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Bryston - New Phono Products
« on: 8 Oct 2015, 07:10 pm »
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston 1/3rd Size Phono Products


October, 2015

Hi Folks,

Please see below the newest 1/3rd size ‘Phono Products’ we are introducing this month.

Projected USA List Prices



BMC-MM/MC Phono = $1,750.00
Moving-Magnet and Moving-Coil Phono Stage

BMM- MM Phono = $800.00
Moving-Magnet Phono Stage


PS-3 Power Supply = $1,000.00
Power Supply for BMC and BMM Phono Stages
         



TF-2 Transformer = $1,500.00
Moving-Coil Step-Up Transformer





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Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
« Reply #1 on: 8 Oct 2015, 08:58 pm »
Proclaiming my ignorance in advance:

- Does the TF-2 not require power?

- Is the SUT on board the BMC-MM the same as the stand alone TF-2?
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- If so, why is the price of the TF-2 almost as much as the BMC-MM?

BTW, I'm just curious and not complaining since I paid $600.00 for the on board MM in my BP26 which when combined with $1,500.00 for TF-2 is about $1,100.00 less than the BP 1.5 and Mike Pickett tells me the performance of the TF-2/BP26MM will be the same as a BP 1.5.


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« Reply #2 on: 9 Oct 2015, 12:01 am »
Proclaiming my ignorance in advance:

- Does the TF-2 not require power?

- Is the SUT on board the BMC-MM the same as the stand alone TF-2?
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- If so, why is the price of the TF-2 almost as much as the BMC-MM?

BTW, I'm just curious and not complaining since I paid $600.00 for the on board MM in my BP26 which when combined with $1,500.00 for TF-2 is about $1,100.00 less than the BP 1.5 and Mike Pickett tells me the performance of the TF-2/BP26MM will be the same as a BP 1.5.

Hi

1. No power supply the TF-2 is Passive

2. Yes

3. Quality MC transformers are very expensive compared to MM stages and the BMC MC incorporates the 2 stages in one chassis so cost savings there.

The MC Transformer section in the BP-26 preamp and BP 1.5  is a different MC transformer than the one in the new phono stages.

james

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« Reply #3 on: 9 Oct 2015, 03:01 am »
Thanks James!  Your answers make sense to me.  Can you clarify that if I pair the TF-2 with my BP26 internal MM section that the performance will be equal to or better than the BP 1.5?  I say better because if the TF-2 and BMC-MM internal SUT are different than the one used in the BP 1.5 and BP 26 MC I am assuming they are an upgrade.  You have always said that Bryston only enhances a product if there will be a noticeable improvement.  I'm looking at a tubed phono pre as an alternative but if I could achieve the performance of the BP 1.5 by adding the TF-2 it would almost be a no brainer to do so.

Thanks for enduring my annoying questions  :thumb:

Bill

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« Reply #4 on: 9 Oct 2015, 03:04 am »
Thanks James!  Your answers make sense to me.  Can you clarify that if I pair the TF-2 with my BP26 internal MM section that the performance will be equal to or better than the BP 1.5?  I say better because if the TF-2 and BMC-MM internal SUT are different than the one used in the BP 1.5 and BP 26 MC I am assuming they are an upgrade.  You have always said that Bryston only enhances a product if there will be a noticeable improvement.  I'm looking at a tubed phono pre as an alternative but if I could achieve the performance of the BP 1.5 by adding the TF-2 it would almost be a no brainer to do so.

Thanks for enduring my annoying questions  :thumb:

Bill

Hi Bill,

Yes the TF2 with the internal MM in the BP-26 will equal the performance of the BP-1.5.

james


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« Reply #5 on: 9 Oct 2015, 03:13 am »
Hi Bill,

Yes the TF2 with the internal MM in the BP-26 will equal the performance of the BP-1.5.

james

Great!  What is the GA date for the new phono components?

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« Reply #6 on: 9 Oct 2015, 03:14 am »
Great!  What is the GA date for the new phono components?

Hope within 4 weeks.

james


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« Reply #7 on: 10 Oct 2015, 10:46 am »
Hi James!

I have a couple of questions for you:

1. How does BMC compare to BP1.5?
2. Does BMC require an external power supply or is it built in?
3. Does BMC use discrete components in it's amplifier stage or ICs?
4. What kind of outputs does BMC have?
5. Does Bryston plan to make an A/D converter in the 1/3-size range?

Cheers!
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« Reply #8 on: 10 Oct 2015, 11:02 am »
Hi James!

I have a couple of questions for you:

1. How does BMC compare to BP1.5?
2. Does BMC require an external power supply or is it built in?
3. Does BMC use discrete components in it's amplifier stage or ICs?
4. What kind of outputs does BMC have?
5. Does Bryston plan to make an A/D converter in the 1/3-size range?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi

1. It would be close but the BMC uses a different MC section.
2. Yes you need a power supply - either the new PS 3 or an MPS-2
3. Discrete in the MM stage and a step-up transformer for the MC stage.
4. RCA..  In and Outs



5. Talked about but no immediate plans.

james


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« Reply #9 on: 10 Oct 2015, 11:08 am »
Hi

1. It would be close but the BMC uses a different MC section.
2. Yes you need a power supply - either the new PS 3 or an MPS-2
3. Discrete in the MM stage and a step-up transformer for the MC stage.
4. RCA..  In and Outs
5. Talked about but no immediate plans.

james

Thank you James!
Antun

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« Reply #10 on: 18 Oct 2015, 12:16 pm »
Hi James!

I have a question. If I bought a BP-26 preamp, could I buy a PS-3 to power it instead of the MPS-2?

PS-3 can power only one unit while NPS-2 can power four units but appart from that they can be used to power the same units, right?

Cheers!
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« Reply #11 on: 18 Oct 2015, 03:13 pm »
Hi James!

I have a question. If I bought a BP-26 preamp, could I buy a PS-3 to power it instead of the MPS-2?

PS-3 can power only one unit while NPS-2 can power four units but appart from that they can be used to power the same units, right?

Cheers!
Antun

Correct yes you can use either power supply.

james

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« Reply #12 on: 18 Oct 2015, 10:15 pm »
Correct yes you can use either power supply.

james

Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?


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« Reply #13 on: 18 Oct 2015, 11:47 pm »
Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?

Correct

james


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« Reply #14 on: 20 Oct 2015, 03:14 am »
Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?

Well, if a PS-3 can power a BP-26, it surely can power the BP-25 as well!?

Would it be an audible upgrade to an MPS-1? When I acquired my BP-25 Phono, it came with an BP-PSR and I upgraded to an MPS-1 later which I was able to source in Australia.

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« Reply #15 on: 20 Oct 2015, 10:15 am »
Well, if a PS-3 can power a BP-26, it surely can power the BP-25 as well!?

Would it be an audible upgrade to an MPS-1? When I acquired my BP-25 Phono, it came with an BP-PSR and I upgraded to an MPS-1 later which I was able to source in Australia.

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I would have to check on that to make sure - I believe the power connection cable is different on the BP25 vs the BP26 but I assume an adapter cable could work.

james

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« Reply #16 on: 22 Oct 2015, 05:20 pm »
Hi!

Which is a higher quality power supply for the BP-26? The MPS-2 or the new BP-3?

 Cheers!
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Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
« Reply #17 on: 9 Dec 2015, 09:22 pm »
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Moving-Coil Step-Up Transformer


December 2015

Most Moving-Magnet phono stages expect to receive a signal between 3-6 mV at their input from the cartridge.

A step-up Moving-Coil transformer is designed to accept the lower voltage output from the MC cartridge and increase the voltage to a point which is acceptable to the input stage of the standard MM phono section.
The Bryston TF-2 Moving-Coil step-up transformer is available in two versions...with a 20dB or a 30dB gain option.

Your choice on which unit is most appropriate will be determined by the voltage output of your chosen cartridge.

•   From .1 to .2 mV we would recommend the 30dB version

•   At .3 mV we would say either version would work fine

•   From .4 to .5 mV or more we would recommend the 20dB versio
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An important point to consider when choosing which Step-up to use is you do not want to over-power or under-power the MM phono stage.
Under-powering results in not having enough GAIN in the system and over-powering can result in voltage overload and the resultant distortion.


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Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
« Reply #18 on: 10 Dec 2015, 12:48 am »
Hi James,

I have a BP26MM.  Would the gain setting on the internal MM stage factor into the decision as to which TF-2 gain alternative you would deploy.  As I recall there is a 6 db differential in the two gain setting options.  If my factory setting is 35 db as opposed to 41 db and my Benz Micro Wood SL outputs .5 mv would the 20 db TF-2 still be in order?

Also, I don't recall what my setting is.  if I can't find it in my documentation can Bryston provide it with my serial number?

Thanks,

Bill

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« Reply #19 on: 10 Dec 2015, 11:34 am »
Hi James,

I have a BP26MM.  Would the gain setting on the internal MM stage factor into the decision as to which TF-2 gain alternative you would deploy.  As I recall there is a 6 db differential in the two gain setting options.  If my factory setting is 35 db as opposed to 41 db and my Benz Micro Wood SL outputs .5 mv would the 20 db TF-2 still be in order?

Also, I don't recall what my setting is.  if I can't find it in my documentation can Bryston provide it with my serial number?

Thanks,

Bill

Hi Bill

No the internal gain setting on the preamp would not enter into the decision.  You are concerned about over driving the input stage of your phono section not the output from the internal MM phono stage.

The Bryston MM phono section can handle up to 10 mV of input before overload.

james

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