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Title: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2012, 06:03 pm
Hi Folks,

Bryston Model T's..... getting ready for the Toronto Show  :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68252)

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Ron D on 24 Sep 2012, 08:18 pm
Passive, Active or one of each?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2012, 08:19 pm
Passive, Active or one of each?

One of each - I am back into MONO. :P

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Ron D on 24 Sep 2012, 08:38 pm
sorry, left off the word "pair"..... :oops:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2012, 08:42 pm
Hi Ron,

Yes we will have samples of the Passive, Signature and Active Model T's there as well as the Center Channel - the new 3-way Model T MINI, the on-wall and in-wall as well as the powered Sub.

Also have a couple of new Bryston electronic products to show.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: PRELUDE on 24 Sep 2012, 09:22 pm

  Also have a couple of new Bryston electronic products to show.

James
Hi James,
Is there any chance to listen to the zone amp D250Z at the show?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Sep 2012, 12:17 am
Hi James,
Is there any chance to listen to the zone amp D250Z at the show?

No sorry - it is really designed for Zone applications.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: mkaiser on 25 Sep 2012, 01:47 am
They look great James, best of luck at the show.  :P
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Stu Pitt on 25 Sep 2012, 06:53 pm
What new electronics are you planning to show?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Sep 2012, 07:46 pm
What new electronics are you planning to show?

I would have to kill you if I say  :lol:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Vipers on 25 Sep 2012, 09:44 pm
I would have to kill you if I say  :lol:

james

Now that's an interesting comment James, does that mean we have some exciting news to look forward to, saying that I can't imagine you've had a lot of time for much else with all the time the Model T's must have taken up.

Have a great show, can't wait to hear the feedback from the guys at the show who actually get to heat the Model T's, lucky sods :)
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Stu Pitt on 26 Sep 2012, 12:27 am
I would have to kill you if I say  :lol:

james


These days, I'm worth more dead than alive...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: vegasdave on 27 Sep 2012, 04:48 pm
Cool!
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Sep 2012, 03:30 am
Hi Guys,

Some shots of the Bryston demo room Taves 2012:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68379)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68380)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68381)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68382)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68383)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68384)


Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Anonamemouse on 28 Sep 2012, 06:55 am
(scanning pictures for new goodies...)

Do... I... spot a... BDPDA1?!?!

(Does happydance!!!)

:bounce:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Sep 2012, 11:17 am
(scanning pictures for new goodies...)

Do... I... spot a... BDPDA1?!?!

(Does happydance!!!)

:bounce:

No sorry Anonamemouse - no all in one combination BDA/BDP

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: David C on 28 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
James
the room and the ModelT's look fantastic. Well done to you and the team.

David
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
James
the room and the ModelT's look fantastic. Well done to you and the team.

David

Thanks David :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 28 Sep 2012, 05:30 pm
Don't forget to check out our new prototype cd transport
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: BrysTony on 28 Sep 2012, 05:55 pm
Don't forget to check out our new prototype cd transport

 :drool:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: PRELUDE on 28 Sep 2012, 07:49 pm

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OK,folks
I will post the report right here as far James got ahead of me this year and start the thread.He must be very happy and proud of his new speakers. :thumb:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: redbook on 28 Sep 2012, 08:04 pm
  James ..nice show. By the way are those director's chairs available again? :thumb:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: patrickm on 28 Sep 2012, 08:25 pm
Nice.  Good to see that Altronics Stereo 2000 have a display there, I've purchased several components from Rob/Ron... always enthusiastic and knowledgeable.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Laundrew on 29 Sep 2012, 12:48 am
Nice.  Good to see that Altronics Stereo 2000 have a display there, I've purchased several components from Rob/Ron... always enthusiastic and knowledgeable.

Agreed  :thumb:

I purchased my entire system from Ron and Rob, I have not dropped in on them for quite a while and I must diffinately rectify this.

Be well...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: PRELUDE on 29 Sep 2012, 01:16 am

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Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: PRELUDE on 29 Sep 2012, 03:11 am

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Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: mr_bill on 29 Sep 2012, 05:03 pm
What are the new bryston electronics being shown?!
How do the model Ts sound?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: rmurray on 29 Sep 2012, 05:36 pm
  You mean Bryston brought out a CD transport.? :scratch:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Ron D on 29 Sep 2012, 06:45 pm
The Model T's (passive version) sounded great given the very large space they were in and the ambient noise of a well attended room. While I didn't confirm the source was the new BDA-2 it was a Bryston DAC/BDP-1 combo at the front end. 28B's and a BP-26 with a Bryston BIT (did not note the model) in play.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: bobNL on 29 Sep 2012, 08:07 pm
As I have the BCD-1 a new transport would not be important news to me (unless it does SACD  :P ).

But as I have just ordered a BDA-1 it would be disappointing if I were to mis the BDA-2 by a couple of days/weeks/months.  :(

Is there any truth in this, or are we having our legs pulled?  :lol:

Cheers,
Bob

Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Ron D on 29 Sep 2012, 08:11 pm
Bob - Unfortunately I left the BDA-2 brochure in my brother's car and I cannot confirm it was on static display nor was the DAC playing but there was official paperwork on it. Based on a cursory glance at it the only change I noticed was that they moved away from the Dual Crystal chips to dual AKM 32 bit chips, everything else looked to be the same.

I am sure that James will chime in at some point in time...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: bobNL on 29 Sep 2012, 08:13 pm
He invariably does, but thanks for the quick relpy!
Bob
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 12:44 am
Robert Duetsch - STEREOPHILE MAGAZINE

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68632)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68633)

One of the rooms I was most eager to visit was Bryston's. At the last Montreal show (SSI 2012), Bryston introduced their first entry into the loudspeaker market: the Model T, designed by James Tanner, Bryston's VP Sales and Marketing, with help from driver manufacturer Axiom Audio. The speaker was on passive display, Tanner saying that he was still tweaking the design of the drivers. The advance publicity for TAVES 2012 was that the Model T would be demonstrated at the show.

Whenever I hear about a manufacturer of one kind of audio product, eg, electronics, introducing a very different kind of audio product, eg, a loudspeaker, I tend to have my doubts about the viability of the enterprise—it makes me think of the saying about the cobbler sticking to his last. But I know Bryston to be a conservative manufacturer—not in the political sense, but in the sense of not rushing into something in an impulsive way—and I know that Tanner has been in this game for a long time, and that he's a good listener.

The Model T that I heard at TAVES 2012 was very impressive indeed, with startling high-level dynamics (claimed maximum SPL is 118dB SPL at 1 meter, and I believe it), and powerful bass. The Model T is actually available in three versions: one with internal passive crossover ($6495/pair), the Model T signature with external passive crossover ($7495/pair), and a version with active crossover ($9495/pair), which was the one being demonstrated. (ED - Actually it was the Passive Model T $6495 being demonstrated)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68634)

Bryston's Model T is the flagship of an entire line of speakers. There's a very serious-looking center channel (pictured), a smaller stand-mounted speaker called the Model T Mini ($2,550) and some wall-mounted speakers.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 12:54 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68658)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68635)

Haurock 

TAVES - Day 1 report.
_______________________________________ _
First day of TAVES audio show is now complete and what a revealing day it was!

There were two shockers today.

First, was Bryston new line of speakers.

These things are awesome!!!  

Talk about sound stage, dynamics, base, clarity. James Tanner was on hand and I did spend a few minutes talking with him about this new endeavour and it was a complete eye opener. Anyone looking for some new speakers MUST add these to their audition list. I'm going back tomorrow to listen some more, but,  I am awestruck.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Laundrew on 30 Sep 2012, 02:06 am
Thanks for posting all of the awesome photographs from the show PRELUDE  :thumb:

Be well...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Ron D on 30 Sep 2012, 02:13 am
Confirmed that the source was the new BDA-2 and the also new BDP-2.

From Soundstage - "Bryston also showed their $2395 BDA-2 digital-to-analog converter, which now supports resolutions up to 24/192 via USB, and $2995 BDP-2 digital player, which is said to feature several significant improvements over their popular BDP-1 model."
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Guy 13 on 30 Sep 2012, 02:17 am

Hi all Audio Circle members.

It would have been easy for me to go to th Toronto show,
if I was living in Montreal,
but unfortunately,
I am now in Vietnam.

Thanks to whoever posted all the nice picures taken at the show,
it a good compromise instead of being there.

Thanks again.

Guiy 13
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: PRELUDE on 30 Sep 2012, 02:47 am
You are very welcome folks. :thumb:
I parked my car in my friend's driveway and took the subway to downtown to avoid the traffic and parking.Now that was a nice idea but It was not fun when I find out I left my battery for camera in the car. :oops: :duh:
So I had to get back to the car and back to the show.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: alexone on 30 Sep 2012, 02:51 am
...yes, a BIG thank you for all these pictures and great news :thumb: well done, guys.

al.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Alpha10 on 30 Sep 2012, 07:28 am
Confirmed that the source was the new BDA-2 and the also new BDP-2.

From Soundstage - "Bryston also showed their $2395 BDA-2 digital-to-analog converter, which now supports resolutions up to 24/192 via USB, and $2995 BDP-2 digital player, which is said to feature several significant improvements over their popular BDP-1 model."

James are going going to be able to post some details on all this surprise new kit soon???

Cheers
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 09:23 am
James are going going to be able to post some details on all this surprise new kit soon???

Cheers

Hi

Will do.

James
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 10:06 am
Soundstage Magazine Report Bryston Model T Speaker at Toronto Audio Show

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=270:the-model-t-balls-to-the-wall-bryston&catid=91:taves-2012-general&Itemid=339

james

Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 10:10 am
Shot of the MINI T (plus prototype powered sub) at the Toronto show.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68651)


james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 10:45 am
New BDA-2 (BDA-1 stays in the line)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68652)

$2395 List USA

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 10:46 am
New BDP-2 (BDP-1 stays in the line)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68653)

$2995 List US

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Anonamemouse on 30 Sep 2012, 11:45 am
Can we download the full image or PDF somewhere?
Can you give more detail?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 11:57 am
Can we download the full image or PDF somewhere?
Can you give more detail?

Hi,

Have not posted the PDF on the website yet but email me Anonamemouse and I will send it.

jamestanner@bryston.com

james

PS - will be at the show today
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: TomS on 30 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
James,

What are the additional features of the BDP-2 over BDP-1?

Tom
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 12:03 pm
James,

What are the additional features of the BDP-2 over BDP-1?

Tom


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68657)
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: TomS on 30 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm
Thanks. The other one was too tiny on my laptop, even with my mega-reading glasses  :oops:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Sep 2012, 12:22 pm
Thanks. The other one was too tiny on my laptop, even with my mega-reading glasses  :oops:

OK email me and I will send you the PDF

jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: adol290 on 30 Sep 2012, 02:25 pm
Man,

I must have the worst timing ever.

Just received my BDP-1 and SP3 yesterday.

Opened it up, gave it a spin, and then came to this board and read about the BDP-2  :duh:

If I would have known about this I would have waited.   :(
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: bobNL on 30 Sep 2012, 02:51 pm
Hi James,

For my order I could still be just in time, my local dealer was unaware of the updated version or he would certainly have allerted me. Is the list price the same and can an order be switched from bdp-1 to bdp-2? :roll:

Also could you say a few words on the bda-2, its seems tot use a different dac chipset. Is there a sonic difference as compared to the bda-1, or just the high bitrate of the usb port?

Thanks,
bob
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Alpha10 on 30 Sep 2012, 03:39 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68657)

Thanks James, very interesting, does the bdp2 use the same sound card, in other words how does the sound quality differ, if at all?

Cheers

Ps we are going to need some new threads aren't we?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: klao on 30 Sep 2012, 04:46 pm
Any or both of them (BPD2 & BDA2) do native DSD playback, James?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 12:46 am
Hi James,

For my order I could still be just in time, my local dealer was unaware of the updated version or he would certainly have allerted me. Is the list price the same and can an order be switched from bdp-1 to bdp-2? :roll:

Also could you say a few words on the bda-2, its seems tot use a different dac chipset. Is there a sonic difference as compared to the bda-1, or just the high bitrate of the usb port?

Thanks,
bob

Hi Bob,

The BDP-2 is $2995 - vs the BDP-1 at $2195.

Yes it is a different mother board and different power supply as well (same sound card)  - it is really a beefed up BDP-1

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 12:47 am
Thanks James, very interesting, does the bdp2 use the same sound card, in other words how does the sound quality differ, if at all?

Cheers

Ps we are going to need some new threads aren't we?

Yes same Juli@ sound card.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 12:47 am
Any or both of them (BPD2 & BDA2) do native DSD playback, James?

The Chip set in the BDA2 is capable of DSD but the software is not done yet.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 02:37 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68702)

Bryston!!!!!!

I ended up visiting this room 4 times I think over 3 days...

Here is what I think. First, I think James did an excellent marketing coup by getting possibly the best room at the venue. Bryston, easily had the largest room and they had most if not all their gear there. Obviously, this was strategically done to launch their new speaker, and what a launch!! I am still awestruck by what I heard. These new speakers are simply sonically phenomenal. It will be hard to get a pair... I think Bryston may need to employ a new shift of workers... they are THAT good..

I ran into some people in a couple of other rooms..and in just mentioning speakers, I would ask if they'd heard the new Bryston speaker.. everyone I spoke to said.. AMAZING..!!

On a personal note, I spoke several times with James Tanner and I must admit I truly enjoyed our encounters, not having met James before and only relying what I had read here on AA, I knew he was quite the gentleman and a very down to earth individual, but words don't do justice here. It only took a few moments to be able to share laughs and just have a great time together...

Oh.. and today.. my wife was with me at the show.. and concurred these are indeed good... she jokingly said, the sound doesn't appear to be coming from inside a bucket!!!.. So these are WAF approuved!...

Ohh.. MSRP.... $6500..... A true STEAL.. get yours before the price... jumps!!! (just kidding James!!!)

This was for me.. the best of TAVES.. and fully deserves...  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68703)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68705)



Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: cheap-Jack on 1 Oct 2012, 03:24 am
Hi.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68657)

Bad news for stereo-only music lovers, like yrs truly. There is NO, repeat, zip analogue stereo O/P jacks to provide HD stereo music for my all-tube stereo system.

Sorry I am not a movie fan nor a PC digital music goer!

c-J
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Alpha10 on 1 Oct 2012, 05:37 am
Yes same Juli@ sound card.

james

Thank you James ( and for the PDFs) the future option slot looks interesting?

Cheers
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: whanafi on 1 Oct 2012, 07:00 am
Man,

I must have the worst timing ever.

Just received my BDP-1 and SP3 yesterday.

Opened it up, gave it a spin, and then came to this board and read about the BDP-2  :duh:

If I would have known about this I would have waited.   :(

Damn I haven't even taken delivery of my BDP-1 yet (sitting at the store waiting to be picked up) and the replacement is out. 

With the size of my music collection, I am sure the BDP-2 would be able to handle the data base better. 

James, any way to square this?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: RonCH on 1 Oct 2012, 08:33 am
New BDP-2 (BDP-1 stays in the line)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68653)

$2995 List US

james

What were/are the list prices of the BDA-1 and BDP-1 in the US?

Regards

Ron
 
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: RonCH on 1 Oct 2012, 08:34 am
And any news on the CD transport prototype?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
What were/are the list prices of the BDA-1 and BDP-1 in the US?

Regards

Ron

Hi Ron,

Both are $2195

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 10:01 am
And any news on the CD transport prototype?

Hi Ron,

No CD transport planned at this point.  We are looking at adding a CD optical drive to be used with our BDP-2 Digital player.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Alpha10 on 1 Oct 2012, 10:06 am
Hi Ron,

No CD transport planned at this point.  We are looking at adding a CD optical drive to be used with our BDP-2 Digital player.

james

James given the direction of travel, have you guys reconsidered the viability of a Bryston Drive Enclosure to go with the BDP2/Optical?

Cheers
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 10:13 am
James given the direction of travel, have you guys reconsidered the viability of a Bryston Drive Enclosure to go with the BDP2/Optical?

Cheers

We sure have and when we demonstrated it at the Toronto the show it was interesting.  Most said they saw it as a viable option because there are times when they just want to listen to a CD.  The other advantage is you are listening to the CD in memory through the BDP-2 and that has advantages.

That being said we are still evaluating.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: bobNL on 1 Oct 2012, 10:21 am
Hi James,

Many thanks for the pdf's!

Does the new chipset improve the sonic performance of the BDA-2 compared to the BDA-1, or is it just the increased versatility?

Is pricing similar (will both be offered, or is BDA-1 replaced) ?

Thanks,
Bob

Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 10:28 am
Hi James,

Many thanks for the pdf's!

Does the new chipset improve the sonic performance of the BDA-2 compared to the BDA-1, or is it just the increased versatility?

Is pricing similar (will both be offered, or is BDA-1 replaced) ?

Thanks,
Bob

Hi Bob,

The new AKM chips preform at about the same level but 32 bits seems to be the new direction so we feel it is the better option going forward.

The prices are close ($200) but my intention is to leave the BDA-1 in the line because unless you want to use your laptop computer into the BDA (because the new USB has asynchronous 192/24 capability) there is no need to spend the extra money.  Also if you are using the BDA-1 with our BDP digital player there is no need for the BDA 2.

As well we will be releasing a USB Interface for BDA-1 owners which will allow them to use the new USB 192/24 feature with their BDA-1.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: RonCH on 1 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
We sure have and when we demonstrated it at the Toronto the show it was interesting.  Most said they saw it as a viable option because there are times when they just want to listen to a CD.  The other advantage is you are listening to the CD in memory through the BDP-2 and that has advantages.

That being said we are still evaluating.

james

Do you have a picture of the Transport?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
Do you have a picture of the Transport?

Hi Ron

Will try to get one - Chris Rice developed it and he's been hogging it  :nono:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: adol290 on 1 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
James,

When will my dealer be able to order the new BDP-2...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 12:21 pm
James,

When will my dealer be able to order the new BDP-2...

Hoping to start production at the end of October but foolishly I showed it and used it at the Toronto Show and the backorders are piling up  :duh:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: mrhyfy on 1 Oct 2012, 01:22 pm
Darn customers,,always wanting to buy stuff!!
 :D
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Marius on 1 Oct 2012, 03:00 pm
HI James,

What about the 'writing on the wall' you quoted so often? Has it disappeared? You were kind of strong in believing optical drives where to disappear soon, stopped the BCD1, and now come with these new developments, that seem to take the BDP2 (and 1 through its software) to a whole new road previously stated as 'dead' or at least soon to become extinct.

Marius

 
Hi Ron

Will try to get one - Chris Rice developed it and he's been hogging it  :nono:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 03:20 pm
HI James,

What about the 'writing on the wall' you quoted so often? Has it disappeared? You were kind of strong in believing optical drives where to disappear soon, stopped the BCD1, and now come with these new developments, that seem to take the BDP2 (and 1 through its software) to a whole new road previously stated as 'dead' or at least soon to become extinct.

Marius

Hi Marius - this optical drive could only be used with the BDP-2.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 03:22 pm
Darn customers,,always wanting to buy stuff!!
 :D

Hi mrhyfy

Customers are number one with me - here is a copy of a sign I have hanging in my office:

What is a Customer?

•   A Customer is the most important person in this company.

•   A customer does not depend on us; we are dependent on them.

•   A customer is not an interruption of our work; they are the purpose of that work.

•   We are not doing the customer a favour by serving them; they are doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to meet their needs.

•   A customer is not someone to argue or match wits with – nobody ever wins an argument with a customer.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Marius on 1 Oct 2012, 03:30 pm
HI James,

What I wanted to ask you is what the reason for this new interest for optical drives is, so strong to influence the design of the new BDP2, whereas before you stated that CD's were to disappear, or a tleast were of no future business-interest for Bryston, and stop the BCD1?

Marius

Hi Marius - this optical drive could only be used with the BDP-2.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 04:04 pm
HI James,

What I wanted to ask you is what the reason for this new interest for optical drives is, so strong to influence the design of the new BDP2, whereas before you stated that CD's were to disappear, or a tleast were of no future business-interest for Bryston, and stop the BCD1?

Marius

The optical drive for the BDP-2 only came up about 2 weeks ago when Chris mentioned he could easily integrate it into the BDP-2. 

So we assembled a unit and took it to the Toronto Show to get feedback.  I agree most customers will rip their music to a USB drive anyway but some felt that there were still a number of customers that want to just listen to a specific CD. Just a fishing trip at this point.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 05:01 pm
Here's a pic of the Optical Drive we used at the show - width is a bit larger than a CD


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68720)
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: JfTM on 1 Oct 2012, 05:36 pm
Hey James,

Any chance Bryston could do a comparison chart between the BDP-1 and 2, and the BDA-1 and 2?  Like the compare button on many retailer sites.

It would help those of us who have the 1's or are in the market to decide which makes more sense to buy, or if an upgrade is warranted.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: jtwrace on 1 Oct 2012, 05:45 pm
•   A customer does not depend on us; we are dependent on him.

•   A customer is not an interruption of our work; he is the purpose of that work.

•   We are not doing the customer a favour by serving him; he is doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to meet his needs.
Time to update the he / him with he / she.   :wink:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 06:04 pm
Time to update the he / him with he / she.   :wink:

Politically correct  it is - will do.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Marius on 1 Oct 2012, 07:22 pm
a nice drive is already on the market:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-superdrive (http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/2897/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MD564?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp), already in the rack too..... in combination with the Apple Mini.  Or wouldn't that one do?

btw,  it wouldn't be possible to use the BCD1?
Marius



Here's a pic of the Optical Drive we used at the show - width is a bit larger than a CD


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68720)
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2012, 07:31 pm
a nice drive is already on the market:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-superdrive (http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/2897/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MD564?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp), already in the rack too..... in combination with the Apple Mini.  Or wouldn't that one do?

btw,  it wouldn't be possible to use the BCD1?
Marius

No the BDP-1 does not have enough memory to run the Optical Drive. I do not know if the BCD-1 CD player could be used - I will ask Chris.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Vipers on 1 Oct 2012, 08:54 pm
Hi James,

It's certainly been an interesting couple of days in the land of Bryston with some great new products to look forward too, quick question, were both the BDP-2 and BDA-2 on show at Toronto? and when can we expect both these products to start shipping?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: sfraser on 1 Oct 2012, 09:15 pm
Hey James, are you guys/gals in a position to discuss the addition of NAS functionality in the BDP-2? Or is that still being worked out?

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2012, 01:02 am
Hi Marius,

It's also a gateway to digital medium for those who may still be Intimidated by computers.  A bdp-2 with this drive will work remarkably identical (but not exactly the same) as a CD player.  When the customer is ready to do away with his collection of cd's, he/she already has everything they need to move to a digital medium.  All for the same price of a bcd-1 when it was in production.

Finally it should sound just as good as a bdp-1, regardless if the source is a drive or a cd.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2012, 01:17 am
Hi All,

We introduced NAS support in August for the bdp-1, the bdp-2 will ship with the same firmware as the bdp-1.  Intact, for the foreseeable future both versions of the bdp will run the same software.  Much like iPhones run the same version of iOS, bdp's will follow a similar philosophy.

As for the comparison the bdp-1 shipped with a 2amp power supply and a main board containing a 500mhz AMD Geode CPU with 256 MB RAM.

The bdp-2's power supply has been bumped up to 10amps (for those who want to plug in a half dozen USB powered hard drives).  It's main board is capable of powering 5-6 hard drives (we have tested an assortment of drives rAnging from 400mA to a full amp).  1600 MHz Intel Atom CPU with 2048 MB of RAM.  Room for an internal 2.5" data hdd/ssd, USB 3.0 upgrade path is available, esata (none powered).

Both units still contain the same sound card, so same sound.

Think BDP-1, but with more power under the bonnet

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: myview on 2 Oct 2012, 06:01 am
Hi Chris,

I am using the BDP-1 now.  I have a fairly large music collection, about 4TB and still growing.  I am still in the process of organising the files and putting them on 2.5 inch portable hard-disks.  So far, I have 2 x 1TB drives plugged into the back of the BDP-1, one being completely full and the other one about half full.  To add music, I prefer to unplug the drives from the BDP-1, add the files and plug it back into the BDP-1 (copying files through the network is excruciatingly slow in my environment).

A few issues:
1) when music files are added, the updating takes a long long long time
2) sometimes, after 1) above, the updating seems to be completed but the BDP-1 hangs and I have to switch off the BDP-1 and restart 1) with no certainty of the end result
3) I hope to one day connect my entire music collection to the BDP-1 but am concerned that either it cannot power hard-drives of 2TB and above or I cannot stick as many 1TB drives as I'd like to (I have tried connecting a powered USB hub to one of the slots at the back so I could connect a few more hard drives.  Results were kind of inconsistent - sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.  Refer back to issue 1) & 2) above.

I attribute the above to the BDP-1 being "under-powered" (for lack of a better word) or that it was never intended to handle large music collection.

With the BDP-2 being "BDP-1 on steroids", I am hoping that all the above issues will be solved.  Do you think so?

2 more questions on the BDP-2:

1) I read that the 2 USB 3.0 port can be added later as an upgrade.  Can these 2 USB 3.0 ports be added before the unit leaves the factory so customers can save the fuss of adding them later.

2) Can Bryston offer the option of a version with the HDD/SSD added?  (Instead of customers buying the HDD/SSD and sending it to the Bryston factory and have it installed - not convenient especially for customers not resident in Canada)

Thank you



Hi All,

We introduced NAS support in August for the bdp-1, the bdp-2 will ship with the same firmware as the bdp-1.  Intact, for the foreseeable future both versions of the bdp will run the same software.  Much like iPhones run the same version of iOS, bdp's will follow a similar philosophy.

As for the comparison the bdp-1 shipped with a 2amp power supply and a main board containing a 500mhz AMD Geode CPU with 256 MB RAM.

The bdp-2's power supply has been bumped up to 10amps (for those who want to plug in a half dozen USB powered hard drives).  It's main board is capable of powering 5-6 hard drives (we have tested an assortment of drives rAnging from 400mA to a full amp).  1600 MHz Intel Atom CPU with 2048 MB of RAM.  Room for an internal 2.5" data hdd/ssd, USB 3.0 upgrade path is available, esata (none powered).

Both units still contain the same sound card, so same sound.

Think BDP-1, but with more power under the bonnet

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Marius on 2 Oct 2012, 06:43 am
HI James, Chris,

When the bdp1 was developed, and we asked for 192 USb support, networksupport, more power, etc etc, you replied that the designfilosophy was to have the bdp1 as stripped down as possible and as uninterfered by all external noise-causing issues and techniques as possible, and usb192 (given your BDP1 playing those), usb3 we're not necessary, so a waste of resources.

Now we can see you even consider installing an internal moving! drive, and a double gigabit network interface . Talking about noise issues...
How come you left your own design principles?

Not even mentioning the fact that updating so soon after the initial release of the bdp1 is making that, like all other computers before, now practically worthless in terms of tradein........ Another aspect we have to start considering buying expensive Bryston gear?..  :cry:

don't get me wrong, please don't take offense, you know I feel strongly about getting up to date, both the BDP1, and most certainly the BDA1. With the latter especially, I can't stop wondering you don't go far enough, delivering us only native 32 bit and 192 USb support compared to the BDA1 . Still no dsd or hdmi deembedding, which would make it a bit more up to date. The updates in the BDA2 seem already behind current state of the art, just as the bda1 was without the 192 usb support. Unless the design isn't definitive of course, and, like the bdp2-drive, is still on its way to final design. Which I sincerely hope.

thanks,
Marius

Hi All,

We introduced NAS support in August for the bdp-1, the bdp-2 will ship with the same firmware as the bdp-1.  In, for the foreseeable future both versions of the bdp will run the same software.  Much like iPhones run the same version of iOS, bdp's will follow a similar philosophy.

As for the comparison the bdp-1 shipped with a 2amp power supply and a main board containing a 500mhz AMD Geode CPU with 256 MB RAM.

The bdp-2's power supply has been bumped up to 10amps (for those who want to plug in a half dozen USB powered hard drives).  It's main board is capable of powering 5-6 hard drives (we have tested an assortment of drives rAnging from 400mA to a full amp).  1600 MHz Intel Atom CPU with 2048 MB of RAM.  Room for an internal 2.5" data hdd/ssd, USB 3.0 upgrade path is available, esata (none powered).

Both units still contain the same sound card, so same sound.

Think BDP-1, but with more power under the bonnet

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 10:25 am
HI James, Chris,

When the bdp1 was developed, and we asked for 192 USb support, networksupport, more power, etc etc, you replied that the designfilosophy was to have the bdp1 as stripped down as possible and as uninterfered by all external noise-causing issues and techniques as possible, and usb192 (given your BDP1 playing those), usb3 we're not necessary, so a waste of resources.

Now we can see you even consider installing an internal moving! drive, and a double gigabit network interface . Talking about noise issues...
How come you left your own design principles?

Not even mentioning the fact that updating so soon after the initial release of the bdp1 is making that, like all other computers before, now practically worthless in terms of tradein........ Another aspect we have to start considering buying expensive Bryston gear?..  :cry:

don't get me wrong, please don't take offense, you know I feel strongly about getting up to date, both the BDP1, and most certainly the BDA1. With the latter especially, I can't stop wondering you don't go far enough, delivering us only native 32 bit and 192 USb support compared to the BDA1 . Still no dsd or hdmi deembedding, which would make it a bit more up to date. The updates in the BDA2 seem already behind current state of the art, just as the bda1 was without the 192 usb support. Unless the design isn't definitive of course, and, like the bdp2-drive, is still on its way to final design. Which I sincerely hope.

thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius

We would recommend a Solid State Drive for the BDP-2 not a rotary drive for the noise issues you mentioned.

It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product. The BDP -2 was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata , internal harddrive, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purest" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software).  We will be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 capability. 


James
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
Hi James,

It's certainly been an interesting couple of days in the land of Bryston with some great new products to look forward too, quick question, were both the BDP-2 and BDA-2 on show at Toronto? and when can we expect both these products to start shipping?

Thanks.

Hi Vipers,

We hope the beginning to middle of November - please see my answer to Marius above on how the BDA-2 and BDP-2 came about.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Marius on 2 Oct 2012, 11:04 am
Ok great James,

Thanks for your sincere answer!

Last one: you mention the new AKM chips. Would they be in the usb converter too, so we could play dsd over that small box?

Marius

Hi Marius

We would recommend a Solid State Drive for the BDP-2 not a rotary drive for the noise issues you mentioned.

It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product. The BDP -2 was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata , internal harddrive, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purest" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software).  We will be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 capability. 


James
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
Ok great James,

Thanks for your sincere answer!

Last one: you mention the new AKM chips. Would they be in the usb converter too, so we could play dsd over that small box?

Marius

Not sure on that will ask.

james
Title: BDP-2
Post by: whanafi on 2 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
Hi James,

I ordered a BDP-1 at the end of August once the NAS support was announced.  I haven't even taken delivery of my BDP-1 yet (sitting at the store waiting to be picked up)
and the replacement is out.

With the size of my music collection ( > 1.5TB), I am sure the BDP-2 would be able to handle the data base better.

James, any way to square this?
Title: Re: BDP-2
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 11:41 am
Hi James,

I ordered a BDP-1 at the end of August once the NAS support was announced.  I haven't even taken delivery of my BDP-1 yet (sitting at the store waiting to be picked up)
and the replacement is out.

With the size of my music collection ( > 1.5TB), I am sure the BDP-2 would be able to handle the data base better.

James, any way to square this?

Check with the distributor and they will contact our export manger - remember the BDP-2 will be 1/3 more.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 12:01 pm
Hey James, are you guys/gals in a position to discuss the addition of NAS functionality in the BDP-2? Or is that still being worked out?

Cheers,

Scott

Hi Scott

It will connect to a NAS the same as the BDP-1 - was there more to the question?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: sfraser on 2 Oct 2012, 03:59 pm
Hi James, when you and Chris mention NAS support, do you mean the BDPX can now connect as a "client"  to a networked NAS located else ware on the  Ethernet network?

For instance I have Ubuntu (linux) server at home acting as my multimedia server. I have all my video and FLAC music content located on this  server.  My video STB's can access the video and photo content using NFS or SMB client protocol over my Gigabit home Ethernet network . Of course the server is also running Logitech Squeeze Server Service which my  squeezebox's access via another TCP based protocol. However the music content could also be accessed via the previous mentioned NFS or SMB protocols by any "client" device that supports them. This is something i have been waiting for on the BDP. It also sounds like you added some additional buffering capability when reading  content from a directly connected disc drive? That buffer capability may lend itself well to NFS/SMB client support ; )

Thanks Guys,

Scott
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2012, 04:05 pm
Hi Chris,

I am using the BDP-1 now.  I have a fairly large music collection, about 4TB and still growing.  I am still in the process of organising the files and putting them on 2.5 inch portable hard-disks.  So far, I have 2 x 1TB drives plugged into the back of the BDP-1, one being completely full and the other one about half full.  To add music, I prefer to unplug the drives from the BDP-1, add the files and plug it back into the BDP-1 (copying files through the network is excruciatingly slow in my environment).

A few issues:
1) when music files are added, the updating takes a long long long time
2) sometimes, after 1) above, the updating seems to be completed but the BDP-1 hangs and I have to switch off the BDP-1 and restart 1) with no certainty of the end result
3) I hope to one day connect my entire music collection to the BDP-1 but am concerned that either it cannot power hard-drives of 2TB and above or I cannot stick as many 1TB drives as I'd like to (I have tried connecting a powered USB hub to one of the slots at the back so I could connect a few more hard drives.  Results were kind of inconsistent - sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.  Refer back to issue 1) & 2) above.

I attribute the above to the BDP-1 being "under-powered" (for lack of a better word) or that it was never intended to handle large music collection.

With the BDP-2 being "BDP-1 on steroids", I am hoping that all the above issues will be solved.  Do you think so?

2 more questions on the BDP-2:

1) I read that the 2 USB 3.0 port can be added later as an upgrade.  Can these 2 USB 3.0 ports be added before the unit leaves the factory so customers can save the fuss of adding them later.

2) Can Bryston offer the option of a version with the HDD/SSD added?  (Instead of customers buying the HDD/SSD and sending it to the Bryston factory and have it installed - not convenient especially for customers not resident in Canada)

Thank you

Hi Myview,

It sounds like you may benefit from making use of the NAS feature included in the newer software.  If the music is already stored on your computer simply share it over the network and then you will have no more need for USB hard drives.  The only thing I should point out is that we currently support Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS 10.6 (or older) and Linux.  Mac OS X 10.7 and newer changed there authentication mechanism and I have yet to compensate for this as of yet.

As for the hard disk/solid state drive business it is something we want to stay out of.  What i will say though is that any BDP-2 that ships without a drive will still have everything needed to receive a drive.

Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: sfraser on 2 Oct 2012, 04:14 pm
Hi Myview,

It sounds like you may benefit from making use of the NAS feature included in the newer software.  If the music is already stored on your computer simply share it over the network and then you will have no more need for USB hard drives.  The only thing I should point out is that we currently support Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS 10.6 (or older) and Linux.  Mac OS X 10.7 and newer changed there authentication mechanism and I have yet to compensate for this as of yet.

As for the hard disk/solid state drive business it is something we want to stay out of.  What i will say though is that any BDP-2 that ships without a drive will still have everything needed to receive a drive.

Chris

Thanks Chris, you have answered my previous question as well.

Scott
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: BrysTony on 2 Oct 2012, 05:02 pm
  Mac OS X 10.7 and newer changed there authentication mechanism and I have yet to compensate for this as of yet.

Chris

Chris,

That explains why I have not been able to get the NAS feature to work.  I am running OSX 10.8.2.  I had just put the problem aside for when I had more time to mess with it.  Any idea when you will have the S/W updated?

Tony
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Alpha10 on 2 Oct 2012, 07:52 pm
We sure have and when we demonstrated it at the Toronto the show it was interesting.  Most said they saw it as a viable option because there are times when they just want to listen to a CD.  The other advantage is you are listening to the CD in memory through the BDP-2 and that has advantages.

That being said we are still evaluating.

james

Sorry James my fault, I was talking about the hardrive enclosure we where discussing some months back? The topic came up again on this side of the pond, as SSDs are now so much cheaper and would seem an obvious extension to the new BDP2...

Cheers
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Anonamemouse on 2 Oct 2012, 07:53 pm
From the BDP2 PDF:
Quote
but it must be fitted by authorized personal
I hope this has not gone to the printers yet...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 08:06 pm
From the BDP2 PDF:I hope this has not gone to the printers yet...

Thanks - not yet :duh:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 3 Oct 2012, 12:40 am
Chris,

That explains why I have not been able to get the NAS feature to work.  I am running OSX 10.8.2.  I had just put the problem aside for when I had more time to mess with it.  Any idea when you will have the S/W updated?

Tony

I'm hoping to fit it into the late October update

Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: terrycym on 3 Oct 2012, 05:20 am
Hi mrhyfy

Customers are number one with me - here is a copy of a sign I have hanging in my office:

What is a Customer?

•   A Customer is the most important person in this company.

•   A customer does not depend on us; we are dependent on them.

•   A customer is not an interruption of our work; they are the purpose of that work.

•   We are not doing the customer a favour by serving them; they are doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to meet their needs.

•   A customer is not someone to argue or match wits with – nobody ever wins an argument with a customer.


Hi James,
I've been reading about the BDP-2 and it looks like everything I wish the BDP-1 had been (internal drive, more USB and Ethernet connectors with more current drive etc). What about us BDP-1 earlier adopters?How can we benefit. After all, I'm sure the BDP-2 is based to some part, on our feedback. The Drive case never did make it either.....
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
Hi James,
I've been reading about the BDP-2 and it looks like everything I wish the BDP-1 had been (internal drive, more USB and Ethernet connectors with more current drive etc). What about us BDP-1 earlier adopters?How can we benefit. After all, I'm sure the BDP-2 is based to some part, on our feedback. The Drive case never did make it either.....

Hi Terry

How do you mean 'benefit'  - if you mean we as a compny taking back BDP-1 units i am afraid that is not possible.  We have thousands of them out there and it would be devastating financially for our company. We do not work on large margins so there is not any wiggle room.

The BDP-2 is a natural evolution of the BDP-1 idea - if we were capable of building the BDP-2 when we developed the BDP-1 we certainly would have but hindsight is 20-20 as they say.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: terrycym on 3 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
I understand James, that's fair enough. Is there a possibility of adding some of the new functionality to existing BDP-1? Like the internal drive option or the increased USB current drive capability?
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 12:20 pm
I understand James, that's fair enough. Is there a possibility of adding some of the new functionality to existing BDP-1? Like the internal drive option or the increased USB current drive capability?

Hi Terry

I do not think so as that was my first question to engineering when we were talking about the concept. The upgradebility of our products is always something I take seriously (EX the new USB interface which will allow exisiting BDP-1 customers to add the USB 192/24 feature to their BDP-1) but Digital is a different animal as the technology changes so rapidly. 

So as a company I want to offer our customers the best possible performance but do not want to be bouncing from one model to another willy-nilly.  :nono:  Also recognize that some of this 'technology' is 'spec-man-ship' and is required because the customer and the market place demand it or you get left behind.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Phil A on 3 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
If it's one thing I've learned buying and selling things over the years, and I have not sold as much in recent years, merely rotating most things to a secondary system, is that digital and video technology changes more rapid than developments in your basic amps, preamps and speakers.  This type of discussion happens regularly with most digital products.  Just look at computers from a couple of years back as a guide.  It's something that needs to be considered in the purchase, not when something new comes out.  I'm happy with my BDA-1 DAC.  I didn't rush out and look for the BDP-1 (mostly since I was behind on digitizing my music).  I'll keep the BDA-1 and probably get the USB box for it and when I have stuff digitized and the BDA-2 can do DSD, I'll have no regrets at its price point, build quality and sound quality.  At one point years back, I had a $10k projector and a $7.5k DVD transport.  I sold them years back and got next to nothing for the projector.  Today, I could buy an Oppo Blu-Ray plaer for $500 and a $1,000 projector that will best it.  I also at one point many years acquired a used Micromega DAC.  When it was new in the mid-1990s, it was probably sold for around $3k.  Things change (including me 8))
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 02:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Report from Sound and Vision Magazine from the Toronto Audio Show

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/photogallery/gallery-taves-2012?image=4

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/photogallery/gallery-taves-2012?image=5

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: larevoj on 3 Oct 2012, 02:58 pm
I certainly has no complains of the BDA-1 and I have a few good years with it.  :)

I may not jump on the BDA-2 band wagon so soon since I purchased the Berkeley Audio Design Alpha USB converter only a couple of months ago which works fine with 24/192 resolution - if only James could have give us a heads up I would have waited for the Bryston Converter! :lol: Also I am not so sure how well the USB section is isolated in BDA-2 and it would be interesting to see if the noise floor is indeed lower say Computer - Converter - BDA-1 versus Computer - BDA-2.  :scratch:

Oh, I forgot to add that I was hoping the BDA-2 would have 2 balance outputs so I can route 1 to preamplifier and 1 to the headphone amp - James, do you see this possible in near future??
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 03:13 pm
I certainly has no complains of the BDA-1 and I have a few good years with it.  :)

I may not jump on the BDA-2 band wagon so soon since I purchased the Berkeley Audio Design Alpha USB converter only a couple of months ago which works fine with 24/192 resolution - if only James could have give us a heads up I would have waited for the Bryston Converter! :lol: Also I am not so sure how well the USB section is isolated in BDA-2 and it would be interesting to see if the noise floor is indeed lower say Computer - Converter - BDA-1 versus Computer - BDA-2.  :scratch:

I can tell you the USB section is not just not a cobbled in circuit board.  The whole main board was redesigned to allow for the USB section.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: larevoj on 4 Oct 2012, 05:17 am
I can tell you the USB section is not just not a cobbled in circuit board.  The whole main board was redesigned to allow for the USB section.

james

Thanks James, that is nice!...you have a picture of its innards?  :)
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2012, 10:57 am
From: Audio Ideas Guide
Sent: October-03
To: James Tanner


Subject: The New Bryston Speakers

Hi James,

It was good to see you at the show, and I was delighted to hear the fruits of your collaboration with AXIOM, pretty much the best sound that I heard in any of the TAVES rooms.

The frequency balance, bass extension, and dynamic capability are superb on first listening, very akin to what I heard when I went home to my own Veritas/ads hybrids that I've developed over the past year or so.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Andrew
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2012, 04:10 pm
MUSICAL and DYNAMIC    :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

BLOG: Ears Wide Open at TAVES
Gordon Brockhouse


At the Bryston exhibit, VP James Tanner was showing off his company's new Model T speakers, which are being built at Axiom Acoustics' factory in Dwight, ON.

These are very musical speakers, as evidenced by a file of the Beatles singing an a capella version of "Because." And they have absolutely scary dynamics, as evidenced by some sound effects (breaking glass, banging on a garage door) Tanner played.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69010)

There are three versions of the Model T: the passive version demonstrated by Tanner ($6,495 per pair), an active version at $9,495 per pair, and a passive version with external crossover (allowing future upgrade to active version) at $7,495.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: rmurray on 8 Oct 2012, 07:06 pm
 I'm old fashioned James so I was wondering are there any pictures of the actual transducers? :drool:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2012, 09:04 pm
I'm old fashioned James so I was wondering are there any pictures of the actual transducers? :drool:

Hi

There are pictures of the custom drivers in the brochure but the results is all that matters -  :thumb:

I think the issue you have to be aware of is so many times in this business people focus on one or two aspects of a design and accept or reject based on those issues.  Speakers like amplifiers are a combination of many different design criteria and they have to be considered as a whole in my opinion.  Also the end goal may be different with different manufacturers so the design parameters will also vary as the product is developed.

For the Model T's I wanted a speaker that had state of the art power response into the room and could play at realistic levels without dynamic compression.  These were not the only criteria but they ranked very high on my design thoughts.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: rmurray on 9 Oct 2012, 12:31 am
  Thanks James. How does one see the brochure? :scratch:

Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: larevoj on 9 Oct 2012, 07:29 am
Hi James, yes can you send us a link of the brochure?  :D

I visited the AFA, Singapore today and was hoping they will have a pair for audition soon but was told none available?? Any idea if they will have a pair any time soon?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
  Thanks James. How does one see the brochure? :scratch:

Hi

Email me at jamestanner@bryston.com and I will send along the brochure.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
Hi James, yes can you send us a link of the brochure?  :D

I visited the AFA, Singapore today and was hoping they will have a pair for audition soon but was told none available?? Any idea if they will have a pair any time soon?

Thanks!

Hi

It will be a while (January maybe) as all the speakers from the first 2 runs have been preordered - it was a great show  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: redbook on 9 Oct 2012, 03:24 pm
  James , will this brochure soon be on the Bryston web page.? :thumb:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2012, 03:31 pm
  James , will this brochure soon be on the Bryston web page.? :thumb:

Looking at that now - will probably be the end of October.

james
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: redbook on 9 Oct 2012, 03:33 pm
  Thanks James..... :dance:
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: SGK on 5 Nov 2012, 10:33 am
Hi All,

We introduced NAS support in August for the bdp-1, the bdp-2 will ship with the same firmware as the bdp-1.  Intact, for the foreseeable future both versions of the bdp will run the same software.  Much like iPhones run the same version of iOS, bdp's will follow a similar philosophy.

As for the comparison the bdp-1 shipped with a 2amp power supply and a main board containing a 500mhz AMD Geode CPU with 256 MB RAM.

The bdp-2's power supply has been bumped up to 10amps (for those who want to plug in a half dozen USB powered hard drives).  It's main board is capable of powering 5-6 hard drives (we have tested an assortment of drives rAnging from 400mA to a full amp).  1600 MHz Intel Atom CPU with 2048 MB of RAM.  Room for an internal 2.5" data hdd/ssd, USB 3.0 upgrade path is available, esata (none powered).

Both units still contain the same sound card, so same sound.

Think BDP-1, but with more power under the bonnet

Cheers,
Chris

So when would one need "more power under the bonnet"? Is it merely when one would like a whole stack of drives connected by USB or drives that need to be powered by the BDP?  What about boot-up speed and file-loading speed? (I believe James had said once that ALAC files can take a long time to load on the BDP-1.)

Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2012, 03:46 pm
Hi SGK,

Drives is one aspect, in addition to USB 2.0 ports, there is also on the rear an esata hook up and inside the system everything needed to install a drive.  We have had up to a internal drive plus four usb powered drives connected and powered during startup.  Keep in mind different drives use different amounts of power, but the end user shouldn't have difficulties powering three or more drives off the USB ports.  As to the number of files, where the BDP-1 begins to slow down at around 30k songs (some users may experience different results depending on file type) the BDP-2 does not.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: SGK on 6 Nov 2012, 09:32 pm
And does an internal SSD compromise at all the dynamics of the player? I guess I am trying to figure out on what basis one would step up to the BDP-2. The desire for an internal drive is one, a colossal library would be another (although 30,000 songs is a hell of a lot)...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: unincognito on 7 Nov 2012, 02:59 am
Hello,

Few customers I have spoken to have more then 10,000 songs.  Also there is the fact that eventually the BDP-2 will do more down the road with software upgrades and customer/distributor install able upgrades.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: SGK on 7 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
Thanks Chris.  How's the indexing and searching of drives with the BDP-1 over USB 2? Presumably this is an area which would benefit greatly from an eSata connection (USB 2 would be fine for the playback of the file itself).

Also, is the connection for an internal drive a simple plug and play eSata cable? Would something like a 512GB SSD require any housing carriage etc.  (Velcro can work wonders if the cable has some maneuverability.) 

I don't see myself as needing terabytes of media files connected anytime soon (especially while the BDP is still, unfortunately, only 2 channel).

I would want my collection ripped to ALAC so that I can simply duplicate the files in iTunes for playback at my computer and automatically port in lower-res format to all my mobile devices. (The ripping software would add the file to the hard drive for re-connection to the BDP and, at the same, add a copy to my computer's iTunes directory.)

Browsing the BDP connected drives would need to be fast and reliable.
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Laundrew on 9 Nov 2012, 12:31 am
Did anyone who attended the show notice if any Acoustic Signature turntables were on display?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70571)

Be well...
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: PRELUDE on 9 Nov 2012, 01:03 am
Did anyone who attended the show notice if any Acoustic Signature turntables were on display?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70571)

Be well...
Hi Laundrew,
I did not see it this year but there is a brand new Canadian manufacture that makes very nice turntables.
www.ttweights.com
Title: Re: Toronto Show Sept. 2012
Post by: Laundrew on 9 Nov 2012, 09:59 pm
Hi Laundrew,
I did not see it this year but there is a brand new Canadian manufacture that makes very nice turntables.
www.ttweights.com

Thanks PRELUDE  :thumb:

I did not know about these turntables and as they are just down the road, I will take a drive down and see them.

Be well...