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Title: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 05:59 pm
Discussion thread for the Bryston  BDA-2 DAC

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68758)

BDA-2 FEATURES:
• Dual 32Bit AKM DAC’s
• Independent Dual Power Supplies
• Discrete Class A analog output stage
• Oversampling
• Synchronous upsampling (176.4K/192K)
• Selectable upsampling feature
• Independent Analog and Digital signal paths
• USB (1), COAX (2), OPTICAL (2), AES-EBU (1) BNC (2) inputs
• 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176, 192K sampling
• 16-24Bit, 44K-192K PCM and USB
• Fully Differential Balanced XLR and Unbalanced RCA Stereo outputs.
• Transformer coupled SPDIF and AES EBU

Digital inputs.
• SPDIF COAX Bypass Loop Output
• RS-232 software upgrade
• Optional Remote Control
• Remote 12 Volt Trigger
• Compatible with CD Drives, Sound Cards, Computers, Music Servers.
• Cosmetically matches C-Series

New asynchronous USB input capable of 192/24bit resolution.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Oct 2012, 06:07 pm
James from your posts in the other thread.  This should answer many questions.

"New BDA-2 (BDA-1 stays in the line)


$2395 List USA

james"

"The Chip set in the BDA2 is capable of DSD but the software is not done yet.

james"


"Hi Ron,

No CD transport planned at this point.  We are looking at adding a CD optical drive to be used with our BDP-2 Digital player.

james"

"Hi Bob,

The new AKM chips preform at about the same level but 32 bits seems to be the new direction so we feel it is the better option going forward.

The prices are close ($200) but my intention is to leave the BDA-1 in the line because unless you want to use your laptop computer into the BDA (because the new USB has asynchronous 192/24 capability) there is no need to spend the extra money.  Also if you are using the BDA-1 with our BDP digital player there is no need for the BDA 2.

As well we will be releasing a USB Interface for BDA-1 owners which will allow them to use the new USB 192/24 feature with their BDA-1.

james"
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 06:11 pm
MEMO: To all Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player


October 2012


It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product.

The BDP-2 Digital Player was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata internal harddrive capability, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP-1 in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purist" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 external DAC the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is also possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software). 

We will also be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 USB capability. 

Hope this helps.


James Tanner
Bryston
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: klao on 4 Oct 2012, 03:00 am
Are the 32/192 chips: AK4397 ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 4 Oct 2012, 11:57 am
Are the 32/192 chips: AK4397 ?

I think its AKM4399... :scratch:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 4 Oct 2012, 04:39 pm
Hi James,

What exactly do you mean with this? Bypass Loop Output...?
Wouldn't be an optional double balanced output, to go into the BP26 and the BHA1?
Which would be kind of wonderful.

Marius


Digital inputs.
• SPDIF COAX Bypass Loop Output

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 4 Oct 2012, 05:06 pm
Hi James,

What exactly do you mean with this? Bypass Loop Output...?
Wouldn't be an optional double balanced output, to go into the BP26 and the BHA1?
Which would be kind of wonderful.

Marius

Could be wrong but believe it means that if you use the DAC with a HT Receiver and a DVD Player, for example, you can put the output of the DVD Player into the DAC and loop it out for the HT Receiver to decode
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: ChrisBo on 5 Oct 2012, 01:57 am
Great News! I saw this at the Toronto show and I'm looking forward to adding one to my current set up ... James when will these be shipping?

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 02:21 am
Great News! I saw this at the Toronto show and I'm looking forward to adding one to my current set up ... James when will these be shipping?

Thanks

Hi

Shooting for the end of October.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: kuan on 5 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
Any idea the model number of the ATOM processor?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
Are the 32/192 chips: AK4397 ?


HI

AK4399, a newer version of the 4397.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
Great,

including native hardware DSD support! http://www.akm.com/datasheets/ak4399_f03e.pdf

Didn't you state you would have to rely on software DSD decoding James? If so, why not use the Hardware decoding options of this chip?
 
Quote
"DSD capability is also possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software).  "
Marius


HI

AK4399, a newer version of the 4397.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 11:45 am
Great,

including native hardware DSD support! http://www.akm.com/datasheets/ak4399_f03e.pdf

Didn't you state you would have to rely on software DSD decoding James? If so, why not use the Hardware decoding options of this chip?
 Marius

We are listening to both and deciding.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
 :thumb:
waiting patiently for the upgrade.


James, please comment the Bypass Loop output?

Marius

We are listening to both and deciding.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm
:thumb:
waiting patiently for the upgrade.


James, please comment the Bypass Loop output?

Marius

It just feeds out whatever comes in untouched.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: budt on 5 Oct 2012, 01:49 pm
  When is Bryston expecting this to come to market( I don't want to sell my bda-1 too soon).
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 02:17 pm
  When is Bryston expecting this to come to market( I don't want to sell my bda-1 too soon).

I would say give it 60-90 days as the orders are piling up already.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Vipers on 9 Oct 2012, 08:51 am
Add my order to the growing list James, hopefully an early Christmas present?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 9 Oct 2012, 01:26 pm
James,

Is the design already definitive? Otherwise I would beg you to have a second balanced and rca out, to feed both the BDA and the BHA simultaneoulsy with the same and undivided output, thus preventing the hassle with cable splitters and diminished sound quality because of that.

Marius

It just feeds out whatever comes in untouched.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mrhyfy on 9 Oct 2012, 01:40 pm
Well now,,,if we're offering suggestions,,,how about a built in analogue remote volume control??? :D :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: konut on 9 Oct 2012, 02:36 pm
That would seal the deal for me! And while your at it throw in an analog input.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 9 Oct 2012, 06:29 pm
Ordered a set from Lyric Hifi Norway , hope it arives before christmas  :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: budt on 11 Oct 2012, 03:53 am
  I'll be ordering mine tomorrow or early next week. I hope it arrives before xmas.....
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2012, 11:32 am
  I'll be ordering mine tomorrow or early next week. I hope it arrives before xmas.....

Hi Guys,

We will certainly try our best and from what I am seeing in production we should be fine.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Vipers on 13 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
James,

Is the design already definitive? Otherwise I would beg you to have a second balanced and rca out, to feed both the BDA and the BHA simultaneoulsy with the same and undivided output, thus preventing the hassle with cable splitters and diminished sound quality because of that.

Marius

I definitely echo Marius comments above, I've already had one customer asking me how he is supposed to implement the BHA-1 into his 100% Bryston system in a balanced configuration, which is something I'm going to look at tomorrow as I try to fit the BHA-1 into my system, having a second balanced out of the BDA-2 would be a real bonus though.

Thanks,
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Oct 2012, 12:21 pm
I definitely echo Marius comments above, I've already had one customer asking me how he is supposed to implement the BHA-1 into his 100% Bryston system in a balanced configuration, which is something I'm going to look at tomorrow as I try to fit the BHA-1 into my system, having a second balanced out of the BDA-2 would be a real bonus though.

Thanks,

Hi,

It would have to be totally redesigned so not something we can easily do.  I use the TAPE OUTS (RCA) from the preamp and that works very well as all sources going through your preamp are available to the headphones.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Vipers on 15 Oct 2012, 10:40 am
Hi,

It would have to be totally redesigned so not something we can easily do.  I use the TAPE OUTS (RCA) from the preamp and that works very well as all sources going through your preamp are available to the headphones.

james

Hi James, Yes I guess that would work, would have been nice to keep everything balanced though, maybe for the BDA-3?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
Hi Folks

Been playing around with the BDA-2 USB asynchronous input using a variety of files up to 192/24.

I have tried it with my PC using JRiver and Media Monkey as well as my MAC laptop using Amarra and Pure Music.

Any other programs I should try?

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
Sure, Audirvana +
Hi Folks

Been playing around with the BDA-2 USB asynchronous input using a variety of files up to 192/24.

I have tried it with my PC using JRiver and Media Monkey as well as my MAC laptop using Amarra and Pure Music.

Any other programs I should try?

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
Sure, Audirvana +

Hi Marius,

What do you like about Audirvana? 

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 02:36 pm
Hi James,

Just  about everything: it works flawlessly , looks nice enough, sounds amazing, even on my MacBook , plays anything, native Dsd decoding, uses the industry 'best' algorithm, izotope src, doesn't need iTunes but can integrate as a frontend, much nicer and more robust than puremusic I find. To top it all, it's rather inexpensive....

What's not to like in fact.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

What do you like about Audirvana? 

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 03:20 pm
Hi James,

Just  about everything: it works flawlessly , looks nice enough, sounds amazing, even on my MacBook , plays anything, native Dsd decoding, uses the industry 'best' algorithm, izotope src, doesn't need iTunes but can integrate as a frontend, much nicer and more robust than puremusic I find. To top it all, it's rather inexpensive....

What's not to like in fact.

Cheers,
Marius

OK - I will give it a try.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 03:30 pm
thought you already had, no good experience in that circumstance ?

Hi Marius,

Going to try Audirvana next.

james


OK - I will give it a try.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bobNL on 21 Oct 2012, 04:20 pm
Hi Marius,

Am I right that it is Mac only?

Bob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Wim J on 21 Oct 2012, 04:25 pm
I also think I will buy the BDA-2 to match my BDP1 en BCD1.  I also think the BDA2 is an upgrade over the onboard dac in the BCD1 (essentially a BDA1?).
Any idea when the BDA2 will be available in Europe ( Belgium)?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 04:27 pm
thought you already had, no good experience in that circumstance ?

Tried it but only had a day or two with it and did not have the other Pure Music and Amarra to compare.

Just downloaded it so have all 3 now to play around with.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 04:29 pm
I also think I will buy the BDA-2 to match my BDP1 en BCD1.  I also think the BDA2 is an upgrade over the onboard dac in the BCD1 (essentially a BDA1?).
Any idea when the BDA2 will be available in Europe ( Belgium)?

Hi

We start production at the end of this month.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 04:48 pm
Tried it but only had a day or two with it and did not have the other Pure Music and Amarra to compare.

Just downloaded it so have all 3 now to play around with.  :thumb:

James

Great, please let us know your findings
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 04:49 pm
Hi Marius,

Am I right that it is Mac only?

Bob

Believe so.
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: techguy on 22 Oct 2012, 04:26 pm
Hi Folks

Been playing around with the BDA-2 USB asynchronous input using a variety of files up to 192/24.

I have tried it with my PC using JRiver and Media Monkey as well as my MAC laptop using Amarra and Pure Music.

Any other programs I should try?

James

James, what about FOOBAR2000 on Windows with the latest WASAPI add-on (bypasses all Windows sampling and volume controls to send out unaltered bitstream)?

Also, you mentioned that there might be an add-on ASYNCH USB adapter (?) for the BDA-1 that would support up to 24/192.    Any reason why this wouldn't also work for the SP3?   I take it the output of this device would be standard SPDIF coax.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 22 Oct 2012, 04:30 pm
Also, you mentioned that there might be an add-on ASYNCH USB adapter (?) for the BDA-1 that would support up to 24/192.   Thanks

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=106813.80
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2012, 04:41 pm
James, what about FOOBAR2000 on Windows with the latest WASAPI add-on (bypasses all Windows sampling and volume controls to send out unaltered bitstream)?

Also, you mentioned that there might be an add-on ASYNCH USB adapter (?) for the BDA-1 that would support up to 24/192.    Any reason why this wouldn't also work for the SP3?   I take it the output of this device would be standard SPDIF coax.

Thanks

Hi Techguy,

Tried Foobar with ASIO and so far no luck with high res files.  Will try WASAPI.

Yes the USB interface will allow you to use your computer USB out to AES or COAX or BNC .

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69713)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69714)
 
james


Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: techguy on 22 Oct 2012, 05:13 pm
Thanks for quick response James.  Looks like it nicely matches all other Bryston equipment.   I assume Bryston will be providing a Windows driver to go with the Asynch device to support 24/192 on Windows otherwise Windows limits output to 24/96 over USB.

As for Wasapi, I've been using it for years with Foobar2000 and works very well for me and I've been able to confirm with my limited testing that it bypasses all output processing for bitstream pass-thru.   There is a new version of Wasapi on the Foobar site that was released recently that provides some additional settings to the last one issued in 2009 but I haven't otherwise seen any difference in sound quality.   

Are you able to provide the list price that this USB adapter will go for?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 22 Oct 2012, 05:15 pm
James, with Foobar (which I just downloaded a month back) and WASAPI I've had no trouble playing back DSD files at 192kHz.  Downloaded it as I'm starting to digitize the music files.  I assume the USB box can be either black or silver face plate?  I know you indicated it would be before the end of the year.  Is that still on target?  Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2012, 05:22 pm
Thanks for quick response James.  Looks like it nicely matches all other Bryston equipment.   I assume Bryston will be providing a Windows driver to go with the Asynch device to support 24/192 on Windows otherwise Windows limits output to 24/96 over USB.

As for Wasapi, I've been using it for years with Foobar2000 and works very well for me and I've been able to confirm with my limited testing that it bypasses all output processing for bitstream pass-thru.   There is a new version of Wasapi on the Foobar site that was released recently that provides some additional settings to the last one issued in 2009 but I haven't otherwise seen any difference in sound quality.   

Are you able to provide the list price that this USB adapter will go for?

Hi Guys,

Yes we are including the Windows drivers in a small USB key so you can load them on your computer. (MAC already has the drivers installed)

Yes I was a bit surprised that JRiver and MMonkey worked out of the gate with ASIO and FOOBAR did not - will keep experimenting.

I am hoping in the $600 range and about 3 months away for production as we are uo to our ears in the BDA-2 which includes the USB async USB feature built in.

Available in Silver or Black 

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: techguy on 22 Oct 2012, 05:49 pm
James,  A couple more questions and hopefully the last ones.

I see the unit has a front power switch but no 12 V trigger on the back.  Does the unit put itself to sleep when not in use or is it designed to stay on all the time?

Also, this question may seem out of place given the high resolution music purpose of this device but will the unit allow Dolby Digital/DTS to pass thru it with the custom driver?   Even given the low resolution of those formats, the asynch processing would reduce jitter when playing back those formats as well on a DVD thru a computer.   I have a number of DVD-based concerts that don't always have a PCM stereo bitstream on them that this would improve sound quality.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Oct 2012, 05:59 pm
James,  A couple more questions and hopefully the last ones.

I see the unit has a front power switch but no 12 V trigger on the back.  Does the unit put itself to sleep when not in use or is it designed to stay on all the time?

Also, this question may seem out of place given the high resolution music purpose of this device but will the unit allow Dolby Digital/DTS to pass thru it with the custom driver?   Even given the low resolution of those formats, the asynch processing would reduce jitter when playing back those formats as well on a DVD thru a computer.   I have a number of DVD-based concerts that don't always have a PCM stereo bitstream on them that this would improve sound quality.

Thanks

Hi - We will probably add a trigger.
 
Not sure on the DVD pass-through - we have a Digital Pass-through on the BDA-2 but not sure if we can impement it into the USB Interface? - will ask engineering.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Vipers on 24 Oct 2012, 01:42 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69713)

james

Interesting James, don't know what is is the water in Canada at the moment but your R&D team are certainly working overtime.

Any ideas on a name yet? I'm guessing, maybe the BUC-1?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Oct 2012, 02:00 pm
Interesting James, don't know what is is the water in Canada at the moment but your R&D team are certainly working overtime.

Any ideas on a name yet? I'm guessing, maybe the BUC-1?

Whomever comes up with the best name wins a free one  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 24 Oct 2012, 02:14 pm
BDA-#   Bryston Digital to Analog converter
BDP-#   Bryston Digital Player
BDI-#   Bryston Digital Interface
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: MauriceMinor on 24 Oct 2012, 02:25 pm
Whomever comes up with the best name wins a free one  :thumb:

james

Bryston Converter Interface / BCI-1
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: terrycym on 24 Oct 2012, 02:26 pm
BUA-1  Bryston USB Adapter - does what it says :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 24 Oct 2012, 02:28 pm
BUS-1, BUSB-1, USB-1 or BAS-1 (for async USB)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bobNL on 24 Oct 2012, 02:51 pm
My entry:

BDU-1

which is more in line with previous names.  :banana piano:

Bob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 24 Oct 2012, 02:55 pm
Hi James,

Could you still add a front USB port also (not an extra, but doubling the back port)?

The back port is great for fixed aparatus, (like a new MacMini for example...) but a front port would make life much easier on those that bring their laptops to play more infrequently (is that an english word.. :scratch:) and connecting to it so much easier. Positioning the BUC-1 more elegantly too.

Cheers,
Marius



Hi - We will probably add a trigger.
 
Not sure on the DVD pass-through - we have a Digital Pass-through on the BDA-2 but not sure if we can impement it into the USB Interface? - will ask engineering.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 24 Oct 2012, 03:01 pm
oops almost forgot to enter the sweepstake...

since it is about Hires, (the BDA1 already has an USB interface) i'd opt for BHU-1, Bryston Hires Usb-converter . Hires might have a better 'ring' to it too than Asynchronous.

Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: tankhouse on 24 Oct 2012, 03:21 pm
Hi Guys,
My name idea for the little unit  :)

How about BAC-192  (Bryston Asynchronous Converter-goes to 192 )

Jason
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Jon L on 24 Oct 2012, 03:56 pm
Hi Guys,

Yes we are including the Windows drivers in a small USB key so you can load them on your computer. (MAC already has the drivers installed)

Yes I was a bit surprised that JRiver and MMonkey worked out of the gate with ASIO and FOOBAR did not - will keep experimenting.


james

That is surprising.  Sometimes one has to download Asio4ALL and use that as ASIO shell to work with Foobar if you want to see how that sounds. 

My fave foobar sound-quality-wise has been 0.8.3, but it only works on Win XP not 7, so I presume you don't have XP setup.

BTW, I realize Bryston believes in solid engineering, but do try the Cardas Clear USB cable if you can.  At $134/meter, it sounds incredibly "clear" and musical compared to oem usb cables and some of the high $$ USB cables..

BTW, for the USB converter, I like:
BDG-1 (Bryston Digital Gate)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: konut on 24 Oct 2012, 04:39 pm
BHC-1     Bryston Hi-Rez Converter
BHI-1      Bryston Hi-Rez Interface
BHA-1     Bryston Hi-Rez Adapter
BCIA-1    Bryston Computer Interface Adapter
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 24 Oct 2012, 04:58 pm
BHA-1     Bryston Hi-Rez Adapter

Bryston Headphone Amplifier
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: konut on 24 Oct 2012, 05:41 pm

Bryson Headphone Amplifier

OOPS! No wonder why that looked familiar.  :duh:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 24 Oct 2012, 05:52 pm
OOPS! No wonder why that looked familiar.  :duh:

At my age it's OK to do that stuff.  I'm waiting for Bryston to make a BOG-1 (old guy) where I put a thumb drive in and it contains the information I need to make it through the day
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: BrystonFan on 25 Oct 2012, 12:07 am
Phil A,
It's all that lugging of equipment you do between the many systems you have!  :lol:
I can barely budge my 9BSST and 4BSST2 from the cabinets when I do my major annual disconnect cleaning - I can't imagine moving it from floor to floor! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 25 Oct 2012, 02:13 am
Phil A,
It's all that lugging of equipment you do between the many systems you have!  :lol:
I can barely budge my 9BSST and 4BSST2 from the cabinets when I do my major annual disconnect cleaning - I can't imagine moving it from floor to floor! :icon_lol:

Those are light weights compared to some of the things I own and have owned.  For a bit, I think the guy at the Fedex store wanted to hide when he saw me coming.  When my friend worked at an audio shop I helped him set up Levinson 33Hs many moons ago.  Each is shipped in a crate and I could be mistaken but I think they each weighed 220 pounds.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bjski on 25 Oct 2012, 04:10 am
BCA-1
Bryston converter adapter 1  :scratch:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 25 Oct 2012, 04:14 am
This is state of the art USB Interface from Bryston.

BUI-1  :thumb:

Bryston USB Interface.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 25 Oct 2012, 02:00 pm
B480 (according to 480Mbit/s),

BHC - Bryston Host Controller,

BHI - Bryston Host Interface

or any combination of them. for example BH480...

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: marsboer on 25 Oct 2012, 06:43 pm
Hihi, many of the names suggested doesn't make any technological sense at all :)

In BDA-1/2 I guess its short for Bryston Digital to Analog. In other words you refer to your digital inputs with the common word digital, no matter if it's USB/S-PDIF/AES-EBU.
To be concistent with your previuos meaning of "digital" in this context, I think the most reasonable name is Bryston USB to Digital audio adapter (because you have several digital outputs), or BUD-1 in short version.
Like your other products the name also tells you what it does. Although I like Bryston USB Interface for its look, a USB interface could be more or less anything from audio to file storage and serial adapters.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: brucek on 25 Oct 2012, 07:48 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69713)

All these wacky acronyms. Why make it such a difficult guessing game?

James had it right on the first attempt.

Bryston USB Converter = BUC-1

brucek
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 26 Oct 2012, 12:42 am
Thanks for your endorsement  :thumb:

Hihi, many of the names suggested doesn't make any technological sense at all :)

In BDA-1/2 I guess its short for Bryston Digital to Analog. In other words you refer to your digital inputs with the common word digital, no matter if it's USB/S-PDIF/AES-EBU.
To be concistent with your previuos meaning of "digital" in this context, I think the most reasonable name is Bryston USB to Digital audio adapter (because you have several digital outputs), or BUD-1 in short version.
Like your other products the name also tells you what it does. Although I like Bryston USB Interface for its look, a USB interface could be more or less anything from audio to file storage and serial adapters.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 26 Oct 2012, 05:12 pm
Hihi, many of the names suggested doesn't make any technological sense at all :)

In BDA-1/2 I guess its short for Bryston Digital to Analog. In other words you refer to your digital inputs with the common word digital, no matter if it's USB/S-PDIF/AES-EBU.
To be concistent with your previuos meaning of "digital" in this context, I think the most reasonable name is Bryston USB to Digital audio adapter (because you have several digital outputs), or BUD-1 in short version.
Like your other products the name also tells you what it does. Although I like Bryston USB Interface for its look, a USB interface could be more or less anything from audio to file storage and serial adapters.

hi, Marsboer!

even if most of these names don't make any (technical) sense to you or anybody else i think it is up to each individual (including me) to post some ideas no matter if correct or not.
for one point you are right if we are talking about technical correctness here - i'm not really sure if Bryston's new USB "thing" can be called a host, a controller or an interface or whatever... :green: in the end i think it's no delict just to have some ideas.

peace.

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 27 Oct 2012, 05:07 am
James has mentioned about the Bryston USB Interface many times and in a number of threads. It makes sense too because it IS an USB interface from Bryston. There maybe a number of attractive features and it may change as the digital technology evolve.

Whatever the name is...more importantly its Bryston! :thumb:

MEMO: To all Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player


October 2012


It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product.

The BDP-2 Digital Player was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata internal harddrive capability, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP-1 in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purist" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 external DAC the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is also possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software). 

We will also be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 USB capability. 

Hope this helps.


James Tanner
Bryston


Hi Marius

We would recommend a Solid State Drive for the BDP-2 not a rotary drive for the noise issues you mentioned.

It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product. The BDP -2 was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata , internal harddrive, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purest" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software).  We will be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 capability. 


James

HI,

Yes we will be (are) developing a USB 192/24 interface to be added to the BDA-1 before years end.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: marsboer on 28 Oct 2012, 07:18 pm
All these wacky acronyms. Why make it such a difficult guessing game?

James had it right on the first attempt.

Bryston USB Converter = BUC-1

brucek

What does it convert USB to? Digital audio outputs? Serial interface? Harddisk interface?
I can not see that from the name, and hence it introduces a need to read the specifications, or if those aren't available you would just have to guess what it does.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2012, 07:30 pm
Hi,

Converts USB in to SPDIF out ... Coax, AES EBU and BNC - up to 192/24 async.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 28 Oct 2012, 07:33 pm
Hi James,

Have you given the idea of a front usb port input some thought? Maybe with one of those nice small up/down switches, to switch between front or back? (like the mute on Bp26)

Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 28 Oct 2012, 07:44 pm
What does it convert USB to? Digital audio outputs? Serial interface? Harddisk interface?
I can not see that from the name, and hence it introduces a need to read the specifications, or if those aren't available you would just have to guess what it does.

I'm pretty sure most everyone knows (or can easily guess) what a "USB Converter" or "USB Interface" is relative to audio.
 
But if the model number has to describe it exactly then the only choice would have to be
 
BD24192AUSBAESEBUSPDIFC-1
Bryston Digital 24-bit 192KHz Asynchronous USB to AES/EBU and S/PDIF Converter
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 28 Oct 2012, 08:15 pm
...good one, Steve :thumb:. it should solve the problem.

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: brucek on 28 Oct 2012, 08:17 pm
Quote from: marsboer
What does it convert USB to?

Just like James and srb indicate, "I'm pretty sure most everyone knows (or can easily guess) what a "USB Converter" or "USB Interface" is relative to audio."

It converts USB in to SPDIF out. Seems fairly obvious to me.

brucek
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: JfTM on 28 Oct 2012, 08:20 pm

I'm pretty sure most everyone knows (or can easily guess) what a "USB Converter" or "USB Interface" is relative to audio.
 
But if the model number has to describe it exactly then the only choice would have to be
 
BD24192AUSBAESEBUSPDIFC-1
Bryston Digital 24-bit 192KHz Asynchronous USB to AES/EBU and S/PDIF Converter
 
Steve

Won't they need a bigger case though?   :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: tankhouse on 29 Oct 2012, 04:27 pm
"BD24192AUSBAESEBUSPDIFC-1"

 
Won't they need a bigger case though?   :lol:



LOL, 19" face plate on the front, 4" case at the back  :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: marsboer on 30 Oct 2012, 05:43 pm

I'm pretty sure most everyone knows (or can easily guess) what a "USB Converter" or "USB Interface" is relative to audio.
 
But if the model number has to describe it exactly then the only choice would have to be
 
BD24192AUSBAESEBUSPDIFC-1
Bryston Digital 24-bit 192KHz Asynchronous USB to AES/EBU and S/PDIF Converter
 
Steve

All those outputs could easily be summarized to either digital audio outputs or S/PDIF outputs.
James uses the description USB to SPDIF. Why shouldn't that be used (BUS-1)? It describes the device purpose in detail withouth having multiple meanings or beeing to vague.

USB Interface or USB Converter only makes sense for you if you have stereo as a special interest. If I say to the guys at work that I just bought a USB converter for my stereo my guess is that absolutely noone would understand that it is for the purpose of converting USB to S/PDIF because they are only mildly interested in stereo. They would think USB to Analog (as in DAC), USB storage or something like that even if they know it's purely for audio usage. I would actually prefer a totally random name, like "Hiface Two", before the multiple meaning terms USB Interface or USB Converter.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 30 Oct 2012, 06:26 pm
If I say to the guys at work that I just bought a USB converter for my stereo my guess is that absolutely noone would understand that it is for the purpose of converting USB to S/PDIF because they are only mildly interested in stereo.

Those who are "only mildly interested in stereo" will probably not be in the market for converters, external DACs or high-end Bryston components.
 
USB Interface or USB Converter only makes sense for you if you have stereo as a special interest.

Exactly!  I don't expect this to be found in the model airplane or bicycle parts catalogs.
 
Whatever James and Bryston Limited decide to name it is fine with me and we should probably get this particular topic back on the track of the features and functionality of the BDA-2 DAC!
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: marsboer on 3 Nov 2012, 08:46 pm
James:
Is the BDA-2 using I²S internally from the USB receiver chip to the DAC or is it converted to S/PDIF along its way?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2012, 08:47 pm
James:
Is the BDA-2 using I²S internally from the USB receiver chip to the DAC or is it converted to S/PDIF along its way?

Hi

I²S

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: amuser on 7 Nov 2012, 10:44 pm
Can't wait to get mine. Have one on order. Woot!!! :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: amuser on 8 Nov 2012, 05:57 pm
Any one want to buy a BDA 1 in black 17 in ? Got one here for sale.....
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: amuser on 13 Nov 2012, 11:58 pm
Whomever comes up with the best name wins a free one  :thumb:

james

Keep it nice and short

How about the

Supercalifragilistic-USBconverter
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 15 Nov 2012, 01:57 am
Mr Tanner,  just wondering does the BDA-2 DAC have a remote
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Nov 2012, 02:00 am
Mr Tanner,  just wondering does the BDA-2 DAC have a remote

Hi Mav52

Yes the Bryston BR2 remote works with it.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Vipers on 15 Nov 2012, 01:26 pm
Hi James, is it still looking likely that we'll see the BDA-2 and BDP-2 this side of Christmas?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Nov 2012, 04:13 pm
Hi James, is it still looking likely that we'll see the BDA-2 and BDP-2 this side of Christmas?

For sure - the first 15 BDA-2's are leaving the factory today and the BDP-2's next week.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: JfTM on 15 Nov 2012, 08:15 pm
Hope it's not too late for the USB/s/PDIF whatever name game.

Bryston DIC (Digital Interface Connection)


Hey James, how about a poll post with the candidates?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: amuser on 16 Nov 2012, 07:34 pm
For sure - the first 15 BDA-2's are leaving the factory today and the BDP-2's next week.

james

Thats awesome news !!!! Can't wait.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 20 Nov 2012, 02:51 am
Hi, a basic question but appreciate thoughts from the group. I am running a BDA1 fed from an Empirical Audio Offramp fed by a Mac Mini. Am I correct that the new BDA2 has the USB capability that will allow me to replace both the BDA1 and the Offramp?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 20 Nov 2012, 03:05 am
Am I correct that the new BDA2 has the USB capability that will allow me to replace both the BDA1 and the Offramp?

Yes.  If the BDA-2 has a good USB implementation and the USB input is connected internally to the DAC chip via I2S (which James has stated that it does), then I can't see any reason or advantage to convert the USB input to S/PDIF with an external USB to S/PDIF converter.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2012, 03:14 am

Yes.  If the BDA-2 has a good USB implementation and the USB input is connected internally to the DAC chip via I2S (which James has stated that it does), then I cannot see any reason why one would want to convert the USB input to S/PDIF with an external USB to S/PDIF converter.
 
Steve

Correct Steve - thanks.  The USB is asynchronous and is connected using I2S.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 20 Nov 2012, 11:56 pm
Thanks James and Steve, will be placing an order with Ovation. What is the lead time looking like?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2012, 12:18 am
Thanks James and Steve, will be placing an order with Ovation. What is the lead time looking like?

Hi

Backordered 44 units as of today so any new order about 2 weeks.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Aramys on 25 Nov 2012, 11:53 am
Hi James,

As I see it, BDA-2 design is VERY VERY close to BDA-1 (same inputs, facia,... pretty sure they use the very same external parts). Would it be possible to retrofit BDA-2 motherboard in a BDA-1. It would be so environment-friendly to be able to recycle a BDA-1 box this way!! :D If it's possible, I'm in without any doubt because price could be very competitive!

Bests,
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
Hi James,

As I see it, BDA-2 design is VERY VERY close to BDA-1 (same inputs, facia,... pretty sure they use the very same external parts). Would it be possible to retrofit BDA-2 motherboard in a BDA-1. It would be so environment-friendly to be able to recycle a BDA-1 box this way!! :D If it's possible, I'm in without any doubt because price could be very competitive!

Bests,

No I am sorry - we looked at that long and hard and the cost was just not feasible - too many changes required.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: ddafoe on 25 Nov 2012, 08:04 pm
Hi James,

Just curious about your thoughts on running the BDA-2 directly into a power amplifier and relying on a digital volume from the digital source (e.g. JRiver's digital volume control).   Would you recommend this approach (e.g. is the BDA-2's analog output capable of driving most power amplifiers)?    I just recently sold my preamp (I was only using one digital source) and am looking for a very high quality DAC like the BDA-2 but with a volume control; I would be willing to use a digital volume control with the DAC if it makes sense.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2012, 08:25 pm
Hi James,

Just curious about your thoughts on running the BDA-2 directly into a power amplifier and relying on a digital volume from the digital source (e.g. JRiver's digital volume control).   Would you recommend this approach (e.g. is the BDA-2's analog output capable of driving most power amplifiers)?    I just recently sold my preamp (I was only using one digital source) and am looking for a very high quality DAC like the BDA-2 but with a volume control; I would be willing to use a digital volume control with the DAC if it makes sense.

Thanks

You have to be careful with a digital volume control as you lose resolution (bits) as you turn down the volume.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 26 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm
Hi James,

Just curious about your thoughts on running the BDA-2 directly into a power amplifier and relying on a digital volume from the digital source (e.g. JRiver's digital volume control).   Would you recommend this approach (e.g. is the BDA-2's analog output capable of driving most power amplifiers)?    I just recently sold my preamp (I was only using one digital source) and am looking for a very high quality DAC like the BDA-2 but with a volume control; I would be willing to use a digital volume control with the DAC if it makes sense.

Thanks

Hi

I just got my BDA 2 and it can drive a power amp no problem. Mine drives a TPV pre and then a 14B with excellent results.  But i would take James advice on not using a digital volume control off a music player. You will lose resolution.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gjorgji on 29 Nov 2012, 04:45 am
Got the BDA-2 today ...  :thumb: currently using it with BHA1 and LCD3 ..  USB interface with JRiver .. different sound signature then BDA1 .. will say background is darker, but lots of details .. 192k material sounds very organic ... Overall good start .. real test this weekend on speaker rig ..
 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: uncouth on 29 Nov 2012, 04:25 pm
Taking delivery of the BDA-2 today. Excitement spilleth over! Should help bring my BDP-1 to a higher level.  :thumb:

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Vipers on 29 Nov 2012, 08:57 pm
Keep the feedback coming guys, I've got my BDA-2 on order but it always takes longer for Bryston kit to arrive this side of the pond, so reading your reviews will help ease the wait :)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 1 Dec 2012, 03:28 pm
Have my order placed with Rickey at Ovation Audio in Ontario, make mine a good one! Btw it took about 8 seconds to sell my BDA1' got to love the resale - ability of Bryston, thanks James and yeah Canada!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2012, 04:22 pm
Have my order placed with Rickey at Ovation Audio in Ontario, make mine a good one! Btw it took about 8 seconds to sell my BDA1' got to love the resale - ability of Bryston, thanks James and yeah Canada!

Will keep an eye out for it  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 1 Dec 2012, 04:39 pm
Have my order placed with Rickey at Ovation Audio in Ontario, make mine a good one! Btw it took about 8 seconds to sell my BDA1' got to love the resale - ability of Bryston, thanks James and yeah Canada!

Hi Gordon,

How did you  sell your BDA1? Seems to be impossible
 here...

Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 1 Dec 2012, 04:44 pm
Canuck Audio Mart, the BDA1's are selling pretty fast (sorry I do not known how to paste the question I am replying to)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 1 Dec 2012, 04:59 pm
..... (sorry I do not known how to paste the question I am replying to)

Use the Quote link at the far right of the post instead of the Reply button.  It will insert the entire quote, so you may want to delete non-related sentences or unneeded photos, just make sure that the beginning "quote" and ending "/quote" tags (both enclosed in square brackets) are intact.
 
If you also want to add additional quotes from other posters, scroll down from the message editing window and you will see an Insert Quote link to the far right of each post.
 
Use the Preview button to make sure that what you wanted to quote is inside the shaded quote box and that your reply is outside of it.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 2 Dec 2012, 12:30 am

Use the Quote link at the far right of the post instead of the Reply button.  It will insert the entire quote, so you may want to delete non-related sentences or unneeded photos,
 
Steve

Thanks, new skill for Gordon!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: vegasdave on 2 Dec 2012, 02:53 am
Ok, I'm not gonna read the whole thread...so basically what are the main differences between the BDA-1 and BDA-2?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Dec 2012, 02:57 am
Ok, I'm not gonna read the whole thread...so basically what are the main differences between the BDA-1 and BDA-2?

Just read the first post with the features

- different DAC chips
- 24/192 USB

Per James, with programming it should be able to do DSD.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: vegasdave on 2 Dec 2012, 03:02 am
Oh ok, cool.  Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: uncouth on 2 Dec 2012, 04:43 pm
Unpacked and set-up the BDA-2 then patiently waited on my Cardas AES/EBU cable to arrive. Aside from a slight cosmetic flaw (scratched chassis) that James is currently helping me rectify, the BDA-2 has been a revelation in my listening room. While I still consider my outgoing DAC (Rega) a quite capable little guy, the difference really is staggering.

Back to listening. Will give my impressions as the equipment and cables burn in a bit.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Elemberg on 4 Dec 2012, 11:25 pm
Just took delivery of my BDA-2 today!  This is my first Bryston product and WOW the fit finish are top quality.  I had a chance to briefly listen today, and I can say I am very pleased.  My outgoing DAC is a Peachtree iDac.  While the iDac is not a bad DAC by any means the Bryston has greater resoulution and has a much more refined sound.  I'm letting it burn in some more and look forward to sharing my experience after a weekend of listening.       
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Elemberg on 5 Dec 2012, 07:50 am
After a few hours of listening to the BDA-2 I am most impressed. The Bryston has brought my system to an entirely diffrent level. Music is free of grain and has a harmonic structure and rightness that until now I just wasn't sure existed through the digital domain.  Imaging is tight without being spotlit and the soundstage is deep placing me within the realm of the musical event.  In summation the price of admission is worth it, and from my seat I couldn't be happier!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Johnnybrick on 5 Dec 2012, 03:23 pm
After a few hours of listening to the BDA-2 I am most impressed. The Bryston has brought my system to an entirely diffrent level. Music is free of grain and has a harmonic structure and rightness that until now I just wasn't sure existed through the digital domain.  Imaging is tight without being spotlit and the soundstage is deep placing me within the realm of the musical event.  In summation the price of admission is worth it, and from my seat I couldn't be happier!

Thanks for sharing your listening experience with your new BDA2 Elmberg. I have a BDA2 on-order and it appears it'll be a couple of weeks before I receive it......can't wait! It's a Jingle Bells! ;) With that said, I'm very curious to hear the comparisons with the PWD2 roll-in.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: uncouth on 7 Dec 2012, 06:44 am
I've spent a few days with my BDA-2 and am loving it more and more with each listen. My experience is akin to what Elemberg described in his recent post. The detail that the BDA brings out is just something I've never before experienced in my listening room. Very pleased with the purchase...
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mr_bill on 17 Dec 2012, 04:52 am
BUC-1
Bryston Usb Converter  (BUC)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Blackstone on 29 Dec 2012, 03:33 am
Sweet DAC James. I went with the Ayre QB because the Asynchronous USB on BDA-1 was not available but now you've got a real contender.

Your DAC actually up samples redbook 44.1 to 192? My dad's dCS can take redbook up to DSD and we love it. Very cool.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 29 Dec 2012, 04:18 pm
James, what is the time frame Delivery on a BDA-2 .
With all the orders on Hand

Let me know

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Dec 2012, 06:11 pm
James, what is the time frame Delivery on a BDA-2 .
With all the orders on Hand

Let me know

Regards Robert

Hi

About 3 weeks from order.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 29 Dec 2012, 06:24 pm
James, will the shipments 3 weeks down the road have latest software updates ? :wink:

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Dec 2012, 06:31 pm
James, will the shipments 3 weeks down the road have latest software updates ? :wink:

Robert

The DAC software rarely changes after release.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 29 Dec 2012, 06:54 pm
Thanks James

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72995)


Looking forward to it

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 29 Dec 2012, 08:32 pm
Robert

You will love the dac.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 30 Dec 2012, 01:32 pm
Robert

You will love the dac.  :thumb:


I can't wait .... Werd  But as I asked James he says 3 weeks down the road.

Werd Which in puts are you using on your BDA-2 ?

My BDP-1 is connected to my BDA-1 VIA  AES-EBU
My BCD-1 is connected as well SPDIF BNC TO BDA-1

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Dec 2012, 02:52 pm
Robert

I use the xlr and the RCA with a bnc adaptor on the bdp. Same as the BDA 1.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: acadie on 31 Dec 2012, 07:40 pm
For the new owners of the BDA-2, any issues with it?

How long of a breaking time the Bryston DAC needs to be at full potential?

A friend of mine just pick up a new BDA-2 (dec 20) and he said the sound is just plain terrible. Told him to wait for 150 hours ( that what it took the BDA-1 when I bought one almost 1.5 yrs ago). From memory, the new unit sounded OK out of the box  but did improved over the first 150-200 hours.

My friend is saying that the top are edgy. He uses a Sim Audio integraded amp , a pair of Totem Staff and a Sqeeze Box unit to stream the music.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Dec 2012, 08:48 pm
What was he using before?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 31 Dec 2012, 09:44 pm
Robert

I use the xlr and the RCA with a bnc adaptor on the bdp. Same as the BDA 1.

Werd same here I'm balanced as well, have you tried the AES/EBU  connection out of the BDP-1
to you BDA-2 ?

My BCD-1 is as well Balanced i'm using SPDIF / BNC

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: acadie on 31 Dec 2012, 11:07 pm
What was he using before?

He was using the Bryston BDA-1 that I sold him. He went for the BDA-2 because of the new USB input.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Dec 2012, 11:11 pm
Werd same here I'm balanced as well, have you tried the AES/EBU  connection out of the BDP-1
to you BDA-2 ?

My BCD-1 is as well Balanced i'm using SPDIF / BNC

Robert

I use the wywires xlr for that always. And I use the atlas opus in RCA with a. Bnc adapt also. Both are awesome. But also very different.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Dec 2012, 11:34 pm
He was using the Bryston BDA-1 that I sold him. He went for the BDA-2 because of the new USB input.

It's just new, he isn't used to it. It's a smoother dac than the bda1. Mind you I haven't tried the USB yet. :scratch:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 6 Jan 2013, 05:39 am
Hello all,

I am the person with the BDA-2 in question (from Ottawa with Totem Staffs: it's gotta be me!). 

I upgraded from the BDA-1 to gain the functionality of Asynchronous USB functionality.
I've had the BDA-2 for two weeks now and I have been running it constantly.

The main issue I initially had was sibilance with the sound.  Some fellow audio colleagues have suggested I wait a couple of hundred hours in order
for the unit to break in. 

After about 2 weeks, the sound is still sibilant.  I don't know if it is my ears playing tricks on me, but I thought it was improving at one point, but
after today, I must conclude it is just the same signature as before.

I will contact Bryston to see what comments they have for me.  When I bypass the BDA-2, the sibilance goes away.  I am perplexed.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jan 2013, 11:44 am
Hello all,

I am the person with the BDA-2 in question (from Ottawa with Totem Staffs: it's gotta be me!). 

I upgraded from the BDA-1 to gain the functionality of Asynchronous USB functionality.
I've had the BDA-2 for two weeks now and I have been running it constantly.

The main issue I initially had was sibilance with the sound.  Some fellow audio colleagues have suggested I wait a couple of hundred hours in order
for the unit to break in. 

After about 2 weeks, the sound is still sibilant.  I don't know if it is my ears playing tricks on me, but I thought it was improving at one point, but
after today, I must conclude it is just the same signature as before.

I will contact Bryston to see what comments they have for me.  When I bypass the BDA-2, the sibilance goes away.  I am perplexed.

Hi

Got your PM and we will have a look at your unit - very strange :scratch:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 6 Jan 2013, 12:53 pm
Hello all,

I am the person with the BDA-2 in question (from Ottawa with Totem Staffs: it's gotta be me!). 

I upgraded from the BDA-1 to gain the functionality of Asynchronous USB functionality.
I've had the BDA-2 for two weeks now and I have been running it constantly.

The main issue I initially had was sibilance with the sound.  Some fellow audio colleagues have suggested I wait a couple of hundred hours in order
for the unit to break in. 

After about 2 weeks, the sound is still sibilant.  I don't know if it is my ears playing tricks on me, but I thought it was improving at one point, but
after today, I must conclude it is just the same signature as before.

I will contact Bryston to see what comments they have for me.  When I bypass the BDA-2, the sibilance goes away.  I am perplexed.

One of your Buddies posted a little ways back that you were having problems with your BDA-2
Mr Ottawa, can you post the outcome once Bryston returns your unit

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 6 Jan 2013, 01:33 pm
Hello all,

I am the person with the BDA-2 in question (from Ottawa with Totem Staffs: it's gotta be me!). 

I upgraded from the BDA-1 to gain the functionality of Asynchronous USB functionality.
I've had the BDA-2 for two weeks now and I have been running it constantly.

The main issue I initially had was sibilance with the sound.  Some fellow audio colleagues have suggested I wait a couple of hundred hours in order
for the unit to break in. 

After about 2 weeks, the sound is still sibilant.  I don't know if it is my ears playing tricks on me, but I thought it was improving at one point, but
after today, I must conclude it is just the same signature as before.

I will contact Bryston to see what comments they have for me.  When I bypass the BDA-2, the sibilance goes away.  I am perplexed.

Hi

What input are you using?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 7 Jan 2013, 02:43 am
Robert,

I will keep you posted.  Bryston were very quick to get back to me initially and I will await further instructions come Monday morning for shipping the unit to them.

As for the input I am using, I started with Coaxial input.  I then switched to Optical input.  Optical does sound better.

This said, one friend of mine said I should change my source one more time to confirm it is not the DAC.  Will go do that right now.

BDA1 was an awesome DAC.  I am sure once we work out whatever is going on here that the BDA2 will be just as good if not better.

Regards,
Ottawa HiFi
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: budt on 7 Jan 2013, 04:59 am
  Mr. Ottawa
     
       I also live in Ottawa. I have the latest B&W 800 Diamonds,Bryston 7B SST2 and Bryston BP26 premap. Before sending you unit back to Bryston you are welcome to come over to my place to try it out if you wish. I have a feeling it might be after market cables you are using( I have noticed some of those can ad sibilance). In any event you can try it at my place if you wish....
  Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 7 Jan 2013, 06:37 pm
Budt,

Thank you.  Having done lots of testing; using a BDA-1 previously; I think the best course of action is to send the unit to Bryston
at this time for a double check.  BDA-1 was so good I admit that it was the best component in my system and must state
it made my system great.

That said, after the unit returns to me from Bryston, if I find myself in the same boat, I would love to take you up on your offer to listen to it and ascertain its characteristics.

Either way, we can arrange for you to listen to it in time.

Regards,
Jules.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 7 Jan 2013, 10:43 pm
Jules, happy to see things are moving forward ....
Ps. I'm in St-lazare around 1.30 mins from your Home .Just out of Montreal Ex 22 lol

If you wanted to do some tests at my home your More then welcome.  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Any Hoo I'm happy to see things are moving forward for you.

Feedback once the BDA-2 is back in your home.

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: tubesound on 8 Jan 2013, 11:02 pm
BDD-1

Bryston Digital to Digital
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 9 Jan 2013, 01:28 pm
Today I got a phonecall from my dealer , finally the Bdp2 and Bda2 had arived :thumb:
2 hours later after he had unpacked everything he called me again, Bryston had sent him the Bdp1 and Bda1 instead , and he has like 20pair of them in the store already  :duh:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jan 2013, 02:50 pm
Today I got a phonecall from my dealer , finally the Bdp2 and Bda2 had arived :thumb:
2 hours later after he had unpacked everything he called me again, Bryston had sent him the Bdp1 and Bda1 instead , and he has like 20pair of them in the store already  :duh:

Hi - where are you located and I will check into this.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 9 Jan 2013, 08:11 pm
Just an update,

Have not sent BDA-2 to Bryston yet.  I am awaiting the go ahead from them before sending it in.

James is busy at CES.  Can't wait to get the unit verified by Bryston.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ron D on 9 Jan 2013, 08:49 pm
Call the nice people @ Bryston directly and they will advise as to how to proceed with the return shipment.

James is no doubt busy fielding questions and directing the ever growing traffic pattern in their room @ CES :wink:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 9 Jan 2013, 09:21 pm
Yes, I am sure they are busy at CES.  And with good reason!   :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 10 Jan 2013, 10:05 am
Hi - where are you located and I will check into this.

james
Hi James, I'm located in Norway .
Tor was A little frustrated also, but not much to do, will have to wait for next delivery .
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2013, 02:06 pm
Hi James, I'm located in Norway .
Tor was A little frustrated also, but not much to do, will have to wait for next delivery .

Hi

I looked into it and he did order the BDA-1 and the BDP-1 on the order form.  We are fast-tracking another set for you.

My apology. :duh:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 10 Jan 2013, 08:25 pm
Hi

I looked into it and he did order the BDA-1 and the BDP-1 on the order form.  We are fast-tracking another set for you.

My apology. :duh:

james
He did , ha ha , he is getting old, I will go easy on him  :D
No need to apology on his behalf James , you do a teriffic job here on the forum .
Thanks for taking the time to look into it , much apreciated  :thumb:

Eirik
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mkaiser on 12 Jan 2013, 02:20 am
Hi all,
Looking to acquire the BDA2 and have 3 questions:

What is the best digital connection from TV cable box to BDA?
What is best digital connection from Blu-ray player to BDA2?
What is best digital connection from Bryston CDP to BDA2 (i am thinking AES/EBU)?

Thanks in advanced for the responses as this is my first time trying to go digital with sources.

Mark
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Joker on 12 Jan 2013, 08:57 pm
Hi all,
Looking to acquire the BDA2 and have 3 questions:

What is the best digital connection from TV cable box to BDA?
What is best digital connection from Blu-ray player to BDA2?
What is best digital connection from Bryston CDP to BDA2 (i am thinking AES/EBU)?

Thanks in advanced for the responses as this is my first time trying to go digital with sources.

Mark

Hi Mark, am using Toslink Optical from my TV and Blu-ray each to my BDA-1. And with that have used the two ports. While I don't have a CDP, I do have my BDP-1 connected to the BDA using AES/EBU, since I believe that is the best digital connection between the two. As always, cables need to be top grade to unleash the potential of the components. Cheers!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 12 Jan 2013, 09:07 pm
hi, Mark!

i'd say that the 'ranking' is:

xlr, bnc, coax (cinch), optical, usb.

so i have the BDP-1 connected via xlr to the BDA-1. for tv and cable boxes i think that the optical input should do the job. for critical music sessions try the xlr, bnc or the coax. if you have the BCD-1 then give its internal dac a chance as it is a superb converter if you ask me. in the case of the new BDA-2 it would be worth a try to connect both the analog and digital outs of the BCD-1 into your setup to find out what sounds best.

but as always...let your ears decide.

happy listening :wink:

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 18 Jan 2013, 01:55 am
Will keep an eye out for it  :thumb:

James

Just heard from Rickey at Ovation my BDA2 has arrived, about 7 weeks including the Christmas break! Things must be hopping at Bryston, nice work James. Will post some feedback.
I am upgrading from a BDA1 + Empirical Offramp combo and am eager to see if the single box with its new USB input can work where the Bryston/Offramp had worked well.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jan 2013, 03:23 am
Just heard from Rickey at Ovation my BDA2 has arrived, about 7 weeks including the Christmas break! Things must be hopping at Bryston, nice work James. Will post some feedback.
I am upgrading from a BDA1 + Empirical Offramp combo and am eager to see if the single box with its new USB input can work where the Bryston/Offramp had worked well.

Great :thumb:  looking forward to your feedback.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 19 Jan 2013, 01:11 pm
James, I have a BDA-2 on Order since Dec 27th 2012.  :D
Can you let me know the excepted delivery with all the back orders where my order stands

Thank you  Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2013, 01:17 pm
James, I have a BDA-2 on Order since Dec 27th 2012.  :D
Can you let me know the excepted delivery with all the back orders where my order stands

Thank you  Robert

Hi Robert - sure - what dealer?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 19 Jan 2013, 01:20 pm

Thank you James
It was purchased from Claude Sons Ideal

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2013, 01:22 pm
Thank you James
It was purchased from Claude Sons Ideal

Robert

Hi Robert - that may be the problem as he is no longer a dealer - maybe recheck with him.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 19 Jan 2013, 01:33 pm
James, All was cleared with his sales Rep and Bryston
they worked it out

Let me know Please

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 20 Jan 2013, 03:11 pm
Great :thumb:  looking forward to your feedback.

James
OK, 48 hours into this (Mac mini running Pure Music / iTunes into BDA2, into BP26 & 4BSST, into B&W CDM9NT's) and the BDA2 has taken it to a whole new level. It replaces BDA1 + Empirical Offramp3, which had been a very good combo for USB. Now the BDA2 in place of both is proving to be a big improvement in each of 3 major areas; resolving detail, avoiding any harsh or fatiguing elements and a more precise and expansive soundstage.
Overall not a subtle change, a great step up. Hope Bryston gets the press and business it deserves on this new DAC, bravo James.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 20 Jan 2013, 03:14 pm
OK, 48 hours into this (Mac mini running Pure Music / iTunes into BDA2, into BP26 & 4BSST, into B&W CDM9NT's) and the BDA2 has taken it to a whole new level. It replaces BDA1 + Empirical Offramp3, which had been a very good combo for USB. Now the BDA2 in place of both is proving to be a big improvement in each of 3 major areas; resolving detail, avoiding any harsh or fatiguing elements and a more precise and expansive soundstage.
Overall not a subtle change, a great step up. Hope Bryston gets the press and business it deserves on this new DAC, bravo James.

Oh yeah, key music played so far: John Williams The Magic Box, The Unthanks cd Last (highly recommended), a lot of Sarah Harmer and Mark Knopfler.
Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2013, 03:29 pm
OK, 48 hours into this (Mac mini running Pure Music / iTunes into BDA2, into BP26 & 4BSST, into B&W CDM9NT's) and the BDA2 has taken it to a whole new level. It replaces BDA1 + Empirical Offramp3, which had been a very good combo for USB. Now the BDA2 in place of both is proving to be a big improvement in each of 3 major areas; resolving detail, avoiding any harsh or fatiguing elements and a more precise and expansive soundstage.
Overall not a subtle change, a great step up. Hope Bryston gets the press and business it deserves on this new DAC, bravo James.

Hi Gordon -  thanks for the feedback. Have you tried Amarra or Audirvana or Bitperfect as well?

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 20 Jan 2013, 06:30 pm
Hi Gordon -  thanks for the feedback. Have you tried Amarra or Audirvana or Bitperfect as well?

James
Am a past Amarra user, switched to PM and no reason to look back.  Have not tried either of the others, back to music listening vs system tweaking for awhile!!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2013, 06:52 pm
Am a past Amarra user, switched to PM and no reason to look back.  Have not tried either of the others, back to music listening vs system tweaking for awhile!!

Thanks - I am running blind tests with the 4 different programs.  I assume you prefer Pure Music over Amarra?

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 20 Jan 2013, 09:01 pm
Thanks - I am running blind tests with the 4 different programs.  I assume you prefer Pure Music over Amarra?

James

Yes, subtle difference but for my ears an improvement and also found the whole purchase/support/set-up a little more suited to my modest technical ability. Eager for your views once your through the test.
Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 23 Jan 2013, 03:10 am
Glad to see some positive user experience with the Bryston BDA-2.

Can't wait to get my unit back from Bryston.

James, are you testing my DAC as we speak?  Curious to see what you think.

Thanks
Jules (A.K.A - Ottawa HiFi)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 23 Jan 2013, 12:58 pm
Glad to see some positive user experience with the Bryston BDA-2.

Can't wait to get my unit back from Bryston.

James, are you testing my DAC as we speak?  Curious to see what you think.

Thanks
Jules (A.K.A - Ottawa HiFi)

Jules wheh did you send your unit back to Bryston ?

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 23 Jan 2013, 01:08 pm
Robert,

I sent the DAC in last week.  Officially they got it last Friday.  Not sure what the turn around time is,
but I am sitting tight to see if anything can be resolved.

If nothing is wrong with the DAC, then I have a serious problem with my audio system that I need to fix.   :scratch:

As soon as I get the DAC returned to me, I will be updating AudioCircle.

Regards,
Jules
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2013, 01:15 pm
Robert,

I sent the DAC in last week.  Officially they got it last Friday.  Not sure what the turn around time is,
but I am sitting tight to see if anything can be resolved.

If nothing is wrong with the DAC, then I have a serious problem with my audio system that I need to fix.   :scratch:

As soon as I get the DAC returned to me, I will be updating AudioCircle.

Regards,
Jules

Hi Jules

We are checking it out now so will let you know as soon as we figure out if there is an issue or not.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jan 2013, 03:38 pm
Hi Jules,

We have looked at your BDA-2 and electrically it is working perfectly.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 24 Jan 2013, 05:18 pm
Got mine today  :D
After 5min Im glad to report it is not sibilant or sharp in any way .
Will compare it to Bda1 in the weekend .
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 25 Jan 2013, 03:12 am
Thanks James.

I installed a MyDac from Micromega (loan).  It is sounding fine at this time in my system.

I am looking forward to receiving the BDA-2 once again and putting it through it's paces.

I know the Micro Mega is not in the same league, but it is also not replicating the initial sibilance I had before.

Tomorrow is another day and I will report back once I have installed it back in my system.

Again James, Team Bryston, thanks for being local (Canadian) and looking at my DAC in a timely manner.

Jules.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jan 2013, 01:05 pm
Thanks James.

I installed a MyDac from Micromega (loan).  It is sounding fine at this time in my system.

I am looking forward to receiving the BDA-2 once again and putting it through it's paces.

I know the Micro Mega is not in the same league, but it is also not replicating the initial sibilance I had before.

Tomorrow is another day and I will report back once I have installed it back in my system.

Again James, Team Bryston, thanks for being local (Canadian) and looking at my DAC in a timely manner.

Jules.

Hi Jules

Given that you preferred the sound of the BDA-1 do you want me to replace the 2 with the 1 for you?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 26 Jan 2013, 02:29 pm
Got mine today  :D
After 5min Im glad to report it is not sibilant or sharp in any way .
Will compare it to Bda1 in the weekend .
I am now 10 full days into the BDA2 as a replacement to the BDA1 and am loving the trade up in sound quality. No knock on the BDA1, the 2 just takes it to a new level. Enjoy!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 26 Jan 2013, 03:46 pm
James,

I will think about your offer. 

From what other are generally saying, the BDA2 is a significant step up.

I will look at every component in my system, starting with my source to see where the sibilance is coming from.

I suspect the BDA2 is revealing the shortcomings of my $300 transport (the Squeezebox touch).  That's a good place to begin.

I appreciate your comments.  And James (from Bryston), thanks for your extra attention to my DAC.  I know you are pulling double duty this weekend
to listen to it.  Look forward to your remarks on Monday.

Ottawa HiFi (AKA Jules).
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 26 Jan 2013, 04:45 pm
I Get mixed results when comparing them side by side . But one has played thousands of hours , the other only 50 . Both are spectacular soundwise ,but  Bda2 is a little constrained making vokals a little more distant, and the bass is a tad drier (harder) and does not go as deep , I feel the bassthump in the chest more with the Bda1 .
I had to check the specification to see if they had the same output voltage ,because I felt the Bda1 was louder . Bda1 makes rythmic music swing more ,it has more PRAT , Bda2 is a bit more focused/controled( maybe) an relaxed .
Tonaly they are very similar .
I will let the Bda2 play for one more week and check again next weekend, but I am not returning the Bda1 just yet as it is still my favourite, but it is close.....

Music used in this comparison .
My little Angel - Blues Company
Blackjack hart - Michelle Shocked
Add fiction - Remi Panossian Trio
Fly me to the moon - Frank Sinatra
David Munyon - Hollywood town

Cheers from Norway  :D

And I blame all mispelling om IPad  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gjorgji on 27 Jan 2013, 01:28 am
I Get mixed results when comparing them side by side . But one has played thousands of hours , the other only 50 . Both are spectacular soundwise ,but  Bda2 is a little constrained making vocals a little more distant, and the bass is a tad drier (harder) and does not go as deep , I feel the bassthump in the chest more with the Bda1 .
I had to check the specification to see if they had the same output voltage ,because I felt the Bda1 was louder . Bda1 makes rythmic music swing more ,it has more PRAT , Bda2 is a bit more focused/controled( maybe) an relaxed .
Similar findings here. BDA2 has well laid down sound stage, where BDA1 is flatter.BDA2 has better instruments separation and tone control: duration and definition. Cymbals on BDA1 are more sparkly and somewhat bright( not a plus in my books) and bass is not as tight(control ed) and defined as BDA2. Now, vocal..not sure.. might like the BDA1 as is presenting it more upfront. Overall BDA1 sounds lightly coloured,with smaller/compressed soundstage vs BDA2.
Now the USB interface, not as impressed. Curious about other people's findings.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 27 Jan 2013, 01:22 pm
Werd can you please post some feedback about the BDA-2
After approximately 1 month of your use.
Soundstage, Mids, Lows, Vocals..... Separation.

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 27 Jan 2013, 03:35 pm
Good Morning Werd  :thumb:

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 27 Jan 2013, 04:22 pm
Werd can you please post some feedback about the BDA-2
After approximately 1 month of your use.
Soundstage, Mids, Lows, Vocals..... Separation.

Regards Robert

Hi Robert

I just got back from a week away from home. While away my bda1 showed up from Bryston all checked out. I had an issue with a bnc connect that was resolved. It's up for sale actually. Tonight I will back to back it again.

What you get is the bda1 circuitry with a different dac board. I am using a Audio oasis passive,(that if any anything is great for comparing front ends).  Its a transformer driven passive so the front end quality is crucial since its the front end driving the whole sound, amplified by the 14b.

The sense of timing is exactly like the Bda1 and pace is great.  What you get is a 32 bit dac compared to a 24 bit dac. Aside front the sound difference the 32 bit gives you a better sense of power in the fillers and background sound. Its a better dac IMO. The whole soundstage feels better pronounced with more power.  Yo are able to get a better sense of the cymbals as whole. The air gets around the cymbals better than bda1. Its a more colored dac for the good.

I have noticed that Bryston is moving away from the completely neutral to a more colored soundstage. The 4Bsst2 was like that compared to the sst  and the 14b is also. I have heard the complaint of sibiliance on this thread but I don't noticed it, infact it's   step back if anything. Remember I am using a TPV passive so if there is sibiliance generated by the dac It would show up in spades on my system.

I will get back to you later when I hook up the bda1.

My only complaint so far but also fixable is Windows8 doesn't recognize the drivers for the bad 2 yet. I can't get it to work using the compatibility work arounds either.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 28 Jan 2013, 03:56 pm
Werd,

Appreciate reading your comments this morning.  Glad to hear you are not getting any sibilance.  Apart from that characteristic of the sound in my system, and extended (but not bright) highs, the BDA-2 was a fine performer.

James has put it to the ultimate test (Test equipment at Bryston + his ears over the weekend).  I am awaiting his final conclusion.

James has offered me a BDA-1 in exchange (earlier post).  So the question for me will be:  do I take the BDA-1, or, take back the BDA-2 and try to fix the sibilance problem in my system.  If the BDA-2 checks out ok, then it has probably revealed a hidden problem in my system.  Decisions, decisions...

For everyone's info: I am using a Squeezebox Touch as my source, which when paired with the BDA-1, was sounding extremely well.

This is a good board and I am glad to see the involvement by all.

Ottawa HiFi (AKA Jules)

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mkaiser on 28 Jan 2013, 05:08 pm
The decision seems simple enough....take the BDA2 and fix the problems with your system. I would suggest starting with that squeezebox and replace it with much better quality source. Buy used if money is limited.

Mark
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 28 Jan 2013, 05:16 pm
Werd,

Appreciate reading your comments this morning.  Glad to hear you are not getting any sibilance.  Apart from that characteristic of the sound in my system, and extended (but not bright) highs, the BDA-2 was a fine performer.

James has put it to the ultimate test (Test equipment at Bryston + his ears over the weekend).  I am awaiting his final conclusion.

James has offered me a BDA-1 in exchange (earlier post).  So the question for me will be:  do I take the BDA-1, or, take back the BDA-2 and try to fix the sibilance problem in my system.  If the BDA-2 checks out ok, then it has probably revealed a hidden problem in my system.  Decisions, decisions...

For everyone's info: I am using a Squeezebox Touch as my source, which when paired with the BDA-1, was sounding extremely well.

This is a good board and I am glad to see the involvement by all.

Ottawa HiFi (AKA Jules)

Hi

I would go with the bda2, however it's your call. But my sneaking suspicion is the problem lies somewhere in the realm of your squeezebox. Do you own a laptop? Try using the USB-in unplugged running on lithium. The bda2 has the 24 bit usb so there is a good reason right there to go with the 2. Idk it's your call but the source driving the dac is as important as the dac IMO. 

Before you decide audition a bdp some how using hirez files. The bdp drives both dacs to the max with no noise induced, or very little I suppose and then you can see what you like better. Unless you plan on keeping the squeeze box then you may as well stay with the 1.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 28 Jan 2013, 05:28 pm
To MKaiser,

I am thinking of the Bryston digital player, The BDP-2.  Or an Oppo BDP-105.

I like the Bryston concept since you can build around it with a wireless router + remote control app.  No moving parts so to speak,
so the unit would be reliable for years to come.

I like the convenience of the Squeezebox touch, and the price point!   :)    I also like the internet radio app.

I realize the Bryston will be more work to set up, but then again, I would be gaining a higher level of performance, ie: 24 bit 192 khz playback capabilities.  And if I can get it to work with wireless functionality, then that would be a bonus.

+ it would match my DAC!

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 28 Jan 2013, 05:58 pm
Or more specifically,

An external drive with my music library which I could control via a iPod Touch or an iPad.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 28 Jan 2013, 10:12 pm
Similar findings here. BDA2 has well laid down sound stage, where BDA1 is flatter.BDA2 has better instruments separation and tone control: duration and definition. Cymbals on BDA1 are more sparkly and somewhat bright( not a plus in my books) and bass is not as tight(control ed) and defined as BDA2. Now, vocal..not sure.. might like the BDA1 as is presenting it more upfront. Overall BDA1 sounds lightly coloured,with smaller/compressed soundstage vs BDA2.
Now the USB interface, not as impressed. Curious about other people's findings.
I am using BDA2 exclusively via USB without any re-clocker between my Mac mini and the BDA2 and find it to be very good. USB was a problem in the BDA1 to my ears they've solved it nicely with the 2.

Anything specific you are hearing via USB?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mkaiser on 28 Jan 2013, 10:42 pm
To MKaiser,

I am thinking of the Bryston digital player, The BDP-2.  Or an Oppo BDP-105.

I like the Bryston concept since you can build around it with a wireless router + remote control app.  No moving parts so to speak,
so the unit would be reliable for years to come.

I like the convenience of the Squeezebox touch, and the price point!   :)    I also like the internet radio app.

I realize the Bryston will be more work to set up, but then again, I would be gaining a higher level of performance, ie: 24 bit 192 khz playback capabilities.  And if I can get it to work with wireless functionality, then that would be a bonus.

+ it would match my DAC!

The BDP sounds like the way with regards to an external drive. Something i may pursue if my music ever becomes hi-res.

Mark
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mrhyfy on 28 Jan 2013, 11:44 pm
To MKaiser,

I am thinking of the Bryston digital player, The BDP-2.  Or an Oppo BDP-105.

I like the Bryston concept since you can build around it with a wireless router + remote control app.  No moving parts so to speak,
so the unit would be reliable for years to come.

I like the convenience of the Squeezebox touch, and the price point!   :)    I also like the internet radio app.

I realize the Bryston will be more work to set up, but then again, I would be gaining a higher level of performance, ie: 24 bit 192 khz playback capabilities.  And if I can get it to work with wireless functionality, then that would be a bonus.

+ it would match my DAC!


don't forget,, the oppo 105 also includes a not too shabby dac!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 28 Jan 2013, 11:59 pm
Mr HyFy,

Yes the BDP-105 has indeed a not to shabby DAC.  Reviews are good.  However, as with most all in one boxes, when you read the fine print, you
discover that use of the DAC via an external source limits you to 96 KHz resolution (24 bits).

And that my indeed be good enough, but it is still a limitation compared to the Bryston DACs which can perform to 192 KHz (24 bits).

Jules

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 29 Jan 2013, 12:37 am
However, as with most all in one boxes, when you read the fine print, you discover that use of the [Oppo BDP-105] DAC via an external source limits you to 96 KHz resolution (24 bits).

To further elaborate, it is true that 2 channel PCM sources are limited to 24/96 through the coaxial and optical S/PDIF inputs, but the USB input is full 24/192 asynchronous.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mrhyfy on 29 Jan 2013, 03:00 am
To further elaborate, it is true that 2 channel PCM sources are limited to 24/96 through the coaxial and optical S/PDIF inputs, but the USB input is full 24/192 asynchronous.

Steve

not to mention HDMI input!!  ( I better be careful,,this is a BRYSTON thread!!)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 29 Jan 2013, 10:49 pm
Hi Robert

I just got back from a week away from home. While away my bda1 showed up from Bryston all checked out. I had an issue with a bnc connect that was resolved. It's up for sale actually. Tonight I will back to back it again.

What you get is the bda1 circuitry with a different dac board. I am using a Audio oasis passive,(that if any anything is great for comparing front ends).  Its a transformer driven passive so the front end quality is crucial since its the front end driving the whole sound, amplified by the 14b.

The sense of timing is exactly like the Bda1 and pace is great.  What you get is a 32 bit dac compared to a 24 bit dac. Aside front the sound difference the 32 bit gives you a better sense of power in the fillers and background sound. Its a better dac IMO. The whole soundstage feels better pronounced with more power.  Yo are able to get a better sense of the cymbals as whole. The air gets around the cymbals better than bda1. Its a more colored dac for the good.

I have noticed that Bryston is moving away from the completely neutral to a more colored soundstage. The 4Bsst2 was like that compared to the sst  and the 14b is also. I have heard the complaint of sibiliance on this thread but I don't noticed it, infact it's   step back if anything. Remember I am using a TPV passive so if there is sibiliance generated by the dac It would show up in spades on my system.

I will get back to you later when I hook up the bda1.

My only complaint so far but also fixable is Windows8 doesn't recognize the drivers for the bad 2 yet. I can't get it to work using the compatibility work arounds either.

Thank you werd for your remarks  :D
I'm looking forward to my New Loved One

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 30 Jan 2013, 05:22 am
I will get back to you later when I hook up the bda1.

Does this mean you havent compared them side by side ?

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 30 Jan 2013, 01:46 pm
Got 150 hours on the Bda2 now ,and the table is slowly turning .
And I think now that Im keeping the 2 and will return the 1 next week .
The Bda1 is livelier than the 2 ,and voices are more forward ,but it can sound to "wild" in complex music .
Bda2 is a little more in control and tighter  , in the long run easier on the ear.
It has opened up a bit since new , and is now sounding pretty darn good  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Elemberg on 1 Feb 2013, 02:16 am
James,

I will think about your offer. 

From what other are generally saying, the BDA2 is a significant step up.

I will look at every component in my system, starting with my source to see where the sibilance is coming from.

I suspect the BDA2 is revealing the shortcomings of my $300 transport (the Squeezebox touch).  That's a good place to begin.

I appreciate your comments.  And James (from Bryston), thanks for your extra attention to my DAC.  I know you are pulling double duty this weekend
to listen to it.  Look forward to your remarks on Monday.

Ottawa HiFi (AKA Jules).

I'm also using a Squeeze Touch with an external power supply, but with great results.  While I would love to purchase a BDP-2 to compliment the BDA-1 it is out of my price range for the moment.  I might down the road, but I love the interface using an iPad through the iPeng app.  It would have to be many times better than the Squeeze to qualify the price point of the BDP-2.     
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 1 Feb 2013, 03:32 am
Elemberg, et al,

I decided to go back and try BDA-1.  With my system and my squeezebox, it works perfectly...again.  So happy to have the BDA-1 back in my system.
Maybe I should consider a better power supply for the SB touch.

I did do some critical listening tonight and I think what is going on is that the BDA-2 is more resolving, hence exposing the limits of the squeezebox.  But this is a hypothesis.
All I can say is that I am happy with the sound at this time.  Synergy and my ears speak louder than specs and features for now.

I have decided to order a BDP-2 from Bryston. I have never had a high end player (sooner or later everyone needs a good go to player), and I think this concept has potential and a local
audiophile (Acadie here) put the bug in my ear for this player.  On the plus side, no computer is needed to play music and I can go as high as 24 bits and 192 KHz of hi rez tunes.

Once configured properly (with an external router and some software downloads), I will be able to control it via an iPad or iPod.  So I'll put the effort towards that endeavour and see how far that gets me up the sound ladder.  And it'll look good in my system.

Wish to take some time here to thanks James and Mike from Bryston.  They have been patient dealing with me and they put extra effort in helping me with their (my) gear. 
Some may say that Bryston gear is expensive, but when you factor build quality, warranty, support and in the end service, in my books that is worth something.

Ottawa HiFi (AKA Jules).

PS: I guess I'll need help with that BDP-2 when it arrives.http://www.audiocircle.com/Smileys/audiocircle/icon_confused.gif


Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Elemberg on 2 Feb 2013, 12:27 am
Elemberg, et al,

I decided to go back and try BDA-1.  With my system and my squeezebox, it works perfectly...again.  So happy to have the BDA-1 back in my system.
Maybe I should consider a better power supply for the SB touch.

I did do some critical listening tonight and I think what is going on is that the BDA-2 is more resolving, hence exposing the limits of the squeezebox.  But this is a hypothesis.
All I can say is that I am happy with the sound at this time.  Synergy and my ears speak louder than specs and features for now.

I have decided to order a BDP-2 from Bryston. I have never had a high end player (sooner or later everyone needs a good go to player), and I think this concept has potential and a local
audiophile (Acadie here) put the bug in my ear for this player.  On the plus side, no computer is needed to play music and I can go as high as 24 bits and 192 KHz of hi rez tunes.

Once configured properly (with an external router and some software downloads), I will be able to control it via an iPad or iPod.  So I'll put the effort towards that endeavour and see how far that gets me up the sound ladder.  And it'll look good in my system.

Wish to take some time here to thanks James and Mike from Bryston.  They have been patient dealing with me and they put extra effort in helping me with their (my) gear. 
Some may say that Bryston gear is expensive, but when you factor build quality, warranty, support and in the end service, in my books that is worth something.

Ottawa HiFi (AKA Jules).

PS: I guess I'll need help with that BDP-2 when it arrives.http://www.audiocircle.com/Smileys/audiocircle/icon_confused.gif

Jules,

Congrats!!!  I look forward to your impression of the BDP-2 VS. the Squeezebox touch.   
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2013, 03:14 pm
http://www.av2day.com/2013/01/brystons-digital-heaven-v-2-0-now-on-demo/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: wilsonij on 3 Feb 2013, 11:22 pm
I look forward to your impression of the BDP-2 VS. the Squeezebox touch.   

I seem to remember the BDP1 and 2 have the same sonics but different connectivity (plus more power to the usb sockets)...

...if that's the case, then over the past few days I've been listening to a Squeezebox Duet via SPDIF versus a BDP1 via AES, both into an sp3, and found significant improvements.

I was not really expecting there to be much of a difference, in theory the exact same digital data stream is being presented to the Crystal CS4398 DACs in my sp3, but for whatever reason (SPDIF vs AES ? NAS vs USB drive ?) while the clarity and convenience of the sound is the same, the presence, weight, solidity... call it what you will, but the "three dimensionality" of the soundstaging is significantly better. I also suspect the dynamic range is greater too, though this may be the same effect being expressed in another way.

I wouldn't say the sound is 10 times better (the relative cost of the two options) but then I don't think that is something we're too bothered about when pursuing that extra 5% of quality...

...suffice to say the Duet has been relegated to the spare room and I'm liking the BDP1 experience, especially couple with the MPad app (just as good as the iPeng app I use for the Squeezebox system... in fact I really like the playlist creation feature, but do miss the ability to browse-by-year).

Ian
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 4 Feb 2013, 02:47 am
Thanks for your post Wilsonij.

I currently stream with a Squeezebox Touch.  I do have some hi-rez, 24 bit - 96khz material.

I am looking forward to see how much of an improvement the BDP-2 will bring.

I am a little worried about connecting another wireless router to my network.  I'll bridge another airport express to my current network. 

Also have on the mind, how will I get this BDP-2 hooked up to my network; then the app; then how to control it.

I have challenges ahead of me.  I am sure I'll get it working in time and looking forward to the results, and hopefully, improvements.   :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: SHV on 4 Feb 2013, 04:42 am
"Also have on the mind, how will I get this BDP-2 hooked up to my network;..."
*******
IIRC, Bryston (Chris) recommends 1) hard wire  2) D-Link (powerline)   3) wireless

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 4 Feb 2013, 03:12 pm
The D-Link powerline is interesting.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Wim J on 8 Feb 2013, 06:47 pm
Ordered my BDA-2  today  :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ottawa HiFi on 8 Feb 2013, 11:45 pm
Let us know who it works out for you.

!!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2013, 06:11 pm
Hi Folks,

Got a very in depth review today on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC which will appear in the May/June issue of Absolute Sound Magazine.

The reviewer had a lot of nice things to say about the BDP-1 digital Player as well in combination with the BDA-2 DAC  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Feb 2013, 10:35 pm
Also heard from Secrets OF Home Theater today who are also doing a review on the BDA-2. 

His comment was - "James the measurements on the BDA-2 are below my Audio Precisions analysers ability to measure them!!!"

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: audioMirror on 20 Feb 2013, 03:45 pm
Congrats on what sounds like it will be a good review!

I am holding off on upgrading my BDA-1, to find out how people compare it vs. the BDA-2 (or can get an in-home demo).

I love the BDA-1/BDP-1, but sometimes think that there must be an improvement possible.  The inputs sound different, as does upsampling/no-upsampling.  Can they all be right?

I usually listen with no upsampling, as this gives me the most visceral feeling of the music.  Upsampling sounds more spatially expansive, and slightly smoother, but at the cost of the impact of drums and transients.  I can't help think that perfection would be the expansiveness of upsampling, but with the visceral feeling of no upsampling.  Not sure that's possible ...
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 03:55 pm
Congrats on what sounds like it will be a good review!

I am holding off on upgrading my BDA-1, to find out how people compare it vs. the BDA-2 (or can get an in-home demo).

I love the BDA-1/BDP-1, but sometimes think that there must be an improvement possible.  The inputs sound different, as does upsampling/no-upsampling.  Can they all be right?

I usually listen with no upsampling, as this gives me the most visceral feeling of the music.  Upsampling sounds more spatially expansive, and slightly smoother, but at the cost of the impact of drums and transients.  I can't help think that perfection would be the expansiveness of upsampling, but with the visceral feeling of no upsampling.  Not sure that's possible ...

Hi

I prefer listening to the "NATIVE" resolution as well. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 20 Feb 2013, 05:11 pm
HI James,

Are the BDA2/BDP2 available in Europe (Netherlands here) already? Like to give them a try !

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2013, 05:13 pm
HI James,

Are the BDA2/BDP2 available in Europe (Netherlands here) already? Like to give them a try !

Cheers,
Marius

I think so - I will check with Export guy.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 20 Feb 2013, 10:39 pm
Congradulations  to the team at Bryston.
I have had my BDA-2 sitting on my couch for the last week.
As well I have been without a Stereo system for 3 weeks.
Here in the house hold we are still under renovations lol …
Before I start I have to say a thank you to drummermitchell  for his help  with my dictated 20amp and 15amp x 3  new  circuits  Thank you Sir … Yes indeed took some time but they are in.
Buddy, Wow eee . What a change in performance all around. A must for all high end gear.
And to werd for his always professional ear  Thank you Sir .
Congradulations to the team at Bryston.
What a superb Dac this BDA-2 is something else. Smooth to the ears.
Big improvements over the BDA-1
Smooth to the ears
Sound stage  what can I say  amazing much more present. I guess the 20amp Circuit has something to do with it…
The highs are much more matured .. They seem to have taken my Paradigm signature S8V3’s to to a new Level
As well all of the tings and the pings are just so clear.
The BDA-2 has been on my mind ever since Bryston introduced it a few months back
I just had to have it.

Bass is smooth with more crisp detail.
Highs are clean rich with more detail.
Separation of the instruments is more profound much more detail clean & smooth
Sound stage what can I say  amazing much more present
The BDP-1 and the BDA-2  are connected via  AES–EBU  The perfect Combo
I have not tried any other inputs   I shall in time.

I’ll post some Picture Food later in the Week
Thanks All
Best regards Robert

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: BrysTony on 20 Feb 2013, 11:11 pm
Congratulations, Robert!  Upgrade to the BDA-2 is very tempting.  My guess is that it is much more of an improvement than the BDP-2 upgrade.

Tony
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 21 Feb 2013, 12:05 am
Congratulations, Robert!  Upgrade to the BDA-2 is very tempting.  My guess is that it is much more of an improvement than the BDP-2 upgrade.

Tony

The sound is exactly the same to the T as a  BDP-2
The sound card in both units is the same it's the Julia sound card
The only difference between the BDP-1 & BDP-2 is its capacity to play a much larger music library and of course the speed to able to change between units.
I will only upgrade my BDP-1 once Technology will bypass the Julia high-end sound card that Bryston is currently using.
I'm told the Julia is a very High end sound Card. So it looks like 3-5 years down the road.... Bryston will up Grade to a BDP-3
With a New Sound card with all the bells & whistles

So bottom line. The BDP-1 & BDA-2 Combo is the only way to  Go 
If you do have a BDA-1 change.it sell it ...  You will not regret it..
The BDA-2 will put a smile on your loved ones !  :thumb:
Regards Robert
 

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: BrysTony on 21 Feb 2013, 01:05 am
The sound is exactly the same to the T as a  BDP-2
The sound card in both units is the same it's the Julia sound card
The only difference between the BDP-1 & BDP-2 is its capacity to play a much larger music library and of course the speed to able to change between units.
I will only upgrade my BDP-1 once Technology will bypass the Julia high-end sound card that Bryston is currently using.
I'm told the Julia is a very High end sound Card. So it looks like 3-5 years down the road.... Bryston will up Grade to a BDP-3
With a New Sound card with all the bells & whistles

So bottom line. The BDP-1 & BDA-2 Combo is the only way to  Go 
If you do have a BDA-1 change.it sell it ...  You will not regret it..
The BDA-2 will put a smile on your loved ones !  :thumb:
Regards Robert

I have been running the BDP-1/BDA-1 for quite some time now and have been very satisfied with it.  However, the new DAC chips in the BDA-2 have me interested.  Thanks for the information.

Tony
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jtinto on 21 Feb 2013, 09:21 pm
If you do have a BDA-1 change.it sell it ...  You will not regret it..
The BDA-2 will put a smile on your loved ones !  :thumb:
Regards Robert

I'm still trying to decide between buying a used BDA-1 or a new BDA-2.
Anyone thinking about selling their BDA?

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: wilsonij on 23 Feb 2013, 11:24 pm
Having only recently replaced the awesome Classe SSP-800 with an SP3, I'm still coming to terms with how much better the definition of the vocals and instruments within the soundstage are.

I guess much of this is down to the impressive pre-application circuitry within the SP3, but it may also be the quality of the programming of the Crystal CS4398 DACs.

As the BDA-1 uses the same chipset, I've not paid much attention to adding such a unit between my BDP and SP3, however the introduction of the BDA2's dual 192K/32Bit AKM DAC’s has made me wonder what, if any, improvements this might introduce.

Has anyone compared/contrasted (preferably double blind) between an SP3 alone versus a BDA2 into an SP3 using the same source ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 28 Feb 2013, 06:19 am
To be or not to be.

Head down to the show room and spent close to 2 hours plugging in and out BDA-1/2 into the system running balance in/out with BDP-1 and BCD-1 as source. Also the first time listening to the Bryston Speakers!

Here are some brief summary on BDA-1/2:

1) One area the BDA-2 consistently noted in my notes is its smoothness in the highs. Its almost as if you have a little tube stage preamplifier though the entire setup were driven with only Bryston solid state electronics.
2) The pace and transient swings are still as snappy as before yet presented in an effortless manner and some may relate this to refinement
3) The centre stage took a step back deeper and the soundstage is a tad wider too giving you slightly bigger picture
4) Interestingly I had to turn up the BDA-2 about 1 notch to get about the same volume when comparing with the BDA-1. There could be a possibility where the BDA-2 were pushed down by about 1db to 2db but wasn't verified at time of audition.
5) There are tracks I can appreciate better on BDA-1 particularly with jazz vocals and some orchestra pieces where I like a little bite on the highs particular with string instruments and ambiance cues.
6) The smoothness of BDA-2 is pretty good especially in complex music arrangements allowing a little more separation in instruments. 
7) The BDA-1 has an edge in energy and drive through its entire bandwidth and is more neutral in its interpretation

In terms of price there is a marginal increase on BDA-2 however which will suit you better really depends on your preference. Both sounds very alike but I can see where BDA-1 and BDA-2 strengths or weaknesses can draw out the best from your system when match properly. Its smart that Bryston kept the BDA-1 in their line giving folks the choice.

Cheers!  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Alpha10 on 28 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
^^^

Thank you for the review, very interesting.

One quick question, did you try turning the upsampling on and off with both units at all and the differences heard?

I much prefer upsampling off on my BDA1.

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 28 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
Hey...both up-sampling off...thats my preference too.  :thumb:

^^^

Thank you for the review, very interesting.

One quick question, did you try turning the upsampling on and off with both units at all and the differences heard?

I much prefer upsampling off on my BDA1.

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Alpha10 on 28 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
Hey...both up-sampling off...thats my preference too.  :thumb:

Excellent, thank you.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 5 Mar 2013, 05:44 pm
James any NEW news on making this DAC DSD capable ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Mar 2013, 05:52 pm
James any NEW news on making this DAC DSD capable ?

Still looking at it but nothing we are acting on any time soon. It appears USB out is the only legal way to do it.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 5 Mar 2013, 10:57 pm
^  thanks James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 6 Mar 2013, 01:34 am
Hey...both up-sampling off...thats my preference too.  :thumb:

Ditto - upsampling off is preferred (I'm using USB input from Mac Mini running Pure Music on top of iTunes). I do find that upsampling within Pure Music is an improvement.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2013, 03:42 pm
Dear friends,
 
I write just to let you know that we published (in English) review of your excellent DAC-2:
 
http://highfidelity.pl/@main-356&lang=en
 
I hope you'll enjoy it!
If you need any help, do not hesitate to contact me!
 
Best regards
Wojciech Pacula
High Fidelity/editor
6moons.com, enjoythemusic.com/journalist
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: ellsworth on 7 Mar 2013, 04:29 pm
Hi James;

My security software (Webroot) doesn't like the link you just posted:

http://highfidelity.pl/@main-356&lang=en

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76560)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2013, 04:36 pm
Hi James;

My security software (Webroot) doesn't like the link you just posted:

http://highfidelity.pl/@main-356&lang=en

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76560)

Hi - all seems OK here???

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: ellsworth on 7 Mar 2013, 05:43 pm
Thanks James. Sorry about the alarm. I'll sort it out at my end.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 7 Mar 2013, 07:33 pm
James,

thanks for posting the review :thumb:.

does the BDA-1 also has two clocks for 44.1k and 48k signals like the BDA-2?

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2013, 07:38 pm
James,

thanks for posting the review :thumb:.

does the BDA-1 also has two clocks for 44.1k and 48k signals like the BDA-2?

al.

Hi Al

Yes it does.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 7 Mar 2013, 07:39 pm
...and the BDA-2 has one big transformer instead of two smaller ones like the BDA-1. why?

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2013, 07:45 pm
...and the BDA-2 has one big transformer instead of two smaller ones like the BDA-1. why?

al.

One transformer but its a Dual Core transformer with dedicated windings.  It is a custom made unit made for us.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Mar 2013, 03:12 am
From: David Mccallum
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 9:26 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Tin Pan Alley

HDTracks.com just put up new versions of Couldn't Stand the Weather and I'm listening to the 24/96 version of tin Pan Alley.

Sounds awesome coming from the BDP2! And you can print that!

David
Tattersall Sound Studio
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Joker on 10 Mar 2013, 09:23 pm
Am a happy owner of a BDP-1 and BDA-1 since a year. I am aware of the technical differences & capabilities between these and the "2s" meanwhile available for both of them. Does anybody have any views / reports on sonic differences between the "1s" and the "2s" in their respective combo? So would it be worthwile upgrading both components in your view? Thanks so much!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 12 Mar 2013, 07:05 am
Ditto - upsampling off is preferred (I'm using USB input from Mac Mini running Pure Music on top of iTunes). I do find that upsampling within Pure Music is an improvement.

Give A+ a try if you are running on SL. I find A+ is more transparent versus PM running through BDA on my system but if you are running on ML both Amarra and A+ is equally good depending on your preference.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Mar 2013, 04:32 pm
Hi Folks,

The Absolute Sound Magazine review on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC is out this week.  As soon as I get the PDF of the reprint I will send it to those wanting a copy.

Last line of the review:

"I cannot think of higher praise, nor can I imagine living without the Bryston BDA-2."

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 13 Mar 2013, 05:18 pm
Congradulations  to the team at Bryston.
I have had my BDA-2 sitting on my couch for the last week.
As well I have been without a Stereo system for 3 weeks.
Here in the house hold we are still under renovations lol …
Before I start I have to say a thank you to drummermitchell  for his help  with my dictated 20amp and 15amp x 3  new  circuits  Thank you Sir … Yes indeed took some time but they are in.
Buddy, Wow eee . What a change in performance all around. A must for all high end gear.
And to werd for his always professional ear  Thank you Sir .
Congradulations to the team at Bryston.
What a superb Dac this BDA-2 is something else. Smooth to the ears.
Big improvements over the BDA-1
Smooth to the ears
Sound stage  what can I say  amazing much more present. I guess the 20amp Circuit has something to do with it…
The highs are much more matured .. They seem to have taken my Paradigm signature S8V3’s to to a new Level
As well all of the tings and the pings are just so clear.
The BDA-2 has been on my mind ever since Bryston introduced it a few months back
I just had to have it.

Bass is smooth with more crisp detail.
Highs are clean rich with more detail.
Separation of the instruments is more profound much more detail clean & smooth
Sound stage what can I say  amazing much more present
The BDP-1 and the BDA-2  are connected via  AES–EBU  The perfect Combo
I have not tried any other inputs   I shall in time.

I’ll post some Picture Food later in the Week
Thanks All
Best regards Robert


Lol

Robert I just seen this  post. I am glad you are enjoying the dac as much I am.  :thumb:  Is your 20 amp balanced or 120 v.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 14 Mar 2013, 12:11 pm
My dictated 20amp circuit  is feeding my RM20. I removed the 15Amp ac plug that came with the RM20, and fortunately enough the RM20 as well came with a 2nd ac 20Amp power cord... So Robert is rocking !  :D

Robert  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 14 Mar 2013, 12:48 pm
 :no_see:,PICTURES Robert.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 15 Mar 2013, 02:44 pm
Here is picture for You  :D


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77077)


Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 15 Mar 2013, 02:45 pm
One more for Good Luck  :thumb:

Robert
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77078)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 15 Mar 2013, 03:58 pm
I know what your hearing..... And it looks fabulous.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 15 Mar 2013, 10:04 pm
I know what your hearing..... And it looks fabulous.

Thank you Sir !  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 16 Mar 2013, 04:48 pm
Thank you Sir !  :thumb:

It's funny because I know how much the rm20 lit up my 4B. You have two and its make me wonder what's that's like ultimately. You have a very odd but interesting set up to me. I always thought that the 7bs were the way to go with mono but I think 4bs and the rm 20 are something special. I don't even have my 14 plugged into mine. You have a one of kind Bryston set up there, for the good  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2013, 06:57 pm
Hi Folks,

The review on the BDA-2 DAC from Secrets of Home Theater should be out this week.

Here is a line from the Conclusion:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77299)

The Bryston BDA-2 is a very fine outboard DAC. It improves upon the BDA-1 in distortion, and adds an asynchronous USB input to be used for playing music with a digital output to the DAC.

A few years ago, you could not get this performance at $5,000, so at $2,395, this DAC is a no brainer for consideration.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bobNL on 18 Mar 2013, 08:42 pm
Great review!

Does make me somewhat sad that I went for the BDA-1 (ordered just as the BDA-2 came on the market  :duh:) as it was said to have "the same sound signature".

Still, as long as I do not visit my dealer to hear the BDA-2 I am happy as a bunny  :hyper:,

Bob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: yioryos on 19 Mar 2013, 03:13 am
 :D
Hey Bob
Same here,I bought the BDA-1,while the BDA-2 was just out. No regrets but!!!!!!
Regards
George
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Mar 2013, 02:59 pm
Sneak peak of measurement on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC in an upcoming review:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77356)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 20 Mar 2013, 10:47 pm
It's James' fault!  :icon_twisted:

And it's all your fault, too. So there.

I've been considering an SP3, which should play nicely with my 6B-SST(C) and my two 4B-SST(C) amps. Bryston's James and Stan were very helpful in answering my queries, making my decision an easy one.

Then I looked at the AudioCircle threads on the BDP-2 and the BDA-2 . . .

You guys . . .  your astute and helpful forum posts, and those from James, got me thinking . . . always dangerous. So a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2: 17" black panels, blue displays.

Just remember, it's your fault that I'll have lots of questions for you, so . . .

Stop the madness! Be less helpful.  :nono:


Cheerio, and thanks again,

Rich
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Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 21 Mar 2013, 11:22 am
It's James' fault!  :icon_twisted:

And it's all your fault, too. So there.

I've been considering an SP3, which should play nicely with my 6B-SST(C) and my two 4B-SST(C) amps. Bryston's James and Stan were very helpful in answering my queries, making my decision an easy one.

Then I looked at the AudioCircle threads on the BDP-2 and the BDA-2 . . .

You guys . . .  your astute and helpful forum posts, and those from James, got me thinking . . . always dangerous. So a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2: 17" black panels, blue displays.

Just remember, it's your fault that I'll have lots of questions for you, so . . .

Stop the madness! Be less helpful.  :nono:


Cheerio, and thanks again,

Rich
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Rich, when is your new gear do to arrive ?
Post some pic's when you have a chance

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 21 Mar 2013, 03:46 pm
Thanks for the kind message, Robert. I'm guessing three weeks or so for the gear, and I will be sure to post picture food.

I've been following this thread awhile and, as noted in my post, you and the other contributors were a strong factor in my deciding to add the BDP-2 and BDA-2 to my order for the SP3. Absenting the Oppo 105, my electronics are all Bryston. You have a beautiful system and home, Robert, and I've enjoyed the photos of your system and the others that have been posted. I noticed that, like me, you use the Paradigm Reference Signature S8 speakers (I also use a C5, ADPs, and S4s for the rest of our 7.2 music/theatre system). Since I live in earthquake country, I added Soundocity outriggers (soundocity.com) to give them more stability, and they've worked quite well to couple the speakers to the concrete slab below our carpet.

One of the things I admire about Bryston is that customers become part of an extended family. When I bought my amps a few years ago, James' unstinting help was a key factor in my choices, and the generous guidance of the Bryston team and of the participants in this and other forums again made my recent equipment decisions easy. I appreciate the positive tone and the commitment to helping others achieve their sonic goals.

I'm looking forward to participating in this thread and will have many questions for you.

Cheerio,

Rich
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 21 Mar 2013, 04:33 pm
Great review!

Does make me somewhat sad that I went for the BDA-1 (ordered just as the BDA-2 came on the market  :duh:) as it was said to have "the same sound signature".

Still, as long as I do not visit my dealer to hear the BDA-2 I am happy as a bunny  :hyper:,

Bob

If it is the upcoming review I'm guessing from a major magazine, you won't want to read it either 8)  The reviewer owned a BDA-1 (along with a BDP-1) and may comment (I have not spoke to him since I initially found out he was doing it a couple of months back) on the differences.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: loopyground on 21 Mar 2013, 05:29 pm
Sneak peak of measurement on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC in an upcoming review:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77356)
James, the review quote is even better than your 0.009% THD + N at 0.0009% THD + N which is truly awesome! :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 22 Mar 2013, 10:53 pm
Hi Gordon -  thanks for the feedback. Have you tried Amarra or Audirvana or Bitperfect as well?

James

Have now spent a good bit of time running both Pure Music and Audirvana through the BDA2 USB input. Although it has taken time to draw a firm conclusion, I'm moving to Audirvana. Whatever it does, howev it does it it creates a level of immediacy, detail, presence  that edges out PM. James, thanks for mentioning.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Joker on 24 Mar 2013, 02:40 pm
Sneak peak of measurement on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC in an upcoming review:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77356)
Selling my BDA-1 and BDP-1 combo. Anybody interested? Drop me a seperate email.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 25 Mar 2013, 02:52 am
Sneak peak of measurement on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC in an upcoming review:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77356)

James exactly where is this measurement taken from, USB, PCM etc..  just wondering
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 26 Mar 2013, 02:43 am
Hey!

Currently I have a Simaudio Moon 300D. Would a BDA-2 be a definite upgrade, or more of a sideways shift?

TIA for your edifications.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Mar 2013, 11:08 am
James exactly where is this measurement taken from, USB, PCM etc..  just wondering

PCM (SPDIF)

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 26 Mar 2013, 03:27 pm
Great review!

Does make me somewhat sad that I went for the BDA-1 (ordered just as the BDA-2 came on the market  :duh:) as it was said to have "the same sound signature".

Still, as long as I do not visit my dealer to hear the BDA-2 I am happy as a bunny  :hyper:,

Bob
I had both , and they both are good , I had a hard time desiding .
In the end I chose to keep the Bda1 ,it is more open and dynamic and hard hitting,  Bda2 is darker and calmer .
Bda1 to me was more fun to listen to :)

Yesterday I testet the Bda1 against Nad M51 , also a very good dac .
The Bda1 was better , and clearly so !
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 27 Mar 2013, 07:07 pm
...that's interesting, Xinon. did you try some music through the usb of the BDA-2?? if yes, did you detect any audible differences??

thanks,

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bobNL on 27 Mar 2013, 08:28 pm
I had both , and they both are good , I had a hard time desiding .
In the end I chose to keep the Bda1 ,it is more open and dynamic and hard hitting,  Bda2 is darker and calmer .
Bda1 to me was more fun to listen to :)

Yesterday I testet the Bda1 against Nad M51 , also a very good dac .
The Bda1 was better , and clearly so !

Hi Xinon,

You just made my day!  :kiss:

Bob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: marsboer on 27 Mar 2013, 10:30 pm
I have also ordered the BDA-2 (and BHA-1). I already have BDA-1 and I am extremely happy with it. My primary motivation is to get good headphone sound from my computer setup (which is also my headphone listening station). I will move the BDA-1 together with the BHA-1 to the computer. The digital source is the coaxial 24/192 output on the Asus Xonar STX sound card.
The BDA-1 has done duty in my main hi-fi setup, but as my M2Tech Hiface Two adapter have several implementation issues, which causes unreliable behaviour on my Linux MPD computer, I have to use the optical output from the internal Intel HDA card. It seems to stream 24bit 192kHz ok, but some dropouts happens sporadically on the maximum bitrate (TOSLINK only officially support 24bit/96kHz). I am looking forward to peace of mind when I can connect the Bryston BDA-2 directly using asynchronous USB, with no S/PDIF conversions or low quality hardware on the way.

In other words I will keep both the BDA-1 and the BDA-2.

I also have the Bryston 4B SST² amplifier, which I am still impressed by on a daily basis. I only wish that Bryston would release a preamp that have XLR inputs and outputs, very accurate volume control (I have a very sensitive system) and home theater passthrough. The BP17 with XLR would be nice thank you :)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gordon on 27 Mar 2013, 11:51 pm
...that's interesting, Xinon. did you try some music through the usb of the BDA-2?? if yes, did you detect any audible differences??

thanks,

al.

Al, if you're asking about USB on the BDA2 vs BDA1 then the 2 is far superior based on the completely revised USB signal path. I moved to a 2 from BDA1 solely for this reason.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bobNL on 28 Mar 2013, 08:04 am
Hi Marsboer,

"I only wish that Bryston would release a preamp that have XLR inputs and outputs, very accurate volume control .......  "

Sounds just like the BHA-1 !

(no passthrough though)

Bob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: ttsto on 28 Mar 2013, 02:14 pm
And no remote...
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 28 Mar 2013, 06:11 pm
Al, if you're asking about USB on the BDA2 vs BDA1 then the 2 is far superior based on the completely revised USB signal path. I moved to a 2 from BDA1 solely for this reason.

ok. thanks, Gordon. are you a 2 channel listener or do you prefer headphones?

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 28 Mar 2013, 08:04 pm
...that's interesting, Xinon. did you try some music through the usb of the BDA-2?? if yes, did you detect any audible differences??

thanks,

al.

Never used USB .
Use Bdp1 with Aes/Ebu WW Platinium and Mac Mini Amarra/Spotify with toslink .
I had the Bda2 in my system for 1month to be shure it was not a burnin issue .
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Apr 2013, 11:01 pm
Review on BDA-2 DAC

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-bda-2-digital-analog-converter-review.html

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 1 Apr 2013, 11:34 pm
Congratulations on a very strong review, James. In my view, the author notes aptly that Bryston provides superb quality and excellent value.

I'm patiently awaiting the arrival of my BDA-2, BDP-2, and SP3.  :bounce:

Looking forward to The Absolute Sound review. (When using the BDP, do I wipe the green felt-tip marker on the flash drive?)

BTW, the Blu-ray Definition website doesn't format well to PDF (at least on my 2010 iMac), so could you let us know if/when you have a file in your spiffy PDF Bryston format?

Again, congratulations, and thanks for your pursuit of excellence.

Rich
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Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 2 Apr 2013, 08:36 pm
Ordered mine on Mar 27. Any estimates on when to expect it?  :dunno:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 2 Apr 2013, 08:47 pm
Bryston fans, I would appreciate your help with three questions on firmware updates for the BDA-2.

1. The manual states that Mac's are not supported. Ouch. Is this still the case? Chris . . . please, please, please. I run Windows 7 on a BootCamp partition on my iMac, so I could uninstall the BDA-2, move it near the iMac, and perform the update. A pain, though.

2. Is there any special cable needed for a USB 2.0 to RS232 connection, or is this generic? I see lots of flavors on Amazon, including different chipsets (chipsets? why?). Any specific  one- or two-meterish cable you'd recommend?

3. Are the firmware updates infrequent?

Thanks muchly,

Rich
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Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: lycia on 4 Apr 2013, 04:28 am
What is the nature of the signal at the SPDIF output of the BDA-2 when its USB input is receiving digital music files from a PC? I note that the manual states that the signal present at the SPDIF output is the same signal that is selected as an input source, except for USB input signals.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Apr 2013, 10:12 am
Ordered mine on Mar 27. Any estimates on when to expect it?  :dunno:

Hi Hal

Ordered through?

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 4 Apr 2013, 10:53 am
Natural Sound in Kitchener, ON..


Thanks.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Apr 2013, 02:28 pm
What is the nature of the signal at the SPDIF output of the BDA-2 when its USB input is receiving digital music files from a PC? I note that the manual states that the signal present at the SPDIF output is the same signal that is selected as an input source, except for USB input signals.

Hi,

USB is converted to SPDIF and then outputted.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: lycia on 5 Apr 2013, 02:05 am
Hi,

USB is converted to SPDIF and then outputted.

james


Thank you for your reply, James.
If I connect the BDA-2’s SPDIF output to a SPDIF input of my BDA-1 then I can obtain no analogue output from the XLRs of the BDA-1. This happens only when the USB input of the BDA-2 is chosen. If the BDA-2’s AES/EBU input is chosen then the normal output from the XLRs of the BDA-1 is present. The BDA-1 sees the incoming signal from the BDA-2 (with the latter's USB input chosen) as it records any change in bitrate. However, it seems not to process the signal.
Further advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2013, 02:46 am

Thank you for your reply, James.
If I connect the BDA-2’s SPDIF output to a SPDIF input of my BDA-1 then I can obtain no analogue output from the XLRs of the BDA-1. This happens only when the USB input of the BDA-2 is chosen. If the BDA-2’s AES/EBU input is chosen then the normal output from the XLRs of the BDA-1 is present. The BDA-1 sees the incoming signal from the BDA-2 (with the latter's USB input chosen) as it records any change in bitrate. However, it seems not to process the signal.
Further advice would be appreciated.

Ok I will check further with engineering.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2013, 02:44 pm
Ok I will check further with engineering.

james

From Engineering:

James,

I can confirm that it works fine with my setup.

Dan
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2013, 05:06 pm
Absolute Sound Review - Bryston BDA-2 DAC April 2013

ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/reviews/Absolute_Sound_Review%20_BDA2.pdf
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 5 Apr 2013, 05:54 pm
Wow.

I have never enjoyed the music more, and have never heard more in the recording. I cannot think of higher praise, nor can I imagine living without the Bryston BDA-2.
     Karl Schuster, Absolute Sound, 05-2013

Congratulations, James & Brystonites. What an impressive and well-deserved review.


Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 6 Apr 2013, 01:16 am
I hate reviews like that.





Makes my wait seem even longer..... :bawl:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bjski on 6 Apr 2013, 01:25 am
I guess I'll be selling my BDA-1.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: zied on 6 Apr 2013, 10:24 am
Dear all,
The TAS review suggests on page 2 that the BDA-2 sounds much better when it is connected to SPDIF than to USB output. I am using a mac mini -> BDA-2 -> BP26 -> 4BSST2 -> PMC IB2 system. So, I have only two output options: usb or toslink. Do you think that the sound will be better if I switch from USB output to Toslink optical cable? For example, using a Van den Hul Optocoupler II toslink cable.

Thank you.

Zied, from France.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: zied on 6 Apr 2013, 10:29 am
A second question,
I received my BDA-2 5 days ago (SN. 126). Is there a firmware update available? How can I know if a firmware update is available?
Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Apr 2013, 10:31 am
A second question,
I received my BDA-2 5 days ago (SN. 126). Is there a firmware update available? How can I know if a firmware update is available?
Thanks

Hi

No with the DAC there has not been any firmware changes.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: zied on 6 Apr 2013, 10:34 am
Thank you for your reply, James.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 6 Apr 2013, 01:56 pm
Congrats on wonderful reviews.
Bryston makes the best dacs , competing with dacs costing far more .
Me myself will never part with my Bda1 , it is the best dac period imho  8)

"Some listeners will initially find the BDA-2 “laid-back” or “recessed”; it takes a little time to move past our preconceived categorical constraints, and embrace the paradigm shift implicit in the BDA-2’s radical advance in conveying spatial relationships. The sensation of being in the presence of live musicians is uncannily realistic, yet un-spectactularly natural."

Same conclusion as my own, I just couldn't get past the  “laid-back” or “recessed" part comparing it to Bda1 .
Depends much on what type of music you play , as I play mostly blues and rock and some jazz ,I liked the more hard hitting and forward(but never harsh) sound of the nr1  , on classical it could go the other way :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: marsboer on 6 Apr 2013, 10:20 pm
Dear all,
The TAS review suggests on page 2 that the BDA-2 sounds much better when it is connected to SPDIF than to USB output. I am using a mac mini -> BDA-2 -> BP26 -> 4BSST2 -> PMC IB2 system. So, I have only two output options: usb or toslink. Do you think that the sound will be better if I switch from USB output to Toslink optical cable? For example, using a Van den Hul Optocoupler II toslink cable.

Thank you.

Zied, from France.

If I were you I wouldn't give that much thought. This is directly opposite to what many, if not most, other people are subjectively experiencing when they go from a standard sound card based S/PDIF connection to a modern good XMOS-based async USB implementation. I would think that the ESI Juli card using S/PDIF actually will give higher jitter measurements than the async USB connection. He seems to me to have a negative bias against USB-based solutions that he fools himself to think he doesn't have, just as he seems biased towards Bryston DACs in general given that he already had BDA-1, and the excessive amount of praise. He uses pretty strong words, indicating huge performance gains from BDA-2 over existing DACs in general, and S/PDIF vs USB, something that makes me not finding this review useful at all. It is simply to subjective and overstated, and absolutely nothing seems to have been done to actually verify this huge quality differences using a little bit less subjective techniques.

I hopefully get my BDA-2 soon, and judging from my previous experience from comparing audio products in this quality range I am pretty sure that the differences will ble only slightly detectable to more or less imagined compared to my BDA-1. At least not a revolution. I am also pretty sure that there will be little to no actualy quality difference between async USB and S/PDIF, both experienced and measured (if this was an option).

EDIT: I actually use the Van den Hul Optocoupler II toslink cable between my computer and the BDA-1 today. I could hear no diffence in my case when I bought it to replace the 4m Mitsubishi Eska POF from Blue Jeans Cable (which is a good quality cable made of plastic, which according to some is unsuited, even though the bandwith is made to be perfectly good enough for the TOSLINK standard. It is in fact a TOSLINK cable :) ). I originally used a async M2Tech Hiface Two USB-adapter with RCA->BNC coax, but the USB-adapter randomly failed to be detected during boot. It had to be pulled out and inserted into the USB again. I sonically slightly prefered the M2tech async USB (which is XMOS based) but that doesn't really matter when the product itself is unreliable.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: s4s4s4 on 6 Apr 2013, 10:55 pm
Dear all,
The TAS review suggests on page 2 that the BDA-2 sounds much better when it is connected to SPDIF than to USB output. I am using a mac mini -> BDA-2 -> BP26 -> 4BSST2 -> PMC IB2 system. So, I have only two output options: usb or toslink. Do you think that the sound will be better if I switch from USB output to Toslink optical cable? For example, using a Van den Hul Optocoupler II toslink cable.

Thank you.

Zied, from France.

Maybe its time to buy a BDP-1
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 7 Apr 2013, 12:08 am
Hi James,can the BDA-2 be ordered with a rack mount face like my BDA-1,THX.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Apr 2013, 12:22 am
Hi James,can the BDA-2 be ordered with a rack mount face like my BDA-1,THX.

Yes sir it can :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: larevoj on 7 Apr 2013, 01:21 am
Dear all,
The TAS review suggests on page 2 that the BDA-2 sounds much better when it is connected to SPDIF than to USB output. I am using a mac mini -> BDA-2 -> BP26 -> 4BSST2 -> PMC IB2 system. So, I have only two output options: usb or toslink. Do you think that the sound will be better if I switch from USB output to Toslink optical cable? For example, using a Van den Hul Optocoupler II toslink cable.

Thank you.

Zied, from France.

Good Day Zied, I don't recommend Toslink. I had the exact same system (BDA-1) as yours with exception to speakers and have tried the VDH Opto II as well. I suggest to use a good external USB converter to your DAC for the best result or direct USB input. Cheers~



Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: zied on 7 Apr 2013, 09:19 am
Thank you all for your help. I have ordered a Van den hull toslink cable to test if there is a difference on my system. I believe that the best thing to do is to buy a BDP-1, which I will certainly do shortly. What kind cable do you recommend to connect a BDP-1 to BDA-2 (SPDIF (BNC), AES/EBU (XLR) or toslink?
Thank you.
Zied

P.S. I believe that it is important to stress that Bryston's dealer in Paris (HD-link) has provided a state-of-the-art quality service. I highly recommend it for anyone shopping for Bryston products in France.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: s4s4s4 on 7 Apr 2013, 03:47 pm
I have used BNC and AES, both worked well, don't think I could tell much diff between the two. The BDP does not have a toslink out.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 9 Apr 2013, 12:17 am
There,ordered my BDA-2 19"in black and blue leds with rack mount :thumb:.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 9 Apr 2013, 12:26 am
Did you get an idea of when the unit would be ready?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 9 Apr 2013, 12:49 am
I'm hoping 3 weeks or less  :o(that's some hoping)I'd say 3.
Course with James at the top of the mountain maybe we can get her earlier :thumb:.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 9 Apr 2013, 12:56 am
I'm hoping 3 weeks or less  :o(that's some hoping)I'd say 3.
Course with James at the top of the mountain maybe we can get her earlier :thumb:.

nice

What are you going to do with your old bda1 ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 9 Apr 2013, 01:04 am
It'll be 2 weeks on Wednesday since I ordered... and paid for mine.  :green:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 9 Apr 2013, 01:20 am
Bryston fans, I would appreciate your help with three questions on firmware updates for the BDA-2.

1. The manual states that Macs are not supported. Ouch. Is this still the case? Chris . . . please, please, please. I run Windows 7 on a BootCamp partition on my iMac, so I could uninstall the BDA-2 from the audio system, move it near the iMac, and perform the update. A pain, though.

2. Is there any special cable needed for a USB 2.0 to RS232 connection, or is this generic? I see lots of flavors on Amazon, including different chipsets (chipsets? why?). Any specific  one- or two-meterish cable you'd recommend?

3. Are the firmware updates infrequent?

Thanks muchly,

Rich
________________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 9 Apr 2013, 02:24 am
nice

What are you going to do with your old bda1 ?
Hi Werd,just sold her.
Going to do a BDP-1 or 2 in a month or so.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Afterimage on 9 Apr 2013, 07:21 am
I just ordered mine.  Should be here in about 2 weeks.  I currently have the Mytek, but even though the Mytek sounds good, it is not user friendly.  I used the have the NAD M51 but the Mytek was more open and spacious.  I hope the BDA-2 is a step up from both.  One thing that sold me on the BDA-2 is I have a lot of pop/rock recordings that are not the best, but I have read the BDA-2 doesn't expose their poor production as much as other DACs.   Other parts of my system are Wyred4sound music server, Burmester 082 Integrated Amp, and Elac FS 249 Black Edition speakers. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 9 Apr 2013, 03:37 pm
Hi Werd,just sold her.
Going to do a BDP-1 or 2 in a month or so.

Oh nice, go for the bdp 2. Gives you more usb space.  Get yourself an ipad also if you dont have one already.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 10 Apr 2013, 02:21 am
Werd I don't think I could listen to that many songs.
I figure I can do up a bunch of thumb drives with different styles of music and that would be good enough.
If I can do maybe 20  or so songs on a TD then I'm set.
Read a bit about each so before I pull the other trigger on mah scatter gun I'll do some more reading.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 10 Apr 2013, 04:55 am
Werd I don't think I could listen to that many songs.
I figure I can do up a bunch of thumb drives with different styles of music and that would be good enough.
If I can do maybe 20  or so songs on a TD then I'm set.
Read a bit about each so before I pull the other trigger on mah scatter gun I'll do some more reading.

That's why I am not buying  the bdp2. However there are 4 inputs which include two in the back on the bdp1. The two in the back are too close together and they suffer from the usb sticks literally on each other. I have sticks I cant get the two in together. Its nice to have more usb drives but you probably wont even use the back since it will be racked right?.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 10 Apr 2013, 12:07 pm
Werd & Drummermitchell ...
I'm using 1 TB drive in the back of the BDP-1 .... It had 19hours 4 min and 30sec of Music .. As Well in the front of the BDP-1
1 Thumb usb drive with 14 or 15 songs on it... and all of my album art...
Once again the BDP-1 and BDP-2 have the same identical Julia sound card in each... They have the same Sound coming out of them.
The only difference between the 2 units is the capacity of playing a very large library of Music.
I will wait till Bryston comes up with high-end sound card that will replace the Julia sound card.
Then Bryston will call it a BDP-3 and we all will be Happy !

The operation of the BDP-1 and BDP-2 are almost the same..... With that saying since the BDP-2 will  support a very large music library it is quicker to respond to you your action of choice of Music.

The BDP-1  works great & very user friendly , you can select what you want to hear . And where you want to hear it from.
From a computer or Ipad .

I will wait till Bryston come up with a new sound card. No point in me changing my BDP-1 for  a 2

Regards Robert





Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 10 Apr 2013, 12:56 pm
Robert,how many songs can you put on one thumb drive 20 or more,inquiring minds would like to know,thx.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 10 Apr 2013, 01:10 pm
Robert,how many songs can you put on one thumb drive 20 or more,inquiring minds would like to know,thx.

Don, It 1st depends on the size of the thumb USB DRIVE
They come in 4GB,8GB,16GB,32GB,6GB, 128GB
I would say the average CD is between 350MG to 450MG
So if you do the calculation plenty Buddy  :thumb:

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 10 Apr 2013, 01:36 pm
Since I'm a grade 7 grad Robert,how many songs or cds on say a 4 gig TD.
Also are they're certain types(quality wise)TD's one should look at or are they all the same.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 10 Apr 2013, 02:01 pm
Since I'm a grade 7 grad Robert,how many songs or cds on say a 4 gig TD.
Also are they're certain types(quality wise)TD's one should look at or are they all the same.

Chris Rice is the genius at Bryston .... I would ask Him Buddy
Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 10 Apr 2013, 07:32 pm
Don,

i'd say about two cd per gigabyte if resolution is 44.1khz@16bit (wave).

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 10 Apr 2013, 11:43 pm
Werd,yes racked.
Al,two cd's per TD,that should be plenty for a few road house party's,thx.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 11 Apr 2013, 03:27 am

Al,two cd's per TD,that should be plenty for a few road house party's,thx.

...Don, i think that the minimum size of a thumbdrive is 4gb. so that would be around 8 cds (44.1@16, wave).

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: lycia on 11 Apr 2013, 10:19 am
From Engineering:

James,

I can confirm that it works fine with my setup.

Dan

Hello James:

Please thank Dan for me. I have now resolved the problem. In desperation I uninstalled the USB drivers and reinstalled. Surprisingly everything now works as it should, but an explanation is beyond me.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2013, 10:26 am
Hello James:

Please thank Dan for me. I have now resolved the problem. In desperation I uninstalled the USB drivers and reinstalled. Surprisingly everything now works as it should, but an explanation is beyond me.

Well that's great to hear. I tried 3 different units I have at home and they we fine as well :scratch:

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: zied on 11 Apr 2013, 03:39 pm
Hi all,
Just a quick update. I have received my van den hull optocoupler MK2 toslink and did compare performance with usb cable.  I can confirm that, at least on my system, there is no perceptible difference in performance when using van den hull toslink compared to using wireworld ultraviolet usb cable.
I am using the following system:
Audirvana on mac mini -- BDA-2 -- BP26 -- 4BSST2 -- PMC IB2.

Zied
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 11 Apr 2013, 09:20 pm
Werd,yes racked.
Al,two cd's per TD,that should be plenty for a few road house party's,thx.

Don

let me know when you get the dac and i will let you try my wywires xlr into it :thumb:, or my atlas opus in rca  :thumb: for digital connect.

if you want
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 12 Apr 2013, 01:14 pm
Werd,thanks for the generous offer.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 12 Apr 2013, 01:23 pm
Don did you Order your BDA-2 19" rack mount ?
I'll have to talk to James & Brian for my 12 % Commission.  :D

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 12 Apr 2013, 01:44 pm
Yes with the blu led's.
12% is not bad when you consider your putting up with me and my imported China Doll for an exclusive weekend at your place with 24 hr access to the pool and the back yard all expenses paid courtesy of Robert&Company :thumb:,now that's a deal.
Oh I's sorry Robert,I see you didn't read the fine print :nono:.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 15 Apr 2013, 10:45 am
Comparing the BDA-1 to BDA-2 the db level is higher on the BDA-1
On the same song when the 2 units are side by side the BDA-2 is lower volume. I have to raise the volume on my BP26 at least half to 3/4 on a notch. To obtain the same volume.
 James, can you please check with your engineering department .... if the db level of BDA-2 can be increased.

Thank you Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2013, 10:59 am
Comparing the BDA-1 to BDA-2 the db level is higher on the BDA-1
On the same song when the 2 units are side by side the BDA-2 is lower volume. I have to raise the volume on my BP26 at least half to 3/4 on a notch. To obtain the same volume.
 James, can you please check with your engineering department .... if the db level of BDA-2 can be increased.

Thank you Robert

Hi Robert

No the internal volume in the BDA is a function of the 'gain' in the system so it should not be played with.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 15 Apr 2013, 12:37 pm
Thanks for the fast answer James... 


James, BDA-2 ...I'm balanced connected to my BP26, Is the swing on the RCA's out to the BP26  any different ??? Db level.
For your info My 4bsst2 are a  balanced connected to my Bp26 ... gain is set at 2v or 23db at left and right channel of each 4bsst2.

Thanks Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2013, 04:06 pm
Thanks for the fast answer James... 


James, BDA-2 ...I'm balanced connected to my BP26, Is the swing on the RCA's out to the BP26  any different ??? Db level.
For your info My 4bsst2 are a  balanced connected to my Bp26 ... gain is set at 2v or 23db at left and right channel of each 4bsst2.

Thanks Robert

Balanced lines/circuits add an additional 6dB of gain.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2013, 04:10 pm
New BDA-2 review up:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dacs/dacs-reviews/bryston-bda-2-dac.html
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 15 Apr 2013, 05:52 pm
Balanced lines/circuits add an additional 6dB of gain.

james

Thank you James  that's my set up
I'll just raise the Volume  !
I was not sure...
Regards Robert


Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Apr 2013, 03:22 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Polish Review of Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP Digital Player


From: Robert Fijałkowski
Sent: April-16-13
To: James Tanner
Subject: Bryston BDA-2, BDP-2 - Audio Video Review

Dear Bryston,
Please find Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player review from Polish Magazine --- Audio Video Magazine.

ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/reviews/Bryston%20BDP-2_BDA-2_av4-13%20(2).pdf

A Few English Translated Sentences from the review:
"(...) A very good Class 2 USB input in the BDA-2, so that this DAC is one of the best asynchronous D/A converters in its own class.

BDA-2 is in a very well-balanced, rich and musical.

More of an emphasis on warmth, richness and natural sound color than the ruthless precision or resolution.

Best:
Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bobNL on 17 Apr 2013, 09:24 pm
Bryston does have some serious fans in Poland!
Same journal that selected BHA-1 as pre-amp of the year?

Bob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Mbain on 19 Apr 2013, 08:23 pm
To date I have not seen a direct reference comparing/contrasting the BDA-2 to other DACs.  I have been using an Audio Research DAC 8 as my reference, paired with A BDP-1.  I would like to hearing from anyone who has had the opportunity of compare the units mentioned above.

Mark
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hidefguy on 20 Apr 2013, 08:47 am
The retail price on the BDA-2 is attractive

James

I am interested in integrating a DAC to my standard B100-SST. With the price of all the BDA-1's going down in the used market and the low price of the BDA-2, I feel reluctant paying 1000 USD for the upgrade versus picking up a used BDA-1.
Would you be able to arrange a discounted rate on this older style DAC upgrade to the B100? Perhaps some incentive that will provide a mutual benefit to me, and your company? Thanks



Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 20 Apr 2013, 10:27 am
To date I have not seen a direct reference comparing/contrasting the BDA-2 to other DACs.  I have been using an Audio Research DAC 8 as my reference, paired with A BDP-1.  I would like to hearing from anyone who has had the opportunity of compare the units mentioned above.

Mark

This is NOT a review or a scientific test... in fact, its JUST 3rd party hearsay really. My local Bryston dealer loaned out a Berkeley Alpha v2 DAC and Bryston BDP-2 DAC to someone with a much higher end system than mine (~15k-20k speakers, thats all I know). He bought the Bryston BDA-2, and apparently it was an "easy" decision.

I understand its just one person's opinion that works for their equipment in their room. I'm keeping my eyes out for comparative reviews, so I'll post any I find here (I already ordered by BDA-2, but I still love to read reviews).
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Apr 2013, 11:08 am
The retail price on the BDA-2 is attractive

James

I am interested in integrating a DAC to my standard B100-SST. With the price of all the BDA-1's going down in the used market and the low price of the BDA-2, I feel reluctant paying 1000 USD for the upgrade versus picking up a used BDA-1.
Would you be able to arrange a discounted rate on this older style DAC upgrade to the B100? Perhaps some incentive that will provide a mutual benefit to me, and your company? Thanks

HI

The internal DAC in the b100 is only capable of 96/24 resolution so I would go with the outboard BDA-1 which can do 192/24.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Mbain on 20 Apr 2013, 02:32 pm
This is NOT a review or a scientific test... in fact, its JUST 3rd party hearsay really. My local Bryston dealer loaned out a Berkeley Alpha v2 DAC and Bryston BDP-2 DAC to someone with a much higher end system than mine (~15k-20k speakers, thats all I know). He bought the Bryston BDA-2, and apparently it was an "easy" decision.

I understand its just one person's opinion that works for their equipment in their room. I'm keeping my eyes out for comparative reviews, so I'll post any I find here (I already ordered by BDA-2, but I still love to read reviews).

Grit,
     Thanks very much for your piece of anecdotal information.  I look forward to further thoughts you and others may have on this topic.

Mark
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Samurai7595 on 20 Apr 2013, 07:02 pm
Another excellent review of the Bryston BDA-2 External DAC:

"I cannot think of higher praise, nor can I imagine living without the Bryston BDA-2."

http://www.avguide.com/review/bryston-bda-2-digital-analog-converter

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hidefguy on 20 Apr 2013, 07:32 pm
HI

The internal DAC in the b100 is only capable of 96/24 resolution so I would go with the outboard BDA-1 which can do 192/24.

james

Thanks for the advice James.
I'll keep that in mind. Just out of curiosity:
Is the price of the DAC upgrade for the B100 still $1000
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 21 Apr 2013, 01:04 am
Man, 11 days seems like a month since I ordered the BDA-2 19"RM in black an blue led's :lol:,no funny.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Apr 2013, 10:26 am
Thanks for the advice James.
I'll keep that in mind. Just out of curiosity:
Is the price of the DAC upgrade for the B100 still $1000

Hi

Yes I believe so.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Afterimage on 23 Apr 2013, 07:11 am
Man, 11 days seems like a month since I ordered the BDA-2 19"RM in black an blue led's :lol:,no funny.

I didn't know we had a choice of led's ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 24 Apr 2013, 01:35 pm
Yes,green or blue.
I went with blue as my two Pro cool rack fans have digital temp display in blue and it looks real nice against the black face :thumb:..


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79420)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ron D on 24 Apr 2013, 03:12 pm
Just ordered mine, didn't specify the LED color so I guess I'll have to contact my dealer. The new blue would be nice but green would match my 7Bs...

Having owned the BDA-1 in the past I am looking forward to the BDA-2's arrival, fingers crossed for 3 weeks :dance:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bjski on 24 Apr 2013, 05:04 pm
Waiting for mine. When it arrives I'll be able to compair it to my BDA-1. Hopefully the BDA-2 wins and I'll then sell my BDA-1.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 25 Apr 2013, 01:52 pm
How did you find out when to expect it? I'm waiting for my BDA-2 & BDP-2 also. ordered them about a week ago.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Afterimage on 25 Apr 2013, 02:43 pm
I ordered my BDA-2 from Audio Advisor.   They told me the next bacth is due in about May 1st.  They must be selling well. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: hal jones on 25 Apr 2013, 08:14 pm
Is there a way to turn the LED's off on the front panel?

See discussion: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=76642.msg1216979#new
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 28 Apr 2013, 01:29 am
3 Days before 30th,whats that mean :scratch:,hopefully if one of my dealers ordered the BDA-2 on the 9th.                                             then maybe she'll arrive Tues.30th might be the day. that's if its a three week wait.Here's a hoping.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: budcook on 28 Apr 2013, 01:50 am
Waiting for mine. When it arrives I'll be able to compair it to my BDA-1. Hopefully the BDA-2 wins and I'll then sell my BDA-1.
I just sold my BDA-1.  I like the BDA-2 because it has Asynchronous USB.  Streaming from iTunes on my MacBook Pro sounds pretty good using the USB port.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 29 Apr 2013, 11:52 pm
UH OH.my three weeks are up for the 19" BDA-2 with RH's and in Black withe the blu leds :green:.
Which means its snowing out in Alberta so the dog team that,s delivering it is probably snowed in :scratch:..
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 3 May 2013, 01:33 am
WOW,miscalculated for the BDA-2,TWENTY THREE days and SHOWTIME :thumb:: Should add the Blu LED's are real nice indeed.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79722)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 3 May 2013, 01:35 am
Here's a better one of the LED's only:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79724)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Robert D on 3 May 2013, 12:55 pm
Here's a better one of the LED's only:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79724)

Looking Good Sir  :thumb:
It sounds even better then it Looks  :thumb:

Robert
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 3 May 2013, 01:16 pm
Hi Robert,been spinnin a few discs :o(cds,what are those)an upgrade from casette :lol:.
Definitely not much time on the BDA-2.
I do have my BCD-1 connected also which you can hear a major boost in energy at all frequencies compared to the BDA-2.
I find that very interesting switching back and forth at the turn of the knob.
Really don't know if digital has to settle or I have to settle as it's new on my ears.
The Blu led's I very much prefer over green.
Anyway more spinnin to do.
By the way I bought some 3.7's from a guy I sold my Vac pre to(6 months old)just broken in :thumb:..
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2013, 02:05 pm
From: Ryan
Sent: May-03-13 9:45 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: RE: recent purchase

Hi James,

What a great product.  The combo of the BDA DAC and BDP music server make my digital playback sound almost as good as vinyl.  Amazing!. 

So thanks for that.

Ryan

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 6 May 2013, 12:42 pm
Did you get any notification about when your BDA-2 shipped? I ordered mine through a dealer who is having it shipped directly to me (since he will be away for a few weeks). Just wondering if I'd get a tracking number, or if they just show up?

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 May 2013, 02:01 pm
Did you get any notification about when your BDA-2 shipped? I ordered mine through a dealer who is having it shipped directly to me (since he will be away for a few weeks). Just wondering if I'd get a tracking number, or if they just show up?

Hi Grit

What dealer?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 6 May 2013, 02:12 pm
Hi James,

Jay at Audio Revelation. I ordered a BDP-2 and BDA-2, with blue lights.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 7 May 2013, 12:19 am
FedEx dropped them off at my door today! I think I'm taking the night off to install them!! :)

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: robb on 7 May 2013, 01:26 am
Do/will Bryston Dealers offer trade-ins of the Bda-1 for a Bda-2?

Rob
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2013, 03:07 am
Do/will Bryston Dealers offer trade-ins of the Bda-1 for a Bda-2?

Rob

Hi Robb

It is strictly up to the dealer.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Afterimage on 8 May 2013, 01:28 am
I have about 150 hours on my BDA-2 at this point.   How many hours until the BDA-2 is considered "burned in"?  I was just curious if there will be more improvements to come. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 May 2013, 02:17 am
I have about 150 hours on my BDA-2 at this point.   How many hours until the BDA-2 is considered "burned in"?  I was just curious if there will be more improvements to come.

I would say anything over 100 gets you 90% of the way there

James
Title: RS232 codes
Post by: Grit on 13 May 2013, 10:34 am
Can someone point me to the RS232 codes for the BDA-2? It'd be nice to set up my remote to automatically switch to the correct input.

Title: Re: RS232 codes
Post by: budcook on 13 May 2013, 02:14 pm
Can someone point me to the RS232 codes for the BDA-2? It'd be nice to set up my remote to automatically switch to the correct input.
Delete my reply
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 May 2013, 03:08 pm
Hi Folks,

On the weekend I was experimenting and just wanted to let customers know if they are using the MAC program AUDIRVANA software the INTEGER mode is available on the BDA-2 USB input.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 19 May 2013, 07:48 am
I used the firmware update via the Bryston web browser interface. I'm now updated to S1.70, compiled 4-9-13, labeled as release candidate 1. I wasn't expecting a firmware update, since the official version is dated back in December 2012.

In the future, will the web interface be able to inform end users if it's a release candidate, beta, or final firmware before updating?

And, is it possible to update backwards? I haven't had any problems, but was just curious.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2013, 10:35 am
I used the firmware update via the Bryston web browser interface. I'm now updated to S1.70, compiled 4-9-13, labeled as release candidate 1. I wasn't expecting a firmware update, since the official version is dated back in December 2012.

In the future, will the web interface be able to inform end users if it's a release candidate, beta, or final firmware before updating?

And, is it possible to update backwards? I haven't had any problems, but was just curious.

Hi

Yes the new software will inform you when an update is available on the Bryston 'Settings Page'.
You can load older software but we would have to email you the BIN file.

james


Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 24 May 2013, 04:43 pm
Can the BDA-2 be operated through the RS-232 interface? And if so, does anyone know where to get the codes?

And if not, how about the IR codes?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Mike Pickett on 24 May 2013, 04:50 pm
Can the BDA-2 be operated through the RS-232 interface? And if so, does anyone know where to get the codes?

And if not, how about the IR codes?

The BDA2 can be operated using the RS232 port, and you can find a list of commands on page 3 of the manual, here:

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/300029%5BBDA2%5D.pdf

The same three digit codes can also be sent from a BR2 remote control, if needed.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 25 May 2013, 07:52 am
Thanks Mike. Next time, I'll try reading the manual first. :duh:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: spotlightaudio on 28 May 2013, 05:21 pm
New BDP-2 , right channel playing louder than left. Can this be adjusted ? Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2013, 05:37 pm
New BDP-2 , right channel playing louder than left. Can this be adjusted ? Thanks

No sorry there is no adjustment within the BDP - you would have to do it on your preamp balance control.  Where is the imbalance coming from?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: spotlightaudio on 28 May 2013, 05:47 pm
Seems it is either the BDA-2 or BDP-2 .  Other sources connected to same input on preamp with same Bryston cables , no issues.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2013, 05:50 pm
Seems it is either the BDA-2 or BDP-2 .  Other sources connected to same input on preamp with same Bryston cables , no issues.

See if you can nail it down as I have never heard of this before :scratch: 

How much of a difference in level would you say there is?

Did you have the DAC before and all was OK?

Are you running Balanced or RCA?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: spotlightaudio on 28 May 2013, 09:01 pm
BDA and BDP  both  brand new .  Using bal. cables.  Same issue with supplied thumb drive and using external hard drive.  Right channel louder to the point I need to use the balance control on preamp.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2013, 09:08 pm
BDA and BDP  both  brand new .  Using bal. cables.  Same issue with supplied thumb drive and using external hard drive.  Right channel louder to the point I need to use the balance control on preamp.

Ok please call Mike Pickett at Bryston 18006328217.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: spotlightaudio on 28 May 2013, 09:21 pm
Thanks James, will do
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gtaphile on 31 May 2013, 01:29 pm
James,

We installed a BDA-2 and moved from a MAC outputting via a Halide USB to S/PDIF convertor to straight garden variety USB cable from the Mac to the USB BDA-2 input. In both instances Audirvana is used and the sound degraded significantly.

Is this mostly due to the USB cable or will a quality USB cable still leave a large gap in performance?

Thanks for your assistance.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 02:37 pm
James,

We installed a BDA-2 and moved from a MAC outputting via a Halide USB to S/PDIF convertor to straight garden variety USB cable from the Mac to the USB BDA-2 input. In both instances Audirvana is used and the sound degraded significantly.

Is this mostly due to the USB cable or will a quality USB cable still leave a large gap in performance?

Thanks for your assistance.

WOW tough one to answer as I get about a 50/50 from dealers and distributors and customers on the merits of both USB and AES or BNC out.  I prefer the AES as I feel it has more air and extension but if your system is on the bright side you may prefer the USB.

james

PS - not to mention over all the contraversary regarding the technical merits of eac approach.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: budcook on 31 May 2013, 03:32 pm
WOW tough one to answer as I get about a 50/50 from dealers and distributors and customers on the merits of both USB and AES or BNC out.  I prefer the AES as I feel it has more air and extension but if your system is on the bright side you may prefer the USB.

james

PS - not to mention over all the contraversary regarding the technical merits of eac approach.
I've compared all three as connections between the BDP-2 and the BDA-2.  Cardas AES, good quality Audioquest BNC and run of the mill USB.  AES is clearly the best connection followed by the BNC and then USB.  I can't say how much better USB would be if it was something like the Cardas Clear but I believe comparing apples to apples in cable quality my preferences wouldn't change.  The AES connection provides a better sound stage.  The USB cable has the advantage in cost.  A Cardas USB cable is about half the cost of the other two in the Cardas lineup and it can be used to feed the DAC from either a computer or the Bryston BDP.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2013, 03:55 pm
What about the idea of a scalled down BDP-1 with no soundcard and USB out only - could save about 20% on the cost of the BDP-1,....  could call it the BDP .5  ????


james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gtaphile on 31 May 2013, 05:44 pm
WOW tough one to answer as I get about a 50/50 from dealers and distributors and customers on the merits of both USB and AES or BNC out.  I prefer the AES as I feel it has more air and extension but if your system is on the bright side you may prefer the USB.

james

PS - not to mention over all the contraversary regarding the technical merits of eac approach.

So it sounds like the computer grade USB cable is the major difference. Will try an audio world cable.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 1 Jun 2013, 07:07 am
What about the idea of a scalled down BDP-1 with no soundcard and USB out only - could save about 20% on the cost of the BDP-1,....  could call it the BDP .5  ????


james

...nice idea, James. but i think that most of the people would prefer a .5 version of the BDP-2 due to its increased performance and inputs?!?!

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jun 2013, 11:42 am
...nice idea, James. but i think that most of the people would prefer a .5 version of the BDP-2 due to its increased performance and inputs?!?!

al.

I was thinking the BDP1 though as it would allow someone to get that level of quality at a much lower price point?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81507)
BDP 0.5

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Brovig on 1 Jun 2013, 04:39 pm
WOW tough one to answer as I get about a 50/50 from dealers and distributors and customers on the merits of both USB and AES or BNC out.  I prefer the AES as I feel it has more air and extension but if your system is on the bright side you may prefer the USB.

james

James, what is your recommended USB cable for the BDA-2?

And I see you're testing out various players, including the Audirvana. Any conclusions yet? 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jun 2013, 02:47 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                                       
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2/BDA-2 Review HP Soundings


Hi Folks,

Please see below a link to a review on the new Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player and BDA-2 DAC

The review is from ‘HP Soundings’ which is Harry Pearson’s (from Absolute Sound Magazine fame) new online magazine.

http://www.hpsoundings.com/2013/06/review-bryston-bdabdp-2/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 4 Jun 2013, 04:43 pm
 :banana piano:

Congratulations on yet another stellar review, James. As an owner of the BDP-2 and BDA-2, the observations and conclusions that Mr. McCallum presents in his cogent and well written article ring true. These components offer accuracy, resolution, power, and most of all engagement that I had not heretofore experienced with my system.

I had avoided digital downloads and computer-based audio because of technical complexities, noise/interference, and other interface problems. The BDP-2 solved all that. I use a hardwired gigabit connection to our Mac network, and management of the 500gb SSD I installed in the player is clear and logical. When I ran into a couple of technical glitches, Chris Rice worked his magic, spending over an hour on the phone with me to resolve matters.

One matter meriting further attention is the expandability of both components. The multiplicity of connections in the BDA-2 and the BDP-2 offer impressive versatility, and the increased power of the BDP-2 presents users wishing to control vast digital libraries with the resources to do so.

Now all we need is the BOT-1! Of course, we're all waiting patiently.  :hyper:

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bjski on 10 Jun 2013, 10:01 pm
I just replaced my BDA-1 with a BDA-2. Wow, if your on the fence get it. :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 12 Jun 2013, 03:52 pm
I just replaced my BDA-1 with a BDA-2. Wow, if your on the fence get it. :thumb:

The bda2 is fuckn unbelievable.  :thumb. Have a naim V-1 dac in house right now and it cant do what the bda can do sonically..
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jeffjensen on 16 Jun 2013, 10:33 pm
I was thinking the BDP1 though as it would allow someone to get that level of quality at a much lower price point?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81507)
BDP 0.5

james

That's a nice idea.  What about HDMI input (audio only)?  HDMI and USB are all I need for BDA inputs.

Digital source players have greatly moved that direction, and some e.g. latest Denon, only have HDMI outs.  I'd like to use HDMI out from sources without buying an SP3 (just too much $$), for HDMI higher performance/bandwidth than the coax/toslink.

My other desire is a separate unit of only the surround processing - a stripped SP.  i.e. use BDA with the stripped SP.  DACs have changed faster than other equipment (on par with video), and ability to upgrade BDA but keep 7.1 processor is what I'm looking for.  Best of breed and easier replacement via components.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jun 2013, 10:34 pm
That's a nice idea.  What about HDMI input (audio only)?  HDMI and USB are all I need for BDA inputs.

Digital source players have greatly moved that direction, and some e.g. latest Denon, only have HDMI outs.  I'd like to use HDMI out from sources without buying an SP3 (just too much $$), for HDMI higher performance/bandwidth than the coax/toslink.

My other desire is a separate unit of only the surround processing - a stripped SP.  i.e. use BDA with the stripped SP.  DACs have changed faster than other equipment (on par with video), and ability to upgrade BDA but keep 7.1 processor is what I'm looking for.  Best of breed and easier replacement via components.

Hi

HDMI has a lot of jitter.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jeffjensen on 17 Jun 2013, 12:18 am
Hi

HDMI has a lot of jitter.

james

SP3 processes HDMI audio input; isn't the problem then solved?  Should I infer that, since the SP3 seems to have solved the problem, that the solution is not cost effective enough for your BDA .5 idea?

What about the SP .5 thought; is that feasible or not from your perspective (or is that already in the works! :-) )?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jun 2013, 01:35 am
SP3 processes HDMI audio input; isn't the problem then solved?  Should I infer that, since the SP3 seems to have solved the problem, that the solution is not cost effective enough for your BDA .5 idea?

What about the SP .5 thought; is that feasible or not from your perspective (or is that already in the works! :-) )?

Hi

It depends on the quality you are after  its just that HDMI has more jitter than other methods and on the BDP we wanted a product with the lowest amount of jitter possible given current technology.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jul 2013, 11:18 am
Hi Folks,

New review on Bryston BDA-2 DAC from Soundstage Magazine

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/597-bryston-bda-2-digital-to-analog-converter

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: bjski on 3 Jul 2013, 01:53 pm
Nice review James. You should have sent him a BDP so he could fully appreciate the BDA-2.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jul 2013, 10:29 am
From: Jay
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:10 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDA-2 & BDP-2

James, you may recall answering several queries of mine on the subject units; utilizing my Oppo BDP-95 as a transport and replacing my computer with the BDP-2.

Taking a leap of faith, I had Audio Perfection order both units. I've had the units nearly one month now and I'm very happy with the build quality, design, and most importantly; the sound. Aside losing the ability to play SACD's through the DAC (minor nit), I have been very happy.

Bryston's quality stands apart and I appreciate it. Thank you for all your assistance.

Best regards,
Jay Tuominen
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mr_bill on 5 Jul 2013, 05:14 pm
The guys at Audio Perfection in Minneapolis are great
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: project1971 on 27 Jul 2013, 09:44 am
Hi Folks

Been playing around with the BDA-2 USB asynchronous input using a variety of files up to 192/24.

I have tried it with my PC using JRiver and Media Monkey as well as my MAC laptop using Amarra and Pure Music.

Any other programs I should try?

James

HI JAMES
i have bda1 with ext hiface evo and  problems on 192/24 lock unstable (usb wireworld 2m and 1.2m. I see from your report that bda2 usb is working flawless on 24/192 .what length and quality is the usb cable you are using from pc ?
thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jul 2013, 12:23 pm
HI JAMES
i have bda1 with ext hiface evo and  problems on 192/24 lock unstable (usb wireworld 2m and 1.2m. I see from your report that bda2 usb is working flawless on 24/192 .what length and quality is the usb cable you are using from pc ?
thanks

Hi

My cable is about a meter

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 09:35 am
Hello!

I am a new member here. Recently I have ordered a BDA-2 D/A converter and the domestic distributor informed me that I would receive it shortly. I am very excited about this machine because over the last couple of months, I have searched and searched and auditioned a couple of other machines till I settled on the BDA-2.

Bryston naturally came to mind because six months ago I purchased a BHA-1 headphone amplifier and have been most impressed with it's natural sound and build quality. I was also most impressed with the guarantee and indeed, it is something to have and enjoy for many years even though I have no doubt that Bryston will be releasing improved versions every six or seven years.

However, I still wanted to give other brands a good chance to prove themselves and some of them were close and some equally good in some respects. There were also many categories in which BDA-2 took the lead so to speak so in some, but admittedly rare, cases it was subtle difference.

I also asked the Bryston's distributor for this part of Europe if they could install 4 RCA S/PDIF inputs instead of 2 RCA and 2 BNC. Shortly after, they informed me that it was indeed possible and that they would do it as a special order. Quite a service I must say. I just hope it didn't cause any problems for the engineers.

I have a couple of questions so if someone could provide some answers, I would be most grateful.

First, in a BDA-1 video, the sales representative talked about discrete input (before the D-A) and output (after D-A) stages. I know that BDA-2 also has a discrete output stage but were any changes done in the input stage? Is it still discrete?

In fact, apart from the change of D-A conversions chips and changes in the power suply (one larger transformer instead of two smaller shielded ones) are there any other differences in hardware?

All the best from Croatia!
Antun

 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 10:09 am
Hello!

I am a new member here. Recently I have ordered a BDA-2 D/A converter and the domestic distributor informed me that I would receive it shortly. I am very excited about this machine because over the last couple of months, I have searched and searched and auditioned a couple of other machines till I settled on the BDA-2.

Bryston naturally came to mind because six months ago I purchased a BHA-1 headphone amplifier and have been most impressed with it's natural sound and build quality. I was also most impressed with the guarantee and indeed, it is something to have and enjoy for many years even though I have no doubt that Bryston will be releasing improved versions every six or seven years.

However, I still wanted to give other brands a good chance to prove themselves and some of them were close and some equally good in some respects. There were also many categories in which BDA-2 took the lead so to speak so in some, but admittedly rare, cases it was subtle difference.

I also asked the Bryston's distributor for this part of Europe if they could install 4 RCA S/PDIF inputs instead of 2 RCA and 2 BNC. Shortly after, they informed me that it was indeed possible and that they would do it as a special order. Quite a service I must say. I just hope it didn't cause any problems for the engineers.

I have a couple of questions so if someone could provide some answers, I would be most grateful.

First, in a BDA-1 video, the sales representative talked about discrete input (before the D-A) and output (after D-A) stages. I know that BDA-2 also has a discrete output stage but were any changes done in the input stage? Is it still discrete?

In fact, apart from the change of D-A conversions chips and changes in the power suply (one larger transformer instead of two smaller shielded ones) are there any other differences in hardware?

All the best from Croatia!
Antun

Hi Antun

The BDA2 is discrete and as you described the differences are the DACs and the power supply and the USB input is now async 192/24 capable.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 10:28 am
Hi Antun

The BDA2 is discrete and as you described the differences are the DACs and the power supply and the USB input is now async 192/24 capable.

james

Thank you very much Sir!

I have one more question. Since I already ordered the special order machine, can you please tell me are there any other differences apart from the two types of connectors (RCA and BNC) with these two kinds of S/PDIF digital inputs? For example, to use 4 RCA instead of 2 RCA and 2 BNC connectors, was it necessary to modify the circuit board in some way to accomodate RCA connectors where BNC connectors were suppoes to be. I am just wondering if my special order caused any problems for your engineering crew.

Take care!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 11:19 am
Thank you very much Sir!

I have one more question. Since I already ordered the special order machine, can you please tell me are there any other differences apart from the two types of connectors (RCA and BNC) with these two kinds of S/PDIF digital inputs? For example, to use 4 RCA instead of 2 RCA and 2 BNC connectors, was it necessary to modify the circuit board in some way to accomodate RCA connectors where BNC connectors were suppoes to be. I am just wondering if my special order caused any problems for your engineering crew.

Take care!
Antun

Hi

The only change is the connector not the circuit board. Is there a particular reason you do not want BNC?  Because it is a better connector due to impedance consistency thought the digital circuit path.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 12:53 pm
Hi

The only change is the connector not the circuit board. Is there a particular reason you do not want BNC?  Because it is a better connector due to impedance consistency thought the digital circuit path.

James

Hello!

Well, my reason is simply convenience I'm afraid. I simply do not have a BNC-equipped digital source. I know there are cables with either RCA or BNC connectors but I already have a few source components with RCA outputs and so I wouldn't have use for the BNC.

Mr. Brian Russel informed me that this could be done without diminishing of sound quality. That was my main concern with this special offer I must admit. Are there going to be some negative side-effects to this procedure? Was Mr. Russel wrong?

You got me a bit worried now.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 13 Aug 2013, 01:27 pm
A cable with a BNC at one end and an RCA at the other is easy to find.  I made several when I had my BDA-1 DAC.  BNC is a better connection.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 03:45 pm
Hello!

Well, my reason is simply convenience I'm afraid. I simply do not have a BNC-equipped digital source. I know there are cables with either RCA or BNC connectors but I already have a few source components with RCA outputs and so I wouldn't have use for the BNC.

Mr. Brian Russel informed me that this could be done without diminishing of sound quality. That was my main concern with this special offer I must admit. Are there going to be some negative side-effects to this procedure? Was Mr. Russel wrong?

You got me a bit worried now.

HI,

Digital signals operate at very high frequencies so maintaining proper impedances along the circuit path is always a good idea. We use matching impedance transformers on all the inputs so it is not a big deal with the BDA-2 as there would be very little if any differences between the connections.  That being said thouigh some customers seem to prefer the sound of the AES EBU first the BNC second and the RCA next.  Just having the option to try both seemed like it might be a better option for you going forward?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 04:10 pm
HI,

Digital signals operate at very high frequencies so maintaining proper impedances along the circuit path is always a good idea. We use matching impedance transformers on all the inputs so it is not a big deal with the BDA-2 as there would be very little if any differences between the connections.  That being said thouigh some customers seem to prefer the sound of the AES EBU first the BNC second and the RCA next.  Just having the option to try both seemed like it might be a better option for you going forward?

james

Hello and thank you for a quick reply!

Well, it does appear more versatile with 3 types of connectors. I will certainly have a good use of the AES because I would like to purchase one of your BDP digital players at a later date.

I suppose I could have used a cable with RCA on one end and BNC on the other. That would, however, mean I would still be using two RCA-RCA cables on the inputs that have these connectors and therefore, it would not be the same as the ones connected via BNC-RCA cables. You see, I had an idea of doing a thorough test of these transports so I wanted to have four identical RCA inputs. It didn't occur to me to ask for four BNC connectors I must admit. It is because I am not used to this connector and haven't had a chance to own something that has it.

Okay, so as far as I can see, the BDA-2 is well equipped to compensate for any differences that might arise from the connection type.

Will I be getting identical performance on all four RCA inputs? Also, will it equal the two RCA inputs on a standard machine?

Thank you again!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 13 Aug 2013, 04:12 pm
I ran my BDA-1 with identical cables (the only difference was termination on one end), two being RCA to RCA and two being RCA to BNC.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 04:19 pm
Will I be getting identical performance on all four RCA inputs? Also, will it equal the two RCA inputs on a standard machine?

Thank you again!

Hi,

Yes identical performance on all RCA inputs and equal to the RCA's on the standard unit.
Enjoy!

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 04:29 pm
Will I be getting identical performance on all four RCA inputs? Also, will it equal the two RCA inputs on a standard machine?

Thank you again!

Hi,

Yes identical performance on all RCA inputs and equal to the RCA's on the standard unit.
Enjoy!

james

Excellent! Thank you!

Now here is a theoretical question. If one were to use a source with RCA output and then run that output into the BDA-2, which connection would be better - if he were to use an RCA-RCA cable and connect it to the RCA input or if he were to use an RCA-BNC cable and connect it to the BNC input?

With the impedance matching transformers on the inputs, how big of a difference could it be?

I am sorry for all of these questions but there are so many things to know.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 04:33 pm
I ran my BDA-1 with identical cables (the only difference was termination on one end), two being RCA to RCA and two being RCA to BNC.


Hello!

Please tell me, would you be able to tell the difference between connectors in the setup you have described? If you, for example, used the same source and then used the RCA-RCA cable on the RCA input and then change the cable to an RCA-BNC type and use the BNC input. Would this single change of a connector (even if the source is using an RCA output) change things?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 04:52 pm
Hello!

Please tell me, would you be able to tell the difference between connectors in the setup you have described? If you, for example, used the same source and then used the RCA-RCA cable on the RCA input and then change the cable to an RCA-BNC type and use the BNC input. Would this single change of a connector (even if the source is using an RCA output) change things?

I would say you would have a difficult time hearing a difference.  I personally like the AES.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 05:05 pm
I would say you would have a difficult time hearing a difference.  I personally like the AES.

james

Yes, well, somehow I think that would be the case.

Do you find the AES3 significantly superior to the S/PDIF inputs?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 05:11 pm
Yes, well, somehow I think that would be the case.

Do you find the AES3 significantly superior to the S/PDIF inputs?

Hi -  Yes ... seems to add a greater sense of space and air around the instruments. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 05:24 pm
Hi -  Yes ... seems to add a greater sense of space and air around the instruments. :thumb:

james

That is quite fascinating!! I will be sure to use AES3 whenever it is possible then!!

But to assure me (I am really difficult, I know), when you said that some customers have reported they prefer the BNC connection over the RCA, what are your personal thoughts on that?

I assume all of these people have used a source with BNC output, not just a cable that has BNC on one end.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Aug 2013, 05:41 pm
That is quite fascinating!! I will be sure to use AES3 whenever it is possible then!!

But to assure me (I am really difficult, I know), when you said that some customers have reported they prefer the BNC connection over the RCA, what are your personal thoughts on that?

I assume all of these people have used a source with BNC output, not just a cable that has BNC on one end.

I think the differences and preferences people hear have a lot to do with the rest of their audio system than the specfic connection used.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Aug 2013, 05:56 pm
I think the differences and preferences people hear have a lot to do with the rest of their audio system than the specfic connection used.

james

Dear Sir, thank you very much for all your replies. They made plenty things clear for me! I must say that I wasn't really aware of the facts you spoke of but your replies reassure me that I made the right choice in any case. Of course, the AES3 input, as you have stated, is clearly the highest quality one and will be reserved for one of your own BDP digital players which I hope to purchase in the coming months.

I must also say that I am quite excited about the BOT-1 optical media transport you are currently working on.

Best wishes from Croatia,
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stereoal on 14 Aug 2013, 05:48 am
I connect my CD player to my Bryston DAC with a RCA to BNC cable. The BNC end connects to the DAC. The nice thing about BNC is that it is a locking connection, making it very solid. The cables are made by Bryston and I ordered them with my equipment. The cables are well made, reasonably priced and sound great. If you can purchase one of these cables, I would stick with the BNC connections on the DAC. It is better to use a BNC cable because they are more accurate in achieving the necessary 75 ohms.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 14 Aug 2013, 07:15 am
I connect my CD player to my Bryston DAC with a RCA to BNC cable. The BNC end connects to the DAC. The nice thing about BNC is that it is a locking connection, making it very solid. The cables are made by Bryston and I ordered them with my equipment. The cables are well made, reasonably priced and sound great. If you can purchase one of these cables, I would stick with the BNC connections on the DAC. It is better to use a BNC cable because they are more accurate in achieving the necessary 75 ohms.

Oh yes, I think their cables are excellent too. I just wanted to have four identical inputs on the BDA-2 so they agreed to use four RCA connectors. They are more common and like Mr. Tanner said, I doubt I could detect any difference providing source component uses the RCA as well. If the source had a BNC output, then using a BNC-BNC connection might prove to be a better connection but since BDA-2 has input transformers that compensate for impedance mismatch, even this should be difficult to detect. In my specific case, I don't own a BNC-equipped digital source so I can't have BNC-BNC connection even if I wanted to.

But tell me, do the RCA connectors on BNC cables have locking mechanisms? I think I have seen something similar a few years ago. I don't know which cable it was but the sleeve part around the RCA connector was screwed onto the chassis and the cable could not have been removed before unscrewing this sleeve.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2013, 11:17 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85304)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 14 Aug 2013, 11:43 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85304)

Thank you James!

That cable really looks high quality.

The one I mentioned was from some other company but I don't know which one. The connectors were RCA on both ends and they had a sleeve similar to the one on your BNC connector shown in the picture.

Does Bryston make their own connectors or do they source them from elsewhere?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2013, 12:22 pm
Thank you James!

That cable really looks high quality.

The one I mentioned was from some other company but I don't know which one. The connectors were RCA on both ends and they had a sleeve similar to the one on your BNC connector shown in the picture.

Does Bryston make their own connectors or do they source them from elsewhere?

We source the cable and the connectors - the cables we offer are really not aimed at the more 'esoteric' part of the cable market.  We are just trying to provide our customers with a good quality scientifically based cable and they can experiment with more up market cables from there if they wish.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Aug 2013, 12:48 pm
The cables look nice.  Are those Canare connectors?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2013, 12:52 pm
The cables look nice.  Are those Canare connectors?

I believe so and the RCA is a true 75 ohm version.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Aug 2013, 01:29 pm
James, thought so as that's what I use.  With the Canare tools, they are easy to make.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: SHV on 14 Aug 2013, 03:38 pm
James, thought so as that's what I use.  With the Canare tools, they are easy to make.

I do the same thing; Canare, Neutrik connectors and Canare, Mogami, etc. wire, high quality, low cost and I know that the impedance is correctly matched.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Aug 2013, 04:50 pm
For digital cables, I used Belden 1506A, which is precision video cable.  It takes the Canare '4' size connectors (the crimp tools come with different dies that screw in and out to crimp the pin that goes on the cable and the clamp that holds the connector to the cable).  I've tried a few boutique cables but have not found anything I prefer better.  At one point I was going to go into the cable making business and was up to the point of thinking about experimenting with digital cable design after I had gotten settled on analog stuff but just dropped the stuff.  The Bryston stuff looks like nice basic stuff that will work very well.  I use Canare cable for video cables.  Their connectors ('F,' RCA or BNC) are nice for the money and easy to work with.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: SHV on 14 Aug 2013, 09:05 pm
"I've tried a few boutique cables but have not found anything I prefer better."
******
About ten years ago,  a friend gave me 6-8 single boutique interconnects to play with.  Ten years ago, they retailed for high 100s to several thousand per pair.   Underneath the fancy covers, the "guts" were pretty mundane.  The second most expensive cable had cold solder joints and the most expensive, with a "special", sealed box as part of the cable, had a few cheap resistors and caps connected in a non-functional configuration.  Cured me of my high end wire envy.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Aug 2013, 09:52 pm
"I've tried a few boutique cables but have not found anything I prefer better."
******
About ten years ago,  a friend gave me 6-8 single boutique interconnects to play with.  Ten years ago, they retailed for high 100s to several thousand per pair.   Underneath the fancy covers, the "guts" were pretty mundane.  The second most expensive cable had cold solder joints and the most expensive, with a "special", sealed box as part of the cable, had a few cheap resistors and caps connected in a non-functional configuration.  Cured me of my high end wire envy.

Steve

Steve, although I make my own and buy some cables since I think they may sound a hair better than mine and I don't feel the need to upgrade other things in the system, I have one that's better.  I met one of my friends who lives not too far away by helping to deliver his system with a friend who worked at a high end store.  I believe they gave him 10% his cables since he bought a whole system.  Electronics wise it was a Bryston SP1.7 and 9BSST.  I believe the retail of the (balanced) cables between his (left and right channel of the) amp an preamp was $1,095, the single ended cables between his CD player and preamp was $650 and the left and right channel speaker cables were $1.8k.  One day he borrowed an SACD player (with multi-channel capability) from the store and brought it home Saturday night and the store is closed Sunday and Monday.  He forgot to bring home cables and the store was closed.  He asked me if I had 3 identical pairs of cables.  I can easily make my cables look like boutique cables (I believe I have a couple of shots in my Gallery).  I had separate SACD and DVD-A players and had a Sony TA-P9000ES (multi-channel preamp with level controls) going into my SP1.7 at the time.  Since the cables could not be seen, they looked home made.  I brought them over and he pretty much laughed looking at them.  The next day he called me and asked me to come over and he had done an A/B initially with the CD player (which had two identical pair of outputs) and it was a night and day difference and mine was the better one.  He then replaced the cables between the amp and preamp and it got better again.  He asked me what I would charge to make him cables and he almost fell over when I told him just the cost of parts and $35/pair.  He now has replaced everything with my cables.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 15 Aug 2013, 12:45 am
Hey Phil,

I sent you a PM with some questions about homemade cables.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 15 Aug 2013, 01:19 am
Hey Phil,

I sent you a PM with some questions about homemade cables.

- Garrett

Thanks, got it and replied.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 15 Aug 2013, 11:40 am
I believe so and the RCA is a true 75 ohm version.

james

Hi James!

If the RCA connectors are true 75 Ohm connectors, then it eliminates the need for BNC connectors, right? Or am I completely wrong?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 15 Aug 2013, 11:43 am
Fellas, you are really amazing!

Could someone direct me to where I could look at these Canare cables you spoke of?

Thanks!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 15 Aug 2013, 12:12 pm
Fellas, you are really amazing!

Could someone direct me to where I could look at these Canare cables you spoke of?

Thanks!
Antun

In the US, Markertek and Have, Inc. both are Canare Distributors and sell the cables, pins (which crimp on the center conductor) and connectors.  I know Have, Inc.  (I believe in Upstate, NY), will make up cables too.  I've not used the Canare Cables for Digital Audio but I do use them for video cables for composite, component or RF cables.  Canare has a website - http://www.canare.com/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: SHV on 15 Aug 2013, 02:24 pm
"In the US, Markertek and Have, Inc. both are Canare Distributors and sell the cables,"
*****
Markertek also has a large selection of pre made cables using Canare, Neutrik, etc. components, at a fraction of the cost of boutique.  Markertek is a commercial supplier of A-V stuff, so the selection is huge.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 15 Aug 2013, 03:01 pm
Thanks very much guys!

The selection is huge indeed! I spend two hours just looking at all thos wires. They have an immense list of options. I must find something good in the SPDIF RCA range.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Aug 2013, 07:49 pm
Hello!

Okay, yesterday I was informed that the BDA-2 has arrived and that it was waiting for me. So today I went to Zagreb (the capital of Croatia) which is 220km away and took it home. It is now safely connected on the stereo rack and has been playing music ever since it was first turned on three hours ago. I must say, I am guite impressed. Of course, I have listened to it before but never in the confines of my home and away from the hush and rush of everday life. It is dark outside but I somehow feel well and rested even after a long trip. Well, it has much to do with the performance of this machine.

It is very neutral, I will say that. Not just in terms of the response because that is not difficult to do. What is difficult to accomplish is a neutral tone where certain instrumnets sound like real live instruments. That is just one of the criteria I set when I decided to invest in a digital source component. I must say that this machine does that and does it in such an effortless way that it is almost insolent.The overal character of the sound is very smooth throughout the range and I am impressed with the way how high end is handled. Even on recordings that weren't mastered really well, it manages to stay in control of the things and not cause any damage with aggressive filtering. It extends pretty high too and electronic instruments seem to like it. Imaging is exceptional. Very, very realistic and with a sound stage that has adequate width, depth and height.

Technically, it is a very accomplished project. Once the input has been selected, it locks onto the incoming signal instantly which is quite impressive because that has certainly not been my experience with other machines. Build quality in general is excellent and the quality of connectors is excellent as well. My particular BDA-2 has 4 RCA inputs and this is what I asked for. They delivered, no doubt.

I do have one questions. Apparently, the finish on the top and sides of the BDA-2 is not as smooth as the surfaces on the BHA-1 headphone amplifier. The bottom of the BDA-2 is the same as all other surfaces of the BHA-1 however so this a bit puzzling. The BHA-1 finish (which seems to me is an anode-type scratch-resistant plating but I could be wrong) is noticeably smoother.

Cheers - Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Aug 2013, 12:12 pm
Hi fellas!

Do the Bryston digital components come with a measurement sheet of the actual unit like the analog components do?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Aug 2013, 06:18 pm
Hi guys!

Would someone please comment on this?

I found out that if you connect a CD player to the BDA-2, the DAC will remain locked onto the signal as long as the CD player is turned on and regardless of if it is playing the CD or not. However, this is not valid for USB. If you use a program like Foobar, the DAC is locked onto the signal while the software is playing music. Once you stop the placback, the DAC will remain locked for about two seconds and then it will unlock and the sampling rate indicator will go off. Once you start playback again, it will automatically lock again. Can someone explain why?

Also, I have noticed that in Windows media player for this reason you can miss the first second of the song - because when you start playing a song, the DAC will need a moment to lock onto the signal and you will miss the first second of the song. This doesn't happen in Foobar. Foobar has been set to the appropriate driver of the BDA-2 as the output device in the settings. Windows media player has not been tampered with and I haven't set it up because I don't use it, it was just an experiement.

This is all very new to me so can someone please explain.

Thank you!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: brucek on 19 Aug 2013, 06:57 pm
I found out that if you connect a CD player to the BDA-2, the DAC will remain locked onto the signal as long as the CD player is turned on and regardless of if it is playing the CD or not. However, this is not valid for USB. If you use a program like Foobar, the DAC is locked onto the signal while the software is playing music. Once you stop the placback, the DAC will remain locked for about two seconds and then it will unlock and the sampling rate indicator will go off. Once you start playback again, it will automatically lock again. Can someone explain why?

Also, I have noticed that in Windows media player for this reason you can miss the first second of the song - because when you start playing a song, the DAC will need a moment to lock onto the signal and you will miss the first second of the song. This doesn't happen in Foobar. Foobar has been set to the appropriate driver of the BDA-2 as the output device in the settings. Windows media player has not been tampered with and I haven't set it up because I don't use it, it was just an experiement.

This is all very new to me so can someone please explain.

Thank you!
Antun

Generally, if you think about a DVD multipurpose player, it can play CD's that output PCM, it can play DVD's that output PCM, AC-3, or DTS. A Blu-ray player also has several more bit stream types that it can output.

So, how does the DAC know what type of decoding to use? Generally in an HT system the decoders monitor the bit stream so as to know when to switch decoding types. When DSPs detect a change, the volume controllers are muted right away, and the appropriate bit stream detection and mode switching routines are called.

If you're using a dedicated CD player, the only output type will be PCM, so even though a CD isn't playing, it can be confident enough to output digital zero at all other times. A DAC will lock onto the digital zero and will never miss the beginning of a song once a CD actually starts playing.

Any other type of device doesn't have this confidence, and so doesn't output anything until it begins to play. It takes a few seconds for the DAC to lock onto the new bit stream it receives and you may indeed miss a second at the start.

brucek

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Aug 2013, 07:28 pm
Generally, if you think about a DVD multipurpose player, it can play CD's that output PCM, it can play DVD's that output PCM, AC-3, or DTS. A Blu-ray player also has several more bit stream types that it can output.

So, how does the DAC know what type of decoding to use? Generally in an HT system the decoders monitor the bit stream so as to know when to switch decoding types. When DSPs detect a change, the volume controllers are muted right away, and the appropriate bit stream detection and mode switching routines are called.

If you're using a dedicated CD player, the only output type will be PCM, so even though a CD isn't playing, it can be confident enough to output digital zero at all other times. A DAC will lock onto the digital zero and will never miss the beginning of a song once a CD actually starts playing.

Any other type of device doesn't have this confidence, and so doesn't output anything until it begins to play. It takes a few seconds for the DAC to lock onto the new bit stream it receives and you may indeed miss a second at the start.

brucek

That makes plenty sense to me, thank you!

With Foobar it never misses that first moment. Would that have something to with the fact Foobar is using the BDA-2 driver as the output device while other programs are not?

I just don't like seeing it unlock so often. I am afraid that something might break down.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2013, 07:33 pm
Hi fellas!

Do the Bryston digital components come with a measurement sheet of the actual unit like the analog components do?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi,

No sheet with the BDP.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2013, 07:35 pm
Hi guys!

Would someone please comment on this?

I found out that if you connect a CD player to the BDA-2, the DAC will remain locked onto the signal as long as the CD player is turned on and regardless of if it is playing the CD or not. However, this is not valid for USB. If you use a program like Foobar, the DAC is locked onto the signal while the software is playing music. Once you stop the placback, the DAC will remain locked for about two seconds and then it will unlock and the sampling rate indicator will go off. Once you start playback again, it will automatically lock again. Can someone explain why?

Also, I have noticed that in Windows media player for this reason you can miss the first second of the song - because when you start playing a song, the DAC will need a moment to lock onto the signal and you will miss the first second of the song. This doesn't happen in Foobar. Foobar has been set to the appropriate driver of the BDA-2 as the output device in the settings. Windows media player has not been tampered with and I haven't set it up because I don't use it, it was just an experiement.

This is all very new to me so can someone please explain.

Thank you!
Antun

Hi,

It just depends on whether the source is outputting a digital bitstream or not when in pause, stop etc.  It will vary from source to source and from program to program.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Aug 2013, 07:39 pm
Hi,

No sheet with the BDP.

james

Hi James!

I was referring to the BDA-2 but I suppose the sheet doesn't come with that machine either. It's a shame, that would be really lovely. I was most impressed with that when I purchased the BHA-1.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Aug 2013, 07:54 pm
Hi,

It just depends on whether the source is outputting a digital bitstream or not when in pause, stop etc.  It will vary from source to source and from program to program.

james

Hi James!

That makes sense. Does it harm the BDA-2 if it locks and unlocks so often?

Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: brucek on 19 Aug 2013, 08:11 pm
Quote from: R. Daneel
That makes sense. Does it harm the BDA-2 if it locks and unlocks so often?

No.

brucek
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2013, 08:15 pm
Hi James!

That makes sense. Does it harm the BDA-2 if it locks and unlocks so often?

Antun

Hi,

No it will not hurt the BDA-2 - but stand back when it switches as some have reported sterility as a byproduct of too much switching. :P

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Aug 2013, 09:07 pm
Hi,

No it will not hurt the BDA-2 - but stand back when it switches as some have reported sterility as a byproduct of too much switching. :P

james

LOL!! Hilarious!

Thanks James!

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 31 Aug 2013, 08:14 pm
Hi folks!

I have a bit of a problem with the BDA-2 D/A converter.

This morning I was cleaning the rack and disconneted everything. I took the BDA-2 to another room to remain there until I cleaned the whole place. After a few hours, I brought it back and plugged it in. To my surprise, it wouldn't come on from standby once I pressed the power button. I pressed it again a few times but nothing happened. Then it came on by itself after 10 seconds. It worked properly after that.

However, I then turned it off for a few hours. I then pressed power again and again nothing happened. After a few presses, it came on and has worked properly ever since.

I have contaced Mr. Tanner about this and he says it cannot come on immediately as it is basically a computer and takes a bit of time for it to cycle. He thinks it is OK however.

I must say I am a bit concerned so I wanted to ask you guys about your opinion and advice. I don't believe I did something wrong as it is a simple matter of pressing the power button.

Any help would be very much appreciated!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 1 Sep 2013, 05:27 am
Do you have any USB or SSD drives plugged into it?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 1 Sep 2013, 05:48 am
Do you have any USB or SSD drives plugged into it?

It's a BDA-2 DAC, not a BDP-x player.  There are no USB Type A ports to plug drives into.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 1 Sep 2013, 11:19 am
Sorry, I missed that. The behavior made sense when I thought it was the player.

I can't think of any reason why the DAC wouldn't power up out of standby mode immediately.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 1 Sep 2013, 12:14 pm
Hi fellas!

I started a new thread on this issue so please have a look and read about my findings:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119461.0

Thanks!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Ron D on 6 Sep 2013, 06:09 pm
Rather than derail the DSD BDP-1/2 thread I'll post here as it specifically deals with owners of BDA-2 dacs.

With the number of DSD capable "stand alone" dacs on the rise, some currently costing less then $1K (TEAC?), would it not make sense to have the DSD option available to BDA-2 owners who do not have the BDP matching unit?

As I understand it (with my very limited knowledge of pc audio, FLAC format or otherwise,  the 32 bit AKM chipset in the BDA-2 has the foundation to process DSD files. If I am wrong please correct me.

Tx
Ron
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 8 Sep 2013, 01:53 pm
Ron, the AK4399 is capable of on-chip DSD conversion, that is correct.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2013, 09:45 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDP/DBA Digital Player/DAC – Customer Feedback
From: Allen Purdy
Subject: Bryston duo

Date: 13 October, 2013

I have to keep things in perspective I know but these Brystons have totally changed the way I relate to reproduced music. I bought my first "high end" component in 1968 - a Dual 1019 turntable so I have been at this game for a long time and nothing has prepared me for the way in which the BDA and the BDP facilitate my enjoyment of high quality reproduced sound.

They are uber-convenient  I am getting all of my CDs ripped to my network attached storage drive which I as super fast Iomega RAID setup with 4TB of storage. I can access the music through the network if I like and actually stream it to the DAC in the magnum Dynalab but I mostly just copy what I want to 32GB USB drives and plug them into the BDP

As the BDA -2 breaks in it just gets sweeter and sweeter not a trace of digital glare. I swapped out The cable between the BDA and the BDP to a Kimber D-60 BNC and find that I like the focus better than with the Bryston cable. The kimber has a list "price of around $300 compared with $105 for the Bryston so thats no surprise. I use the iPad to control everything and it is just dynamite

These two pieces have been revolutionary for me not evolutionary  can't thank you enough for pointing me in this direction. The Naim DAC was excellent but this Bryston has gone to another level with sound staging and imaging and has a WOW factor that the Naim did not give me.

WOW even on Red Book material

Al
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 15 Oct 2013, 10:29 am
Hi James,

Had to fiddle around with several connections again lately, trying to connect it all to the Bryston rig as a centre piece of audiophile experience. 'Command centre experience'  left out on me, and I had to make some difficult choices  which sources to hook up on what amp/dac connection...

Though I realize the BDA's are already among the most 'connected' dac's available, I am in need of more than the current connections... Not all audiophile quality, but still, since the settop-boxes, airport express/appletv, tvtuners  and hd-tv sets of this world get more and more sophisticated, and still use optical outs, I would love to have a dac that at least has some more optical in's. Is there any possibility in the future Bryston plan's? If so, might I also suggest again a second  balanced out on the dac, to be able to feed both the Bp26 (or its successor ) and the BHA, without having to resort to a second best option of splitter cables/boxes, and their less than optimal audiophile qualities?

A second best option for the balanced connection could also be in a bp27... with a couple of extra balanced ins, but also a looped balanced out. Would really be a great plus compared to the current bp26.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2013, 10:35 am
Hi James,

Had to fiddle around with several connections again lately, trying to connect it all to the Bryston rig as a centre piece of audiophile experience. 'Command centre experience'  left out on me, and I had to make some difficult choices  which sources to hook up on what amp/dac connection...

Though I realize the BDA's are already among the most 'connected' dac's available, I am in need of more than the current connections... Not all audiophile quality, but still, since the settop-boxes, airport express/appletv, tvtuners  and hd-tv sets of this world get more and more sophisticated, and still use optical outs, I would love to have a dac that at least has some more optical in's. Is there any possibility in the future Bryston plan's? If so, might I also suggest again a second  balanced out on the dac, to be able to feed both the Bp26 (or its successor ) and the BHA, without having to resort to a second best option of splitter cables/boxes, and their less than optimal audiophile qualities?

A second best option for the balanced connection could also be in a bp27... with a couple of extra balanced ins, but also a looped balanced out. Would really be a great plus compared to the current bp26.

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

No immediate plans on adding more optical to the BDA or more balanced outputs as it would really need a complete redesign of the circuit board. I think at that point it would have to be a different product - Maybe BDA-3???

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 15 Oct 2013, 10:52 am
Check!
Since i gather you'ld be working on that right now, I thought I'd mention it early on in the process..... :thumb:

And since we're talking dreams right now: you wouldn't be planning an SP4 without a Dac, would you? I am ready for the Multi channel jump, considering the SP3 seriously, but would hate to do away with my BDA, especially because it is not an inferior product to the dac in the Sp3.

Thanks for any insights you could share

Marius




Hi Marius

No immediate plans on adding more optical to the BDA or more balanced outputs as it would really need a complete redesign of the circuit board. I think at that point it would have to be a different product - Maybe BDA-3???

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2013, 11:26 am
Check!
Since i gather you'ld be working on that right now, I thought I'd mention it early on in the process..... :thumb:

And since we're talking dreams right now: you wouldn't be planning an SP4 without a Dac, would you? I am ready for the Multi channel jump, considering the SP3 seriously, but would hate to do away with my BDA, especially because it is not an inferior product to the dac in the Sp3.

Thanks for any insights you could share

Marius

I think a stereo version of the SP3 might be a good idea.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 16 Oct 2013, 02:00 pm
That's a new perspective....

Still, geting back to the BDA, today I reenabled the balanced connection with my BCD to the BP26: and, lucky me, I was in audio-heaven again. Just like it lifted the BHA1 up a notch or two, the BP26 came to its luscious life again.  Both occasions were met by Schuberts Pianomusic played by the grand master Alfred Brendel. A terrible piece of music to test an audio-setup. flaws are recognized immediately. Bliss, too.

An immediate and direct comparison to the digital connection BCD/BDA to the bP26 was a bit of a disillusion, to understate it mildly: Balanced BCD was the clear winner here. I can only point to one reason/conclusion: because of the one balanced connection I needed/wanted out of the Dac to the BHA1, I can no longer connect the BDA balanced to the BP26.

So, James, if ever you redesign the BDA into a version 3, please have it have 2 balanced outs... One for a stereo-speaker setup, and one for the headphone. It would really set the difference. And an immediate incentive to buy one...

I know you mentioned the tape to connection from the bp26 to the bha1. I use that too, for the analog sources. But, as stated above, balanced is just the superior way to go, in my humble opinion. Music opens up, comes to life, and starts breathing.

Of course, it might be even better if you had the bp26 have a balanced passthrough/out of the unamplified signal. That way we'd have it all. Balanced setup from source to speaker/headphone. Digital and analog sources.
Ill take this to the bp27 thread then...


cheers,
Marius

I think a stereo version of the SP3 might be a good idea.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Alpha10 on 16 Oct 2013, 05:16 pm
^^^^^

Marius, definitely sounds like you need an SP3 to me. I use my BDA balanced out into Bal1 of the Sp3 leaving Bal2 available for another balanced player. The SP3 pre in balanced bypass mode is a thing of musical beauty  :thumb:

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 16 Oct 2013, 08:14 pm
Hi Alpha,

really? I wasn't aware of the Sp3's ability of a balanced bypass, was that why James hinted a stereo Sp3?..

still, seems a bit steep to pay an extra 12000 euro for a balanced bypass, when everything else is in place already  :scratch:

considering all options: James, does the Sp3 have a stereo 10bsub built in also? That way I would only have to wait until you upgrade the dac in the sp3 to bda2 specifications to replace the bp26/bda2/10bsub?

Sorry if this is getting off topic....

Marius



 
^^^^^

Marius, definitely sounds like you need an SP3 to me. I use my BDA balanced out into Bal1 of the Sp3 leaving Bal2 available for another balanced player. The SP3 pre in balanced bypass mode is a thing of musical beauty  :thumb:

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 17 Oct 2013, 05:44 pm
Hi Alpha,

Been reading through the Sp3 manual, but couldn't find a reference to balanced bypass mode. do you have a pointer for me please?
thanks, you just might have caused another sell...

Marius

^^^^^

Marius, definitely sounds like you need an SP3 to me. I use my BDA balanced out into Bal1 of the Sp3 leaving Bal2 available for another balanced player. The SP3 pre in balanced bypass mode is a thing of musical beauty  :thumb:

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 17 Oct 2013, 06:26 pm
Hey Marius,

I think it's just a simple entry under the 2 channel bypass button operation on page 5. Since it says "whatever analog source is currently selected", I figured it must allow 2 channel bypass on all possible analog inputs.

- Garrett


■ 2 CHANNEL BYPASS
 Selects Left and right (or the front left and right)
inputs from whatever analog source is currently
selected. If the DIGITAL mode is active (i.e. if
the LED above the DIGITAL button is ON) then
this becomes a digital down-mix into a stereo
Left and Right output.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 17 Oct 2013, 06:34 pm
I see.

So this would be a bypass, in the meaning that an unamplified signal of whatever source selected is passed-through to a balanced out? Could you confirm that on your Sp3? reading what happens when a digital source is selected, i figured this just to be a down-mix option. Analog and digital.

I would want this passthrough with digital sources too though....

Thanks!
Marius

Hey Marius,

I think it's just a simple entry under the 2 channel bypass button operation on page 5. Since it says "whatever analog source is currently selected", I figured it must allow 2 channel bypass on all possible analog inputs.

- Garrett


■ 2 CHANNEL BYPASS
 Selects Left and right (or the front left and right)
inputs from whatever analog source is currently
selected. If the DIGITAL mode is active (i.e. if
the LED above the DIGITAL button is ON) then
this becomes a digital down-mix into a stereo
Left and Right output.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 18 Oct 2013, 11:56 am
Hi!

I have a question regarding the SPDIF coaxial output on the BDA-2. Is the output signal on this connector identical to the input signal?

I would like to connect another DAC to the BDA-2's output and I want to make sure both DACs are fed with identical signal. So, what I am wondering if the bit depth and sampling rate of the output mirror the signal fed to one of BDA-2's inputs.

Thanks!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 18 Oct 2013, 08:20 pm
hi!

the signal of the coax output is untouched by the BDA-2. so it is simply a passed through signal.

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2013, 09:53 pm
Hi!

I have a question regarding the SPDIF coaxial output on the BDA-2. Is the output signal on this connector identical to the input signal?

I would like to connect another DAC to the BDA-2's output and I want to make sure both DACs are fed with identical signal. So, what I am wondering if the bit depth and sampling rate of the output mirror the signal fed to one of BDA-2's inputs.

Thanks!
\


Hi

Yes a simple pass-through.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Oct 2013, 02:39 pm
\


Hi

Yes a simple pass-through.

james

Excellent! Thanks fellas!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 23 Oct 2013, 01:00 am
I see.

So this would be a bypass, in the meaning that an unamplified signal of whatever source selected is passed-through to a balanced out? Could you confirm that on your Sp3? reading what happens when a digital source is selected, i figured this just to be a down-mix option. Analog and digital.

I would want this passthrough with digital sources too though....

Thanks!
Marius

Ah, my misunderstanding. Let me clarify up front, I don't have a SP3 yet, I just want one desperately and have overly researched it. :)

I thought you meant bypass as in skipping all processing. You are referring to a line-level pass through? While that is a feature I've seen on 2-ch pre-amps, I've haven't seen it on a digital processor. How were you planning on implementing that feature?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 23 Oct 2013, 07:20 am
I'm not....

I was asking for it, on the BP27 to be, or, if thats not possible, at least on a BDA3 to be....
Maybe Bryston could make a separate Audiophile Balanced stereo splitter box.

Cheers,
Marius

Ah, my misunderstanding. Let me clarify up front, I don't have a SP3 yet, I just want one desperately and have overly researched it. :)

I thought you meant bypass as in skipping all processing. You are referring to a line-level pass through? While that is a feature I've seen on 2-ch pre-amps, I've haven't seen it on a digital processor. How were you planning on implementing that feature?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 23 Oct 2013, 07:21 am
yes, line-level pass trough.

I'm not planning on implementing....whish I was  :D

I was asking for it, on the BP27 to be, or, if thats not possible, at least on a BDA3 to be....
Maybe Bryston could make a separate Audiophile Balanced stereo splitter box.

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gene9p on 23 Oct 2013, 01:51 pm
Ah, my misunderstanding. Let me clarify up front, I don't have a SP3 yet, I just want one desperately and have overly researched it. :)

I thought you meant bypass as in skipping all processing. You are referring to a line-level pass through? While that is a feature I've seen on 2-ch pre-amps, I've haven't seen it on a digital processor. How were you planning on implementing that feature?

audioadvisor.com has a factory refreshed, full warranty, SP3 for sale in black..free shipping too...$6699.00
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 24 Oct 2013, 06:57 am
I looked and can't find it. :( What am I missing?

Oops, found it. I'm looking in to it. Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 24 Oct 2013, 07:16 am
Searches for "Factory Refreshed", "Bryston SP3", "Bryston SP-3", "SP3" or "SP-3" won't find it (bad search engine, bad!) and it's not listed as a selection in the option dropdown of the new unit, but it can be found from the sidebar under Highlights > Clearance > Factory Refreshed. 

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=2BYSP3

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: PETE6737 on 24 Oct 2013, 01:02 pm
James,
Will this new DSD software be implemented in the SP3 eventually?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Oct 2013, 03:31 pm
James,
Will this new DSD software be implemented in the SP3 eventually?

No the circuits and decoding chips in the SP3 are designed around Surround Sound applications and not stereo.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 24 Oct 2013, 07:04 pm
That actually brings up a question I was thinking about... I currently have a BDA-2 and am 4th & inches from pulling the trigger on a SP3. Given the high quality of the SP3 DACs, I was wondering if the BDA-2 would still provide a benefit for 2-ch music over the SP3, or does the SP3 make the BDA-2 redundant (for 2-ch music)? I understand the BDA-2 has some input options (the USB, DSD, etc) the SP3 does not, but for my purposes here, I'd like to compare the output from the BDP-2 via AES/EBU to the SP3 vs BDP-2 via AES/EBU to the BDP-2 via XLR to the SP3 on analog bypass while playing CD/Redbook sources or higher bitrate/sample rate FLAC files.

I'd appreciate anyone's input on the subject.

Thanks!

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gdayton on 24 Oct 2013, 07:58 pm
Hi Garrett,

I have both in my system at home. The DAC and especially the analog section of the SP3 is superb in every way - far better than I've come to expect from surround processors, but I hear more detail when I let my BDA-2 do the D to A. It's not a night and day difference, but consistent. Just my 2 cents.

Gary
Bryston
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 24 Oct 2013, 11:07 pm
Ditto, Grit:

I have the SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2. While the SP3 is excellent, Gary's point is very apt on the added detail (and I would add smoothness) the BDA-2 brings in addition to its flexibility. I use the Bryston AES/EBU cable as recommended by James between the BDP-2 and BDA-2 and am delighted with the sound quality.

You'll be thrilled with the SP3, Garrett. It's truly a musical pre/pro.

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2013, 07:22 pm
http://www.magazine-audio.com/2013/bryston-bda-2-usb-dac/

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2013, 07:59 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-2 DAC

Bryston is pleased to announce that the Bryston BDA-2 DAC has been awarded a PRODUCT OF THE YEAR AWARD  from Absolute Sound Magazine.
 
“Hi James

On behalf of The Absolute Sound I want to congratulate you on winning a product of the year award.
The awards will be announced in the January issue.

Marvin Lewis”



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89007)



Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 28 Oct 2013, 10:47 pm
Congrats Bryston!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: saveloy on 28 Oct 2013, 11:41 pm
James,

Well done.  Stirling work as usual.

Kyri
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 29 Oct 2013, 05:53 pm
Well done, James and the Bryston team!   :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

The BDP-2 and BDA-2 have a marvelous synergy between them that results in smooth, detailed, and incredibly engaging sound, the best I've heard from any components. I truly appreciate the talent, focus, and passion that went into creating and developing the gear. Music is well served by your efforts.

Best fishes,

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: PETE6737 on 31 Oct 2013, 03:53 am
To So There:
 I see you have an OPPO BDP105 and the BDA-2. Do you have the 105 connected to the BDA-2? I also have a BDP105 but I am looking for even more DAC performance and I'm toying with the idea of possibly improving the sound with the BDA-2. Any input on that? How would one connect the BDP 105 to the BDA-2?

One more thing....Have you compared the SP3's dac to the Oppo's? I am trying to decide my next option. I am currently running the old Bryston 1.7 in bypass mode for everything, using the dacs in my oppo and cambridge audio cd players....

Thanks in advance, Pete
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 2 Nov 2013, 04:46 pm
Hi James!

This is probably going to disqualify me as an audiophile and qualify me as someone who doesn't know anything about audio electronics but I must ask this question anyway. I had a bit of an accident this morning. I couldn't really what I was doing because the BDA-2 is set up in a way that makes it difficult for me to access the cables. I accidently plugged the USB cable into one of the balanced analogue outputs on the BDA-2 and the sound cut off on one of the channels. It lasted only for a few seconds till I unplugged the cable and realized what I had done. No damage was done and I suppose the metal contacts on the USB connector caused a short-circuit.

I don't have any balanced analogue cables to used at this time but I suppose what I did was a dangerous thing to do. Could such a mistake cause a serious malfunction in the BDA-2 or some other equipment with balanced analogue outputs?

It was an unintentional mistake, I think it could happen to a lot of people (but perhaps I am just comforting myself).

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 3 Nov 2013, 09:08 pm
To So There:
 I see you have an OPPO BDP105 and the BDA-2. Do you have the 105 connected to the BDA-2? I also have a BDP105 but I am looking for even more DAC performance and I'm toying with the idea of possibly improving the sound with the BDA-2. Any input on that? How would one connect the BDP 105 to the BDA-2?

One more thing....Have you compared the SP3's dac to the Oppo's? I am trying to decide my next option. I am currently running the old Bryston 1.7 in bypass mode for everything, using the dacs in my oppo and cambridge audio cd players....

Thanks in advance, Pete

Thanks for your query, Pete. I have the HDMI 2 (audio) output of the 105 connected to the HDMI 1 input of my SP3, thus using the SP3's DAC. The HDMI 1 (video) output of the 105 is connected directly to our Pioneer Elite TV. I did this for two reasons. First, the Oppo's coax and optical cannot (by copyright and bandwidth restrictions) pass SACD and DVD-A signals. Second, as far as Red Book CDs, I'm waiting for Bryston's BOT-1 optical transport.

You could send the coax or optical outs of the 105 to the BDA-2, as it has inputs for each, and I would think you'd find an improvement in the sound. You've piqued my interest, and I'll have to give this a try. After all, it only involves getting one cable.

FWIW, just for fun, I ran Bryston cables from the balanced outputs of the 105 to the Balanced-1 XLR inputs of the SP3. I also have Bryston cables from the balanced outputs of the BDA-2 to the Balanced-2 XLR inputs of the SP3, to play hi-res music from the BDP-2. Through the BDP/BDA combo, the sound is substantially better (even with a ripped CD at the same resolution), as one would expect.

Cheerio,

Rich
_________________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 4 Nov 2013, 01:56 am
Pete, I neglected to mention that the Oppo BDP-105 will pass hi-res files (such as FLAC, AIFF, ALAC, and WAV) up to 24-bit/192KHz stereo through the coax or optical outputs. (It will not, however, pass uncompressed codecs such as Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA through these outputs, instead using HDMI.) Thus, the 105 should be a solid file player to use with the BDA-2.

I'd be interested in James Tanner's recommendations on optical vs. coax cable for the connection, and would expect he'd advise the latter.

Rich
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: spotlightaudio on 4 Nov 2013, 05:55 pm
Hi all!

Does anyone know if we can safely use both bal. and single ended outputs on the BDA-2 at the same time to drive two preamps ?
Thanks.............Larry
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2013, 05:57 pm
Hi all!

Does anyone know if we can safely use both bal. and single ended outputs on the BDA-2 at the same time to drive two preamps ?
Thanks.............Larry

Hi Larry

No Problem

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: spotlightaudio on 4 Nov 2013, 06:05 pm
Thank You ,  James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: PETE6737 on 6 Nov 2013, 12:27 am
Pete, I neglected to mention that the Oppo BDP-105 will pass hi-res files (such as FLAC, AIFF, ALAC, and WAV) up to 24-bit/192KHz stereo through the coax or optical outputs. (It will not, however, pass uncompressed codecs such as Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA through these outputs, instead using HDMI.) Thus, the 105 should be a solid file player to use with the BDA-2.

I'd be interested in James Tanner's recommendations on optical vs. coax cable for the connection, and would expect he'd advise the latter.

Rich

Thank you for your reply Rich. I plan on listening to the bdp and bda if my local shop has them. If I buy these they will connect to a SP 1.7 processor in by pass mode. I hope I can get the great sound even though it's not going through a Sp 3.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 6 Nov 2013, 03:35 pm
Thank you for your reply Rich. I plan on listening to the bdp and bda if my local shop has them. If I buy these they will connect to a SP 1.7 processor in by pass mode. I hope I can get the great sound even though it's not going through a Sp 3.

Pete, it should sound excellent, as good as your SP 1.7, since you'll be going directly from the analog outputs of the BDP to the 1.7's analog stage.

Rich
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: PETE6737 on 7 Nov 2013, 01:14 am
Thanks for the info, Rich. I just found out that the combo is not I stock at my local Bryston dealer and that I could special order them. Quite a leap of faith without listening to them. I think I will wait until the DSD software is installed on the new products after the new year.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Nov 2013, 04:30 pm
BDA-2 USB Windows 8 Driver Setup - Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs1uWpj9qPc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Nov 2013, 12:25 pm
Hi James!

I read in the BR-2 remote control manual it is possible to decrease the volume on the BDA-1 by 3 dB. So, I wonder, does the Cirrus CS4398 have a digital attenuation like the modern converter chips do and does this apply to the Asahi AK4399 converters in the BDA-2 which is what I have?

I am not at all a fan of digital bit truncation and it is something I stumbled upon by accident as I plan on purchasing your magnificent BDP and am looking into possible remote control options.

I was also surprised to see something on the BDP-2 page. It says that it supports USB connection to an external DAC so I presume it works like an ordinary computer in that regard because the page does mention software decoders being used instead of the Via Envy processor on the sound card. My question is this - will this enable DSD data transmission between your BDP and BDA-2 or is this option going to be available through S/PDIF connection as well?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2013, 01:05 pm
Hi James!

I read in the BR-2 remote control manual it is possible to decrease the volume on the BDA-1 by 3 dB. So, I wonder, does the Cirrus CS4398 have a digital attenuation like the modern converter chips do and does this apply to the Asahi AK4399 converters in the BDA-2 which is what I have?

I am not at all a fan of digital bit truncation and it is something I stumbled upon by accident as I plan on purchasing your magnificent BDP and am looking into possible remote control options.

I was also surprised to see something on the BDP-2 page. It says that it supports USB connection to an external DAC so I presume it works like an ordinary computer in that regard because the page does mention software decoders being used instead of the Via Envy processor on the sound card. My question is this - will this enable DSD data transmission between your BDP and BDA-2 or is this option going to be available through S/PDIF connection as well?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

Yes we can reduce the volume by 3dB but do not recommended due to resolution loses whenever digital volume control is used.

DSD is only legal through USB.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Nov 2013, 03:22 pm
Hi Antun

Yes we can reduce the volume by 3dB but do not recommended due to resolution loses whenever digital volume control is used.

DSD is only legal through USB.

james

Thanks James!

Yes well, DSD can be fantastic but with the current state of audio industry, it doesn't seem likely it will ever reach it's potential because the music is rarely recorded and mastered for DSD and so the sheer specification of being DSD-capable is more imporatant for compatibility reasons than anything else. At least the way I see it.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2013, 11:36 pm
Thanks James!

Yes well, DSD can be fantastic but with the current state of audio industry, it doesn't seem likely it will ever reach it's potential because the music is rarely recorded and mastered for DSD and so the sheer specification of being DSD-capable is more imporatant for compatibility reasons than anything else. At least the way I see it.

Cheers!
Antun

My thoughts exactly.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Nov 2013, 12:09 pm
Hi Folks,

Check out the latest review on the Bryston BDA2 and BDP2 combo in the November issue of Hi-Fi News and Record Review Magazine in the UK.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89853)


james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Nov 2013, 01:14 pm
Hello!

I was wondering what you guys think of the up-sampling feature in the BDA-1/2? Were you able to tell the difference and did you think it was an improvement?

Here is what I discovered. The up-sampling feature adds more thickness to the lower register. It does, however, make it a bit less controlled but not by much. The difference is certainly not night and day and I can't say one or the other sounds more natural though. The difference in the mid-range is more obvious. Up-sampling tends to make the structure a bit denser and sometimes appears to extract a few more nuances from the mix. Still, a looser atmosphere of the native sampling seems to present itself in a slightly more natural manner. I heard no differences in the high-end.

So, it does make a difference, albeit a minute one and I don't think it was that necessary to implement such a feature even though I understand Bryston's wish to have it. The chosen hardware was probably capable of up-sampling anyway so adding this feature probably didn't complicate things.

What do you guys think?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Nov 2013, 01:19 pm
Hi

I find it changes depending on the original recording - sometimes it seems better and sometimes worse.  I currently listen to all my files in Native format.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Mag on 17 Nov 2013, 03:21 pm
>>I was wondering what you guys think of the up-sampling feature in the BDA-1/2? Were you able to tell the difference and did you think it was an improvement?<<

IMO based on some remastering I've done on a few tracks, upsampling acts like a cleaner. Depending on the recording, the better the recording the less noticeable it would be.

Okay what you have is a sound sample, based on a Sony article I use to have but lost. This sample is represented as a square wave. With a typical digital PCM sample this square is partially distorted. So what upsampling does is partially correct this sample.

Now what I did with one track is record the output, transfer it to cd. Then play again and record the output again. I did this three times and you can hear the improvement over the original recording. However if you over upsample you strip this sound sample of its tone characteristic and the music will sound sterile.

Mind you the upsample was the BCD-1 + computer soundcard upsample.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 17 Nov 2013, 10:55 pm
...i would say no difference :roll: and i keep it the way James does - listening in native resolution :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2013, 03:34 pm
NO MORE JITTER BUG :thumb:

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-2 DAC /BDP-2 Player Review


Hi Folks,

Please see below a link to a  superb review on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player combination. Special “HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AWARD”.

Please note  the Jitter numbers measured by Paul Miller in the technical section of the review - would you believe 10 psec ! ***


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90162)

       

ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/reviews/HFN_Bryston%20BDP-2_BDA-2.pdf


*** What’s a Picosecond?

A Picosecond [ps] is a measure of time interval in accordance with SI standard. An interval of one second is equal to:

1.000 millisecond [ms]
1.000.000 microsecond [ms]
1.000.000.000 nanosecond [ns]
1.000.000.000.000 picosecond [ps]
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2013, 03:37 pm
MEMO: TO ALL BRYSTON CUSTOMERS
SUBJECT: BEST HIGH END DAC  – Bryston BDA-2 DAC

December 2013

Hi Folks,

Happy to report the Bryston BDA-2 DAC has received a BEST HIGH END DAC 2013 award from The Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity Magazine.


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Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 7 Dec 2013, 02:29 pm
James exactly where is this measurement taken from, USB, PCM etc..  just wondering

James, I wanted to follow up on that measurement back on post 61 or so since it was SPDIF , do you have a measurement taken from USB as a comparison.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Dec 2013, 04:03 pm
James, I wanted to follow up on that measurement back on post 61 or so since it was SPDIF , do you have a measurement taken from USB as a comparison.

Hi mav

Yes the review we got for HIFI News shows the USB measurements (much tougher to achieve) of the USB which they found surprisingly similar to SPDIF:

Quote:

Bryston’s new BDA-2 DAC also supports asynchronous USB 2.0 and the performance here is right up with S/PDIF and AES/EBU with a wide 113.8dB S/N ratio, reference-class jitter suppression [10-16psec, all sample rates – see Graph 2] and low-level resolution good to ±0.3dB over a 100dB dynamic range.


Here's a link to the complete review.
http://bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2013_11_Review_HFN_BDP-2_BDA-2.pdf

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 7 Dec 2013, 06:17 pm
Hi mav

Yes the review we got for HIFI News shows the USB measurements (much tougher to achieve) of the USB which they found surprisingly similar to SPDIF:

Quote:

Bryston’s new BDA-2 DAC also supports asynchronous USB 2.0 and the performance here is right up with S/PDIF and AES/EBU with a wide 113.8dB S/N ratio, reference-class jitter suppression [10-16psec, all sample rates – see Graph 2] and low-level resolution good to ±0.3dB over a 100dB dynamic range.


Here's a link to the complete review.
http://bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2013_11_Review_HFN_BDP-2_BDA-2.pdf

james

Thank you James.   I think I'm going to add the BDA-2 and BDP-2 early next year for a second system..     I was wondering, is there any updates forthcoming for these two devices around the 1st or 2nd qtr next year ? if so I might need to hold off.   You can PM me if you like as not to take away from this thread.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Dec 2013, 06:23 pm
Hi

No changes planned other than software updates as we go.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 7 Dec 2013, 09:55 pm
I think BDA-2 is a very balanced perfomer in terms of inputs. It is my opinion that the USB input is as good as I have heard it on any dedicated USB-SPDIF interface. I preferred the Musical fidelity V-series 192 interface but BDA-2 is equally good and since it eliminates the need for an additonal digital interconnect, it is even better.

Now it appears to me that Bryston is not a company that includes new features as they become available on the market just for the sake of feature-count. The technology has to be proven and has to be adequately perfected. I think that is the greatest strength of Bryston but I can possibly see how it could be seen as a weakness.

Let me explain. When I was pondering which DAC to purchase, the thing that struck me about Bryston is how little it is known about it. Other manufacturers like NAD or Musical fidelity which are quite popular in Europe, seem to be inclined at posting as much technical information as possible, often displaying them in a form of diagrams or with symbols. Bryston doesn't do that and thus appears old-fashioned and frankly, over-priced. Some manufacturers go to ridiculous lengths to convince you that "clock" is 80% of the DAC or that 384kHz sampling is absolutely necessary. All of that doesn't bode well for Bryston. In a place where industry and sales are driven by specifications and symbols, it is not easy to make it.

That said, listening sessions are really the only reliable and reassuring way to go and I have to say Bryston BDA-2 took precedence in front of all of these competitors. It wasn't the nicest looking machine nor it was the biggest one but it did sound fantastic and to my surprise, significantly superior in some ways when compared to NAD for example. I then realized it was the single most important feature - how it sounds.

I studied the available literature and found more things to like about. It may not be a love at first sight but it does get under your skin.

As for symboly, they are nice but they don't really tell you anything. 384kHz sampling? Why would anyone need it when the studios here have only recently adopted the 176.4kHz standard and even that is only used for high-cost classical and jazz productions. It makes very little sense to weight 384kHz sampling vs properly executed analog stage for example. The former is easy to claim, the latter is not and the average customer doesn't even know "whether he needs it or not". Funny as it sounds, it is literally true.

But once again, mind over matter wins. It's love over gold, that's what it is!

Well done fellas!
Cheers!
Antun
Title: BDA-2
Post by: budcook on 12 Dec 2013, 07:40 pm
James or any other knowledgeable person, is it reasonable to expect the BDA-2 to feed the single-ended input inputs of a B135 over a high quality 2.5 meter cable?  Unfortunately, the B135 has no balanced inputs.

I am considering a downsize of the speaker part of my system because I listen to headphones most of the time.  I'm thinking of replacing a BP-26/4BSST(2)/Maggie 1.7 package with something like the B135 and Mini-T's or other monitors like Dynaudio.

The B135 would be placed closer to the speakers and away from the BDA-2.

Thanks in advance,

Bud
Title: Re: BDA-2
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Dec 2013, 08:05 pm
James or any other knowledgeable person, is it reasonable to expect the BDA-2 to feed the single-ended input inputs of a B135 over a high quality 2.5 meter cable?  Unfortunately, the B135 has no balanced inputs.

I am considering a downsize of the speaker part of my system because I listen to headphones most of the time.  I'm thinking of replacing a BP-26/4BSST(2)/Maggie 1.7 package with something like the B135 and Mini-T's or other monitors like Dynaudio.

The B135 would be placed closer to the speakers and away from the BDA-2.

Thanks in advance,

Bud

Hi Bud

The output impedance of the BDA-2 is very low so a few meters will not affect its performance.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: budcook on 12 Dec 2013, 08:11 pm
Thanks James.

Bud
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: espilva on 24 Dec 2013, 11:38 pm
First post here, please forgive if it's not that appropriate.

I bought my BDA-2 in Spain a couple of weeks ago and I've got a couple of questions and suggestions:

a) How do you feed it? Currently I'm using the USB input but I'd like to know if that's the preferred/recommended option. If you're willing to share which player you're using, it'd be helpful. I'm a Windows user.

b) Fortunately, my main system runs Windows 7. I tried to install the drivers  in a Surface Pro running Windows 8.1 and didn't succeed. Are drivers for this Windows version being released any time soon?

c) DSD. Is new firmware being developed to support DSD?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: espilva on 5 Jan 2014, 02:49 pm
God, I've killed this thread!  :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 5 Jan 2014, 02:51 pm
First post here, please forgive if it's not that appropriate.

I bought my BDA-2 in Spain a couple of weeks ago and I've got a couple of questions and suggestions:

a) How do you feed it? Currently I'm using the USB input but I'd like to know if that's the preferred/recommended option. If you're willing to share which player you're using, it'd be helpful. I'm a Windows user.

b) Fortunately, my main system runs Windows 7. I tried to install the drivers  in a Surface Pro running Windows 8.1 and didn't succeed. Are drivers for this Windows version being released any time soon?

c) DSD. Is new firmware being developed to support DSD?

safest bet is Xlr into the dac.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: espilva on 7 Jan 2014, 12:12 pm
XLR into the DAC? The BDA-2 features 2 XLR outputs. Its inputs are USB Class 2, 4x SPDIF (2 BNC, 2 RCA), 2x Optical (TOSLINK), AES/EBU.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 7 Jan 2014, 01:49 pm
XLR into the DAC? The BDA-2 features 2 XLR outputs. Its inputs are USB Class 2, 4x SPDIF (2 BNC, 2 RCA), 2x Optical (TOSLINK), AES/EBU.

XLR only refers to the physical connector type.  The BDA-2's pair of balanced analog stereo outputs use XLR connectors.  The AES/EBU balanced digital input also uses an XLR connector.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jan 2014, 04:08 am
First post here, please forgive if it's not that appropriate.

I bought my BDA-2 in Spain a couple of weeks ago and I've got a couple of questions and suggestions:

a) How do you feed it? Currently I'm using the USB input but I'd like to know if that's the preferred/recommended option. If you're willing to share which player you're using, it'd be helpful. I'm a Windows user.

Typically people buy a 2.5 USB drive of 1 TB or so.  Load it with all your files from your PC and attache it to the BDP. Then use your computer or iPhone or iPad etc. to interface with the songs on the USB drive,

b) Fortunately, my main system runs Windows 7. I tried to install the drivers  in a Surface Pro running Windows 8.1 and didn't succeed. Are drivers for this Windows version being released any time soon?

Email Mike Pickett on this one please  mpicket@bryston.com

c) DSD. Is new firmware being developed to support DSD?

Looking at it but there are so many variations it will probably be a hardware and software change is needed.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Jan 2014, 01:53 pm
Looking at it but there are so many variations it will probably be a hardware and software change is needed.

james

You mean a harware change for the DSD support? What sort of a change are we talking about here?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jan 2014, 02:02 pm
You mean a harware change for the DSD support? What sort of a change are we talking about here?

Cheers!
Antun

HI

Not sure yet as there are many versions of DSD - DOP DSD 64, DSD 128, Native DSD and now talk of higher DSD up to over 500 as well.

This all affects what DACs are used as well as how the circuit handles the switch between DSD and PCM.  DSD 64 is relatively easy to implement in exiting DAC's and players but moving all the way to Native DSD is a new ballgame.  Most of the units we have looked at now do DSD 64.

If we are going to move into DSD playback then I want o make sure we cover any potential changes going forward.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: espilva on 9 Jan 2014, 04:36 pm
Please make sure that current units are upgradeable at a reasonable cost.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Jan 2014, 05:19 pm
HI

Not sure yet as there are many versions of DSD - DOP DSD 64, DSD 128, Native DSD and now talk of higher DSD up to over 500 as well.

This all affects what DACs are used as well as how the circuit handles the switch between DSD and PCM.  DSD 64 is relatively easy to implement in exiting DAC's and players but moving all the way to Native DSD is a new ballgame.  Most of the units we have looked at now do DSD 64.

If we are going to move into DSD playback then I want o make sure we cover any potential changes going forward.

james

Understood! But one cannot say for certain DSD is a viable format, right? It still might go south. Not because it is inferior but because an enormous percentage of recordings are mastered for PCM. It is also the reason why some SACDs don't sound nearly as spectacular as they should.

Frankly, I didn't even know there were so many versions of DSD but I take it the BDA-2 will be able to decode at least one of them with just software upgrade and no changes to the hardware. Am I correct to assume that?

One other thing - DSD is possible only through USB connection, right? If so, then the BDP doesn't use it's hardware Envy24 processor for this but instead, the decoding is done by software and the main CPU in the BDP. I would take on-chip hardware processing over software processing any day of the week. That was always my experience with computers.

I would also say it would probably be a good idea to have a software feature in the BDP that would convert any DSD format to PCM and then output it as such to the BDA. That would at least ensure maximum compatibility with owners of older DACs as it now seems even the BDA-2 won't be able to support all of the formats.

What are your thoughts on this, James?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jhameeh on 11 Jan 2014, 08:04 am
Trying to update the BDA-2 firmware. I used the serial cable and tripplite keyspan usb and placed the BDA-2 on stand by. I use this cable for my Anthem D2V RS232 for room correction and updating firmware and its working.

I tried to used it on BDA-2 and I am hoping the dialog box will appear but its not. Any suggestions?

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Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 11 Jan 2014, 03:20 pm
I don't understand. Why are you trying to install new firmware when there is none available?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jhameeh on 11 Jan 2014, 03:25 pm
I don't understand. Why are you trying to install new firmware when there is none available?
Cheers!
Antun

I didn't know that there is none. And also don't know if my firmware is latest.

But if there is a new firmware, how will I update if the basic connection is not working?

Cheers.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 11 Jan 2014, 03:57 pm
If there is no new firmware available, then firmware in your BDA-2 is the same as in my mine and doesn't need updating.

BDA-1 has been out for several years now and I am not aware of any firmware updates for it so clearly there won't be any for BDA-2 either. Not until the DSD capabitility is ready.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jhameeh on 11 Jan 2014, 06:26 pm
Have you tried to use a serial cable to check if your firmware is latest?

I want to confirm if using serial cable is working or not. So that in case, as you said, DSD is ready, I can update without any problems.

Cheers!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Heckler75 on 27 Jan 2014, 01:21 pm
was looking at a BDA-2  (currently own BDA-1)      how  much,  has the sound quality improved (sonic difference)   over the bda-1

was looking,  as  upgrade  to usb.


anybody  do   a  side by side comparison

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 28 Jan 2014, 03:31 pm
was looking at a BDA-2  (currently own BDA-1)      how  much,  has the sound quality improved (sonic difference)   over the bda-1

was looking,  as  upgrade  to usb.


anybody  do   a  side by side comparison

Cheers

Just remember that BDA-1 and BDA-2 have different output levels and the BDA-2 has a slightly lower level on it's outputs due to fact it's AKM converters have lower voltage output than the Crystal converters in the BDA-1. You can use a BR-2 remote control to decrease the level of the BDA-1 to match it to the BDA-2.

I think you will find that the newer BDA-2 has a sound image that is more open and a little bit more detailed. Since you already have a BDA-1, it is ultimately your decision whether it is worth it.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 30 Jan 2014, 08:11 pm
Just remember that BDA-1 and BDA-2 have different output levels and the BDA-2 has a slightly lower level on it's outputs due to fact it's AKM converters have lower voltage output than the Crystal converters in the BDA-1. You can use a BR-2 remote control to decrease the level of the BDA-1 to match it to the BDA-2.

I think you will find that the newer BDA-2 has a sound image that is more open and a little bit more detailed. Since you already have a BDA-1, it is ultimately your decision whether it is worth it.

Cheers!
Antun

I'd second that, exactly.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: satbox on 2 Feb 2014, 11:57 am
MEMO: To all Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player


October 2012


It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product.

The BDP-2 Digital Player was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata internal harddrive capability, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP-1 in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purist" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 external DAC the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is also possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software). 

We will also be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 USB capability.

Hope this helps.


James Tanner
Bryston


Hello James,

As I own a BDA-1, I'm very interested to buy the USB interface you speak about. Is it available?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2014, 12:02 pm
Hello James,

As I own a BDA-1, I'm very interested to buy the USB interface you speak about. Is it available?

Hi Satbox

Yes it is:

http://bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BUC-1.html

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 6 Feb 2014, 08:27 pm
Greetings.  I'm new to the list so I am asking for some insights from those that have used the BDA-2 new from the box to broken in.
First, BDA-2 reviews and recommendations from my dealer have been spectacular so it is with great expectations that I brought the dealer's demonstration BDA-2 home.  I use the BPD-2 as my digital source using XLR digital in from the BDP-2 and balanced XLR out to the Preamp.

What I heard was very realistic dynamics for instrument such as the pluck of guitar strings and the squawk of a sax.  What I didn't hear was the huge sound field I've heard so much about, in fact I heard the speakers each as a point source and a good center image mostly for voices and a single instrument from the Bryston.  I spent the next 12 hours AB testing the BDA-2 against my current PS Audio PWD-MkII.  The Bryston had slightly more realistic sound to instruments but a far less realistic sound stage.  It was a relief to get the PWD back into the system for a continuous wall or stage of sound that was all enveloping. 

The dealer said it was likely because the BDA-2 he gave me only had a few hours on it and needed more break in.  My question is could that be the reason and have others experienced anything like this.  I've broken in many components over the years and I'm a big believer in break in but there would have to be a significant improvement to be realistic.  Too many good reviews to hear what I am hearing.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2014, 10:51 pm
Greetings.  I'm new to the list so I am asking for some insights from those that have used the BDA-2 new from the box to broken in.
First, BDA-2 reviews and recommendations from my dealer have been spectacular so it is with great expectations that I brought the dealer's demonstration BDA-2 home.  I use the BPD-2 as my digital source using XLR digital in from the BDP-2 and balanced XLR out to the Preamp.

What I heard was very realistic dynamics for instrument such as the pluck of guitar strings and the squawk of a sax.  What I didn't hear was the huge sound field I've heard so much about, in fact I heard the speakers each as a point source and a good center image mostly for voices and a single instrument from the Bryston.  I spent the next 12 hours AB testing the BDA-2 against my current PS Audio PWD-MkII.  The Bryston had slightly more realistic sound to instruments but a far less realistic sound stage.  It was a relief to get the PWD back into the system for a continuous wall or stage of sound that was all enveloping. 

The dealer said it was likely because the BDA-2 he gave me only had a few hours on it and needed more break in.  My question is could that be the reason and have others experienced anything like this.  I've broken in many components over the years and I'm a big believer in break in but there would have to be a significant improvement to be realistic.  Too many good reviews to hear what I am hearing.

Hi

I do not think break-in will change things that much - it is much more sutble.  Odd though as my BDP2 has a huge stage. :scratch:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 7 Feb 2014, 12:35 am
Greetings.  I'm new to the list so I am asking for some insights from those that have used the BDA-2 new from the box to broken in.
First, BDA-2 reviews and recommendations from my dealer have been spectacular so it is with great expectations that I brought the dealer's demonstration BDA-2 home.  I use the BPD-2 as my digital source using XLR digital in from the BDP-2 and balanced XLR out to the Preamp.

What I heard was very realistic dynamics for instrument such as the pluck of guitar strings and the squawk of a sax.  What I didn't hear was the huge sound field I've heard so much about, in fact I heard the speakers each as a point source and a good center image mostly for voices and a single instrument from the Bryston.  I spent the next 12 hours AB testing the BDA-2 against my current PS Audio PWD-MkII.  The Bryston had slightly more realistic sound to instruments but a far less realistic sound stage.  It was a relief to get the PWD back into the system for a continuous wall or stage of sound that was all enveloping. 

The dealer said it was likely because the BDA-2 he gave me only had a few hours on it and needed more break in.  My question is could that be the reason and have others experienced anything like this.  I've broken in many components over the years and I'm a big believer in break in but there would have to be a significant improvement to be realistic.  Too many good reviews to hear what I am hearing.
I didn't hear a major change with break-in. Very odd though, as the sound stage my BDP-2/BDA-2 produce is far wider and deeper than the speakers. Except for the room not being square, I have a much less than ideal room/layout. Perhaps try adjusting toe-in on your speakers? You don't have any processing going on in the preamp, right? Just analog?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: So There on 7 Feb 2014, 12:48 am
I agree with James and Grit, stashoo99. My BDP-2, running through a BDA-2 and SP3, has a marvelous soundstage, wonderful resolution, and great smoothness (very analog-like). I've not heard better sound in my system. I, too, found no break-in necessary. The BDP-2 is connected to the BDA-2 via a Bryston AES/EBU cable, and the BDA-2 is connected to analog inputs of the SP3 via Bryston balanced cables. I wonder if there's an issue with the sample you heard, as my BDP/BDA combo was immediately and dramatically better than my other sources, including SACD, DVD-A, and DTS-HD/Dolby TrueHD Blu-ray concert discs via HDMI.

Rich
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Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 7 Feb 2014, 01:44 pm
Greetings.  I'm new to the list so I am asking for some insights from those that have used the BDA-2 new from the box to broken in.
First, BDA-2 reviews and recommendations from my dealer have been spectacular so it is with great expectations that I brought the dealer's demonstration BDA-2 home.  I use the BPD-2 as my digital source using XLR digital in from the BDP-2 and balanced XLR out to the Preamp.

What I heard was very realistic dynamics for instrument such as the pluck of guitar strings and the squawk of a sax.  What I didn't hear was the huge sound field I've heard so much about, in fact I heard the speakers each as a point source and a good center image mostly for voices and a single instrument from the Bryston.  I spent the next 12 hours AB testing the BDA-2 against my current PS Audio PWD-MkII.  The Bryston had slightly more realistic sound to instruments but a far less realistic sound stage.  It was a relief to get the PWD back into the system for a continuous wall or stage of sound that was all enveloping. 

The dealer said it was likely because the BDA-2 he gave me only had a few hours on it and needed more break in.  My question is could that be the reason and have others experienced anything like this.  I've broken in many components over the years and I'm a big believer in break in but there would have to be a significant improvement to be realistic.  Too many good reviews to hear what I am hearing.

It was only after several days of continuous use (more than 100 hours) that I started noticing changes in sound stage depth. It is a noticeable improvement. The instruments sound more tightly focused and controlled while some extend further into the left or right of the mix. It is what I was expecting to hear and that is why initial impressions aren't really a good way of evaluationg equipment.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 7 Feb 2014, 02:52 pm
Thank you all for the responses.  I'll answer several of your questions here.  I'm using a Mark Levinson 326S preamp so there is some amplification but no other processing.  The system was voiced so that, with other equipment there is a realistic soundstage with depth that extends beyond my front wall slightly and width beyond the speakers at times.  In fact I get instruments and voices occasionally directly to my sides which is shocking.  I have speakers that image well.  My point is it could always be speaker set up but I would discount that for now.  Jim Smith who wrote the book Get Better Sound is coming in two weeks to voice the system in my cubic room.  Jim brings his own DAC for the session, don't know what kind, so I'll have the opportunity to hear at least one more sample for comparison.

I'll try the BDA-2 again after system voicing.  I want the synergy of BDP-2/BDA-2 I've heard so much about. Thanks again.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 8 Feb 2014, 08:17 pm
On the burn-in front, I have to say it is something I have noticed in most audio equipment and it is especially apparent in dynamic transducers. The most dramatic changes I witnessed through the Sennheiser HD650 headphones but not so much the HD800. Amplifiers show differences in sound after a few minutes but it was only till Bryston BHA-1 reached 24 hours of non-stop listening that it changed it's character. The difference was apparent to me since I listened to my reference recordings at the time and suffice to say, I know every note of every instrument. So, it does happen.

On a side note, A-B testing is never really a good idea. When it comes to audio, preconceptions usually affect the way we hear and the minute differences we hear a quickly nullified once we switch to another source. For a proper evaluation, one has to lnow the recording well and spend some time with an audio component in order to get a grasp of how it sounds and what are the key elements that makes it sound the way it does. Only then can we say with some degree of certainty something sounds better than something else.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 18 Feb 2014, 10:00 pm
Thank you all for the responses.  I'll answer several of your questions here.  I'm using a Mark Levinson 326S preamp so there is some amplification but no other processing.  The system was voiced so that, with other equipment there is a realistic soundstage with depth that extends beyond my front wall slightly and width beyond the speakers at times.  In fact I get instruments and voices occasionally directly to my sides which is shocking.  I have speakers that image well.  My point is it could always be speaker set up but I would discount that for now.  Jim Smith who wrote the book Get Better Sound is coming in two weeks to voice the system in my cubic room.  Jim brings his own DAC for the session, don't know what kind, so I'll have the opportunity to hear at least one more sample for comparison.

I'll try the BDA-2 again after system voicing.  I want the synergy of BDP-2/BDA-2 I've heard so much about. Thanks again.

Hi

Its has nothing to do with break-in. What you are hearing is the difference inherit between dacs using a single chip or dual chip set like in the bda2.  I am pretty sure the PS audio is a singular chip output. Your description of the two dac sound-stages identifies differences i have found.

You can mimic the larger sound stage by moving the speakers closer together and doing other room enhancements.. visa-versa.

I prefer the dual config since its harder to set up your system in air/imaging with a single chip. Offered right out of the box using dual dac.

If the PS audio is a dual dac then i don't know.  :dunno:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Feb 2014, 11:17 am
Hi

Its has nothing to do with break-in. What you are hearing is the difference inherit between dacs using a single chip or dual chip set like in the bda2.  I am pretty sure the PS audio is a singular chip output. Your description of the two dac sound-stages identifies differences i have found.

You can mimic the larger sound stage by moving the speakers closer together and doing other room enhancements.. visa-versa.

I prefer the dual config since its harder to set up your system in air/imaging with a single chip. Offered right out of the box using dual dac.

If the PS audio is a dual dac then i don't know.  :dunno:

As far as I know, PS audio Perfect Wave DAC uses a pair of DAC chips from Wolfson, the 8742 I believe.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 19 Feb 2014, 05:43 pm
As far as I know, PS audio Perfect Wave DAC uses a pair of DAC chips from Wolfson, the 8742 I believe.

It looks like a single Wolfson WW8741 chip. Delta sigma.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 20 Feb 2014, 07:09 pm
Interesting discussion.  Jim Smith will be here tonight to start the voicing.  His plan is to be completed sometime tomorrow night. I will discuss the single vs dual DAC issue with him.  If it is partly a difference in DACS that impacts staging then it will be interesting to see when system is voiced with Jim's DAC and then mine is reinserted in the system what changes there will be.  I will try BDA-2 again.  I can probably get the BDA-2 test unit back from dealer but I suspect Jim won't want to do a lot of testing of different equipment. 

We already will be trying both my Mark Levinson 532 and a pair of Parasound JC-1s.  I want to choose the best amps for the big system and use the other on my B system which as yet doesn't exist other than I have electronics sitting around that make about a half a system.  I really want the B system to be much simpler. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 21 Feb 2014, 12:28 am
I like your problems.  :icon_lol:. Nice amplification to chose from. This is what I see when I look at your system.

You are running dual mono amps (both ML and Para). You are using a stereo ML pre amp. As opposed to a dual mono preamp, and you are using a dac that utilizes a single chip (PS Audio).

I've noticed in SS that component figurations affect the soundstage (out of the box).  Like what you have above. When you inserted in a dual chip dac it going to change the outcome. You know what I'm a talking about because you described it. Notice that ML uses dual dacs In their front ends. http://www.marklevinson.com/Products/Details/28

This is an intentional synergy by ML. You can also get a dual mono pre from ML but it requires more set-up in room.

Bryston uses dual dacs with stereo pres and mono or dual mono amps.

Its the synergy of the components configurations that define what we hear.  Both dacs are good but its just what you want in the end. You will be able to get that sound you like from the PS audio out of the Bda with some room tweaking.



Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 21 Feb 2014, 02:19 am
It looks like your ML pre amp is dual mono also.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 21 Feb 2014, 01:57 pm
We started the evaluation of the stereo system last night in preparation to system voicing today.  Jim uses an Ayre Acoustics modified DAC and a Computer front end.  I don't' know what is inside the Ayre.  It sounds good.

Today we will begin the process of voicing the system starting with analysis of the room for base and reflections to get the general placement of seating, speakers and equipment rack.  Hard to believe but it takes all day to set up the system to play the room.  I'll have the chance to hear my DAC and the Ayre.  Would be good to have the BDA-2 as well to see if what werd says holds true in my system. 

It will be a fun study to see if speakers launching sound waves is the dominant factor or if electronics play a big part in system set up.  My guess is speaker placement and room characteristics will overwhelm electronic difference assuming the electronics are adequate.  I'm looking forward to being educated today.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 21 Feb 2014, 08:08 pm
We started the evaluation of the stereo system last night in preparation to system voicing today.  Jim uses an Ayre Acoustics modified DAC and a Computer front end.  I don't' know what is inside the Ayre.  It sounds good.

Today we will begin the process of voicing the system starting with analysis of the room for base and reflections to get the general placement of seating, speakers and equipment rack.  Hard to believe but it takes all day to set up the system to play the room.  I'll have the chance to hear my DAC and the Ayre.  Would be good to have the BDA-2 as well to see if what werd says holds true in my system. 

It will be a fun study to see if speakers launching sound waves is the dominant factor or if electronics play a big part in system set up.  My guess is speaker placement and room characteristics will overwhelm electronic difference assuming the electronics are adequate.  I'm looking forward to being educated today.

The ML pre looks nice. Do you use the 6db or 12 db gain setting?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 22 Feb 2014, 02:32 pm
The ML 326S is a nice preamp. It has the features that I didn't even know I wanted and is intuitive to use. It is very well thought out.  The phono stage add in boards are good as well. The sound is transparent.  Its one of my most satisfying pieces of equipment.

I use 6dB for the PS Audio DAC and 12 dB when using the BDA-2 or Ayre. Pretty much all DAC's I've tried over drive the input at 18dB.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 2 Mar 2014, 12:37 pm
I'd be really curious to hear about the final outcome... any update?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 2 Mar 2014, 01:54 pm
Grit, I assume the final outcome you are curious about is the result of voicing.  I am now a believer that locking into the room is a huge improvement in sound stage, presence of instruments and involvement in the music.  The really unbelievable part is it is a game of parts of inches in the final setup.  Mr Smith worked tirelessly for a couple of hours the first night and the entire day the second day to analyze the room and dial in the system.  I would recommend his services to help get all you can from your system.

I had the luxury of being able to locate everything anywhere in the room.   No WAF required in this room.  In the end we reversed the location of the seating and speakers in the room and moved the component stack out from between the speakers.  The sound stage now extends outside the speakers on the right and left and goes 6 or 7 feet behind the speakers. There is a presence of voices and instruments that are closer to live and all this using lamp cord for speaker wire.  Yep, lamp cord.  Moving the component stack necessitated a temporary use of longer interconnects or speaker wire.  I don't recommend lamp cord as there is at time some graininess especially in female voices but I'm shocked at how well it works trading higher end cables for proper speaker setup.

I learned a lot in the day and a half and the improvement in performance of my system is greater than the change I've seen from any component replacement.  I think there could be further improvements with some proper room treatments in this very bad room and new cables should arrive next week but I'm enjoying it more now.



 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 2 Mar 2014, 02:31 pm
One short additional explanation, having the sound stage extend outside the speakers doesn't sound that significant but the room is 25 X 25 X 25 with a vaulted ceiling.  The room actually works pretty good for higher frequencies, not a lot of reflected waves detected, but doesn't work so good for low frequencies.  In order to get the best overall base, using a real time analyzer (RTA), we found the one spot in the room where all the base notes were present which defined the seating position.  Again because of the base problems with the room there is a long distance between seats and speakers. Because of the increased seat to speaker distance the speakers had to be spaced further apart.  The speakers are quite far apart so when the sound stage goes outside the speakers the result is a really big soundstage.  The room behavior defines where things need to be placed even sometimes when that placement doesn't seem ideal or intuitive.

The RTA also showed I have a 25 Hz source somewhere in the house that messes with low base.  I think the heating system air mover is the culprit.  The RTA is useful tool that can help show you things about your room you didn't know.  Maybe I like this kind of techy stuff  because I'm an engineer but system setup and room behavior was underappreciated by me anyway and I suspect by a lot of us in this hobby.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2014, 03:14 pm
One short additional explanation, having the sound stage extend outside the speakers doesn't sound that significant but the room is 25 X 25 X 25 with a vaulted ceiling.  The room actually works pretty good for higher frequencies, not a lot of reflected waves detected, but doesn't work so good for low frequencies.  In order to get the best overall base, using a real time analyzer (RTA), we found the one spot in the room where all the base notes were present which defined the seating position.  Again because of the base problems with the room there is a long distance between seats and speakers. Because of the increased seat to speaker distance the speakers had to be spaced further apart.  The speakers are quite far apart so when the sound stage goes outside the speakers the result is a really big soundstage.  The room behavior defines where things need to be placed even sometimes when that placement doesn't seem ideal or intuitive.

The RTA also showed I have a 25 Hz source somewhere in the house that messes with low base.  I think the heating system air mover is the culprit.  The RTA is useful tool that can help show you things about your room you didn't know.  Maybe I like this kind of techy stuff  because I'm an engineer but system setup and room behavior was underappreciated by me anyway and I suspect by a lot of us in this hobby.

Hi Stash

I had the same issue with this room in my home which is 20x25 with 10 to 18 foot slanted ceiling.  Had to employ major room treatments but even then could not get the bass pressure correct.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95717)

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 2 Mar 2014, 05:16 pm
Rooms can be frustrating.  All the bass notes are there for me down to about 40Hz then there isn't much.  I can feel the floor shake two rooms away but not in the room where I have the speakers.  Sound is strange stuff.  My concern is that even subs won't really cure the problem.  I have a small sub on my surround system in the bedroom that I'll move in to do some testing and another larger sub arrives tomorrow.  Crossing my fingers but I don't expect miracles.  Speakers are already full range but subs may launch low frequencies in different directions that change standing waves.  Wish I knew more about this subject.

Did treatment improve bass any in your room?  I assume the concept is to absorb what would be reflected waves to allow hearing direct waves.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 2 Mar 2014, 05:19 pm
Are those wave traps flanking each window and floor to ceiling in corners?  Nice setup.  What diameter are the traps? 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2014, 05:24 pm
Are those wave traps flanking each window and floor to ceiling in corners?  Nice setup.  What diameter are the traps?

The Corner traps were 20 inch bottoms and 14 inch tops.  You are correct though I could never get the room to have that sense of pressure at low frequencies.  The sound stage was great but I eventually gave up on this large a room and I have also changed my mind totally on absorption as a way to treat sound rooms.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 2 Mar 2014, 10:36 pm
Rooms can be frustrating.  All the bass notes are there for me down to about 40Hz then there isn't much.  I can feel the floor shake two rooms away but not in the room where I have the speakers.  Sound is strange stuff.  My concern is that even subs won't really cure the problem.  I have a small sub on my surround system in the bedroom that I'll move in to do some testing and another larger sub arrives tomorrow.  Crossing my fingers but I don't expect miracles.  Speakers are already full range but subs may launch low frequencies in different directions that change standing waves.  Wish I knew more about this subject.

Did treatment improve bass any in your room?  I assume the concept is to absorb what would be reflected waves to allow hearing direct waves.

You are lucky to have room control without  waf or fam considerations. I find I like bass control to stay in within the stereo image. The best way to do this  is absorption (panels or absorption columns) outside the 2 stereo speakers. 4 panels 2 a side keeps bass in the mid and not lingering and shooting down the side walls.

I have no clue about Home theatre control

I owned a pair of Wharfedales towers that were also excellent bass absorption. Pic shows the right side and what I mean.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95776)




Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 3 Mar 2014, 12:17 am
James,seems like you have lots of open corners which they say are valid for bass trapping(even ceiling wall corners).
Those tube panels don't seem to cover much area,as they say coverage is important.
Perhaps I frequent to much over at Ethan's site(music players forum(acoustics thread).
I've been using mondo traps 2'x4'+6"s thick spaced the same distance from wall for more absorption.
Except for the big room sound my room sounds just as good as a audio room in the city which is 4X bigger than mine and double drywall with staggered studs ect.
I was quite shocked at what I could achieve in this room with lots of bass trapping ect.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2014, 12:29 pm
James,seems like you have lots of open corners which they say are valid for bass trapping(even ceiling wall corners).
Those tube panels don't seem to cover much area,as they say coverage is important.
Perhaps I frequent to much over at Ethan's site(music players forum(acoustics thread).
I've been using mondo traps 2'x4'+6"s thick spaced the same distance from wall for more absorption.
Except for the big room sound my room sounds just as good as a audio room in the city which is 4X bigger than mine and double drywall with staggered studs ect.
I was quite shocked at what I could achieve in this room with lots of bass trapping ect.

Hi Drummer

The above room had huge traps in every corner floor to ceiling so the room was trapped well - my feeling is that once a room gets too large the bass pressure required becomes significant to the point where you start dealing with large room acoustics rather than small room acoustics and that changes the acoustical requirements significantly. I also feel that absorption reduced the natural dynamics of the music and I could never get the bass to sound open and natural. 

I have totally changed my mind on room acoustics over the last few years.

james

 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 4 Mar 2014, 03:46 am
I agree with james.  As the room gets larger reflections are less of an issue. You always run the risk of loss of dynamics w I th diffusion or absorption.  I think corner traps are good but over treating rooms deadens dynamics. Experience from the last two weeks says speaker voicing is very important down to parts of inches  and multiple sub woofers set to low gain and very low frequency is the answer.  Bass is directional regardless of what we  hear from the experts and woofer placement and orientation is important.   
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Mar 2014, 11:11 am
I agree with james.  As the room gets larger reflections are less of an issue. You always run the risk of loss of dynamics w I th diffusion or absorption.  I think corner traps are good but over treating rooms deadens dynamics. Experience from the last two weeks says speaker voicing is very important down to parts of inches  and multiple sub woofers set to low gain and very low frequency is the answer.  Bass is directional regardless of what we  hear from the experts and woofer placement and orientation is important.   

Hi Stash

Have a look at this - they are some measurements I made using one, two and 3 subs in a number of different rooms placed in multiple locations:

In Room Linearity:

It can be argued, and somewhat rightly so, that linearity does not matter if you are using EQ in your system to adjust dips and peaks in your room for the sub frequencies. This said, not everyone is using EQ and there are good reasons why not doing so. Using EQ is not a simple thing to get right. Bryston does not recommend using EQ in a Subwoofer and we certainly have the equipment to set it up and implement it properly. Using two or four subs around the room is going to do a much better job of smoothing out the bass response in the room (assuming your subwoofers are linear in a 4pi environment to start with). In our view this is the proper way to achieve great bass in your listening room.

Purple line in Fig 1 is one Sub
FIG -1 TWO SUBS
FIG 2 - Three Subs


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95850)

Notice above how as you add subs from 1 to 2 to 3 the very low frequency levels (20Hz to 30Hz) do not change much amplitude but the serious dips in response (40 to - 80Hz) in the room start to fill in and even out.
With equalization and room correction type products all you can do is pull down the peak between 20Hz and 30Hz in the single woofer and then only for one listening location.


james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 5 Mar 2014, 04:51 am
James, I'm in your neighbourhood, actually in Toronto this week. It's hard to view your graphs on my mobile device but what is disappointing is that the low freq below 40 hz are not impacted by subs. Is that what you are showing?  Also how are subs connected? Mono or speaker level one each on left and right?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Mar 2014, 10:43 am
James, I'm in your neighbourhood, actually in Toronto this week. It's hard to view your graphs on my mobile device but what is disappointing is that the low freq below 40 hz are not impacted by subs. Is that what you are showing?  Also how are subs connected? Mono or speaker level one each on left and right?

Hi

These were small 8 inch subs just randomly placed around a variety of different size rooms to show the advantage of multiple subs.  It is not my room.  In my 1st soundroom I have 5 subs - two at the front (left and right) I use in stereo and two in the rear corners and 1 in the front center that get added for surround  sound duties.  I am getting a good flat 17 Hz with the Bryston Model T Subs.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95875)

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 6 Mar 2014, 07:18 pm
Thanks. Great looking surround system.  I would love to see a better rendition of BPD2 android control on mini2. It looks like most of the improvements in the software interface have been for larger screens. Am I off base there?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gdayton on 6 Mar 2014, 07:43 pm
Thanks. Great looking surround system.  I would love to see a better rendition of BPD2 android control on mini2. It looks like most of the improvements in the software interface have been for larger screens. Am I off base there?
Yep, the new design is fully responsive and reformats appropriately based on screen size and resolution. As always, you can use MPdroid which works really well for me too.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=95939)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: stashoo99 on 8 Mar 2014, 03:56 pm
gdayton, I have never seen the layout you show in the picture.  When I use a Samsung Note 8.0 and the mini2 software I get a list of music names and some distorted pictures after you make a selection.  I've seen a nice interface on the PC but not on my smaller device. The mini2 won't load album names and in fact starts a search process that never ends.  I have to stick to artist lists. It must be me having set up the software improperly or maybe I have old software.

Music is on the BDP2 USB connected drive. The network is wired in the house.  I emailed Bryston a couple of times and they sent me a link to a video that shows how nice the interface looks.  I just can't duplicate that on my hand held device.  I guess more work on my side is required.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Mar 2014, 04:47 pm
gdayton, I have never seen the layout you show in the picture.  When I use a Samsung Note 8.0 and the mini2 software I get a list of music names and some distorted pictures after you make a selection.  I've seen a nice interface on the PC but not on my smaller device. The mini2 won't load album names and in fact starts a search process that never ends.  I have to stick to artist lists. It must be me having set up the software improperly or maybe I have old software.

Music is on the BDP2 USB connected drive. The network is wired in the house.  I emailed Bryston a couple of times and they sent me a link to a video that shows how nice the interface looks.  I just can't duplicate that on my hand held device.  I guess more work on my side is required.

Hi Stash

If you are having issues with the Album Art loading that is still being worked on so it will not be representative of the end result.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2014, 01:12 am
From: "john.springer
Subject: *** The Bryston BDA-2 DAC ***
Date: June 6, 2014 at 8:48:08 PM EDT
To: jamestanner@bryston.com

Hi James:

I recently came across Karl Schuster's level-headed and articulate Review of the BDA-2 DAC, so I ordered it from William Hordyk, Owner of Atlas Audio Video Unlimited, as a replacement for my beloved BDA-1. 

The BDA-2 is a revelation!  I'm not as articulate as Karl Schuster, but his mention of dramatically reduced Harshness & Grain is spot on!   Other things he mentioned, such as the Sound Stage extending further back, are also amazing to my ears, and even non-audiophile Friends commented, before it was burned in, that the Audio seemed "Smoother" and "Richer" to them.

Speaking of "Long-Term Burn-In", the BDA-2 has only about 90 Hours on it, and my System keeps sounding better and better!  Where will this end?

If you're trying to place me, I am still using a pair of Quad ESL 2905 Speakers, with all-Bryston Amplification, including a pair of 28BSST (Squared) Monoblocks.

Congratulations to everyone at Bryston, and Keep Up The Good Work!

Best Wishes,
John Springer

p.s.    The Accepted Wisdom is that one should drive Quad Electrostatics with Tube Amps of no more than 200 Watts, but last Wednesday an Audience of 65 at Oak Bay Lodge were enjoying Canizares playing The Rodrigo Guitar Concerto with the Berlin Philharmonic in the Teatro Real in Madrid, and I had the Volume at 3pm (600 Watts?) during his Solo. 

Admittedly, I had the 28Bs set to the lower Gain, but I honestly think the BDA-2 made the difference between UNCOMFORTABLY LOUD, and True Front Row Sound Pressure Level with Negligible Distortion.  Of course, the Bryston BIT-20 also contributed by feeding Pure Power to everything except the Amps, which each have their own Toroidal Isolation Transformer.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jeffjensen on 13 Jul 2014, 05:46 pm
This sounds fishy, but intriguing.  Another claim for mod improvement.  Sharing in case you want to know of it, James.

"Bryston BDA 1 / 2 DAC *Audiophile Upgrade Service for YOUR DAC*"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171385019404


The info from the listing for permanence here:


*Audiophile Upgrade Service for YOUR DAC*

Bryston BDA 1 / 2 DAC

This exclusive custom upgrade eliminates the stock restrained sound from your Bryston BDA 1 / 2 DAC unleashing an absolute rock-solid powerhouse of a DAC giving you a much fuller, tuneful, and accurate presentation with more depth, clarity, detail, nuance to every note and sound while authoritatively conveying the essential timbre and soul of the recording simultaneously with a lush, expansive and seductive ambience whether dry or wet compelling a high degree of emotional involvement. This upgrade is a dramatic step up in terms of dynamics, presence, weight and separation; bass is deep, taut and, palpable, midrange tones are throaty, present and chewy and the high end is as clear as crystal while being as smooth as silk, all together in perfect harmonious balance. Imaging and soundstage are as correct as the recording and the concrete phantom center will haunt you for days. A must if you prefer the absolute convenience of a digital source but prefer the truest reference audiophile quality available from Bryston. The stock Bryston BDA 1 / 2 simply pales in comparison to the upgraded version with the stock unit simply incapable of fulfilling high expectations in a satisfactory manner due in part to it's otherwise almost nonexistent power reserve severely limiting sound quality. Now, after the upgrade the DAC is much better suited to the task with, amongst other things, an order of magnitude more properly qualified power reserve [justly befitting the pedigree] more than amply capable of the heavy-lifting required to send a more powerfully balanced signal downstream to your high-end amplifiers that crave all the quality input they can get. The upgraded DAC is identical in appearance and function now with the highest audio performance that Bryston is capable of creating.

The upgrade most definitely will void your warranty!

Picture is of stock unit before upgrade. Please allow 14 business-days for turnaround on this extensive service once your DAC has been received as custom components are specifically fabricated for this particular upgrade and installed components are thoroughly tested and burned-in. Only de-rated industrial-quality components are used in this upgrade to ensure indefinite performance. Please pack your DAC carefully and send it to us fully insured. Please forward the tracking number to us once it has shipped. Free return shipping of your DAC back to you!

Almost any audio or music device can be upgraded, please feel free to make suggestions for future upgrades. If you have a near and dear piece of equipment that you feel isn't quite performing as well as it might please consider sending it in for evaluation.

Thank you.

*This listing is for a custom service only, no physical product is for sale nor is there any affiliation with any manufacturer expressed or implied.*
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2014, 05:54 pm
This sounds fishy, but intriguing.  Another claim for mod improvement.  Sharing in case you want to know of it, James.

"Bryston BDA 1 / 2 DAC *Audiophile Upgrade Service for YOUR DAC*"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171385019404


The info from the listing for permanence here:


*Audiophile Upgrade Service for YOUR DAC*

Bryston BDA 1 / 2 DAC

This exclusive custom upgrade eliminates the stock restrained sound from your Bryston BDA 1 / 2 DAC unleashing an absolute rock-solid powerhouse of a DAC giving you a much fuller, tuneful, and accurate presentation with more depth, clarity, detail, nuance to every note and sound while authoritatively conveying the essential timbre and soul of the recording simultaneously with a lush, expansive and seductive ambience whether dry or wet compelling a high degree of emotional involvement. This upgrade is a dramatic step up in terms of dynamics, presence, weight and separation; bass is deep, taut and, palpable, midrange tones are throaty, present and chewy and the high end is as clear as crystal while being as smooth as silk, all together in perfect harmonious balance. Imaging and soundstage are as correct as the recording and the concrete phantom center will haunt you for days. A must if you prefer the absolute convenience of a digital source but prefer the truest reference audiophile quality available from Bryston. The stock Bryston BDA 1 / 2 simply pales in comparison to the upgraded version with the stock unit simply incapable of fulfilling high expectations in a satisfactory manner due in part to it's otherwise almost nonexistent power reserve severely limiting sound quality. Now, after the upgrade the DAC is much better suited to the task with, amongst other things, an order of magnitude more properly qualified power reserve [justly befitting the pedigree] more than amply capable of the heavy-lifting required to send a more powerfully balanced signal downstream to your high-end amplifiers that crave all the quality input they can get. The upgraded DAC is identical in appearance and function now with the highest audio performance that Bryston is capable of creating.

The upgrade most definitely will void your warranty!

Picture is of stock unit before upgrade. Please allow 14 business-days for turnaround on this extensive service once your DAC has been received as custom components are specifically fabricated for this particular upgrade and installed components are thoroughly tested and burned-in. Only de-rated industrial-quality components are used in this upgrade to ensure indefinite performance. Please pack your DAC carefully and send it to us fully insured. Please forward the tracking number to us once it has shipped. Free return shipping of your DAC back to you!

Almost any audio or music device can be upgraded, please feel free to make suggestions for future upgrades. If you have a near and dear piece of equipment that you feel isn't quite performing as well as it might please consider sending it in for evaluation.

Thank you.

*This listing is for a custom service only, no physical product is for sale nor is there any affiliation with any manufacturer expressed or implied.*

Hi

Yes these guys have been around for a while.

We attempted to get one that was modified for testing but he refused to allow it so I have some concerns. Usually these mods turn out to be problematic as they tend to concentrate on a specific area they deem unworthy without recognizing that it has to be seen as part of the whole.  :nono:

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 16 Jul 2014, 07:06 pm
Hello All:

This is my first post here after lurking around for a while.

I reviewed the BDA-1 DAC, and subsequently purchased the review sample.
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-accessories/acoustics-eq-room-tuning/bryston-bda-1-dac-review.html

Well, many, many more DACs have come through the system for review, and let me say, the BDA
series STILL never ceases to amaze me. It's, forgive me, analog like, insightful, and beautiful presentation
has been the one to beat. Regardless of source, and associated equipment, its magic comes through.

Considering the price, and what the competition is offering, you can bet I am holding on this unit.

I know DSD functionality has been discussed here, and my attitude is that Bryston will get to it, and when they do,
it will be an engineering triumph with none of the shortcuts I am seeing from other vendors.

Cheers.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 16 Jul 2014, 11:43 pm
Another note, the BDA series IMO competes with DACs upwards of 4 or 5 times the price.  8)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: WilCox on 26 Jul 2014, 10:28 pm
How do I get the Bryston drivers installed on a Windows 8 machine?  I get error messages every time I try to install.   Driver installation goes smoothly on a Windows 7 machine, but no luck with Win 8.  Tried installing as admin but that didn't help.  I'm using the latest drivers from the Bryston website.

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2014, 11:36 pm
Windows 8.1 does require some extra steps to install the BDA2 drivers.  This is because it does not allow unsigned drivers to be installed.  You can circumvent this by following the steps in this tutorial:
 
http://revryl.com/2013/08/06/install-unsigned-drivers/
 
Once it's restarted in Disable Driver Signature Enforcement" mode, you can then run the setup program on the USB key, and you should run it as an administrator and in compatibility mode.  This is done by navigating to the 'setup.exe' program on the key, right-clicking on the file, choosing 'Properties', selecting the 'Compatibility' tab, then checking the box next to 'Run this program in Compatibility mode for:' and selecting 'Windows Vista (Service Pack 2)'. Also, check the box near the bottom of the menu, beside 'Run this program as an administrator'.  Click 'OK', then run the setup program.
 
As well, Windows 8.1 will require the latest version of the Bryston USB drivers, which can be found here:
 
ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/firmware/bda2/Bryston%20USB%20Drivers%201.61.zip
 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: WilCox on 27 Jul 2014, 03:30 pm
Thanks, James, for coming to the rescue!  I'm now up and running on Win 8.  Easy as 1-2-3 if you know the trick.  Windows 8 really shouldn't be so cryptic in their error messages.

I recently purchased the BDA-2 to supplement my BHA-1.  I'm streaming high-res files from a QNAP NAS to a Slim Devices Transporter, feeding the Bryston pair, and listening through either Sennheiser HD 800 or Audeze LCD-2 headphones.  Wanted to try streaming directly from a laptop via USB and encountered the Win 8 driver problem.

I'm extremely delighted with the Bryston combo and have sold both of my STAX electrostatic (Omega II) systems.  Great sound, great equipment and outstanding support!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: speltz on 27 Jul 2014, 11:39 pm
I read this entire thread over the past few days. I am now in a position (financially, that is) to purchase a BDA-2 to complement the BDP-1 I've owned for about 20 months.

No one has offered a review of hi-res files on the BDA-2 compared to the BDA-1. I understand that's one of the benefits of the 32-bit DAC chips. One of the articles James linked to referred to the extra headroom of the 32-bit chip, which (it is claimed) means that 24-bit signal doesn't have to be truncated during processing.

Elsewhere, I have read that a 24-bit chip can't really deliver 24 bits -- presumably for the reason given above, the need for some headroom.

That's the main reason I am inclined to pay the extra $$ for the BDA-2. The USB upgrade doesn't sway me since I use a BDP-1 as my source.

Those claims about 32-bit chips appeal to me, however: I bought the BDP-1 in large part because I wanted to take advantage of the availability of hi-res files.

Anyone care to comment on this? Theory is one thing, real-world experience another. Thanks!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 29 Jul 2014, 10:59 pm
I had both in house at the same time. The BDA1 sounds more like the BCD. Its also in more of the SST sounding circuitry. The Bda2 represents what would be more in line with the SSt2 sounding stuff.

Just get the Bda2 and be done with it.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103010)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 30 Jul 2014, 04:07 pm
I read this entire thread over the past few days. I am now in a position (financially, that is) to purchase a BDA-2 to complement the BDP-1 I've owned for about 20 months.

No one has offered a review of hi-res files on the BDA-2 compared to the BDA-1. I understand that's one of the benefits of the 32-bit DAC chips. One of the articles James linked to referred to the extra headroom of the 32-bit chip, which (it is claimed) means that 24-bit signal doesn't have to be truncated during processing.

Elsewhere, I have read that a 24-bit chip can't really deliver 24 bits -- presumably for the reason given above, the need for some headroom.

That's the main reason I am inclined to pay the extra $$ for the BDA-2. The USB upgrade doesn't sway me since I use a BDP-1 as my source.

Those claims about 32-bit chips appeal to me, however: I bought the BDP-1 in large part because I wanted to take advantage of the availability of hi-res files.

Anyone care to comment on this? Theory is one thing, real-world experience another. Thanks!

Most digital systems cannot live up to 24 bit resolution. In theory, with a 24 bit system you should have 144dB of dynamic range. Modern DACs like the BDA-2 and others achieve around 21bit effective resolution but even this is enough to reproduce a dynamically realistic performance.

BDA-2 sounds a bit more resolving than BDA-1. There is a little bit more detail and the highs seem to be somewhat smoother. The deepest notes on the BDA-1 seemed a tad soft sometimes but I cannot really say this is true for the BDA-2, it is as hard as the recording will allow. Imaging is on the same level with both DACs but improved resolution of the BDA-2 helps to create an even more immersive image with a more precise instrument positioning. In terms of neutrality, they are both excellent.

BDA-1 is slightly cheaper, at least over here, and I do believe that BDA-2 jusfifies that difference.

I hope this helps!
Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: speltz on 30 Jul 2014, 04:42 pm
Thanks, Werd and Antun! It's always tempting to save a few bucks but I expect I'll opt for the BDA-2.

Antun's comment about smooth highs is a relevant consideration: my system is somewhat bright. Likely either my pre-amp (an older but good SimAudio model) or my speakers (MartinLogan electrostatics, but at the low end of their price range) are at fault. I'm not ready to upgrade either of those in the short term.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Jul 2014, 09:02 pm
Thanks, Werd and Antun! It's always tempting to save a few bucks but I expect I'll opt for the BDA-2.

Antun's comment about smooth highs is a relevant consideration: my system is somewhat bright. Likely either my pre-amp (an older but good SimAudio model) or my speakers (MartinLogan electrostatics, but at the low end of their price range) are at fault. I'm not ready to upgrade either of those in the short term.

I can fix bright.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gene9p on 30 Jul 2014, 09:08 pm
there are great deals to be found on the BDA-1. Audio Advisor is selling them new in silver and black  for 1499..free shipping ..no tax...used ones are going for great prices now as well on audiogon.com.

I myself have the BDA-1 and love it. I have not used a BDA-2 so I cannot say which sounds better, but the A-1 is an  outstanding DAC that is very affordable right now.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: speltz on 31 Jul 2014, 01:23 am
I can fix bright.
Yes? Do tell.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Jul 2014, 07:45 pm
Yes? Do tell.

Its easier to dial back more rigid sounding treble than it is adding. Is there a volume it starts at or it continually "bright right from lower volumes to higher? Is there a volume setting that sounds dialed back or better than others. Whats you dac pre and amp?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: speltz on 1 Aug 2014, 01:18 am
I haven't noticed any connection to volume, although I listen at a fairly loud volume consistently. I like the instruments to have a certain weightiness to them, if that makes sense.

And I shouldn't exaggerate the severity of the problem. I notice it most with high pitched instruments: a flute or vibraphones, for example. I can hear a certain exaggerated resonance when the vibraphones get to a particular frequency, though I couldn't identify the frequency for you.

Otherwise it is only obvious with poorly recorded CDs that have a lot of digital glare in their own right. The brightness isn't a problem most of the time, which is why I haven't felt any urgency about replacing any of my gear on that account.

My DAC is a SimAudio Moon 300D. I'm curious to see how much of an improvement the BDA-2 delivers.

My preamp is the first edition of the SimAudio Moon P-5. It dates from c. 1998, if I remember correctly. SimAudio was just creating the "Moon" series at the time, and in fact my P-5 has Celeste on the remote. The faceplate is the old SimAudio logo -- it doesn't say "Moon" anywhere, although the next edition of the P-5 had the Moon logo.

I have two YBA3 power amps set up as monoblocks. Again, quite old -- older than my pre-amp, even -- but I really like the sound of them.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 1 Aug 2014, 07:01 am
You will notice a big difference in dacs. The BDA is dual dac configs. Its going to give you more weight and stiffness. Adding the Bda may either clean up this issue or tell you it was never the dac to begin with.

What you got now is a decent system synergy, You are using a single dac output (as opposed to dual dac) into a dual mono pre amp and then onto mono blocks. Its this configuration that contributes big time weight and stiffness of your soundstage. Especially a stiff soundstage. Thats what mono blocks and dual mono preamps are great at. You dac brings it back a bit and loosens it up just enough. That configuration is good. What you are doing now is adding a dual config dac. Almost all dual dacs are great for weight and a stiff soundstage. But they are not cheap. However this config is really going to make it sound rigid. It can sound good but it can also amplify any sibiliance. And you almost always want a low gain preamp to bring down the system gain.

My personal preference are dual dac outputs into a NON dual mono pre amp and they back into mono blocks. Exactly the same style Bryston fashions their systems like. This gives you great weight and stiffness while regular preamp holds it back just enough to keep for sounding too clinical and ridged. Plus you can use preamps that are into 20db and over range.

What you need to do though is properly rack your source. This is paramount in working out any added sibiliance through vibration. Usually racks for source are equally as good for preamps. IOW they fit under preamps too. With a good source you rack you can trouble shoot the preamp.

What do you have your amps on? Plus what cabling are you using?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Aug 2014, 03:05 pm
Hi!

Incredibly, but it looks like I will have to connect my new BDP-1 to the BDA-2 via USB cable. Does that work?

None of the dealers here have an AES/EBU cable on stock. One of them even bragged about he can get it "as soon as" 10th of October!!! Hilarious!!!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 16 Aug 2014, 05:09 pm
No, you can use a rca digital or  xlr digital. Do you have any component video cables around, those work.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Aug 2014, 06:56 pm
No, you can use a rca digital or  xlr digital. Do you have any component video cables around, those work.

You mean like a coaxial antenna cable? I might have one lying around. The thing is, my BDA-2 has no BNC connectors. It was a special order on my request so I only have RCA for other equipment.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 16 Aug 2014, 07:23 pm
You mean like a coaxial antenna cable? I might have one lying around.

No, component video (analog) was the precursor to HDMI (digital) and consisted of three 75 ohm RCA (or BNC for pro use) coaxial cables with Red, Blue and Green color coded ends.  The 75 ohm spec is the same as is required for S/PDIF coaxial digital audio.

Music stores such as Guitar Center often stock 110 ohm AES/EBU digital audio cables.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Aug 2014, 07:48 am
No, component video (analog) was the precursor to HDMI (digital) and consisted of three 75 ohm RCA (or BNC for pro use) coaxial cables with Red, Blue and Green color coded ends.  The 75 ohm spec is the same as is required for S/PDIF coaxial digital audio.

Music stores such as Guitar Center often stock 110 ohm AES/EBU digital audio cables.

Steve

Oh I see! Thanks Steve!

Unfortunately, I don't have a component cable but I might be able to source an AES cable from internet. As one of my friends said, dealers here are nothing more than glorified order takers. An audition is a term they do not know.

Cheers!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Gerard on 19 Aug 2014, 03:13 pm
Can I control my BDA-2 with the Harmony 350 remote? According to Logitech Bryston is supported, but al that works after installation is the standby button! :scratch: I would like to select input and control up-sampling function with the remote. Help much appreciated!
Gerard
 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 19 Aug 2014, 03:25 pm
No, component video (analog) was the precursor to HDMI (digital) and consisted of three 75 ohm RCA (or BNC for pro use) coaxial cables with Red, Blue and Green color coded ends.  The 75 ohm spec is the same as is required for S/PDIF coaxial digital audio.

Music stores such as Guitar Center often stock 110 ohm AES/EBU digital audio cables.

Steve

Any xlr will work. But the ones that try and get as close to 110ohm are the best for digital.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2014, 03:27 pm
Can I control my BDA-2 with the Harmony 350 remote? According to Logitech Bryston is supported, but al that works after installation is the standby button! :scratch: I would like to select input and control up-sampling function with the remote. Help much appreciated!
Gerard

Email Mike Pickett on that one - mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Gerard on 20 Aug 2014, 11:30 am
Thanx James, I will.
Gerard
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Speedskater on 20 Aug 2014, 11:59 am
My thoughts:
a] SPDIF is an unbalanced coax interconnect with a RCA (or BNC) connector. It has a 75 Ohm Characteristic Impedance.
b] AES/EBU is an balanced twisted pair (STP) with a XLR connector. It has a 110 Ohm Characteristic Impedance.
c] The longer the cable the more important the Characteristic Impedance is. (at  1 meter not much. at 10 meters very)
d] Good US providers for specialty cables are Markertek and Redco.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Aug 2014, 12:01 pm
Also available from us.

http://bryston.com/products/other/digital_AES_EBU.html

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 20 Aug 2014, 06:03 pm
You should include 1.5mtr as a standard length also on your web page.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Aug 2014, 02:44 pm
James:

Just to let you know I FINALLY ripped all of my CDs onto a WD My Passport Ultra 2TB drive. Whew, that was a lot of work!)

I am amazed that it sound SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER than the original CDs played through an Oppo 95 to the BDA-2 directly! Smoother with details I did not hear before – also more “coherent”. astounded

Any personal or Bryston observations around this?

Best – hope all is well

John
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Aug 2014, 04:30 am
On your next dac any chance of ditching the upsampling button?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: srb on 30 Aug 2014, 04:38 am
On your next dac any chance of ditching the upsampling button?

Can't really think of a good reason to do that.  It's an on-chip enable/disable function, it's not like any signal goes through the switch to get degraded.  I think the majority of songs in a library sound better with upsampling bypassed, however for poorly recorded or compressed tracks, upsampling can often make them sound better.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 30 Aug 2014, 11:17 am
I tend to listen to the music without up-sampling. I am not sure, however, whether the bit-depth is changed from 16bit to 24bit once it passes the sampling rate converter built into the DAC regardless of the up-sampling feature.

The difference is not a great one to my ears. Up-sampling adds a little bit of bottom end thickness which seems to alleviate some of the harshness in the mids with poor quality recordings. I really cannot say it adds or takes away something from the highs though.

I think it will be most interesting to see how Bryston will handle DSD. James doesn't seem inclined on current solutions such as PCM-to-DSD conversion and then treating the signal as DSD. What would be incredibly cool is if Bryston would introduce a DSD-only DAC with one USB input and a pair of single-ended and balanced analogue outpuis to complement their PCM-only BDA-2 DAC. That might be an expensive undertake though.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Aug 2014, 05:18 pm
...

I think it will be most interesting to see how Bryston will handle DSD. James doesn't seem inclined on current solutions such as PCM-to-DSD conversion and then treating the signal as DSD. What would be incredibly cool is if Bryston would introduce a DSD-only DAC with one USB input and a pair of single-ended and balanced analogue outpuis to complement their PCM-only BDA-2 DAC. That might be an expensive undertake though.

Cheers!
Antun

That would be a product I would be interested in.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Aug 2014, 05:38 pm
I tend to listen to the music without up-sampling. I am not sure, however, whether the bit-depth is changed from 16bit to 24bit once it passes the sampling rate converter built into the DAC regardless of the up-sampling feature.

The difference is not a great one to my ears. Up-sampling adds a little bit of bottom end thickness which seems to alleviate some of the harshness in the mids with poor quality recordings. I really cannot say it adds or takes away something from the highs though.

I think it will be most interesting to see how Bryston will handle DSD. James doesn't seem inclined on current solutions such as PCM-to-DSD conversion and then treating the signal as DSD. What would be incredibly cool is if Bryston would introduce a DSD-only DAC with one USB input and a pair of single-ended and balanced analogue outpuis to complement their PCM-only BDA-2 DAC. That might be an expensive undertake though.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

There is nothing wrong with DSD over PCM (DOP) as it is still a DSD file. My concern is with the fact that there are other was to decode DSD as well (64, 128, 256, DOP, Native  etc.) and I think a DAC show allow for all versions going forward. Also DSD DACs up-sample to a specific very high frequency all incoming Digital signals so playing a PCM native file is not possible if you are upsampling every signal coming in.

I think the best solution is to design a DAC that has 2 different circuit paths - one optimized for DSD and one optimized for PCM. There are some newer chips coming out that should allow us to do this.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Aug 2014, 05:57 pm
Once i get Dsd files through a vendor like Hd Tracks i am not getting a DSD dac? I thought about one seriously for awhile. Probably would've bought the Matrix.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Aug 2014, 06:13 pm

I think the best solution is to design a DAC that has 2 different circuit paths - one optimized for DSD and one optimized for PCM. There are some newer chips coming out that should allow us to do this.

james

hmm, very interesting, very interesting indeed as I pick up on how you phrased that. Are you suggesting that this is something we may indeed see from Bryston in the future?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Aug 2014, 06:20 pm
hmm, very interesting, very interesting indeed as I pick up on how you phrased that. Are you suggesting that this is something we may indeed see from Bryston in the future?

Hi Rod,

I think this will be the correct approach going forward and I am certainly looking into it.  The question really is will DSD become much of a market force in the future so the extra expense of a more complicated DAC may or may not make sense?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Aug 2014, 06:46 pm
That makes sense. Currently PCM in the form of FLAC, ALC, etc. dominate in the high res digital download arena but I suppose that's due in part to the fact DSD downloads are relatively new. If they only remain available in just a select few sites to purchase it probably won't catch on. It's interesting though because the physical form of the medium, SACD remains very poplar though with the classical music and jazz music labels and there is certainly no signs of slowing down on the amount of material coming to market.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 06:47 pm
Hi Antun

There is nothing wrong with DSD over PCM (DOP) as it is still a DSD file. My concern is with the fact that there are other was to decode DSD as well (64, 128, 256, DOP, Native  etc.) and I think a DAC show allow for all versions going forward. Also DSD DACs up-sample to a specific very high frequency all incoming Digital signals so playing a PCM native file is not possible if you are upsampling every signal coming in.

I think the best solution is to design a DAC that has 2 different circuit paths - one optimized for DSD and one optimized for PCM. There are some newer chips coming out that should allow us to do this.

james

Hi James,

I love reading your posts on this subject. The BDA-1 is my reference DAC and even having reviewed far more expensive units I still love it, and the optional upsampling function, which I prefer most of the time.

Even with a a budget that stretches well beyond the cost of a new BDA-2, I would still put the BDA-2 as first on my list for a new DAC.

I very much look forward to your DSD solution and I have complete faith it will be a sound one, no pun intended..

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 06:52 pm
That makes sense. Currently PCM in the form of FLAC, ALC, etc. dominate in the high res digital download arena but I suppose that's due in part to the fact DSD downloads are relatively new. If they only remain available in just a select few sites to purchase it probably won't catch on. It's interesting though because the physical form of the medium, SACD remains very poplar though with the classical music and jazz music labels and there is certainly no signs of slowing down on the amount of material coming to market.
let's put things in perspective. Acoustic Sounds currently has around 400 DSD downloads for sale. About 300 of those are rock, pop, or jazz. About 250 of those are artists you have heard of.

Are you going to build the architecture of your digital front end around DSD, basically a unicorn format as far as commercial availability.. Or around PCM files..the format that 99.9 of all,digital music is in?

DXD is the biggest joke...
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 06:55 pm
Hi Rod,

I think this will be the correct approach going forward and I am certainly looking into it.  The question really is will DSD become much of a market force in the future so the extra expense of a more complicated DAC may or may not make sense?

james

James, if one is not an avid classical music aficionado, there 400 commercially available DSD downloads.

They are $25 a pop to boot.

I think,those numbers speak for themselves. But the marketing pressure, unfortunately created by the audio press, is real.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Aug 2014, 07:53 pm
let's put things in perspective. Acoustic Sounds currently has around 400 DSD downloads for sale. About 300 of those are rock, pop, or jazz. About 250 of those are artists you have heard of.

Are you going to build the architecture of your digital front end around DSD, basically a unicorn format as far as commercial availability.. Or around PCM files..the format that 99.9 of all,digital music is in?

DXD is the biggest joke...

If I was an avid classical music and jazz listener I would definitely build a system around SACD and it's possible DSD may be the natural evolution of labels for both formats.

Formats take time so I wouldn't necessarily write it off, not just yet anyways :) however even if it does pick up stride it's likely to be no more than a niche format like DVD-A and SACD but they are both still here and offer superb audio for those that want a physical medium and they both offer surround sound which from what I can tell is almost non existent in the digital download arena. I wouldn't call the superb releases on SACD and DVD-Audio a joke as they are marvelous to listen to.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Aug 2014, 07:56 pm
Hi James,

I love reading your posts on this subject. The BDA-1 is my reference DAC and even having reviewed far more expensive units I still love it, and the optional upsampling function, which I prefer most of the time.

Even with a a budget that stretches well beyond the cost of a new BDA-2, I would still put the BDA-2 as first on my list for a new DAC.

I very much look forward to your DSD solution and I have complete faith it will be a sound one, no pun intended..

Hi

Try this, i wish i would have when i had the BDA1.

Go in with the appropriate sized torex and release the nut holding down the transformer. Then release the screws holding down the pcb board. About a 1/4 turn each, thats it. Everything comes from manufactures tighten down way to much. Which is useful for shipping but not playback. Remember when cd players had the transport screws? Same thing...

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Aug 2014, 07:57 pm
James, if one is not an avid classical music aficionado, there 400 commercially available DSD downloads.

They are $25 a pop to boot.

I think,those numbers speak for themselves. But the marketing pressure, unfortunately created by the audio press, is real.

True but that's also not much above most of the high resolution PCM download prices. It's the nature of the business, for those wanting high res the price is adjusted to reflect it and it's not cheap, either way.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Aug 2014, 08:03 pm
James, if one is not an avid classical music aficionado, there 400 commercially available DSD downloads.

They are $25 a pop to boot.

I think,those numbers speak for themselves. But the marketing pressure, unfortunately created by the audio press, is real.

I see dsd has risen from the dark ages. Its a start i am sure this time next year it'll be pretty good for DSD availability.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 08:48 pm
If I was an avid classical music and jazz listener I would definitely build a system around SACD and it's possible DSD may be the natural evolution of labels for both formats.

Formats take time so I wouldn't necessarily write it off, not just yet anyways :) however even if it does pick up stride it's likely to be no more than a niche format like DVD-A and SACD but they are both still here and offer superb audio for those that want a physical medium and they both offer surround sound which from what I can tell is almost non existent in the digital download arena. I wouldn't call the superb releases on SACD and DVD-Audio a joke as they are marvelous to listen to.

I am specifically separating the DSD DOWNLOAD market from the PHYSICAL SACD market.

I am a big fan of DSD and SACD sound wise. But the files freed from the physical format has been over hyped shamelessly.

FYI, I said DXD is a joke, not DSD. DXD is a manufacturer created buzzword. Period.

And I am sure you know that many, many SACDs and DSD downloads may have spent some time in the PCM domain, or so called
DXD for editing.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 08:49 pm
I see dsd has risen from the dark ages. Its a start i am sure this time next year it'll be pretty good for DSD availability.

Well you realize that less than 2% of ALL commercially recorded music has been mastered in DSD. Hmmm.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 08:51 pm
True but that's also not much above most of the high resolution PCM download prices. It's the nature of the business, for those wanting high res the price is adjusted to reflect it and it's not cheap, either way.

There are always discounts available for HDTracks, Qobuz, and Pro Studio Masters. Not so for Superhirez.

The $25 price is not justifed. No manufacturing, no printing, and no shipping costs.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 08:52 pm
Hi

Try this, i wish i would have when i had the BDA1.

Go in with the appropriate sized torex and release the nut holding down the transformer. Then release the screws holding down the pcb board. About a 1/4 turn each, thats it. Everything comes from manufactures tighten down way to much. Which is useful for shipping but not playback. Remember when cd players had the transport screws? Same thing...

Um, huh?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Aug 2014, 09:16 pm
I am specifically separating the DSD DOWNLOAD market from the PHYSICAL SACD market.

I am a big fan of DSD and SACD sound wise. But the files freed from the physical format has been over hyped shamelessly.

FYI, I said DXD is a joke, not DSD. DXD is a manufacturer created buzzword. Period.

And I am sure you know that many, many SACDs and DSD downloads may have spent some time in the PCM domain, or so called
DXD for editing.

Hi servingthemusic

Can you expand on the DXD as a buzzword please.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 30 Aug 2014, 09:47 pm
Hi James.

I used the phrase buzzword in reference to DXD as a viable commercial end user format.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Aug 2014, 12:50 am
Can't really think of a good reason to do that.  It's an on-chip enable/disable function, it's not like any signal goes through the switch to get degraded.  I think the majority of songs in a library sound better with upsampling bypassed, however for poorly recorded or compressed tracks, upsampling can often make them sound better.

Steve

If your dac is a non upsampling dac do you need a Sample rate converter chip? IDK.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 31 Aug 2014, 10:08 am
Hi Antun

There is nothing wrong with DSD over PCM (DOP) as it is still a DSD file. My concern is with the fact that there are other was to decode DSD as well (64, 128, 256, DOP, Native  etc.) and I think a DAC show allow for all versions going forward. Also DSD DACs up-sample to a specific very high frequency all incoming Digital signals so playing a PCM native file is not possible if you are upsampling every signal coming in.

I think the best solution is to design a DAC that has 2 different circuit paths - one optimized for DSD and one optimized for PCM. There are some newer chips coming out that should allow us to do this.

james

And there is the precursor to the BDA-3 :)

Format aside, I'd like to see studios release the music before it was compressed for public consumption.

I'd think they edit songs until they have a perfect copy, then take that copy and compress it for public consumption. Does anyone know if that's the case? If so, it would't really require any extra work on the part of the studios to release them, right?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Aug 2014, 11:03 am
Hi James.

I used the phrase buzzword in reference to DXD as a viable commercial end user format.

OK thanks.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 31 Aug 2014, 01:37 pm
Hi Antun

There is nothing wrong with DSD over PCM (DOP) as it is still a DSD file. My concern is with the fact that there are other was to decode DSD as well (64, 128, 256, DOP, Native  etc.) and I think a DAC show allow for all versions going forward. Also DSD DACs up-sample to a specific very high frequency all incoming Digital signals so playing a PCM native file is not possible if you are upsampling every signal coming in.

I think the best solution is to design a DAC that has 2 different circuit paths - one optimized for DSD and one optimized for PCM. There are some newer chips coming out that should allow us to do this.

james

Hi James!

I believe that is what I said, converting PCM to DSD inevitably means cahning the sample length and sampling frequncy and as I remember, you mentioned how you are not keen on these techniques but rather prefer to decode each file in the way it was encoded.

One thing to consider is that DSD seems to be available only through USB. In the case you should build a PCM/DSD DAC as a one box solution, the connection to your BDP would have to be USB. As an audiophile, and I am sure many would agree, I would take chip-based hardware of the Envy24 chipset over software encoders in your BDP any day of the week. Just like you, I prefer AES XLR over USB.

Alternatively, USB would eliminate the need for a sound-card on your BDP which would make things less expensive for the customer.

Lots of things to consider but I know I won't be getting a DSD DAC till the format's future is clear. There is a strong chance it will never catch on. The advantage in smaller file size over PCM WAV is irrelevant considering disk space is becoming greater and cheaper by the minute.

Best,
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Aug 2014, 01:43 pm
Hi James!

I believe that is what I said, converting PCM to DSD inevitably means cahning the sample length and sampling frequncy and as I remember, you mentioned how you are not keen on these techniques but rather prefer to decode each file in the way it was encoded.

One thing to consider is that DSD seems to be available only through USB. In the case you should build a PCM/DSD DAC as a one box solution, the connection to your BDP would have to be USB. As an audiophile, and I am sure many would agree, I would take chip-based hardware of the Envy24 chipset over software encoders in your BDP any day of the week. Just like you, I prefer AES XLR over USB.

Alternatively, USB would eliminate the need for a sound-card on your BDP which would make things less expensive for the customer.

Lots of things to consider but I know I won't be getting a DSD DAC till the format's future is clear. There is a strong chance it will never catch on. The advantage in smaller file size over PCM WAV is irrelevant considering disk space is becoming greater and cheaper by the minute.

Best,
Antun

The bda2 will play dsd. Or at least the akm chip set does.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: werd on 31 Aug 2014, 02:23 pm
Um, huh?

Check it out
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 31 Aug 2014, 02:44 pm
The bda2 will play dsd. Or at least the akm chip set does.

Hi!

The AK4399 DAC is capable of on-chip DSD conversion but the BDA-2's firmware is not. According to Bryston, doing this would require bypassing the sample-rate converter which would then compromise the PCM processing and audio quality because the SRC is one of the key figures in jitter reduction.

This is why Bryston is thinking of a two-way approach with separate circuits for respective PCM and DSD processing.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 1 Sep 2014, 01:07 pm
To James or those who know, I would like to know something about the Bryston AES/EBU digital cable. From whom was are the wires sourced? Mogami perhaps? If so, is it the 3080 model?

I am trying to see if there are differences in these cables so I'd like to know more because Bryston's website doesn't say what kind of a conductor this cable uses.

I appreciate your input!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Sep 2014, 01:57 pm
To James or those who know, I would like to know something about the Bryston AES/EBU digital cable. From whom was are the wires sourced? Mogami perhaps? If so, is it the 3080 model?

I am trying to see if there are differences in these cables so I'd like to know more because Bryston's website doesn't say what kind of a conductor this cable uses.

I appreciate your input!

Cheers!
Antun

Its 110 ohm Belden Cable with gold plated XLR connectors or 75 ohm BNC or 75 ohm COAX connectors.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: speltz on 21 Sep 2014, 08:16 pm
 :D I'm delighted to say that I now own a BDA-2, paired with the BDP-1 I purchased nearly two years ago. And I'm loving the results! :D

The most obvious (and I do mean obvious) change is the 3-dimensional soundstage the BDA-2 delivers. In the past, the soundstage from my system was always 2-D -- left to right. This is the first time my setup has ever produced a soundstage with depth, in particular extending back behind my speakers (MartinLogans).

My experience is consistent with the reviews I've read saying the sound is moved back (recessed) with the BDA-2. But it's not a negative when it's delivering that 3-dimensional sense of musical space. The music still has plenty of toe-tapping energy and drive, with both pop/rock and jazz music.

Initially, there was some harshness to the upper frequencies. I was sure the fault lay with my system, which has a tendency to tip into over-bright territory. Yesterday I swapped out the XLR cable connecting the BDP-1 to the BDA-2, and that seems to have solved the problem. I listened continuously for about 90 minutes earlier today with no fatigue.

My old DAC was neither old nor cheap, but the BDA-2 is superior to it, and the differences are not subtle. A subtle improvement is all I expected -- hence my delight with the actual results.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 18 Oct 2014, 01:04 pm
I wonder if there will be a BDA-3  and when and what might this DAC include :eyebrows:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 25 Oct 2014, 10:14 pm
Whatever magic the "BDA-3" will surely offer, please-please-please include a polarity switch.
The sheer transparency of these units begs for this option, hopefully in the digital domain.
(its my only gripe with my BDP-2/BDA-2 combo)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 28 Oct 2014, 06:20 pm
Whatever magic the "BDA-3" will surely offer, please-please-please include a polarity switch.
The sheer transparency of these units begs for this option, hopefully in the digital domain.
(its my only gripe with my BDP-2/BDA-2 combo)

James I think it's time for a new BDA 3 thread :   http://audioshark.org/bryston-audio-40/bryston-bda-3-announced-6057.html#post100154

Since it appears to be available  Jan 2015, what will the price be ?

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2014, 06:22 pm
James I think it's time for a new BDA 3 thread :   http://audioshark.org/bryston-audio-40/bryston-bda-3-announced-6057.html#post100154

Since it appears to be available  Jan 2015, what will the price be ?

$3195 list
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 28 Oct 2014, 07:11 pm
...a BDA-3?!? wow! :D

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 28 Oct 2014, 07:23 pm
Was not able to see the pictures on the post above by mav52.  So I guess this will be like the prior DACs but also have an HDMI input?  If so, cool!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: joey116 on 28 Oct 2014, 07:49 pm
$3195 list

Is this technology going to offered as upgrade to other Bryston components... SP3 etc.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: alexone on 28 Oct 2014, 08:24 pm
James,

i believe that you mentioned in an earlier thread that DSD via HDMI would have some jitter issues. if so, how did Bryston solve this problem with the new BDA-3?

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Oct 2014, 08:29 pm
Whoa!, what?

Is there a list of specs on this?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2014, 08:37 pm
Is this technology going to offered as upgrade to other Bryston components... SP3 etc.

Hi Joey

We are looking at adding DSD to the SP3 but a ways off at this point.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2014, 08:38 pm
James,

i believe that you mentioned in an earlier thread that DSD via HDMI would have some jitter issues. if so, how did Bryston solve this problem with the new BDA-3?

al.

Hi al

No way to solve - HDMI is still going to have more jitter than other connections.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 28 Oct 2014, 08:39 pm
$3195 list

Well I'm going to buy one, I've been waiting for this one.   :dance:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2014, 08:40 pm
Whoa!, what?

Is there a list of specs on this?

Hi Rod

Will have specs shortly but we are still in prototype stage so some small changes may be happening.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 28 Oct 2014, 08:48 pm

Was not able to see the pictures on the post above by mav52.  So I guess this will be like the prior DACs but also have an HDMI input?  If so, cool!

I will try to post the 2 pictures




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107641)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107642)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 28 Oct 2014, 09:26 pm
HI James,

exciting news! congrats on the BDA3.

will you be offering options to have more Spdif connections instead of the multitude of HDMI's? Im in need of extra optical nuts already, and have a full set op spdifs on the BDa1, so this BDA3 set would really be a setback....

id love the 10 inputs, but need to have them in different formats, would be wonderful to accommodate that.

Also, since your still in beta, could you provide for a second balanced out?  that way we could feed it to both the bP26 and the BHA1 without any issues, long awaited that one!

Cheers, and again, congrats on an industry leading machine!

Marius

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Oct 2014, 09:31 pm
Hi Rod

Will have specs shortly but we are still in prototype stage so some small changes may be happening.

james

Sounds good, thanks James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2014, 09:33 pm
HI James,

exciting news! congrats on the BDA3.

will you be offering options to have more Spdif connections instead of the multitude of HDMI's? Im in need of extra optical nuts already, and have a full set op spdifs on the BDa1, so this BDA3 set would really be a setback....

id love the 10 inputs, but need to have them in different formats, would be wonderful to accommodate that.

Also, since your still in beta, could you provide for a second balanced out?  that way we could feed it to both the bP26 and the BHA1 without any issues, long awaited that one!

Cheers, and again, congrats on an industry leading machine!

Marius

Hi Marius

I do not think there will be 2 AES but we may be able to offer different versions of the SPDIF connections.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Marius on 28 Oct 2014, 10:03 pm
 :thumb: :thumb:
Awesome!

Please have some extra thought on the 2nd balanced out, and a deal is in the making!
Very exiting this is.

Marius

Hi Marius

I do not think there will be 2 AES but we may be able to offer different versions of the SPDIF connections.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 28 Oct 2014, 11:13 pm
I will try to post the 2 pictures




(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107641)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107642)

Thanks for the pics.  I sent an e-mail to my friend Karl to see if he is going to get one to review for the Absolute Sound (he did the BDA-2 review and I called him when I found out as I was about to pull the trigger on a DSD DAC and wanted to know if he knew if DSD was planned).
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Oct 2014, 12:34 am
So in reading the posted photos I see that it says DSDx4 natively, how does this relate to using the BDP-2 for DSD then? I know that the BDP does DoP, what was it via the USB?? so that implies a conversion of the DSD signal. In order to keep the DSD native would that mean this is something that can not yet be done via the BDP-2 and we would need another player in order to do that?

Another question, what's the difference between DSDx4 and DSD512 which is also mentioned? Is DSDx4 DSD256? If so does that then mean the DBA-3 can not decode DSD512(i.e. DSDx8???) natively?

It's odd seeing HDMI inputs/outputs on a DAC. To bad my Denon DVD-A1 didn't output SACD at it's native resolution over HDMI, it is unfortunately limited to 16/44.1. The native resolution can only be output via DenonLink or analog.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 12:39 am
:thumb: :thumb:
Awesome!

Please have some extra thought on the 2nd balanced out, and a deal is in the making!
Very exiting this is.

Marius


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107649)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 12:45 am
So in reading the posted photos I see that it says DSDx4 natively, how does this relate to using the BDP-2 for DSD then? I know that the BDP does DoP, what was it via the USB?? so that implies a conversion of the DSD signal. In order to keep the DSD native would that mean this is something that can not yet be done via the BDP-2 and we would need another player in order to do that?

Another question, what's the difference between DSDx4 and DSD512 which is also mentioned? Is DSDx4 DSD256? If so does that then mean the DBA-3 can not decode DSD512(i.e. DSDx8???) natively?

It's odd seeing HDMI inputs/outputs on a DAC. To bad my Denon DVD-A1 didn't output SACD at it's native resolution over HDMI, it is unfortunately limited to 16/44.1. The native resolution can only be output via DenonLink or analog.

Yes currently the BDP2 does DSD DOP but going forward we will look at other options in software.

Yes DSD512 is DSDx4 (which is really theoretical at this point as I am not aware of any material available)

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Oct 2014, 01:07 am
Yes currently the BDP2 does DSD DOP but going forward we will look at other options in software.

Yes DSD512 is DSDx4 (which is really theoretical at this point as I am not aware of any material available)

james

So just to confirm, DSD512 is DSDx4, not DSD256? So many numbers I just want to make sure I understand things correctly :)

Very interesting, I like that you are going to look to see if the current BDP platform can output DSD natively with a software update. My plan was and perhaps still is to get the BDP-2 with my income tax, do you think you would know by tax season if that's doable? I really want the player but would certainly hold off for a BDP-3 so to speak if you discover new hardware would be necessary to pull off DSD native output and it was a feature you wanted to offer customers in a product.

Setting aside DSD native output for the moment, since a USB cable is necessary for that and DOP are all of the PCM resolutions also output via the USB or would one still need to connect another cable (i.e. toslink, SPDIF, AES/EBU) to do the PCM magic?

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Oct 2014, 01:09 am
One more thing, what version is your HDMI implementation in the BDA-3? If you want to wait to disclose that, no worries, I understand.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 01:18 am
So just to confirm, DSD512 is DSDx4, not DSD256? So many numbers I just want to make sure I understand things correctly :)

Very interesting, I like that you are going to look to see if the current BDP platform can output DSD natively with a software update. My plan was and perhaps still is to get the BDP-2 with my income tax, do you think you would know by tax season if that's doable? I really want the player but would certainly hold off for a BDP-3 so to speak if you discover new hardware would be necessary to pull off DSD native output and it was a feature you wanted to offer customers in a product.

Setting aside DSD native output for the moment, since a USB cable is necessary for that and DOP are all of the PCM resolutions also output via the USB or would one still need to connect another cable (i.e. toslink, SPDIF, AES/EBU) to do the PCM magic?

Thanks

Hi Rod

Nothing planned beyond the BDP2 and I assume any upgrade would be software based as the computing power in the BDP2 is substantial.   No other way to do DSD legally other than USB so do not see changes there either.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: gdayton on 29 Oct 2014, 01:20 am
For what it's worth, the BDP-2 puts out DSD using DoP which is not a conversion to PCM. The data rate for 176kHz/16 bit PCM is the same as DSD-64, so the extra 8 bits are simply used to flag the DAC that the incoming data is DSD instead of PCM. So, you're still getting unadulterated DSD from the BDP even with DoP.

-Gary
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: smilach on 29 Oct 2014, 04:17 am
Now I need someone to sell me their silver BDA-2 to help fund their purchase of a new BDA-3 !!  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Oct 2014, 11:41 am
Hi Rod

Nothing planned beyond the BDP2 and I assume any upgrade would be software based as the computing power in the BDP2 is substantial.   No other way to do DSD legally other than USB so do not see changes there either.

james

That sounds good, I'm definitely looking forward to getting the BDP-2.

So for our PCM based collection of music, just to clarify that part of my question better, for example can our FLAC files at all their resolutions be transmitted to a DAC via the BDP's USB or does the PCM stuff we have need to use one of the other outputs perhaps because the USB out does not support certain PCM resolutions, say anything higher than 96/24 as an example?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 11:49 am
That sounds good, I'm definitely looking forward to getting the BDP-2.

So for our PCM based collection of music, just to clarify that part of my question better, for example can our FLAC files at all their resolutions be transmitted to a DAC via the BDP's USB or does the PCM stuff we have need to use one of the other outputs perhaps because the USB out does not support certain PCM resolutions, say anything higher than 96/24 as an example?

Hi Rod,

The USB out on the BDP2 will support all PCM sample rates up to 192/24 in all formats - Flac, AIFF, Wave, Apple Lossless etc.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Oct 2014, 03:56 pm
Hi Rod,

The USB out on the BDP2 will support all PCM sample rates up to 192/24 in all formats - Flac, AIFF, Wave, Apple Lossless etc.

james

Thanks

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: shortcuttomoncton on 29 Oct 2014, 04:01 pm
Is there a trigger out?  It's a bit blurry on my screen but I only see Trigger In on the right...?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 04:19 pm
Is there a trigger out?  It's a bit blurry on my screen but I only see Trigger In on the right...?

Trigger in only.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 29 Oct 2014, 05:18 pm
...so the BDA-2 is going to disappear??

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 05:43 pm
...so the BDA-2 is going to disappear??

al.

No - not at all.  Unless you want DSD and HDMI stick with the BDA2

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: shortcuttomoncton on 29 Oct 2014, 05:53 pm
Trigger in only.

james
Can I ask why some manufacturers choose not to use a trigger out?  A DAC like the BDA will feed a preamp and amp.  If the DAC turns on with trigger-in, then I need to go and manually/remotely turn on my preamp and have it trigger my amp.  Is there an issue I am not seeing about having the DAC trigger the preamp, which triggers the amp - in other words, the source conveniently triggering the entire chain?  From that perspective, I have always thought that if you had to choose one, you would choose to only have a trigger-out on a DAC source, not a trigger in. 

I went through this issue last year with my NAD M51 DAC - one of the common complaints against it was that there was a trigger in but no trigger out.  It was one of the reasons I eventually sold it.  I noticed that NAD recently updated the M51 and it now includes a 12v trigger out....

Interested in your thoughts on this issue - perhaps there is a concern I have not thought of.  Many thanks!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2014, 06:03 pm
Can I ask why some manufacturers choose not to use a trigger out?  A DAC like the BDA will feed a preamp and amp.  If the DAC turns on with trigger-in, then I need to go and manually/remotely turn on my preamp and have it trigger my amp.  Is there an issue I am not seeing about having the DAC trigger the preamp, which triggers the amp - in other words, the source conveniently triggering the entire chain?  From that perspective, I have always thought that if you had to choose one, you would choose to only have a trigger-out on a DAC source, not a trigger in. 

I went through this issue last year with my NAD M51 DAC - one of the common complaints against it was that there was a trigger in but no trigger out.  It was one of the reasons I eventually sold it.  I noticed that NAD recently updated the M51 and it now includes a 12v trigger out....

Interested in your thoughts on this issue - perhaps there is a concern I have not thought of.  Many thanks!

Hi

You can attached the wires to the trigger IN on the BDA3 and another set in the same trigger IN socket to trigger the next component.  You do not need a separate trigger OUT as the triggers would be in series with the source component.  So in our case the BP26 preamp trigger output would attach to the BDA3 and would turn it on when you turn on the preamp and then the BDA3 would pass the trigger voltage on to the next component in the line.

Hope this make sense.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 29 Oct 2014, 06:17 pm
I'd like to see an IR input on the back.

So, the BDA3 will have the same sound as the BDA2 for PCM?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Grit on 29 Oct 2014, 11:35 pm
Hi Joey

We are looking at adding DSD to the SP3 but a ways off at this point.

james

Question for you James.  Would that addition require a hardware change? And if so, would it change the DACs?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Oct 2014, 12:44 am
Question for you James.  Would that addition require a hardware change? And if so, would it change the DACs?

- Garrett

It would need a new USB board as far as I know.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Oct 2014, 12:10 pm
For what it's worth, the BDP-2 puts out DSD using DoP which is not a conversion to PCM. The data rate for 176kHz/16 bit PCM is the same as DSD-64, so the extra 8 bits are simply used to flag the DAC that the incoming data is DSD instead of PCM. So, you're still getting unadulterated DSD from the BDP even with DoP.

-Gary

Good to know, thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 1 Nov 2014, 03:20 pm
Hi James!

This is exciting albeit a bit sudden. I didn't expect to see a DSD-capable DAC so soon.

I have a few guestions:

1) We already discussed the matter of DSD implementation into your BDA-2 DAC and your concern then was that DSD capability would require bypassing of the sample-rate converter which would increadse jitter and compromise PCM performance of the DAC. The obvious solution to this problem, as you explained it, was to have two separate circuits, one dedicated solely to PCM decoding and the other to DSD decoding. My question is: is this approach now being employed in the BDA-3 DAC?

2) Your products are developed on the basis of technological research as well as listening tests. How much would I be benefitting from the BDA-3 over my existing BDA-2 when it comes to PCM playback? Would there be an improvement in audio quality over the BDA-2 DAC?

3) Everyone is talking about BDP-2 and it's compatibility with DSD. How do the things stand with the BDP-1 player? Does it allow same compatibility?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 1 Nov 2014, 03:40 pm
Hi James!

This is exciting albeit a bit sudden. I didn't expect to see a DSD-capable DAC so soon.

I have a few guestions:

1) We already discussed the matter of DSD implementation into your BDA-2 DAC and your concern then was that DSD capability would require bypassing of the sample-rate converter which would increadse jitter and compromise PCM performance of the DAC. The obvious solution to this problem, as you explained it, was to have two separate circuits, one dedicated solely to PCM decoding and the other to DSD decoding. My question is: is this approach now being employed in the BDA-3 DAC?

2) Your products are developed on the basis of technological research as well as listening tests. How much would I be benefitting from the BDA-3 over my existing BDA-2 when it comes to PCM playback? Would there be an improvement in audio quality over the BDA-2 DAC?

3) Everyone is talking about BDP-2 and it's compatibility with DSD. How do the things stand with the BDP-1 player? Does it allow same compatibility?

Cheers!
Antun

Superb questions.

Going on Bryston's track record, they probably did everything correctly on an engineering level.

The fact they waited this long to implement DSD and make other changes to the design is clear proof of their integrity.

As a BDA-1 owner, I have heard nothing better...but the BDA-3 may be my calling for upgrade.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Mag on 1 Nov 2014, 08:25 pm
I'm excited about multi-channel dsd dac! :hyper:

Without 5.1 analog outs however the cost for me would be too much. Since the SP2 doesn't have HDMI, I would have to purchase another multi-channel sound processor in addition to the BDA-3 and shelve the SP2. :(

And how much does it cost to download sacd, is the price reasonable?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Alpha10 on 2 Nov 2014, 03:59 pm
Not sure if I missed it in the thread, but, is the BDA3 using the same DAC chips as the BDA2?

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 2 Nov 2014, 04:12 pm
No it's different
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 2 Nov 2014, 04:35 pm
I think it's the same chip utilized differently ^^^
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Nov 2014, 04:40 pm
I think it's the same chip utilized differently ^^^

http://www.audioaficionado.org/bryston-audio/28796-bryston-bda-3-announced-2.html

"Hi

I have not done a straight ahead shoot out yet but the only difference is we are using a new AKM DAC which is being used because it will do DSD.

james"
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 2 Nov 2014, 04:48 pm
It's not clear. The existing dac in the BDA 2 does DsD.  I would need to know what AKM dac chip is in the BDA 3 to know for sure.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 2 Nov 2014, 05:17 pm
Probably is a new chip due to the multichannel mode. I doubt though they will run a dual dac like the BDA 2.
Which would be a bummer.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Nov 2014, 06:27 pm
Here's a list of their DACs - not sure of the differences

http://www.akm.com/akm/en/product/detail/0021/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 02:03 am
Yes it is a new AKM DAC just released and there will be 2 used.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 3 Nov 2014, 01:44 pm
Yes it is a new AKM DAC just released and there will be 2 used.

james

Hi James!

This is exciting albeit a bit sudden. I didn't expect to see a DSD-capable DAC so soon.

I have a few guestions:

1) We already discussed the matter of DSD implementation into your BDA-2 DAC and your concern then was that DSD capability would require bypassing of the sample-rate converter which would increadse jitter and compromise PCM performance of the DAC. The obvious solution to this problem, as you explained it, was to have two separate circuits, one dedicated solely to PCM decoding and the other to DSD decoding. My question is: is this approach now being employed in the BDA-3 DAC?

2) Your products are developed on the basis of technological research as well as listening tests. How much would I be benefitting from the BDA-3 over my existing BDA-2 when it comes to PCM playback? Would there be an improvement in audio quality over the BDA-2 DAC?

3) Everyone is talking about BDP-2 and it's compatibility with DSD. How do the things stand with the BDP-1 player? Does it allow same compatibility?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 02:01 pm
Hi James!

This is exciting albeit a bit sudden. I didn't expect to see a DSD-capable DAC so soon.

I have a few guestions:

1) We already discussed the matter of DSD implementation into your BDA-2 DAC and your concern then was that DSD capability would require bypassing of the sample-rate converter which would increadse jitter and compromise PCM performance of the DAC. The obvious solution to this problem, as you explained it, was to have two separate circuits, one dedicated solely to PCM decoding and the other to DSD decoding. My question is: is this approach now being employed in the BDA-3 DAC?

2) Your products are developed on the basis of technological research as well as listening tests. How much would I be benefitting from the BDA-3 over my existing BDA-2 when it comes to PCM playback? Would there be an improvement in audio quality over the BDA-2 DAC?

3) Everyone is talking about BDP-2 and it's compatibility with DSD. How do the things stand with the BDP-1 player? Does it allow same compatibility?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

1. Yes the input section determines the type of signal coming in (DSD or PCM) and routes it to the appropriate circuitry inside the BDA3

2. I do not think you would find PCM sounding much different through the BDA2 or the BDA3. Most of the listening tests seem to support the premise (and has from the beginning of our DAC developments) that most quality DACs are within a hair of each other when it comes to technical performance on paper.  Where the larger issues are is in power supply integrity and type (analog vs switching), discrete analog fully balanced amplification circuit topology (not IC's), electrical noise etc. So the differences when it comes to these design features in the BDA2 and BDA3 are essentially the same.

3. Yes the BDP-1 will allow for DSD playback with the MM software and a USB 2 DAC.

Hope this helps.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 3 Nov 2014, 02:39 pm
James,

so the hdmi inputs of the BDA-3 are some kind of audio de-embedders??

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 02:50 pm
James,

so the hdmi inputs of the BDA-3 are some kind of audio de-embedders??

al.

No they are standard HDMI connections.  A lot of products now only offer HDMI out instead of COAX - example TV cable boxes. Also DVD players like the OPPO offer SACD output on HDMI which will work with the BDA3.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: klao on 3 Nov 2014, 04:59 pm
3. Yes the BDP-1 will allow for DSD playback with the MM software and a USB 2 DAC.

I that case would BDP-1 output DSD via AES/EBU or SPDIF?  Does the unit has USB out??

Thank you, James.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 05:00 pm
I that case would BDP-1 output DSD via AES/EBU or SPDIF?  Does the unit has USB out??

Thank you, James.

No you can not legally output DSD except on USB

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: klao on 3 Nov 2014, 05:15 pm
Sorry, James.  I'm a bit confused.

So, would the original (non-USB) BDP-1 that I have, if updated with latest Manic Moose firmware, somehow plays the DSD files, or not?

Thanks again. : )
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Nov 2014, 05:21 pm
Sorry, James.  I'm a bit confused.

So, would the original (non-USB) BDP-1 that I have, if updated with latest Manic Moose firmware, somehow plays the DSD files, or not?

Thanks again. : )

Hi

The BDP-1 has 4 USB connections. USB connections are 2-way so they can be used to receive or send signals.  So connect the DSD DAC to one of the USB outputs on your BDP-1 (reboot the BDP-1) and it will output DSD after you choose the DSD DAC in the MM software.  The DSD DAC must be USB 2 version.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: klao on 3 Nov 2014, 05:51 pm
Hi

The BDP-1 has 4 USB connections. USB connections are 2-way so they can be used to receive or send signals.  So connect the DSD DAC to one of the USB outputs on your BDP-1 (reboot the BDP-1) and it will output DSD after you choose the DSD DAC in the MM software.  The DSD DAC must be USB 2 version.

james

OK, that's clear to me now.  I thought USB connections in the BDP-1 are just one way (in).  Thank you.

The latest BDA-3 has two, how should I call "circuits/paths", one optimized for PCM & one for DSD, as you mentioned before somewhere?

EDITED: Got that.  Failed to read your answer no. 1 to Antun.  :)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 3 Nov 2014, 06:30 pm
Hi Antun

1. Yes the input section determines the type of signal coming in (DSD or PCM) and routes it to the appropriate circuitry inside the BDA3

2. I do not think you would find PCM sounding much different through the BDA2 or the BDA3. Most of the listening tests seem to support the premise (and has from the beginning of our DAC developments) that most quality DACs are within a hair of each other when it comes to technical performance on paper.  Where the larger issues are is in power supply integrity and type (analog vs switching), discrete analog fully balanced amplification circuit topology (not IC's), electrical noise etc. So the differences when it comes to these design features in the BDA2 and BDA3 are essentially the same.

3. Yes the BDP-1 will allow for DSD playback with the MM software and a USB 2 DAC.

Hope this helps.

james

It does indeed, thank you very much!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 4 Nov 2014, 05:14 pm
This talk of multi-channel, where are you guys finding multi-channel downloads be it DSD and/or PCM? I haven't come across any yet thus I've only experienced multi-channel via SACD and DVD-Audio discs.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 4 Nov 2014, 05:22 pm
This talk of multi-channel, where are you guys finding multi-channel downloads be it DSD and/or PCM? I haven't come across any yet thus I've only experienced multi-channel via SACD and DVD-Audio discs.

If you can extract DSD ISO files which have a multi-channel layer, you can extract the multi-channel layer.  I did about 50 multi-channel extracts for a secondary system where I have an Oppo 103D with a hard drive attached to it.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 4 Nov 2014, 06:29 pm
You mean straight from a SACD? I never thought to do that.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 4 Nov 2014, 07:09 pm
You mean straight from a SACD? I never thought to do that.

Correct - I use the PS3 to get the ISO file and then instead of extracting the stereo DSD file, I do multi-channel.  A little resource intensive (even though my main PC is about 3 years old it is a 6 core processor with good RAM) but it gets you there.  I did about 50 as I just have a 1TB hard drive attached to the 103D with FLAC files of CD quality, some FLAC files higher than CD resolution, some 2 channel DSD in addition to multi-channel DSD>
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 4 Nov 2014, 07:33 pm
hmm, the PS3, that must be one of the early versions that could play SACD then I assume.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 4 Nov 2014, 07:47 pm
hmm, the PS3, that must be one of the early versions that could play SACD then I assume.

Correct - got one several years ago.  Took me about a year and a half to find one (on Craigslist) not upgraded beyond firmware 3.55.  If you have SACDs and need the DSD files, it is not a problem.  All you need to do is get a hard drive for someone to put the files on and either get them the discs or a list of what you have on disc (since I'm sure there will be at least some in common) and you can play them.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bmoura on 6 Nov 2014, 03:03 am
This talk of multi-channel, where are you guys finding multi-channel downloads be it DSD and/or PCM? I haven't come across any yet thus I've only experienced multi-channel via SACD and DVD-Audio discs.

Check Native DSD.Com and Pentatone for Multichannel DSD Downloads.  Native DSD has over 300 and PentaTone has almost 200. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 6 Nov 2014, 08:42 pm
James,

the BDA-3 still has no led's to indicate the incoming bitrate. i'd say that this beautiful machine would deserve a feature like this...don't you agree?!?

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Nov 2014, 08:48 pm
James,

the BDA-3 still has no led's to indicate the incoming bitrate. i'd say that this beautiful machine would deserve a feature like this...don't you agree?!?

al.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108152)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 6 Nov 2014, 09:51 pm
...it's the incoming khz/dsd - not the bitrate (16, 24 or even 32 for example)??

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Nov 2014, 10:49 pm
...it's the incoming khz/dsd - not the bitrate (16, 24 or even 32 for example)??

al.

Oh I see what you mean - no we will not be showing the bit rate on the DAC - the interface (Ipad, Iphone, Computer etc.) shows that on the screen with our BDP Digital Player which goes with the BDA3 or BDA2

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 6 Nov 2014, 11:14 pm
The bit depth would be 8, 16, 24, etc bits; the bitrate is the number of bits per second which equals the bit depth X the sample rate X the # of channels, usually expressed as bits per second (bps) or kilobits per second (kbps).  16/44.1 has a bitrate of 1411kbps and 24/176.4 has a bitrate of 8467kbps (non-VBR).

However I don't really think there's much to be missed without displaying the bit depth; every song in my collection that has a sample rate greater than 48KHz is 24-bit except for DSD which is a 1-bit direct stream.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 6 Nov 2014, 11:54 pm
There are lots of 24 bit 44khz recordings. Other than that it seems  redundant. I can't think of any other sample rates that might use both?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 7 Nov 2014, 03:00 am
If one were using a player that truncates the bit depth via HDMI and using something like an HDMI audio de-embedder with no computer bit depth display would be useful.  Before I went to file playback, I dragged one of my players over to John Gatski's (of Everything Audio Network) place since the BDA-1 I had at the time was showing me 176.4kHz and the Oppo BDP-83 was showing me 88.2kHz.  He has an ATI sample rate/AD Converter that showed bit depth.  The player that showed 176.4kHz was only passing 16 bit via the de-embedder.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 7 Nov 2014, 12:43 pm
Yes it is a new AKM DAC just released and there will be 2 used.

james

James is this it AK4396
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 7 Nov 2014, 03:16 pm
Hello James!

So, PCM streams are supported up to 384 kHz on the BDA-3?

If possible, can you please provide a more detailed photo of the rear of the BDA-3? I am interested in the HDMI connectors and I can also see there is a lower number count on the more traditional S/PDIF inputs. I know you probably don't this but a photo showing the inside of the machine would be spectacular.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Nov 2014, 03:32 pm
James is this it AK4396

No it is the 4490.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Nov 2014, 03:35 pm
Hello James!

So, PCM streams are supported up to 384 kHz on the BDA-3?

If possible, can you please provide a more detailed photo of the rear of the BDA-3? I am interested in the HDMI connectors and I can also see there is a lower number count on the more traditional S/PDIF inputs. I know you probably don't this but a photo showing the inside of the machine would be spectacular.

Cheers!
Antun


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108186)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 7 Nov 2014, 03:40 pm
While you're at it, how about a detailed front view as well, James. Thanks!!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Nov 2014, 03:42 pm
While you're at it, how about a detailed front view as well, James. Thanks!!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=108187)

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 7 Nov 2014, 04:21 pm
Interesting, interesting!!

The upper HDMI connectors suggest there is a second smaller PCB on top of the larger lower one.

Having two USB ports means you can have it connected to the BDP and a computer at the same time. Although there seems to be no purpose to that since BDP does all that a computer does, just infinitely better.

I'd prefer to see a lower number of HDMI inputs and a higher number of S/PDIF inputs though. However, my needs are different from that of other people so it was a logical choice to include 4 HDMI inputs.

Sadly, at this moment I don't have a single DSD music title and with respect to everything I had read and heard from people who produce music, it is a utopia to get a pure DSD recording done right, without having to convert it to PCM at one point. Very little effects processing is applied during mixing of classical recordings but even slight volume adjustments are problematic with DSD so the whole "movement" stands on questionable foundation. That is what one of the producers of classical music told me. But, people want it and so manufacturers have to listen.

In any case, I'd buy a DSD DAC from no one else but Bryston if I had a need for one. I am not even convinced that DACs that cost literally three times as much as the BDA-2 sound superior. What I can say is that they sound slightly different, sometimes more resolving at the expense of natural music flow and sometimes smoother at the expense of micro-dynamics. To put it differently, if I do end up owning another DAC, the BDA-2 will by no means become redundant, let alone sold because I do feel like it is a long-term value and owning it makes me proud. As a lover of analogue tape, I now see that what sounded spectacular years ago, still sounds spectacular and BDA-2 is certainly in the "spectacular league".

Cheers!
Antun

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 7 Nov 2014, 04:48 pm
No it is the 4490.

james

James thanks for the information.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 7 Nov 2014, 06:42 pm
No it is the 4490.

james

James - so it is this chip?  http://www.akm.com/file.jsp?id=273638
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 7 Nov 2014, 06:46 pm
James - so it is this chip?  http://www.akm.com/file.jsp?id=273638

I was looking for the mono mode on the multi channel chips for AKM and there wasn't any I could see. That's why's I thought it was a single chip. This one has mono mode.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Nov 2014, 06:46 pm
James - so it is this chip?  http://www.akm.com/file.jsp?id=273638

I think so - I would have to ask engineering to be certain.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 7 Nov 2014, 06:51 pm
The bit depth would be 8, 16, 24, etc bits; the bitrate is the number of bits per second which equals the bit depth X the sample rate X the # of channels, usually expressed as bits per second (bps) or kilobits per second (kbps).  16/44.1 has a bitrate of 1411kbps and 24/176.4 has a bitrate of 8467kbps (non-VBR).

Steve

hey, Steve! yes, i was asking for the bit depth. might not be the most useful feature but i think that it would make the new BDP-3 more complete. so it simply tells you everything about the song you are listening to even without a computer or an ipad etc.

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 7 Nov 2014, 06:56 pm
I think so - I would have to ask engineering to be certain.

james

Actually this is a 2ch dac. Is the BDA 3 a multi channel?  :scratch:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 7 Nov 2014, 07:07 pm
hey, Steve! yes, i was asking for the bit depth. might not be the most useful feature but i think that it would make the new BDP-3 more complete. so it simply tells you everything about the song you are listening to even without a computer or an ipad etc.

Yes, I was just saying you could live without it, but for those scenarios where the bit depth is truncated or manipulated I guess it could come in handy.  You can't have too much information, and I really like the new wave of DACS that have OLED displays that tell all.

I'm sure I will hear from those that say a display adds noise, but the OLED displays are virtually noiseless and are being used in an array of high-end DACs.  If there truly is a noise issue, then the BDP-x components should probably have their displays replaced with LEDs.   ;)

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 7 Nov 2014, 07:14 pm
...a BDP like display could maybe do the trick. if this display would make too much noise then Bryston wouldn't have used it for sure. i agree that a dac with display is really nice...

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 7 Nov 2014, 08:00 pm
Hi James!

May I ask how the up-sampling works on the BDA-3?

Is it still the synchronous mode with a whole number factor used? I assume it now operates at 352.8 and 384 kHz (factor of 8 for 44.1 and 48 kHz signals respectively).

How about the DSD modes? Any up-sampling there?

This is purely informative. I tend to play music at it's native sample rate even though up-sampling on the BDA-2 does sometimes create a bit of a difference in the way bass integrates into the mid-range and the way that male vocals sound to me.

Best,
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Claude on 7 Nov 2014, 08:52 pm
The text on the flyer is not entirely clear on a subject that I'm particularly interested in:

Will the HDMI inputs also accept DSD signals?

Will it be possible to connect an Oppo Blu-ray player over HDMI to the BDA-3 and play SACD (stereo) without having to convert the DSD signal to 24/88.2 PCM in the player?

That feature would be a first on the market of stand-alone DACs (it only exists in some home theatre receivers) and a major selling argument for SACD collectors. The two other DACs with HDMI inputs currently on the market (NAD M51 and Essence) only accept PCM signals.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 7 Nov 2014, 09:04 pm
The text on the flyer is not entirely clear on a subject that I'm particularly interested in:

Will the HDMI inputs also accept DSD signals?

Will it be possible to connect an Oppo Blu-ray player over HDMI to the BDA-3 and play SACD (stereo) without having to convert the DSD signal to 24/88.2 PCM in the player?

That feature would be a first on the market of stand-alone DACs (it only exists in some home theatre receivers) and a major selling argument for SACD collectors. The two other DACs with HDMI inputs currently on the market (NAD M51 and Essence) only accept PCM signals.

DSD is legitimate only through USB.

As for NAD M51, it's intrinsic design limits it to strictly PCM streams. The M51 converts all PCM streams into PWM with it's Zetex 35 bit processor and is thus limited to 192 kHz bandwidth. An extraordinary DAC in any case.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 7 Nov 2014, 09:35 pm
DSD is legitimate only through USB.

As for NAD M51, it's intrinsic design limits it to strictly PCM streams. The M51 converts all PCM streams into PWM with it's Zetex 35 bit processor and is thus limited to 192 kHz bandwidth. An extraordinary DAC in any case.

HDMI 1.2 and above allows for the passing of DSD signals - http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-and-1.4a%3F
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 7 Nov 2014, 09:39 pm
The text on the flyer is not entirely clear on a subject that I'm particularly interested in:

Will the HDMI inputs also accept DSD signals?

Will it be possible to connect an Oppo Blu-ray player over HDMI to the BDA-3 and play SACD (stereo) without having to convert the DSD signal to 24/88.2 PCM in the player?

That feature would be a first on the market of stand-alone DACs (it only exists in some home theatre receivers) and a major selling argument for SACD collectors. The two other DACs with HDMI inputs currently on the market (NAD M51 and Essence) only accept PCM signals

See post 689 by James:

"No they are standard HDMI connections.  A lot of products now only offer HDMI out instead of COAX - example TV cable boxes. Also DVD players like the OPPO offer SACD output on HDMI which will work with the BDA3.

james"
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 7 Nov 2014, 09:40 pm
Actually this is a 2ch dac. Is the BDA 3 a multi channel?  :scratch:

That's what I was seeking to clarify. :scratch:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Claude on 7 Nov 2014, 11:24 pm
See post 689 by James:

"No they are standard HDMI connections.  A lot of products now only offer HDMI out instead of COAX - example TV cable boxes. Also DVD players like the OPPO offer SACD output on HDMI which will work with the BDA3.

james"

Thanks, but it's still not entirely clear, because Oppo players can output DSD or PCM (DSD converted to 24/88) from SACD, depending on the setting. Will the BDA-3 HDMI input accept DSD?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: JRace on 7 Nov 2014, 11:53 pm
That's what I was seeking to clarify. :scratch:
How many analog outputs do you see on the DAC?
2...or 7.1...?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Mag on 8 Nov 2014, 12:59 am
The text on the flyer is not entirely clear on a subject that I'm particularly interested in:

Will the HDMI inputs also accept DSD signals?

Will it be possible to connect an Oppo Blu-ray player over HDMI to the BDA-3 and play SACD (stereo) without having to convert the DSD signal to 24/88.2 PCM in the player?

That feature would be a first on the market of stand-alone DACs (it only exists in some home theatre receivers) and a major selling argument for SACD collectors. The two other DACs with HDMI inputs currently on the market (NAD M51 and Essence) only accept PCM signals.

My understanding though 'Not Official' is. With the HDMI connection 'in' the BDA-3 can process DSD encoded with multi-channel in the bit stream. However you would have to use the HDMI OUT on the BDA-3 to a Multi-Channel processor with compatible HDMI. The Multi-Channel processor can then send the multi-channel signal through 5.1 bypass.

If the DSD bit stream is not encoded with multi-channel. Then the BDA-3 will output to 2 channel analog or HDMI out.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 8 Nov 2014, 03:53 am
How many analog outputs do you see on the DAC?
2...or 7.1...?

There is an HDMI out so until James clarifies the chip and features don't know if multi-channel is possible.  The pic just posted clearly shows just 2-channel analog out - but I was able to see that before on the pics that were not quite as clear.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 8 Nov 2014, 06:18 am
My understanding though 'Not Official' is. With the HDMI connection 'in' the BDA-3 can process DSD encoded with multi-channel in the bit stream. However you would have to use the HDMI OUT on the BDA-3 to a Multi-Channel processor with compatible HDMI. The Multi-Channel processor can then send the multi-channel signal through 5.1 bypass.

If the DSD bit stream is not encoded with multi-channel. Then the BDA-3 will output to 2 channel analog or HDMI out.

It was you It was you that started this rumour of multi channel. friggen mag  :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Nov 2014, 11:04 am
Hi Folks

Will check with engineering but as I understand it the HDMI will Pass Through 5.1 to an appropriate surround processor.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Mag on 8 Nov 2014, 02:08 pm
It was you It was you that started this rumour of multi channel. friggen mag  :lol:

I was looking at DSD downloads and noticed that there are multi-channel albums. So there must be a way to play them. :smoke:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 8 Nov 2014, 02:12 pm
I was looking at DSD downloads and noticed that there are multi-channel albums. So there must be a way to play them. :smoke:

Sure the ExaSound e28 multichannel DAC
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Nov 2014, 02:21 pm
Thanks, but it's still not entirely clear, because Oppo players can output DSD or PCM (DSD converted to 24/88) from SACD, depending on the setting. Will the BDA-3 HDMI input accept DSD?

Hi Claude

The BDA3 will accept SACD on its HDMI inputs, no conversion to PCM is done.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 8 Nov 2014, 08:37 pm
I was looking at DSD downloads and noticed that there are multi-channel albums. So there must be a way to play them. :smoke:

I think I am confusing the BDP with the BDA. Unless you can get multi channel analogue through HDMI into a receiver that will play it :scratch:. There is only 2 channels using a stereo dac set to mono for dual in the
BDA3.  The multi channel signal needs to be sent through the usb into a workable receiver from the BDP. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Mag on 8 Nov 2014, 11:06 pm
I think I am confusing the BDP with the BDA. Unless you can get multi channel analogue through HDMI into a receiver that will play it :scratch:. There is only 2 channels using a stereo dac set to mono for dual in the
BDA3.  The multi channel signal needs to be sent through the usb into a workable receiver from the BDP. Am I missing something?

You are confusing me. :?

Unless you want DSD you don't need the BDA-3, but it will do both pcm & dsd. HDMI, USB is merely for copy protection. The signal has to be converted to analog before the pre-amp, which is why I don't understand why there isn't 5.1 analog outs on the BDA-3.

Perhaps it only does 2 channel as you say. But if the dsd stream is encoded for multi-channel then I don't see why the signal couldn't be processed to 5.1. :smoke:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 9 Nov 2014, 12:40 am
The signal has to be converted to analog before the pre-amp, which is why I don't understand why there isn't 5.1 analog outs on the BDA-3.

There certainly could be, but even though the chip may be multi-channel capable, it's more than just adding output jacks.  An additional 4 channels of discrete output stage circuitry would have to be added to the existing 2 channels of output stage circuitry, and the $3200 stereo DAC becomes a $4500+ multi-channel DAC.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: tomsenko on 9 Nov 2014, 07:41 am
James,

Any updates on the digital preamp project? BDA3+volume control+optional analog card would be a killer product in my opinion.

Toms
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 9 Nov 2014, 11:54 am
There certainly could be, but even though the chip may be multi-channel capable, it's more than just adding output jacks.  An additional 4 channels of discrete output stage circuitry would have to be added to the existing 2 channels of output stage circuitry, and the $3200 stereo DAC becomes a $4500+ multi-channel DAC.

Steve

Hi Steve!

Though my opinion doesn't account for much when it comes to digital technology, I absolutely agree with you and thank you for clarifying that for everyone!

Having a high-end multi-channel DAC like that would also "drag" someone into a serious investment with respect to amplification and speaker and while some may afford it, I know a lot more people who really cannot and probably shouldn't, unless they want to be "irresponsible".

I think what those who ask for a multi-channel DAC from Bryston want is a more affordable version of the SP3. But the SP3 is in actuallity an audio processor as it lacks video processing so I doubt Bryston would consider something like a "scaled-down" version. Nothing they make is really "scaled-down". It might be better suited for a different application or type of a user, but it is of the same approach and therefore high in quality.

Sorry for the monologue (hey, if someone wants to listen to me, I'll go anywhere!).

Best wishes,
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 9 Nov 2014, 01:30 pm
Hi Steve!

Though my opinion doesn't account for much when it comes to digital technology, I absolutely agree with you and thank you for clarifying that for everyone!

Having a high-end multi-channel DAC like that would also "drag" someone into a serious investment with respect to amplification and speaker and while some may afford it, I know a lot more people who really cannot and probably shouldn't, unless they want to be "irresponsible".

I think what those who ask for a multi-channel DAC from Bryston want is a more affordable version of the SP3. But the SP3 is in actuallity an audio processor as it lacks video processing so I doubt Bryston would consider something like a "scaled-down" version. Nothing they make is really "scaled-down". It might be better suited for a different application or type of a user, but it is of the same approach and therefore high in quality.

Sorry for the monologue (hey, if someone wants to listen to me, I'll go anywhere!).

Best wishes,
Antun


As people express their wants for multichannel dacs, HDMI, etc. etc...  might as well buy a decent AVR or a pre-pro for a lot less and also have video for free.   Most of the top shelf AVR's are providing 24/192 via their USB and most now are providing DSD256.  Building a DAC to replicated a product for a few in my opinion is rather costly for a manufacturer.  My OPPO handles multi-channel for a lot less, the ExaSound e28 handles multichannel at the same price point as the BDA-3 and sounds pretty darn good.  Sure these new AVR and Pre-pro's might not have the Bryston quality but unless one has deep pockets ( to add additional speakers and a muilt -chl amp) and great ears one might not be able to hear the difference for the cash required to achieve their goal.  I don't know, just an opinion and no coffee @8:30am.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 9 Nov 2014, 02:02 pm
I was looking at DSD downloads and noticed that there are multi-channel albums. So there must be a way to play them. :smoke:

Sung to "TNT"

I'm DSD I'm Dynamite
I'm DSD I'm going to win that fight
I'm DSD I'm a power load
I'm DSD watch me explode...  :lol:
Actually who cares about 2ch DSD if you have to ghetto it with usb.  If it doesn't come over rca or xlr ...meh
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 9 Nov 2014, 04:32 pm

As people express their wants for multichannel dacs, HDMI, etc. etc...  might as well buy a decent AVR or a pre-pro for a lot less and also have video for free.   Most of the top shelf AVR's are providing 24/192 via their USB and most now are providing DSD256.  I don't know, just an opinion and no coffee @8:30am.

I agree - my opinion is the same.  That's why several years back I went to a preamp with HT Bypass and while I prefer 2-channel most of the time, it is easy to do multi-channel when you want to.  I have outboard amps for the front 3 channels and the receiver is fine for the surrounds.  At one point in an old house, I had a 2-channel amp and a 3-channel amp.  Digital technology changes more rapidly than analog.  It's easy for me to take that receiver and rotate it to one of the secondary systems and then rotate what's in that secondary system to another and have upgrades in more than one system when I get a new receiver.

I think that Bryston has come out with a nice DAC offering that can even do 4xDSD, which, is just theory at this point.  Kudos to them to release something with that much capability in addition to the traditional Bryston reliability.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 25 Nov 2014, 05:02 pm
Having ordered the BDA-2/BDP-2 combo have just learned about the BDA-3 coming to the market in 2 months... Hence the question - why not post such announcement on your website (www.bryston.com)? I understand, that communication about the new products can disrupt sales of existing ones, but you can always offset it by offering something to the customer who decides to go with a product being phased out... I understand that BDA-2 will probably sound not worse... but can't get rid of the feeling that I've been cheated
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2014, 05:18 pm
Having ordered the BDA-2/BDP-2 combo have just learned about the BDA-3 coming to the market in 2 months... Hence the question - why not post such announcement on your website (www.bryston.com)? I understand, that communication about the new products can disrupt sales of existing ones, but you can always offset it by offering something to the customer who decides to go with a product being phased out... I understand that BDA-2 will probably sound not worse... but can't get rid of the feeling that I've been cheated

Hi

We usually do not post it on the website till the product is available but maybe we should rethink that.

The BDA2 is not being phased out though so not sure why you feel cheated?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 25 Nov 2014, 06:01 pm
Hi

We usually do not post it on the website till the product is available but maybe we should rethink that.

The BDA2 is not being phased out though so not sure why you feel cheated?

james

James, perhaps when a new product has been decided upon a 'coming soon' section can be put on the website.  Whether that's a DAC or CD player, the way digital changes, it lets potential customers know before they make another purchase.  There's nothing wrong with qualifying a picture with the word 'prototype' or indicating features listed are preliminary and subject to change or indicating the expected first demos are at a particular audio show.  When it comes to digital things I find myself trying to keep up with changes more so than with other products and trying to figure out what to pull the trigger on and what to wait on.  Right now for a secondary system that is primarily used for HT or daytime TV like football I'm on hold waiting to see DTS UHD announcements in receivers as I don't want to buy something and then feel like I pulled the trigger too soon.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 25 Nov 2014, 06:26 pm
James, perhaps when a new product has been decided upon a 'coming soon' section can be put on the website.  Whether that's a DAC or CD player, the way digital changes, it lets potential customers know before they make another purchase.  There's nothing wrong with qualifying a picture with the word 'prototype' or indicating features listed are preliminary and subject to change or indicating the expected first demos are at a particular audio show.  When it comes to digital things I find myself trying to keep up with changes more so than with other products and trying to figure out what to pull the trigger on and what to wait on.  Right now for a secondary system that is primarily used for HT or daytime TV like football I'm on hold waiting to see DTS UHD announcements in receivers as I don't want to buy something and then feel like I pulled the trigger too soon.

Pretty much agree with Phil.  James on your site, the main page you have on the far right "Latest News,  for instance:   Soon to be released the BDA-3 DAC supporting DSD,  projected release date 2015.  Details to follow
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 25 Nov 2014, 10:29 pm
Hi

We usually do not post it on the website till the product is available but maybe we should rethink that.

The BDA2 is not being phased out though so not sure why you feel cheated?

james
Hi, James
Exactly due to the reasons explained by Phill - digital products get changed/upgraded much more often as the hardware is developing fast. Hence most owners will opt to upgrade at certain point of time. The moment a new one hits the market, the re-sale price of the "old" one drops... If I new the new one is coming to the market I'd have waited and invested into a product that will drop in price rather later, than earlier.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Nov 2014, 10:46 pm
Yes but the BDA3 is not replacing the BDA2 - so not sure I understand?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 25 Nov 2014, 11:05 pm
Yes but the BDA3 is not replacing the BDA2 - so not sure I understand?

james

James, if someone is the market for a DAC and wants DSD as an example, then notice of the pending product release would make their decision easier.  If someone wanted DSD, they might buy something other than Bryston as well.  The long thread on the CD player is another example.  Someone might want a CD player (perhaps someone not a member or looking at Audio Circle) and go off and buy a CD player (assuming of course that Bryston will make another CD player).  Not everyone follows Audio Circle or even forums either closely or as a member.  As a former Admin on a HT site, I've gotten into the practice of following this stuff.  I am not sure what it hurts to have a little upcoming product news once the decision has been made by Bryston to make it and it has been announced all over.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 26 Nov 2014, 11:22 am
New products come all the time regardless.
You can choose to buy now, or wait forever.
Bda2 is a great dac, an no need to feel cheated.
I still have the Bda1, and that is also a great dac and very similar to my Bda2 in soundquality.
Some might even like the 1 better, itsis more dynamic and detailed, and like older Bryston design more in ya face.
If the new Bda3 has the same output amp, I bet the soundquality will be very similar to Bda2 if You use same file.
I want the new 3 myself to play DSD files from my Auralic Aries, if You dont play DSD you dont need it imho.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 26 Nov 2014, 02:37 pm
Yes but the BDA3 is not replacing the BDA2 - so not sure I understand?

james

James,
This is the kind of discussion I don't want to have. Your company does manufacture great products that many people enjoy. I will as well I hope. At the same time I'm sorry to hear that you "don't understand". Or pretend/choose not to understand? Other people do. Shall I remind you what happened to BDP-1 which was not supposed to be discontinued after the launch of BDP-2?

I'm afraid you're underestimating the impact of what a person of your position in the industry says/writes. I guess, if your answer were something like : " I understand your concern, sorry that the news were not well published, we'll take an effort next time..." or something else comforting rather than defensive... It would have been much better for your image and the image of your company. Thank you!
And happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Nov 2014, 05:15 pm
I see where James is coming from and why he said he didn't understand. Th BDA-2 isn't going anywhere and as stated in this or maybe another thread audibly will still be very similar to the BDA-3 if not equivalent. So if one has no need for DSD why would you want to spend another grand for something that isn't going to give you a step up audibly. Seems silly.

On the other hand for those in the market for a DAC with DSD capability they would have looked elsewhere because they would not have known a DSD capable DAC was forthcoming since there is no mention on the website and they may not have caught the news as posted on this and other on-line sites.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 26 Nov 2014, 05:26 pm
I see where James is coming from and why he said he didn't understand. Th BDA-2 isn't going anywhere and as stated in this or maybe another thread audibly will still be very similar to the BDA-3 if not equivalent. So if one has no need for DSD why would you want to spend another grand for something that isn't going to give you a step up audibly. Seems silly.

On the other hand for those in the market for a DAC with DSD capability they would have looked elsewhere because they would not have known a DSD capable DAC was forthcoming since there is no mention on the website and they may not have caught the news as posted on this and other on-line sites.

As I noted I don't see once that announcement is made, I don't why it can't be listed under the latest news.  mav52 posted an announcement of the BDA-3 a month ago that was listed on another site.  I do understand when something is under development at a certain point in that development why something would not be listed on a website.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2014, 05:59 pm
Hi

I will give it more thought but maybe some kind of 'trade up' program over some specified period of time makes some sense?

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 26 Nov 2014, 06:10 pm
Hi

I will give it more thought but maybe some kind of 'trade up' program over some specified period of time makes some sense?

james

James, I think that is great.  All I'm really trying to say that once a decision is made to release something, it really helps to communicate it (and over the years I've found many dealers who don't even know release is pending or has even occurred - they get behind and don't update their binders/price sheets).  Correct me if I'm wrong, was not the first place of the BDA-3 being shown at TAVES at the end of October?  At some point a decision was made that it was ready to show as a prototype.  All I was trying to say that perhaps in the latest news when that decision was made (September, beginning of October?) a little blurb that "Bryston will be showcasing their products at the upcoming TAVES to be held on xx-xx-xxxx at the 'name of location.' Bryston will be exhibiting and in addition to the current product line a new BDA-3 DAC.  The BDA-2 will remain in the Bryston product line.  The BDA-3 adds DSD capability.  Price and exact release date of the BDA-3 are not know at this time but it is anticipated more information will be available in early 2015."
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 26 Nov 2014, 08:44 pm
Quote
  Hi

    I will give it more thought but maybe some kind of 'trade up' program over some specified period of time makes some sense?

    james


James, I think that is great.  All I'm really trying to say that once a decision is made to release something, it really helps to communicate it (and over the years I've found many dealers who don't even know release is pending or has even occurred - they get behind and don't update their binders/price sheets).  Correct me if I'm wrong, was not the first place of the BDA-3 being shown at TAVES at the end of October?  At some point a decision was made that it was ready to show as a prototype.  All I was trying to say that perhaps in the latest news when that decision was made (September, beginning of October?) a little blurb that "Bryston will be showcasing their products at the upcoming TAVES to be held on xx-xx-xxxx at the 'name of location.' Bryston will be exhibiting and in addition to the current product line a new BDA-3 DAC.  The BDA-2 will remain in the Bryston product line.  The BDA-3 adds DSD capability.  Price and exact release date of the BDA-3 are not know at this time but it is anticipated more information will be available in early 2015."

Come on James.   You can do two things here.

Sure offer an upgrade problems for those with a BDA-2  but you also need to at least mention the arrival of a new product. 

I agree with Phil above,   I saw the BDA-3 on another website, which is not the way it should have been introduced.  That should occur from a Bryston news release.  You have the tools of your website,  use the power of that site to show possible product upgrades and new introductions.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2014, 08:50 pm
Come on James.   You can do two things here.

Sure offer an upgrade problems for those with a BDA-2  but you also need to at least mention the arrival of a new product. 

I agree with Phil above,   I saw the BDA-3 on another website, which is not the way it should have been introduced.  That should occur from a Bryston news release.  You have the tools of your website,  use the power of that site to show possible product upgrades and new introductions.

Gee's things seem to be getting a little hostile here!

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 26 Nov 2014, 09:56 pm
Gee's things seem to be getting a little hostile here!

james

James not hostile at all just good business sense.  If your company would let potential customers know about new products that could mean new sells.  If you think that my comments are hostile then my order for one of these units in 2015 is not going to happen.  Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2014, 10:46 pm
James not hostile at all just good business sense.  If your company would let potential customers know about new products that could mean new sells.  If you think that my comments are hostile then my order for one of these units in 2015 is not going to happen.  Thanks

Well you do what you think best. As for me I am bowing out of this thread.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 26 Nov 2014, 10:48 pm
Well you do what you think best. As for me I am lying out of this thread.

James

No, James. Not this time.... Did you hear about "United throws guitars..." If you don't want that kind of publicity you should change your tone here in this thread.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Nov 2014, 02:28 am
In my opinion some of you guys are seriously over reacting here. Nothing happened with respect to the BDA-3 announcement that does not happen with other manufacturers and their future products. As a rule the Bryston website is no more or no less accurate then the vast majority of other websites with respect to product announcements, or lack thereof and is so often the case new products are first mentioned in A/V sites anyways. There is also always going to be instances where you buy a product today and literally tomorrow a new product is announced, tough s&^* that's how it goes. Sometimes we get what we might want to call burned but that's how it goes. I fail to see how that is the fault of the manufacturer. I think that's more of a thing for you and your dealer in that he offers a trade in or % refund if you want to return your newly purchased product within a few days or perhaps a couple weeks of purchase and you wait for the new one to come out. Also whose to say said product will meet expected shipping dates, something might come up to delay it, weeks, months, a year. I've seen it happen. I waited what seemed an eternity (over a year) for the Anthem D1 to come to market after it was first announced so long in fact I gave up on waiting and went another route back in 2004.

Also I personally see no need for a trade up program for such a relatively inexpensive product especially when the current product will not disappear. Those types of things in my mind are typically reserved for much more expensive products like say SSP's or Transparent Audio cables :)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 27 Nov 2014, 02:53 am
In my opinion some of you guys are seriously over reacting here. Nothing happened with respect to the BDA-3 announcement that does not happen with other manufacturers and their future products. As a rule the Bryston website is no more or no less accurate then the vast majority of other websites with respect to product announcements, or lack thereof and is so often the case new products are first mentioned in A/V sites anyways. There is also always going to be instances where you buy a product today and literally tomorrow a new product is announced, tough s&^* that's how it goes. Sometimes we get what we might want to call burned but that's how it goes. I fail to see how that is the fault of the manufacturer. I think that's more of a thing for you and your dealer in that he offers a trade in or % refund if you want to return your newly purchased product within a few days or perhaps a couple weeks of purchase and you wait for the new one to come out. Also whose to say said product will meet expected shipping dates, something might come up to delay it, weeks, months, a year. I've seen it happen. I waited what seemed an eternity (over a year) for the Anthem D1 to come to market after it was first announced so long in fact I gave up on waiting and went another route back in 2004.

Also I personally see no need for a trade up program for such a relatively inexpensive product especially when the current product will not disappear. Those types of things in my mind are typically reserved for much more expensive products like say SSP's or Transparent Audio cables :)

It has nothing to do with the web site by now... It's the reaction of a person that happens to hold a marketing position with our beloved manufacturer and allows himself to react to purposefully polite and peaceful comments by the customers in the way that is not and should not be tolerated.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 27 Nov 2014, 07:45 am
I think it makes sense that Bryston's website should have information about Bryston products (or up-and-coming products) that is as accurate or more accurate than other publications.

I also understand the feeling of wanting to have the latest and greatest. Unfortunately, there's NO way to solve that problem. If someone buys a BDA-2 and then one day later Bryston's website says they hope to release a BDA-3 in 3-6 months, you're still subject to that feeling of missing out on the latest & greatest. I don't see how Bryston (or any other company) can possibly fix that. The closest option is a trade-up program.

Regardless, none of these things diminish or tarnish Bryston's long standing great reputation for quality products and excellent customer service, and they don't degrade or devalue the Bryston products anyone currently owns.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 27 Nov 2014, 12:25 pm
As a BDA-2 owner who bought my unit with the early hopes of DSD capability down the road, only to find that would not happen, I had started researching other DACs until the BDA-3 "announcement" came out. But since I bought my unit over 1 year ago, I certainly don't feel cheated. That's technology and progress. I personally feel an "upgrade/trade-in" option is a fair approach, and hope Bryston pursues this path.

The angry tones in this discussion are unfortunate, but probably not surprising. James et al have deservedly enjoyed a cozy relationship in this forum, with mutual benefit. When a manufacturer's marketing perspective runs counter to that coziness, pretty much any position can fuel the conflict. I hope we don't toss out the good will that's been nurtured in this dialog.

And hey, what if the BDA-3 doesn't sound as sweet as the BDA-2? What will we do then :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: sputnikcdn on 27 Nov 2014, 03:09 pm
James not hostile at all just good business sense.  If your company would let potential customers know about new products that could mean new sells.  If you think that my comments are hostile then my order for one of these units in 2015 is not going to happen.  Thanks

Your tone of writing could easily be taken for hostility. Remember that written words can come across far more harshly than spoken.

And, really, you're so defensive that you let a comment your writing guide your audio purchases?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 27 Nov 2014, 03:21 pm
Hi fellas!

The BDA-3 is significantly more expensive than the BDA-2 so if the person complaining here wanted to spend more than the BDA-2 costs, why didn't he/she buy something else from a different manufacturer in the first place? Was he/she looking for DSD compatibility or not?

It is up to each and every individual to read more than the first three lines of text before deciding on what to purchase. It is fine not to but thigs will get more expensive if you do not and it will happen sooner than you realise.

Choosing equipment is a lengthy process but an utterly rewarding one. As far as I can see, Bryston's equipment that dates to early years of the company is still enjoyed and loved and guess what, I bet the original owners read more than the first three lines of the brochure they accidentelly picked up at the dealer.
So I find myself in complete agreement with James here.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 27 Nov 2014, 03:53 pm

I also understand the feeling of wanting to have the latest and greatest. Unfortunately, there's NO way to solve that problem. If someone buys a BDA-2 and then one day later Bryston's website says they hope to release a BDA-3 in 3-6 months, you're still subject to that feeling of missing out on the latest & greatest. I don't see how Bryston (or any other company) can possibly fix that. The closest option is a trade-up program.



- Garrett

I agree.  That's going to happen.  There's no way to fix it 100% of the time, especially with digital (or video) which changes rapidly.  I was just trying to say that when a new product is announced as upcoming it probably is good practice to have it on your own website.  I do understand when something is under development a company may not want to disclose certain things.  When someone is looking for a new product of a certain type and a certain feature and they have relied upon a company's site to make their decision, offense should not be taken for suggestions (not dictating as I understand someone else who capital at stake should make their own decisions) for help minimize those things going forward. 

I don't know the circumstances on the purchase (what was discussed with the dealer) or where or when it took place but certainly in many US States there are State Consumer Protection authorities that can address the issue.  If I bought something from a dealer and felt like I got not up-to-date information (which was put out on websites and it can be presumed that a dealer representing ta particular company should know more than the public, I would ask the dealer to do something or pursue complaints.  That's the difference between dealing with a company that uses a dealer network vs. one that sells direct to consumers.  The relationship is between the buyer and seller and when they are not the same, I think it is more appropriate to take it up with the seller.  That's just my opinion.  A seller in a local community that has to deal with local customers (and their friends, family) is probably going to be more receptive has he has to face the customers.  I agree that tone can be easily misinterpreted easily in a medium like this.  To make a long story short, many moons ago I had trouble getting a benefit at a company for a few months.  A guy who came to work for me got it set up in couple of weeks.  I made a nice inquiry (which got forwarded to the human resources person) into why there was a problem and got a written response "to the person who asks, I resent it."  She should have put "re-sent."  I did not appreciate being resented  :lol: and sent an e-mail all the way up the chain to the VP of human resources.  It was a good laugh for years afterwards.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 27 Nov 2014, 09:03 pm
What Bryston does not understand is that I am the boss, and unless they do as I want, I will buy something else .....or cry  :lol:

Today most of the new products hit the Internet before they are officially announced.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 27 Nov 2014, 10:48 pm
Your tone of writing could easily be taken for hostility. Remember that written words can come across far more harshly than spoken.

And, really, you're so defensive that you let a comment your writing guide your audio purchases?

No where in my comments was anything hostile.  James chose the word.  And it's my choice if I want to purchase a product or not.  I mentioned right after I actually brought the announcement of the BDA-3 to AC in a Bryston post that I was going to purchase the new product, but James decides that my comments about adding new products to their website is hostile then I have a right to not purchase his product based on his comments.   That is his lost and his business.  After all I'm a customer.

Anyway carry on I'm sure the BDA-3 product will be fantastic and I wish him nothing but success.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mnorman on 28 Nov 2014, 02:54 pm
I've been in the shadows  for quite awhile on this site(great info) and would like to throw in my 2 cents. With the trend in DACs being DSD for some time now I held off on purchasing a BDA-2 as I did not want to feel that I missed out. With the help of this board it was obvious a DSD ability has hit a snag with the BDA-2 and the market has spoken regarding the demand of DSD capable DACs.
Now that I've waited I'd like this thread to get back on track and discuss the particulars off the new DAC and not Bryston's marketing decisions :D
Does the new DAC have the ability to up sample any signal to DSD? Are there significant differences between the BDA-2 and 3 (other than HDMI and DSD)on how it sounds?
I love the ability to have a upgrade path for my  SACD collection. Having said that I'm surprised at the major increase in price and wonder if it is worth it as the vast majority of music is PCM.
Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 28 Nov 2014, 05:08 pm
I've been in the shadows  for quite awhile on this site(great info) and would like to throw in my 2 cents. With the trend in DACs being DSD for some time now I held off on purchasing a BDA-2 as I did not want to feel that I missed out. With the help of this board it was obvious a DSD ability has hit a snag with the BDA-2 and the market has spoken regarding the demand of DSD capable DACs.
Now that I've waited I'd like this thread to get back on track and discuss the particulars off the new DAC and not Bryston's marketing decisions :D
Does the new DAC have the ability to up sample any signal to DSD? Are there significant differences between the BDA-2 and 3 (other than HDMI and DSD)on how it sounds?
I love the ability to have a upgrade path for my  SACD collection. Having said that I'm surprised at the major increase in price and wonder if it is worth it as the vast majority of music is PCM.
Cheers

Welcome to the forum (from the shadows 8)

See post number 687 by James:

"Hi Antun

1. Yes the input section determines the type of signal coming in (DSD or PCM) and routes it to the appropriate circuitry inside the BDA3

2. I do not think you would find PCM sounding much different through the BDA2 or the BDA3. Most of the listening tests seem to support the premise (and has from the beginning of our DAC developments) that most quality DACs are within a hair of each other when it comes to technical performance on paper.  Where the larger issues are is in power supply integrity and type (analog vs switching), discrete analog fully balanced amplification circuit topology (not IC's), electrical noise etc. So the differences when it comes to these design features in the BDA2 and BDA3 are essentially the same.

3. Yes the BDP-1 will allow for DSD playback with the MM software and a USB 2 DAC.

Hope this helps.

james"
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 28 Nov 2014, 05:09 pm
I've been in the shadows  for quite awhile on this site(great info) and would like to throw in my 2 cents. With the trend in DACs being DSD for some time now I held off on purchasing a BDA-2 as I did not want to feel that I missed out. With the help of this board it was obvious a DSD ability has hit a snag with the BDA-2 and the market has spoken regarding the demand of DSD capable DACs.
Now that I've waited I'd like this thread to get back on track and discuss the particulars off the new DAC and not Bryston's marketing decisions :D
Does the new DAC have the ability to up sample any signal to DSD? Are there significant differences between the BDA-2 and 3 (other than HDMI and DSD)on how it sounds?
I love the ability to have a upgrade path for my  SACD collection. Having said that I'm surprised at the major increase in price and wonder if it is worth it as the vast majority of music is PCM.
Cheers

So I understand James' response if it is PCM - it gets decoded as PCM, if DSD, it gets decoded as DSD
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2014, 05:26 pm
So I understand James' response if it is PCM - it gets decoded as PCM, if DSD, it gets decoded as DSD

Hi Phil,

Yes correct - that is my goal.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mnorman on 28 Nov 2014, 07:02 pm
Thanks for the clarification and the welcome as I misunderstood part 1 of post 687.  The BDA 1 and 2 were supposed to sound the same too hence the other part of my question seems relevant. As I don't plan to download too many DSD files my interest is in a)PCM improvement b)SACD playback and c) ability to selectively up sample as the ability to up sample or not is a huge plus and still is with bryston DACS. The ability to upsample to DSD would have been neat to play with. Not a deal breaker though :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 28 Nov 2014, 07:12 pm
Thanks for the clarification and the welcome as I misunderstood part 1 of post 687.  The BDA 1 and 2 were supposed to sound the same too hence the other part of my question seems relevant. As I don't plan to download too many DSD files my interest is in a)PCM improvement b)SACD playback and c) ability to selectively up sample as the ability to up sample or not is a huge plus and still is with bryston DACS. The ability to upsample to DSD would have been neat to play with. Not a deal breaker though :D

If you use a player like JRiver, it does allow an upsample of DSD.  I never played with it much.  Having DSD playback over a DAC is nice (I have 2) since as a consumer I have no power or choice who releases what on a particular format (and in a perfect world it would be nice if there were one format).  I downloaded a couple of 24/192 Simon & Garfunkel albums from HDTracks the other day, have signed up for and downloaded the free tracks from Just Listen (https://www.nativedsd.com/) and some are in DSD, double DSD, DXD, etc., so you can compare (I have not as yet) and will probably buy a bunch of SHM SACDs from CDJapan soon and then burn and extract those.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 30 Nov 2014, 08:38 pm
Wow,
you guys have spent the Thanksgiving weekend here :D

Let me clarify something. What caused the upheaval is not the lack of announcement :nono:, but rather reaction of an official representative of the company :duh:, that demonstrated "I don't really care approach" towards his customers. All he seemingly cares  about is publishing nice reviews about the products, not your feelings or concerns of his customers :scratch:.

Grit - the problem is, it's not 3-6 months... It's just 2 months and the brochure is already printed and even MSRP is announced, still no press release or news section update...  :roll:

Tympani - I waited for 6 months to be able to audition the BDA/BDP in my set up. Yes, indeed I liked it that's why I ordered it... BUT, I could have waited for another 2 months easily...

R. Daneel - I don't find the BDA-3 "significantly more expensive". Given the depreciation of DIGITAL products its not a big deal.

Digital products unlike TT or amps see constant and rapid development of both hardware and software that make them obsolete much much quicker. And it has nothing to do with the desire to have "the latest" per se, the quality of the sound usually improves a lot driven by that change. And of course, audio affection will drive the desire to upgrade, not the desire for a new thing. Thus, buying a digital product in 2014 cannot be for a lifetime like a turntable, for example. As for me, unlike mav52 I can't go back and refuse the purchase already, but I perfectly understand his feelings.  I'm waiting for the delivery this coming week and hope to be able to enjoy the product despite James' attitude and comments here. As for the future if Bryston manages to come up with new great products and is not ruined by that "I don't really care" approach, I'll certainly be happy for the company.

PS. A really qualified marketing manager should have avoided this kind of conversation in his own manufacturer's thread by posting a simple "sorry message"...
PS2. Why your guitar teacher, plumber, mover etc. says "Thank you, I really appreciate your business", but here you get "do as you think best for you"? :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: Given the ticket size, should be the other way around :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 30 Nov 2014, 10:45 pm
Wow,
you guys have spent the Thanksgiving weekend here :D

Let me clarify something. What caused the upheaval is not the lack of announcement :nono:, but rather reaction of an official representative of the company :duh:, that demonstrated "I don't really care approach" towards his customers. All he seemingly cares  about is publishing nice reviews about the products, not your feelings or concerns of his customers :scratch:.

Grit - the problem is, it's not 3-6 months... It's just 2 months and the brochure is already printed and even MSRP is announced, still no press release or news section update...  :roll:

Tympani - I waited for 6 months to be able to audition the BDA/BDP in my set up. Yes, indeed I liked it that's why I ordered it... BUT, I could have waited for another 2 months easily...

R. Daneel - I don't find the BDA-3 "significantly more expensive". Given the depreciation of DIGITAL products its not a big deal.

Digital products unlike TT or amps see constant and rapid development of both hardware and software that make them obsolete much much quicker. And it has nothing to do with the desire to have "the latest" per se, the quality of the sound usually improves a lot driven by that change. And of course, audio affection will drive the desire to upgrade, not the desire for a new thing. Thus, buying a digital product in 2014 cannot be for a lifetime like a turntable, for example. As for me, unlike mav52 I can't go back and refuse the purchase already, but I perfectly understand his feelings.  I'm waiting for the delivery this coming week and hope to be able to enjoy the product despite James' attitude and comments here. As for the future if Bryston manages to come up with new great products and is not ruined by that "I don't really care" approach, I'll certainly be happy for the company.

PS. A really qualified marketing manager should have avoided this kind of conversation in his own manufacturer's thread by posting a simple "sorry message"...
PS2. Why your guitar teacher, plumber, mover etc. says "Thank you, I really appreciate your business", but here you get "do as you think best for you"? :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: Given the ticket size, should be the other way around :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess we all interpret things differently. I see it as you blowing things way out of proportion to the point of acting like a spoiled child not getting what he wants.

Also a product isn't released until it's released. Even as you state all those items have happened, brochure, MSRP announcement, etc. but that's not to say something unexpected comes up which causes a compete delay of production. I've seen it happen before to the point a product was outright cancelled just months before it was expected to be on the street.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 30 Nov 2014, 10:47 pm
I guess we all interpret things differently. I see it as you blowing things way out of proportion to the point of acting like a spoiled child not getting what he wants.

Also a product isn't released until it's released. Even as you state all those items have happened, brochure, MSRP announcement, etc. but that's not to say something unexpected comes up which causes a compete delay of production. I've seen it happen before to the point a product was outright cancelled just months before it was expected to be on the street.

we are..
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 1 Dec 2014, 09:47 am
For me, I suppose the difference is that I'm familiar with James, both from posts and some PM's. I've interacted with a few other members of Bryston's staff, who've helped me resolve some problems or assisted me with something I was trying to accomplish. From my experience and point of view, James and Bryston have been some, if not the, best in this business or any other.

That prior interaction lead me to view James' statement in a different manner than you did. While I can understand your point of view, my experience makes me believe/feel that James and Bryston absolutely do care about their customers.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 1 Dec 2014, 12:42 pm
Well you do what you think best. As for me I am lying out of this thread.

James

Your lying , what the heck does that mean, so everything you have written is not true  :scratch: 
Just attempting to understand what you wrote

noun
1.
the telling of lies, or false statements; untruthfulness:

adjective
2.
telling or containing lies; deliberately untruthful; deceitful; false:
a lying report.
Synonyms: deceptive, misleading, mendacious, fallacious; sham, counterfeit.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2014, 01:04 pm
Your lying , what the heck does that mean, so everything you have written is not true  :scratch: 
Just attempting to understand what you wrote

noun
1.
the telling of lies, or false statements; untruthfulness:

adjective
2.
telling or containing lies; deliberately untruthful; deceitful; false:
a lying report.
Synonyms: deceptive, misleading, mendacious, fallacious; sham, counterfeit.

Hi mav

Sorry that was said incorrectly  - I meant I was bowing out of the discussion as I felt all I could say was said.

We are rethinking what we put on the website but up until now only products that are currently available for sale are listed on the website.  The Forum I see as much less formal and a place to discuss ideas and concepts and of course help our customers.


As for the BDA3 here is how I handled it so far:

We showed a prototype of the BDA-3 in October at the Toronto Audio Show and sent out an announcement at that time to all our dealers/distributors and anyone on our Bryston News list. 

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129860.0

Send me an email and I can send you the preliminary cut sheet.  - jamestanner@bryston.com.

I also added it to the BDA-2 DAC thread on the LOCKED area of the forum at the same time. Essentially the BDA 3 adds DSD to the mix as well as HDMI.  We are still a few months away from release.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 1 Dec 2014, 01:25 pm
Hi mav

Sorry that was said incorrectly  - I meant I was bowing out of the discussion as I felt all I could say was said.

We are rethinking what we put on the website but up until now only products that are currently available for sale are listed on the website.  The Forum I see as much less formal and a place to discuss ideas and concepts and of course help our customers.


As for the BDA3 here is how I handled it so far:

We showed a prototype of the BDA-3 in October at the Toronto Audio Show and sent out an announcement at that time to all our dealers/distributors and anyone on our Bryston News list. 

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129860.0

Send me an email and I can send you the preliminary cut sheet.  - jamestanner@bryston.com.

I also added it to the BDA-2 DAC thread on the LOCKED area of the forum at the same time. Essentially the BDA 3 adds DSD to the mix as well as HDMI.  We are still a few months away from release.

james

Thank you James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 2 Dec 2014, 05:14 pm
R. Daneel - I don't find the BDA-3 "significantly more expensive". Given the depreciation of DIGITAL products its not a big deal.

BDA-3 is 30% more expensive than the BDA-2. That is significant.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 2 Dec 2014, 05:21 pm
BDA-3 is 30% more expensive than the BDA-2. That is significant.

1) I have it at 20% (compared to the list price), but since the purchase is not a single BDA, but rather BDA/BDP combo, the difference becomes less significant (~10%). And by the way, in absolute terms we're speaking about some $600... Not significant for me in this particular case/choice. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Dec 2014, 05:30 pm
BDA-3 is 30% more expensive than the BDA-2. That is significant.

Much depends on whether you want to re-sell things at some point since digital technology changes much more rapidly.  Since the BDA-3 does more formats and also has HDMI (which may give it a broader ranger of appeal to someone a bit more into HT with a player such as an Oppo who wants to do better audio), that price difference is probably going to be even more tilted towards being in favor of the BDA-3 (one can already see that in pricing of used ones of the BDA-1 vs. BDA-2 as those sold by individuals vs. dealers show significantly better selling price to original retail as one would expect the way digital changes rapidly - of course it won't probably mean much to someone who will keep a BDA-2 for 10 years).  In other words, someone who bought a BDA-2 at the initial offering vs. a BDA-1 right before the BDA-2 was announced would get more than the price difference back at the present time on the resale market.  Also, what is significant to some may not be significant to all.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ebogda01 on 2 Dec 2014, 05:42 pm
BDA-2 at the initial offering vs. a BDA-1 right before the BDA-2 was announced would get more than the price difference back at the present time on the resale market.  Also, what is significant to some may not be significant to all.

Exactly!!!
PS. Suggest we close the discussion of who was right/wrong as it creates no value, and no party seems to be interested in changing the opinion.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Dec 2014, 05:54 pm
Exactly!!!
PS. Suggest we close the discussion of who was right/wrong as it creates no value, and no party seems to be interesting in changing the opinion.

I think that is a great idea.  We all have our favorites (as far as brands, features, etc.), preferences and opinions.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Some people keep cars more than ten years and others much shorter and obviously there are different ways to view values.  It does not serve any purpose (in terms of an audio discussion about a new product) to discuss who values what or who deems what as significant or not significant. So it is much better to talk about the product itself.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 2 Dec 2014, 06:42 pm
Great!. Getting back to the merits of the BDA-3. James, what features are accessible by remote? Can any functions be controlled via Ethernet connection or remote box?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 2 Dec 2014, 06:52 pm
Hi fellas!

Resale value of Bryston equipment almost seems like a contradiction of terms. Bryston equipment in Europe is loved for it's longevity and reliability, not just for it's sound so resale value is the last thing on our minds. If the NDA-2 is 3000 Euro and BDA-3 4000 Euro, then it is fair to say the difference is significant. Because that is exactly 5 times the salary of a teacher in some EU countries.

Bryston is not a cost-no-object brand, even though it might as well be considering it's performance, so pricing is worth talking about and Bryston talks about it too. Their equipment is often favourably compared to something more expensive so clearly, it is relevant.

Let's not be petulant chilldren here - we can all consider ourselvels lucky to be able to afford it when many cannot.

To quote a friend who leads a successful company "To all the buyers who wield their money like a child who just found his daddy's guy - someone ought to take your money before you hurt yourself with it". That, as well as anything I have heard, applies to the "buy more to get the cost down" logic that someone suggested here.

Cheers!
Antun

Edit: As for the remote, I would like to know that too!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2014, 07:44 pm
Great!. Getting back to the merits of the BDA-3. James, what features are accessible by remote? Can any functions be controlled via Ethernet connection or remote box?

Hi

I would say we hope to use the BR2 remote but it is way too early to say - the software for the BDA3 is really complicated and may take longer than we originally thought.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 22 Dec 2014, 05:18 am
Hi

I will give it more thought but maybe some kind of 'trade up' program over some specified period of time makes some sense?

james

James: I know you don't "owe me" a trade in program, but I would definitely have waited for the BDA-3 instead of getting the "2" recently. Keeping my fingers crossed for good news!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bjski on 24 Dec 2014, 03:32 am
James,
Ordered my BDA-3 tonight along with a Bot. I'll move my BDA-2 to the system that has BDP-1. I'll pair the BDA-3 with the BDP-2. Looking forward to comparing the BDA-2 vs BDA-3. I'm liking the new MM software keep up the good work!
Cheers,
BJ Hammell 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Dec 2014, 03:34 am
James,
Ordered my BDA-3 tonight along with a Bot. I'll move my BDA-2 to the system that has BDP-1. I'll pair the BDA-3 with the BDP-2. Looking forward to comparing the BDA-2 vs BDA-3. I'm liking the new MM software keep up the good work!
Cheers,
BJ Hammell

Hi

OK thanks but please be aware we are a ways off on introducing the BDA-3.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bjski on 24 Dec 2014, 04:48 pm
Hi

OK thanks but please be aware we are a ways off on introducing the BDA-3.

james

It's all good. I'm going skiing for 3 months so when I return production might be up & running.
Happy Holidays to everyone at bryston and on Audiocircle.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: dgarratt on 10 Jan 2015, 02:24 am
Hi James,

Are you able to share your opinion on the PCM performance between the BDA-2 and BDA-3?

I'm thinking of upgrading from and BDA-1 to a BDA-2 but i'll hold off if there are sonic improvements to PCM performance in the BDA-3.

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2015, 03:59 am
Hi James,

Are you able to share your opinion on the PCM performance between the BDA-2 and BDA-3?

I'm thinking of upgrading from and BDA-1 to a BDA-2 but i'll hold off if there are sonic improvements to PCM performance in the BDA-3.

Thanks in advance.

HI

So far in blind tests no difference.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 10 Jan 2015, 04:21 am
HI

So far in blind tests no difference.

james

James, your integrity and honesty are very commendable!

I still enjoy my BDA-1 daily and am looking at the BDA-3.

Andre
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: dgarratt on 13 Jan 2015, 10:33 pm
Hi James,

If I was to purchase DSD music in the future, what happens if I was to try and play that music on my BDP connected to a BDA-1 or BDA-2 via AES? Can/will the BDP convert it to PCM prior to outputting it to the BDA? If not is this something that could be implemented in software for those of us who didn't want to jump on the BDA-3 right away?

cheers-
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Samurai7595 on 14 Jan 2015, 12:06 pm
Hi James,

If I was to purchase DSD music in the future, what happens if I was to try and play that music on my BDP connected to a BDA-1 or BDA-2 via AES? Can/will the BDP convert it to PCM prior to outputting it to the BDA? If not is this something that could be implemented in software for those of us who didn't want to jump on the BDA-3 right away?

cheers-

+1  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2015, 12:44 pm
Hi James,

If I was to purchase DSD music in the future, what happens if I was to try and play that music on my BDP connected to a BDA-1 or BDA-2 via AES? Can/will the BDP convert it to PCM prior to outputting it to the BDA? If not is this something that could be implemented in software for those of us who didn't want to jump on the BDA-3 right away?

cheers-

Hi

No the chip set needed to decode DSD correctly is not in the BDA-1 or 2 - it is a hardware issue not a software issue.  There is no way to make the software convert on the AES.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Jan 2015, 02:39 pm
Hi James,

If I was to purchase DSD music in the future, what happens if I was to try and play that music on my BDP connected to a BDA-1 or BDA-2 via AES? Can/will the BDP convert it to PCM prior to outputting it to the BDA? If not is this something that could be implemented in software for those of us who didn't want to jump on the BDA-3 right away?

cheers-

I'm not sure what the software on the BDP can do but as James noted it can't be sent out as DSD and decoded by the BDA-1 or BDA-2.  With JRiver as a software platform, for example, one can tell it to playback stuff above 192kHz at 176.4kHz or 88.2kHz.  I have used it that way on the computer (vs. my music server) when I was transmitting the output to a receiver that could not do DSD.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Jan 2015, 02:51 pm
Hi James,

If I was to purchase DSD music in the future, what happens if I was to try and play that music on my BDP connected to a BDA-1 or BDA-2 via AES? Can/will the BDP convert it to PCM prior to outputting it to the BDA? If not is this something that could be implemented in software for those of us who didn't want to jump on the BDA-3 right away?

cheers-

Per this (see page 15) - http://www.audioadvisor.com/pdf/Manic%20Moose%20Manual-S2.04_2014_06_08.pdf

Manic Moose cannot.

Not sure if Mpad (not used it) or one of the other interfaces allows one to playback DSD files at some other resolution.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 14 Jan 2015, 03:03 pm
Hi James,

If I was to purchase DSD music in the future, what happens if I was to try and play that music on my BDP connected to a BDA-1 or BDA-2 via AES? Can/will the BDP convert it to PCM prior to outputting it to the BDA? If not is this something that could be implemented in software for those of us who didn't want to jump on the BDA-3 right away?

cheers-

Per this, it looks like it is possible (at least to me) - http://www.ap-linux.com/documentation/playing-audio-in-ap-linux-with-mpd/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: dgarratt on 14 Jan 2015, 09:55 pm
Hi James,

I understand the BDA-1 & BDA-2 can't decode DSD. What I wanted to know is if it's possible to add a feature to the BDP which could be turned on or off where it outputs DSD music as PCM on the fly in software. I know there are more than a few software packages available on linux, mac and windows that can do this.

Hope my question is clear enough..might be a better question for Chris.

cheers-
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 15 Jan 2015, 02:54 am
Hi James,

I understand the BDA-1 & BDA-2 can't decode DSD. What I wanted to know is if it's possible to add a feature to the BDP which could be turned on or off where it outputs DSD music as PCM on the fly in software. I know there are more than a few software packages available on linux, mac and windows that can do this.

Hope my question is clear enough..might be a better question for Chris.

cheers-

Why don't you simply create 176.4 files from the DSD files your self and have the BDP send those to the DAC.? There are numerous free DSD to PCM convertors.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: dgarratt on 15 Jan 2015, 05:13 am
Why don't you simply create 176.4 files from the DSD files your self and have the BDP send those to the DAC.? There are numerous free DSD to PCM convertors.

Yes, that would be one approach. However I feel this would probably be a relatively easy feature to add the the BDP to save the hassle of converting files manually.

Would you suggest converting all DSD files to 176.4 irrespective of the DSD sample rate?

cheers-
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 15 Jan 2015, 05:22 am
Yes, that would be one approach. However I feel this would probably be a relatively easy feature to add the the BDP to save the hassle of converting files manually.

Would you suggest converting all DSD files to 176.4 irrespective of the DSD sample rate?

cheers-

Yes...it is an even integer of any DSD file.it is not too much of a hassle since you would only have to do it once.

If I may make another suggestion...I love the BDA-1 and still use it so bought an iFi Micro,iDSD for $499 for DSD. Just send your pcm to the BDA via aes/EBU and your DSD to the iIf via USB.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 15 Jan 2015, 03:55 pm
Here is one conversion product - http://samplerateconverter.com/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: tatcom on 26 Jan 2015, 09:06 pm
James, sorry but I need to ask this: are you planning for a future release of the BDA3 with a built in digital or analog pre section? I for sure would very much love to have the shortest possible signal path to the power amps. Am I the only one wishing for this feature, or would anyone back me up on this?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 26 Jan 2015, 09:25 pm
James, sorry but I need to ask this: are you planning for a future release of the BDA3 with a built in digital or analog pre section? I for sure would very much love to have the shortest possible signal path to the power amps. Am I the only one wishing for this feature, or would anyone back me up on this?

I believe James has answered this.  The tentative features of the BDA-3 a few pages back (press release) show no built in preamp.  James has indicated in another thread about a separate digital preamp in the works - http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110570.60
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 26 Jan 2015, 09:28 pm
James, sorry but I need to ask this: are you planning for a future release of the BDA3 with a built in digital or analog pre section? I for sure would very much love to have the shortest possible signal path to the power amps. Am I the only one wishing for this feature, or would anyone back me up on this?

Post 648 and a bit prior show the press release info on the BDA-3 FYI
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: tatcom on 26 Jan 2015, 10:10 pm
Post 648 and a bit prior show the press release info on the BDA-3 FYI

Yepp, I read the press release and am aware of the preliminary feature set, that's why I was referring to it as a future release ...but revision might have been better put.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 29 Jan 2015, 05:02 pm
Yepp, I read the press release and am aware of the preliminary feature set, that's why I was referring to it as a future release ...but revision might have been better put.

That sounds like a whole new product to me, but certainly one that would be very interesting!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 12 Feb 2015, 01:43 pm
James any new news on a possible release date for the BDA-3 ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2015, 03:51 pm
James any new news on a possible release date for the BDA-3 ?

Hi

still a couple of months off.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 12 Feb 2015, 04:35 pm
Hi

still a couple of months off.

james

thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: milpai on 17 Feb 2015, 05:28 pm
Hello James,

I am looking to hearing this DAC at the AXPONA 2015.
My plan was to hookup an Oppo 105D and use the HDMI for interfacing the DSD data played though the SACD.

I have been told on another forum that HDMI is not good for audio. Can you please let me know if this is true? I support SACDs and at the same time I do want the ability to download DSD files and play them via DAC.

Thanks!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Feb 2015, 06:20 pm
Hello James,

I am looking to hearing this DAC at the AXPONA 2015.
My plan was to hookup an Oppo 105D and use the HDMI for interfacing the DSD data played though the SACD.

I have been told on another forum that HDMI is not good for audio. Can you please let me know if this is true? I support SACDs and at the same time I do want the ability to download DSD files and play them via DAC.

Thanks!

There is some concern that HDMI has a much higher jitter rate than SPDIF or USB due to the way audio is extracted from the HDMI bit stream.

Can you give me the link to the article please.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 17 Feb 2015, 07:34 pm
Hello James,

I am looking to hearing this DAC at the AXPONA 2015.
My plan was to hookup an Oppo 105D and use the HDMI for interfacing the DSD data played though the SACD.

I have been told on another forum that HDMI is not good for audio. Can you please let me know if this is true? I support SACDs and at the same time I do want the ability to download DSD files and play them via DAC.

Thanks!

Is this the discussion that initiated the feedback on HDMI?  It notes that some DACs have I2S for sending data.
http://forums.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl&1380662218
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: milpai on 18 Feb 2015, 01:44 pm
James/Phil.

Here is the thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/752962/who-is-thinking-of-buying-the-schiit-yggdrasil/60

I went through the article in the link, but it is not very clear if the new HDMI standards have improved the jitter issues.

Thanks,
Milind
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 18 Feb 2015, 02:53 pm
James/Phil.

Here is the thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/752962/who-is-thinking-of-buying-the-schiit-yggdrasil/60

I went through the article in the link, but it is not very clear if the new HDMI standards have improved the jitter issues.

Thanks,
Milind

Thanks.  I'm not sure that the new standards have done a thing.  Here's a link to the differences in HMDI versions:
http://www.audioholics.com/hdtv-formats/understanding-difference-hdmi-versions

Before I had a player capable of doing DSD and a DSD DAC, I used an HDMI audio-de-embedder (in two separate systems) to convert DSD to 88.2 in an Oppo.  They are supposed to be bit perfect.  I still have them and I may hook them back for the rare occasion I have someone over who wants to play an SACD that I don't have the DSD file for.  I actually preferred going into my DAC (and originally used it with a BDA-1) via that route vs. the analog outs of a modded Oppo.

There's nothing perfect in audio.  I wish it were standard for DACs to do DoP via something other than USB as well.  Personally, I don't think with something like a Bryston it's going to make a ton of difference but other than coverting it to PCM in the Oppo you won't be able to A/B the DSD streams via different inputs.  I wouldn't lose sleep over it.  I'm sure the BDA-3 will be great sounding.  The other choice is a DAC with I2S but them you need a player to send files to it.  So just get what bests works and enjoy.  The BDA-3 with its inputs and sampling frequencies is about as forward thinking at this point in time as one will get.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bruinsfan72 on 20 Feb 2015, 10:27 pm
Hi James.  I realize most the talk here now is about the BDA-3, but I was wondering what the current Canadian list price is of the BDA-2.  Also is there much of a backlog now, or is production caught up.  Thanks for any info.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Feb 2015, 11:03 pm
Hi James.  I realize most the talk here now is about the BDA-3, but I was wondering what the current Canadian list price is of the BDA-2.  Also is there much of a backlog now, or is production caught up.  Thanks for any info.

Hi

$2395 list on the BDA2 and be about 10 days from order.  BDP-2 and BDP-1 USB we are very back ordered on.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bruinsfan72 on 20 Feb 2015, 11:07 pm
Thanks James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Feb 2015, 11:07 pm
Hi

$2395 list on the BDA2 and be about 10 days from order.  BDP-2 and BDP-1 USB we are very back ordered on.

james

Typically how long is the wait on the back orders, specifically the BDP-2? Has it been like this for a while? I'm thinking I might be able to put in for one in April.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Feb 2015, 11:46 pm
Typically how long is the wait on the back orders, specifically the BDP-2? Has it been like this for a while? I'm thinking I might be able to put in for one in April.

Hi

I would say 4 weeks from order give the backlog.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 24 Feb 2015, 12:46 am
Hi

I would say 4 weeks from order give the backlog.

james

Thanks, not as bad as I envisioned, I was thinking perhaps months.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bruinsfan72 on 25 Feb 2015, 03:25 am
Hi guys.  Is the Bda-2 able to handle 24/192 files over the optical input.  This would need to be my input of choice until I purchase a Bdp-2 as my current streamer only has a optical out for digital. 

Thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Feb 2015, 08:22 am
Hi guys.  Is the Bda-2 able to handle 24/192 files over the optical input.  This would need to be my input of choice until I purchase a Bdp-2 as my current streamer only has a optical out for digital. 

Thanks

Hi

Yes the Optical can do 192/24

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Feb 2015, 01:03 pm
Just make sure your SSP, pre-amp, etc. can accept 24/192 over optical as well because it may not. Also there is the reality that your SSP, pre-amp, etc. may not operate at that resolution internally, for example it may only run at 96/24 or even lower depending on how old it is.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Feb 2015, 01:05 pm
Oops, never mind, you were talking about the BDA thus the output is analog so the SSP, pre-amp, etc. becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 25 Feb 2015, 04:16 pm
The BDA-2 can do 24/192 on all inputs. This was one of the advantages for me when I was deciding which DAC to get. Most of other DACs could do only 24/96 or lower. Bryston locks onto the signal immediately and quality of cable or source plays no difference so I can only assume it's input receiver is highly effective. These are the things you cannot read in a manual or in a review but you certainly begin to appreciate them every day. I am not surprised the BDA series is popular among both audiophiles and professionals.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: martydmnt on 9 Mar 2015, 07:18 pm
James, has any more consideration been given to updating the internal DAC card to handle 24/192? It's obviously can't have the flexibility of DSD without the USB or HDMI inputs, but would allow the highest resolution PCM files to be played. I think there was an old topic where the answer was somewhere between no and maybe, but I can't find it.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2015, 10:13 pm
James, has any more consideration been given to updating the internal DAC card to handle 24/192? It's obviously can't have the flexibility of DSD without the USB or HDMI inputs, but would allow the highest resolution PCM files to be played. I think there was an old topic where the answer was somewhere between no and maybe, but I can't find it.

Sorry - which internal DA are you referring to?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 10 Mar 2015, 06:27 am
Perhaps he meant the D/A card that can be installed in Bryston preamps.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: martydmnt on 10 Mar 2015, 03:01 pm
Sorry - which internal DA are you referring to?

I should have been more specific - the internal DAC card for the B135.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Mar 2015, 03:33 pm
I should have been more specific - the internal DAC card for the B135.

Hi

Yes that is something we should look at soon

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 10 Mar 2015, 06:30 pm

...192/24 and usb input would be great. not an easy task as i believe it would mean a complete redesign :roll:

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: martydmnt on 12 Mar 2015, 06:17 pm

Yes that is something we should look at soon


Thanks for the reply, James, that's good to hear! I've been there with separates (though not the BDA-x), but no longer have the available space or desire to collect a number of different boxes if there is alternative solution.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 16 Mar 2015, 02:44 pm
James just wondering will the BDA-3 accept DSD over HDMI
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2015, 02:53 pm
James just wondering will the BDA-3 accept DSD over HDMI

Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 16 Mar 2015, 06:44 pm
Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

Am I missing something?  SACD via HDMI was enabled starting with HDMI version 1.2.  Don't know/understand how the DAC would differentiate between DSD and SACD.  I've used my Oppo players in secondary systems with receivers that have DSD decoding - http://www.oppodigital.com.au/blogs/reviews-resources/13531361-oppo-players-and-the-fabled-dsd-format

"If your A/V receiver or audio processor supports native DSD, your OPPO player can send DSD signal over HDMI to the A/V receiver or audio processor. You should connect the HDMI 2 port of the player to your A/V receiver or audio processor since the HDMI 1 port does not transmit DSD signal. The following settings in the player's setup menu should be used:

Playback Setup - SACD Priority: set to Multi-Channel or Stereo based on your preference
Audio Format Setup - SACD Output: set to DSD or Auto (Auto is available for firmware version BDP10XAU-67-1120B or later)
The OPPO player will automatically convert DSD into PCM if it determines that a connected device does not support DSD. Usually your A/V receiver or audio processor will have an indication on its front panel showing whether the device is getting DSD signal."

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 16 Mar 2015, 06:52 pm
Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

Apparently there are only some older receivers that allow this per this thread - http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/direct-stream-digital-hdmi-18895/
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 16 Mar 2015, 07:11 pm
I should note that besides what is listed on the Computer Audiophile, I have an old Marantz 6003 receiver in one secondary system and I have not looked at the settings closely but do have an Oppo 103D that has files on a hard drive attached to it, including DSD, both 2-channel and multi-channel.  I have played and passed DSD files via HDMI (I did the same briefly in the Onkyo 1008 in the main system) with no issues.  It however has not been a big focus for me since I don't do multi-channel all that often so I took the drive out of the main system 103D where I have a music server anyway (and it is easy enough to pull out a disc for multi-channel).  Both that secondary system and my main system are integrated HT systems which preamps with HT Bypass.  In the secondary system when I play DSD most of the time is it with the Oppo connected via analog outs so that I play to a preamp and to an amp.  The Oppo interface (I also have the App on an old iPhone 5 so I don't need to turn on the TV to select files to play) is very basic and not like a music server or BDP player and I'd think that many would want a player to play via USB anyway.

I have an old BDP-93 in the bedroom system (and when Oppo has their next generation out, one of the 103Ds will go to the bedroom) which feeds outdoor speakers and for something like that the Oppo Media Interface App is fine.  Being used to a music server the Oppo just lists the album folders and it is not as convenient.  I have the house wired so I can hook up an old PC Monitor/Analog TV screen outside and it will display the album artwork.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 16 Mar 2015, 08:26 pm
Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

I think its legal.  My Denon 4311 handles DSD over HDMI from my OPPO105.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 16 Mar 2015, 08:32 pm
There's actually an extensive list of players that can transmit DSD over HDMI - http://www.avsforum.com/forum/153-cd-players-dedicated-music-transports/1155206-dsd-over-hdmi-players.html
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Mar 2015, 12:22 pm
It might be legal in some countries, in others it is not.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2015, 02:00 pm
Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only.  I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed?  That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback  of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong. :scratch:

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 17 Mar 2015, 03:18 pm
Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only.  I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed?  That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback  of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong. :scratch:

james

James - believe JRiver 19 and above allow 128 - http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82074.0  as does Foobar -   http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directstream-all-about-it/how-to-play-double-rate-dsd/

I have music servers in 2 systems with JRiver and I have it on my do it list (perhaps even later today) to check it on my secondary system (just got the music server as I was using an old laptop with Teac's HR Audio Player)  where I have a Teac DAC (my main system DAC can just do 64) which can do double DSD (and DXD).  I have some samples from https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/  and a DXD file or so as well.  I use an iPad Mini with the JRemote App for the main system and JRiver's free Gizmo App with the Android Tablet in the secondary system.  I just download and used Gizmo when I got the music server a couple of weeks back and had a few hours with it and don't think I like it as much as JRemote.  I got an email from JRiver that JRemote was going to be available for Android before the end of last week so I will look for it.

JRiver's Tools/Options allows one to upsample or not.  For files above 192kHz you can set the playback preference.  For example, if one does not have a DSD capable DAC, one can set it 88.2kHz or 176.4kHz.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 17 Mar 2015, 03:20 pm
Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only.  I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed?  That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback  of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong. :scratch:

james

Apparently Oppo's new player/DAC can do Double DSD too - http://www.oppodigital.com.au/products/oppo-bdp-105d-darbee-dsd-edition-blu-ray-player
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 17 Mar 2015, 07:14 pm
Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only.  I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed?  That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback  of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong. :scratch:

james

James, FYI, just played on my secondary system (via JRiver) a couple of the double DSD files and one DXD file I got from - https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/

They have a compilation sampler and a free track that changes every week give or take.  Great for testing what is best for your DAC.  All one has to do is sign up for the newsletter.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Norton on 18 Mar 2015, 08:52 pm
SACD and DSD are being confused here. There's no reason why a player, be it an Oppo, a PC running JRiver or indeed a BDP can't output a DSD download file to a DAC or processor,including over HDMI if that interface is provided.

However, if a DSD stream from a SACD is output over HDMI or any other available interface, my understanding is that some form of copy protection has to be shared between the player and the DAC.  I presume the BDA3 offers this, as I am one of those awaiting the BDA3 as a the first SACD capable DAC to use with an Oppo as transport.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 22 Mar 2015, 12:11 pm
James,

were you able to do more comparisons between the BDA-2 and BDA-3 in thers of audio quality with PCM material? How do you feel about that?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Mar 2015, 01:17 pm
James,

were you able to do more comparisons between the BDA-2 and BDA-3 in thers of audio quality with PCM material? How do you feel about that?

Cheers!
Antun

So far the PCM is 50/50 BDA3 vs BDA2

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 22 Mar 2015, 02:08 pm
So far the PCM is 50/50 BDA3 vs BDA2

james

Thank you!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 23 Mar 2015, 05:49 am
So far the PCM is 50/50 BDA3 vs BDA2

james

Any expectation that'll change (that the BDA3 will sound better than the BDA2)?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Mar 2015, 10:10 am
Any expectation that'll change (that the BDA3 will sound better than the BDA2)?

Hi Grit

In blind testing it is a really close call with PCM.  The reason for the BDA3 is to allow DSD and HDMI playback to the mix.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 23 Mar 2015, 12:01 pm
Just making sure I don't need to upgrade my BDA-2.  :lol:

What happens when you send a 5.1 (or any multi-channel) signal via HDMI to the BDA-3? I assume it either uses just the L/R  channels, or it just can't lock onto the signal?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Mar 2015, 12:40 pm
Just making sure I don't need to upgrade my BDA-2.  :lol:

What happens when you send a 5.1 (or any multi-channel) signal via HDMI to the BDA-3? I assume it either uses just the L/R  channels, or it just can't lock onto the signal?

Have not tried that yet.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Mar 2015, 04:05 pm
Would you ever consider making a muti-channel DAC?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Mar 2015, 04:26 pm
Would you ever consider making a muti-channel DAC?

Hi

Maybe some time in the future but nothing on the horizon at this point.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: tatcom on 25 Mar 2015, 09:22 am
Would you ever consider making a muti-channel DAC?

it's called the SP3 :D
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Mar 2015, 11:08 am
That would of course work however I was thinking for those who have a SSP or receiver that doesn't have the ability to accept DSD having a multi-channel DAC would be a way around that. But that would of course mean updating the BDP's to output multichannel PCM and DSD in order to feed the multi-channel into a new BDA then from there into the multi-channel inputs of the receiver/SSP.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 6 Apr 2015, 10:21 pm
Anyone else refreshing the Bryston home page waiting for the BDA-3 official announcement? I know I am!

Come on James!!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 6 Apr 2015, 11:55 pm
Anyone else refreshing the Bryston home page waiting for the BDA-3 official announcement? I know I am!

Come on James!!

Patience - I'm sure they are testing it (as indicated in James' posts).  Products with cutting edge technology need a bit more time.  I'm sure it's not far off.  Yes I have checked the website a couple of times of the past month.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: bjski on 7 Apr 2015, 01:50 am
Anyone else refreshing the Bryston home page waiting for the BDA-3 official announcement? I know I am!

Come on James!!

I have a deposit on a BDA-3 along with a Bot.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 7 Apr 2015, 02:58 am
Patience - I'm sure they are testing it (as indicated in James' posts).  Products with cutting edge technology need a bit more time.  I'm sure it's not far off.  Yes I have checked the website a couple of times of the past month.

Yes, I am encouged by the amount of testing they are doing to make sure they get it right. I love my BDA-2 and don't want them to rush anything either!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Apr 2015, 10:24 am
Yes, I am encouged by the amount of testing they are doing to make sure they get it right. I love my BDA-2 and don't want them to rush anything either!

Hi Folks

Yes we used it at the recent Montreal audio show and it worked great for 4 days running.  Just working on the DSD side currently and I am hoping we will be in production in about 60 days.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: gdbalp on 8 Apr 2015, 03:04 am
Hey James,

Sounds like another Bryston winner for 2015.... :thumb:

And wondering if the new USB Type - C connector will be used for the BDA-3 and future product developments?  This new connector meets 3.1 USB specifications ( 10gb/s + power) and there is no worries on orientation with male and female connection points...

Ciao, Luigi
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Apr 2015, 09:40 am
Hey James,

Sounds like another Bryston winner for 2015.... :thumb:

And wondering if the new USB Type - C connector will be used for the BDA-3 and future product developments?  This new connector meets 3.1 USB specifications ( 10gb/s + power) and there is no worries on orientation with male and female connection points...

Ciao, Luigi

Hi Luigi

We have not looked at it yet but speed is not really required with the BDP 2 as USB 2 is 10 times faster than required for high resolution audio files.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 19 Apr 2015, 04:17 am
I have a deposit on a BDA-3 along with a Bot.
Put my deposit in tonight.  It's not like saving accounts are paying any interest these days, so I might as well "loan it" to my dealer to make sure I get one of the first units.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 19 Apr 2015, 06:56 am
After doing some reading, it appears the BDA-3 will be controllable via ethernet? That'd be a nice change. My SP3 and BDP-2 are ethernet controllable, as are my Tivo and Oppo. If the BDA-3 is also, I could move to an entirely ethernet controllable system and get rid of the IR sensors!

I wonder why Bryston doesn't usually put the 3.5mm IR jacks on the back of most units. The SP3 has one, but the BDA-2 and BDP-2 don't.

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 29 Apr 2015, 09:52 am
Hi James!

Out of curiosity - have you tried to make comparisons between high-res PCM and DSD using the same music on the BDA-3?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Apr 2015, 10:59 am
Hi James!

Out of curiosity - have you tried to make comparisons between high-res PCM and DSD using the same music on the BDA-3?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Yes

And it supports my conclusion that the file format does not determine a quality recording.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 29 Apr 2015, 11:40 am
Hi Yes

And it supports my conclusion that the file format does not determine a quality recording.

james

Hi James!

So it sounds the same in your opinion? Or the difference is so small that it is a matter of taste or personal preference?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Apr 2015, 12:09 pm
Hi James!

So it sounds the same in your opinion? Or the difference is so small that it is a matter of taste or personal preference?

Cheers!
Antun

i just do not find that because it is DSD or PCM it necessarily guarantees a quality sound.  Its just a different delivery system for digital files.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 29 Apr 2015, 12:24 pm
There's a ton of skill in the mastering and mixing of an album.  I have many DSD files.  Just because it is DSD does not make it good.  The same can be said of hi-rez PCM.  Don't get me wrong, I buy as much hi-rez as I can and only get CD quality of things I like where there is no other alternative (I have about 36,000 songs on the music server).  They can't make a miracle from a poorly recorded album just by format.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 30 Apr 2015, 06:54 am
i just do not find that because it is DSD or PCM it necessarily guarantees a quality sound.  Its just a different delivery system for digital files.

james

Hi James!

That's a good answer!

It is interesting what you can read and wby DSD is superior to PCM. Some even go as far as to say the designers of the first CD machines made a mistake when they chose PCM which is not really true. While DSD is almost as old as PCM, DSD system requires a lot more physical space on an optical disc than CD, which at the time, was meant as a 14-bit format. It wasn't until Sony joined Philips that they suggested a 16-bit system with a 74-minute runtime which enlarged the diameter of the disc from 100mm to 120mm. So, the designers didn't really do any mistakes back then, they did the best they could.

What is somewhat bothersome is the nature of how DSD was introduced to the world. Sony is now advertising DSD like the next best thing and yet, it was them who prevented the format from succeeding in the first place. It was a disc that could have been played only on a dedicated SACD machine and apart from the analogue recording, you could not copy the content of the disc.

Like a friend likes to say - Antun, if your system sounds fantastic now, surely it will sound fantastic in 10 or 20 years. If you buy a new Audi now, it will be an Audi in 10 years and still far better than any modern Chevrolet no matter how many stickers they put on it.

But let me ask you, in terms of the processing demands, what is more difficult for BDP tp play back - PCM (24/192) or DSD?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2015, 10:19 am
Hi James!

That's a good answer!

It is interesting what you can read and wby DSD is superior to PCM. Some even go as far as to say the designers of the first CD machines made a mistake when they chose PCM which is not really true. While DSD is almost as old as PCM, DSD system requires a lot more physical space on an optical disc than CD, which at the time, was meant as a 14-bit format. It wasn't until Sony joined Philips that they suggested a 16-bit system with a 74-minute runtime which enlarged the diameter of the disc from 100mm to 120mm. So, the designers didn't really do any mistakes back then, they did the best they could.

What is somewhat bothersome is the nature of how DSD was introduced to the world. Sony is now advertising DSD like the next best thing and yet, it was them who prevented the format from succeeding in the first place. It was a disc that could have been played only on a dedicated SACD machine and apart from the analogue recording, you could not copy the content of the disc.

Like a friend likes to say - Antun, if your system sounds fantastic now, surely it will sound fantastic in 10 or 20 years. If you buy a new Audi now, it will be an Audi in 10 years and still far better than any modern Chevrolet no matter how many stickers they put on it.

But let me ask you, in terms of the processing demands, what is more difficult for BDP tp play back - PCM (24/192) or DSD?

Cheers!
Antun

HI Antun

I will let Chris answer more fully but as I understand it the BDP circuit board is a very powerful computer so playing high resolution files either DSD or PCM is a simple task.  Also the operating system (Linux) is dedicated to this task alone.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 30 Apr 2015, 01:16 pm
HI Antun

I will let Chris answer more fully but as I understand it the BDP circuit board is a very powerful computer so playing high resolution files either DSD or PCM is a simple task.  Also the operating system (Linux) is dedicated to this task alone.

james

Hi James!

Thank you! I'd be grateful if Chris could answer this one but please remember, we are talking about a BDP-1, not the BDP-2 which is more powerful.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 30 Apr 2015, 06:43 pm
Hi James!

Thank you! I'd be grateful if Chris could answer this one but please remember, we are talking about a BDP-1, not the BDP-2 which is more powerful.

Cheers!
Antun

True, but that shouldn't change how many processor cycles it takes to decode PCM or DSD.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 30 Apr 2015, 06:58 pm
The reviewer here - http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bda-2-digital-to-analog-converter/  has a BDP-1.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 30 Apr 2015, 08:43 pm
Who's getting the first BDA3?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 1 May 2015, 03:42 am
Who's getting the first BDA3?

Might be the reviewer who reviewed the BDA-2.  I know him and exchanged emails last week.  He just sold his BDA-2 and I'm sure he's got a BDA-3 either on order already or will have one shortly.  Looking forward to his evaluations.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 8 May 2015, 12:59 am
Might be the reviewer who reviewed the BDA-2.  I know him and exchanged emails last week.  He just sold his BDA-2 and I'm sure he's got a BDA-3 either on order already or will have one shortly.  Looking forward to his evaluations.

Well I know I'm in the top 20.  Waiting patiently for James "the Perfectionist" Tanner to give it a green light for production!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: a1p1 on 17 May 2015, 04:28 pm
James,
Can you provide additional info about the HDMI inputs on the the BDA-3?  Will it accept i2s/LVDS via the HDMI input?  Thoughts on this vs. USB?
Best,
AP
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 17 May 2015, 04:49 pm
Well I know I'm in the top 20.  Waiting patiently for James "the Perfectionist" Tanner to give it a green light for production!

It's always better to wait a bit longer and get it right.  Many years back I had an expensive DVD transport, and while they got it right just before the end of the product's life cycle (and the end of the company probably due in part to the problems of it not working properly), it was not a pleasant experience.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 May 2015, 05:37 pm
James,
Can you provide additional info about the HDMI inputs on the the BDA-3?  Will it accept i2s/LVDS via the HDMI input?  Thoughts on this vs. USB?
Best,
AP

Hi AP

Not sure I understand?  The HDMI board will OUTPUT i2s. 

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: a1p1 on 17 May 2015, 06:08 pm
Hi AP

Not sure I understand?  The HDMI board will OUTPUT i2s. 

james

James,
My understanding is that LVDS is a means to sending the i2s signal from a transport to a DAC via a HDMI cable? Such as what PS Audio and the Sonore Signature Series Rendu are doing.  In what way are the HDMI inputs on the DAC-3 to be used?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: lycia on 13 Jun 2015, 11:28 pm
Hi Folks

Yes we used it at the recent Montreal audio show and it worked great for 4 days running.  Just working on the DSD side currently and I am hoping we will be in production in about 60 days.

james



Any further news on the release of the BDA-3?

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jun 2015, 01:57 am


Any further news on the release of the BDA-3?

Hi

Still be worked on - DSD

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: lycia on 14 Jun 2015, 11:55 am
Hi

Still be worked on - DSD

james



Thank you, James.



Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Jun 2015, 02:00 pm
What outputs are you all using on your BDA's, balanced or unbalanced and do you find any quality difference between the two?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 26 Jun 2015, 02:21 pm
What outputs are you all using on your BDA's, balanced or unbalanced and do you find any quality difference between the two?

Hi Rod!

I use balanced cables. The improvement was audible in dynamic range. However, I would not say this is due to the cables, but rather due to the fact the amplifier might be better suite to the higher voltage of balanced connection.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: brystoned on 3 Jul 2015, 09:22 pm
James

What are wait times for ordering ?

BDA-2
BDP-2
BOT-1

Ed
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jul 2015, 09:51 pm
James

What are wait times for ordering ?

BDA-2
BDP-2
BOT-1

Ed

Hi

BDA and BDP about 10 days from order.  Bot 1 we are backordered so I would say 2 weeks.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: brystoned on 6 Jul 2015, 09:56 pm
thanks james


ed
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2015, 05:12 pm
Hi Folks,

Have the prototype of the BDA-3 at home for a workout this weekend.  We are getting closer !

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124496)

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Mag on 12 Jul 2015, 05:55 pm
Oooh those are sexy looking innards, but I prefer a brunette. :P
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 12 Jul 2015, 08:21 pm
Forget the DAC, I'll take the pool!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 14 Jul 2015, 04:03 pm
Looking good James.
When can I order one  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 15 Jul 2015, 04:41 am
Hi Folks,

Have the prototype of the BDA-3 at home for a workout this weekend.  We are getting closer !

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124496)

james

Nice! And thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to one in November (BDP present to me).

- Garrett

PS - wait, what? Pools in Canada?? I thought it was year around ice blocking!  : :wink:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2015, 12:19 pm
PS - wait, what? Pools in Canada?? I thought it was year around ice blocking!  : :wink:
[/quote]

Hi Grit

Yes we only get to use the pool 3 days out of the year when the ice flows move back to the end of our street but it serves as a hockey rink the rest of the time.  :lol:

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 16 Jul 2015, 04:02 pm
So the question is, will we get our BDA-3's before James' pool freezes over?  :)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 18 Jul 2015, 03:31 am
Definitely before it thaws again. :)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Xinon on 20 Jul 2015, 10:27 am
Any news about the releasen date for Bda3?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2015, 10:31 am
Any news about the releasen date for Bda3?

Hi

Still working on it but getting much closer.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2015, 05:20 pm
Hi Folks,

Got the HDMI input on the BDA-3 Prototype DAC playing SACD (without PCM conversion) from our OPPO player. :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125056)


james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2015, 05:31 pm
Hi Folks,

Got the HDMI input on the BDA-3 Prototype DAC playing SACD (without PCM conversion) from our OPPO player. :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125056)


james

Hi James ,
That's very nice! Does the bda3 de-embed audio from bluray video also?
It would need a hdmi out (pass through ) for that too of course
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2015, 05:34 pm
Hi James ,
That's very nice! Does the bda3 de-embed audio from bluray video also?
It would need a hdmi out (pass through ) for that too of course
Marius

Hi Marius

Just tried it and YES it works.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2015, 06:56 pm
o thats just marvelous ! :thumb: :thumb:

so you confirm the BDA3 has a hdmi out/Passthrough for that?
Getting it higher on my wishlist by the second... If possible please post a pic of the latest version of the rear?

Marius

Hi Marius

Just tried it and YES it works.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2015, 07:16 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125063)
                                          ^
The one SPDIF out is gone.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: ttsto on 22 Jul 2015, 08:16 pm
Do you think it worth to have 4 HDMI inputs?
I can think of several hi-fi devices with SPDIF or AES output but not to 4 different devices to be decoded via HDMI...
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2015, 08:31 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125063)
                                          ^
The one SPDIF out is gone.

james

Thanks James .

Spdif out is gone, replaced by an extra non hdmi in hopefully?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: BrystonFan on 22 Jul 2015, 08:47 pm
Hi Marius

Just tried it and YES it works.

james


Very nice!
Phil A has been running this setup for years!
Now we will have our own Bryston version!
 :thumb:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2015, 09:04 pm
Do you think it worth to have 4 HDMI inputs?
I can think of several hi-fi devices with SPDIF or AES output but not to 4 different devices to be decoded via HDMI...

There are only 2 modules available - 1 or 4 and we decided on 4.  Plus more and more devices are offering HDMI out ONLY - like my new Bell cable box :duh:

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 23 Jul 2015, 01:30 am

Very nice!
Phil A has been running this setup for years!
Now we will have our own Bryston version!
 :thumb:

It's much more and better than a plain de-embedder (and when I used them I was crazy enough to put a power supply on it that was several times the price of the de-embedder).  Besides being a first rate DAC (without considering the de-embedder), you can pass DSD via an Oppo player (unless one somehow has a DAC that can handle DSD via the coax digital input) vs. having to convert it to PCM in the Oppo.  Pretty much as close to future proof a digital product of this nature can be (doing quad DSD).  Certainly will be relevant digitally for a long time.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2015, 03:28 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2/BDA2 Review.

July 2015

Hi Folks,

An excellent full 4 page review on the Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player and BDA-2 DAC combo from  UHF Magazine (issue 96 – Summer 2015) .

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125121)

Favourite quotes:

1.   The ‘good news’ is that the Bryston DAC translated the digital signals into music of the highest quality. 

The ‘bad news’ is that…there isn’t any bad news.

2.   The orchestral pieces had impact, a wide, deep soundstage and fine detail, and the kicker — Margie Gibson singing — was so human and nearby-sounding that it seemed to me that our reference DAC was outclassed.

Digital conversion has come a long way. I would say that Bryston has caught the wave of the future.

Email me  if you want the  PDF of complete review – jamestanner@bryston.com.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Jul 2015, 04:33 pm
It's much more and better than a plain de-embedder (and when I used them I was crazy enough to put a power supply on it that was several times the price of the de-embedder).  Besides being a first rate DAC (without considering the de-embedder), you can pass DSD via an Oppo player (unless one somehow has a DAC that can handle DSD via the coax digital input) vs. having to convert it to PCM in the Oppo.  Pretty much as close to future proof a digital product of this nature can be (doing quad DSD).  Certainly will be relevant digitally for a long time.

Wait, what? The BDA-3 will accept native DSD from a Blu-ray player for playback?

Does the BDA-3 handle the required HDCP handshake for high-res content output from BD players (i.e. the BDA-3 is an HDCP licensee)? Or, do you connect an HDMI out to a TV with pass-thru? Today, I use a KanexPro HDMI de-embedder, but I have to have a TV and AVR at the other end to get full-res output.

Wow, sounds like the BDA-3 is my next DAC.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 23 Jul 2015, 05:12 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125063)
                                          ^
The one SPDIF out is gone.

james


why is the spdif output gone, James?? would be nice to have this feature. makes it more compatible for recordings...

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 23 Jul 2015, 05:23 pm
Wait, what? The BDA-3 will accept native DSD from a Blu-ray player for playback?



Yes - see James' post number 913
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2015, 05:26 pm
Wait, what? The BDA-3 will accept native DSD from a Blu-ray player for playback?

Does the BDA-3 handle the required HDCP handshake for high-res content output from BD players (i.e. the BDA-3 is an HDCP licensee)? Or, do you connect an HDMI out to a TV with pass-thru? Today, I use a KanexPro HDMI de-embedder, but I have to have a TV and AVR at the other end to get full-res output.

Wow, sounds like the BDA-3 is my next DAC.

The BDA3 takes care of the HDCP handshaking, a TV on the HDMI output is recommended but not required.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Jul 2015, 05:29 pm
The BDA3 takes care of the HDCP handshaking, a TV on the HDMI output is recommended but not required.

james

So, I can also assume that the BDA-3 responds to EDID queries with the ability to handle high-res audio (i.e. above 48 kHz)?

Wow, Bryston was thinkin' ahead.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mrhyfy on 23 Jul 2015, 05:35 pm
James,, volume control built into the BDA-3??
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 23 Jul 2015, 05:37 pm
So, I can also assume that the BDA-3 responds to EDID queries with the ability to handle high-res audio (i.e. above 48 kHz)?

Wow, Bryston was thinkin' ahead.


... Bryston IS thinking ahead 8)

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2015, 06:15 pm
James,, volume control built into the BDA-3??

Hi

No volume control - it is not a preamp.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: lycia on 23 Jul 2015, 09:07 pm

why is the spdif output gone, James?? would be nice to have this feature. makes it more compatible for recordings...

al.



The absence of a SPDIF out is disappointing. It is a very useful adjunct.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 24 Jul 2015, 01:00 am
What's the chip being used? I forgot. I have been reading some really impressive feedback about the Esoteric Grandioso D1 mono DACs and they are using the AK4495S which I assume is state of the art.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 24 Jul 2015, 03:34 am
What's the chip being used? I forgot. I have been reading some really impressive feedback about the Esoteric Grandioso D1 mono DACs and they are using the AK4495S which I assume is state of the art.

Last known info is here - http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110297.720
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jul 2015, 11:29 am
What's the chip being used? I forgot. I have been reading some really impressive feedback about the Esoteric Grandioso D1 mono DACs and they are using the AK4495S which I assume is state of the art.

Hi Rod

We use the AK4490, the AK4495S is 'voiced' to sound a specific way whereas the AK4490 is dead linear.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 24 Jul 2015, 07:20 pm
Thanks guys

So is the AK4495S much more money than the AK4490? Obviously the end product Esoteric Grandioso D1's are astronomically more expensive than what the BDA-3 is going to be but I wonder how close the actual chips are in price and even specs, I suspect very close on both fronts.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: espilva on 24 Jul 2015, 09:24 pm
Sorry to divert (or try to) the conversation back to the BDA-2: are Windows 10 drivers available or has any compatibility testing performed with the Windows 8.1 drivers?

Thanks!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: audio.bill on 24 Jul 2015, 10:47 pm
Rod_S - As you are probably aware there are many DACs designed using identical DAC chips that sound completely different than each other. If it were only so easy as to choose the proper DAC chip, but the ultimate performance level is dependent on many other design factors. There are sonic factors influenced by power supply design, jitter reduction, digital filtering, and many other design choices. So even if the DAC chips used by Esoteric and Bryston were identical or very close in specs, it is unlikely that they will sound the same. Another similar example is Accuphase, which uses the ESS Sabre DACs in some of their recent designs. They however do not sound anything like the majority of other DACs on the market using the same or similar ESS DACs.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 24 Jul 2015, 11:28 pm
So is the AK4495S much more money than the AK4490?

It's slightly more, maybe $10 or so, which isn't terribly significant in the scheme of a > $2000 DAC.  Which is why when JT says they chose the AK4490 for the sound, I believe him!

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Jul 2015, 02:02 am
Rod_S - As you are probably aware there are many DACs designed using identical DAC chips that sound completely different than each other. If it were only so easy as to choose the proper DAC chip, but the ultimate performance level is dependent on many other design factors. There are sonic factors influenced by power supply design, jitter reduction, digital filtering, and many other design choices. So even if the DAC chips used by Esoteric and Bryston were identical or very close in specs, it is unlikely that they will sound the same. Another similar example is Accuphase, which uses the ESS Sabre DACs in some of their recent designs. They however do not sound anything like the majority of other DACs on the market using the same or similar ESS DACs.

Indeed, all very true. I was just curious about the hardware itself. When James says the AK4495S is voiced rather than linear I actually get concerned because to me voiced means rolling off frequencies, or boosting frequencies, etc. so the AK4490 was probably the better choice for maintaining sound accuracy. Not that one could ever tell an Esoteric D1 owner that considering they will shell out... well.... the MSRP for a pair of D1's is $44k MSRP  :green:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 25 Jul 2015, 02:03 am
It's slightly more, maybe $10 or so, which isn't terribly significant in the scheme of a > $2000 DAC.  Which is why when JT says they chose the AK4490 for the sound, I believe him!

Steve

Thanks, or put another way $10 is infinitesimal small when considering the $44k for a pair of Esoteric D1 mono DACs.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2015, 03:13 pm
Indeed, all very true. I was just curious about the hardware itself. When James says the AK4495S is voiced rather than linear I actually get concerned because to me voiced means rolling off frequencies, or boosting frequencies, etc. so the AK4490 was probably the better choice for maintaining sound accuracy. Not that one could ever tell an Esoteric D1 owner that considering they will shell out... well.... the MSRP for a pair of D1's is $44k MSRP  :green:

Yes we have both DACs and the  S version is voiced for the Japan market according to the manufacture. We are listening to both but so far prefer the 4490 given our requirements.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2015, 03:15 pm
Sorry to divert (or try to) the conversation back to the BDA-2: are Windows 10 drivers available or has any compatibility testing performed with the Windows 8.1 drivers?

Thanks!

Hi

We have not Looked at Windows 10 yet.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 2 Aug 2015, 12:08 am
Yes we have both DACs and the  S version is voiced for the Japan market according to the manufacture. We are listening to both but so far prefer the 4490 given our requirements.

James

I'm not familiar with the type of chips used in SSP's but would chips of this level be candidates for those platforms?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Norton on 2 Aug 2015, 07:10 am
Hi Folks,

Got the HDMI input on the BDA-3 Prototype DAC playing SACD (without PCM conversion) from our OPPO player. :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125056)


james

I'm absolutely amazed at this.  I had thought that the Oppo could only output SACD as PCM over HDMI, but I'm obviously wrong.   I take it this is a physical SACD playing and not a DSD file on thumb drive etc?

As a big SACD fan and OPPO owner the BDA3 has just gone to the top of my want list.  One thing that really surprises me though, bearing in mind that both HDMI and SACD have been around a while and there are lots of other DAC manufacturers competing with often spurious new features, is why hasn't thus been done  before?

I know that there are some high end dedicated SACD transport & DAC combos that use this approach , but I've never heard of a standalone DAC offering this before.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Norton on 2 Aug 2015, 08:07 am
It's much more and better than a plain de-embedder (and when I used them I was crazy enough to put a power supply on it that was several times the price of the de-embedder).  Besides being a first rate DAC (without considering the de-embedder), you can pass DSD via an Oppo player (unless one somehow has a DAC that can handle DSD via the coax digital input) vs. having to convert it to PCM in the Oppo.  Pretty much as close to future proof a digital product of this nature can be (doing quad DSD).  Certainly will be relevant digitally for a long time.

Phil

Can I ask what your "setup" referred to above is, and also what you meant in your reference to DSD over coaxial?  I have both an Oppo 105 player and a Hugo DAC that does accept DSD over SPdif, but as far as I'm aware there is no way to play SACD on the Oppo and output  DSD to the Hugo, unless you use a Oppo 103 modded with this:

http://www.jvbdigital.nl/jvb.asp?cur=2&level=sdi&page=title&title=924


Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 3 Aug 2015, 01:00 am
Phil

Can I ask what your "setup" referred to above is, and also what you meant in your reference to DSD over coaxial?  I have both an Oppo 105 player and a Hugo DAC that does accept DSD over SPdif, but as far as I'm aware there is no way to play SACD on the Oppo and output  DSD to the Hugo, unless you use a Oppo 103 modded with this:

http://www.jvbdigital.nl/jvb.asp?cur=2&level=sdi&page=title&title=924

Was talking about DSD via HDMI to the BDA-3 DAC (as being much better) vs. having to convert DSD to PCM in an Oppo for 24/88.2 over coax.  No longer use a de-embedder (for a very long time) but have one set-up in a secondary system in case during a Space Coast Audio Society get together someone wants to hear a disc that way.  I only use an Oppo 103D in the main system for video.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 3 Aug 2015, 12:59 pm
So given what the Oppo/BDA-3 combo can accomplish (legally), why can't the BOT-1 be modified to do the same? I see a slam dunk for Bryston if the BOT-1 could feed SACD DSD, for playback (and ripping?)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 3 Aug 2015, 01:37 pm
So given what the Oppo/BDA-3 combo can accomplish (legally), why can't the BOT-1 be modified to do the same? I see a slam dunk for Bryston if the BOT-1 could feed SACD DSD, for playback (and ripping?)

It may be the drive selected can't read SACDs or the software.  There are various reasons why a particular drive may be selected.  I know many wished for a universal player but Bryston indicated it was not in the cards (at least a bit ago).  There are not many things that can rip SACDs.  There's a whole thread in the discless area.  There are also legalities of about doing that.  Besides a hacked PS3 (of the proper model), there is info in that thread and here - http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/direct-stream-digital-recording-msb-media-transport-16864/

Not sure about all the legalities but from memory (could be wrong) the MSB combo was something like $8k.  The BOT does a lot at its price point.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 10 Aug 2015, 12:43 pm
HI James,

I'm trying to figure out the optimal connections in my future set with the BDA3 and TV set. The 4 hdmi ins on the BDA3 are audio only? Ie, do we need 2 hdmi outs on our sources to connect both audio and video (to the TVset obviously), or is the HDMI out on the BDA3 video also.

I ask because right now, I have not enough in/outputs to redirect all tv sources via the BDA1 to my system, and have them attached to the TV, connecting the TV through an optical connection to the BDA1 again. Has the advantage of lipsync without issues btw. (  Select Opt1 as audio source on the BDA1, and select video sources through the TV set.

In the new setup i would have the option to have all these HDMI sources (which are Audio And Video) directly into the BDA3, but then the HDMI out on the BDA3 would have to send video (of the selected HDMI) to the tv-set.

If not, we'd have to connect all video sources (Blurry, Apple tv, Humax tuner, whathaveyou more) both through separate audio and video out's, which not all of them have, and/or not all of them have in the same type (most have hdmi out for TV, rca for analogue audio, and spdif or optical for digital audio). Which of course wouldn't be much of an improvement....

Hope i make myself understandable.

Taking out the amount of RCA Spdif inputs on the BDA3 (compared to the BDA1) is rather a letdown in this regard, would it be an option to somehow put these back gain? The size has been increased, maybe there is spare room in the BDA3?

Cheers  :scratch:
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm
HI James,

I'm trying to figure out the optimal connections in my future set with the BDA3 and TV set. The 4 hdmi ins on the BDA3 are audio only? Ie, do we need 2 hdmi outs on our sources to connect both audio and video (to the TVset obviously), or is the HDMI out on the BDA3 video also.

I ask because right now, I have not enough in/outputs to redirect all tv sources via the BDA1 to my system, and have them attached to the TV, connecting the TV through an optical connection to the BDA1 again. Has the advantage of lipsync without issues btw. (  Select Opt1 as audio source on the BDA1, and select video sources through the TV set.

In the new setup i would have the option to have all these HDMI sources (which are Audio And Video) directly into the BDA3, but then the HDMI out on the BDA3 would have to send video (of the selected HDMI) to the tv-set.

Hope i make myself understandable.

If not, we'd have to connect all video sources (Blurry, Apple tv, Humax tuner, whathaveyou more) both through separate audio and video out's, which not all of them have, and/or not all of them have in the same type (most have hdmi out for TV, rca for analogue audio, and spdif or optical for digital audio). Which of course wouldn't be much of an improvement....

Taking out the amount of RCA Spdif inputs on the BDA3 is rather a letdown in this regard, would it be an option to somehow put these back gain? The size has been increased, maybe there is spare room in the BDA3?

Cheers  :scratch:
Marius

Hi Marius

I will ask Dan the engineer designing it as I use my BDA3 with only a few sources.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 10 Aug 2015, 12:48 pm
Thanks James, finger crossed...
As you always say the demo is everything. I'd like to add: so is connectivity ;-)

Marius

Hi Marius

I will ask Dan the engineer designing it as I use my BDA3 with only a few sources.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2015, 01:00 pm
Thanks James, finger crossed...
As you always say the demo is everything. I'd like to add: so is connectivity ;-)

Marius

From Dan

The BDA3 has 4K video pass-thru.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 10 Aug 2015, 01:38 pm
Thanks James,
To be even more specific: the BDA3 HDMI-out passes through any of the selected inputs? We can use 4 video sources, the BDA3 de-embeds digitaal audio into the audio system and passes through video of this selected source to the TVset?
To be future proof, make it pass-thru 4k Ultra HD (http://www.whathifi.com/news/ultra-hd-blu-ray-everything-you-need-to-know?utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=Enews%20Bulletins&utm_content=article_NEW22_read_more&utm_source=20150810)  please...

Cheers, Marius

 
From Dan

The BDA3 has 4K video pass-thru.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2015, 05:05 pm
Bryston BDA-2 DAC - USB vs Windows 10


Chris Rice is putting together a video to accompany this; once that’s done, we can update these instructions.

If the computer has recently been upgraded from a previous version of Windows to Windows 10, the Bryston USB driver will need to be removed before starting this process.

Windows 10 requires some extra steps to install the Bryston USB drivers. This is because it does not allow unsigned drivers to be installed. You can circumvent this by following the steps in this tutorial:
http://www.howtogeek.com/167723/how-to-disable-driver-signature-verification-on-64-bit-windows-8.1-so-that-you-can-install-unsigned-drivers/

Please note that these instructions also apply to Windows 8.1.

Once the computer is restarted in Disable Driver Signature Enforcement" mode, you can then run the setup program on the USB key, and you should run it as an administrator, especially if not logged in on an administrator account.  This is done by right-clicking on the setup.exe file on the USB key, and selecting "Run as Administrator" in the menu.
 
It's also a good idea to make sure that the latest version of the driver is being used  The latest version can be downloaded here:
 
http://support.bryston.com:88/files/firmware/bda2/Bryston%20USB%20Drivers%201.61.zip
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: espilva on 14 Aug 2015, 09:55 am
BDA-2 up and running on a Windows 10 system via USB!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2015, 10:43 am
BDA-2 up and running on a Windows 10 system via USB!

How do you like Windows 10?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: espilva on 14 Aug 2015, 02:23 pm
Just a few hours with it, I kind of miss the Windows 8.1 start screen and its tiles but I guess I'm going to be pretty alone in that camp.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 17 Aug 2015, 07:45 pm
Any news on the BDA-3?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Aug 2015, 08:29 pm
Any news on the BDA-3?

Still working on it but getting closer - hope to have production in late September.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 17 Aug 2015, 08:46 pm
HI James,

Could you please elaborate on the earlier question on amount of RCA/BNC/SPDIF inputs on the BDA3? They are sorely missed on my part (compared to the BDA1) , can they somehow be added to the BDA as an option, or preferably per design of course...

Thanks,
Marius

 
Still working on it but getting closer - hope to have production in late September.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Aug 2015, 10:14 pm
HI James,

Could you please elaborate on the earlier question on amount of RCA/BNC/SPDIF inputs on the BDA3? They are sorely missed on my part (compared to the BDA1) , can they somehow be added to the BDA as an option, or preferably per design of course...

Thanks,
Marius

Do you mean that an SPDIF input can be modified to be either an COAX or a BNC?

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 18 Aug 2015, 04:42 am
Do you mean that an SPDIF input can be modified to be either an COAX or a BNC?

james

Hi James,

No, I  meant to ask you if it is possible to add the inputs back again you took out compared to the BDA1. You've made the bda3 more Video flexible but unfortunately less audio only connective .
Hope it's possible to restore that unique design that set the Bda1 apart from the competition.

Cheers
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Aug 2015, 10:40 am
Hi James,

No, I  meant to ask you if it is possible to add the inputs back again you took out compared to the BDA1. You've made the bda3 more Video flexible but unfortunately less audio only connective .
Hope it's possible to restore that unique design that set the Bda1 apart from the competition.

Cheers
Marius

No I am sorry the number of inputs is set as per the current back panel. The BDA-2 will stay in the line for those that need more COAX and BNC type inputs.  More and more people are using HDMI connections and we have added a second USB input to the BDA3 as USB is becoming more popular as well.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 18 Aug 2015, 11:36 am
Ok James,

Too bad, but thanks anyways.

Forgive me for asking but do the BDA2 and 3 have the same processor then? Or is the 3 really also an upgrade processor-wise, and does it sport a later/better processor.

Also, I remember you stating that if Bryston were to do DSD, it would have to be done with its own separated circuitry, since DSD and PCM were to totally different beasts. Do  PCM and DSD in the BDA3 now have their own processors and accompanying circuitry? I cant seem to find anything on that.

Thanks,
Marius

,
No I am sorry the number of inputs is set as per the current back panel. The BDA-2 will stay in the line for those that need more COAX and BNC type inputs.  More and more people are using HDMI connections and we have added a second USB input to the BDA3 as USB is becoming more popular as well.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Aug 2015, 11:42 am
Ok James,

Too bad, but thanks anyways.

Forgive me for asking but do the BDA2 and 3 have the same processor then? Or is the 3 really also an upgrade processor-wise, and does it sport a later/better processor.

Also, I remember you stating that if Bryston were to do DSD, it would have to be done with its own separated circuitry, since DSD and PCM were to totally different beasts. Do  PCM and DSD in the BDA3 now have their own processors and accompanying circuitry? I cant seem to find anything on that.

Thanks,
Marius

,

No the BDA3 uses a new AKM DAC capable of DSD whereas the BDA2 is a PCM only DAC - although it appears the BDA-2 will play DSD 64 through USB.

Yes the circuitry is different for DSD and PCM in the BDA3 so there is a sensing circuit in the BDA3 that determines the incoming signal and sends it to the appropriate circuitry.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 18 Aug 2015, 11:57 am
No the BDA3 uses a new AKM DAC capable of DSD whereas the BDA2 is a PCM only DAC - although it appears the BDA-2 will play DSD 64 through USB.

Yes the circuitry is different for DSD and PCM in the BDA3 so there is a sensing circuit in the BDA3 that determines the incoming signal and sends it to the appropriate circuitry.

james

thank you James, very tempting and interesting. Hope to see some of the measured tests soon  :thumb:

Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 18 Aug 2015, 01:39 pm
No I am sorry the number of inputs is set as per the current back panel. The BDA-2 will stay in the line for those that need more COAX and BNC type inputs.

Although the number and type of inputs are finalized, if the silkscreening and physical manual are not, I think I would refer to the group of inputs as "S/PDIF Digital Audio Inputs" with "RCA", "BNC" and "OPT" (TOSLINK)  labels, as RCA and BNC terminated connections both utilize COAX cable construction, and all three are S/PDIF format.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 25 Aug 2015, 08:23 am
What kind of HDMI version will be used on the BDA-3?
What about a remote controll?
I own the 4BSST2, BP26, MPS-2 and will get the BDA-3 when it is ready.
Is it possible to turn on/off all of them in one action with some sort of trigger?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 04:45 pm
http://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/news/41262017-audio-myth-dsd-provides-a-direct-stream-from-a-d-to-d-a?utm_source=Application+Notes&utm_campaign=8c260d3dfb-AppNotes_22Apr_high-resolution_server&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e28f43b8aa-8c260d3dfb-125345741&mc_cid=8c260d3dfb&mc_eid
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 28 Aug 2015, 06:23 pm
http://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/news/41262017-audio-myth-dsd-provides-a-direct-stream-from-a-d-to-d-a?utm_source=Application+Notes&utm_campaign=8c260d3dfb-AppNotes_22Apr_high-resolution_server&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e28f43b8aa-8c260d3dfb-125345741&mc_cid=8c260d3dfb&mc_eid

Hi James
Thank you for this, most informative.
I take it you reposting this means this is also the Bryston philosophy. Could you elaborate on that, and on the path Bryston implements PCM and DSD in the BDA's?

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 06:29 pm
Hi James
Thank you for this, most informative.
I take it you reposting this means this is also the Bryston philosophy. Could you elaborate on that, and on the path Bryston implements PCM and DSD in the BDA's?

Thanks,
Marius

Its a separate circuit path for DSD and PCM but I agree with the artricle that DSD is just another option for digital playback.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 28 Aug 2015, 06:35 pm
You've explained about that before, thanks. I hoped  you might be able to inform us a bit more on how these separate paths are implemented.

btw, do you have anything in mind for us upgraders, like Benchmark does? A very nice trade-in program they offer: http://benchmarkmedia.com/pages/dac1-trade-in-program

Cheers,
Marius

Its a separate circuit path for DSD and PCM but I agree with the artricle that DSD is just another option for digital playback.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2015, 06:38 pm
You've explained about that before, thanks. I hoped  you might be able to inform us a bit more on how these separate paths are implemented.

btw, do you have anything in mind for us upgraders, like Benchmark does? A very nice trade-in program they offer: http://benchmarkmedia.com/pages/dac1-trade-in-program

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

No I am sorry there is nothing I can do at the trade-up level (not enough margin for that) - it would be up to the dealer to decide the trade in value.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 28 Aug 2015, 06:41 pm
ok, thanks James.

Hi Marius,

No I am sorry there is nothing I can do at the trade-up level (not enough margin for that) - it would be up to the dealer to decide the trade in value.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: dallyd31 on 11 Sep 2015, 04:28 pm
Hi James

I currently have the BDA 1 and use the 4bsst2 and BP17 ( and middle T speakers).  Is the BDA 2 going to be an improvement sound wise, or is it mainly a feature upgrade ?  I am considering an upgrade, but if it is only features that were upgraded I am probably fine as my BDA 1 is good that way. I use it to mainly run digital files through a streamer ( Moon Mind) from a NAS drive.  The streamer and DAC are connected via AES/EBU cable
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2015, 04:59 pm
Hi James

I currently have the BDA 1 and use the 4bsst2 and BP17 ( and middle T speakers).  Is the BDA 2 going to be an improvement sound wise, or is it mainly a feature upgrade ?  I am considering an upgrade, but if it is only features that were upgraded I am probably fine as my BDA 1 is good that way. I use it to mainly run digital files through a streamer ( Moon Mind) from a NAS drive.  The streamer and DAC are connected via AES/EBU cable

Hi

Yes the BDP-2 with the new Bryston sound card would be an improvement.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 14 Sep 2015, 12:49 am
James:

Glad to see the BDA-3 is getting close. Sounds like a great piece of gear. As you know, I had an early deposit on one but went another direction eventually. If the reviews come in over the top later this year, I may be back! Model T's, 14bsst, and BDA-3 would be a great combo!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Sep 2015, 12:51 am
James:

Glad to see the BDA-3 is getting close. Sounds like a great piece of gear. As you know, I had an early deposit on one but went another direction eventually. If the reviews come in over the top later this year, I may be back! Model T's, 14bsst, and BDA-3 would be a great combo!

Hi

Yes I am finally happy with what I am hearing on the BDA-3  :thumb: Sorry for all the delays.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 14 Sep 2015, 01:32 am
Hi

Yes I am finally happy with what I am hearing on the BDA-3  :thumb: Sorry for all the delays.

james

Patience is priceless... :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 14 Sep 2015, 01:20 pm
Delays for the right reasons are entirely acceptable. Glad to hear it has passed the JT test!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: gdbalp on 14 Sep 2015, 07:43 pm
Hey James,

Great to hear that BDA-3 is ready to launch... Like a fine wine... :thumb:

And how does it compare to the BDA-2 DAC?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 15 Sep 2015, 03:41 pm
Cook where's my Hasenpheffer?  Hassenpheffer as in BDA3.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 16 Sep 2015, 07:50 am
Hi

Yes I am finally happy with what I am hearing on the BDA-3  :thumb: Sorry for all the delays.

james

I've read there should be no difference in audio from the BDA-2 (for identical input types) and that there may be a slight improvement. Now that you're about ready to go to production James, can you comment on what (if any) differences there might be between the BDA-2 and BDA-3 in audio quality of PCM files?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Ansum on 16 Sep 2015, 02:26 pm
Just wondering what the price of the BDA-3 is going to be, and whether the BDA-2 will be offered at a lower price point when the BDA-3 is launched?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Sep 2015, 02:42 pm
I've read there should be no difference in audio from the BDA-2 (for identical input types) and that there may be a slight improvement. Now that you're about ready to go to production James, can you comment on what (if any) differences there might be between the BDA-2 and BDA-3 in audio quality of PCM files?

- Garrett

An excellent question! All the replies I got so far suggest it is impossible to distinguish between the two but that might have changed.

James?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 16 Sep 2015, 03:09 pm
Just wondering what the price of the BDA-3 is going to be, and whether the BDA-2 will be offered at a lower price point when the BDA-3 is launched?

It's in the thread - see post number 638 and after - $3,195
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2015, 03:20 pm
Just wondering what the price of the BDA-3 is going to be, and whether the BDA-2 will be offered at a lower price point when the BDA-3 is launched?

Hi

Yes the BDA-2 will stay in the line at the same price as unless you need HDMI and DSD capability there is no need for the more expensive BDA-3.

james
 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 17 Sep 2015, 02:25 pm
Hi

Yes the BDA-2 will stay in the line at the same price as unless you need HDMI and DSD capability there is no need for the more expensive BDA-3.

james

What if you just want one?  :scratch: :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Sep 2015, 02:31 pm
Hi

Yes the BDA-2 will stay in the line at the same price as unless you need HDMI and DSD capability there is no need for the more expensive BDA-3.

james

Hi James!

Okay, so that answers the question whether BDA-3 offers audible improvement over the BDA-2 with PCM programme.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Roberto135 on 23 Sep 2015, 12:52 pm
Hi, when you think BDA-3 will be over in Europe (Italy)? A friend of mine wants to buy a new dac, so I want direct it towards Bryston...
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Sep 2015, 01:05 pm
Hi, when you think BDA-3 will be over in Europe (Italy)? A friend of mine wants to buy a new dac, so I want direct it towards Bryston...

Hi Roberto

The metal work and circuit boards and coming in this week so fingers crossed we should be in production in October.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 24 Sep 2015, 01:38 pm
Hi James,
Many months ago during the BDA-3 development I had asked whether the DAC would provide a Polarity Inversion switch. I was informed that this was the intent, but details were not yet available. Now that the BDA-3 has moved from design and testing to assembly, can you tell me whether in fact a Polarity Inversion feature is available, and if so, how it is implemented (eg. by BR-2 remote?)
Thanks.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2015, 02:40 pm
Hi James,
Many months ago during the BDA-3 development I had asked whether the DAC would provide a Polarity Inversion switch. I was informed that this was the intent, but details were not yet available. Now that the BDA-3 has moved from design and testing to assembly, can you tell me whether in fact a Polarity Inversion feature is available, and if so, how it is implemented (eg. by BR-2 remote?)
Thanks.

I think it can be done in software from what engineering tells me but have not tested it yet

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 24 Sep 2015, 06:58 pm
James,

is there a chance that the spdif out comes back to the BDA-3?

or can it be done by special order if someone wants it??

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2015, 07:02 pm
James,

is there a chance that the spdif out comes back to the BDA-3?

or can it be done by special order if someone wants it??

al.

No I am sorry it is not available.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 5 Oct 2015, 09:40 am
Will the BDA-3 come with included remote?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 10:03 am
Will the BDA-3 come with included remote?

Hi

No the remote will be extra.

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 5 Oct 2015, 10:20 am
Hi

No the remote will be extra.

James
Ok. Is it the BR-2 or will a new model be made?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2015, 10:56 am
Ok. Is it the BR-2 or will a new model be made?

Hi

The. BR 2 will work with some functions but we are looking at a dedicated remote as well

James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 5 Oct 2015, 11:07 am
Hi

The. BR 2 will work with some functions but we are looking at a dedicated remote as well

James
Thanks, good to know. Looking forward to getting a complete Bryston setup!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 5 Oct 2015, 04:49 pm
Hi

The. BR 2 will work with some functions but we are looking at a dedicated remote as well

James
Just placed my order for the BDA-3 at Lyric HiFi in Norway! Hope the remote will be avalible soon.
I'm really enjoying my Bryston products and the service provided! Thumbs up!  8)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Oct 2015, 11:24 am
Hi Folks,

First BDA-3 manufactured!

At home for a final test run and will have on demo at this weekends audio show in Toronto.  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130629)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130630)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130631)



james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 28 Oct 2015, 12:26 pm
Let me be the first to say CONGRATULATIONS !!! :thumb:
Time for a dedicated BDA-3 thread.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: audio.bill on 28 Oct 2015, 12:58 pm
Good idea regarding a new dedicated BDA-3 thread. I'm anxiously awaiting comments on its performance level and expectations are set very high. Hoping that it's a legitimate competitor for some other top flight DACs, even those at much higher prices.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: BrystonFan on 28 Oct 2015, 10:20 pm
Congrats James.
Is the new BDA-3 smaller in width than the BDA-2?
From your picture it looks smaller when sized against the BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: BrystonFan on 28 Oct 2015, 10:23 pm
Oops I forgot
19" rack mount and standard 17" versions :duh:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 29 Oct 2015, 05:32 pm
Congrats! Glad to see it out!

And it can be controlled via a web interface, like the SP3? Just double-checking because I want to switch my remote system from UHF->IR to ethernet.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 30 Oct 2015, 07:41 am
HI James,


Since you increased the height of the BDA3 to position the HDMI board: is the the BDA3 the same size as the BCD1? yet another size and form factor  let alone on a single machine, sets new challenges in the cabinet....




Cheers, Marius
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Oct 2015, 08:45 am
HI James,


Since you increased the height of the BDA3 to position the HDMI board: is the the BDA3 the same size as the BCD1? yet another size and form factor  let alone on a single machine, sets new challenges in the cabinet....




Cheers, Marius

Yes same size as the older BCD1 and our new CD Player as well

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 30 Oct 2015, 08:48 am
 :thumb:
Yes same size as the older BCD1 and our new CD Player as well

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 30 Oct 2015, 01:11 pm
Yes same size as the older BCD1 and our new CD Player as well

james

our new CD Player as well   What you say, details man
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 30 Oct 2015, 04:00 pm
Hi James!

Share some details on the new CD player with us!!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Oct 2015, 12:08 am
Hi James!

Share some details on the new CD player with us!!

Cheers!
Antun

Still working on it but it will exist.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: BrystonFan on 31 Oct 2015, 12:13 am
 :o :thumb:
Redbook here on the forum will be on the ceiling  :lol:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 1 Nov 2015, 08:32 am
Still working on it but it will exist.

james

Hi James!

That's splendid news!

It would perhaps be a good idea to think about a bigger display, the same gorgeous flourescent one used in the BDP-2 perhaps?

Also, I would very much appreciate it if it could have an RCA coaxial SPDIF digital output instead of a BNC, at least as an option.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: audio.bill on 1 Nov 2015, 01:05 pm
Any reports on how the new BDA-3 DAC sounds? Inquiring minds want to know... TIA!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Nov 2015, 01:08 pm
Any reports on how the new BDA-3 DAC sounds? Inquiring minds want to know... TIA!

Hi Bill

I am very happy with the performance especially the USB input.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: audio.bill on 1 Nov 2015, 11:20 pm
For those interested, here's a link to a Stereophile report from TAVES which mentions the BDA-3 and includes a nice shot of the interior. http://www.stereophile.com/content/taves-2015-deutsch-report-part-1#TX1bwmbLmTqkluAl.97 (http://www.stereophile.com/content/taves-2015-deutsch-report-part-1#TX1bwmbLmTqkluAl.97)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 2 Nov 2015, 12:35 pm
Still working on it but it will exist.

james

hmmm...  :? a new CD player and no mention of a new SSP with ATMOS, etc. with a high res USB input supporting PCM and DSD. Seems like an interesting choice in today's market where CD player sales would have dropped off the cliff.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: terrycym on 2 Nov 2015, 12:40 pm
A new CD player would be simpler
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 2 Nov 2015, 12:51 pm
A new CD player would be simpler

Yeah, good point and very true.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 2 Nov 2015, 12:56 pm
I often wonder how many SSP's Bryston actually sells because they are one of the very few out there, and I'll even thow in receivers here that do not offer EQ. I would suspect in relation to their competitors this puts them at an extreme disadvantage sales wise as sooo many people want the kitchen sink thrown in when they buy. The quality of the Bryston SSP's is never in question but as a player in that market I wonder if it's hard for them.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 2 Nov 2015, 02:30 pm
I often wonder how many SSP's Bryston actually sells because they are one of the very few out there, and I'll even thow in receivers here that do not offer EQ. I would suspect in relation to their competitors this puts them at an extreme disadvantage sales wise as sooo many people want the kitchen sink thrown in when they buy. The quality of the Bryston SSP's is never in question but as a player in that market I wonder if it's hard for them.

It's got to be hard for all manufacturers who make excellent 2-channel products as mass market brands get them out to market quickly to have the latest and greatest.  Not knocking either.  Just got a refurb Marantz SR5010 (watched one Atmos movie the other day) for a secondary system.  The secondary system as well as my main system are integrated AV system with 2-channel preamps with HT Bypass (I've owned a couple of expensive processors in the past).  For me personally (but I understand not for everyone) it makes sense to get the 2-channel the way I want it.  At some point I'll get a new receiver for the main system (had Axiom in-ceilings installed several months back) with the new formats.

I rotated the receiver (Marantz SR 6003 which is built much better than the newer one) in that secondary system to basically the guest room (where I have an old Marantz DV9600 and an pair of GR Research N3s) and took the receiver (few year old Denon) in the guest room and moved it to the office (rotated out a 12-14 year old Sony ES receiver).  Digital products like receivers change much more often and for me with multiple systems it is easy to rotate things.  I view receivers with surround sound formats much like PCs.  If you get 5 solid years out of them or more one is doing well.  I'm giving the old Sony ES receiver (which many moons ago in the old house was in the bedroom system and then on a back-up computer) to a friend.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grit on 3 Nov 2015, 08:00 am
I agree with Phil... unfortunately, the home theater market IS like PCs... there's newer, faster, more features every few years.

To Bryston's credit though, they're keeping the SP3 up to date. It was originally produced with HDMI 1.4 pass-through. Then they offered HDMI 2.0 as an upgrade and on newer units. Soon they'll have HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. Aside from Atmos decoding, this is allowing me to keep my SP3 and not feel like I'm missing out on anything.

Is DTS:X (and Qualcomm's version) out yet? If you're getting a new receiver and Atmos is important for you, I'd make sure it's up-gradable.

I suspect Bryston will wait to see if Atmos, DTS:X, and any other formats catch on and become relevant before investing in a SP4.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 3 Nov 2015, 07:42 pm
I agree with Phil... unfortunately, the home theater market IS like PCs... there's newer, faster, more features every few years.

To Bryston's credit though, they're keeping the SP3 up to date. It was originally produced with HDMI 1.4 pass-through. Then they offered HDMI 2.0 as an upgrade and on newer units. Soon they'll have HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. Aside from Atmos decoding, this is allowing me to keep my SP3 and not feel like I'm missing out on anything.

Is DTS:X (and Qualcomm's version) out yet? If you're getting a new receiver and Atmos is important for you, I'd make sure it's up-gradable.

I suspect Bryston will wait to see if Atmos, DTS:X, and any other formats catch on and become relevant before investing in a SP4.

- Garrett

Garrett - the DSP on the SR5010 is upgradable via a network connection (and it upgraded the DSP as soon as I plugged it in).  I watched 'Ex Machina' last night in DTS: X and 'San Andreas' the night before in Atmos.  I believe you can pay to get Auro 3D if one would want to as well.  Will wait on the main system until more units are available (and I'll be doing 11.2).  That's why I buy factory refurbs as I consider them like PCs that will be technologically obsolete to some extent down the road.  The extra dimension of overhead channels adds something.  I wouldn't term it a night and day difference (at least so far with my limited experience of two movies in the spare system) and certainly if one has space limitations and one system then an expensive processor may make more sense.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 3 Nov 2015, 08:32 pm
Garrett - the DSP on the SR5010 is upgradable via a network connection (and it upgraded the DSP as soon as I plugged it in).  I watched 'Ex Machina' last night in DTS: X and 'San Andreas' the night before in Atmos.  I believe you can pay to get Auro 3D if one would want to as well.  Will wait on the main system until more units are available (and I'll be doing 11.2).  That's why I buy factory refurbs as I consider them like PCs that will be technologically obsolete to some extent down the road.  The extra dimension of overhead channels adds something.  I wouldn't term it a night and day difference (at least so far with my limited experience of two movies in the spare system) and certainly if one has space limitations and one system then an expensive processor may make more sense.

Phil how many speakers are you running in your atmos configuration
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 3 Nov 2015, 08:58 pm
Phil how many speakers are you running in your atmos configuration

Chris - had 5.1 (in the spare system) with in-ceiling surrounds and added side surrounds and am now using the in-ceilings as Atmos/DTS:X overhead channels.  So it is 7, but referred to in Atmos terms as 5.1.2 (where 2 in the number of Atmos speakers - gets confusing a drop). 

In the main system I am not running Atmos yet.  Had Axiom in-ceilings installed several months ago (just have to terminate the ends) but don't as yet have a capable receiver.  I run 9.2 with side surrounds, back surrounds and (Dolby Pro Logic iiz) height channels (pic below) and will add the in-ceilings when I get an Atmos capable receiver.

Whenever I do my next Space Coast Audio Society meeting (I usually run 3 systems anyway for that) probably early next year, I may use the 4th system in the bonus room for audio and have Atmos demos in the one room.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103416)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mav52 on 4 Nov 2015, 02:09 pm
Chris - had 5.1 (in the spare system) with in-ceiling surrounds and added side surrounds and am now using the in-ceilings as Atmos/DTS:X overhead channels.  So it is 7, but referred to in Atmos terms as 5.1.2 (where 2 in the number of Atmos speakers - gets confusing a drop). 

In the main system I am not running Atmos yet.  Had Axiom in-ceilings installed several months ago (just have to terminate the ends) but don't as yet have a capable receiver.  I run 9.2 with side surrounds, back surrounds and (Dolby Pro Logic iiz) height channels (pic below) and will add the in-ceilings when I get an Atmos capable receiver.

Whenever I do my next Space Coast Audio Society meeting (I usually run 3 systems anyway for that) probably early next year, I may use the 4th system in the bonus room for audio and have Atmos demos in the one room.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103416)

Thanks Phil
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 4 Nov 2015, 03:50 pm
Can we stay on topic please?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 4 Nov 2015, 04:03 pm
James, any estimate on timeframe for BDA-3 deliveries after placing an order? And is $3495 the US price?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2015, 04:06 pm
James, any estimate on timeframe for BDA-3 deliveries after placing an order? And is $3495 the US price?

Hi

We are 194 units back-ordered and start shipping next week.  I would say about 4-6 weeks from order at this point.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Don_S on 4 Nov 2015, 04:15 pm
Can we stay on topic please?

No  :lol: 

Phil,  What's the tall white thing to the left of the screen?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 4 Nov 2015, 06:02 pm
No  :lol: 

Phil,  What's the tall white thing to the left of the screen?

If you're talking about the foreground that is the projector. Immediately to the left of the screen are beige acoustical treatments and then there is an arched doorway to a short hallway to the master bedroom.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 4 Nov 2015, 06:06 pm
No  :lol: 

Phil,  What's the tall white thing to the left of the screen?

If you're talking about the bone colored things (painted the wall color) on each side of the screen near the top, those are Thiel Power Point height speakers.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Nov 2015, 01:25 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-2 DAC Review From Germany


5/2015 - November/December

Magazine for Digital HiFi

Test:  Bryston BDA-2 DAC

Canadian Competence



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131315)


The professional audio realm has its own demands.  Here technical and tonal quality is of primary importance, while the appearance is of little concern.  But does one want to use such components in the home?  One does if the name Bryston is displayed on it.

A famous maxim which one hears again and again from engineers is “form follows function.”  This nice phrase just merely expresses that with technology the inner values are those that count not the outer ones.  As an inclined HiFi enthusiast one can opine about this as one wants, but after all one must look at the components one uses at home on a daily basis.  However there are manufacturers who have subscribed to this creed, and by means of cleverly thought out technology and good development work achieve the best possible tonal results, while during the design phase of the components they concentrate on ease of operation.  The Canadian Firm Bryston clearly belongs to this group of manufacturers.  Professional use products as well as systems for daily use in the home originate here.  No matter for which realm work is being done, all engineers are instructed, independent of design requirements, to develop the technically best possible product.

One of these products is the BDA-2 D/A Converter, and already on its outside one can see that we are dealing with serious electronics.  Here there are no bells and whistles or optical gimmickry, but rather substantial audio technology.  Substantial is also appropriate for the cabinet because despite the rather light components inside, the entire BDA-2 weighs almost eight kilograms, which is quite ample for a D/A Converter.  Besides the comparatively thick metal panels which form the actual cabinet, this number can surely be explained because of the massive front panel which projects above the top and below the bottom of the cabinet.  Exactly this front panel then also avoids that the BDA-2 does not simply look like a clumsy, metallic lump, because its outside is indeed endowed with a trace of finesse, because the lightly rounded off corners remove some of the hardness from its visual effect.

But with a view at the existing controls it already goes somewhat unceremonially to the nitty-gritty.  Eight status LEDs and ten pushbuttons find room on the component, and every element is responsible for exactly one function.  So that one does not lose any time with guessing or with the study of the instruction manual for the identification of these functions, all elements are equipped with the appropriate designation.  Six of the pushbuttons serve for choosing the desired input, whereby the BDA-2 does not only glisten simply with the number but also with its wealth of variants.  Data can be transferred either via two optical Toslink inputs, or via an XLR plug per AES/EBU.  Additionally there are four S/PDIF inputs of which two are for coaxial cables with RCA connections, and two for BNC bayonet connections.  Here again Bryston’s experience in the professional realm show up, because with newer media servers or streamers BNC connections are quite rare.  Considerably more modern is the USB-B socket which is also present.  Thanks to the multitude of connections one would have difficulty finding a component that cannot be used with the BDA-2 D/A Converter.

No matter which input one uses, the maximum possible sampling rate is always 192 kHz, even with the optical inputs.  Besides that at Bryston one really dislikes to depend on the spadework of others, and therefore every digital signal that is received by the BDA-2 D/A Converter is newly timed by its internal clock in order to counteract the reviled jitter.

From the Japanese manufacturer AKM two AK4399EQ-DAC-Chips, which in the BDA-2 offer a maximum bit length of 24 bits, are responsible for the concluding conversion of the incoming signal.  These are located directly before the analog output stage of the Converter, which in this case is a discretely built-up Class A module.  At the same time the digital and analog sections of the BDA-2 D/A Converter are supplied with current independently from each other.  Yes, here one works technically on a very high niveau, where every possible distortion factor is considered and thought about.  Exemplary.

Another of the eight pushbuttons on the front serves to actuate the synchronous upsampling in order to help the technically less than perfect input signals.  Synchronous here means that the BDA-2 D/A Converter is working with multiple whole numbers, so that signals with 44.1 kHz Or 88.2 kHz are upsampled to 176.4 kHz, while music with 48 kHz or 96 kHz is upsampled to 192 kHz.  Thus during the conversion the most optimum result is achieved at all times.  For every used sampling rate, whether with or without upsampling, one of the eight LEDs is available, and a value is always assigned to it.

Tonally the Bryston BDA-2 D/A Converter sounds as would be expected: The Converter generates the converted music very neutrally and detailed.  This helps positively with jazz, as well as rock, and even with rap, whereby the good dynamic range and the generally very flowing playing of the BDA-2 prevents it from sounding too digital.  Music of CD quality with enabled upsampling sounds still a tick more spatial than without, but the effect is limited because even without upsampling the music already sounds decidedly good.  It once again proves that one should not judge things by their appearance.  So perhaps Bryston’s BDA-2 D/A Converter is not an absolute eye catcher, but there is absolutely nothing lacking in technical finesse.

“Bryston’s BDA-2 is an outstanding D/A Converter, which brings all the strength of professional audio reproduction to the living room.  Those who are more interested in excellent sound rather than in unusual appearance have come to the right place”

Philipp Schneckenburger


Translated from the German by Peter Ullman

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: spitzer on 8 Nov 2015, 07:45 am
Hello All, I'm newbie member:)

I have a question about bryston bda-2 dac. I bought bda-2 from distributor at turkey. It is demo product. Now ı realize, during silent times(like midnight) ı can feel transformer bzzzz noise from 3-5 feets away. It is normal or not.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Nov 2015, 02:35 pm
Hello All, I'm newbie member:)

I have a question about bryston bda-2 dac. I bought bda-2 from distributor at turkey. It is demo product. Now ı realize, during silent times(like midnight) ı can feel transformer bzzzz noise from 3-5 feets away. It is normal or not.

Hi

That is not normal.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: scirica on 8 Nov 2015, 02:57 pm
Hello All, I'm newbie member:)

I have a question about bryston bda-2 dac. I bought bda-2 from distributor at turkey. It is demo product. Now ı realize, during silent times(like midnight) ı can feel transformer bzzzz noise from 3-5 feets away. It is normal or not.

Not normal. Your BDA-2 should be dead quiet!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: spitzer on 8 Nov 2015, 04:17 pm
Hi

That is not normal.

james


Hello, Thanks for your answer. So What do you think about faulty? Maybe transformer screw attaches to chassis loosen with Times, or main line ac with dc, what is your opinion James? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Nov 2015, 06:31 pm
Hello, Thanks for your answer. So What do you think about faulty? Maybe transformer screw attaches to chassis loosen with Times, or main line ac with dc, what is your opinion James? Thanks in advance.

Hi

It could be either but I would try it on another power line and see if it still hums.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: spitzer on 9 Nov 2015, 03:27 pm
Hi

It could be either but I would try it on another power line and see if it still hums.

james

Hello again, ı tried it other power lines, but same result. Then ı measured vdc on mains, it was about 250mv. Nevertheless I dont know if it is reason.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2015, 03:29 pm
Hello again, ı tried it other power lines, but same result. Then ı measured vdc on mains, it was about 250mv. Nevertheless I dont know if it is reason.

That is high - do you know if the unit you have is a 220V or a 240V unit?

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: spitzer on 9 Nov 2015, 04:53 pm
That is high - do you know if the unit you have is a 220V or a 240V unit?

james

Hello James, It is 220v unit.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2015, 05:15 pm
Hello James, It is 220v unit.

That may explain it - send an email to Mike at Bryston and ask if it can be adjusted to 240V - mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 10 Nov 2015, 04:47 pm
What is the specs for the power cables that comes with Bryston products?
I would like some shorter ones, just wan't to check that it is ok to change them out.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Tympani on 11 Nov 2015, 02:07 am
SlamDancer,

Since the Bryston BDP's and BDA's are low-current devices, practically any computer type IEC cable should easily provide enough current capacity to deliver power. Beyond that, however, I feel that any digital component with high end aspirations would definitely benefit from a good-quality shielded cable with quality connectors. The market is full of high end cables sometimes costing more than the components themselves. And yes, I'll admit I have drank the high end cable Koolaid with my components. But I think excellent results can be had from solidly engineered cables from value companies such as DH Labs, where a 3' Encore power cable will cost you about $100, and give superior results over the stock supplied cords. That's just one of many, many options. You might want to consult The Cable Company for trials. I think you will be surprised at audible differences between cables.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 11 Nov 2015, 02:43 am
SlamDancer,

Since the Bryston BDP's and BDA's are low-current devices, practically any computer type IEC cable should easily provide enough current capacity to deliver power. Beyond that, however, I feel that any digital component with high end aspirations would definitely benefit from a good-quality shielded cable with quality connectors. The market is full of high end cables sometimes costing more than the components themselves. And yes, I'll admit I have drank the high end cable Koolaid with my components. But I think excellent results can be had from solidly engineered cables from value companies such as DH Labs, where a 3' Encore power cable will cost you about $100, and give superior results over the stock supplied cords. That's just one of many, many options. You might want to consult The Cable Company for trials. I think you will be surprised at audible differences between cables.
Great advice
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 11 Nov 2015, 11:13 am
Thanks.
I just want to get rid of some of the cable mess behind my rack. So no need for super Hi-end stuff here, but good quality cables with lenghts approx. 0,5 to 1 meter is what I need.
Just wanted to be sure I'm not doing anything wrong or will make problems with warranty etc.

(Poor English, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say) :wink:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Nov 2015, 11:17 am
Hi

No concerns with warranty using different power cords.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Slam Dancer on 11 Nov 2015, 12:39 pm
Hi

No concerns with warranty using different power cords.

james
Thank you.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Ansum on 11 Nov 2015, 01:37 pm
I've been wondering about how a simple passive type of preamp/volume controller might perform compared to an active one when used between a BDA-2 DAC and a 4BSST2 power amp. As I understand it the output of the BDA-2 should be high enough that all one really needs from the volume control is attenuation and not amplification (right?).

There seem to be quite a few options for passive preamps/volume controllers from simple potentiometers like the ones below....
https://emotiva.com/products/electronics/control-freak
http://www.tcelectronic.com/level-pilot/
...to more sophisticated and expensive solutions like TVC and LDR types of preamps like the following...
http://www.mfaudio.co.uk/Menu2/preamplifiers.htm
http://www.tortugaaudio.com/passive-preamps/

All I really need a preamp for is to control the volume and ensure a good interface between a single source (BDA-2) and my power amp, so a minimalistic approach is fine with me as long as the sound quality does not suffer.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: BrisbaneTom on 26 Jan 2016, 03:18 am
Still working on it but it will exist.

james

Hi James,

I was wondering if you could give a rough idea of when the new CD player will be available?

Thanks,

Tom
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2016, 03:25 am
Hi James,

I was wondering if you could give a rough idea of when the new CD player will be available?

Thanks,

Tom

Hope to show it at the Montreal Audio Show in March

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: BrisbaneTom on 26 Jan 2016, 03:56 am
Hope to show it at the Montreal Audio Show in March

james

Excellent, thanks James.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grant Hill on 26 Jan 2016, 10:29 am
Wow great news!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 26 Jan 2016, 03:54 pm
I've been wondering about how a simple passive type of preamp/volume controller might perform compared to an active one when used between a BDA-2 DAC and a 4BSST2 power amp. As I understand it the output of the BDA-2 should be high enough that all one really needs from the volume control is attenuation and not amplification (right?).

There seem to be quite a few options for passive preamps/volume controllers from simple potentiometers like the ones below....
https://emotiva.com/products/electronics/control-freak
http://www.tcelectronic.com/level-pilot/
...to more sophisticated and expensive solutions like TVC and LDR types of preamps like the following...
http://www.mfaudio.co.uk/Menu2/preamplifiers.htm
http://www.tortugaaudio.com/passive-preamps/

All I really need a preamp for is to control the volume and ensure a good interface between a single source (BDA-2) and my power amp, so a minimalistic approach is fine with me as long as the sound quality does not suffer.

Not a problem, any BDA dac can drive a passive. Used a BDA2 TVC into a 14B with no problems. I want to try one of the Tortuga passives. It's just the sound of a passive and not a line stage you have to get use to and decide whether you like or not.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: rollo on 26 Jan 2016, 04:22 pm
  Passives require two things to make all sound its best The CDP or DAC  needs to have an output of 2V minimum. More the better. The amps input sensitivity should be less than 1mv. Cable runs should be as short as possible to amps as well.
  I find most passives lean in character except transformer based ones. Slage Autoformers and Promithius come to mind. Top of the heap would be Billington transformers in silver oh my !.


charles
   
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 26 Jan 2016, 04:46 pm
The CDP or DAC  needs to have an output of 2V minimum. More the better. The amps input sensitivity should be less than 1mv.

That would be a catastrophic mismatch!  Input sensitivity < 1V ?

Of course that would suggest that none of the Bryston power amplifiers would be optimal.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 26 Jan 2016, 04:56 pm
  Passives require two things to make all sound its best The CDP or DAC  needs to have an output of 2V minimum. More the better. The amps input sensitivity should be less than 1mv. Cable runs should be as short as possible to amps as well.
  I find most passives lean in character except transformer based ones. Slage Autoformers and Promithius come to mind. Top of the heap would be Billington transformers in silver oh my !.


charles
 

I was able to drive a sub with the other passive output  :thumb:. Also a tube buffer (but I was kind of pushing it).  Didn't like the tube buffer it was to much (do you want tubes or a passive - confusion to the sound)  :lol:. Distortion actually but it got in the way even when the sub was off.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grant Hill on 26 Jan 2016, 05:45 pm
If my understanding is correct, BDA-3's manual tells not to connect the Dac to a power amplifier, as it has no volume control

Not a problem, any BDA dac can drive a passive. Used a BDA2 TVC into a 14B with no problems. I want to try one of the Tortuga passives. It's just the sound of a passive and not a line stage you have to get use to and decide whether you like or not.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 26 Jan 2016, 07:22 pm
If my understanding is correct, BDA-3's manual tells not to connect the Dac to a power amplifier, as it has no volume control

No don't do that.  I put the BDA2 into a TVC passive then onto the amp.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grant Hill on 26 Jan 2016, 07:53 pm
No don't do that.  I put the BDA2 into a TVC passive then onto the amp.

Sorry, I did't get it.  Thanks for clarify.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grant Hill on 28 Jan 2016, 08:28 pm
Hope to show it at the Montreal Audio Show in March

james

Hello James,

Can you give us some information about the new CD?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jan 2016, 10:26 pm
Hello James,

Can you give us some information about the new CD?

Still woking on it but a great new Sony drive with the new DAC's from the BDA-3 so far.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Ron D on 29 Jan 2016, 12:22 am
With a Sony drive and the BDA-3 having the capability to play SACD material could this new spinner be able to play SACD discs?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jan 2016, 12:42 am
With a Sony drive and the BDA-3 having the capability to play SACD material could this new spinner be able to play SACD discs?

Nope - dedicated CD player only.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Grant Hill on 29 Jan 2016, 08:26 am
Thank you James
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jan 2016, 01:09 pm
Nope - dedicated CD player only.

james

So why just CD then? Is the Sony drive unit not SACD compatible?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: alexone on 29 Jan 2016, 01:25 pm
 i think that a sacd/cd player from Bryston would be really cool!!!!! especially since the new BDA-3 is out now :thumb:

i still wonder why Bryston doesn't want sacd... :scratch:

al.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jan 2016, 02:04 pm
So why just CD then? Is the Sony drive unit not SACD compatible?

SCAD drives are 'clocked' at a different frequency that CD drives - I wanted a dedicated CD drive clocked appropriately.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Rod_S on 29 Jan 2016, 03:17 pm
SCAD drives are 'clocked' at a different frequency that CD drives - I wanted a dedicated CD drive clocked appropriately.

james

Ah ok , thanks
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: rpmartins on 29 Jan 2016, 10:42 pm
Hi!
Dedicated CD PLAYER with inputs to serve as a DAC to other devices?

Nope - dedicated CD player only.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jan 2016, 12:03 am
Hi!
Dedicated CD PLAYER with inputs to serve as a DAC to other devices?

Hi

No internal DAC inputs as a CD DAC operates at 44.1 and 16 BIT.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Yitshak on 30 Jan 2016, 11:17 am
Hi James,


Sound wise any differences between the new CD analog output direct to the pre compare to the BDA3 playing 44.1/16 file via the USB?

Itshak
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jan 2016, 11:45 am
Hi James,


Sound wise any differences between the new CD analog output direct to the pre compare to the BDA3 playing 44.1/16 file via the USB?

Itshak

Hi

It would depend on the quality of the CD Players analogue output section vs the discrete Class A analog section in the BDA-3.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Yitshak on 30 Jan 2016, 01:58 pm
Hi

It would depend on the quality of the CD Players analogue output section vs the discrete Class A analog section in the BDA-3.

james

Thanks

thought the new CD pre model version already run and tested.
was intresting how it compare to an BDP2/BDA3 combo.

Itshak

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 24 Feb 2016, 01:43 pm
Hi James!

I have a question regarding BDA-2 digital inputs. Are all of these equipped with impedance-matching transformers and galvanically isolated?

Also, does USB input feature galvanic isolation?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Feb 2016, 02:15 pm
Hi James!

I have a question regarding BDA-2 digital inputs. Are all of these equipped with impedance-matching transformers and galvanically isolated?

Also, does USB input feature galvanic isolation?

Cheers!
Antun

Yes.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Yitshak on 24 Feb 2016, 08:05 pm
Hello

Tried to install BDA 2 on my other system running Windows 10,
With no success.

I tried using both the driver key provided with the BDA-2 and the driver from the website (both 1.61 ver.)

It fails with "Preinstallation failed! Please run setup again. If you are asked to confirm the installation of software, please confirm."

I have tried the installation numerous times, as well as in safe mode but the same error appears.

* The user running the OS is an administrator.

I am assuming this is an issue with the OS's compatibility. With that said, is there another driver version more suited for this OS? Please assist.

Thanks in advance,
Yitshak
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 24 Feb 2016, 08:18 pm
Have you tried to install in Compatibility Mode?

Right-click on Setup.exe

Properties > Compatibility tab > Run this program in compatibility mode for: Windows 7

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Yitshak on 24 Feb 2016, 08:25 pm
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the quick answer.

Unfortunately I have already tried compatibility mode for Windows 7/8 but without success.

Any thoughts?

Yitshak
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 24 Feb 2016, 08:30 pm
Bryston Support - Windows 10 USB Drivers
http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=235
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Yitshak on 24 Feb 2016, 08:40 pm
Thanks for the help!

I will try asking there.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Yitshak on 24 Feb 2016, 10:40 pm
Thanks again Steve
For pointing me.

The answer was there.

Download the BDA3 driver and some how it
Create in JRiver audio options both BDA2 and BDA3
to choose from.

All is fine.


Yitshak
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: appdevman on 1 Mar 2016, 05:48 am
Just ordered my BDA-3 from AA.   :thumb:

My home theater already has:
SP3
14BSST2
6BSST2

I'm getting the BDA-3 to be the heartbeat of a 2-channel listening room.

I can't wait to add more transparency and perfection, in a different room  :green:

Thanks for making such fine products!

Cheers
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 4 Apr 2016, 10:54 am
is there any difference going from bnc to coax vs rca to rca that anyone has noticed for sound quality.  My transport only has a coax out.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 4 Apr 2016, 01:57 pm
is there any difference going from bnc to coax vs rca to rca that anyone has noticed for sound quality.  My transport only has a coax out.

Hi!

I had my BDA-2 special ordered with RCA coax inputs instead of BNC. After much thought and Research I came to the conclusion difference would be marginal at best. There is hardly any difference between USB and AES and these are completely different interfaces so I don't see how RCA and BNC could sound any differently. BDA-2 is equipped with impedance-matching Devices on all it's SPDIF inputs to compensate for the variances in cables used.

I wouldn't give this a second thought.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Apr 2016, 03:03 pm
is there any difference going from bnc to coax vs rca to rca that anyone has noticed for sound quality.  My transport only has a coax out.

I have BDA-1, and I cannot hear a consistent diff between BNC and SPDIF. I still use BNC and AES into it, though. My AES seems to give a slightly better sense of "ease" and a fuller sound than SPDIF. But it could just be me.  :scratch:
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 4 Apr 2016, 05:45 pm
I have BDA-1, and I cannot hear a consistent diff between BNC and SPDIF. I still use BNC and AES into it, though. My AES seems to give a slightly better sense of "ease" and a fuller sound than SPDIF. But it could just be me.  :scratch:

I agree. The differences might lie in the voltage since AES is a 3.3 V connection and S/PDIF is a 0.5 V connection. But even on the best of days, they are hardly of any relevance and a matter for an academic debate.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 4 Apr 2016, 07:28 pm
Thank you guys greatly appreciated. 
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC
Post by: jtinto on 6 Apr 2016, 07:03 pm
I'm still trying to decide between buying a used BDA-1 or a new BDA-2.
Anyone thinking about selling their BDA?

Funny, I just remembered my old post in this topic.
I just joined the BDA-3 club and still enjoying my Bryston gear!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: werd on 6 Apr 2016, 07:12 pm
Hi!

I had my BDA-2 special ordered with RCA coax inputs instead of BNC. After much thought and Research I came to the conclusion difference would be marginal at best. There is hardly any difference between USB and AES and these are completely different interfaces so I don't see how RCA and BNC could sound any differently. BDA-2 is equipped with impedance-matching Devices on all it's SPDIF inputs to compensate for the variances in cables used.

I wouldn't give this a second thought.

Cheers!
Antun

 :o why would you do that? You could have easily picked up an adaptor into BNC.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: srb on 6 Apr 2016, 08:16 pm
:o why would you do that? You could have easily picked up an adaptor into BNC.

Yes, BNC has a very positive bayonet lock so the compact adapter snaps on securely and adds minimal length.  I would think it could slightly degrade a resale price not to mention the possible future acquisition of a source with a BNC output which would no longer have the option of a true 75 ohm connection.

Steve
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Gerard on 15 Apr 2016, 09:05 pm
A question about connecting my BDP-2/BDA-2 combo to a preamplifier. What is the preferred connection between BDA2- Constellation PreAmp1: balanced (XLR) or unbalanced (RCA)? Is the BDA-2 a true balanced design or is a converter involved when using the XLR output of the BDA-2.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Regards, Gerard
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2016, 09:20 pm
A question about connecting my BDP-2/BDA-2 combo to a preamplifier. What is the preferred connection between BDA2- Constellation PreAmp1: balanced (XLR) or unbalanced (RCA)? Is the BDA-2 a true balanced design or is a converter involved when using the XLR output of the BDA-2.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Regards, Gerard

Hi Gerard

All Bryston balanced XLR connections are a true fully balanced differential circuit.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Gerard on 15 Apr 2016, 09:26 pm
Thanks James for your quick reply! The balanced connect is then the preferred one!
Regards, Gerard
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: The Rang on 16 Apr 2016, 01:34 am
I'm sure this will seem like a dumb question to many but,

What is the point of jriver and these other programs, what is their purpose?
If I'm using physical media exclusively and feeding the output of my transport into the DAC, are these programs necessary (for me)?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: audio.bill on 16 Apr 2016, 01:41 am
The Rang - No dumb questions here as far as I'm concerned! JRiver and other similar software is for playing back digital files on a PC. Since you're using physical media and feeding your player's digital output to your DAC no such PC software is needed. Hope that this answers your question, good listening!
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: The Rang on 17 Apr 2016, 04:57 pm
Thanks audio.bill, that's what I thought/hoped but my understanding (or lack thereof) of music files is extremely limited.
I'll drag myself out of the 90's one of these days LOL
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: onthefly on 26 Apr 2016, 02:18 pm
I ripped my collection of DTS CD's to flac using dbpoweramp. With my BDP-2 routed through my Oppo 105 they sound good. Played through my BDA-3 there is only a hissing sound. Anyone had a similar experience or have a solution?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2016, 02:31 pm
I ripped my collection of DTS CD's to flac using dbpoweramp. With my BDP-2 routed through my Oppo 105 they sound good. Played through my BDA-3 there is only a hissing sound. Anyone had a similar experience or have a solution?

HI

The BDA-3 is a PCM stereo or DSD stereo only DAC.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: onthefly on 26 Apr 2016, 02:35 pm
HI

The BDA-3 is a PCM stereo or DSD stereo only DAC.

james

Thanks for the quick reply, James.
I'm sure dbpoweramp just ripped the stereo layer.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2016, 02:40 pm
Thanks for the quick reply, James.
I'm sure dbpoweramp just ripped the stereo layer.

Ok sorry I do not know why then as I assume it has to do with the way the file was recorded...  have not tried that myself yet.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: gahabana on 17 May 2016, 08:06 pm
Thanks for the quick reply, James.
I'm sure dbpoweramp just ripped the stereo layer.
hi, am pretty sure dBPowerAmp ripped DTS stream not converting it to PCM. Oppo can decode DTS, BDA-3 does not. Suggest you use pc-tool to convert DTS into PCM ... i use foobar2000 for that purpose, not sure if dbpoweramp can do it.
hope this helps ?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Phil A on 17 May 2016, 08:42 pm
There is some info here - https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?21026-Rip-DTS-Audio-CD-to-files
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Jhayman on 30 Jun 2016, 02:58 pm
Have you tried to install in Compatibility Mode?

Right-click on Setup.exe

Properties > Compatibility tab > Run this program in compatibility mode for: Windows 7

Steve

Thank you I too am using Win 10

Did anyone else notice under audio devices the new MM software removed the original audio device and now only has the BUC board listed..
At least on mine it's shows this?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 13 Jul 2016, 08:06 pm
Hi James,


Is the reclocking (and possibly the format- and sample rate conversion) mentioned in Andrew's review of Mutec (http://mutec-net.com/)'s MC-3+USB here https://andreweverard.com/2016/07/12/review-mutec-mc-3-usb-clocking-the-best-way-to-improve-your-digital-audio/ (https://andreweverard.com/2016/07/12/review-mutec-mc-3-usb-clocking-the-best-way-to-improve-your-digital-audio/) anywhere near useful in the Bryston lineup, or does the Bryston family of dacs have its own reclocking implementation (as i understood it, being the architecture of a asynchronous setup per definition?)


Andrew stresses the importance of jitter elimination and prevention like you always do, and seems rather pleased with this new device's design and capabilities on that subject.


If not, would this be something Bryston would consider adding in the lineup (next iteration of BDA4 maybe....)


Please give us your thoughts on this?
Thanks,
Marius


Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 15 Sep 2016, 11:51 pm
ZZZZZZ,not much happenin Marious,I ordered a 3+USB and should be here tomorrow.
I have been curious about this also and especially when studios and audio folks are getting great results between source and dac.
Even with very high end dacs.
Surprised no one has even commented,whatever, I will find out myself if I can squeeze more out of the BDP-2 and BDA-2,
actually there is a guy on computer audiophile who has been messin with this and is quite happy it seems..sooo for me I can return the MUTEC MC-3 in 30 days so if she doesn't improve I can send her back,my cost for shipping but it's worth it to find out.
Will let you know ......
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Marius on 16 Sep 2016, 09:37 am
ZZZZZZ,not much happenin Marious,I ordered a 3+USB and should be here tomorrow.
I have been curious about this also and especially when studios and audio folks are getting great results between source and dac.
Even with very high end dacs.
Surprised no one has even commented,whatever, I will find out myself if I can squeeze more out of the BDP-2 and BDA-2,
actually there is a guy on computer audiophile who has been messin with this and is quite happy it seems..sooo for me I can return the MUTEC MC-3 in 30 days so if she doesn't improve I can send her back,my cost for shipping but it's worth it to find out.
Will let you know ......
cool, please do.
Thanks,
Marius

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: adol290 on 16 Sep 2016, 01:40 pm
ZZZZZZ,not much happenin Marious,I ordered a 3+USB and should be here tomorrow.
I have been curious about this also and especially when studios and audio folks are getting great results between source and dac.
Even with very high end dacs.
Surprised no one has even commented,whatever, I will find out myself if I can squeeze more out of the BDP-2 and BDA-2,
actually there is a guy on computer audiophile who has been messin with this and is quite happy it seems..sooo for me I can return the MUTEC MC-3 in 30 days so if she doesn't improve I can send her back,my cost for shipping but it's worth it to find out.
Will let you know ......


Drummer,

Here is my experience with a similar device the   IFI micro – iUSB3.0

I have an Esoteric K-03x CD/SACD player and wanted to use the DAC portion in it for my digital files.

I bought a BDP-2 and hooked it up to the K-03x DAC with a cheaper USB cable.

The sound was ok, but not up to par with playing just the CD player.

I then upgraded my cable to the top of the line Audio Sensibility USB cable. The sound was
 much better, but still not quite there. Flat sounding. The cd player has a bit more open
 and larger 3d soundstage. Also smoother with more macro details.

I then bought the IFI USB Micro USB, and a second audio sensibility USB cable.

So my setup is now

 BDP-2 > USB into IFI > USB out of IFI > into the K-03x DAC portion.

I ran the system for 500 hrs to allow for burn in. This is by best my digital has sounded.
 It is very close to the CD player, but still has just a very slight touch of flatness.
 I do seem to get a bit more detail with the digital, but it is not quite as smooth.
 I am splitting hairs here, but remember the cd player is almost 4 times the cost
  of the BDP-2.

BTW - My tests are with CD's i ripped to FLAC lossless using DBpoweramp.

I will be curious to hear the results of you test.

Where did you purchase the 3+USB from.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 16 Sep 2016, 11:35 pm
Purchased off EBAY(BZBEXPRESS)lot of people looking at this and the...well the reviews even in front of a digital player and then to the dac.
Reviews are very good...we'll see(I have a 30 day return).
seems they get more information from just regular cds which is my biggest thing.
if i can get more out of the BDP-2 ..BDA-2 :thumb:,
Frig,Mutec MC-3+USB came today and of course my extra AES cable came also but FEDEX needed me to be here to sign for the cable(two delivery guys).
I even posted a note on the door stating to put it in the breezeway,even with my ph#to contact.
Have the Mutec and no extra cable and it's the weekend :cry:Oh well.
I'll ph Fedex Monday and tell the drive to put it in the breeze way as thats what I did with the MC-3...15,00 ish can. compare to the Bryston AES cable,I knew something would go haywire .ah well,
hope its worth the wait.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 25 Sep 2016, 01:33 am
What a bitchin last week,
My AES cable came in a couple days(thxBryston),the MUTEC MC-3+USB came of course in silver.
Anyway was shipped back and have had the Mutec(in Black) for a couple of days.
A tad understanding the control functions(two buttons)but after a half hour it all sinks in...LOL.
I have only have had it up an running for a couple of hours and hopefully I have it set they way she should be(I believe so),
otherwise we'll see on Monday(Chris(MUTEC).
what I can hear instantly is a way bigger stage and I'm talking space a big opening between instruments,more mid bass punch,tighter ect.
Please as this is just a rush test,my BDA-2,BDP-2 I love the sound and the Mutec seems to take a smear off the window.
Definitely does not degrade anything at all.
Like anything new when you hear something you get a tad excited so on that note I will say,next week I will know/hear a lot more....
so far the Mutec MC-3+USB is a keeper,as I know what new gear can do to the mind so I am just trying to be neutral.
So far very good,even by just squeezing the Orange for the last few drops of nectar :D.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: drummermitchell on 6 Oct 2016, 11:38 pm
Love the  sound of my my BDA-2/BDP-2....my MUTEC MC-3+USB takes them to another dimension :thumb: :D :D :D :D.
Totally amazed how wide the stage gets(live)bottom end tighteness end the friggin reverb that was hidden  before is fantastic.
If you can do a home audition( iF you are wary)I took a chance.30 day trial).
The cloudy days are lifted and we didn"t know it as the BDA-2 BDP-2 are SUPERB.
Just like my torus(s)the Mutec is stayin...

been holding off to really listen to the differences........WOW.end of....

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151541)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mfinz8 on 29 Dec 2016, 12:00 am
Hi, I have a BDA-2 Dac and was wondering if any new firmware has ever been released?

If it has, where would I get it from and what improvements would it bring if any?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Dec 2016, 12:20 am
Hi, I have a BDA-2 Dac and was wondering if any new firmware has ever been released?

If it has, where would I get it from and what improvements would it bring if any?

Hi

No - nothing new - the software has remained the same.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: mfinz8 on 29 Dec 2016, 11:29 am
Hi

No - nothing new - the software has remained the same.

james

Thanks. I had been wondering. (Love the Dac).
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: wilsonij on 6 Jan 2017, 10:30 pm
Love the  sound of my my BDA-2/BDP-2....my MUTEC MC-3+USB takes them to another dimension

This sounds really interesting. I would love a bda-3 and a bcd-3 but can't afford them, however I could manage to add one of these as part of the AES chain between my bdp1 and sp-3:
http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/mutec-mc-3plus--smart-clock--221413

However I also have a cd transport connected to the other AES input of my sp-3, so wondered if this...
http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/mutec-mc-6-digital-audio-converter--226173

...which clearly has two AES inputs (so one for the bdp, one for the cd transport) would do the same thing as the mc-3 but in one unit rather than two ?

Also, for those that understand such things, if I'm using an AES connection to an external DAC (in my case in the sp-3, but hopefully a bda-3 eventually) will the move from the Julie@ board in the bdp-1 to the more advanced one in the bdp-2 make any difference ? I don't want to invest in a unit with a more capable board only to bypass it !

Cheers -

Ian
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: wilsonij on 8 Jan 2017, 03:37 pm
After further research, all of the the reviews I could find of the MC-3+ were consistent and remarkable, so I've bought one and will see what it does between my BDP-1 and SP-3, and then between my CD Transport and SP-3.

Ian
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: wilsonij on 14 Jan 2017, 05:36 pm
Love the  sound of my my BDA-2/BDP-2....my MUTEC MC-3+USB takes them to another dimension

I completely concur !

After listening to AES signals on my SP-3 via via the Mutec Unit from both my cd transport and BDP-1 the difference is extraordinary !

More presence, more air, greater dynamism... best £600 upgrade that I've spent in a long time :-)
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: AG on 15 Apr 2017, 08:36 am
Could we by any chance see a software update for the BDA-2 to play back DSD files?
It's capable hardwarewise,why not then?
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2017, 12:48 pm
Could we by any chance see a software update for the BDA-2 to play back DSD files?
It's capable hardwarewise,why not then?

Hi AG

No the DAC chips in the BDA2 are not capable of DSD playback.

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Jun 2017, 07:10 pm
Could we by any chance see a software update for the BDA-2 to play back DSD files?
It's capable hardwarewise,why not then?

Hi!

While the DAC chips in the BDA-2 are capable of DSD decoding, the problem lies in the sample-rate converter (SRC) used in the BDA-2. The signal has to pass through it for reclocking and resampling as it is a part of a jitter-reduction method in the BDA-2. To convert DSD, this SRC would have to be bypassed and to do that would mean compromising PCM decoding.

This is why the BDA-3 has two separate circuits. Once the machine detects a DSD dana stream, it bypasses the SRC automatically and relays the dana directly to the filter stage of the DAC. This is how it's done in SACD players as well.

I own a BDA-2 as well so I read a lot about it's design.

Cheers,
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jun 2017, 10:15 pm
Hi!

While the DAC chips in the BDA-2 are capable of DSD decoding, the problem lies in the sample-rate converter (SRC) used in the BDA-2. The signal has to pass through it for reclocking and resampling as it is a part of a jitter-reduction method in the BDA-2. To convert DSD, this SRC would have to be bypassed and to do that would mean compromising PCM decoding.

This is why the BDA-3 has two separate circuits. Once the machine detects a DSD dana stream, it bypasses the SRC automatically and relays the dana directly to the filter stage of the DAC. This is how it's done in SACD players as well.

I own a BDA-2 as well so I read a lot about it's design.

Cheers,
Antun

Thanks Autun

I learned something  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: Cedric C on 21 Nov 2017, 10:22 am
Hello everyone,
it's been long time that I want to aquire a DAC. I own a B100-sst and I wish upgraded. I read some test and comments writen about 10 years ago about internal DAC. Since then (2009) I wanted to know if somme modifications or improvments have been brought on its technology ?

I wondered about the BDA-3 if the audio signal 5.1 coming from HDMI was downmixed in stereo and if it could be set by the user ?

Thanks for your feedback.

Best regards


Cédric
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: gbaby on 22 Nov 2017, 03:01 pm
Hello everyone,
it's been long time that I want to aquire a DAC. I own a B100-sst and I wish upgraded. I read some test and comments writen about 10 years ago about internal DAC. Since then (2009) I wanted to know if somme modifications or improvments have been brought on its technology ?

I wondered about the BDA-3 if the audio signal 5.1 coming from HDMI was downmixed in stereo and if it could be set by the user ?

Thanks for your feedback.

Best regardsj


Cédric


Only 2.0 or Stereo.
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 29 May 2018, 09:37 am
Hi James, I've been thinking about doing an article on BDA-2 and I have several technical questions. Whom should I contact?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2018, 10:20 am
Hi James, I've been thinking about doing an article on BDA-2 and I have several technical questions. Whom should I contact?

Cheers!
Antun

I would say Dan the designer would be the best choice.

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 29 May 2018, 10:33 am
I would say Dan the designer would be the best choice.

james

Hi James!

Can you please send me a PM with his email?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2018, 11:31 am
Email me and i will forward to Dan - jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC
Post by: R. Daneel on 29 May 2018, 11:36 am
Email me and i will forward to Dan - jamestanner@bryston.com

james

Ok, I will send you the email.

Thank you James!