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Title: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Jun 2012, 05:11 pm
Hi Folks,

Chris has been working on software to allow the BDP-1 digital player to connect to a NAS using SAMBA - I will be testing it this weekend and need about 3 or 4 beta testers if anyone is interested.

The NAS units we have used successfully are QNAP, Apple Time Capsule, WD MyBook (NAS), Native Microsoft and we are working on Apple shares. (AFP), Synology DS710+ and a Thecus N0503.

james

Email me at jamestanner@bryston.com if you want to give it a try.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 1 Jul 2012, 01:02 pm
Very good news James.Don't forget Synology NAS for testing if you have one around.
Keep up with the good work.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Vipers on 2 Jul 2012, 04:18 pm
Interesting news James, so does the BDP-1 see the NAS drive over the network or do you have to connect the NAS drive to the BDP-1 via USB?

I plan to buy a Qnap TS-219P very shortly so it will be interesting to see how this goes.

Thanks,
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jul 2012, 04:35 pm
Interesting news James, so does the BDP-1 see the NAS drive over the network or do you have to connect the NAS drive to the BDP-1 via USB?

I plan to buy a Qnap TS-219P very shortly so it will be interesting to see how this goes.

Thanks,

See's the NAS on the network.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 6 Jul 2012, 12:30 pm
well well, this is getting better every day! Last beta I received from Chris, testing the NAs connectivity has some things to straighten out still, but I can see, and play (!) all my files on a HDD attached to my Apple TimeMachine in my network. Right now it is still indexing it and the Timemachine, where I have all my files backed up that are on the HDDs attached to the BDP1. Bit of an overkill of course, but when this turns out to be working, I can rethink the drive topology...

Along this reading the NAS's (there are quite a few, and some confusing ones too:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63698))

the BDP now plays all files in my iTunes collection, even all the movies. Had a few live dvd's ripped to it, and the BDP plays them without effort.

All I can say is: Great! Thanks!
Will give a more complete test-result after indexing completes.

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jul 2012, 02:23 pm
Thanks Marius - now the big question - can you hear a difference with the file played on the attached drive vs the NAS????

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 6 Jul 2012, 04:50 pm
Hi James,

First impression is that QoSound is very fine indeed, to be honest, I can not hear any difference between NAs and Attached. In Mp3 that is, I tried loading my reference Shostakovitch 8, KCO, Haitink on Decca, ripped in Flac, but somehow there are gaps avery few seconds. As if it can't load the files fast enough.....Somehow that is surprising, given the fact that my wired ethernet is a full GB cat 6e network. Maybe the Apple Timemachine isn;t fast enough.

I'll try and play some files of my attached Hdd and let you know how that goes.

1 question for Chris: can I point MAX to a specific folder in the Nas drives? Now it points to their roots, and I have to click my way the music files/folders on that drive.

Marius

btw, the strange "on" listings have disappeared nicely, and now my drives in MAx look like this, just as they should:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63702)
 :thumb: :thumb:


Thanks Marius - now the big question - can you hear a difference with the file played on the attached drive vs the NAS????

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jul 2012, 05:42 pm
Hi James,

First impression is that QoSound is very fine indeed, to be honest, I can not hear any difference between NAs and Attached. In Mp3 that is, I tried loading my reference Shostakovitch 8, KCO, Haitink on Decca, ripped in Flac, but somehow there are gaps avery few seconds. As if it can't load the files fast enough.....Somehow that is surprising, given the fact that my wired ethernet is a full GB cat 6e network. Maybe the Apple Timemachine isn;t fast enough.

I'll try and play some files of my attached Hdd and let you know how that goes.

1 question for Chris: can I point MAX to a specific folder in the Nas drives? Now it points to their roots, and I have to click my way the music files/folders on that drive.

Marius

btw, the strange "on" listings have disappeared nicely, and now my drives in MAx look like this, just as they should:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63702)
 :thumb: :thumb:

I have the QNAP NAS at home an no issues with 192/24 and the Apple Time Capsule at work and no problem.

The 'strange' listing will disappear once all is loaded usually.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jul 2012, 06:07 pm
Hi Marius,

One of the final features for the NAS setup will hopefully be a text box that will allow you to specify a sub directory on the NAS to mount.  Hope fully will have it added sometime next week depending on my work schedule.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 6 Jul 2012, 06:59 pm
 :thumb: :thumb:
Hi Marius,

One of the final features for the NAS setup will hopefully be a text box that will allow you to specify a sub directory on the NAS to mount.  Hope fully will have it added sometime next week depending on my work schedule.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jul 2012, 07:06 pm
Quote
Hi James,

First impression is that QoSound is very fine indeed, to be honest, I can not hear any difference between NAs and Attached. In Mp3 that is, I tried loading my reference Shostakovitch 8, KCO, Haitink on Decca, ripped in Flac, but somehow there are gaps avery few seconds. As if it can't load the files fast enough.....Somehow that is surprising, given the fact that my wired ethernet is a full GB cat 6e network. Maybe the Apple Timemachine isn;t fast enough.

I'll try and play some files of my attached Hdd and let you know how that goes.

1 question for Chris: can I point MAX to a specific folder in the Nas drives? Now it points to their roots, and I have to click my way the music files/folders on that drive.

Marius

Hi Marius,

I've just finished listening to some 192k flac files on a BDP-1 that are stored on an Apple Time Capsules internal hard drive.  Neither James or I heard any drop outs, now with our apple time capsule it was only the BDP-1 and desktop computer for playback control on the network. The music you are trying to play is it also stored on your Apple Time Capsule Internal Drive or a USB drive attached to the Apple Time Capsule?  How old is your apple time capsule?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 7 Jul 2012, 07:07 am
Hi Chris
I've got the latest 3tb model . Issue arises both with the TC and with a hdd attached to it.

Might it be the 'green' effect?

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 7 Jul 2012, 02:23 pm
Hi James, Chris,

Thought to have witnessed it before, but with the latest firmware update it is rather prominent: the BDP1 updates out of itself. And takes a very very long time for it. Ever since I've installed the latest firmware yesterday, it is updating.... Update 3 right now. 1 and 2 were understandable, because the BDP! had to load some new files, and after the update, 2 new drives. But this number 3 is not clear, other than when the BDP1 would update automatically somehow.

Any thoughts?

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 8 Jul 2012, 08:36 pm
james, Chris,

After two days of updating (...) it seems to be working perfectly right now! Had the BDP1 automatically do 5 updates, I still don;t fully comprehend, but just played 192/24 Linn downloads without a glitch! :thumb: :thumb:

Thank you for this. Glad we pressed you a little for NAS support. Glad you took the hint.  :D

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jul 2012, 10:06 pm
james, Chris,

After two days of updating (...) it seems to be working perfectly right now! Had the BDP1 automatically do 5 updates, I still don;t fully comprehend, but just played 192/24 Linn downloads without a glitch! :thumb: :thumb:

Thank you for this. Glad we pressed you a little for NAS support. Glad you took the hint.  :D

Marius

Chris did a terrific job developing this feature  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mario09 on 8 Jul 2012, 11:58 pm
James, Chris

After a weekend of testing the beta software, I can say:

a) Same audio quality
b) Very quick response time when I choose an album or track
c) Really better interface for the NAS setup than the month of May version :thumb:
d) It took me one hour and 15 minutes to update 29 000 tracks. Slower than a USB HD but the data is going through a network not a USB connection. My former Squeezebox Logitech did the same time
e) As Chris said in an earlier post, a sub folder navigation will be very appreciated.
f) If we have, in a fall release, like a vTuner app to listen Internet radio stations I will be in Heaven! :thumb:

Thank you so much to listen your customers! Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jul 2012, 01:42 am
Hi Marius,

What you are describing your earlier messages doesn't seem quite right.  If you don't mind could you log in via ssh and enter the following commands and send me the responses?

df -h
ls -lh /mnt/img
ls -lh /live/image
cat /prov/mounts

Chris

Btw, glad everything is finally working
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jul 2012, 01:49 am
Hi Mario,

A Internet radio station interface is in the works, but the big hang up is a two part.  One, finding a partner Of sorts to provide a list.  Although if memory serves correctly I think that one might have been taken care of (I vagley remembering Marius mentioning a service which looked very promising) and the second being its not a very high priority.  The NAS feature got priority due to expressed interest in the ability in the European market.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 9 Jul 2012, 07:23 am
Please check your mailbox.

Marius

ps Chris, asked for a selective update before, but with the updating times on the Nas now, this is all the more on the wish list. Hope you can do it. Add the universal Vtuner support Mario asks about, like I did before, and you would really make the BDP1 the ultimate digital player. A tremendous job indeed!

Hi Marius,

What you are describing your earlier messages doesn't seem quite right.  If you don't mind could you log in via ssh and enter the following commands and send me the responses?

df -h
ls -lh /mnt/img
ls -lh /live/image
cat /prov/mounts

Chris

Btw, glad everything is finally working
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Vipers on 10 Jul 2012, 02:43 pm
Hey guys,

Just been catching up on this thread, this really is excellent news, I didn't think this would be possible really when the BDP-1 was first launched, but if it can stream from a NAS drive it then puts the BDP-1 right at the top of all the streamers available, it's sound quality has never been an issue but when we get people into our store they seem to struggle with what the BDP-1 is, obviously I put them right, whereas they seem to understand the thinking behind Linn and Naim streamers, so this functionality will be great when it comes to demo's.

As previously mentioned full internet radio will be the icing on the cake, vTuner is very good, also Linn and Sonos use TuneIn which is also very good, spend most of the time at the moment listening to 4U Classic Rock at the moment, great station.

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: SHV on 10 Jul 2012, 04:23 pm
"it can stream from a NAS drive it then puts the BDP-1 right at the top of all the streamers available,"
*******
When NAS connectivity is released for BDP-1, will my wife be able to stream her I-tunes library from her Mac or I-Pad?

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2012, 05:04 pm
"it can stream from a NAS drive it then puts the BDP-1 right at the top of all the streamers available,"
*******
When NAS connectivity is released for BDP-1, will my wife be able to stream her I-tunes library from her Mac or I-Pad?

Steve

Hi Steve - no - that is airplay - the music has to be on the NAS because the NAS is connected to the BDP-1 through the 'wired' network.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: SHV on 10 Jul 2012, 05:08 pm
Hi Steve - no - that is airplay - the music has to be on the NAS because the NAS is connected to the BDP-1 through the 'wired' network.

james

Oh well...just have to keep the Apple TV connected to the SP3...

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 10 Jul 2012, 05:12 pm
Well, I have my iTunes library on my Nas, and stream it to my Bdp1 via my MacBook and iPad....

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 13 Jul 2012, 12:37 pm
James,when will you make available NAS connectivity,please?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2012, 02:28 pm
James,when will you make available NAS connectivity,please?

We have a few people testing the BETA versions now with good success so I would say a week or 2. 

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: ted_b on 13 Jul 2012, 03:35 pm
Well, I have my iTunes library on my Nas, and stream it to my Bdp1 via my MacBook and iPad....

Marius

Marius,
Don't you mean connected as a file server (like I do with my Auraliti PK90USB and my Synology NAS), not streaming?  If you are streaming your NAS, what is the streaming software?  No offense but "streaming" seems to be a misused term around here. 
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 13 Jul 2012, 03:49 pm
We've had plenty of streaming over here in the UK, Marius.
Whole villages have been streamed down the river in the recent downpours.
There again, streaming is a very mis used term around here.
 :lol: :wink:
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: ted_b on 13 Jul 2012, 04:00 pm
We've had plenty of streaming over here in the UK, Marius.
Whole villages have been streamed down the river in the recent downpours.
There again, streaming is a very mis used term around here.
 :lol: :wink:

I'm not quite sure if that is a dig against me and my post...but...I'm honestly asking cuz I want to know.  Is he using the NAS as a file server (I thought the BDP-1 looks for files) or is he streaming from some UPNP music player to the BDP-1?  I'm trying to figure out the architecture of that last option...
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 13 Jul 2012, 06:28 pm
It's ok Ted, nothing personal, just a joke at life here in the UK.
I've probably been spending too much time on Brit forums.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 13 Jul 2012, 06:33 pm
Reading between the lines, from what I can make out, the BDP-1 treats the NAS just like a normal USB connected drive. ie just another file store but at the end of a network cable instead of USB cable.
Of course it's not quite as simple as that as you'll have a network hub or switch as well.
Your probably better off using a switch to split your Brystom network away from you PC using a switch like what L**n recommend.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 13 Jul 2012, 09:47 pm
Hi Ted,
Guess you're right, no 'streaming' but playing from a Nas . Which is more than James thought the Bdp1 was designed for in the beginning.

Then again, what's in a name. I tend to think of 'streaming' as playing a live feed from the internet as opposed to playing stored files from a server.

Still, I do like the posibility of playing non attached files on my bdp1! Call it streaming or not.

Marius

Marius,
Don't you mean connected as a file server (like I do with my Auraliti PK90USB and my Synology NAS), not streaming?  If you are streaming your NAS, what is the streaming software?  No offense but "streaming" seems to be a misused term around here.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 14 Jul 2012, 02:35 am
Hi All,

Just to clarify the NAS feature cOming to the bdp.  The bdp's firmware is going to ship with two new items in the settings web interface.  The first is "NAS setup", this control panel will walk users through a process of selecting a comPuter or NAS containing samba (aka smb aka windows file sharing) shares.  Once successfully connected the settings will be stored in the bdP so it may retain the settings after a reboot.

The second new control panel in the settings page will labled "services".  This will allow you to stop and start a hand full of services on the bdP.  how ever we are adding a new service; a DLNA/UPnP Client.  This will allow the BDP to automatcally connect to UPnP servers hosting media files.  When the firmware ships at the end of the month this feature will still be marked as Beta, but still available to be enabled.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Alpha10 on 14 Jul 2012, 08:39 am
Chris, your point two is very interesting, does that not mean you have solved your internet radio issue, simply having that running as a service on the NAS, leaving the NAS to worry about the hosting etc?

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: BrysTony on 14 Jul 2012, 01:04 pm
Can an Apple Time Capsule be used with the BDP-1 as the NAS?

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 14 Jul 2012, 01:25 pm
Yes it can!  :thumb:

Can an Apple Time Capsule be used with the BDP-1 as the NAS?

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: BrysTony on 14 Jul 2012, 01:58 pm
Thanks, Marius.  I look forward to getting the software and getting it up and running.

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 14 Jul 2012, 02:52 pm
Hi Tony,

Chris did a remarkable job.  I've got my TC and the attached hdd indexed by the new software on the Bdp and it is playing everything playable, even movies, without a glitch.

Took a while updating.... But it was well worth the effort.

Have fun with it soon!
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: yartle on 15 Jul 2012, 12:36 am
This could see me order one in the next week  :D
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: NMG on 15 Jul 2012, 03:30 pm
Comrades!

Can someone please explain to a simpleton lawyer like me why this "upgrade" would be beneficial. i.e., what will it allow me to do that I cannot do now, and why I would want to? In my experience, upgrades like this generally increase my BP readings considerably!

Thank you.

Neal :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 15 Jul 2012, 07:33 pm
Hi All,

Just to clarify the NAS feature cOming to the bdp.  The bdp's firmware is going to ship with two new items in the settings web interface.  The first is "NAS setup", this control panel will walk users through a process of selecting a comPuter or NAS containing samba (aka smb aka windows file sharing) shares.  Once successfully connected the settings will be stored in the bdP so it may retain the settings after a reboot.

The second new control panel in the settings page will labled "services".  This will allow you to stop and start a hand full of services on the bdP.  how ever we are adding a new service; a DLNA/UPnP Client.  This will allow the BDP to automatcally connect to UPnP servers hosting media files.  When the firmware ships at the end of the month this feature will still be marked as Beta, but still available to be enabled.

Cheers,
Chris

Comrades!

Can someone please explain to a simpleton lawyer like me why this "upgrade" would be beneficial. i.e., what will it allow me to do that I cannot do now, and why I would want to? In my experience, upgrades like this generally increase my BP readings considerably!

Thank you.

Neal :scratch:

Thanks, Neal for asking this question. I hope Chris can give us non-techies a non-tech description of what these new features will give us in terms we can understand. It would be helpful to have examples given, like what I could do in another room of my house using what and how.



Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: srb on 15 Jul 2012, 07:44 pm
You can maintain your music library on the NAS and directly rip CDs or copy downloaded files to that library location without needing to then copy them over to a USB hard drive or thumb drive that is directly attached to the BDP-1.

In another room you could also access that same library from a computer or from a network streaming device such as a Squeezebox Touch, Sonos, Airport Express, Apple TV, etc.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 15 Jul 2012, 07:50 pm
You can maintain your music library on the NAS and directly rip CDs or copy downloaded files to that library location without needing to then copy them over to a USB hard drive or thumb drive that is directly attached to the BDP-1.

In another room you could also access that same library from a computer or from a network streaming device such as a Squeezebox Touch, Sonos, Airport Express, Apple TV, etc.

Steve

This is helpful. Thanks Steve. Can you expalin what the DLNA/UPnP client would do?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 15 Jul 2012, 08:11 pm
Hi Dave,

Check http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: brucek on 15 Jul 2012, 08:39 pm
This is helpful. Thanks Steve. Can you expalin what the DLNA/UPnP client would do?

DLNA-compatible devices use UPnP to communicate with each other.

For example, I have a new flat screen TV that has DLNA as one of its standard selectable inputs, along with DVD, BluRay, Satellite, etc. When I select DLNA input, it selects my home network (that I have connected to my TV) and it sees all my music, photos, videos on my home PC that are associated with DLNA enabled software such as Windows Media Player. Windows Media Player can be enabled to be a DLNA server by simply selecting the feature. It's easy.

The BDP (I'm assuming, since I don't own one) would allow you to access and play all the music stored on your home PC using DLNA through your home network. Right now, as I understand it, the BDP requires a local USB stick or local hard drive to be attached to access and play music. DLNA capability would allow you to see music stored on your home PC and play it over your home network.

To me, that's huge.

brucek
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 15 Jul 2012, 08:41 pm
Hi Dave,

Check http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance

Marius

Thanks Marius. I think the link is most helpful in giving me an idea of how a NAS would work, in my case with a hard drive USB connected to my router, which if I get it right, would let my BDP-1 access that hard drive. Unrelated to the BDP-1, that same hard drive could be accessed by the kinds of devices described by Steve and brucek. Neat.

If I get all of this, then the main benefit as far as the BDP-1 is concerned, is file manipulation that can reduce copying to a BDP-connected drive, as explained by Steve. This is an improvement over what I now do, but since the BDP-1 is on my local network, that copying is done easily from one folder to another. It seems, therefore, that the NAS connection, at the end of the day, as far as the BDP-1 is concerned saves just one step.

If I got this wrong, or have missed other benefits, could you please correct me?

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jul 2012, 10:59 pm
Can an Apple Time Capsule be used with the BDP-1 as the NAS?

Tony

Yes, we have tested an apple time capsule via samba

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jul 2012, 11:19 pm
Hi all,

These new features have a number of advantages which evolve around ditching USB storage.

*Some users which you can find some of them on here have had power issues (drives that exceed the 500ma limit)
*Noise, 2.5" drives are quite but do not come in the same capacities as 3.5" drives which some of which can be a little noisy

With this new update you'll be able to store your data on an existing NAS or your existing computer.

*If you use your computer you can rip your audio directly to your computer, the bdp can then update the music db over the network.  The idea is you have less audible noise in your sound room and more storage.

*using a NAS instead of your computer has a few advantages.
1. The data stored on the NAS will likely to be backup of the existing data on your computer, so if one of the two goes wrong you still have a copy of your media.
2. Modern NAS come with upnp software pre installed.
3. A NAS is less likely to go wrong then a computer as it is a purpose device with relatively static software.


The benefits between samba (available via the NAS setup) and using upnp (available in services)
*samba uses authenticTion, making it secure but requires some setup and basic knowledge (ie names, username and passwords)
*upnp (aka dlna) no setup at all, self discovery; however no security.  Because it just home media most people have no need to password protect there music libraries.

Anyways typing on an iPad sucks
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 16 Jul 2012, 07:57 am
HI Dave,
you are correct, and I don't feel the need to correct you :D

for me the main advantages are (the solution of these issues):

no more hdd sounds in the audio room,
no more limitation in hdd space,
no more power related hdd issues,
no more filing issues, and extreme slow transfers to the bdp/hdd's
universal access to my music-library
easier way of maintaining one library, not devided into several special libraries per machine system (iTunes/mp3, flac/hires for bdp, etc etc)
easier backup of this one library

other plusses are:
universal (dlna) recognition and discovery of standardized filing on the network
hopefully recognition of the BDP! in the dlna network (the vice versa of the above...)

Hope Chris isn't serious in the "ditching of USB" cause to others that might be their preferred way of handling files.

Wish Chris was here a year ago.... when I asked for these features, i was told the BDP1 was not for me and had to go elsewhere  :?
Glad I didn't.

Marius


Thanks Marius. I think the link is most helpful in giving me an idea of how a NAS would work, in my case with a hard drive USB connected to my router, which if I get it right, would let my BDP-1 access that hard drive. Unrelated to the BDP-1, that same hard drive could be accessed by the kinds of devices described by Steve and brucek. Neat.

If I get all of this, then the main benefit as far as the BDP-1 is concerned, is file manipulation that can reduce copying to a BDP-connected drive, as explained by Steve. This is an improvement over what I now do, but since the BDP-1 is on my local network, that copying is done easily from one folder to another. It seems, therefore, that the NAS connection, at the end of the day, as far as the BDP-1 is concerned saves just one step.

If I got this wrong, or have missed other benefits, could you please correct me?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 16 Jul 2012, 11:57 am
Thanks Chris. I'm sorry I'm so poor with the techie stufff that your description of the things that the upgrade wil do is still over my head. No doubt it will be helpful to more technically literate users. If I attempt this, I might give you a call for help.

Marius, thanks for your help. I can understand your description of benefits, with exception of the BDP-1 being recognized on the DLNA network. In my case, nothing in my sound room would use the DLNA, but in other rooms that might be the case. Therefore, since my BDP-1 is connected to my preamp, amp and speakers, I can't see how this would be a benefit, at least for me. Maybe you could explain how it might work for others.

Your comment about the BDP-1 not having these features a year ago really hits at home for me. Before the BDP-1 I was running a Roku SoundBridge and had come to enjoy some of the usual features of a media player - access to Internet radio, large data bases, etc. Before the BDP-1 was shipped, it was explained as a replacement for the CD player and all the things it would not do. My initial reaction was it just wasn't for me. I couldn't understand why Bryston would produce a digital, computer driven, device that would not take advantage if its inherent, flexible potential given that it could be programmed. I had the feeling it was like someone had decided to invent the wheel, but told potential users it could only be used for donkey carts, and not for anything else. I was, frankly, bewildered by that design goal.

But I had never been disappointed by Bryston products. It has always exceeded my expectations. I decided to try the BDP-1 even with my doubts. The real advantage of the BDP-1, I learned, was how well it played ordinary ripped CD files.

And then Bryston started to upgrade the software, first to speed up the booting process, and then to add Internet radio. And now NAS. And probably even better Internet radio use, which I believe is even more important from a user's perspective than NAS.

In short, Bryston listened to its customers and ditched the original limited design intent in order to make the BDP-1 a digital media player that is a great audio device and meets both the competition and the expectations of digital users. Bravo Bryston!

Once all these software improvements are made, my wish list for the BDP-2 includes these two items:

1. A large display readable from several feet away. Audio gear is seldom close to the user, and the BDP-1 display from a distance is for practical listening purposes, useless. When I listen to Internet radio, I turn on my Roku not as a music source, but for its display, which depending on the station, also shows was songs are playing (another thing that should be added to the BDP-1 through the Internet radio upgrade).

2. The panel controls are usable but terrible. I would like to see ones that are intuitive to use. I seldom use them, but when I have to, I have to go back to the manual. With respect, controls just have to be easier than that. I believe they should be designed working on the premise that (a) the easier to use the better and (b) on the hypothesis that the device should be able to run easily without using a PC or app.

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 16 Jul 2012, 01:10 pm
Marius, thanks for your help. I can understand your description of benefits, with exception of the BDP-1 being recognized on the DLNA network. In my case, nothing in my sound room would use the DLNA, but in other rooms that might be the case. Therefore, since my BDP-1 is connected to my preamp, amp and speakers, I can't see how this would be a benefit, at least for me. Maybe you could explain how it might work for others.

sure. if you see your network a the main topography, and not your physical room(s) setup, you will soon feel the benefits of this dlna. Imagine a movie soundtrack or live concert on your bluray in the other room. The bdp will find this automatically, and you can play it in your sound room, over the network. Previously not possible with the Bdp1.
In my case the bdp even played a concert soundtrack I had dvd-ripped onto my iPad, it was stored as mp4 in my iTunes library on the HDD attached to the TimeCapsule and it plays without a hitch! Very nice indeed. Of course your mileage may vary.

DLNA is no holy grail for me, but it is very nice the BPD will conform to it. Makes things so much easier. And as you write, that was never an aspect the BDP shone. This might very well be a clinger for many potential buyers.

Hope you will enjoy this great Bryston product even more now!

Marius

Your comment about the BDP-1 not having these features a year ago really hits at home for me. Before the BDP-1 I was running a Roku SoundBridge and had come to enjoy some of the usual features of a media player - access to Internet radio, large data bases, etc. Before the BDP-1 was shipped, it was explained as a replacement for the CD player and all the things it would not do. My initial reaction was it just wasn't for me. I couldn't understand why Bryston would produce a digital, computer driven, device that would not take advantage if its inherent, flexible potential given that it could be programmed. I had the feeling it was like someone had decided to invent the wheel, but told potential users it could only be used for donkey carts, and not for anything else. I was, frankly, bewildered by that design goal.

But I had never been disappointed by Bryston products. It has always exceeded my expectations. I decided to try the BDP-1 even with my doubts. The real advantage of the BDP-1, I learned, was how well it played ordinary ripped CD files.

And then Bryston started to upgrade the software, first to speed up the booting process, and then to add Internet radio. And now NAS. And probably even better Internet radio use, which I believe is even more important from a user's perspective than NAS.

In short, Bryston listened to its customers and ditched the original limited design intent in order to make the BDP-1 a digital media player that is a great audio device and meets both the competition and the expectations of digital users. Bravo Bryston!

Once all these software improvements are made, my wish list for the BDP-2 includes these two items:

1. A large display readable from several feet away. Audio gear is seldom close to the user, and the BDP-1 display from a distance is for practical listening purposes, useless. When I listen to Internet radio, I turn on my Roku not as a music source, but for its display, which depending on the station, also shows was songs are playing (another thing that should be added to the BDP-1 through the Internet radio upgrade).

2. The panel controls are usable but terrible. I would like to see ones that are intuitive to use. I seldom use them, but when I have to, I have to go back to the manual. With respect, controls just have to be easier than that. I believe they should be designed working on the premise that (a) the easier to use the better and (b) on the hypothesis that the device should be able to run easily without using a PC or app.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 16 Jul 2012, 01:17 pm
Excellent explanation for a tech dummy like me! Many thanks, Marius. :D
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 16 Jul 2012, 05:16 pm

Hope Chris isn't serious in the "ditching of USB" cause to others that might be their preferred way of handling files.

.....

Marius

Hi Marius,

USB support will remain as it is, as it is the source we originally recommended.  Regarding how long it has taken, well developing a better interface (the max 2) had taken priority over this feature, supporting our end users takes priority over development.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 16 Jul 2012, 05:30 pm
 :thumb:
thanks for this,
Marius

Hi Marius,

USB support will remain as it is, as it is the source we originally recommended.  Regarding how long it has taken, well developing a better interface (the max 2) had taken priority over this feature, supporting our end users takes priority over development.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 16 Jul 2012, 05:34 pm
Hi Marius,

USB support will remain as it is, as it is the source we originally recommended.  Regarding how long it has taken, well developing a better interface (the max 2) had taken priority over this feature, supporting our end users takes priority over development.

Chris

"supporting our end users takes priority over development" Chris, it looks to me as if this is pure Bryston philosophy, which makes the company so great. The Roku SoundBridge, for its time, was very good, but Roku put development over supporting its users, and all its older media gear as a result has become totally orphaned, and in some ways unusable. The SoundBridge, for example, cannot be connected to home networks with WEP security. It is not possiible to support all equipment and applications forever, but Roku dropped supporting its existing base quite quickly. I'd be reluctant to buy Roku again for this very reason.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 16 Jul 2012, 05:34 pm


1. A large display readable from several feet away. Audio gear is seldom close to the user, and the BDP-1 display from a distance is for practical listening purposes, useless. When I listen to Internet radio, I turn on my Roku not as a music source, but for its display, which depending on the station, also shows was songs are playing (another thing that should be added to the BDP-1 through the Internet radio upgrade).



Hi Dave,

We released this in the last stable release of our software

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7w5khv5hCA

skip about 90 seconds in

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: uncouth on 16 Jul 2012, 06:05 pm
Chris,

Perfect timing with the NAS development.   :green: 

I just put together a Synology box with about 8TB of storage (due to RAID5 requirements) which I'll be very excited to get working with my BDP-1.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 16 Jul 2012, 06:33 pm
Thank You Bryston!

The BDA-1 is now exactly what I want and need. I liked everything about it except for the lack of NAS support - now it's perfect. The end users asked and Bryston responded. :thumb:

My network audio player woes are about to be solved. :D
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 16 Jul 2012, 09:15 pm
Hi Dave,

We released this in the last stable release of our software

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7w5khv5hCA

skip about 90 seconds in

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks, Chris, this is a useful YouTube demonstration, but I guess I didn't make my point clearly. I believe a digitial player should have its own easily readable display, as well as easily useable controls, without needing the resort to third devices. I don't have a BluRay in my sound room, don't want one, and don't really want to use the Roku. I know neither the BDP-1 display or the controls can be improved with software upgrades. However, if there is to be a new box, a BDP-2, in the future, my hope would be to have these two user friendly changes made in a new box.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jul 2012, 09:26 pm
Thanks, Chris, this is a useful YouTube demonstration, but I guess I didn't make my point clearly. I believe a digitial player should have its own easily readable display, as well as easily useable controls, without needing the resort to third devices. I don't have a BluRay in my sound room, don't want one, and don't really want to use the Roku. I know neither the BDP-1 display or the controls can be improved with software upgrades. However, if there is to be a new box, a BDP-2, in the future, my hope would be to have these two user friendly changes made in a new box.

The thing you have to remember is displays add a lot of cost to a unit and given the IPad and such devices we really felt it was like reinventing the wheel???

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 16 Jul 2012, 09:42 pm
The thing you have to remember is displays add a lot of cost to a unit and given the IPad and such devices we really felt it was like reinventing the wheel???

james

I hear you James, and I understand why you made the decisions you did. I can only look at these things from a consumer's point of view, and of course my own preferences as a consumer. While I, in fact, use my mPad app 99% of the time, I would still pay for easier controls and a readable display. Knowing how good the BDP-1 is, right now I'd be prepared to pay an additional $1000 for these improvements in a BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 16 Jul 2012, 09:53 pm
James,

Just so I'm clear on this, the functional upgrade is just a matter of a software update. So, I can go ahead and order the BDP-1 now, correct? I'm ready to pull the trigger.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but I assume there will be no issues with a Netgear ReadyNAS.

Just tell me to place the order! :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 16 Jul 2012, 10:00 pm
I hear you James, and I understand why you made the decisions you did. I can only look at these things from a consumer's point of view, and of course my own preferences as a consumer. While I, in fact, use my mPad app 99% of the time, I would still pay for easier controls and a readable display. Knowing how good the BDP-1 is, right now I'd be prepared to pay an additional $1000 for these improvements in a BDP-2.

I've had a SONOS for a while. It has absolutely no display. I actually like that about it. When I tried the Marantz NA-7004 (failed - inserted gaps between files), it did have a display, but I couldn't read it from where I sit. The same will be true for the BDP-1. It's unnecessary anyway. Since I will be controlling the thing with a tablet, I already have all of the display I need.

To be useful (to me anyway), the display would have to be significantly larger - therefore, the device would have to be taller. I'm not sure that makes much sense, even though I do understand your desire.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jul 2012, 10:16 pm
James,

Just so I'm clear on this, the functional upgrade is just a matter of a software update. So, I can go ahead and order the BDP-1 now, correct? I'm ready to pull the trigger.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but I assume there will be no issues with a Netgear ReadyNAS.

Just tell me to place the order! :lol:

Hi

Correct it will be a software update.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mario09 on 16 Jul 2012, 11:05 pm
Quote
[James,

Just so I'm clear on this, the functional upgrade is just a matter of a software update. So, I can go ahead and order the BDP-1 now, correct? I'm ready to pull the trigger.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but I assume there will be no issues with a Netgear ReadyNAS.

Just tell me to place the order! quote]


Kevin360,

You can place an order :thumb: I have a Netgear Ultra 2 Plus NAS and it works like a charm with the recent beta software. I disconnected my WD 2TB hard drive and I am only using my NAS with my BDP1. I only wish a Web radio service like vTuner or Tunein Radio in the BDP1 and I will be in heaven!
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 16 Jul 2012, 11:47 pm
Done and Dusted :icon_lol:

The order is placed. Now, I await delivery.
Title: Tech questions for Chris
Post by: rompolompo on 17 Jul 2012, 12:23 am
Hi Chris,

These are some of the challenges I had when I set up my MPD server:

1. What is the speed on the NIC? Is it 10/100 or 10/100/1000?
2. If I use my NAS, when I reboot the BDP-1, will it re-index the entire library?
3. If I turn on the BDP-1 and the NAS is offline, will the BDP-1 lose the db file?
4. Where do you store the db file (for MPD)?

Thanks!

Ran
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jul 2012, 03:07 am
James,

Just so I'm clear on this, the functional upgrade is just a matter of a software update. So, I can go ahead and order the BDP-1 now, correct? I'm ready to pull the trigger.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but I assume there will be no issues with a Netgear ReadyNAS.

Just tell me to place the order! :lol:

Hello,

We have successfully tested Te bdp with a netgear router with integrated ReadyNAS successfully

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jul 2012, 03:09 am
Regarding the display, it actually can't be made any larger without increasing the hieght of the product.

Chris
Title: Re: Tech questions for Chris
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jul 2012, 03:17 am
Hi Ran,

1. What is the speed on the NIC? Is it 10/100 or 10/100/1000? 100Mb
2. If I use my NAS, when I reboot the BDP-1, will it re-index the entire library?
No, the bdp takes an additional 10 seconds to startup, mount any NAS devices four in its settings before it starts mpd.

3. If I turn on the BDP-1 and the NAS is offline, will the BDP-1 lose the db file?
Yes it will

4. Where do you store the db file (for MPD)?
Currently we store it on the same compact flash card that stores the Linux OS

Hope I have answered to your satisfaction, please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions or concerns

Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 17 Jul 2012, 03:43 am
Regarding the display, it actually can't be made any larger without increasing the hieght of the product.

Chris

Chris, I really don't get the point about height. Not all Bryston products are the same height. Is a 7BSST2 the same height as a BDP-1 or is a SP3? No doubt there are reasons they aren't. So, if Bryston decides that there are reasons justifying a better display...and better controls...then I suppose that it would make sense to have a bigger box. I don't see the height issue, in and of itself, being an obstacle to haviing a better display and controls. Bigger box? Frankly, so what?

The question for Bryston would be not the height, but rather customer demand, the need to produce a product at a higher price point, and the competitive consequences of those factors. Those are just the same issues all manufactureres have to face. I'm a customer, so all I can say is what I would like to have. If there are enough customers with the same demands, then I suppose Bryston might start to consider these issues. If there aren't, then the only consequence would be my disappointment, which I guess Bryston, with effort, just might be able to live with. :D
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: NMG on 17 Jul 2012, 01:40 pm
Forgive my density (no pun intended), but I still am not clear on what this mythical NAS does for me or what connects to what? Right now I copy music from my laptop on to an HDD, which connects via USB to BDP-1 and which I control either through Gnome or MPD.

What additional hardware/software do I need for an NAS; what connects to what; and what controls what?

Thank you. I am trying to avoid grinding my teeth and asking more silly questions in the future.

Neal :?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jul 2012, 02:19 pm
Forgive my density (no pun intended), but I still am not clear on what this mythical NAS does for me or what connects to what? Right now I copy music from my laptop on to an HDD, which connects via USB to BDP-1 and which I control either through Gnome or MPD.

What additional hardware/software do I need for an NAS; what connects to what; and what controls what?

Thank you. I am trying to avoid grinding my teeth and asking more silly questions in the future.

Neal :?

Hi Neal,

If you wanted to implement a dedicated NAS, all you need is a NAS to plug into your home network.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008027%20600016055&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=usb&name=2.1TB%20and%20Higher&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008027%20600016055&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=usb&name=2.1TB%20and%20Higher&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20)

Once you have acquired a device like one of the ones in the link above, you simply plug it into your home network.  Rather then ripping your cd's to the USB hard drive, you would rip directly to the storage in the NAS over the network.

You then issue an update command to the BDP-1 via either the home page or settings page.  Once the update is complete, your additional files are visible to the BDP for playback.

Some home routers like the netgear and asus router's we have here at bryston have a USB port to receive a USB hard drive which allows the router to act as a NAS.

Finally, if all you want is the convience of a NAS; the BDP will do this on its own.  Simply plug the USB hard drive into your BDP while it is turned off, turn the unit back on and it will share any drives over the network that are connected to it via USB.

Chris


Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: zybar on 17 Jul 2012, 03:01 pm
Done and Dusted :icon_lol:

The order is placed. Now, I await delivery.

Nice decision.   :thumb:

I have had my BDP-1/BDA-1 combo for the last year or so and it is has really shined in my system.

Easy to use and great sound was the combination I was looking for and I can say "mission accomplished".

Enjoy.

George
Title: Re: Tech questions for Chris
Post by: rompolompo on 17 Jul 2012, 03:05 pm
Chris,

Thank you for the prompt reply. A gigabit Ethernet would be nice in future versions.

Regards,

Ran




Hi Ran,

1. What is the speed on the NIC? Is it 10/100 or 10/100/1000? 100Mb
2. If I use my NAS, when I reboot the BDP-1, will it re-index the entire library?
No, the bdp takes an additional 10 seconds to startup, mount any NAS devices four in its settings before it starts mpd.

3. If I turn on the BDP-1 and the NAS is offline, will the BDP-1 lose the db file?
Yes it will

4. Where do you store the db file (for MPD)?
Currently we store it on the same compact flash card that stores the Linux OS

Hope I have answered to your satisfaction, please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions or concerns

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: NMG on 17 Jul 2012, 03:09 pm
Thanks to Chris and others who have responded. Let me check my Verizon FIOS router and study your comments to see if it is worthwhile to undertake the effort. The one pain with the BDP-1 heretofore has been moving the music files from my laptop onto the externall HDD I use with the BDP-1, and if I can avoid this while maintaining ease of locating and controlling the music, it may be worthwhile.

Neal

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 18 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm
Hi Neal,

If you wanted to implement a dedicated NAS, all you need is a NAS to plug into your home network.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008027%20600016055&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=usb&name=2.1TB%20and%20Higher&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008027%20600016055&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=usb&name=2.1TB%20and%20Higher&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20)

Once you have acquired a device like one of the ones in the link above, you simply plug it into your home network.  Rather then ripping your cd's to the USB hard drive, you would rip directly to the storage in the NAS over the network.

You then issue an update command to the BDP-1 via either the home page or settings page.  Once the update is complete, your additional files are visible to the BDP for playback.

Some home routers like the netgear and asus router's we have here at bryston have a USB port to receive a USB hard drive which allows the router to act as a NAS.

Finally, if all you want is the convience of a NAS; the BDP will do this on its own.  Simply plug the USB hard drive into your BDP while it is turned off, turn the unit back on and it will share any drives over the network that are connected to it via USB.

Chris

Chris, here is another question from a non-techie.

I have a Linksys router and I can plug in a USB hard drive into it as a storage device. I checked out your link about NAS units and have this question. Can I plug in any hard drive into my router to use the upcoming BDP-1 software or must the hard drive be one, like those shown in the link, that are designated as NAS units?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2012, 12:28 pm
File Serving Vs Streaming

Hi Folks.

There appears to be some confusion regarding the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player and digital streaming based on our new software allowing connection to a NAS (network attached storage).

People use the word "streaming" often when they mean simply ‘file serving’, like a NAS to a computer, or a hard drive to a computer.  The Bryston approach is 'file-based' and the software player is looking for the file (.wav, .flac, etc). 

With streaming music, it is a packet-ized flow of TCP/IP instructions (like Squeezebox).  It is in packets and requires a handshake of sorts. 

That is what UpnP servers do, like internet radio, so the BDP-1 will do streaming also but the main focus is accessing digital files stored on a Harddrive.   

Therefore,  NAS hard drive access is not technically streaming.  It is starting to be an easy term to mis-use that somehow has become the way to describe "sending files" to software players.

So in the case of the BDP-1 Digital Player when you are connected to a NAS or an attached USB drive you are ‘accessing a file’ not ‘receiving packets’ of information from a source with a handshake.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 18 Jul 2012, 01:24 pm
File Serving Vs Streaming

That is what UpnP servers do, like internet radio, so the BDP-2 will do streaming also but the main focus is accessing digital files stored on a Harddrive.   

james

An explanation even I can understand! James, I have not read to date that you are working on a BDP-2. I see it mentioned here. Can you give estimated shipping times, estimated cost?

Can you start a new topic to report on progress, as you did with the BDP-1 and BHA-1?



Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 18 Jul 2012, 01:35 pm
Hi James,

Since the Bdp1 is already able to stream internetradio, why do you state you start supporting "streaming" on new Bdp2? If you could make that a bit more user friendly to operate, that would be most welcome. I sincerely hope that is still on your to-do-list for the Bdp1 and don't let that aspect wait till the release of a Bdp2 is imminent..

Reading your post again makes me wonder your bdp2 is really a typo and in fact you meant to type Bdp1...(fingers crossed)

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2012, 02:45 pm
Hi James,

Since the Bdp1 is already able to stream internetradio, why do you state you start supporting "streaming" on new Bdp2? If you could make that a bit more user friendly to operate, that would be most welcome. I sincerely hope that is still on your to-do-list for the Bdp1 and don't let that aspect wait till the release of a Bdp2 is imminent..

Reading your post again makes me wonder your bdp2 is really a typo and in fact you meant to type Bdp1...(fingers crossed)

Marius

Hi marius,

Yes Typo - Given the BDP-1 streams when it comes to the included Radio stations we are looking as ways to expand that feature.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 18 Jul 2012, 02:56 pm
 :thumb: :thumb:
Thank you Sir!

Hi marius,

Yes Typo - Given the BDP-1 streams when it comes to the included Radio stations we are looking as ways to expand that feature.

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: PRELUDE on 19 Jul 2012, 02:10 am
Hi marius,

Yes Typo - Given the BDP-1 streams when it comes to the included Radio stations we are looking as ways to expand that feature.

james
Hi James,
If you try to make more mistakes like this you might give a heart attack to some folks around here. :lol: :lol:
I was reading your post and when I saw the BDP-2 I had to laugh hard because I was sure that was a typo.
I do not know how many people would be agree with me but I really like the Bdp-1 as is.First it does not have any extra lights or interface to make it looks like the other stuff and the sound is great. :thumb:
But a lot of visitors came over just to see the BDP-1 and listen to it and they ask for interface and other stuff that I do not care about or the first thing they ask is this: Let me see how the radio works?
Although,I did try the radio and some of the stations are sound much better then mp3 but this people should remember that this is not a tuner. :duh:

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jul 2012, 02:33 am
Chris, here is another question from a non-techie.

I have a Linksys router and I can plug in a USB hard drive into it as a storage device. I checked out your link about NAS units and have this question. Can I plug in any hard drive into my router to use the upcoming BDP-1 software or must the hard drive be one, like those shown in the link, that are designated as NAS units?

Hi Dave,

It sounds very much like your router can double as a NAS once a hard drive is connected.  You can confirm the compatibility by simPly seeing if your comPuter will connect to the drive over the network.  We have two routers at Bryston capable of this.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jul 2012, 02:41 am
Hi James,

Since the Bdp1 is already able to stream internetradio, why do you state you start supporting "streaming" on new Bdp2? If you could make that a bit more user friendly to operate, that would be most welcome. I sincerely hope that is still on your to-do-list for the Bdp1 and don't let that aspect wait till the release of a Bdp2 is imminent..

Reading your post again makes me wonder your bdp2 is really a typo and in fact you meant to type Bdp1...(fingers crossed)

Marius

Hi Marius

Now that the release version of the NAS feature is in just final beta testing I am simply just holding off for another week to make sure none of our beta testers don't find any more bugs before release.  Currently main focus right now is on a radio streaming app.  My main issue right now is finding a database of radiostations that we can make use of.

If I have ever posted mention of a bdp-2 I certainly did not mean to, simply a typo.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 19 Jul 2012, 02:41 am
Thanks, Chris. BTW, I think it was James who made the BDP-2 typo.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 19 Jul 2012, 07:43 am
Hi Chris,

That's certainly looking promising. Mentioned before, I would
Urge you to have a look at Vtuner.

Got it working here through the Na7004 and can tell
You it works flawlessly.

If you could make it interface the Bdp1 that would be the answer to a rather pressing question.

There is the marantz app to connect to it, on the na7004 with its control buttons but also through a web interface. Adding to that you can surf to Vtuner, in this case marantzradio.com and edit you radio favorites rather nicely.

As you can see a lot like operating the bdp1.

Hope this helps you male it happen!

Marius
Hi Marius

Now that the release version of the NAS feature is in just final beta testing I am simply just holding off for another week to make sure none of our beta testers don't find any more bugs before release.  Currently main focus right now is on a radio streaming app.  My main issue right now is finding a database of radiostations that we can make use of.

If I have ever posted mention of a bdp-2 I certainly did not mean to, simply a typo.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Alpha10 on 19 Jul 2012, 09:07 am
Hi Chris,

That's certainly looking promising. Mentioned before, I would
Urge you to have a look at Vtuner.

Marius

+1 for VTuner.

The two things that would make my Bryston life complete are internet radio on the BDP and a combined BDP/SP3 iPad App  :thumb: :thumb:

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2012, 09:10 am
Hi James,
If you try to make more mistakes like this you might give a heart attack to some folks around here. :lol: :lol:
I was reading your post and when I saw the BDP-2 I had to laugh hard because I was sure that was a typo.
I do not know how many people would be agree with me but I really like the Bdp-1 as is.First it does not have any extra lights or interface to make it looks like the other stuff and the sound is great. :thumb:
But a lot of visitors came over just to see the BDP-1 and listen to it and they ask for interface and other stuff that I do not care about or the first thing they ask is this: Let me see how the radio works?
Although,I did try the radio and some of the stations are sound much better then mp3 but this people should remember that this is not a tuner. :duh:

Hi PRELUDE

Yes I am surprised at how good the preloaded stations sound - I did try and preload only the higher bit rate stations - I love the Jazz station  :thumb:

I think if we want to move beyond the current feature set and capabilities of the  BDP 1 we would have to look at adding an additional product with different hardware etc.

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 19 Jul 2012, 11:00 am
Marius,

(Please pardon the way off topic nature of this post.)

I'm curious about your experience with the NA-7004. I bought one, but I sent it back – did not transition from file to file seamlessly. I called tech support and was informed that my unit was operating as designed, which I thought was odd and very disappointing. The user interface on the Marantz left a lot to be desired as well, but I could live with that as long as the thing worked satisfactorily. Due to the fact that it inserted gaps between tracks, I found it very unsatisfactory. The radio features worked fine, but I still think the SONOS is the king in that department (as it also is in ergonomic terms – very slick). At any rate (although, it hardly matters any more), does the unit you have (or had) also fail to provide gapless playback?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 19 Jul 2012, 11:02 am
James or Chris,

The BDP-1 arrives today. I'm very excited, but I assume my wait isn't quite over. There is a group of beta testers, but the official upgrade has yet to be released. Is the beta version available to newcomers, or must I exercise just a little more patience?  :)
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2012, 12:07 pm
James or Chris,

The BDP-1 arrives today. I'm very excited, but I assume my wait isn't quite over. There is a group of beta testers, but the official upgrade has yet to be released. Is the beta version available to newcomers, or must I exercise just a little more patience?  :)

Hi Kevin

I would recommend getting everything set up and operating properly first with the current software and then we can send you the beta version later. I fear allowing a new customer access to both a new BDP and new software in the same day could caused serious emotional overload  :lol:

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jul 2012, 01:58 pm
Hi Marius,

Thanks for the suggestion, as I have yet to find anything yet I am still open to suggestions.  We did look at vTuner and there service doesn't look promising for a company of our size.  Currently I am waiting to hear back from shoutcast for an API key.  However I have been waiting for sometime and continue to look for a partner of sorts.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 19 Jul 2012, 02:00 pm
Thanks James, but you underestimate the degree to which I am a glutton for punishment. :icon_twisted: I'll probably be in touch tomorrow.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: SHV on 19 Jul 2012, 03:59 pm
"I fear allowing a new customer access to both a new BDP and new software in the same day could caused serious emotional overload"
********
That is excellent advice, especially for software that will just be out of "beta".

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Alpha10 on 19 Jul 2012, 07:50 pm
Hi Marius

Now that the release version of the NAS feature is in just final beta testing I am simply just holding off for another week to make sure none of our beta testers don't find any more bugs before release.  Currently main focus right now is on a radio streaming app.  My main issue right now is finding a database of radiostations that we can make use of.


Chris

Chris, have you tried "TuneIn Radio" ??

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 19 Jul 2012, 09:14 pm
Nope, no gapless. Per design Marantz stated to me upon pressing request....

I do like the radio (internet and terrestrial) and thats what i use it for mainly right now. Other services are more for the american market. Indo use the extra dac possibilities too.

Amongst others...

Marius

 
Marius,

(Please pardon the way off topic nature of this post.)

I'm curious about your experience with the NA-7004. I bought one, but I sent it back – did not transition from file to file seamlessly. I called tech support and was informed that my unit was operating as designed, which I thought was odd and very disappointing. The user interface on the Marantz left a lot to be desired as well, but I could live with that as long as the thing worked satisfactorily. Due to the fact that it inserted gaps between tracks, I found it very unsatisfactory. The radio features worked fine, but I still think the SONOS is the king in that department (as it also is in ergonomic terms – very slick). At any rate (although, it hardly matters any more), does the unit you have (or had) also fail to provide gapless playback?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 20 Jul 2012, 01:27 am
Nope, no gapless. Per design Marantz stated to me upon pressing request....
Marius

That's what I was told as well - a hardware limitation (no hope that a future firmware release would redress the shortcoming). Thanks for the confirmation.

Enough about that other player - the BDP-1 is here and it's outstanding! The user control interface is great. It passed the gapless playback test. It sounds wonderful. I'm obeying the directive to not download the beta firmware until tomorrow, but that's only three hours away. :lol:

I've only had it in my system for a couple of hours, but I love it. Bryston nailed it! :thumb:

* If I were pressed to pick nits, it's a little slow to build up the database (as compared to the SONOS or the NA-7004), but I'm not complaining at all. * I'm extremely pleased with this purchase. My network audio player woes appear to be a thing of the past.

* Even that attempt at nitpicking was misplaced - I was full of it  :D *
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Vipers on 21 Jul 2012, 02:26 pm
Chris, have you tried "TuneIn Radio" ??

Cheers

+1 for TuneIn Radio, I use it every day on my Sonos Connect at work just to access Internet radio, it really is faultless + it's available to listen to on a PC, Apple or Android and you can save favourite radio stations to access across all platforms, if the BDP-1 was one of those platforms I would be a very happy bunny :)
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 21 Jul 2012, 02:43 pm
I confess ai haven't tried vTuner for years, but if Chris is taking suggestions, and it can be arranged, I find TuneIn works very well.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 21 Jul 2012, 03:32 pm
Hi Kevin

I would recommend getting everything set up and operating properly first with the current software and then we can send you the beta version later. I fear allowing a new customer access to both a new BDP and new software in the same day could caused serious emotional overload  :lol:

James

Okay James, I now understand your comment about emotional overload. I'm experiencing it right now! :icon_frown:

Chris sent me a link to the latest beta firmware releases. The username/password of the unit didn't take much effort to suss out (especially considering the hint given by scrolling through the op panel) and the immediate response returned upon my initiating the update was encouraging enough. Unfortunately, the positive feelings ended right there. Since the release note indicated as much as a 90 minute load process, I waited a full 2 hours before grabbing the following screenshots.

After 2 hours, there was no apparent progress.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65537)

The system log doesn't give me that warm and fuzzy feeling either.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65538)

I attempted to reboot by clicking 'Reboot BDP1' - nothing happened. Cycling the power was uneventful, and the device still operates as it did before attempting the firmware upgrade. Here's a shot illustrating the current version. To be honest, I couldn't resist laughing when I first saw this page - the firmware released on April 1st was declared final (good one). :lol:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65542)

So, I suppose I need Chris' help at this point. FWIW, I have no problem pushing files from my PC to the USB thumb drive inserted in the BDP-1.

For now, I'll just use it as it is. I really like this device. I have no doubt we'll iron this little wrinkle out easily enough.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 04:59 pm
I assume you hit REFREASH ON THE BROWSER with the page loaded?

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 21 Jul 2012, 05:43 pm
Thanks for the quick response,

Yes sir, after capturing the screenshot, I did a refresh and then the right pane was completely blank.

I started with the file dated the 17th. After that one failed to load, I went backwards to the oldest one available for download (12th) - same result. It's puzzling. I'm just glad it's still working.

I'm rather curious about the following messages which keep repeating:
 
bryston-bdp-1 avahi-daemon[4691]: Received response with invalid source port 32768 on interface 'eth0.0'

bryston-bdp-1 init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes

I really wish I had looked at the log prior to attempting the firmware upgrade.  :duh:

---

For giggles, after cycling the power, I tried to change the theme - nope. Clicking on reboot does nothing - same for resetting to factory settings.  :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: SHV on 21 Jul 2012, 05:51 pm
As a long shot, have you tried unplugging and replugging the power cord?  On a couple occasions, this has solved odd behavior from my BDP.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2012, 05:53 pm
Thanks for the quick response,

Yes sir, after capturing the screenshot, I did a refresh and then the right pane was completely blank.

I started with the file dated the 17th. After that one failed to load, I went backwards to the oldest one available for download (12th) - same result. It's puzzling. I'm just glad it's still working.

I'm rather curious about the following messages which keep repeating:
 
bryston-bdp-1 avahi-daemon[4691]: Received response with invalid source port 32768 on interface 'eth0.0'

bryston-bdp-1 init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes

I really wish I had looked at the log prior to attempting the firmware upgrade.  :duh:

---

For giggles, after cycling the power, I tried to change the theme - nope. Clicking on reboot does nothing - same for resetting to factory settings.  :scratch:

Ok I am on holidays but give Chris Rice a call at Bryston on Monday 1-800-632-8217

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 21 Jul 2012, 06:08 pm
Well then, you should be enjoying yourself - not conversing with an impatient cuss like I'm being. Honestly, this isn't a big deal - as I said, it plays the USB sourced files fine. I can wait a few days to get it going with the NAS. Whatever is amiss will get sorted soon enough. It hasn't diminished my impression of this device. It's just the way things sometimes go when a computer is in the mix.  :wink:

I'll contact Chris Monday. Thanks again.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 21 Jul 2012, 06:09 pm
As a long shot, have you tried unplugging and replugging the power cord?  On a couple occasions, this has solved odd behavior from my BDP.

Steve

No, I confess that I haven't tried that yet. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try that now...

That didn't help. For giggles, I opened port 22 through my router for the IP used by the BDP-1. That made no difference either.

As a last shot in the dark, I isolated the BDP and my notebook, which stopped the avahi-daemon generated message - started again as soon as my network was back in business. I've had enough of this fun for the day. I'll just use it as it was delivered until I chat with Chris, unless someone else has an idea.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 25 Jul 2012, 12:09 am
I called Chris - problem solved. It was a permissions issue with the firmware in the unit I bought, which makes me feel a bit better. Anyway, Chris straightened it all out and now I have firmware that supports NAS (and I'll be able to do upgrades in the future). The NAS connectivity was a snap to set up and it works great. The Max/Mini software is slicker and quicker than what I originally had.

Mike Pickett was kind enough to send me a CCF. I can now operate the basic controls with my RC9001 (the Marantz version of the Pronto TSU9600).

I tip my hat to Bryston's superb customer support. :thumb:

Anyone considering a BDP-1 for use with a NAS - just go for it. You'll be :D !
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 25 Jul 2012, 01:27 am
James or Chris,
Is the latest software available for upgrade or is still beta? I would like to have it for my Synology.... :oops:
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 01:50 am
James or Chris,
Is the latest software available for upgrade or is still beta? I would like to have it for my Synology.... :oops:

Official release is Aug 1st

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 25 Jul 2012, 02:00 am
Official release is Aug 1st

James

James can you give us a list of the features of the new release assuming there is more than the NAS?

Dave
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2012, 02:24 am
James can you give us a list of the features of the new release assuming there is more than the NAS?

Dave

Hi Dave

The NAS is the main feature and a few minor bug fixes

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 25 Jul 2012, 02:39 am
Hi Dave

The NAS is the main feature and a few minor bug fixes

James

Thanks James. Even if one doesn't want the NAS feature, it's good to get the bugs out.

Dave
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jul 2012, 02:41 am
James or Chris,
Is the latest software available for upgrade or is still beta? I would like to have it for my Synology.... :oops:

Hi,

The firmware is in just the last phase of development, just fixing minor things (mostly of cosmetic nature). Should be ready end of this week/early next week.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jul 2012, 02:47 am
Hi All,

The new firmware resolves an issue that may occur with some bdp's running the S1.40 firmware from a few months back.  This issue unfortunently was never experienced by any at bryston or any of out beta tresters, so it slipped out.  There is also a upnp client feature, still in Beta and turned off by default.  This feature can be turned On via the settings page, under a new services panel.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 25 Jul 2012, 02:56 am
Hi All,

The new firmware resolves an issue that may occur with some bdp's running the S1.40 firmware from a few months back.  This issue unfortunently was never experienced by any at bryston or any of out beta tresters, so it slipped out.  There is also a upnp client feature, still in Beta and turned off by default.  This feature can be turned On via the settings page, under a new services panel.

Chris


Thanks Chris. Reading your message I was wondering if you're doing some kind of instruction sheet or manual with the update package to help users with features such as upnp, NAS, etc. I confess that I usually end up doing a lot of trial and error when using new features and it helps to get some guidance as it is with the manuals we get with hardware.

Dave
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 25 Jul 2012, 10:48 am
Hi Chris,
have you found a way to select separate folders/maps as shares, instead of the complete drive? Thus making it possible to have several shares on the same drive?

Marius


Hi All,

The new firmware resolves an issue that may occur with some bdp's running the S1.40 firmware from a few months back.  This issue unfortunently was never experienced by any at bryston or any of out beta tresters, so it slipped out.  There is also a upnp client feature, still in Beta and turned off by default.  This feature can be turned On via the settings page, under a new services panel.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jul 2012, 02:04 pm
Hi Marius,

The manual for the CIFS (aka Samba) plugin for the mount (the piece of software that allows the BDP to see USB/Network Drives) command does make mention of mounting a sub folder in a network share.  Meaning it should be possible, if not I have another way around it which i have already tested as I was in the same boat as you as well.  All my media files on one share; however i just want to make sure I haven't bitten off more then a can chew before I start adding to many features to the NAS Setup control panel.  It is a feature to come, how soon all depends on how many support calls i end up taking because of the feature next week when we go to release it.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 25 Jul 2012, 04:26 pm
Great!
good to hear your working on it, we'll sit and relax till you're done.  :thumb:

have to find out Mountain Lion in the meantime anyway.

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

The manual for the CIFS (aka Samba) plugin for the mount (the piece of software that allows the BDP to see USB/Network Drives) command does make mention of mounting a sub folder in a network share.  Meaning it should be possible, if not I have another way around it which i have already tested as I was in the same boat as you as well.  All my media files on one share; however i just want to make sure I haven't bitten off more then a can chew before I start adding to many features to the NAS Setup control panel.  It is a feature to come, how soon all depends on how many support calls i end up taking because of the feature next week when we go to release it.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 26 Jul 2012, 02:04 pm
Chris how we will find out the day? Are you gone post here or software section?
Can you guys just simple post it on Bryston website for everybody? I find awkward to email each time and ask for instead to go at Bryston website.
thanks

Hi,

The firmware is in just the last phase of development, just fixing minor things (mostly of cosmetic nature). Should be ready end of this week/early next week.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 26 Jul 2012, 02:31 pm
Hi,

The latest firmware revision is posted on our web site.

http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-1.html

lower right

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 26 Jul 2012, 02:38 pm
Thanks Chris but I am talking about an easy download way without providing serial # or dealer.
I mean who can use this other than us BDP customers? To me it should be available 24/7 for download at Bryston website.
keep up the good work!

Hi,

The latest firmware revision is posted on our web site.

http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-1.html

lower right

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 26 Jul 2012, 07:22 pm
Funny you should mention that, James and I were talking about it just yesturday and have come to the conclusion that our next release (not the one being released in a couple of days) will include a notification centre on the BDP home page.  So every time you visit your BDP's home page it will notify you if you would like to install the latest firmware.  This should make updating a one click event.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 27 Jul 2012, 01:31 am
Great News...!
Thanks again.

Funny you should mention that, James and I were talking about it just yesturday and have come to the conclusion that our next release (not the one being released in a couple of days) will include a notification centre on the BDP home page.  So every time you visit your BDP's home page it will notify you if you would like to install the latest firmware.  This should make updating a one click event.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: jjc1 on 27 Jul 2012, 04:29 pm
+1 for TuneIn Radio, I use it every day on my Sonos Connect at work just to access Internet radio, it really is faultless + it's available to listen to on a PC, Apple or Android and you can save favourite radio stations to access across all platforms, if the BDP-1 was one of those platforms I would be a very happy bunny :)
+1 for TuneIn Radio, I use it every day on my Sonos Connect at work just to access Internet radio, it really is faultless + it's available to listen to on a PC, Apple or Android and you can save favourite radio stations to access across all platforms, if the BDP-1 was one of those platforms I would be a very happy bunny :)
  TuneIn radio is a great app. It would be a great addition for the BDP1.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2012, 04:22 pm
Hi Folks,

Really nice comments from Kevin regarding the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player and the new NAS Feature as well as customer service (the folks behind the scenes at Bryston that make me look good!)




"James,

I don't usually write letters of this sort, but I believe the BDP-1 deserves special recognition. It is simply perfect – a very rare quality. My only complaint is that I didn't buy it sooner – I regret trying other players first (because the BDP-1 didn't support NAS). Those other devices left me frustrated and disappointed. The BDP-1 has done the exact opposite. I couldn't be happier with it, and that's not hyperbole.

Bryston should be commended for creating a digital music player for audiophiles. As such, it does not include an inboard DAC – that would be superfluous as I'd posit that nearly all of us already have a cherished DAC. So, kudos for not making me waste money on a feature that I don't need. My money was spent on flawless performance, stunning build quality and a very polished control interface. Thank you for including the ability to operate the basic functions via an IR remote. Thank you for recognizing the need for seamless transitioning between files. Thank you for creating such ergonomic control software – software that even displays cover art while playing *.wav files if I simply drop a *.jpg into the folder for each album. In short, thank you for taking this product seriously enough to think deeply about the needs of its users. The BDP-1 squarely hit those needs, in my opinion.

As the BDP-1 operates solely in the digital domain, I'm not sure I can comment on how it sounds, but I will say that I find no fault in that regard. Combined with my DAC (an Audio Research DAC7 (sorry ;-)), it betters anything else I've ever owned. Even better, it does that while providing a level of convenience I never thought possible (until recently).

I can sum up my opinion of the BDP-1 with a single word – perfect. I can't say that about many other things I own. There was, however, a permissions glitch with the firmware that was in the unit I purchased. To Bryston's credit, that was resolved brilliantly by Chris Rice – the new firmware not only solved that issue, but enhanced the pleasure of operating the player. These things can happen, but the important thing is how they are handled – this could not have been handled better. I also wish to express my gratitude to Mike Pickett, who was kind enough to send me a CCF from which I could harvest the IR codes for my remote.

This customer's satisfaction level is pegged. The BDP-1 is, in my opinion, THE benchmark product in its category and its manufacturer demonstrates customer support that should be the model for the industry.

Thank You,
Kevin P. Crowley"


PS Thank you, also, for listening to the customers (and prospective customers) who asked for NAS support. That move pushed the BDP-1 into my target range and I couldn't pull the trigger fast enough when that happened!
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 29 Jul 2012, 11:36 am
Hi Chris,

Finally got to testing the latest firmware.

few questions:
the stop button on the settingspage doesn;t allow to resume playing after stopping, is this designed behaviour? I would have liked a kind of pause-button that resumes from where you pushed the stop-button. (then again, it isn;t a pause button....)

if i click that stop-button the play window displays some cryptic figures:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65740)

again, it would be nice if it just stopped/paused, ready to resume where stopped.

If I click the lower-right home-button, i'm taken to the settings-page, and not the home-page like in the browser-pane, where home takes us to the root of the drives.

Max (1 not 2) doesnt show all drives anymore, ( I did delete the Safari-browser cache and refreshed a couple of times) whereas Max2 works like a dream. I suspect you want to leave Max1, but in the dropdownbox on the settings-page, Max still takes us to Max1. If that;s correct and meant to be, Max 1 should have the drive-listing in order...

on the settings-drives page, all drives are displayed in order of: usb, hdd's, networkshares. I kinda like that, maybe you could provide an indication of the drive-type with that. On the other hand, in Max 2 the drives are listed alphabetically, which in my case makes it kinda messy... Would it be possible to change that? And related to that, could we make an alias to the drive names? now ive got  Itunedhdd_oncbctimecapsule_ as a drive name, where ItunesHDD would suffice for example. Is there a way to fix that?

one minor detail that keeps confusing me: in the MAx2 interface the play button is also stop button  (very much unlike the stopbutton on the Settingspage). It would be very nice if you could  change that and make it toggle bewteen stop-square/play-arrow. like the little window next to it. The pause button has no real use because pushing the play button acts the same way? Maybe change that into a stop-button?

I haven't tested the shh commands you asked me yet, have to unpack before that..... I can tell you that after coming home and turning on the power again, it took more than 8 hours for the bdp to update. I hope we will make improvements on that.

Thanks for all the work and progress!

Marius

Hi,

The latest firmware revision is posted on our web site.

http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-1.html

lower right

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jul 2012, 06:44 pm
Hi Marius,

Just to make sure we are both on the same page the following is considered the home page

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63750)

I ask as i am a little confused as i don't remember including a stop button in the settings page, although i am quite forgetful; there is no denying that.  As I did forget to fix that glitch in Max 2 that you have posted as a picture in your post.  I will have to fix that later today.... maybe after the women's 100m butterfly  :wink:

Although maybe i shouldn't wait as I will be liable to forget by then.

Max 1 isn't really Max 1 from the original firmware, when we released the Loony Loon firmware to replace Canadian Beaver; Max 1 went through a bit of a rewrite.  An attempt to make it perform faster then the original, the result was a faster interface but at the cost of reliability.  You'll notice the same issue that Max 1 is experiencing with Mini 2, as Mini 2 is based on the same underlying code as Max 1.  We are aware of it and have plan to update Mini 2 in the near future and plan to replace Max 1 with a Internet Explorer friendly Max IE.

We are leaving Max 1 in as we don't want to take it out as we don't want to upset customers that may still want to make use of it.

The MPD clients list the drives in the order in which they are stored in the database, where as the settings page (Drive Information) generates its list not from MPD, but a system file ("/proc/mounts") which stores mount point in the order in which they have been mounted.  Naturally USB drives mount first as BDP isn't waiting for a network interface to come up before it can mount the USB drives. 

Granted the play button isn't actually a play button, but rather a toggle button.  It toggles between pause and play, this is a design of MPD.

Hope I have answered your question, if not or would like further explanation feel free to reply.

Cheers,
Chris




Hi Chris,

Finally got to testing the latest firmware.

few questions:
the stop button on the settingspage doesn;t allow to resume playing after stopping, is this designed behaviour? I would have liked a kind of pause-button that resumes from where you pushed the stop-button. (then again, it isn;t a pause button....)

if i click that stop-button the play window displays some cryptic figures:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65740)

again, it would be nice if it just stopped/paused, ready to resume where stopped.

If I click the lower-right home-button, i'm taken to the settings-page, and not the home-page like in the browser-pane, where home takes us to the root of the drives.

Max (1 not 2) doesnt show all drives anymore, ( I did delete the Safari-browser cache and refreshed a couple of times) whereas Max2 works like a dream. I suspect you want to leave Max1, but in the dropdownbox on the settings-page, Max still takes us to Max1. If that;s correct and meant to be, Max 1 should have the drive-listing in order...

on the settings-drives page, all drives are displayed in order of: usb, hdd's, networkshares. I kinda like that, maybe you could provide an indication of the drive-type with that. On the other hand, in Max 2 the drives are listed alphabetically, which in my case makes it kinda messy... Would it be possible to change that? And related to that, could we make an alias to the drive names? now ive got  Itunedhdd_oncbctimecapsule_ as a drive name, where ItunesHDD would suffice for example. Is there a way to fix that?

one minor detail that keeps confusing me: in the MAx2 interface the play button is also stop button  (very much unlike the stopbutton on the Settingspage). It would be very nice if you could  change that and make it toggle bewteen stop-square/play-arrow. like the little window next to it. The pause button has no real use because pushing the play button acts the same way? Maybe change that into a stop-button?

I haven't tested the shh commands you asked me yet, have to unpack before that..... I can tell you that after coming home and turning on the power again, it took more than 8 hours for the bdp to update. I hope we will make improvements on that.

Thanks for all the work and progress!

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 29 Jul 2012, 08:45 pm
Gee Marius, I guess my assessment of 'perfect' was slightly off the mark. :lol: Since I use my IR remote for the basic functions, I haven't noticed the issues you mentioned. I'll rephrase my comment to say that it is perfect for me. Besides, those are really just software kinks that I expect will get ironed out by Chris soon enough. I'm really impressed with the fact that Bryston is not resting, but is working to make this device better and better.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jul 2012, 11:50 pm
Gee Marius, I guess my assessment of 'perfect' was slightly off the mark. :lol: Since I use my IR remote for the basic functions, I haven't noticed the issues you mentioned. I'll rephrase my comment to say that it is perfect for me. Besides, those are really just software kinks that I expect will get ironed out by Chris soon enough. I'm really impressed with the fact that Bryston is not resting, but is working to make this device better and better.

Don't be to hard on Marius, the man has single handily doubled my billables :wink:

Keep up the good work Marius, I'm trying to save up for a Pair of Model-T's

I'm just joking i'm on salary at Bryston, but Marius does do a good job testing the software for us.  Like I said in my previous post, I had completely forgotten about one of the bugs he had mentioned, i would  have likely forgotten about it until someone else pointed it out.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: srb on 29 Jul 2012, 11:55 pm
Don't be to hard on Marius, the man has single handily doubled my billables :wink:

This goes to show you that one person can make a difference.

That doesn't come without putting in the work, though.  Out of 876 total AudioCircle forum posts, 581 have been in the Bryston BDP-1 Hi-Res Digital Player circle!

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jul 2012, 02:02 am
This goes to show you that one person can make a difference.

That doesn't come without putting in the work, though.  Out of 876 total AudioCircle forum posts, 581 have been in the Bryston BDP-1 Hi-Res Digital Player circle!

Steve

Funny you should mention that Steve, its almost like we could have used our on web forum or wiki from the beginning.  Are you sure those number are correct?  I suspect there are more then 876 posts in the BDP-1 section alone.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: srb on 30 Jul 2012, 02:17 am
Are you sure those number are correct?  I suspect there are more then 876 posts in the BDP-1 section alone.

Of Marius' 876 total AudioCircle posts, 581 of them have been in the BDP-1 circle.

The BDP-1 circle has 6724 posts spanning 274 topics.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jul 2012, 02:34 am
Of Marius' 876 total AudioCircle posts, 581 of them have been in the BDP-1 circle.

The BDP-1 circle has 6724 posts spanning 274 topics.

Steve

Thanks for the clarification Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 30 Jul 2012, 07:08 am
sorry for that, of course I should have said home-page instead of settings-page  :duh:

guess it all boils down to whether you want a computer-approach or an audio-user approach. your answer leads me to believe you more or less follow the former. You explain why things are as they are, luckily for us with great expertise, being a product of technique and computer-logic. And most forum members won't not have a problem with that, we like to fiddle around with our BDP's.
But if you'd go for the latter a bit more, and take the perspective of the less technical savvy potential customer-base into account, you just might find them on your side too..

as for the other remarks in the subsequent postings: surely, you jest?

Thanks,
Marius

 

Hi Marius,

Just to make sure we are both on the same page the following is considered the home page

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63750)

I ask as i am a little confused as i don't remember including a stop button in the settings page, although i am quite forgetful; there is no denying that.  As I did forget to fix that glitch in Max 2 that you have posted as a picture in your post.  I will have to fix that later today.... maybe after the women's 100m butterfly  :wink:

Although maybe i shouldn't wait as I will be liable to forget by then.

Max 1 isn't really Max 1 from the original firmware, when we released the Loony Loon firmware to replace Canadian Beaver; Max 1 went through a bit of a rewrite.  An attempt to make it perform faster then the original, the result was a faster interface but at the cost of reliability.  You'll notice the same issue that Max 1 is experiencing with Mini 2, as Mini 2 is based on the same underlying code as Max 1.  We are aware of it and have plan to update Mini 2 in the near future and plan to replace Max 1 with a Internet Explorer friendly Max IE.

We are leaving Max 1 in as we don't want to take it out as we don't want to upset customers that may still want to make use of it.

The MPD clients list the drives in the order in which they are stored in the database, where as the settings page (Drive Information) generates its list not from MPD, but a system file ("/proc/mounts") which stores mount point in the order in which they have been mounted.  Naturally USB drives mount first as BDP isn't waiting for a network interface to come up before it can mount the USB drives. 

Granted the play button isn't actually a play button, but rather a toggle button.  It toggles between pause and play, this is a design of MPD.

Hope I have answered your question, if not or would like further explanation feel free to reply.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jul 2012, 03:05 pm
Hi Marius,

To be fair i did think about the home page from the audio perspective.  My line of thinking was if your listening to music and wish to pause it, the user will likely already have Max 2, mPod, or any of the existing play back interfaces open.  From how I use my system and from what i have gathered from other users is that once the playlist is setup (or a radio station is chosen) they just sit back and soak in the music.  Until they are done, in which case they want to do one of three things.

1. Turn the BDP off
2. Stop playing the music, leave the BDP on to be resumed later
3. Clear the playlist, leave the BDP on as to not worry about updating the database next time they wish to listen

The decisions at the time were made for the following reasons and maybe this is the technical part that is misleading me.

Turning the BDP off can only be done from the front, so there is no option for it on the homepage.  Update button was given for users who copy music to the BDP remotely over the network, with an indicator to show that the system is updating.  A clear and stop buttons so that the user may quickly (assuming he has closed his playback client) clear the playlist or stop playing music.  Finally a play button was added to indicate if the BDP was currently playing audio.  Finally i didn't want to overburden the homepage with two many things, the last thing i want is a user opening the home page and feeling over burden.  The homepage still has more things to do.

Yes the comments were meant to be in jest

Finally if you still disagree with my line of thinking i think there is still a middle ground that can be found here regarding this stop vs pause malarkey.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 30 Jul 2012, 03:29 pm
Hi Chris,

Great, thanks for this.

Don't take me wrong, I don't disagree with you, nor am I in the position to do so.
What struck me in the latest firmware were some inconsistencies between the various 'pages' of the Bryston interface. Main point is that the operating commands spread  over those pages don't act the same way, nor do they give the same user-feedback in the interface.

If you'd ask me, I would have the music-commands on one page, currently justly called player-page, and the BDP machine commands (power on/off, update etc etc), on the home-page. That way all confusion would be eliminated. oath, some doubling with the settings-page could occur....

My other main remark was about the way the drives are represented. Not always consistent through the various pages, and some cosmetic editing of the way they are represented could help increase clarity of the interface.

I see where you're  coming from though, and its always good to try and look from different perspectives.

What could be the reason Max 1 is not showing all folders, whereas Max 2 does list them correctly?

And a small extra: Just now i copied some files to the drives, and was surprised the bdp1 looks like this in finder:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=63663)

'root' is because of the testing commands you gave me earlier, but the top folder is a share that needn't be there i guess. could that have to do with the setting "view hidden files"?

Marius



Hi Marius,

To be fair i did think about the home page from the audio perspective.  My line of thinking was if your listening to music and wish to pause it, the user will likely already have Max 2, mPod, or any of the existing play back interfaces open.  From how I use my system and from what i have gathered from other users is that once the playlist is setup (or a radio station is chosen) they just sit back and soak in the music.  Until they are done, in which case they want to do one of three things.

1. Turn the BDP off
2. Stop playing the music, leave the BDP on to be resumed later
3. Clear the playlist, leave the BDP on as to not worry about updating the database next time they wish to listen

The decisions at the time were made for the following reasons and maybe this is the technical part that is misleading me.

Turning the BDP off can only be done from the front, so there is no option for it on the homepage.  Update button was given for users who copy music to the BDP remotely over the network, with an indicator to show that the system is updating.  A clear and stop buttons so that the user may quickly (assuming he has closed his playback client) clear the playlist or stop playing music.  Finally a play button was added to indicate if the BDP was currently playing audio.  Finally i didn't want to overburden the homepage with two many things, the last thing i want is a user opening the home page and feeling over burden.  The homepage still has more things to do.

Yes the comments were meant to be in jest

Finally if you still disagree with my line of thinking i think there is still a middle ground that can be found here regarding this stop vs pause malarkey.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: kevin360 on 30 Jul 2012, 03:56 pm
If I may interject, I think the device does cater to classic audio component usage by virtue of its IR remote control capabilities. I use my notebook or tablet to queue up a playlist and then I set the computer aside and use my remote for basic control. It's just like having a CD player once the playlist is created, except that I can sit back and listen to a really long CD (that's assembled from quite a few). It's great having the basic controls along with my volume control and what-not. I think it's brilliant.

I'll mention two competing products here, as well as how they compare on this subject. The SONOS has a terrific control program, but completely lacks IR control of the basic functions. I'd prefer not to be tethered to my notebook or tablet. The Marantz NA-7004 is built like an audio component with proper controls via IR, but its software control app is kludgy, at best.

I thought the Bryston app in the old firmware compared favorably with the SONOS, but the newer app is actually better. Another cool point in favor of Bryston's app is that fact that it will display album art that's placed in the folder of the file being played – something that neither of the aforementioned do. Being able to control the device with my remote seals the deal – Bryston nailed it!

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I'm not trying to be hard on Marius. I think his feedback is terrific. He really gets down to the nitty gritty, which is a good thing. What's better, however, is the interaction between him and Chris. It's a great example of how this should be done.

You two guys keep at it! :beer:
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 31 Jul 2012, 07:36 am
HI Kevin,

Not sure of your 'app' definition, but if you mean the na7004's web interface I totally agree with you, clumsy and rather slow. Then again, Marantz make a real App, which with the latest updates became quite nice. The lack of gapless playing is a bummer, but the Na7004 is played on a daily basis in this household (using the BDA1 to do the computing) if only because of the internet-radio functionality. Specially in this festival-season, with great concerts from all over the world, any time of day. I find it hard to keep my #wagnerlive tweetstream up to date nowadays....

Because of the Marantz (marantzradio.com) I learned about Vtuner, pointed Chris to it for the BDP MAx interface, and on this forum a Tune-in preference started to emerge, which I use now, because indeed it is a more polished service. Shows the benefits of an open forum like AC. Must admit I use it to stream to my Airplay supporting Na7004/BDA1. Would be great if the BDP could do that too......I'd be glad to pay the extra 40 for that.

Which takes me back to the BDP and its software: I must agree with Davenote on the compliments to those that operate the BDP with its front panel. I can't read the display, and in fact only use the buttons to power on/off. I use the BR2 for that too, and some of the basic commands. But mainly for volume/mute. Works great and never fails. It indeed works like a charm. When setup.

And that's the clinger of course, the BDP needs to be prepared,setup and loaded. And to be honest, on that basic and essential aspect the BDP is nowhere without an external device with separate software, let alone to be used to its full and amazing potential. Even the mobile MPD apps, which are great, don't unlock that completely.

Compare that to a cd-player, and imagine the need for preparing that with your pc/laptop before being able to play it....it just wouldn't be acceptable. Or sold.

Because of that Bryston is justly very keen on developing Max. And we're all here give our feedback. Crowdsourcing par excellence . Big kudos for Bryston to listen to it's customers. That's one of the reasons I buy Bryston.

The downside of this crowdsourcing however, specially combined with the beta-testing of the consecutive firmware versions, with its frequent comments, is that it can be rather annoying for some forum-members.
Maybe a separate beta-topic in the Bryston AC could help? That way members are helped selecting their fundamentals from the nitty gritty  :D


Cheers indeed  :beer:
Marius

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 12 Aug 2012, 03:22 pm
No news yet for a stable version,please?

Official release is Aug 1st

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Aug 2012, 04:04 pm
No news yet for a stable version,please?

Hi - yes the new version of the software has been released in production - email Mike and he will forward it.

mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 12 Aug 2012, 05:21 pm
Hi - yes the new version of the software has been released in production - email Mike and he will forward it.
mpickett@bryston.com
james
email sent.

James, all my other devices, (Popcorn Hour, Freeview & Freesat boxes and TV) check automatically for updates and update automatically if you select "Yes".
Can't the BD-1 do the same?
Most of my software does the same, Photoshop, Office, Windows etc etc etc.
Just a thought to make it a damn sight more convient for you customers?
Just a thought
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 15 Aug 2012, 05:39 am
email sent.

James, all my other devices, (Popcorn Hour, Freeview & Freesat boxes and TV) check automatically for updates and update automatically if you select "Yes".
Can't the BD-1 do the same?
Most of my software does the same, Photoshop, Office, Windows etc etc etc.
Just a thought to make it a damn sight more convient for you customers?
Just a thought


No comments??????
If Bryston can modify the firmware to contact a time server to set the time, checking updates should't be beyond scope?

BTW, I sent an email last weekend asking for the latest firmware and I'm yet to receive a reply :(
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2012, 05:44 am
Hi Terry

Mike has been away so send me the email and I will forward the new software
jamestanner@bryston.com

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 15 Aug 2012, 09:07 am
Hi Terry

Mike has been away so send me the email and I will forward the new software
jamestanner@bryston.com

James

Thanks James, I'll send it when I get back home.
Any comments on the BDP-1 automatically detecting when new updates are availanle?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
Thanks James, I'll send it when I get back home.
Any comments on the BDP-1 automatically detecting when new updates are availanle?

We are looking at how best to offer it with some security.

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: terrycym on 15 Aug 2012, 06:22 pm
That would be much appreciated, well done!
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: BrysTony on 15 Aug 2012, 10:23 pm
I have upgraded my software but am not having any luck in getting the BDP-1 to "see" my NAS (Apple Time Capsule).  Under NAS setup it shows the time capsule and when I click on it it populates the screen with everything but userid and password.  I have tried several things but cannot get past the next screen where it asks for share name.  Can anyone help?

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 16 Aug 2012, 06:14 am
Hi Tony,

Do u see multiple instances of the TC? If so, check for the correct IP address. In my setup there are several TC's, and I have only 1 ;-)
Also, if you have an hdd attached to the TC, you will see, once you get there, both the TC and the Hdd as options for your share. So if you want both the TC and the hdd to be seen as share by the BDP1, you select those by selecting the same TC in the initial page on NAs-settings.


Hope this helps.
Marius

I have upgraded my software but am not having any luck in getting the BDP-1 to "see" my NAS (Apple Time Capsule).  Under NAS setup it shows the time capsule and when I click on it it populates the screen with everything but userid and password.  I have tried several things but cannot get past the next screen where it asks for share name.  Can anyone help?

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: mpv on 17 Aug 2012, 02:04 pm
James,I emailed but unfortunate I did not received anything from Mike.I also see on BDP page is still listed the old firmware since May. Could you help? Maybe is not ready yet a stable version.
Thanks and keep up the good work!

Hi - yes the new version of the software has been released in production - email Mike and he will forward it.

mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Ren on 17 Aug 2012, 05:19 pm
Sorry if this is off-topic, but I haven't seen this discussed elsewhere. 

I have a wireless home network which includes a NAS drive connected to the wired / wireless router via a short network cable.  With the new NAS support feature in the BDP-1, could I possibly access and play FLAC files stored on the NAS via a wireless network bridge like a Linksys WET610N Dual-Band N Bridge?

Doing so would allow me to rip and wirelessly transfer music files to the NAS (as I now do), then play them with the BDP-1 from another room without phaysically bringing the drive into my listening room.

Or is there another way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

Steven
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: srb on 17 Aug 2012, 05:35 pm
Yes.  Whether you use wired Ethernet, a powerline network adapter or a wireless bridge/network adapter, it all fuctions the same.  Using the wireless network bridge successfully will depend upon the wireless signal strength between your router and the BDP-1 location.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Aug 2012, 08:33 pm

No comments??????
If Bryston can modify the firmware to contact a time server to set the time, checking updates should't be beyond scope?

BTW, I sent an email last weekend asking for the latest firmware and I'm yet to receive a reply :(

Hi Terry,

Sorry for the delay'd response, James has been keeping me super busy these last couple of weeks.  Yes the auto update checker feature for the bdp-1 is being worked on and will be available in our next update (due end of summer/early fall).  If you still havn't recieved the firmware update please feel free to email crice@bryston.com
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Aug 2012, 08:35 pm
Hi Tony,

Do u see multiple instances of the TC? If so, check for the correct IP address. In my setup there are several TC's, and I have only 1 ;-)
Also, if you have an hdd attached to the TC, you will see, once you get there, both the TC and the Hdd as options for your share. So if you want both the TC and the hdd to be seen as share by the BDP1, you select those by selecting the same TC in the initial page on NAs-settings.


Hope this helps.
Marius

Hi Guys,

It is a good idea to double check the settings when selecting them; however because the bdp checks both nebios and bonjour entries you may get doubles or even triple entries.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 21 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm
Hi Terry,

Sorry for the delay'd response, James has been keeping me super busy these last couple of weeks.  Yes the auto update checker feature for the bdp-1 is being worked on and will be available in our next update (due end of summer/early fall).  If you still havn't recieved the firmware update please feel free to email crice@bryston.com

Chris, could you please clarify this new update checker function. Will it allow BDP-1 users merely to see if there is a new firmware version, or will it also allow users to update to the new firmware version over the BDP-1?

When it was still supported, the Roku SoundBridge digital player allowed users to check and update right from the unit itself.

So, it has always seemed to me that this is the logical, and frankly, most user-friendly way for updates to be handled. While I love my BDP-1, which has become the heart of my whole audio system, the clunky way of updating by asking for someone at Bryston to send the update package via email has always seemed to me to be extremely retro. To use an analogy in terms of modern internet users, it is close to using email with the recipient having to reply via snail mail.

So, it seems to me the ideal - from the users point of view - is to be able to have the BDP-1 itself install updates rather than having to do it through a computer download.

The next best thing would be to be able the check for the availability of the update, and then go to the Bryston website and download from there.

The third, and IMO, the smallest and not much better step, would be to be able to check for the availability of new firmware via the BDP-1, but still have to email someone at Bryston asking for an email reply with the update package attached.

Can you identify, please, which of these three approaches will be used in the next upgrade?

Dave
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: jjc1 on 21 Aug 2012, 04:28 pm
   Chris, is there a new upgrade for the BDP1? What is the latest date ? Starting to get pretty confused.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 22 Aug 2012, 03:04 am
Hi all,

In our next release we will have on the bdp's home page a message indicating to the user that a new update has been made available.  This same message will also present the user with two options, to display a list of changes and a button to allow the user to install the new firmware.  This was the original plan, however the higher ups were hesitant to allow this as they thought it might cause headaches down the road.  Software, it's never perfect; otherwise I'd probobly wouldn't have a full time job at Bryston.  They just recently about a month ago Have given me the go ahead to reimpose meant the original update method that had never shipped with the bdp, but was originally intended.

Cheers,
Chris

Btw, the latest official shipping firmware is s1.48
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: DaveNote on 22 Aug 2012, 03:32 am
Hi all,

In our next release we will have on the bdp's home page a message indicating to the user that a new update has been made available.  This same message will also present the user with two options, to display a list of changes and a button to allow the user to install the new firmware.  This was the original plan, however the higher ups were hesitant to allow this as they thought it might cause headaches down the road.  Software, it's never perfect; otherwise I'd probobly wouldn't have a full time job at Bryston.  They just recently about a month ago Have given me the go ahead to reimpose meant the original update method that had never shipped with the bdp, but was originally intended.

Cheers,
Chris

Btw, the latest official shipping firmware is s1.48

Thanks, Chris. This is a much better method than the present one, which I wish we had had all along. The other option I had in mind, downloading from the BDP-1 itself, probably wouldn't be better. On reflection it dawns on me it would mean using the control buttons on the BDP-1 itself, which I find to be the greatest weakness in a superb device. I find them to be almost entirely user unfriendly. Therefore, updating through the Brsyton Max homepage is best option available, and it will be a significant improvement.

Dave
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 23 Aug 2012, 08:18 am
Hi Chris,

to get back on the topic of NAS connectivity: I'm using a D-Link 855 router. A usb port is available, but to be able to use it D-Link Shareport utility must be installed. Does the BDP1 support this?

ftp://ftp.dlink.se/Products/dir-products/dir-855/Documentation/SharePort_USB_Utility.pdf

Never used it before, but it seems to shortest way to a central external storage for the network.

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Music Matters on 24 Aug 2012, 03:37 am
I have been meaning to post this for several weeks. Time flies when you're having fun with the BDP-1. I wanted to comment on Post #125 (above) posted by James from Mr. Kevin Crowley regarding the excellent customer service from Bryston, Ltd. I have had my BDP-1 for about 10 months now. I had some minor configuration and connectivity issues originally - not due to problems with the BDP-1- but due to my lack of knowledge of getting a device such as the BDP-1 up on a home network. Mr. James Tanner was excellent with his assistance to me and with the patience he showed. I did have things running in a short time with his assistance.

I am thorughly satisfied with the BDP-1. It is the best piece of audio hardware that I have, and it continues to amaze me how fine it sounds - so much better than playing CDs on the fly - and how well the mPad works as my GUI. Furthermore, James and Chris are always receptive to feedback from users and have provided a number of user friendly updates, including the most recent being NAS connectivity. I am an absolutely satisfied customer and again continue to be thrilled with the sound quality and the overall user friendliness of the BDP-1. Way to go, Bryston!! THANK YOU!!!!!!
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 24 Aug 2012, 05:41 am
Hi Chris,

to get back on the topic of NAS connectivity: I'm using a D-Link 855 router. A usb port is available, but to be able to use it D-Link Shareport utility must be installed. Does the BDP1 support this?

ftp://ftp.dlink.se/Products/dir-products/dir-855/Documentation/SharePort_USB_Utility.pdf

Never used it before, but it seems to shortest way to a central external storage for the network.

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Clearly the feature isn't working because you arn't/can't meet the minimum requirements of having an 800GHz processor

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=66746)

I actually have a dlink router at home with this feature; however i haven't looked at it extensively.  What I was able to gather about it after just looking at the feature a for a brief time is it does appear to be rather proprietary and suspect the BDP will not be able to make use of any drives attached to the Dlink.

Also the BDP only has a 500MHz processor and not an 800GHz processor  :wink:

If you would like to give a NAS a try and don't want to spend much money, western digital has a product line up by the name of "My Book Live".  These NAS drives are rather inexpensive and have okay performance (good enough to host 192k/24bit files).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 24 Aug 2012, 06:18 am
Hi Chris,

Thanks, i'll forget about it, even too much hassle on the MBP and WIn machines i have here. Proprietary being the main hassle indeed.
Marius

Hi Marius,

Clearly the feature isn't working because you arn't/can't meet the minimum requirements of having an 800GHz processor

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=66746)

I actually have a dlink router at home with this feature; however i haven't looked at it extensively.  What I was able to gather about it after just looking at the feature a for a brief time is it does appear to be rather proprietary and suspect the BDP will not be able to make use of any drives attached to the Dlink.

Also the BDP only has a 500MHz processor and not an 800GHz processor  :wink:

If you would like to give a NAS a try and don't want to spend much money, western digital has a product line up by the name of "My Book Live".  These NAS drives are rather inexpensive and have okay performance (good enough to host 192k/24bit files).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 24 Aug 2012, 11:46 am
HI Chris,

the reason I responded to Tony earlier about multiple instances of the Time capsule, and it having multiple ip addresses should have been checked more properly by me I guess. Ive got 2 listings with 169.254.241.161 address, and those are known faulty addresses. Probable sign of some incorrect network settings or other problems.

The other day, after changing the MB, I found only those two addresses, and had to manually enter the correct 192. etc address. That one sticks now, but so do the other 2 wrong ones.

Could this have to do with some setting on the BDP1, or would I have to look elsewhere. (would appreciate any hints as to here then...)

Marius

Hi Guys,

It is a good idea to double check the settings when selecting them; however because the bdp checks both nebios and bonjour entries you may get doubles or even triple entries.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: srb on 24 Aug 2012, 02:57 pm
Ive got 2 listings with 169.254.241.161 address, and those are known faulty addresses. Probable sign of some incorrect network settings or other problems.

The other day, after changing the MB, I found only those two addresses, and had to manually enter the correct 192. etc address. That one sticks now, but so do the other 2 wrong ones.

The 169.254.x.x addresses are self-configured IP addresses that clients self assign when they are configured to automatically receive an IP address from a DHCP server but are unable to find one.
 
Since home networks are fairly easy to manage having a limited number of clients, I find there are fewer problems if each device is configured with a static IP address.  You can still have your router's DHCP server enabled to automatically assign IP addresses to roaming DHCP-enabled clients, but you can enter all your static IP clients into the router's DHCP Reservation Table so that the router will not attempt to auto assign these reserved addresses.
 
Steve
 
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 25 Aug 2012, 08:22 am
they are also used by Bonjour according to this:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3798?viewlocale=nl_NL
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3798

Got the impression reading various sources 169. x.x.x addresses are configured automatically in case of misconfiguration of DHCP or other networkrelated issues, but this states under Additional Information they always there to facilitate Bonjour? In that case no issues then and not to worry?

Nas setup could filter these addresses out, since they won't work anyhow? Could clearup the clutter in the list a bit.

Marius


The 169.254.x.x addresses are self-configured IP addresses that clients self assign when they are configured to automatically receive an IP address from a DHCP server but are unable to find one.
 
Since home networks are fairly easy to manage having a limited number of clients, I find there are fewer problems if each device is configured with a static IP address.  You can still have your router's DHCP server enabled to automatically assign IP addresses to roaming DHCP-enabled clients, but you can enter all your static IP clients into the router's DHCP Reservation Table so that the router will not attempt to auto assign these reserved addresses.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Sep 2012, 02:03 am
Hi Marius,

Bonjour also operates under ipv6 although your ipv4 addresses do not match up; the NAS setup will still display entries that have been assigned self assigned ipv4 addresses.  However as the NAS setup is limit to ipv4 addresses it won't be able to connect.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 17 Sep 2012, 06:49 am
Hi Chris,

No problem, other then it being rather confusing for the non-technical and non-IP-savy users. If you'd implement a filter for those addresses, I think it would be easier and more userfriendly. It's not very comfortable being able to select addresses that you are unable to connect to in the first place.

Cheers,
Marius



Hi Marius,

Bonjour also operates under ipv6 although your ipv4 addresses do not match up; the NAS setup will still display entries that have been assigned self assigned ipv4 addresses.  However as the NAS setup is limit to ipv4 addresses it won't be able to connect.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 18 Sep 2012, 02:45 am
HI Chris,

the reason I responded to Tony earlier about multiple instances of the Time capsule, and it having multiple ip addresses should have been checked more properly by me I guess. Ive got 2 listings with 169.254.241.161 address, and those are known faulty addresses. Probable sign of some incorrect network settings or other problems.

The other day, after changing the MB, I found only those two addresses, and had to manually enter the correct 192. etc address. That one sticks now, but so do the other 2 wrong ones.

Could this have to do with some setting on the BDP1, or would I have to look elsewhere. (would appreciate any hints as to here then...)

Marius

Hi Marius,

Those self assigned ip addresses could be any number of things.  Honestly I would have to capture some network traffi
c to know for sure.  It could be the bdp or a computer on the network

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 18 Sep 2012, 02:47 am
Hi Chris,

No problem, other then it being rather confusing for the non-technical and non-IP-savy users. If you'd implement a filter for those addresses, I think it would be easier and more userfriendly. It's not very comfortable being able to select addresses that you are unable to connect to in the first place.

Cheers,
Marius

Excellent point, ifs not updated by the end of the week send me a reminder.

I'm hip deep in rebuilding the software that runs the LCD and buttons on the front of the bdp.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 18 Sep 2012, 05:21 am
Hi
Chris ,

Filtering the 169.x.x.x addresses is the object here, no further capturing or testing would be necessary? Isn't that standard protocol?
Which you know to be useless for the bdp1?

nevermind, several post were mixed. good to see you'll update accordingly!

Marius

 


Hi Marius,

Those self assigned ip addresses could be any number of things.  Honestly I would have to capture some network traffi
c to know for sure.  It could be the bdp or a computer on the network

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 18 Sep 2012, 05:23 am
Wonderful! Hope you can make it scrolling the file names finally!
Marius

Excellent point, ifs not updated by the end of the week send me a reminder.

I'm hip deep in rebuilding the software that runs the LCD and buttons on the front of the bdp.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Wim J on 24 Sep 2012, 04:50 pm
I'm trying to setup my BDP-1 for NAS connectivity. It would be great if I could get it to talk with my Synology DS712+. Up to now I was unsuccesful to set this up.
I create a user (bryston) on my Synology NAS with his own password (bryston), and this account is working on the NAS. Ip-adress of the NAS, username and password are accepted, it retrieves the network shares and I can select the 'music'-folder  But the moment I want to establish the NAS connection on my BDP-1 I always get this:

Establishing Connection With NAS
failed to connect:mount error(11): Resource temporarily unavailable Refer to the mount.cifs( 8 ) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=bryston,password=bryston,uid=106 "\\\\192.168.1.121\\music" "/media/music_on_DISKSTATION712_" 2>&1||


Normally I have no problems setting things like this up. I even my sat-receiver makes recording on this NAS  and this  was operational in a few minutes. But the BDP-1 leaves me puzzled again,...
Did anyone have succes in establishing communication between the BDP-1 and a Synology NAS?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: uncouth on 24 Sep 2012, 07:01 pm
I use the BDP-1 with my DS411 - no issues whatsoever during setup or since. I have a LOSSLESS MUSIC folder on my DS, which the BDP accesses upon boot. I did not create a new user, just used my existing login information.

The log you posted suggests that the BDP cannot access the share. Perhaps you need to ensure that the new user on your DS has all of the correct permissions?

Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 24 Sep 2012, 07:35 pm
I'm trying to setup my BDP-1 for NAS connectivity. It would be great if I could get it to talk with my Synology DS712+. Up to now I was unsuccesful to set this up.
I create a user (bryston) on my Synology NAS with his own password (bryston), and this account is working on the NAS. Ip-adress of the NAS, username and password are accepted, it retrieves the network shares and I can select the 'music'-folder  But the moment I want to establish the NAS connection on my BDP-1 I always get this:

Establishing Connection With NAS
failed to connect:mount error(11): Resource temporarily unavailable Refer to the mount.cifs( 8 ) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=bryston,password=bryston,uid=106 "\\\\192.168.1.121\\music" "/media/music_on_DISKSTATION712_" 2>&1||


Normally I have no problems setting things like this up. I even my sat-receiver makes recording on this NAS  and this  was operational in a few minutes. But the BDP-1 leaves me puzzled again,...
Did anyone have succes in establishing communication between the BDP-1 and a Synology NAS?

Hi Wim,

Two things to try the first would be to reset your bdp-1 to factory state, this will clear all NAS settings and ensure there isn't an old entries that could be causing any unwanted issues.  If it still doesn't work try giving your synology a reboot through its web gui to make sure there arn't any daemons getting hung up.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Wim J on 25 Sep 2012, 04:31 pm
Hi Wim,

Two things to try the first would be to reset your bdp-1 to factory state, this will clear all NAS settings and ensure there isn't an old entries that could be causing any unwanted issues.  If it still doesn't work try giving your synology a reboot through its web gui to make sure there arn't any daemons getting hung up.

Cheers,
Chris

Tried both steps and got exactly the same result. I also tried to use an existing user on the Synology with admin-rights with exactly the same error-message.

BDP-1:
S1.48 2012-07-25
Final Build
Build: Loony Loon
MPD: 0.16.06
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010

Synology DS712+
DSM 4.1-2636
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: tomsenko on 28 Sep 2012, 07:13 pm
Hi!

Is it really so that BDP is updating NAS shares from scratch each time it is switched OFF/ON? Or is it important not to switch the NAS share off?

I am using the HDD in my Dune media player as a NAS share and it took some 5 hours to update for the first time. Both the Dune and BDP were switched off for some time and now the process is starting again from zero.

Any thoughts?

Toms
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 29 Sep 2012, 03:54 am
Hello Everyone,

The BDP should remember the database (has included) when it powers back on.  Infact getting this to work this way caused other issues that i rather not go into but have been reported on the forums.  However the BDP does check for changes at startup, simply just check if you can play something after turning the BDP on.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Wim J on 16 Oct 2012, 07:28 pm
Tried both steps and got exactly the same result. I also tried to use an existing user on the Synology with admin-rights with exactly the same error-message.

BDP-1:
S1.48 2012-07-25
Final Build
Build: Loony Loon
MPD: 0.16.06
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010

Synology DS712+
DSM 4.1-2636

I finally had the time to try this on my second Synology ( DS508) and I get the very same error!
Can someone please help out. I'm not unfamiliar with IT and network stuff, but this connectifity setup from Bryston doesn't work for me. Also, I needed (highly apprciated) help from Bryston to update my BDP. Now I can't connect to the NAS. Maybe I will need Bryston's help again but this should all be straightforward! At this moment I can't say I'm happy with the BDP1. Soundwise it's very ok, but it's a nightmare for connectivity,...
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 17 Oct 2012, 02:47 am
I finally had the time to try this on my second Synology ( DS508) and I get the very same error!
Can someone please help out. I'm not unfamiliar with IT and network stuff, but this connectifity setup from Bryston doesn't work for me. Also, I needed (highly apprciated) help from Bryston to update my BDP. Now I can't connect to the NAS. Maybe I will need Bryston's help again but this should all be straightforward! At this moment I can't say I'm happy with the BDP1. Soundwise it's very ok, but it's a nightmare for connectivity,...

Hi Wim,

It's being looked into, unfortunently when you are dealing with third party hardware it is difficult to know what is causing the issue.  Unfortunently knowing what is causing said issue is also needed to figure out how to fix the problem at hand.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Wim J on 17 Oct 2012, 08:05 am
Hi Wim,

It's being looked into, unfortunently when you are dealing with third party hardware it is difficult to know what is causing the issue.  Unfortunently knowing what is causing said issue is also needed to figure out how to fix the problem at hand.

Cheers
Chris

OK, Chris
Thank you for your support. Maybe I'll just wait for the next software-release. It might solve the problem. As far as I can figure out my Synology doesn't get an 'access'-request. When I have a look in it's logs I can see all succesfull and failed logins. But bdp1 doesn't  even seem to try to get access. It's simply not in the list,...
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Marius on 17 Oct 2012, 08:33 am
a reminder, since you asked for it.

related to the NAS setup: how about the path-selection option? Still not possible in the latest beta?

Marius

Excellent point, ifs not updated by the end of the week send me a reminder.

I'm hip deep in rebuilding the software that runs the LCD and buttons on the front of the bdp.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Wim J on 17 Oct 2012, 10:01 pm
OK, Chris
Thank you for your support. Maybe I'll just wait for the next software-release. It might solve the problem. As far as I can figure out my Synology doesn't get an 'access'-request. When I have a look in it's logs I can see all succesfull and failed logins. But bdp1 doesn't  even seem to try to get access. It's simply not in the list,...

 :D :D :D SOLVED my issue with both Synology Diskstations DS508 and DS712+. My BDP1 can now connect to the shared drives on both NAS drives. I was finally able to locate what was causing this problem. The LDAP Directory service was enabled on the NAS. The moment I switched 'enable LDAP client' off, I got the connection operational between the BDP1 and the Synology.
So I'm very happy everything is operational as it should be !   :D :D :D
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2012, 03:18 am
Hi Wim,

Glad to hear things have worked out.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: tomsenko on 23 Oct 2012, 08:09 am
Hello,

Has anyone had issues with skipping tracks when playing from NAS? I am using 3TB Seagate network drive with the music library of ~1.5TB. Even when updating has finished, I have problems playing some large 192/24 files of ~450MB. Smaller 96/24 files are sometimes skipping when updating is in progress.

Toms
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Wim J on 23 Oct 2012, 03:31 pm
Hello,

Has anyone had issues with skipping tracks when playing from NAS? I am using 3TB Seagate network drive with the music library of ~1.5TB. Even when updating has finished, I have problems playing some large 192/24 files of ~450MB. Smaller 96/24 files are sometimes skipping when updating is in progress.

Toms

I, now, also play from NAS but did not experience any problems during playback. My NAS has two network ports and the Bryston accesses the NAS on a 'dedicated' IP adress. All other music clients use the other available adress, so does the sat receiver when recording/playing. Even when playing a HD program and listening to other music trough other clients I had no problem with the BDP1. Once connected the BDP1 and NAS have been working together without a glitch. My library is about 2TB.
My home has network-cabling everywhere and I only use wireless for portable devices (obviously) All ethernetcable is at least CAT 5E, all switches are Netgear and the router is a Cisco. I'll try if I can reproduce the problem while updating,...
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 24 Oct 2012, 02:24 am
Hello,

Has anyone had issues with skipping tracks when playing from NAS? I am using 3TB Seagate network drive with the music library of ~1.5TB. Even when updating has finished, I have problems playing some large 192/24 files of ~450MB. Smaller 96/24 files are sometimes skipping when updating is in progress.

Toms

Hi Tom,

A couple of questions, do you have any drives attached to the bDP via USB?
Is your music library an excess of 100,000 songs?
Finally what audio format is a majority of your library (ie flac, wav, mp4)?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: tomsenko on 24 Oct 2012, 05:21 am
Hi Tom,

A couple of questions, do you have any drives attached to the bDP via USB?
Is your music library an excess of 100,000 songs?
Finally what audio format is a majority of your library (ie flac, wav, mp4)?

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris,

I have a 32GB flash drive and sometimes also Bryston flash drive attached.
Last time I checked, my music library was ~70,000 songs.
Vast majority of the files are flac. Some 5% are ape, which I still have not converted but BDP-1 seems to play them well.  wav and mp4 files are maybe 1%.

Previously I had some serious problems when I had movies on the same NAS drive. Since it is not possible to specify the path for music, BDP was apparently trying to read the movies as well. At some point BDP just choked and failed to operate even after a restart. When I moved the movies to another location, the problem was gone.

Toms
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 25 Oct 2012, 03:12 am
Hi Tom,

Your thumb drive is formatted as NTFS or fat?  If your not sure this information is listed under dive information in the bdp's settings page.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: onthefly on 25 Oct 2012, 02:54 pm
Using NAS with a BDP, can you still scroll through your music library via the display window like with USB?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: tomsenko on 25 Oct 2012, 06:01 pm
Hi Tom,

Your thumb drive is formatted as NTFS or fat?  If your not sure this information is listed under dive information in the bdp's settings page.

Chris

Chris,

Files system for both USB sticks is FAT.

Toms
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: tomsenko on 25 Oct 2012, 06:01 pm
Using NAS with a BDP, can you still scroll through your music library via the display window like with USB?

Yes
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 25 Oct 2012, 06:17 pm
Hi Tom,

our next software release due in a couple of weeks will include a feature to test transfer rates between storage devices and may give us a bit of an insight as to what is wrong.  If you'd like the test feature has existed in the beta's  for some time now and if you would like i'd be more then happy to email you a link to the BETA firmware site; just email me at crice@bryston.com

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 3 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
Has anyone tested the WD MyLive NAS unit with the BDP1. The original post says it has but when I asked the direct question, Bryston said it wasn't. So I am a bit confused.

I went out and bought the 3tb MyLive NAS based off this thread to hook up to my eventual BDP1. It hasn't been ordered yet, still waiting for dealer to get in a demo. I would like to know if I need the BDP2 to make this work before I order the BDP1.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2012, 03:59 pm
Has anyone tested the WD MyLive NAS unit with the BDP1. The original post says it has but when I asked the direct question, Bryston said it wasn't. So I am a bit confused.

I went out and bought the 3tb MyLive NAS based off this thread to hook up to my eventual BDP1. It hasn't been ordered yet, still waiting for dealer to get in a demo. I would like to know if I need the BDP2 to make this work before I order the BDP1.

Thanks

Hi Blueshirt1,

Sorry about any confusion we may have created, but yes I (the software developer of the BDP's) have personally tested a WD My Book Live and currently use one for testing playback with.  The WD is perfectly fine for playback, but just a heads up it is a little slow and and transfer rates max out at about 30MB/s.  Compared to a intel atom machine running stripped down debian wheezy which manages upwards of 80MB/s.  The difference between spending a couple hundred bucks vs spending over five hundred dollars on your NAS.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 5 Nov 2012, 05:34 pm
Thanks for clearing that up Chris.

Does that mean I might experience skipping while playing or just slow load times? Would the BDP2 v. BDP1 help either of those possible issues?
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2012, 08:30 pm
Hi Blueshirt1,

No, even at 30MB/s, that is still faster then the throughput of a BDP (5-8MB/s).  I only mention it for when you go to load it up with music, playback should be fine.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: tomsenko on 9 Dec 2012, 08:12 pm
Hi Tom,

our next software release due in a couple of weeks will include a feature to test transfer rates between storage devices and may give us a bit of an insight as to what is wrong.  If you'd like the test feature has existed in the beta's  for some time now and if you would like i'd be more then happy to email you a link to the BETA firmware site; just email me at crice@bryston.com

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris,

Just tested the transfer speed for my NAS. (Seagate goflex home). It is 3.7 mb/s. Update speed and overall  experience has much improved with the new firmware but I am still experiencing dropouts when playing from nas. I even got a small click fromusb stick today (that was a first). Can it be the size of the library that causes the trouble? I have almost 70 000 songs.

Toms
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: rolfb*123 on 24 Jan 2013, 09:26 am
Hi Cris/Marius and all the rest of yoy :oops:
Yesterday I receved a new compact flash card containin the latest software for my BDP-1 (1.60 12.12.2012).
My BDP is hardwired to my Apple TimeCapsule(latest version 2TB).
Should there be a NAS setup tab in the settings for the BDP-1 ?
I can`t find it!! This beeing stupid question, it will probarly be a stupid answer too...
I hope someone will be bothered to answer :oops:
BTW, all other function seems to work just fine :D

BRG. Rolf
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jan 2013, 03:11 pm
Hi Cris/Marius and all the rest of yoy :oops:
Yesterday I receved a new compact flash card containin the latest software for my BDP-1 (1.60 12.12.2012).
My BDP is hardwired to my Apple TimeCapsule(latest version 2TB).
Should there be a NAS setup tab in the settings for the BDP-1 ?
I can`t find it!! This beeing stupid question, it will probarly be a stupid answer too...
I hope someone will be bothered to answer :oops:
BTW, all other function seems to work just fine :D

BRG. Rolf

It will be in the Settings  section on the BDP Home Page - make sure you refresh the browser

James
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: Rolfb123 on 24 Jan 2013, 04:04 pm
It will be in the Settings  section on the BDP Home Page - make sure you refresh the browser

James

I left the BDP on for 12 hours, and then the NAS setting showed up ???
A little strange, but ok, problem solved:-)
Thank you James and best regards from Norway.

Rolf
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: generichs on 25 Sep 2015, 07:21 am
:D :D :D SOLVED my issue with both Synology Diskstations DS508 and DS712+. My BDP1 can now connect to the shared drives on both NAS drives. I was finally able to locate what was causing this problem. The LDAP Directory service was enabled on the NAS. The moment I switched 'enable LDAP client' off, I got the connection operational between the BDP1 and the Synology.
So I'm very happy everything is operational as it should be !   :D :D :D

I have a Synology DS214play and gave up trying to connect the NAS Drive until I discovered this post.  Thanks for the solution. 

Just an addition to the above post:  My LDAP Client was never on, but I still was not able to connect the NAS Drive.  So I selected the reset button in the LDAP Client screen.  The NAS was then able to connect.  It seems it is not enough to disable the LDAP Directory service, you also need to reset it.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: eyeshigher on 24 Aug 2016, 04:56 pm
I have a Synology NAS connected to a BDP1, I have never been able to establish a proper connection, DLNA connects but continually have to wait for indexing.
My computers connect to the NAS, no problem. I have tried the LDAP suggestions - still no connection.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: unincognito on 24 Aug 2016, 06:10 pm
I have a Synology NAS connected to a BDP1, I have never been able to establish a proper connection, DLNA connects but continually have to wait for indexing.
My computers connect to the NAS, no problem. I have tried the LDAP suggestions - still no connection.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I would recommend just using SAMBA (aka CIFS, aka Windows File Sharing)

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-1 and NAS connectivity
Post by: eyeshigher on 25 Aug 2016, 07:47 am
Thanks Chris,

Now working with SMB, previously couldn’t get connected with SMB or AFP. Probably in conjunction with the LDAP mentioned in other postings - now working.

Thank you all.