Amp for OB sub

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mystikl

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Amp for OB sub
« on: 2 May 2017, 12:10 pm »
I have a JL Audio 12w0v3-4 which I want to use for an OB sub. What amps are suitable for this purpose? From what I've read the amp needs a specific dampening factor to reach a desirable system Q, how do I calculate this?
How many watts does this driver need?
https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_39825_JL-Audio-12W0v3-4.html

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #1 on: 2 May 2017, 04:53 pm »
only 85db you need power , 100w is not low DF ,low to mid DF con help a bit rising some bass

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #2 on: 2 May 2017, 05:30 pm »
I have a JL Audio 12w0v3-4 which I want to use for an OB sub. What amps are suitable for this purpose? From what I've read the amp needs a specific dampening factor to reach a desirable system Q, how do I calculate this?
How many watts does this driver need?
https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_39825_JL-Audio-12W0v3-4.html
Just one? How high do you need to go?
If <250hz or so, the PE Yung plate amps with 6db boost are a inexpensive turnkey option.

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« Reply #3 on: 2 May 2017, 07:28 pm »
Agree that a plate amp for a sub would work well.

Another option would be the XLS series of amps from Crown.  All have built in crossovers that are easy to setup and use.  And TONS of power on tap should you desire it.

Many folks find that OB bass is best implemented with multiple woofers.  I have run a single 12 in the early days as an experiment, but liked a pair of 12's more.  Many end up with a quad of 15's or more.

Have fun!

mystikl

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #4 on: 2 May 2017, 07:58 pm »
This is just an experiment so I don't want to throw too much money on it. My first option was the inuke nu1000 non dsp version, but thought it was too much power for an OB design, but I don't really know much about OB so I thought I'd get an informed opinion.
I'm not expecting it to do 100db below 30 hz or anything crazy just need to know the maximum power I would require to get decent output with a 120hz crossover

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« Reply #5 on: 2 May 2017, 09:16 pm »
$125 https://www.parts-express.com/yung-sd200-6-200w-class-d-subwoofer-plate-amplifier-module-with-6-db-at-35-hz--301-506
If you are crossing at 120 you could use an H-frame, get a bit more output than a flat baffle

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« Reply #6 on: 2 May 2017, 09:34 pm »
If you are crossing at 120 you could use an H-frame, get a bit more output than a flat baffle
with H baffle you lost db for Hz not more output....

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« Reply #7 on: 2 May 2017, 10:03 pm »
with H baffle you lost db for Hz not more output....
You have no idea what you are talking about, please desist

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #8 on: 3 May 2017, 08:26 am »
 :D please tell this at MJK !

H baffle will give you some more HZ down 4/5 maybe  the trade off is DB

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« Reply #9 on: 3 May 2017, 10:14 am »
:D please tell this at MJK !
H baffle will give you some more HZ down 4/5 maybe  the trade off is DB
I'm telling you. Below 120hz, a H baffle will have more output than a flat baffle. The OP is looking for advice on OB, not incoherent nonsense

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« Reply #10 on: 3 May 2017, 10:22 am »
I'm telling you. Below 120hz, a H baffle will have more output than a flat baffle. The OP is looking for advice on OB, not incoherent nonsense

Isn't an H frame essentially an open baffle with long sides, 'cause I've read that having long baffle sides introduces pipe resonance.

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« Reply #11 on: 3 May 2017, 11:55 am »
Isn't an H frame essentially an open baffle with long sides, 'cause I've read that having long baffle sides introduces pipe resonance.
Correct...which is why I suggested it after you specified 120hz upper limit. Unless very long, the resonance will be well above that...and the plate amp has a variable low pass filer. Your electro-acoustic response will be a combination of the driver/baffle response and the electrical filter.
The "bigger" baffle (increase in separation between front/rear/observer) is what gives more output below 120hz. It simultaneously limits how high you can go, but 120hz no problem, for example a 12" or so deep H.

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #12 on: 3 May 2017, 03:54 pm »
YOU MUST STUDY A BIT ABOUT OB WORK  :duh:







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« Reply #13 on: 3 May 2017, 04:27 pm »
Um, in Martin's study he used a much larger baffle for the "OB" case. He didn't really say why I don't think.

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #14 on: 3 May 2017, 04:33 pm »
the OP woofer is low qts need more baffle then martin ones ...

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« Reply #15 on: 3 May 2017, 04:38 pm »
YOU MUST STUDY A BIT ABOUT OB WORK  :duh:

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For a passive dipole...
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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #16 on: 3 May 2017, 04:41 pm »
the OP woofer is low qts need more baffle
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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #17 on: 3 May 2017, 04:55 pm »
sorry for you but H baffle is passive  a piece of wood   :lol: :lol:

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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #18 on: 3 May 2017, 04:57 pm »
If you are crossing at 120 you could use an H-frame, get a bit more output than a flat baffle


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Re: Amp for OB sub
« Reply #19 on: 3 May 2017, 05:05 pm »
loosing 4db mean that with H blaffle you need more then 200w vs a 100w of flat baffle ....