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Title: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2018, 11:20 am
Hi Folks,

We have been working with Berrie Kremers the designer behind the original MPAD and MPOD and he will be releasing a new version of MPOD - new name 'RIGELIAN' this month on the Apple store. The plan is to have a new version for the IPAD as well moving forward.

It 'see's' the Bryston BDP's as a recognized PLAYER so it will automatically detected and preconfigured the Bryston BDP's in Rigelian.

I got this email from him this morning.

james


I published a build 94 for you to beta test yesterday which contains the final functional changes before release. I have also prepared the website (http://www.rigelian.net) and if nothing strange happens I will submit for AppStore approval later this week.

Best regards
Berrie

Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Apr 2018, 11:57 am
JT, Sounds promising.

Does BDP need to run the latest Moose version for Rigelian to work? Mine has S2.37.

I wait for MPad version.
Thanks
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Apr 2018, 11:58 am
JT, Sounds promising.

Does BDP need to run the latest Moose version for Rigelian to work? Mine has S2.37.

I wait for MPad version.
Thanks

I have only tried it with the latest MM version so far but I assume it does not matter as it is its own program.

James
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: BigGeek on 15 Apr 2018, 03:01 pm
This is fantastic news, if the subscription price is not too high. There are some pretty expensive cups of coffee out there! ;-)

The more interfaces that exist, from which we can choose, the better. I liked the old MPAD/MPOD. I have found SoundiRok to be pretty usable for nearly everything but it is missing some things I liked about MPAD. It has other things that are better than MPAD.

I am happy that this is going forward.

Cheers

BG
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 15 Apr 2018, 05:30 pm
This is great news James thanks so much for sharing
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: alexone on 15 Apr 2018, 08:20 pm

...good news :thumb:

never thought this would happen. cool!

al.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: NHSkier on 15 Apr 2018, 08:27 pm
Excellent news! It's hard to believe what a gulf there is between Roon and the free controllers. Hopefully, this will be the "something in between" that the market needs.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: cardani on 16 Apr 2018, 12:12 pm
Great , i also liked a lot the good old Mpod, keep us posted! :D
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Apr 2018, 02:08 pm
The website is interesting. The screen shots appear to show an app that is a carbon-copy of iTunes for iOS.

I am all over this...
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Jozsef on 19 Apr 2018, 04:47 am
That's great news. I finally got an iPad quite literally about five minutes before MPad and MPod were pulled from the store so now it functions as an occasional stopwatch and paperweight. I hope this new app will be compatible with iOS 9 since this use case doesn't need the performance of the latest hardware.

I like Manic Moose but an alternative would be nice to have sometimes. You know, different solutions for different moods.  :wink:
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Apr 2018, 07:13 pm
HI Folks,

The new version of (IPOD) Rigelian is now available on the Apple Store

http://www.rigelian.net/

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Robert D on 30 Apr 2018, 11:33 am
James, Will it work on Ipad as well

Robert
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Robert D on 30 Apr 2018, 11:36 am
From what I see it should

Robert
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2018, 11:36 am
James, Will it work on Ipad as well

Robert

Yes it will ... just use the x2 option.

There will be an MPAD version as well this summer.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Robert D on 30 Apr 2018, 11:38 am
Thank you Sir

Robert
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 30 Apr 2018, 12:27 pm
Doesn’t work on my iPad.  And on my iPhone I find it doesn’t pull up the full library.  Example Metallica on a album it will display 6 songs when there is actually 10.  it’s on almost every album it’s short on tracks. 
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2018, 09:26 pm
Doesn’t work on my iPad.  And on my iPhone I find it doesn’t pull up the full library.  Example Metallica on a album it will display 6 songs when there is actually 10.  it’s on almost every album it’s short on tracks.

Hi Mike

I will pass along to Berrie - so far works fine in my setup.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 30 Apr 2018, 09:56 pm
Thanks James.  It appears for the iPad there will be a release to purchase in the fall. 
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Apr 2018, 10:38 pm
I think within a month or so.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 2 May 2018, 02:39 am
I tried Rigelian this evening.

1. No cover art ... at all. No idea why. I left things at their defaults, other than to change the default cover art name from "Folder.jpg" to "folder.jpg". There is a field called coverart prefix, but I am not sure what it does. Anyway... nothing I tried produced album art anywhere in the app.

2. Rigelian does an incremental pull from MPD as you swipe into a collection. This differs from Soundirok that downloads the entire MPD database and album art cache, all at once. With my 17K track collection and an iPhone X, this takes maybe a minute - one time.

Conversely, with Rigelian, you are treated to a spinning cursor everytime you swipe down into an album collection. I presume that eventually it caches the entire library.

Yes, I know that Soundirok's approach has been a problem for some in earlier releases - unable to fully process large libraries - but the perpetual wait cursor while swiping down into a collection is like Chinese water torture.

3. In-app Purchases. To browse by genre, I have to buy the app. I can't try it out to see how it works, first?

To the author of Rigelian: it's a different world than when you developed MPoD. The audience for this app is s-m-a-l-l. So, offer the best initial experience and then offer a purchase option after a trial period, if you must. Frankly, you should just make the app full featured and charge right away. It's a better experience and it will encourage folks to figure out the settings and persevere.

Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: now25 on 2 May 2018, 01:01 pm
Had the same problem with cover art. Just change the cover art prefix to music/ instead of music and it will work. Contacted Berrie. I think their pre-defined cover art prefix is incorrect.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2018, 03:40 pm
I tried Rigelian this evening.

1. No cover art ... at all. No idea why. I left things at their defaults, other than to change the default cover art name from "Folder.jpg" to "folder.jpg". There is a field called coverart prefix, but I am not sure what it does. Anyway... nothing I tried produced album art anywhere in the app.

2. Rigelian does an incremental pull from MPD as you swipe into a collection. This differs from Soundirok that downloads the entire MPD database and album art cache, all at once. With my 17K track collection and an iPhone X, this takes maybe a minute - one time.

Conversely, with Rigelian, you are treated to a spinning cursor everytime you swipe down into an album collection. I presume that eventually it caches the entire library.

Yes, I know that Soundirok's approach has been a problem for some in earlier releases - unable to fully process large libraries - but the perpetual wait cursor while swiping down into a collection is like Chinese water torture.

3. In-app Purchases. To browse by genre, I have to buy the app. I can't try it out to see how it works, first?

To the author of Rigelian: it's a different world than when you developed MPoD. The audience for this app is s-m-a-l-l. So, offer the best initial experience and then offer a purchase option after a trial period, if you must. Frankly, you should just make the app full featured and charge right away. It's a better experience and it will encourage folks to figure out the settings and persevere.

Just my $0.02.

Hi

After music in the setup screen try music/

There is a 2 month trial.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: BigGeek on 2 May 2018, 10:39 pm
I tried Rigelian this evening.

1. No cover art ... at all. No idea why. I left things at their defaults, other than to change the default cover art name from "Folder.jpg" to "folder.jpg". There is a field called coverart prefix, but I am not sure what it does. Anyway... nothing I tried produced album art anywhere in the app.

2. Rigelian does an incremental pull from MPD as you swipe into a collection. This differs from Soundirok that downloads the entire MPD database and album art cache, all at once. With my 17K track collection and an iPhone X, this takes maybe a minute - one time.

Conversely, with Rigelian, you are treated to a spinning cursor everytime you swipe down into an album collection. I presume that eventually it caches the entire library.

Yes, I know that Soundirok's approach has been a problem for some in earlier releases - unable to fully process large libraries - but the perpetual wait cursor while swiping down into a collection is like Chinese water torture.

3. In-app Purchases. To browse by genre, I have to buy the app. I can't try it out to see how it works, first?

To the author of Rigelian: it's a different world than when you developed MPoD. The audience for this app is s-m-a-l-l. So, offer the best initial experience and then offer a purchase option after a trial period, if you must. Frankly, you should just make the app full featured and charge right away. It's a better experience and it will encourage folks to figure out the settings and persevere.

Just my $0.02.

Two things...
I had a bit of trouble getting the art to show. I too had to change the Folder to folder. I finally had it rescan my device, then i quicky changed the case of the filename, then i got out of that screen and it all loaded perfectly.

Also... you subscribe and get two months of full functionalit free to try it out. Although considering it is less than 4 bucks and you spent how much for your Bryston kit? What’s the issue?
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 3 May 2018, 05:34 pm
Thanks, everyone, for the tips.

The incremental pull is a showstopper for me, but I will try it again.

Of course, Roon released TIDAL/MQA support today, so I am done with MPD for a while...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: zoom25 on 3 May 2018, 07:30 pm
Thanks, everyone, for the tips.

The incremental pull is a showstopper for me, but I will try it again.

Of course, Roon released TIDAL/MQA support today, so I am done with MPD for a while...  :popcorn:

How do you like Roon with TIDAL? Is the integration good and seamless with your own library?
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: gtaphile on 4 May 2018, 04:27 pm
I have it working in artist view but album view is not working.

Any tips on this?

Thanks
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2018, 04:30 pm
I have it working in artist view but album view is not working.

Any tips on this?

Thanks

Did you use music/
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 4 May 2018, 04:37 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=179692)
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 5 May 2018, 12:54 am
Mine is not pulling up the complete album and I don’t see any changes in settings to make.  I do have a email in to Bernie and he has been really good trying to figure it out
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: gtaphile on 5 May 2018, 11:13 pm
Did you use music/

Yes
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 6 May 2018, 01:42 pm
Yes

Ok - gee sorry I can not think what else could be going on - works fine in my setup with the settings I posted above???

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: gtaphile on 6 May 2018, 07:21 pm
Ok - gee sorry I can not think what else could be going on - works fine in my setup with the settings I posted above???

james
No issue - I was just testing.

Will circle back when the Ipad version, when I will want to use it, and fine tune it then.   

Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 6 May 2018, 07:29 pm
Berrie just sent me a new test version with a lot of added features.

James


Hi James

A new beta 1.1.0 is available.
 
- Browse folders
- Manually add a player
- Option to filter artists by Album-Artist
- Add possibility to clear the play queue
- Some smaller enhancements and bug fixes
 
Best regards,
Berrie
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 7 May 2018, 03:02 pm
How do you like Roon with TIDAL? Is the integration good and seamless with your own library?

It's a perfect mesh of TIDAL w/ my library ... this is what Roon is best known for.

And with MQA unfolding supported in Roon, I have access to a decent collection of hi-rez albums.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: OgOgilby on 26 May 2018, 05:21 pm
James, thanks for the heads up on Rigelion - purchased!

I was really disapointed when MPad was discontinued, so this is good news. The switch to Soundirok from MPad was tough, but I have to say Soundirok has improved quite a bit from it’s original release. The current version of Soundirok still seems slightly awkward to me and updating the database is slow when compared to MPad.

That said, I am waiting for the iPad version of Rigelion, I’m not a big fan of controlling the BDP with my phone.

-Greg

Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2018, 05:31 pm
James, thanks for the heads up on Rigelion - purchased!

I was really disapointed when MPad was discontinued, so this is good news. The switch to Soundirok from MPad was tough, but I have to say Soundirok has improved quite a bit from it’s original release. The current version of Soundirok still seems slightly awkward to me and updating the database is slow when compared to MPad.

That said, I am waiting for the iPad version of Rigelion, I’m not a big fan of controlling the BDP with my phone.

-Greg

Hi Greg

I have the test version of the IPAD version so it should not be long.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 26 May 2018, 06:06 pm
I have been a Bryston fan for a very long time.  I have a BDP2, and BDA2, an BHA-1 and a pair of 28BSST2's

I have just sort of lived with the reality that Bryston is never going to develop an integrated app for BDP users,
and I've just limped along with MPOD and MPAD even though it has meant I can't update my devices because
then it won't work.....I got all excited when I saw BRYFI and so I downloaded it on an updated device and
of course, it's not for BDP users, just the WIFI speaker buyers......  I do not have any reservation about
letting Bryston know that this really disappoints me.

Now I download this one, and it is an absolute POS.  Won't even go out and discover my library.....interface is
cheap and wonky......and they actually want me to PAY for it.....to get full functionality  GOODBYE to that......

I have finally come to see the light and I am putting my BDP2 on Gon and will be moving on to either Aurender
or Lumin, who have similarly priced devices that sounds great, support MQA and most importantly have wonderful
apps to give me full control of my library along with reliable and easy to use Tidal and Spotify support......

The Bryston stuff sounds great, but the decision to rely on a half baked web based interface, and just STICK WITH IT
is in my mind a way to get beat handily by competitors that weren't out there at all when the BDP came on the scene....

Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Sidstall on 26 May 2018, 06:16 pm
Anyone else having issues with the app not seeing the DAC on startup?  I’ve tried cycling the DAC and restarting the app, everything connected and playing from other sources, but the app just doesn’t want to cooperate.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2018, 07:20 pm
Hi folks

It’s been working fine for me. The latest version lets you type in the IP address if it does not find the BDP initially.

James
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 26 May 2018, 09:06 pm
Hi Folks,

Her's a shot of the IPAD version on my IPAD

james


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180454)


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180455)


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180456)




Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Sidstall on 26 May 2018, 11:02 pm
Hi folks

It’s been working fine for me. The latest version lets you type in the IP address if it does not find the BDP initially.

James

It’s weird I can run directly from the BPS. The app either doesn’t see anything, or sees the BDP but not any files from the NAS.

But it always runs from the BPS.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: OgOgilby on 27 May 2018, 12:32 pm
Hi Greg

I have the test version of the IPAD version so it should not be long.

james

Thanks James, good to know.

-Greg
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 27 May 2018, 07:10 pm
Rigelian 1.2.0 (138) for iOS is ready to test

What To Test:

Auto detection of Rune Audio players.
Cover art retrieval from Gracenote as backup (subscribers only).
Artist images from Gracenote.
Some bug-fixes.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 28 May 2018, 02:45 am
Hi

After music in the setup screen try music/

There is a 2 month trial.

james

OK, I decided to give this another try, since the author updated to version 1.1.1 a week ago. And, I signed up for a subscription to see everything.

I did a quick head-to-head comparison with Soundirok, to see how the features compare that *I* use - as always, everyone else's milage may vary.

Rigelian PROs

1. On-boarding is far better with Rigelian, ONCE the author fixes two things (see below)

On my network, the app discovered my BDP-1 and I was done, except for the whole "music/" settings thing and changing the default cover art filename (i.e. folder.jpg instead of Folder.jpg)

I was super frustrated by this, as you can read above...  :roll:  The author needs a simple on-boarding experience to ask you for your default cover art naming.

2. Browse by folder is nice.

I keep new music in a separate folder on one of my thumb drives and it's great to browse right into that and pick some music.

However, Soundirok solves this issue (for me) in a more elegant manner - by supporting Intelligent Sets (my favorite feature in Soundirok). I have an "Intelligent Set" that automatically scoops up everything in my New Music folder (by folder) and then allows me to browse just that sub-collection by Artist/Album/Genre. But, setting that up is definitely more complex than just browsing by folder.

3. Browsing your collection is initially fast

One my gripes with the first version was constantly looking at the spinning graphic while Rigelian was loading albums. That seems to have been resolved in the newest version.

So, now, getting up and running is w-a-y faster than with Soundirok, which has the double-edged sword of pre-loading the entire MDP database and album art covers. It's a double-edged because once it is loaded, browsing is very fast (faster than Rigelian). But, for large collections, it can be agonizing to update after loading new music. To-MAY-to, To-MAH-to.

4. Subjectively Pleasing

I design user interfaces for a living and visual design has both objective and subjective elements.

Rigelian "feels" more like a native app than Soundirok; which I believe is because the author took a lot of design cues from the iOS iTunes app.

Soundirok, conversely, has a few "non-standard" design elements. One example with Soundirok is the reckless scaling of fonts to make sure everything "fits". I listen to a lot of classical music and on my iPhone X, despite an incredible display resolution, I struggle to read some of the album captions on Soundirok.

I could go on, but I suspect most users will prefer the visual styling of Rigelian.


Rigelien CONs

1. No way to browse by ALBUM ARTIST

If the author of Rigelian was an avid listener of either hip/hop or classical music, browsing would probably have a default of ALBUM ARTIST instead of ARTIST.

UPDATE: as I wrote this, I looked at the "WHAT'S NEW" and see that version 1.1 "Add possibility to filter artists by Album-Artist".

Cool...  there it is... as an upper-right action button, labeled "Filter" (which is non-started iOS - it's weird to tap in the upper-right corner and have something slide up from the bottom).

I would expect to see something like this implemented as a toggle; look at Apple mail or calendar apps for inspiration. This function was hard for me to find because I expected this to be a setting - and there don't appear to be any settings for the app.

2. No artist images

I have a "thumb.jpg" image in each artist sub-folder. Soundirok will pick these up and display these artist images, when browsing as such, and I really like it.

Most iPhone apps I use for music display artist images - like iTunes, Spotify, Tidal, Vox. The artist browsing function "feels" a little barren. Maybe the author can augment with Gracenote and/or images on the BDP drives (I see that James Tanner is testing a beta version that does this).

3. Subscription Model

I am increasingly sick of paying a subscription for a piece of software, unless it offers "can't-live-without" functionality. I am paying hundreds of $$ each month for things like Adobe Creative Cloud and other tools for me and my design team (I own a small design agency). It has made me extra sensitive to the whole "0.99 / month" skim for apps.

So, I will try this for a free trail of 2 months, but unless it starts to approximate the functionality of something like Roon, I will likely cancel. It can be done... the information is all there on the Internet, so we will see what the author can do.

Good Luck with the app!
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2018, 09:10 pm
Rigelian 1.2.0 (142) for iOS is ready to test

What To Test:

• Some minor bug fixes on the iPad on the playqueue popup.
• Disabled the purchase because the purchase process in test is too cumbersome (purchase only lasts a few hours on the test version). All functions are immediately available in this version.
• This should be the final version before the iPad part is released to the App Store. Apart from re-enabling the purchase pages.

To test this app, open TestFlight on your iOS device using iOS 10.3 or later and install the update.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Sidstall on 30 May 2018, 04:52 am
Rigelian 1.2.0 (142) for iOS is ready to test

What To Test:

• Some minor bug fixes on the iPad on the playqueue popup.
• Disabled the purchase because the purchase process in test is too cumbersome (purchase only lasts a few hours on the test version). All functions are immediately available in this version.
• This should be the final version before the iPad part is released to the App Store. Apart from re-enabling the purchase pages.


To test this app, open TestFlight on your iOS device using iOS 10.3 or later and install the update.

What’s the code for TestFlight?
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2018, 04:24 pm
What’s the code for TestFlight?

Hi

He only gives it to a few people.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 30 May 2018, 11:22 pm
I can’t get this to pick my entire library up.  Some albums are missing half the songs and some are doubled up.  Any suggestions
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: berrie on 4 Jun 2018, 05:45 pm
Rigelian version 1.2 with iPad support will be available on the App Store in the coming hours.

For subscribers, it also features cover art retrieval from gracenote, as well as artist image retrieval for the artist list.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 4 Jun 2018, 10:35 pm
This looks like nice alternative to the now defunct MPaD... too bad it is not available in Canada  :cry:
Need to keep looking... sigh
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jun 2018, 10:58 pm
I think it just simply hasn't been released yet
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jun 2018, 11:58 pm
This looks like nice alternative to the now defunct MPaD... too bad it is not available in Canada  :cry:
Need to keep looking... sigh

Hi

Its available worldwide when released.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 5 Jun 2018, 12:46 am
Thanks James. That would be awesome. Look forward to this. I believe the Rigelian (for iphone) was only listed on apple.com app site and never available on the Canada app site. Of course, one cannot download in Canada from .com and subsequently buy a subscription without and American address/credit card. Even Paypal would be rejected. Hopefully the ipad version is different...  it is available from the .com site now but not the .ca site.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2018, 10:40 am
Thanks James. That would be awesome. Look forward to this. I believe the Rigelian (for iphone) was only listed on apple.com app site and never available on the Canada app site. Of course, one cannot download in Canada from .com and subsequently buy a subscription without and American address/credit card. Even Paypal would be rejected. Hopefully the ipad version is different...  it is available from the .com site now but not the .ca site.

Hi

I did not know about the download issue in Canada - I have never had an issue downloading it so far on my Iphone ?

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2018, 11:03 am
Hi

I just tried downloading it on my iPad Pro and it worked fine?

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 5 Jun 2018, 12:10 pm
Hi,

From Canada, and using the .com site,  I am able to also download this app...as long as you create an itune account with American address (use a friend/relative address). Only issue is not being able to purchase a subscription to use all features without an American credit card. Not possible if living outside USA. (at least in Canada). The "free" version is pointless as a stand alone MPaD for my server as I cannot browse/see any library or folders on my server. I was hopeful that this would not be issue as Paypal is option for payment, but this too was immediately declined as I only have Canadian credit card linked.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2018, 03:25 pm
Hi,

From Canada, and using the .com site,  I am able to also download this app...as long as you create an itune account with American address (use a friend/relative address). Only issue is not being able to purchase a subscription to use all features without an American credit card. Not possible if living outside USA. (at least in Canada). The "free" version is pointless as a stand alone MPaD for my server as I cannot browse/see any library or folders on my server. I was hopeful that this would not be issue as Paypal is option for payment, but this too was immediately declined as I only have Canadian credit card linked.

Ok I will see what Berrie says.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2018, 04:58 pm
Hi CTK

Are you going through the APP Store on your IPAD to download?

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 5 Jun 2018, 05:24 pm
Hi James,
Yes, I went to app store via link on Rigelian "get the app" button.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rigelian/id1363775934?mt=8
Download was quick and it recognized my server immediately too. Made sure to download MPAD 1.2 as well.
Problem was no way to set up auto renew for 1 year access. Free trial was not able to initiate until this renew account was set up.

cory
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jun 2018, 05:33 pm
delete
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 5 Jun 2018, 05:37 pm
James,

Did try to authorize auto renew again... no luck with Paypal or credit card submittal.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: berrie on 5 Jun 2018, 05:44 pm
I don't know what is going here, there are no restrictions set on countries from which a subscription can be purchased.

The only thing I could imagine is that because the link on the website points to the US website this brings you into the US AppStore. One thing you could try is delete the app, then use the following link to go via the Canadian address and download the app again.

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/rigelian/id1363775934?mt=8

Berrie
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 5 Jun 2018, 06:04 pm
Hi Berrie,
Thanks. I will do this today.
Very weird that I could not find this listed in .ca app store via search (or with google even) as available in Canada at all.
Tried multiple times over last week or so. But your link takes me right there :thumb:
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 5 Jun 2018, 07:42 pm
James and Berrie,
Thank Much for your help! Success!
Berrie was onto issue I think... my ipad was pointed to US site (with my location set to US). I did reset and try again but no luck....
My wife's ipad could see Rigelian in .ca site, but not me. I reboot mine and , magically, I can now see it on mine too. Very weird.
Downloaded and appears to be working :)

Berrie, still a mystery.... your provided link takes me right there (on my desktop) but if I enter itunes.apple.com/ca/app/ and do search for Rigelian I get zero. This is what led me to US site for Rigelian from google search results.

Again, Thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion.
Cory
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Jun 2018, 12:05 am
OK, I decided to give this another try, since the author updated to version 1.1.1 a week ago. And, I signed up for a subscription to see everything.

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3. Browsing your collection is initially fast

One my gripes with the first version was constantly looking at the spinning graphic while Rigelian was loading albums. That seems to have been resolved in the newest version.

So, now, getting up and running is w-a-y faster than with Soundirok, which has the double-edged sword of pre-loading the entire MDP database and album art covers. It's a double-edged because once it is loaded, browsing is very fast (faster than Rigelian). But, for large collections, it can be agonizing to update after loading new music. To-MAY-to, To-MAH-to.

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I downloaded the iPad version this evening onto my 2nd generation, 12" iPad Pro. The app looks really nice and works well. Nice work and congrats!

The lack of caching is an issue with the iPad version. On my iPhone X, the screen is smaller and the number of albums displayed is far less than what is viewable on the iPad Pro. So, swiping into a large collection via, say, Genres >, you don't really notice the delay as albums are populated "below the fold".

With the iPad Pro, however, the delay is very noticeable - maybe 2 seconds with each swipe down? It sort of appears like you are missing some albums and then 1-2 seconds later, you see something appear on the bottom edge. You swipe up and it stops... 2 seconds later, there is more... rinse and repeat. What's a little frustrating is that if you navigate to, say, Artists > and then back to Genres >, you start all over. Each traverse into a collection of albums (by artist or genre), you are treated to the spinning cursor.

Obviously a 1st world problem, but it does give Soundirock the edge, IMO, when browsing a large album collection.

Anyway, I will continue to subscribe and see what comes next. Exciting times that we have multiple apps to chose from for the BDP.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Camper on 6 Jun 2018, 01:55 am
This might be helpful.  It worked on old MPaD as well.  Go to library then to albums.  Scroll down slowly until each album art loads.  I have 1700 albums so it takes about 10mins.  Once this is done the next time you go to albums you don’t get the spinning wheel.  I wish there was a scroll bar on the side like with the artist list because scrolling down to z takes forever with 1700 albums.  Also since adding gracenote for missing album art I’m finding that some covers are incorrect despite having a Folder.jpg file in each folder.  I seem to recall old mpad app had a feature to change album art. Not sure why it is doing this now because before the last update my album art was perfect.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: john1970 on 6 Jun 2018, 09:25 am
I purchased the app for $4.50 annual subscription.  I still have issues with it loading either incorrect album art or duplicates (or more) of the same album under album view.  I bit annoying, but hopefully this gets addressed going forward. 

If someone knows how to fix the multiple album listing please let me know; I have never been able to figure out a solution.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2018, 11:28 am
I purchased the app for $4.50 annual subscription.  I still have issues with it loading either incorrect album art or duplicates (or more) of the same album under album view.  I bit annoying, but hopefully this gets addressed going forward. 

If someone knows how to fix the multiple album listing please let me know; I have never been able to figure out a solution.

Best regards,

John

Hi John

Berrie monitors this thread so he will be aware of any feedback posted here.

james
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Jun 2018, 02:59 pm
This might be helpful.  It worked on old MPaD as well.  Go to library then to albums.  Scroll down slowly until each album art loads.  I have 1700 albums so it takes about 10mins.  Once this is done the next time you go to albums you don’t get the spinning wheel.  I wish there was a scroll bar on the side like with the artist list because scrolling down to z takes forever with 1700 albums.  Also since adding gracenote for missing album art I’m finding that some covers are incorrect despite having a Folder.jpg file in each folder.  I seem to recall old mpad app had a feature to change album art. Not sure why it is doing this now because before the last update my album art was perfect.

That may be the case on the old MPaD, but Rigelian works as I describe above - you get the spinning wheel each time you navigate back into a collection.

Not to beat a dead horse, but with Soundirok, I can load the albums view and scroll as fast as I can swipe with zero delay; completely smooth.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: berrie on 6 Jun 2018, 07:36 pm
Thanks for the feedback so far.

Scrolling performance: the pre-fetching was optimized for iPhone, and currently shows hick-ups on the iPad. You may expect some short-term improvements through optimization of the pre-fetch size. Long-term internal caching may get added, as that will also allow to properly show A-Z indexes etc.

Duplicate albums: this is caused by how the app internally deals with artist and album-artist. This will be improved in one of the upcoming releases.

Invalid cover art: the app will always load from local http first, and if no cover is found it will revert to gracenote. It may happen that the player doesn't return an image even if there is one, for example because it gets overloaded by too many cover requests. And once the gracenote image is used it is cached and will be used from thereon. I plan to add a function to select which cover to use on an individual album basis, so any covers which are wrong can be manually corrected.

Berrie
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: ctk on 6 Jun 2018, 08:15 pm
Hi Berrie,

Am back in bliss with Rigelian MPAD loaded and able to browse artists again.. been without defunct MPaD for some time now.
-Search works GREAT for me.
-Artist filter is great esp with alpha scroll on right side. Very speedy
-Browse folder, for some reason does not display all albums that actually reside in the folder. Can see all with artist explorer though. No big deal as I suspect this is meant for thumb drives with smaller library maybe?
-Albums. Seems to be DOA for my install. Have a single song displayed... but that is all. Most covers are displayed via artist filter exploration, but no album filter displays at all. I know this is important to most, and may be with me in future... but now I am pumped just to be able to run server again and access entire library from ipad on couch.

Thanks Again for this,
cory
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Jun 2018, 12:20 am
Thanks for the feedback so far.

Berrie

Thank *you* for building a new MPD app.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: berrie on 18 Jun 2018, 07:11 pm
Version 1.2.1 is available in the AppStore (may take some hours to appear in all countries):

Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: OgOgilby on 28 Jun 2018, 03:12 am
Nice job on the 1.2.1 update Berrie!

-Greg
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: alinto on 29 Jun 2018, 09:57 pm
Having used the former mpad app, i decided to give rigelian a try. I have been having a problem with the app not displaying the song name. Some back ground. I am using a bdp-2 with and attached external hard drive. My files are mainly from my ripped cd and sacd using EAC in wave and diff format. The info  is stored in root file of music, artist name, album name then song name. Rigelian saw bryston bdp-2 right away. When using rigelian i browse and can see the artist name and album name but not the song names. I see the number of songs on the album but with no name i can't choose the individual songs to play. The songs do play.  Any music i have bought via hdtracks, pono or 7digital behaves normally. The former mpad app worked with no problem. Bryston program played in firefox works properly. I have updated the firmware for both bdp-2 and my ipad air with no success. Any ideas? I have left a message with rigelian but no response yet.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: CDinsmore on 1 Jul 2018, 07:16 pm
I bought a subscription last night, but can't get anything to show up under 'Albums', 'Recent Albums', or 'Genres'. All other functions seem to work fine although I haven't tried creating a playlist. All my settings appear to be correct, i.e. Cover Prefix is music/
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: CDinsmore on 4 Jul 2018, 08:25 pm
Berrie figured determined my issue was that I wasn't running v0.19 of MPD.  Rigelian supports v0.17, v0.18 and v0.19, and only that last one returns all the required metadata to the client.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: berrie on 4 Jul 2018, 08:58 pm
To alinto: my reply to your message bounced because of an invalid mail address. Anyway, in my mail I asked the following question:

Can you send one of the music files for which the song name is missing, so I can try to reproduce this? Second question, which version of mpd are you running on the BDP?
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: berrie on 23 Jul 2018, 08:00 pm
Version 1.2.4 has just been released, the main new feature is that browse and search now supports Composer and Performer. I hope this is a useful addition for those who enjoy classical music.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: NorthMac on 6 Aug 2018, 06:00 pm
A bit late to the Rigelian party as I don't follow AudioCircle that closely, but I have purchased 1.2.4 version, and it is a wonderful improvement to previous interfaces for using the Bryston digital player.  Composer sort is fantastic, since I have never had this it has shown up many inconsistencies in my composer tagging, but this is my fault and easily remedied with a spare 30 minutes sometime.   As Krutsch noted the Artist sort might be a bit nicer if we could populate a thumb with an artist image - perhaps do the same as for album art, but have the user indicate that a "artist.jpg" file in the album folder is to be used for Artist image?  I assume the few populated now are coming from Gracenote?

My only usability issue is that the Queue process is not intuitive, and I cannot figure out how to add a 2nd album to an already playing queue.  If I go into an album track list, hit the play button, that album plays.  Go back to the cover view, long hold on a new cover for adding another album, and the 5 options appear.  The button "Add at End" would seem to be what I want, but it does not do anything, the queue stays as it was when I selected the first album.  This is no different if I had selected the first album also with a long hold and press "Add next and Play" - I still can't add to the queue.  (using an iPad Air... latest iOS).

A big thank you to Berrie, and also James T., as from post #1 I take it that Bryston was behind this Mpad revival - a very smart move. 
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: alinto on 12 Aug 2018, 03:29 am
I can now see the song lists which i could not before. I don't know if the original problem was related to cover art. Before i could not see the song list or the cover art. Now i have both. I also have the problem where i cannot add songs to the queue. I should say i can add one song by long pressing the song and selecting add next or add end.  If i try to ad a second song nothing happens. The add to end option i still selected.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: NorthMac on 14 Aug 2018, 03:16 am

My only usability issue is that the Queue process is not intuitive, and I cannot figure out how to add a 2nd album to an already playing queue.  If I go into an album track list, hit the play button, that album plays.  Go back to the cover view, long hold on a new cover for adding another album, and the 5 options appear.  The button "Add at End" would seem to be what I want, but it does not do anything, the queue stays as it was when I selected the first album.  This is no different if I had selected the first album also with a long hold and press "Add next and Play" - I still can't add to the queue.  (using an iPad Air... latest iOS).


Update:  upon a restart of the device, the queue is now working, ie. “Add at End” does exactly that when you select from the long hold menu.  No idea why it would not work last week...  look forward to ongoing little tweaks, but Rigelian is perfectly functional now, and I am especially enjoying using Composer sort.

I notice too that Bryston has linked to Rigelian on the Bryston site, so it has semi-official status, which does give a touch more confidence in using it.
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: paul79 on 14 Aug 2018, 06:11 am
Any chance this can be fixed to support older 0.17 version of mpd?
Title: Re: New MPOD and MPAD
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2018, 12:49 pm
Hi Folks

Shoutcast Radio added.

James