you want. I'm sure that thread will get a mix of funny, serious, and crude anecdotal responses too. I think some of us just like to bash the bad Prius driver as a scapegoat. More often than not, the bad drivers (I've seen) are driving all types of cars...usually not even hybrids. It is the self-righteousness of the few Prius drivers that give all Prius drivers a bad rap, unfortunately.
Studies can be biased, especially when they are conducted or concluded by the type of person who has an agenda (who drives or endorses said subject matter vehicle).
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These images are way too small for my bigly YUGE monitor.
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WC, please delete the pics, now we have the yuge pic on the top of another page! :evil:
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I was trying to make a point in this pointless thread. :lol:
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I was trying to make a point in this pointless thread. :lol:
I agree,it hard to teach a 50 year old men not to judge a book by it covers. :duh: :duh:
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Studies can be biased, especially when they are conducted or concluded by the type of person who has an agenda (who drives or endorses said subject matter vehicle).
Real studies are about data collection and report. How the data is reinterpreted to support an agenda is something else entirely. By now, due to how our "news" is reported to us on a daily basis, I hope that at least some of us understand the need to often dig further for information versus taking what we're given as verbatim.
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Real studies are about data collection and report. How the data is reinterpreted to support an agenda is something else entirely. By now, due to how our "news" is reported to us on a daily basis, I hope that at least some of us understand the need to often dig further for information versus taking what we're given as verbatim.
"Conducted" can be biased as well. If you go to an area that has more Prius's and ask questions about them, you will get data biased towards it.
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I was trying to make a point in this pointless thread. :lol:
What was the pic?
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What was the pic?
You posted it.
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You posted it.
What was W.C.'s pic?
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"Conducted" can be biased as well. If you go to an area that has more Prius's and ask questions about them, you will get data biased towards it.
OK....you still understand my point and that's all that is necessary. We don't need to expound on the details of a non-existent study nor its non-existent data nor its non-existent criteria.
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OK....you still understand my point and that's all that is necessary. We don't need to expound on the details of a non-existent study nor its non-existent data nor its non-existent criteria.
Let's get back to the subject in hand...
...can we make the Prius non-existent?
:green:
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Let's get back to the subject in hand...
...can we make the Prius non-existent?
:green:
We got one (the V wagon) at work a few months ago because it's a long-distance daily driver. It's a wonderful drive and gets great mileage.
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This is just angry bullshit.
No this is an observation of what I have experienced driving the California roads. The majority of times there is a traffic slowdown when an inconsiderate driver refuses to move over and yield to drivers who want to do faster, said driver is often in a Prius. More so than any other model car. To the point my wife and I laugh when we come up to a length of cars and say it must be a Prius up ahead. I drive the speed limit (or a little above) and I will move over if a driver comes up behind me and wants to pass.
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Is that really your experience? Where all of these slow Prius drivers when I'm out on the road? Unless this is a very recent development, I just don't see it. Up until a year ago my job had me driving a minimum of 500 miles a week and I don't recall one time where I thought that slow MF in the fast lane's in a Prius. And to get my work done from one location to another I spent a lot of time in the fast lane.
My 86-year-old dad drives a Prius, so maybe it's him you're seeing. His driving habits have zero to do with the model car he drives.
ANd while we're bitching, WTF happened to this page?
I live near Monterey and people often joke that this is the land of the newly wed or nearly dead. The Prius phenomena I have experienced has nothing to do with age demographics.
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Could it be that Prius has become a buzz word that elicits all sorts presumptions about the drivers that may or may not be true? Has anybody noticed speeding, tailgating Prius drivers? Probably not because it doesn't fit into their preconceptions.
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"I live near Monterey and people often joke that this is the land of the newly wed or nearly dead. The Prius phenomena I have experienced has nothing to do with age demographics. "
Monterey is a great place. Never noticed the Prius problems when we visited. Did see a Young Chinese man with the absolute largest bag of BBQ potato chips I have ever seen.
Did I forget to signal that left turn I just made in this thread?
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In one now in Calgary. Cab. Traffic anyway so I don't notice it as slow.
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Could it be that Prius has become a buzz word that elicits all sorts presumptions about the drivers that may or may not be true? Has anybody noticed speeding, tailgating Prius drivers? Probably not because it doesn't fit into their preconceptions.
................and with that being said I got stuck behind one today on my drive to upstate NY, 10 mph under the speed limit (sunshine, dry pavement) , nobody would pass him, had three other vehicles between my self and the Prius. Finally after ten miles we got to a passing zone and got by , grrrrrrrrrrr. Oh yeah, he had the obligatory Obama / Hilary sticker on the back as well !
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(http://www.50-best.com/images/funny_photos/obama_sticker_on_prius.jpg)
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Prius spray-painted with angry messages in Oregon, owners told to 'Go back to California'
The scream of the '90s is alive in Portland.
Two recently relocated Californians awoke to a not-so-warm welcome Sunday morning, as they discovered that someone had left anti-Golden State golden statements all over their Toyota Prius and home.
"I woke up this morning, drinking a cup of coffee, and looked out at our bright yellow door to see a not very nice message," Preston Page told KOIN, he and partner Jessica Faraday's new residence and vehicle plastered with glittery spray-painted warnings such as "Get California out of Portland" and "Move back."
The Prius had also been gouged with a set of car keys.
Page and Faraday moved to Northeast Portland from Southern California about four months ago.
According to Page, they had just finished painting their new home two weeks before this incident.
"I'm definitely surprised someone would go this far," he said.
Though they're unsure of who exactly tagged their Prius and their pad, Page thinks the vandalism may have some connection to a road rage incident that took place the day before the damage.
Apparently Page had momentarily blocked the narrow street with his Prius while dropping off Faraday in front of their house.
When a driver was unable to get by, he took note of the hybrid car's out-of-state plates and yelled that they should go back to California.
The couple filed a police report but remain upbeat about "Stumptown."
"Portland is fantastic. You can't argue with this place," Page said.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3298024.1499110034!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/lvcali4n.jpg)
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It's just jealousy. People own a home in CA, sell it for a fortune, then move somewhere else. They then buy a better home for a fraction of what they sold their CA home for. Money left over for a new car(s), whatever.
I saw the interview with one of the CA expatriates. Looked to be really nice. Definitely an asset to Portland, unlike the loser that trashed their vehicle and home. :nono:
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You must see Portlandia!!
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But would I still be able to use the HOV lane?
http://www.thedrive.com/tuned-af/12476/these-guys-are-swapping-a-1000-hp-hellcat-engine-into-a-prius-because-why-not
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19400210_1629824453694779_6168068996986641921_o.jpg?oh=60c9de249ac045f84712bb5d67f69aa2&oe=5A100A9B)
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Let's get back to the subject in hand...
...can we make the Prius non-existent?
:green:
I hope you don't need this pointed out to you but your comments would indicate that an important consideration has escaped your notice. The Prius is an inanimate object (like a gun) and therefore it must be noted that Prius cars do not go slow in any lane -- their drivers do.
Are you assuming that those drivers would change their habits if they owned a different car?
Out here in cowboy country, the worst offenders are the geezers who always drive slow on business corridors as if they were in a parade. They will drive the entire length of Patterson Ave. in the fast lane at 25 - 30 mph. If you want to take advantage of the 35 mph limit (some stretches 45) you'll have to pass him on the right. This is 2 or 3 lanes in each direction for about 10 miles. I think getting stuck behind one of these anachronistic yahoos would piss you off just as much as a Prius does.
In order to grasp what has happened with the Prius, you should recognize this: It's announcement was heavy with foreboding for the oil companies, domestic car manufacturers and other unspecified entities. In response, they lobbied their media puppets to generate doubt about the merits of the Prius years before they became common on our streets. Low info types ( Bose buyers) of the world adopted and repeated these fallacies as if they had some knowledge the rest of us were missing. Net result is the bias you have in your mind now. This whole thread is a testimony to the effectiveness of their efforts. In much the same way, I encounter negatives about horn based loudspeakers because of reviews in High Fidelity magazine and Stereo Review 35 years ago. If something can be implanted via sufficient repetition, it may well become common knowledge ............. even though it is dead wrong.
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I was cut off twice in the last two weeks by aggressively driving Prius drivers, and I don't drive slow. Go figure.
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I was cut off twice in the last two weeks by aggressively driving Prius drivers, and I don't drive slow. Go figure.
They read this thread and are pissed off. :lol:
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Years ago when we were having a "gas crises" the speed limits were moved down to 55 mph for a while. My next-door neighbor bragged about driving from So Cal to Las Vegas IN THE FAST LANE and never exceeding the limit. He said he lost count of the number of drivers who passed him on the right and flipped him off. I asked him why on earth he didn't move over. He said, "I was driving fast enough!" This kind of idiocy is still common. No sense of courtesy, and absolutely no sense of normal traffic flow (engineers study traffic flow and THEN set the limits within the range of the law). CHP guys understand this and won't usually ticket a "speeder" unless he is out there hot dogging it by himself and/or pushing up toward triple digits.
So it ain't the Prius, it's the dumb, smug, self-righteous driver. Although that kind of driver may gravitate toward a Prius.
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But would I still be able to use the HOV lane?
http://www.thedrive.com/tuned-af/12476/these-guys-are-swapping-a-1000-hp-hellcat-engine-into-a-prius-because-why-not
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19400210_1629824453694779_6168068996986641921_o.jpg?oh=60c9de249ac045f84712bb5d67f69aa2&oe=5A100A9B)
What a waste of an engine.
It reminds me of the Bisimoto Honda Odyssey with 1029 HP; fast but no work on the suspension, handling, or braking makes useless.
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Not sure how it measures up right now, but the Prius had one of the lowest drag co-effiency numbers out there a few years ago. From what little I bothered to read, it appears that all they are using is the Prius body. Maybe that explains the thinking behind the project.
Another thing to consider about that Prius driver is he may be old. He may be in no hurry. He may be pissing you off because he is doing the speed limit where and when you want to break the law. Maybe he's just not a gambler.
Or maybe you need to listen to yourself. He's in your way. Your way? It's a public roadway that belongs to all of us.
Maybe you need to chill. This is really all about you wanting your way and complaining about it not going your way, your way, your way.
I'm going to write you a prescription for guided meditation. You need to chill. Try leaving enough time so you can absorb the inevitable delay, whether it's Prius caused or the result of being pulled over for speeding.
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I hope you don't need this pointed out to you but your comments would indicate that an important consideration has escaped your notice. The Prius is an inanimate object (like a gun) and therefore it must be noted that Prius cars do not go slow in any lane -- their drivers do.
Are you assuming that those drivers would change their habits if they owned a different car?
Out here in cowboy country, the worst offenders are the geezers who always drive slow on business corridors as if they were in a parade. They will drive the entire length of Patterson Ave. in the fast lane at 25 - 30 mph. If you want to take advantage of the 35 mph limit (some stretches 45) you'll have to pass him on the right. This is 2 or 3 lanes in each direction for about 10 miles. I think getting stuck behind one of these anachronistic yahoos would piss you off just as much as a Prius does.
In order to grasp what has happened with the Prius, you should recognize this: It's announcement was heavy with foreboding for the oil companies, domestic car manufacturers and other unspecified entities. In response, they lobbied their media puppets to generate doubt about the merits of the Prius years before they became common on our streets. Low info types ( Bose buyers) of the world adopted and repeated these fallacies as if they had some knowledge the rest of us were missing. Net result is the bias you have in your mind now. This whole thread is a testimony to the effectiveness of their efforts. In much the same way, I encounter negatives about horn based loudspeakers because of reviews in High Fidelity magazine and Stereo Review 35 years ago. If something can be implanted via sufficient repetition, it may well become common knowledge ............. even though it is dead wrong.
There are many reasons to hate the Prius car...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F04MXepYiBs
There are many more reasons to hate the Prius driver...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIN7Vc9rmaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsAti31IlJY
Most of us are not against fuel efficient cars. The Prius isn't one we will buy.
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Around here you could say just about anything about Prius drivers and it would be true. The Prius is by far the most popular car on the road. Car going slow in the fast lane? Since most of the cars are Prius(s?) a Prius is probably the one going slow. Someone barreling down on you? Probably a Prius. Someone just pulled out in front of you? Probably a Prius. That car next to you? Probably a Prius. The car you're driving? Probably a Prius. :lol:
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The Prius is by far the most popular car on the road.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. While it might possibly be the most popular HYBRID automobile on the road, it has not been in the top twenty (or top fifty?) auto sales and registration in any year.
If a car is going slow in the fast lane, is barreling down on you, pulls out in front of you or is next to you, the safe bet is that it's NOT a Prius!
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The Prius is by far the most hated car on the road.
Fixed.
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Years ago when we were having a "gas crises" the speed limits were moved down to 55 mph for a while. My next-door neighbor bragged about driving from So Cal to Las Vegas IN THE FAST LANE and never exceeding the limit. He said he lost count of the number of drivers who passed him on the right and flipped him off. I asked him why on earth he didn't move over. He said, "I was driving fast enough!" This kind of idiocy is still common. No sense of courtesy, and absolutely no sense of normal traffic flow (engineers study traffic flow and THEN set the limits within the range of the law). CHP guys understand this and won't usually ticket a "speeder" unless he is out there hot dogging it by himself and/or pushing up toward triple digits.
So it ain't the Prius, it's the dumb, smug, self-righteous driver.
I have a family member who drives like this! My guess is it makes him feel empowered in a passive aggressive way, and gets his jollies by pissing off other drivers.
I'm from NJ and if your not doing 80+ mph Da Boyz will run you down, and plant your slow a$$ in a shallow grave in the Pine Barrens. A few years back we went to Phoenix to visit my in-laws. The flight was delayed, the rental agent took too long, and we were late for dinner. So I'm doin' the Turnpike shuffle, flipping off a few slow pokes, and aggressively pushing others around. Hey we're late and I'm hungry so Get Out Of My Way! Then my wife kindly reminds me Arizona is a concealed weapons state. I'm like "so that guy in the Malibu is probably carrying and isn't afraid to use it? Yep! We were late for dinner!
Chris
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion. While it might possibly be the most popular HYBRID automobile on the road, it has not been in the top twenty (or top fifty?) auto sales and registration in any year.
If a car is going slow in the fast lane, is barreling down on you, pulls out in front of you or is next to you, the safe bet is that it's NOT a Prius!
Where I live it is. When I'm on the local roads there's always at least 3 that are close by.
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What a waste of an engine.
It reminds me of the Bisimoto Honda Odyssey with 1029 HP; fast but no work on the suspension, handling, or braking makes useless.
The Honda is not a very good example to use here as I'm quite positive they did rework the suspension, handling, and braking. That was kind of the point of it. Watch videos if it. Then watch videos of a regular Odyssey and you'll quickly see. But anyway...I get what you're saying. People do silly stuff with cars, houses, boats, weapons, audio gear, just because they can, NOT because it makes sense.
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AWD Prius!
Second motor in the back to drive to rear wheels. Cool :thumb:
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/12/2019-toyota-prius-awd-e-review-first-drive/
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That is prety cool, Emil. Now if they could just wrap it in something a bit nicer in the style department.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=188326)
Just never cared for the Prius body style. Too many angles, not enough curves.
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/05/10/only-in-la-environmentally-conscious-criminal-caught-on-video-shooting-at-police-from-a-toyota-prius/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1126968968718180352/P43uifaH?format=jpg&name=600x314)
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crazy stuff for sure, sadly there exists a group of people that probably believe that individual could be rehabilitated, not me, I say get rid of the garbage.
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sad.... :popcorn:
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Lot of hate in this thread. Lot of wasted energy. Sad
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There is a lot of expressed and repressed anger in the USA right now.
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There is a lot of expressed and repressed anger in the USA right now.
tru dat
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Prius is a step in the right direction. Tesla model 3 is the jump to the right solution, particularly in stop and go traffic. In Calif., you get to drive in the bus/carpool lane with an electric.
Instead of burning gas while parked on the freeway, the Tesla will only be warming or cooling the passengers, not using hardly any power for movement. It will also creep and steer automatically, freeing you to relax. 320 mile range. It's the best solution for the planet, given that 50% of the CO2 emissions is from vehicles and the other 50% is from power plants.
In NY, your should care about the more frequent and more intense hurricanes. These will only get worse as long as you drive ICE.
Steve N.
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No hate... but driving is a necessity I prefer to enjoy it as much as possible, and for me, more exhilarating performance is more enjoyable ;)
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IMG_20190416_142435 (https://flic.kr/p/2fuodQJ) by Barry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/20967309@N06/), on Flickr
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Nice 300ZX! I drove one of those back in the late 80's (roommate's girlfriend) and thought it was an excellent sports car.
I can envision a time (5 years?) where the bulk of our household fleet will be EV.
I will still likely own an ICE car. Currently really happy with the CLK500 I picked up a a few years ago.
Wanted to own another V8 before they are outlawed forever.
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It's the best solution for the planet, given that 50% of the CO2 emissions is from vehicles and the other 50% is from power plants.
Not entirely true... https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions, and electric vehicles need to get their power from something, so those emissions from the power plants would be less if they weren't generating power for electric cars.
We need to better job harnessing the biggest energy source at our disposal... the Sun.