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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The HiRez Music Circle => Topic started by: mr_wicked on 8 Jun 2011, 10:43 pm
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Guys, first post here and I was asked by Ted to inform you guys about the latest bleeding edge development on SACD ripping through a PS3. Who am I? I'm the lead developer on "SACD-Ripper" who is making this possible.
Ted is actually helping me test the alpha version, to iron out the bugs.. one thing is for sure direct SACD ripping and reading IS possible. Really! If you don't believe me, ask Ted he has prove on his hard-disk! :-)
How does this work? What's most important of all is that the PS3 doesn't have any hardware for DSD to PCM conversion. This means the PS3 operating system is able to read SACDs directly and do DSD to PCM conversion internally in software. When I found out about this I knew I was going to put all effort in getting this information out in the open.
And it really has been a rollercoaster ride and without the hacking and the release of the PS3 keys this would not have been possible. It all came together at the right time, but it required alot of reverse engineering, learning the internals of the PS3 and last but not least writing code to see code!!: (http://code.google.com/p/ida-spu/) Yes, too much time of my life has gone into this, but I don't regret any of it..
Although still in alpha successful dumps are being made as we speak. But due to legal reasons I will not spread binary installation files and I'll leave that up to others. The user interface is simple but it will allow you to dump DSDIFF, DSF, ISO in both multi and stereo channels and it also creates the necessary ID3 tags so your track/disc information is not lost. But remember the software is still in ALPHA, but it's way more than just a proof of concept... let the testing begin!
Installation information:
http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/source/browse/trunk/readme (http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/source/browse/trunk/readme)
Project page:
http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/ (http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/)
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Mr Wicked, you are da man! 8)
And yes, I am happy to be able to say that I am part of the test team to iron out bugs and see this SACD-ripping to its full release! :thumb:
NOTE: Like DVD-Audio ripping, this process is simply intended to allow for a personal music collection to make its way to a computer hard disk for two basic reasons: backup and computer-to-DAC playback. This process is not intended to allow for pirating or selling of music you own, or of gathering music you don't already own!! That's illegal! :nono:
Mr Wicked's programs are two-fold.
1) SACD ripper is a hacked-PS3 based program that allows for ISO images and individual DIFF file extraction. The DIFF files can be stereo or multichannel (if available, of course) and can be played back via a few programs that convert them to PCM on-the-fly (Foobar, Audiogate, Pure Music, etc) or more likely used for one-time conversion to 24 bit HIREZ PCM files for use with your DAC. The ISO images can be stored for later burning (IMGBurn, etc) using DVD-R's (not all SACD players will play SACD-R's. I will add a link to those players confirmed to work. My Oppo 83SE works fine.) or can be used to also extract DIFF files using software in point number 2 below.
2) Windows-based command-line (currently) program that will extract DIFF files from the above ripped ISO image. This software is very alpha, but I tried it today and succeeded. :thumb:
Here is a prelim list of SACD-R capable SACD players:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/6085770-post1.html
Freeware like Korg's Audiogate will allow for DIFF to PCM conversion. I am personally converting to 24/352.8k (aka DXD) and playing back via my Antelope Gold DAC. Over the next few weeks I am going to do some significant a/b'ing to make sure these very large 24/352k files are worth it, or are 24/176.4k files sonically their equivalent.
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Also, for those of you who want to try the ripping, you need an SACD-capable PS3 (i.e not a modern one) and one who's firmware has NOT been updated to 3.6 (no current way to drop back). Here is a list:
http://www.ps3sacd.com/ps3hardware.html
http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566
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Anyone know how to roll back the OS from 3.56 to 3.55?
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No need to try, if there are websites say they can they are lying. The only way to downgrade would be solder a device to the motherboard, this is not something I would advise anyone.
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This is a great tool; unfortunately, I can only wish it had come along a couple of years ago, as the number of PS3s (CECHA-, CECHB-, CECHC-, or CECHE- models with firmware of 3.55 or earlier) needed for this program are few and getting fewer.
It has been well-noted on gamer forums that Sony did not build their early PS3s very well, and many of them are starting to die from excessive overheating.
I bought a CECHA model on eBay earlier this month, and got only about 1/4 of the way through my SACD collection before the unit got the dreaded "yellow light of death" (YLOD), and became totally unusable.
Worse, since there's a homebrew method for temporarily (as in, a couple of weeks at most -- sort of like sawdust in a leaky engine) reviving such a PS3 with a heat gun or hair dryer, I've read that the vast majority of early-model PS3s currently on eBay are YLOD units that have been "fixed" in this manner and are immediately put up for sale on the Bay -- with a "no return" policy, of course -- by unscrupulous gamers to raise money so they can buy a new model PS3, which is much better built but, of course, useless for SACD ripping. Thus, trying to locate a suitable PS3, if you don't have one already, is probably much worse than a crapshoot, with the odds that, if you purchase such a unit, it may only last a few days or weeks before expiring again; and, even if you are the original owner of such a unit, it is probably reaching the end of its usable life.
It would be the ultimate irony if this long-awaited ripping tool arrived just as the hardware needed to run it began to disappear.
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Ok sometimes I am not the absolute brightest but I am having a few problems following the directions plus it has been a very long time since I have done any coding and very little at that so I found a few places to download the .pkg file already done.
The problem I have is it says the disk is not supported or not a SACD? now I can go into the audio menu and play the sacd, either multi,2ch, or stereo but the ripper does not seem to recognize the disk. I installed the keys that are linked to in your google code page. I have tried about 5 or so disks and the same thing. I found another set of keys that had a few more files, is there any way to update the keys?
I could use some help here
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I'm going to write a primer, with screenshots, but for now....
The process is roughly this:
1) Find and download the OtherOs 3.55 firmware. No compiling needed, just rename to PS3UPDAT.PUP and put on USB drive under PS3/UPDATE (PS3 folder, subfolder UPDATE, which you created on USB drive)
2) Find the PS3 keys and put them on the USB drive, no folder. There are like 100 entries.
3) Find sacd-ripper.pkg v 0.21 and put on USB drive, no folder.
4) Obtain correct PS3 and attach USB drive.
5) Follow instructions starting on line 30 here to install custom firmware http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/source/browse/trunk/readme
6) Once done, then go to games section of PS3 and scroll up to “install pkg file” and click on sacd-ripper (which should be on your attached usb drive)
7) SACD-ripper will ask for keys, just say yes, and keys will be installed (its nothing more than that)
I think that’s the crux of it….
Scarletbook.exe is the Windows tool that allows the decoding/decompressing of the ISO file to DIFF , etc...which is also available via the PS3, but many are concerned for their spinning PS3 drive longevity and prefer to do only the ISO rip, with everything else done on a Windows platform.
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Worse, since there's a homebrew method for temporarily (as in, a couple of weeks at most -- sort of like sawdust in a leaky engine) reviving such a PS3 with a heat gun or hair dryer, I've read that the vast majority of early-model PS3s currently on eBay are YLOD units that have been "fixed" in this manner and are immediately put up for sale on the Bay -- with a "no return" policy, of course -- by unscrupulous gamers to raise money so they can buy a new model PS3, which is much better built but, of course, useless for SACD ripping.
Not sure why the gamers are unscrupulous, unless they are advertising the units as in flawless condition or somesuch. Also, the "reflow" technique is not a "couple of weeks at most" fix. It is hit or miss, and I would imagine depends on the skill of the person who does it.
My launch PS3 continues to work just fine, as do at least 4 other 1st or 2ng gen machines some of my PS3 owning friends have. I tend to think the reports of them all being doomed are bit overblown, or depend on whether the machines see 8 hours of use a day, and the cooling environment they are subject to. Between my music, blu-ray and DVD use and my kid's gaming, mine probably sees 20 hours of use every week, but I clean the dust out of it every 4-6 months, and it has plenty of air space around it on all sides.
Unfortunately for me, because it gets used pretty extensively for gaming, my firmware was updated before I found out about this, so I am limited to ripping my SACDs to PCM with the monoprice box.
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Finally got the PS3 with 3.3 firmware version. I don't want to start downloading anything yet til I'm sure I'll not screw this up because it took me forever to find this PS3. Is the instructions Dummy proof? what is the most important thing to avoid other than downloading 3.7 firmware?
I know nothing about the code and computer stuff, if in case I screw up installing some of the required install, can I just delete/correct whatever the mistake is?
thanks,
Joe
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Anyone know how to roll back the OS from 3.56 to 3.55?
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I don't from what part of the country you are, but here in San Jose someone advertise it at craigslist for $120. I don't know if the guy can deliver.
here is the link:http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/vgm/2575660002.html
PS3 Mod Downgrade Service Now Available. {3.70 -> 3.55} - $120 (san jose downtown)
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Downgrade your PS3 system version 3.56 - 3.70 to one that can be modified.
Involves a complex soldering job, and due to high demand this will be available to a limited number of customers. The cost is $120, with a 24 hour turnaround.
Please schedule an appointment online at www.wiimodpro.com. I am currently in San Jose, CA. Phone number is (408) 256-2277 - leave a VM if I don't answer.
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They are probably using this method:
http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/06/phat-ps3-firmware-3-6x-downgrade-via-infectus-waninkoko-brick-fix/
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Here is the YOU TUBE link on how to install firmware 3.55 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enAb-klNGc8
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Installing custom 3.55 is not at an issue for SACD ripper. You simply rename it and put in on a USB thumb drive. The youtube video is about other things other than PS3 SACD ripping...and does not address the poster's dilemma of rolling back (impossible without a soldering iron) from anything greater than 3.55
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For those who have a hard time finding PS3 with older firmware, there is (3.41) one on Ebay for $349. No I'm not related to the seller. Just want to help who are frustrated finding the older firmware. I experienced it.
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I have an original PS3 (in very good condition) that has not been updated in some time. I believe I am on 3.2 right now, but I need to confirm that tonight. It saw moderate use in the past (gaming/music/movies), but since I bought my OPPO, I don't really use it at all anymore.
Is anyone currently looking for one of these?
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I have an original PS3 (in very good condition) that has not been updated in some time. I believe I am on 3.2 right now, but I need to confirm that tonight. It saw moderate use in the past (gaming/music/movies), but since I bought my OPPO, I don't really use it at all anymore.
Is anyone currently looking for one of these?
There is an additional requirement and that is that it is a model that had SACD compatibility "out of the box." There is a chart linked up the thread, but basically for NTSC it must be CECHAxx, CECHBxx or CECHExx. For PAL systems, it needs to be CECHCxx.
Jeff
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For those who have a hard time finding PS3 with older firmware, there is (3.41) one on Ebay for $349. No I'm not related to the seller. Just want to help who are frustrated finding the older firmware. I experienced it.
I purchased a "proper" PS3 on ebay for around $200. As these proper units seem to be rare, and when it craps out it's done, I identified a second PS3 on ebay and have that one in transit. Plus, I am watching yet another one on ebay. Well, I don't need three, so if anyone is interested, I could post/PM the link. $200 seems to be a doable price and I cut off my "screening" of ebay auctions above that.
Jeff
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In another thread (the HDMI de-embedder one) I offered up as to why I have not responded to that SACD solution as often as i used to. I stated:
I have been 100% dedicated to the Mr Wicked project (I am a beta tester) of doing true SACD DSDIFF and ISO ripping. It uses the PS3 as per my other threads about it. I have completed version 1.2 of a word doc or pdf that walks you through "SACD ripping For Dummies". i'll send it to anyone who needs it. PM me your email addy.
Well, several folks have PM'd me, and half of them forget to include any email address (cuz it is not something we do everyday in PM's most likely). But please, if you send me a PM, please include your email address so i can send the pdf.
It is a work in progress on many levels, not the least of which is that folks like Mr Wicked have improved the work flow of ripping and extracting, etc. Also, although stated in the guide, this is STRICTLY for archiving and converting your own personal SACD catalog for use with both PCM (needs conversion, explained in guide) DACs and native DSD DACs (one of which I am evaluating currently, the Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC preamp version). Please do not sell and pirate SACD ISO's, etc.
The guide has links to software and also refers to "attached files" which are zipped files of necessary free ingredients (ripper pkg, sacd-extract bat files, etc) of files difficult to find on your own. Those attached files can be gotten from me, but only once you get passed square one and two (get PS3, update it, etc).
I'll write up a thread about the Mytek DAC soon.
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Hi Ted,
For some reason I am unable to send you a PM. I am interested in the PDF description of the ripping process.
My Email is in my profile
Thanks and regards
Rudi
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Sent!
No need for Ted to take action.
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Rudi, Your PM issues were simply due to your newness to AC (no PM's or free access to features until 3 posts+).
I just sent you an email through the AC app (but it doesn't show you actual email, nor allows for attachments.). I asked, in the email to send me your actual one via my email address. it also allows me to collect it for my large growing SACD guide distribution list.
Norman (and all) I have updated my guide with a couple things but the biggest is that I rezipped my ISO2DSDIFF folder that contains all the latest bat files, the latest sacd-extract.exe and removes any of the FLAC stuff I don't recommend using. The new zip is called ISO2DSDIFF.zip and is available via my dropbox public link. PM me if needed.
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Thanks Ted.
Much appreciated. Rudi is here in CH, so I have spoken to him directly just now. Great to have a circle member so close by!
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Hi Ted,
I am also new to audiocircle, so I must wait and cannot sent any PM's yet. As soon as I can I will be asking for a copy of your guide.
Thank you in advance.
TM
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Thanks ted_b for facilitating this thread. I found it after wading through 20+ pages of posts in another circle discussion about HDMI de-embedders. . .
In that thread you mentioned in passing that you convert the DSD files extracted from SACDs to 24/176.4 PCM. I was wondering why, knowing that you have or had a DSD DAC, and IIRC have Pure Music which will convert DSD to PCM.
Inquiring minds want to know!
Thanks,
Steve Z
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In an effort to get beyond the minimum post requirement, here is another question:
Early in this thread several kind souls offered PS3 that fit the profile (firmware 3.55 or less, still functional, surplus to their needs) for sale for those having problems finding the right one.
Does anyone currently have such a unit available?
TIA,
Steve Z
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One more (three's the charm):
When looking for used PS3s, for an American user is PAL an issue? I'm assuming that hooking one up to a computer monitor obviates any necessity for a PAL TV.
It's probably very obvious now I've never even held a PS-anything game controller. . .
Steve Z
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Steve,
Hi and welcome to AC.
My 24/176k PCM conversion needs pre-dated me getting into native DSD via the Mytek and the Meitner dacs. I convert to PCM no longer. :)
I would not do PAL; I'm not sure it is worth the risk. But I'm not the best expert either (update: you PM'd me on CA that you might have found a PS3; here's hoping!! :thumb:)
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Thanks very much, Ted. I appreciate the update. Good words of caution about the PAL units, and hopefully the line I just found on a US PS3 that might fit the profile will be successful.
Looking forward to sharing my results with the group.
Steve Z
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Using the sacd_extract.exe, I’m having trouble converting the DSF files to DSD.
I downloaded the file ‘sacd_extract_0.3.6_WIN32.zip’ and extracted it into a folder that I named “sacdrip’. I copied my SACD ISO file into this directory so it would be easier to work with from a command line prompt.
I followed these instructions: http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/readme.
Here’s the steps I followed:
1: From the start menu, I typed “CMD” into the command box (or whatever it’s called). This brings up the command window.
2. From the prompt in the command, I navigated to the “sacdrip” directory where I extracted the file ‘sacd_extract.exe’.
3. The instructions include a list of command options and a few examples. I tried following the examples. First, here’s the list of available options:
Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile]
-2, --2ch-tracks : Export two channel tracks (default)
-m, --mch-tracks : Export multi-channel tracks
-e, --output-dsdiff-em : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit Master) file
-p, --output-dsdiff : output as Philips DSDIFF file
-s, --output-dsf : output as Sony DSF file
-I, --output-iso : output as RAW ISO
-c, --convert-dst : convert DST to DSD
-C, --export-cue : Export a CUE Sheet
-i, --input[=FILE] : set source and determine if "iso" image,
device or server (ex. -i192.168.1.10:2002)
-P, --print : display disc and track information
Help options:
-?, --help : Show this help message
--usage : Display brief usage message
Here’s the usage example I tried:
Extract all stereo tracks to multiple DSDIFF files and convert all DST to DSD:
$ sacd_extract -2 -p -c -i"Foo_Bar_RIP.ISO"
So, after the command prompt, I typed:
sacd_extract -2 –p –c –i”TAPESTRY.iso”
I ended up with a folder named “CAROLE KING – TAPESTRY” and 14 individual files for each track. However, none of the files were converted to DSD files. All have the extension DFF.
I read through the thread on Computer Audiophile and learned that if you are extracting individual files for playback, it is better to extract to DSF before converting to DSD. So, I tried this at the command line -
sacd_extract -2 –s –c –I”TAPESTRY.iso”
This time, it created the same folder and generated a bunch of DSF files, again without converting the DSF files to DSD.
I also tried using their usage examples to create multichannel DSD files. Again, I was successful at extracting the individual tracks into files, but I couldn’t end up with the DSD files. The conversion step is just getting ignored. I’m not getting any error messages, so the program seems to be working.
Any ideas???
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Noreltny,
First off, welcome to AC.
Second, DIFF is indeed DSD. There is no "DSD" format, it is either DIFF or DSF. You are fine. What makes you think you are not? I prefer DSF due to better native metadata and that DSF officially supports ID3 tagging, although DIFF is editable somewhat too (and yes i always use the DST uncompress command in my bat list cuz there is no downside; however, if you extract and your SACD ISO has DST compression due to multichannel content, and you forget to uncompress the DST you might end up with garbage, so I always do the lower case "c" command).
Third, you are doing wayyyyy too much work. :) Just use a bat file; it automates the extraction and allows multiple ISO's at one time. See my guide for more info. Feel free to PM me and I'll send the link, which also has the proper Windows extraction folder layout and all the bat files..
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Steve,
Hi and welcome to AC.
My 24/176k PCM conversion needs pre-dated me getting into native DSD via the Mytek and the Meitner dacs. I convert to PCM no longer. :)
I would not do PAL; I'm not sure it is worth the risk. But I'm not the best expert either (update: you PM'd me on CA that you might have found a PS3; here's hoping!! :thumb:)
Pal works for me here in Europe and if you have a Pal monitor and the right power supply to the PS3, it will work.
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Yes, PAL is European standard, not US. I guess it would work, but these PS3 searches are so risky I wanted to state that.
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Yes, the PS3 search is risky no doubt and there is really one ONE PAL model that qualifies, i.e. CECHXXX
We also have an advantage over here as nearly every TV can also handle NTSC, so US films are quite usable here.
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Noreltny,
First off, welcome to AC.
Second, DIFF is indeed DSD. There is no "DSD" format, it is either DIFF or DSF. You are fine. What makes you think you are not? I prefer DSF due to better native metadata and that DSF officially supports ID3 tagging, although DIFF is editable somewhat too (and yes i always use the DST uncompress command in my bat list cuz there is no downside; however, if you extract and your SACD ISO has DST compression due to multichannel content, and you forget to uncompress the DST you might end up with garbage, so I always do the lower case "c" command).
Third, you are doing wayyyyy too much work. :) Just use a bat file; it automates the extraction and allows multiple ISO's at one time. See my guide for more info. Feel free to PM me and I'll send the link, which also has the proper Windows extraction folder layout and all the bat files..
hi ted,
the bat file 2011/9/2 and the sacd_extact.exe 2012/1/9 produce different length of each track. Every track the bat file produced is 3-5 seconds shorter than the track the sacd_extract.exe produced.
Do you know why this would happen? Which one is the correct output?
Thanks
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John925, a bat file is simply a macro of the sacd-extract...the bat files should be referencing the latest sacd-extract. They are not mutually exclusive. The evolution of the sacd-extract.exe app has produced a different track time simply due to one extract treating the silence at the beginning of a track a little differently I believe.
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John925, a bat file is simply a macro of the sacd-extract...the bat files should be referencing the latest sacd-extract. They are not mutually exclusive. The evolution of the sacd-extract.exe app has produced a different track time simply due to one extract treating the silence at the beginning of a track a little differently I believe.
Ted, thanks. I'll try to see if it is the silence issue. Still waiting for your thoughts on mytek 192 comparing the meitner ma-1... :thumb:
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Chuck (aka emmodad, the father of HDMi de-embedding for SACD and who I referenced to begin that trend in my 2010 review) is ill and selling off his stuff to pay med bills. He has a loaded PS3 with fw 1.55 (very early) and selling here on Headfi, and on Steve Hoffman's site. He's asking a lot, but I'm sure open to offers.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608907/medical-911-playstation-3-80gb-ceche01-sacd-system-software-ver-1-55-like-new (http://www.head-fi.org/t/608907/medical-911-playstation-3-80gb-ceche01-sacd-system-software-ver-1-55-like-new)
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Ted - the link didn't work for me
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Ted - the link didn't work for me
Try now...using his head-fi ad, which does not require log in, etc.
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Ted - thanks - much better. I'll think about it (lots going on). Almost snagged one on Craigslist locally a couple of weeks back but the seller wasn't terribly responsive. If I was further along with digitizing things and finalizing which direction I'm going to head (that DAC review you've talked about would be nice too), the asking price would not really bother me all that much with a little give knowing I'd get a mint unit
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Chuck (aka emmodad, the father of HDMi de-embedding for SACD and who I referenced to begin that trend in my 2010 review) is ill and selling off his stuff to pay med bills. He has a loaded PS3 with fw 1.55 (very early) and selling here on Headfi, and on Steve Hoffman's site. He's asking a lot, but I'm sure open to offers.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/608907/medical-911-playstation-3-80gb-ceche01-sacd-system-software-ver-1-55-like-new (http://www.head-fi.org/t/608907/medical-911-playstation-3-80gb-ceche01-sacd-system-software-ver-1-55-like-new)
Thanks, Ted.
Chuck is a great guy and I was happy to help out.
Best,
John
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I am able to buy a hacked PS3 3.55 kmeaw (CFW jailbroken).
My question is: will this hack affect the hack to rip SACDs?
cheers,
Norm
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I am able to buy a hacked PS3 3.55 kmeaw (CFW jailbroken).
My question is: will this hack affect the hack to rip SACDs?
cheers,
Norm
I would think worst case follow the install directions for a stock player that is already at 3.55
http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/readme
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Hi Ted
I am a new member from the UK. I want to rip my SACDs to DSF files (about 300 of them). Is buying a 3.55 PS3 and getting your guide still the only way to do it? If so, how do I go about finding an appropriate PS3- preferably in the UK? How much do they generally cost? Do the files then play without any foibles?
Thanks in advance
Philip
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Ted
A follow up, if I may. Provided the firmware has never been updated, can one tell a "pre 3.55" PS3 by its serial number?
Thanks
Philip
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Hi Ted
I have now acquired a PS3 with a SACD drive and 3.55 FW so I am all systems go to back up my SACDs. Could you send me your pack please?
I will try to PM you.
Thanks for all your efforts on this subject.
I will try to PM Tyson to let him know I won't need his efforts- I am sure he will be relieved!
Philip
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PM sent. Firmware is user-updatable and not associated with serial numbers, etc. But only four models of PS3 (all older) are eligible, regardless. i've posted this before, but here it is again:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69101)
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A sad tale to tell, I'm afraid!
My PS3 seemed to be working fine at first. I was able to update to CFW3.55. Then I was able to load SACD-Ripper.pkg. But when I tried to rip a SACD the screen pixillated, and now the TV screen shows nothing- although the on/off light is green (not yellow). Also the controller light doesn't come on.
Any ideas?- or is it off to the repairer in London?
Philip
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:O
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Same thing happened to me. You will need to get the unit repaired. There's a thread stickied in this forum that details the process and the vendor I used to repair it. It's been going strong every since, about 500 sacd's so far after the repair.
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A sad tale to tell, I'm afraid!
My PS3 seemed to be working fine at first. I was able to update to CFW3.55. Then I was able to load SACD-Ripper.pkg. But when I tried to rip a SACD the screen pixillated, and now the TV screen shows nothing- although the on/off light is green (not yellow). Also the controller light doesn't come on.
Any ideas?- or is it off to the repairer in London?
Philip
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=106312.0
Thanks to Tyson for finding these guys
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I'm going to be sending mine off for repair as I belive it is the laser - won't read anything. I'll probably talk to them Friday and try to get the unit off sometime next week. Great find by Tyson.
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I am now happily ripping SACDs!
I would like to say a huge and public thank you to all who have made this possible. I am thinking in particular of Mr Wicked, who I understand did
so much of the development work, ted_b who has obviously contributed hugely and helped me, and Ken B who patiently guided me through the
final stages of making everything work for me on a Mac platform.
Simply implementing all the steps- customising firmware, loading SACD Ripper, ripping ISO files and converting to DSF files- was pretty complicated,
so the achievements of the creators of all this in putting it all together is truly amazing!
Many thanks to you all.
Philip
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HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!
GREAT NEWS!!!!
I just chatted with Mr Wicked. And it seems there was some news this week in the PS3 scene that the keys are now available for 'lv0'. This means there will be firmware downgrades available in the very near future for all SACD-capable PS3s, so the firmware limit will be completely removed..Stay tuned for more details
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HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!
GREAT NEWS!!!!
I just chatted with Mr Wicked. And it seems there was some news this week in the PS3 scene that the keys are now available for 'lv0'. This means there will be firmware downgrades available in the very near future for all SACD-capable PS3s, so the firmware limit will be completely removed..Stay tuned for more details
That would be great. It took me almost a year and a half to find one with the right firmware (and apparently the laser went after ripping 10 or so discs so it's going off to EFX for repair next week). I'd buy at least one more for back-up if that could be done. Most people update the firmware since it won't play certain discs after a bit. I had to do it to the non-SACD unit in my bedroom system a couple of weeks back as it would not play a couple of Blu-Rays. I let it go after the first one and just watched on another system but after the second, I figured I might as well do it and be able to watch movies as that is what it is there for.
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and new to SACD ripping. After much searching I have managed to track down a PS3 with the correct firmware! So far I have managed to complete the steps of loading the Kmeaw 3.55 custom firmware and the SACD Ripper but I cannot locate the PS3 root keys in order to complete the process! Ted_b I would really appreciate it if you could send me your pack which will hopefully solve my problem, and if someone could guide me through the process (and required programs) for ripping SACD's for backup purposes on a MAC I would be eternally grateful. I would like to add my sincere thanks to Mr Wicked and all members of this forum whose hard work and perseverance have made this process a reality, I for on am extremely grateful.
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Hi, can any one point me in the direction of the PS3 root keys please, I have been searching for days on the internet and all links to a zip file of the root keys seem to be dead or removed. This is the only thing I need now to be able to start backing up my SACD's! Can anyone help????
Many thanks,
Mick
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Hi again, I now know that I need the PS3 root keys known as 'metldr key', but I still can not find a zip file for the aforementioned key. Any help gratefully received.
Regards
Mick
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I have NO idea why I didn't see these posts earlier. I will send a PM. All keys, etc.
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Thank you Ted that would be brilliant. I have spent the last week now trying to locate the keys but I guess Sony did a good job of removing or blocking the sources! I am a dedicated headphone user, (HeadRoom Balanced UltraDac and Ultra Desktop Amp with Desktop Power Supply running HD800/HD650 with balanced Cardas cables), and hi-res music really makes a difference to the detail and soundstage in my favourite recordings. I transferred my CD collection onto a NAS hard drive years ago for use with my Sonos system, but this will only stream 16/44.1 files. I recently purchased a Squeezebox Touch which now means that I can stream my 24/92 music files to my squeezebox via ethernet and then on to my UltraDac; and so far it is all working perfectly! I had no idea I could add my SACD's to my NAS via a PS3 until I stumbled across this forum, so once again I big thank you to Mr Wicked, yourself Ted and everyone else who had a hand in making the process possible.
I hope that once I have extracted the ISO files from the SACD that I will be able to use my Mac to do the rest of the work necessary to transfer them to my NAS as AIFF files (I'm an Apple man I'm afraid, AIFF files means I can leave my 24/96 files in my iTunes library for convenience but also stream them to my Squeezebox Touch where they play natively). I'm hoping Ted that your PDF will assist me with this process.
Kindest regards
Mick
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I sent everything yesterday, when I posted. I am surprised you don't have it in your PM box.
The MAC scripts are in there too, as I said, but need to be installed in a root directory (once the ISO's are ripped via the PS3 of course). For better MAC script use, try Ken's post here:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/sacd-ripping-using-your-ps3-part-2-a-7495/index26.html#post157841
Ken and I will get together and I'll fix my guide on the MAC side soon.
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Ted,
PM received, thank you (sorry replied to your post before I checked my inbox), I can now rip SACD's on my PS3. I have created the folder ISO2DSD and the Mac scripts are inside as well as a folder named 'programs' which contains sac_extract, i have also copied the freshly ripped ISO file into the ISO2DSD folder as per your instructions. When I type cd ${HOME}/Music/ISO2DSD into terminal (I'm using a Mac) it finds the folder ok, however when i then type "Extract DST Stereo Files.sh" terminal states. "cannot execute binary file". Any idea where I may be going wrong?
Many thanks
Mick
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Hi Ted,
Following on from my previous post; I have also attempted the extraction process on my wife's PC:
1) Opened ISO2DSD zip file in my Music folder.
2) In ISO2DSD folder resides, 'Programs' folder with sacd_extract inside, PC bat files, and finally the ISO file.
3) When I double click 'Extract DSD Stereo Files' the command window appears and states:
File Not Found
Extraction Completed
Press any key to continue...
It seems that I am making a mistake somewhere in the process! Can you help please?
Many thanks
Mick
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Use the Extract DST Stereo files.BAT the Extract DSD Stereo Files.BAT will not work if there is DST content. See the pdf file.
Made the same mistake.
Mark
Add on: is anyone else having trouble with the extraction process? It is crashing a Windows Vista 64 Ultimate, Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 machine w/8g of ram. I can get about 6 files completed and then boom, it shuts down.
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Ted,
PM received, thank you (sorry replied to your post before I checked my inbox), I can now rip SACD's on my PS3. I have created the folder ISO2DSD and the Mac scripts are inside as well as a folder named 'programs' which contains sac_extract, i have also copied the freshly ripped ISO file into the ISO2DSD folder as per your instructions. When I type cd ${HOME}/Music/ISO2DSD into terminal (I'm using a Mac) it finds the folder ok, however when i then type "Extract DST Stereo Files.sh" terminal states. "cannot execute binary file". Any idea where I may be going wrong?
Many thanks
Mick
As I stated above, for MAC don't follow my instruction as they seem to put the folder out of reach in the MAC environment...follow Ken's (his good instructions are on the link from CA).
A couple tips that have been included in the latest guide:
1) make sure the ISO2DSD folder (call it whatver you want, btw) is close to the root of the drive, so the path name for the extraction is not too long. Windows doesn't like C://users/tedb/misc/music/SACD/extrcat/ISO2DSD/Chamber_Orchestra_of_Poland-beethoven_concertos_Joe Blow, conducting.ISO/1_Addagio_violin and cello_Opus1234567,movement3.DSF
....and in fact if extracting a classical ISO maybe rename the ISO to something short but identifiable for the purposes of extraction. This looks much cleaner to Windows and the extraction app: C://documents/ISO2DSD/Poland-Beethoven.ISO..track name (you have, of course, no control over extracted tracks names until tagging time so shortening the stuff you do have control over helps reduce the risk of the file path character limitation).
2) use the Extract DST Stereo DSF files.bat for all your 2 channel extractions. Why? First, some definitions. DST is a compression algorithm that is included on many SACDs to fit both stereo and multichannel content on the disc. It is not evident that it exists, however, on any one disc. DSF is one of two DSD formats (the other DIFF). Why do I tell you to use this bat command, then? First, because DSF is the better DSD format than DIFF due to better tagging/metadata, and most importantly because looking for DST compression is a no-brainer. If it's not on the disc, no big deal, but if it is then the DST command is needed to decompress it. using the bat file WITHOUT DST commands means you risk getting garbage from those discs that happen to have DST. Just delete that bat, frankly.
Feel free to PM me with emails or phone numbers and I can help troubleshoot specific issues. I'll then post here the solution for others to learn from (once we kill the gremlins).
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Hi Ted,
I have just got a PS3 with 3.55cfw for extracting all of my SACD. However getting all required files seems to be very hard on the web. So I would like your help in PM me the files and ripping guide. Thanks a million.
john-j
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Hi could I get the pdf instructions and other things I need please.
I updated my ps3 once and need to load the more recent version and forgot what to do.
Thanks for any help!
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Hi Ted
I know you favour DSF over DFF because of tagging. But do you have any evidence of differences in playback quality between DSF and DFF?
Sorry if this has been asked before!
Philip
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Hi Ted
I know you favour DSF over DFF because of tagging. But do you have any evidence of differences in playback quality between DSF and DFF?
Sorry if this has been asked before!
Philip
http://dsd-guide.com/faq/what-difference-between-dsd-dsf-dff-files#.UK1MgeOe-6Y
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Hi could I get the pdf instructions and other things I need please.
I updated my ps3 once and need to load the more recent version and forgot what to do.
Thanks for any help!
jonn-j and helvis,
You need to post more in order to activate the PM (private message) function. I will send PM's with all the links you need once that is accomplished.
Ted
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Hi Ted
I know you favour DSF over DFF because of tagging. But do you have any evidence of differences in playback quality between DSF and DFF?
Sorry if this has been asked before!
Philip
No difference sonically. They simply have different header info, with DSF allowing tagging. DSF is a no brainer.
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Thanks Ted, I just bought an Oppo BDP-105 and am looking forward to custom playlists from my SACDS
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No difference sonically. They simply have different header info, with DSF allowing tagging. DSF is a no brainer.
I have to disagree here - I've ripped a lot of stuff to both DSF and DFF and the DFF is consistently the better sounding of the 2. Note, I am using Foobar via a CAPS server, so no native DSD playback for me, but in my setup I can queue up both files back to back and compare them in real time. The DSF files almost always sound more distant and less detailed. Which is really too bad, because the tagging sure is better with DSF.
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I have to disagree here - I've ripped a lot of stuff to both DSF and DFF and the DFF is consistently the better sounding of the 2. Note, I am using Foobar via a CAPS server, so no native DSD playback for me, but in my setup I can queue up both files back to back and compare them in real time. The DSF files almost always sound more distant and less detailed. Which is really too bad, because the tagging sure is better with DSF.
Tyson, there is no difference, other than the header info. So Foobar has a DSF (plug-in) decoding problem, or more likely a DSF conversion to PCM problem. Try J River.
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Quite possibly. I have all the original ISO files, so I can re-rip to DSF whenever, and I'd like to because the tagging info is really nice to have.
I tried J River on my CAPS server, but I can't get it to play any DFF files without skipping and stuttering all over the place. So I uninstalled it a while back.
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Quite possibly. I have all the original ISO files, so I can re-rip to DSF whenever, and I'd like to because the tagging info is really nice to have.
I tried J River on my CAPS server, but I can't get it to play any DFF files without skipping and stuttering all over the place. So I uninstalled it a while back.
Hmm, that's weird about J River. Mine is flawless (but not doing PCM conversion), and my CAPS is likely less powered than yours (Intel Dn2800mt Atom, as per my CAPS V2+ thread). Something is amiss. I absolutely love J River, and its remote app (3rd party jremote) is the best iPad audio remote app I've used. Maybe we can take this offline and get you fixed on J River. And their tagging (using DSF, FLAC, etc) is both simple (if needed) or very comprehensive (if needed).
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Tyson,
When converting DSD to PCM in Jriver, did you set the PCM output format to a lower sampling rate like 88.2 khz? That might fix the issue.
I use both Jriver and Foobar. Jriver plays all stereo files, including native DSD via USB to a Benchmark DAC2. Foobar plays multi-channel files via HDMI to a Oppo BDP-103. I keep both programs open on the PC and switch inputs and ipod remote apps when moving between stereo and multi-channel files.
If I could figure out an easy way for Jriver to seamlessly send only stereo files to the Benchmark driver and only multi-channel files to the HDMI driver, I'd use it for everything. But for now this solution works.
On a related subject, does anyone know why Jriver auto-tags all my wave files with Chinese characters? Kinda irritating since I don't read Chinese so I have no idea if the Chinese tags are correct.
Russ
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Hmm, hadn't tried that. I'll give it a shot.
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Hi Everyone
Below is a copy of a PM i sent to Ted_b. He suggested I post it generally. Any help from anyone who has had a similar problem
would be much appreciated!
Hi Ted
We chatted earlier about this issue (static near the beginning of large DSF file). You thought it was the DAC not recognising the signal straight away.
It can't be that because the music plays fine for quite a few seconds before the static starts. For tracks shorter
than about 10 minutes, there is no problem. After that, the longer the track, the longer the static before it stops- not
so good for Mahler!! The static always stops once PM has finished loading the file.
I am using Pure Music 1.88, and my DAC is a Vertex Aletheia- a NOS DAC, so PM converts the DSF file to 88.2
I think it must be a capacity issue, because the PM is clearly converting to PSM88.2 OK, the DAC recognises the PCM88.2,
and for a while the PM/DAC is clearly happy to play music whilst the PM is still loading the file. The static is occurring when the end of a
big file is still loading, and stops when uploading has stopped.
My MBP has 8GB of RAM, so I wouldn't have thought that is where the blockage is. You suggested that PM might be running
out of caching space- but I don't get the problem with equally large 192/24 files! So it is clearly something to do with the fact
that the files are large DSF ones.
I have now also noticed that PM uploads into memory my 192/24 files and DFF files from Channel Classics so fast that I
get no problems, and also that when I play a problem movement again (after switching to something else briefly, then there is
no problem!! Could it be that PM has an issue with large DSF files produced by ripping, but somehow resolves this issue for
subsequent replays? How weird would that be?!
Finally, perhaps PM1.9 will solve my problem!
If you really don't have time to think about this, I will understand, but I thought it might pique your curiosity.
Should I post this generally, to see if anyone else has found the same thing?
Thanks for your help
Philip
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Philip,
I recommend(ed) you put this request in the Apple Circle. It is likely not a ripping or even DSD issue, as much as its either a PM transcoding issue or a buffer/hardware one.
I have no issue with it also staying here, but the Apple Circle will give more player and hardware-experienced AC members a chance to look at the issue.
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OK Ted- but I can't put it in CA because I'm not a subscriber.
One further point though. I have just converted my Mahler 2 ISO to a DFF file (rather than DSF). The DSF file continues to give static (even on repeat playing), whereas the DFF file played perfectly! So presumably it is a DSF-specific issue for me.
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OK Ted- but I can't put it in CA because I'm not a subscriber.
One further point though. I have just converted my Mahler 2 ISO to a DFF file (rather than DSF). The DSF file continues to give static (even on repeat playing), whereas the DFF file played perfectly! So presumably it is a DSF-specific issue for me.
But you aren't playing DSD; you are transcoding to PCM. This means it's not a DSF issue, it's a Pure Music or player issue transcoding DSF vs transcoding DIFF. Yes, if the issue goes away stay with DIFF but it's just s symptom of the errors in on-the-fly transcoding to PCM.
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There was someone in Canada that kindly offered to rip SACDs as a service to other members. I can't seem to locate that post so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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anyone interested in a ps3 with sacd on 3.55 i bought a lot of 3 for 350 a piece.
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Javi, Make sure to post this at Compaudiophile and the Aussie site stereo.net.au
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I just now received an "unused" CECHC 60 gb unit from eBay, it still has the protective tape on the display windows. I hope it works and meets the requirements. I bought it on faith for $200. If it won't do the job, I have a relative that wore his so it will be a Christmas present.
Wish me luck.
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I just now received an "unused" CECHC 60 gb unit from eBay, it still has the protective tape on the display windows. I hope it works and meets the requirements. I bought it on faith for $200. If it won't do the job, I have a relative that wore his so it will be a Christmas present.
Wish me luck.
Good luck. Do you need my links and guide (I forget)?
Edit: sorry, hit modify (my ability as mod) instead of quote, and was typing into your post. I deleted it.
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Setting J River to output 96k and not using "Play from Memory" option fixed my issues with gaps and stuttering on hirez music. Also, J River is clearly better sounding than Foobar in my set. So win/win.
Thanks all!
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Oh, nevermind, spoke too soon. This is maddening.
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Good luck. Do you need my links and guide (I forget)?
Edit: sorry, hit modify (my ability as mod) instead of quote, and was typing into your post. I deleted it.
I'm good. I'll get started Wednesday.
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The person I bought it from stated the the version was 3.55. Turns out it is really 4.3.1. So I have to discuss it with him and see about getting my funds returned.
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I am sorry. What a jerk! Seems audiogon and ebay sellers get worse and worse.
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:(
The person I bought it from stated the the version was 3.55. Turns out it is really 4.3.1. So I have to discuss it with him and see about getting my funds returned.
It was an over a year (probably about a year and a half) process to find one locally on Craigslist for me. I'd send out an e-mail asking for confirmation of the hardware model (per the link in Ted B's reply no. 2 on the first page of this thread) and tell them I can't use it if is not the proper model and firmware and I'd give them instructions on how to check the firmware version. About two thirds of the time, they wouldn't respond. The rest would usually respond and that would be the end of it. Sometimes, I'd get additional e-mails offering it even cheaper since it was a firmware version I did not want and I'd let them know I have a PS3 (non-SACD model) and I need the specific model and firmware or it is useless to me. I was really happy to finally get one and although the laser quit after doing 10 discs, it is back and I'm ripping again and even with the repair it is cheaper than the asking price for many (the unit cost me $210 and I got a game - have not tried it yet - and now have an extra controller if I ever wish to use it).
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I am sorry. What a jerk! Seems audiogon and ebay sellers get worse and worse.
Audiogon has gotten worse over time. I agree, a jerk. E-Bay has been bad a long time. I call it SleEz-Bay. I've only bought a few things on E-Bay over the last 10 years. I could tell from speaking on the phone to the seller I got it from that it was OK. It was in the military and being transferred and had a bunch of things to sell and I helped him sell another thing he had. The advantage of getting it locally is you could always pick it up and check the firmware before paying for it. The seller offered to do it for me but I was confident after exchanging a bunch of e-mails and talking to him a couple of times.
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Hi Ted and/or Ken
I use cd ${HOME}/Music/ISO2DSD to convert ISOs sitting on my Mac.
I would like ton convert ISOs sitting on my external HD. I've tried cd ${HOME}/EDD name/Music/ISO2DSD, having set up Music and ISO2DSD
on my EDD, but it doesn't work.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Philip
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Hi Ted and/or Ken
I use cd ${HOME}/Music/ISO2DSD to convert ISOs sitting on my Mac.
I would like ton convert ISOs sitting on my external HD. I've tried cd ${HOME}/EDD name/Music/ISO2DSD, having set up Music and ISO2DSD
on my EDD, but it doesn't work.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Philip
Send a PM to Ken. I do not know the MAC extraction rules real well, but I would guess that it doesn't like executables on an external hdd, or the folder parent is somehow pointed wrongly.
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Looking for a little help on this. So far, I've installed custom firmware on my PS3 and have SACD-Ripper loaded and running. When I start the ripper it asks me if I want to run in server mode, to which I reply yes. The screen for the PS3 tells me my status is active, gives me the ip address and port, says client is none and disc is empty. I then put my disk (Dark Side of the Moon - SACD) into the player and the PS3 now says disc is inserted. The next step is to go to my computer and go to my folder with Extract ISO Via Network.bat (edited with the proper ip address) and double click it. When I double click I get a very quick flash of a command prompt, and then nothing. The command prompt flashes and then disappears. No ripping occurs. Does anybody have a solution for this? Thanks.
P.S. This is on a PC.
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Looking for a little help on this. So far, I've installed custom firmware on my PS3 and have SACD-Ripper loaded and running. When I start the ripper it asks me if I want to run in server mode, to which I reply yes. The screen for the PS3 tells me my status is active, gives me the ip address and port, says client is none and disc is empty. I then put my disk (Dark Side of the Moon - SACD) into the player and the PS3 now says disc is inserted. The next step is to go to my computer and go to my folder with Extract ISO Via Network.bat (edited with the proper ip address) and double click it. When I double click I get a very quick flash of a command prompt, and then nothing. The command prompt flashes and then disappears. No ripping occurs. Does anybody have a solution for this? Thanks.
P.S. This is on a PC.
I don't rip via the network. I know with my non-SACD PS3, I had trouble getting it to see things on my network so I'd guess (could be way off base), it has something to do with network sharing setting.
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I don't rip via the network. I know with my non-SACD PS3, I had trouble getting it to see things on my network so I'd guess (could be way off base), it has something to do with network sharing setting.
It could be a network issue. When I attempted to setup networking in the PS3 a test was run, which told me that I would need to update my PS3 software to get on Playstation Network (or whatever it was called) before it seemed to terminate the setup. I don't know, does SACD Ripper bypass PS3's networking setup or does it utilize it? I did get an ip address assigned.
I guess if server mode doesn't work for me, I need to buy a larger thumb/jump/usb drive. I guess a usb connected hard drive won't work.
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Sometimes the PS3 does funny things. I have the non-SACD one as a Blu-Ray player in the bedroom system and about 3 months ago it would not play a newer Blu-Ray disc and gave me a message that I needed to update the firmware. So I did and the disc played. I had a 4G USB thumb drive originally and some files are bigger (and if you read Ted's instructions a disc over 4G will produce files that need to be joined). I picked up a 32G for around $20 from memory and it could be me, but it seems to rip faster with the 32G thumb drive. I've been ripping 3 to 5 discs at a time. Don't want it to over heat and also at the same time I've been backing up ISO files onto Blu-Rays (will do a hard drive too - just an extra step to have a couple of copies on hard drives and just in case have the media - just overly cautious on my part as I don't want to lose the data).
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Thanks for sharing some real world experience with me. I'm totally new to the PS3 and most of this stuff is a little foreign to me.
How large is a typical ISO? Will a 32G thumb drive, like you do, be enough for all SACDs?
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Thanks for sharing some real world experience with me. I'm totally new to the PS3 and most of this stuff is a little foreign to me.
How large is a typical ISO? Will a 32G thumb drive, like you do, be enough for all SACDs?
It varies (and I have not figured out details as to why they vary - guess it depends on how they are authored) but some are less than 1G, I have a couple over 5G and if I had to guess the average it probably is between 3G and 3.5G. You would want to rip on the thumb drive and store it and back it up somewhere else. Depending on how many you have, hard drives are not all that expensive
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Good info. Thanks.
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The person I bought it from stated the the version was 3.55. Turns out it is really 4.3.1. So I have to discuss it with him and see about getting my funds returned.
That seems to be a common problem.
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Yes, ISOs are varied in size due to two main issues. One, if they are stereo only, and do not contain any multichannel layer content, they tend to be less than 2gb. Second, those hybrid SACD discs produce ISOs larger than that when they have full5.1 multichannel content and little compression (called DST). When I extract to DSF I always choose the extract DSF DST bat file cuz it looks for DST and decompresses it if it sees it. No downside.
I am not a network ripper either, and so my PDF has only the stock network ripping instructions. I rip to USB thumb drives and usually use a 16gb one. That way I make sure I don't rip more than 4 or 5 without shutting down the process and letting the Ps3 cool down. I then transfer the ISos to my pc and repeat and rinse. :)
(at gate waiting for my 6am flight to CES...will report back)
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I find that files greater in size than 4.5gb will NOT copy to thunb drive after joining, so only a network connection can get it to my Hard drive.
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Files over 4G get produced in 2 files that need to be joined with a free program after the rip and it creates an ISO file which can be copied to a thumb drive. I'm copying the ISO files to Blu-Rays which are configured as a thumb drive. It is in Ted's instructions. It is a simple process. I did a few last night.
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Files over 4G get produced in 2 files that need to be joined with a free program after the rip and it creates an ISO file which can be copied to a thumb drive. I'm copying the ISO files to Blu-Rays which are configured as a thumb drive. It is in Ted's instructions. It is a simple process. I did a few last night.
I have ripped over 40 discs but only 2 were ever over 4.5gb and they would not copy to my 32gb thumb drive or my 64gb drive either.
I have joined over 10 disc files since a year now...
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I've only joined about a couple of dozen discs. Those ISO files over 4GB rip in 2 pieces (I use a 32G thumb drive on the PS3) and I have joined them on the computer and then been able to copy the joined files. I did have a problem with one disc where I was able to join it (and get an ISO file) and copy it but it would not extract .dff files. I've been configuring Blu-Rays to operate as a thumb drive (to back-up ISO files as an extra step of precaution) and have dozens of Blu-Rays with files many of which are over 4.5GB. No problems copying them once they are joined.
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I had no probs with file at 4.2gb, but...
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Is it possible to rip the stereo layer only? I don't listen to multi-channel so a lot of time and space can be saved.
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Is it possible to rip the stereo layer only? I don't listen to multi-channel so a lot of time and space can be saved.
It rips the disc image. Once you have the image (ISO) file, you can extract what you want and use that to playback. It's a good idea to back up the ISO files (in process of doing it). I'll eventually at some point probably do some multi-channel of things I like but I've been just extracting the stereo DSD files.
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Thanks, Phil. I suppose I'll understand the process more when I get around to actually doing it.
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Hi,
Newbie here with computer audio. In your considerable experiences, do hirez downloads on the various paid sites that have been ripped via a PS3 sound better than the original SACD disc played through a high quality audiophile SACD player?
Cheers,
Steve.
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Over on the HDMI de-embedder thread I have heard that converting the DSD to PCM files is a better way to go (sound quality Vs jittery HDMI). I gave some SACD's to a friend who ripped the ISO file and gave me converted 2ch DSD to FLAC (via Foobar2000) files as well.
The flac files are 24bit/88.2khz and are about 6dB lower in volume Vs SACD (why that is I have no idea ?).
When I raise the volume to compensate I find something is missing at best ??
I thought I may play around with the ISO file myself (I have Foobar2k with SACD plugin) but I'm wondering if this is a good tool for pcm conversion. Anything better for the conversion or is this a foobar setting issue ?
In foobar I can load the ISO directly but if I get a virtual image drive set up, can I get the DSD files directly ??
My goal is to ditch the de-embedder and be able to play the files from Oppo bdp93 coax out to my Bryston DAC..
Any help will be appreciated !
Todd
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Extract to DSF files and use Korg Audiogate to convert to 24/176.4 format in PCM, (quad speed). This will be the optimal transition rate to PCM.
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Hi,
Newbie here with computer audio. In your considerable experiences, do hirez downloads on the various paid sites that have been ripped via a PS3 sound better than the original SACD disc played through a high quality audiophile SACD player?
Cheers,
Steve.
Steve, welcome to the forum. I have not gotten to listen to the DSD files yet. I just got my DSD DAC, I have a couple of 3TB Oyen Digital drives that hopefully UPS will get to me tomorrow and I have the HAL MS-2 music server on order. So hopefully I'll get to hear DSD files shortly. I can tell you this I have a couple of decent SACD players (I guess it depends on what one calls high quality and I certainly have not heard every player out there and also what is in the system with it). Just what I'm getting via an HMDI audio de-embedder (there's a long long thread on taking hi-rez to your DAC which basically is 24/88.2 PCM fed into the DAC converted in the player and I've gone through the process with a few DACs), I prefer overall vs. what I hear playing the SACD via the analog outs. With no spinning disc (and an SACD player is something that probably is going to have a shorter lifespan than a DAC), I can't imagine it not getting better and I've heard ripped SACDs playing at 24/176.4 into a DAC in my system via music server. I'm fairly new to computer audio as well.
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Hmm, something very odd just happened. I went to rip another SACD with my already hacked PS3. I turned it on (it'd been powered off with the rear toggle for a while), slipped in the SACD, plugged in the USB stick... and couldn't find my previously installed sacd-ripper routine. It's gone somehow. I can't figure out what happened. I've already used this PS3 to rip a number of my SCADs. :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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Never mind. Old man brain fart. :duh:
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Hmm, something very odd just happened. I went to rip another SACD with my already hacked PS3. I turned it on (it'd been powered off with the rear toggle for a while), slipped in the SACD, plugged in the USB stick... and couldn't find my previously installed sacd-ripper routine. It's gone somehow. I can't figure out what happened. I've already used this PS3 to rip a number of my SCADs. :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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Never mind. Old man brain fart. :duh:
I thought for a minute you might have ripped this last http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/708 :lol:
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I looked though the thread and didn't see any more mention of this. So my question is do I still need to find a 3.55 or lower FW Compatible PS3 or can I purchase a newer FW one and have it downgraded?
HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!
GREAT NEWS!!!!
I just chatted with Mr Wicked. And it seems there was some news this week in the PS3 scene that the keys are now available for 'lv0'. This means there will be firmware downgrades available in the very near future for all SACD-capable PS3s, so the firmware limit will be completely removed..Stay tuned for more details
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I looked though the thread and didn't see any more mention of this. So my question is do I still need to find a 3.55 or lower FW Compatible PS3 or can I purchase a newer FW one and have it downgraded?
See post no. 947 at this link by Ted B on Jan. 16 - http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/sacd-ripping-using-your-ps3-part-2-a-7495/index38.html
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Yes, 3.55 or below is still a hard and fast rule, period. Believe me, I will post mltliple times, in multiple threads, once the LV0 keys are utilized in Mr Wickeds ripper, making any compatible player's firmware eligible for downgrading to 3.55. Until then, the very-difficult-to-confirm-via-Ebay-selller 3.55 or less firmware rule is still in effect. Sorry.
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Thank you for the clarification. :thumb:
Yes, 3.55 or below is still a hard and fast rule, period. Believe me, I will post mltliple times, in multiple threads, once the LV0 keys are utilized in Mr Wickeds ripper, making any compatible player's firmware eligible for downgrading to 3.55. Until then, the very-difficult-to-confirm-via-Ebay-selller 3.55 or less firmware rule is still in effect. Sorry.
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Thank you for the clarification. :thumb:
I found my unit on Craigslist locally. It did take me about 18 months. Most of the time when I asked which model and firmware (told tjem where to find it in the system info) I got no response and a few times I got a response that it had the most up-to-date firmware and I'd thank them but let them know the unit was useless. I finally found someone who was selling a bunch of things since he was in the military and getting transferred. I helped him sell at least one other thing (XBox). Knew when I got the response that it was the real deal and rushed there to get it and it was priced more than fairly.
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Got myself up and running last night - thanks to ted_b and his guide!
Found a requisite PS3 on eBay and have ripped about 10 of my SACDs so far. I also downloaded the latest sacd_extract 0.3.7 for Windows and have been using that.
It's working great, with the exception so far of one disc, "The Sound of Glory" by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir: http://www.amazon.com/The-Sound-Glory-Hybrid-SACD/dp/B00005QZLE (http://www.amazon.com/The-Sound-Glory-Hybrid-SACD/dp/B00005QZLE)
It crashes the sacd_extract program as soon as it starts. All I see on the PS3 screen is that the client connects for an instant, then disconnects. Any ideas on how to rip this disc? Are there more un-rippable discs out there? I'd actually really like to have this one as it's one of my fav's - great dynamic range and the Mormons do a bang-up job singing as always.
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Got myself up and running last night - thanks to ted_b and his guide!
Found a requisite PS3 on eBay and have ripped about 10 of my SACDs so far. I also downloaded the latest sacd_extract 0.3.7 for Windows and have been using that.
It's working great, with the exception so far of one disc, "The Sound of Glory" by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir: http://www.amazon.com/The-Sound-Glory-Hybrid-SACD/dp/B00005QZLE (http://www.amazon.com/The-Sound-Glory-Hybrid-SACD/dp/B00005QZLE)
It crashes the sacd_extract program as soon as it starts. All I see on the PS3 screen is that the client connects for an instant, then disconnects. Any ideas on how to rip this disc? Are there more un-rippable discs out there? I'd actually really like to have this one as it's one of my fav's - great dynamic range and the Mormons do a bang-up job singing as always.
I had a couple mine would not do (I do mine on a thumb drive and it could be me but a bigger thumb drive seems to make the process a little quicker). One was an Ann Sophie Mutter disc. It would produce the two piece to join together (over 4GB) but would not give me anything playable. I still have .36 on my PS3. I had a bunch (15?) where it looks as if it is sitting there doing nothing but you just leave the disc in for long enough (you take it out too soon and you get a piece of the disc extracted vs. the whole one). Again, it could be me but I believe the ones that appeared to be sitting and doing nothing are imports I got.
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Got myself up and running last night - thanks to ted_b and his guide!
Found a requisite PS3 on eBay and have ripped about 10 of my SACDs so far. I also downloaded the latest sacd_extract 0.3.7 for Windows and have been using that.
It's working great, with the exception so far of one disc, "The Sound of Glory" by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir: http://www.amazon.com/The-Sound-Glory-Hybrid-SACD/dp/B00005QZLE (http://www.amazon.com/The-Sound-Glory-Hybrid-SACD/dp/B00005QZLE)
It crashes the sacd_extract program as soon as it starts. All I see on the PS3 screen is that the client connects for an instant, then disconnects. Any ideas on how to rip this disc? Are there more un-rippable discs out there? I'd actually really like to have this one as it's one of my fav's - great dynamic range and the Mormons do a bang-up job singing as always.
Have you tried just doing an ISO extract first (i.e not network'd to sacd_extract)? Then try playing the ISO in J River or something just to see where the problem arises (i.e is it the ISO or the extraction).
On the Phil example, often when extraction works and then gives you garbage (like Phil A's Mutter disc) I would try extracting stereo dst dsf (meaning the stereo layer may have DST compression; I always use that bat anyway but some may not).
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I just bought a PS3 for SACD ripping and need to update the firmware, install the keys, etc. My searches for the firmware and other files have been less than satisfactory and I would prefer to get the most current files from someone who knows they work so that I don't turn the PS3 into a brick. Regarding the SACD-ripper.pkg, I would also prefer to get a precompiled package as my compiling skills are quite rusty. It also appears that ted_b has a guide which may be more helpful than the instructions available on the googlecode site.
I am currently transferring my CD library to an external hard disk as flac files to be played on an OPPO BDP-95. I have not seen instructions on how to convert the DSD or DFF files to flac files. Is this possible?
Any help would be appreciated. I would like to send a note of thanks to those who developed the tools to make archiving SACDs possible.
Thanks.
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ted_b, or mr_ wicked, any further news on when the fix for downgrading the software back to 3.55 will be available? If I'm not mistaken the first time I read about it was back in October of 2012. At that time it was announced as coming soon. I really don't mean to be impatient but that was almost four months ago. I know these things take time, but to me four months and still waiting is not equal to coming soon! Has there been some issues, possibly some bugs to work out that is causing the delay? I own a compatible PS3 bought new by me when it first came out, that despite regular use is still functioning perfectly, no YLOD. Like so many others however I never anticipated the ability to utilize the PS3 for SACD ripping and therefore have updated the operating system firmware to well above the 3.55 level. I own over 200 SACD's and I am dying to be able to back them up and also convert them into files suitable for transferring to my portable media device. Ironically about 15 months ago I sold a second PS3 which I had bought at the same time as the first one, which had not been updated beyond the 3.55 level. D'ohh!!
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ted_b, or mr_ wicked, any further news on when the fix for downgrading the software back to 3.55 will be available? If I'm not mistaken the first time I read about it was back in October of 2012. At that time it was announced as coming soon. I really don't mean to be impatient but that was almost four months ago. I know these things take time, but to me four months and still waiting is not equal to coming soon! Has there been some issues, possibly some bugs to work out that is causing the delay? I own a compatible PS3 bought new by me when it first came out, that despite regular use is still functioning perfectly, no YLOD. Like so many others however I never anticipated the ability to utilize the PS3 for SACD ripping and therefore have updated the operating system firmware to well above the 3.55 level. I own over 200 SACD's and I am dying to be able to back them up and also convert them into files suitable for transferring to my portable media device. Ironically about 15 months ago I sold a second PS3 which I had bought at the same time as the first one, which had not been updated beyond the 3.55 level. D'ohh!!
As I posted earlier, there has been no movement yet on the removal of the 3.55 restriction. Mr Wicked believes it will happen this year, period. It's not that he is taking his good ole time; it's the keys that aren't available. I am not technical enough to explain anything further. I have never told anyone to buy a 3.55+ machine, and continue in that vein.
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If anyone is tired of waiting, I still offer a free SACD ripping service.
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That's generous to offer to rip Scads for others. I would like to give ripping my own a try but, as I posted earlier, would appreciate a bit of help from folks on the list with getting firmware and SACD-ripper files known to work. This is only my second post so I don't know if people can send me PMs. If the files are too large to send via e-mail, I would also be happy if someone could point me to websites where I can download the files.
Thanks.
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Ted, I wonder if I can use my Sony xa5400es along with the ripper for SACD's
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The ripper is only for the four models of PS3, period. Sorry.
Tim_f, I sent you an internal email with my guide and all the necessary links. I've updated my guide to Version 3 and included the dropbox links right in the guide, to streamline. The new guide will be on the DSD database later this week, hopefully by tonight.
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There's someone on EBay offering a service to downgrade PS3s to 3.55 firmware. Anyone familiar with him?
I've done some reading on the ps3hax forum, and it seems like it should be possible but it involves some special tools and soldering.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271021530085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Ted, is the upcoming process you've mentioned simpler than this?
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I'm curious if there is an eventual process to roll back the FW to 3.55 what are the newest PS3s that would work for ripping SACDs. I ask as I'm hoping that the latest PS3s that could be used would be more dependable than the older ones. I have no experience with PS3s or the greatest computer skills but I'm interested in ripping my SACD library to an HD if possible. Tyson was kind enough to offer me a options to do this and it is much appreciated. But I'd like to give it a try on my own if I can sharpen my computer skills :).
Bill
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I wouldn't trust anyone to "rollback to 3.55" as it requires soldering, a hardware board swap, etc. Yes, MR Wicked more than hinted that 2013 would be the year we would see an opening up of the restriction, but I am not holding my breath.
The ONLY four models that are even eligible (at 3.55 and below, of course) are NOT new PS3's, guys. You need a model that plays SACDs first off. :) I have said that many times here (the most recent being like four posts up!). The latest produced second gen PS3 was early 2007 I think. Here, again, are the models (in yellow):
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=77047)
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I wouldn't trust anyone to "rollback to 3.55" as it requires soldering, a hardware board swap, etc. Yes, MR Wicked more than hinted that 2013 would be the year we would see an opening up of the restriction, but I am not holding my breath.
The ONLY four models that are even eligible (at 3.55 and below, of course) are NOT new PS3's, guys. You need a model that plays SACDs first off. :) I have said that many times here (the most recent being like four posts up!). The latest produced second gen PS3 was early 2007 I think. Here, again, are the models (in yellow):
Ted,
Thanks for your response :). I appreciate your patience with the repeated questions. I wish there was someone in the Boston, So. NH or So. ME area that could help a group of us that want to rip our SACDs. The reason being even with help of your tutorials we are all not very well versed with computers :duh:. Thanks again!
Bill
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Bill,
PM me and I'd be happy to partake in a conference call or something
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Bill,
PM me and I'd be happy to partake in a conference call or something
Ted,
Thanks once again :). I'll send you a PM.
Bill
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I want to do this once and for all. How do I know if I buy a 60GB PS3 that it will be able to do this? Do I have to ask the seller what firmware is installed? There are a number of used units on Amazon which this thread links to.
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I want to do this once and for all. How do I know if I buy a 60GB PS3 that it will be able to do this? Do I have to ask the seller what firmware is installed? There are a number of used units on Amazon which this thread links to.
Yes, the owner must know the firmware level of the unit and make sure it is 3.55 or below (otherwise you've bought a game machine only; it's of no use for this project), and the unit needs to be one of the four older PS3's that play SACD, as per my table
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If you had to pick between an 80 GB with 3.41 and a 60 GB with 3.55, which would you pick, or is there no difference for SACD ripping?
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no difference...
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Last question (ha): what is an expected range of prices I should expect to pay? Is $250 a reasonable price?
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Last question (ha): what is an expected range of prices I should expect to pay? Is $250 a reasonable price?
Yes - that is reasonable for one that works with the proper firmware. That's probably at the lower end of the fair price range as well.
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Last question (ha): what is an expected range of prices I should expect to pay? Is $250 a reasonable price?
Ask the seller if there are any operational problems - YLOD (Yellow Light Of Death), fan not working, Blu-Ray drive not working, any other indicator light errors.
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Yes - that is reasonable for one that works with the proper firmware. That's probably at the lower end of the fair price range as well.
Agreed. Jump on it. Some have paid $500. And its' worth is of course relative to the size of your project; small SACD libraries of less than 50 discs are likely not a canddate for a $500 ripper. I have 1200 discs and paid $180 for mine, but that was on Day one 18 months ago.
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I found one for $200. Now the fun begins.
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I assume I can get everything I need from here http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/
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I assume I can get everything I need from here http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/
Nope, from here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
My Ripping guide (which includes all links to tools and complied software...you're welcome) are at the bottom :)
or PM me and I'll send the PDF.
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All I can say is thank you.
I got the PS3 today, upgraded to 3.55, etc etc. I am running in server mode so I am ripping to my PC. I converted the DSFs to 24/96 flacs and I am listening to them on my Squeezebox touch.
Since I do not yet have a DSD I will be converting to flacs for now.
Should I just store the DSF files, the ISO file, or both for future use with a DSD DAC?
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All I can say is thank you.
I got the PS3 today, upgraded to 3.55, etc etc. I am running in server mode so I am ripping to my PC. I converted the DSFs to 24/96 flacs and I am listening to them on my Squeezebox touch.
Since I do not yet have a DSD I will be converting to flacs for now.
Should I just store the DSF files, the ISO file, or both for future use with a DSD DAC?
Personally, I'd do both and at least back-up the ISO files as the extraction process does not take that long and you don't want to lose them. I'm finishing my non-classical hi-rez 3TB drive now and will have it backed up over the weekend (I have the ISO files done already for everything). Time permitting, I'll get to the rest of the stuff.
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Yes, by no means do you want to lose those precious ISOs (an be forced to rip again and risk the mortality of a used PS3). Everything comes from them (extracting stereo, multichannel, etc). Simply archive them offline if needed.
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Gotcha. Hard drive space is something I have a good amount of.
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I am going to be posting an ad soon in the FS section for the PS3 I have used to rip my SACD collection. If you're interested, PM me. It is an 80GB unit and is ready to go. I have experienced no issues with the unit.
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I am going to be posting an ad soon in the FS section for the PS3 I have used to rip my SACD collection. If you're interested, PM me. It is an 80GB unit and is ready to go. I have experienced no issues with the unit.
I'm interested in your PS3. Please PM me.
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A bit of a dual purpose post here. To get enough posts to send a PM and to ask a question. Looking for a PS3 and there seem be be a few with new laser assemblies. Given the copy protection built into the drives does anyone know if they will still play SACDs? I've asked the sellers as well but if anyone is still monitoring this thread I'd appreciate their input as well
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More digging and I answered my own question. It depends what was done.
My PS3 features an SACD logo on the side but it fails to recognize any SACD as such.
If your console has been serviced or refursbished it's possible the optical disc drive has been replaced. Only the original BMD-001 has the CXD5064 chip for decoding PSP (SACD's copy protection). The newer BMD-002 drive and other Blu-ray Disc drives do not support SACD.
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New member here. I have been using ted_b's information on a de-embedder for a while now and have enjoyed it. I would like to go the next step up and be able to rip with a ps3. I have sourced a potential ps3 (60gb with 3.41) and plan to go check it out tomorrow night. I have an inverter in the car. Any suggestions on how to test it before purchasing?
As soon as I get enough posts I will contact ted_b for his packet of info.
Thanks
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Nope, from here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
My Ripping guide (which includes all links to tools and complied software...you're welcome) are at the bottom :)
or PM me and I'll send the PDF.
Hi Ted. My PS3 (firmware 3.15) showed up on Friday. Bear in mind I am an old geezer who has never even used a gaming machine before, so I must be led gently. I used to code, but that was many moons ago.
I clicked on the link and saw the spreadsheet with your name but no guide.
Am I missing something?
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Thanks to Ted_B, I have all of the files. Now I am having PS3 troubles - YLOD.
I have discovered a pattern - if the machine has been off for a while, I can turn it on without a YLOD, but also no video through either the HDMI or AV cable. After that, turning it off and on (either via the front or back) I get the YLOD, and I keep getting it until I leave it off for a while. Before I give up entirely, I thought I would ask here if anyone has any suggestions.
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Hi Ted, downloaded your SACD Ripping for PS3 Guide, fantastic work! Noticed that the first link in the document for ISO2DSD yielded a Page Not Found Error. Is there an updated link? The other links in the document seem fine.
Thank you,
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Ted B.
Thank you for the guides but I am experiencing the same thing with the PDF guide linking the ISO2DSD page that ALarryR is. Any chance of updating that link or being guided to a new link?
Thank you.
TV
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The ISO2DSD link is dead cuz I no longer do that. I have found that some folks put it too deep into their folder structure (causing extraction problems cuz the path names of classical titles and tracks can get too long). So Instead my new guide (soon) will simply have this step by step for it. Here:
For Windows extraction:
Here is a simple primer (in case you don’t already have a root folder and Programs subfolder):
1) First make a new folder close to a root drive (so the naming path doesn’t get too long..sometimes the classical ones are ridiculous). Call it anything, say, ISO2DSD.
2) Then make a subfolder in it called Programs (capital “P”).
3) Put the SACD-extract.exe (first link below, unzip) executable in the Programs subfolder.
http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/downloads/detail?name=sacd_extract_0.3.7_WIN32.zip&can=2&q=
4) Put the bat files (link below, unzip) in the main folder. One is for stereo extraction, one for multichannel
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3487125/Extract%20DST%20Stereo%20DSF%20Files.zip
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3487125/Extract%20DST%20DSF%20Multichannel%20Files.zip
5) So then put any number of ISOs (rename the ISOs if their name is too long; something that will uniquely identify them but not too long) you want to extract in the main folder (the one with the bat, the one we hypothetically called ISO2DSD).
6) Click on the bat file of your choice, and voila……and then each ISO will extract to DSF tracks, putting one album full of tracks in a folder each (20 ISOs, 20 new folders created). When you do this again (for more ISOs) remove the already-extracted ISOs or they will get worked on again! Each ISO can take 10 minutes or more (multichannel much longer), so once you have this down well do a shitload overnight.
Ted
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Ted
Again you came up with the answers I needed in the post above
I just received a new SACD that I was looking forward to ripping and extracting the DSF files to load on my server and playback with my
Mytek Stereo 192 DAC. The SACD, The Philadelphia Orchestra, Christoph Eschenbach, conductor - Camille Saint-Saëns Symphony No. 3 Organ was causing the extractor to crash after the 3rd file was extracted.
The other bat files worked but skipped extracting half of the files. I did what you outlined and the suggested i the root file
and Problem Solved
Thanks again
Looking forward on seeing you post your full review on the Exasound EX28
Stew
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I have been using Ted's guide to create ISO images from SACD's with no issues up until today. I popped in an SACD David Bowie's Heathen the rip process started just fine but Created two files DAVID BOWIE - HEATHEN.iso.001 and DAVID BOWIE - HEATHEN.iso.002 the first file is 4,1800,000KB and the second is 1,423,138KB However neither file appears to be a valid ISO image, will not open in Foobar or Poweriso. Has anyone run across this issue?
Thanks,
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I have been using Ted's guide to create ISO images from SACD's with no issues up until today. I popped in an SACD David Bowie's Heathen the rip process started just fine but Created two files DAVID BOWIE - HEATHEN.iso.001 and DAVID BOWIE - HEATHEN.iso.002 the first file is 4,1800,000KB and the second is 1,423,138KB However neither file appears to be a valid ISO image, will not open in Foobar or Poweriso. Has anyone run across this issue?
Thanks,
That is simply an ISO that is larger than 4GB (Fat32's limit), so the ripper splits it into two pieces. Use HJSplit to combine them. No big deal.
http://www.hjsplit.org/
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Will a PS3 with 3.55 version with some added mod will work for SACD ripping???
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Will a PS3 with 3.55 version with some added mod will work for SACD ripping???
1) you need an SACD capable PS3. Ted has a list at the beginning of the thread of the models
2) you need to follow the instructions to make it able to rip
3) I am not sure what 'some added mod' means. What was done?
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Will a PS3 with 3.55 version with some added mod will work for SACD ripping???
See reply number 2 by Ted for the SACD capable models.
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Just installed everything this week to a good 3.55 PS3. Gotten through one little issue at a time, such as going back to Best Buy to purchase a Sony game thingie, since the aftermarket one I had would not work in recovery mode.
Trying my first rip. It always seems to want to go into network ripping mode no matter how I answer the question. In fact, the first time, it did not allow me to rip until I had connected it to Ethernet. I managed somehow to start a rip to a thumb drive. It is ripping as I write this with a cigar.
I really do want to rip the ISO directly to my PC via the network, but now that the ISO2DSD link is dead, I cannot find the Extract ISO via Network.bat for the PC end. I think I have all the other .bat files for extraction, per the above discussion. Thanks, Ted. But, until I found this thread, I was lost for awhile.
So, where do I find the Network.bat?
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Hi Ted, you had mentioned in one of your posts that you have been ripping DVD-Audio discs as well as SACD. What software have you been using to create a backup of a DVD-Audio Disc? I have been using WinX-DVD which seems to create a good ISO Image. However, when I use it to extract the audio tracks it seems to create a single AC3 file. Would be interested in how you manage your DVD-Audio discs.
Thank you,
Larry
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Hi Ted, you had mentioned in one of your posts that you have been ripping DVD-Audio discs as well as SACD. What software have you been using to create a backup of a DVD-Audio Disc? I have been using WinX-DVD which seems to create a good ISO Image. However, when I use it to extract the audio tracks it seems to create a single AC3 file. Would be interested in how you manage your DVD-Audio discs.
Thank you,
Larry
I have a thread from a few years ago that goes into it; I saved it as a sticky for this reason.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=69151.0
I also helped Chris Connaker write this one at Computer Audiophile
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/452-how-rip-dvd-audio-dvd-video-audio-and-hdad-discs/
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Carl, sacd_ripper version 0.36 will ask you up front if you want to do server mode (meaning network..I know stupid name), and answering "no" immediately puts you in the standard USB rip mode. Do nothing (for 5 seconds) or answer "yes" and you are presented with the network daemon. I don't do this route (my CECHB is older and non-wifi, and is 5 feet away from me anyway), but I have promised others I would get familiar with it.
The ISo2DSD link is dead cuz I now send out a simple primer to set it up on your own root drive (too many people took ISO2DSD.zip and put it deep in their folder setup). I sent you the same one, Carl.
The network bat is nothing more than this:
@Echo Off
$ sacd_extract -I -i192.168.1.10:2002
with the bolded ip address and port replaced by yours (displayed to you at ripper startup).
As per my guide, here are Mr Wicked's exact instructions for the network daemon, beginning about 2/3 of the way down
http://sacd-ripper.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/readme
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After much searching, I finally tracked down a PS3 on v.3.55! Whew!
But it doesn't come with a controller!?
So, having never owned a PS3 before, can I simply hook the PS3 up to my laptop and control it from there? Or is a controller required to navigate the menus?
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After much searching, I finally tracked down a PS3 on v.3.55! Whew!
But it doesn't come with a controller!?
So, having never owned a PS3 before, can I simply hook the PS3 up to my laptop and control it from there? Or is a controller required to navigate the menus?
You need a controller. Buy any ole one that is PS3 compatible., The menus are basic.
Also, don't know if I've sent you my ripping guide and links to the software, so you will have a PM here soon.
Ted
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After a lot of EBay watching, I found an attractive PS3 on firmware <3.55. The only problem is that is on DEMO firmware. I've seen mixed comments about the capability of such PS3 to upgrade. Some say it's like any other machine after exiting the DEMO mode (by entering the unlocking code), some say they had issues upgrading? Any ideas about this DEMO PS3?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Help with PlayStation 3 (SACD ripping) - take 3
Sorry Ted, I thought you were just referring me to this thread because you thought it contained an answer to my problem (which it doesn't, yet). So let me try a third time to find a solution...
Thanks to Jody, Tyson and (especially) ted_b for their responses to my earlier post on this subject:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=120232.msg1264417#msg1264417 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=120232.msg1264417#msg1264417)
My primary issue is not obtaining the latest SACD-ripper version (which ted_b has helped with), but fixing the problem with my PS3 that now causes a blank screen when I try to run SACD-ripper.
Now that I have a 'homogenous' set of OS, SACD-ripper and keys (thanks to ted_b), I plan to try the following, unless I hear better advice from someone here:
1. Format the PS3's HDD (there is no game-related stuff on it; only used for SACD ripping)
2. Do a 'reset to default'
3. Reconfigure network and other stuff cleared by that reset
4. Reinstall OtherOS++
5. Install the 'new' SACD-ripper.pkg with keys
6. Cross my fingers and hold my breath! :-)
Has anyone else struck this blank screen problem with a PS3 running CFW and SACD-ripper?
Regards, Daniel (Australia)
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Update:
I did:
1. 'Restore PS3 system'
2. Format HDD (full - took >5 hours for 80GB!)
3. Reinstall OtherOS++
4. Install SACD-ripper (v0.37 - though identifies as 0.36) with keys
5. Run SACD-ripper - still produces blank screen and frozen system!
I'm getting desperate now! Anybody have any clue what's going wrong??
Rgds, Daniel
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You have a bad unit, Daniel. And V37 will show as V37, not v36.
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Hey Ted;
Any update on when instructions of how to backdate the PS3 firmware will be ready?
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Hey Ted;
Any update on when instructions of how to backdate the PS3 firmware will be ready?
Nothing yet. I would not hold my breath. Instead pay the $100 and have it done via hardware.
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Hello, I got my PS3 today and already have ripped 4 SACDs successfully (USB rip mode) :thumb: Thanks again to Mr Wicked and Ted`s SACD ripper primer.
I found my PS3 on (German) eBay. At first I was surprised that there were even 4 offers for this special PS3 that`s needed for SACD ripping. As an absolute beginner in PS things I asked everyone if it is really the PS3 version with SACD-playback. 3 of them never had heard about SACD, the fourth knew about SACD but didn`t own any. I decided not to confuse these people and didn`t enlighten them about the treasure box they are offering there.
Now I wonder why I didn`t look for a PS3 much earlier. It`s good to have a complete sacd/dsd "infrastructure" at home 8)
I bought my last SACD 3-4 years ago. Yesterday I have ordered ten more at once :D
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Yesterday I have ordered ten more at once :D
I completely understand; I blame Ted B all the time for the impact on my wallet (Meitner MA-1 dac and countless SACD's) :lol:!
Seriously though, a huge "Thank you" goes out to Ted, Mr. Wicked, Jesus, etc. for their tremendous efforts on the DSD front!
Randy
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Your wallet? What about mine! ? :D
Thanks for all the nice comments. Sony, et al, have seen an uptick in DSD/SACD buying. I'm very interested in hearing and seeing their new players, etc at RMAF.
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Nothing yet. I would not hold my breath. Instead pay the $100 and have it done via hardware.
Are you saying that someone can backdate the firmware on a backwards compatible PS3 for $100.00? Is there a link to this person/company?
Thanks,
Ed
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Are you saying that someone can backdate the firmware on a backwards compatible PS3 for $100.00? Is there a link to this person/company?
Thanks,
Ed
It's more of a downgrade than a backdate, but yeah. Google is your friend.
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Are you saying that someone can backdate the firmware on a backwards compatible PS3 for $100.00? Is there a link to this person/company?
Thanks,
Ed
Yes, and although there are others....Jason is very good and knows both the PS3 and the ripper project. He is at northeastohiopcs at gmail.com
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In fact, when I get back from RMAF I am going to hunt down the author of the latest rumor....and that rumor is:
That SONY had disabled SACD playback from most PS3's (except the four known models, of course) but that the playback (and subsequent ripping) is available to be restored somehow. This does not include a few unique PS3's like the Superslim ones (and slims are questionable), etc. Anyway...I will look into it. If anyone wants to supercede and/or help my investigation then google something like
“bd_enable_sacd.c”
Ted
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I've managed to fix my PS3/SACD-ripper problem, though I'm not sure just which step was the 'vital' one in the fixing process!
Ted_b, thanks very much for steering me to the latest SACD-ripper version - much appreciated! But just because I'm a raw beginner with the PS3 and SACD ripoping doesn't mean I'm stupid - just ignorant. I think you were a little dismissive with your earlier posts. I didn't for a moment believe my PS3 was 'broken' (hardware-wise) - as a software engineer I know it's pretty hard to do that simply by loading new software on a machine. Additionally, though SACD-ripper correctly reports v0.37 when it runs, you must remember that the whole purpose of my original post was that SACD-ripper was not running on my PS3. So the only way I could check (at that time) what version was installed was through the PS3's Options menu, which does display SACD-ripper v0.37's version incorrectly as 0.36! (See screen photo.)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88321)
But the purpose of this (longish again, sorry) post is not to upbraid ted_b, but to outline the steps I took to restore successful SACD-ripper operation, in case others with the same problem end up at this thread. I did a lot of Googling, but found no-one with exactly the same problem. But there were many threads talking about a 'black screen' when starting a game, and I suspected my problem was possibly similar, given that SACD-ripper appears as a 'game'.
Many of those threads suggested going through the list of actions, from top to bottom, that appear in the PS3's 'Safe Mode' menu. I tried all those, to no avail.
So I thought I'd try 'going back to tors' - 'rebuilding' my PS3 firmware from scratch, to bring it back to how it was when I bought it (second-hand). So I downloaded and installed OFW3.55, followed by an 'update' to True Blue 3.55 (this is what was installed when I bought it, complete with True Blue dongle, which I subsequently sold). Then I installed SACD-ripper v0.37, even though I knew it wouldn't run under True Blue (but this is what I did when I first got this PS3, albeit with SACD-ripper v0.21). But on trying to run SACD-ripper, still just a black screen (in the original case, it at least told me it wouldn't run with that OS). So then I 'updated' to OtherOS++3.55, but still no joy.
Some of the 'black screen' threads mentioned that this is a common symptom if your BD drive is faulty, even if the drive is not required for the game. I thought it unlikely my drive was faulty, given that it worked fine before I did the SACD-ripper update that started this mess. But someone mentioned a BD drive 'reset' (by holding the eject button for > 30-seconds). I did this, but still no joy with SACD-ripper.
Well, I thought, maybe my drive is faulty - I'd better test it. So I popped in an SACD, and was horrified to find that the PS3 didn't recognise there was a playable disc there. The blue light was on steadily, but nothing appeared in the PS3's Music menu. As a last resort I tried rebooting the PS3 with the SACD still in the drive. Now it appeared in the Music menu! I played a bit of track 1 just to be sure all was well with the drive (it played fine).
Then I forlornly tried SACD-ripper once more, not expecting any change. But it ran, and asked for the PS3 keys!! I quickly inserted them, and was ripping that SACD in no time! Woohoo!!!
So in summary, I don't know which of the many steps I did was crucial to getting SACD-ripper running again, but my gut feel is that it was the BD-drive reset/insert-disc/reboot/play sequence. At one stage I looked at forums that explained how to replace the BD drive and 'remarry' it, and one of the final steps in that process is inserting a BD movie and playing it, to 'restore your DRL files' (whatever they are). Maybe inserting and playing an SACD performed a similar function??
PS: After this success, I re-setup my wireless networking on the PS3 (the settings having been wiped during the many system resets etc I tried) with the hope of being able to rip SACDs via the network. But after doing this and checking that I could browse the web, when next I tried to run SACD-ripper again I got the same black screen I had just fixed!
After rebooting the PS3 (since it was frozen), I again inserted an SACD in the drive (SACD-ripper normally complains if there's no disc, so I didn't have one in it for that quick re-test before), and this time it showed up immediately in the Music menu. Now when I ran SACD-ripper it behaved correctly again. I don't know what's going on there.
Incidentally, when I then tried to rip via the network, SACD-extract r274 (on the networked PC) gave me this error message before exiting, despite me having permitted it (via ZoneAlarm) to access the network:
libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.0.112:2002 for reading
(Those are the correct numbers, as shown on the PS3 display at the same time.)
I'm not too worried about that, as the 32GB USB drive I bought specifically for ripping is now working on the PS3. But it would be nice to have ripping working via the network too.
Daniel (Australia)
Update 30 March 2015:
This same problem occurred a second time, when my HDD became corrupted and I had to do a "Restore PS3 System", then reinstall Other_OS3.55++ and SACD Ripper. SACD Ripper again produced the black screen and froze the PS3.
So for anyone stumbling upon this thread with the same 'black screen' problem I experienced, the definitive answer seems to be the "BD-drive reset/insert-disc/reboot/play sequence" which I thought was the probable fix the first time round. I did that straight away this time (except the SACD played even before the reboot), and it fixed the problem straight-up. So there you are - hope it helps someone else.
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Mr Wicked, if you're reading this thread, Lokkerman (from SurroundSound@googlegroups) asked me to pass on his regards! :)
A BIG thanks from me, too, for your work on SACD-ripper – a ripper of a program, if you'll excuse the pun. :D
Daniel
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Daniel, I never said your Ps3 was broken by software..I said your Ps3 was broken period. And that was simply a hunch, an idea you clearly contemplated as you describe possible drives issues, etc. Your reboot fix makes sense (my guide always said to reboot) but am concerned your SACD ripper screen looks the way it does. It is not standard by any means.
I am more than happy to help folks, and believe that I have a decent reputation in doing so, but I didn't write this code...so I can't troubleshoot when one does not follow my guide. Software like True Blue is not anything I can support as I have no experience with it, and it's not art of my documented workflow. Sorry you felt slighted by any of my comments.
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Ted,
Don't get me wrong – I certainly do appreciate your help (as do many others, I'm sure). I was just a little put off by your abruptness in one particular post. Not to worry, we're past that now. :)
As for the SACD-ripper screen you don't recognise, that's because it's not a screen from SACD-ripper but a screen about SACD-ripper! Try this on your PS3:
1. In the Games section, scroll down to SACD-ripper but don't press X to run it.
2. Instead, press the triangle button to bring up the options menu.
3. In the options menu (right-hand side of screen), scroll down to INFO.
4. Now press X and you'll see the screen I showed above.
While this screen is not generated by SACD-ripper, it obviously gets its data from SACD-ripper, so Mr_Wicked has presumably forgotten to update that part of the code that the PS3 looks at for this option info.
As for the True Blue CFW, I'm not wanting any assistance with it, as I already know SACD-ripper doesn't run under it. It appeared in my monologue simply because that was what came with my PS3, and I was trying to 'retrace my steps' to get back to a working SACD-ripper. As you would see from that monologue, I quickly replaced True Blue with OtherOS++, as I had done in the initial instance, and that's what my PS3 runs on now (and has since shortly after buying it).
I understand you're not the author, but have been intimately involved with beta testing SACD-ripper from the start. Thanks for your continuing involvement and generous support. Though it's not an urgent issue for me, I would appreciate any comments about my network failure, if this is within your experience.
Rgds, Daniel
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I could post the same screenshot. It says version 0.36. Confusing but as long as it works...
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Rather than use a USB drive I would prefer to use a HDD over the USB connection, is this feasible?
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That is simply an ISO that is larger than 4GB (Fat32's limit), so the ripper splits it into two pieces. Use HJSplit to combine them. No big deal.
While recently scanning this thread I just noticed this comment about split ISO files from SACD-ripper.
In fact you don't need any additional software to re-join the split ISO, assuming you're running any flavour of Windoze (or MS-DOS for that matter). You can rejoin the pieces into a single ISO with this DOS command, run from a DOS (command) box in the directory where the split files reside:
copy /b file1+file2 filename.iso
where file1 and file2 are the complete filenames of the split pieces (you can add more the same way, if there are more than two) including their filename extensions, and filename is the name you want for the final ISO file. Note carefully the spaces (around the /b, and between the concatenated files and the output file; none around the '+').
The /b is important – it says 'do a binary copy' (the default is for text files, which would wreck an ISO file! :-))
Daniel
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(For whatever weird reason my post from RMAF hotel did not get posted. Here it is)
DanielF and holzohr, I apologize about the screen shot questions and assumptions. It seems I do not know everything about the ripper, as I've never gone to that screen before! DOH! Anyway, thanks for pushing the info here, and as someone I respect once said "I'm learning something new everyday....and I'm sick of it." :)
Yes, dos command level or the free HJSplit. Either will combine 001 and 002 files for a full (greater than 4GB) ISO concatenation.
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Ted,
Please send me the latest SACD ripper version.
Thanks in advance,
Bob
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Ted,
Please send me the latest SACD ripper version.
Thanks in advance,
Bob
Done.
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Hey Ted,
I wasn't very lucky with my first PS3 acquisition - it was dead on arrival. So...had to get another one which I'm hoping to receive in few days. In the mean time I was wondering if could have the guide for SACD ripping using a PS3. Being a new member I cannot send PMs, so I'm not sure what I need to do.
Thank you in advance.
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Andrew,
PM sent. :)
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Hello everybody!
Ted, firstly I would like to say Thank you, it's really great project!)
I have a PS3 that could understand SACD with 1.9 firmware, should I upgrade it till 3.55 before custom?
And would be really great if you send me the latest SACD ripper and keys file and...may be something else, I don't know, what I should have for preparing my PS3, yeah, this is my first time;)
Than you!
Anton
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Horolgium,
Welcome to AC and my HizRez Circle. I will send you a PM with the ripper links and instructions, my guide, etc.
Leave the PS3 at 1.9. The OtherOS firmware will take it to their own 3.55.
Ted
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Thank you for your help!)
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Ted, Mr. Wicked and all,
I've been tracking this for some time and have been pondering the acquisition of a PS3 for ripping. I think my kids got bored at PS2, so we've never gone beyond. I have a few questions. Pardon if they are repeats, but I haven't seen definitive answers; perhaps I've just glanced over them.
1. Many of the appropriate PS3 models I see for sale (eBay, etc.) have been proudly upgraded to more recent firmware than 3.55. I see people offering (eBay, etc.) a service to re-zap whatever firmware and downgrade it to 3.55 (apparently the last vintage f/w that allowed backwards compatibility with PS2 games ??). Has anyone had experience downgrading their PS3 to 3.55 from one of these vendors in order to use the box for DSD ripping?
2. It still seems like this process still requires 3.55 . True?
3. The infamous YSOD problem plagues earlier PS3s. Given that Mr. Wicked's latest tools are network-based, is it even a concern if your machine experiences YSOD problems?
4. And lastly, I've never seen any comment about the useability of a PS3 for game playing after the f/w changes to enable DSD ripping? I.E., can the kids still play games or does the PS3 become a ripping-only box?
Thanks in advance for your help
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Done.
Ted- after about 40+ disks ripped successfully, I have run into some snags on .36. Please send version .37. I will try that and further testing before seeking further help here.
Thanks for all your tireless efforts.
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Horolgium,
Welcome to AC and my HizRez Circle. I will send you a PM with the ripper links and instructions, my guide, etc.
Leave the PS3 at 1.9. The OtherOS firmware will take it to their own 3.55.
Ted
Hi, Ted. I'm a new member and can't send PMs yet, but would like a copy of your guide. Thanks!
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Anyone run into issues with sacd_extract crashing? Mine keeps crashing lately as soon as I try to start it.
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What is an example ISO that crashes it? Is it in your root directory?
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What is an example ISO that crashes it? Is it in your root directory?
I am getting the error message when trying to rip Glenn Gould 1955 Performance (Zenph Re-Performance) Bach: The Goldberg Variations. I am going to try it from another system and see if that is also crashing.
Edit: Same issue from another system also. I even tried ripping Diana Krall - When I Look In Your Eyes from the second pc which I had recently ripped couple of days ago.
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Has anything changed? Are you using my bat files?
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Has anything changed? Are you using my bat files?
No nothing has changed. I even did a system restore to the date I had last ripped any sacd. I am using your batch file to do network rip.
Edit: Here is a copy of the batch file for network iso rip that I am using which is the same one as before
@echo off
time /t
c:\dsd\sacd_extract.exe -I -ix.x.x.x:2002
time /t
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Could your IP address have changed? Have you tried without the timer codes? Have you tried a simple USB thumb drive rip, then use the DSF bat files to try sacd_extract again that way (i.e not server mode) ?
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Could your IP address have changed? Have you tried without the timer codes? Have you tried a simple USB thumb drive rip, then use the DSF bat files to try sacd_extract again that way (i.e not server mode) ?
No have not tried the usb drive. Will give it a shot. I assigned a static ip address but will double check.
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Ted, Mr. Wicked and all,
I've been tracking this for some time and have been pondering the acquisition of a PS3 for ripping. I think my kids got bored at PS2, so we've never gone beyond. I have a few questions. Pardon if they are repeats, but I haven't seen definitive answers; perhaps I've just glanced over them.
1. Many of the appropriate PS3 models I see for sale (eBay, etc.) have been proudly upgraded to more recent firmware than 3.55. I see people offering (eBay, etc.) a service to re-zap whatever firmware and downgrade it to 3.55 (apparently the last vintage f/w that allowed backwards compatibility with PS2 games ??). Has anyone had experience downgrading their PS3 to 3.55 from one of these vendors in order to use the box for DSD ripping?
2. It still seems like this process still requires 3.55 . True?
3. The infamous YSOD problem plagues earlier PS3s. Given that Mr. Wicked's latest tools are network-based, is it even a concern if your machine experiences YSOD problems?
4. And lastly, I've never seen any comment about the useability of a PS3 for game playing after the f/w changes to enable DSD ripping? I.E., can the kids still play games or does the PS3 become a ripping-only box?
Thanks in advance for your help
1. Yes you can send an appropriate ps3 model to a downgrade service. Like myself or search ebay. I also offer system ready to go on 3.55. If purchasing a system to have downgraded please review the sellers feedback and warranty period. There are more unreliable system without warranties from the sellers than quality system on ebay
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2. Yes. Unfortunately, you must be on 3.55 in order to install custom firmware.
3. I think you meant YLOD. This is a problem with the gpu. The system will flash green then yellow and continue flashing red when attempting to boot. This requires a 100 dollar repair called reballing. To prevent the ylod I install fan mods. Also , you can install a pkg called fan mod utility to increase the fan speed using software control. You must install the custom firmware first. This is a major concern due to the age of these systems. they were produced 2007 to 2009.
4. You can still play games. Every game has a minimum firmware requirement. So a game released today would need 4.50 firmware. Since you must be on 3.55 you would need to copy the game to the internal hard drive. Then resign the eboot file for the game. You can google how to do this. You would need a back up manager install.The most common is multiman . All ps1 and ps2 games will still play from disk.Blu ray movies produced by sony also have a minimum PlayStation requirement. Yes I think that is corrupt also :). You would NOT be able to watch these blu rays from disk. You could rip them from multiman and convert the iso to mpeg and view using showtime player for the ps3.
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Hello all together!
first of all let me say thank you to the forum members and especially to Ted. I'm a newbie in ripping SACD with a PS3, not tried yet, the PS3 is on the way.....
Because of the Newbie-status I'm not allowed to send PM's. Ted: is it possible to send me your guide via PM?
Thanks in advance
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I am looking at purchasing a PS3, does the software listed here fit the bill:
"PS3 backwards capable jailbroken on firmware 3.55. Has the latest Rogero on the system. System has multiman, and other emulators in the system now."
I know I am looking for 3.55 but am uncertain of the Rogero and Multiman software. I have asked for the CECH # so if it is a A,B,C, or E machine I will pick this one up assuming the software is not an issue.
Thanks,
Ed
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I am looking at purchasing a PS3, does the software listed here fit the bill:
"PS3 backwards capable jailbroken on firmware 3.55. Has the latest Rogero on the system. System has multiman, and other emulators in the system now."
I know I am looking for 3.55 but am uncertain of the Rogero and Multiman software.
Thanks,
Ed
Do you have the right PS3 Model (one that can play SACDs - it is one the 1st page of this thread: http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566
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Hi Phil, we cross posted while I was editing my post. I have asked that question and am waiting to hear back. Is Rogero or Multiman an issue?
Thanks,
Ed
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Hi Phil, we cross posted while I was editing my post. I have asked that question and am waiting to hear back. Is Rogero or Multiman an issue?
Thanks,
Ed
Ed, don't know what those are for or what they do. What I can tell you is with the right model and firmware, the firmware gets hacked and creates 'SACD Ripper' (and Ted has a great guide) which appears as a game on the PS3 menu.
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Please allow me first to introduce myself - John Walker, an audiophile for 40 years, and a fan of 'open' products and the burgeoning 'make' community. I have finally obtained a PS3 (at the fourth attempt) that is the correct version and firmware to play and rip SACDs. Further, I have enough audio + software engineering background to be able to contribute to the group's activity perhaps by building new features into the code, but my main aim is to rip SACDs to hi-res PCM or DSD for storage and playback from my PC. My questions for the group are as follows:
1. The PS3 is on 3.15 OFW and actually plays SACDs through the optical out. This sounds rare, and potentially valuable Should I try to keep this capability? (I might be prepared to buy a second PS3 if necessary.)
2. Could someone please provide a compiled copy of sacd-ripper, for my own personal use?
3. I cannot get a working ps3toolchain. I've spent a couple of fruitless days trying to build the toolchain under Ubuntu 13.10, but there are broken dependencies. Can anyone in the group advise on the best method to get a working copy? (CygWin or Linux? Which compiler version? How can I stop it from trying to build unwanted texinfo documentation?)
4. Finally, could I ask your forbearance if some of the answers have already appeared? I will trawl through the remaining posts in the next few hours.
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OK, I've dug deeper, found the latest instructions and got the ripper working. Thanks to Ted for all his work making this incredibly useful software available.
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John,
Welcome to AC. Sorry I didn't see your Dec 21 post or I would have sent a PM with all the links. I will now, just in case.
SACD cannot be played through optical, so what you are hearing is the redbook layer. DSD is protected from anything but HDMI; hence the unique aspect of ripping DSD so our DSD-capable DACs (or PCM converted) can play it.
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Hi ted_b,
Could you please send me a copy of your pdf guide?
Thank you very much!
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PM sent. Welcome to AC.
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Has anyone been able to compile sacd-ripper 0.3.7 for the mac? I've downloaded the source and attempted to compile (I have the OSX command line tools (GCC) installed). I got the error bellow while trying to configure. Contrary to the last line of output, it did not generate a config.log file.
Does the difference between 0.3.7 and 0.3.6 matter?
$ sh configure
configure: WARNING: If you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host.
If a cross compiler is detected then cross compile mode will be used.
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for gawk... no
checking for mawk... no
checking for nawk... no
checking for awk... awk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for ppu-strip... no
checking for strip... strip
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) yes
checking for ppu-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
See `config.log' for more details.
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Mattsf, the v.37 ripper is for the PS3 (I know you said "for the MAC" I assume you mean "on the MAC"), and available in a compiled form. It is readily available in my guide. See below. (Note: if you meant the extractor for Mac, that is on Mr Wicked's google page, and also in my guide...but extraction should be done via Jesus's GUI now anyway).
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Gang, I wanted to announce that I have FINALLY updated the SACD Ripping Guide to Version 4.0. It has been rewritten with an emphasis on the new GUI way of ISO extraction (thanks again Jesus), more info on JRiver tips and links, and I've removed all the old manual extraction and early outdated DSD info.
It's on my public dropbox account and so that link is now sitting as the last entry on our DSD database.
DSD Database link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0)
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Anybody try using a PS4 to do this? I have a ps4 and would be mighty handy if it did.
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Hello Ted,
Was also wondering if you could please send me a copy of your pdf SACD ripping guide. Thankyou very much for all the work!
Rich Dreyer
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Rich - please see Ted's post #229 above. A direct link to the guide is now provided in the DSD Database. :thumb:
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Thankyou very much AudioBill & Ted!
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You're very welcome, but Ted did all the work and really deserves all of the credit!
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That's a great guide.
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Hi all,
Newbie here, just getting into SACD ripping. I am about to purchase the appropriate PS3 with older firmware for upwards of $300, it makes sense given my collection of about 110 SACDS. My question is, will I notice that much difference playing DSDs from my PC? Sounds like I will, I just want assurance it is worth the $300...
Thanks in advance,
Bob
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Hi all,
Newbie here, just getting into SACD ripping. I am about to purchase the appropriate PS3 with older firmware for upwards of $300, it makes sense given my collection of about 110 SACDS. My question is, will I notice that much difference playing DSDs from my PC? Sounds like I will, I just want assurance it is worth the $300...
Thanks in advance,
Bob
Bob,
Welcome to AC. If you don't own a DAC that is DSD-capable then no, not really; you will have to have your ripped DSD files converted to PCM. The PS3 project is really only worth it if you have a plan to go to a DSD-capable DAC soon. Your ripped DSD files will play today, once converted, but the lossy conversion to 24 bit will be a step back from the work involved to buy the PS3, rip them, etc.
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Bob,
It's unlikely you'll hear any difference. The primary advantage of ripping SACDs to a PC (IMHO) is the convenience of streaming them from a PC and never having to fiddle with loading a disc player ever again! You can play all the tracks shuffled (if that's how you like to listen to music) - it's hard to do that otherwise, without a 110-disc changer!! :lol:
Keep in mind there are members of this forum (and others) who offer to rip SACDs free. Obviously it's much cheaper (for postage) if you're in the same country (I can do this, but I'm in Australia).
DanielF
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And in most cases a smaller SACD collection does not need ripping (cuz myself, Tyson and others have thousands of rips...so the chance your 110 is in that collection is already pretty high). When I rip folks personal collection I will likely need less than 10% of their discs.
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I am likely overlooking it, but I have just installed the requisite files on my PS3 and am currently ripping an SACD to my thumb drive. I would however like to be able to rip across the network, unfortunately I cannot seem to find the file required here:
copy "Extract ISO via Network.bat" to this directory (if not already there)
Can someone send me a link or tell me what I am doing incorrectly?
Thanks,
Ed
BTW, Just finished putting my first SACD on the music server hard drive, everything worked perfectly! Thanks for all your work Ted, Mr Wicked and Jesus, much appreciated!!!!
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Does anyone know where I can find the file referenced here?
copy "Extract ISO via Network.bat" to this directory (if not already there)
Thanks,
Ed
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You have a PM
Here is the bat file edited:
@Echo Off
$ sacd_extract -I -i192.168.1.10:2002 (put it your own ip address and port)
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Thanks Ted, I thought I posted this last night but for some reason it didn't shown up.
I have the .bat file edited with my PS3 address, no issue. However when I double click on the file to begin ripping the command prompt window flashes but disappears and the PS3 doesn't show "connected".
I was able to rip to a thumb drive without issue so I am guessing this is a network or possibly a sharing issue. I will play with it more tonight to see if I can get it to work.
Best,
Ed
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No luck so far. My router is giving the PS3 the ip address and I can see it on my router. I cannot see the PS3 on my network and it will not connect to the internet. I have tried wired and wireless, no luck. I have googled potential fixes but nothing I have tried helps. If others have worked through this please let me know. I could care less if it connects to the internet but I would like to be able to rip to my Win 7 machine via the network.
I just tried pinging the PS3 from the laptop, it found the PS3 so it must be a setup issue.
Thanks,
Ed
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No luck so far. My router is giving the PS3 the ip address and I can see it on my router. I cannot see the PS3 on my network and it will not connect to the internet. I have tried wired and wireless, no luck. I have googled potential fixes but nothing I have tried helps. If others have worked through this please let me know. I could care less if it connects to the internet but I would like to be able to rip to my Win 7 machine via the network.
I just tried pinging the PS3 from the laptop, it found the PS3 so it must be a setup issue.
Thanks,
Ed
@Ed, coincidentally I came here tonight to ask Ted to make a small correction to the Primer v4 when he gets ready to release v5. I had the same problem and found it occurred because I didn't have any space between the -i parm and the IP address. Adding the space did the trick. @Ted, the instructions on page 13 don't show any space between the -i and the IP address. And like Ed, it took me awhile to figure out that sacd_extract was in the archive with ISO2DSD but the text of the bat file was included on Page 13. I haven't told my wife I bought a PS3 yet, so I hid it behind the TV and now I'm happily ripping with no visible sign of the PS3 even on the TV!
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Sorry, and thanks for the heads up on the network bat file typos. I don't do network/server-based ripping; instead I use thumb drives, and now Jesus's GUI to do extraction.
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I was using thumb drives, but when you're trying to hide a PS3 and a controller from your wife, you need a sneakier method. :D
Thanks, Ted, for an outstanding guide and very well-written instructions. I was apprehensive, but setup and ripping was a breeze.
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@Ed, coincidentally I came here tonight to ask Ted to make a small correction to the Primer v4 when he gets ready to release v5. I had the same problem and found it occurred because I didn't have any space between the -i parm and the IP address. Adding the space did the trick. @Ted, the instructions on page 13 don't show any space between the -i and the IP address. And like Ed, it took me awhile to figure out that sacd_extract was in the archive with ISO2DSD but the text of the bat file was included on Page 13. I haven't told my wife I bought a PS3 yet, so I hid it behind the TV and now I'm happily ripping with no visible sign of the PS3 even on the TV!
rlando, thanks for the input, much appreciated. Unfortunately I am still having a problem. Are there any specific network setting on the PS3 I could be missing? For instance, is your media server connection enabled?
Thanks again,
Ed
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@Ed, yes, my media server is enabled. I also have the same annoying problem that you do where it says I don't have Internet access, I have no idea what that's about. It also could be a different syntax error in the BAT file if you typed it, because it seems sacd_extract doesn't complain about bad parameters. LMK if you need me to check anything else.
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@Ed, yes, my media server is enabled. I also have the same annoying problem that you do where it says I don't have Internet access, I have no idea what that's about. It also could be a different syntax error in the BAT file if you typed it, because it seems sacd_extract doesn't complain about bad parameters. LMK if you need me to check anything else.
rlando, if it wouldn't be too much trouble could you type out your bat file here for comparison? I didn't have to modify anything other than the IP address, then of course I added the space as you noted after the -I.
Thanks,
Ed
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Sure, it's as follows. Sorry this took so long, just got back home:
@Echo Off
sacd_extract –I -i 192.168.1.117:2002
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Correction to the command line above: Page 13 of the primer has a double em dash in front of the I and it should be a minus sign. I pasted that from the primer into the BAT file, so sacd_extract doesn't recognize the -I output parameter and therefore my batch file doesn't work. You probably can't tell from the line pasted above, but in summary, make sure it's -I and not dash I and make sure there is a space after -i and before the IP address.
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Sure, it's as follows. Sorry this took so long, just got back home:
@Echo Off
sacd_extract –I -i 192.168.1.117:2002
Thanks rlando, no issue on the delay, I am out of town and will not be able to test until tomorrow anyway.
Best,
Ed
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@rlando
Your file got me further. The command window connects and stays on for a few seconds, the PS3 says connected, then it disconnects. Still messing with it any other ideas are appreciated.
Best,
Ed
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Do you have a disc in already when you start it? I was having that problem earlier today and now I'm trying to remember what it was...I think what I did was quit the SACD ripper and restart, and then it worked. I've also noticed that sometimes it says on that server screen that there is a disc inserted, when the disc has in fact been ejected or there otherwise isn't one.
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Do you have a disc in already when you start it? I was having that problem earlier today and now I'm trying to remember what it was...I think what I did was quit the SACD ripper and restart, and then it worked. I've also noticed that sometimes it says on that server screen that there is a disc inserted, when the disc has in fact been ejected or there otherwise isn't one.
Thanks rlando, I have tried every sequence I can think of. It appears that something is causing the SACD_Extract program to stop. The connection is working but just a few seconds (or less) after it connects it the command window closes, I sometimes get the SACD_Extract error message. Would it be possible to list the files you have in your destination folder?
Thanks,
Ed
Edit: It has just started working, I haven't ripped a complete disk yet but everything appears to be working as it should. I am not certain what change I made to get it to start working, however I did start from scratch with the Extract via Network batch file. When I copied it over initially the command window would only flash on then close. Once I put a space between the -i and the IP address the window stayed open longer then closed before doing anything. Then I deleted the $ and space and VIOLA, it started working. This is what my extract via network batch file looks like now:
@Echo
sacd_extract -I -i 192.168.1.140:2002
I could have sworn it has looked like that before, but maybe I had a misplaced space or something along those lines keeping it from starting properly. Thanks Ted and rlando for your help with this, much appreciated.
Best,
Ed
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Glad to hear you got it working. Maybe someone on here can explain why it says we aren't connected to the Internet. Probably because we aren't, but why not? Do we need to change a router setting?
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Thanks. I am not concerned about not being connected to the net, the only thing I will use this for is to rip SACDs, it would be my luck that I would somehow accidentally upgrade to a newer rev if I had the connection. :lol:
Best,
Ed
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I'm hoping someone here may be able to confirm if a PS3 I have sourced would fit the bill in it's current state to be made to rip SACDs.
I am told it is a working 3.55 PS3 CECHA01 backwards compatible with KMEAW firmware and multiman installed.
Any help is appreciated.
TV
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I'm hoping someone here may be able to confirm if a PS3 I have sourced would fit the bill in it's current state to be made to rip SACDs.
I am told it is a working 3.55 PS3 CECHA01 backwards compatible with KMEAW firmware and multiman installed.
Any help is appreciated.
TV
That's the coirrect model but not sure about it already being hacked, sorry.
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Thanks for confirming the model Ted. Might anyone else know if you can install the firmware for ripping SACD on a PS3 that already has been hacked?
TV
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Yes you can downgrade every hacked PS3 (correct HW versie of course) to the correct firmware. I have downgraded successfull f.i. a Rogero 4.55 CFW to OpenOS 3.55 and installed SACD-Ripper. see http://stevenbreuls.com/2014/02/downgrade-any-cfw-ps3-to-3-55-or-any-other-cfw/ (use "Recovery mode" and not Settings > System update !!)
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I appreciate all the help I've found in the posts on this forum. It has saved me a lot of aggravation. I have now purchased the appropriate PS3. Is there a guide or a package of files that would simplify the ripping process? I think I can manage the firmware change, but after that I'm kind of hazy.
Thanks all (and Ted, your posts have been a godsend).
--nielss
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This site has been very helpful in educating me about the steps needed to back up SACDs from their original disk media. I've put together a kit that includes the things identified as necessary in Ted's (excellent) primer, version 4. Unfortunately I am baffled by a problem that doesn't seem to be discussed anywhere I've looked. So I'm bringing it here in the hope that someone can help.
I'm stuck at the early step of installing new firmware. The existing FW on my PS3 is ver. 3.55, so I need to go through the recovery menu to install the firmware I need. Got through the initial steps, and up to where the PS3 says "Connect the controller using a USB cable, and then press the PS button."
I do that (and the light on my controller under that button turns red), but the PS3 does not respond. Has anyone encountered this? Is there a way around this?
I've tried pushing other buttons, unplugging and replugging the controller (into a different USB port), rebooting and trying again (many times), but no joy.
The controller isn't dead; I can use it when I'm not in recovery mode. But it's as if the PS3 doesn't recognize it when I'm in safe mode (or trying to get there).
Help? Please? [sound of head hitting wall--again]
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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i am stuck at the point where i have the .iso files ripped but need to decode them to play them through my squeezebox touch. any thoughts?
thanks
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I recently had an occasion to want to run the sacd_extract utility on a directory full of previously ripped ISO files, but I only wanted to extract the multichannel area of the ISO files. I had already ripped all my ISO's for their 2-channel tracks (they are stored in a 2-channel only directory on my Synology NAS) but now I wanted separate multichannel versions of the same tracks stored in a multichannel-only directory on my Synology NAS.The problem I was running into though was that if the ISO file was a stereo-only SACD ISO, it went ahead and extracted the .DSF files anyway, leaving me a directory of stereo tracks. This just wastes time as I didn't want the 2-channel extraction (since I already have it) and I didn't want to have to manually figure out which ones shouldn't be there and manually delete them. I have a large collection of ISO's and this would have taken me a long time!
So I wrote a quick Python script to act as a Unix grep-like filter that takes in a list of ISO files and outputs the ISO file name only if it contains a multichannel area within the ISO. This way I could iterate over just the names of the multichannel ISO's and run the sacd_extract utility against only these multichannel ISO's. I'm posting the script here in case anyone might be interested in using it for themselves.
A couple of points:
- Firstly, I am assuming that you are comfortable around a unix-like command line and are familiar with running scripts in your computer environment. I am posting this for those of you that may find this useful, and I will not assume any responsibility if you mangle anything on your system :)
- The script is written in Python3 and is intended to run on a Mac command line. If you need it to run on Windows you'll have to use it on Cygwin or port it over to the equivalent WINx scripting scripting language yourself
- The script does not affect your ISO file at all. It simply opens it up for reading and reads 4 bytes at a very specific location within the ISO file and then it's closed. On my Mac it runs quite fast
- I've tested this on a large directory of ISO files and it has so far worked 100% successfully on identifying only those ISO rips that are multichannel. I can't say that it is 100% guaranteed to work on all ISO files because I haven't been able to verify that my assumptions on how to identify multichannel ISO's is 100% correct, but so far, so good ;)
Here is the script. Place the code in a file (I called mine 'grepMch') and make sure the file is marked as executable and placed somewhere in your PATH:
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#!/usr/local/bin/python3
import sys, struct
SCARLETBOOK_BLKSIZE = 2048
MASTER_TOC_START_BLOCK = 510
MCH_AREA_START_OFFSET = (SCARLETBOOK_BLKSIZE * MASTER_TOC_START_BLOCK) + 72
isoFiles = sys.stdin.readlines()
for isoFile in isoFiles:
with open(isoFile.strip(), "rb") as iso:
iso.seek(MCH_AREA_START_OFFSET)
mCH_Area_Start = struct.unpack("I", iso.read(4))[0]
if mCH_Area_Start != 0:
sys.stdout.write(isoFile)
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As an example of how I used this script to extract multichannel DSF tracks, this is what I ran on my command line (you can also place this in a separate script if you wish):
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IFSBU=$IFS
IFS=$(echo -en "\n\b")
for f in `ls *.iso | grepMch`; do
sacd_extract -m -s -c -i"$f"
done
IFS=$IFSBU
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Note that because ISO filenames can contain spaces, I need to set the "internal field separator" variable of the shell to something other than spaces so that it doesn't interpret each space-separated word in a filename as the filename itself. I first save the current IFS value in a backup variable and then restore it after I'm done processing my ISO files.
I realize that this may be a bit too technical for the non-programmers among you out there (no doubt the majority of you), but I still think a few may find this helpful. If so, enjoy!
Dave
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Dave, Jeus's GUI does all this automatically. Just pick the multichannel pulldown (rather than stereo). I simply check my ISOs (In JRIver) for multichannel (if I don't already know).
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Thanks, your always such a help.
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Dave, Jeus's GUI does all this automatically. Just pick the multichannel pulldown (rather than stereo). I simply check my ISOs (In JRIver) for multichannel (if I don't already know).
Ted
I tried Jesus' GUI first, of course. I selected all the ISO files inside the GUI, selected Multichannel, and told it to extract. It didn't skip the stereo-only ISO's....it extracted all the ISO's. It seems the default behavior for multichannel extracts is to extract the 2-channel layer if no multichannel area exists, which is what I'm trying to avoid. The native sacd_extract utility has exactly the same behavior. I was trying to avoid having to identify the multichannel SACD's before extracting the DSF files.
At least, this is the behavior when extracting any of my stereo-only ISO's. If you have any Holly Cole ISO's ("Temptation" or "Don't Smoke in Bed") give it a try to confirm this is true.
Dave
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Dave, sorry...yes that is correct. I mentioned that I first check my ISOs in JRiver (simple view where "filetype is SACD", which is what JRiver calls SACD-ISOs, and then "channels greater than or equal to 3"). Your script is great, thanks, but worried it will not be used by those that were clamoring for GUI and away from command prompts. So my recommendation is to store ISOs in stereo and multichannel directories if its a big deal (and as I said, JRiver will identify them if you don't know your library well enough).
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Dave, sorry...yes that is correct. I mentioned that I first check my ISOs in JRiver (simple view where "filetype is SACD", which is what JRiver calls SACD-ISOs, and then "channels greater than or equal to 3"). Your script is great, thanks, but worried it will not be used by those that were clamoring for GUI and away from command prompts. So my recommendation is to store ISOs in stereo and multichannel directories if its a big deal (and as I said, JRiver will identify them if you don't know your library well enough).
Yes, I know. My problem is that I first only had a 2-channel DAC, so I extracted *all* of my ISO's as 2-channel. Now that I'm interested in multichannel, going into my saved directory of 1600+ ISO's and wanting only the multichannel ones for extraction proved a difficult proposition. The script was my solution to the problem. Going forward, as I acquire new SACD's, I am extracting both 2-channel and multichannel versions of it on a case-by-case basis, which isn't onerous at all. The script simply helped me with my *backlog* of all-ready extracted 2-channel ISO's ;)
As I mentioned in the post, I wasn't sure if the script would help anyone else out in the same situation as I was, but I wanted to contribute it to the community just in case anyone else was in the same predicament as I was.
As an aside, I want to thank you personally, Ted, for all the great help/assistance you've been to the community in regards to hi-def digital playback/JRiver/SACD-ripping. You're awesome!
Kind regards,
Dave
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Thank you for the assistance and have downloaded a copy of the SACD-ripper primer 4.0.
New Member requesting for assistance.
I am new to this forum and currently stationed in Hong Kong. Recently I have purchased a fat PS3 (CHCHE12) with CFW 3.55 (also saw it came with Multiman in the game section) with the objective for ripping my close to 100 pcs of SACD collection into ISO as backup as well as into DSD file to play in my AK120. While still reading the longs treads on the PS3 SACD ripping, will appreciate if you can send me a copy of your latest guide as well download links to the compiled 3.55 OtherOS++ firmware, latest sacd-ripper.pkg and PS3 keys. It will be excellent if you have a Dropbox link that I can download all these files in one go. Thanks you and appreciate all the assistance that you can provide…..Tony21/7
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I just registered to say a BIG thanks to Ted and all the other clever people who made SACD ripping possible - thank you :D
I recently bought a suitable PS3 and have ripped about 35 SACDs with 70 or so remaining. I've been unable to rip the following SACDs however, and wonder whether anyone else has encountered the same.
Bottleneck John - All Around Man
Eagles - Hotel California
Donald Fagen - The Nightfly
The Pentangle - The Pentangle
10cc - The Original Soundtrack
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Mmm, no replies, perhaps I asked the wrong question. I'll try again; has anyone been able to rip the these SACDs? :)
Bottleneck John - All Around Man (Opus 3)
Eagles - Hotel California (Japan)
Donald Fagen - The Nightfly (Japan)
The Pentangle - The Pentangle (SHM)
10cc - The Original Soundtrack (SHM)
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I have 4 of those and all ripped fine. Define "won't rip". What happens?
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The SHM SACDs don't do the countdown where there show you the percentage ripped in mine. However, they rip fine. I just let it go for 45 minutes (longer than usual) and then just eject the disc and shut down the unit.
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Yes we now refer to that pita bug as a "blind rip". Requires a hard reboot, etc.
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I use a USB stick that flashes when it's writing data. When things freeze up on the screen, I can see if it's still going by looking at the USB flashing light. When it stops, I know it's done and I eject the disc and reboot the PS3.
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Yes thanks Tyson. I now have those instructions in the latest guide, since it crops up so often
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Thanks for the replies. When I try to rip those discs, the PS3 freezes, or it seems like it freezes, but perhaps as mentioned above, it's actually doing the rip without displaying the progress bars. I've previously soft-killed the PS3 at this point, but next time will let it run for 25 minutes or so to see if it rips the discs in the background as it were. I'll update the thread after giving it a go.
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I actually have a thumb drive that flashes and I'll have to try that method. I've just been leaving it in and waiting past when it would normally rip the disc image.
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Woohoo! It looks like leaving it to rip works as just I inserted the Eric Clapton SACD, 461 Ocean Boulevard (SHM) and although no progress bar displayed, I left it for about 25 minutes and when I popped the flash drive into my PC, the ISO and Log File were present. Thanks for solution guys :)
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Dear Ted
I'm willing to rip sacd via the old PS3 with the right firmware 3.55 but I would like to use the Jesus's GUI to achieve this easily.
Unfortunately the following link is leading to an 404 error message
http://www.sonore.us/apps2.html
Do you know how to get it
Thank you for your help
(And sorry for my English - I am French)
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Dear Ted
I'm willing to rip sacd via the old PS3 with the right firmware 3.55 but I would like to use the Jesus's GUI to achieve this easily.
Unfortunately the following link is leading to an 404 error message
http://www.sonore.us/apps2.html
Do you know how to get it
Thank you for your help
(And sorry for my English - I am French)
Try this link; I had it bookmarked :)
http://www.rendu.sonore.us/apps2.html
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Newie, First post. I have been follow up on the SACD Rip for over a year. and finally decide to pull it off.
Just order OFW 3.55 from ebay. lets see how that turn out. and will keep it posted. :thumb:
-Adrian
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Try this link; I had it bookmarked :)
http://www.rendu.sonore.us/apps2.html
Dear Windhoek
Thank you so much for your help. Your link is the right one. :thumb:
I'm so happy, cause it woks so easily.
How can I help somehow those who provide this very helpfull tool ?
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Tres bon Aura :D
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I meant to say a while ago Ted, it might be worth adding to the guide a genuine Sony PS3 controller is required to complete install of the software because afaik, only Sony PS3 controllers have a 'PS' button and it's not possible to complete installation without it.
The PS3 I bought didn't come supplied with a remote so I foolishly bought a 3rd party controller without a PS button (I don't think any 3rd party controllers have it) so wasted money and time needlessly.
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I was not aware that non-Sony controllers have no PS3 button. Weird as heck. Will check into this and document, thanks.
I few of us on Computer Audiophile are working through an exciting new way to rip ISOs. As many of you know, Mr Wicked's sacd_extract (any version) has a small bug that leaves DSF extraction with a small click in between tracks due to the final DSF data block being truncated. However, DFF extraction is not the answer because that format has no ability to be tagged, for example.
All sacd_extract versions have the DSF bug. It, the click, has been a difficult subject because, depending on DAC and playback software, it's audibility can range from none (inaudible) to headphone-barely-there to CLICK (audible and annoying, but not a "crack" or thud). On my systems only the Mytek would have a true CLICK allergy with it, (not Meitner, not Chord, not many others) but it was there nonetheless. I found it's low level of audibility so innocuous that I never saw it as a hurdle, and continued to push DSF due to its overwhelming advantage of metadata/tagging compatibility with ID3V2. DFF has no tag capability.
Also, these clicks have been confused with some DACs allergy to going from PCM to DSD (or back). THAT transition can cause a louder click or annoying CRACK in some systems.
Well.....now two great minds on CA (Miska, author of HQPlayer, and Peter Bogan, a smart developer in his own right) are getting together and creating a solution where you right click on an ISO in Windows Explorer, pick "ISO to DSF" and then the programs will first extract to DFF, then to DSF, thereby getting rid of the clicks and carrying the decent tags/metadata that the ISO has in it to the DSF files. I'm helping them work out issues. Miska's DFF2DSF converter is the engine, and Bogi (CA user name) is adding the user friendly packaging and Windows Explorer context issues.
I will introduce the solution here once we have the bugs worked out. Currently the tags end up in a text file (and cue file if needed) which then requires a stop at MP3TAG. They are working on doing that right in the process.
The final solution will be documented in the next update to my Guide, too.
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Windhoek, I cannot find a 3rd party PS3 controller that does not have a PS/home button (have 2 here, and looked online as well). Which one did you buy?
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I can't recall Ted, but I remember it had a faux PS button, but it didn't execute the command. I'll have a look at the guide later and see when this issue cropped up. I might have been unlucky with the one I bought, but I'm sure all the non-Sony controllers I looked at didn't have a real PS button.
EDIT: I had a look at the guide and I'm pretty sure I encountered problems with the unofficial controller when hacking the PS3. It might well be I just had a duff controller, but I reckon (with very limited evidence) the hack can't be done with an unofficial controllers. I'm more than happy for this not to be the case however :)
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Ted, that's great news. I did have a question about something I've noticed, though. Are there known circumstances where the rip progress bar will not display during a rip? Sometimes I'll start a rip and the PS3 display will remain on the initial SACD ID page, but most times it will transition to the progress bar display as it should. Any thoughts on why this might happen?
Duh! I see Windhoek mentioned the exact same thing at the top of this page. :duh:
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Yes, we call that bug a "blind rip". Just let it rip, watch the light on the USB thumb drive and wait till it stops (about 20 min on average). Rip should be fine. Then power down the PS3 by holding power button or unplugging.
Another (unrelated) tip: if after a rip finishes and you eject then your X button does not give you "insert SACD, etc" hit the PS3 button, then back button (red O) then X again. Should work this time.
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Thanks Ted. Currently waiting for the blinkie to stop. :thumb:
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This is the newest, most ready-for-prime-time version of ISO2DSF v1.2.1 containing the following changes against (beta) v1.2.0:
- corrected support for double quotes in album and track titles and performers
- added support for ID3v2 frames: DATE, GENRE, ISRC (if found in SACD ISO metadata)
- added Catalog Number as COMMENT ID3v2 frame (if found in SACD ISO metadata)
Download: https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1IZPbDClIn6SWxTXzQxYlBhQ2M
Download and read the PDF first. You'll need to download Miska's DFF2DSF and the sacd_extract and put in same folder.
This is the solution that does ISO to DFF to DSF (and puts ISO-generated tags in DSF automatically). It solves the clicks issue, and allows for right-click-on-ISO context sensitive Windows Explorer capability. Thanks to Paul Bogan, Miska and Mr Wicked (of course).
I will add this, to go along with Jesus's great GUI extraction tools, to the next update of the guide.
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Thanks Ted. The link is not working though. Still, I look forward to checking this out and thanks to all involved.
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Thanks Ted. The link is not working though. Still, I look forward to checking this out and thanks to all involved.
Fixed, sorry, thanks.
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Ted, I followed the instructions, installed everything, and used the new ISO2DSD on one of my previously ripped ISO files. I compared it to the DSF conversion I did with the previous version of ISO2DSD and sacd_extract. I still hear a very slight "tick" at the start of each track, no different between versions - although on my system it's always been very very slight.
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Hmm, one other odd thing, having nothing to do with the updated version of software. My PS3 refuses to recognize one of my hybrid SCAD discs as being SACD. It's a Multichannel SCAD Sampler made in Germany in 2001. It has the SACD logo and the sticker that says it will play in all CD and SACD players, but when I pop it into the PS3 it does not recognize it as SACD.
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Try this link; I had it bookmarked :)
http://www.rendu.sonore.us/apps2.html
Hello,
unfortunately, this links doesn't work anymore...
It's strange because this one works fine : http://www.rendu.sonore.us/software.html
But none of the 3 links inside this page works...
Does anyone know if the location has changed ?
edit : foud it here : http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129913.msg1373112#new
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It is here - http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129913.0
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Just tried it (already downloaded it previously and unzipped the files) and the zip file comes right up in the link in my previous post. I used it for the first time yesterday extracting B, S & T 'Child is Father to the Man' (although have not listened to the DSD file yet).
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Hi Ted,
Nothing yet. I would not hold my breath. Instead pay the $100 and have it done via hardware.
I have recently acquired a PS3 - CECHA..., but running 4.66 for the firmware.
How and where do you get the hardware to allow jailbreak and downgrading to 3.55 firmware?
Regards, Lou
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try Jason at northeastohiopcs. He frequents this forum.
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Great, Jason has already replied to my request...Thanks..
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Hi
Just wanted to say I'm glad I found this forum. There is some great info here. I'll be obtaining a DSD DAC soon, and I want to rip my 70 or so SACD's so I can play them from my PC. I already use JRiver and have a lot of spare disk space.
I think I might have found a compatible PS3. It is a CECHE01 with an already jailbroken CFW - Rogero 4.50, but if I understand correctly, I should be able to downgrade this to a 3.55 O/S. Not 100% sure what 3.55 O/S I require, but I'll reread some of the posts on here and do a little more investigation.
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Can I install the SACD-ripper software onto Rogero 3.55?
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Over the last month or two, I've came across three SACDs that won't rip (probably about 3 fails in 150 rips). I don't recall details of the first two, but the one that wouldn't rip today is Bruckner's 7th by the Berlin PO/ Gunter Wand. Below is a link to it @ sa-cd.net for more info.
http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/4196
Fwiw, all of the discs that have failed to rip were brand new, so I'm now concerned my PS3 is nearing the end of its life. I wonder though, has anyone else ever had failed rips? Oh, and when the discs are inserted, the OSD reads something like disc not recognised as an SACD and the PS3 freezes and doesn't respond until after a soft-kill reboot. Somewhat bizarrely, I tried to rip another SACD later on and I'm pleased to say it was successful (I then tried the first disc, but still nothing), so the PS3's still working, but so far, just not with those three discs.
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Over the last month or two, I've came across three SACDs that won't rip (probably about 3 fails in 150 rips). I don't recall details of the first two, but the one that wouldn't rip today is Bruckner's 7th by the Berlin PO/ Gunter Wand. Below is a link to it @ sa-cd.net for more info.
http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/4196
Fwiw, all of the discs that have failed to rip were brand new, so I'm now concerned my PS3 is nearing the end of its life. I wonder though, has anyone else ever had failed rips? Oh, and when the discs are inserted, the OSD reads something like disc not recognised as an SACD and the PS3 freezes and doesn't respond until after a soft-kill reboot. Somewhat bizarrely, I tried to rip another SACD later on and I'm pleased to say it was successful (I then tried the first disc, but still nothing), so the PS3's still working, but so far, just not with those three discs.
I just looked - don't have that version of Bruckner's 7th (have others) but I remember having a problem with Getz Gilberto (but it was a long time ago).
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Thanks Phil, it looks like there's gremlins on some SACDs rather than ISO images !
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I have Wand's 8th ripped, but don't have his 7th. I have all the Get/Gibertos ripped (Verve, etc).
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I have Wand's 8th ripped, but don't have his 7th. I have all the Get/Gibertos ripped (Verve, etc).
Do you not have the 7th because you don't have the disc or because your disc also failed to rip?
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From memory I may have also had a problem with an Anne-Sophie Mutter (Beethoven) disc too. But again it was a long time ago.
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Do you not have the 7th because you don't have the disc or because your disc also failed to rip?
Don't own the disc. I have only two discs that have never ripped (of the over 2k I have ripped) and those were my first copy of RCA Living Stereo Munch's Saint-Saens Symph 3 (I think it was mislabeled, all the way to the disc label). My later copy was fine. The other is Julia Fischer (Pentatone) Russian Violin Concertos. Weird, huh. I also think it is mislabeled.
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thanks Ted, it looks like there's just some discs that won't rip and that's that. The upside however, is it looks like it's nothing to do with my PS3, so hopefully there's life in it yet :)
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I think my PS3's in trouble because it failed to eject a disc earlier and although I followed a YouTube video on how to do it manually (by taking the hood off etc), it no longer loads discs properly. It can take a disc in and eject it, but it just doesn't engage the part that makes the PS3 read the disc. These PS3s are old and fragile and it looks like today's the day mine realised that!
If I can't get it going, I might try to find a replacement BD drive and simply swap drives because it turns out opening up a PS3 to access the BD drive is easy, but if neither of those options are achievable, I'm back to square one, damn! :)
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Or jump in Mr Wicked's new fund raiser to build an external USB BD drive that rips SACDs. $250.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/funding-making-sacd-ripping-available-through-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-22124/
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Or jump in Mr Wicked's new fund raiser to build an external USB BD drive that rips SACDs. $250.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/funding-making-sacd-ripping-available-through-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-22124/
thanks Ted, I didn't know such a project was underway. I'll have another bash at getting the drive to work and take it from there :)
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Or jump in Mr Wicked's new fund raiser to build an external USB BD drive that rips SACDs. $250.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/funding-making-sacd-ripping-available-through-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-22124/
Very nice. Me and a friend were talking about the possibilities of a similar project.
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Very nice. Me and a friend were talking about the possibilities of a similar project.
You'd need his keys and code, though.
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My PS3 has risen, woohooo !!!
After about 3 hours of head scratching, video watching, trial and error and a few expletives, I finally fixed my PS3. The first video I watched showed how to remove a disc from a YLOD PS3, so I mistakenly assumed the optical drive's mechanics would work after simple reassembly, but they didn't. It's only when I watched another video showing how to un-jam a jammed optical drive I discovered a big white cog has to be removed and reinserted that I got it going again and I've since ripped another disc, so it definitely works and fwiw, I was always confident the issue was mechanical because through all my attemps to get it going, the PS3 booted up and could launch the SACD ripper every time .
If nothing else, I now know how to access and un-jam my PS3s optical (which I can do and reassemble in under 10 minutes, believe I had a lot of practice!), so maybe that's the silver lining :)
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Hello all,
I'm new to this forum but have really appreciated reading through all of the background on how to backup SACDs! I have 100 or so SACDs that I would love to backup and load into JRiver to stream DSFs to my DAC.
I have a PS3 model CECHA01 that I've had since new but it's now running firmware 4.50. From what I've gathered there's not an easy way to return it to 3.55 - is that correct? If not, any recommendations on where I can buy a good condition unit running 3.55 (I would prefer one that's loaded and ready to go)? I live in Orange County CA and can pay local or through PayPal.
Best regards,
Tony
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116989)
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It is possible now to roll back the firmware. You may be able to find someone in your area that provides this service. I would say try that first as the cost should be about $50-100. No need to find another unit if you go that route.
A quick google search led me to this. I have no idea as to their reliability but just showing you some options.
http://www.orangecountysuperads.com/electronics_For_Sale/C513A825249P1/Xbox_360_PS3_Repairs_and_Mods___JTAG___CFW_PS3.aspx
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It is possible now to roll back the firmware. You may be able to find someone in your area that provides this service. I would say try that first as the cost should be about $50-100. No need to find another unit if you go that route.
A quick google search led me to this. I have no idea as to their reliability but just showing you some options.
http://www.orangecountysuperads.com/electronics_For_Sale/C513A825249P1/Xbox_360_PS3_Repairs_and_Mods___JTAG___CFW_PS3.aspx
Oh, that's a great idea. Okay, I'll look into this local service option. Thanks for the lead!
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Oh, that's a great idea. Okay, I'll look into this local service option. Thanks for the lead!
You're welcome and I hope it works out for you. Please let us know how it works out.
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Hello all,
I'm new to this forum but have really appreciated reading through all of the background on how to backup SACDs! I have 100 or so SACDs that I would love to backup and load into JRiver to stream DSFs to my DAC.
I have a PS3 model CECHA01 that I've had since new but it's now running firmware 4.50. From what I've gathered there's not an easy way to return it to 3.55 - is that correct? If not, any recommendations on where I can buy a good condition unit running 3.55 (I would prefer one that's loaded and ready to go)? I live in Orange County CA and can pay local or through PayPal.
Best regards,
Tony
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116989)
I was able to find a local person who rolled my PS3 firmware back to 3.55 (he charged $70) and I just backed up my first SACD. Thanks Ted_B and all on this forum for the direction!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117485)
Here's Mike's info if others in the SoCal area are in need of PS3 work. He is very helpful and was done in a few hours - highly recommended!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117486)
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That's great that they've now found a way to do a rollback.
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Hi all
I rip PS3 to PC over the network using sacd extract 0.37
First thing I do is start the PS3, launch the ripper app in server mode and load the SACD. When I try to launch the extraction process from the PC, sacd_extract on the PC aborts.
After several rounds of exiting the ripper app and ejecting and reloading the SACD, the sacd_extract on the PC then usually finds the PS3 and from there on flawlessly transfers the rips from the PS3.
Is this a knows phenomenon and has someone found a sure fire way to make the extraction via network work at the first try?
Thanks a lot
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Hello from a newbie,
My ps3 is not showing "install pkg file". I have installed OtherOs, and it appeared to install without problems. System shows 3.55.
Don't know if this is the proper place for my question.
Regards
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Solved! Found the 'what to do if you are already on stock version. Install OtherOs in safe mode.
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Newbie here. Noticed lack of posts since May. Hope I'm not too late. Can't seem to find downloads. Link to Ted's public drop box doesn't work. Can someone PM me the info I need to get started?
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Another newbie here going through the guide, and I did have to ask, what happened to section 4a (ripping using server mode)?
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Yet another newbie question - if my machine is already on 3.55 do I need to do anything other than install the ps3 keys and sacd_ripper program? i.e. I go straight to Section 3 of Ted's guide, or do I need to do the safe mode install?
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Yet another newbie question - if my machine is already on 3.55 do I need to do anything other than install the ps3 keys and sacd_ripper program? i.e. I go straight to Section 3 of Ted's guide, or do I need to do the safe mode install?
You still need to get to OtherOS 3.55. Try the standard steps below, and if it doesn't work go to recovery menu mode as documented.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sacd-ripper/sacd-ripper/master/readme
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UPDATE:
It was a case of RTFM. In the recovery menu I tried to move the cursor with the left joystick and that does not seem to work. When I used the four arrows to the left of the joystick, I was able to select system update and install OTHEROS++.
****************************** Problem solved ***********************************************
hi guys,
My PS3 was killed in an attempt to replace the CPU thermal paste. Now I have a found a replacement CECHC04 OFW3.55. So far so good.
However when I try to install CFW355-OTHEROS++ the PS3 will not accept the new OS. It does two things:
- If I upgrade via system update on the main PS3 screen, the new OS is recognized and copied to the harddrive. The machine reboots and then tells me that no update is needed
- If I go into recovery mode, all options except system restart are grayed out and I cannot go to system update
I have done a factory reset and run through the inital setup.
Does anybody have a clue what the issue could be.
Thanks a lot
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I was able to find a local person who rolled my PS3 firmware back to 3.55 (he charged $70) and I just backed up my first SACD. Thanks Ted_B and all on this forum for the direction!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117485)
Here's Mike's info if others in the SoCal area are in need of PS3 work. He is very helpful and was done in a few hours - highly recommended!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=117486)
Mike just setup a PS3 for backing up my SACD...way worth paying to have it done (he also got me the PS3 too, apparently there is a hardware way to roll back the firmware.)
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Hello:
Noob here also--- I was able to install Other OS and the SACD Ripper pkg (v.37), but when I try to start the SACD Ripper program from the Games menu, it keeps asking for the PS3 keys, and to make sure they are in the root directory of the install USB stick (which they are).
Can anyone give me a clue what I might be doing wrong?
TIA,
gregor
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OK, I found the problem. I had the PS3 keys in the folder they came in with the download [ps3free-ps3keys]. On a hunch, I dragged all those individual files out of that folder and into the root directory of the USB drive, it it worked. I don't know if the primer was unclear, or I'm just dumb.
Anyway, got it to work.
gregor
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OK, I'm officially stumped. My PS3 is not able to jump on the network (a bad bluetooth/wireless card, I think).
So, I ran SACD Ripper V.37) in the non-host mode. Once the SACD is done ripping, I removed the USB Flash drive, and the only contents on the drive is the SACD log. No ISO file to be found. Is it necessary to tell SACD Ripper where to direct the output for the resulting ISO file??
Any suggestions/insights are most welcome!
gregor
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Is the flash drive formatted for Fat32? And yes,. the first question that comes up when starting the ripper is something like "network daemon yes or no".
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Yes, the drive is formatted FAT32, and the sacd_log is the only thing that shows up after the ripping is done. Using a 32Gb flash drive. When running SACD Ripper, it gives you a choice of X to start ripping, or "O" to change output. I can see area 0 on the SACD is 2 channel, and area 1 is 5.1 channel, but nothing I press seems to change anything, but pressing "X" does start the ripping process.
Can SACD Ripper save the file to another location??
TIA
gregor
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If you have access try a smaller drive to test. A few folks have reported issues with 32 and 64GB drives.
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Shazam! Who would'a thunk it? I knew that 64Gb drives and up were problematic, but never had any difficulty with 32Gb flash drives in any application. So thanks for the hint.
gregor
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Sorry this is a little off-topic, but is there a way to play the DSD stream through the USB port? I have a USB DAC that can play DSD and would love to use this as a direct input to it.
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Sorry this is a little off-topic, but is there a way to play the DSD stream through the USB port? I have a USB DAC that can play DSD and would love to use this as a direct input to it.
Through the PS3 USB port? No.
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Only through HDMI to a SONY - Compatible receiver/DAC/etc.?
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Only through HDMI to a SONY - Compatible receiver/DAC/etc.?
This site should help:
http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html
and this one give general audio set-up and indicates the audio output instructions:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/audiomulti.html
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/audiooutput.html
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Is any particular model of the SACD ripping capable PS3 less prone to over heating than another?
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Is any particular model of the SACD ripping capable PS3 less prone to over heating than another?
I'm only used to the CECHA, but I've ripped thousands of SACDs over the past five years and make sure I don't try to do too many in one session (maybe 10). My PS3 has plenty of air space (and now it's on top of a rack/bookcase so plenty of air). There are fan mods folks have done, too.
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Ted:
I'm reading from your Ripping Guide Ver 4.0 (2-25-14).
I'm presently using a USB stick to move ISO files to my Mac to convert to DSD with the Sonore iso2dsd program.
I wanted to try to use the networking and use the SACD Ripper server mode. The guide gives instructions on how to run it on the PC, but not for the MAC.
Any tips? I know enough about networking to be dangerous, but that's about it.
thanks in advance,
strafer
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Um, I just noticed the Server Input on the ISO2DSD program, and inserted the ip address and port of the PS3.
I get this failure message:
failed to connect
libsacdread: can't open 192.168.1.032 for reading.
Funny, because I got it to work on the PC.
regards,
strafer
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Does someone have the current instructions for updating the firmware on a PS3 for allow for ripping? My unit is already on 3.55 so it doesn't want to upgrade. The guide says to read lines 43 - 60 but the link to those lines is broken.
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Does someone have the current instructions for updating the firmware on a PS3 for allow for ripping? My unit is already on 3.55 so it doesn't want to upgrade. The guide says to read lines 43 - 60 but the link to those lines is broken.
From the broken link:
If the steps above did not work for you, then you are probably on 3.55 already.
You will have to do a recovery menu mode installation:
1: Plug a USB stick into your computer
2: Create a folder in the root of the USB stick called PS3
3: Create a folder inside the PS3 folder called UPDATE
4: Download the 3.55 OtherOS++ firmware (Gitbrew.org)
5: Move PS3UPDAT.PUP to the directory UPDATE that you just created on the USB stick
6: Plug the USB stick into your PS3
7: Power down the PS3 through the menu
8: Now press and HOLD the power button, the system will startup and shutdown again
9: Release the power button, then press & HOLD power again, you’ll hear one beep
followed by two consecutive beeps
10: Release power then follow the on-screen instructions. YouÂ’re now in the recovery menu
11: Connect the USB device and select "System Update"
12: Accept Conditions and Follow the instructions
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Thanks Ted. The PS3 that I was using now freezes so I needed to buy another. The new one is already on 3.55 so it doesn't want to upgrade to the OtherOS++ version.
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Did you try the recovery mode instructions? What is the new PS3 model number?
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I am trying the recovery now. I think it is working. I will report back shortly.
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All good. Extracting The Quintet - Jazz at Massey Hall now.
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Hi,
I am ripping my lot of SACDs to a computer file (two transports have gone bad to date). I purchased a 3.55 unit and loaded the software and was doing well until yesterday. At first a few discs would not be recognized, now no SACD is recognized when inserted with the ripper program running. I reloaded all the software and had no improvement. The unit does recognize and play SACDs in player mode, but still only just a error message "no disc inserted or no SACD present" message when trying to rip discs. What should I do next? Thanks for the help.
Lawton
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Ripping SACDs with a PS3 - is this still a thing? I ask because I'm thinking about selling mine, along with a stack of SACDs.
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Ripping SACDs with a PS3 - is this still a thing? I ask because I'm thinking about selling mine, along with a stack of SACDs.
I still use my PS3. I guess due to the fact that certain players with the Mediatek chip (e.g. Oppo 103) can supposedly now do it too (and I have a couple of 103Ds but have not tried it), it is not as rare as it was a few years back.
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I still use my PS3. I guess due to the fact that certain players with the Mediatek chip (e.g. Oppo 103) can supposedly now do it too (and I have a couple of 103Ds but have not tried it), it is not as rare as it was a few years back.
I figured new methods for ripping would become available. Thanks for the input.
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I figured new methods for ripping would become available. Thanks for the input.
I have not followed it that closely but bookmarked the page just in case the PS3 becomes unusable - https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/
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I've got a few questions regarding ripping SACDs via the OPPO method. Please forgive me if the answers are out there on the web; I did have a good look but there's so much information, it's somewhat overwhelming.
When ripping raw ISO files (over Server Input with ISO2DSD), should the DST box be checked, or should it only be checked when converting an ISO file to DSF/DFF? And, should Dual or Multi be selected when ripping raw ISO, or does that not matter?
With regards to the clicking that occurs during playback between tracks converted from ISO file to DSF (using ISO2DSD), I've read that sacd extract version 0.3.8 should prevent such clicks from happening. What version of sacd extract is used by ISO2DSD? If it's not 0.3.8, how to I get that?
Thanks in advance.
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I think I may have found the answer to my second question and the answer as to why clicks appear between tracks during playback of DSF files. Most of my SACDs were ripped by my PS3, which used sacd-extract v37 whereas ***I think*** sacd extract v38 is used by ISO2DSD, the method of ripping for OPPO.
I'd still like to know the answer to my questions regarding DST and Dual/Multi prior to ripping an ISO image, but at least I can find out if SACDs ripped on my OPPO then converted from ISO to DSF play without clicks. If they do, then ISO2DSD must use sacd-extract v38. I'll let you know how it goes.
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I re-ripped Dark Side of the Moon to test whether my thoughts on the sacd_extract tool might have something to do with it, but I'm not sure it does as the clicks are still notably present during DSF playback and whisper-quiet present during DFF playback.
From what I can gather, sacd-extract v38 is included with Version 7 of ISO2DSD, so I'm stumped as to why the clicks are present as v38 was supposed to have sorted the issue. Fwiw, I didn't check the DST box prior to creating an ISO, but I did check DST prior to creating DSF and DFF files. The only thing I I've yet to try is to check DST prior to ripping an ISO and leaving it checked prior to subsequent conversion from ISO to DSF and DFF, but if that doesn't work, I've no idea what will.
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I ripped Dark Side of the Moon again with the DST box checked and left it checked for subsequent conversion to DSF and DFF, but the clicks remain. What else can I try to get clickless playback of DSF and/ or DFF on my Fire TV running Kodi?
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I tried converting DSF to DFF this morning using Bogi's conversion tool, but the clicks remained. Unless someone can figure this out, it looks like DFF playback with minor, barely audible clicks is as good as it gets for DSD playback on Fire TV via Kodi.
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Hi,
I have a used Sony PS3 CECHA01/60GB with CFW 3.55 installed for sale. Has had new thermal paste installed. Plays SACDs without a problem. I have used it only for SACDs. I have never used this for games so cannot attest to its functioning at that level. I am selling because I do not need it any more. Asking 120 dollars. Price includes shipping to continental US and paypal fees. Also includes a non-Sony wired controller.
Sold as is without warranty.
Let me know if you are interested. It can also be found on the usaudiomart website. http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649375010-sony-ps3-playstation-with-cfw-355-installed-plays-sacds/
Best Regards,
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167515)
Lawton
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Hello everybody
How to introduce myself... i am just a uncle, living in paris france (sorry for my bad english) , who loves good quality music and has a collection of SACD records (around 150).
I offered my nephews a PS3 in 2007
As today they are older and interested in more recent models, they gave me back the console by telling me that there was a possibility to digitize the discs with this PS3, "just do it yourself Tonton, you just need to read some tutorials and find right web sites"...
So I read, I read...
I am very happy to have discovered this forum, topic: 'SACD ripping using a PS3' on AudioCircle website.I am aware of all the efforts and all the work that this represents.I thank the participants of this forum and especially the specialists for their explanations.
As I'm far from being an expert, your help would be really useful.
But I know, It seems I am very late, several years late (too late ?) and may be that subject is now obsolete in 2017 and each SACD owner may have already saved his/her collection of records.?
The current situation:
My old PS3, CECHC03 series, was in CFW version 3.55 Rebug and cleaned all the games. But in this configuration when I try to play a SACD that I saw in the PS3 music menu as a CD, SACD 2 CH and SACD Multi, I get an error for each track regardless of the disc.
When I reinstall the original software Sony OFW 3.55 everything works again and I can play and listen all my SACDs.
So it's a return to the beginning
Today most of the links listed on specialized websites are too old (2011-2014), and they all seem broken. What would help me is to get links still valid today for:
1- the firmware PS3 cfw 3.55 known to work
2- the sac-ripper.pkg and the keys if they are still required.
3- the last sacd_extract_0.3.xx for windows (10?)
Do not hesitate if it is possible to send me directly by email those software that work on your installation.
Thank you in advance for all the help and support you could give me
Jacques
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Hello everyone.
Great site and a lot of knowledge on here.
I'm a bit late to the game with this SACD ripping. I do have a suitable PS3 but can't seem to find a current link to
1. The required 3.55 firmware for the PS3 OR
2. The sac-ripper.pkg (& keys etc).
I've read Ted's guide & that's great, but if somebody could help with where it's possible to get the downloads that would be appreciated.
Many thanks.
CM
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Hello everyone.
Great site and a lot of knowledge on here.
Excellent! I had a working PS3 3.55 that would rip SACDs and then, after a recent power outage, it no longer works - the ripper package is gone.
So I went to find the components, I found the 3.55 firmware ( REBUG_3.55.4_REX_PS3UPDAT.PUP ) and the ripper package ( sacd-ripper.pkg.888.v0.36_brewology_com.pkg )
But what I can not find, and I am hoping someone can help me, is the PS3 "keys".
If someone PMs me I can send them a link to the above firmware & package on my personal dropbox.
Thanks in advance for any help with the "keys". :thumb:
Happy Holidays!
Steve
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Excellent! I had a working PS3 3.55 that would rip SACDs and then, after a recent power outage, it no longer works - the ripper package is gone.
So I went to find the components, I found the 3.55 firmware ( REBUG_3.55.4_REX_PS3UPDAT.PUP ) and the ripper package ( sacd-ripper.pkg.888.v0.36_brewology_com.pkg )
But what I can not find, and I am hoping someone can help me, is the PS3 "keys".
If someone PMs me I can send them a link to the above firmware & package on my personal dropbox.
Thanks in advance for any help with the "keys". :thumb:
Happy Holidays!
Steve
Hi
Things moved on a little. You are no longer tied to using System version 3.55 (I was using multiMAN version 4.82) & the SACD ripper package has been updated so that you no longer need to manually enter the 'keys' (was using ripper version 0.38).
Regards
CM
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Not sure - is this what you are looking for? https://newtoolbox.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/sacd-ripper-primer-v4-0.pdf