Is digital really inferior to analog?

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #80 on: 21 May 2017, 11:00 pm »
Go over to the Audioshark forum.  Many of the guys there will tell you that vinyl sounds better than digital.  I am with Wayner on this one.  Digital and Vinyl may look the same but in your mind you know they sound different and something is missing from digital.

Believe what you want to believe. Broad generalizations about this vs that are meaningless. Only a fool would assert otherwise.

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #81 on: 21 May 2017, 11:14 pm »
I've heard digital recordings suppressed to the level of vinyl and still sound better,can anyone tell me why?

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« Reply #82 on: 21 May 2017, 11:45 pm »
Many of the guys there will tell you that vinyl sounds better than digital. Digital and Vinyl may look the same but in your mind you know they sound different and something is missing from digital.
Right, because they prefer it and cannot discern between preference and facts.
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« Reply #83 on: 22 May 2017, 12:17 am »
@Bendingwave
I have a hard time keeping my digital rig from crashing due to a monopoly by my phone/internet provider and iffy electricity supply in the country.  Seems like it takes 15 minutes to get it going whenever I want to listen to a tune... so I just grab a vinyl and spin.  I'm just a low tech guy. 
And I like the sound of my vinyl rig.  But there is no doubt that the digital has better detail and more spacial clues. 

I.Greyhound Fan

Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #84 on: 22 May 2017, 01:26 am »
Believe what you want to believe. Broad generalizations about this vs that are meaningless. Only a fool would assert otherwise.

I did not mean that those guys are right. Just saying there are a lot of guys there that prefer analog.  Digital and Vinyl sound different, no right or wrong.  Poorly recorded vinyl sounds like crap.  Good vinyl on a good system sounds great as does good digital. Vinyl is smoother and more natural to me.  Digital recorded music on vinyl sounds different than analog on vinyl.  There are  a lot of things that have to be matched properly for vinyl to sound great.  You need a good cartridge to match your TT and it has to be properly aligned along with the proper compliance and weight, the TT and tone arm have to be adjusted just right.  The phono preamp has to be a good fit and not cheap junk.  Its the same for digital, you need a good DAC, cable and  music player.  But more things to go wrong with analog.

I listen to a lot more digital than vinyl for a number of reasons but I love the sound of my well recorded vinyl and prefer it.

I.Greyhound Fan

Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #85 on: 22 May 2017, 01:27 am »
Right, because they prefer it and cannot discern between preference and facts.
Those are the faces I love to see after the test. Priceless. :thumb:

And you are one of the guys that hang out at AS. :)

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #86 on: 22 May 2017, 01:39 am »
Worn out records vs indestructible digital files

Where i live some good records stores recently closed... :cry:

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« Reply #87 on: 22 May 2017, 01:48 am »
Like pounding one's head into the ground vs. repeatedly slamming one's head in the door.

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #88 on: 22 May 2017, 11:38 am »
I would not say one is superior or inferior to the other; they are simply different. I think also that it's important to not lose sight of the fact that digital requires two conversion steps, as the source and the final output are stubbornly in the analog domain. Broadly speaking when you convert formats, you introduce aberrations that are unique to the conversion process.

I personally have a use for both. The issues are different, requiring different remedies to minimize or if possible, eliminate them. Elimination is difficult, managing is usually the best that can be achieved. Certainly digital is more convenient in the current world ... if all we had were CDs the convenience advantages would not be as great. But that's not the case today.

I don't mind a little inconvenience if the reward proves worthwhile, so flipping vinyl is not, to me, a detriment I'm not willing to suffer, just like how I enjoy my older, electronic-nanny free, manual transmission car. But I would not want to give up modern washers and dryers and go back to slapping my jeans against rocks. Horses for courses.

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #89 on: 22 May 2017, 12:07 pm »
And you are one of the guys that hang out at AS. :)
Yep personal friends with many there, so I have access to many a SOTA analog source systems, but unlike many, am cognizant of personal preference not being absolute.
I also am able to comprehend what a true "analog vs digital" comparison would entail, hence me spelling it out. I've heard some analog/vinyl that sound better than the corresponding digital (often CD) release and vice versa. I've also seen the results of the true test myself.
So I don't come up with false dichotomies and absurd objective "reasons" (sawtooth, "fatigue", etc) for preferring one or the other. I can enjoy both without psychogenic drama.
YMMV.

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #90 on: 22 May 2017, 12:19 pm »
I've heard digital recordings suppressed to the level of vinyl and still sound better,can anyone tell me why?
They dont have tricks and pops surface noises imo.

I.Greyhound Fan

Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #91 on: 22 May 2017, 02:32 pm »
Yep personal friends with many there, so I have access to many a SOTA analog source systems, but unlike many, am cognizant of personal preference not being absolute.
I also am able to comprehend what a true "analog vs digital" comparison would entail, hence me spelling it out. I've heard some analog/vinyl that sound better than the corresponding digital (often CD) release and vice versa. I've also seen the results of the true test myself.
So I don't come up with false dichotomies and absurd objective "reasons" (sawtooth, "fatigue", etc) for preferring one or the other. I can enjoy both without psychogenic drama.
YMMV.

No drama for me, just others creating it.  I am just stating  my preferences.  I too have heard the same recordings that sound better on vinyl and visa versa.   For me, it is not about chasing the last bit if detail and resolution that digital can give any more.  I have been there and done that.  Vinyl just sounds different and is more pleasing to me and I am not saying one is better than the other just that they are different. I could care less about measurements and spec's.  Digital has more pluses than minuses compared to vinyl.

Enough said, I'm out :thumb:

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #92 on: 22 May 2017, 03:50 pm »
Is chicken really inferior to beef?
Is white wine really inferior to red wine?
Is prose really inferior to poetry?
Are brunettes really inferior to blondes?
Is solid state really inferior to tubes?
Is copper really inferior to silver?
Is Ferrari really inferior to Lamborghini?
Is monopole really inferior to dipole?
Is Nikon really inferior to Canon?

What else can you come up with?   :icon_twisted:
 

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #93 on: 22 May 2017, 03:59 pm »
Is chicken really inferior to beef?
No, chicken can be easily cut with a straight continuous blade, while beef usually requires a sawtooth edge.
Chicken better

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #94 on: 22 May 2017, 06:46 pm »
  No , no and no. Just depends what digital source one is using. Yes yes and yes when premiere analog is used over inexpensive digital. So yes and no just depends on components used.



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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #95 on: 22 May 2017, 06:50 pm »
Is chicken really inferior to beef?
Nope.

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Is white wine really inferior to red wine?
water please

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Is prose really inferior to poetry?
yes

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Are brunettes really inferior to blondes?
Hell NO!

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Is solid state really inferior to tubes?
Nope

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Is copper really inferior to silver?
Nope

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Is Ferrari really inferior to Lamborghini?
My experience says no

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Is monopole really inferior to dipole?
Definitely not

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Is Nikon really inferior to Canon?
You mean Canon inferior to Nikon?  Yes!

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What else can you come up with?   :icon_twisted:
These are my opinions based on years of "research".    :P

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #96 on: 22 May 2017, 07:12 pm »
Nope.
water please
yes
Hell NO!
Nope
Nope
My experience says no
Definitely not
You mean Canon inferior to Nikon?  Yes!
These are my opinions based on years of "research".    :P

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #97 on: 22 May 2017, 07:13 pm »
No, chicken can be easily cut with a straight continuous blade, while beef usually requires a sawtooth edge.
Chicken better

  AJ beef needs no special blade. Well good beef anyway. Cut mine with my fork.


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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #98 on: 22 May 2017, 07:47 pm »
Is chicken really inferior to beef?
Is white wine really inferior to red wine?
Is prose really inferior to poetry?
Are brunettes really inferior to blondes?
Is solid state really inferior to tubes?
Is copper really inferior to silver?
Is Ferrari really inferior to Lamborghini?
Is monopole really inferior to dipole?
Is Nikon really inferior to Canon?

What else can you come up with?   :icon_twisted:

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Re: Is digital really inferior to analog?
« Reply #99 on: 22 May 2017, 08:35 pm »
  AJ beef needs no special blade. Well good beef anyway. Cut mine with my fork.
Yeah but 3 guys on the chicken forum said chicken is better, so chicken is better. Beef makes people dizzy and fatigued. It's a fact.
Just a huge coincidence that I prefer chicken as well.