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Industry Circles => SONORE by Simple Design => Topic started by: vortecjr on 1 Nov 2014, 01:29 pm
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DESCRIPTION
Converts DSD ISO to DFF or DSF
*This application is provided as-is without warranty.
*Development for this application is closed.
*Please provide support to others via this forum.
FEATURES
Supports DSD input files in .iso formats
Supports dual and multi-channel output
Supports DFF and DSF output mode
Transfers stored metadata from the original ISO file to the resulting DSD file
Single file conversion or multiple file conversion in a given folder
SCREEN SHOT
(http://dsd.sonore.us/ISO2DSD.png)
DOWNLOADS
https://sonore.us
USAGE
MAC OSX
1. Download the application and open the folder
2. Right-click the iso2dsd_gui.jar and select open
3. If you can open the iso2dsd_gui.jar file, but can't execute a conversion use the Mac Terminal application and change to the directory with the sacd_extract file in it and run this command: chmod a+x sacd_extract
4. If you can open the iso2dsd_gui.jar file, but can't execute a conversion replace letters in the file name that have an accent or double dots above/below the letter with a standard letter.
Requirements: The sacd_extract file, version.txt, and the iso2dsd_gui.jar file need to be in the same folder, Java needs to be installed, 64 bit OS
LINUX
1. Download the application and open the folder
2. Right click the iso2dsd_gui.jar, select Properties/Permissions, place a check in the Execute box, and press close
3. Right click the iso2dsd_gui.jar select Open with other application and select Jave
Requirements: The sacd_extract file, version.txt, and the iso2dsd_gui.jar file need to be in the same folder, Java needs to be installed, 64 bit OS
PC
1. Double click on the file.
LICENSING
Conversion based on SACD-Ripper, open source (GNU -V2)
Jave based interface Copyright © Simple Design, LLC
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Thanks!
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Very nice, thanks!! :thumb:
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Sonore ISO2DSD
LINUX
Requirements: 64 bit OS
LICENSING
Conversion based on SACD-Ripper, open source (GNU -V2)
Jave based interface Copyright © Simple Design, LLC
If you want, I can provide the compiled binary for linux 32 bit. Works with the gui
Sorry for my english
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Thanks!
But how can I convert DST compressed .dff files into .dsf or at least uncompressed .dff? It would be nice to have features for entering|modifying tags in .dsf too...
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Thanks!
But how can I convert DST compressed .dff files into .dsf or at least uncompressed .dff? It would be nice to have features for entering|modifying tags in .dsf too...
Reextract your ISOs with the DST checkbox checked.
Most modern taggers (MP3Tag, Tag and Rename, players like JRiver) handle DSF files.
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If you want, I can provide the compiled binary for linux 32 bit. Works with the gui
Sorry for my english
Great. E-mail it to me at sonorejr@gmail.com
Jesus R
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Great. E-mail it to me at sonorejr@gmail.com
Jesus R
I sent the file to your mailbox
Sorry for my english
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Hi - when I try to use ISO2DSD for Linux ver. 3, I get the following error message:
./sacd_extract: 3: ./sacd_extract: Sytax error: ")" unexpected (with both sacd_extract and the gui.jar files set to executable)
or no response if only the gui.jar file is set to executable.
I am on a dual boot MacBook and Ubuntu 14.04, but I think the machine is 32-bit vice 64-bit. I see below that someone has compiled a 32-bit version. Would it be possible to try it?
Thanks, Chris
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Hi - when I try to use ISO2DSD for Linux ver. 3, I get the following error message:
./sacd_extract: 3: ./sacd_extract: Sytax error: ")" unexpected (with both sacd_extract and the gui.jar files set to executable)
or no response if only the gui.jar file is set to executable.
I am on a dual boot MacBook and Ubuntu 14.04, but I think the machine is 32-bit vice 64-bit. I see below that someone has compiled a 32-bit version. Would it be possible to try it?
Thanks, Chris
I can send the binary (sacd_extract) compiled. Simply replace the original sacd_extract by the new.
Send me your email.
Sorry for my english.
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Dear all
Thanks to ISO2DSD, I can enjoy those HighRez productions and feel the music that I love so much. :D
I'm so grateful to Jesus, Ted and all facilitator that I'm hesitating to write that I have to face with some unexpected issues with their application. :thumb:
Still I would like to contribute and make the most of any potential improvements.
1) for unknown reason most of Mozart concertos of the Lausanne orch. conducted by C. Zacahrias (MDG produktion) are not converted from the zip ISO file ( extract from the scad with sacd ripper 0.37) into .dsf or .dff. :o.
2) same thing for a major number of Esoteric sacd. :o (Only Dvorak by Fournier and Brahms by Backhuas are ok)
In both cases the directory is created by Iso2dsd.gui but only one or even none .dsf file is provided.
Am I the only one in that case ? :duh:
3) for the Listz selection played by VOLODOS on Sony sacd, it is worse because the sacd extract run on the PS3 is stopped when about 87% of the ripping process is done. Instead of having a zip file I only get from the PS3 an .ISO file which is not recognized on the PC by the Iso2dsd application. Means that I just can't make it playedback on Jriver. :scratch:
What did I do in the wrong way ? :roll:
Please Help !!
Stephane
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If you want, I can provide the compiled binary for linux 32 bit. Works with the gui
Sorry for my english
Dear DMM,
Could you please sent me as well 32-bit version - paulinus@mail.ru
Thank you in advance!
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Dear DMM,
Could you please sent me as well 32-bit version - paulinus@mail.ru
Thank you in advance!
I sent the binary to your email
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Can anyone tell me if this runs on Windows 8.1?
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Can anyone tell me if this runs on Windows 8.1?
Anyone?
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Don't see why it would not - I've just used it once (so far) on Windows 7 Professional
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hello
i run under osx yosemite and downloaded iso2dsd app.
i tried to launch that app but a window pop up then disappear... and a message error is displayed : can't be launch, check console (that i did, but no errors)
what do i have to do?
thank you!
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Anyone?
Yep,
Perfectly.
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ok, problem solved. due to a problem with an old soft that blocked updates.
thanks
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The GUI offers a choice of Dual or Multi. I want to clarify the effect of selecting Dual.
My objective is two-channel audio for headphones (on a portable dac/amp). (At home, I play multichannel in our A/V room, on big speakers. In the office, or at work, I would only need stereo, because that's all headphones have.)
So it seems obvious that I should select Dual, but not so fast!
Suppose I have an SACD with a 44kHz stereo layer, and a high-resolution multichannel DSD layer. In that case, if I select Dual, what will it extract?
Should I always select Multi, and then use iso2dsd to extract the channels I want?
Disk is cheap, and getting the iso files is tedious, so I don't want to select an option that throws channels away if there's no reason not to keep them.
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? Getting the ISO files is tedious? I don't think you understand that this tool REQUIRES the ISO file. This tool extracts either stereo or multichannel (if available) DSF/DFF content from the ISO (same thing the command level sacd_extract.exe does except via a GUI). Of the 8000 or more SACDs only 1 or 2 have no stereo DSD layer. And by the way, the ISO2DSD tool does NOT touch or extract redbook. Dual means stereo DSD (DSF or DFF).
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I launch it, select Server Input, and it *obtains* an iso file. It sounds like I should always just set it to Multi, although maybe neither Dual or Multi applies when obtaining the iso.
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I launch it, select Server Input, and it *obtains* an iso file. It sounds like I should always just set it to Multi, although maybe neither Dual or Multi applies when obtaining the iso.
You are confused about what the tool does. It does not "obtain" an ISO, you point it to your ISOs that you own (for server input you have to first rip the ISO off of an SACD via the PS3 ripper, making sure all your ripper software is installed and your disc is ready...called the netwrok daemon).
Then, once you find an ISO, you decide whether you will extract the multichannel layer off the ISO (need a multichannel DAC for that) or the stereo layer off the ISO (aka "dual", need a stereo DSD DAC for that). Period. Do not extract multichannel if you don;t have a multichannel DSD DAC (like exaSound e28).
If you just want to use the server input to save an ISO choose ISO. But then extraction to stereo or multichannel DSD files is going to need for you to be doing it again with a local ISO.
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There's a handshake between iso2dsd and the ps3, and I can do everything from the iso2dsd GUI.
But it turns out all I want to do is just invoke the handshake, to get the initial iso file. I don't need iso2dsd for anything after that.
I play the resulting iso file directly with JRiver. I don't need to extract anything from the iso.
In which case, my question about Dual vs. Multi is moot.
I was afraid the Dual vs. Multi would affect what was in the iso, but it does not.
(I'm planning to play the iso files with JRiver in the office and at work.)
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Yes, ISOs play back in JRIver (you never mentioned you wanted to play ISOs, you started with multichannel extraction). All good...took a long windy road :) but all good.
BTW, write yourself a simple custom view in JRIver so that your ISOs only show 2 channel tracks (so you don't accidentally play the mch ones).
file type is SACD, channels less than or equal to 2.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114531)
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Thanks! And sorry for the confusion in my question--today is the first day I tried setting up any of this.
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Rats. Everything was going fine, but now, several disks in, when I click Execute, the ps3 briefly displays "Client: connected", but returns to "Client: none". Rebooting the ps3 and the desktop doesn't fix it. Any ideas.
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Face palm. It was a Blu-ray, not an SACD. Connected/flash/not connected is the game's way of communicating that!
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Hi
installed Java 64 bit on my ubuntu studio 14.04 OS...
extracted iso2dsd files in same folder
nothing happens when I press execute...
could anybody help me?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120428)
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Hi
installed Java 64 bit on my ubuntu studio 14.04 OS...
extracted iso2dsd files in same folder
nothing happens when I press execute...
could anybody help me?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120428)
My genius son has found the solution.
The problem was that the required libraries/binaries weren't present in the distributed .zip for Linux.
Which is actually logical, but they should've added some instructions.
Downloading and compiling the code is pretty straight forward.
Best install cmake and subversion if you dont already have them:
Open your terminal and execute the following three commands:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install subversion
sudo apt-get install cmake
Then to download and compile the sacd_extract tool that's required for this GUI tool.
I had the ripping tool located at ~/Muziek/iso2dsd_gui.jar
So it comes down to downloading some code, compiling it and moving the compiled result (the compiled executable binary version, for your flavor of linux, of sacd_extract).
1) open your terminal
2) cd ~/Muziek (or wherever the .jar tool is)
3) svn checkout http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ sacd-ripper
4) cd sacd-ripper/tools/sacd_extract/
5) cmake .
6) make
7) cp sacd_extract ~/Muziek
The last step will copy the actual compiled tool into the same directory as the GUI so that the GUI tool can use this command-line tool to actually rip the iso.
Open the rip tool and rip your iso!!!
Happy ripping
Credits: http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/readme
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Folks:
Apparently I'm having an issue with my Loki which has distracted me. However, when I try to run ISO2DSD (after setting the Terminal for the file where my ISO files are) I get this:
/Users/Mike/Downloads/iso2dsd_OSX_v5/sacd_extract ; exit;
Mac-ac87a318b227:~ Mike$ /Users/Mike/Downloads/iso2dsd_OSX_v5/sacd_extract ; exit;
libsacdread: Can't stat /dev/cdrom
No such file or directory
And then I am logged out and Terminal gleefully reports: [Process Completed]. But nothing is changed, no DSD files anywhere I can find...
I'm lost... I know NOTHING of Unix, so that maybe a factor in how lost I am. Please advise.
Thanks,
Mike
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The problem was that the required libraries/binaries weren't present in the distributed .zip for Linux.
Which is actually logical, but they should've added some instructions.
Downloading and compiling the code is pretty straight forward.
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If your operating system is 64 bits, no need to do anything about it. No packages for different platforms are needed, only the generic binary for your OS.
All he did was to recompile the binary (the same one included in the zip)...
Probably the first did not work because I did not execute permissions [right click (the binary sacd_extract)> properties > allow run a program or > Terminal > chmod+x sacd_extract]
One way to check whether the program works: Open a terminal where the binary is sacd_extract (the ISO2DSD folder) and type:
./sacd_extract -hif there is any problem, the terminal will indicate...
If your operating system is 32 bits, the binary will not work and then yes, you should compile...
In any case you can also copy (or create a symbolic link) sacd_extract binary to your PATH (such as /usr/local/bin /) and use directly as a command line program...
Sorry for my english
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Folks:
Apparently I'm having an issue with my Loki which has distracted me. However, when I try to run ISO2DSD (after setting the Terminal for the file where my ISO files are) I get this:
/Users/Mike/Downloads/iso2dsd_OSX_v5/sacd_extract ; exit;
Mac-ac87a318b227:~ Mike$ /Users/Mike/Downloads/iso2dsd_OSX_v5/sacd_extract ; exit;
libsacdread: Can't stat /dev/cdrom
No such file or directory
And then I am logged out and Terminal gleefully reports: [Process Completed]. But nothing is changed, no DSD files anywhere I can find...
I'm lost... I know NOTHING of Unix, so that maybe a factor in how lost I am. Please advise.
Thanks,
Mike
Do not speak English (use google translator)
GUI does not need to use the terminal ... Please specify the ISO file directly from the GUI.
Apparently you are using the command line with no parameters, and the program tries to read from the optical drive.
If you use the command line should indicate where the iso file is (with full path), preceded by the -i switch
But (I repeat) if you use the GUI, none of this is necessary only with the selector indicating where to find the iso
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If you want, I can provide the compiled binary for linux 32 bit. Works with the gui
Sorry for my english
I am a new user and I do apologise for replying to a really old thread. However, I cannot see the point in opening a new thread for my special request :oops:..
I would like to use ISO2DSD on a 32 bit linux machine, and googling for a 32 bit version of sacd_compile keeps bringing me back to this point.. The audiocircle user DDM has provided a 32bit compile of sacd_extract to other users on request. I am hoping that the file would still be available somehow. It would be a godsend if a compassionate user could share it somewhere on the web. Special thanks of course to DDM who has compiled it in the first place.
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No worries, I managed to compile from source :thumb:
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Will this run on Windows 10?
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Will this run on Windows 10?
Yes...it should work.
Jesus R
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I can't seem to get iso2dsd to pick up my server. I just got the program, and used the IP address shown on my Synology nas, and even the IP address under Network in System Preferences.
2014 mac mini/yosemite. All didn't work. "Can't open ...addy...for reading"
I'm not that great about understanding how IP address's work. So I appreciate any help.
Chris
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Server mode is for the daemon server (PS3) to extract as part of the ripping/extraction process. You'd be better off first mapping your NAS shared folder(s) to your Mac Mini, then pointing ISO2DSF at them. That's what I do.
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Thanks Ted. I didn't know how, so I found this: http://osxdaily.com/2010/09/20/map-a-network-drive-on-a-mac/
and used this section: How to Map a Network Drive / Server to Mac OS X
It's visible under shared in the Finder, and I even mounted them to the desktop too. But still, iso2dsd still isn't seeing the mounted file, even when I look at the desktop. This should be working.
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Anyone have any other ideas?
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Thanks Ted. I didn't know how, so I found this: http://osxdaily.com/2010/09/20/map-a-network-drive-on-a-mac/
and used this section: How to Map a Network Drive / Server to Mac OS X
It's visible under shared in the Finder, and I even mounted them to the desktop too. But still, iso2dsd still isn't seeing the mounted file, even when I look at the desktop. This should be working.
Here is mine. I've circled my mapped Synology (TedDiskStation) shared folder called Export, and a subfolder under it called ISO.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=126589)
Maybe try relaunching ISO2DSD?
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I really appreciate the help Ted. So Strange, I have my network on the Desktop, and in Shared Folders. Rebooted the program sev. times. But the network is still not being shown. It's not even visible under Desktop even though the Shared Folder is on the Desktop. I opened Sharing under Prefs, and turned on everything. I had to email you the screen shot as I was unable to upload here.
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Ted et al.,
I like ISO2DSD and its GUI. I haven’t used it since Jesus's Nov. 2014 update. I see that update "fixes a bug where a DSF export truncated sample data.”
I recently saw that Mr. Wicked’s extractor has been updated, presumably fixing the same bug (the one that causes a variety of “clicks” or “pops” depending on what data is truncated).
Can someone confirm that the current version of ISO2DSD eliminates the clicks? I was under the impression that Jesus used Mr. Wicked's code as the engine for his, but I think the ISO2DSD update was publicized before Mr. Wicked's update was--though I could be wrong about that.
I'll have a batch of ISOs to extract soon, so I want to make sure I can now extract straight to DSF without clicks. I did an exhausting number of prior batches going from ISO to DFF and then converting to DSF prior to tagging, just to avoid the clicks. Can I safely use the current ISO2DSD or should I use Mr. Wicked's unGUI?
Many thanks for shared experiences and advice on this point.
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Newb issue here. Success with my first ISO to DSF conversion. But I cannot find the extracted DSF files. They did not appear in the folder with the ISO. Where did they go? Thanks. JCR
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Ted et al.,
I like ISO2DSD and its GUI. I haven’t used it since Jesus's Nov. 2014 update. I see that update "fixes a bug where a DSF export truncated sample data.”
I recently saw that Mr. Wicked’s extractor has been updated, presumably fixing the same bug (the one that causes a variety of “clicks” or “pops” depending on what data is truncated).
Can someone confirm that the current version of ISO2DSD eliminates the clicks? I was under the impression that Jesus used Mr. Wicked's code as the engine for his, but I think the ISO2DSD update was publicized before Mr. Wicked's update was--though I could be wrong about that.
I'll have a batch of ISOs to extract soon, so I want to make sure I can now extract straight to DSF without clicks. I did an exhausting number of prior batches going from ISO to DFF and then converting to DSF prior to tagging, just to avoid the clicks. Can I safely use the current ISO2DSD or should I use Mr. Wicked's unGUI?
Many thanks for shared experiences and advice on this point.
The program that does the work is sacd_extract. This is a graphical interface for ease of use.
If the binary was replaced by version 0.3.8, it should work perfectly [ https://github.com/sacd-ripper/sacd-ripper/releases (https://github.com/sacd-ripper/sacd-ripper/releases) ]
Given that *Development for this application is closed.
the only thing that changed is the binary sacd_extract (In fact, if you have the previous version, you can replace only the binary inside the folder, I did with the Linux version)
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Newb issue here. Success with my first ISO to DSF conversion. But I cannot find the extracted DSF files. They did not appear in the folder with the ISO. Where did they go? Thanks. JCR
They are in the folder where the binary is located. The ISO2DSD folder is assumed.
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First of all, I would like to say thank you very much to the development team for this wonderful app.
I have a question: Recently when I convert one of classical music SACD iso, and the program stop at processing of the 1st track (the track is about 20 mins). Then I changed to convert another pop music SACD iso, the progressing speed is super fast (no setting has been changed). I suspect that is due to the track's file name, the classical track has very long file name when I put the iso file in foobar, and the app is not able to create the file name under Windows system.
If that is the reason, is there any solution to set the file name before conversion? If not, what could be the reason? (the cue sheet is able to be created, but just stop at processing of 1st track). Or should I keep waiting for longer?
Appreciate for all kindly input, thanks!
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@DMM : can you send me email with sacd_extract compile in 32 bit for Linux (tubleuf@yopmail.com) ? This program works perfectly under a macOS 64Bits
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@DMM : can you send me email with sacd_extract compile in 32 bit for Linux (tubleuf@yopmail.com) ? This program works perfectly under a macOS 64Bits
sacd_extract 0.3.8 32bit sent
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It works on my Synology DS214play!! Great job
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Version 0.3.8 for linux (x32 x64)
Compiled versions as backups for me and for those who want to use.
https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=110524 (https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=110524)
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Hi all
I have around 1'000 SACD ISOs that are causing me a lot of work with tagging, because jRiver keeps the tags only in its library and not in a sidecar file that travels with the ISO.
So now I am considering converting my ISOs to DSF and I was wondering if someone could suggest how to most efficiently do this.
My requirements for the process are:
- Batch process that can run overnight
- The files are in a directory structure that models the most important tags, e.g. Abbado\Beethoven - Symphony Nr 5 (1963) (classical)\Beethoven-Abbado-Symphony Nr5.iso.
I would like to put the converted DSF files into an exact copy of the original directory structure. That will allow me to extract the most impotant tags from the directory names using jRiver.
I would appreciate some pointers how to best do this.
Thanks a lot
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Simply put ISo2DSD working folder (where app is) in same directory as your ISOs, so you won;t have huge move or copy work afterward. Then highlight as many ISOs as you want to run that night (I would not recommend 1000 at a time :) ) and set ISO2DSD app for correct channels (dual or multichannel), Sony DSF and DST checkboxed.
If tags are much different than the ISOs (since you have updated the ISOs), then use "paste tag" function in JRIver (just make sure track listing is same order...see my videos). If you are extracting only stereo (for example) set a rule in your view such as "channels equal or less than 2" to mimic the track list of the DSFs.
Fro example, below is my modified "file" view. I highlighted only file types DSF and SACD (Jriver's name for SACD ISOs). My ISOs are reduced to 2 channel listings only for this home office install of JRIver (since my specific home office dac connected is stereo only). I do that with a view rule as mentioned above.
Then simply sort by album then file type then track number, highlight the ISO tracks (green), copy, highlight the DSF tracks (red) and hit "paste tag" (not paste). Voila. Takes 30 seconds per album. You could knock out 100 of these a day, would take 10 days and you're done. The DSF tags will travel with the files.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131765)
BTW, exact directory structure is irrelevant, as long as JRIver is watching them somewhere.
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Thanks a lot Ted, sounds like a plan
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First of all, I would like to say thank you very much to the development team for this wonderful app.
I have a question: Recently when I convert one of classical music SACD iso, and the program stop at processing of the 1st track (the track is about 20 mins). Then I changed to convert another pop music SACD iso, the progressing speed is super fast (no setting has been changed). I suspect that is due to the track's file name, the classical track has very long file name when I put the iso file in foobar, and the app is not able to create the file name under Windows system.
If that is the reason, is there any solution to set the file name before conversion? If not, what could be the reason? (the cue sheet is able to be created, but just stop at processing of 1st track). Or should I keep waiting for longer?
Appreciate for all kindly input, thanks!
Finally I got the answer by myself, just to share with anyone is also looking for answer. The answer is convert the ISO to DSDIFF format, but not DSF format.
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I have been working with ISO2DSD and sacd_extract.exe to extract DSFs from my SACD ISOs over the last days and I found a couple of (dare I call them) bugs in sacd_extract.exe that make working with the program harder than it should be.
I am aware that sonore is NOT the developer of sacd_extract.exe, but I have no way of getting in touch with Mr. Wicked, so I am posting my findings here.
Here we go:
1. When specifying an output folder that contains either a drive letter or backslashes, the program crashes. It works fine, if the output directory is specified in (down the tree) relative terms, using slashes insted of backslashes. The input file can be specified with drive letters and backslashes.
2. If an output directory is specified, the filename reflects the output directoriy names and not the trackname in the ISO. The tags for track# and track name are ok. If no output directory is specified, the filename correctly reflects the trackname and number in the ISO.
3. The behaviour of the -m and -2 switches is inconsistent. If both 2ch and mch tracks are contained in the ISO, -2 correctly extracts only the stereo tracks and -m extracts only the mch tracks. However if only stereo tracks are present, -m extracts all the stereo tracks. Logical behaviour would be for -m to not extract any tracks at all in that case.
These issues are making life hard for us as a friend of mine is working to build a set of batch files that will extract DSFs from my >1'000 ISOs and put them into a directory structure for stereo and a parallel one for mch. These bugs make this job much harder than it could be.
I would really appreciate it, if these issues could get fixed.
Thanks a lot to everyone involved.
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Jacobacci,
why are you using sacd_extract command line arguments? In what way are you "using" ISO2DSD, then? Just use the GUI, then transfer the resultant folders from your ISO2DSD folder. I am not understanding why you are even dealing with backslashes, etc. and having anyone build you batch files. ISO2DSD rids you of all that. Just highlight multliple ISOs in the GUI. ?? I have 2800 ISOs; I would never use command lines to try and deal with them. I'm clearly not understanding why you are reinventing this wheel, sorry.
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Hi Ted
The reason I am trying to do this via a batch is simple. I would like to save myself ten evenings of work.
My ISOs sit in a directory structure which reflects the tags, incl. year, genre and all that are constant for the whole ISO. Doing it with a batch would allow me to extract all ISOs overnight a directory tree. From those directory names I can recover the tags in jRiver or MP3Tag.
I started out with DSD2ISO but then saw that sacd_extract in its latest incarnation has the ability to specify an output directory, which brought up the idea of the batch.
If doing it with less work is regarded as "reinventing the wheel", I will probably have to (unhappily) comply with that view and do it the hard way.
Ted, besides this quibble, I have profited immensly from all the work you guys have been doing on SACD ISO extraction using the PS3 and I am very grateful for it. I am looking forward to Mr. Wicked's new magic box.
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OK, I clearly don't understand your directory issues (JRiver and the tag sorts could care less where your music is stored)...so, good luck and let us know how we can help. You'll find 5%+ of the ISOs have no real metadata to pass on to the DSFs (i.e unknown album). 75% will have all the basic stuff (album, artist, track name, etc). About 15% will have metadata that is basically album or artist, and will populate that across many fields; and some 5%-10% will have all caps (fixed in JRIver with FixCase expression language, examples in my videos).
Remember, "paste tag" and "undo" are your friends. :)
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I simply don't like the idea of files sitting in some unordered directory structure and having to rely on jRiver to find something. If I am looking for a file in Windows Explorer, say to copy it, I know exactly where to look and don't have to go into jRiver to see where the file is stored.
My ideal ripping workflow would look like this:
- rip the ISOs (say 20 of them)
- put them in a directory structure [artist]\[composer]-[album] -> archive done
- batch convert them to DSF into an identical directory structure
- move the DSF directories into the jRiver library and auto import
- do 'get tags from filename'
- clean up the details
I would love DSD2ISO to be able to do step 3 of this workflow. But to do this without unreasonable effort, the three bugs is sacd-extract would need to be fixed.
For me, the directory structure has always been a OS and player independent safety net. With all the effort that went into tagging this stuff, I would hate for jRiver and all it's nifty functionality (which I love dearly) to disappear (Qobuz is in receivership since a few days, so you never know). Say I had to start everything from scratch with a new player software that doesn't have a powerful expression language. At least I have the directory structure and the folder.jpg's to fall back to and start afresh.
Call me paranoid.
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"Get tags from filename" is selling short the metadata that already exists in most ISOs, and that will come over in the extraction automatically. Also,you mentioned you've cleaned up some ISO tags...so use them. Paste that extra tag info into your DSFs of the same name (copy -> paste tag).
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ok, I'll let you know how it went.
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Ted, your suggestion to use copy / paste tags has worked wonders. As I had two identical library trees, I was able to copy the tags of up to 1'000 files at a time to the reimported ISOs. The 17k files were done in 30 minutes. Awesome. Thanks so much for the hint.
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3. The behaviour of the -m and -2 switches is inconsistent. If both 2ch and mch tracks are contained in the ISO, -2 correctly extracts only the stereo tracks and -m extracts only the mch tracks. However if only stereo tracks are present, -m extracts all the stereo tracks. Logical behaviour would be for -m to not extract any tracks at all in that case.
These issues are making life hard for us as a friend of mine is working to build a set of batch files that will extract DSFs from my >1'000 ISOs and put them into a directory structure for stereo and a parallel one for mch. These bugs make this job much harder than it could be.
Hi Jacobacci
I too found the behaviour of the -m switch annoying. I originally only ripped my ISO's for 2-channel playback for headphone listening. After a year or so went by I was looking at acquiring a multi-channel DAC for my AV room and decided to get a head-start on re-ripping all my ISO's into a separate multichannel directory heirarchy, when I discovered that if the ISO didn't have a multi-channel layer it just extracted the 2-channel layer, duplicating what I had already done earlier.
So I wrote a quick script that I use to "filter" the ISO's first. This script examines the ISO file and is able to determine whether or not it contains a multi-channel layer. You can use this script to isolate the names of ISO files which are multichannel and then use this in your multichannel extraction process.
If you're interested, I can pass along the script and chat with you about how to use it.
Kind regards,
Dave
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You can also simply create a rule in JRIver to show only ISOs where "channels equal or greater than 3"
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You can also simply create a rule in JRIver to show only ISOs where "channels equal or greater than 3"
Not sure how that helps with a scripted multichannel extraction process, but yes, that will get you a list within JRiver of your multichannel ISO's.
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Thanks, dmacpher
I have settled on extracting both multi channel and stereo files in one go and keeping both in the same target directory. Basically keeping the same track sequence as in the ISO. I'll do filtering for playback in jRiver.
This will give me the flexibility to build any kind of processing / filtering on the original track sequence should I ever use another playback platform. I have had a very frustrating experience having ripped (pun intended) classical CDs apart by composer. From the original SACD structure I can go to (almost) any other structure.
As a principle I try to stick with the following principle:
- store each physical disc (cd, sacd, dvd) in one logical group / directory
- tag the tracks as fully as possible
- do playback filtering based on the tags, using jRiver views
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Adding to my last post:
In the meantime I found out (which most of you probably know) that sacd_extract only extracts either stereo or multichannel. Cannot extract both in one go.
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Please inform me if there is any sofware like iso2dsd for conversion isosacd to single tracks. My player doesn't read DST64 so I have to convert it to dsf but when I use iso2dsd still have "clicks" at the end of tracks.
I use windows 10 and Vista and don't have windows 7,8. I couldn't install Bogi's ISO2DSF utility on my computers. Thanks
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Hi everbody
New here. I have a nasty click on all converted DSF files (SACD ISO files converted to Sony DSF). Tried converting to DFF but same problem. Has anyone got a solution to this problem?
Using ISO2DSD Version 7.
Thanks
Tom
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Hi, I've got the iso file ready for conversion. It's a 2.1 sacd iso file. I'll select the file, pick all the appropriate tags on the side such as channel mode etc. I'll click convert and then nothing will happen apart from a blue outline appearing on the help button and when I click the help button, an empty small box appears and I'm just stuck with that. Am I missing anything? thanks?
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Hi everbody
New here. I have a nasty click on all converted DSF files (SACD ISO files converted to Sony DSF). Tried converting to DFF but same problem. Has anyone got a solution to this problem?
Using ISO2DSD Version 7.
Thanks
Tom
Been looking at this issue too.
Are you using Foobar2000 to playback the files ?
I get pops in anything DSD played on Foobar (DSF or the SACD .iso files).
Supposedly the latest version of sacd_extract 0.3.8 solves the popping issue but I'm not sure that version is included in version 7 of ISO2DSD ?
I tired running the version 7 of the ISO2DSD program but Norton security keeps detecting "SONAR.Heur.RGC!g28" and deleting the sacd_extract.exe program ?
Same thing if I download the sacd_extract 0.3.8 program directly too.
Just starting to convert my SACD iso files to dsf so I can play on the Oppo bdp-105d.
I don't want to convert much using old (non GUI) version of sacd_extract from 2012 until the popping issue is resolved.
Any help would be great.
Todd
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Version 7 of Win and Version 6 of Mac indeed include sacd_extract v38. I've mentioned it earlier and also it says it right in the first post description ("fixes a bug where a DSF export truncated sample data").
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Version 7 of Win and Version 6 of Mac indeed include sacd_extract v38. I've mentioned it earlier and also it says it right in the first post description ("fixes a bug where a DSF export truncated sample data").
Thanks for confirming it's the same version of sacd_extract.
Unfortunately I can't get the that version of sacd_eztract.exe to run without triggering the Norton security and deleting it.
Has someone had this issue and knows how to resolve ?
I tried going into Norton but there is no option to ignore the file.
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Now that I have had a couple days to play around with the Oppo BDP-105D, I found that the minor clicks/pops are there no matter which file type is used (dff or dsf).
I also got my anti-virus program to ignore the 0.3.8 version of sacd_extract and there was no difference between this and 0.3.7 version with the Oppo.
I'm now using another GUI program with the 0.3.7 sacd_extract and outputting dff files which extract much faster.
I don't use pictures or tags (burn music titles to data DVD's) so this works well.
DST extraction still takes some time however.
Todd
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I have encountered some sacd iso that I cannot change to dsf. They are Classical Music with probably long titles and long track names. Is there anything that one can do with that? Is there any software that can shorten or truncate the characters when it gets to more than 250 characters? Thanks
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Ted, Jesus - a quick question it never occurred to me to ask before:
Does the ISO ripped from the SACD not also contain cover art within it? If so, can it not be extracted somehow?
Just curious.
I always go and find the cover art elsewhere and attach it to the DSF files after extraction, but still...
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I'm having problems running ISO2DSD on my Win7 PC. Program opens with no problem and I can select the ISO to convert to DSF. When I press "execute", I get an error message that says "sacd_extract has stopped working." A cue file is created and so is an album conversion folder, but it's empty. Here's a screenshot of what I get:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148604)
Thanks for an help.
Mike
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Anyone? I must be using the program incorrectly, as I've now tried it on another pc and got the same result. To start using the program, double click the gui.exe file?
Mike
I'm having problems running ISO2DSD on my Win7 PC. Program opens with no problem and I can select the ISO to convert to DSF. When I press "execute", I get an error message that says "sacd_extract has stopped working." A cue file is created and so is an album conversion folder, but it's empty. Here's a screenshot of what I get:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148604)
Thanks for an help.
Mike
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Anyone? I must be using the program incorrectly, as I've now tried it on another pc and got the same result. To start using the program, double click the gui.exe file?
Mike
This is a common issue with some SACDs with long track names. I have always had success with 3 alternate approaches:
- use the shortest path to the ISO2DSD dir. For example, c:\x\<iso2dsd files.
- Try bogi's ISO2DSF tool (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/how-do-you-store-dff-untagged-files-21780/index8.html#post368551)
- In very rare cases, when using 2), you may also need to set the $albumtitle_length parameter to a lower value than 100 (I tried 80) in the iso2dsf.cfg file
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By the way, what does the output mode do? Is the sound different when you change it?
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Hello All,
I'm a newbie in this forum, and I'm here because I started to use ISO2DSD because ... it is very usefull, obviously !
I have some SACD ISO files but don't have (at least currently...) a DSD able DAC, so I need to extract from the ISO container DSD files, then to convert them in FLAC files in order to read them with my Cambridge Audio device (which could not read DxF or DSD files).
And I'm wondering how to do that in the most 'high fidelity' way.
So I tried two possibilities :
ISO -> DFF -> FLAC
ISO -> DSF -> FLAC
and noticed huge differences, please see annexed file.
I use ISO2DSD and then Xrecode 3 tools in the process.
I am very surprised about the huge difference between DFF and DSF files... DFF are about 3 times lighter !! There seems to be a lot of information missed ? According to Foobar2000, which I use as a test reader, both formats are lossless... Is anybody could explain what is the real difference between the data of both formats (apart tagging which should be a few bytes) ?
When played with Foobar the bitrate of DFF files are smaller than DSF files, which seem consistant (sole exception is 'Time' in stereo, which is another strange thing).
Once converted in FLAC the difference in size disappears (which could be seen as quite normal), but not completely, the files converted from DFF are even bigger, at least in 6 channels, and so the bitrate is !!
For now I have not done audio tests seriously, but at first view files from DSF are of better quality.
Interestingly, playing an ISO file with Foobar gives the 'small' bitrate, seems to show that it plays the tracks as DFF files !
So the questions :
- What are the technical differences between DFF and DSF files ?
- Which should be used to convert to FLAC files ?
- Which should be kept for the future (once I will have a capable player, re-tagging is not a problem), taken into account that DFF save my disk space ?
- Why the FLAC files in 6 channels are smaller when converting from DSF ?
Thanks ! I would like to choose the best way before doing a lot of work :wink:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156371)
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Hi All,
I have one question. I extracted DSF files from an ISO and I noticed the the extracted files' dimension is quite smaller than the ISO itself. Is it an issue?
I extracted DFF files from a different ISO and the dimension between ISO and DFF files is comparable... is it normal?
Thanks for your help!
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Hi All,
I have one question. I extracted DSF files from an ISO and I noticed the the extracted files' dimension is quite smaller than the ISO itself. Is it an issue?
I extracted DFF files from a different ISO and the dimension between ISO and DFF files is comparable... is it normal?
Thanks for your help!
The ISO (disc image) is a product of what is on the disc (e.g. hybrid, multi-channel, etc.) so extracting DSF should be that way. With regard to DSF vs. DFF - see this - https://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2016/03/15/dsd-versus-dsf-versus-dff-what-mean-audio-libraries/
So I'm not sure what ISO(s) you extracted from and what was in those files (stereo SACD only?).
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Hi All,
I have one question. I extracted DSF files from an ISO and I noticed the the extracted files' dimension is quite smaller than the ISO itself. Is it an issue?
I extracted DFF files from a different ISO and the dimension between ISO and DFF files is comparable... is it normal?
Thanks for your help!
If the ISO (SACD) has multichannel content, then the stereo DSF files will be a smaller fraction of the ISO size then if the SACD/ISO is stereo-only, in which case the stereo DSF files are most of the content.
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Hi Phil, Hi Ted,
thanks for your answer. it was a multichannel sacd, maybe this is the reason why
channel mode on ISO2DSD was selected on Dual
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Hi
This is my 2nd round of splitting ISO files. In the first, I split to DFF and that was a waste of time.
Now, splitting to DSF, do I select "Convert DST to DSD" (ie check the box)?
The reason I am asking is because when i tried to convert the DFF files to DSF, some would not convert through DFF2DSF by 2ManyRobots with the error "cannot convert DST compressed DFF files".
Thanks
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Hi
This is my 2nd round of splitting ISO files. In the first, I split to DFF and that was a waste of time.
Now, splitting to DSF, do I select "Convert DST to DSD" (ie check the box)?
The reason I am asking is because when i tried to convert the DFF files to DSF, some would not convert through DFF2DSF by 2ManyRobots with the error "cannot convert DST compressed DFF files".
Thanks
Yes, as per my post on page one, extract your ISOs to DSF with the DST box checked. Then, if the ISO table of contents (which gets transferred to the DSF file) has no or little metadata, use something like MP3tag to tag them easily. (Note: Often these ISO tables of content contain poor tags or all caps, etc etc)
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Yes, as per my post on page one, extract your ISOs to DSF with the DST box checked. Then, if the ISO table of contents (which gets transferred to the DSF file) has no or little metadata, use something like MP3tag to tag them easily. (Note: Often these ISO tables of content contain poor tags or all caps, etc etc)
What about the checkboxes for "CUE Sheet" and "Print"?
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Only if you want to save a cue sheet, and print out the entire extraction descriptions. IOW, no need.
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Only if you want to save a cue sheet, and print out the entire extraction descriptions. IOW, no need.
Thanks. Do the file sizes increase with the convert DST to DSD box checked?
From what I recall, it seems they are double the size now than when I split to DFF. The DFF's I converted to DSF were about the same size.
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It depends on whether DST was actually used in filling the disc image (SACD Authoring). Don't worry about it.
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It depends on whether DST was actually used in filling the disc image (SACD Authoring). Don't worry about it.
Actually, it makes quote a lot of difference if it doubles the size of every album. It takes up a lot of disk space.
So if I convert DST to DSD and the resultant file sizes are so much bigger does it mean that the sound quality is better than the compressed (correct term?) DSF files which are smaller if I do not convert DST to DSD?
If there is no difference in sound quality and the extra file size is gratuitous then I'd rather go with the smaller version. I mean all I really need in terms of metadata and tags are the album name, track name, track number and artist.
Please advise so I do not have to go through a 3rd round of conversions again.
Your help is much appreciated but honestly, PCM FLACs are so much simpler than DSD.
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ALWAYS extract DSF with checkbox. Most players wont play DST-encoded material. It has nothing to do with quality issues, tags or otherwise. DST is a compression algorithm that is used on SACDs to fit multichannel and stereo content on the same disc. Although a good number of SACDs don't use it, many many do.
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New user of ISO2DSD. I'm able to extract files from my iso, but the extracted files come out as individual tracks. How can I make the iso extract as a single file? Must be missing a checkbox or something... :?
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Has anybody tried building the SACD_Extract file for ARM? Specifically I'm interested in using a Raspberry PI. I know these units are quite low powered but I have one set up to slowly chew on things like this and speed is not really an issue for me.
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Hi All,
I have a couple of ISOs whose tracks I cannot extract with ISO2DSD. I believe that it least in one case the string's internal names are too long (it's a classical music file). for the other one no ideas
in both cases the program doesn't finish the extraction and it remains still
any suggestions? do I need to reinstall ISO2DSD? or update Java's version to the latest one?
thanks in advance
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Hi All,
I have a couple of ISOs whose tracks I cannot extract with ISO2DSD. I believe that it least in one case the string's internal names are too long (it's a classical music file). for the other one no ideas
in both cases the program doesn't finish the extraction and it remains still
any suggestions? do I need to reinstall ISO2DSD? or update Java's version to the latest one?
thanks in advance
Hello, any hints?
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Hi everyone. :) I am new to this forum, and new to the world of DSD. I have an ifi black DAC that plays DSD
I possess a number of SACD isos, but I have 32 bit computer running Ubuntu 16.04. Do you still provide a 32-bit version of your program?
I assume the program is installed via terminal. What is a binary?
Since it's Ubuntu, any program in terminal has to start with the 'sudo apt' prefix
Thank you in advance
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Is this application defunct? I can't get it to work on any setting...