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Title: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 04:14 am
Dear All,

If you are into Mountain Biking, I am sure you have riden your bike off-road and into the woods.  :D If you haven't done off-roading, there is peace and tranquility that can be found away from hustle and bustle of the City.  No cars to intidimidate you.  It is you and the nature! 

There are lots of single-track trails in or around the city.  Some of which are right in our neighborhood!  A few examples that I know, you can share your favorite trails here. 

High Bridge Park Trail (Inwood Manhattan)
Wolfe's Poind Park Trail (Staten Island, NY)
North Woods Mountain Bike Trails (Cunningham park, Queens, NY)
Calverton Moutain Bike Trail (Calverton, NY)
Eastport Mountain Bike Trail (Eastport, NY)
Rocky Point Mountian Bike Trails (Near Port Jeffereson, NY)
Cathedral Pines Mountian Bike Trail (Middle Island, NY)
Stillwell Woods Preserve (Syosset, NY)
Bethpage State Park (L.I., NY)

When you are riding always think safety at all times.  Use common sense.  Wear Helmets and eye protection.

A few organizations that I know, you can add more if you wish.
www.climbonline.org C.L.I.M.B. (Concerned Long Island Mountain Bicyclists)
www.NYCMTB.com NYCMTB (New York City Mountain Bike Association)

Cheers,
--Levi
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 19 Aug 2009, 04:44 am
Here's a site Levi....trails.com ....mountain biking in NY...

http://www.trails.com/stateactivity.aspx?area=10103

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 04:57 am
Thanks for the link Chris.  :thumb:

I am not sure if you have been to the City lately.  The City has become more bicycle friendly.  I still preferred riding on the trails. :)

Riding with the wind. (http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/ban-llama.gif)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 19 Aug 2009, 05:02 am
Quote
I am not sure if you have been to the City lately.  The City has become more bicycle friendly.

That's good to hear Levi....not like this community.... :o

(http://pampelmoose.com/mimg/cars_cyclists.jpg)

Better to stay off the road.... :wink:

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 05:10 am
That is what I am trying to avoid. :)  I had to jump curves sometimes just to avoid cars while riding on-road.  One can get a ticket for riding on sidewalks so I don't do it often. :lol:  People tend to get annoyed and spooked when you ride by them.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: topround on 19 Aug 2009, 09:22 am
I've ridden on a few of the trails above.
Also there is nice trail at Mohonk mounatin house, and also Minnewaska, although you have to pay to ride at Mohonk, but worth it.
Lots of hills though, but gorgeous.
I would like to take in a ride with you Levi, although I am very out of shape.
And there is a lot of dust on my bike :icon_lol:

Mike
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 10:56 am
Hi Mike, I have been to Mohonk but not with a Bike.  We just hiked so I know exactly what you are talking about.  Definitely, this is the reason to revive the old Bike thing is to get in shape.  I am sure sonic Phil will be joining us pretty soon! ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 01:37 pm
I'm in!  :thumb:

This place is supposedly pretty good (out near topround, I think!)

Ringwood State Park (NJ)
http://www.trails.com/tcatalog_trail.aspx?trailid=BGN100-023

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 19 Aug 2009, 01:54 pm
Well, have a good time, Levi, Phil, and Mike!
I have hiked up by the Mohonk mountain house, and it is beautiful!
As for me, I am starting the first day of a new year of teaching third grade. Meetings till noon,
and parent conferences from 3 to 7, today and tomorrow.  Will miss the free concert of Oberkfell?
tomorrow night.
Levi, I promise to either post to you,  or put up a gallery of all my bikes soon.  I would say it is about as bad as Wild Wes' camera collection. :D
Lyndon
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 02:28 pm
Sounds good guys   
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: shadowlight on 19 Aug 2009, 02:43 pm
Would like to join but I am out of shape so slow and easy is the best I can do  :duh:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 03:10 pm
I think Phil and Lyndon are the only one in shape here.  Lyndon is in Salt Lake so he can't join us. ;)  Definitely it will be slow and easy.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 19 Aug 2009, 03:57 pm
Quote
I am not sure if you have been to the City lately.  The City has become more bicycle friendly.

That's good to hear Levi....not like this community.... :o

(http://pampelmoose.com/mimg/cars_cyclists.jpg)

Better to stay off the road.... :wink:

Hey!

   I remembered watching the news about that. I think it was in Mexico... scary  :(

    True that NYC now is more bicycle friendly. Or at least it is trying to be. But those new bike paths are nothing but a little space of about 1 meter wide taken from normal street with just white line painted. Basically this make the street smaller.

    Honestly I don't like to ride my bike on the street of NYC it could be nerve reckon sometime. I don't know how those bike messengers could do that all day long everyday  :o

   The other thing is that parking is a problem in NYC. Sure you could lock you bike on the provided bike racks around the city. But there is a good chance that your bike will be stolen in 60sec especially when you have a good bike.  :evil:

   It had been awhile since I took my bike (road bike actually  :icon_lol: ) out for a ride in the city. Usually I got tried from work and too lazy to go out on my day off  :duh:

   Anyway, Levi... when are you going to show everyone your new toy?  aa

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

   

   
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: mcullinan on 19 Aug 2009, 04:14 pm
Its a death wish. Death Wish 4, that was a good one.
Mike
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 19 Aug 2009, 04:26 pm
When I lived in Mahnattan I would take my road bike (Litespeed) into Central Park on the weekends.  Closed to traffic so the wide roads are strictly bikers, bladers, walkers, joggers, etc.  Some very nice eye candy!    :drool:
Oh, and the natural scenery is real nice too...especially on crisp fall and spring days.

It's a perfect 6 mile loop, so it's easy to track the distance ridden.  The hills in the north are challenging and will deplete even fit riders, especially on hot muggy days.

My weekday rides were shorter.  I lived in the West Village so I would shoot over to the Hudson River bike path and ride north as far as it goes.  It ends somewhere in Harlem, south of the GWB.  Fairly scenic and nice cool river breezes, but can get a bit chaotic in spots with googly-eyed tourists not paying attention.   IIRC it was about 17 miles round trip.

The key thing with these rides is there are no cars to deal with.  A rarity in NYC!



Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Bemopti123 on 19 Aug 2009, 05:31 pm

   It had been awhile since I took my bike (road bike actually  :icon_lol: ) out for a ride in the city. Usually I got tried from work and too lazy to go out on my day off  :duh:

   Anyway, Levi... when are you going to show everyone your new toy?  aa

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

NYC is very strange in the way it supposedly "promotes" a bike friendly environment by putting lanes, paths everywhere and yet they typically harass bikers informally through police, ticketing etc...  Most of these so called painted lanes are useless and dangerous as NO driver ever watches that they are there.  There needs to be some sort of concrete marker in order to make it a hassle for drivers to cross into them but I do not see this ever happening. 

I can also relate the fact that you have time after work or on free days but it is oh so very tiring to take the bikes out to ride, especially when the bike friendly world out there is really more like a war zone.  :P


Also, you do not want to get your ride stolen, which is more probably because there are not too many bikes tied/chained as the city is not truly bike friendly.  If the changes were "real" then perhaps there would be a lot of bikes chained here and there and the probability of your ride being taken would be like that of a car being stolen.

The best is probably to get a beater of a ride that discerning thieves would not bother stealing as it might not be flashy enough to be deemed worthwhile.

Has anyone seen those rides that look so gaudy that is says, "take me, I am worth $$$$."?

Anyway, it is a challenge to bike in the city and I knew not of many if any trails for MTB in NYC, thanks for the links Levi.

PS:  Which of the "toys" Levi got are you talking about? :thumb:(Mystery Toy)

Paul



Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 05:46 pm
I went to Canada in Montreal actually and that is a nice town for riding bikes.  They even have a rental bike that you can use and park it on a designated secure bike racks.  It is really neat if you have been to Quebec.  This is what we need in NYC?  Beats walking, hop on and hop off with those bikes. :thumb:
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Montreal%20July%202009/IMG_3967.jpg)

My bike does not have paint so it is Grey satin finish.  Not much of an eye candy or flashing for the regular bystander. :)  I am sure bike thieves can spot a good bike from crowds of bikes. 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_5411.jpg)
Merlin XLM frame soon to be build
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Bemopti123 on 19 Aug 2009, 06:01 pm
It ain't fare, bro Levi gets all them toys, where is mine, muuuuuahhhh :bawl:

PS: Nice titanium Levi.  I nevertheless like my roadies to be steel, like this:

(http://bikespace.net/php/files/614840433.jpg)

PS2:  I got an old Bianchi Eros 1996 that I bought while in grad school.  Steel, all Campy but the cheapest of them, not a piece that is not Italian except the tires, rubber made in Indonesia.  Sadly it is tucked away gathering dust as I can ill afford to go spinning while taking care of my little ones.

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 06:07 pm
Ha ha ha :lol:  Thanks for the complement on my mountain bike frame.  I remembered you having an old school Bianchi.  Do you still have time to ride it? 
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 06:15 pm

It's a perfect 6 mile loop, so it's easy to track the distance ridden.  The hills in the north are challenging and will deplete even fit riders, especially on hot muggy days.


eh...the elevation in the Central Park loop is only about 100ft... :P
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Bemopti123 on 19 Aug 2009, 06:18 pm
Are you going to equip the Merlin to be a city assault ride or a full fledged MTB?  I remember that most Merlins tend to be road bikes. 

I got 2 bikes:

My 1996 Bianchi Eros in cherry red

and

My 1997 Kona Lava Dome steel frame, in metallic orange with a Manitou shock, forgot the model.

Nah, not much, NONE whatsoever time to ride them as I have to babysit during my spare time.  Maybe when they get older. 

What happened to your Litespeed MTB?
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 06:19 pm
I like central park.  Lots of happenings and normally closed for cars during the weekend.  There is not much elevation but still a workout for some including myself with fat tyres. :)

My litespeed mtb circa 1995 is still around.  My son has outgrown his 20" bike so it will be his bike soon.  Lucky kid. 
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 06:24 pm
I picked up this bike a few months ago from a bike messenger in NYC...upgraded the saddle and wheels, and got matching pedals and bottle cage:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21304)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21305)

The frame is a 2008 Fuji Track steel frame painted black.  Drop handlebars were cut into a narrow flat bar to be able to squeeze between cars in the city.  It's a fixed-gear bike (48T chainring, 15T rear cog) with a front brake added.  Fun as heck to ride, but super-scary on the downhills...!
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 06:44 pm
You finally got put it together. :thumb:  Fixed gears are tough to ride without brakes specially downhill.  That is unless you have strong legs, good technique and front brakes ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 06:51 pm
You finally got put it together. :thumb:  Fixed gears are tough to ride without brakes specially downhill.  That is unless you have strong legs, good technique and front brakes ;)

When I bought the bike, there was a 13T rear cog...and even on the flats, it was really hard to stop the bike with just my legs.  Putting on the 15T definitely made it more do-able, so unless it's a fairly steep downhill, I'm able to control my speed with just my legs pretty well.   8)

I will also say that it's sometimes very hard to try to put a water bottle back in the cage while pedaling... :o
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 19 Aug 2009, 07:20 pm

It's a perfect 6 mile loop, so it's easy to track the distance ridden.  The hills in the north are challenging and will deplete even fit riders, especially on hot muggy days.


eh...the elevation in the Central Park loop is only about 100ft... :P

Maybe so.   But there are a few in a row, and the climb is over a short distance.

I'm older (53) and a large rider (6'3" and 240 lbs), so lots of beef to lug up the hills......albeit low ones!  And I'm not the fittest person in the world, but I was riding about 150 to 175 miles per week, averaging about 17 mph, so I was somewhat fit. 

I'm sure Lance Armstrong would laugh at them, but they were fairly tough for me.....especially by the 4th and 5th loop, and particularly in muggy summer conditions.  And from what I observed, it was the same for most riders there.

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 07:26 pm
John you are still young.  Now imagine going in the loop at Central Park in Fat Tyres. :)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 19 Aug 2009, 07:33 pm
John you are still young.  Now imagine going in the loop at Central Park in Fat Tyres. :)

Hell no!  No way!  Couldn't do it!

 :o

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 08:50 pm
John, that's pretty impressive mileage and speed!  I only get in about 100 miles/week...maybe a little faster, but still about 40% less mileage...
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 19 Aug 2009, 09:12 pm
John, that's pretty impressive mileage and speed!  I only get in about 100 miles/week...maybe a little faster, but still about 40% less mileage...

Thanks Phil, but most of the credit goes to my Litespeed Arenberg: titanium frame, nice componentry, light and fast.

And I was able to put in all the miles cause I wasn't working at the time.

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 09:44 pm
Good frame and nice componentry sure makes biking more fun and allows you to go faster.  You are definitely working those miles but not as hard.  I call that efficient.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 09:56 pm
I too have a nice titanium road bike with good components to help me go fast...! 8)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21310)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 19 Aug 2009, 11:04 pm
Nice Ti road bike. I didn't know what Ti ride like until I rode one.  It is actually like magic carpet ride!  :lol:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Aug 2009, 11:42 pm
Nice Ti road bike. I didn't know what Ti ride like until I rode one.  It is actually like magic carpet ride!  :lol:

I actually think that Ti is the ultimate mtn bike frame material.  My current mountain bike is steel, and I love it, but if I was to get a new one, I'd definitely go Ti.  I actually rode my brother's Merlin XLM last week in Oregon and it was fantastic...!

For road, as much as I enjoy my Ti Spectrum, I think steel represents the magic carpet for me. :thumb:  I still have my Cinelli Supercorsa...
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: zacster on 19 Aug 2009, 11:45 pm
Levi & all

This is the bike I crashed on Friday.  No damage to the bike just to the rider.  Ouch.  Broken Pelvis.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/3116719509_a0f388a223.jpg)

A mix of old time Campy and modern 10speed wheels, new brakes, saddle, carbon seat post, old bars and stem, all on a custom built for me Davidson steel frame from 1981.

This is my other bike

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/159262415_0d0b5ccd0c_o.jpg)

All carbon.
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 12:01 am
Sorry to hear about your crash Zac.  Great bikes!

You guys have more than one road bikes!  I am about to have my second bike built.  Actually third.  They are all Mountain Bikes!  :thumb:

Phil has the most bikes that I have seen in his garage.  :thumb:  Over 4 bikes maybe 6... :scratch:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 20 Aug 2009, 12:13 am

Phil has the most bikes that I have seen in his garage.  :thumb:  Over 4 bikes maybe 6... :scratch:

Are you including my kids' bikes...? :scratch: :lol:

In my garage:
- Spectrum Titanium road bike
- Cinelli Supercorsa steel road bike
- Fat Chance Yo Eddy!  steel mountain bike
- Bridgestone MB-4 steel mountain bike
- Fuji Track steel fixed gear
- Gary Fisher mountain bike (my wife's)
- Cannondale cruiser bike (my wife's)
- Mongoose 16" coaster bike (my daughter's)
- Mongoose 12" coaster bike (my other daughter's)

...and than in my basement, I have a Colnago Masterlight steel road bike...

[EDIT: I also have a steel Cinelli mountain bike frame that I'm building up into a single-speed...]

 :hyper:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 20 Aug 2009, 12:16 am
btw - whatever happened to that bicycles thread in the old Sports Bar circle...did it disappear with the Sports Bar?  Or did it make it over to the Athlete's Circle? :scratch:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: zacster on 20 Aug 2009, 02:13 am
Those are just 2 of the bikes in my house!  I also have a Trek mtb, a Cannondale road bike (wife), Specialized Dolce Vita road bike(daughter), Bianchi mtb (other daughter) and something called Zilioli, an Italian racer that went into the business in his hometown of Cuneo. 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/3185930525_509c014ea1_b.jpg)

This bike is all original from 1982.  Campy SR pantograph engraved, Engraved chrome fork crown, ultralight (for their time) wheels, Clement Criterium Seta sew ups (one still remains).  The only thing I've changed is the bar tape and chain.  Those things wear out.  Those hidden cable levers were the first of their kind, and were a sensation at the time.  The only problem is they didn't work all that well.

I've got a lot more bikes than audio gear.
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 03:57 am
Nice bikes Zac.   I only been to your house once.  You have lots of space in your house to hide those bikes like Phil. :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: mjosef on 20 Aug 2009, 04:11 am
  :roll:    Mountains in NYC???  :jester:

Saw a movie once...The man who climb up a hill and came down a mountain...good movie.
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 04:21 am
Hey Martin, the title is catchy.  You have a bike that rides in the woods?  :lol:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: mjosef on 20 Aug 2009, 04:28 am
Yeah, I HAD a bike that could have hiked in the woods...until the new owner liked it more than me, and not even a heavy duty 2" chain could stop him from having it.  :evil:

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 20 Aug 2009, 04:32 am
Martin...

Maybe you could get one of these to go mountaineering with the guys.... :jester:

(http://www.bigfoot4x4.com/images-news/fsbf07-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 20 Aug 2009, 04:48 am
Zac,
That paint job on the Zilioli is gorgeous.  Is it like a pearl based cream, or is that just the effect of the flash.
Phil has a nice stable. 

Mine is a hodgepodge:
Bacchetta Giro 26/20 'bent (fun, but I don't like it in the mountains)
Bridgestone 450 Road (makes me feel like I'm going fast)
Bridgestone MB-1  (was number one MTB until the Stumpy)
Bridgestone MB-2 (converted this summer into a roundabout ride, perfect for Rails to Trails, like the KATY Trail)
Marin Bear Valley Good hardtail
Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 2006, fine ride in Moab
BikeFriday New World Tourist (jury still out on this for touring)
Downtube.com folder Mistake, not close to the Bike Friday for folder. Clown bike
REI Randonee Touring Trusted steel for over 10K miles. 3 months in Alaska, two Danube River trips, etc.
KHS Montana Sport  First "mountain bike", now converted for winter crap commuting
Frame only:
Raleigh Record
Shogun 500 Cro-Mo
I think that covers it.
Now, Levi, if I can just find a Waterford Tour in my size, but will probably have to settle for a Surly Long Haul Trucker for next summer's touring.
Lyndon
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 05:26 am
Gee Lyndon, nice collection of bikes.  So I don't have to rent a bike if I visit Salt Lake City.  :thumb: 

You keep looking for your size.  Sizing is extremely important.  I had to pay full retail just to get my frame customized to my size. :)

Those Waterford lugs are beautiful.

You know I never heard of the Surly and the Waterford.  Quick google search of Surlyvile sure looks like Karate Monkey is for me. :lol:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: mjosef on 20 Aug 2009, 05:40 am
Martin...

Maybe you could get one of these to go mountaineering with the guys.... :jester:

(http://www.bigfoot4x4.com/images-news/fsbf07-1.jpg)

Yeah, make mincemeat outa them... :lol:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 20 Aug 2009, 05:46 am
Right, Martin.
Levi will grab the Surly Karate Monkey 29'er, and I'll hop on this Haro steel Beasley 650B, and we'll take you out, man! (with apologies to Jean-Claude Van Damme) :)
(http://yoda.densan.ca/kmr/bikes/beasley291.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 06:49 am
I think I will be reaching my goal.  A Merlin XLM sub 19lb mtn bike.  :thumb:

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: bunnyma357 on 20 Aug 2009, 06:58 am
Lyndon,

Haven't seen a 650B mountain bike before. I noticed you've got a Bridgestone 450 - I bought mine new in the 80's, though it's now set up as a fixie (but a wimpy fixie with both front & rear brakes).

(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo346/bunnyma357/IMG_1213.jpg)

I do hope I get to do some bike riding in NYC on a visit at some point - seems like it would be a lot of fun.


Jim C
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: zacster on 20 Aug 2009, 11:37 am
Zac,
That paint job on the Zilioli is gorgeous.  Is it like a pearl based cream, or is that just the effect of the flash.
Phil has a nice stable. 


The paint job looks even better in person.  It is pearl based, but I don't know how to describe the color.  I've never seen anything else like it.  And its tough too, the bike is 28 years old and there isn't a scratch on it.
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 20 Aug 2009, 04:23 pm
btw - whatever happened to that bicycles thread in the old Sports Bar circle...did it disappear with the Sports Bar?  Or did it make it over to the Athlete's Circle? :scratch:

Hey!

   I think that thread got archieved along with the Sport Bar after it was closed. Sad isn't it? :?

   I do missed the Sport Bar and Audio Central. Honestly AC it ain't the same as it used to be to me. You know it takes many to build a village but only a few to burn it down :roll:

    Well, at least I still have my NYAR! We're cool! :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 04:33 pm
No problem with that old Buddy.  We build it again.  Only better.  When time comes we can probably merge this in the Athletic club.  I'd like to keep it here and moderate it for now.  :thumb: 

Sticked so it is easy to find!
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 04:36 pm
Hey Lyndon, I really like that bike shot of your Haro steel Beasley 650B.  I like it :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 20 Aug 2009, 04:40 pm
It ain't fare, bro Levi gets all them toys, where is mine, muuuuuahhhh :bawl:

PS: Nice titanium Levi.  I nevertheless like my roadies to be steel, like this:
....

   Yeah, look like Levi have been getting a lot of new "Bling blings" lately  8)

I like central park.  Lots of happenings and normally closed for cars during the weekend.  There is not much elevation but still a workout for some including myself with fat tyres. :)

My litespeed mtb circa 1995 is still around.  My son has outgrown his 20" bike so it will be his bike soon.  Lucky kid.

Hey!

   Or maybe you outgrown your old toy? :jester:

   Your old Litespeed is still a very good bike.

   Anyway, nice frame would like to see it once it is done. If you can keep it at 19lbs or lighter than it will be a tad lighter than my '04 Klein Aluminum/carbon...(mostly aluminum :icon_lol: )... road bike  :o

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 04:46 pm
Thanks Buddy for the complement on the old Litespeed Obed.  It is a good bike, all the parts have been upgraded in that bike.  It weighed 20lbs in my Park Tool DS-1 scale.  The Merlin is a much lighter frame so losing 1lb is drastic.  My wallet drastically is much lighter after this project. ;)


Do you still have your Klein mtn bike?
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Bemopti123 on 20 Aug 2009, 05:43 pm
I am waiting for my son to grow some more and I will give him access to my rides, as well as my stereos.  Hehehe. 

Nevertheless, I do notice that my son, he is going to be 4, is more interested in the bike aspect rather than the equipment aspect.  I hope to teach him what good stereos sound like and he will not need to spend a penny for all the gear I have.  But, why do I get a feeling that my daughter will be more of a gear head than my son?   


I like all the old gear that began small before they were acquired by large corporations.  Buddy, you are into Kleins, I remember seeing a lime color Klein MTB hanging in Seinfeld's apartment, besides that, I actually saw a Klein from the Seinfeld era in my best friend from college's house.  It was hanging in the garage next to a RSX Type S and a Acura TL Type S...People all their mechanical toys. 

I like it. :green:

PS:  If I had more children for all the extra equipment I am listening(more like hoarding here) than, I might as well be an Arab King or something.  For sure my wife would not like that.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Don_S on 20 Aug 2009, 06:30 pm
btw - whatever happened to that bicycles thread in the old Sports Bar circle...did it disappear with the Sports Bar?  Or did it make it over to the Athlete's Circle? :scratch:

Yea,  I miss that thread.  I feel like a voyeur here.  I am not from NY and don't like the taste of dirt.  I do have a couple of sweet road rides.  Reminds me that I need to get out my Merlin and top off the tires for my Thursday nite fast-ride with a less fortunate buddy who still works.
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 09:12 pm
My Merlin XLM is almost finished.  Just needs a few items. Hydraulic cables needs to be cut and brakes to bleed etc.  I

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_5548.jpg)
She's gleaming...sub 19lb mtn bike

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_5553.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_5560.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 20 Aug 2009, 09:47 pm
No problem with that old Buddy.  We build it again.  Only better.  When time comes we can probably merge this in the Athletic club.  I'd like to keep it here and moderate it for now.  :thumb: 

Sticked so it is easy to find!

Maybe we should change the title so it captures all types of bikes (not just mountain bikes)?
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 20 Aug 2009, 11:57 pm
Done!  Stickyd'  :thumb:


Show us your Bicycle.  It should be taken from the side just like Lyndon's picture. ;)

To limit uncessary pictures.  Please post only your bicycle.

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Don_S on 21 Aug 2009, 12:05 am
Levi,  Great looking ride.  Shame to get it dirty........but if you do, I recommend Lemon Pledge to get it gleaming again.  Works great on my Merlin.  I think I bought the last pump spray bottle ever made.  All I can find now are aerosol cans.  Works ok though.  I spray a small, soft cloth; not my bike.  Only takes a couple of minutes extra work after washing and my ride looks like new. It also helps keep new dirt from sticking and takes off any lube stains I missed.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Aug 2009, 12:16 am
Hi Don.  Thank you for the bike complement.  Great polishing tip aswell.  ;)   

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 21 Aug 2009, 03:06 am
Jim,
I love your Bridgestone 450 set up with the moustache handlebars and Brooks with bag.
I have 3 Brooks saddles and may pick up another one this weekend.  They are a bitch to break in, but when they are...
Is that bag a Carradice?
Levi, that beautiful Beasley is not mine.  That is a custom build by DeeEight over at the mtbr.com
forum.  He just loves getting the frame, and letting his imagination roam.
Then he gets bored and sells it and does the whole thing again.  Kind of like Top Round with his short fling with single drivers. :lol:
Here is DeeEight's newest build, a 29'er, but I like the Beasley, and will keep a lookout for one at the end of the season.
(http://yoda.densan.ca/kmr/bikes/dos1.jpg)

And if you like a well lugged steel bike,
Richard Moon does a nice job
(http://www.cwo.com/~lunarlab/jpegs/image48.jpg)
And so does Vanilla Bicycles in Portland
Custom Made Touring bike, 2 year waiting list on certain models
(http://vanillabicycles.com/frames/touring/2/lrg/9.jpg)
I love the leather pocket for extra spokes
(http://vanillabicycles.com/frames/touring/2/lrg/16.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Aug 2009, 04:08 am
Eye candies!

Thanks Lyndon.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 21 Aug 2009, 05:11 am
....


Do you still have your Klein mtn bike?

Hey!

  Yeah, I still have it. It is an all aluminum Klein "Pulse Pro" from '97 I think.  I want to ship it to my brother in San Diego. There are lots of place for MTB there. :D But I haven't done so yet.  :roll: I don't know. Anyway, it will need a total overhaul if I'm going to ride it again.  :icon_lol:

.... Buddy, you are into Kleins, I remember seeing a lime color Klein MTB hanging in Seinfeld's apartment, besides that, I actually saw a Klein from the Seinfeld era in my best friend from college's house.  It was hanging in the garage next to a RSX Type S and a Acura TL Type S...People all their mechanical toys. 

I like it. :green:
...
   

   Yeah, I think many learn about Klein bike from Seinfeld....

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/07/seinfeld-thenosejob.jpg)

    That's the best I could find off the net. Anyway, it is quite interesting that they don't use a more popular brands like Trek... actually for a short time they did have Canondale hanging there but I believe they when back to Klein again. I think after the show was over they saved those set and put it in museum of TV and Radio in Queens. Not sure if this set is there now, if so you might see that bike still there. Not sure what model that bike is  :scratch:

    Yes I do like Klein... but honestly I don't have much exprience with bicycle like some of you people here :wink: But yes, if I were to buy a new bike I will definitely look at Klein first. :D But I have no idea how the company is doing now. Well, it was bought by Trek a while back.

   Anyway, here is my Road Bike Klein '04 "Aura V" ....

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2391600296_920e8dc859_o.jpg)

   Nothing fancy here. Mostly Aluminum. Basic 9sp Shimano 105 and Tiagra components.

  Well, with all the pictures of bikes posted here so far made my bike look a plain vanilla  :icon_lol: Some nice bike you guys have here. :D Haven't fool around with it much. Just a new carbon bottle holder and carbon seat.

   So, since this is now about bike in general. I have to say that after exprience with both MTB and Road bike. I have to say that I like ride my road bike more than the MTB here in NYC of which I would ride in Central Park and on some dedicated bike path like on West Side highway mostly, and sometime on the street but rarely.

   I don't know it got different feel to it. I guess I like the feel of road bike more and that feel of speed and that responsiveness with my road bike. Of course if I live near a mountain than maybe I will be riding the MTB more. :D

   Anyway, if any of you NYAR Raver wanna go for a bike ride around Central Park and the city let me know. :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
     
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 22 Aug 2009, 03:31 pm
Hey Buddy, if you need help tuning your mountain bike, I have most of the tools to get it in good shape. Basically pump up the tires, clean/lube the chain, adjust the brakes and put air on the shocks and it should be good to go. I think you should keep the bike if you have space for biking around the neghboorhood leisurely. While your road bike is for going to the park and long distance.   
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: zacster on 24 Aug 2009, 02:11 am
Here's another take on Klein.  He was from Centralia or Chehalis Washington.  His shop was on the route of the Seattle to Portland double century that was one of the most popular rides in the country, and still is I think, but he wanted nothing to do with any of it.  He wouldn't sponsor it or lend his name to it in any way.

He was also very bitter about the fact that Cannondale started building fat tube aluminum frames, which were his specialty when nobody else was doing it.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: JoshK on 24 Aug 2009, 02:23 am
Here's another take on Klein.  He was from Centralia or Chehalis Washington. 

That is where my Grandmother lives.  Been many many times to Centralia but never noticed a bike shop.

Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 25 Aug 2009, 06:06 am
Here's a bike event that I came across tonight... :thumb:

Tour de Bronx.... (http://www.tourdebronx.org/)...Sunday, October 18th.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: WGH on 25 Aug 2009, 03:09 pm
Lucas Brunelle has some NYC bicycling videos on his site including "Rumble Through the Bronx" and "Drag Race NYC".
Take a look if you like extreme bike videos taken with a helmet cam.

(http://www.digave.com/images/thumbnails/vt_01.jpg)

http://www.digave.com/index.html (http://www.digave.com/index.html)

Wayne
Title: Re: Mountain Biking in New York City
Post by: goldlizsts on 25 Aug 2009, 04:48 pm
Martin...

Maybe you could get one of these to go mountaineering with the guys.... :jester:

(http://www.bigfoot4x4.com/images-news/fsbf07-1.jpg)

Count me in, Chris, in that "bike" above.  Who's driving/peddling?  A/C's supposed to be audio, not biking, or air conditioning, isn't it?  Just kidding!!!! :lol: :P :D 8) aa 

Shek
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 26 Aug 2009, 04:59 am
Hey Buddy, if you need help tuning your mountain bike, I have most of the tools to get it in good shape. Basically pump up the tires, clean/lube the chain, adjust the brakes and put air on the shocks and it should be good to go. I think you should keep the bike if you have space for biking around the neghboorhood leisurely. While your road bike is for going to the park and long distance.

Hey!

    Thanks but it will need more than a complete tuning... it needs a good shower too! That's something that is not easy to do in an NYC apartment's bathroom, not to mention that I will probably clogged up the drain pipe doing that.  :? I will have to see what to do with it.

Here's another take on Klein.  He was from Centralia or Chehalis Washington.  His shop was on the route of the Seattle to Portland double century that was one of the most popular rides in the country, and still is I think, but he wanted nothing to do with any of it.  He wouldn't sponsor it or lend his name to it in any way.

He was also very bitter about the fact that Cannondale started building fat tube aluminum frames, which were his specialty when nobody else was doing it.

  I did not know that part. But I've always like the way Klein bikes look. :D

Lucas Brunelle has some NYC bicycling videos on his site including "Rumble Through the Bronx" and "Drag Race NYC".
Take a look if you like extreme bike videos taken with a helmet cam.

(http://www.digave.com/images/thumbnails/vt_01.jpg)

http://www.digave.com/index.html (http://www.digave.com/index.html)

Wayne

  Man! These guys are insane! But than again that what those bike messengers do everyday at work  :o

   Well, I'm not that brave or should I say crazy on my bike when I'm on the street of NYC  :icon_lol:

Take care,
Buddy :thumb: 
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 26 Aug 2009, 12:51 pm

When I lived in Manhattan, I cleaned my road bike in the shower / bathtub.  Just pop off the wheels and it fits easily.

But of course, you then have a greasy tub to clean.  Life in the big city is rough!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2009, 01:15 pm
That is a great idea with the tub. If iam going to clean the bike indoors specially winter time, I normally use towel and Maguire detailer. I always remove the chain and clean that separately on the kitchen sink. :) .  If it is really muddy, or you ran over dog pile it has to be cleaned ouside. :lol:  Waterless cleaning mostly does the job for me.   
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2009, 03:00 pm
The gear system specially the 9sp mountain bike cog  is the hardest to clean.  City bikes just have to worry about their chains. Dry lube helps.     
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: mjosef on 26 Aug 2009, 03:15 pm
Bike baths??? Oh the horrors.
Why clean it if its going to get dirty again? I never cleaned/bathed my bike...this is NYC, not the suburbs.
Well, unless you are maybe going to a bike rally to pose...then yeah.

" hey look, he is riding a 'dirty' bike"...you won't hear that in the City.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 26 Aug 2009, 03:56 pm
That is a great idea with the tub. If iam going to clean the bike indoors specially winter time, I normally use towel and Maguire detailer. I always remove the chain and clean that separately on the kitchen sink. :) .  If it is really muddy, or you ran over dog pile it has to be cleaned ouside. :lol:  Waterless cleaning mostly does the job for me.

Hey Levi....

Do me a favor and don't tell you wife I made the tub suggestion.  It leaves quite a mess....especially if you de-grease the chain and coggs!

 :surrender:

 :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2009, 04:01 pm
I know exactly what you mean.  Not to mention it leaves a film of grease that's hard to remove. :lol:  Busted!  :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: TheChairGuy on 26 Aug 2009, 06:34 pm
This topic was partial inspiration for me to go out and buy my first bike (last week) in decades.  Lotsa' good weather here - don't know what the heck took me so long except procrastination.

Thx to all, John  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 26 Aug 2009, 06:39 pm
My bikes.

Specialized SWorks Roubaix SL2
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/IMG_2384.jpg)

Parlee Z4
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/IMG_1982.jpg)

Independent Fabrication Crown Jewel
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/IMG_1646.jpg)

Bridgestone MB-4 - still a workhorse
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/IMG_1948.jpg)

Specialized Langster Comp track
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/06LangsterCmp06_Sil_d.jpg)

Specialized Langster road fixed
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/IMG_1858.jpg)

Independent Fabrication Deluxe steel mtb
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/apadyk/IMG_1767.jpg)

Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 26 Aug 2009, 06:44 pm
For some reason I thought this thread was in the Athletic Club.  I was born in NYC so I guess I'm still eligible to post here.    :D
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2009, 07:13 pm
Everyone are welcome to post. Eventually we will move this thread as we see fit.

Riding a bike is a recession proof form of transportaion that we can all afford!      

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2009, 07:17 pm
Bikewnc, nice bikes and the scenery!

Western North Carolina has one of best the Mountain Biking trails.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2009, 07:19 pm
John (tcg), congrats on your new toy!  Ride safetly!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 26 Aug 2009, 08:09 pm
Bikewnc, nice bikes and the scenery!

Western North Carolina has one of best the Mountain Biking trails.  :thumb:

Thanks!  Yeah, WNC has some great mtb trails though I mainly stick to the jeep and fire roads with my mtb.  I don't recover as fast as I used to from those singletrack crashes.  I've been looking at a full suspension bike but I find it hard to justify with the type riding I do.  I mostly ride my road bikes anyway. 
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Aug 2009, 03:44 am
I can tell that you are into road bike by looking at your pictures.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Aug 2009, 01:12 pm
Pictures of my completed bike in Bar Harbor, Maine

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Bar%20Harbor%20Maine%20Aug%202009/IMG_5773.jpg)
Carriage Trails, Acadia National Park

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Bar%20Harbor%20Maine%20Aug%202009/IMG_5810.jpg)
Low tide crossing Sand Bar going to Bar Island
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Bemopti123 on 27 Aug 2009, 01:19 pm

Riding a bike is a recession proof form of transportaion that we can all afford!      

--Levi

Unless you live in NYC and get your ride "taken" or "permanently borrow,"  I would say it quite does not fit the criteria of "we can all afford." :icon_twisted:

BTW, while in Montreal, I realized that there wasn't much of broken chains, bike parts hanging in posts.  Perhaps it is because MANY people ride bikes. 

Paul
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: TheChairGuy on 27 Aug 2009, 01:37 pm
John (tcg), congrats on your new toy!  Ride safetly!

Thx Levi....I even bought a Kettler Child Carrier to transport my daughter to school in the mornings (1 mile each way....a couple of mild hills along the way)

I bought a basic 'bike' - surely nothing as esoteric as you pro's here:

(http://www.performancebike.com/images/performance/products/large/30-1257-GRY-SIDE.jpg)

Lightly used and $200 on Craiglist with lock/chain and bell...it gets me to where I need to go without using the car or hoofing by foot :thumb:

Thx all / later - John
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 27 Aug 2009, 01:39 pm
BikeWNC said:
Quote
I've been looking at a full suspension bike but I find it hard to justify with the type riding I do.  I mostly ride my road bikes anyway.

I thought the same way until I broke down last spring and got a dual suspension.
Love it for Moab, but for the singletrack in the Wasatch Mountains and Bonneville Shoreline Trail, the hardtail rules.
Great bikes, BikeWNC, especially the Bridgestone.  You probably already know the forum, but at Phred.org, one of the forums is BoB, which I think translates into Bridgestone Owners Bunch, but has evolved into just happy, intense bikers.  I think it started from B'bikes and Grant Petersen, who was responsible for getting Bridgestone to develop their great line of bike offerings in the 80's, then moved on to form Rivendell Bikes.  Eh, enough of bike history.
Lyndon
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 27 Aug 2009, 02:48 pm
BikeWNC said:
Quote
I've been looking at a full suspension bike but I find it hard to justify with the type riding I do.  I mostly ride my road bikes anyway.

I thought the same way until I broke down last spring and got a dual suspension.
Love it for Moab, but for the singletrack in the Wasatch Mountains and Bonneville Shoreline Trail, the hardtail rules.
Great bikes, BikeWNC, especially the Bridgestone.  You probably already know the forum, but at Phred.org, one of the forums is BoB, which I think translates into Bridgestone Owners Bunch, but has evolved into just happy, intense bikers.  I think it started from B'bikes and Grant Petersen, who was responsible for getting Bridgestone to develop their great line of bike offerings in the 80's, then moved on to form Rivendell Bikes.  Eh, enough of bike history.
Lyndon

That MB-4 has been through several changes.  Pretty much all that is left from the original bike are the frame, fork and stem.  I spread the frame when I replaced the Suntour 7sp with XT 8sp, it has Sun rims with White Ind. hubs and DT Rev spokes for wheels, Easton seatpost, Ultergra HS, Fizik Aliante saddle, RaceFace bar.  LOL.  I pulled my daughter with it in a Burley trailer and now a tag-a-long.  I ride it in the winter on the BRP when the road is snowed over and I slid it down the Clingman's Dome Rd in Smoky Mtn NP when a sudden 4 inches of snow fell.  It's a very fun bike. 

As for a fs mtb, I have no doubt one would be great.  I get to borrow one every now and then from my LBS for a test ride.  Last two bikes I tried were an Epic and a Stumpy.  I liked the Epic better for what I do though the Stumpy SWorks was incredible.  Just not gonna spend that kind of $$$$ on a mtb.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 28 Aug 2009, 05:17 pm
Andy/BikeWNC...

I seem to recall an old post about some bike race that you participated in awhile ago....hills....hot weather...at least I think it was your post... :scratch:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Hogg on 28 Aug 2009, 10:34 pm
You guys and your bike pics.   Here's what you should be showing off:



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21543)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21544)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21545)

 :icon_lol:   Jim

Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Carlman on 29 Aug 2009, 12:05 am
I recently took a trip to NJ and rode a trail called 'Sourland'.  Great fun if you're into seriously offroad rocky/technical trails... which I apparently am.  :)
I'm attempting to link a short video I did after the ride to show some of the terrain we rode.
I'm on a silver/gray Turner 5-spot.  If this video works, I'm in an orange shirt and wearing knee pads.

http://www.facebook.com/v/1141419908700

Andy, I plan to get out to Pisgah this Fall.. but I hate fireroads.. so I will avoid them usually... but it'd be nice to see you.. Let me know if you'd like to try some singletrack again.. it'll be my first time out there so I'll be taking it easy.

Levi, that is one slick-looking bike.. very cool.  I bet it's light and strong.. definitely looks it.

-C
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Don_S on 29 Aug 2009, 01:46 am
C,  Great video.  If you call that a trail you have gone over the bars one too many times without a helmet.  :shake:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 29 Aug 2009, 02:25 am
Andy/BikeWNC...

I seem to recall an old post about some bike race that you participated in awhile ago....hills....hot weather...at least I think it was your post... :scratch:

I've done a couple in 100?+ temps.  One was the 2008 Assault on Mt. Mitchell and the other was this June at the Cherohala Challenge.  Both sucked!  I hate the heat.  Both rides are over 100 miles and have over 10K' of climbing.  I probably won't do a ride in weather like that again.  I hope anyway. :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 29 Aug 2009, 02:28 am
I recently took a trip to NJ and rode a trail called 'Sourland'.  Great fun if you're into seriously offroad rocky/technical trails... which I apparently am.  :)
I'm attempting to link a short video I did after the ride to show some of the terrain we rode.
I'm on a silver/gray Turner 5-spot.  If this video works, I'm in an orange shirt and wearing knee pads.

http://www.facebook.com/v/1141419908700

Andy, I plan to get out to Pisgah this Fall.. but I hate fireroads.. so I will avoid them usually... but it'd be nice to see you.. Let me know if you'd like to try some singletrack again.. it'll be my first time out there so I'll be taking it easy.

Levi, that is one slick-looking bike.. very cool.  I bet it's light and strong.. definitely looks it.

-C

A Turner 5 Spot is a hella bike!  I've always wanted a Turner, maybe someday.  Let me know when you may be up this way.  If I'm in town I'll try to join you for a ride.  I might be able to borrow a fs bike from my LBS. 
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 29 Aug 2009, 03:02 am
Hi Carl, that is a nice video.  That trail is technically challenging.  It looks like one has to pick the right path and keep the momentum going.  It is easier with a full suspension bikes.  Hardtail bikes need to be precise and choose the correct line and balance.  My bike has a well balanced handling and equally responsive.  I am psyched to ride now! 

I think fireroads are great for family rides. :thumb:

Hey Jim, if we go pro we could probably have chiseled leg muscles.   I am not sure about shaving legs like most roadies do. :scratch:

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 30 Aug 2009, 05:11 pm
Hi Jim.  This is in response to your post.  I asure you this picture in good taste. :thumb: 

(http://www.dirtragmag.com/merch/images/105_poster.jpg)

You guys and your bike pics.   Here's what you should be showing off:
 :icon_lol:   Jim


Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Aug 2009, 01:09 am
Hi Carl, that is a nice video.  That trail is technically challenging.  It looks like one has to pick the right path and keep the momentum going.  It is easier with a full suspension bikes.  Hardtail bikes need to be precise and choose the correct line and balance.  My bike has a well balanced handling and equally responsive.  I am psyched to ride now! 

I think fireroads are great for family rides. :thumb:

Hey Jim, if we go pro we could probably have chiseled leg muscles.   I am not sure about shaving legs like most roadies do. :scratch:

--Levi

Wait until you get to be my age, you might change your mind.  The ground hurts.   :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 31 Aug 2009, 01:34 am
I find it safer to ride off-road than to ride road with cars.  I have seen many motor bike accidents and it is not pretty.  NYC have many unfriendly, impatient and aggressive drivers.  :lol:  If you get hit with a car you might even die.  If you ride off-road and fall  on the rock might also die.  I'd rather be safe off-road since I have more control of my surroundings.  That's just me.    Cars kills!  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Aug 2009, 01:46 am
I find it safer to ride off-road than to ride road with cars.  I have seen many motor bike accidents and it is not pretty.  NYC have many unfriendly, impatient and aggressive drivers.  :lol:  If you get hit with a car you might even die.  If you ride off-road and fall  on the rock might also die.  I'd rather be safe off-road since I have more control of my surroundings.  That's just me.    Cars kills!  :lol:

I was comparing singletrack to fire roads.  If I lived in NYC, I wouldn't ride on the road either.  Well maybe Sunday mornings on the Central Park Loop.  I remember as a kid on LI we would ride over to Cold Spring Harbor at 4am to go fishing.  One kid had a generator light and we all rode down the middle of the road following the yellow line.  I doubt it would be safe to do that today.   :o  Nor would I let my kid do it.  My mom would just tell me to bring home some fish.   :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Bemopti123 on 31 Aug 2009, 02:19 am
I find it safer to ride off-road than to ride road with cars.  I have seen many motor bike accidents and it is not pretty.  NYC have many unfriendly, impatient and aggressive drivers.  :lol:  If you get hit with a car you might even die.  If you ride off-road and fall  on the rock might also die.  I'd rather be safe off-road since I have more control of my surroundings.  That's just me.    Cars kills!  :lol:

I mean we live in a City with Janus like attitude towards cyclists.  On one hand, they paint all those bike paths here and there to make the city look bike friendly, and then, the do ticket blitzes, harass cyclists and do little to nothing to make anyone want to ride a bike.  It is a shame.  Especially because there are soooo many roads, streets, avenues that will take you places if you dare to go. 

When I lived in the Bronx, I remember riding almost 60 miles back and forth on my road bike.  My bro, his buddy and I got as far up to be able to see the Tappan Zee bridge, close to Valhalla in Westchester.  It took us not too long, about 1 and 1/2 hours to get there, coming back was much faster.

No helmet will overcome several tons of hulking steel ramming you to the ground.  One definitely will need to have a kamikaze attitude if you dare to be on the streets of NYC, without being a bike messenger.   :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 31 Aug 2009, 03:00 am
Some of the marked bike route, class 3 (on-street signed route) are a joke.  Most do not have room for bikes and cars at the same time.   :scratch:
 
I rode my bike from Queens to Central Park and I have to agree that you have to have balls of steel to get there and back.  There is no way I will take my family on the streets of NYC.  I took so many chances of going in and out of traffic.  Almost like "Gung Ho" attack all out street assualt.  I felt like it is survival of the smartest.  :lol:  It sure is nice and peacefull once I made it in the park.  :thumb: 

No helmet will overcome several tons of hulking steel ramming you to the ground.  One definitely will need to have a kamikaze attitude if you dare to be on the streets of NYC, without being a bike messenger.   :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 3 Sep 2009, 03:24 pm
I went to Cunningham Park, Queens and had a great time!  We actually have a Mountainbike park!  :thumb:  I managed to do 14miles of fun filled singletracks.  This park is well engineered and maintained by C.L.I.M.B which I am a member of.  The trail is clearly marked from easy to hard and Expert.  I love this park and it is only 30mins from my place via car.

Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 3 Sep 2009, 03:27 pm
Here is my GPS tracking trails that I took that day.  :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/CunninghamParktracks.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 6 Sep 2009, 02:12 pm
Here is a Cunningham Park trail map courtesy of Peak Mountain Bike. 

(http://www.peakmtnbike.com/images/cunningham%20park.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 6 Sep 2009, 03:20 pm
Looks good, Levi.
Can you "bunny hop" the Clearview Expressway?  :wink:
Lyndon
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 7 Sep 2009, 04:51 am
I went to Cunningham Park, Queens and had a great time!  We actually have a Mountainbike park!  :thumb:  I managed to do 14miles of fun filled singletracks.  This park is well engineered and maintained by C.L.I.M.B which I am a member of.  The trail is clearly marked from easy to hard and Expert.  I love this park and it is only 30mins from my place via car.

Hey!

   Hmmm... I didn't know there's a park in Queens with MTB trial.  :o

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 7 Sep 2009, 04:59 am
They are hard to see because they are hidden in the woods.   :lol:

There is one in New York City aswell. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 9 Sep 2009, 12:12 pm
Looks good, Levi.
Can you "bunny hop" the Clearview Expressway?  :wink:
Lyndon


Hi Lyndon,

There is an overpass over LIE expressway linking the Mountain Bike park together.  The makes the park even longer. 

It is close to the city but you can definitely get lost in the woods.  :lol:

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: eastwes on 11 Sep 2009, 07:01 pm
Great thread and great bikes!!!

Alright...  Guess I need to add my 2 cents...  My "mountain bike" is in the trunk of my car and I don't have a photograph of it.  Attached is a photograph of my "road bike".  It is a custom built steel bike (Columbus SL/SLX) with gorgeous Davidson lugs, Cinelli bottom bracket, Campy dropouts and a full Dura-ace group.  Oh, I forgot to mention that its a 650cc frame/wheels.  I'm short.  What can I say?!?.(http://)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 11 Sep 2009, 09:31 pm
That is a beautiful bike Wes.  I can see the red nipples sticking out! aa
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 11 Sep 2009, 09:40 pm
Hey!

    Nice bike Wes. Maybe you, I, Levi and maybe others can take our bike for a spin around Central Park some time :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: PhilNYC on 11 Sep 2009, 09:58 pm
Great thread and great bikes!!!

Alright...  Guess I need to add my 2 cents...  My "mountain bike" is in the trunk of my car and I don't have a photograph of it.  Attached is a photograph of my "road bike".  It is a custom built steel bike (Columbus SL/SLX) with gorgeous Davidson lugs, Cinelli bottom bracket, Campy dropouts and a full Dura-ace group.  Oh, I forgot to mention that its a 650cc frame/wheels.  I'm short.  What can I say?!?.(http://)

How big is your front chainring?  Maybe it's the relative size to your wheels, but that chainring looks huge... :o
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 11 Sep 2009, 10:42 pm
Ah, Wes is using photoshop or some photography trick to make it look that big and macho! :lol:

Great looking bike, Wes.  I still think about listening to that 45 RPM of Ricki Lee Jones singing
Steely Dan.  Just fantastic! Thanks for being such a gracious host.  The fact that you remembered
that conversation with my sister and friend on the Brooklyn subway (we had never met), then we did meet you at the rave that weekend, is still one of my all time favorite weird stories in New York.
Thanks again!
Lyndon
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: eastwes on 11 Sep 2009, 11:55 pm
That is a beautiful bike Wes.  I can see the red nipples sticking out! aa

Thanks Levi.  That's all I'm going to say with respects to your post.  Leave the red nipples alone will ya!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: eastwes on 11 Sep 2009, 11:56 pm
Hey!

    Nice bike Wes. Maybe you, I, Levi and maybe others can take our bike for a spin around Central Park some time :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

Sounds like fun Buddy.  Only problem is that you're ALWAYS working!!!  :banghead:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: eastwes on 12 Sep 2009, 12:00 am
Quote
How big is your front chainring?  Maybe it's the relative size to your wheels, but that chainring looks huge... :o


Phil, the chainring is the standard size that accompanies a 165mm length arm.  You are correct in your statement that it is indeed the smaller 650cc wheels that create the illusion of the "huge" chainring.  The frame is 50cm by the way.   :wave:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: eastwes on 12 Sep 2009, 12:05 am
Ah, Wes is using photoshop or some photography trick to make it look that big and macho! :lol:

Great looking bike, Wes.  I still think about listening to that 45 RPM of Ricki Lee Jones singing
Steely Dan.  Just fantastic! Thanks for being such a gracious host.  The fact that you remembered
that conversation with my sister and friend on the Brooklyn subway (we had never met), then we did meet you at the rave that weekend, is still one of my all time favorite weird stories in New York.
Thanks again!
Lyndon

Lyndon,

The pleasure (and the experience you related) are all mine!  It was a lot of fun to make you and your sister's acquaintance.  Hope to get the opportunity to do it again one of these days soon! Word to the wise: watch what you say on the subway.  I might be listening...   :shake:

W.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 12 Sep 2009, 12:42 am
Hey!

    Nice bike Wes. Maybe you, I, Levi and maybe others can take our bike for a spin around Central Park some time :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

Sounds like fun Buddy.  Only problem is that you're ALWAYS working!!!  :banghead:

Hey!
   
   Well, not ALWAYS Wes.  :icon_lol:  Hey! I'm off today  :lol: It is just that I don't have weekend off now.  :?

    You know maybe I can ride my bike down long the bike path from Queens to your place to listen you system.... don't know when but one of these days  :icon_lol: Oh! wait can't do that because I can't ride with  my LPs  :duh:

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: mjosef on 12 Sep 2009, 03:32 am
Quote
can't do that because I can't ride with  my LPs

Sure you can, strap them to your back....like so... :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 12 Sep 2009, 04:19 am
Quote
can't do that because I can't ride with  my LPs

Sure you can, strap them to your back....like so... :lol:

Hey!

     Too risky to do with my precious vinyls LPs. Some are OOP you know   :icon_lol:

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 15 Sep 2009, 03:40 am
Here you go buddy.  I find this Timbuk2 bag essential if you do commuting in a bike.  :thumb:

(http://media.rei.com/media/yy/42b5a4bc-3a2e-4362-8cfe-a9cf3ba78f2e.jpg)
Timbuk2 Lex Messenger Pack Large.  Dimensions   19.5 x 17.5 x 7.5 inches
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: SET Man on 18 Sep 2009, 01:10 am
Hey!

   Well, that's look like a perfect side for vinylphile cyclist on the go :D

   I think I will just take the subway with my LPs. Hey! How often do I need to ride bike with LPs anyway. :D

   But that is a good looking bag. Maybe I will pick one up to replace my old backpack :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

   
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 18 Sep 2009, 02:32 am
I  have the Timbuk2 commute pack and I really loved this laptop backpack.  :thumb: It is well designed that it distributes the weight off your shoulders and into your back (lumbar).  Not cheap by no means.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Sep 2009, 03:24 am
If anyone is interested:  Minnewaska Mountain Bike Festival 2009 - Sept 26, 2009.  Here is the link to the event

(http://www.gumba.org/fest/MMBF09_header.jpg)
http://www.gumba.org/fest/index.php

There will be group rides for all skills. 
There will be clinics on:
Bike safety checks.
Trailside Bike Repair.
Helmet fitting.
Bike fitting.
Riding techniques.

It should be fun aa  I am bringing my family.  I hope to see some of you there.  Rain date is Sept 27, 2009 (Sunday).


--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Sep 2009, 03:04 pm
What a perfect day yesterday at Lake Minnewaska, New Paltz NY!  We had lots of fun!

I have a few pictures that I took of the event.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6322.jpg)
Minnewaska Moutain Bike Festival 2009

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6189.jpg)
Specialized bike sponsor

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6192.jpg)
New Bike!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Sep 2009, 03:07 pm
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6231.jpg)
Lake Minnewaska view from the top

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6250.jpg)
View from the level ground...note my son's Litespeed bike

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6255.jpg)
My Merlin XLM bike

Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Sep 2009, 03:11 pm
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6330.jpg)
Road trip!  Mountain bikes on Thule 518 Echelon roof rack.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6334.jpg)
Finally, we ate at a good Japanese Steak House in New Paltz

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6336.jpg)
Desert

Until next time!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: BikeWNC on 27 Sep 2009, 03:18 pm
I've been to a few of those Specialized demo days.  It's the only time I would get to ride a top of the line mtb because I would never buy one.  But they sure are nice!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Sep 2009, 03:53 pm
Ha ha ha...ditto!  :lol:

My reasoning to that is that all my bikes' components are hand picked.  All my frames are custom sized.

I've been to a few of those Specialized demo days.  It's the only time I would get to ride a top of the line mtb because I would never buy one.  But they sure are nice!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Don_S on 27 Sep 2009, 04:20 pm
Levi,

Mr. Monk says your bike looks suspiciously clean in the close-up by the lake.  Did you carry it all that way just for a glam shot?  :wink:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Sep 2009, 04:48 pm
:lol: Ha ha ha...I rode the whole length of the ride even though it left me breathless on the top.  8)

No one should ride the trails when it's muddy.  Riding on mud negatively impacts the trail and eventually the environment.  :)  Ultimately, it makes your bike dirty.  :P
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 28 Sep 2009, 01:09 am
Just an FYI...there is going to be a CLIMB sponsored mountain bike event next weekend.  It will be held in Cathedral Pines, Long Island. 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/FatTireFestival2009.jpg)

For more information:  Check out www.climbonline.org

I will be away on a trip to Atlanta, Georgia. 

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 9 Oct 2009, 01:13 am
Fat Tire was a Great Success!  It is too bad I could not make that one. 

Here is a video I took today at Cunningham Park.  It's pretty cool.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/th_PICT0021.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/?action=view&current=PICT0021.flv)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: toobluvr on 9 Oct 2009, 01:13 pm

What's goin' on there Levi?

Crotch cam?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 9 Oct 2009, 01:31 pm
That is seatpost mount GoPro cam. Stay tuned, I will take you through the woods with my new sport camera. ;)

(http://www.goprocamera.com/images/products/large/683_large_herowide01.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2009, 01:33 pm
I did my first night riding in the woods @Cunningham Park last night!  There were 5 of us and that was lots of fun!  My problem is that I was over driving my lights.  I have a handlebar mounted HID and a helmet lights.  The light output on those HID lights will put a shame on most of today's cars.  Tsk..tsk...tsk...I need more lights! 

There were no freaks out in the woods.  Perhaps it is weeknight  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 21 Oct 2009, 01:45 pm
Levi,
Here is the CandlePower Forum link.  These guys go nuts with the lights.  I'm just looking at lights for
autumn commuting to school.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=86

Lyndon
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2009, 02:29 pm
Thanks for the link Lyndon. 

A couple of guys at my MTB club are using MagicShine.  It is $89 bucks and has a light output of 900 lumens.  :lol:
http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_41&products_id=138&zenid=f7g91b52qmiqag50r0ifpoch93

Perhaps some LED lights are great too!  I am extremely happy with my HID lights.  All I need is a better helmet mounted HID lights. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: jackman on 21 Oct 2009, 03:47 pm
I picked up a Cygolite Mitycross 350 two weeks ago at Performance for $152 delivered (i had a $20 coupon) and it really kicks butt.  It is very small and lightweight.  The battery is light and it lasts about 3.5 hours on high.  My old light was a Nightrider halogen (old!) and this one is much better.  LCD technology is very impressive!

The light is also made in California. 

Here is a link:

cygolite.com
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: bunnyma357 on 21 Oct 2009, 04:01 pm
I've been happy with a Marwi Nightpro Extreme, they seem to not be very popular, so you can find them on closeout sometimes for a lot cheaper than other HID's.

http://www.marwiusa.com/default.aspx?taxid=24&cid=productview&bbid=3&pid=43#52

One thing with HID's - they can interfere with wireless bike computers, so if you are doing any road riding where you need mileage for cue sheets that can be a problem.

Jim C
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2009, 04:10 pm
I started with Nightrider halogen before the proliferation of lighting and battery technology .  LED is the newer technology that I think will surpass halogen by 10 folds.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2009, 04:13 pm
I did not notice interference with HID and computers.  I figured it is too dark to see with my non-backlit display computer. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2009, 04:28 pm
Ok 900 lumens candle power for road commutes maybe too much.  They are extremely bright and can blind people.  Perhaps some of them are for off-road use only.  Tsk...tsk...tsk...A combination of flashing and stationary lights is the best for commuting.  You get the attention from drivers and fellow cyclist that way.  Safe! 

I just love cycling.  I lost 10lbs riding bikes already! 5 more to go and I am slim again!  Not that I really care how I look, but I feel much better throughout the day.

I listen to audio when I get home, put the legs up and relax!  After getting cleaned up that's for sure. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Lyndon on 21 Oct 2009, 07:08 pm
Levi,
Like Jackman, I also have a NightRider, but when it bites the dust, plan on these newer LED setups.
I also like that one that simply uses two rubber O rings to attach it to the bike handlebar.
Can't think of the name, but they are not cheap, running around $120 to $200.
You are also right about some of the lights being too bright, and thus, should NOT be used on a helmet attachment.  On the handlebars, you can get the direction down to the road.
I have to get on this as it is getting VERY dark for morning commute and when they implement the
daylight savings, it will be reversed.
Lyndon
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2009, 07:51 pm
You are probably thinking about those NiteRider MiNewt LED USB $100. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 22 Oct 2009, 01:40 pm
Hey Jackman, I just checked your Cygolite Mitycross 350 and they normally run $230!  Needless to say you got a great deal and great beam! 


I picked up a Cygolite Mitycross 350 two weeks ago at Performance for $152 delivered (i had a $20 coupon) and it really kicks butt.  It is very small and lightweight.  The battery is light and it lasts about 3.5 hours on high.  My old light was a Nightrider halogen (old!) and this one is much better.  LCD technology is very impressive!

The light is also made in California. 

Here is a link:

cygolite.com
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: jackman on 22 Oct 2009, 04:29 pm
Hey Jackman, I just checked your Cygolite Mitycross 350 and they normally run $230!  Needless to say you got a great deal and great beam! 


I picked up a Cygolite Mitycross 350 two weeks ago at Performance for $152 delivered (i had a $20 coupon) and it really kicks butt.  It is very small and lightweight.  The battery is light and it lasts about 3.5 hours on high.  My old light was a Nightrider halogen (old!) and this one is much better.  LCD technology is very impressive!

The light is also made in California. 

Here is a link:

cygolite.com

Thanks.  Just check Performance once in a while and you can find them on sale.  If you join the performance club or if you know someone who is a member (I think it's $20 to join), you get 10% off.  I think the sale was for $179 and he got $18 off plus I had a coupon for $20 from Performance.  The total was around $152 because of sales tax.  I picked it up at my local performance store. 

Also picked up a Topeak Joe Blow Turbo pump at Performance for $31.  That was the best $$$ I have spent in a long time.  This pump is excellent and easy to use.  Highly recommended.

Also, I used the Cygolite last night and it worked very nicely.  Batery was on high the whole time and showed no signs of fading. I have tested it (not yesterday because that was a short and fast ride) and I get over 3 hours on high.  The battery and light are very lightweight.  The lightest, brightest, longest lasting battery I have ever tried.  My neighbor has tried tons of LED's and this is the best one he's tried also. Did a quick 19 miles around town at night with my neighbor.  He's got a Powertap system (hub and computer) and he sent me a printout of route with elevation from the GPS.  I
have got to get one of those.  Very cool.

http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/product.php?prod_id=1437 (http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/product.php?prod_id=1437)
J
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 22 Oct 2009, 04:45 pm
That is one great computer package from Shimano.  Polar or Mavic did similar things.  I only have MTN bikes. Maybe one of these days, I will have both.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: jackman on 22 Oct 2009, 04:54 pm
That is one great computer package from Shimano.  Polar or Mavic did similar things.  I only have MTN bikes. Maybe one of these days, I will have both.

It's made by Cycleops and is really cool.  After a ride you can download everything, route, elevation, average cadence, energy expended at any given point, mileage, speed, heart rate, etc.  It's expensive but great for roadies. 

Not sure I'd get it for a MTB because those things are not as important.  You aren't typically logging big miles but you have other challenges that are equally difficult.  This is a great thread, I've enjoyed it more than many of the audio threads!

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 22 Oct 2009, 04:58 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Oct 2009, 02:35 am
Today was a beautiful day to ride bikes 10_25_2009!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_6757.jpg)
Taken at Lake Minnewaska, NY
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: guest46813 on 26 Oct 2009, 03:49 am
Levi

I could not find a single spot of dirt or finger print on your MTB! at least not thru that cam. Plus can we see bigger air.

I just have to ask is it safe to ride in NYC with a $6000 MTB?

HID or LED light is good, but better is a NewCon NVS7 Gen2 night vision with a 60 degree FOV, just like your friendly Special Ops. 0.001 lux is all you need.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: mjosef on 26 Oct 2009, 03:58 am
He dismounts often and wipes down the bike.  :lol:

Nice place for a swim Levi. aa
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Oct 2009, 11:43 am
Ha ha ha...you guys are killing me.  :lol:

Quoc, I spent more than that.  :oops:   I feel safer riding in the woods with friends but I also ride on the street with cars.   Going from Jackson Heights to Central Park is truly an adventure. :lol:

I invested some of my savings hopefully to better my health.  Also, It is a recession proof form of transportation.  So it is a win win situation. :thumb:  I don't like riding on mud as it impacts the environment and ruins the trails. 

Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Oct 2009, 01:09 pm
If you have never been to a carriage trails, here is a video that I took yesterday at The Lake Minnewaska.  We covered lots of grounds that day and ended up in Mohonk National Reserve. :lol:  Trust me it is not all downhill.   :green:

I hope you enjoy my GoPro chest mounted video cam.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Video/th_PICT0007.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Video/?action=view&current=PICT0007.flv)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: GBB on 26 Oct 2009, 02:34 pm
If you have never been to a carriage trails, here is a video that I took yesterday at The Lake Minnewaska.  We covered lots of grounds that day and ended up in Mohonk National Reserve.

Levi,
Cool video.  It reminds me of my days in NY.  I used to live about a 45 minute drive away from those trails and biked on them quite often.  It looks beautiful this time of year.  We don't have leaves and colors like that out in California.  Thanks for sharing the video. 

---Gary
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Oct 2009, 02:54 pm
Thanks Gary for the video complement.  Since we are getting lots of rain, we have lots of different colors this time of the year.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: jackman on 26 Oct 2009, 10:15 pm
Thanks Gary for the video complement.  Since we are getting lots of rain, we have lots of different colors this time of the year.

Very cool video and very beautiful scenery.  I went for a 40 mile ride (road) on Saturday in the freezing rain (last 15 miles or so) and had a blast.  Tested out my new rain gear (it worked!) but I need to do something about my feet which were soaked and frozen.  My feet were never this cold in my life but the ride was good.  I'm getting faster and losing weight, just in time to get fat over the winter.

Be careful on that mountain bike!  I was in a mountain bike accident about 6 years ago (maybe 7) and completely dislocated, separated my shoulder and broke clavicle.  Here is my cool battle wound-after painful surgery  :D:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=6871)

Also, Cygolight 295 is on sale at performance.  I think they have an addl $20 off so it's $139.  If you join the Performance club, it's an additional $14 off so it should be around $126.  If you can get it at that price, it's worth the $$$.

http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1078299_-1_57000_20000_57004 (http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1078299_-1_57000_20000_57004)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: jackman on 26 Oct 2009, 10:18 pm
very sorry, double post.  I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 26 Oct 2009, 11:50 pm
Ouch!  That looks painfull Jack. :( How did you get that? I know MTB is a dangerous sport. I have scars to show it as well :) 

If you have not done the duck tape method (cover shoes with tape), it is worth looking at. Ha ha ha. I currently use SmartWool cycling socks and truly love it. I also have a Sidi MTB Diablo G-Tex shoes that keeps my foot warm and dry. 
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Oct 2009, 02:27 am
As far as trail lighting, I just bought a NiteRider MiNewt.400 dual.  They are 400 Lumens and has High, Low and Disco...blink, blink settings.  They are $214 at BrandsCycle dot com.  I have chosen the NR because I have owned one in the past, they are lightweight and the 25% off. 

(http://www.niterider.com/images/minewt400dual583.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Oct 2009, 02:29 am
Get well soon Jack!
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: jackman on 27 Oct 2009, 02:58 am
Get well soon Jack!

Thanks, that's an old picture and I'm fully healed.  My surgery was 7 years ago.   I was hurt trying to hit a ramp at relatively high speed (20+mph). I guess I was too forward in the saddle because after I hit the ramp, I took a mean endo and landed on the top of my head.  It was a complete dislocation, separation, concussion, etc.  I was knocked out briefly and it didn't hurt until a couple hours later.  The surgery was bad but at least I didn't snap my neck and I no longer do stupid things on a bike if I can help it.  :D

Beautiful lights.  I really like those.  Plus, you should get great light coverage with the dual beams.  Niterider is a very good company, AND they are cool looking (maybe the coolest I have seen).  At that price, you did very well. 

Let me know how the battery life is, after you've had a chance to give them a good test.  If you get three hours on high beam, or in the ballpark, you are good to go.  I'm going to look into the duct tape and the warm shoes.  My Shimano shoes have vent holes on the soles.  Plus they are very ventilated.  Good in the hot weather, very bad in the cold/rain.  Tha was the hardest part of the ride.  I'm going to look for the shoes you recommended.

Adios,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Oct 2009, 03:32 am
The picture looks fresh ;) 

Here's the actual lights installed and ready to rock!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_6803.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: guest46813 on 27 Oct 2009, 07:50 pm
Levi, Excellent vid. I have to check out that cam.

Years ago, I lost a Shwinn factory team race bike in Singapore. I had components from Manitou,  Shimano, Maxxis that will be released to consumers 12-18 months later. Even 2 of the very best Kryptonite locks only took < 10 minutes to cut thru in broad daylight with zillions of folks around!

May be you should take a tour trek from Llaksa, Tibet to Katmandu, Nepal. Tour is quite cheap, since camping and chalets. It takes ~3 weeks inc acclimatization, ~1000km. You wil be going to Mt Everest base camp and passes at > 15000 feet. Awesome.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 27 Oct 2009, 08:01 pm
Hi Quoc,

Sorry to hear about your bike getting stolen in Singapore!  :o  I mean you get wacked for chewing a gum there.  I am paranoid about my bike getting stolen all the time.  I never leave my bike out-of-site.  Further, I even take my bike inside the bathroom.  Well Starbucks has big bathrooms.  He he he.  No problem with that in the woods when nature calls.

I knew about those trips in Tibet, or Nepal.  They are one of the things on my list To Do's before I go to heaven.  ;) .  We are talking about no internet or bathrooms for 3 weeks.  :)  It is man vs nature.  Awesome indeed!

Cheers,
--Levi
Levi, Excellent vid. I have to check out that cam.

Years ago, I lost a Shwinn factory team race bike in Singapore. I had components from Manitou,  Shimano, Maxxis that will be released to consumers 12-18 months later. Even 2 of the very best Kryptonite locks only took < 10 minutes to cut thru in broad daylight with zillions of folks around!

May be you should take a tour trek from Llaksa, Tibet to Katmandu, Nepal. Tour is quite cheap, since camping and chalets. It takes ~3 weeks inc acclimatization, ~1000km. You wil be going to Mt Everest base camp and passes at > 15000 feet. Awesome.
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 29 Oct 2009, 04:16 am
My friends' Cannondale Prophet.  Picture taken at top of Awosting Falls.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_6772.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 4 Nov 2009, 03:22 pm
Hi again,

Here is my 12yr old son's bike.  It is a Litespeed Obed with XTR group, Mavic Crossmax SL wheelset and SID race fork.  I always tell him, "lucky kid"!  ;)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/Lake%20Minnewaska%20Sept%202009/IMG_6249.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Barry_NJ on 5 Nov 2009, 02:47 am
Hi again,

Here is my 12yr old son's bike.  It is a Litespeed Obed with XTR group, Mavic Crossmax SL wheelset and SID race fork.  I always tell him, "lucky kid"!  ;)


No Lie Levi!!! That's a whole lot nicer than mine...
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 5 Nov 2009, 05:06 am
So far he likes the bike so I am truly happy. :)

Here is a video that I took in Long Island at Stillwell Preserve.  It is a huge fast flowing single-track if anyone is interested.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Video/th_Stillwell2.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Video/?action=view&current=Stillwell2.flv)
Title: Re: Bicycling in New York City
Post by: Levi on 7 Nov 2009, 04:24 am
I really love night riding in singletrack. :)  Having a good wide powerful beam of light is all you need to have fun.  This is why I like the Light&Motion SECA 700.  I truly like its wide beam pattern.  It is 700 Lumen!  The performance of the SECA 700 compared to the MiNewt.400 is substantial.  The SECA made the MiNewt tiny ;).  I highly recommend, L&M SECA 700 for off-road and on-road commute.  During our night ride, I noticed that I can ride lots faster with the SECA.  It is easy to see the trails, drops and climbs.  Having a helmet mounted lights also helps.  Run time on the SECA 700 is @3 hrs on high (700 lumens) and exponential longer for Med, Low and Flash.  The SECA comes with Handlebar mount as well as Helmet mount, a smart charger and Lithium-ion battery pack.   The only thing I don't like about this unit is the wires are too long.  Perhaps, some wire management is in order. :thumb: 

Thanks for reading.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Light%20and%20Motion/IMG_6818.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Light%20and%20Motion/IMG_6817.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Light%20and%20Motion/IMG_6815.jpg)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 18 Nov 2009, 02:15 am
Today, my Magicshine lights arrived.  The manufacturer claimed it as 900 Lumens.  For $80 the Magicshine is of great value.   So why not.  I went out in the woods today and compared it to my Light & Motion SECA 700 (700 Lumens).  Needless to say, the Magicshine falls short in the quality of beam pattern and light output :lol: .  However, the Magicshine is still a great light for the money.  Run time is 180 minutes in high settings (900 Lumens).  Definitely, I recommend the Magicshine to anyone looking for a great light for the trails.  If its good enough for the trails, it is definitely more than enough for road commutes.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Light%20and%20Motion/IMG_6821.jpg)

L&M Seca 700 on the left and Magicshine on the right.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Light%20and%20Motion/IMG_6826.jpg)
View from the cockpit

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Light%20and%20Motion/IMG_6829.jpg)
Side view

Cheers,
--Levi

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 18 Nov 2009, 01:01 pm
Levi...I recently had the chance to get back out on the trails...went to Blue Mountain in Peekskill, NY on Monday morning.  Was a great technical ride!  Have you been out there?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 18 Nov 2009, 01:35 pm
Hi Phil, no I have never been to Blue Mountain in Peekskill. I heard so much great things about it. I planned to ride next!  I think that is going to be an all-day mountain biking fun!

Please let me know if you are planning to go next time. I am basically geared for All year riding!  :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 18 Nov 2009, 02:37 pm
Trying to decide between a road vs. mtn bike ride this saturday.  If it's mtn, it will probably be up at Blue Mountain...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 18 Nov 2009, 03:08 pm


If it rains on Friday. Stay on-road!  :lol:

if it is nice and dry and perhaps you are up to some masochistic trail beating, you just let me knoe and I am there! ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 18 Nov 2009, 09:00 pm
I will have to scan some of the pics from northern India, from my trip there in 1996.

I have more pics of just the bike, as I was alone for portions, but if you can live with pics of an older Kona on the Rohtang Pass, and surrounding areas, you might like it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohtang_Pass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohtang_Pass)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Nov 2009, 03:44 am
Let see some pics of your old bike.  I have an old Litespeed Obed bought in '90's.  At least it has front suspension.   :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Nov 2009, 01:31 am
We went off-roading today at Glacier Ridge Nature Preserve in Long Island, NY.  It is 5miles away from Long Island Expressway, exit 63.  The singletrack is 12miles or so long and smooth, fast flowing trails.  Excellent Sunday workout!

As always, I am behind :lol:
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Glacier%20Ridge%20Nature%20Preserve/th_PICT0004.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Glacier%20Ridge%20Nature%20Preserve/?action=view&current=PICT0004.flv)

and

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Glacier%20Ridge%20Nature%20Preserve/th_PICT0002.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Glacier%20Ridge%20Nature%20Preserve/?action=view&current=PICT0002.flv)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 30 Nov 2009, 01:29 pm
Very cool movies!  I love that helmet cam.  It's like I'm there!  Also, very cool trails. How about some pictures of you going off a jump or down a very steep and dangerous hill?  That would be fun to watch!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 30 Nov 2009, 01:53 pm
Levi, how/where is the camera mounted?  Is it around your neck?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Nov 2009, 02:48 pm
Thanks guys.  The camera is chest mounted. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 30 Nov 2009, 08:22 pm
How did you mount it on your chest? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Nov 2009, 09:19 pm
I am using a GoPro camera.  :)

dub dub dub dot goprocamera dot com  :green:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Dec 2009, 03:06 pm
There are so many aftermarket bottom brackets out there.  To name a few;  Blackspire, Chris King, FSA, Hope, Easton, Race Face, Truvativ, Token, and Wheels Manufacturing etc, etc, etc.  I always thought, how much improvement can those be against an already great XTR Shimano Hollowtech II BB?  Aftermarket bearings makes a huge impact in the way you feel about your bike.

My Hope ceramic BB has arrived. It is a work of art. It is totally made of aluminum (Shimano uses plastic tube).  Looks nice. It is indestructible.  Hope tech makes quality products and truly test their products in UK (rains a lot).  This is one of the many reasons I bought it.  It has the bling!  Too bad it will just disappear once installed in the bike. That's what we want isn't it?

Now that I have the Hope ceramic bb properly installed, I can only say that it totally disappeared!  ;D  Besides it is being hidden inside the frame, pedaling seems effortless.  Smooth is the proper term.  I like it.  It probably will not make me any faster but it sure feels good spinning the cranks.  It is all in the mind.  There are many aftermarket bottom bracket out there, I am sure you have a favorite one.

Thanks for reading.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/PC170066.jpg)
Gun smoke color

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/PC170064.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/PC170063.jpg)
External BB seal

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/PC170072.jpg)
Shimano XTR 970 and Hope BB

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/PC170068.jpg)
Properly clean bottom before installation

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/PC170075.jpg)
Proper torque settings for the cups
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 22 Dec 2009, 03:21 pm
Wow!  You've got it bad!  Ceramic bearings are the witches brew of cycling, like cables are to audio!   :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Dec 2009, 03:35 pm
I got the upgrade bug that is for sure!  However, unlike audio the results are not subtle.  ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 22 Dec 2009, 03:38 pm
I look forward to hearing about the longevity of this BB.  It's very cool looking!  My MTB still has old school square tapered spindle, Shimano BB-UN72 and I've had great luck over the years with this $25 BB.  I've driven through tons of nasty stuff (mud, streams, etc.) and this old technology holds up for years. 

The newer BB's (like your Hope) are cooler looking and lighter weight, and they are much stiffer (this is the big plus) and easier to replace.  From what I understand, the old style square taper BB's are more reliable, relatively bulletproof, cheaper and have less bearing resistance (maybe the ceremic bearings fix this last one).  Either way, I'll upgrade to the new style eventually (or just get the new ones on my next bike).  To make the change now would require a new crankset and I'm not sure my current bike is worth it.  If I had a Litespeed...different story!

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Dec 2009, 03:50 pm
I must agree.  Shimano makes excellent stuffs. 

My original statement as stated. 

How much improvement can those be against an already great XTR Shimano Hollowtech II BB?  Aftermarket bearings makes a huge impact in the way you feel about your bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bunnyma357 on 22 Dec 2009, 04:56 pm
The newer BB's (like your Hope) are cooler looking and lighter weight, and they are much stiffer (this is the big plus) and easier to replace.  From what I understand, the old style square taper BB's are more reliable, relatively bulletproof, cheaper and have less bearing resistance (maybe the ceremic bearings fix this last one). 

As I understand it the newer style can be just as reliable, but proper installation is extremely important. The frame must be faced to ensure the cups are properly aligned, otherwise you'll have performance and reliability problems.

I skipped this step when I did a DIY install and had some issues, took it to a LBS that had the proper tools & had it fixed, and have been extremely happy with the performance ever since.


Jim C
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Dec 2009, 05:41 pm
If anyone is interested.  I dissected the Shimano XTR 970 BB.  It has 2 seals and a cartridge bearing inside it.  One can probably service it.  I know it says in all caps DO NOT DISASSEMBLE.  Well I did and was able to put it back together as it was.  :) 

My point is it can probably be serviced or replaced or upgraded.   ;)

Enjoy the pics!   

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/IMG_7572.jpg)
Shimano XTR 970 BB untouched

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/IMG_7573.jpg)
Bearing with the 1st seal removed

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/IMG_7574.jpg)
Bearing with 2nd seal removed and bearings exposed

Cheers,
--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mfsoa on 22 Dec 2009, 06:02 pm
Hi Levi!

Just wanted to let you know about the Delaware and Raritan Canal State Park here in NJ.

It's been in the local news lately since they are completing a final link that will allow for something like a 70 mile continuous bike trail.

Starting just S of Milford (10 min past my house on the Delaware River) you can follow the Delaware S for 30 or so miles down to Trenton, and then continue NE along the Milstone River all the way to New Brunswick.

The trails are beautiful, well maintaned and since you are always near rivers there aren't many (any?) hills.

http://www.dandrcanal.com/

I'm certainly no expert on the whole system but I do know it's an amazing resource, esp for NJ, that not everyone knows about.

Worth putting on your "I'm sick of riding in the same place all the time, where else can we go" list.

Happy holidays

-Mike
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 22 Dec 2009, 06:18 pm
Quit slobberin' allover the bottom bracket and give some respect to the Merlin frame.  :drool: Beautiful art work two times on the bottom bracket assembly -- the Merlin logo and the graceful welds.

I have a Merlin road bike and the welds are truly the work of dedicated and skilled craftsmen.  AT least they were on my 1995 vintage bike.  They have probably been replaced by robots now.  Does anybody know if Merlins are still welded by hand?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Dec 2009, 06:21 pm
Thanks Mike for the trails.  I will check them out in six months, maybe Phil will join. ;)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Dec 2009, 06:27 pm
Hey Don, to this day, Merlin are still great frame makers.  They are still in business and being run by ABC (America Bicycle Co. in Tennessee).  The welds are perfect and the laser etched logos are works of art.  What really impressed me the most is the ride quality and performance.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_5354.jpg)

Quit slobberin' allover the bottom bracket and give some respect to the Merlin frame.  :drool: Beautiful art work two times on the bottom bracket assembly -- the Merlin logo and the graceful welds.

I have a Merlin road bike and the welds are truly the work of dedicated and skilled craftsmen.  AT least they were on my 1995 vintage bike.  They have probably been replaced by robots now.  Does anybody know if Merlins are still welded by hand?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 22 Dec 2009, 11:21 pm
Levi, thanks for posting the pictures of the Merlin. Beautiful looking frame.  A gun in my group has an older Merlin road bike and it's still very cool looking.  He doesn't ride is often because of the bike's racing geometry (and my friend's 53 year old back) but I love the way the bike looks and handle.  His new bike, a CF Serotta custom is very cool but I'm a fan of the plain titanium tubes.  that look will never get old. 

cheers,

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 23 Dec 2009, 12:50 am
I always liked the Merlin satin finish better than the other options available at the time-bright polish or unpolished pewter-like (darker).  After almost 15 years, Lemon Pledge still keeps my bike glowing with a soft sheen and smelling lemony-fresh.  aa
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Dec 2009, 05:39 am
I love steel but they rust over time when neglected.  Titanium atomic number 22 in the Periodic table lasts a lifetime.

(http://www.elementsdatabase.com/Images/periodic_table1.gif)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 23 Dec 2009, 06:24 am
I love steel but they rust over time when neglected.  Titanium atomic number 22 in the Periodic table lasts a lifetime.

(http://www.elementsdatabase.com/Images/periodic_table1.gif)

The fact that titanium is ultralight when compared to steel can only be of help for those middle aged legs of yours Levi when you're treking out there in them woods.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 23 Dec 2009, 07:10 am
I love steel but they rust over time when neglected.  Titanium atomic number 22 in the Periodic table lasts a lifetime.

Actually Ti bikes are referred to as "legacy" bikes.  They last longer than a lifetime.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ctviggen on 23 Dec 2009, 12:35 pm
Aluminum also doesn't "rust".  (Well, it does, but it doesn't flake off like iron rust does.)  No love for aluminum here? 

Personally, I went from an aluminum road bike to a steel road bike, and I'll be darned if I could tell a difference.  The aluminum bike had zero rust after 8 years; the steel bike was a rust bucket after a few. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bunnyma357 on 23 Dec 2009, 01:45 pm
I'll stick with steel - I've got 3 of 'em, two are over 25 years old - so I really don't think rust is that big of an issue for anyone who halfway takes care of their bikes.


Jim C
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Dec 2009, 01:51 pm
Hey Robin,

Don't give my age away.  Ha ha ha.  I switched from steel to Ti frame long before I passed the numbers on the calendar.  Ti frame also helps absorb some of sting from small bumps giving you that "magic carpet" ride. 

Never tried a good aluminum, scandium or carbon bike.  I am sure there will be mixed feelings here and there.


The fact that titanium is ultralight when compared to steel can only be of help for those middle aged legs of yours Levi when you're treking out there in them woods.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Dec 2009, 05:53 pm
I found this under my pillow this morning. ;) 

I always do the work on my bike.  Now I need a bearing extractor and bearing press to complete the upgrade.

Have a wonderful Holidays everyone.  Ride safe!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Industry%20Nine/IndustryNineCeramic.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:13 am
Ceramic bearings has been around for many years.  I first encounter them in Remote Controlled gas car hobby.  Over the years, I learned that ceramic bearings rolled smoother than steel.  This makes them more efficient when installed in key places in bike where friction can be reduced.  There are some concerns about the reliability of ceramic bearing vs steel.  In my opinion ceramic bearings are better than steel when placed in key locations to reduce friction and enhance performance.

Your rear hubs is one of the key locations that can benefit from ceramic bearings.  A typical high performance rear hub uses 4 or more bearings.  Industry Nine XC hubs uses 4 bearings in the back and 2 bearings in the front.  They are rated at ABEC5 and are truly smooth.  Ceramic bearings are rated higher and because you are replacing all 4 proves to reduce the most friction enhancing performance.  The bike coasts faster further and smoother. 

Finally, ceramic bearing upgrade is not for everyone.  It is for someone who wants the ultimate in performance from their high performance hubs.  There is no guarantee that it will win races.  However it is guarantee to reduce friction when installed in key locations. 

Thanks for reading!

The following is DIY Industry Nine XC hub maintenance and Enduro bearing upgrade.

Tools and supplies used: 
Park cassette removal tool
5mm hex keys
1.5mm hex key
1.2mm hex key
18mm socket + extension
ball pin hammer
plastic hammer
scribe or c-clip remover
small pliers
Finishline synthetic grease
rags and degreaser etc.

For more detailed instructions, maintenance guide from Industry Nine is available in their website.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Industry%20Nine/IMG_7582.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7601.jpg)
Remove cassette using appropriate tools.  Counter clockwise to loosen.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7609.jpg)
View with the cassette removed

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7610.jpg)
Unscrew and remove the bearing tension and dustcap from the non-drive side

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7623.jpg)
Pop out the drive and axle mechanism from the non-drive side using a soft plastic mallet.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:15 am
Cont...

Use 2x 5mm hex keys to unscrew and separate the axle from the drive mechanism
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7641.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7642.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7644.jpg)
Axle separated from the drive mech
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:16 am
Cont...working on the drive mechanism

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7646.jpg)
Inspect bearings

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7645.jpg)
Inspect prawls, springs and total condition of drive...looks good here!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:16 am
cont...

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7659.jpg)
Prawl and spring needs to be removed to replace the 61808 bearing.  Also note the C-clip securing the large bearing in place.  Soft-metal drift punch is used to remove the large bearings.  Careful not to ruin the hub body.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7667.jpg)
Large bearings removed.  There are still 2 small 61903/29.5 bearings inside the cassette body and the 40x52mm 61804 bearing in the disc side of the hub.  I used an 18mm and socket extension to extract them.  Make sure not to ruin the bearing race as aluminum in general is softer than steel.


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:17 am
cont...cleaning

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7674.jpg)
Clean parts thoroughly.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:18 am
cont...Nice and clean parts can now be inspected for wear and tear.  Looks truly good here!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7676.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7684.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7688.jpg)
All the drive parts cleaned ready for installation!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:18 am
Installation is reverse of removal.  Now that was fun!  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 31 Dec 2009, 04:59 pm
Levi,  Great autopsy pics.  Tip to anyone attempting to remove the rear cassette. (Pic number 2 in the series). I like to put the quick release back in but loose. That keeps the special, splined socket tool from slipping out when I apply pressure to get the cassette to break loose.  It can get kind of tricky trying to manage the cog wrench, crescent wrench, and loose socket tool with only two hands.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 06:29 pm
Actually, that is an excellent idea!  :thumb:

Thanks!

Levi,  Great autopsy pics.  Tip to anyone attempting to remove the rear cassette. (Pic number 2 in the series). I like to put the quick release back in but loose. That keeps the special, splined socket tool from slipping out when I apply pressure to get the cassette to break loose.  It can get kind of tricky trying to manage the cog wrench, crescent wrench, and loose socket tool with only two hands.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Dec 2009, 07:14 pm
Levi! Dude, stop posting these eye candy pics!   :lol:  Indy Nine hubs and ceramic bearings, dang nice setup.  Indy Nine is made here in Asheville but I have yet to have the pleasure of riding them, they are loud though!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 31 Dec 2009, 08:41 pm
However, unlike audio the results are not subtle.  ;)

In feel maybe, but in clocked times.... not so much. Actually, it's a lot like audio  :green:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 31 Dec 2009, 08:44 pm
My off-road rides:

This one goes up and down hills:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/SessionandRemedy007.jpg)

This one goes down stuff you can't even walk up:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/SessionandRemedy005.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Dec 2009, 09:03 pm
My off-road rides:

This one goes up and down hills:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/SessionandRemedy007.jpg)

This one goes down stuff you can't even walk up:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/SessionandRemedy005.jpg)

They are both too clean.  I always wonder about a mtb that is so very clean.   :P  Put it this way, my wife would never let my mtb in the house!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 09:35 pm
Nice bikes you have there Dave.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 09:42 pm
I love my I9 hubs.  They are not louder than Chris King or Hope hubs.  However, if you hear them passing you like Zzzzzzz...that is a sound of quality :)

 
Levi! Dude, stop posting these eye candy pics!   :lol:  Indy Nine hubs and ceramic bearings, dang nice setup.  Indy Nine is made here in Asheville but I have yet to have the pleasure of riding them, they are loud though!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Dec 2009, 09:45 pm
I love my I9 hubs.  They are not louder than Chris King or Hope hubs.  However, if you hear them passing you like Zzzzzzz...that is a sound of quality :)

 
Levi! Dude, stop posting these eye candy pics!   :lol:  Indy Nine hubs and ceramic bearings, dang nice setup.  Indy Nine is made here in Asheville but I have yet to have the pleasure of riding them, they are loud though!

Like a swarm of angry bees!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Dec 2009, 09:47 pm
To complete the Enduro ceramic bearing installation and maintenance checkup.  Here are a few more pictures of the bearings installed.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7704.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7708.jpg)
Clean hub and grease prior to drive mechanism installation

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7721.jpg)
Front hub

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Enduro%20Ceramic%20Bearings/IMG_7723.jpg)
Finished!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 1 Jan 2010, 03:00 am
Very cool freehub mechanism... the pawls engage 18 teeth at one time and there's over 100 engagement points if I remember right. My Hopes have 24 engagement points and 4 pawls that engage a single tooth. Hope hubs have an annoying amount of bearing drag, I'm interested to hear how the ceramic bearings spin. 

How have the aluminum spokes held up?

BikeWNC, they get washed after each use because they are stored inside. I haven't made a space to fit the bikes in the garage yet.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 1 Jan 2010, 03:19 am
The aluminum spokes proves to be very strong and the wheels remained round and true after the breakin. As for the ceramic bearings, I will let you know once the bearing and seals are broken-in.  Hope Tech makes quality products.

I keep my bike inside as well.  That way, I can work on it while listening to good music!  Err, ok I love to stare at it and hear the hubs spin. Zzzzz...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 1 Jan 2010, 04:03 am
Very cool freehub mechanism... the pawls engage 18 teeth at one time and there's over 100 engagement points if I remember right. My Hopes have 24 engagement points and 4 pawls that engage a single tooth. Hope hubs have an annoying amount of bearing drag, I'm interested to hear how the ceramic bearings spin. 

How have the aluminum spokes held up?

BikeWNC, they get washed after each use because they are stored inside. I haven't made a space to fit the bikes in the garage yet.


I was just ragging on you.   :icon_lol:  Those are some nice bikes. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 1 Jan 2010, 05:50 am

I might as well enter the fray.

Here is my wife's steed.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25005)


My son with his prized Cove Shocker downhill sled.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25007)

Daddyo riding my beloved 08 Commencal Downhill Supreme. Wish I had a better picture of the bike. But as you can see, we like gravity.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25006)


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Jan 2010, 10:02 pm
Nice pictures Rocket_Ronny!  By the brand of your bike(s), you probably live in UK. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Jan 2010, 10:04 pm
With all this bike talk, do you actually ride?  What about today 30F? 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/IMG_0412.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/IMG_0414.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Jan 2010, 10:07 pm
Today is actually better to ride with all the snow in the ground.  The trails are frozen but not icey so traction is good and not muddy. :thumb:

Let's ride!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/IMG_0419.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 2 Jan 2010, 11:19 pm
I got out yesterday for a family mtb ride with some friends in Smoky Mtn NP.  We rode on a closed gravel road along a beautiful mountain stream.  It was in the low 30s but we brought a stove along and made hot cocoa at the turnaround point.  There were several trees across the road from the recent snow but they were either easy carries or could be ridden around.  No pics though as my PnS camera had a dead battery as we left to go ride.  8 miles total. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 2 Jan 2010, 11:20 pm
Nice pictures Rocket_Ronny!  By the brand of your bike(s), you probably live in UK.
I was thinking Western Canada myself.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 2 Jan 2010, 11:58 pm
I rode yesterday. 22 degrees, snow and ice on the dirt roads.

Thanks to these it was a giggle.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=24042)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=24043)

It seems Levi likes Rocket Ronny's tires.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Jan 2010, 12:46 am
Keep riding guys!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 3 Jan 2010, 01:00 am
Keep riding guys!

I'd like to see you guys pulling that stunt up here in Vermont today. :duh:  Better be studdin' up them knobbies if you're bringing them bikes up here.  :lol:  Better yet, bring ski's!  :thumb:
 
Cheer's,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 3 Jan 2010, 04:59 am
Single digits in Chicago these days.  The only riding I'm doing is on the Kurt Kinetic Road Machine.  Boring as all hell but it beats riding the sofa  :icon_lol:.  I can't wait for 30 degrees. 

Cheers and thanks for the beautiful pictures.  I have never messed with my hubs, nor have I maineained them on my MTB.  They are old school, XTR's from the mid 90's.  The bearings are probably in sad shape.

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 3 Jan 2010, 06:01 am
I live in the Boulder area, there's usually good riding 11 out of 12 months. Thanksgiving to mid-January is usually pretty bad weather-wise, but I get out and ride at least once a week. Pueblo is 2 hours south and has some nice trails. I've been practicing bike skillz too, wheelies, endos, manuals, etc...

Rocket Ronny, nice jumps! DH is so much fun. I hope your boy doesn't ask why his bike is named the shocker. :lol:   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 3 Jan 2010, 06:11 pm

Quote
Nice pictures Rocket_Ronny!  By the brand of your bike(s), you probably live in UK.

Well the Commencal is from Europe but the Rocky Mountain and Cove are built in O'Canada where we live. Western Canada that is.

With 16" of snow on the ground, -5 f, and no studs on the tires we don't ride in the winter.

Also. Dave's spiffy new Treks makes me envious. They look so new and clean. A nice pick of gravity bikes there.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 3 Jan 2010, 09:16 pm

Levi:

Off topic, but how do you like your PMC speakers compared to the grand pianos you once had? What is the cost of the PMC's?


Thanks,


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Jan 2010, 11:43 pm
The PMC truly rocks!  Here is the link to my impressions (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=63378.0)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 4 Jan 2010, 12:40 am

Thanks.

I see you say they performed better than the Pianos, but not in what ways.

I would say the Pianos to be a romantic speaker. It images well and is fairly full bodied, and great in the looks department.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Jan 2010, 03:19 am
You pretty much sums the sound of SF.  However, the PMC made the SF sounded muffled and muddy.  Likewise, the SF does not like rock n' roll.  The PMC plays it ALL with juicy low-end snap and silky top-end which makes it a fun speaker to hear all sorts of music.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Jan 2010, 03:38 am
We went riding today and it was 25F with the wind howling.  It was bitterly cold but it never stopped us riding in the woods!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/IMG_0415.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_0417.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/IMG_0419.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 4 Jan 2010, 04:07 am

Thanks for that.

Look like some fun trails. Hey, where is the snow?  :lol:

Pretty funny saying 25 degrees is bitterly cold. Try some -40, like what we just came out of. Then 25 will seem like a heat wave. At -40 your car seat feels like a rock and the first few rolls your tires thump as the flat spot at the bottom takes a bit of time to round out.

The BIG saving grace is it is quite dry over here. -20 with humidity will feel like -40 in a dry climate.


Rocket_thump-thump-thump_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Jan 2010, 04:28 am
At least you are warm inside.  It is different when you are out riding and 25mph wind so you let me know how bitter it is when you start riding in the Winter.  :lol:

Thanks for that.

Look like some fun trails. Hey, where is the snow?  :lol:

Pretty funny saying 25 degrees is bitterly cold. Try some -40, like what we just came out of. Then 25 will seem like a heat wave. At -40 your car seat feels like a rock and the first few rolls your tires thump as the flat spot at the bottom takes a bit of time to round out.

The BIG saving grace is it is quite dry over here. -20 with humidity will feel like -40 in a dry climate.


Rocket_thump-thump-thump_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 4 Jan 2010, 06:51 am
Thanks for that.

Look like some fun trails. Hey, where is the snow?  :lol:

Pretty funny saying 25 degrees is bitterly cold. Try some -40, like what we just came out of. Then 25 will seem like a heat wave. At -40 your car seat feels like a rock and the first few rolls your tires thump as the flat spot at the bottom takes a bit of time to round out.

The BIG saving grace is it is quite dry over here. -20 with humidity will feel like -40 in a dry climate.


Rocket_thump-thump-thump_Ronny

Rocket_Ronny,

Have you gone over the bars once too many times without a helmet?  :scratch:  I have never heard of -20 with humidity. I would call that a "special green" day for sure.  Special Green is the cross country ski wax that is used for the coldest temperatures.  Normally used as the glide-wax but below a certain temp it is also used as the kick-wax.

Darn,  you are making me cold just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 4 Jan 2010, 07:10 am
Thanks for that.

Look like some fun trails. Hey, where is the snow?  :lol:

Pretty funny saying 25 degrees is bitterly cold. Try some -40, like what we just came out of. Then 25 will seem like a heat wave. At -40 your car seat feels like a rock and the first few rolls your tires thump as the flat spot at the bottom takes a bit of time to round out.

The BIG saving grace is it is quite dry over here. -20 with humidity will feel like -40 in a dry climate.


Rocket_thump-thump-thump_Ronny

That's the NYC area for ya Ronny. 300 miles to the north, Burlington, Vermont had an alltime record of 32.9".  :o  Better ride that bike while you can Levi, winter has just started and your area is overdue for a dumping like all the major cities around you have already had.  8)
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 4 Jan 2010, 04:36 pm

I am knocking you Levi for being cold riding at 25 in the wind. I think it is great you are riding. Perhaps if I lived in a city I would stud my tires and ride, but for now I just ride in my head.

Don't think we do not go out when it is cold though. I rode my Scorpa Sy-250, 170 lbs of pure joy

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25077)

with a friend, the fellow on the right below,  when it was about 15 to 20 F in the back country. We ended up having to end the ride with a 14 mile trek down a road at 40-50 miles and hour and I was dressed kind of light. Have not been that cold in a looong time. I mean body shaking cold.

Or, we go quading in the winter.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25079)

That day was around 0 F. I am taking the picture. The guy on the right is an absolute AN-Ni-Mahl on the quad. I told him I don't think it is humanly possible to ride the trails faster than he does. We both ride Can Am 800s that go 70 miles an hour but I can not keep up to him at all. I white knuckle it just to try and keep up.

Not to mention skiing. Ever been on a chair lift at -10 F? Not fun.

But my thoughts are now drifting to a warmer time when I can get out my skate and roll in some bowls.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25080)

Ahhh. Now that's better.   :lol:



Rocket_seems to like wheels for some reason_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 7 Jan 2010, 06:06 am

Look what I found. A picture of my bike. Well almost. It's a 2007 and has a different fork. Mine has the Boxer World Cup on it instead.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=25156)

This bike just flows under you and gets out of the way. No matter how steep, or crazy it gets, this bikes inspires confidence. It's light and rails the corners. I love this thing.  :wink:

Here is a short review:
http://shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/shops/bikeactive/index.php?cat=Supreme_DH


Rocket_Ronny   Only going to -20 F tonight. Almost a heat wave.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Jan 2010, 01:04 pm
It looks like you have a heat wave! :lol:

That is a nice bike.  It only needs a 2-stroke engine and you can go moto. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 7 Jan 2010, 04:19 pm

Quote
That is a nice bike.  It only needs a 2-stroke engine and you can go moto

Ha, ha.

That is what the Scorpa Long Ride is for.

I do need to get a all mountain bike however. Right now I am using my wife's old Norco which I bought her 15 years ago. 32 lbs and no shocks. I like it though as it fits me nice.

For the kind of terrain we face cross country, lots of rough - with tree roots etc,  I want at least a 6" dual suspension bike. A Specialized Enduro, Rocky Mountain Slayer SXC, or Trek Remedy would do nicely.

This year has been hard financially for us with the financial downturn, so getting a xc bike seems a harder reach with all the other expenses we face. 

Off topic, but anyone else affected by the downturn? Hold on to your shorts as I see it getting a lot worse before getting better.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 7 Jan 2010, 10:27 pm
The Remedy is one of the best bikes I've ever rode. I had an Intense Uzzi VPX when I got the Remedy and was going to keep it for dh/fr, but after riding the Remedy a bit I realized it's a better gravity bike than the Uzzi 90% of the time. It's not as good of a plow bike, but that's all you're giving up. I just got the Session 88 a couple months ago, I might take it to a few dh races next year. It rides a lot like the Remedy.

I hear you about the economic downturn, our company has scaled back production for the 1st quarter of '10 and order intake is down.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 8 Jan 2010, 05:41 pm

Thanks Dave:

What Remedy do you have? Do you remember the cost, if not a military secret?

So how old are you to be riding Down Hill?

Ever since I turned 40 I have been counting backwards. So I am coming 32 this year.  :lol:  One of the oldest DH'ers I know of. I took it up last year to ride with my son.

The initiation rite for DH is called P-A-I-N !!!!  But I am sort of used to that being and old school skate boarder. Sure is a boat load of fun though.


Rocket_DH_Ronny

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 8 Jan 2010, 11:31 pm
The remedy was an '08 Remedy 7 I picked up after last x-mas for $1900. I hit a tree riding at Keystone this summer and seriously dented the frame and broke my arm. I got a crash replacement for 25% under dealer cost, so it's now a '09 Remedy 9. There's not a whole lot of parts left from original.

I turned 35 this year, been riding dh for a few years now, although the Session 88 is my first true dh bike. I used to skate when I was a kid, wish I would've got a bmx bike too... I've been a skiier since I was a kid and snowboarder since '93. I've been riding a mtb (trail bike) since '04 The broken arm was the first major injury I've got, hopefully the last. Riding DH is very physically demanding, I think you need to be in top shape physically and mentally to avoid injury. Wearing lots of pads helps too  :green:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Russell Dawkins on 9 Jan 2010, 01:06 am
Wow, Rocket R, that Scorpa SY-250 is one sweet looking trials bike!

I haven't been keeping up on these things recently, so I wasn't aware of its existence.

I bet it's a treat to ride.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Carlman on 9 Jan 2010, 03:59 am
I've ridden every day but 1 this week.. It's been a bit colder than I like.. Today was 30, brr.. but it got down to the 20's quickly double brrrrr.  It's neat riding over ice-puddles and leaves crunchy with ice, though. ;)

Glad you're getting out there.  I'm waiting on some toe warmers to come in the mail.  I've been using the chemical packets in my shoes for warmth.. working great!  My toes and fingers seem to be the most challenging things to keep warm.

BTW, I built up a single speed and have been riding that a lot too.. fun times!  (Fetish 26")

It's nice to burn the extra calories of it being cold.. keep on ridin'!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 10 Jan 2010, 01:15 am

Hi Russell:

Did you end up with a Metric Halo ULN 8 yet? I know you want one, me too. I  just put a 2D card in may 2882 and will do the same to the ULN-2. Metric Halo R U L E S.

Yes, the Scorpa is fun. I call it my Discovery Machine, as it takes me places that other bikes would not. It is the only trials bike I know of that has a seat, well sort of a seat, and an extra large tank. For a trials bike that is.

But I have to admit. Going motorless - gravity fed DH that is - down mountain, or resort, trails is even better.   8)

Did you ever ride trials? You should where you live.


Rocket_ULN 8_Ronny

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 10 Jan 2010, 01:49 am
Hey Carl,

Good to hear from you. What bike(s) do you have?

I rode my bike today @30F. :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Carlman on 10 Jan 2010, 02:32 am
I need to take some photos.. I have 3 bikes at the moment.. My main ride is an '08 Turner 5-spot in smoke black.  I just built up a Fetish Fixation single speed.. it's a super awesome dark blue w/ matte finish.  That has been a fun ride.
I also have a Scattante Roma touring bike I've converted to a Cyclocross.. what a money pit.  I wish I'd just bought a CX in the first place.  However, I'm not sure CX'ing is for me... I've got to give it a shot and haven't found anyone that wants to do it with me.. It's tough for me to get into new things without a friend's enthusiasm.

Good on ya for getting out there in this cold... I'm taking a break today.  I'll get back to it tomorrow.. should be in the mid 30's.. balmy! ha.  If I don't ride tomorrow I have to go to a baby shower.. so not really a choice at all. ;)

-C
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 10 Jan 2010, 02:44 am

Quote
I rode my bike today @30F. :lol:

Funny thing, we hit close to 40 F today. From -40 to 40. Now that's a temperature swing.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Feb 2010, 03:52 am
Here is a video that I took January 2010.  It was 20deg outside but felt like summer inside my jacket. :thumb:

Video was taken with two of my buddies with GoPro video cam.  Later in the end, you will see me wearing all black.
   
Cunningham Tundra January 2010 with Chute and Prancing
http://vimeo.com/9169965

"This video was taken during the cold days of January 2010 at Cunningham Park staring Chute and co-star Prancing Horse."

--Levi
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 3 Feb 2010, 04:21 am
Hey Levi, what's the music being played? It goes well with that video which was too cool to begin with.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Feb 2010, 04:35 am
Thanks Robin.  The first cut was "Rain U" by Alexie Aigui. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 3 Feb 2010, 04:44 am
Thanks buddy!  :wave:  I was a damn nice 20 minute ride from my Stressless recliner.  :duh:   :lol:  Let's do it again sometime.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: TomW16 on 3 Feb 2010, 04:45 am
Awesome video Levi.  It is inspiring and I need to get on my bike and ride but the snow is a little deeper here in Nebraska, which is unusual.  Thanks for sharing.

Tom
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 3 Feb 2010, 05:22 am

(http://www.specialized.com/OA_MEDIA/2010/bikes/9104-43_d.jpg)

I just purchased this bike.  Rockhopper SL 29er.  I almost got a Fisher X-Caliber with fox shocks and all that but it just wasn't meant to be.  That would have been so sweet.  I get the feeling that I should have just gotten the regular RH comp disc 29er instead of forking over the dough for the SL, but what's done is done  :|
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Feb 2010, 05:28 am
Nice bike.  My friends on the video are rolling with 29er and they are fast.  It is almost like cheating.  :lol:   Chasing 29er makes me a stronger rider for sure!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 3 Feb 2010, 05:39 am
Here is a video that I took January 2010.  It was 20deg outside but felt like summer inside my jacket. :thumb:

Video was taken with two of my buddies with GoPro video cam.  Later in the end, you will see me wearing all black.
   
Cunningham Tundra January 2010 with Chute and Prancing
http://vimeo.com/9169965

"This video is taken during the cold days of January 2010 at Cunningham Park staring Chute and co-star Prancing Horse."

--Levi

Video and music.....pretty cool Levi.... :beer:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 3 Feb 2010, 05:47 am
Yeah, I saw some of those roots and trunks you guys were rolling over.  Scary!  But you guys made it look so easy.   :thumb:

I do like the 29er.  I imagine that I feel much more stable at slow speeds on it.  I don't think I would ever get a 26" bike again.  Actually, I hope never to get a bike again for at least 10-20 years.  I feel like I didn't make a smart purchase vs. the deal I could have gotten on the Fisher ($430 off MSRP on an 09.)  It would have been like getting the fox shock and sram x7/x9 for free.  They just didn't have it in my size.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Feb 2010, 05:55 am
Thanks Chris.  Music sounds familiar huh.  8)

In my opinion, 29er suits taller riders.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 3 Feb 2010, 06:03 am
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Music sounds familiar huh.

Sure does... :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 3 Feb 2010, 06:33 am
I think I'm lucky I'm just built the way I am, as far as that goes.  At 5'10" but with a relatively short inseam, I would have thought I should fit a medium on a 29er but I still fit best on a Large 19".  I think even someone 5'5-5'7 could easily ride a 29er with the right geometry.  Maybe even shorter if riding a Fisher frame.  I suspect the handling will feel "slow" to someone who wants the agility of a regular mountain bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Feb 2010, 12:27 pm
I think you hit it right in the head of the nail. ;)  Shorter than 5' 4" riders should go custom built frame if they want a truly great 29er.  Gary Fisher frame/fork combination would be an exception to smaller riders.

The Rockhopper SL 29 is a great bike. 

I think I'm lucky I'm just built the way I am, as far as that goes.  At 5'10" but with a relatively short inseam, I would have thought I should fit a medium on a 29er but I still fit best on a Large 19".  I think even someone 5'5-5'7 could easily ride a 29er with the right geometry.  Maybe even shorter if riding a Fisher frame.  I suspect the handling will feel "slow" to someone who wants the agility of a regular mountain bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 3 Feb 2010, 02:06 pm
I read somewhere that 29ers are far more popular on the east coast than the west coast...which surprised me because it seems like east coast riding would be where having a smaller, more agile bike would be more advantageous...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 3 Feb 2010, 02:13 pm
That looks like some well worn in smooth singletrack.  I've driven by that park so many times and never knew it was there. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 3 Feb 2010, 02:15 pm
I read somewhere that 29ers are far more popular on the east coast than the west coast...which surprised me because it seems like east coast riding would be where having a smaller, more agile bike would be more advantageous...
I am dubious about the advantages of 29ers.  But then I have never ridden one.  I hope to take a demo bike out this Spring.  I am concerned about the long wheelbase, weight and less than sprightly feel of the 29ers.  Guess I'll find out. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 3 Feb 2010, 04:32 pm
I am dubious about the advantages of 29ers.  But then I have never ridden one.  I hope to take a demo bike out this Spring.  I am concerned about the long wheelbase, weight and less than sprightly feel of the 29ers.  Guess I'll find out.

Yes, I've never ridden one either, so impossible to judge.  Hoping to try one soon...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: G.Michael on 3 Feb 2010, 06:24 pm
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In my opinion, 29er suits taller riders.

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I feel like I didn't make a smart purchase vs. the deal I could have gotten on the Fisher ($430 off MSRP on an 09.)  It would have been like getting the fox shock and sram x7/x9 for free.  They just didn't have it in my size.

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I am dubious about the advantages of 29ers.  But then I have never ridden one.  I hope to take a demo bike out this Spring.  I am concerned about the long wheelbase, weight and less than sprightly feel of the 29ers.  Guess I'll find out. 


I'm 6'2" and ride an ‘09 Cannondale single speed 29er, XL frame.  It does roll along, but I agree that it's not as nimble as the nice 26" MTBs I've ridden.  To me, it's more than a matter of height when choosing the 29er--Weight is also a big factor.  I weight about 200 lbs, and the bigger wheels do better rolling greater mass across logs and rocks.  Yeah, a 29er is sort of the “big ride” of mountain bikes, but what a big ride it is!

I did have an ‘08 Gary Fisher X-Caliber (a 29er) that I sold after I went single-speed.  Nice bike, but I wouldn’t assume that it’s clearly superior to a Specialized Rockhopper SL 29er…Specialized makes some really nice bikes.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 4 Feb 2010, 02:26 am
I've demo'ed a few 29ers and they have their pros and cons. Most of the rolling advantage is actually in techy climbs, but they smooth out the dh a bit more than a 26er. One catch 22 is that 29ers may suit bigger riders better, but the selection of forks, wheels and tires don't really suit heavier riders on rocky and rough terrain and 29ers flex more than 26ers. Most people who are into downhill riding do not like 29ers. A 26er has the potential to have stronger, lighter wheels and tires and a better suspension. A 29er can maintain momentum over rough ground better. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Feb 2010, 03:40 am
The Cunningham Park officially opened on Summer of 2008.  The many trails existed without permission from the NYC Parks.  CLIMB.org now maintains the mtb park.

http://www.climbonline.org/pdf/cunningham_park.pdf


That looks like some well worn in smooth singletrack.  I've driven by that park so many times and never knew it was there. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Feb 2010, 03:46 am
I totally agree. 

In addition, the 29 since it rolls much better you go faster than 26. 

I've demo'ed a few 29ers and they have their pros and cons. Most of the rolling advantage is actually in techy climbs, but they smooth out the dh a bit more than a 26er. One catch 22 is that 29ers may suit bigger riders better, but the selection of forks, wheels and tires don't really suit heavier riders on rocky and rough terrain and 29ers flex more than 26ers. Most people who are into downhill riding do not like 29ers. A 26er has the potential to have stronger, lighter wheels and tires and a better suspension. A 29er can maintain momentum over rough ground better. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 4 Feb 2010, 04:45 am
I started getting interested in 29ers because I will probably put in most of my miles on the road, me being physically unable to tackle the technical challenges of your average singletrack.  Plus, all the trails around here are, in my mind, all uphill one way and all downhill the other, and I don't feel up to that challenge.  However, the large wheels seem like an absolute advantage on the road with the lower rolling resistance, and I actually like the very slightly numb way it handles.  I'm not the most confident rider and the stability is great when I'm sharing a sidewalk with pedestrians or have to avoid a telephone pole.  I haven't actually taken a 29er off pavement yet, but so far, on the road, the 29er fits my preference to a T.

The Fisher was a much better deal.  For just $200 more, I would have gotten a fox shock and x7/x9 all around.  While I will never use the fox shock the way it's meant to be used, I did really like the x7/x9.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Feb 2010, 05:36 am
Just an fyi...my video that you saw with logs and jumps are diamond trails and difficult trails.  They do have easy trails, average singletrack and pave paths.  It is there so when your skill level and confidence are up, you eventually can hit the diamond trails.  :)

You will get better if you ride with better riders. 

I started getting interested in 29ers because I will probably put in most of my miles on the road, me being physically unable to tackle the technical challenges of your average singletrack.  Plus, all the trails around here are, in my mind, all uphill one way and all downhill the other, and I don't feel up to that challenge.  However, the large wheels seem like an absolute advantage on the road with the lower rolling resistance, and I actually like the very slightly numb way it handles.  I'm not the most confident rider and the stability is great when I'm sharing a sidewalk with pedestrians or have to avoid a telephone pole.  I haven't actually taken a 29er off pavement yet, but so far, on the road, the 29er fits my preference to a T.

The Fisher was a much better deal.  For just $200 more, I would have gotten a fox shock and x7/x9 all around.  While I will never use the fox shock the way it's meant to be used, I did really like the x7/x9.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 5 Feb 2010, 02:36 am

If you want to know what turns my crank and get's my heart pumpen, then check out this sic video. This is what I aspire to and hope one day to come close to. Maybe in a couple of years on my 50th.  8)

http://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Blindside.cfm

Make sure to click the enlarge button if you have high speed.

Downhill mountain biking is addictive like crack, and twice as expensive.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 5 Feb 2010, 03:28 am
Those guys are smart, wearing helmets and protective gear.  The average downhill/freeride video I see on youtube consists of a guy in his t-shirt falling off a mountain side.

Levi, looks like you guys have some great trails and parks over there.  I'm not aware of anything like that here in LA.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Feb 2010, 04:09 am
We do have lots of parks and great trails.  I help maintain it too. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Carlman on 13 Feb 2010, 10:05 pm
I'll be bringing my bike to NY this summer, then.. I'm planning a trip to NJ this summer.. so why not? ;) 

As to the 29er thing.. I bought a Stumpjumper 29er hard tail and was pretty dissapointed.  Stumpies used to be the cat's pajamas but unless you're 150 lbs., it is way too flexy and used cheap wheels.  The whole bike would lash under my 220 lb. body and ended up being a pretty harsh ride.  I tried to love it.. but couldn't.  The whole 29er thing was eclipsed by the poor choice of bikes for my riding needs.  In the end, I found 26" bikes fit me better in general.. but I'll take a 29er with a stiff frame and wheels over a flexy cheap 26" bike any day. 

It's rarely an apples to apples comparison when people talk about a 29er vs. a 26er.  It's the new bike vs. the old... and will vary greatly.  I have since ridden a few more 29er's and find that they do have a 'feel' to them that is not like a 26.  I can ride either fine.. but I don't like the extra height of the 29er... I've got 29/30" inseam and I like a compact riding position.  The 29'er feels more suited to a stretched-out riding position.. or a longer rider to me.  So, it's just not for me.. Plus there is a limited amount of gear for 29ers (especially forks and tires) that makes it tough when you're re-introducing yourself to biking and still trying to dial it all in..

I didn't mean to ramble on.. but so be it.. that's my thoughts on 29'ers.. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 13 Feb 2010, 10:23 pm
We do have lots of parks and great trails.  I help maintain it too. :)

Hey Levi, have you been to the park with a snow shovel that bike path lately?  :jester:   Funny what a difference a few weeks makes. Wasn't that long ago when you were riding and I was shoveling. Now folks are shoveling from NYC to Dallas, Tx yet here in Vermont, the ground is bare & the grass is turning green. I sure do miss shoveling terribly.  :eyebrows:
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Feb 2010, 12:03 am
I have not gone to the trails after the major snow storm.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: satfrat on 14 Feb 2010, 12:36 am
I have not gone to the trails after the major snow storm.

How much snow do you figure there is out there Levi? We got bare trails  up here in the valleys and plenty of snow in the mountains of Vermont,, til the next snowstorm makes it up the coast to us that is.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Feb 2010, 01:03 am
I am not sure. I heard it was unridable in some places.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Feb 2010, 03:51 am
I agree with you as far as the fitment and the way you feel about the bike.  That is very important. 


I'll be bringing my bike to NY this summer, then.. I'm planning a trip to NJ this summer.. so why not? ;) 

As to the 29er thing.. I bought a Stumpjumper 29er hard tail and was pretty dissapointed.  Stumpies used to be the cat's pajamas but unless you're 150 lbs., it is way too flexy and used cheap wheels.  The whole bike would lash under my 220 lb. body and ended up being a pretty harsh ride.  I tried to love it.. but couldn't.  The whole 29er thing was eclipsed by the poor choice of bikes for my riding needs.  In the end, I found 26" bikes fit me better in general.. but I'll take a 29er with a stiff frame and wheels over a flexy cheap 26" bike any day. 

It's rarely an apples to apples comparison when people talk about a 29er vs. a 26er.  It's the new bike vs. the old... and will vary greatly.  I have since ridden a few more 29er's and find that they do have a 'feel' to them that is not like a 26.  I can ride either fine.. but I don't like the extra height of the 29er... I've got 29/30" inseam and I like a compact riding position.  The 29'er feels more suited to a stretched-out riding position.. or a longer rider to me.  So, it's just not for me.. Plus there is a limited amount of gear for 29ers (especially forks and tires) that makes it tough when you're re-introducing yourself to biking and still trying to dial it all in..

I didn't mean to ramble on.. but so be it.. that's my thoughts on 29'ers.. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 15 Feb 2010, 12:06 am
I'm not very demanding of the bike, so flex is a foreign word to me.  :scratch:  I've gone on some fun rides but haven't done any off road, yet.  I'm worried my local singletrack will be too difficult.  Btw, the new rockhoppers use the old stumpy m4 frame.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: drphoto on 16 Feb 2010, 05:09 am
Anyone know if there are still suspension forks available for the old oversize Cannondale head tubes from the early 90's? I'd like to start riding again.  I don't want to spend for a new ride, but the Manitou 3 fork on mine is shot (dead elastomers) and there are no replacement parts. Plus the travel of that fork is laughable by today's standards.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Carlman on 16 Feb 2010, 05:11 pm
I'm not very demanding of the bike, so flex is a foreign word to me.  :scratch:  I've gone on some fun rides but haven't done any off road, yet.  I'm worried my local singletrack will be too difficult.  Btw, the new rockhoppers use the old stumpy m4 frame.
When you do become demanding, frame stiffness will matter a lot.  When I rode through a rock garden on an ultra stiff frame, I was sold.  I have since enjoyed trails like Sourland in NJ.  I have since learned that what I do is called 'all mountain' biking, and not so much XC.  XC riders are typically fast... but they like less technical, more flowy trail systems.  "All mountain" means more technical, more extreme riding style.. and makes the bike kind of a cross between XC and downhill... kind of.. A really nice all mountain bike can weigh up to 30 lbs.. where as an XC of similar quality would weigh 25. 
Rockhoppers are a great place to start.. just keep riding it.. I rode something similar when I raced 20 years ago... just depends on what you need and can afford.  After a while, you will find that nicer bikes make it easier to ride harder stuff, though.. just like there's midfi and hifi... there's mid-level bikes and high-end... something for everyone.. and the 'does it make a difference arguments' as well. ;)

-C
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 17 Feb 2010, 12:11 am
Anyone know if there are still suspension forks available for the old oversize Cannondale head tubes from the early 90's? I'd like to start riding again.  I don't want to spend for a new ride, but the Manitou 3 fork on mine is shot (dead elastomers) and there are no replacement parts. Plus the travel of that fork is laughable by today's standards.

What diameter is the headset?  Early 90s is when the standard was still 1"...White Brothers offers suspension forks with a 1" steerer...

http://www.whitebrotherscycling.com/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 17 Feb 2010, 01:03 am
Anyone know if there are still suspension forks available for the old oversize Cannondale head tubes from the early 90's? I'd like to start riding again.  I don't want to spend for a new ride, but the Manitou 3 fork on mine is shot (dead elastomers) and there are no replacement parts. Plus the travel of that fork is laughable by today's standards.

I think they're 1.5 headtubes, which is a currently used standard. However, I can't recommend putting a longer travel fork on that frame. Those frames weren't known for their strength (these frames gave them the nickname "crack 'n' fail"), and a longer fork will put even more stress on the headtube. If it breaks off while you're hauling down a hill there will be carnage. You're better off buying a more modern, lightly used bike than trying to resurrect a nearly 20 year old frame that is known to fail, and it'll cost less in the long run anyway.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 17 Feb 2010, 01:09 am
If you want to know what turns my crank and get's my heart pumpen, then check out this sic video. This is what I aspire to and hope one day to come close to. Maybe in a couple of years on my 50th.  8)

http://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Blindside.cfm

Make sure to click the enlarge button if you have high speed.

Downhill mountain biking is addictive like crack, and twice as expensive.


Rocket_Ronny

DH is the ultimate form of mt. biking, IMO.  :thumb:  It makes xc riding seem like a walk in the park.

Also, it's not nearly as expensive as auto racing, so there is that...

If you're in CO send me an email. I know of few fun places to take the DH bike nearly year-round. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 17 Feb 2010, 01:19 am
DH is the ultimate form of mt. biking, IMO.  :thumb:  It makes xc riding seem like a walk in the park.

Also, it's not nearly as expensive as auto racing, so there is that...

If you're in CO send me an email. I know of few fun places to take the DH bike nearly year-round.

It's not "real mountain biking" if it doesn't include an uphill climb... :P
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 17 Feb 2010, 01:55 am
It's not "real mountain biking" if it doesn't include an uphill climb... :P

It's not called "uphilling" for a reason :wink:

DH requires a high level of physical conditioning just to be able to ride a dh bike on a dh trail. It takes a really strong and skilled rider to stay on the bike for more than 2-3 minutes at a time. It's the most demanding thing, both physically and mentally that I've ever done.

I love trail riding too, but for different reasons. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: drphoto on 17 Feb 2010, 04:01 am
Dave, Really? 'dales were known to fail? I rode the crap out of this thing for at least 3 seasons w/ no problems. I'm NOT arguing w/ you, I'd just never heard there was an issue. Sure hate to scrap it, as it is full XT w/ a lot of upgrade parts. But of course, I don't want to end up in the hospital, especially as I work in one!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 17 Feb 2010, 04:13 am
Dave, Really? 'dales were known to fail? I rode the crap out of this thing for at least 3 seasons w/ no problems. I'm NOT arguing w/ you, I'd just never heard there was an issue. Sure hate to scrap it, as it is full XT w/ a lot of upgrade parts. But of course, I don't want to end up in the hospital, especially as I work in one!

They did have some issues, some of their frames were pushing the limit of lightness. I don't know which frames in particular had issues, but I know it began somewhere around the early-mid 90's. The other issue with old alum. frames is that alum. has a finite fatigue life, so it will fail eventually, but the lifespan can vary greatly depending on how much it's stressed and how often. Putting a modern fork on an old, lightweight aluminum frame regardless of who made it isn't a good idea because it increases stress on the headtube, likely past what the mfg. originally designed it for. I'd save it for riding around town, and buy a newer bike for off road.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: James Romeyn on 17 Feb 2010, 05:07 am
Can't wait for the snow to melt on my trail (Bonneville Shoreline) in Cache Valley, north Utah...runs N-S about 1/3rd up from the base of the Wasatch Range, the northernmost range of the Rocky Mtns.

View of the trail from my backyard
  (http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg105/ro7939/Bonneville%20Shoreline%20Trail/allimages049.jpg?t=1266382551)

View of Cache Valley and the Wellsville Mtns westward, from the trail, through the wildlife fence (actual view spans about 180 degrees N-S, my house is a bit N, Duke & Lori LeJeune live about 25 mins further N in ID)...wildlife are usually stuck on the canyon side E of the fence, but late last year a herd of about six deer including a few bucks with good points were on the W side of the fence (the city side) when I came barreling down the trail on the opposite/E/wildlife side of the fence...at first the deer ran anxiously just a few feet away on the other side of the fence, looking for an opening to get on my side and run up the canyon...not finding an opening they ran down the hill away from me...the sound was huge, the earth rumbling from their combined mass.  A real treat! 

 (http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg105/ro7939/Bonneville%20Shoreline%20Trail/allimages041.jpg?t=1266382784)


Sold the full susp 26 for a nice Fuji HT 29er and will never go back to a 26 again (6-3, 235)


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 17 Feb 2010, 12:05 pm
It's not called "uphilling" for a reason :wink:

DH requires a high level of physical conditioning just to be able to ride a dh bike on a dh trail. It takes a really strong and skilled rider to stay on the bike for more than 2-3 minutes at a time. It's the most demanding thing, both physically and mentally that I've ever done.

I love trail riding too, but for different reasons.

I know DH is very demanding.  But imho, the "ultimate" form of mountain biking has to include the uphill....otherwise, how are you getting to the starting line of a downhill run?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 17 Feb 2010, 12:51 pm
I am not sure about the skill set needed for DH.  90% the bike doing all the work for you.  :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 17 Feb 2010, 01:29 pm
They did have some issues, some of their frames were pushing the limit of lightness. I don't know which frames in particular had issues, but I know it began somewhere around the early-mid 90's. The other issue with old alum. frames is that alum. has a finite fatigue life, so it will fail eventually, but the lifespan can vary greatly depending on how much it's stressed and how often. Putting a modern fork on an old, lightweight aluminum frame regardless of who made it isn't a good idea because it increases stress on the headtube, likely past what the mfg. originally designed it for. I'd save it for riding around town, and buy a newer bike for off road.

Hi Joe,

Dave's advice is very good.  They make headset adapters that will alow you to use a new fork on your old Cannondale (assuming you have one of those fat 1.5 headtubes) but the cost of a new fork and headset adapter will set you back about as much as you would pay for a decent bike on Craigslist or a good tradein at your LBS.  Plus you would be left with a new fork on an old frame made of aluminum which is known to crack after years of use.  Since you have decent parts, why not look for a good frame and fork and swap your parts?  You could probably sell your Cannondale frame and put the money towards the upgrade.  I saw a Gunnar (Waterford) steel frame on my local CL for under $300, with a decent fork. A good steel frame will last you a long time if you take steps to prevent rust. 

Lastly, do you have a 1 inch steerer or a 1.5"?  The 1 inch is old-school and you may be able to find a used fork that will work.  It will be short travel (which isn't a bad thing for your bike) and not modern but you may be able to find a decent replacement for cheap.  If it's 1.5 inch it's a different story.  Either way, I'd search for a good frame and fork and swap your parts (if your wheels, brakes, etc.) are in good shape and high quality.  I have an old Cannondale from the mid-90's with a Headshok and when it goes will probably switch to a 29'er. 

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 17 Feb 2010, 03:50 pm
Lastly, do you have a 1 inch steerer or a 1.5"?  The 1 inch is old-school and you may be able to find a used fork that will work.  It will be short travel (which isn't a bad thing for your bike) and not modern but you may be able to find a decent replacement for cheap.  If it's 1.5 inch it's a different story.  Either way, I'd search for a good frame and fork and swap your parts (if your wheels, brakes, etc.) are in good shape and high quality.  I have an old Cannondale from the mid-90's with a Headshok and when it goes will probably switch to a 29'er. 

Cheers,

J

FYI - my mtb is from the early 90s and needs a 1" steerer for the fork.  Have trolled around eBay and have found the occassional used fork with 1" steerer, but it has been a challenge to find one in good shape.  In addition to the 1" diameter, I have also needed it to be threaded, and support caliper brakes (it needs a cable-hanger). 

White Brothers offers all of its forks with 1" steerers, but not with a cable-hanger...so if you have V-brakes or disc brakes, they will work for you...

http://www.whitebrotherscycling.com/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 17 Feb 2010, 04:05 pm
FYI - my mtb is from the early 90s and needs a 1" steerer for the fork.  Have trolled around eBay and have found the occassional used fork with 1" steerer, but it has been a challenge to find one in good shape.  In addition to the 1" diameter, I have also needed it to be threaded, and support caliper brakes (it needs a cable-hanger). 

White Brothers offers all of its forks with 1" steerers, but not with a cable-hanger...so if you have V-brakes or disc brakes, they will work for you...

http://www.whitebrotherscycling.com/

Hi Phil, I love White Brothers gear, but, unless he finds a great deal on a used fork, don't know if it's worth putting a high $$$ fork on an old Cannondale.  I'd probably try to get someone to repair the old fork to squeeze a couple years out of it or buy a used bike.  There are lots of great used deals.  Maybe get a frame and fork and use his old components.  I'm on the lookout for something similar but may just get a cross bike instead.  I passed on some great cross bike deals (Lemond Poprad) and all of the ones I've seen recently are too high priced. 

Cheers,

J

PS - Can't wait until the weather gets warmer so I can start riding.  I'm going to ride a lot this year and may even get some custom wheels and a Powertap. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 17 Feb 2010, 06:03 pm
Phil and Levi, go rent a dh bike and ride at a ski resort for a couple days and get back to me.  :eyebrows:   I can guarantee you a dh bike does not ride itsself. Trying to explain it is like trying to explain the difference between a Bose Lifestyle sub/sat system and a true hifi system to someone who has never heard anything better than Bose.

How to get to the top? Pedal, chairlift or shuttle vehicle (yes, you can pedal a dh bike uphill, it just takes more effort). Same way skiers and snowboarders get to the top...



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 17 Feb 2010, 07:27 pm

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I am not sure about the skill set needed for DH.  90% the bike doing all the work for you.  :)


Levi:

Did you watch the video clip? There is a tremendous amount of skill shown there. The rider is so talented and fluid that it looks easy.

Not to mention that at any time he could bite it hard. So now you have to factor in the mental component of conquering fear and building confidence, etc.

I would say that regular mountain biking can certainly be more cardio involved, esp. on big up hills, but make no mistake, when going hard core downhill, it's a work out, and not a small one. It's kind of like mogul skiing, or skate boarding in a bowl. A tremendous amount of leg compression and decompression.

Best of all, it's just such a blast. Well, until you smack a tree, or some rock.  :o

Pain is the initiation rite for DH.   :thumb:

Even so, I still love cross country biking. Getting out in the bush on a bike. Love it. Riding a bike on pavement however, feels like being a city. And I don't like cities.


Rocket_Ronny

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 17 Feb 2010, 07:37 pm
It is just like my XC video.  Those logs looks smooth isn't it.  :lol:  I started as a BMX rider so I know to execute a big jump, skinnies, log rolls and such.

I saw the clip.  Not everyone has skill set and smooth as the guy on the clip.  You can enjoy DH without having such skills.  Just let the bike do 90% of the work.  For me, walking a DH bike is hard work.  Period.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 17 Feb 2010, 07:46 pm
Downhill riding is an absolute blast.  Unfortunately, being from IL doesn't afford any downhill runs unless I'm willing to get on a plane.  Years ago, I rented a bike in Colorado and did some downhill biking in Keystone.  The mid-level runs were nighmare scary for me and my group and extremely technically challenging.  Everyone in my group crashed but only one guy had to be taken to the hospital for broken ribs.  He was an inexperienced rider and had no business on the hill anyway!  Also, I still remember the pain of removing my bloody jersey after taking an endo on my first steep switchback!  Skidding down the steep rocky hill on my back.  Downhill provides lots of incentive to improve your technical riding ability. 

In my limited experience, downhill biking is not the best cardio workout but was the most technical, frightening and exciting biking I have ever done.  Like riding a dirtbike all day, you get a good workout-beating. I've gotten my road bike up to over 40+ mph but that was tame compared to flying down a steep mountain switchback on a DH specific bike.  You guys who live in areas where you can do this kind of biking are so lucky! 

All this bike talk is making me crazy.  Road cycling is a better workout than DH, and I'm getting too old for the beating I took rinding MTB crosscountry, but I really enjoy all kinds of biking and hope to do more of each kind this summer.  I can't wait until it's 40F (or at least high 30's) so I can get back out!  Riding a trainer is making me lose my mind.   :cry:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ctviggen on 17 Feb 2010, 07:56 pm
Even so, I still love cross country biking. Getting out in the bush on a bike. Love it. Riding a bike on pavement however, feels like being a city. And I don't like cities.


Rocket_Ronny

I used to mountain bike (cross country), but no longer.  It simply takes too long to find a suitable place to go in CT.  By the time I drive somewhere fun to go and drive back (not to mention pack, unpack, etc.), I can be done riding my racing bike on the pavement.  Typically, racing biking is as hard or harder (since I'm in a hilly area), but mountain biking is more fun.  Alas, I likely won't go mountain biking this year, as I have too much to do and can't take the extra time it takes.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: TomW16 on 17 Feb 2010, 09:46 pm
I am forced to be a cross country rider now that I live in Nebraska, which is not known for its mountains but I love to go downhill.  I suffer through the uphill climbs so that I can enjoy the downhill.  When I lived in Phoenix, I rode a trail called "National" and thought that there was no way that anyone could ride sections of it and then I saw some downhillers ride it.  I was in complete awe.

Does downhilling take skill to ride steep technical terrain?  I think so but what is required even more than skill, in my opinion, is guts.  I used to have it when I was younger but now I'll admire those who think that they are indestructable.

I ride a full suspension Special 98 Tomac and can't justify any more suspension than what I have.

Cheers,
Tom
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 18 Feb 2010, 12:28 am

Does downhilling take skill to ride steep technical terrain?  I think so but what is required even more than skill, in my opinion, is guts.  I used to have it when I was younger but now I'll admire those who think that they are indestructable.


Cheers,
Tom

There's typically only 3 degrees difference in head angle between a dh and trail bike, 1" lower bottom bracket, .5" longer chainstays, and 2-3" more suspension travel. This makes it more forgiving on steep terrain, but it's not going to ride its self down the hill. You still need the same skills and technique as any other mt. bike. Confidence comes from experience, and to ride a difficult dh trail you need a lot of practice, and need to progress from easier to more difficult riding gradually. To be able to ride terrain like that safely, you need to have a mental picture of exactly how your bike will behave and what path it will take well in advance of actually riding it. If you can't see the line and how to ride it, it's best to stop and scope it out until you feel confident you can pull it off, or you need to walk it.

Some of the more difficult dh trails will max out your heart rate and send large amounts of muscle mass into the anerobic realm within a couple minutes. More skills make it physically easier, but a difficult dh course at race speed is very physically demanding. We have some hills in CO that make the double diamond runs at Keystone seem easy, and will challenge your physical ability, skills, and mental toughness.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 22 Mar 2010, 04:54 am
Somewhat OT but I didn't want to create a new thread.

I swapped out my mtb stubbies on my rockhopper 29er for some 1.5" semi-slicks.  Now, my bottom bracket is so low that I scrape my pedals going over speed bumps and I can only slightly turn before I need to raise my inside pedal.  I didn't expect this and it has really disappointed me.  I was really hoping to be able to use the super cheap $7 WTB semi-slicks.  Is there no decent way around this?  I originally wanted to outfit the bike with Schwalbe Big Apples but was turned off because of the price.  Do you guys think I could get away with using just one Big Apple on the rear?  Since the bottom bracket is much closer to the rear wheel, maybe that would provide enough clearance.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 22 Mar 2010, 11:06 am
Somewhat OT but I didn't want to create a new thread.

I swapped out my mtb stubbies on my rockhopper 29er for some 1.5" semi-slicks.  Now, my bottom bracket is so low that I scrape my pedals going over speed bumps and I can only slightly turn before I need to raise my inside pedal.  I didn't expect this and it has really disappointed me.  I was really hoping to be able to use the super cheap $7 WTB semi-slicks.  Is there no decent way around this?  I originally wanted to outfit the bike with Schwalbe Big Apples but was turned off because of the price.  Do you guys think I could get away with using just one Big Apple on the rear?  Since the bottom bracket is much closer to the rear wheel, maybe that would provide enough clearance.

That's really surprising...what kind of tires were you using before?  I'm very surprised that the profiles of the tires would be so different, and moreso that it would result in clearance issues.  How long are your cranks?  Are they the ones that came with the bike?

Using a tire with a taller profile in the back than in the front will change your geometry (ie. it will raise your seat and steepen your head and seat angles)...in essence, you might feel a little "leaned forward", especially if the difference in tire profile is as large as it sounds.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Mar 2010, 02:08 pm
Something is really odd here with your clearance problem.  Make sure you have enough air in your shocks.  Decreasing the sag on your shocks will enable you to have higher bb height.  Changing your pedals proves helpfull.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 23 Mar 2010, 08:57 am
Stock tires are 2.2".  I assume this means a total bb height reduction of roughly 1.5".  I believe the stock cranks are 180mm but don't quote me on that.  The shock has minimal sag.  My co-worker (avid cyclist) thinks I'm just being finicky.  I will try my little mt. climb and if I really feel like I'm going to die from not raising my inside pedal in time while zipping down hill, I'll put the stock mtb tire back on the rear before I commit to the big apples on the rear.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 23 Mar 2010, 12:39 pm
Assuming that you are talking about a 2.2" profile height, and your new tires have a 1.5" profile height, that would only result in a .7" height change for your bottom bracket...probably not enough to really change the pedal clearance as much as you're saying (as others have mentioned, shock travel or even tire pressure could have that much effect and shouldn't change your pedal clearance that much).

That said, 180mm is a very long crank, and not a length I've ever seen on a stock bike...is that common on a 29er?  On 26ers, stock cranks are usually 170mm or 175mm...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Mar 2010, 12:44 pm
I agree.  180mm is very long crank arm length.  You must have long legs.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 23 Mar 2010, 01:30 pm
Yeah, the two of you are right.  I don't know the length of the crank.  There is no suspension sag to speak of, however.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 23 Mar 2010, 06:52 pm
Maybe you can post a photo of the bike?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: twitch54 on 23 Mar 2010, 07:18 pm
With regars to biking off road.....any 'Rails to Trails' riders in the group ?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 23 Mar 2010, 10:11 pm
Unfortunately there are very few Rails to Trails areas near my home.  Argon Labs has some nice limestone trails but I haven't been there in a while.  I need to dust off my MTB!  I've been doing lots of road cycling lately (20+ miles each night for the past couple days and 40+ per day on the weekend) but I look forward to getting some trail riding in. 

Guys, please post pictures if you have a chance.  It's so cool to see some of the beautiful areas on both coasts where you guys ride!  My area is pretty flat except for a cool mountain bike area in Palos and Oswego.  I'll post pix the next time I go to a noteworthy place.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 23 Mar 2010, 11:28 pm
Many crank arms are stamped with the length on the inside of the arm.  If not, measure the arm from center to center.  That is from the center of the bottom bracket spindle where it attaches to the arm to the center of the pedal where it attaches to the arm.

Yeah, the two of you are right.  I don't know the length of the crank.  There is no suspension sag to speak of, however.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 Mar 2010, 12:36 am
For Shimano the lenght and model is stamped in the back near the spindle mounts.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_6120.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 24 Mar 2010, 01:16 am
The crank is 175mm.  Debating if I should try my usual route this evening...

I rode my usual route.  I'm afraid to push the turns hard, but it's definitely doable.  I only scraped the pedals once and it wasn't until I was already down the hill, so I think I will be able to live with this for a while, as long as I really pay attention to raising the inside pedal.  The problem is when it's a medium speed corner, like at an intersection, and I want to pedal through it.  That's when I'll forget myself and scrape really hard.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Mar 2010, 02:03 am
I rode my bike this weekend and took several pictures.  Just want to share how my bike looks like now.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_4986.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Bemopti123 on 30 Mar 2010, 02:09 am
I must get my head checked out, as I find excitement even in the most mundane mechanical/metal creations.  That is a sort of sexy, military looking bike, Levi.  Good lookin'.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Mike Nomad on 30 Mar 2010, 02:26 am
Lots of good information on this thread. Thanks to all.

I didn't realize what is considered "long" for crank arm length. I'm using the stock cranks (Tru ATV ?) that came with my '08 Haro SS Mary: 180mm. The rims are 29" (stock), and I haven't had any problems...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Mar 2010, 02:35 am
Thanks Paul for the military spec complement.  ;)

Mike, It all depends on your frame size.  If you put your 180mm cranks in my bike 16.5" (picture above), you will definitely have problems with ground clearance in rocky trails.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 30 Mar 2010, 03:32 am
Thanks Paul for the military spec complement.  ;)

Mike, It all depends on your frame size.  If you put your 180mm cranks in my bike 16.5" (picture above), you will definitely have problems with ground clearance in rocky trails.

True, and your knees will take a bigger beating.  You can account for the crank length by adjusting your gearing but if your cranks are too big it will be difficult to ride with a high cadence and put more pressure on your knees.  This is especially true in road cycling but MTB riders would have a similar problem when pedaling up hills.  My cranks are 175mm but my next set will be 172.5 or 170. 

Levi, cool bike.  What is the deal with that front gearing?  You have a triple pictured but the XTR on the bike appears to be a really small double.  Is that something new?  I've seen small rings on single speed bikes but your bike has gears.  It looks cool but I've not seen that on other bikes.  What's the deal?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Mar 2010, 03:57 am
Hi Jackman, you have keen eyes.  I converted my XTR and made it a 2x9.  I then replaced the 42 tooth ring with a 34 bash guard.  Most of the trails that I visit has lots of log jumps.  I have plenty enough tall gear for the trails running 11-32 in the back.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20BB/XTRcrank.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 30 Mar 2010, 08:11 am
How are you standing the bike up in the picture?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 30 Mar 2010, 01:04 pm
Lots of good information on this thread. Thanks to all.

I didn't realize what is considered "long" for crank arm length. I'm using the stock cranks (Tru ATV ?) that came with my '08 Haro SS Mary: 180mm. The rims are 29" (stock), and I haven't had any problems...

29er geometry usually has a slightly higher bottom-bracket height compared to a 26er, so you can put longer cranks on it...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 30 Mar 2010, 01:06 pm
Hi Jackman, you have keen eyes.  I converted my XTR and made it a 2x9.  I then replaced the 42 tooth ring with a 34 bash guard.  Most of the trails that I visit has lots of log jumps.  I have plenty enough tall gear for the trails running 11-32 in the back.


Wow...I went the other way...I put a 48T on for my big chain-ring...!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 30 Mar 2010, 01:08 pm
The crank is 175mm.  Debating if I should try my usual route this evening...

I rode my usual route.  I'm afraid to push the turns hard, but it's definitely doable.  I only scraped the pedals once and it wasn't until I was already down the hill, so I think I will be able to live with this for a while, as long as I really pay attention to raising the inside pedal.  The problem is when it's a medium speed corner, like at an intersection, and I want to pedal through it.  That's when I'll forget myself and scrape really hard.

Fwiw, it's generally regarded as good riding technique to put the outside pedal down (and inside pedal up) on a turn...this puts weight on the outside and keeps the bike from sliding if you are going at higher speeds.  That said, it doesn't help you much if you are pedaling thru the turn... :(

What kind of pedals are you using?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Mar 2010, 01:29 pm
The bike is standing on a peace of branch propped on the rear derailleur post. :)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Mike Nomad on 31 Mar 2010, 12:39 am
True, and your knees will take a bigger beating.  You can account for the crank length by adjusting your gearing but if your cranks are too big it will be difficult to ride with a high cadence and put more pressure on your knees.  This is especially true in road cycling but MTB riders would have a similar problem when pedaling up hills.  My cranks are 175mm but my next set will be 172.5 or 170. 

Thanks jackman & Phil NYC. I really am not used to thinking about this stuff. I've always been a bit of a knuckle-dragger when it comes to bikes: Try a bunch out in my price range, find one that feels good, and roll. If I want to go faster, I just peddle harder...

My quads take a pretty good hammering. I went from the original 32-20 gearing to 32-11. Much better. Starts still aren't slow, and now I've got some top. Yes, I (now) notice I have a lot more clearance at the... crankset housing (?) than I am used to w/ a 26" rim. Shorter crank arms should provide a more uniform "load" on the upper leg, right?

Thanks, again.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Mar 2010, 12:55 pm
... crankset housing (?)

That is your "bottom bracket"...

Quote
Shorter crank arms should provide a more uniform "load" on the upper leg, right?

For an in-depth discussion on proper crank length, see here:  http://www.myra-simon.com/bike/cranks.html
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 31 Mar 2010, 09:29 pm
Here is a brief article on crank lengty by Sheldon Brown (RIP).  It might not make a big difference on a mountain bike because you are not typically on the bike for as long and you might not travel as far as a road cyclist but if you are working on a high cadence (to take some pressure off your knees and use your cardio), shorter cranks - ones that fit you properly - will be easier on your knees.

I learned my lesson the hard way!  When I first started road biking, I was cranking big gears and low cadence on long distance rides.  My legs would usually be gassed within the first 45 minutes.  Once your legs are shot, it's hard to recover.  High cadence will put the "stress" on your cardio (versus your legs) and you can usually recover more quickly.  Try it sometime, especially if you have bad knees.  An inexpensive cadence computer (I have a wired Cateye) is a great tool to improve in this area. 

I've worked on turning circles and increasing my cadence (using lower gears) and smaller cranks are way easier on my knees and easier to turn circles.  In addition, since focusing on high cadence, I have no knee pain.  I don't know if most MTB riders climb in the saddle or out of it. If you climb out of the saddle, larger cranks might actually be preferable or differences in crank size might not be as noticeable, but for people turning lots of circles with higher cadence will notice the difference.   :thumb:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Mar 2010, 09:38 pm
I don't know if most MTB riders climb in the saddle or out of it. If you climb out of the saddle, larger cranks might actually be preferable or differences in crank size might not be as noticeable, but for people turning lots of circles with higher cadence will notice the difference.   :thumb:

MTB riders have to stay seated when climbing because they need to keep the rear wheel weighted down (if they get out of the saddle on a climb, the rear wheel can lose traction).  Longer cranks are helpful when powering over obstacles....
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Mike Nomad on 31 Mar 2010, 09:58 pm
That is your "bottom bracket"...

For an in-depth discussion on proper crank length, see here:  http://www.myra-simon.com/bike/cranks.html

Thanks for the terminology check, and the link. Great article. Yikes! according to the math, I should be using 165/167.5 instead of my 180s. That will make for an interesting experiment.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 4 Apr 2010, 03:21 am

Looks like we are buying our 11 year old daughter a nice used freeride bike. It is supposed to ship on Tuesday.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=28549)


It is a small, woman's specific, Transition Syren. She is going to totally rip on this thing. It has a 180 mm, 7", Totem air fork on it to gobble up the nastiest tree roots and rock gardens. It also has two chain rings on the crank to make it more all mountain. Bike weighs around 37 lbs. Check it out and the video on the Transition site. http://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Syren.cfm

It is hard to find a hard core bike like this that fits a girl 4'-11" tall. This is one of the few options.

She jumps her horse over 3 foot jumps so has a go for it attitude. I think she is going to make a great freeride rider. Of course she is going to have to keep up with pops, so will have to learn quick. Ha.  :lol:

Snow is almost melted and the bike fever is a stirring.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 4 Apr 2010, 03:34 am
Sorry, I forgot to post the link to Sheldon's website.  There is an article on cadence in this month's Bicycling magazine.  It just says higher cadence takes pressure off your knees and works your cardio more.  My comments about high cadence were in reference to this.  I have a cadence meter on my computer and try to keep my cadence between 80-90.  IME, it keeps my legs fresher and my knees pain-free.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cranks.html (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cranks.html)

Shorter cranks (ones that fit you properly) make pedaling circles easier and make a higher cadence easier to maintain.  This also creates a kind of pedaling momentum that helps you fight through patches where you are gassed.  This happened to me today during a particularly windy, uphill section. 

Over the past three days I've ridden over a hundred miles and tomorrow (7:00 am!) I'm going for a long ride 45+ miles with a fast group.  If I make it back alive, I'll try to post some comments and pictures (if I remember to bring my camera).  I hate getting up early but love the way it feels to finish a long ride.  Cheers and happy Easter to everyone who celebrates the holiday.

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 4 Apr 2010, 02:16 pm
We need a "Bicycling Road" thread... 8)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 4 Apr 2010, 04:33 pm
We need a "Bicycling Road" thread... 8)

I agree!  My group did 45 miles today, riding the country roads (and hills) west of my house.  It was a brutal ride and very fast with very strong wind.  Thankfully we had a strong tailwind to take us home.  Sustained stretches in the high 20's to low 30's on the way home.  I love road cycling!  Tomorrow is a day off! 

Sorry for the road talk in the off-road thread.  No more, I promise!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Apr 2010, 05:12 pm
I don't have a road bike yet.  However, I did a slow 50mile ride with "The Weekday Cyclists" last week and had a tour of Manhattan's perimeter.  It is a nice scenic ride.  An alternative ride when it was muddy on the trails. :)

Here is my data for the ride 4/1/2010
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weekday%20Cyclist/InwoodhillPark-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 20 Apr 2010, 04:21 pm
I just ordered spare Industry Nine Ultralite RACE wheelset.  This time, it will have a ZTR Podium MMX rims, blue hubs and black aluminum spokes.  It will take 5-6 weeks to build.  This wheelset will be in @1210 gram range so I am truly excited.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 20 Apr 2010, 04:47 pm
I just ordered spare Industry Nine Ultralite RACE wheelset.  This time, it will have a ZTR Podium MMX rims, blue hubs and black aluminum spokes.  It will take 5-6 weeks to build.  This wheelset will be in @1210 gram range so I am truly excited.  Stay tuned.

Be careful with them!  Weight is usually on a trade-off scale with durability, and those wheels are light!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 20 Apr 2010, 05:32 pm
Thanks Phil. This is going to be my 2nd I9 wheelset.  It has been over 6mos and no problem. It will also have an Enduro ceramic bearings. The old one is for my son's Litespeed.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhishPhan on 20 Apr 2010, 06:02 pm

Here's a pic of my MTB after a nice ride through the hills of southern Ohio.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=29254)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 20 Apr 2010, 06:06 pm
Nice bike!  I heard Ray's indoor MTB park is great!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhishPhan on 20 Apr 2010, 06:08 pm
Thanks. She's a blast to ride. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road - Torque wrench for your carbon fiber
Post by: Levi on 21 Apr 2010, 12:45 pm
Anyone using torque wrench on your carbon fiber seatpost and handlebars?  I find it a good practice to use a good torque wrench in conjunction with a carbon fiber paste (friction material).

In my opinion, the Effeto Mariposa Pro Torque Wrench is great for bicycles.  I used to use a good snap-on torque wrench and proves to have lots of leverage because it is primarily designed for cars.  The Effetto is built for bicycles and small enough to fit in tight spaces.  It can be bought individually.  Mine came with the extra bits.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/ProTorquewrench.jpg)
Effetto Mariposa Pro Torque wrench with extra bits

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Torqueseatbolts.jpg)
This is just to illustrate how well this works on tight spaces


Cheers!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: SET Man on 2 May 2010, 11:05 pm
Hey!

    So, how was the NY 5 Boro bike tour today? Did you have fun? :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 May 2010, 12:47 pm
The NY Bike Tour 2010 is great!  Had lots of fun meeting lots of nice people.  This is the first time it did not rain for me.  LOL.  Maybe will come back for next year! 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road - Torque wrench for your carbon fiber
Post by: bunnyma357 on 3 May 2010, 01:13 pm
Anyone using torque wrench on your carbon fiber seatpost and handlebars?  I find it a good practice to use a good torque wrench in conjunction with a carbon fiber paste (friction material).

In my opinion, the Effeto Mariposa Pro Torque Wrench is great for bicycles.  I used to use a good snap-on torque wrench and proves to have lots of leverage because it is primarily designed for cars.  The Effetto is built for bicycles and small enough to fit in tight spaces.  It can be bought individually.  Mine came with the extra bits.


That looks like a great tool I've been using the really cumbersome Park torque wrenches, and haven't really found a nice one like that one for the smaller forces used on a bicycle.
(http://static2.biketiresdirect.com/imagesProduct/pttw21-1.jpg)
I have been intrigued by this torque wrench as well:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html

Jim C

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 May 2010, 01:20 pm
I had a great time and met lots of great people.   In my opinion, this is a well organized NY Bike Tour.  This year, it was dry, hot and humid!  They merged bike traffic to those that where far behind into the east side of central park.  Top it off with a moderate hill after the boat house = bottle neck.  Along the way, some people got flat, hurt but hopefully nothing too serious.

The cool ocean breeze overlooking the Verrazano bridge from BQE sure is very refreshing.

I have several pictures that I took.  I hope you all liked it!

Cheers!

Just in case you guys are wondering where we are ;)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5568.jpg)
View from the starting line

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5555.jpg)
View from the back of the starting line

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5547.jpg)
Wood frame.  I spoke to the guy and he said it was a kit that you can buy.  Just google it!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5580.jpg)
Nice bike!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5591.jpg)
All five in one

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5590.jpg)
Where is Scott?

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5593.jpg)
Mr NYPD Bike Patrol

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5595.jpg)
FDR drive

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5600.jpg)
Astoria Park

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5614.jpg)
Con Edision

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5617.jpg)
He must be burning inside that green suit but cheerful nevertheless

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5620.jpg)
Volunteers at ConEd facilities

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5627.jpg)
My friend with a Linskey Ti 29er

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5643.jpg)
Flat fixing

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5642.jpg)
Bike or Scooter?

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5645.jpg)
Oh!  I can just feel the nice cool ocean breeze  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 May 2010, 01:53 pm
That's funny site. LOL. 

That looks like a great tool I've been using the really cumbersome Park torque wrenches, and haven't really found a nice one like that one for the smaller forces used on a bicycle.
(http://static2.biketiresdirect.com/imagesProduct/pttw21-1.jpg)
I have been intrigued by this torque wrench as well:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html

Jim C


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 3 May 2010, 02:41 pm
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/IMG_5547.jpg)
Wood frame.  I spoke to the guy and he said it was a kit that you can buy.  Just google it!

That's a bamboo frame...some say that bamboo is a better material for bike frames than carbon fiber...am definitely interested in trying one out!

Here's a place in Brooklyn where you can learn how to build one:  http://bamboobikestudio.com/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 May 2010, 02:52 pm
+1

Some of the Bamboo frames are exotic!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: SET Man on 3 May 2010, 02:54 pm
Hey!

   Levi, look like you had a great time.  :D

   Yeah, I've heard about the bamboo bike. Saw it on TV show once. But I wonder how do they manage to align the frame as precise as other materials. Hmmm... or maybe they are close enough I guess.

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 3 May 2010, 03:20 pm
I have a business building custom bike wheels, if anyone's interested in ordering a wheelset.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 May 2010, 03:39 pm
Thanks Tone.  I am sure you can lace just about anything out there.  Where are you located? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 May 2010, 04:22 pm
Hey Buddy,

Hopefully you can make it next year.  I will ride with you.  62+ miles for me when it is all said and done. LOL. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bike%20New%20York%202010/BikeNYTour2010.jpg)

Hey!

   Levi, look like you had a great time.  :D

   Yeah, I've heard about the bamboo bike. Saw it on TV show once. But I wonder how do they manage to align the frame as precise as other materials. Hmmm... or maybe they are close enough I guess.

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 9 May 2010, 03:05 am
Levi, I'm in Scottsdale, AZ and have customers throughout the US.  I build starting with mid-level quality components and on up.

Thanks Tone.  I am sure you can lace just about anything out there.  Where are you located?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 May 2010, 04:45 pm
I opted for a custom i9 ultralite wheelset.  5-6 weeks of waiting is now over.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IndustryNinebox.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 29 May 2010, 02:32 am
Quote
I opted for a custom i9 ultralite wheelset.  5-6 weeks of waiting is now over.

Well then....take it out of the box... :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 May 2010, 05:53 pm
Thanks for interest Chris.  :thumb:

I finally was able to take some pictures of my new i9 wheelset.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9172.jpg)
Front hub

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9165.jpg)
Rear hub

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9228.jpg)
Old and the new

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9231.jpg)
Mixed up
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Jun 2010, 04:39 am
I figured I need to break-in the new wheelset prior to riding off-road.  I took it for a ride today @99.26 miles.  LOL!

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/35982660
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Lyndon on 7 Jun 2010, 04:50 am
Levi,
That looks like a sweet ride! I've ridden out by Shelter island.  Very nice.
And now for your non-biking moment of zen.
I was watching the NBA Finals, and didn't realize it was the MTV Movie Awards.
Here we go with Katy Perry, with her new song, "I Just Kissed a Smurf, and I LIKED It!"

(http://www.mtv.com/content/ontv/movieawards/2010/photo/flipbook/10-red-carpet/katy-perry-pg199246.jpg)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 7 Jun 2010, 04:53 am
Nice ride....and a ferry ride as well.... 8)

Hope you stopped at a few wineries... (http://www.liwines.com/)  :wine:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Jun 2010, 12:48 pm
I passed several wineries and wine tasting along route 25. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 Jun 2010, 02:57 am
I upgraded my Shimano XTR M970 gears to SRAM XX "twenty".  The bike is quicker off the line and feels like it is on the right gear all the time.  There is a little weight savings compared to the Shimie but not that much. 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9327.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9306-1.jpg)
10 speed 11-36T rear cog mountain bike gears

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9305.jpg)
39/26 2x10 setup 156mm Q-factor  :thumb:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 24 Jun 2010, 05:49 am
Levi, I'm in Scottsdale, AZ and have customers throughout the US.  I build starting with mid-level quality components and on up.

Tone Depth, were you generalizing "Scottsdale" from "Fountain Hills"?

SpeedDream?

If so, then you build my new mountain bike wheels this past January!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 24 Jun 2010, 06:10 am
I upgraded my Shimano XTR M970 gears to SRAM XX "twenty".  The bike is quicker off the line and feels like it is on the right gear all the time.  There is a little weight savings compared to the Shimie but not that much.

Wow - nice!  I've read good things about the XX cassette.  The 4 equalized pickup and downshift points seem like a long overdue idea.  I hope they let that technology "trickle down" the rest of their line... preferably before I wear out another cassette! :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 Jun 2010, 11:08 am
Thanks!

SRAM will have the 10-speed setup "trickle down" to the rest of their line.  Likewise for Shimie.  It is just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 24 Jun 2010, 03:08 pm
brj,  You've got some 'splainin to do.   :scratch:

Wow - nice!  I've read good things about the XX cassette.  The 4 equalized pickup and downshift points seem like a long overdue idea.  I hope they let that technology "trickle down" the rest of their line... preferably before I wear out another cassette! :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 24 Jun 2010, 05:40 pm
Are you referring to the cassette comment?  Here's a link to what they did differently:

http://www.sram.com/en/XX/engineering/x-glide.php
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 24 Jun 2010, 06:22 pm
brj,

Thanks, that was what I was looking for. I did not grok "4 equalized pickup and downshift points".  Pretty slick and apparently it works according to Levi.

Guess I am a little behind.  I just found out some MTBs now had 10 speed cassettes and Campy is offering 11 speed cassettes on part of its road lineup.

Am I understanding correctly that the X-Glide is a 2x10 configuration only?  Do the 10-speed cassettes fit on a Shimano 9-speed hub?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 1 Jul 2010, 09:39 pm
I went for my first race ever at Lewis Morris Challenge, NJ 6/27/2010!  The new SRAM XX gear set worked as I have planned.  I placed 15 out of 45 in CAT 3 Mens 40-49.  I guess that is not bad for a first race.  :)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l242/Kampamilya/LMC2010%20by%20Carlo%20James/IMG_9486.jpg)
Racing in the woods  :lol: :lol: :lol:

(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/jontot8/Lewis%20Morris%20Challenge%202010/Picture10_4.png)
Game face  :lol:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l242/Kampamilya/LMC2010%20by%20Jayson/jaysonpics8.jpg)
Merlin XLM
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 1 Jul 2010, 11:55 pm
Levi,

Any race you finish still on your bike is a good race.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Jul 2010, 12:07 am
Thanks Don.  I could not agree more.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 3 Jul 2010, 08:40 pm
In the on-road thread, I had solicited opinions for a bike and used that to start researching. Turns out that I wanted to get a MTB and just get a pair of slicks for the road.  Wanted a 29'er.

Well just ordered a Gary Fisher X-Caliber

(http://www.trekbikes.com/images/bikes/2010/xl/xcaliber_blackwhite.jpg)

Guys at James Vincent Bikes both in Jersey City and North Bergen are pretty cool.  First went to JC and he directed me to NB since they had more selection.  Went today and got fitted, talked with the sales guys and decided on the X-cal. 

Josh
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Jul 2010, 09:53 pm
Wow!  29er congrats!  Let me know when you are tired riding paved roads. I knew some woods you can ride. FAST!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 3 Jul 2010, 11:12 pm
The metric designation for a 26" tire is 559. What is the metric designation for 29" tires?  I looked but could not find it.

I am curious how big the bikes look up close and personal.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Jul 2010, 12:06 am
I'm always up for riding trails!  I loved the days when I lived in So Cal and would go out to the "woods" behind my development and ride a freaking long ass trail through the "woods".  Tiring start as it was all up hill for 5 miles or so to start and then downhil on the way home.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bunnyma357 on 4 Jul 2010, 12:55 am
The metric designation for a 26" tire is 559. What is the metric designation for 29" tires?  I looked but could not find it.

I am curious how big the bikes look up close and personal.

I believe 29'ers are 700C just like road bikes - which is 622mm.  For more info than you probably ever want to know try SheldonBrown.com

http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html 


Jim C


Weird the above text shows up in the edit box, but doesn't display in the final post. Does anybody see the text between the quote and this line?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 4 Jul 2010, 01:02 am
Yes, 700c.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bunnyma357 on 4 Jul 2010, 01:04 am
I believe 29'ers are 700c like road bikes - 622mm. For more info than you probably want on tire sizes - check out Sheldon Brown's site.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

Jim C
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 4 Jul 2010, 02:59 am
Your text WAS there, but after I posted my confirmation, I could no longer see it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 4 Jul 2010, 06:04 pm
Thanks for the size information from those who posted and those who "tried" to post.  :lol: 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ooheadsoo on 5 Jul 2010, 05:54 am
Awesome, JoshK.  I wanted that bike but ended up with a specialized rockhopper sl 29er instead because I couldn't find a deal in my size.  The fisher has some great components all over it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 6 Jul 2010, 05:44 pm
So now what are some of the best places in NNJ to bike off road?  What are your favorites?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 6 Jul 2010, 06:13 pm

Here is a pict. of the women who won their down hill mountain races this last weekend, July 2010. My daughter is on the left and won the women's youth 13 and under. Easy to win when there is no competition though. She did good.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=32460)


Another pict. of her time on the podium. She likes beating the boys.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=32461)


My son placed 7th out of 16 riders. Course was intense in places.

I was supposed to race in the 40+ category but could not since I broke -cracked- a bone in my elbow skateboarding in a bowl. Never done that before.  :o

So I am trying to heal so as to race on the 24.


Rocket_and no I am not too old for this stuff_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 6 Jul 2010, 07:42 pm
So now what are some of the best places in NNJ to bike off road?  What are your favorites?

Ringwood State Park is a great place...relatively technical, but big enough that there's something for everyone...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Don_S on 6 Jul 2010, 07:59 pm
Your handle should be:  Rocket_way cool dad_Ronny   :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 6 Jul 2010, 08:17 pm
Lewis Morris Park is good + free swimming afterwards.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 7 Jul 2010, 03:16 am

Quote
Your handle should be:  Rocket_way cool dad_Ronny

Ha, ha. That is what the kid on the podium with Emily said when she told him I broke my arm skating a bowl.

Have to say though, not too many Dad's racing DH with their kids. It really is a risk taking sport that demands a go for it attitude. That is why I can get into it as skating is just the same, and pain is the initiation right of both sports. Although DH is a lot easier than skating a bowl.

By the way, I am not too old to skate. When I tell people I broke it that way they ALWAYS say some comment about me being too old. I am turning 48 in a month and am NOT TOO OLD. Any 16 year old kid would have been injured as well.

It was not the difficulty of the riding that did me in but that I hit twig and it completely stopped my board solid. So I did a superman, arms outstreached, into the bank. I did not bang my elbow on the concrete but it was the shear force of the impact from my hands hitting the concrete and the shock traveling up my arm. To understand this, run as fast as you can and then jump head first with arms out streached into a bank of concrete. I knew I was hurt but still did a couple more runs to try and shake it off. It did not work, I was down for the count.

Rocket_Way cool and injured Dad_Ronny   :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jul 2010, 06:43 pm
For NJ, found a cool map of where the various trails are.

http://www.mtbnj.com/wiki/Category:Trail_Directory

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jul 2010, 08:23 pm
Good find Josh. We share tents during a race with those guys at NJMTBers.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 9 Jul 2010, 07:22 pm
Anyone want to go for a O/R ride tomorrow morn?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 10 Jul 2010, 12:04 am
I planned to go off-road at Stillwell Woods Preserve or Cunningham Park in the morning.

Where do you plan to meet for O/R?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Jul 2010, 12:51 pm
Sorry, missed your post.  Maybe another time, like next week.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2010, 02:15 pm
How's the group ride with MTBNJ group?

We went to Stewart State Forest to pre-ride DarkHorse 40 race course.  That is 40 miles of off-road racing fun.  Needless to say, the pre-ride course is nothing technical.  It is a fast flowing single-track mixed with fire roads.  Lots of fun!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_8297.jpg)
Group picture at the trail head

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/DarkHorse402010.jpg)
Race course map
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 19 Jul 2010, 02:44 pm
Hey Levi...I was just thinking about giving Stewart State Forest a try next weekend.  Are there many climbs on the course?  Or is it mostly flat?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2010, 03:54 pm
There were some short climbs. Nothing like Lewis Morris.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 19 Jul 2010, 04:53 pm
How's the group ride with MTBNJ group?

It was fun but I didn't actually ride with the group much.  I go there late and they had started.  I ran into part of the group at one point and tagged on the end, but that was the fast group (cat 1's and such) and couldn't hang for long.   

Then we all gathered in the lot and went to a BBQ/pool party so I got to meet everyone.  Its a good group.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2010, 05:10 pm
Yeah, most group rides are pretty strict in time. When they say 8:30am wheels down, that means be ready to roll at 8:30. :) .  Just keep riding and before you know it, you will be keeping up with them or not be behind too far.

Invest on good cycling clothing!  No cottons.  ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 25 Jul 2010, 10:48 pm
Barring bad weather, I'm hooking up with Levi tomorrow (Monday) morning to ride Stewart Forest...anyone else who wants to play hooky, let us know!  Hopefully Levi won't dust me too badly...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Jul 2010, 01:24 am
Hey Phil, this is going to be a no drop ride.  It should be really nice tomorrow.  Bring at least 2 liters of drinking fluid. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 26 Jul 2010, 02:00 pm
Did the ride happen before the rain?  I partied too late on Sat to go riding in the morning.  I got a good ride in on Sat morn. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 26 Jul 2010, 08:14 pm
Levi kicked my ass today... :oops:

Great ride, tho!  22 miles in great weather and minimal impact from the rain over the weekend.  Took me a little time to get warmed up and comfortable on the terrain, but I was able to get into a groove 7-8 miles into it and felt pretty good (albeit exhausted) by the end.  Road biking definitely does not prepare you for the high-heart-rate/fast-twitch nature of mountain biking as well as you'd think! :o
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Jul 2010, 08:27 pm
22miles off-road is nothing to sneeze at.  Stewart State Forest is huge which is over 6700 acres of wilderness.  I definitely don't want to get caught in the dark without lights here.

Phil is a great rider.  He actually powered his way on steep, wheel popping climbs most mtber will walk.  I have pictures to upload. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Jul 2010, 08:46 pm
Here are some of the pictures that I took.  We couldn't find anybody to take our pictures so we just took our turns. :)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0294.jpg)
Philnyc

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0298.jpg)
Your one and only  :lol:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0300.jpg)
Phil's rear when he was leading the ride

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0302.jpg)
Phil, that's when I caught up with him  :green:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0304.jpg)
Phil inside the abandoned factory

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0306.jpg)
Fight of stairs on the racing course.  WTF?   :lol:  We walked this one.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 26 Jul 2010, 08:59 pm
The ride, despite not having any long climbs, was actually quite a bit harder than I thought it would be.  Will  go to my granny gear much earlier in the ride next time we go (I mostly stayed in my middle chainring, and only went to the granny gear in the last 2-3 miles when I was really feeling my lungs burn).

Definitely felt like I was holding Levi back for this ride.  There were a couple of times where I managed to get ahead of him after some of those steep/short "power climbs" and push the pace, but for the most part he was breathing easy while I was huffing/puffing...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: macrojack on 26 Jul 2010, 09:38 pm
Here's are some videos of rides in my neighborhood:

http://www.google.com/search?q=fruita+loops&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=v&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=wf1NTPfJMObnnQfp0fHXCw&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=6&ved=0CD8QqwQwBQ

Some of the trails out here are terrifying, some long and grueling, and some are wimpy enough for me. If you ever want to visit the mecca of mountain biking let me know and I'll help you plan your trip.

I have a 10 year old Raleigh M-60 that I just use to tool around town with my wife. One of my sons has a Kona Cinder Cone and the other has a Transition Trans-Am. Only the Transition boy could ride with you guys but I've got a truck and I would gladly take you to and from the trailhead.

Best time of year might be between Labor Day and Halloween.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Jul 2010, 04:03 am
Where is this place?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 27 Jul 2010, 04:20 am
Where is this place?

Levi....
Tom/macrojack lives in Fruita, Colorado. :thumb:

http://www.gofruita.com/
http://www.fruita.org/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Jul 2010, 11:27 am
Thanks Chris.  I will surely keep that in mind the time we go to Colorado. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 27 Jul 2010, 12:06 pm
oooo....I'm so sore today....! :shake:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm
Today is recovery day. Ride hard again tomorrow. :).
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Jul 2010, 01:16 pm
Sounds like a good ride.  I couldn't keep up, I'm sure.  I am not in shape yet. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Jul 2010, 01:24 pm
The key word is "yet".  Just keep riding Josh.  Those Hammer Nutrition products does work for recovery and endurance.  No cramping here which is far better than Gatorade products. :)

http://www.hammernutrition.com/?gclid=CP_Drqbmi6MCFcl25QodIl4Ncg

Sounds like a good ride.  I couldn't keep up, I'm sure.  I am not in shape yet. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 27 Jul 2010, 02:00 pm
The key word is "yet".  Just keep riding Josh.  Those Hammer Nutrition products does work for recovery and endurance.  No cramping here which is far better than Gatorade products. :)

http://www.hammernutrition.com/?gclid=CP_Drqbmi6MCFcl25QodIl4Ncg

Agreed.  Hammer makes good products and their prices are reasonable.  They also have great sales on their jerseys and bibs.  Their bibs are comfortable and well made.  The same is true of their jerseys. 

I'm doing a 100 mile ride this Saturday.  Should be interesting because I have reduced my training time due to an injury.  I did a 40 mile ride on Sunday and felt good and will do a couple easy rides this week to get ready for the big ride.  Will post Garmin data after the century.  If heartrate is zero at the end, that means I'm dead (and my wife posted the data).  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 27 Jul 2010, 02:06 pm
I've heard great things about Hammer stuff.  Have been using CytoSport products with great results, but might give the Hammer stuff a try...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 28 Jul 2010, 04:25 pm
My arms/triceps are still sore today.... :oops:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Jul 2010, 04:48 pm
Eat a bananna.  The potasium helps your muscles rebuild.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 28 Jul 2010, 05:03 pm
I think I would need a whole banana tree...!  :banana piano:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: charmerci on 28 Jul 2010, 09:08 pm
My arms/triceps are still sore today.... :oops:

You brake too much!  :nono: :lol: Either that you need to update your brakes. The newer ones (whether the V-brakes or especially disk brakes) are so much easier on the arms.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 28 Jul 2010, 09:58 pm
You guys can get 15% off Hammer stuff on your first order if you use my customer no.   PM if you want it. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Jul 2010, 10:23 pm
I just ordered a 32 servings of Perpetuem and some Jersey and shorts.  Great price!  It's too bad I could have gotten a discount. :)

You guys can get 15% off Hammer stuff on your first order if you use my customer no.   PM if you want it. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Jul 2010, 11:46 pm
That's the problem with just drinking Gatorade.  I don't think it has enough nutrients to help prevent lean muscle tissue cannibalization and hasten recovery.

I was there this morning with a friend and did another 20mile (1 loop).  :thumb:

My arms/triceps are still sore today.... :oops:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 29 Jul 2010, 12:05 am
You brake too much!  :nono: :lol: Either that you need to update your brakes. The newer ones (whether the V-brakes or especially disk brakes) are so much easier on the arms.

Yeah, I was definitely a little chicken in the first 5-6 miles and hit the brakes a lot on those steep sections...and having old cantilever brakes certainly did not help!  But I think it was more a result of the fact that (1) my suspension fork is old and only has <2inches of travel, and (2) spending so much time on the road bike does nothing for arm/upper body development... :dunno:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 29 Jul 2010, 12:08 am
That's the problem with just drinking Gatorade.  I don't think it has enough nutrients to help prevent lean muscle tissue cannibalization and hasten recovery.

I was there this morning with a friend and did another 20mile (1 loop).  :thumb:

Gatorade is only my "during the ride" drink (although usually I use CytoMax...was just too lazy to make it that morning!).  When I got home, I did the whole whey-protein-drink thing, as well as generally fed myself well.

How'd the ride go this morning?  I'm assuming you went harder than you did with me... :notworthy:

(I rode my trainer this morning for an easy hour just to warm things up and elevate my heart rate.  Will hit the road/trail again on Friday...)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Jul 2010, 01:51 am
It was similar pace as Monday as I had to wait for my friend.  It's lonely riding in the woods alone sometimes. 

Recovery drinks should be taken immediately after the workout.

Remember the huge bowl?  My friend in the background :)  Now that was fun!
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/IMG_0333.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: charmerci on 29 Jul 2010, 11:58 am
That's the problem with just drinking Gatorade.

Chris What's-His-Name (Carmichael?)- Lance Armstrong's trainer says that the only time to eat sugar is within half an hour after exercise - to replenish your energy. So that's what I do - mmmmm. Cookies!!!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Jul 2010, 11:05 am
So it appears that monday's ride has caused a crack in my top-tube...!  I guess that's what happens when riding a 16+ year old bike.... :cry:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 31 Jul 2010, 11:22 am
So it appears that monday's ride has caused a crack in my top-tube...!  I guess that's what happens when riding a 16+ year old bike.... :cry:

Oh no!  Which bike?  All of your bikes are beautiful and I hate to hear this sort of thing.  Can it be fixed? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Jul 2010, 11:56 am
Oh no!  Which bike?  All of your bikes are beautiful and I hate to hear this sort of thing.  Can it be fixed?

It was my Fat Chance Yo Eddy...my pride and joy...!  I'm going to look into how much it would cost to fix, but am pretty sure I will get a new bike instead.  The Yo Eddy is very old (a "classic", actually!), and as such, it has a lot of stuff on it that makes it hard to maintain...1" head tube and threaded headset (hard to find replacement parts), a 2"-travel fork (today's standard seems to be a minimum of 4", and even if I could find a 4" travel fork with a 1" threaded steerer, the geometry of the bike doesn't really work with a fork that tall), over-the-bar thumbshifter levers, etc.  Not all that excited about sinking more money into it...

The good news is that I have always pined for a titanium mountain bike, so this might be the opportunity to get one!  Am seriously going to consider an Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe, Moots RigorMootis, or a Kent Eriksen custom (all hard-tails)... :thumb:

Rest in Peace...

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=33375)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Jul 2010, 12:36 pm
Wow!  Sorry to hear that Phil.  :(
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Jul 2010, 12:46 pm
Wow!  Sorry to hear that Phil.  :(

Now I have an excuse for having a hard time keeping up with you... :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: charmerci on 31 Jul 2010, 02:11 pm
Too bad about the bike. Sounds like you really know what you want though....

If you get sticker shock on the Ti bikes (I do,) this place is quite a bit cheaper.

http://www.habcycles.com/mtbdiscprice.html

Close up photos of their work are here.

http://www.habcycles.com/pictures.html

-and a few reviews.

http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/frameset/habanero/ti-mtb-frame/PRD_351290_119crx.aspx

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 31 Jul 2010, 04:47 pm
Phil,

Very sorry about the Fat Chance.  You are right, that bike is a classic and I hate to see it bite the dust.  At least you have an excuse to get a new one, and your list of choices is very good. I'd like to add one, a Lynskey Pro29 hardtail in Ti, custom made in Tennesee by the folks who originated Litespeed.  Two of my roadbike friends have Lynskey bikes and both bikes are beautiful.  The helix tubes are stiff and compliant.   Link to website is below. 

Good luck!

J
http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/a/pages/2009-products/mountain-bikes---lynskey-performance.php (http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/a/pages/2009-products/mountain-bikes---lynskey-performance.php)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Jul 2010, 06:51 pm
Thanks for the suggestions, guys.  Regarding sticker-shock for Ti frames, I guess high-end audio has really made me impervious to this...I can get a full custom Ti bike with top-of-the-line components for less than the retail price of my speakers... :duh:

As far as the choices, the Indy Fab Ti Deluxe is my leading candidate if only because it is the frame that I have dreamed of since Indy Fab rose from the ashes that was Fat Chance many years ago.  But Eriksen is really making me think about that choice given everything I've read about him and his long-standing pedigree in building Ti frames (Kent Eriksen was the original founder of Moots).  Moots would be the choice for a stock non-custom frame.

Here's a cool little photo essay about Indy Fab:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=129466

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 1 Aug 2010, 12:14 am
So now I see where the Yo Eddy moniker comes from on MTBNJ.com.  Sorry to hear about the bike.  Check my forthcoming post on the on-road thread for my other new bike purchase.

I am bound and determined to get back into shape.  I use to run half-marathons at one point, not so many years ago, after all.   Hopefully, then I can ride with you guys!  It'd be cool to have a subsection of the NYAR crowd that is MTBNJ or visa versa.   I can see the jerseys now.

I've already talked hi-fi and diy tube amp building with members of the MTBNJ gang (not just in virtual world mind you).   There are plenty of music nuts in the group, with tastes more similar to mine than the jazz crowd.

Josh
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 1 Aug 2010, 08:57 pm
Hey Levi...how'd the Darkhorse 40 go for you today??
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Aug 2010, 12:27 am
The Dark Horse 40 was a lot of fun!  :beer:  However, having cramps made the last 20mile a challenge.  :)  40 miles puts a lot of beating in your body.  There were over 200 in my class and I think I finished around 75th.  I could have done better.  Oh well.  Live and learn.  DH 40 is a well organized race with good pit stations and BBQ/Beer on tap at the end of the race.  I will do this race again next year.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3497.jpg)
I camped out in a nearby hotel so it was convenient to get to the race site @6am. 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3530x.jpg)
My Merlin XLM

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3504.jpg)
Our tent

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3546.jpg)
Jacob my friend ;)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3523.jpg)
Fully catered event

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3524.jpg)
Beer on Tap

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3512.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3521.jpg)
MTBNJ.com

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 2 Aug 2010, 01:14 am


(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3497.jpg)
I camped out in a nearby hotel so it was convenient to get to the race site @6am. 


Congrats on the finish!  And your bike looks like it got a good night's sleep... :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Aug 2010, 02:00 am
Congrats Levi.  I can't even imagine doing 40 off road at this point.  That is hard core.  Where is the coarse set up, Lewis Morris? 

I noticed you are setup as 1x9.  How long have you had it like that?  I am thinking of loosing the 42T ring now that I got a road bike.  I don't see the point unless you are bombing down a steep fireroad.  I've already smacked it a few times hopping logs.  The extra inch or so could be useful and I am thinking of adding a bashguard.   Do you have any dropped chains as you have it set up? I noticed you aren't using a BG or guide.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Aug 2010, 02:02 am
On closer look I see you have a guide.  What kind is that?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Aug 2010, 02:22 am
Thanks guys for the complement. 

I am currently using SRAM XX drivetrain.  That is 10speed rear and 2 chainring front (39/26t).  It took some abuse today and No drop chains. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Aug 2010, 02:56 am
really?  I can't see the smaller ring in that photo.  The guide does look like a derailleur on second glance.

39/26....guess that is a good compromise.  Kindly like a compact I guess.


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 2 Aug 2010, 02:23 pm
Levi,

Very cool looking ride!  It's good to hear you are putting that sweet Merlin through its paces!  Seeing those pictures, and the after-race party, makes me want to dust off my MTB and hit the dirt.  I completed my first century on my road bike yesterday and hope to get my mountainbike out later this week. 

On hot days, it's much cooler riding single-track through the woods, and a good break from road cycling.  Congratulations on your strong finish.

Cheers,

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Aug 2010, 03:51 pm
Thanks Jack!

Despite the massive muscle tissue damage due to cramping I managed to finish 40 miles. That was with several pills of endurolytes, 2 botles of  heed and 1.5 liters of perpetuem.
LOL!  I guess my body is only good for 3hrs worth of non-stop hard pedaling.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 2 Aug 2010, 04:16 pm
Thanks Jack!

Despite the massive muscle tissue damage due to cramping I managed to finish 40 miles. That was with several pills of endurolytes, 2 botles of  heed and 1.5 liters of perpetuem.
LOL!  I guess my body is only good for 3hrs worth of non-stop hard pedaling.

Three hours on a mountainbike, with hills and bumps is very impressive.  Proper nutrition is key and it looks like you took every precaution.  That's where I usually fall short (and pay the price later).  Yesterday's century was supported, so there was lots of good food and drinks at the rest stops.  IMO, that's the biggest challenge in long rides around here, lack of water.  I might need to get one of those water caddys the tri people have on their bikes for proper nutrition. 

Cheers!

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Aug 2010, 02:28 am
really?  I can't see the smaller ring in that photo.  The guide does look like a derailleur on second glance.

39/26....guess that is a good compromise.  Kindly like a compact I guess.

Here is the picture of my SRAM XX crankset.  You can see the smaller ring this way.

It is an very good compromise.  I don't think you need a 42t chainring off-road.  I never used it.  Likewise, 39t front ring clears logs no problems.  I used to use an XTR triple chainring.  I modified it to double and dropped the 42t but it is only 32/24t so it is not as fast as the 39/26t combination.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9305.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bethpage%20Park/IMG_7303.jpg)
Old setup with Shimano XTR M970 with modified 2x9 drivetrain.  That is 32/24t and bashguard (replacing the 42t).  It is good enough below 20mph.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 5 Aug 2010, 10:27 am
Levi, did you change your rear cassette when you went to the 39/26 in front? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Aug 2010, 11:11 am
Yes. I changed the rear to a 10-speed cassette.  Then I figured the rear derailleur has to be changed along with shifter, 10spd chain etc., etc.  I could probably could have left the rear cassette alone but it just make sense to go SRAM XX all the way. It does worked together like music in harmony. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 5 Aug 2010, 11:27 am
Yes. I changed the rear to a 10-speed cassette.  Then I figured the rear derailleur has to be changed along with shifter, 10spd chain etc., etc.  I could probably could have left the rear cassette alone but it just make sense to go SRAM XX all the way. It does worked together like music in harmony. :)

What was the cog range on your old cassette, and what is the new one? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Aug 2010, 11:30 am
Old one was 11-32 using short cage dérailleur. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Aug 2010, 01:27 pm
That is what I was thinking of doing.  Dropping the 42t ring, adding a bashguard in its place and then upping the medium chainring one size.  But I was going to leave the granny as is. 

I plan to leave everything alone until I got some miles on it and confirm that is what I want, but I can already tell it'll be the way to go.

I can tell you have some bucks into that bike.  Are you running tubeless?  That is another mod I am considering as my Bontrager wheels/tires are "tubeless ready". 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Aug 2010, 02:06 pm
Yup. Running tubeless with sealant.

Like what Phil mentioned, audio gears costs way more than bike parts. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: SET Man on 5 Aug 2010, 10:55 pm
....

Like what Phil mentioned, audio gears costs way more than bike parts. :)

Hey!
   
   Another + for bike is that it's also good for your health and body :weights:

    Hmmm... I need to take my bike out for spin a bit more  :icon_lol:

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 6 Aug 2010, 12:34 am
Old one was 11-32 using short cage dérailleur.

What's the new one?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 6 Aug 2010, 01:36 am
New one is the sram xx 10-speed 11-36 cog.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 6 Aug 2010, 04:22 am
Quote from: JoshK
I can tell you have some bucks into that bike.  Are you running tubeless?  That is another mod I am considering as my Bontrager wheels/tires are "tubeless ready".

Be aware that there are different types of "tubeless".  The older, and still more common type of tubeless is "UST".

Levi is running ZTR Crest rims which are a new style of tubeless tire system that is lighter than UST based wheels, though it requires a special sealant inside the tires once they are seated.  Check out www.notubes.com (http://www.notubes.com) for details on this system.  It works amazingly well, though seating the tire the first time was a painful experience.  I picked up a set of new wheels using the same ZTR Crest rims in February at the beginning of a mountain bike trip to Phoenix, and 2 days later nailed a cholla (cactus) pod dead-on.  2 minutes of work with the multitool to pull the dozens of spikes, and I was up and riding again - no air loss whatsoever.  And the wheels are much lighter than my old ones.  (Reducing rotational mass is a bigger benefit than reducing non-rotating mass.)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 6 Aug 2010, 02:04 pm
Thanks.

I have Bontrager XDX tires and Bonty Duster rims.  Apparently this is their own system, but uses a sealant too to run tubeless. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 6 Aug 2010, 02:57 pm
New one is the sram xx 10-speed 11-36 cog.

SRAM is making some nice cassettes these days.  I'm going to pick up a new one for my Road bike.  The new Apex has a really wide range, something like 11-36 for a road cassette.  They are sold out at the moment but for $60'ish, it's worth trying. 

Josh, how about a picture of those new bikes? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 7 Aug 2010, 12:48 am
SRAM is making some nice cassettes these days.  I'm going to pick up a new one for my Road bike.  The new Apex has a really wide range, something like 11-36 for a road cassette.  They are sold out at the moment but for $60'ish, it's worth trying. 

A 36 for a road cassette?  I can't even imagine a need for that... :scratch:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Aug 2010, 01:33 am
The MTB
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=33648)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 7 Aug 2010, 02:00 am
The MTB
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=33648)

Looks great!  Although isn't the seat a little low?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 7 Aug 2010, 02:05 am
Be aware that there are different types of "tubeless".  The older, and still more common type of tubeless is "UST".

Levi is running ZTR Crest rims which are a new style of tubeless tire system that is lighter than UST based wheels, though it requires a special sealant inside the tires once they are seated.  Check out www.notubes.com (http://www.notubes.com) for details on this system.  It works amazingly well, though seating the tire the first time was a painful experience.  I picked up a set of new wheels using the same ZTR Crest rims in February at the beginning of a mountain bike trip to Phoenix, and 2 days later nailed a cholla (cactus) pod dead-on.  2 minutes of work with the multitool to pull the dozens of spikes, and I was up and riding again - no air loss whatsoever.  And the wheels are much lighter than my old ones.  (Reducing rotational mass is a bigger benefit than reducing non-rotating mass.)

What options for tires are there that work with the ZTR rims?  And what hubs are you using?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 7 Aug 2010, 03:18 am
A 36 for a road cassette?  I can't even imagine a need for that... :scratch:

Sorry, 11-32!  I am thinking about trying one out because I struggle on hills (in Wisconsin).  I would try a 36 if I could (as an extra cassette for hilly areas only, not everyday) but my rear DR would not work with such a wide range.  You would need a long cage, MTB-type, rear derailleur. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 7 Aug 2010, 03:20 am
Looks great!  Although isn't the seat a little low?

I'm with Phil.  That saddle looks low.  Did you take the picture before you adjusted it?   If the saddle heigth fits you, your frame might be too large. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 7 Aug 2010, 10:52 am
I'm with Phil.  That saddle looks low.  Did you take the picture before you adjusted it?   If the saddle heigth fits you, your frame might be too large.

You know, I just remembered that this bike is a 29er...so I might be wrong...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Aug 2010, 02:59 pm
Actually the bike was never properly fit to me.  They fit the cannondale, but not the GF.   I picked it up when they were closing and they were buried.  I forgot to get them to fit it to me.  It doesn't feel really low, but compared to my Cannondale it is a little low.

There is a another James Vincent bike shop right next to me, which is how I found this shop.  They can fit it to me. 

Last night I was goofing about in the park and riding wheelies (with clipless) and took a fall.  Today I am hobbling quite a bit.  I think I pulled something.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Aug 2010, 04:45 pm
Well I just got fitted.  It was an inch or so low.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 7 Aug 2010, 05:44 pm
Well I just got fitted.  It was an inch or so low.

An inch is huge.  You should have way more power with a properly adjusted saddle.  Hope you feel better!

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 7 Aug 2010, 08:09 pm
An inch is a big deal, although less so when riding singletrack and trails, where you spend a lot of time off the saddle and appreciate the extra clearance....

On a road bike, I find even 1/4" makes a significant difference...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Aug 2010, 12:42 am
A little late in the parade...

Nice bike Josh!  You also bought a road bike. Congrats!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 8 Aug 2010, 01:49 am
What options for tires are there that work with the ZTR rims?  And what hubs are you using?

Levi...any thoughts on these questions?  Now that my Yo Eddy is out to pasture, I am looking into buying a new mtb.  Will be looking into wheels, and would love to know more about these.  Do you have to buy tires from Stan?  and what hub are you using?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Aug 2010, 03:02 am
I am currently using an Industry Nine Ultralite wheelset.  So far, they have survived a year of abuse and racing + the ultimate in bling.  I like them so much I bought another pair for spare.  Like wheels, tires, saddles...they are all a matter of personal.  http://www.industrynine.net/Mountain_Wheels

To answer your question, any tire combination will work with Stans ZTR rims.  I happen to love to use Schwalbe Nobby Nick in the front and Rocket Ron in the rear.  They are foldable tires then converted to tubeless with the help of sealant.  I also tried tubeless schwalbe tires with tubeless but they tend to be heavy but more stable side walls.  Stan's tires are great lightweight tires as well but Raven's don't have much thread in them for lose conditions which are great for hard pack dirt.  Obviously, it all depends on the terrain you mostly frequent.  If you are going to ride in blue mountain more (lots of rocks), you may want tires that have more meat in them.

Good luck on the new bike build Phil.  I think the chase is where the fun is. :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 8 Aug 2010, 11:14 am
Thanks Levi...so then what's the difference between UST and BST wheels? :scratch:

Also, I looked over the Industry Nine wheelset offerings.  Looks like all of the ones that are built with Stan's rims have a weight limit (and unfortunately, I am over that weight limit!).  Any other wheels I should be considering?  At the moment, I'm thinking Chris King hubs...would love to pair them with an American-made rim (Stan's rims would be great, but now I'm a little nervous about the weight thing)....
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Aug 2010, 04:30 am
Good question.  I know UST Standard is collaborated by Mavic and Hutchinson I does not need rim tape to seal.  BST is by Notubes and requires a form of rim tape to seal.  Probably more info is out there on the net.

Thanks Levi...so then what's the difference between UST and BST wheels? :scratch:


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 9 Aug 2010, 11:22 am
Hey Josh...are you noticing the difference in the seat height?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 9 Aug 2010, 01:08 pm
Hard to say as I didn't ride it much yet.  I only hit the road with the CAAD9 since my leg is still quite sore.   I can ride in saddle but not out. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Aug 2010, 01:17 am
Hard to say as I didn't ride it much yet.  I only hit the road with the CAAD9 since my leg is still quite sore.   I can ride in saddle but not out.

I'm not around this weekend, but you should come up to 9W next weekend...maybe Levi can come with us...!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rob S. on 13 Aug 2010, 01:22 am
Hey guys, found this amazing, it may already be posted here though.   http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/Bike-bought-for-5-at-yard-sale-belonged-to-Tour?urn=top-262060

Rob S.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Aug 2010, 01:23 am
New one is the sram xx 10-speed 11-36 cog.

Btw - I just won my eBay bid for a 2004 Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe!  And I'm going to have Tone Depth build me a set of wheels...ZTR Arch rims, Chris King Iso Disc hubs...

Am looking at SRAM X.0 drivetrain...the new 2011 version is offered in a 2x10 config, so that's what I'm likely to go with.  Am trying to decide on the chain-ring and cassette configurations.  They offer 26-39 or 28-42 chain-rings and 11-32 or 11-36 cassettes.  I'm leaning towards 28-42 and 11-36, although I'm worried about too-big jumps with the 11-36 cassette.  Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 13 Aug 2010, 01:26 am
I'm lucky enough to have a private, 2.5 mile track which my friend keeps cleared (we also use it for dirt bikes and 4wheelers).  Going for a night ride later tonight  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rob S. on 13 Aug 2010, 01:31 am
Phil-  the arch/Ck isodisc wheels should be superb.  My brother just got the exact build back from Mike Curiak at lacemine29.com 

Can you post a link to your new '04 IF bike?  I gotta see it.    :thumb:   I love my IF road bike, couldn't quite stomach the finish on a mtn bike getting banged up, so I went cheapo steel Soma 29er frame.  It's held up well.

rob S.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: James Romeyn on 13 Aug 2010, 01:34 am
Today purchased the frame pictured below, 2010 Raleigh XXIX Pro steel, XL  (http://www.raleighusa.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/RA_2010_XXIX-Pro_DkGreen-LRG.jpg)  Specs for complete bike (not purchased) and the frame geometry: http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/mountain/2010-mountain/xxix-pro/ (http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/mountain/2010-mountain/xxix-pro/)

Raleigh won over the Vassago Bandersnatch.  Raleigh costs slightly less but more than that is the fact the Raleigh comes in 21.5" while the largest 'Snatch is 20" (I might enjoy even larger than 21.5").     

The Raleigh's a "steel" (unintended pun) for the money.

WTB has 2011 M.Y. 9er tubeless wheel sets ETA September, two levels: most affordable ever (IIRC a measly $350) and super high end maybe above the $770 Mavic Crossmax.

I'm completely sold on the advantages of 2x10 gears, coming on this build (lighter, instant gear change, no cross chain, more vertical clearance).  Only known downside is 2-4% less gearing extremes.  2x10 arrived 2010 M.Y. and only in the most costly build kits.  Mid-priced kits arrive 2011 M.Y. 

Popular opinion holds that new OEM front triple rings may disappear post 2013 (except for lowest cost entry bikes, where naive buyers want features over performance).         
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Aug 2010, 01:39 am
Phil-  the arch/Ck isodisc wheels should be superb.  My brother just got the exact build back from Mike Curiak at lacemine29.com 

Can you post a link to your new '04 IF bike?  I gotta see it.    :thumb:   I love my IF road bike, couldn't quite stomach the finish on a mtn bike getting banged up, so I went cheapo steel Soma 29er frame.  It's held up well.

rob S.

Here it is (scroll to the bottom):  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280544461206

With the shot-peened finish, it's pretty hard to scuff up.  I can't wait to receive it! :singing:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Aug 2010, 03:26 am
Congrats Phil.  Great snag!  I have seen the shot-peened finish.  Great bike!  :thumb:

I would go for the 39/26 front and 11-36 rear cog combination.  That's what my current racing setup and felt like it is properly geared even for smooth tarmac.  If you go with the 42/29 front and 11-32 rear cog, you will need a very strong thighs to push the bike up a steep climb.  You will definitely walk parts of Stewart Forest.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: James Romeyn on 13 Aug 2010, 04:18 am
It's gorgeous! 

What was new price for that frame, if I may ask? 

One wonders what does someone trade up to from a nice Ti frame?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Aug 2010, 09:12 am
It's gorgeous! 

What was new price for that frame, if I may ask? 

One wonders what does someone trade up to from a nice Ti frame?

The basic IF Ti Deluxe retails for $3410 (frame only).  Today, IF only does custom frames...but they start from a stock geometry that was based on the Fat Chance Yo Eddy (my previous mtb).  This frame is almost identical in geometry to my old frame...the only difference is .5 degrees in the seat angle...

http://ifbikes.com/OurBikes/Off_Road/Ti_Deluxe/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Aug 2010, 09:25 am
Congrats Phil.  Great snag!  I have seen the shot-peened finish.  Great bike!  :thumb:

I would go for the 39/26 front and 11-36 rear cog combination.  That's what my current racing setup and felt like it is properly geared even for smooth tarmac.  If you go with the 42/29 front and 11-32 rear cog, you will need a very strong thighs to push the bike up a steep climb.  You will definitely walk parts of Stewart Forest.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

What about going 42/28 in front and 11-36 in back? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 13 Aug 2010, 12:35 pm
Today purchased the frame pictured below, 2010 Raleigh XXIX Pro steel, XL  (http://www.raleighusa.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/RA_2010_XXIX-Pro_DkGreen-LRG.jpg)  Specs for complete bike (not purchased) and the frame geometry: http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/mountain/2010-mountain/xxix-pro/ (http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/mountain/2010-mountain/xxix-pro/)

Raleigh won over the Vassago Bandersnatch.  Raleigh costs slightly less but more than that is the fact the Raleigh comes in 21.5" while the largest 'Snatch is 20" (I might enjoy even larger than 21.5").     

The Raleigh's a "steel" (unintended pun) for the money.

WTB has 2011 M.Y. 9er tubeless wheel sets ETA September, two levels: most affordable ever (IIRC a measly $350) and super high end maybe above the $770 Mavic Crossmax.

I'm completely sold on the advantages of 2x10 gears, coming on this build (lighter, instant gear change, no cross chain, more vertical clearance).  Only known downside is 2-4% less gearing extremes.  2x10 arrived 2010 M.Y. and only in the most costly build kits.  Mid-priced kits arrive 2011 M.Y. 

Popular opinion holds that new OEM front triple rings may disappear post 2013 (except for lowest cost entry bikes, where naive buyers want features over performance).       

Very cool looking bike, congrats on the new ride!  I don't think there are any Raleigh dealers around here but I'd love to test that bike.   I just rode my first 29er and can now understand the allure.  Very fast rolling design.  I'm torn between a 29er and a cyclocross bike.  I don't do as much off road riding since my bike accident about 7 years ago but I miss it.  Where did you get the Raleigh?

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 13 Aug 2010, 12:47 pm
I got this about a month ago.  This is my first 29er.  It's a HUGE improvement over my old bike.  I ride motorcross, and this bike feels much closer to that than my old 26" did.  Corners, downhill, climbing, etc... everything feels more stable overall better.  The place i ordered it from made a mistake on a previous order, so I got to take $100 off of this one. Very happy with this considering it was under $900   :D

(http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/images/cliff_29rteam2100.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Aug 2010, 12:48 pm
I'm not around this weekend, but you should come up to 9W next weekend...maybe Levi can come with us...!

Yeah, let's do that. 

I am going up to Jungle Habitat on a beginner's ride with some guys/girls from MTBNJ tomorrow.  That should be fun.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Aug 2010, 12:51 pm
The 42/29 front and 11-36 rear will work. However, most of your riding will be on the front 29 ring. Use Sheldon Brown's gear calculator and compare the gear combination that you are using now.

There is a good iPhone apps that I use... "bike gears".  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Aug 2010, 12:57 pm
I'm lucky enough to have a private, 2.5 mile track which my friend keeps cleared (we also use it for dirt bikes and 4wheelers).  Going for a night ride later tonight  :thumb:

I'm def'ly jealous.  I'd love something like that close by even if it weren't private.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Aug 2010, 01:08 pm
I plan to ride a few more times and then seriously consider loosing the big chainring on my bike in favor of a bash guard.  I've hit the big chain ring twice and I've only ridden it once seriously off-road.  I love hopping logs, plus I don't see the point of the 42T.  I may take the current 34 up a tick to 36 though.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 13 Aug 2010, 01:09 pm
I'm def'ly jealous.  I'd love something like that close by even if it were private.

I ended up doing 5 laps last night.  I have a video of us riding a lap.  I'll try to upload it to youtube when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 14 Aug 2010, 02:49 am
The 42/29 front and 11-36 rear will work. However, most of your riding will be on the front 29 ring. Use Sheldon Brown's gear calculator and compare the gear combination that you are using now.

There is a good iPhone apps that I use... "bike gears".  :thumb:

I have that app too!  :thumb:

Riding in 28-36 gets me pretty near to what I had on my Fat Chance (I had a 22 granny and a 34 as my biggest cog, but I rarely used 22-34...more like 22-30 as the smallest I would go.  But I'm also a little nervous with the 36 in back, because that would most likely mean a long cage rear derailleur....so I don't know yet... :scratch:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 14 Aug 2010, 02:50 am
I plan to ride a few more times and then seriously consider loosing the big chainring on my bike in favor of a bash guard.  I've hit the big chain ring twice and I've only ridden it once seriously off-road.  I love hopping logs, plus I don't see the point of the 42T.  I may take the current 34 up a tick to 36 though.

Fwiw, on my Fat Chance, I had a 46 in front...! :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 15 Aug 2010, 05:47 pm
Spent the weekend as the support crew for a couple of friends riding in the 2010 Leadville Trail 100 mountain bike race.  Here are some pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91042553@N00/sets/72157624730430614/

Levi Leipheimer won in record time (6 hours 16 minutes)...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mjosef on 15 Aug 2010, 05:58 pm
NYAR Levi?
Was he riding under an assumed name?  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 16 Aug 2010, 12:47 am
Spent the weekend as the support crew for a couple of friends riding in the 2010 Leadville Trail 100 mountain bike race.  Here are some pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91042553@N00/sets/72157624730430614/

Levi Leipheimer won in record time (6 hours 16 minutes)...

Darn, you are hanging with some heavy hitters.  It looks like a great time!  Please let us know if you post any additional pictures or details.  Cool stuff!


J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 16 Aug 2010, 02:15 am
It was really fun just being there :thumb:  Am still a little bummed that I didn't get in via the lottery, but I guess there is always next year...

My friends who raced did great for their first ultra-endurance event!  Am very proud of them...one guy finished in 12hrs 45min and got an official medal.  The other guy missed the cut-off by 10 minutes (total time was 13 hrs 10 mins) but at least made it to the finish...not bad for a couple of guys in their mid-40s!

Watching the pro racers was really something...those guys are from a different planet or something...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 18 Aug 2010, 01:47 am
I seriously can't imagine doing that many miles offroad.   I went to Tourne tonight with a guy from MTBNJ (last minute).   We did just 6.5 miles and I wanted to puke at least once.  We did a half dozen relatively short climbs but steep and very rocky with roots and small log hops in them. Not hardcore but enough to let me know I am not in great shape yet.

I really dig the technical aspect of finding the line and powering up.  I made it up all but one hill that did me in twice.  The "guide" said it was the hardest doable climb at Tourne.  Both times I lost it at the same place about 80% up, right before you have to go around a tree, whose roots are making havoc of the trail. 

We did some downhill stuff I'd consider a bit gnarly given the amount of large rocks to manuever.  I hear it is child's play compared to Jungle Habitat or Ringwood, but its nothing at all like the single-track stuff I did in SoCal.   The stuff in SoCal was bumpy dirt with 3' drops and ascends created by run off that we would do at ~20mph on the downhill.  Having ridden BMX tracks as a kid helped with this a lot.

I have to say, I'm sold on the 29'ers.  Given the amount of roots and rocks I rolled over with ease while my guide was picking more lines, I have to say I see the draw for why they are popular out here.  Having ridden some BMX in my youth and a 26'er in college in SoCal, I don't find my GF to be any less maneurable or agile.  I just can't bunny hop as high with it or ride wheelies very well yet.  The chainstay length and pivot distance is that much longer and makes it that much harder to ride wheelies. 

I built a lot of confidence tonight with clipless.  We were doing some somewhat technical rock climbs and descents and I didn't eat it on climbs like I did at Hartshorne.  I was able kick out fast enough when I lost momemtum.  I still have a ways to go before I start doing trial stunt with clipless, but I am getting faster and this was only my 2nd offroad ride.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 18 Aug 2010, 01:55 am
Great pictures Phil.  And I am sure a great time too.

While I realize the pro's have helped the cause and get the event more street cred, I always felt like that race was one for the locals or amatuers.  Guess with much in life, there are pro's and con's.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 18 Aug 2010, 02:44 pm
Here's my ride from last night.  I just got a new light for my bars and wanted to try it out.   I currently have a magicshine 900 for my helmet and a 1400 for my bars. It's like riding in daylight  :lol:

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/45022747
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 18 Aug 2010, 03:40 pm
Great lights for the money. I am curious about the new 1400 Magicshine.  How is it compared to the 900?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 18 Aug 2010, 04:01 pm
Great lights for the money. I am curious about the new 1400 Magicshine.  How is it compared to the 900?

I'm new to using these types of lights, so I can't really compare them to anything else, but below are a few thoughts:


It's more of a flood light than a spot light.  It doesn't have the same hot spot as the 900, and just using the middle light of the 3 isn't nearly as bright as the 900.  At first I was dissapointed because i was expecting it to be brighter, but the more I rode the more I liked it.  I liked it because i was able to keep my eyes and helmet light pointed out ahead of me on the trail while still being able to see things like rocks and roots that were closer to me with the 1400.

Another benifit I wasn't aware of until last night, is that using the 900 to light things close to my tires kills my night vision because of how bright it is.  Using the 1400 for things up close and the 900 for distance, helped prevent this.

Riding motocross, I was always taught to look ahead at where you want to go or end up in turns.  Doing this with just a helmet light takes most of the light away from your tires, leaving you somewhat blind to rocks and anything else directly in front of you.  Having the 1400 on the my bars fixed this issue.

The 1400 also has a button that changes colors to let you know the status of the battery.  I rode for about an hour and 45 minutes.  It seemed to change from green, to blue, to orange, so I'm not exactly sure how much charge was left, but I never saw Red, so I assume it had at least 25% left.

Complaints:
I broke one of the rubber rings used to hold the light on.  I did this while installing it but I was able to make the other rings work (it came with 3).

The screw on the base of the light was loose, but it was easily tightened.

One of the lenses on the small lights wasn't screwed in all the way and might have fallen out while riding if I hadn't noticed it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: James Romeyn on 20 Aug 2010, 03:10 am
...I have to say, I'm sold on the 29'ers.  Given the amount of roots and rocks I rolled over with ease while my guide was picking more lines, I have to say I see the draw for why they are popular out here...

I'm 6-3 and owned two FS 26 Specialized, the first a $2500 MSRP Stumpjumper, the second a $4k Epic Carbon.  Since trading the Epic for a $1900 29 HT aluminum I don't even consider 26 mountain bikes anymore.  Next is the 29 HT steel frame mentioned earlier, with 2x10 gears and new WTB tubeless (wheel arrive this fall).   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 22 Aug 2010, 03:31 pm
The 42/29 front and 11-36 rear will work. However, most of your riding will be on the front 29 ring. Use Sheldon Brown's gear calculator and compare the gear combination that you are using now.

There is a good iPhone apps that I use... "bike gears".  :thumb:

After thinking about it a bunch, I think I'm going to stick with a triple in front (going 3x9 or 3x10 instead of 2x10)...

Oh wait...I'm changing my mind again... :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Aug 2010, 05:32 pm
To each his own Phil.  BTW, are you still using triple in your road bikes?  My new road bike uses 2x10 which I think works truly great!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 22 Aug 2010, 06:21 pm
To each his own Phil.  BTW, are you still using triple in your road bikes?  My new road bike uses 2x10 which I think works truly great!

I've never used a triple on my road bikes...for road, I use pretty standard race stuff (53-39 chain-rings and 12-23 cassette in the back).  On my Spectrum (the bike I ride the most), I am using a 9-speed cassette....

My hesitation with 2x10 for the mtb comes from thinking about entering Leadville next year.  Both of my friends who raced it this year said that they used all the extremes on their 3x9 gearing (22-34 for climbs and 44-11 for downhills/flats) with lots of sections of 20% gradients that extend for long stretches.  With 2x10, those extreme ratios are missing by about 10%, and that spooks me just a little bit.  On the other hand, riding out here in NNJ, I don't think I've ever used those extreme ratios riding on local trails, which is what made me think about going 2x10 in the first place... :scratch:

Certainly I won't select my gearing based solely on the possibility of riding Leadville once...and I'm still checking to see if my 2004 frame will be "compatible" with the 2x10 crankset (which has a narrower Q-factor)...but even just from the perspective of my getting older makes me think about those smaller gears... :oops:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 23 Aug 2010, 01:52 pm
I am definitely loosing my big chainring in favor of a bashguard.   After riding JH yesterday, my suspicions were confirmed.  There really is no reason around here to use the big ring off-piste.  It only serves to lower your clearance.   

In fact, yesterday, except for one steep road climb near the end of our trek, I never used the FD at all.  I am not ready to loose the granny gear, but it is tempting to set it up 1x9. 

Jungle Habitat did make me pause a bit about the 29er.  I'd have been more comfortable in length and turning radius with a 26'er.  The single track at JH is very narrow with super tight turns which was a challenge.  That trail was made for 26'ers.

Still I think I was benfitting for a better roll-over in some places and had a higher clearance for some of the "trail features". 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Aug 2010, 02:03 pm
Hey Phil, If you use a 22 or 24 granny and 34 rear in my opinion it is so slow that I'd rather cx the bike (cx is cyclocross :) ).  You might not make it to the cut off point at Leadville.  Imagine missing it by 10mins.  :evil:   LOL!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 23 Aug 2010, 02:26 pm
Hey Phil, If you use a 22 or 24 granny and 34 rear in my opinion it is so slow that I'd rather cx the bike (cx is cyclocross :) ).  You might not make it to the cut off point at Leadville.  Imagine missing it by 10mins.  :evil:   LOL!

I thought so too, but on a 20% grade, being able to ride at 2mph is faster than walking the bike at 1mph...and having to do that over an 8-mile climb definitely runs the risk of missing the cut-off.  One of my friends did, in fact, miss the final cut-off by exactly 10 minutes...over the whole 100 mile course, that is missing it by about 6 seconds per mile... :duh:  So having an edge on the low-gears for the hills is a big deal.  And for that matter, so is having the appropriate big gear for the flats and downhills...

(note: the 8-mile climb has an average grade of 8%, so it's not like it would be 2mph up the whole thing...but there are *long* stretches of 20% grade on three of the major climbs...)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Aug 2010, 02:47 pm
My gear calculator gives my 39 front and 36T rear = 28.4 gear inch.  That is at 90 RPM will be 7.6mph which is 7m53s per mile.  Fast enough for racing on a 10-20% grade.  Lewis Morris Park has 4miles incline of loose gravel and roots at 10-15% grade.

I barely redline a 39 front and 11 rear on a dirt road.  That is good for 25mph on a gravel spinning at 90RPM.  That is extremely fast and you cannot make sharp turns.  :)   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 23 Aug 2010, 03:18 pm
My gear calculator gives my 39 front and 36T rear = 28.4 gear inch.  That is at 90 RPM will be 7.6mph which is 7m53s per mile.  Fast enough for racing on a 10-20% grade.  Lewis Morris Park has 4miles incline of loose gravel and roots at 10-15% grade.

There's no way I could do a 20% grade using a 39 in front... :oops:  I will have to try Lewis Morris Park, but I will say that there is nothing I have ridden in Ringwood or Blue Mountain that comes even close to the hills at Leadville in terms of a combination of grade and length.

Fwiw, to finish Leadville in under 12 hours, your average speed over the entire course would need to be 8.333mph...more than a 3rd of the racers do not finish... 

Quote
I barely redline a 39 front and 11 rear on a dirt road.  That is good for 25mph on a gravel spinning at 90RPM.  That is extremely fast and you cannot make sharp turns.  :)

According to my friends' Garmins, their max speed at Leadville was 40+ mph... 8)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 25 Aug 2010, 10:40 pm
What options for tires are there that work with the ZTR rims?  And what hubs are you using?

Sorry - I hadn't checked this thread in a while...

I'm using Hadley Racing XC hubs.  They weren't the lightest option available, but they are very smooth and the rear hub has what I believe to be the fastest engagement offered on any rear MTB hub.  (5 degrees vs. 15 degrees or more for most other hubs.)  I also looked at White Industries, DT Swiss and Hope.  One nice thing about the Hadley hubs is that I can convert them to any of the currently known mounting systems.  The ratchet sound when coasting is louder than my previous Bontrager hubs, but not enough to bother me.

As for tires, many of the big MTB tire manufacturers have tires that are compatible with Stan's rims now, though I haven't done a meaningful survey lately.  I decided to try the Geax Saguaro 26x2.2" TNT ("Tube No Tube") tire.  I suspect I would have been better off with the 2.0" width instead of the 2.2", given XC type riding on typically dry dirt/sand/rock Colorado trails.  These feel looser than I'd like in sandier corners, but I can't tell how much of that is the tire itself vs the chosen width and lower pressure I'm riding at with the tubeless setup.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2010, 01:52 am
Sorry to blow your bubble.  You might want to check I9's 3degree of engagement.   :lol:


Holy 120 engagement points! How strong is your drive mechanism?  The Industry Nine drive mechanism is a fairly simple, tried-and-true pawl arrangement. When engaged, each of the three driving pawls itself has three points, providing nine points of contact to the hardened A2 drive ring. The drive ring has 60 teeth, which would normally allow a 6-degree engagement – among the fastest in the industry. Our proprietary mechanism allows for a second set of three pawls, phased three degrees from the first. This feature cuts engagement time in half, to a mind-blowing three degrees! Our lightning quick take-up has become highly desirable on singlespeeds, twenty-niners, and disciplines with gate starts. We have tested our drive system beyond 700 ft-lbs of torque, which amounts roughly to a super-chipped Ford Power Stroke turbo diesel engine. In over two years of prototyping and testing, we have had zero drive mechanism failures. 
They weren't the lightest option available, but they are very smooth and the rear hub has what I believe to be the fastest engagement offered on any rear MTB hub.  (5 degrees vs. 15 degrees or more for most other hubs.)  I also looked at White Industries, DT Swiss and Hope.  One nice thing about the Hadley hubs is that I can convert them to any of the currently known mounting systems.  The ratchet sound when coasting is louder than my previous Bontrager hubs, but not enough to bother me.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 26 Aug 2010, 03:46 am
D'oh!

Figures!  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2010, 05:52 am
:lol:

3 or 6 deg they are both equally fast!  You will only notice the difference when you use slow hubs like for example Mavic hubs.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 26 Aug 2010, 11:06 am
Ok, so I have to put forth the Chris King engagement info...! 8)


"All of our rear hubs utilize our patented RingDrive™ engagement mechanism. RingDrive™ uses 72 engagement teeth on each drive ring. That means the hub engages over 3 times quicker than the standard 24 tooth pawl-type freehub. Trying to get started again in the middle of a steep uphill section? Going for the surprise jump to drop your buddies? This unique design offers instant and positive engagement that's capable of handling a torque load of over 800ft/lbs, or over three times more than most other high end hubs we've tested. It is the heart of our hub and all the rest is built around it."

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2010, 01:28 pm
This is one of the many reason's I love my I9. It is also the "King of Bling".  :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 26 Aug 2010, 04:01 pm
Yep, I'd briefly looked at the Chris King as well.  360 deg / 72 = 5 deg engagement, matching the Hadley, but losing by 2 deg to the "king of bling"! ;)

I don't remember off hand why I stopped considering the CK, though I was getting advice from my wheel builder at the time.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 26 Aug 2010, 04:51 pm
Yep, I'd briefly looked at the Chris King as well.  360 deg / 72 = 5 deg engagement, matching the Hadley, but losing by 2 deg to the "king of bling"! ;)

I don't remember off hand why I stopped considering the CK, though I was getting advice from my wheel builder at the time.

One of the things that some people don't like about the CK is the sound that it makes....(I actually really like the sound!)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Aug 2010, 04:54 pm
The only problem I see with CK probably is the wait time ?!?

They are all great hubs! 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 28 Aug 2010, 06:50 pm
I've used many hubs, they all have their pros and cons.... for me the simplicity of the DT system wins, now that they have 36 point engagement. For me that is enough, and the DT hubs are also very quiet which is nice. Buzzing is only pleasant because people associate it with quality hubs, the buzzing in and of itsself is annoying, try switching back to a quiet hub and see.  :green:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 28 Aug 2010, 09:21 pm
Buzzing is only pleasant because people associate it with quality hubs, the buzzing in and of itsself is annoying, try switching back to a quiet hub and see.  :green:

I like the buzzing because it lets the guy in front of me know that I'm there coasting... :P
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Aug 2010, 10:28 pm
For those of you in the NE, I recommend you check out 6 Mile Run.  Its not the most technical terrain, meaning it is quite a bit more smooth track than Northern NJ.  It also has virtually no climbing.  However, it has lots of "twisties", meaning lots of switchback style singletrack, testing your best speed versus braking ability.  It also has lots of trail features off to the side of the track, such as large log piles, jumps, drops, log rides, bridges, long skinnies with multiple pumps.   It was great fun.

Here is a new feature, a log bridge elevated about 3.5-4 feet and maybe 20 feet long.. 


(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj237/wobbegong11/Mobile%20Uploads/0711000945.jpg)


You had to take it with speed and I still felt like I almost lost balance.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 30 Aug 2010, 05:44 pm
Not long ago I heard of a bike trail close by, and so I went with a friend to check it out.  We figured we'd hike it before we took our bikes.  Turned out to be a lot longer than we anticipated, and I almost ran out of water even though I took 4 liters.  There were also seed ticks and lots of very steep climbs.

Overall though, it was really enjoyable and I can't wait to get my bike out there.  There's an additional 6 mile loop that we didn't hike. It's supposed to be for experts only but we plan to check it out when we get the chance.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/46406779

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Aug 2010, 09:16 pm
12 mile hike is a long way.  Glad you did not get lost.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Aug 2010, 11:51 pm
Phil, you got to hurry and finish that bike build so you can show me Ringwood. 

I'm actually dreaming of a bike build myself.   I know its completely stupid at this point, but I'd really like to build a more aggressive riding bike, somethink like a Transition TransAm.  It more BMX oriented like I remember riding.   I love the GF for speed and rollover, but its not really "flickable".   Right now its just dreaming as I am not dropping any more cash on bikes.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Aug 2010, 11:56 pm
The only picture I got from last w/e's ride.  Of course, when I redid it so my friend could snap the shot, I got a bad entry and had to bail.  First time I made it about 2/3rds of the way.   The entry ramp was about 20 degrees off from the log so you had to turn upon arrival.  You can't see it but you also had a log over about 10 yards prior to ramp. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=34879)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Aug 2010, 02:09 am
What do you guys think about 29ers vs 26 mtbs?  I'm looking at a new mtb this Fall and am thinking I might go with the New Epic Carbon Expert 29er.  Any ideas?  I'm probably sticking with Specialized though because I can get a good deal at my LBS.  I'm not really a technical mtb rider but I need a FS bike for my lower back issues.  I'll most likely ride doubletrack and relatively smooth singletrack.  Also, next summer I've been invited on a Trans-Alp off-road ride. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 31 Aug 2010, 02:17 am
The only picture I got from last w/e's ride.  Of course, when I redid it so my friend could snap the shot, I got a bad entry and had to bail.  First time I made it about 2/3rds of the way.   The entry ramp was about 20 degrees off from the log so you had to turn upon arrival.  You can't see it but you also had a log over about 10 yards prior to ramp. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=34879)

Nice shot!  You have really jumped into mountain biking.  It's great to see someone out there hitting the trails with a shiny new bike.  Sounds like you were really bit by the bug.

I gave up aggressive off-road cycling after I injured my shoulder  (the pain of surgery and physical therepy were too much for me) but I miss the challenges of technical riding.  It's very cool to see how much fun you are having.

Thanks!

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 31 Aug 2010, 03:23 am
WNC,
Everyone is their own movie critic, but I am partial to 29's.  Then again, I am also a hard tail person.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Aug 2010, 03:38 am
WNC,
Everyone is their own movie critic, but I am partial to 29's.  Then again, I am also a hard tail person.
Yeah, it's a hot debate depending on who you ask.  At 6'3" a 29er seems to fit a bit better.  I guess I really need to demo one to know for sure. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Aug 2010, 03:50 am
That Epic Carbon Expert Evo 29er is one nice looking bike!   :thumb:

You should test drive one to really find out if it is for you.  Don't forget to bring your clipless pedals and shoes.

(http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/Specialized/8047?)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 31 Aug 2010, 04:04 am
Don't forget to check out the "lefty's".  While odd looking, they seems to do well.  Though that is coming from a roadie so the grain of salt,
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Aug 2010, 12:12 pm
That Epic Carbon Expert Evo 29er is one nice looking bike!   :thumb:

You should test drive one to really find out if it is for you.  Don't forget to bring your clipless pedals and shoes.

(http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/Specialized/8047?)

It won't be the Evo which is a 1x10 bike. I'll certainly get a 2x10.  But the frame is the same, not sure of the parts mix. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 31 Aug 2010, 12:36 pm
I put a GT Peace 9r multi together for a friend last night.  I'm VERY impressed with it for the money ($525 shipped).  The only weakness that stood out, is that the brakes feel a little underpowered.   First time to ride a steel frame bike, but I think I like it.

(http://www.performancebike.com/images/performance/products/1500/30-1470-TAN-ANGLE.jpg)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 31 Aug 2010, 01:42 pm
Regarding the 29er vs 26er debate, here is my $.02.  I haven't ridden any 26ers recently, I am going from very distant memory and some conjecture. 

29er:  Feels very fast.  A lot of your pedaling energy gets transferred into forward motion.  Roll-over advantage is real and noticeable. 
To its disadvantages, its BB height feels a bit tall leading to a slightly twitchier lateral stability.  Together with its longer wheel base makes really tight switch-backs feel tighter.   My GF 29er is less "flickable" than other MTBs I've ridden, which means jumps and stuff are less styled.  That might mean nothing to you.   I can pop wheelies easily on it, but I can't ride them dozens of yards like I use to on my old 26er. 
I definitely think that a tall rider will feel at home on a 29er.  Also if you are riding smoother less super techy trails you likely will never notice any disadvantage. 

Some of all of this might be me just getting used to the different feel of a slightly larger bike that the GF is.  I definitely love how fast it feels and how great the roll over feels.   I am just thinking of having another bike in the stable to tackle stuff like Jungle Habitat up north which is really techy, rocky and super tight and twisting.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Aug 2010, 02:01 pm
Phil, you got to hurry and finish that bike build so you can show me Ringwood. 

Hopefully I'll have it in a week or two!  I'll say, tho, that I really like Stewart Forest and anticipate that that will be my first trail on the new bike...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Aug 2010, 02:07 pm
What do you guys think about 29ers vs 26 mtbs?  I'm looking at a new mtb this Fall and am thinking I might go with the New Epic Carbon Expert 29er.  Any ideas?  I'm probably sticking with Specialized though because I can get a good deal at my LBS.  I'm not really a technical mtb rider but I need a FS bike for my lower back issues.  I'll most likely ride doubletrack and relatively smooth singletrack.  Also, next summer I've been invited on a Trans-Alp off-road ride.

I've never ridden a 29er so I can't speak from experience.  But I've been told by guys who are committed to 29ers that getting full-suspension on a 29er is overkill and is "the worst of both worlds" (heavy, inefficient, etc)...so you either go hard-tail 29er or full-suspension 26er...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 31 Aug 2010, 02:16 pm
Hopefully I'll have it in a week or two!  I'll say, tho, that I really like Stewart Forest and anticipate that that will be my first trail on the new bike...

I've heard great things about Stewart, so I'd be down for going there too!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 31 Aug 2010, 02:20 pm
I've heard great things about Stewart, so I'd be down for going there too!

We'll get Levi out too!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 31 Aug 2010, 03:10 pm
Nice shot!  You have really jumped into mountain biking.  It's great to see someone out there hitting the trails with a shiny new bike.  Sounds like you were really bit by the bug.

I gave up aggressive off-road cycling after I injured my shoulder  (the pain of surgery and physical therepy were too much for me) but I miss the challenges of technical riding.  It's very cool to see how much fun you are having.

Thanks!

Jack

Thanks.  Yeah, it makes me feel young again.  When I was a kid, I loved nothing more than jumping my BMX and going to the national track in Sumner, WA (couple miles down the street).  When I was in college, I had a rigid 26'er that I used to ride single-track with my neighbor out in the foothills of SoCal.  We also would go riding in the development areas and drop all the 3 foot tiers they built.  When I got a MTB again, its like nothing changed. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Aug 2010, 03:10 pm
Stewart State Forest has an excellent fast and flowing single-track that would go 20+miles.  It is normally one-way loop if you follow the DarkHorse 40 race course.  Don't go there without a navigational tool or late in the afternoon without lights.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 31 Aug 2010, 04:01 pm
I've never ridden a 29er so I can't speak from experience.  But I've been told by guys who are committed to 29ers that getting full-suspension on a 29er is overkill and is "the worst of both worlds" (heavy, inefficient, etc)...so you either go hard-tail 29er or full-suspension 26er...

You know, the S-Works Epic 29er weighs just 21.5#!  Not that I would spend that kind of money on a mtb.  I've ridden the Epic 26 and I like the platform feel.  It's locked out until you need the suspension.  On the 29er I think that would make it work pretty well.  My friend in Colorado has a 29 FS with 5" of travel and loves it for Fruita.  But opinions are all over the map which tells me there are more uninformed people making guesses as fact than those that really have experience. 

Josh, I'm concerned about climbing on the 29er vs the 26.  I worry the extra mass of the larger wheel will make some climbs more difficult.  I just have to try one.  My LBS will have a demo bike in fairly soon for me to demo.  I'm not the most aggressive rider.  I do want a bike that will ride the White Rim in Canyonlands well and marathon rides similar to that.  So efficiency, comfort and fit are more important than sheer trail or all mountain capability. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 31 Aug 2010, 04:13 pm

Josh, I'm concerned about climbing on the 29er vs the 26.  I worry the extra mass of the larger wheel will make some climbs more difficult. 

I went from a 26 hardtail to a 29 hardtail.

With the 26 on the technical or steep climbs, I was always fighting the back wheel spinning or the front tire coming off the ground.  I don't seem to have either of those issues nearly as often now that I'm riding a 29.  I also love getting  momentum built up and flying up steep, rough, but short hills on the 29.  It's like the hill isn't even there.

I haven't really ridden any yet with the 29, but I would think that on long smooth climbs, the 26 would have the advantage.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 1 Sep 2010, 02:29 am
You know, the S-Works Epic 29er weighs just 21.5#!

How much does the S-Works Epic 26er weigh?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 1 Sep 2010, 02:52 am
How much does the S-Works Epic 26er weigh?

IDK.  They aren't bragging on that one like this new 29er.  But at $9400 msrp it's way too rich for my wallet. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 1 Sep 2010, 03:04 am
I've never ridden a 29er so I can't speak from experience.  But I've been told by guys who are committed to 29ers that getting full-suspension on a 29er is overkill and is "the worst of both worlds" (heavy, inefficient, etc)...so you either go hard-tail 29er or full-suspension 26er...

It depends where you ride. I've demo'd a couple of FS 29ers, an Intense Spider and a Turner Sultan. The suspension is a big advantage climbing rocky, techy terrain, and on rocky trails in general. The Intense was the best climbing bike I've ever been on, it feels like you can climb up a tree on that bike. The Sultan was more relaxed but not as efficient climbing. A FS 29er is overkill on "normal" trails for sure, but we do have some brutal trails here in CO, and they are the ones I prefer to ride...

I'd probably stick with a light FS 26er, I like the lighter and stronger wheels and tires, better forks, more tire selection, faster acceleration and better maneuverability...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 1 Sep 2010, 03:15 am
I worry the extra mass of the larger wheel will make some climbs more difficult.  I just have to try one.

A 29er rolls over obstacles more efficiently once it gets up to speed but accelerates slower. If you are maintaining consistent speed up a hill I believe the 29er is going to use less energy getting you up the hill because the larger wheel's diameter and momentum carry it over imperfections and obstacles with less loss of speed. It will also have an advantage climbing techy and difficult terrain for the same reasons. On tight twisty singletrack a 26er will be more lively and accelerate out of corners and respond faster when you stand up and hammer. A 29er is a mixed bag on the dh, sometimes it's nice that it rolls over stuff but the heavier wheels and much larger gyroscopic effect are noticeable. And, if you get a 26er you have better fork and tire selection... The fork thing is really big deal on a FS bike, unless I can get a fork that performs like a Fox 36 RC2 I'm not interested in a 29er.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Sep 2010, 10:10 pm
Today I rode with a group of 10 (incl. me) at Wawayanda State Park.  Those were some nice trails.  In between the super techy Jungle Habitat and the super smooth 6 Mile.  Plenty of rocks, but not quite as many steep climbs through large rock gardens.

I've ridden real trails now 5 times and haven't visited the same place twice.  Hartshorne, Tourne, Jungle Habitat, 6 Mile Run and today Wawayanda.  Tomorrow I am going to ride Lewis Morris with the same group.   They were a good group for me, not too newb, but not racers and ultra marathoners either.  We stopped plenty as much for on track repairs (3) as for catchy our breathe.

Wawa had a good mix of terrain.  Mud, rocks, smooth forest single track, rock gardens, bridges, log overs, medium climbs and some techy decents (which I love!).

I actually rode an endo for 10-20 feet doing about 15mph.  We were bombing done a rocky trail and I dropped off a 1' boulder at good speed while riding both brake moderately.  I was over the back of my seat as should be but when my front wheel touched down I went up on the wheel riding it.  I thought for sure I was OTB, but I managed to ride it off.   Adrenalin was pumping pretty good.



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Sep 2010, 03:41 am
Good riding there Josh.  LOL! 

I am going to Jungle Habitat tomorrow with my racing buddies.  Looking forward to riding off-road again (I have been riding on-road). :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Sep 2010, 03:27 pm
JH is way fun, but pretty hard too.  If it weren't so slippery it might have been a bit easier, but the rain on the rocks and roots was like grease.

Just got back from Lewis Morris.  That place was fun but I was definitely feeling the burn from two days in a row.  I am going tomorrow morning back to 6 Mile Run with a friend and a couple for the group I rode today.  This should be interesting, as my legs really are quite sore.

LM is fun because you climb a fair amount and when you are ready to curse it, you get to bomb down again.   I like the pay off after your climb.   According to Jay's computer we averaged about 21mph on the downhills.   I was right on his ass.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Sep 2010, 12:53 pm
3 days in a row and I'm feeling the soreness today.  I felt better yesterday then the second day as there wasn't much climbing at 6 Mile. 

I really want to go to Ringwood next weekend, but got to find someone who knows it. 

Levi, how did you like JH?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 7 Sep 2010, 01:56 pm
I went mountain biking with my mom over the weekend.  About a month ago i sold her my old bike and she's been riding on golf cart paths near where she lives for exercise.  She's 52 and it's been 20+ years since she's been on a bike.

This was her first time ever on a mountain bike trail. She had a few wrecks, but I was really impressed.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/47765700
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 7 Sep 2010, 02:07 pm
I went mountain biking with my mom over the weekend.  About a month ago i sold her my old bike and she's been riding on golf cart paths near where she lives for exercise.  She's 52 and it's been 20+ years since she's been on a bike.

This was her first time ever on a mountain bike trail. She had a few wrecks, but I was really impressed.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/47765700

Can't view, restricted.   

Congrats on getting your mom on the trails!  She's still riding after a couple wrecks?  That is very impressive.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Sep 2010, 02:20 pm
The Jungle Habitat is fun trail.  I had been riding road bikes lately and was at first was overwhelmed with the site of the rocks. However, it only took a few minutes to get accustomed to the terrain and accept the fact that it is going to be rough all they way.  LOL!  I think they put those huge rocks in your path in purpose to minimize soil erosion.   It is a wheel stopper if you are going too slow and don't pick the right line.  We did not see any bears or tigers. 8)  Rough roads, I love my Ti frame!

3 days in a row and I'm feeling the soreness today.  I felt better yesterday then the second day as there wasn't much climbing at 6 Mile. 

I really want to go to Ringwood next weekend, but got to find someone who knows it. 

Levi, how did you like JH?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Sep 2010, 02:30 pm
Congrats!  No one is too old to ride bikes. :thumb:

Riding actually perceives you to be 10yrs younger.   :D

I went mountain biking with my mom over the weekend.  About a month ago i sold her my old bike and she's been riding on golf cart paths near where she lives for exercise.  She's 52 and it's been 20+ years since she's been on a bike.

This was her first time ever on a mountain bike trail. She had a few wrecks, but I was really impressed.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/47765700
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 7 Sep 2010, 02:35 pm
Can't view, restricted.   

Congrats on getting your mom on the trails!  She's still riding after a couple wrecks?  That is very impressive.

Cheers,

J

sorry, I fixed the link. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/47765700

She had several wrecks and an endo on a steep downhill section.  I had forgotten how difficult parts of the trail were.   Her main issue was that she was going too slow over roots, which would cause her to stop and lose her balance. Next time she'll be wearing one of these.

(http://www.pricepoint.com/images/styleImages/D_535%20GDNLF8.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Sep 2010, 03:13 pm
The Jungle Habitat is fun trail.  I had been riding road bikes lately and was at first was overwhelmed with the site of the rocks. However, it only took a few minutes to get accustomed to the terrain and accept the fact that it is going to be rough all they way.  LOL!  I think they put those huge rocks in your path in purpose to minimize soil erosion.   It is a wheel stopper if you are going too slow and don't pick the right line.  We did not see any bears or tigers. 8)  Rough roads, I love my Ti frame!


Imagine doing the upper portion of Animal Chute after pouring down rain!  It was so slippery we had to walk parts of it.  Riding that course built my confidence to ride anything, so in the end it was good.  I rode it with clipless even with sliding all over I was able to step out when needed.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Sep 2010, 03:39 pm
We did 10miles scoping the race course for next weeks' race.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/47821252
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: cornelius on 7 Sep 2010, 07:20 pm
Levi, Have you tried the Hither Hills trail out in Montauk?  It's really fun - pretty easy, but it's a beautiful ride overlooking the water at various elevations. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Sep 2010, 01:36 am
Yes.  I have been there last year when they have the Bike Festival.  It is easy to get lost but I always remembered where the railroad tracks were relative to the water. :)  Beautiful place indeed!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 8 Sep 2010, 11:02 am
The Jungle Habitat is fun trail.  I had been riding road bikes lately and was at first was overwhelmed with the site of the rocks. However, it only took a few minutes to get accustomed to the terrain and accept the fact that it is going to be rough all they way.  LOL!  I think they put those huge rocks in your path in purpose to minimize soil erosion.   It is a wheel stopper if you are going too slow and don't pick the right line.  We did not see any bears or tigers. 8)  Rough roads, I love my Ti frame!

Levi, now you know how I felt at Stewart Forest!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Sep 2010, 12:19 pm
Yeah Phil, I haven't ridden my Merlin in a month or two.  Having my road bike fitted me like a glove, I noticed how different my Mountain Bike setup is.  It only took less than a mile to get back into the groove.  :)

I was thinking about the 29er wheel.  They do have an advantage in rolling over rocks and the angle of approach but it is still up to the rider to navigate the large rocks.  ;)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Sep 2010, 01:16 pm
I've been the opposite.  Haven't ridden my Road bike in 3 or 4 weeks.  I just hate fighting my way through traffic.   There is just no real good roads to do during the week around here except to navigate city traffic.    Weekends are for off-road.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: cornelius on 8 Sep 2010, 04:00 pm
Yes.  I have been there last year when they have the Bike Festival.  It is easy to get lost but I always remembered where the railroad tracks were relative to the water. :)  Beautiful place indeed!

You're right, it is easy to get lost there! 
That was the first trail that I tried my 29er on...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Oct 2010, 02:38 pm
Did anyone catch the MTB world championship at Quebec this weekend on TV?  I happened to get back from riding on Saturday and was flipping channels and saw it.   That XC course looked brutally slippery.  Lots of wipeouts.

This MTB'g hobby hasn't left me much time for my DIY hobby, but that is ok, this is better for my health.  Lately I haven't really obsessed about audio at all and actually find myself getting bored with some of the topics.   I have been listening to music, but just as my system stands.

Josh
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Oct 2010, 03:12 pm
I have it recorded in my DVR somewhere.  I watched Road World Championships: Road Race Men's Elite:  From Melbourne, Australia.  Thor won with his Cervelo bike.  :thumb:  Likewise with cyclocross races which is catching up here in US. :) 

UniSport ch 176 (Time Warner Cable)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 10 Oct 2010, 03:56 pm
My new ride (Thanks Tone Depth for the awesome wheels!)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36902)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36903)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36904)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36905)

Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe
SRAM X0 2x10 (39/26...11-36), including Truvativ X0 crank
Avid CR Elixir disc brakes
Fox Forx F80 RLT suspension fork
Crank Brothers Eggbeater SL pedals
Wheels by TONE DEPTH:
- Chris King Iso Disc hubs
- Stan's Arch Rims
- Wheelsmith DB14 spokes
Thomson Elite Seatpost
Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 (carbon) flat handlebars
Schwalbe Nobby Nic tires (tubeless)

Saddle and stem are temporary until adjustments can be made.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 10 Oct 2010, 07:33 pm
Congrats on the beautiful new ride. I love IF and hope to own one of their bikes one of these days. More pictures please!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 10 Oct 2010, 08:01 pm
Nice bike spec Phil. 

I see you went with a 2x10.  Anyway, how do you like the hydraulic brakes disc brakes?!? :)

What can I say, it is race ready!  :thumb: 

Congrats!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 10 Oct 2010, 09:01 pm
Here's another pic...got it dirty!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36932)

A closer look at TONE DEPTH's handywork...


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=36933)

Re: hydraulic brakes...I can stop now! :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 11 Oct 2010, 02:59 am
Sweet ride Phil.  The more dirt the better.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 11 Oct 2010, 07:53 pm
Phil, I'm glad to hear you like riding your new wheels, and on such a classy new bike!  If anyone else is in need of a mountain bike custom wheel set, or a road bike custom wheel set, feel free to PM me.

My new ride (Thanks Tone Depth for the awesome wheels!)

Independent Fabrication Ti Deluxe
SRAM X0 2x10 (39/26...11-36), including Truvativ X0 crank
Avid CR Elixir disc brakes
Fox Forx F80 RLT suspension fork
Crank Brothers Eggbeater SL pedals
Wheels by TONE DEPTH:
- Chris King Iso Disc hubs
- Stan's Arch Rims
- Wheelsmith DB14 spokes
Thomson Elite Seatpost
Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 (carbon) flat handlebars
Schwalbe Nobby Nic tires (tubeless)

Saddle and stem are temporary until adjustments can be made.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 11 Oct 2010, 08:10 pm
Nice ride Phil! Are you running a Thomson post on that? I really dig the wheels too. I went tubeless this year and love the feel of them, and no more flats as well (so far).

Have you ever thought about cutting off the extra bit of threads sticking out of your rear skewer?

Doug
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 11 Oct 2010, 08:13 pm
Oops, just saw that it is a Thomson!  :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 11 Oct 2010, 09:38 pm
Thanks for the plug Tone. I happened to love I9 wheelset. I love so much I have 2 sets. LOL!

Phil, I'm glad to hear you like riding your new wheels, and on such a classy new bike!  If anyone else is in need of a mountain bike custom wheel set, or a road bike custom wheel set, feel free to PM me.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 11 Oct 2010, 11:47 pm
Nice ride Phil! Are you running a Thomson post on that? I really dig the wheels too. I went tubeless this year and love the feel of them, and no more flats as well (so far).

Have you ever thought about cutting off the extra bit of threads sticking out of your rear skewer?

Doug

Yep..it's a Thomson Elite post.  And I'm going to get a Thomson X4 stem...the stem that's on there is a loaner from my LBS (Tenafly Bicycle Workshop...great guys! http://www.bicycleworkshop.com) they let me use to see what length/rise might work well for me. 

And thanks for pointing out the skewer length...will have the shop cut it...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 12 Oct 2010, 02:15 pm
I've always been a bit anal about having things match. I need the seatpost and stem to match, or the stem and handlebars. Just my own bit of OCD I guess!

The Thomson s.p. and stem will look great together. But more importantly they are bombproof!  It's nice that the shop lets you test out stems to get the right size. I guess when you're putting down some serious coin for an IF Ti frame the customer service aspect should follow suit.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Oct 2010, 02:29 pm
That is a personal preference thing. 

Normally you match the color of the handle bar grips with the color of your seats.  Then Seatpost and Stem.  Also, Skewers to wheels.

Finally but not ultimately, color of Jersey/shorts/shoes to helmet and bike. :)

Again, it is personal preference.  But surely, they do look good when properly matched.



I've always been a bit anal about having things match. I need the seatpost and stem to match, or the stem and handlebars. Just my own bit of OCD I guess!

The Thomson s.p. and stem will look great together. But more importantly they are bombproof!  It's nice that the shop lets you test out stems to get the right size. I guess when you're putting down some serious coin for an IF Ti frame the customer service aspect should follow suit.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Oct 2010, 02:40 pm
The color scheme is more critical in road bikes but equally important if you have mtb aswell.  LOL.   :thumb:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l242/Kampamilya/LMC2010%20by%20Jayson/jaysonpics8.jpg)
Merlin XLM

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040/_DSC3530x.jpg)
Note the tinker bell (my most recent upgrade)  :lol:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9327.jpg)
Clean bike
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 12 Oct 2010, 02:56 pm
Very nice Levi! Maybe you can get Stan's to switch to blue stickers for their rims. Then you'll be all set!  :lol:

I especially like the blue anodized water bottle cage screws.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 12 Oct 2010, 04:03 pm
I've always been a bit anal about having things match. I need the seatpost and stem to match, or the stem and handlebars. Just my own bit of OCD I guess!

You know, I've never really thought about it, but that's what usually happens with my bikes...!

Quote
The Thomson s.p. and stem will look great together. But more importantly they are bombproof!  It's nice that the shop lets you test out stems to get the right size. I guess when you're putting down some serious coin for an IF Ti frame the customer service aspect should follow suit.

Actually, I bought the IF frame from eBay...just went to the shop to have them help me build it up.  But the customer service at this shop is really terrific; the co-owner really knows his stuff when it comes to mountain bikes, so he was just as thrilled as I was to build this one up. 

But in terms of "serious coin", all this stuff pales in comparison to audio gear...! :o
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Oct 2010, 05:39 pm
I agree with Phil about the price of audio vs bike gears. However both have 200% markup. LOL!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 12 Oct 2010, 05:53 pm
I built up a 29'er this year so I had to get new wheels also. I still can't believe the wheels cost more than my frame! Of course the carbon fork set me back a little as well.  :lol:

You guys are right though. Every time I bring something new into the house, whether bike or audio related, my wife gives me the same old, "how much did that cost?!!!".  :nono:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Oct 2010, 02:15 pm
Mild tangent::

I now need some gear for cooler/colder weather to keep riding.  What do you guys wear for cooler weather that you really like.  I really don't know much about how many layers, etc, so any insight is helpful.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Oct 2010, 03:02 pm
Check out Gore Bike Wear and Wool socks for winter.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Oct 2010, 03:13 pm
I like Craft stuff for baselayers.  Louis Garneau makes a great 3-in-1 full-finger glove for varying degrees of coldness, as well as booties to cover your shoes.  When it gets really cold, using a ski balaclava is a good idea...otherwise, a simple skullcap or headband to cover your ears works wonders...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 13 Oct 2010, 03:19 pm
I live in Michigan so I have clothes for anything from 100 degree heat to sub-zero temps. And that's just for one days worth of riding!  :lol:

In the fall I just add a long sleeve jersey for as long as I can. As the temps drop I'll go to tights instead of my bib shorts, a short sleeve base layer with a long sleeve light jersey, and maybe a light windbreaker jacket. I use a hydration pak so I can always take stuff off if I get too warm and stuff it in the pak.

For really extreme weather, 30 degrees and below, I wear thermal tights, long sleeve base layer, long sleeve heavy jersey, and my down insulated waterproof/windproof shell. I'll also wear some kind of wool cap under my helmet and wool socks (that I always wear no matter the temp.).

For me, the areas that need the most protection are the hands and feet. Look at getting some kind of waterproof, insulated booties. I usually wear down insulated, windproof gloves/mittens as well.

There are so many companies that make bike appropriate gear these days, but I tend to gravitate towards Pearl Izumi. They hit many different price points and have quality gear that lasts for a long time.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bunnyma357 on 13 Oct 2010, 03:27 pm
Mild tangent::

I now need some gear for cooler/colder weather to keep riding.  What do you guys wear for cooler weather that you really like.  I really don't know much about how many layers, etc, so any insight is helpful.

I used to commute year round, even in snow - and here's the gear I liked.

I really like the PolarTec Tights, Pants, Tops and Jackets from Col d'Lizard. I also like the really cheap fleece pants from Performance Bike. I haven't bought stuff in a while, but when I did I think they had fairly regular sales on this stuff.

http://www.coldlizard.com/

http://www.performancebike.com/bikes//Product_10052_10551_1008462_-1___


I also really like the DeFeet Blaze wool socks, and their wool Arm & leg warmers are great for spring & fall transition weather.

http://www.defeet.com/product.php?id=133

http://www.defeet.com/prodlist.php?lt=w


For feet Lake Winter MXZ302's are nice but expensive.

http://www.lakecycling.com/mountain-winter-c-1_4_11.html


Jim C
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Oct 2010, 04:21 pm
I ride whole year round.  It can be a major investment but worth it.   :thumb:

Jacket:  Endura Stealth Jacket
Shoes:  Sidi Diablo Gore-Tex
Socks:  Endura Merino wool
Gloves:  Endura Deluge
Pants: Craft AR winter tights
Mask: Gore Bike Wear
Base Layer:  2XU
Eye wear: Oakley half jacket with clear lens
Helmet: Giro Athlon

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/010.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Oct 2010, 04:30 pm
It was so cold last year that anything that is exposed turns into ice.  Yes water bottles and hydration pack has to be insulated.  :lol: :lol:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/IMG_0419.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/IMG_0417.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Oct 2010, 04:39 pm
Cool.  What do you wear when it is like 40-60º though?  Too cool for my summer jerseys, but too warm for a winter jacket. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Oct 2010, 05:05 pm
It is best to start little cold, eventually you will heat up. 

If I will go out today, I will be wearing SS Jersey, packable wind breaker and cycling shorts.  Last Sunday, which is a little cooler 40-50 F in the morning riding road, I was wearing cycling shorts, SS Jersey and Cervelo Winter Jacket made by Castelli.  I also have a Gore Alp X jacket that turns into a Jersey which I wear by itself. 

Spring weather really calls for long sleeve jersey.  They vary in thickness.

What works for me may not work for you.  It is a trial and error sometimes.  My road gear are different than MTB because it is less windy in the woods.

One more thing to think about, the more expensive the clothes e.g. Assos, Castelli, Capo, Rapha, Pearl Izumi, Endura etc the nicer the fabric and more comfortable they are wearing all day. 

Cool.  What do you wear when it is like 40-60º though?  Too cool for my summer jerseys, but too warm for a winter jacket. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 13 Oct 2010, 05:43 pm
Cool.  What do you wear when it is like 40-60º though?  Too cool for my summer jerseys, but too warm for a winter jacket.

For mtb, I think it's less critical what you wear compared to road biking...you don't have to worry as much about aerodynamics, wind-chill and such.  Just make sure it's tight enough not to get caught on tree branches et al, as well as base-layers and jerseys/tights that keep sweat away from you.  And of course, that it is warm enough, accounting for when you heat up as Levi points out.  If you're not into the name-branded stuff, you can get perfectly good stuff from the house-brand stuff from Performancebike.com or Nashbar.com....
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 14 Oct 2010, 06:11 am
My brother and I did 14 miles today with temps starting at 54 deg and ending at 64.  The sun was out, and at altitude it can still feel pretty intense even when the air temp is low, so given that, I had on my usual bike shorts and just a standard long sleeve "heat gear" Under Armour base layer and short sleeve jersey.  (I tend to wear long sleeve wicking layers year round, as it saves me from having to deal with sun block.) That said, on the long downhill, a light weight wind shirt of some type would have been welcome.

I've ridden down into the 30s with nothing more than a light weight microfleece over that same "heat gear" layer.  Of course, the plan is not to stop and risk getting cold.  I do carry another fleece and a shell in my Camelback in case this happens, however.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 17 Oct 2010, 03:53 am
A couple more pics...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=37185)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=37186)


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 20 Oct 2010, 03:17 pm
Last Sunday, we did a fun ride in Long Island called "Triple Crown".  It is a non-organized gathering of MTBers to ride 3 bike trails in one day.  The ride was a great success that over 65+ MTBers showed up.  The pace on this ride was intense. 

My Garmin data showed over 58 Miles of combined off-road and some road riding to get to between trails.  Having survived this ride, I think I am ready for the upcoming 6hr MTB race.   :thumb:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/53445533

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Triple%20Crown%202010/TripleCrown2010-2.jpg)
Triple Crown 2010 Group picture
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 20 Oct 2010, 08:01 pm
That is one heck of a long off-road trek.  How much vertical?   I'd be dropped.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 20 Oct 2010, 09:46 pm
No worries Josh.  There is a place were the group can converge and waited whoever is behind.  Not much elevation gain only 315ft but the pace is intense @10mph minimum off road.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road - Autumn ride
Post by: Levi on 27 Oct 2010, 03:14 pm
Yesterday 10/26 was truly a nice day to ride bikes.  It was dry and sunny warm.  Me and my friend Lia decided to ride our MTBs from our home to Cunningham Park trails.  We met at Flushing Meadows Park in Corona Queens and made our way to Cunningham Park.  In the park, we did two laps of singletrack.  On our way back from the Park, we stopped at EmpanadasCafe.com in Corona and ate freshly cooked empanadas.  I never had empanadas so fresh.  I will be back and eat more great Empanadas that's for sure. 

I might add that autumn is here.  Truly a great day to ride a bike!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/CHPToday.jpg)
My Garmin data

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/ef8991e3.jpg)
My Merlin Bike

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/240f646d.jpg)
The Globe

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/f86bd66a.jpg)
Flushing Meadows Park

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/f6855717.jpg)
Cunningham Park trail head

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/c309db85.jpg)
Lia at the bridge in Cunningham Park

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/October%202010/e4e686db.jpg)
Fresh Empanadas!  Corn flour, Whole grain and white flour empanadas...so many choices!   :thumb:



Cheers!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Oct 2010, 07:24 pm
Rocky Point as we all know closes 11/1 to 4/1 for hunting season here in Long Island, NY.  It was a great pleasure to ride RP one more time.  Great friends, great scenery and great food.  This is like NYAudiorave on Bicycles.  LOL!   :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/6e81a84d.jpg)
Group picture

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/4c492347.jpg)
Profile shot!  LOL!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/3ecb5f35.jpg)
Single File only

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/ce3720f7.jpg)
On the bikes

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%20
2010/e3d24662.jpg)
That's Roy posing.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/420ddb69.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/513c0644.jpg)
Sweet shrimp cocktail!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/0cacb76f.jpg)
Home made salsa (hot!)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Rocky%20Point/Rocky%20Point%20Last%20Ride%20of%20Season%202010/2a4dd5b3.jpg)
Parked bikes
Title: Movie: Race Across The Sky 2010
Post by: Levi on 4 Nov 2010, 12:50 pm
Movie:  Race Across The Sky 2010

When: 11/04/2010 or 11/09/2010 (Encore presentation) @ 8:30 PM
 
http://www.fathomevents.com/sports/event/raceacrossthesky1104.aspx
http://www.fathomevents.com/sports/event/raceacrossthesky1109.aspx
 
TRAILER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttIrs1XkTEk
 
 
List of movie theathers for 11/04/2010@8:30 PM
http://www.ncm.com/FathomContent/PDF/EventTheatresReport_RATS1104.pdf

Cheers!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Nov 2010, 06:43 pm
Titus Cycles closing doors.

Titus dealers are receiving this email this morning.

Quote
To All Titus Business Partners:

As many of you know, Titus has been working through a challenging year. We have made significant efforts to restructure the company. Unfortunately, we have run out of time.

Our largest lender is foreclosing on an outstanding loan. Commencing immediately, they will initiate an orderly liquidation of company assets. Please direct any inquiries to support@titusti.com.

If you would like a list of our remaining inventory, please direct your request to support@titusti.com.

Titus is well known for great customer service, including warranty service. Please be patient with us as we work through this most difficult time. We will do everything possible to keep our loyal riders on the trails.

All inquiries and requests will be answered beginning Monday, November 8, 2010.

Many of you have been partners with Titus for a very long time. We deeply appreciate your support through the years.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 5 Nov 2010, 07:39 pm
That's too bad. Another small frame builder bites the dust. I think the tide was turning for them about a year or so ago when they turned over ownership (or something like that).

I almost pulled the trigger on one of their frames a few years ago. Now when I look at their lineup it seems that all the bikes have changed, and not in a good way.

Apparently their slick new image didn't work out too well.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 5 Nov 2010, 10:59 pm
Chris Cocalis started Titus in 1991 and then left in 2007 to start Pivot Cycles, which is still around.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: KJ on 6 Nov 2010, 04:38 pm
Bummer.  I have a Cocalis version Racer-X 100, and it's been a fantastic bike.  Sad to see them close up shop, although Chris' newer Pivot brand has been fairing well (albeit a bit on the pricey side).
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 17 Nov 2010, 01:42 pm
Check out this video.  Besides being crazy trials riding, it's quite beautiful.  It looks like it was shot on a dslr too. 

http://www.redbull.co.uk/cs/Satellite/en_UK/Video/danny-macaskill-way-back-home-riding-clip-021242926492302


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 17 Nov 2010, 02:07 pm
That is a good 7:42 video!  Thanks.  I think Josh can do that. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 17 Nov 2010, 02:11 pm
Yeah right.  Those tricks are sick.  Many of those are land it or your f***** kind of tricks.  I was pretty nuts when I was young, but never that nuts. 

Now that I am older and took a long hiatus from biking, I no longer have the balance and dexterity I once had on a bike. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 17 Nov 2010, 06:07 pm
I broke down and bought an Specialized Epic Expert Carbon 29er today.  Really nice bike.  I'll post a picture later.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 17 Nov 2010, 06:14 pm
Nice. That is a ready to race mtb!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 17 Nov 2010, 06:31 pm
Nice. That is a ready to race mtb!

Thanks!  I don't race though. :oops:  I swapped the flat bar for a SRAM 20mm carbon riser and put on the new XTR pedals.  I'll eventually put the front Captain 2Bliss 2.0 on the rear and put a 2.2 Purgatory 2Bliss on the front.  Then I'll lose the tubes.  I thought the Pivot 429 climbed a bit better but the Epic felt better all around.  I would have had to swap the fork from a 100 to a 120 on the Pivot to slacken the HTA to make it ride the way I wanted.  The Epic is SRAM 2x10 while the Pivot had a XT 3x9 I believe.  Besides the Epic was 4# lighter.   8)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 19 Nov 2010, 06:02 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38788)

BTW, the reflectors have been removed so don't give me any grief!  8)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Nov 2010, 06:15 pm
Nice!  It looks like a plush ride.  Perhaps you don't need that rear cog spoke protector. :lol:

That would be perfect for the 6hr race this Saturday!  Cheers-
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 19 Nov 2010, 06:18 pm
Doh!  You know, I never even noticed it.  I'll take it off when I swap my tires around.  In my short rides around the house, it feels firm yet forgiving.  I wouldn't call it plush but then this platform isn't supposed to be plush.  But it can be dialed in however you like though.  I'm sure it will take some time to get it all sorted out.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bregez on 19 Nov 2010, 09:31 pm
FYI, Giant has recalled its Anthem X 29er bike for the following reason:
The frame can crack at the junction of the seat post and top tube, posing a fall hazard to riders.
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/news/15305/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 21 Nov 2010, 07:35 pm
Hey guys, the 6hr of Cathedral Pines Endurace race was a blast!  I managed to place 7th.  It was a brutal 6hr race but had a great time talking to friends while racing.  Ha ha ha...

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/soc2closed_blogspot.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/1099261415_qaAkk-L.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/1099263497_rE6et-L.jpg)
Group picture
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 21 Nov 2010, 07:48 pm
Nice picture.  Where is Cathedral Pines on LI?  Was the course pretty flat?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 21 Nov 2010, 07:51 pm
Thanks!  Cathedral Pines is on exit 66 or 68 from Long Island Expressway.  The course is smooth, tight twisty single-track and mostly flat.

Directions:  From east: LIE (495) to exit 68 north (Wm. Floyd Pkwy). Turn left onto Longwood Rd. At end of Longwood Rd. turn left; entrance is immediately to your right. From west: LIE (495) to exit 66 north (Sills Rd); bear left at flashing light (Middle Island/Yaphank Rd). Park is on your left just before traffic light.

Hiking, camping, mountain biking, bridle paths, picnicking.

This 320 acre site is situated along the headwaters of the Carmans River. Facilities include campsites for individuals, youth group camping and club camping (10 or more units) and family camping, including 10 sites with water and electric hookups.  Picnic sites and the George Broome Memorial Activity Building are also available.  Adjacent to Cathedral Pines Park is Prosser Pines Nature Preserve, which features a majestic stand of white pines planted in 1812. Prosser Pines is a popular site for hikers and photographers.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 21 Nov 2010, 07:57 pm
I wonder if that is a newer park, since I don't remember it.  But then I grew up right next to Bethpage State Park and we rode there as kids so we didn't need to look elsewhere.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 21 Nov 2010, 08:02 pm
 Male 40 to 49....

7th. Place -        LEVI .....  #3418        M/41 y.o.           6 Laps                9.87mph(Pace)    61.000 (Distance)    6:10:49.6(Total Time)
                                                                 
                         Lap   1          1:04:22.2    10.3mph    11.000    1:04:22.2
                         Lap   2            56:38.3    10.6mph    21.000    2:01:00.5
                         Lap   3            54:35.4    11.0mph    31.000    2:55:35.9
                         Lap   4            58:28.9    10.3mph    41.000    3:54:04.9
                         Lap   5          1:03:07.5    9.51mph    51.000    4:57:12.5
                         Lap   6          1:13:37.1    8.15mph    61.000    6:10:49.6

Levi....you need to go faster.... :nono:  :lol:


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 21 Nov 2010, 08:08 pm
That was a long race for me.  @6hrs and 61miles off-road.   :thumb:  The worst part was getting behind someone slow.  There were 250 racers in different abilities and categories.  :duh: 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 21 Nov 2010, 08:13 pm
That was a long race for me.  @6hrs and 61miles off-road.   :thumb:  The worst part was getting behind someone slow.  There were 250 racers in different abilities and categories.  :duh:

Well....at least you got a Pint glass and a T-shirt.... :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: shadowlight on 21 Nov 2010, 09:02 pm
That was a long race for me.  @6hrs and 61miles off-road.   :thumb:  The worst part was getting behind someone slow.  There were 250 racers in different abilities and categories.  :duh: 

Congratulation Levi.  Seems you had fun racing.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 21 Nov 2010, 09:05 pm
Thanks!  :thumb:

Want to see what 250 racers is like on the start?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY03TzWz7Gk
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 21 Nov 2010, 09:19 pm
LOL, I'd have to start on a Demo 9 just for the looks I'd get. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 21 Nov 2010, 10:57 pm

Levi:

You are my hero. I have done 20 fast miles cross country I was killed. To do 60, gulp.  :o

I picked up a Specialized Enduro and really like it.

Hey, here is video we did to try and get sponsored. A long shot I know. But like Wayne Gretsky said, "If you don't shoot you won't score".

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/159557/


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 22 Nov 2010, 06:05 pm
I managed to get two smaller rides in this weekend after having nearly two months off (been busy and out of the country).  Feels like I started over.  Oh well, still fun. 

Went to Allamuchy North but on the east side (rocky) and it was really tough.  There are sections that seem nearly impossible to not hike a bike, especially covered in leaves.   Then went to Lewis Morris on Sunday (easy terrain but still moderate amount of hills) and did a 6 miler. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Nov 2010, 02:34 pm
Ron:
Great video.  Where is that park?  That looks like lots of fun!

Josh:
Finding the time and motivation to ride is hard.  Maybe an indoor trainer is good so you don't loose your fitness.

You can download my .tcx file of my Lewis Morris race to your Garmin and follow the race course next time you go back there.  http://connect.garmin.com/activity/38396237

Levi:

You are my hero. I have done 20 fast miles cross country I was killed. To do 60, gulp.  :o

I picked up a Specialized Enduro and really like it.

Hey, here is video we did to try and get sponsored. A long shot I know. But like Wayne Gretsky said, "If you don't shoot you won't score".

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/159557/


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 23 Nov 2010, 02:46 pm
Here's a ride I did on my mtb that was a mix of roads and trails.  Data courtesy of my new Garmin Edge 800...!

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/57311435

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Nov 2010, 02:53 pm
Thanks for sharing Phil.  I remembered passing Tallman and Rockland State Park on my recent Bear Mountain Ride from Queens.  All I can say is very nice!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Bear%20Mtn%20Ride%20Nov%202010/BearMountainRide.jpg)

I like the Garmin 800 because it has temperature sensor.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 23 Nov 2010, 02:58 pm
Thanks for the map Levi.  Actually, I think that is the same ride I did, except I did part of the blue trail out and back as I got a bit lost at first, but I did the same loop as that (the only one I really know well enough from memory). 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 1 Dec 2010, 12:19 am
Some inspirations to those who like to jump curves. :lol:

http://www.dannymacaskill.co.uk/videos/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 1 Dec 2010, 12:36 am

Quote
Ron:
Great video.  Where is that park?  That looks like lots of fun!

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/159557/


Hi Levi:

The opening shots of the kids are in the river valley of Rocky Mountain House, Alberta, Canada.

Before the skatepark scene the shots are taken by me and the hill is Silver Star Ski resort in B.C. Canada.

After that the shots are from the grand daddy of biking mountains, Whislter B.C. We picked that trail because is was fast and flowed. It's also the run that my 50 year old wife could ride and shoot the video. Some sections did test her though. She has really improved. She is a killer on cross country though.

Then there is the one shot of me doing two jumps. That is at Nordegg, Alberta. All the sites are beautiful and fun to ride.


With you riding those long runs I can see why you are a weight weenie with your bike. Mine has been 32 lbs, and the new Enduro is comp is around 30 lbs. Those extra few pounds probably add up after 20 or 30 miles.


Rocket_Ronny

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 1 Dec 2010, 03:56 am
I have never been to Whistler B.C.  I am sure it is beautiful up there.  I also heard at one point that the MTB park was closing. 

You are correct, Cross-country cycling and endurance racing, you need to be efficient as much as possible.  It is surely different if you are a downhill rider as you rely on the strength of the bike to absorb all the impact.  Extra-strength on materials which makes the bike heavy.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: hometheaterdoc on 2 Dec 2010, 05:24 pm
I want to show off my bike!  I want to show off my bike! :)

It's been a crazy 6 months.  I've had some severe health issues that are finally getting back to somewhat normal.  Now that things are stabilizing, the docs have been on me big time about exercising a bit more as preventive maintenance.  I took my bike out of the garage for the first time in about 7 years and re-discovered I really enjoy riding.  I'm not sure why I ever stopped riding a bike....

I've never owned an expensive bike before because I'm rough on stuff.  I've never been good with the changing gears thing and just torque the crap out of the bike and power through most of the time.  I'm not very tall (6'1") but have a big frame and carry a lot of weight naturally.  I decided to build up a new bike that would handle my weight as most of the bikes seem geared more toward lightweight guys.  Here's the result so far:

[img alt=]http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=659[/img]

'11 Niner MCR9 steel hardtail frame - Moondust Grey color
'10 FSA Orbit Extreme headset
'09 Fox 32 F29 100mm fork - uncut tube until I can figure out fit for me
'11 Shimano XT 3X10 Dyna-Sys complete drivetrain
'09 Shimano XTR brakes
'10 Easton Monkeylite carbon riser bars
'10 Easton DH 50mm 10 degree stem (bought three others as well to find fit)
Thomson Elite seatpost
WTB Pure V Race seat (so far, after 6 different seats, this one seems to work)
Atomic platform pedals for now until I figure out what shoes and clipless pedal system I like best

Current wheels installed just so I could ride it:

Front: Hadley 5000 series 36 hole hub laced to Stan's ZTR Flow rim (waiting on 9mm through bolt conversion kit to arrive).  Tire is Kenda Small Block 8 2.1 width with tube.  I installed the stan's rim tape and could run them tubless except that I didn't have the right valve stem... so tubed for now.
Rear: Hope Pro 2 36 hole 10mm through bolt hub laced to Stan's ZTR Flow rim.  Tire is Kenda Small Block 8 2.1 width with tube.

Second wheelset that has been on backorder for 5+ weeks waiting on hubs and should finally be built and ship this week:

Front: Hadley current 6000 series 36 hole 9mm through bolt hub laced to Stan's ZTR Flow rim (likely going to run tubeless with 2.35 width tire)
Rear: Hadley current 6000 series 36 hole 10mm through bolt hub laced to Stan's ZTR Flow rim (likely going to run tubeless with 2.35 width tire)

The bike is currently fairly light given the gear on it.  I haven't weighed it officially but it's got to be under 30 pounds, which isn't bad for a larger steel framed bike with my component choices.  I'm never going to have a weight weenie light bike as I need a little heavier stuff for my size and weight (the flow rims are the only ones stan's says I can use for my weight and I went 36 spoke for the stiffness of the wheel).  I like the steel frame material with the big 29er wheels after riding a bunch of aluminum frames and feeling jarred a lot.  The steel is more compliant and has a bit of give to it, while still being fairly stiff when I lay into the crank.  29ers are definitely for me.  I can't believe I ever rode a 26inch wheel before.  For now, I've only been riding it on greenways and big, wide open hardpack city park "trails" like the American Tobacco Trail here in Durham.  Carlman is going to get me on some singletrack eventually though.  He's been invaluable in helping me put this bike together and I can't thank him enough...  He has been helping me with my pedaling as well and learning how to be better about shifting gears.  Given the places that I currently ride, I use the big ring on the front crank about 90% of the time and can't imagine only having two rings.  I need the speed of the big ring :)  We'll see how that changes as I try trails and if that means the majority of my riding conditions change. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Dec 2010, 06:37 pm
Congrats on the new bike!  Definitely, riding a bike is good for your cardiovascular system. 

I love the color and component choices on your magic carpet ride.  It should ride sweet like a Titanium bike once you find that magic speed.  Likewise, nice component choices specially the wheelsets.  You are like me, I like them noisy. 

That bike is almost race ready except for the platform pedals.  Nevertheless, it should give you a lifetime of enjoyment and fitness.  :thumb:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: hometheaterdoc on 3 Dec 2010, 08:58 pm
Thanks Levi...

The bike is seriously fast even at its current weight.  29er wheels, while heavier than 26ers, are so much more efficient per pedal stroke...

I go so much faster on the new bike than the old one...  The Fox definitely helps.  I don't even notice bumps and roots at all with it setup well.  Just like butter.  When I punch it though, the thing just launches forward...

I'm happy so far with the Hadley on the front.  The Hope on the back is a bit loud, but I'm getting used to it :)  It was a case of as the delays continued getting the new Hadley hubs, I need wheels right now so I don't have to stare at the bike on the stand.  This was the best compromise that was in stock and could ship immediately so I could ride the bike...  I figured I could always sell them for close to what I paid once the Hadleys finally arrived...

I've hit a few bigger bumps with the bike so far which make me wonder what full suspension would be like.  but so far, it's been everything I could wish for and more in a bike...

I'm going to spring for some clip and shoe options this weekend and give them a try...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Dec 2010, 09:59 pm
The Hope Pro 2 hubs and bearings are great.  I think the Hadley is just as loud.  It is the sound of quality.  :) They are both good hubs perhaps the Hadley is a little lighter weight?!?  You didn't mention your weight but your bike is surely built for strength and comfort.

A dual suspension 29er is even faster on rough stuffs.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: hometheaterdoc on 29 Dec 2010, 02:00 pm
all right... the sickness is in full effect...  but I have an excuse... Honest, I do :)

I figured I finally had the bike to do it and Carl convinced me to come out and try some single track riding here locally.  I'd only ever ridden dirt roads, bike paths, greenways, etc. etc. Nothing quite like the rooty, bumpy, rocky experience I had that first time a few weeks back.  I really enjoyed it.  So much so that I went back again... but it had to be a week later because my back was so shot from taking a beating that I could barely walk for a few days.  lots of meds...

the second visit was just as bad as the first... I was a lot more comfortable with the trail and style of riding and have gotten exponentially better as allowing my legs and arms to act as shock absorbers and staying out of the saddle to avoid the biggest hits.  But riding on trails here on a hard tail is just hard on an old guy's wonky back.  I wish I was younger and able to handle it a bit better... but I'm not and I'm not sure that continuing to ride once a week and then being laid up for a week is a good recipe for fitness improvement :)  I think I'm going to need a full suspension to take some of the wallop out of the bumps and hits...

So all or part of the Niner MCR is now for sale and I ordered up some full suspension frames.  I picked up a Turner Sultan used frame on Monday and a brand new Niner R.I.P. 9 shipped to me on Monday as well.  It should be here on Friday.  I guess I don't do anything the easy or cheap way :)

Between all the parts I've ordered, including matching complete sets of Shimano XT drivetrain, I should be able to reasonably compare both full suspension rides... not sure if I will keep both of them or pick a "winner" that I like best and sell off the rest... we'll see....

bikes are just as expensive and addictive as audio gear... 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 29 Dec 2010, 02:33 pm
Welcome to the darkside...  :lol:

A new Niner and Turner on the way. That's a nice way to dive into Mtn. Biking!
I've been Mtn. biking for 20 some years and just started getting into road biking more. It's a nice change of pace, trying out that "other" sport, and I've found it makes my off-road riding fresh again.

Welcome to the club!

If you want to know about getting beat up on a bike check out my rigid 29'er... :thumb:

(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss271/db1705/DSC_0250.jpg)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 29 Dec 2010, 02:52 pm
I feel your pain HTD.  My back doesn't like riding singletrack on a hardtail either.  I bought an Epic 29er last month that I enjoy, though the snow hasn't let me use it much on the trails.  I know that the Turner will be a revelation for you.  We're not kids anymore and I think riding FS is a no brainer.  Have fun. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Dec 2010, 04:22 pm
I agree.  Hard Tail frame can be bad for your back.  A good Titanium or Steel frame can help dissipate the sting.  Also carbon or shock seatposts helps as well but nothing like a full suspension.  29er rigid is not as bad compared to a 26er rigid.  Those big wheels simply soaks up bumps better than the smaller wheels.  That Niner carbon fork is one of the best to have on a full rigid bike. 

My Merlin Ti HT frame is very comfortable specially on endurance races lasting over 40miles +.  I have to get me a 29er to see what is the fuzz is all about.  I have tried my friends' Niner 29er and the geometry handles like a 26er however I think lightweight wheels will truly make those 29er accelerate and handle faster.

We got hit by a blizzard 12/27.  My on-road bike will not be out until the snow is gone.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/New%20York%20City/Jackson%20Heights/70ccfdbe.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: hometheaterdoc on 29 Dec 2010, 05:03 pm
Baumer, my back twinged just thinking about riding that MCR9 on single track.  That would be awesome for dirt roading and path riding around here though.  I came seriously close to doing a 1X10 or 1X9 setup on my MCR.  I only use 4 or 5 gears max anyways :)  I mostly stay on the middle ring for trail riding, but use the big ring almost exclusively for path riding since there isn't a whole lot of elevation change here in the central NC area... I also run the lockout on my Fox if the path is smooth enough so when i get up out of the saddle the front end isn't bobbing and dipping when I start torquing a big tall gear :)

BikeWNC, I rode a number of Specialized bikes when i was in test ride mode.  There wasn't an Epic Comp 29er that I remember.  Could have been, but I was more focused on hardtails because that's what i thought I wanted and needed, having never owned a full suspension before.....  my how times change in the blink of an eye :)

Don't get me wrong, of all the hardtails I rode before building up this Niner, the steel frame and the big wheels meant a lot of plush feel.  It's a killer bike for what it is.  But all the steel in the world and big air volume won't make the rear end move up and down 5 inches to soften the blows :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 29 Dec 2010, 06:34 pm
I also have an Indy Fab Steel Deluxe hardtail 26 with a Cane Creek Thudbuster post and while it is a very smooth ride it can't match my Epic 29er Expert.  I'll never be a speedy singletrack rider but the Epic gives me much more confidence on the trail while also being comfortably compliant and efficient.  I think you will enjoy the Sultan.  It's built like a tank and is quite plush. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Dec 2010, 06:48 pm
I heard many good things about Turner's dw-link.  :thumb:  I think the Epic 29er is lighter bike?  Plush is where it counts.  Keep riding! 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 29 Dec 2010, 10:00 pm
I heard many good things about Turner's dw-link.  :thumb:  I think the Epic 29er is lighter bike?  Plush is where it counts.  Keep riding!

Yeah Turners like Pivots aren't known for being light.  The equivalent Epic model should be lighter.  However, everyone that reviews these bikes mentions they ride lighter than they weigh.  I know the Pivot Mach 429 with a DW-link rear certainly did.  It was an amazing climber.  However for me, with the stock 100 fork it felt like it had too steep a HTA.  A 120 on that bike might be perfect. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Dec 2010, 10:19 pm
Keep riding that is all I have to say.

The closest singletrack that is readable is in the City.  Picture below is the 59th Street Bridge Bike/Pedestrian path. 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/New%20York%20City/Blizzard%202010/047e5ed3.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/New%20York%20City/Blizzard%202010/e54f4c54.jpg)
View of the East River and Tram from the middle of the 59th St bridge

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/New%20York%20City/Blizzard%202010/d6075fc2.jpg)
Central Park 60th Street Entrance

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: hometheaterdoc on 8 Jan 2011, 10:16 pm
One of the new frames is built up.  The Turner turned out a bit heavier than expected because of a couple choices I made.  It's a little over 30 pounds without pedals.  I bought a 5 pack of cheap tubes from PricePoint to have extras.  They're decent, but seriously heavy compared to the Q Tubes Super Lights I have with the Kenda Small Block Eights on the MCR9 bike.  The WTB Weirwolf 2.55 tires are also pretty heavy.  I may switch these to the Kenda Nevegals I got from Tree Fort on Friday. 

I got a quick 11 miles in on the trail next to my house just to test ride it.... hoping to take it out for a longer run this evening or tomorrow during the day...

Frame - Turner Sultan DW Link
Fork - Fox F29 RL 120mm travel
Drivetrain - Shimano XT Dyna-Sys 10 speed
Brakes - Shimano Saint 160mm (seriously awesome brakes)
Custom wheelset with Hadley Racing hubs front and rear laced to Stan's ZTR Flow rims

(http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=684)
(http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=685)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 9 Jan 2011, 10:13 pm
One of the new frames is built up.  The Turner turned out a bit heavier than expected because of a couple choices I made.  It's a little over 30 pounds without pedals.  I bought a 5 pack of cheap tubes from PricePoint to have extras.  They're decent, but seriously heavy compared to the Q Tubes Super Lights I have with the Kenda Small Block Eights on the MCR9 bike.  The WTB Weirwolf 2.55 tires are also pretty heavy.  I may switch these to the Kenda Nevegals I got from Tree Fort on Friday. 

I got a quick 11 miles in on the trail next to my house just to test ride it.... hoping to take it out for a longer run this evening or tomorrow during the day...

Frame - Turner Sultan DW Link
Fork - Fox F29 RL 120mm travel
Drivetrain - Shimano XT Dyna-Sys 10 speed
Brakes - Shimano Saint 160mm (seriously awesome brakes)
Custom wheelset with Hadley Racing hubs front and rear laced to Stan's ZTR Flow rims

(http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=684)
(http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=685)

Am surprised to hear this is over 30lbs...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 10 Jan 2011, 12:11 am
Yeah Turners like Pivots aren't known for being light. The equivalent Epic model should be lighter.  However, everyone that reviews these bikes mentions they ride lighter than they weigh.  I know the Pivot Mach 429 with a DW-link rear certainly did.  It was an amazing climber.  However for me, with the stock 100 fork it felt like it had too steep a HTA.  A 120 on that bike might be perfect. 

I never doubted it.  Plush is the word.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: hometheaterdoc on 10 Jan 2011, 03:50 pm
I think I can get it under 30 pretty easily...  swapping the tubes and WTB Weirwolf tires for Super Lights and a set of Kenda Nevegals would save me at least 2 pounds.  I love the grip and tread pattern of the WTB... and the air in the tire makes them very floaty... but they are seriously heavy tires.

I rode for a couple hours out at a local singletrack place yesterday.  It's got about the most elevation change of anything in the area which, given my lack of fitness level, means I'm not as much of a fan at the moment... it flat out kicked my butt.  But unlike riding the MCR9 over the same terrain and distance, I hardly have a sore back at all today.  Big time difference with the full suspension....  hopefully as I become less of a fat a$$, it will get even better...

I actually like the extra weight of the bike compared to MCR9 build and especially love the Shimano Saint brakes for the downhill sections.  Serious brake power and incredible modulation capability.  The extra weight and just the bike itself is extremely solid and tight and stable.  It's very confidence inspiring and I went over some stuff that would have made me crap my pants on the Niner MCR9.  Going straight uphill and having to pedal the thing up it is not as much fun because of the extra weight...  it will climb over just about anything and I didn't even notice sections where before the MCR9 was bucking me around pretty good. 

Hopefully I will get the remaining parts today from UPS and spend the night in the garage finishing up the R.I.P.9 build... I think that one is going to be a very different beast than this one...  I will say the Turner fit like an absolute glove with virtually no adjustments yet...  and I loved the Niner geometry on the MCR... hopefully that carries over onto the RIP....
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 Jan 2011, 04:11 am
THE DARKHORSE 40
Presented by
darkhorse cycles
stewart state forest, newburgh, NY
Sunday, July 31, 2011
Online Registration Closes
Friday, July 01, 2011 at 11:45 PM ET

http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=11975
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 25 Jan 2011, 03:01 am
Some nice looking bikes I've been seeing in the last few pages.

Levi, you nailed it.  Imo, a nice, light, set of wheels really brings out the best in a hardtail 29'er. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: PhilNYC on 25 Jan 2011, 11:19 am
THE DARKHORSE 40
Presented by
darkhorse cycles
stewart state forest, newburgh, NY
Sunday, July 31, 2011
Online Registration Closes
Friday, July 01, 2011 at 11:45 PM ET

http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=11975

Let me know the next time you plan on going to Stewart....
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 25 Jan 2011, 12:41 pm
You got it Phil.  It will be fun to bring your new IF there.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 25 Jan 2011, 02:33 pm
Anyone played around creating custom maps and uploading them to their Garmin 800?

Side by side comparison of the 705 and 800.  705 does not support custom maps.  800 is the winner! 
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/2%20Garmin%20Connect/Garmin705800front.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Jan 2011, 02:18 pm
Custom Maps simply means that anyone can create any maps and upload it into their Garmin 800.  The screen on the Garmin 800 will be able to display and follow overlayed image of Cunningham Park below.  I think that is cool feature.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/2%20Garmin%20Connect/CunninghamPark.jpg)

or

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/2%20Garmin%20Connect/CunninghamParktrails.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Feb 2011, 02:42 pm
Anyone riding off-road yet?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Feb 2011, 02:43 pm
Talking about thread revival.  Spring is almost here. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Feb 2011, 02:44 pm
Too much snow on the trails lately.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Feb 2011, 02:48 pm
Stay tuned for more projects and upgrades!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Feb 2011, 02:49 pm
To those in the know, Fox Racing Shox has Protune offerings that allows older suspension fork upgrades.  I recently upgraded my 2010 Fox Racing Shox to 2011 with Kashima coating.  It is a worthwhile upgrade that costs 1/3 less price vs new fork. 

Protune can be done DIY or you can have your LBS upgrade your fork.  Fox Racing Shox has detailed service instructions with pictures and video.  You simply swap the new parts with the old parts.  That's all there is to it!  SEE BELOW.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/FoxRacingService.jpg)

Parts I used to Protune my Fox Racing Fork.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/3277c6d8.jpg) 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/60342c4e.jpg)
Remove all dampers and drain old oil

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/4c8dcc66.jpg)
Replace dust wipers with new

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/83c1d94a.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/7a128bb3.jpg)
Old vs New

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/98551a67.jpg)
Clean and inspect lower fork assembly

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/10e7fb86.jpg)
New dust wiper and foam rings installed.  Ready for new stickers.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/bda3085a.jpg)
Old vs the new Kashima coating

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/62b068e3.jpg)
Clean headset bearings while everything is taken apart

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/839265de.jpg)
Inspect FIT and Air spring assemblies...looks good.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/8a9f3ad7.jpg)
Put everything back together

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/b73fe641.jpg)
Finished product.  It is now Protuned 2010 F100 FIT with Kashima coating

Finally, clean up and open a nice bottle of Red wine.  Enjoy!
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/fece9bae.jpg)



That was a fun little project!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: BikeWNC on 23 Feb 2011, 03:05 pm
Nice pictures but not nice enough to look at twice.   :P

I doubt I would be brave enough to work on my fork.  I know it's not rocket science but I'm sure I'd lose something after it was all apart. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Feb 2011, 03:12 pm
It is easier than you think.  ;)  It is like changing oil on your car.  You remove 4 bolts and everything comes apart.  Ha ha ha! 

Then again your LBS can do it for you or send it to Fox Racing, Hippie Tech. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 23 Feb 2011, 03:50 pm
I haven't riden since November!  I am going to have to start all over with fitness.  Been drinking way too much!  Doctor says my chol is way too high, so diet and excercise are a must.

I was going to ride last Saturday after getting such nice weather on Friday but then it dropped temp and was windy as all hell.  Plus I admit, I was a bit hung-over.   I can't wait till it warms up just a bit more, I'm itching to ride.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: baumer on 23 Feb 2011, 06:57 pm
Competitive Cyclist is having a big sale on lots of good stuff both road and mountain.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 1 Mar 2011, 01:57 pm
I think I am good for now. 

However, I am tempted to buy the 2011 Terralogic assembly for my FIT RLC Fox Racing Shox.  It is available $350 vs $849 price of the new fork.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 6 Mar 2011, 04:20 am
Update:  The new Terralogic will fit inside the older 2010 fork.  The 2011 F-Series has new air spring.  It is basically a few millimeter shorter which increases the air volume inside the fork and has different spring rate.  So if you are going to upgrade to the 2011 Kashima steerer assembly, it is probably a good idea to also buy the new air shaft assembly.

Notes: 
1.  To prevent damage, installation of the new Air Shaft Assembly should start from the bottom of the steerer. 
2.  Be very careful not to scratch the inside of the tube.  If you scratch the inside of the tube, you will have air leak.
3.  26mm is hard to find, you can also use 1" socket.
4.  Always use new crush washers.

See picture for comparison.  New vs Old

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/8e5badb9-1.jpg)
Big difference

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/8b47f819.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/f9e3361b.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Rebuild/02bc1206.jpg)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ton1313 on 9 Mar 2011, 02:02 am
I just purchased a Giant Anthem X 29er 3.
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/model/anthem.x.29er.3/7508/44090/

I cant wait to get it on the trail. It is my first FS bike and 29er to boot. :thumb:

Mostly ride in eastern PA, primarily at Jacobsburg st. park.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 10 Mar 2011, 01:53 pm
Congrats on your new Giant  Anthem X 29er!  That is a super cheater bike.  ;) 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 21 Mar 2011, 01:11 am
We went to ride Hartshorne Woods Today in New Jersey.  It was a good turnout with the local group!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/c0b4d9e1.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hartshorne%20Woods%20Trails/7932584a.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 21 Mar 2011, 04:48 pm
Hartshorne was my first ride. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ton1313 on 22 Mar 2011, 12:54 am
My son, 7 years old, 4'7", 95 lbs is growing like a weed, so we have basically been purchasing a new bike on an annual basis for him. He got a 20" MTB latst year, and is on his way past that one, so we went and were going to pick up a 24" MTB for him on Sat. We ended up purchasing an adult 26" Giant with an XS frame. He is big enough to ride it, and hopefully this will give him some time on the bike, without having to upgrade anytime in the near future.

We cristened his, and my Anthem 29er at Jacobsburg St. Park yesterday. Did 8 miles for the first ride of the year. Had a blast. He can handel the larger bike better than I expected. The Anthem 29er is sweet as well, really smooth ride, with great control.

Looking forward to a great season!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Mar 2011, 01:58 pm
I had same issue with my son who is now 14yrs old.  You did the right thing going from 20" to 26".  They grow fairly quickly.  Most bike shop allows trade for kids bike.  I ended up giving the old bike away and gave my son one of my older 26" bike. 

Congrats on the new Anthem 29er. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Mar 2011, 12:49 pm
To those interested in auditioning for the Leadville 100.  Good luck!

Dub dub dub leadvillequalifiers.com/wilmington/wilmington
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 31 Mar 2011, 02:24 pm
No audition needed this year for my buddy, he is in again for the 2nd year in a row, and was actually featured in the 2010 movie

I plan on going out to watch and ride with him the week before if I can get the time off work.

To those interested in auditioning for the Leadville 100.  Good luck!

Dub dub dub leadvillequalifiers.com/wilmington/wilmington
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Apr 2011, 04:05 am
New software is out for the Garmin Edge 800.

Changes made from version 2.10 to 2.20:

    * Added setting to turn on 1 second recording in Settings > System > Data Recording.
    * Fixed an issue that could cause large jumps in position and distance.
    * Added Last Lap Power data field.
    * Fixed an issue that was causing ANT sensors to not pair as expected.
    * Added a setting to enable a prompt to recalculate during navigation.
    * Courses are now usable with GPS turned Off and a connected ANT+ Speed sensor.
    * The Virtual Partner can now be manually synchronized by pressing and holding on the Virtual Partner graphic.
    * Fixed a speed zone field display issue.
    * Improved course navigation.
    * Fixed issues viewing an activity in progress from the history menu.
    * Fixed issue with some Mac users not being able to connect to device without resetting the timer.
    * Fixed some display issues when using a weight scale.
    * Fixed an issue that could cause distance to not accumulating after switching bike profiles while the timer is running.
    * Fixed a few issues while editing workouts and a display issue while doing a workout in night mode.
    * Fixed a display issue while doing a workout in night mode.
    * Improved elevation calibration when manually setting device elevation.
Title: New Bike
Post by: AB on 14 May 2011, 05:31 pm
Here's a pic of my new bike.

Can anyone guess make and model?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46614)
Title: Re: New Bike
Post by: sandbagger on 14 May 2011, 05:40 pm
Way to easy
CANONDALE

Thats not a flash carbon 1 is it????

First good bike I ever got, first gen R600 Plumb Crazy or what ever that color was....

On another note, anyone have any recommendations for some good cheap wheels?   would like them to be rim/disk as of right now I am rim Avid Mag 2fingers.... considering going disk but its really not needed around here.

And if you have something you want to get rid of, all the better

Here's a pic of my new bike.

Can anyone guess make and model?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46614)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 May 2011, 07:32 pm
That is a nice Cannondale bike. My friend has one of those and she is very happy with it.  She won a race with it. :thumb:

Hers came with a nice set of Mavic crossmax sl wheel set.  I would suggest you go tubeless with it.

Sandbagger:
Mavic makes excellent wheels. My favorite wheel set are Industry Nine.  8)

Here's a pic of my new bike.

Can anyone guess make and model?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46614)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 14 May 2011, 09:52 pm
Flash Carbon 2 29er. The Cannondale part of the answer was easy. :green:

23 pounds.

I will swap out the ZTR Arch for the new Race Gold or MMX wheels, carbon riser bar and XTR pedals. Hopefully that should get it down some. It's fast and surprisingly comfortable on the rough stuff.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=46620)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 14 May 2011, 11:11 pm
Nice bke!  I would just ride it as is and replace things like wheels when they break.  This does not include things like saddle and bars if your bars aren't comfortable. Good luck with the new ride!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 15 May 2011, 02:04 am
Nice bke!  I would just ride it as is and replace things like wheels when they break.  This does not include things like saddle and bars if your bars aren't comfortable. Good luck with the new ride!

I doubt I'd ever break these wheels.  :D They're beefy.

I really want to get this as light as reasonably possible - reasonably meaning not replacing everything.

The original plan was to get the Carbon Flash 1 but none were available until August. Plan B was to get the 2 and swap out the wheels to some light ones.

I'll race this in a few marathons this Summer so lightness is key.

I busted my PR on my favorite loop ON THE FIRST RIDE with this thing.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 17 May 2011, 01:26 pm
Decided instead of making the switch to disk and new wheels at this point($$$$$)

I just ordered up some new older Mavic X3.1 UST(rim brake) hoops and going to lace them to my older Adco Swiss Racer hubs that are still silky smooth.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: KKM on 17 May 2011, 03:28 pm
If anyone has some awesome photo's of their bicycling adventure post it here:

http://www.meetthemoment.com/

Good cause and might win some prize.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 May 2011, 01:16 pm
CLIMB West Side Race Committee under the leadership of CLIMB President Mike Vitti are proud to offer the first CHP TT Event!

WHAT:  Cunningham Park Time Trials Event, QUEENS New York

WHEN:  Wedneday Night June 15, 5:00-7:00PM

WHERE:  Cunningham MTB Park corner of 210 Street and 67th Avenue.  Oceania St exit from LIE.

We will have prices, swags, pizza and drinks courtesy of our sponsor.

PLEASE NOTE:  This is a free event to all the CLIMB members.  Current CLIMB membership status is required for insurance coverage.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Cunningham%20Park/CHP_TTEvent2011.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Jun 2011, 01:35 am
Did a ride on Memorial day, a tiny bit muddy but was given the go ahead by the powers that be that it was ok to ride.  Great day overall.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47617)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47619)

did some miles at Chimney Rock.   A little bit rockier than some of the easier places in NJ. Moderate climbing, semi-technical.  Obviously a bit muddy too.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Jun 2011, 01:42 am
by the way, I just agreed to buy a full squish 26'er.   Giant Trance X, circa 2007 with lots of parts upgrade.   Thought I'd try out the other side of the spectrum, something likely more akin to my riding style. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Jun 2011, 01:52 am
some pictures of the new ride from the previous owner.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47620)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47621)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=47622)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Jun 2011, 02:00 am
Congrats on the new toy Josh! 

What size is that?  Looks big because of the seat post extended that far.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Jun 2011, 02:04 am
Its a medium. guess that to be 17"-18" which my GF is as well.   I think the prior owner was taller and therefore had the seat higher. 

He is a second owner.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jun 2011, 05:05 pm
I picked up the bike last night.  I think part of why it looks big is this is a 5" full squish.  Look at the height of the BB.  Partly though he did have the seat pretty high, esp considering he was bout my height (and weight too, so the suspension is roughly already tuned for me). 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jun 2011, 07:39 pm
Looks can be deceiving.  If it fits you, then you properly then you are in for a treat!

I picked up the bike last night.  I think part of why it looks big is this is a 5" full squish.  Look at the height of the BB.  Partly though he did have the seat pretty high, esp considering he was bout my height (and weight too, so the suspension is roughly already tuned for me). 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jun 2011, 07:50 pm
This bike is for the rocky/technical trails I love to ride.  That isn't so much a matter of racing to see who can do the lap the first as much as who has the most fun doing gnarly stuff.

P.S. I was really surprised how relatively light the bike is.  Maybe comparable to my 29'er, maybe a tad less.  almost all the parts are upgraded to pretty high end stuff.  Shadow rear derailer, X0 cassette, etc. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Jun 2011, 01:01 pm
Keep us updated with your comparison. I think you will be happy with your new toy.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 11 Jun 2011, 07:38 pm
Got one ride on the full squish.  Its definitely a different feel.  Went to Chimney Rock yesterday.  Its on the medium side of rocky, but the full squish makes it feel less rocky.  Going downhill fast in a very rocky section feels much more confidence inspiring with the full squish.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 11 Jun 2011, 08:16 pm
Good to hear you are liking it.

We are going to Fat Tire Fest Blue Mountain Festival tomorrow Sunday, June 12.

Here is the link to the thread.  My handle name is "Merlin" :)
http://www.climbonline.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1307415040/0
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 14 Jun 2011, 03:56 pm
How did the Fest go?  How do you like Blue Mtn.  I've heard great things about that place.  All those big boulders look like fun.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jun 2011, 04:14 pm
The Fat Tire Festival at Blue Mountain was a great success!

Lots of raffle prices and activities for the whole family. We did the intermediate group ride and that was lots of fun. Lots of wet roots and boulders.  Lucky for me, my bike took all the falling. The trail was lots of fun.

Long Island trails has more flow.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 14 Jun 2011, 04:23 pm
You'd probably like six mile then.  That is all about flow. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jun 2011, 06:51 pm
I have never been to six mile.  If it doesn't have boulders and huge rocks that will almost kill you, then I would probably like it.  ;)

Quote from: JoshK link=topic=70851.msg955426#msg955426 date=13
08068603
You'd probably like six mile then.  That is all about flow. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jun 2011, 06:58 pm
Some pictures of of the Fat Tire Festival at Blue Mountain.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/2844358b.jpg)
Huge boulders.  This is the easy one.  :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/9e17d187.jpg)
Lots of demo bikes

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/a86bf92e.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/429f65d5.jpg)
Discounted swags

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/72ca9bcf.jpg)
Skinnies

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/0253ddb9.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Blue%20Mountain%20Fat%20Tire%20Festival%202011/6c8a7cc2.jpg)
Map
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 14 Jun 2011, 07:14 pm
That boulder looks fun!  I could hang out there for hours.

Those skinnies are serious!  That takes serious balance.  Good practice.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 15 Jun 2011, 12:31 am
Cool picture Levi.  Looks like fun.  Though living in flat Indy, not much of it looks familiar.  :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Jun 2011, 12:34 am
Thanks guys.  I rather have it flat = fast.  LOL!

Josh, you will like Blue Mountain specially with your full suspension bike. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 15 Jun 2011, 06:28 pm
Well hills on fast in the down direction. ;)   That is why I bother going up in the first place.  I have to go to Blue before I move. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 16 Jun 2011, 04:07 am
Move? 

Care to share where you going?  Sounds like far.

Well hills on fast in the down direction. ;)   That is why I bother going up in the first place.  I have to go to Blue before I move. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 16 Jun 2011, 04:21 pm
I'm moving to Toronto.  Took a fantastic job up there.   I am leaving in a month or so. 

I hear Toronto has some good MTB'g areas, even one in the city, called Don Valley.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 16 Jun 2011, 04:29 pm
Congrats on your move.  Toronto is still drivable from NY. It is a bicycle friendly town.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 16 Jun 2011, 04:48 pm
Congrats on the move/job

South East Michigan is a doable drive, and we have a TON of trails.
Check out www.MMBA.org  (http://www.MMBA.org)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 24 Jun 2011, 01:18 pm
I just ordered a new set of wheels for the new bike.  One of our own, Tone Depth, is my wheel builder.  I wanted to invest in a good set of wheels as I think they are one of the most important aspects of a bike.   I wanted a pair of wheels that would last me years and stay with me if I upgrade other parts including frame.

I opted for an AM wheelset, as this bike is more Trail/AM oreinted and that is really the riding I most enjoy and as I get more aggressive I wanted my wheels to not hold me back.  This isn't a weight weenie bike, its meant to go where ever I want to go.  My GF 29er is for XC riding.  With Steve's suggestion I opted for WTB Laser TCS AM rims on Chris King hubs and appropriate spokes and brass nipples.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 Jun 2011, 01:34 pm
That would be one durable wheelset. Congrats!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 24 Jun 2011, 01:54 pm
I just wished I could get my wheel parts.  decided against a new disk wheel set and new brakes, just going to rebuild my Edco Racer Hubs with Mavic X3.1 UST hoops.  Cambria has one part backorderd for almost 2 weeks now  :evil:

I would really like to have these built and ride on them a few times before I do the Tree Farm Race http://www.teamtreefarm.com/wordpress/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Jun 2011, 12:57 am
Tonight I was curious.  I don't have a bike scale but I have a digital bathroom scale.  I did the subtraction method, first measuring my own body weight and then picking up the various bikes and measuring the difference in weight.  Not sure how accurate this is, but at least the relatives should be monotonic. 

As it turns out, my 5" FS 26" trail bike is lighter than my 29'er HT.  By about a 1.5lbs.  Both just under 30lbs (29.8 and 28.4).  Not weight weenie bikes.  This includes pedals, bottle holders and other misc items.  My CAAD 9 5 by contrast with small pack + tool, blinkies, pedals etc is around 21.4lbs. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Jun 2011, 01:26 am
That only equates to one thing, your 26" FS should be a blast to ride!  You truly have to bring it back to either Bicycle Habitat, Blue Mountain or Stewart State Forest.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 28 Jun 2011, 01:57 am
Hey Josh, keep your eyes peeled for a digital luggage scale.  Lots of guys use those (they have a hook you can hang your bike from to weigh) and they are inexpensive.  For MTB's I think durability trumps weight.  Either way, you  are buidling an impressive stable of bikes!  Best of luck with the riding and the upcoming  move! 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Jun 2011, 02:16 am
The internet stretches to Canada fortunately, so I will still be in touch.  My first impressions are I like the 26" FS bike better.  I am not giving up on the 29'er though.  I need to lighten it up a bit, first started with tubeless conversion. 

Got my Thule rack today.  Its very nicely built and featured.  I mounted the hitch on Saturday, which was a bit of work but fit as per instructions.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Jun 2011, 02:19 am
That only equates to one thing, your 26" FS should be a blast to ride!  You truly have to bring it back to either Bicycle Habitat, Blue Mountain or Stewart State Forest.  :thumb:

Do you mean Jungle Habitat? I love that place!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Jun 2011, 02:27 am
Yes.  Jungle Habitat.  I hate that place.  Them rocks.  LOL!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Jun 2011, 02:30 am
Its technical therefore fun....not a closet roadie place...;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Jun 2011, 02:43 am
It's all good.  I rode Jungle Habitat 99% of the time.  The 1% I walked over them big boulders.  I don't feel like getting my rims scratched or buying a new rear derailleur.  ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Jun 2011, 03:01 am
I'm just teasing.  I am 100% sure you are far more fit than me and 99% sure you are a better rider than me. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 4 Jul 2011, 10:16 pm
A couple vids from today.  Bike is a yelli screamy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S2wbdIrpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvOGsAUxNfM

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jul 2011, 01:55 pm
That camera is very nice. I have a Gopro but it is not HD. :)

I have many videos That are truly long. I hate post prossesing so it will be awhile to edit and upload them.

A couple vids from today.  Bike is a yelli screamy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S2wbdIrpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvOGsAUxNfM


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jul 2011, 01:56 pm
Josh: we should go to Stewart State Forest before you leave.  It houses one of the largest single track meca in State of New York.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jul 2011, 02:33 pm
I am moving the end of next week, so it would need to be soon.  My fitness level is pretty low right now, I am not sure I could keep up with you.

Josh
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jul 2011, 03:00 pm
Your move is surely quick. 

There is still a possibility for next Friday morning ride, I will call a couple of guys, the more the merrier.  No worries about keeping up.  It is a no drop ride.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jul 2011, 03:10 pm
I will overseeing the moving company next Friday.  I am not working from here to then, but I have TONS to do, so I can get out for an early morning ride.  Was thinking of Sunday morning at Jungle Habitat.

Josh
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jul 2011, 03:16 pm
IF you are free this Sunday there is UCI World Cup Mountain Bike racing in Windham, NY.  Or at Cathedral Pines in Long Island for ride then BBQ event.  :) 

I have a Gold Coast century ride next Sunday the 17th so that is not going to be good.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jul 2011, 03:53 pm
I don't think I have enough time, other than a 2-3 hours on any morning.  Next Sunday, the 17th I am moving.  I start on the 18th. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Jul 2011, 05:00 pm
That camera is very nice. I have a Gopro but it is not HD. :)

I have many videos That are truly long. I hate post prossesing so it will be awhile to edit and upload them.

Yeah, I love it.  I also have a helmet mount i use for dirtbikes and 4wheelers.  I hate editing videos, so I try to just start and stop the camera when I'm riding and make a bunch of short vids.  I do miss a lot of wrecks and other cool stuff because of this though.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Jul 2011, 05:25 pm
I should start editing my video. I like the chest mount.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 9 Jul 2011, 06:45 pm
I hadn't ridden at this place in a few months and was surprised to see this.  Lots of fun and it looks like they plan on building more.  :thumb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTyByX6-CUA

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 9 Jul 2011, 07:57 pm
That looks like fun!

I am really excited that very soon I'll be in Toronto and a really decent looking park is right in my backyard, Don Valley (lots of youtube vids are available).  I'd say it less than a mile from where I live.  No more driving 40 miles to hit the trails!  I could even go after work!

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Jul 2011, 08:04 pm
Those French-English speaking women are great too. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 9 Jul 2011, 08:17 pm
From everything I've heard and the little I saw in my recent two day trip, I'd say I have nothing to complain about when it comes to the women of Toronto!

Here is what one website has to say about Don Valley
Quote
Don Valley - 10km, Beginner-Expert. The trails are in the section of the Don Valley Ravine that stretches from the Don Valley Brickworks in the south to Thornhill Park in the north. There are some good sections of single track and the sides of the ravine offer some interesting climbs and descents. Some north shore style elements have been built in some areas, some are pretty good and some suck. Don't ride these trails when it's wet. You can access the area from several points including the Mount Pleasant Cemetery and Bayview and Pottery Road. Toronto, Toronto Region, Ontario

the whole story
http://www.out-there.com/ton01mtb.htm

I lied it is 2.8 miles...still riding distance!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: werd on 9 Jul 2011, 09:01 pm
I am a newly converted cyclistist. I just bought a nice Rocky Mountain bike for my wife. I use a cheap Canadian tire brand its full suspension but needs to be set up correctly. I have a dealer right in the neighborhood where i bought my Rocky Mountain. He also sells Specialized thats into the thousands. He has great inventory. What other brand names are out there in Mountain bikes?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Jul 2011, 09:09 pm
Congrats on your new bike.  :thumb:

Brand names?  Lots.

You have the main bike companies that sells complete bikes:
Cannondale, Trek, Specialized, Jamis, Kona, Scott, niner, diamond bike, Ventana  etc.

You also have bike companies that sells you custom frames that you can build with your own specs.  This is where it truly gets expensive.
Alchemy Litespeed, Merlin, serotta, Seven, Lynskey, Ellsworth, Voodoo, etc
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: werd on 9 Jul 2011, 09:51 pm
Thanks Levi. I was just trying to jog my memory. Probably end up with a specialized since i have that neighborhood store to pick from.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Jul 2011, 01:42 am
Good luck with the purchase. 

2 more weeks for the Dark Horse 40 race.  That's 40miles of off-road race.  :thumb:

http://www.bikereg.com/events/Register.asp?EventID=11975
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 13 Jul 2011, 12:44 pm
And only 1 month till Leadville 100

http://www.leadvilletrail100.com/lt100races/LeadvilleTrail100MountainBikeRace/course.aspx

I really want to go out for it this year and watch a friend race it again, he was in last years movie
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Jul 2011, 01:19 pm
That is a good race. 

Anobody knows if Lance riding this year?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 13 Jul 2011, 04:06 pm
From what I have heard/been told.....
no Lance
No Levi ( or at least he hasnt said anything either way) and has crashed what 5 times so far in the tour?
No Dave Wienes
JHK should be in???
Have heard there should be a few real real fast guys from Europe and a few from South America

Looks like the podium is up for grabs

That is a good race. 

Anobody knows if Lance riding this year?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 13 Jul 2011, 04:55 pm
No Levi?  My pick is the other Levi, the one with more hair and on Audiocircle!!!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 13 Jul 2011, 04:58 pm
Hey guys, where do you install a frame pump?  I have a cool Lyzene and it looks strange on my seat tube. Does it go on the down tube?  My waterbottle blocks wind so it appears more aero on the seat tube. Any idea?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 13 Jul 2011, 05:04 pm
I carry a CO2 inflator with 2 spare carts, 1 tube and an instant patch kit, any more than that and I will walk out
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 13 Jul 2011, 05:06 pm
Mount it where your water bottle is and use a camelbak  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 13 Jul 2011, 05:15 pm
Hi guys, road cyclists don't use camelbacks!  It's strictly forbidden.

I have a CO2 but wanted to also carry a pump.  It can mount under either water bottle holder and I was wondering which one is better, seat tube or down tube.

Thanks!
J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Jul 2011, 07:35 pm
If you like the convenience of carrying a real pump, simply stash it in your jersey pocket.

Keep your bike as clean as possible.  No bags.  No mudguards.  That's just me.  :lol:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Weights/IMG_9327.jpg)

Hi guys, road cyclists don't use camelbacks!  It's strictly forbidden.

I have a CO2 but wanted to also carry a pump.  It can mount under either water bottle holder and I was wondering which one is better, seat tube or down tube.

Thanks!
J
Hey guys, where do you install a frame pump?  I have a cool Lyzene and it looks strange on my seat tube. Does it go on the down tube?  My waterbottle blocks wind so it appears more aero on the seat tube. Any idea?

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 13 Jul 2011, 07:44 pm
What do you know Levi, look at that filthy bike!   :wink:Anyway, I appreciate your help.  I hate carrying things (it's my road bike) and have it on the seat tube at the moment.  It's too big for my pocket anyway because I bought the medium. 

The Lezyne pump is a work of art and very lightweight.  I used my friends on a real flat and it works well.  CO2's are great but I'm digging my pump.  Got the shiny silver.  Pimp-tastic!

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jul 2011, 02:27 pm
Lezyne are well made.

I used lots of floor pumps.  Lezyne's aluminum floor pump works really well. It allows me to seal the beads on my tubeless setup. 

What do you know Levi, look at that filthy bike!   :wink:Anyway, I appreciate your help.  I hate carrying things (it's my road bike) and have it on the seat tube at the moment.  It's too big for my pocket anyway because I bought the medium. 

The Lezyne pump is a work of art and very lightweight.  I used my friends on a real flat and it works well.  CO2's are great but I'm digging my pump.  Got the shiny silver.  Pimp-tastic!

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 14 Jul 2011, 02:38 pm
It prep of the Tree Farm relay race on the 23rd I went out with another team member that is WAY faster than me and hammered(for the 2nd time on dirt this year)

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98972930
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 14 Jul 2011, 03:48 pm
Hi guys, I'm really sorry for posting in the wrong thread!  I thought this was road cycles (on road) and wasn't paying attention.  On my MTB, I would just pocket the pump.  Too much brush and mud to put it on the frame.  Plus, you totally should use a Camelback water bottle on an MTB.  I loved mine and will have to get a new one eventually because I can't find it!

Cheers and thanks!

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jul 2011, 04:29 pm
Cool.  I fun ride last Sunday.  I had to do 2 1/2 laps to get 24miles off-road.

It is funny we did the same amount of riding time of @2:19hrs.  :thumb: 
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98333946

It prep of the Tree Farm relay race on the 23rd I went out with another team member that is WAY faster than me and hammered(for the 2nd time on dirt this year)

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98972930

Jack: I use water bottles for goofing around and for training.  On a race, the same bottles.  If it is endurance race ranging 40+ miles, I use 70mL Camelbak.  The new 2011 bladder are much lighter, easier to fill and clean. 

We used to have both Off-road and On-road thread combined together.  Having said that, I will be doing another Century this Sunday.  It is going to be another fun ride (not a race).   :D

Hi guys, I'm really sorry for posting in the wrong thread!  I thought this was road cycles (on road) and wasn't paying attention.  On my MTB, I would just pocket the pump.  Too much brush and mud to put it on the frame.  Plus, you totally should use a Camelback water bottle on an MTB.  I loved mine and will have to get a new one eventually because I can't find it!

Cheers and thanks!

J


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Jul 2011, 02:09 am
I love tools. 

Here is an excellent tool that I use for truing rotors.  The middle one can be used as a bottle opener.  :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Tools/ee7ca2e0.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Tools/65721afa.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Jul 2011, 01:30 pm
Most problem with rotor alignment is hitting it against something...during a crash, Taking them off and putting the wheels back in etc.

Here is a more precise and fun way of aligning rotors.  I also have the dial gauge to align them within .01mm only to put the wheel back bending it again.   :D. It is quicker to true them in place. Trial and error type.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Hope%20Brakes/IMG_7819.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2011, 04:12 am
I finally had some time to install the new FIT Terralogic cartridge assembly.  Installation took only 10minutes.  It directly replaced the old FIT RLC assembly.  Simply pull the old one out and drop the new one in.  That is there is to it.  Basically. 

I only had very little opportunity to test and ride the new FIT Terralogic.  With Terralogic as simply stated you don't need a lockout on the fork or handle bar.  It is all automatic.  This thing truly works!

The only downside that I see is in the weight.  Terralogic cartridge assembly is 272g vs FIT 165g.  The weight difference is nothing to worry because the performance and efficiency that the new Terralogic cartridge offers outweighs the weight penalty.   :thumb:

Cheers!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Terralogic%20cart/b2a1eee8.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Terralogic%20cart/22620dc6.jpg)
Lockout replaced by rebound damper adjustment.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Fox%20Shox%20Terralogic%20cart/8182bf53.jpg)
Installed

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 19 Jul 2011, 04:49 pm
A great read
http://surlybikes.com/blog/2514/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Jul 2011, 02:10 am
I rode my MTB from home to the nearest off-road trail testing my new Terralogic setup.  Preparation for the Dark Horse 40 race.  It is a 40 mile off road race.  :)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/2%20Garmin%20Connect/HometoCHP.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 1 Aug 2011, 12:41 am
Yet another day at the race.  Picture was taken at Dark Horse 40 2011.  :)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202011/9b17092f.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Aug 2011, 02:08 pm
The Dark Horse 40 race is a tough race but in the end it is a rave party.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202011/029c7b9b.jpg)
2 tents full of good friends

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202011/2ea865e6.jpg)
Catered food

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202011/f815f549.jpg)
Free gels and swags


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 16 Aug 2011, 12:41 pm
Found the entrance to "the Don", i.e. the Don Valley Park trail here in Downtown Toronto.  Great park and <10mins ride to hit it! 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 16 Aug 2011, 01:28 pm
It was good to hear from you Josh.  Glad that you are finally settled in.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 22 Aug 2011, 02:18 am
Today I hit the Don again...this time I had gotten a lot further, then I noticed dark clouds moving fastly in.    I was hoping they'd pass by and leave us a nice unatended trail.  I had gotten a few miles in and then i decided I should make it back, it looks like its gonna get ugly, no sooner did I turn about did it start thundering and lightning and torrentual downpours.  Those trails were seriously slippery!   Most of them are on the sides of steep ravines, so a slip could meet a 100' plummet.   I ate s##t twice on the way back, which means I was covered in mud from head to toe.  I also have an aching shoulder, but somehow I loved every minute of it.

Josh
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: rofo on 22 Aug 2011, 03:50 am
hay, my moto if you go mountain biking and DON'T come back without any scrapes, bruses or covered in dirt than you haven't had any fun.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 22 Aug 2011, 03:56 pm
Hey Josh, awesome stuff!  It's great to hear that you are enjoying your new home.  I'm a big fan of Toronto but have never biked there.  Keep us posted and send some pictures!  Also, MTB can be dangerous, be careful and always wear your helmet!  I hurt my shoulder a long time ago on my MTB and it's never been the same.  Good luck!

Cheers,
J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 22 Aug 2011, 06:28 pm
Clay + rain + off camber trails = slippery!  In a couple spots I felt like I was riding on ice. 

One of the times I ate it, I went around a large downhill bermed turn across a narrow wood bridge to another large berm very quick turn.  You get really high on the berm, but I didn't come down off it fast enough and as soon as it straightened out, my tires went and I hit the berm with my shoulder.   My pectoral surpringly is what is sore today. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 24 Aug 2011, 01:51 pm
So I hit the Don again today.  I went twice as far as previous times and it keeps getting more and more interesting.   Its not really a beginner's place, for different reasons than say northern NJ where its hard because of tons of rocks, there are virtually no or very little rocks.  However, it has tons of *very* steep up and down ravines.  The trail is super fast and flowy but pretty technical in terms of steep drops over roots, skinny bridges thrown in spots where you are flying and some pretty techny skinnies here and there. 

I almost went OTB last night as I was riding up a ramp over a log.  I was near the top when I started to go over the edge and dropped >3' front tire first but managed to pull it off.  Then there was a tee in the trail, I took the upper tee and realized that the way out was a 50' almost vertical descent back down to the trail below.  That got my heart pumping. 

This place is a lot different than any place I've been to in NNJ, its hard to describe.  Average speeds are a lot higher.  If you know the trail you can take the easy route, but sometimes you take the hard one out of not knowing any better.   I guess you can always backtrack, but what is the fun in that?

I am loving my 5" FS here.   Not sure I'd want to take out the GF 29'er on these trails. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 7 Sep 2011, 02:54 pm
Hey Josh or anyone who is into Mountain bikes. There is a huge FAT TIRE FESTIVAL happening next week Sept 17, 2011.

Roadies are welcome  :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/CLIMB/FAT%20TIRE%20FESTIVAL%202011/44345e74.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Sep 2011, 08:41 pm
Needless to say, the CLIMB Fat Tire Festival was lots of fun!

Some pictures that I took with my point and shoot camera.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/CLIMB/FAT%20TIRE%20FESTIVAL%202011/eb3525d3.jpg)
Tricycle race

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/CLIMB/FAT%20TIRE%20FESTIVAL%202011/5ab805ec.jpg)
Grilled foods

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/CLIMB/FAT%20TIRE%20FESTIVAL%202011/52e679f8.jpg)

Finally, after a long hiatus after a gallbladder surgery, I am back in the saddle again!

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 28 Sep 2011, 11:21 pm
Levi, thanks for sharing the pictures. It's good to hear you are back in action.  I've been bad and have not been on my bike in weeks.  That's another story!

Cheers
Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Sep 2011, 01:00 am
Thanks Jack.  I hope you are able to go back to riding again.  Soon!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: lonewolfny42 on 12 Oct 2011, 03:03 am
See this ?  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2oymHHyV1M&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Oct 2011, 04:08 am
Yup.  Saw that the other day.  Lots of hits now.

Wear a good helmet at all times.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 18 Oct 2011, 03:55 am
Sunday Oct 16:  We could not ask for a perfect day for this once a year event called "Triple Crown".  It is a 65mile ride of road and off-road mtb ride.  We simply hopped from one trail to another in Long Island, New York.  90+ riders and some change.  Pretty good turnout!

Group picture!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Triple%20Crown%202011/db5107a5-1.jpg) (http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Triple%20Crown%202011/db5107a5.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 11 Nov 2011, 12:50 am
wow, just seeing this.  65 miles off-road is hardcore!  I'd be lucky to do 8 miles.

Love the Don up here.... its not for beginners apparently.   Funny story...  I went out on a date two months back with a girl from Canada.  She said she went to U of British Columbia and was on the downhill mountain biking team.   So I decide to take her out to the Don.  She bites it right off.  Second time OTB on a big steep decline, looks bad but she laughs it off and says she is alright.  Third time she almost went went down the ravine if it weren't for a tree.   Says she is fine, laughs.  Next day I didn't call her because my mom had to go into surgery unexpectedly.  The following day I called her.  I asked how she was, she said, "was home all night, I have bruises all over."   Her attitude was fairly jovial so I joked and said, "you must be an easy bruiser", she replied with, "I need someone more in tune with my feelings, I don't want to see you again."   I just laughed and agreed.  I was seriously laughing.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: rofo on 11 Nov 2011, 02:13 am
come and join us next year. this is an IMBA Epic trail. http://www.torontocyclist.com/bbc/pauls/faqs.html
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 6 Dec 2011, 03:27 am
This thread went silent?   The season?

Just got my wheels from Steve...forget him moniker on here, but he is on here...I'll fill in later.   Anyway, he did a very nice job, they look top notch.  Pleasure to deal with.  Really happy with the quality of results.

Wheelset i23 WTB AM rims, CK hubs, Wheelsmith DB 14 spoke, quoted 1850gm rotating weight.... before you judge, these are meant to take a punishment.... I like to jump and take drops.   I am very out of shape, but I am also very aggressive and prefer technical and aggressive riding to fast riding.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 6 Dec 2011, 05:14 am
Congrats on the new wheels.  Those AM wheels will last you a lifetime.  :thumb: 

The forum is quiet but the racing action is still happening in the background.  :)

I placed in the top 10 last week's Something Wicked Race.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Something%20Wicked%20Race%202011/IMG_2532.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 6 Dec 2011, 06:50 am
Hi Josh,

I'm here, it's always fun bouncing from one forum to another with our various hobbies! My website link is in my profile.

Steve

This thread went silent?   The season?

Just got my wheels from Steve...forget him moniker on here, but he is on here...I'll fill in later.   Anyway, he did a very nice job, they look top notch.  Pleasure to deal with.  Really happy with the quality of results.

Wheelset i23 WTB AM rims, CK hubs, Wheelsmith DB 14 spoke, quoted 1850gm rotating weight.... before you judge, these are meant to take a punishment.... I like to jump and take drops.   I am very out of shape, but I am also very aggressive and prefer technical and aggressive riding to fast riding.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 6 Dec 2011, 03:14 pm
Congrats Levi!  I haven't been out in a few weeks although the weather has been kind enough here.  Sort of an indian summer turned into a temperate fall.  Its been rainy all week, so I am not sure I'd want to go out this weekend.  Wet trails here are treacherous.  Hoping to get in a few rides though before it is brutal cold.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 9 Dec 2011, 02:24 am
Agree, congrats Levi.  Top notch work finishing top 10.  Thanks for all the pics too.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Dec 2011, 02:47 am
Thank you for the complement. 

This is next.  Not exactly off-road.  Phil will be joining me on this.  http://granfondony.com/

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/1%20Cervelo%20R3/Gran%20Fondo%20New%20York%202012/GFNY.png)

We are also having a NYC Bike Expo on the same week.


http://www.nycbikeexpo.com/

(http://www.nycbikeexpo.com/images/header2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 9 Dec 2011, 12:54 pm
Congrats Levi!  I miss reading this thread.  Hopefully we can keep it alive in the winter.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 9 Dec 2011, 02:20 pm
Just got a new fork for my Canfield Yelli Screamy.

Marzocchi 44 Micro TI 29 Tapered with 140mm of travel.  Retail is around $750 and got it shipped for $270  :thumb:

I had a Reba RL but it had way too much flex in it.  I haven't had a chance to ride the new fork, but from doing stoppies in my driveway, I can already tell it's a HUGE improvement over the Reba.

The fork also has lots of clearance.  My 2.35 Panracer Rampage tire on a Stans Flow rim isn't even close to touching the fork.

Using a DT Swiss 240s OS hub, so it was VERY easy to convert to 15mm TA. 

Another bonus is that a good friend of mine is riding a rigid 29 and wants suspension but can't afford a fork right now.  With the money I saved on my new fork, I'll be able to practically just give him my old one. 

I ride year round too, so I'd like to see this thread stay alive.  We went on a night ride in december last year.  So cold the hose on my camelbak started to freeze lol
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bside123 on 9 Dec 2011, 03:13 pm
As an occasional, but regular cycler (not in the winter though), I was absolutely astonished by this video of an off-road biker in Scotland. A master that defies the laws of gravity. This stuff is stunning! Perhaps you've all already seen this clip, but I felt compelled to share it with all of you on this thread!  :thumb:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&vq=medium :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 24 Feb 2012, 11:50 pm
I recently replaced a worn-out sidewalls Maxxis Larsen TT 2.0 with a new Maxxis Ardent 2.25 tire on my rear wheel. I enjoyed the increased volume today, first ride with the new tire, on a 5.5 mi loop in Scottsdale and seasonally warm temps at 80 degrees!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 11 Apr 2012, 01:17 am
Here is good gear calculator.

http://www.gear-calculator.com/#
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Jun 2012, 11:06 am
Ok.  Here she is.  It needs minor dialing in.  I rode her at Stillwell and very impressed with the ride quality.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/c3eef2bf.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/0c035b05.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 12 Jun 2012, 11:51 am
^ Looks nice, what does it weigh?  Also, have you considered running the front brake line inside the fork instead of on the outside?  It give better protection if you lay the bike over, and also decreases the chance of the brake line snagging something.


I've been riding my yelli screamy a lot lately. We've built some jumps and have been riding some small dirt jumps, pump tracks, and mx jumps. I ended up bending my hand built flow rims lol.  Looks like i'll be replacing those wtih Salsa Gordos soon.  :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 12 Jun 2012, 12:26 pm
Levi, wow!  Lynskey Helix!  That is a smokin ride.  There are a couple Lynskeys in my road group. Great bikes.  They seem to be leading the charge in Ti bikes these days.  Made in Tennessee by the guys who know titanium.  Very nice bike.

Congrats!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Jun 2012, 12:41 pm
Thanks guys for the complement.

@Coke, How does it weigh?  I am not sure yet. My guess will be in the high 22 lb. I didn't realize I routed the front cables the wrong way. Thanks for looking at the picture.

Thanks Jack, David Lynskey knows how to build a bike.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/Lynskey%20Pro%2029%20frame/af3baf39.jpg)





^ Looks nice, what does it weigh?  Also, have you considered running the front brake line inside the fork instead of on the outside?  It give better protection if you lay the bike over, and also decreases the chance of the brake line snagging something.


I've been riding my yelli screamy a lot lately. We've built some jumps and have been riding some small dirt jumps, pump tracks, and mx jumps. I ended up bending my hand built flow rims lol.  Looks like i'll be replacing those wtih Salsa Gordos soon.  :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Jun 2012, 12:56 pm
I was able to weigh it and my Lynskey Pro29 weighs 21 lbs.  It is a little heavy compared to my 26" Merlin XLM. However, the Lynskey felt like it is much lighter when pedalling.  Pro29 is definitely a much faster bike!

Now that I have a 29er, needless to say you can do similar upgrades to the Fox Racing Shox 29er fork.  8-)

I upgraded from 1-1/8 to a tapared fork assembly.  This particular upgrade requires new tapered headset and ultimately a frame that supports it. The advantage in going tapered fork is clear. Handling and Lighter weight has improved even more with the tapered fork. Cheers!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Tapered%20Fox%20Shox/e81e72d8.jpg)
New 2013 tapered fork assembly w/ Kashima coating

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Tapered%20Fox%20Shox/8e45955c.jpg)
1-1/8 vs 1-1/8 to 1.5 fork assembly

This is similar to Sidi Dragon 3 vs Dragon 2.  :D

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/333ce429.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 29 Jun 2012, 01:18 pm
I'm using a tapered fork with 15mm thru axle.   There's a VERY noticeable difference in stiffness between this setup and a non-tapered fork with quick release.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Jun 2012, 01:29 pm
Agreed!

What frame are you using...

I'm using a tapered fork with 15mm thru axle.   There's a VERY noticeable difference in stiffness between this setup and a non-tapered fork with quick release.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 29 Jun 2012, 02:20 pm
Canfield Brothers Yelli Screamy

(http://www.canfieldbrothers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/YS-Group1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Jun 2012, 02:54 pm
Nice colorful frames!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Jun 2012, 04:27 pm
The YelliScreamy looks like a fun bike in 29 hoops. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Jun 2012, 05:28 pm
got a newbie question.  Can you use a 9mm QR wheelset on 15mm fork with an adaptor or some sort?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Jun 2012, 06:15 pm
It will work if your hubs can be converted like the I9 hubs.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 30 Jun 2012, 07:13 pm
The YelliScreamy looks like a fun bike in 29 hoops.

Yeah, it is a fun bike and does everything well.  Here's a quick vid of me playing around on a small pump track.  Nothing too impressive, but the yelli definitely does this type of riding better than most 29ers.  The 2nd vid shows another jump i've done on the bike, except I didn't have a camera with me at the time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_PF-Kxs-OE&list=UU7LhFX15YLLy9stY83WuQ2w&index=7&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIM6Ee9vhuY&list=UU7LhFX15YLLy9stY83WuQ2w&index=8&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Jun 2012, 10:29 pm
I have CK hubs
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Jun 2012, 11:37 pm
CK hubs are not upgradeable.

It is cheaper to get a new front wheel.

I have CK hubs

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Jul 2012, 03:35 pm
Thanks, i was mostly just curious.  Been browsing bikes (like i need another) and saw most come with 15mm forks.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jul 2012, 08:20 pm
I am looking to shed some weight on my 29'ers (~29lbs currently).  My 5" FS 26'er weighs only 27.5lbs and has all high end AM oriented parts.

Specs: http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=2010&Brand=Gary+Fisher&Model=X-Caliber&Type=bike

I want this to be my XC fast riding, semi-aggressive bike but won't be doing drops/jumps on this. 

Wheels seem the first place to start. 

Then what?  Rear derailleur upgrade might be nice for better shifting and might get a tiny bit of weight loss.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 8 Jul 2012, 08:29 pm
I would look at Stan's arch or crest wheels depending upon how much you weigh.

Or, if you really want to go light, go with their race wheels. I weigh 155 and run them on a hard tail. They've been fine so far.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Jul 2012, 08:34 pm
I was thinking Arch,  how good are the stan's hubs or should I look to the custom ones?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 8 Jul 2012, 08:52 pm
The hubs seem to be fine. I've really not felt I wanted "more" from them and the freehub shell looks to be standing up pretty well.
I realize hubs can be a personal thing so YMMV.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Jul 2012, 02:46 am
Hey Josh, it looks like you are in the right direction.  I would go for ZTR 355 instead of Stans Arch.  I currently use ZTR Crest w/ Industry Nine hubs with their proprietary aluminum spokes.  The bike accelerates like a 26er.  I like Enve XC wheel set.  I just need someone to convince me that it is better than my current setup.   :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 9 Jul 2012, 02:55 am
Lose 5 pounds. Think about it. How difficult is it to reduce your bike weight by 5 pounds vs losing 5 pounds yourself?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 9 Jul 2012, 03:04 am
It seems like a good idea.  However, if your bike loses 5 lbs. you will be able to use larger cogs which makes you go faster.  Going faster will encourage you to loose 5 + pounds.  A lighter bike is a more efficient bike and will give you handling advantage.  That's how I look at it. 

Start with a lightweight frame and the rest will follow.

Lose 5 pounds. Think about it. How difficult is it to reduce your bike weight by 5 pounds vs losing 5 pounds yourself?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 9 Jul 2012, 10:59 am
It seems like a good idea.  However, if your bike loses 5 lbs. you will be able to use larger cogs which makes you go faster.  Going faster will encourage you to loose 5 + pounds.  A lighter bike is a more efficient bike and will give you handling advantage.  That's how I look at it. 

Start with a lightweight frame and the rest will follow.

If I lose 5 pounds I'll be in better shape and therefore be able to use larger cogs as well, no? Alternately if I have a heavier bike it takes more energy to pedal therefore helping me to lose more weight too.

I am with you on the handling side of things. While geometry places a big role in handling, lighter is better for handling. The few times I have taken out a really light bike for a test ride I felt like it was an extension of my body.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 9 Jul 2012, 12:24 pm
Unless you have really heavy wheels, it's difficult and expensive to take significant weight off of your bike.  Easier and cheaper to lose weight many of us carry around in out mid sections. 

Also, heavier bike will not help get you in shape faster.  Assuming you are going all out, full power, a heavier bike will just climb slower.  It's not like swinging a weighted bat or weight training.  You only have so much wattage output regardless if your ride. Light bikes just go faster at the same wattage output. 

Josh, just train in intervals.  It's the fastest way to develop speed and to get in shape.  There are some things you can do to lighten your bike, starting with the wheels but a pound or two weight loss of your bike is going to cost you big bucks. I know some crazy fast guys who ride heavy bikes including a 60 year old guy who rides a 40 lb Pugsley. He rides tons of miles and was able to keep up with my riding group on a 50 mile ride at over 20 mph. 

If you are having trouble with hills, see if you can get a bigger cassette and spin at a higher cadence.  This might make your existing bike easier to navigate up hill.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 9 Jul 2012, 02:32 pm
My goals were a few....  1) I think this bike could shed a *bit* of weight without going crazy.  Wheels seem like a decent idea all around.  The current ones are relatively heavy and despite their "tubeless ready" status are notorious for not holding a seal when ridden tubeless.   I want to go tubeless as lower pressure equals better traction which is important where I ride. 
2) spending money only motivates me more, to get out there and ride, or else it is a waste.  I've managed to put in a few miles each week for this month and plan to step it up a bit more. 
3) I need to loose weight but so does my bike, IMO.  Looking for just a bit better responsiveness and handling/agility...not a lot, just some and maybe a bit better shifting from the rear.  My X9 RD/trigger on my Trance is much nicer than the X7 same on X-cal. 

I actually had an impulse and pulled the trigger on wheels.  I can always keep them for another bike in the future if I want, so I don't see them as bad investments.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Jul 2012, 04:27 am
Here is my new bling!   :green:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Formula%20R1R/46d46119.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Jul 2012, 07:21 pm
What kind of brakes are those?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 12 Jul 2012, 07:34 pm
Those are the Formula R1 Racing.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 12 Jul 2012, 07:35 pm
Found a practically new used set of wheels locally. Picking them up this weekend.  Flow rims, hope pro 2 hubs, xt cassette, rotors already installed, and specialized tires - $250 for the set  :thumb:

I plan to put some racing tires on these and run them tubeless for when the trails are smooth and i want more speed. These are nice since they already have the cassette and right size rotors, so it will be no problem at all to swap them out.

Normal wheels are stans flows with dt240s front hub and dt350 rear hub.  These are very nice, but I run heavy slime tubes and heavy tires with slow tread for most of the trails around here.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Jul 2012, 11:30 pm
Good score!  I think Levi paid more for his front brake. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 13 Jul 2012, 01:44 am
Found a practically new used set of wheels locally. Picking them up this weekend.  Flow rims, hope pro 2 hubs, xt cassette, rotors already installed, and specialized tires - $250 for the set  :thumb:

I plan to put some racing tires on these and run them tubeless for when the trails are smooth and i want more speed. These are nice since they already have the cassette and right size rotors, so it will be no problem at all to swap them out.

Normal wheels are stans flows with dt240s front hub and dt350 rear hub.  These are very nice, but I run heavy slime tubes and heavy tires with slow tread for most of the trails around here.

Pro2 hubs are ultra loud. I sold mine because they are LOUD! I like DT hubs, if your 350 has the plate-type engagement DT sells 36 pt plates as an upgrade for the stock 18 pt plates.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Jul 2012, 02:27 am
They are a little expensive but lightweight.  That is the only reason why I bought them.   :D

Good score!  I think Levi paid more for his front brake. ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Jul 2012, 02:41 am
I was just teasing....I have no issues with spending money on a healthy hobby.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Jul 2012, 06:32 am
N.P. Josh.  I totally agree for investing for your health. 

I was just teasing....I have no issues with spending money on a healthy hobby.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 13 Jul 2012, 12:24 pm
Pro2 hubs are ultra loud. I sold mine because they are LOUD! I like DT hubs, if your 350 has the plate-type engagement DT sells 36 pt plates as an upgrade for the stock 18 pt plates.

I wasn't aware of the noise.  A friend of mine is close to 300 pounds and is on a very cheap wheelset.  Always breaking spokes and having to true wheels.  I might end up passing these along to him for a good price.

I converted mine to 36pt.  It really makes a difference in slow technical rocky areas.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Jul 2012, 12:49 pm
N.P. Josh.  I totally agree for investing for your health. 


Let us know how those brakes work.  I am assuming they are hydraulic? 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Jul 2012, 12:58 pm
My park tools scale showed up.  As I suspected, my seat+seatpost are pigs, 362g+335g respectively.  Pretty easy to shed a half pound right there.  I think I am going to pick up a Thompson seatpost and go to my LBS and find a comfortable saddle, never like this one anyway.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 13 Jul 2012, 06:34 pm
Thopmson posts are great. They are light and strong.  You might want to check out one of their stems. Wheels are a good option for taking weight from your bike. 

I'm going for a ride tonight!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 15 Jul 2012, 03:02 pm
Interesting article on the affect of weight. you need a substantial reduction to make a difference. For a non racer it may not be worth it.


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/05/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/tech-faq-does-bike-weight-matter_220429
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Jul 2012, 03:07 pm
I do race and it makes a huge difference.

That makes sense because if you are not going to race, why make it lightweight right?  Recreational riders use tall gears and go crawl pace.  Specially if you ride by yourself.

However, if you are riding with a group of fast guys. You may want to consider getting all the advantage you need to be efficient.

Heavy bike handles like an SUV vs a lighter bike which handles like a Nissan Maxima.  However, you only notice the difference when you go fast. LOL!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 15 Jul 2012, 04:48 pm
Yep, I agree weight makes a difference, but maybe not as much as most people assume.  The article used a significant decrease in weight, 4 lbs and a huge hill of 20% grade to illustrate the difference.  Most rides around here at not climbing those types of hills and the difference in speed would be unnoticeable on flats and less on typical hills like he ones around here. Maybe dropping bike weight makes more sense for people in steep hilly areas.

Lastly, I believe handling has more to do with design and geometry than it does with weight. I'm not sure lighter bikes are necessarily better handling.  Some lightweight designs or components can be less durable or have weight limits.  Doesn't this potentially negatively affect handling?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 15 Jul 2012, 05:37 pm
In general, lighter mt bikes are more fun to ride. That's the only reason I need.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bhakti on 15 Jul 2012, 05:52 pm
IMHO, I think decreasing the rotational mass is worthwhile.

In my case, decreasing the rotational mass by purchasing lighter wheels did make a noticeable difference in climbing steep technical sections.  I found I could accelerate quicker, which helps when you need that burst to get you through the gnar.  :D

The trade-off is that extra mass might carry you down a little smoother.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 15 Jul 2012, 06:10 pm
Yep, I agree weight makes a difference, but maybe not as much as most people assume.  The article used a significant decrease in weight, 4 lbs and a huge hill of 20% grade to illustrate the difference.  Most rides around here at not climbing those types of hills and the difference in speed would be unnoticeable on flats and less on typical hills like he ones around here. Maybe dropping bike weight makes more sense for people in steep hilly areas.

Lastly, I believe handling has more to do with design and geometry than it does with weight. I'm not sure lighter bikes are necessarily better handling.  Some lightweight designs or components can be less durable or have weight limits.  Doesn't this potentially negatively affect handling?

It sure does when it breaks   :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 15 Jul 2012, 07:03 pm

The trade-off is that extra mass might carry you down a little smoother.

That's a myth, world cup dh bikes are getting to be under 35 lbs. There's no advantage to a heavier bike assuming the components perform identically.

My burly "AM" bike is 32 lbs even and I can feel a few ounces difference in the bike... weight is a really big deal IMO.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 15 Jul 2012, 07:07 pm
I think a bit lighter bike helps a tiny bit with agility and throwing it around, but in general not a whole lot.  The rotational mass is the biggest difference I think. 

I switched to tubeless and it might be in my head but it does seem to ride a whole lot nicer.  Better traction and just feels more responsive.  Again could be in my head, the placebo effect is powerful.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 15 Jul 2012, 09:36 pm
My burly "AM" bike is 32 lbs even and I can feel a few ounces difference in the bike... weight is a really big deal IMO.

My light AM bike is ~27lbs (think the latest wheels shaved weight but haven't weighed it yet, 27.5lbs before).  My 29'er is 29lbs.  The light AM bike is a lot of fun to ride, more agile, more confidence inspiring, but the 29er feel faster on the same trails (the lesser side, as I don't ride the 29'er on the techy stuff).   I find I ride the Trance X (26 fully) much more, as it is more fun to ride.  Then I take out the 29er and I feel the speed and I decide that the speed to addictive.   It's good to have both.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: bhakti on 16 Jul 2012, 01:52 am

That's a myth, world cup dh bikes are getting to be under 35 lbs. There's no advantage to a heavier bike assuming the components perform identically.


I was referring to rotational mass and not just weight in general.  And also smoothness and not speed.  It's not a myth - it's physics - gyroscopic forces and all that.  Whether or not one can actually feel the difference, I don't know.

Just keep on ridin'  8)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 16 Jul 2012, 02:12 am
I was referring to rotational mass and not just weight in general.  And also smoothness and not speed.  It's not a myth - it's physics - gyroscopic forces and all that.  Whether or not one can actually feel the difference, I don't know.

Just keep on ridin'  8)

Oh, I totally get what you're saying. I have had both 45 lb DH race bikes and now my current 37 lb DH bike. Heavier bikes can maintain momentum when plowing rocks but on average are slower than lighter dh bikes. It's actually a huge difference either going uphill or down. Current lightweight DH bikes are amazing, and unfortunately so are the prices...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 16 Jul 2012, 02:18 am
My light AM bike is ~27lbs (think the latest wheels shaved weight but haven't weighed it yet, 27.5lbs before).  My 29'er is 29lbs.  The light AM bike is a lot of fun to ride, more agile, more confidence inspiring, but the 29er feel faster on the same trails (the lesser side, as I don't ride the 29'er on the techy stuff).   I find I ride the Trance X (26 fully) much more, as it is more fun to ride.  Then I take out the 29er and I feel the speed and I decide that the speed to addictive.   It's good to have both.

I'd love to have a light-ish 29er, I rode an Intense Spider 29er and a Turner Sultan 29er, both were really fun bikes. The Intense still sticks in my mind as the best climbing bike I've ever been on, it's abilities to clear technical obstacles was amazing. It's hard to say if a 29er is naturally more efficient from point A to B... I think sometimes they can be, they roll over bumpy terrain really well, but on average I think it's too close to call. If I were to go out and buy a light trail bike today I have no idea if I'd end up with 29" wheels. Luckily I don't have the cash to worry about it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 17 Jul 2012, 07:28 pm
Got the used 29" wheels today.  They have some signs of use but are in excellent shape   :D

Hope Pro 2 Hubs
White Stans Flow Rims
Like new Specialized nimbus tires
185 front rotor
160 rear rotor

He also threw in a Ardent 2.4 tire and a geax gato tire. This was totally unexpected but awesome because i use ardents on my bike and a friend of mine is in desperate need of an aggressive tire so the gato will be perfect for him.

Total price = $200  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: s_cervin on 17 Jul 2012, 10:01 pm
I'd love to have a light-ish 29er, I rode an Intense Spider 29er and a Turner Sultan 29er, both were really fun bikes. The Intense still sticks in my mind as the best climbing bike I've ever been on, it's abilities to clear technical obstacles was amazing. It's hard to say if a 29er is naturally more efficient from point A to B... I think sometimes they can be, they roll over bumpy terrain really well, but on average I think it's too close to call. If I were to go out and buy a light trail bike today I have no idea if I'd end up with 29" wheels. Luckily I don't have the cash to worry about it.

Ridden so many FS 29er's in the past 8 months I'm not sure where to begin.  I currently ride a Specialized Epic Comp with Stans Arch EX + 240s.  I'm in MI so it has mostly been XC except for Crested Butte, Fruita, and Moab (UPS>LPS>PR & Slickrock).  It has been the best bike I've except for one...Epic S-Works.

Bikes ridden-
Turner Sultan
Yeti SB95
Trek Rumblefish
Niner Jet RDO
Niner RIP9
Cannondale Scalpel 29 carbon
Epic S-works
Stumpjumper FSR S-Works

It is a toss up between the Cannondale and the Epic.  Might have to look into an Epic w/ new Lefty!!  Way too much $$ for my blood though.  The Stans wheels were a big enough improvement for me and I just can't justify the $1000 a lb, but the bike was a rocket!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 18 Jul 2012, 12:15 am
Got an XTR crankset for quarters on the dollar locally off pinkbike.  My crankset is a beast, so that will shed some weight.   Together with seatpost/seat which drops a half a pound and wheels which drop all crucial rotating weight, I think I've come up to the goal fairly quickly.  I will do a weigh in before and aft.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2012, 03:30 pm
Here is the Formula R1R installed. It is basically a tweaked out R1!  So powerful I only needed 140mm in the back and 160mm in the front. Did I say lightweight or bling the bling?  ;-)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cathedral%20Pines%20summer%2012/66e2a1df.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 19 Jul 2012, 03:46 pm
Well my friend I bought the wheels for canceled on riding with me yesterday, so I decided to keep the wheels for myself and put them on my spare bike.

I couldn't believe the difference it made.  It went from feeling only slightly better than a walmart bike, to feeling almost as good as my main bike.  Wheels have to be one of the best upgrades you can make.

I plan to ride it today and this weekend instead of my main bike.  I had built this bike from leftover parts so I'd have something for friends to ride when needed, but now I think a nice frame and fork may be justified  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2012, 04:52 pm
+1

Wheels and tire combination are extremely important. I went out of my way and upgraded all the bearings to ceramic. It is a little extreme but that is just me. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: zybar on 19 Jul 2012, 04:55 pm
Hey guys,

Are the wheels/tires as important and impactful with road bikes?

George
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 19 Jul 2012, 05:13 pm
Not sure about the road but these are things I notice offroad.

Much stiffer.  Through rough stuff, i feel less wheel flex and vibration.  They don't squat as much under hard breaking either.

Steering seems much more precise

Power transfer is also greatly improved.  The hubs with more points of engagement help in technical stuff (probably pointless for a road bike though).  The stiffness also helps when accelerating. 

Light weight wheels and tires makes a big difference in acceleration. This is by far the best place to try to lose weight on a bike.

Hubs with better bearings roll noticeably smoother

In my case, I bought really strong wheels so they can handle jumps, rocks, and need less trueing than cheaper wheels.

Both sets of my wheels have hubs that can easily converted to handle different types of axles.  Makes it cheap and easy to try different forks or swap wheels between bikes.

The hubs are extremly easy to service.  I can clean and grease them in a few minutes and it doesn't require any tools.

Sealed cartrige bearings are much easier for me to work with than cone & cup.  They are also more resistant to water and dirt.

My wheels allow me to safely run tubeless if i want.  This lets me run lower pressures and saves some weight. 

My rims are a little wider than normal.  This improves the profile of some of the big tires i like to run.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 19 Jul 2012, 06:08 pm
Hey guys,

Are the wheels/tires as important and impactful with road bikes?

George
I will say yes but the differences are not as obvious as they are in the mtn bike world.
An obvious example would be between sewup and clincher set ups. The sewups will ride better, safer and faster than any clincher combo available but unless you are willing to deal with their hassles, they may not be worth it. There are very good clincher/tire combos available now that get close to sewup feel, weight and performance but they still are not 100% comparable -  but they are clinchers and are relatively simple to manage.

Mtn biking is too broad a sport when it comes to wheels and tires. There are DH specific, XC specific, All Mtn, Trail, Race, Lightweight Race, etc. Then you have tubeless and tubed versions for all these and all the different axle types. With tires you have widths and volume and tread patterns and TPI and thread material and reinforcement and on and on. And they all make a pretty noticeable difference in my experience. The road world seems to be a little less "involved" probably because it's all done on the road rather than on dirt and roads just don't vary all that much. On the road you want light weight, good feel, speed and to some more than others, durability.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 19 Jul 2012, 06:20 pm
I am a bit curious about the cheap chinese carbon rims that seem to be all the rage on eMTyBeeR.  Supposedly really stiff and rugged. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 19 Jul 2012, 06:35 pm
I am a bit curious about the cheap chinese carbon rims that seem to be all the rage on eMTyBeeR.  Supposedly really stiff and rugged.

Cheap? Carbon? These are words not often found together.

Are these tubular or clincher rims? Oh, MTBR, so clincher. Disk brakes so no worry about overheating and melting. Hmm. What else could go wrong?

And how cheap is cheap anyways?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 19 Jul 2012, 07:49 pm
They are cheaper than Enve wheels.  Enve composite sets the bar in carbon rims.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 27 Jul 2012, 05:17 pm
I've decided to give full suspension a try. I've never owned one but think it might work better for some of the really rocky trails around here.  I plan to sell my frame to help fund the build, so I thought I'd get a picture while the bike was still in one piece. 



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65708)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Jul 2012, 06:15 pm
What size frame is it?  I am assuming large. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Jul 2012, 06:18 pm
The cheap clinchers are $140/ea  here: http://www.light-bicycle.com/ (http://www.light-bicycle.com/)   Lots and lots of buzz on MTBR on them.  Apparently they are really stiff and durable. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 27 Jul 2012, 06:44 pm
I've decided to give full suspension a try. I've never owned one but think it might work better for some of the really rocky trails around here.  I plan to sell my frame to help fund the build, so I thought I'd get a picture while the bike was still in one piece. 



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65708)

Nice Bike! I have the same cranks and pedals on my trail bike, an '09 Trek Remedy.

I'd love to have a 29er hardtail too, but I'd want mine in the low 20 lb range and only use it for relatively buff trails. Just rode yesterday with a friend who has a new carbon niner hardtail at about 20-21 lbs...

I'm sure you'll love a FS bike, have fun choosing from the gazillion options out there. I personally like the NomadC and Trek Slash... both are super capable and can be built under 30 lbs.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 27 Jul 2012, 06:47 pm
It's a medium frame. It feels absolutely perfect when out of the saddle, but a little cramped while sitting and pedaling on smooth xc trails. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 27 Jul 2012, 06:49 pm
Nice Bike! I have the same cranks and pedals on my trail bike, an '09 Trek Remedy.

I'd love to have a 29er hardtail too, but I'd want mine in the low 20 lb range and only use it for relatively buff trails. Just rode yesterday with a friend who has a new carbon niner hardtail at about 20-21 lbs...

I'm sure you'll love a FS bike, have fun choosing from the gazillion options out there. I personally like the NomadC and Trek Slash... both are super capable and can be built under 30 lbs.

Yeah there's too many options and it's almost impossible to find a test ride in Oklahoma. 

3 leading candidates are a niner rip9, transition bandit 29, and a Devinci Atlas
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 27 Jul 2012, 06:58 pm
Yeah there's too many options and it's almost impossible to find a test ride in Oklahoma. 

3 leading candidates are a niner rip9, transition bandit 29, and a Devinci Atlas

Gotcha...  luckily it's hard to make a poor choice these days.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Jul 2012, 09:27 pm
You might want to consider IBIS's new 29'er.   Looks to be a righteous stead!!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: s_cervin on 27 Jul 2012, 09:31 pm
Make the trip to Outerbike and ride as many as you can.  Last year trial bikes were hard to come by, but it sounds like some are taking reservations.  Was a great event with the rides, food, and free beer!

Will be headed back next year.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: J-Pak on 27 Jul 2012, 09:33 pm
I am thinking about either a Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29 or or the 26 version. I do some all mountain riding, and I'm not exactly sure if I'll get the fine control I like with 29" wheels. I've only ridden one 29" bike (SC Tallboy LT) and I preferred the Blunt LT when taking tight turns, especially when combined with downhill sections. My gut tells me there was a geometry mismatch with the Tallboy though.

Anyone have any thoughts? I noticed that most pure all mountain bikes are 26"

I'm annoyed to have missed a Specialized demo day  :duh:

Really happy to see a prospering mountain biking thread, the other hifi forum I hang out on is all roadies!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 27 Jul 2012, 10:14 pm
I am thinking about either a Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29 or or the 26 version. I do some all mountain riding, and I'm not exactly sure if I'll get the fine control I like with 29" wheels. I've only ridden one 29" bike (SC Tallboy LT) and I preferred the Blunt LT when taking tight turns, especially when combined with downhill sections. My gut tells me there was a geometry mismatch with the Tallboy though.

Anyone have any thoughts? I noticed that most pure all mountain bikes are 26"

I'm annoyed to have missed a Specialized demo day  :duh:

Really happy to see a prospering mountain biking thread, the other hifi forum I hang out on is all roadies!

My preference for an AM bike is a coil shock (CCDB or Vivid Air would be ok), about 160mm travel, and a Fox 36/Lyric. A bike like the NomadC can be built under 30 lbs and there isn't too much difference in efficiency vs a Blur LT, but a bike with a coil shock and 36 fork is much, much more capable on the downhill. 3 of my friends got a NomadC/36 this year and they are all much faster both up and down the hill vs. what they were riding previously. 2 were on Intense Tracer VPs and one on a Transition girls' FR bike, forget which model.

The 29er thing is a personal preference, I like 26ers for AM but would love to have a light 29er for max efficiency and buff trails. However, I ride DH and expect my AM bike to be able to navigate the same kind of terrain and be able to jump well. This pretty much rules out 29ers and air shocks.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Jul 2012, 04:40 am
I don't have to fortune to live out west, so given our trail systems out here, I have a 5" FS 26er and a 29'er HT.   I am slowly migrating the 29'er to be more XC oriented a lighter.   The 26'er I ride more often, admittedly.  Its just more fun. 

I went out today on a decent, although not super long ride, with a coworker.   It was his first time out and I lent him my 29'er.   I was practising skinnies, we have a lot.    I cleared a few I hadn't cleared before.  One that is roughly 50' long, but rises up to 4.5' and is only 6-8" wide.  The last time I did it I rolled down the hill sideways (from about 4' up) and have bruises all over to show for it, so I was proud to clean it today. 

I think I hooked my coworker, so I have a riding buddy now.  He was doing quite well as I took him on some pretty advance intermediate trails and he walked a couple bridges but otherwise didn't complain. 

My local trail has a lot of skinnies and a lot of stunts.  Its fun to practise your balance.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 29 Jul 2012, 04:56 am
Skinnies are my kriptonite. I am currently overthinking it and have gotten worse  :evil:. I'd rather try and clear a 50' jump than ride an elevated skinny less than 12" wide. We have some wooden bridges and stunts at CO resorts but no real skinnies, except for maybe one short one at Keystone. There are also lots of epic rides in CO it would be nice to have that 26 lb FS 29er for too...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Jul 2012, 04:14 pm
Went out with a smaller group of riders organized by a local bike shop today.  The leader was big into doing the stunt work and seeing someone clean some gnarly stuff gave me inspiration.  I cleaned 3 that I've never been able to before (not high, just roller coaster and turns in them).  Did a huge log ride that was a good 5' in diameter and maybe 80' long.  Price of failure for that one was a little higher.   Did a few 2'-3' drops and lots and lots more skinnies....one nearly 100' long down a hill over a ravine.   Confidence inspiring day for me. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Jul 2012, 04:32 pm
To give you an idea of one of the trails we did, called Dr. Quads (for the serious pain in the quads from the climbs, or dr. quadripeligite if you fail) here is a youtube vid.  Unfortunately most all the stunts get modified often, so they are a bit different now then then.  For instance, the section around the 4 minute mark is way gnarlier now (didn't ride those, cause the price of failure was huge).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1JYn3YWjA

Here is the one that I probably wouldn't have done if I had thought about it first, but I was carrying some speed because I was going the other direction.   All these vids are in the wrong direction.   The right way requires you to climb a 140' of steep switchbacks and then you come down a narrow twisty trail into this section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhEwOskyZhE

Actually this one has the best demonstration of the section I rode today, same as I rode it in the right direction.... Otherwise boring, but the section for sec 40-130 has it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrxj2x5wCSk
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Jul 2012, 04:50 pm
This one....around 6.27 to 7.30 shows the fun stuff on our easier trail. 

http://youtu.be/IkA6VkkHDDk

Right at 7:15, you call see what they call the neck-breaker.  It doesn't look very hard in the photo, but they built it a bit higher (about 4' at the end) and extended it.   I did it the other way the first time (hard way) and that is the one I tumbled down the hill on.  Yesterday I cleared it the first time going the way it shows in the video.
 
At about 8:55, that one was shown to me today where to find it, its kinda hidden and the filmer cut the entry.  Its a blast cause its kinda steep, although you can't tell in the video.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Jul 2012, 10:12 pm
I respectfully refuse to do those jumps, skinnies, rollovers etc.  The price of making a mistake is just too high.  I don't recover fast anymore.  :)  Great job Josh.  It looks like you are definitely increasing your skills.  The power of the group!

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Jul 2012, 10:33 pm
I am finding skinnies a lot easier.   I don't do the ones more than 3 or 4' up for the reason of danger (usually unless they are wider), but I am pretty good at bailing if needed.   There are two tips that really helped me out a lot.  #1 always look 4' in front of your tire and *always* where you want to go and NEVER where you don't.   #2 take it with some speed, doesn't have to be super fast but going slow is death. 

If you think about it, can you ride 50' yellow line on a road going super super slow?  Some can but its a lot harder than riding with a bit of momentum.  Also another big key reason is with speed, you are much much more likely to be able to bunny hop off if you are veering off instead of endo'ing.  That makes bailing much easier and safer.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 29 Jul 2012, 11:58 pm
Great advice Josh.  I haven't dine skinnies for a while but the ones in the videos are about my speed.  Those crazy ones the guys in BC do are beyond my skill and danger level. 

I like those Toronto trails because they are all dirt and grass. In Colorado, there are too many rocks off the trail and I manage to find them when I crash.  My favorite biking was the downhill trails at KEystone Colorado.  Fast strip hills with lots of switchbacks. 

We had some nice trails around here a few years back.  Some skinnys, log jumps and decent technical single track but they ripped them out and installed yuppy friendly wide limestone trails.  I haven't been back since. You guys make me want to bust out my old mountainbike. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 30 Jul 2012, 12:01 am
There aren't many skinnies on my local trails, but when I do ride them it's always standing up with my weight toward the back.  Makes it very easy to manual off.

I've also switched back to riding flats recently.  I have a LOT more confidence on skinnies now than i did when riding clipped in  :D

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Jul 2012, 12:33 am
Yeah, Toronto's "hero dirt" and clay based dirt is a bit forgiving, although it is hard pack, it's not like landing on rocks.  NNJ was all rocks. 

I also put TwentySix flats and ride 5-10's when riding stunts.   I have no confidence when clipped in.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 30 Jul 2012, 12:45 am

I like those Toronto trails because they are all dirt and grass. In Colorado, there are too many rocks off the trail and I manage to find them when I crash.  My favorite biking was the downhill trails at KEystone Colorado.  Fast strip hills with lots of switchbacks. 
 

Keystone is awesome, although Winter Park is killing them for jump trails, they finished Rainmaker last year which is about 1k vertical and about 80 jumps ranging from 20-45 feet, all really well built. Keystone kills WP for tech and old-school DH style trails, although they put in some interesting wood features on Evenflow and East Forest/Sanitarium.

The corkscrew is wide as a sidewalk, but it's far enough up there to have some good pucker factor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFJAD6bSa8o

And the Helter switchback is sketchy, the sideslope and the switchback are much steeper than they appear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNZ0X9orC6o

None of the vids are mine, I can ride the switchback...  :green:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 30 Jul 2012, 12:50 am
To give you an idea of one of the trails we did, called Dr. Quads (for the serious pain in the quads from the climbs, or dr. quadripeligite if you fail) here is a youtube vid.  Unfortunately most all the stunts get modified often, so they are a bit different now then then.  For instance, the section around the 4 minute mark is way gnarlier now (didn't ride those, cause the price of failure was huge).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1JYn3YWjA

Here is the one that I probably wouldn't have done if I had thought about it first, but I was carrying some speed because I was going the other direction.   All these vids are in the wrong direction.   The right way requires you to climb a 140' of steep switchbacks and then you come down a narrow twisty trail into this section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhEwOskyZhE

Actually this one has the best demonstration of the section I rode today, same as I rode it in the right direction.... Otherwise boring, but the section for sec 40-130 has it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrxj2x5wCSk

Looks like fun, there isn't much wood on regular trails around here, they are all multi-use and the politics of trail building is way behind a lot of other places. Most land managers think any sort of stunt or jump belongs at a resort.

I did clear a 50' 12" wide skinny today, it was low but goes over a mine tailings pile which contains various toxins including mercury. If you fall off it's no big deal but you don't want to eat mud right there...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Jul 2012, 01:22 am
That corkscrew did make me pucker a bit...just watcing it.   I'd do it, cause its wide, but its pretty high.  On Dr. Quads today, we came across some that we didn't do, but had planks up the first 1/3 then a 6" skinny log 5' up over a 40' gap.....nope.   The fail mode on that isn't nice.

I ordered a dropper seat today.  We have some pretty steep and tight switchbacks that require you to get your whole body over the back tire while riding the brakes and even kicking the back around to switch.  Not nearly as rocky as those switchbacks you show, we have tons of roots, little rocks. 

We have one kinda sketchy spot call Doobatorium that goes down a pretty steep ledge, semi long, steep on either side and its is nothing but a huge field of roots.  I've done it a few times clean but you are concentrating pretty hard. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 30 Jul 2012, 01:33 am
I ordered a dropper seat today.

It's a game changer, I've had my RS Reverb for about 2 years now and couldn't imagine riding without it now. It's a much bigger upgrade than I could have imagined, I use it all the time, much more than if I had to stop. I carry my standard seatpost with me in the toolbag that stays in the car just in case there is a malfunction though.

Have you guys seem Mondraker / Fabian Barel's new Forward Geometry? I would like to try it... I already have a strong preference for a long top tube and wheelbase with a short stem.

http://vimeo.com/45760274
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Jul 2012, 01:53 am
If you want to talk about pucker factor.... watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr5FGOKY3RM&feature=related

That bike looks kinda interesting.   I really don't know a lot about geometry right now.  I just know my Giant TranceX handles really well and actually climbs better than the X-caliber HT. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: J-Pak on 30 Jul 2012, 04:08 pm
My preference for an AM bike is a coil shock (CCDB or Vivid Air would be ok), about 160mm travel, and a Fox 36/Lyric. A bike like the NomadC can be built under 30 lbs and there isn't too much difference in efficiency vs a Blur LT, but a bike with a coil shock and 36 fork is much, much more capable on the downhill. 3 of my friends got a NomadC/36 this year and they are all much faster both up and down the hill vs. what they were riding previously. 2 were on Intense Tracer VPs and one on a Transition girls' FR bike, forget which model.

The 29er thing is a personal preference, I like 26ers for AM but would love to have a light 29er for max efficiency and buff trails. However, I ride DH and expect my AM bike to be able to navigate the same kind of terrain and be able to jump well. This pretty much rules out 29ers and air shocks.

Thanks Dave, I don't actually do all AM riding, most of the riding is probably technical/advanced trail. But I do some AM when I am not riding with friends, but it would not comprise the majority of my riding, which is why I was looking for a bike with a bit more travel like the Stumpy FSRs while still remaining light enough for climbing or flats. I think 120-140 up front is about all I'd need for now. I plan to replace the wheels with whatever bike I get with some custom tubeless ones from a friend down south. I'll see if I can ride a Nomad (or carbon) next time SC is in town. My guess is they'll be out of my budget though.

My budget is under $3000 purchased in the off season (not factoring in the custom wheels), and I'll gladly take any savings below that to put towards vinyl :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 31 Jul 2012, 12:13 am
So I got my new wheels on my 29'er on there last night.  I dropped 1.85lbs of rotational weight for ~$750/shipped.   I consider that reasonable, especially considering the hubs that came stock are known to be crap.  My Bike is black with green accents, so green CK hubs adds a tiny bit of bling.   Went tubeless as I love my tubeless setup on my 26'er.   Dropped another .5lb on the thompson seatpost and WTB saddle.  I picked up an XTR crankset cheap second hand which i'll put on soon and a second hand but lightly used SRAM 990 cassette (the one that was on there was a beast).   So I didn't go crazy but am shedding a few lbs, maybe not 5, but that is all I cared for.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 31 Jul 2012, 01:44 am
Anyone have experience with a niner jet9?  How much abuse can the frame take?  How about small jumps and drops?  A used one came up for sale locally.   Not quite what I had in mind, but a lot cheaper than buying new.

Opinions appreciated on this.

2010 Jet 9, rp23 rear shock, fox float 100mm fork, tapered with 15mm
$1,100

vs.

2012 new jet or rip 9 with rockshox revelation forks. $1,700

I do all my own maintenance, so service from the shop with the new frame is not a factor
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 31 Jul 2012, 01:58 am
The wrong bike is still too expensive even if it is cheap.   Same with audio.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 31 Jul 2012, 02:24 am
Thanks Dave, I don't actually do all AM riding, most of the riding is probably technical/advanced trail. But I do some AM when I am not riding with friends, but it would not comprise the majority of my riding, which is why I was looking for a bike with a bit more travel like the Stumpy FSRs while still remaining light enough for climbing or flats. I think 120-140 up front is about all I'd need for now. I plan to replace the wheels with whatever bike I get with some custom tubeless ones from a friend down south. I'll see if I can ride a Nomad (or carbon) next time SC is in town. My guess is they'll be out of my budget though.

My budget is under $3000 purchased in the off season (not factoring in the custom wheels), and I'll gladly take any savings below that to put towards vinyl :icon_lol:

I hear you on price, I picked up my Trek Remedy right after x-mas '08 for a 40% discount. It was a basic model, but after a few years there's no stock parts left and I'm on my 2nd frame after a bad crash. Most bikes these days are very good and the geometry is converging to the point where there are mostly minor differences between brands so price was a major factor for me too.

If you're not going for a 6+" AM bike, I'd try to keep the bike as light as you can afford, as most mellower trails are more fun on a light and fast bike. If it's your only bike a burlier 150mm trail bike like a Trance X, Trek Remedy, etc... might be a good choice. Also, a fork with a 15 or 20mm thru axle is something I would look for, with 150mm travel. A bike like this can end up in the mid 20 lb range and would be my choice for an xc bike (or the equivilent 29er, would take me some test rides to figure it out). Although, I rode with a guy on a 20 lb carbon Niner hardtail last week, setup 1x10.... I would love a bike like that too...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 31 Jul 2012, 02:46 am
The wrong bike is still too expensive even if it is cheap.   Same with audio.

Yes, I agree.  Just wondering how much worse a xc fs could handle on rough rocky terrain than a hardtail like the yelli.

I would be saving enough with this to keep my yelli frame though for when i want to get some air  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 31 Jul 2012, 02:55 am
Me and my friend Mikex picked up our race packet and rode the Dark Horse 40 race course today.  Stewart State Forest single track is in great shape.  Stewart State Forest houses one of the best single track in upstate New York.  We had lots of fun there today.  Cheers!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202012/41127426.jpg)
Front

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202012/17f7267a.jpg)
Back

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202012/51a67f2a.jpg)
Out Post

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202012/a70505f3.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202012/7c3911f9.jpg)
Dark Horse Cycle

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Merlin/DarkHorse%2040%202012/a44bd5ba.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 31 Jul 2012, 03:03 am
Yes, I agree.  Just wondering how much worse a xc fs could handle on rough rocky terrain than a hardtail like the yelli.

I would be saving enough with this to keep my yelli frame though for when i want to get some air  :thumb:

Could be quite a bit worse... the Jet 9 takes a short xc fork and has a very steep HA. I rode a bike like it, the Intense Spider 29er, and while it was the best climbing bike I've ever rode, it was a little too twitchy for me overall. A friend of mine has a Yelli, and I have only pedaled it around a bit, but it had a 150mm fork and the geometry felt a lot more laid back vs a xc race bike. I'd be more comfortable on the Yelli vs a Jet 9 even without the rear sus.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 31 Jul 2012, 06:33 pm
You've got to be careful riding "stunts"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLN0uX0uw0&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLN0uX0uw0&feature=player_embedded#!)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 31 Jul 2012, 07:01 pm
Also helps to know how to use your brakes  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZdQeIZ5hWXo

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 1 Aug 2012, 03:39 pm
That last dude looked like he was falling asleep on the bike.  Looks pretty exhausted.  Wonder if that was an enduro race. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 1 Aug 2012, 03:55 pm
I went to buy the used Jet 9 and fork last night.  I had 30 minutes to kill, so I stopped by a bike store to see what they had.

There were several 2012 jet 9 and rip 9 frames for sale at closeout prices.  After a little negotiation, the deal on the rip 9 was just too good to pass up.  After tax, the price was still significantly lower than any I've seen online.  It also feels good to spend money locally, and the 2 year warranty is comforting.

I set a new record for myself last night also. I had the complete bike built up in less than 2 hours.  Everything from my yelli frame swapped over perfectly.  2 exceptions are that my chain was a little short and I now need a bottom pull derailleur, but the bike is rideable.

Initial impressions are that the rip is going to work well for me.   Not as nimble as the yelli, but much more comfortable.   It doesn’t manual or bunny hop as easily, but I haven’t had a chance to play with spacers under the stem or adjust the rear shock yet.  I bottomed out the shock jumping off an 8” ledge, so I know it doesn’t have near enough pressure.    Even with the shock this soft though, I was impressed with how little bob there was.  It pedals a lot better than my friends 08 26” stumpjumper fsr.

I have a ride planned today after work.  Can’t wait  :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Aug 2012, 01:18 am
Congrats on the new bike!   I took my 29'er out for a spin today.   I can definitely tell my fitness has improved very quickly in the last couple of weeks.   The 1.85lbs of rolling weight lost is definitely noticeable.   Tubeless is awesome too.  I just feels better in a hard to describe way (for me anyway). 

I still prefer riding the FS 26'er.  But its fun to ride the HT 29'er too.  Makes you a bit more honest on your lines (we have roots galore), but I don't like the way it handles in fast and tight corners.  Could be my lack of skillz, but the 26'er rails better. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 2 Aug 2012, 10:31 am
It's sometimes difficult for me to rail corners. I've been on dirtbikes most of my life, so I'm used to having a hand full of throttle at my disposal :lol:   I have switched back to flats though, so I can at least stick my inside foot out now when needed.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 2 Aug 2012, 01:22 pm
I use Shimano platform clip ins. They are for downhill and have a big platform and are easy to use when you are not clipped in.  They are heavy but not too bad.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Aug 2012, 03:33 pm
yeah I am mostly rocking flats these days given that I like to do skinnies and such and don't have confidence to bail as quickly as needed in clips.  There are only a couple time (<5%) on my rides where I wished I was clipped in.   510 shoes and TwentySix pedals is almost like being clipped in. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 2 Aug 2012, 06:25 pm
Yeah, i'm using 510 shoes and Canfield Crampon Ultimate pedals.  Actually have to lift my foot off the pedal in order to move it around.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 3 Aug 2012, 06:27 pm
Hi Guys:

We are moving from our wonderful back country home, and I mean back country, to suberbia. I sold my Can Am 800 Max XT last week and just put up a off road bike trailer on Pink Bike. You might find it interesting. It was built so we could take the bikes up unridden mountains. The move into town forces me to get rid of stuff. I don't know how we are going to shoe horn ourselves into an urban shack.

Pink Bike Ad: http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1149591/


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65989)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=65990)



Rocket_Sad_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: J-Pak on 3 Aug 2012, 07:41 pm
I hear you on price, I picked up my Trek Remedy right after x-mas '08 for a 40% discount. It was a basic model, but after a few years there's no stock parts left and I'm on my 2nd frame after a bad crash. Most bikes these days are very good and the geometry is converging to the point where there are mostly minor differences between brands so price was a major factor for me too.

If you're not going for a 6+" AM bike, I'd try to keep the bike as light as you can afford, as most mellower trails are more fun on a light and fast bike. If it's your only bike a burlier 150mm trail bike like a Trance X, Trek Remedy, etc... might be a good choice. Also, a fork with a 15 or 20mm thru axle is something I would look for, with 150mm travel. A bike like this can end up in the mid 20 lb range and would be my choice for an xc bike (or the equivilent 29er, would take me some test rides to figure it out). Although, I rode with a guy on a 20 lb carbon Niner hardtail last week, setup 1x10.... I would love a bike like that too...

My local LBS has a Yeti ASR-5 in medium they will demo, which is great since that's my size. Hopefully I will have a day this weekend where I can spend most of the day on the trail. Reviews make it sound like a fast, fun bike and the base model is in my price range. I'm not sure what the weight of this bike is, but my high side guess is around 27-29 lbs.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Aug 2012, 03:29 pm
That looks like a cool trailer. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Aug 2012, 03:39 pm
Dark Horse 40 Race is this Sunday.  http://www.darkhorse40.blogspot.com

It is time to get serious and start racing.  LOL!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 4 Aug 2012, 05:02 pm
My local LBS has a Yeti ASR-5 in medium they will demo, which is great since that's my size. Hopefully I will have a day this weekend where I can spend most of the day on the trail. Reviews make it sound like a fast, fun bike and the base model is in my price range. I'm not sure what the weight of this bike is, but my high side guess is around 27-29 lbs.

That's a nice bike, have fun!

@Rocket Ron, nice bike trailer (and bikes!). One of my friends just did the same thing except it's more an on-road trailer he can haul with his Hinda Fit.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Aug 2012, 10:16 pm
That is meant to be a hard ride.  Where is it held?  I knew a few people that always compete.  Far beyond my fitness level.   I just did 13km offroad today and am feeling it.   There isn't a lot of long climbs but there a *lots* of steep short climbs.   If you have strava...

http://app.strava.com/rides/16515687

This is not the fast flowy part, this is techy, some monstrous switchbacks and lots of manmade bridges and such. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Aug 2012, 02:54 pm
Anyone have a GoPro HD?  What program do you use to edit video footage?   I have one and took some footage but never played with editing before.   There is too much filler.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Aug 2012, 04:49 pm
Can you past embedded videos here?


guess not.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 5 Aug 2012, 05:13 pm
I am building up an old frame (1995 Kona Kula with Easton Elan tubeset).

I have purchased a bunch of goodies to get it up and running.

New parts:

FSA headset
ES51 BB
LX crankset with rings
8 speed SRAM cassette
8 speed KMC chain
rear derailleur jockey wheels
seatpost clamp
bolt on grips
derailleur cables
rear brake cable
cable housings
Easton EA30 stem

Bought used:

XTR rapidfire front and rear shifters
Tektro Auriga front hydraulic brakes - some issues, I may have to buy another set of front brakes
flat pedals - but I have NIB Wellgo clipless I will consider

Reusing from previous bikes:

Carbotech rigid carbon forks
Raceface bars
XTR rear der
XT front der
rear Avid V brakes and lever
Syncros seatpost
Scott saddle
front and rear wheels (front with a disc on it, rear V brake)
slicks to start with for road training

Should be fun!

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Aug 2012, 09:07 pm
very cool...Burlington isn't that far from me... if you ever want to meet up on a weekend and explore trails outside of our locals let me know.

Just finished upping a short vid of me doing a local stunt trail known as Dr. Quads  (for your "quads are burning" from the steep climbs in and Dr. Quadrapeligic for if you fall).  https://vimeo.com/46971649
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Aug 2012, 11:43 pm
This is called Fruitloop, two gnarly climbs in, one I am not even sure is doable.  Ends with a threesome of two footers.   I didn't add me walking up the climbs.  :oops:
https://vimeo.com/46981964
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: J-Pak on 6 Aug 2012, 09:22 pm
I spent most of Sunday riding the ASR-5, it was a fantastic bike and a lot of fun. I kept thinking back to the Santa Cruz's and their VPP which made for such a sweet ride.

I am leaning towards a Tallboy LT right now. One with Revelation RL 140 has special pricing discount with mostly SLX components, it is quite a significant discount (RAM29): Kit description (http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tallboylt/#kits.php) and costs (http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tallboylt/#pricing.php). And then maybe slowly upgrading components down the road. Does anyone know if LBS discount these bikes in the off season? I was told Yeti does not since they are kit bikes and built to order, I believe SC is the same. 

I have not ridden the Revelation RL 140. The demo I rode had a Float 34 140 FIT. What would be the big differences between these two forks? The Rock Shox is actually a tiny bit lighter than the Fox.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 7 Aug 2012, 12:30 am
Here's what replaced my yelli screamy. Really like it so far except for the weight which is 31-32 pounds.  Ordered a lighter set of tires today.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=66158)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 7 Aug 2012, 02:20 am
I spent most of Sunday riding the ASR-5, it was a fantastic bike and a lot of fun. I kept thinking back to the Santa Cruz's and their VPP which made for such a sweet ride.

I am leaning towards a Tallboy LT right now. One with Revelation RL 140 has special pricing discount with mostly SLX components, it is quite a significant discount (RAM29): Kit description (http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tallboylt/#kits.php) and costs (http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tallboylt/#pricing.php). And then maybe slowly upgrading components down the road. Does anyone know if LBS discount these bikes in the off season? I was told Yeti does not since they are kit bikes and built to order, I believe SC is the same. 

I have not ridden the Revelation RL 140. The demo I rode had a Float 34 140 FIT. What would be the big differences between these two forks? The Rock Shox is actually a tiny bit lighter than the Fox.

My friend has the Rev 140 on his Yelli, then changed it to a Kona FS 29er recently. He really likes it, more than Fox air forks. I hear the same from my a friend's bike shop, that shorter travel RS air forks are kicking butt.

Looks like a good deal on the Tallboys!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Aug 2012, 04:37 pm
So yesterday I went out to the main trail and was riding some of the stunts while filming with my GoPro (I like to share with family).  I cleaned most of the stuff except a few.  I did a 4' drop to flat on the "neck breaker" when I started to loose balance.  That didn't hurt, just got a little dirty.   Did another skiiny too quickly and hit a nearby tree with some minor scraps, didn't hurt.

But I tried to go up a ladder that is really meant for the down direction, which I do all the time.  I've never made it up yet, but typically I can put a foot down and then walk up the rest.  This time I missed and fell 3-4' to hard dirt and managed to hurt my shoulder in the process.   I guess doing all this pretty hung over wasn't a good idea. 

I'll post some of the clips later, it was funny, even though it hurt.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 7 Aug 2012, 05:45 pm
So yesterday I went out to the main trail and was riding some of the stunts while filming with my GoPro (I like to share with family).  I cleaned most of the stuff except a few.  I did a 4' drop to flat on the "neck breaker" when I started to loose balance.  That didn't hurt, just got a little dirty.   Did another skiiny too quickly and hit a nearby tree with some minor scraps, didn't hurt.

But I tried to go up a ladder that is really meant for the down direction, which I do all the time.  I've never made it up yet, but typically I can put a foot down and then walk up the rest.  This time I missed and fell 3-4' to hard dirt and managed to hurt my shoulder in the process.   I guess doing all this pretty hung over wasn't a good idea. 

I'll post some of the clips later, it was funny, even though it hurt.

I’ve had off days like that.  A couple months ago my friend had a “riding” birthday party.  He has a mx track with jumps and a 2.5 mile cross country track at his house.

I almost never wreck, but that day I laid my Honda CR125 dirt bike over twice, rolled a Polaris RZR, and then had a pretty bad wreck on my Honda 450r 4wheeler where I ended up face down on the ground with it upside down on my back. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 Aug 2012, 11:48 pm
A new toy...  :icon_lol:  local guy was selling it dirt cheap (pun?) and I have wanted a bike that I could practice manuals, and other stunts on, that is easier to feel than FS.  Plus we have a pump track/DJ track next to our single track.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=66195)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 8 Aug 2012, 12:10 am

Looks like fun. Nice shape too.

So what is your age - aprox.- doing all this bike, trick, stuff.

I am turning 30 this year because ever since I turned 40 I started counting backwards.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 12:17 am
I'll be 37 this summer.  When I was a kid I lived next to one of the national BMX tracks in Sumner, WA and did a lot of freestyle (broken arm, a few stitches, nothing too major).
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 8 Aug 2012, 12:19 am

A young pup. Good to see. Not as young as me though, although I can't manual a bike.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 12:30 am
Can't really say I can either...for any length of time that is....I can ride a wheelie so-so.  That is the point, to get a bike that I could practice that on.   I want to learn to do a zap-tap cleanly....I can sorta, but they look terrible.  I want to learn pedal kicks.  I'm sure I'll go to the jump track, but I can't see myself getting serious at that.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 8 Aug 2012, 12:37 am
I'll be 37 this summer.  When I was a kid I lived next to one of the national BMX tracks in Sumner, WA and did a lot of freestyle (broken arm, a few stitches, nothing too major).

Nice dj bike! I'm turning 38 this fall...  :evil:

I can't wheelie or manual too well, but I'm not disciplined enough to practice much. I can ride a wheelie for a few pedal strokes and manual for a short distance. Gotta get my bunny hops down better too.

If you guys haven't seen the video "Fluidride: Like a Pro", it's well worth checking out, great skills vid. Has some material on jumping you won't find elsewhere, I'm working on counterdirectional steering off jumps (moto whip and hip jumps). I think I need a lesson though, going to check out WP's top level lessons this year... 

http://fluidride.com/fluidride-like-a-pro/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 12:56 am
Thanks for the tip.   Zap-taps are top on my list as they are a real MTB skill you can use everywhere.   Just in case others aren't familiar, they are in the vein of a bunny hop, but different in useage of a pedal kick.   Say you are coming up to a big log, big enough that your chain ring won't clear it without bashing.   Most just bash, but a real quality stunt is to Zap-tap.

The idea is you pedal stroke to bring the front tire up on-top the log (not over) and then you pedal kick and un-weight the back, so it naturally jumps the back over the log without bashing.   It has to be done quick in a fluid motion.  Its hard. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 12:58 am
The guy who sold me my TranceX did a zap-tap tutorial vid...but you can't really see his feet, as his pedal kicks are very subtle.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2012, 02:05 am
26 here

I've been on dirt bikes most of my life.  80 foot jumps are commonplace on those.  Manuals, bunny hops, skinnies, fast downhills, and jumps on mountain bikes are my idea of slowing down  :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 02:14 am
26 here

I've been on dirt bikes most of my life.  80 foot jumps are commonplace on those.  Manuals, bunny hops, skinnies, fast downhills, and jumps on mountain bikes are my idea of slowing down  :lol:
  Sounds like someone I want to ride with, along with Dave!   Never done an 80' that I can think of...been a long time since I've jumped seriously.    Just small drops here and there.   We have a 6' drop on our trail, haven't done it but scoped it out a few times...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2012, 02:24 am
This is the biggest jump i've hit on a mountain bike.  Did it on my yelli screamy, but I didn't have a cam at the time though. I think the gap is less than 30 feet, but there is no room for error.  If you come up short, you basically crash into a 6' vertical wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4SxOh4kqmM&feature=autoplay&list=UU7LhFX15YLLy9stY83WuQ2w&playnext=4

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 02:28 am
That is a minimum speed, min trajectory hit....no less than fully committing.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 02:32 am
I have never felt good jumping my 29'er....it just doesn't feel right.  Even with a 26'er, it is less than familiar, but it is very doable.  I really don't think I like my 29'er and am thinking of selling it. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2012, 02:33 am
Yeah, and it's built with no lip because there's a turn not far after and it's easy to over jump on dirtbikes.  We did a few test runs leading up to it, and then my friend who is just a little crazy decided to go for it.  He cleared it, with the rear wheel about 6" from the top of the landing.

After he made it, i decided to give it a try and thankfully cleared the gap.   Not long after my friend wrecked on a different jump and broke his arm, so we haven't had a chance to get any of our bigger jumps on video.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2012, 02:35 am
I have never felt good jumping my 29'er....it just doesn't feel right.  Even with a 26'er, it is less than familiar, but it is very doable.  I really don't think I like my 29'er and am thinking of selling it.

The Yelli Screamy feels very natural in the air, especially if you drop the seat low.   I'm used to 200 pound dirt bikes, so maybe 29ers don't bother me as much as most people.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 02:37 am
I'm sure its a matter of getting used to, but my GF X-cal, which is somewhat similar, although maybe not quite as agressive geometry just feels off for me.   For some that might be ok, but not to me.   It just feels too big...

Jumping a FS bike is another thing that takes getting use to, as it zaps all your pre-jump.  You have to preload which is a whole other concept.  That is why I got the DJ'er. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 8 Aug 2012, 05:10 am
The Yelli Screamy feels very natural in the air, especially if you drop the seat low.   I'm used to 200 pound dirt bikes, so maybe 29ers don't bother me as much as most people.

Yeah, there's a guy around here who is a pro moto rider and I've seen him do some crazy stuff on a 5" travel 29er. He can also lunge it up onto a 4' tall rock, trials style. I'd like to get a moto someday.

Winter Park has one large table with a long landing marked at 35, 45, and 55 feet. I usually come down somewhere between 45 and 55 mark. That run has about 1200' vertical and 80 jumps. I just got my jump technique down to the point I'm not dead sailoring every time, jumping takes a LOT of practice...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm
Want to see a good crash?
http://vimeo.com/47135442
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 8 Aug 2012, 12:16 pm
Here is the video I eluded to earlier with the guy who sold me to TranceX giving a demo of doing a zap-tap.

http://vimeo.com/14865786
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2012, 12:49 pm
Want to see a good crash?
http://vimeo.com/47135442

A friend of mine did something similar off the end of a teeter totter not long ago.  He landed in some soft moss, so i just laughed at him  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 8 Aug 2012, 01:14 pm
Congrats on a new DJ bike Josh! 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 10 Aug 2012, 02:06 am
A friend of mine did something similar off the end of a teeter totter not long ago.  He landed in some soft moss, so i just laughed at him  :icon_twisted:

That one hurt...my shoulder suffered some damage...same one I did in when skiing as a kid (~20yo).   Have to go to the doc to see if it is minor or major.    Still hurts quite a bit to do macro movements some 4 days later.

But I still like to laugh at myself.   That was a stupid stunt and yes I should have expected to fall.   Still I am ballsy enough to risk it, so I have to accept the pain with a no-go.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 11 Aug 2012, 01:23 am
Stay tuned....I pulled the trigger on my dream build...  May thin the herd, but this build will not be cheap.   I don't really care though, its a healthy hobby.   At least when I am not falling off 4' bridges that is...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 11 Aug 2012, 02:05 am
Always fun picking up a new ride, hope the healing goes well!

I am still receiving parts for my build, it is coming together well, looking forward to getting back in the saddle.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 11 Aug 2012, 02:16 am
Which would you choose between the two, if price isn't a major decision?

Formula RXO brakes with tool free reach adjustment, 180mm Front Rotor, 160mm Rear Rotor
Magura RT8

I'd get the RT8s at a discount, but still a bit more.   I asked for the Magura Marta SLs based on reviews, but they didn't have them so they offered the RT8s for similar price.   I am more of a light AM rider then XC.    I don't have access to many downhill runs, Ontario is flat, but it is a bunch of  small steep up/downs.  I do drops, I do balls out.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: chip on 12 Aug 2012, 12:24 am
A new toy...  :icon_lol:  local guy was selling it dirt cheap (pun?) and I have wanted a bike that I could practice manuals, and other stunts on, that is easier to feel than FS.  Plus we have a pump track/DJ track next to our single track.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=66195)

What bike it this?

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 12 Aug 2012, 12:37 am
Which would you choose between the two, if price isn't a major decision?

Formula RXO brakes with tool free reach adjustment, 180mm Front Rotor, 160mm Rear Rotor
Magura RT8

I'd get the RT8s at a discount, but still a bit more.   I asked for the Magura Marta SLs based on reviews, but they didn't have them so they offered the RT8s for similar price.   I am more of a light AM rider then XC.    I don't have access to many downhill runs, Ontario is flat, but it is a bunch of  small steep up/downs.  I do drops, I do balls out.

I've had Magura Gustavs and Louise FR (long ago), both great brakes and Magura CS is great, if you need anything you'll have it in 3 days if you call them. No questions, they just ship you whatever you need... I even told them I got my Gustavs from a friend and they were a few seasons old, they covered me under warranty anyway.

I have never owned Formulas but several friends do and they like them. My only gripe w/ Formula is the brake line routing to the outside of the caliper using a non-custom hose end. If you compare it to Avid's solution on the Elixirs the Formulas look primitive by comparison, and one friend did break off the line at the caliper because of it.

I'm using Elixir CRs on both my bikes, they are pretty good. Very similar design vs Formula.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Aug 2012, 05:27 am
What bike it this?



That is the dirt jumper I picked up for pocket change (relatively speaking).  Specialized P3.  The thing about DJ'ers are they are heavy, so it was a bit of a shock to pick it up.  The fork is a brick. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Aug 2012, 05:49 am
I put the deposit down on the "dream-yet-to-be-revealed" bike, everything gets ordered up on Monday.  I was told that I could be riding by next weekend, if not the following at the latest. 

I went ahead with the Magura MT8s cause they are well reviewed (some were pushing for XTR, but most thought the Maguras were tops too) and the bike shop gave me the MT8s for the price of the MT6s.  (same internals, just the carbon levers). 

I got an XT group on this bike, except that I got the XTR Shadow+ rear derailleur, again they threw that in no charge, same as the XT group set.  The idea was light enough but durable.  The Shadow plus is suppose to be a near game changer on an AM bike.  One of the bike shop boys peaked at my build and out of all the crazy stuff I had, he was like, "right on for going for the Shadow+!" 

The RS Reverb is going on this bike. 

That is all I am revealing for now.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 14 Aug 2012, 01:34 am
First ride on my new tires today. I couldn't believe the difference. It was like my bike had a motor  :lol:   For the trail I rode today, there was still more than enough traction  I'll have to wait for the weekend for a true test.

Tubeless on flow rims with DT hubs

Previous:
Front - Panracer Rampage 2.35
Rear - Maxxis Ardent 2.4 EXO

New:
Front - Maxxis Ignitor 2.1 EXO
Rear - Maxxis Ikon 2.2 EXO
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 14 Aug 2012, 04:50 pm
Tires seem to make a pretty big difference.  Tubeless does too. 

Our local "the Don" is a hard clay based mud.   Racing ralphs work awesome when it is dry and nothing works when it is wet. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 19 Aug 2012, 10:58 pm
Just got word, my wheel are holding my build up by a few weeks.   Turns out the distributor didn't have them in stock.  Anticipation continues. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 20 Aug 2012, 12:29 am
Are you going to hold us hostage for months?  Come on, please spill the beans.  What bike did you get?  It's killing me.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 20 Aug 2012, 11:12 am
Well I release part of it...  I am building up an IBIS SL-R with XT and the Shadow+ RD. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 20 Aug 2012, 11:14 am
Doh!  Sorry, I just remembered.  Very cool bike. Can't wait to see pix.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 20 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm
I've always had FOX, but have been reading a lot of buzz about RockShox of late, so I decided to try out a Revelation and see what I think.  Lots of buzz about X-fusion, but too few data points, so I decided to be conservative.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 20 Aug 2012, 12:29 pm
Not mine, just the ad copy...

(http://www.ibiscycles.com/images/uploads/bikeGallery/2011331-IBIS-8918.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 20 Aug 2012, 12:55 pm
Beautiful bike!!!

Rockshox is now owned by SRAM and they make solid stuff. I'm a fan of Fox as well and don't think you can go wrong with either. Lookin forward to pix of the actual bike soon.

Cheers

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Aug 2012, 12:30 pm
Me and my son visited Industry Nine factory in Ashville, NC.  Even though they are so busy, Dave gave us the tour of their factory.  They are one of the most friendliest people in this planet.  :)

New Industry Nine signage
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/file-25.jpg)

My new wheelset  ;D  (just kidding)
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Bearings!
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Ready for anodizing

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Prawls mechanism

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New Stealth hubs

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Finished products
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Bemopti123 on 22 Aug 2012, 02:53 pm
I have had no idea that Industry Nine's factory, workshop were in NC.  Wow.  I have seen their wheels advertised here and there and had nothing but admiration for their design and reviews.  Good visit Levi! 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Aug 2012, 03:27 pm
Thanks Paul!  It is a small company but they do everything in house.  Made in USA!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Bemopti123 on 22 Aug 2012, 06:56 pm
America still makes the best.  No doubt about it.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 22 Aug 2012, 08:18 pm
Nice ride Josh!

My Kula build is coming along.  Ran into some issues with the old M900 xtr rear der.  Picked up a used M952.  That spawned a 9 speed cassette and chain purchase. 

Getting there.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Aug 2012, 12:30 am
Like!  :thumb:

America still makes the best.  No doubt about it.   :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Travels/file-44.jpg)
Anodized bottle opener
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 23 Aug 2012, 01:28 pm
Awesome looking openers!

Some good deals on Lynskey 29ers!  http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/m390-complete.html

I want that bike!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 23 Aug 2012, 02:10 pm
Thanks!  Lynskey knows how to make Ti29er.  That M390 could make for a great "retirement" bike.  ;-)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 4 Sep 2012, 02:05 am
This past weekend I completed the bike project I have been working on for the past month or so.

I bought a 1995 Kona Kula off a neighbor for $50.  I know that it had been abused, but there were some good parts on it, and the frame was solid (if scratched up).

I set to work combing eBay, Jensen USA, Pinkbike and Kijiji for the parts I would need to build it up for getting back to riding.  I intend to use it for road training initially, and if I get back into it, I will buy a serious offroad rig.

I spent a total of $550 on the bike.  Some of the parts are used, but many were new.

Frame - Easton aluminum Elan tubset
Fork - Axima carbon rigid
Front wheel - Sun Rim with Avid rotor
Front brake - Avid BB5 with Avid lever
Front der - XT
Front shifter - XTR (900 vintage)
Seatpost - Syncros
Saddle - an old Scott
Rear der - XTR (952 vintage)
Rear shifter - XTR (952 vintage)
Rear brake - Avid V with Avid lever
Rear wheel - XT hub, Mavic rim, XT 9 speed cassette
Chain - XT 9 speed
Stem - Easton EA30
Bar - Bontrager XXX carbon
Cranks - LX with LX Octalink BB
Pedals - Wellgo M9 clipless (though the pic below still has the Wellgo flats on it)
Cables and housing - Jagwire outers, with teflon coated inners - all new for both brakes and der's

All in a 24lb ride.  I had some fun stripping off most of the original decals, and applied a few for fun - I added a 4 leaf clover to the headtube (had to do something that worked with that colour paint!), a Pinkbike sticker, and I had my online handle done up in gold for the downtube (mcgsxr).

Went out today for a 10 mile break in ride, it was good to be out there again!

Here's a pic of the Kona restomod.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=67209)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Sep 2012, 03:53 am
Bike looks new!  Good job on the build specially with the front disc update.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Sep 2012, 09:35 pm
Just did a 19km offroad ride yesterday at a new place to me, Mohawk Forest next to Halton Hills in Milton, Ontario.   My fitness is still pretty mediocre at best but I am building my base over the last couple months as I've been riding frequently.   This ride was in one word rocky!   More rocky than Jungle Habitat.  I've never seen so many rock gardens, big "rock overs" and sporadic rocks thrown in on otherwise dirt trails.   There was very little climbing overall but my legs feel like I climbed a few thousand feet. 

It was a great set of trails and very technically challenging!   Lots of features, mostly involving rocks and the occasional skinny or ladder.  Felt 3 times harder than riding the faster flow-ier backyard trails. 

P.S.  this was a tour of Mohawk by two of three of the trail builders, all in their 50's and 60's who could throw it down.   We had 13 riders in all and only two hardtails (I think both 29'ers).  Couple of FS 29'ers and the rest of us with 5-6" FS 26ers.   
I mentioned there was little climbing, which is true for the kms we did, but that said there were a couple of climbs that are easily the hardest climbs I've ever come across.   Doing a 2' step up at the top of a very steep climb is darn impossible, but to do successive ones made me have to hike a bike.  The trail builder Peter says he has only cleaned it once, 12 years ago.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 4 Sep 2012, 10:47 pm
Josh, you should consider Kelso in Milton if you have not tried it, it is fun.  Pay to play, but some good trails.

Also there are some near Erin Mills in Mississauga that my friends hit 2-3 times a week (free).

Have fun out there.  I am still getting legs again, was out for 12KM yesterday. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm
Yeah I definitely want to try out Kelso.  I've heard of a couple dozen places outside of the city, but as of yet, I haven't even found all the trails in the don yet.   Most but not all. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 5 Sep 2012, 02:19 pm
Here's a quick slow motion vid we made a couple weeks ago.  Check out the suspension compression  :o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJpdlhg9d84

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 5 Sep 2012, 02:25 pm
Thanks Coke, you have some cool videos posted! 

I found this one and it makes me want to find some cool trails...not possible around here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uslwIp48Bw&feature=related

Also, check out the cool stuff these guys are doing on hard-tail bikes back in the 90's.  Does anyone remember Shawn Palmer?  No rear suspension (on the DS runs), no disc brakes, no helmet on the practice runs.  These were fun days of mountain biking. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI4e7REs-5Y
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Sep 2012, 03:08 pm
Those are great videos. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Sep 2012, 12:43 pm
Hey Dave,

Are you using your burly AM rig for park riding, or do you have a purpose DH sled?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 12 Sep 2012, 04:16 pm

That's one fast little dog. Must be in awesome shape. Our dogs would chase deer instead of riders. Now they will get fat in an urban setting.

The trail reminds me of Baseline where we just moved from. We were 25 minutes away from the mountain. Now it's 2 and 1/2 hours away. Sniff.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 12 Sep 2012, 04:25 pm
Hey Dave,

Are you using your burly AM rig for park riding, or do you have a purpose DH sled?

I have a Session 88 for DH, my AM bike can ride most anything, but the DH bike is a lot more fun and doesn't tire you out as quick. There are some shuttle trails around where a DH bike is really nice to have too.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 12 Sep 2012, 04:26 pm
Looking forward to SRAM XX1 for my AM bike...

http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Ridden-SRAMs-XX1-Drivetrain-Simply-Incredible,4220/Slideshow,0/bturman,109

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Sep 2012, 07:03 pm
I am having Steve build me some wheels with Canfield's 9T hub for the DH rig I am building.   Same sort of concept.  Use a 28T up front to acheive a pretty decent ratio with just one chainring.   Also a lot of clearance. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 12 Sep 2012, 07:21 pm
Wow that is a cool new development.  I have been out of bikes for over a decade, so when I recently rebuilt an old frame, I discovered all this talk of single front chainring designs etc.

Looks very interesting, I wonder when it will trickle down past the 5K bikes?  2 years?

Do the ranges you end up with, still work for XC riding, or do you need ridiculous legs and lungs to get uphill with those 1x9 or 1x10 designs?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 12 Sep 2012, 07:31 pm
Since it's a 10 speed, and they probably have a really big (pie plate sized) big ring on the cassette, they can dispense of the front DR.  It's similar to how SRAM can provide wide range gearing on their road bikes and not need a triple.  If the jumps between gears are not too bad, and the bail out gear on the rear cassette is big enough, it's an awesome idea.  No front DR and no cross chain issues. 

This is a logical extension.  They went from triples to doubles (cranksets) and now a single!  I'm sure they are adjusting the price upward to make up for lost sales of front DR's, chain rings and front shifters, because they will no longer be necessary with the new system.  I wish they did this for road bikes!  They are getting close but not there yet, as far as i know. 

 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 12 Sep 2012, 07:54 pm
The XX1 group is going to be $1500 and you need to run every part for it to work... but it'll drop considerable weight off the bike and does not require a chainguide, which is huge because guides suck.

I'm looking at getting my AM bike back down below 30 lbs for next season, going to do some Super D racing. It's at 32 but I think I can hit ~28.5 with the XX1 group, an air shock and lighter bars/stem. My bike is also currently 1x10 (32 x 11-36) and it makes steep sustained climbs impossible, but at that gearing I can walk up the hill as fast anyway and I don't love to climb anyway.

Josh, what dh bike? Jedi?

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 12 Sep 2012, 08:01 pm
Thanks for the insights.

When you say the group is $1500, do you mean the chain, der, cassette, hub body thing, and shifter - you mean all the stuff to get that 1x10 to work properly. 

You don't mean a grupo for $1500.

So, tack on somewhere around $1300 more for a bike with it, since they would be deleting a few parts, and then upcharging the difference for the 1x10.

I wonder what the light XC bikes will end up at then?  There are already 4-5 inch full suspension Scott's at 22lbs or so as I recall, so those could get really light.

But, for those of us swimming in the 2K bike budget, this is just info for a couple of years I am guessing.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Sep 2012, 08:50 pm
I am building up a light DH bike around The One, with Boxxer and CCDBC.   I make my first trip to Blue mountain on Sunday with a local mountain bike club.   I'll be renting though as it won't be built by then.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 12 Sep 2012, 09:03 pm
I'm guessing you get the crankset, BB, right shifter (there is no left shifter), rear DR and brake levers.  The cassette is probably not included and probably very expensive.  Have you seen the prices of new cassettes from SRAM?  The new XG cassette is almost $400!

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/product-components/2012-sram-xg-1099-xx-cassette-6375.1735.0.html

I also bet the rear DR is going to be priced in the SRAM Red (the new Red) territory around $360. 

The high end Truvative Freeride crankset/bottom bracket 1x10 setup is around $700. 

The high end stuff is really getting crazy expensive.  One or two levels down is usually the sweet spot.  My numbers are just guesses because I haven't seen any prices for the new SRAM MTB 1x10 group. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 12 Sep 2012, 09:18 pm
Check out the 10 Speed Microdrive and Chain Guide package.   Not dirt cheap but more cost effective then SRAM's XX1.  $469 for the hub, convertion kit, microguide.   Still need a $60 chainring and a cassette.   Does not include the RD, which you can use whatever.  The SRAM XX1's RD looks pretty killer, but not at that price.

http://www.canfieldbrothers.com/store/shop-components
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Sep 2012, 01:39 am
So I am going out to Washington the second week of October.  My sister is having our family's first baby.   It will be my first vacation, and I plan to get a bunch of riding in too.   My folks live in Chelan Washington way up in the mountains.    Their are hundreds of miles of snowmobile tracks which are anything but technical, but massive amounts of climbing.  There is a fairly nearby track of single trails which is meant to be modest climbing but not very techy, which kinda bores me. 

On the way over to my sis's we are going to stop off at Mission Ridge/Devil's Gulch and get shuttled to the top.  My dad has agreed to ride it with me.  We will rent.   Its about a 4K' drop over 11 miles but with 1000' of climbing also.   Meant to be a good XC ride mostly DH.    Then I am meeting up with a HS friend who lives in Rode Island now, but happens to be in Washington the same week and is a fanatic MTB'r.  We are going to do Duthie Hills together (look it up) its a XC set of trails with some epic FR trails built into it as well.    Then I will visit my sister in Washougal, WA, which is near Portland, OR and was thinking of hitting up the freeride park they have about 45 mins away. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: J-Pak on 18 Sep 2012, 04:23 am
Anyone here ridden any 650B bikes?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 18 Sep 2012, 02:33 pm
Looking forward to SRAM XX1 for my AM bike...

http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Ridden-SRAMs-XX1-Drivetrain-Simply-Incredible,4220/Slideshow,0/bturman,109

I'll be getting this too.  I've been running 1x9 for years now and will be around 18lbs on my new bike with XX1.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 20 Sep 2012, 12:29 am
The XX1 looks great.  I am planning to rock the Canfield 9T, but it doesn't have the rear D tech that XX1 has.  I was just not wanting to drop that kind of cash on the setup.  Even though I paid enough for the rest of my bikes. 

Canfield One frame is suppose to come tomorrow.   Got some of the other parts already.  Chomping at the bit, but not likely to build it up before the end of lift season here.  Meanwhile, I should hear any minute whether my IBIS is down.  That will be my regular bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 21 Sep 2012, 04:37 pm
I pick up my Canfield frame tomorrow from Fedex.   I got my Boxxer, X9 crankset, Deity bars already and many of the other parts are trickling in.

Anyone whose built up a bike from scratch (particularly DH) got any tips?   I watched some youtube  videos and I have the blue book.  Just thought since I've never built a bike before I'd ask for tips.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 21 Sep 2012, 05:25 pm
It's good to ensure that you have all the tools you need and also that all your parts are compatible ahead of time.  I completed my last couple builds in around 2 to 3 hours, but that was because everything went together as it should.

A nice stand is well worth the money if you don't have one.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Sep 2012, 01:26 am
Anyone knows how to set the new FOX FIT CTD w/trail adjust.  Ha ha ha.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Fox%20Racing%20Shox/file-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 28 Sep 2012, 02:48 am
from what I've read, its set to trail and leave it. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Sep 2012, 02:55 am
CTD (Climb, Trail, Descend)...it does not get easier than that.  Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Sep 2012, 02:22 pm
Did my first ever lift access downhill riding yesterday.   Went up to Blue Mountain with a local MTB club.  Had a serious blast.   

At first, I felt a bit sketchy with the bike handling.  It was miles different than what I was use to, but by my 2nd or third run I was feelin it. 

Blue mountain isn't a super serious bike park.  Its more of a hill than a mountain, but there is still some good runs with plenty of steep rooty sections, loose shale, rocky bits and some features. 

A few years back, some got injured on a drop and sued, so they took out all the drops, well most of them anyway.   Pretty much everything could be rolled, but you can drop them with some speed.  There is one feature that rides up a bermed wall and has about a 4-5' drop.   I did that.

I rented a Rocky Mountain something or other.  It was monstrously heavy. 

I even rode the "expert trail" called shot glass that is notorious for its steep rooty sections back to back.   That was a bit sketchy as you have no braking control what-so-ever, so you just try to aim straight and not clip the narrow trees.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Sep 2012, 03:11 pm
Just learned that this place is right near me.

http://www.joyride150.com/media/video-clips
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 1 Oct 2012, 03:42 am
Did my first ever lift access downhill riding yesterday.   Went up to Blue Mountain with a local MTB club.  Had a serious blast.   

At first, I felt a bit sketchy with the bike handling.  It was miles different than what I was use to, but by my 2nd or third run I was feelin it. 

Blue mountain isn't a super serious bike park.  Its more of a hill than a mountain, but there is still some good runs with plenty of steep rooty sections, loose shale, rocky bits and some features. 

A few years back, some got injured on a drop and sued, so they took out all the drops, well most of them anyway.   Pretty much everything could be rolled, but you can drop them with some speed.  There is one feature that rides up a bermed wall and has about a 4-5' drop.   I did that.

I rented a Rocky Mountain something or other.  It was monstrously heavy. 

I even rode the "expert trail" called shot glass that is notorious for its steep rooty sections back to back.   That was a bit sketchy as you have no braking control what-so-ever, so you just try to aim straight and not clip the narrow trees.

Cool, DH is addictive! It will also make you a much faster trail rider...  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Oct 2012, 01:41 pm
Got the call yesterday.  New bike is available for pickup tonight.  Pretty stoked.d
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Oct 2012, 01:57 pm
Nice!  That took awhile. At least you can still use it before it iced up. Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 2 Oct 2012, 02:00 pm
+ the heavier you are...the faster you go down the hill. 

Cool, DH is addictive! It will also make you a much faster trail rider...  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 2 Oct 2012, 02:43 pm
My DH experience is a sum total of 1 day, so take this for what its worth, but I do think DH riding greatly improves your technical riding skills, at least in the downhill portion.

I've never ridden a trail as rooty as some of the ones we rode Saturday.  And I was bombing over it, learning to relax and trust the bike will absorb it.  Now my trail bike doesn't have as much suspension, but the trust and relaxing is the same skill.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 3 Oct 2012, 01:59 pm
Pictures coming soon, didn't have a chance to take any last night.  Picked it up and rode it home last night.  Serious new bike stoke.  Looks so bad ass and crazy light for the amount of travel.

Build list:
Rock Shox Revelation with carbon steerer.
ENVE AM wheelset with Chris King hubs
CK headset
ENVE bars
XT drivetrain with XT Shadow+ RD
Conti TK 2.4 UST front MK 2.4 UST rear
WTB saddle
Magura MT8 brakes
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 3 Oct 2012, 02:10 pm
Sweet build!  You skipped a months mortgage?  Ha ha ha.  I like the Enve wheelset.  I am using Enve Seatpost.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 3 Oct 2012, 02:20 pm
Yeah, super spendy, ~9 large.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 3 Oct 2012, 02:24 pm
I'm dying to see this bike!  It's been fun watching Josh jump into the deep end of the cycling "pool"!  You don't mess around. 

Best of luck with the new ride.  Hopefully you saved a few bucks for a camera so we can all see those cool trails you are riding in Canuck-Land!

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 3 Oct 2012, 03:43 pm
Thanks Jackman,  I posted up some GoPro footage on vimeo.  That is my only view of the trails.  I have a small camera that isn't working at the moment. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Oct 2012, 01:28 pm
Maiden voyage last night.  Man does this bike ride sweet.   Its crazy light and responsive.    First time night riding too.  Its a whole different experience riding in a pitch black forest with lights.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 4 Oct 2012, 01:38 pm

Maybe I missed it, but what does it weigh in at? My guess would be 24 lbs. Must be nice.

My Specialized Enduro weighs in at around 31 lbs and it's a blast. I don't cross country race with it, but I can go anywhere, esp. the steeps. Got to love the 67 degree head angle for that. Also love the chain roller to eliminate chain slap when downhilling.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 4 Oct 2012, 01:44 pm
Josh, you heard it before. No pictures therefore it does not exist. \(^o^)/
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 4 Oct 2012, 01:55 pm
Maiden voyage last night.  Man does this bike ride sweet.   Its crazy light and responsive.    First time night riding too.  Its a whole different experience riding in a pitch black forest with lights.

I love night riding.  It can make a boring trail you've ridden 100 times feel like something new.  I also feel more relaxed at night and there's a lot more wildlife.

I've found it's best to use a light with a narrow beam on your helmet and a floody light on the bars. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Oct 2012, 06:20 pm
And in this corner, weighing in at a svelte 26lbs.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68878)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 5 Oct 2012, 07:06 pm
Nice. Very nice. There's nothing wrong with that bike.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 5 Oct 2012, 08:34 pm
 
8)

So is that a 5" or 5.5" bike?

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 5 Oct 2012, 11:52 pm
Finally!  Very nice.  That bike will make you a better rider = lots of fun.  Money well spent Josh!

And in this corner, weighing in at a svelte 26lbs.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68878)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 6 Oct 2012, 06:10 pm
140mm, so 5"
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 6 Oct 2012, 06:12 pm
Wow, nice bike!  Would be perfect for Super D racing...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 6 Oct 2012, 08:06 pm
We are talking about starting an enduro race.  Super d didn't gain popularity here apparently.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 14 Oct 2012, 12:07 am
I'm on vacation out at my parent's place in Washington.  Thought I'd do some single track while I am out here.  The Devil's Gulch was closed due to fires, so I opted to do Freund Canyon.   I am not used to that much climbing.  1800' in 4 miles.   I was seriously sucking wind.    Fortunately its followed by an uninterrupted 4.5mile downhill run, bermed and jumps throughout.    Was a great ride, but I am tired.

http://evergreenmtb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Trail:Freund_Canyon

I did a couple of other rides out here around 4-5 miles and some climbing, but mostly fire roads.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 26 Oct 2012, 02:10 pm

Quote
And in this corner, weighing in at a svelte 26lbs.

And in this corner, weighing in at, well I don't know now, a lot more than 26lbs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2G_NNP63KA

I couldn't resist. After moving into town I sold my Scorpa Sy-250 Long Ride trials bike since dirt is farther away. So I got a street legal version of the Gas Gas EC300 2 stroke firecracker. This way I can rip around town legally, - my old neighbor use to terrorize this town on a Honda CR 500 2 stroker with his buddies and with cops chasing them. Then I can go play in the dirt when I am able.

Maybe this should have gone in the Bicycling On-Road section.  :scratch:

Rocket_2 Stroker_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 26 Oct 2012, 03:44 pm

Maybe this should have gone in the Bicycling On-Road section.  :scratch:

Rocket_2 Stroker_Ronny


Motorcycle = Bicycle?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 26 Oct 2012, 04:02 pm

They did call it a bike. It's got two wheels. You feel like you are flying, just like on a bicycle. And makes me want to ride my Specialized Enduro more. It just has a whole lot more power is all.

Oh, and it's off road when not on road.  :wink:

When I am not on 2 wheels I find myself on 4. Something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHOUKu6boRg

Rocket_Love Them Wheels_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 26 Oct 2012, 11:25 pm
That last one is insane.  All I can think of is suddenly rock, or suddenly car pulls out.  As Hemmingway would pen in For Whom the Bell Tolls, mucked!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 28 Oct 2012, 05:34 pm

If 60 mph is insane on little wheels, what would this be called on bigger wheels?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph0SjLC_lqk&feature=watch-vrec    :o


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 28 Oct 2012, 05:59 pm
I'd recommend starting a new thread with these posts, rather than divert this one...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 28 Oct 2012, 07:16 pm

I know it's a bit off topic, but really catches the essence of what riding a bike is. It's that free wheeled feeling that I think we all enjoy about riding. It's a little bit like flying. So I will hold back. I just thought the riders in the thread could relate to, and enjoy, the links.  :wink:  Plus, the Gas Gas link is sharing my life with the crew. Some might find it interesting.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.  :drums:

Rocket_Got That Free Wheelen Feelin_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 28 Oct 2012, 07:37 pm
Ronny,

Thanks for sharing but let's keep this thread focused on the leg powered bikes.   Start another thread for the kind with motors, you'll probably get lots of responses.  I'm a fan of both but we should keep this thread focused on off-road bicycling.

Thanks

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 28 Oct 2012, 08:04 pm
Will do.

Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow.

I will behave, I promise.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 28 Oct 2012, 08:10 pm
Ronny,
No worries!  I hope you start another thread because I'd like to see more if this stuff. Very cool!

Thanks

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 29 Oct 2012, 12:26 am
No worries here either... I just didn't want anything to distract me from ogling Josh's new bike! :)

I love my Yeti, but I keep trying to justify a new bike with a 2x10 transmission and more travel, and I just can't quite get there yet... too much work on the house this year.  Josh's shiny new wheels aren't helping though! :lol:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Oct 2012, 03:24 am
My cross-country friends...riders of the storm.  What storm?   :thumb:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Rocky%20Point%20closing%202012/file-19.jpg)
Picture taken today
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm
That's a decent sized crew.   I like how there is a dude on a cross bike and a dude on a fat bike in there too.  I'm surprised the fat bike can keep up.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 29 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
That fat tire bike is a Surly Pugsley.  I know a guy who has one as his only bike.  He rides over a thousand miles a month, year round, and fast.  The bike is heavy and those tires are massive but I've seen him maintain over 20mph in a pace line for over 40 miles on that thing.  He rarely does road rides but he comes along once in a while.  His tires are slicks because he literally rode the knobs off if them and he's probably over 60 years old. Tough dude.

When I met this guy on a ride, I thought he was a young kid until he took off his helmet at a rest area. My friend said he joined the group for a 100 mile ride and kept up for nearly 80 miles, on a nearly 40 lb Pugsley!  Until I saw it, I did not believe it was possible.  The next day, one of my friends went out and bought one for wjnter and bad weather riding.  Cool bike!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 29 Oct 2012, 01:01 pm
I went by a local shop on Saturday to exchange my dropper post (wrong size) and they had a Surley Moonlander in the shop.  I picked it up.  Wasn't as heavy as I expected, but was still mid to upper 30's I'd guess.   Looks like a cool winter snow bike. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Oct 2012, 01:23 pm
Those FAT bikes are lots of fun. They are heavy when you pick them up but feels very efficient when you are riding.  If I only have room for one of them, I can ride it in deep snow and on the beach. We had 3 groups (fast, medium and social pace).  Tiny Woman in the far right was leading the fast group. :-)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 29 Oct 2012, 01:50 pm

For winter forget the fat bike and just get studded tires. That's what the Eskimos do up here in the great white north. We have had about 2" of snow on the ground for the last week. Should melt away soon hopefully. My wife's co-worker has put on studded skins on his trusty steed already.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Oct 2012, 02:12 pm
For winter forget the fat bike and just get studded tires. That's what the Eskimos do up here in the great white north. We have had about 2" of snow on the ground for the last week. Should melt away soon hopefully. My wife's co-worker has put on studded skins on his trusty steed already.

Rocket_Ronny

I am sure you know what you are talking about.  Check out this film "Epic Alaska Fat biking"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgOgBvRfZ0U

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Oct 2012, 02:16 pm
Putting that BS on the side...here is another picture of my friend rolling over our friends' unmarked car.   :lol: :lol: :lol:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Rocky%20Point%20closing%202012/file-17.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 29 Oct 2012, 03:08 pm

Impressive video Levi, esp. riding in snow with those steep banks. If you went over that you would know it.

I have never seen anyone riding a fat bike in winter. The hard core riders just use studded tires. Even those fat tires really need to be studded.

I have ridden my trials bike in winter and it has even fatter tires and it's out of control most of the time. But if it had studs, well that's altogether different.

My wife's co-worker uses studded tires that don't have the studs in the center. So when nice out you are riding on rubber. When ugly out he deflates them a bit to lower the center and is studded.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Oct 2012, 03:53 pm
FYI, you only need studded tires in ICE not snow (snow is soft).
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 6 Nov 2012, 05:03 am
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Cervelo%20R5/file-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Dec 2012, 06:19 am
The most expensive cycling rain cap.  :-)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Cervelo%20R5/file-29.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Dec 2012, 02:04 am
ouch...hope that is a misplaced decimal.

Anyone seen Where the Trail Ends?  just watched it tonight.   Inspiring.  Super super steep stuff in that.  Holly crap pucker factor indeed. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Dec 2012, 02:36 am
Good to hear you are back!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Dec 2012, 02:48 am
Well I am back as in I am trying again.   But I had major atrophy, so my fitness is basically 1 out of 10 and I need to build it back.  I watch these movies as motivation.   I won't be doing that but it motivates me more than watching lance armstrong.   To each their own.



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 27 Dec 2012, 02:42 pm
Hi Josh,
I'm glad to see you are thinking about getting back on the bike. I hate when people say this but please be careful.  Your injury was extremely serious and I hope you tske your time coming back.  You might want to get a stationary trainer and do some indoor training to get your legs back.  Just make sure to get a decent freak we tire.


I hate my trainer but Chicago winters don't give me enough outdoor opportunities to stay in shape. I know lots if guys who still ride outside but it gets dark so early and the icy roads combined with the darkness make it too dangerous for solo riding.  I'm doing the CTS training system and will be on the bike in about ten minutes.

Cheers

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Dec 2012, 05:59 pm
This is all I have.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/20Reasons_zps8d7548d2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: J-Pak on 28 Dec 2012, 06:14 pm
ouch...hope that is a misplaced decimal.

Anyone seen Where the Trail Ends?  just watched it tonight.   Inspiring.  Super super steep stuff in that.  Holly crap pucker factor indeed.

That's a good one. My favorite mtb related film this year was Strength In Numbers.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Dec 2012, 07:15 pm
They don't want you to buy it. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 14 Jan 2013, 05:22 pm
CK hubs are not upgradeable.

It is cheaper to get a new front wheel.


Just an FYI, CK hubs can be converted. 

http://chrisking.com/files/upload/hubs/ISOInfoSheet4_11_A_1.pdf
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jan 2013, 05:32 pm
That's good to know.  They also upgraded their hubs to 11-speed compatible.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Jan 2013, 05:41 pm
I have a few more tricks for my 29er bike this year.

I recently upgraded to Fox QR15.  That is a 15mm through axle instead of the quick release.  This requires a purchase of the lower legs direct from Fox Racing.  The new 2013 lower legs are lighter in weight and stiffer thus you have more control in technical conditions.  The lower legs are @$200 and change and comes with new low friction dust wipers.  Installation is easy, remove the old one and swap the new one in.  I use 20weight oil.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Fox%20Racing%20Shox/QR15%20upgrade/file-5.jpg)
Left: new 2013 QR15, Right: 2012 QR.  Also note the upper brace difference this year.  Internally they are also different.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Fox%20Racing%20Shox/QR15%20upgrade/file-6.jpg)
Comparison between the new QR15 (left) and QR (old). 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Fox%20Racing%20Shox/QR15%20upgrade/file-13.jpg)
I9 pewter spokes!  8-)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Fox%20Racing%20Shox/QR15%20upgrade/file-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 11 Feb 2013, 05:35 am
Blizzard of 2013 in New York...  What do you do after shoveling out? 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zpsb095d157.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zpsbe686f22.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zps398e2b2f.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zpseed866f1.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zps2af2c69a.jpg)
Ren and his wife

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zpse71a4236.jpg)
My Lynskey Pro29er  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 11 Feb 2013, 03:58 pm
Awesome stuff!  Thank you for sharing.  It's really cool how you guys ride year round.  I am spinning on my trainer but it's torture.  Too rainy and sloppy to ride in Chicago these days and I don't have proper clothing anyway for this weather. 

I hope you keep posting these types of pictures because they are inspirational.  Good luck!

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 11 Feb 2013, 04:49 pm
Ha ha ha... :thumb:

We ride as long as it is not raining.  Road grime simply sucks, not only stains your nice jacket, it also bad for the drive train and bearings.

Have a nice ride!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 11 Feb 2013, 05:03 pm
It's been total slop in Chicago, followed by frigid cold.  Riding on the white fluffy stuff is a blast. 

I'm really pushing my training and fitness (for real this time) and plan to cut some weight before the outside riding season.  I need to lose at least 30 lbs to be competitive with my group.  I've added weight training (whole body including legs) and hope to improve my power.  Losing weight is my biggest hurdle. 

Good luck with your riding!

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 13 Feb 2013, 01:52 pm
Our weather here in Toronto has sucked most weekends, but I hit the trails with packed snow once.  It was my first ride on snow and first time riding after my accident.  Boy do I have a lot of work getting back into shape.   I was seriously winded climbing our mild long hill.  My ride was short but was happy to be out.  Plan to ride this 3-day weekend.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 13 Feb 2013, 02:38 pm
Good to hear you are back riding Josh.  I am scoping to travel to Montreal for some great road ride events or maybe their Jazz Festival in July.  Only 6hrs drive door-to-door. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Feb 2013, 01:47 am
Snow melting but the trails are still wet.

We just did our regular pavement ride that day.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zps6ac44c83.jpg)
The Globe

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zpse49cb4b5.jpg)
The Velodrome

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zps56b502be.jpg)
RC Electric plane

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zps18d4aa9e.jpg)
High Tech LiPo batteries can jump start a car!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Lysnkey%20Pro29/Cunningham%20Park/file_zps08735b59.jpg)
Sale!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 15 Feb 2013, 03:31 am
I'm impressed. What drives you guy's to do this?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Feb 2013, 04:40 am
Addiction.  Ha ha ha

I'm impressed. What drives you guy's to do this?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 15 Feb 2013, 04:59 am
Addiction.  Ha ha ha

What is it that make's you addicted? How do you feel after a ride, or even more, before a ride?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Feb 2013, 05:15 am
It is the feeling of "runner's high" when endorphins circulating throughout your body and the love to be outside. 

Dressing up is the worst part of going out in the cold.   :wink:

For beginners, I would say get a good helmet/clothes, a bike that fits them properly, and simply enjoy the ride.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 15 Feb 2013, 05:27 am
Is it to late for a 55 year old person to start biking?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Feb 2013, 01:14 pm
It all depends on your condition.  My guess would be it is not too late. Just check with your primary physician if you are ok to do exercise.  Riding is fun but it is also risky.

Is it to late for a 55 year old person to start biking?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 15 Feb 2013, 01:21 pm
As long as you don't have any severe medical conditions, you can start at any age.  Just get a bike that fits you well, pump up the tires and ride.  If you like it, you can always upgrade.  It's great to get with a group of people who are at our level and set goals regarding time and distances per week or month.

Cycling is fun and there are different types of cycling.  I enjoy road rides with my friends.   It pushes me to improve my fitness and overall strength.  Three or four hours on the bike might not be everyone's idea of fun.   Mountain biking is also fun and carries with it a totally different list of challenges.   

Whatever you choose to do, prepare to have a site butt got a few days or longer when you start out.  Soreness is to be expect.  If you get any numbness, you need a new saddle or your bike fit is off.

Good luck

Jack

PS - I know lots of 55 year olds who routinely crush younger riders on group rides. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 15 Feb 2013, 05:10 pm
There are two different groups mountain bikers in my area that I am aware of.  The first group rides my local trail which isn't very technical but have lots of short steep ups and downs.   There are two guys in their 60's in that group and I can't keep up (then again I am pretty out of shape). 

The other group rides a set of trails where dirt is interspersed between rocks gardens to break up the monotony (read hardcore technical riding) and own season passes to our local downhill park.  There are two guys in their 50's, including the founder of the group.  These guys kill it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 20 Feb 2013, 09:52 pm
Finally after the long wait.  My new toy!   Thanks PEAK Bikes!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/2DE06AB1-3571-4306-B277-637404AC188E-14684-0000042533FF6C7F_zps12f90f5b.jpg)
Get your weather in your Garmin device!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/9A853FC6-2DF1-498D-880B-46ACF3D72500-14684-0000042542B89A2B_zps0b21ee5a.jpg)

Here is my quick impressions.  It works!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 24 Feb 2013, 01:15 am
Garmin also updated the mounts. Now it has a hole for the sound to pass through from the bottom.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/file_zps99d464e0.jpg)

The most fun about the new Edge 510 and 810 are the LiveTrack feature.  When a session is enabled, it sends an email to your chosen recipients and they can actually watch your progress live!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/LiveTrack_zpsb0218314.jpg)

Now that was fun!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 24 Feb 2013, 01:38 am

Quote
Is it to late for a 55 year old person to start biking?

I would think it to be a perfect time.


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 20 Apr 2013, 12:55 am
I am so sick of this long ass winter!  I want to ride (off road)!   Our dirt is clay based which shouldn't and really can't be ridden when wet and it hasn't been nice on a weekend since Feb when I rode packed snow. 

On another note, I got my season pass to blue mountain (our version of lift access downhill biking (tame compared to most)).  Finished my DH build.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 22 Apr 2013, 01:48 am
I am so sick of this long ass winter!  I want to ride (off road)!   Our dirt is clay based which shouldn't and really can't be ridden when wet and it hasn't been nice on a weekend since Feb when I rode packed snow. 

On another note, I got my season pass to blue mountain (our version of lift access downhill biking (tame compared to most)).  Finished my DH build.



Congrats on the DH build!  Riding season is here...just a thought when it is muddy or wet in the trail...ride your road bike.  :-)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 24 Apr 2013, 06:40 pm
I hate road riding...  :evil:  I just don't like dodging cars and there really isn't great road riding nearby in Toronto, but there is great dirt. 

Here was a photo I took of the DH sled just before finishing the small stuff. 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=79422)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 25 Apr 2013, 02:11 am
Nice! I love riding my DH bike, so much fun.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 25 Apr 2013, 03:02 am

Beautiful bike Josh. What is it and what does it weigh in at? Have fun with it this year.

I have not put my leg over my bicycle, only been on my dirt bike that is barely street legal. The kids stole my specialized enduro out the other day and got it all muddy. So they are at least getting out.

Rocket_Fire Cracker_Ronny    :wink:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 26 Apr 2013, 01:01 pm
That is a very nice DH bike Josh!  Congrats.

I haven't ridden my Lynskey Pro29 in awhile since winter.   Hopefully, when I finished training for the GranFondo NY, I will be riding the trails again in the summer.  X-country style baby.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/Enve%2025mm%20setback%20seatpost/file_zps94c700aa.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 26 Apr 2013, 05:55 pm
Levi, what model of Schwalbe RoRos are you riding and how do you like them?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Apr 2013, 12:58 am
They are 2.25 EVO Pace Star TL ready.  I love them because 1), they are lightweight and 2), they are fast!  The single-track trail that I mostly visit are hard pack and does not have a lot of rocks.  They are great for twisty tight single-track here in Long Island, New York.   

Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 29 Apr 2013, 12:05 am
I finished building my new Scott Scale XX1 29er today, 18.62lbs!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 29 Apr 2013, 12:31 am
Josh - very cool bike!  I hope you are able to get out there and do some riding.  It sounds like you have fully recovered from your accident. Good luck to you and be careful.

Levi - I'm a huge fan Lynskey bikes.  A couple guys in my road group have Helix road bikes and they are awesome.  That 29er is ver impressive. 

Good luck guys, I have Ben on the trainer but have not been on any group rides this year yet.  Sad.

Cheers

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: guf on 29 Apr 2013, 12:41 am
I finished building my new Scott Scale XX1 29er today, 18.62lbs!

nice dude! i just bought a ibis ripley last week. not close to 18.62 but its awesome. i havent had an off road bike since 1997.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 29 Apr 2013, 12:43 am
I finished building my new Scott Scale XX1 29er today, 18.62lbs!

That is sick!  Most road bikes are in that range.  A sub 19lb 29er is insane.  Post pictures sometime.

Cheers

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 29 Apr 2013, 01:55 am
where are you riding guf?

yeah I went all out this time, tired of changing things around.  this should last me a while.  I'll post some pics of it next weekend after the maiden voyage.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 29 Apr 2013, 12:37 pm
I recently moved to a house with some land and had the opportunity to build my own personal track.  I only had 5 acres to work with, so I intentially made it slow and technical.  There are lots of rocks and natural features, which make it a lot of fun.

Here's a video of the first lap I made.  I didn't feel like taking the time to mount my gopro on my bike, so I just snapped it on my motocross helmet :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76U_PFgLjOY&list=UU7LhFX15YLLy9stY83WuQ2w&index=5

The previous owner left lots of lumber, so I'm thinking Phase 2 of the trail will involve alternative lines with skinnies and jumps.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: guf on 30 Apr 2013, 01:45 am
where are you riding guf?

yeah I went all out this time, tired of changing things around.  this should last me a while.  I'll post some pics of it next weekend after the maiden voyage.
yeah the good thing about constantly upgrading audio equipment is it helps you realize that spending a lot at first maybe the cheapest option when purchasing other things. i have only rode in marin:  china camp, deer park. i run a lot in the headlands and will ride there too but it'll most be to build endurance. that flow track in fairfax gets lots of talk from people. i'm going to try and go on thursday.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Apr 2013, 11:24 pm
Levi:  That Lynskey is sick!  You've also spent some coin I can see (both my rigs were some $$$).  If I were to get another 29'er, I'd probably opt for a Lynskey and make it XC oriented.   

The trails in southern Ontario are either super smooth flowy hardpack with little elevation or full on non-stop rock gardens with little elevation.  My closest one is right downtown ~3.5miles from my front door (ride to it).  It tends to be less rocky, but tons of fairly steep short ups/downs (like 30-60 ft pretty steep climbs and descents and continual).  It also has a lot of semi-hidden offshoots with man-made shore like technical features many of which have "some" danger factor.   Certainly as a whole Ontario trails that I tend to ride have far more danger factor than stuff I rode in NJ including the technical and rocky, Jungle Habitat.   Our trails are on the "escarpment", or basically a small sheer rocky cliff and many of the trails flirt with the edge.   Just this weekend one of our local club members botched a large rock step up and caught a branch that saved him from going off a 25' drop to rocks.  His bike landed on the rocks but luckily didn't manage much damage.

The DH sled is a Canfield "The One".  It is a light DH/heavy AM bike with adjustable travel from 6.5" - 8" and can actually climb!   It weighs 38lbs as photo'd but I shed some weight as my rotors and saddle were super heavy.  I also am going tubeless which will shed a pound atleast versus the DH tubes.  Noticeably heavier than my 26lb Ibis. 

I got out on Saturday to hit the trails (on the Ibis).  Holy crap I am out of shape after my accident.   Yeah I am fully recovered except my fitness (and my hearing is still affected which is why I took a pause on the audio hobby).  I absolutely love my Ibis bike.  It is so responsive, such a great climber (even compared to my old 29" HT) and stiff and agile.  I can drop 2-3' to flat without a blink, not that that is big, but I don't even question it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 30 Apr 2013, 11:31 pm
BTW, the DH sled I set up with Canfield's version of SRAM's XX1.  Its not 11 cogs in the rear, still only 10, but it is a 9t-36t spread with their special hub and adaptor set and a 28T front ring which gives a gear spread similar to most 2x10.  I just picked up a titanium spring as I sold some DIY stuff and put it to use. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 1 May 2013, 03:22 pm
I've been really happy with everything I've bought from Canfield.  I had a yelli screamy frame. It was a lot of fun, but I decided to move to a fs 29er.  They didn't have one at the time, so I moved to a Niner Rip 9. 

Currently using their Crampon Ultimate pedals and have been 100% satisfied with them. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 1 May 2013, 10:47 pm
I have Crampon Ultimates on my Ibis and really like them.  I took my Twenty6 Predators and put them on my Canfield.   The problem with the Predators is their pins are super fragile.  One time out at a rocky place and half the pins are broke (I'm a hack and pedal struck a lot) and they also make mince meat of your shins/calfs if you slip as the pins are super sharp.   The Ultimates have much more durable pins and aren't nearly as sharp on the shins.

On the DH rig I will be wearing armour so the pin sharpness doesn't matter that much.  The Ultimates are thinner which is nice, but the Predators are wider which is also nice... a toss up there.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 2 May 2013, 01:43 am
I've been beating on a pair of Spank Spike pedals for the last 2 seasons, they are awesome. 12.5mm thick, nice and grippy, decent durability. After the 1st season I replaced the bushings and they were like new again. I use the same pair on both trail and dh bikes so they get tons of use.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 May 2013, 01:55 pm
How about some DIY pedal upgrades/maintenance...

Speedplay makes highly reliable pedals for road or mountain bike.  They use several bearings for each pedal.  Like any other bearings, they need some care from time-to-time.  Rebuilding and maintaining your speedplay road pedals are really easy to do.   Speedplay made their pedals user serviceable however, you can always ask your local bike shop to do this for you.

Maintaining the performance of your cleats only takes a few seconds.   It takes a drop or 2 of dry PTFE lube every 2-3 rides is all there is to do.  The dry PTFE lube facilitates easy entry and release.  It also extends the life of the pedal and cleats.  It is dry so it does not attract dirt.

On the other hand, Speedplay pedal maintenance requires a special speedplay grease gun and SP-lube insert.  It only needs a squirt of SP-lube every 1000 miles.  The SP-lube/grease gun combination flushes out the old grease from the bearings replacing it with clean grease.  Greasing your pedal will surely bring more miles of use to them.

Finally, when it is time to replace the bearings on your Speedplay pedals, there exist several aftermarket bearing kit for them.  I have the Ti Zero series road pedals as an example.  Boca Bearings has hybrid ceramic bearing kit for the Ti Zero pedals.  I am sure other companies followed suit.  The Boca ceramic hybrid kit comes with 6-bearings, 3-for each pedals.  Instructions can be found at Speedplay site or have your local bike shop do the bearing replacement for you.

Here are some pictures of the rebuild/upgrade that I did with my Speedplay Ti Zero pedals:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/Speedplay%20Ti%20Zero%20rebuild/file_zpsaf342cda.jpg)
Speedplay Ti zero ceramic hybrid bearing kit

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/Speedplay%20Ti%20Zero%20rebuild/file_zps84438d30.jpg)
6-bearing kit

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/Speedplay%20Ti%20Zero%20rebuild/file_zps3e64c159.jpg)
Some heat to be applied to the T-20 screw.  This will break the bond and makes for easy removal of the screw

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/Speedplay%20Ti%20Zero%20rebuild/file_zps5f125759.jpg)
Pedals removed, inspect the surface of the spindles.  Looking good here.  Clean and apply some grease.  Make sure to clean the O-ring seals.

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Body removed
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A sharp pointer can remove the c-clip.  This holds the bearings in place and needs to be removed for the bearings to come out!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/Speedplay%20Ti%20Zero%20rebuild/file_zps4d9fe5c0.jpg)
Other side of the body houses the needle bearings.  This is the one closest to the cranks.

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C-clip removed.  Note the size of the replacement bearings.

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Some tools that I used for the bearing upgrade

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Bearings removed.  Clean pedal body and put new bearings in the body.

Important:
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Note that size of the bearings.  Make sure you install the correct size bearings.  If the pedals developed a play, that means the bearings were not installed in the correct order.

Finally, install the C-clip into the groove and make sure you use a Loctite on the T-20 screw.  Install the dust cover and small grease port screw. 

Done!


Note: I did not upgrade the needle bearings.  According to Speedplay, they pressed and bonded the needle bearing into the pedal body.  Removing it may cause damage to the pedal body.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 17 May 2013, 03:02 am
 Where can I look at, test ride, purchase a Merlin XLM bike close to Cincinnati Ohio.

Thanks,
Steve

Ref photo
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80632)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 17 May 2013, 04:44 am
Not sure if they still make an XLM because Merlin was bought by Competitive Cyclist.  Try Craigslits?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 17 May 2013, 04:59 am
Dam. Bike sold on Craigslist.  :(
 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 18 May 2013, 03:50 am
Hi all, I really need your help.

 One of the two bikes below just might be my first bike purchase in 30 years. I like the mountain bike feel. The first bike I’m thinking about is the Specialized Hardrock Sport Disc 29er, and the second bike is a Gary Fisher Marlin sport disc 29er made by Trek. Both bikes are the same price at $700.00. Not sure which bike is the better of the two. I have dealers for both bikes in my area.

Thanks for any advice,
Steve

Specialized  Hardrock Sport  Disc  29er
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/hardrock/hardrocksportdisc29


Gary Fisher Marlin Sport Disc 29er by Trek
 http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/collections/gary_fisher/mountain/sport/29er_sport/marlin/#/us/en/model/features?url=us/en/collections/gary_fisher/mountain/sport/29er_sport/marlin

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 18 May 2013, 10:22 pm
 Any thought's  :?:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 19 May 2013, 12:32 am
Have you looked at a Lynskey?  They are made in Tennesee and are the best new Ti bikes, IMO.  They also have great prices and some great sales once in a while. Give them a call and see if they have anything B stock or on sale.  They are very highly regarded and I've seen their stuff, very cool.

http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/silver-series-main/mt29-main.html
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 19 May 2013, 01:08 am
Have you looked at a Lynskey?  They are made in Tennessee and are the best new Ti bikes, IMO.  They also have great prices and some great sales once in a while. Give them a call and see if they have anything B stock or on sale.  They are very highly regarded and I've seen their stuff, very cool.

http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/silver-series-main/mt29-main.html

Hi Jackman,

Thanks so much. I like the looks of the MT 29. It's a bit more then I wanted to spend for my first bike but as a audiophile and machinist, I really appreciate good quality parts. I think I just might take a cruise down to Tennessee and have a look see.  :thumb:

Looks like the frames are made out of Titanium  :o  I've machined Titanium many times. Light weight and very strong :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 19 May 2013, 01:15 am
There are a couple Lynskey bikes in my group and I have seen some of their handmade MTB bikes.  The welds are perfect and the tubes are uniquely shaped. Also, I wasn't kidding about sales. They will sell their prototypes or b stock.  You will not find a better constructed frame, from a very special American company.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 19 May 2013, 01:25 am
Hmm, looks like the frame only starts at $1100. Price goes up from there.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 19 May 2013, 01:40 am
I think you mentioned using it to ride paved paths and dirt roads?  I think a Ti Lynskey is kind of overkill.  Those two $700 bikes are basically the same, pick the one that fits better.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 19 May 2013, 01:54 am
I think you mentioned using it to ride paved paths and dirt roads?  I think a Ti Lynskey is kind of overkill.  Those two $700 bikes are basically the same, pick the one that fits better.

 You have a good point. I plan on test riding the Hardrock Sport Disc 29er and the Gary Fisher Marlin 29er tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Outofthewoods on 20 May 2013, 04:25 am
Any thought's  :?:

Hey Wirenut,

Check out the Airborne Guardian. :thumb:
You get a lot more bike for your money compared to the Gary Fisher and Specialized.
http://www.airbornebicycles.com/products/110-airborne-guardian-29er.aspx
http://reviews.mtbr.com/bike-review-airborne-guardian-29er/2

Here's a link to their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/Airborne.bikes

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/0000300_zpse8c01877.jpg)

I ride a 17" HobGoblin.
http://www.airbornebicycles.com/products/123-hobgoblin.aspx
http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Airborne/HobGoblin,11751

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/P3132681_zpsaf18e9d3.jpg)

My wife rides a 16" Goblin. (The 16" frame has the "kinked" top tube.)
http://www.airbornebicycles.com/products/113-goblin.aspx
http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/29er-hardtail/airborne/goblin/prd_463702_1548crx.aspx
http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-gear/on-test-airborne-goblin-29er-v2-0/
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z387/Outofthewoods/moneyshot2a1_zps2458b583.jpg)

Ruben




Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 20 May 2013, 06:37 am
Hey Wirenut,
Check out the Airborne Guardian. :thumb:
You get a lot more bike for your money compared to the Gary Fisher and Specialized.
My wife rides a 16" Goblin. (The 16" frame has the "kinked" top tube.)
Ruben

       Thanks Ruben,
  :o  Those are all nice looking bikes and they do have better parts then some I've looked at in that price range.
       Wish they had a dealer locally so I could go test ride one. Since it's online only, if something breaks where
       do you get your parts from  :?:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Outofthewoods on 20 May 2013, 01:07 pm
       Thanks Ruben,
  :o  Those are all nice looking bikes and they do have better parts then some I've looked at in that price range.
       Wish they had a dealer locally so I could go test ride one. Since it's online only, if something breaks where
       do you get your parts from  :?:

Their customer support (Eric McKenna) is excellent! Give them a call and you'll get all the help you need in selecting the right size frame. If need be, you can dial your reach in by moving the spacers on your steer tube around, flipping the stem over, getting a shorter stem, and swapping out the bars. The Guardian uses the same frame as the first generation Goblin, of which there are a lot of rave reviews on the web.

If you have a part issue that's covered under warranty they'll take good care of you.  :thumb:

Best!

Ruben
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 20 May 2013, 01:59 pm
If you are only looking at riding some light trails and paved paths, I'm not sure you want to spend a lot of money.  There are lots of options from Trek, Specialized, and other companies.  I like supporting local bike shops but if you plan to keep the bike a long time and ride more technical stuff, the Lynskey bike is a great chioce.  Their Ti frames are built to last a lifetime and they ride like a dream. 

Some people may disagree, but I prefer metal bikes to CF for off road riding.  Aluminum is great for FS bikes but hard-tail aluminum bikes (like the Cannondale I own) can beat you up on rough trails.  Aluminum is light but it's very stiff.  FS bikes have shocks to take the edge off, but aluminum hardtails can be brutal, especially the old school aluminum bikes.  I also would caution against buying a used aluminum frame because if they crack (and the old ones were known to crack) they usually cannot be fixed.  Ti and steel can be fixed, and CF can be fixed as well (Calfee and a few places do it pretty inexpensively). 

If you are only using it for light riding and have no intention of stepping up to more challenging stuff, you may just want to get a decent cyclecross bike and put fenders on it for commuting.  I'd avoid FS because it adds weight and other negatives you don't need.  If you are planning to ride challenging stuff down the road, FS bikes can be a blast to ride if you pick the right model.  However, if you are just looking for a leisurely ride in the park every now and then, any decent bike that fits you properly will do.  Even something from Performance, etc. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 20 May 2013, 06:45 pm

 Do I need disc bikes if I'm going to be on mostly paved trails for the first 1-2 years or would rim brakes be fine?
Really all I'm after is the exercise at this point. There are a lot of paved trails in my area, plus I can ride on
the golf course path where I live at night when the golfers aren't playing. 18 holes right behind my house.
Maybe a hybrid would better suit my needs, but I do like the wide bars and wide tire feel of a MTN bike.



 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 20 May 2013, 07:54 pm
Do I need disc bikes if I'm going to be on mostly paved trails for the first 1-2 years or would rim brakes be fine?
Really all I'm after is the exercise at this point. There are a lot of paved trails in my area, plus I can ride on
the golf course path where I live at night when the golfers aren't playing. 18 holes right behind my house.
Maybe a hybrid would better suit my needs, but I do like the wide bars and wide tire feel of a MTN bike.



 

A MTB bike would be fine and, no, you do not need disc brakes.  Disc brakes are great if you plan to ride through slop or need stopping power on a steep descent.  Otherwise, standard rim breaks are great.  I have rim brakes on my MTB and it works perfectly for the type of riding I do.  If I rode in slop or on technical downhill runs, I'd consider a change to discs.  I'm not a fan of hybrid bikes (unless you are an older guy) because many hybrids don't do anything particularly well.  A good 29" MTB is a great all-around bike.  You can put slick tires on and ride it in fun, leasurely century rides, put knobbies on it and ride in the dirt or ride it on a MUP/paved trail for fun and light fitness.  If you go with a budget setup, you will pay a weight penalty, but it shouldn't matter for the type of riding you plan to do.

Not for anything, but there is a guy who rides with my road group once in a while.  He's probably in his late 50's or early 60's and he rides a Surley Pugsley with huge fat tires.  This guy rides all year round, I even see him hitting the trails in the snow, and he recently completed a hilly 100 mile century ride with the group.  He didn't finish as fast as they did (his bike probably weight 40 lbs!) but he finished and completed every hill.   I'm not sure how fast he got that thing going on downhills but some of the road riders exceeded 57 mph on downhills, so I'm guessing he must have been pushing 50.   This guys is a crusty old dude and he has become somewhat of a local legend.  He's an obsessive rider who puts approximately 9,000-10,000 miles per year on his Pugsley.  Two other guys bought Pugley bikes after seeing this guy in action, but I've never seen either guy on them!  I'm not saying you should get one but wanted to point out that weight is no big deal, unless you are racing or riding with a fast group. 

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 20 May 2013, 11:14 pm
A MTB bike would be fine and, no, you do not need disc brakes.  Disc brakes are great if you plan to ride through slop or need stopping power on a steep descent.  Otherwise, standard rim breaks are great.  I have rim brakes on my MTB and it works perfectly for the type of riding I do.  If I rode in slop or on technical downhill runs, I'd consider a change to discs.  I'm not a fan of hybrid bikes (unless you are an older guy) because many hybrids don't do anything particularly well.  A good 29" MTB is a great all-around bike.  You can put slick tires on and ride it in fun, leasurely century rides, put knobbies on it and ride in the dirt or ride it on a MUP/paved trail for fun and light fitness.  If you go with a budget setup, you will pay a weight penalty, but it shouldn't matter for the type of riding you plan to do.

 I’m learning that it really does come down to what fits you the best and feels right. I test road several bikes today including
a Trek Marlin, Specialize Rockhopper, Hardrock, and Crosstrail Hybrid, Diamondback Overdrive, and a Giant Revel. I personally didn’t like the Hybrid at all. The Trek Marlin and the Specialize Rockhopper both felt good to me but for the extra $200 cost of the Rockhopper I’d probably go with the Trek Marlin. I could do a Pusley but they’re too much dough for me at this time.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 21 May 2013, 02:53 pm
Cool, I'm not recommending a Pugsley.  They are a very specialty bike and I only know one guy who owns and is obsessed with his.  Two other guys in the group bought them but I have never seen them on the road.  The one guy is an older dude and he rode the knobs off the tires.  he's an obsessive rider and a rare bird.  Good guy but much toughter than most people and the Pugs is his only bike.  He rides it rain or shine and on the snow and ice of Chicago. 

Get the bike that fits you best.  If you plan to keep it a long time, spend a couple extra bucks to get the one that feels best.  If you are planning five or ten mile rides, you don't need to be too picky.  If you plan to do some longer rides, 40-50 miles, it's a different ballgame.  Make sure to set aside some money for a comfy saddle and decent grips and shoes.  The touch points are very important when it comes to comfort.  Stock saddles are usually throw-aways.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: nickd on 21 May 2013, 03:15 pm
I'm a "Gary Fisher" rider myself. I like the long top tube and mellow head angle. Lots of comfort in the saddle for my build. The "Rockhopper" is a fine general use MTB (I.M.O.P).

Ask the store for a deal to help stretch your budget. It's a bit like buying a car, they have a some room to bargain. You'll be back for tires, accessories and service in the future. :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: shanachie on 21 May 2013, 05:23 pm
I've found that buying used can sometimes save you quite a bit of coin, and if you're just getting your feet wet with the sport, it can prove to be a better investment.

I bought a kona hardtail as my first mountain bike for $400. It came with decent shifters, a 4 inch fork, and hydraulic discs and it was basically new. At the time it cost new about $1000! The best part is that I sold it a year later for $400 and basically got a huge discount off of my next bike, which I also bought used.

This second bike's story probably applies less to you, but there is a part of the story that should be kept in mind when buying used. I learned the hard way that often times the warranties that come with bike frames are more difficult to have honored when your bike is older and you're the second owner.

Oh and I'm new here! I live and ride in Fruita, CO. Come by and I'll show you around sometime. Our trails are awesome.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 21 May 2013, 11:18 pm

 Have any thoughts about this MTN bike/brand, Felt Nine 70 (29er) priced at $719. I plan on test riding one tomorrow. Never heard of Felt before. http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2013/Mountain/Nine-Series/Nine-70.aspx

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: audiogoober on 21 May 2013, 11:40 pm
Have any thoughts about this MTN bike/brand, Felt Nine 70 (29er) priced at $719. I plan on test riding one tomorrow. Never heard of Felt before. http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2013/Mountain/Nine-Series/Nine-70.aspx

Never heard of Felt. Craigslist usually has a wide selection of Specialized, Gary Fisher, Klien etc for very good prices...especially this time of year. Spring and fall are the best. I snagged a $3500 Stumpjumper a few years ago for $700. I'm also picking up a mint HotRocks for my son on Thursday....hardly used and mint for $100!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 22 May 2013, 12:05 am
Felt is a well established brand and, like Trek, Giant, Cannondale, Specialized, etc., they make a wide range of bikes.  Not familiar with that model but Felt makes decent stuff and that bike is probably made in the same plant as comparably priced Specialized and Cannondale bikes.  Nothing special but not bad.  I'm not sure about low end disc brakes.  Maybe someone with experience will chime in. 

I like the 29" wheels and the overall look of the bike.  Ride one and tell us what you think. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 22 May 2013, 11:07 pm
 Well, I dropped the ball on my first bike purchase today but I’ll tell you about my bike later.
First, I’d like to tell you all about my first riding experience on a local paved bike trail today.
I got stopped and questioned by 3 police officer’s along the trail and the third officer was holding an automatic assault rifle  :uzi:.
I was like :wtf: was I speeding, am I tresspassing,  :scratch:   

 Turns out that someone had just robbed a store and was in the area on foot, probably on the bike trail, :o GREAT.
I turned around and was heading back to my car and got stopped by a 4th cop. Sir, you need to leave, we’re getting out the dog’s.
Ok officer, I’m outer here, please tell that other cop to put the machine gun down. See ya officer’s. I hope this shit doesn’t happen everyday down here or I ain’t comin back no mo. As I was riding down the trail I was hoping the officer with the assault rifle didn't need to do some practicing.  :uzi:





Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 22 May 2013, 11:12 pm
in CA, cops are in the woods with radar guns clocking mtn bikers on the trails.  I also got pulled over for no helmet.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: shanachie on 23 May 2013, 03:12 pm
Seriously? I hate pulling this card, but that is a royal waste of taxpayer money IMO.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 23 May 2013, 04:49 pm
Where I live in ON, Canada, it is not the law to wear a helmet on a bike.  That said, I do. 

I don't think there is a speed limit on any offroad trails here either, but when it comes to mixed use trails, it is good if folks don't try to set a PB for a trail on a Sunday afternoon when others might be out there enjoying it too.

Not much scares parents of young kids more than some yahoo on a full suspension bike blasting down a multi use trail in the suburbs!

Lots of dedicated trail out there for that fun, and good friends of mine have even switched to night riding with serious lighting, just to avoid running into other trail users.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 23 May 2013, 05:12 pm
Seriously? I hate pulling this card, but that is a royal waste of taxpayer money IMO.

no joke.  I even got pulled over another time for not having my chin strap buckled.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: tdangelo on 23 May 2013, 05:43 pm
1st ride at Graham Swamp in Palm Coast FL and I fell pretty hard - fractured a rib and pulled a groin muscle. That place is a bit too advanced for a newbie like me  :duh:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80978)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 23 May 2013, 06:30 pm
Ouch, broken ribs hurt! Looks like your bike is ok though...  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 23 May 2013, 07:18 pm
Yikes!  Don't kill yourself on that bike!  I sound like a geezer but the older I get, the longer it takes me to recover from injuries.  My shoulder was injured more than ten years ago and it's never been the same.  Most of all, watch out for cars!

Cheers,

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: tdangelo on 23 May 2013, 07:47 pm
Ouch, broken ribs hurt! Looks like you're bike is ok though...  :thumb:
yeah, the bikes good and I'm getting better ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: tdangelo on 23 May 2013, 07:49 pm
Yikes!  Don't kill yourself on that bike!  I sound like a geezer but the older I get, the longer it takes me to recover from injuries.  My shoulder was injured more than ten years ago and it's never been the same.  Most of all, watch out for cars!

Cheers,

Jack
I hear ya - I've been to other single tracks but this one is a bit hard and 7 miles long - check out the Youtube videos if your into it. It's been about 12 days and is getting better. I'm glad I can ride my street bike ok - that doesn't seem to hurt the rib or groin. Cars, yes.. in Florida we have especially bad drivers..
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 4 Jul 2013, 11:45 pm
So I've been riding a bit more lately.  Trying to get back into shape.   Two weekends ago I rode Hilton Falls with the "defiant MTB crew".  This place is a continual rock garden with one short run of fast flowy ST through the trees to catch your breath and then back to rock gardens.   I suffered 12km and that was all I could muster.   Last weekend was a long weekend up here in Canada and I went out for the weekend with the same crew.  This time we did Kolapore, which still has some rocks, but much more tame technically, but much more elevation changes.   Did 15miles over 3 hours before having to take one of our friends out to a trailhead to be taken to the hospital by ambulance for "something strange with his EKG".

Camped out Saturday night and did DH at Blue Mountain on Sunday.   Great blast even though only a few runs were open.  Maiden voyage on my Canfield One that I built myself.   Managed to shoot the first run. https://vimeo.com/69478868 (that is a blue run called Fresh Air, the easiest one in the park).  Unfortunately later in the day, one of my crew hit a tree, broke both his collarbone and his shoulder blade.   Then the final run of the day, being super tuckered out was talked into riding the double black, Shotglass, that opened up moments before (previously closed due to mud...our mud is clay as impossible to ride).  Made it down 90% of the way through some really sketchy steep as heck, rooty as heck and super slippery sections, after my tires were caked in mud and hit a skinny 4' up and 90º to the right....welll I didn't make it 90º and took a header off it.  Managed to only scratch my face and blacken my eye and over extent my shoulder.   Shoulder is sore, but I am living to try it again.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=83083)


Ride on!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 5 Jul 2013, 02:53 am
You're all smiles so it couldn't be all bad. In fact, from that pic, you look like it was all good.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 5 Jul 2013, 07:12 pm
Yeah, I was laughing it off while the girls in our group were making a big deal. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: AB on 6 Jul 2013, 10:45 am
Yeah, I was laughing it off while the girls in our group were making a big deal.

That's why you bring the girls along.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 29 Jul 2013, 08:22 pm
UPDATE!

I rode Ft. Custer in Battle Creek, MI., last week and had a blast.  Here is a video of the trials we rode (not my video, just one from Youtube).  The trails look much harder in person, IMO, and I only crashed three times.  Two times were "equipment failure" related, my pedals were cranked up way too tight and my tires were pumped up way too full, 60psi.  After loosening the pedal tension and letting a lot of air out of my tires, I was able to get enough traction to navigate the courses at relatively high speeds.  Did I mention it was a blast?  Even though I bruised my ribs ten minutes into the ride.

After I returned home, I ditched the skinny 1.9" tires and picked up some giant WTB Wolverine 2.2 knobbies...tires I can run at 30 psi.  Can't wait to get back to the trails and try this one again.  It was very sandy and my skinny tires made it more difficult than it should have been.  My friend was riding a cool Gary Fisher hardtail 29er and he rolled over every obstacle in sight.  I am sold on 29ers after watching him destroy the Fort!

Here is a video of the trails we rode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2St_TN4S0


Any AC'ers in the area interesting in joining me sometime, please let me know.  It was a super fun ride!  I'm still getting my MTB legs back after an 8 year break.  You guys in western MI are very lucky to have such a beautiful place in your backyard!

Cheers,

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 29 Jul 2013, 09:56 pm
Glad you are alright Josh.  Some serious stuff there.

Jack, looks like fun.  Other than the impolite roadie passing everyone.  Maybe I need to ditch one of the road bikes for an ATB again.

Though from the both of you, it appears to be a bit dangerous.  ;)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: sandbagger on 29 Jul 2013, 11:04 pm
I havent been over to Ft Custard but over on the east side of the state there is a TON of good places to ride.

Last weekend was the TREE FARM RELAY, 4 person teams, 1 lap each or experts run 2 laps, either stagered or back to back.
Costumes are encouraged  :lol: :o

I am in this start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sj0XUVsefQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDwVv_Awf2g

Tons of video on the tube just search for tree farm relay
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 30 Jul 2013, 02:55 am
Hi Jeff,
If you get a MTB, I'd suggest a 29" hardtail.  The new 29" bikes are really nice; lightweight and the new disc brakes (the good ones at least) are way better than anything I've used in the past.  My friend rolled over everything Ft Custer had to offer with his 29" and climbed like a monkey on crack. 

I had no granny gear (bike needs tuneup) and I had trouble with the climbs.  Lots of roots, stumps and sand.  The sand really made it tough because my tires were way too narrow for sand.  Instead of floating over the sand, they cu through like a knife.  Not good. 

I can't wait to try these new fat tires I picked up.  Rode 15 miles tonight on the local geezer path and the bike feels like its floating on a cloud. Can't wait to try it on the real stuff.

Cheers

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 30 Jul 2013, 03:17 am
Sandbagger,
That's a fun looking race!  I hope to get out to the eastern part of the state sometime.  The costumes are also very fun. 

Thanks

Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: geowak on 30 Jul 2013, 04:02 am
Going on a 104 mile bike ride myself with three friends on Labor Day weekend. The Ohio towpath along the Cuyahoga River/Canal from Dover to Lake Erie.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: WireNut on 30 Jul 2013, 04:24 am
Going on a 104 mile bike ride myself with three friends on Labor Day weekend. The Ohio towpath along the Cuyahoga River/Canal from Dover to Lake Erie.

Dam, I miss being 20  :banghead:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: geowak on 30 Jul 2013, 11:42 am
Dam, I miss being 20  :banghead:
Hey Wirenut, I am 51yrs old, my friends 48, 50 and the other guy cannot go. We have mapped out a one day ride, starting at daybreak and with one hour for a meal.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 30 Jul 2013, 12:47 pm
Looks like you guys are having fun.  Thanks for sharing the video Jack/Sandbagger.  We have plenty of single-track here in the East Coast.  I haven't been riding my Lynskey Pro29.  Soon because I am upgrading from XX to XX1 which will keep me motivated.

Have a good ride!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 31 Jul 2013, 12:34 am
I love MTB'g.   Road riding is ho-hum for me.   I like the techier, push your limits, become one with mother nature (hopefully not mother earth), have a blast kinda riding. 

I've been trying to ride as many different trail networks in Ontario as I can log.  One of my regular riding partners is a girl on the XC sponsored team.  She kicks my royal ass in fitness and makes me work for it.  I like riding with her because I wouldn't ride as much without that push.   Another is a girl that I recently got hooked on mountain biking.  She isn't yet pushing me (give it time), but she is fit and she is aggressive and loves to ride.  She'll even ride the stuff with me that all my guy friends won't (our local is more on the advanced, slightly techy side, with very steep ups and downs and lots of steep exposure).

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 31 Jul 2013, 01:21 pm
You guys have me motivated, so will definitely look into.  Also going to check out the 27.5's or whatever they are calling them. 

Some may not know, but Giant and some others have abandoned the 26" wheel market.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: geowak on 31 Jul 2013, 01:35 pm
Biking is a lot of fun. It's also a way to keep in good mental and physical fitness. This same time two years ago I was flying back and forth across the sands in Iraq with all the stress and prep for those missions. Nowadays I can ride on my bike on a trail, it feels very free. A great way for me to relax and enjoy what USA has to offer with all our great parks. I luv it....
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 1 Aug 2013, 07:08 pm
Jeff,
Yep, the 27.5" or 650c (same thing) wheel is the new hot size.  They supposedly roll as well (almost) as 29ers and have the manuverability of a 26" wheel.  If I was in the MTB market, I'd look at the 650c or the 29" wheel and forget about 26" wheels (depending on the trails you ride).  It would not surprise me to see 26" going away or at least shrinking because of the superiority of the larger wheels. 

If you have a 29" wheel bike, I believe you can swap them for 27.5's with a few minor adjustments.  This might be a good option for many. 

     
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: mcgsxr on 1 Aug 2013, 07:37 pm
My best friend had a hard tail 29er and switched to a full suspension 26er.  He prefers the ability to slice and dice vs the rolling abilities of the larger wheels.  At 6'8 he has the torque to motor any wheel set, but liked the 26 best.

I have not seen him try a mid size wheel, it might be the ticket for him in the end, but it is a new style it seems, so few deals on them.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Aug 2013, 03:17 pm
XX1 installed and tested. This is probably the only set of gears I need here in Long Island. Only time will tell!

Here is a picture with the XX1 group installed on my Lynskey Pro29er. Unfortunately or fortunately, I sold the frame.  I will have a replacement coming soon!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/SRAM%20XX1/file_zps7d490f86.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/SRAM%20XX1/file_zpse178425b.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/SRAM%20XX1/file_zpsff1f8ed3.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/BrandsCycle/SRAM%20XX1/file_zps6e247cff.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 14 Aug 2013, 04:45 pm
Hi Levi,
The new setup looks great.  What are you getting to replace the Lynskey? I see Lynskey has made some changes for 2014 (tapered steelers, press fit BBs, etc).  I'm thinking about getting one of their road frames.

Cool looking stuff!

J

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 14 Aug 2013, 07:05 pm
Thanks!  The one I have has a 44mm tapered fork. :thumb:

I am getting www.opencycle.com. This should be interesting. ;-$
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 14 Aug 2013, 09:56 pm
Very cool stuff!  I'm not familiar with Open but you always have the coolest toys. I'm sure it will be an amazing bike.  Looking forward to the usual pix!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: embz on 15 Aug 2013, 01:30 am
Nice drive train.  I plan to build a 1x10 drive train with the XX1 crank set, I guess it's the only component of the XX1 group set which is hackable.  Would go with the 1x11 but that cassette expensive, so 1x10 it is.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 15 Aug 2013, 01:36 am
Nice drive train.  I plan to build a 1x10 drive train with the XX1 crank set, I guess it's the only component of the XX1 group set which is hackable.  Would go with the 1x11 but that cassette expensive, so 1x10 it is.

Thanks!  The 1xx is so simple to use.  Use the right fingers to shift and leave the left to feather the brakes = no fussing around with gear combinations.  :thumb:

Yes.  You can change the XX1 chainrings with aftermarket rings and you are good to go!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Aug 2013, 12:35 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85903)

Levi, gotta say, you don't do it halfway!  Open looks awesome.    For my style of riding, that is a bit too XC, but if I did more XC, that would be the bike to drool over. 

The thing that keeps me shying away from 1x is that I have constant up/down action where I ride, as in pretty damn steep up/downs with zero break, so typically the FD is the easiest to grab lots of gears quickly.   I have Canfield's extended 1x10 system on my FR/DH bike, and it is cool, just don't know about my AM bike.

One of the guys in my club is selling his Lynskey, claiming it was a noodle.  But where we ride it is all rocks.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 27 Aug 2013, 01:23 am

Totally agree Josh, Levi is HARD CORE, over the top, fanatical.

Hey, great shot of you Josh. Very nice. My kind of riding.

Here's a shot of the Rocket bouncing along at Silver Star in B.C. Canada. Doesn't look like much but those table tops are around 5-6 feet high, my estimation, and popping off the top a couple feet sure feels like your are doing something.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=85912)


Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 27 Aug 2013, 01:37 am
Josh, great shot.  Is that you on your bike?  Very cool ride and nice Enve wheels. 

Rocket, great picture as well.  BC is one of the best places to ride mountainbikes.  You are very fortunate!

I'll bring my camera next time I'm on the hills.  My MTB is old and crusty but I just put 2.3" tires on it (WTB Wolverines) and I'm ready to have some fun.  My previous tires were about ten years old and you could literally feel the knobbies coming off around turns.  It was like riding on roller skates.   Good times!

Cheers,
Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 27 Aug 2013, 01:41 am
Great shot guys and thanks for the complement(s).

Josh & Rocket_Ronny, you sure have excellent riding skills!  Enjoy the nice weather while you can.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Aug 2013, 01:50 am
Jackman, yeah that is me when we were playing around on a rock feature (read sessioning) at a place called Buckwallow, which is famous here in Ontario.  Its a paid for trail system but very well maintained, graded by difficulty, so you know what you are getting into.  That was a 5 hoof trail (out of 6, we did a 6 but I walked most of it).   That rock was too much for me to climb, we did it both ways, but I could roll it.

That is one of the only photos I have of myself biking. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 27 Aug 2013, 01:57 am
Jackman, yeah that is me when we were playing around on a rock feature (read sessioning) at a place called Buckwallow, which is famous here in Ontario.  Its a paid for trail system but very well maintained, graded by difficulty, so you know what you are getting into.  That was a 5 hoof trail (out of 6, we did a 6 but I walked most of it).   That rock was too much for me to climb, we did it both ways, but I could roll it.

That is one of the only photos I have of myself biking.

That's an awesome shot and even more impressive that it's you!  Tell your friends to take more pictures.  It's good inspiration for everyone on AC (including me!) and you will wish you had them when you are too old to go over those crazy hills.  Thanks for sharing the picture and take care.  Oh, and be careful!

Cheers,
J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 27 Aug 2013, 02:24 am
After the above photo, I rode a trail in Leavenworth WA called "Xanadu".  Its 1.700 ft up a fire road and then 1700 ft down a high exposure ridgeline techy trail with some serious grade, rock drops and long steep rock descents, throw in some granite here and there, huge berms and a few kickers.   Was seriously fun but quite nerve racking as I was in no-man's-land completely by myself.

Watch a video of the trail on youtube here... (not me) but is way scarier in real life. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbNAS2clSCU
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 27 Aug 2013, 02:42 am
Cool video!  I can't imagine riding that trail.  One slip and you are toast.  Crazy!

Thanks

J
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 27 Aug 2013, 03:06 am
Great pics Josh and Sbagger.  Agree Jack, one bad pedal stroke and you're tumbling for a while.  I'd probably crap in my shorts.

Levi, cool looking new ride.  You getting the Lefty?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 29 Aug 2013, 03:24 am

Man Josh, sure reminds me of this trail and crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsDjh7oAAP0

All is fine while on the trail but go off and it's a very bad day, or the last day.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 29 Aug 2013, 04:31 am
Great pics Josh and Sbagger.  Agree Jack, one bad pedal stroke and you're tumbling for a while.  I'd probably crap in my shorts.

Levi, cool looking new ride.  You getting the Lefty?

Thanks!  I am keeping my Fox shox.  :-)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 3 Sep 2013, 01:34 am
Man Josh, sure reminds me of this trail and crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsDjh7oAAP0

All is fine while on the trail but go off and it's a very bad day, or the last day.

Rocket_Ronny

Haha....I've seen that.   I have felt that way once.   When I took a header off a 4' feature doing 20+ mph.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 17 Oct 2013, 02:28 am
Seriously bummed that DH season is over here.   Got a minor injury just before the last weekend.   Together with the rotator cuff injury earlier, that was not a good use of a season's pass.    However, I was stoked to get to ride the stunt/jump line at my local on my last time out. 

I am building up my confidence in going big again.  When I was young I went big, now I am old but am learning to relax and have confidence again.

Even the racer chicks in my club think riding DH does their MTB skills good skills.   Unless you are a reformed roadie, practicing other skills, like jump lines, DH, trials, skinnies, all helps your improvement in riding.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 17 Oct 2013, 03:58 am

Quote
Seriously bummed that DH season is over here.

No kidding. Season almost done here too. Did manage to exercise Twisted Sister (Gas Gas Ec300 2-stroke hyper child) last weekend. Lots of trails including a 5 turn snake run down the old ski hill. It has 6 foot banks in the turns.  :o

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88535)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88536)


Hope everyone had a great biking season.

Rocket_Ronny




Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 18 Oct 2013, 02:53 am
You guys just reminded me to post a picture of my OpenCycle 29er!  All the cables are internal/Di2 ready.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/file_zps7af57691.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/file_zps45473a81.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/file_zpsa42421fb.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/file_zps69e6e741.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 21 Oct 2013, 06:59 pm
Levi,

I hate you!  Just kidding, but I'm admittedly envious over your new ride.  If I was putting together a bike, I don't think it would be possible to top that ride, regardless of budget.  Very cool looking bike!  Enjoy it and be safe. 

Lots of guys in my group are getting Fatbikes, Pugsleys.  They ride them on the most technical trails in the area and I'm seriously thinking about getting a Pugs.  They run super low pressure (under 10psi) during the winter and ride them year round.  Pugsleys always attract lots of attention but the look grows on you after a while.  It's the type of ride that puts a smile on your face unless you are pedaling uphill. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88664)

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88666)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=88667)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 21 Oct 2013, 07:31 pm
Levi, XX1? Just put that drivetrain on my '09 Remedy, it's very nice...  8)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 21 Oct 2013, 08:20 pm
Thanks!  Xx1 are great!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 22 Oct 2013, 09:39 pm
I am on the fence with trying out 1x10 on my IBIS.   I got a wolftooth no-drop chainring (like the XX1 style) for my XT cranks.   A few things that are holding me back are 1) my fitness...I got a pinched nerve, pretty bad and haven't been able to ride for 3 weeks, which isn't helping and 2) my usual places to ride have a bunch of successive steep but short up/downs which often leads to the easiest solution of using your FD to quickly get in the right gear.   I might try it out by not removing my front shifter, but just change the chainring.   I got a 30T chainring to compensate that I am unfit and never tend to spin out as we have no sustained downhills.

I'd meander towards XX1 if Chris King would support a hub conversion.   I am not having my rear wheel rebuilt and I like the quick engagement of CK's (I9 would work too) as I very often use the ratcheting technique in technical sections (which most of our trails are full of).

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 22 Oct 2013, 10:16 pm
I'll make you a good deal on an 11-36 XX 10-speed cassette, XX shifter and X9 short cage rear derailleur. I'll even throw in a 1091 hollow pin chain...    :green:   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 25 Nov 2013, 04:21 am
Not bad ending the Mtb race season @Something Wicked Race 2013!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/D3379D05-254F-4A7F-BB91-340581F6EAD0_zpsdv67pjyb.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/8AFA3D0D-C070-4FB2-987D-AF84A2AAB462_zpse6w3pqik.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/My%20Open%20110117/D0024173-8AB8-4179-B092-AD6197509746_zps9a1zy8sm.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 25 Nov 2013, 05:00 pm
Levi - Congratulations!  that was quite an accomplishment and cool medal.  My bike is packed up for winter but I am hoping to get some MTB riding in this week.  It is crazy-cold in Chicago and I need to dig up my cold weather gear.  The wind is also pretty harsh, but it still beats riding on an indoor trainer.  That is my definition of TORTURE>

Cheers,
Jack
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Levi on 28 Nov 2013, 04:57 pm
Thanks Jack.  It is cold weather again.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 Apr 2014, 03:26 am
I just broke my '09 Trek Remedy in Moab last weekend, looks like I will get a discount on a '14 Slash 9.  :thumb:

The new Slash looks amazing and is getting great reviews, I'm stoked!  :green:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 9 Apr 2014, 01:05 pm
Broke how?  Frame?  Not under warranty?

Congrats on the new ride if you go that route.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 9 Apr 2014, 01:32 pm
Congrats on the new ride, but we've got to see some pictures!  Also, if you are the original owner, and the damage was not caused by a wreck, or negligence, the frame should be covered by a lifetime warrantee.  I'm hoping my old CF Trek road bike explodes so I can get a warrantee replacement. :thumb:

Lots of guys in my riding group have purchased Fat Bikes and I'm trying to fight the temtation.  Looking at a 650 wheel bike sometime this summer. It's good to see green grass and trails, versus snow and ice!

Cheers,



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 Apr 2014, 03:26 pm
It was a stress crack at the st/tt junction, and yes, I have a lifetime warranty on the bike!

My choices were either a '13 Slash frame in 26", custom paint since they don't actually have matched parts to make a complete frame and the '14 frames are not available.... they were going to make up for it by throwing in the required shock, which is not usually replaced for free.

Or a $2k discount on a Slash 9. They started with an $1.1k discount and I told them if it was going to be $1.1k I want it in cash so I can go buy a Nomad.  :lol:

The new Slash looks amazing, trail bike geometry has now fully matured into being exactly the same as DH bike geometry was a few years ago... of course better seated pedaling position and much different suspension, but the new Slash and Nomad have almost EXACTLY the same geometry as my '09 Trek Session 88, which is probably the best bike I have ever been on... and I have tried out newer Carbon V10s, Demos, etc.

I will hear today when I will get the bike, Trek is sold out but I might be able to get one from a shop, even though it's no longer Trek corporation's property... I hope they can work that out so I don't have to wait... I will post pics when I get it.

I'm not sold on fatbikes, idk... looks like fun but not sure how much I'd actually ride one.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 9 Apr 2014, 04:00 pm
I just got a fatbike and haven't ridden my 18.5lb mega dollar carbon Scott since.  The fatbike is so much fun.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 Apr 2014, 05:14 pm
Well, I go to pick up my new Slash this afternoon!

vortrex, where and what kind of terrain do you ride your fatbike?  Seems like most guys around here use them as an alternative to xc skis...

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 9 Apr 2014, 05:39 pm
XC singletrack in Michigan.  I got it right at the end of winter, so only got to ride it 3 times in the snow.  I see myself riding it a lot this summer instead of the Scott.  I rode it last weekend on the dirt and it was great.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: LadyDog on 10 Apr 2014, 02:33 am
Fat Bikes - If you have real use for one, not sure there is anything better.  Imo, it is centered around terrain that no other type of bike could negotiate. 

They, like any other bike, have a directed use.  For many people, it has/will open-up a whole new season for one to get out of the house on days they'd never dream of taking any other bike of its hook.

Certainly fun too.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 10 Apr 2014, 02:38 am
The new Slash is awesome... 28-29 lbs, DH bike geometry, pedals incredibly efficiently. Will blow off work for trail ride tomorrow, and I will post pics.

The 27.5" wheels are noticeable just rolling down the street... they don't feel clownish like a 29er, but are def bigger than 26.

I would be down to try out a fatbike, it does seem to have some potential!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 10 Apr 2014, 01:28 pm
Apart from sand and snow, there are a number of guys here in Ontario that have reported that fatbikes are awesome in the really rocky trails (including whalebacks) we have here.   They have a tendency to float over the babyheads, boulders and whalebacks easier than traditional wheels. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: vortrex on 10 Apr 2014, 03:38 pm
I run 5 psi in my 4.8" tires.  Will probably drop the front down to about 3 psi.  It's great on the rough stuff.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 11 Apr 2014, 12:39 am
Got in a ride, this bike is magic. Unbelievable performance in every situation. I rode the ride I did today dozens of times over the years and this was certainly the fastest I ever went, and not by just a little bit. It's a pretty big bike with a long wheelbase, low bottom bracket and 65 degree head angle, but only comes to 29.25 lbs and is amazingly efficient. The biggest problem I had was remembering to brake harder approaching corners because I was carrying so much more speed into them.  :icon_twisted:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/20140410_170947_zps1cb8b171.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/20140410_170947_zps1cb8b171.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: santacore on 5 May 2014, 08:25 pm
I'm interested in replacing my Gary Fisher Sugar that's a little too big for me. Looking for something in the 17-18" range. Prefer full suspension and disc brakes. Any suggestions for new or used under $1500? Any members looking to sell a bike that fits that description? Thanks. John
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: stlrman on 5 May 2014, 11:25 pm
Dave, sweet Trek!  What model is that? What's the price? Looks like a blast to ride!
Todd
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: stlrman on 6 May 2014, 02:08 pm
Anybody know what model this bike is?
Thanks
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 6 May 2014, 04:30 pm
I just got back from Moab and Grand Junction, the riding was really good, my friend and I entered an enduro race on Saturday in Moab...  :green:   Enduro is an emerging format where you ride a fairly big ride, in this case over 17 miles, and you are timed on selected sections that are mostly downhill and usually very difficult.

stlrman, the bike is a Trek Slash 9 which goes for about $5800. It is basically a downhill bike with a little less suspension and more favorable pedaling position. It's complete overkill for most trails, but if you are into very difficult trails that get very steep and have jumps and drop-offs then it is a good bike to have.

If you are looking at bikes nothing beats demo rides, you should ride the bike in the environment that matters most to you, whether it is bike paths or singletrack trails...  and you DO NOT need to spend $5800, this bike was a warranty replacement so I paid much less than retail and was a deal I worked out with Trek, I ride it at least a couple times a week if not more so it is the hobby I am willing to spend the most on, or about equal to audio anyways...  :green:

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 26 May 2014, 01:48 am

I like your new ride Dave, congrats.

There is a contest going on Pinkbike called "Intense For Life". My son made a video of his friends and is one of the 6 finalists. It's the third video down and has a big CV in the top right corner. His new logo. Check it out, it's pretty good. You can even vote for it down the page.

http://www.pinkbike.com/u/sexley/blog/time-to-vote-an-intense-experience-at-silver-star-bike-park.html

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 27 May 2014, 12:54 pm
Here's a pic of my new Specialized Fatboy next to my Rip 9.  I've been wanting to try something different  :lol:

So far I'm really enjoying it.  The ride is somewhere between a rigid and fs bike, which is exactly what I was wanted.   Also, I live in Oklahoma, so this will primarily be used on rocky trails and see very little snow.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100049)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=100050)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2014, 02:14 pm
I've really been enjoying the fatboy.  It's becoming my primary bike, so I've decided to upgrade a few things. I hope to have it finished this weekend.  Here's the parts I have for it.

Fork - Rockshox Bluto
Wheels (to run tubeless) - Sun Ringle MuleFut Rims & Hope Fatsno Hubs built by Mike Curiak
Bars - Niner Carbon
Seatpost - KS Lev
Seat - WTB Rocket V SLT
Shifter - XTR (10spd)
Derailleur - XT
Cassette - XT
Chain - XT
Chain ring - race face 30 narrow-wide
Brakes - BB7
Grips - Lizard Skins
Pedals - Canfield Ultimate Crampon

My next challenge will be to figure out what to do with all the leftover parts.  If I can find a decent deal on a frame, I may build another bike  :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 8 Aug 2014, 03:48 pm
Fatbikes are like a cult!  Every guy I know who gets one, suddenly abandons all of his other bikes!  I know three guys who have not touched their other bikes since acquiring a fat bike.  Congratulations!

At RAGBRAI this year, I saw so many cool Fatbikes.  A girl (Canadian in awesome shape) passed me up on a hill with her custom titanium fatbike.  I didn't mind because the view was much better from that angle... :D

 There were also large groups of fat bike riders.  I'm a fat dude but my bike is pretty skinny.  There is a fatbike in my future, no doubt!  Keep us posted on the mods.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 8 Aug 2014, 04:07 pm

I guess I don't get the appeal for the fatbike other than floatation on snow, or perhaps cheaper to buy due to no suspension. That's a lot more rubber and weight to spin around. Looks tiresome.

I remember when I thought it would be a cool idea to fatten up my tires on my Yamaha RZ350 2 stroke street bike. Went up to the largest tire size front and rear, a size or two. What a mistake, it killed the bike in handling and acceleration. The extra weight of the rubber made the tires feel like giant giroscopes that did not want to move in any other direction than what they were spinning.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 8 Aug 2014, 05:02 pm
I ride to have fun, and the fatboy is the most fun bike I've ever ridden.  Stock it weighed around 30 pounds, which isn't too bad.  The traction more than makes up for the weight.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: jackman on 8 Aug 2014, 05:27 pm
I guess I don't get the appeal for the fatbike other than floatation on snow, or perhaps cheaper to buy due to no suspension. That's a lot more rubber and weight to spin around. Looks tiresome.

I remember when I thought it would be a cool idea to fatten up my tires on my Yamaha RZ350 2 stroke street bike. Went up to the largest tire size front and rear, a size or two. What a mistake, it killed the bike in handling and acceleration. The extra weight of the rubber made the tires feel like giant giroscopes that did not want to move in any other direction than what they were spinning.

Rocket_Ronny

Like they say, don't knock it until you try it!  Motorcycles are different than bicycles.  Fat bikes are not necessarily cheaper than FS bikes.  There are some really pricey fat bikes on the market.  The custom Ti bike (made in Colorado) I saw at RAGBRAI was not cheap.  They are not as fast as comparable FS bikes and even the expensive ones are heavier than FS bikes, but several people I know love their fat bike. 

One friend recently completed a 100 mile ride with 4600 feet of climbing and averaged 16 MPH on his Pugsley (an entry level steel fatbike that weighs about 35 lbs).  He's around 60 years old and can beat most people half his age on the fatbike.  I'd love to see some legitimate times for people on this site (garmin or strava data, not "personal estimate" type data).  He is even faster on flats, and rides the most technical trails in the Midwest (there are some decent trails in WI and MI).  Another friend has several pro level MTB's including a 3 year old FS Trek and a Gary Fisher 29'er hardtail but he always grabs the Fatbike when he hits the trails. 

There is a company called Frame that offers a set of 29 inch wheels along with the fat rims on their fat bikes. The 29's are for speed and the fat wheels (and tires) for when you want to have some fun on snow, sand or any trails.  This is the bike my friend has.  It's entry level.  He hasn't tried the 29's on his bike yet, even though he has a set. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 14 Aug 2014, 03:04 pm
Finished upgrading my bike.  I also ordered my girlfriend a frame, and I'm going to use my leftover parts to build her a fat bike.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=103879)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 4 May 2015, 04:59 am
Well, I went looking and test riding today. over the recent years I have observed the Mt. Bike developments out of the corner of me eye. no one I know rides off-road these days so I rarely do myself. I have a hardtail Kona circa 1998 that gets use 6 times a year. The hardcore downhill/all mountain craziness is not my ride at all and it seemed to me that that arena was driving all the development. which seems right. like Formula 1 driving the performance of passenger car engines.

So I rode about 4 bikes over the weekend (Scott, Santa Cruz)--I passed on a couple (Trek) purely based on the sales associate I met with.  But test rides around here means city streets and that means flat. so I did a lot of curb drops ;) and ups. nothing resembling trails!  I even got a nice screw in the tire on a 10 minute ride on city streets.

I am still trying to justify the over $1500 prices for a pedal bike. Of course the ones I lean toward cost more than an entry level motorcycle! read IBIS, Seven, Santa Cruz carbon bikes

I am leaning toward the Scott Spark as it is a Cross-country/trail bike. not a downhiller or race bike. It does have suspension lock out , as well as a mid-level lock out and that feature is awesome. I will test ride a comparable Specialized full suspension, once I find a local dealer-weird because they were everywhere 10 years ago-and they are local. I am aware that there are some amazing hand-build/specialty brands of bikes out there but given my mild riding style and budget I can only admire them from afar,  so I will stick with the mass-market brands for the value factor.

Want to add that during my recent visits the favorite bikes I've encountered [without test rides]: a 1990s Moots Ybb Ti Softtail and a new Matte Black Scott Scale 700 hardtail with 1x11. The former was not for sale.

Well, that's it for now.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 7 May 2015, 03:20 am
Well... I went and rode the golden child today and I shouldn't have**... IBIS Mojo HDR 650B: one Large, one Medium size. only backstreet and parking lot stuff/ I found a loading dock too [no big drops ;) ] . Then the Santa Cruz 5010[SOLO]. Then the Specialized Camber 29er. As I said I am a cross-country trail rider so likely all these bikes are overkill so I am looking at lightweight/moderate travel. Though I am drawn to carbon fiber....$$$. That said...when you hit a parking lot bumper dead-on and hardly feel it, that is something...IBIS! but $6200 !! My dad bought our family cars for less!!!

hard to gauge what will be best uphill as there is a bit of steepness nearby and I prioritize that. sure the scale will be a factor, but the suspension options will as well. All three have a special formula. I've learned recently about the suspension electronics options too but want to stay away from that.

Also I am not used to the new gearing options. being a 49 year old, we started with triple chain rings. the more the better. my mt bike now has a triple. so now the majority have one chain ring and 10 or 11 gears. a few have two chain rings standard. I like the simplicity, but it is all very foreign at the moment.

Lastly, I know Demo Days exist but I missed both big local ones with the manufactures I am interested in, and cannot wait until the next one.

Note that all three of today's bikes are homegrown. IBIS is Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz is Santa Cruz and Specialized is Morgan Hill (east of  Santa Cruz)

**The cool thing about bikes is you give them a credit card and they let you play for 20 minutes. I wish you could do that with audio equipment for 2 days though.

and just for the visual factor I'll add a couple of phone shots I took as note keeping....
ibis
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120506)
santa cruz
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120507)
specialized
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=120508)


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 7 May 2015, 04:21 pm
Hey low.pfile,

Given your penchant for climbing and cross-country priority, I would think the IBIS Ripley would be a better fit than the HDR Mojo (650B or otherwise).  I own a Mojo 140, three years old, so 26 wheels.   I love it but then I prefer technical riding to lung-busting xc.   I literally could ride it at my (easier) DH park.  Maybe not huge hits, but most of the trails I could clean with it. 

The Ripley seems more like a XC riders' bike for long epic rides, for some plushness on techy stuff and generally less fatiguing riding.   You could likely take the Ripley on gnarly stuff as well, even if you wouldn't first think to.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 7 May 2015, 04:57 pm
For pedaling efficiency it's hard to beat the DW link / VPP bikes. TBH, I would not even consider Specialized.

I'd also check out the Trek Remedy/Slash and Yeti SB5or6C, these bikes (along with SC) are at the top of the heap these days and what most people race here in the Colorado Enduro races. But otoh, it's hard to go wrong no matter what you choose as most bikes are very good right now.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 8 May 2015, 08:27 pm
I appreciate the input guys. I will take a look at those too!
cheers, ed
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 9 May 2015, 12:00 am
I'm still riding my 12-year old Yeti and remain a fan of the brand, but I'll echo Dave's enthusiasm for the DW Link suspensions, and would thus mention Pivot Cycles as a result.  The Mach 5.7 model, in either carbon or alloy depending on your preference, is worth a look.  I've upgraded my Yeti enough that I can't justify replacing it without de-funding another hobby, but when I dream about it, Yeti and Pivot top my wish list...

(I'm amazed as the sea-change toward 650b wheels... I got really nice 26" wheels from Speed Dream a few years ago assuming that I'd be able to move them to my next bike.  Oops.)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 May 2015, 02:49 am
I'm still riding my 12-year old Yeti and remain a fan of the brand, but I'll echo Dave's enthusiasm for the DW Link suspensions, and would thus mention Pivot Cycles as a result.  The Mach 5.7 model, in either carbon or alloy depending on your preference, is worth a look.  I've upgraded my Yeti enough that I can't justify replacing it without de-funding another hobby, but when I dream about it, Yeti and Pivot top my wish list...

(I'm amazed as the sea-change toward 650b wheels... I got really nice 26" wheels from Speed Dream a few years ago assuming that I'd be able to move them to my next bike.  Oops.)

It's worth demoing some new bikes, they have made amazing improvements in the last decade, the last few years in particular. My '14 Trek Slash is better downhill than many 5+ yr old DH bikes, it pedals uphill better than any 5 yr old 5" trail/xc bike and weighs under 29 lbs. It's capable of fairly ridiculous speeds while maintaining stability and control.

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/1-bike%20012_zpsf6fljbb4.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/1-bike%20012_zpsf6fljbb4.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ctviggen on 9 May 2015, 01:17 pm
It's worth demoing some new bikes, they have made amazing improvements in the last decade, the last few years in particular. My '14 Trek Slash is better downhill than many 5+ yr old DH bikes, it pedals uphill better than any 5 yr old 5" trail/xc bike and weighs under 29 lbs. It's capable of fairly ridiculous speeds while maintaining stability and control.

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/1-bike%20012_zpsf6fljbb4.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/1-bike%20012_zpsf6fljbb4.jpg.html)

That looks super nice.  Is that -- gasp! -- a single chain ring I see on the front?  And how big (in width) are those tires?  They look huge. 
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 May 2015, 02:45 pm
Yes, it's a single 30t front ring with a SRAM 10-42t 11-sp cassette. The drivetrain is a mix of XX1, XO1 and X1 parts. Tires are 2.4 front and 2.3 rear but they are on Light Bicycle 38mm carbon rims which does increase width and volume quite a bit, allowing much lower air pressures and making the wheels much stiffer vs aluminum rims. The '15 version of the Trek Slash in carbon is the same bike but drops 1 full pound off the frame. The bike will cover a lot of ground fast on xc type terrain and still be able to handle the kind of trail you'd typically want a DH bike for.





Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: rooze on 9 May 2015, 04:19 pm
Yes, it's a single 30t front ring with a SRAM 10-42t 11-sp cassette. The drivetrain is a mix of XX1, XO1 and X1 parts. Tires are 2.4 front and 2.3 rear but they are on Light Bicycle 38mm carbon rims which does increase width and volume quite a bit, allowing much lower air pressures and making the wheels much stiffer vs aluminum rims. The '15 version of the Trek Slash in carbon is the same bike but drops 1 full pound off the frame. The bike will cover a lot of ground fast on xc type terrain and still be able to handle the kind of trail you'd typically want a DH bike for.

Do you run those tubeless?

Nice bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: macrojack on 9 May 2015, 05:45 pm
I inherited a Transition Trans Am from my son a couple of years ago. Does anybody know about that model? It rolls easily and the shifting is smooth. Otherwise I'm not to sure what's special or not. For whatever reason they don't seem to be very common around my part of Colorado.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 May 2015, 06:12 pm
Do you run those tubeless?

Nice bike.

yes, and thanks! I use Gorilla tape and truckerco (on ebay) valve stems and latex sealant.

I inherited a Transition Trans Am from my son a couple of years ago. Does anybody know about that model? It rolls easily and the shifting is smooth. Otherwise I'm not to sure what's special or not. For whatever reason they don't seem to be very common around my part of Colorado.

Transition designs nice bikes, the Trans Am is a hardtail mt bike made for general trail riding. It would be perfect at the 18rd trails in Fruita but is less forgiving on rocky trails vs a full suspension bike. I'd ride it around 18rd until you get comfortable then move on to the trails off the Loma exit, starting with the easier ones. 18rd is much easier than most riding in the area and the Trans Am is perfect for it.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: brj on 9 May 2015, 09:11 pm
It's worth demoing some new bikes, they have made amazing improvements in the last decade, the last few years in particular. My '14 Trek Slash is better downhill than many 5+ yr old DH bikes, it pedals uphill better than any 5 yr old 5" trail/xc bike and weighs under 29 lbs. It's capable of fairly ridiculous speeds while maintaining stability and control.

Careful, Dave... one of the upcoming purchases that I might unfund to get that new bike would the 5 pairs of balanced ICs that I need, and I literally just yesterday day had someone email me about checking out your cables!  :lol:

And I know you're right... my brother flies out every year to join me for a few days of mountain biking, and has typically rented a really nice bike (Golden Bike Shop is great), which I've then borrowed for a few miles to see what I'm missing.  To overstate things a bit, I still have to pick a line while he would just point and shoot!  Too many hobbies, too little time and money...
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: macrojack on 9 May 2015, 09:49 pm
yes, and thanks! I use Gorilla tape and truckerco (on ebay) valve stems and latex sealant.

Transition designs nice bikes, the Trans Am is a hardtail mt bike made for general trail riding. It would be perfect at the 18rd trails in Fruita but is less forgiving on rocky trails vs a full suspension bike. I'd ride it around 18rd until you get comfortable then move on to the trails off the Loma exit, starting with the easier ones. 18rd is much easier than most riding in the area and the Trans Am is perfect for it.

Dave - My butt already told me it's a hardtail. That same son moved on to a PBR Bottle Rocket which I have ridden. The difference is pronounced. I probably should have a full suspension recumbent with air conditioning and a stereo. A sofa on wheels sounds nice but I haven't seen any trails that will accommodate the width.

Let me know next time you're out here. I'm sure I can't keep up with you but I'll buy you a slice and a beer at Hot Tomato.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 10 May 2015, 09:36 pm
Careful, Dave... one of the upcoming purchases that I might unfund to get that new bike would the 5 pairs of balanced ICs that I need, and I literally just yesterday day had someone email me about checking out your cables!  :lol:

And I know you're right... my brother flies out every year to join me for a few days of mountain biking, and has typically rented a really nice bike (Golden Bike Shop is great), which I've then borrowed for a few miles to see what I'm missing.  To overstate things a bit, I still have to pick a line while he would just point and shoot!  Too many hobbies, too little time and money...

Haha, well... both are worthy investments ;)

Riding bikes is always fun, I rented a basic Specialized hardtail not too long ago and it was great. I'm glad I don't own one as my only bike but it was fun.

Dave - My butt already told me it's a hardtail. That same son moved on to a PBR Bottle Rocket which I have ridden. The difference is pronounced. I probably should have a full suspension recumbent with air conditioning and a stereo. A sofa on wheels sounds nice but I haven't seen any trails that will accommodate the width.

Let me know next time you're out here. I'm sure I can't keep up with you but I'll buy you a slice and a beer at Hot Tomato.

Sounds good! The Bottle Rocket is full suspension but it's made to be very stiff for jumps. If you're into it I'd try out a regular 5" travel trailbike, it'll be much easier to ride and more forgiving than either the Trans Am or the Bottle Rocket. Not sure about a sofa on wheels but a moto / dirt bike is tempting... :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 15 May 2015, 05:53 am
Josh and DaveC.... thanks again!!  I have attempted to test ride as many bikes as I could, while not going the route of doing a DEMO ride @ $100 as I am still trying to find my size. I found it a bit odd that when I stepped up to my first road bike that the shop was adamant about sizing me on a sizing rig. I have visited no less than 8 shops on my MTB upgrade and all they ask is how tall I am. Being a bit of researcher, but less so these days, I at least know that there are many factors.

I am looking at $4000-$8000 full-suspension bikes and find it bewildering that there is so little attention to rider usage and physical ergonomics ( since my first road bike was only $1400 which had lots of attention to both)

I know my off-road riding will not be at the level of the demo videos for each bike I test rode, but I feel that the "dealers" have been very lax in their attention to customers for bikes at this level. I have had the gamut from high school graduates, to bikers/sales associates near 40yrs old.

But one of the hardest aspects to get used to, is that the bikes I am interested in are not even available to throw my leg over–even at the parking lot/back street level. you need to plan, schedule and pay for a $100 demo ride for a bike near what you are interested in.

So I've ridden all the IBIS I am interested in but the builds varied so much, even by 2 years difference that is hard to evaluate. so I have narrowed down on Santa Cruz. my last ride was on a SC Tallboy LTc. but like I mentioned. only able to ride in downtown SF and the suburbs of San Jose, CA. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121073)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 19 May 2015, 04:34 am
A high tech bike shop is much rarer than high tech bikes are. When you encounter people feel comfortable with, give them your repeat business.

Josh and DaveC.... thanks again!!  I have attempted to test ride as many bikes as I could, while not going the route of doing a DEMO ride @ $100 as I am still trying to find my size. I found it a bit odd that when I stepped up to my first road bike that the shop was adamant about sizing me on a sizing rig. I have visited no less than 8 shops on my MTB upgrade and all they ask is how tall I am. Being a bit of researcher, but less so these days, I at least know that there are many factors.

I am looking at $4000-$8000 full-suspension bikes and find it bewildering that there is so little attention to rider usage and physical ergonomics ( since my first road bike was only $1400 which had lots of attention to both)

I know my off-road riding will not be at the level of the demo videos for each bike I test rode, but I feel that the "dealers" have been very lax in their attention to customers for bikes at this level. I have had the gamut from high school graduates, to bikers/sales associates near 40yrs old.

But one of the hardest aspects to get used to, is that the bikes I am interested in are not even available to throw my leg over–even at the parking lot/back street level. you need to plan, schedule and pay for a $100 demo ride for a bike near what you are interested in.

So I've ridden all the IBIS I am interested in but the builds varied so much, even by 2 years difference that is hard to evaluate. so I have narrowed down on Santa Cruz. my last ride was on a SC Tallboy LTc. but like I mentioned. only able to ride in downtown SF and the suburbs of San Jose, CA. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121073)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 19 May 2015, 03:19 pm
One thing about mt bikes is riding them is more dynamic and requires ever-changing body positions depending on the terrain so fit for seated pedaling isn't as important as it is on road bikes and there are simply fewer options to fine tune fit while maintaining the intended geometry of the bike. For example, on a modern trail bike stems should be in the 50-70mm range, you really should not put a longer stem on a modern suspension bike (with few exceptions), instead you need to size up on the frame. Also, you may notice that geometry for bikes has converged to the point there is much less difference in the fit/geometry of different brands, for instance my Trek Slash and my friend's SC Nomad have geometry figures that are near identical. It's important that you are comfortable on the bike and buy the right size frame but it is true the fine points of fit that are important on a road bike are more or less inconsequential on a mt bike.

Anyway, you can't go wrong today... all bikes from major mfg'ers are very good and if you pick the right bike for what you ride and that fits your riding style and get the right size frame you will end up with an awesome bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 24 May 2015, 04:32 am
The maiden voyage was a tough one. 3+ hours at Skeggs Point in Woodside CA. Crazy amount of mud on all trails, only due to condensation from the cover forest as rain is non-existent in NorCal.

Amazing bike!! Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc. I would have never attempted the steep rutted rocks strewn downhills on my old hard tail 26. Dropper seat is also a god-send. And I gave out before the bike did-for sure.

no ride pics. only pulled out the camera at catch up breaks.

first shot of a rare mild section, with the heavy fog (at 11am) all around.

and a post ride pic - getting ready to wash


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121594)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121595)


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: JoshK on 24 May 2015, 03:50 pm
Sounds like you got a winner.

I agree with Dave, the good bikes now adays are all good it seems.  Just find the one you like for the riding you like.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ctviggen on 24 May 2015, 08:07 pm
One thing about mt bikes is riding them is more dynamic and requires ever-changing body positions depending on the terrain so fit for seated pedaling isn't as important as it is on road bikes and there are simply fewer options to fine tune fit while maintaining the intended geometry of the bike. For example, on a modern trail bike stems should be in the 50-70mm range, you really should not put a longer stem on a modern suspension bike (with few exceptions), instead you need to size up on the frame. Also, you may notice that geometry for bikes has converged to the point there is much less difference in the fit/geometry of different brands, for instance my Trek Slash and my friend's SC Nomad have geometry figures that are near identical. It's important that you are comfortable on the bike and buy the right size frame but it is true the fine points of fit that are important on a road bike are more or less inconsequential on a mt bike.


In terms of positions during riding, I've always found this to be true, even a decade or more ago.  On my racing bike, I tended to sit in pretty much the same position for hours at a time.  The main exception was to ride out of the saddle during some steeper hills.  For the mountain bike, by contrast, I was constantly on and off the saddle, putting my foot down, moving around on the saddle, etc. All this meant the things you do to dial in your racing bike, such as change the position of your saddle, get a different saddle, change the width of the handlebars, change the length of the stem, etc., weren't nearly as important on the mountain bike.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 8 Jun 2015, 01:08 am
I don't mean to hog the off-road thread. but I got out for another ride with a visiting friend. We rode for about 4 hours at Saratoga Gap and I was challenged to say the least with the climbing the rooted single track. but this bike is amazing. I hope to be able to control it in the near future. The pic is about one-third of the way on the 14 mile route-I didnt take any photos on the ride, just at breaks. I was riding with an Sicilian MTB racer, who is 20 years my junior. and she tolerated me. 

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/393/18582000635_0749ca65ac_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uj2Bpi)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Odal3 on 8 Jun 2015, 01:13 am
I think I need to stop reading this thread because I get too jealous  :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 8 Jun 2015, 02:45 am
Congrats on the bike low.pfile!

I recently got a RockShox Monarch Plus rear shock for my Trek Slash after the Fox blew up, it's amazing... definitely loving my bike this season!  :green:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: wgscott on 8 Jun 2015, 04:10 am
My off-road bike is also an on-road bike:

(http://gallery.roadbikereview.com/data/roadbike/500/medium/smaller1.jpg)

(I also have a full squishy 26"-er)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: wgscott on 8 Jun 2015, 04:15 am
Congrats on the bike low.pfile!

I recently got a RockShox Monarch Plus rear shock for my Trek Slash after I blew the Fox, it's amazing... definitely loving my bike this season!  :green:

I just blew the Fox (so to speak) on my Trek too.   How much an improvement is this?
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: low.pfile on 8 Jun 2015, 05:23 am
...are you guys jumping off of buildings?! I'm going to keep my weight under 190lbs and make sure my shock is set properly to prevent this sort of of blowout. I've never had a rear shock before so I am still learning!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 8 Jun 2015, 09:18 am
I just blew the Fox (so to speak) on my Trek too.   How much an improvement is this?

Lol, umm... maybe not the most fortunate expression.  :green: 

It's a very noticeable improvement though, definitely worth it. Trek switched the Slash over to the Monarch Plus for '15 so I guess they like it too.

low.pfile, it's not a big deal... these things happen. Especially on mt bikes... if you don't have bike tools and a repair stand now's the time.  :)  Fox will probably cover it under warranty and I can keep it as a backup.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 3 Nov 2017, 12:30 am
Short enjoyable ride this morning in million dollar autumn desert weather:
(https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23032373_10213859727754749_270165180669747465_n.jpg?oh=58bbf4d834ad57870a539ff7a81ad17a&oe=5AA9F37B)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 7 Dec 2017, 05:31 pm
I got a new bike this year and have really been enjoying it.  Custom titanium frame from Funk Cycles.  Has 29x3.0" tires and weighs under 20 pounds.  It's perfect for my local trails and XC races.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172441)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Samac on 7 Dec 2017, 07:22 pm
Sweet bike, coke. Great pic, too. Makes me want to get out in the woods. What's sad is I haven't been out since I broke my arm when I endoed in a rock garden three years ago.

Keep posting cool pics and it might get me out there. :thumb:

Enjoy the new ride.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 7 Dec 2017, 08:24 pm
Sweet bike, coke. Great pic, too. Makes me want to get out in the woods. What's sad is I haven't been out since I broke my arm when I endoed in a rock garden three years ago.

Keep posting cool pics and it might get me out there. :thumb:

Enjoy the new ride.

Cheers,

Scott

Thanks!  Biking is a big part of my life, and it's something my wife and I both enjoy.

Custom media blasted graphic on the bike I posted above
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172455)

My other race bike
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172456)

Our play bikes that are a little more comfortable and fun

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172457)

The bikes we raced last year

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172458)



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Samac on 8 Dec 2017, 01:06 am
More great pics, coke. You have a sweet stable of bikes. I really like your full squish bikes. That's what my old bones need. I ride an '09 Cannondale Rize. I might have to find a pic and post it here.

I hope you and your wife always ride. It is such an amazing activity.

Cheers,

Scott
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 8 Dec 2017, 10:38 pm
I just started looking at full suspension bikes and I'm pretty discouraged at the prices these days. I'm most interested in the Santa Cruz Tallboy ($4,800) and the Pivot 429SL ($6,700). If I went with a frameset for a build the Tallboy is $3,000 and I don't know if Pivot has a frameset available. I live in Wyoming and the nearest bike shop is two hours away if the weather is good. I may consider just sticking to road biking for a while.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 8 Dec 2017, 11:14 pm
My '14 Slash got stolen last week!  :evil:

An '18 Slash will replace it...

(https://s20.postimg.org/y03jvcb3h/trek-slash-29-full-2-1502993913624-i2vtts6pxktu-630-80.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


2gumby2, bikes are getting expensive but a mid-line build is quite good these days and there are some good direct-sale companies around with good prices. Check out Transition, YT and others. If I wasn't getting a Slash ($3700 frame!) from insurance I'd probably get a Transition Sentinel for about half the price.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 9 Dec 2017, 03:43 am
DaveC113, Thanks for the information. I've not heard of those bike brands, but will look in to them.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 Dec 2017, 04:04 pm
DaveC113, Thanks for the information. I've not heard of those bike brands, but will look in to them.

 :thumb:

Just like audio, there are now some direct-sale bicycle companies offering excellent value.

Santa Cruz, Trek, Yeti, etc. have racing programs, big advertising budgets, use dealers, etc... there are some minor advantages as far as production, they often use the best possible carbon so their frames weigh a bit less and they can more easily change their designs to keep up with the latest trends but the Trek Slash frameset at $3700 is getting a little ridiculous imo. Same for top-end drivetrains, etc... OTOH today's mid-line components are really excellent and much more affordable so we're really better off vs when prices were better years ago, the high-end is just even higher-end. My Slash should weigh around 28 lbs, for the kind of bike it is and it's DH capabilities that is incredible. This didn't exist 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 9 Dec 2017, 04:49 pm
I like the YT bikes you recommended, but they are sold out in the model and size I am interested in. I'm not in a hurry though so I'll keep looking around until YT gets more product available.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 11 Dec 2017, 04:26 pm
I just started looking at full suspension bikes and I'm pretty discouraged at the prices these days. I'm most interested in the Santa Cruz Tallboy ($4,800) and the Pivot 429SL ($6,700). If I went with a frameset for a build the Tallboy is $3,000 and I don't know if Pivot has a frameset available. I live in Wyoming and the nearest bike shop is two hours away if the weather is good. I may consider just sticking to road biking for a while.

As with audio equipment, you also get diminishing returns in bikes.  In general once you go past around $3,500 on a full suspension bike, you're just paying more money to lower the weight. 

If you don't have a local bike shop and are willing to buy online, you can usually get what you want for 30-50% off MSRP.  Example: https://www.steepandcheap.com/santa-cruz-bicycles-tallboy-carbon-cc-mountain-bike-frame-2017?skid=SNZ009Q-YELFOXPER-XL&ti=U2VhcmNoIFJlc3VsdHM6dGFsbGJveToxOjM6dGFsbGJveQ==


Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: FullRangeMan on 11 Dec 2017, 09:14 pm
I just started looking at full suspension bikes and I'm pretty discouraged at the prices these days.
+1. These are motorcycle prices :duh:
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 11 Dec 2017, 10:25 pm
+1. These are motorcycle prices :duh:

Yup, otoh many parts are basically super-lightweight motorcycle parts and are made in far fewer numbers. Motorcycles are much more popular and enjoy economies of scale high end bike parts don't. You can also get bikes with lower end components that work fine and cost a less than a motorcycle.

My bike will be expensive but I ride it a couple times a week, often more.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 11 Dec 2017, 11:14 pm
OTOOH you can find motorcycles that will cost a lot more than these high end full suspension bikes. You can get an excellent full suspension bike for $2500 +/-.

If at this price point you think the bike weighs too much go on a diet. It's easier and cheaper to shed weight on oneself than it is on <30 lb. bike!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 12 Dec 2017, 01:55 am
As with audio equipment, you also get diminishing returns in bikes.  In general once you go past around $3,500 on a full suspension bike, you're just paying more money to lower the weight. 

If you don't have a local bike shop and are willing to buy online, you can usually get what you want for 30-50% off MSRP.  Example: https://www.steepandcheap.com/santa-cruz-bicycles-tallboy-carbon-cc-mountain-bike-frame-2017?skid=SNZ009Q-YELFOXPER-XL&ti=U2VhcmNoIFJlc3VsdHM6dGFsbGJveToxOjM6dGFsbGJveQ==
Thanks for the link! Unfortunately, I'm only 5'4" and need a small frame so those bigger frames won't work for me.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: FullRangeMan on 12 Dec 2017, 02:05 am
Yup, otoh many parts are basically super-lightweight motorcycle parts and are made in far fewer numbers. Motorcycles are much more popular and enjoy economies of scale high end bike parts don't. You can also get bikes with lower end components that work fine and cost a less than a motorcycle.

My bike will be expensive but I ride it a couple times a week, often more.
Gilding the pill.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 13 Dec 2017, 02:37 pm
My bike will be expensive but I ride it a couple times a week, often more.

Same here.  My wife and I ride at least 3x per week, and I have no problem spending money on something that's a LOT of fun and keeps us both in shape.  We also race competitively, so I typically spend even more to help keep the weight down on our builds.

I've seen the motorcycle argument come up time after time over the years, and it's mostly due to ignorance of the technology and how people are using the bikes.  Justifying bike prices to someone who doesn't ride is the same as justifying your audio equipment to someone who has never experienced a decent set of speakers.  Why would you spend $1,000 on a set of speakers when you can get a pair from walmart for $50 that play just as loud???
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 13 Dec 2017, 04:20 pm
Same here.  My wife and I ride at least 3x per week, and I have no problem spending money on something that's a LOT of fun and keeps us both in shape.  We also race competitively, so I typically spend even more to help keep the weight down on our builds.

I've seen the motorcycle argument come up time after time over the years, and it's mostly due to ignorance of the technology and how people are using the bikes.  Justifying bike prices to someone who doesn't ride is the same as justifying your audio equipment to someone who has never experienced a decent set of speakers.  Why would you spend $1,000 on a set of speakers when you can get a pair from walmart for $50 that play just as loud???

Yup, most won't understand. A top end mt bike at $10k is often a lot less than folks spend on a single piece of audio gear, and you can still get a very high end bike for half that price. Sure, it's not as cheap as hiking or trail running but it's not an expensive hobby relatively speaking. Racing anything with a motor in it is orders of magnitude more money.



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Folsom on 13 Dec 2017, 07:07 pm
Good bikes have parts that can last decades and centuries. Where as cheap ones will simply go to recycling if the parts are not continued. Shit bikes make me sad. I volunteered at a community bike shop for a long time, and the better parts stay better parts.

I suppose to some it's confusing how IMO the entry level bike is at about $1200, but funny enough you can get a real nice simple fixie built up for only like $2000 that exceeds the quality of a geared bike costing thousands more. Still, when you compare that to $120 at Wal-mart, sure, it must be confusing for some people. What isn't confusing is giving both a test ride and realizing one sucks ass, and the other makes you want to ride.

Trail running actually cost a lot in shoes. Running can cost more than bikes if someone is really avid with it. But that also depends on if the person on a bike sticks with it for X amount of years.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 20 Dec 2017, 05:13 am
My co-worker and his wife are serious bicyclists. When I mentioned to him that I was interested in a new mountain bike he told me of a company in Utah called Fezzari that sells direct. He and his wife both use Fezzari and they have been very happy with them. This is another option for me to consider.
https://www.fezzari.com/mountain-bikes
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ASCTLC on 20 Dec 2017, 12:23 pm
Reminds me of this youtube video of a Huffy MTB test Folsom.    For some, it's mildly good enough for a few years of paved type trail riding but for others who push themselves it's dangerous even for a one time use, it all depends on one's intended use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkMnk_eCDQU

I have a 2016 Specialized Stumpy FSR that'll out perform my current skills but may fall a little short of some of my friend's skills. One thing it won't do though is snap of some unexpected drop or significant hit like "looks the similar but super weak design" (referring to Huffy type build).
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 20 Dec 2017, 12:50 pm
My co-worker and his wife are serious bicyclists. When I mentioned to him that I was interested in a new mountain bike he told me of a company in Utah called Fezzari that sells direct. He and his wife both use Fezzari and they have been very happy with them. This is another option for me to consider.
https://www.fezzari.com/mountain-bikes

There at least 10 high end bike companies that sell direct. I found MTBR (Mountain Bike Review) to be an excellent site for details.

Bulls
Canyon
Airborne

are a few that come to mind.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 3 Jan 2018, 03:05 am
Thanks for the suggestions. I've decided to do a custom build and I ordered a Canfield Brothers Toir 29er frame with DVO Jade shock. I want a coil spring based fork and I'm considering the MRP Ribbon Coil. I'll be needing a 140mm fork and I'm open to other suggestions. Leaning toward Shimano drive train, SRAM brakes, and Stan's No Tubes wheelset. Open to suggestions on all components at this point.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 3 Jan 2018, 04:00 am
Thanks for the suggestions. I've decided to do a custom build and I ordered a Canfield Brothers Toir 29er frame with DVO Jade shock. I want a coil spring based fork and I'm considering the MRP Ribbon Coil. I'll be needing a 140mm fork and I'm open to other suggestions. Leaning toward Shimano drive train, SRAM brakes, and Stan's No Tubes wheelset. Open to suggestions on all components at this point.

Nice! I've rode a couple of Canfields and to this day the "One" is a friend's favorite bike he's ever owned and I remember Gene Hamilton of Better Ride clinics describe the Jedi as cheating some years ago.

Some parts suggestions...

Fox 36 Float Fork. You don't need metal springs.

Bikeyoke Revive dropper seat post.

SRAM drivetrain with Eagle HG 12sp and Descendent aluminum cranks. Go with an XO cassette if you want to fancy it up and lose some weight.

SRAM Guide RSC brakes with sintered metallic brake pads.

Light Bicycle wheelset, check out the asym 29er wheelset w DT 240 hubs. They have a US office now. Excellent value and the carbon rims are stiffer and accelerate faster vs alum, it's a decent difference. For a cheaper option look into a SRAM Rail 50 wheelset, they are on closeout for $500ish right now but might not have boost spacing...

Magic Mary 2.35 Addix Soft / Snakeskin front tire, Maxxis Tomahawk 2.3 3C EXO rear tire.

You might want to look into ordering some parts from overseas, like BikeDiscount.de... In the past I've bought Schwalbe and Michelin tires for less than US wholesale prices, often you can find better deals on some things if you look at some int'l options. Ebay often has take-offs, these are parts that are taken off brand new bikes or from build kits intended for OEM frames.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 3 Jan 2018, 08:46 pm
I would also like recommendations for an elliptical chain ring. Based on reviews I've seen the Absolute Black and Wolf Tooth Components are well regarded. If you have experience with these company's products I would be interested in your opinions.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 4 Jan 2018, 12:10 am
I've used 1up and AB oval rings, both are about the same, WT a little more conservative.

I went with an AB 32t oval ring w their guide/bash for my build. I like the oval ring, it feels like it puts power down more smoothly and makes for a more even cadence. Myself and friends who have tried it can't discern it's oval by pedaling it, it's pretty cool and I'm not going back to round. Be careful to order the right one for your cranks and spacing.

Also, for a front tire Maxxis DHF 3C EXO 2.3 or 2.5 is a good choice but Schwalbe MM is a little lighter with the 2.35 being about the same size as the Maxxis 2.5 and ~1/4lb lighter.  Both are really good front tires.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 4 Jan 2018, 04:13 am
I've used 1up and AB oval rings, both are about the same, WT a little more conservative.

I went with an AB 32t oval ring w their guide/bash for my build. I like the oval ring, it feels like it puts power down more smoothly and makes for a more even cadence. Myself and friends who have tried it can't discern it's oval by pedaling it, it's pretty cool and I'm not going back to round. Be careful to order the right one for your cranks and spacing.

Also, for a front tire Maxxis DHF 3C EXO 2.3 or 2.5 is a good choice but Schwalbe MM is a little lighter with the 2.35 being about the same size as the Maxxis 2.5 and ~1/4lb lighter.  Both are really good front tires.
Would you recommend changing the number of teeth on the chain ring using an elliptical? For the gear ratios I'm interested in, a 28 tooth round ring would be what I would use, but I don't know if it would be the same using an elliptical chain ring.
I'm leaning toward the Schwalbe Rock Razor for the rear tire and I'll look at your recommendations for the front.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: tdangelo on 5 Jan 2018, 01:56 pm
I would also like recommendations for an elliptical chain ring. Based on reviews I've seen the Absolute Black and Wolf Tooth Components are well regarded. If you have experience with these company's products I would be interested in your opinions.

I have a 30t Absolute on all 4 of my MTB’s. I’ve never dropped a chain on any of them and don’t use a chain guide. I think Absolute is more oval than the Wolf. Whenever I swap bikes with a friend the round ring makes my knee hurt after awhile LOL
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 5 Jan 2018, 03:09 pm
Would you recommend changing the number of teeth on the chain ring using an elliptical? For the gear ratios I'm interested in, a 28 tooth round ring would be what I would use, but I don't know if it would be the same using an elliptical chain ring.
I'm leaning toward the Schwalbe Rock Razor for the rear tire and I'll look at your recommendations for the front.

I'd keep the same teeth. 28t is pretty small. An advantage of going SRAM Eagle is using a larger front ring and having better overall ratio spread as the small rings make for smaller intervals like a car with a short final drive gearing. I use 30t on SRAM 11sp, but am going with a 32t for 12sp.

Rock Razor is a good tire but semi-slick rears do wear very quickly... they may have normal side knobs but braking and climbing traction don't stick around for long. The Tomahawk I recommended is somewhat in between, it has short center knobs but lasts longer than a semi-slick. If not Tomahawk I'd go Maxxis Aggressor. I recently tried Aggressor since a couple guys I know on Yeti's Enduro team are running them and I was surprised at how good they are for a less expensive "all-purpose" tire. They're a very good rear tire.   
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 5 Jan 2018, 06:29 pm
I got a reply from Absolute Black recommending I stay with the same tooth number so I'll be going with AB. Any opinions on Specialized tires? They have a good variety on their web site. I use their tubes in my road bike and I've been very happy.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 6 Jan 2018, 05:37 am
Great recommendations. I've settled on the Maxxis tires as they seem to be the best value.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: FullRangeMan on 6 Jan 2018, 10:39 am
Fat tires double as suspensions on the road.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 9 Jan 2018, 03:42 pm
Finally got it and went for a ride on Saturday, it does not suck.  :)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/jhaz9dcl9/20180107_164321.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l93y49vy1/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/bokbheebx/20180107_164414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l93y4a3nt/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/u44sesd0t/20180107_164454.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3vtnpesx5/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/fkxnddc65/20180107_164517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/c1bpnk9g9/)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 21 Jan 2018, 04:27 pm
I got a reply from Absolute Black recommending I stay with the same tooth number so I'll be going with AB. Any opinions on Specialized tires? They have a good variety on their web site. I use their tubes in my road bike and I've been very happy.

I run absolute black 32t on two of my singlespeeds. The first day I tried one, I set PR on the full loop of my local trail.  I see most of the benefits at a low cadence.  I find at high cadence, it makes it a little more difficult to be smooth.  I use oval on my singlespeeds which really helps on climbs, but stick with normal rings on my geared bikes.

Specialized tires aren't bad for the money.  I find I have to run the grid casing though or the tires just won't last.

I typically run maxxis, but have used a lot of different brands.  In general choosing the right size, tread pattern, compound, and protection level is more important than the brand.

My current favorite normal volume tire for all around use is the Maxxis Forekaster.  Not the best at any one particular thing, but it has no major downsides.  I know it's marketed as a mud tire, but I've raced them in lots of conditions, including dry hardpack.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 29 Jan 2018, 02:54 am
I ended up getting a Maxxis Agressor for the rear and a Schwalbe Nobby Nic for the front. They seem to be good all around tires.
I'm planning to do a build for my wife using a Guerrilla Gravity Shred Dogg frame. She is only 5 feet tall and weighs 100 pounds. Not many manufacturers making extra small frames. Guerrilla Gravity makes them though and they've been good at answering all of my questions. When I call, a human being answers the phone. That's impressive these days.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: coke on 29 Jan 2018, 05:49 pm
I ended up getting a Maxxis Agressor for the rear and a Schwalbe Nobby Nic for the front. They seem to be good all around tires.
I'm planning to do a build for my wife using a Guerrilla Gravity Shred Dogg frame. She is only 5 feet tall and weighs 100 pounds. Not many manufacturers making extra small frames. Guerrilla Gravity makes them though and they've been good at answering all of my questions. When I call, a human being answers the phone. That's impressive these days.

Liv bikes would be a potential option.  Those bikes are in women's sizes, which are typically about 1 smaller than men's.  A XS men's is roughly equivalent to a S women's.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: 2gumby2 on 30 Jan 2018, 04:29 am
Wish I'd known about Liv bikes as they look like a nice option, but I've already purchased all the components for the Shred Dogg build. My wife wants a black frame color so that's what she's getting. She is somewhat style conscious.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 14 May 2018, 06:10 pm
Mt Biking has been awesome here in CO, snow is melting fast!

(https://s20.postimg.cc/nad8rum4d/20180513_144423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m8329b3ax/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/fudz6aqrx/20180506_141324.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4usrup0cp/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/454febfhp/20180429_160424_Burst01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/454febfhl/)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: flat4 on 3 Jun 2018, 08:13 pm
Mt Biking has been awesome here in CO, snow is melting fast!

(https://s20.postimg.cc/nad8rum4d/20180513_144423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m8329b3ax/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/fudz6aqrx/20180506_141324.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4usrup0cp/)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/454febfhp/20180429_160424_Burst01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/454febfhl/)

Great pics Dave! I love riding in Co.. Been raining a lot here in Pa but still getting out quite a bit. I just ride between the rain drops. :D
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 3 Jun 2018, 11:46 pm
Hi Guys, just thought to pop in. My ride is a Specialized Enduro but I have been waiting almost 2 years for what should be the world's best folding bike. While street oriented, I will use it on milder off road. I paid half up front and the balance upon delivery. These kick starter projects are always behind. Check out the bike, it's cool and would make a great city transporter. Hey, and it's built in Canada.

https://www.helix.ca

Rocket Ronny
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: flat4 on 4 Jun 2018, 01:45 am
Hi Guys, just thought to pop in. My ride is a Specialized Enduro but I have been waiting almost 2 years for what should be the world's best folding bike. While street oriented, I will use it on milder off road. I paid half up front and the balance upon delivery. These kick starter projects are always behind. Check out the bike, it's cool and would make a great city transporter. Hey, and it's built in Canada.

https://www.helix.ca

Rocket Ronny


That would be an awesome commuter. Ti rides sweet and i would go for the 11 speed internal geared hub for less maintenance as i would commute with it in the rain.



Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 4 Jun 2018, 04:54 pm
Great pics Dave! I love riding in Co.. Been raining a lot here in Pa but still getting out quite a bit. I just ride between the rain drops. :D

Good to hear, don't let rain stop you! ...unless you're talking mud that packs the tires.  :green:   Luckily, that's rare around here and there's lots of decomposing granite that shrugs off water like nothing.

Here's one from South Boundary Trail last weekend, it goes from Angel Fire to Taos in NM, a few days later all the forests were closed due to fire danger, and a fire did break out in the Cimmaron area, not far from Angel Fire. Pic is of my friend Shawnee:

(https://s20.postimg.cc/71rljkyz1/20180528_130430.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xzlilbjm1/)

And one of me on the "Staircase of Doom" on South Saint Vrain Trail near Ward, CO. The photo flattened out the perspective, this section of trail requires full commitment. Once you start down this section of trail you're making it to the bottom one way or another, stopping is not an option!

(https://s20.postimg.cc/xzlilb46l/IMG_3131.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ASCTLC on 4 Jun 2018, 09:47 pm
That trail looks nice Dave!

Sadly, I'm already out for the summer.  Going downhill way too fast and missed my corner at Red Rocks (Colo. Spgs) week before last  :slap:  Ruined my golf season too.

Before
(https://i.imgur.com/YcO0hNq.jpg)
After
(https://i.imgur.com/I83mqex.jpg)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: stlrman on 5 Jun 2018, 12:53 am
Yikes , is that a triple fracture?
Get well soon !!
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: flat4 on 5 Jun 2018, 01:11 am
Good to hear, don't let rain stop you! ...unless you're talking mud that packs the tires.  :green:   Luckily, that's rare around here and there's lots of decomposing granite that shrugs off water like nothing.

Here's one from South Boundary Trail last weekend, it goes from Angel Fire to Taos in NM, a few days later all the forests were closed due to fire danger, and a fire did break out in the Cimmaron area, not far from Angel Fire. Pic is of my friend Shawnee:

(https://s20.postimg.cc/71rljkyz1/20180528_130430.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xzlilbjm1/)

And one of me on the "Staircase of Doom" on South Saint Vrain Trail near Ward, CO. The photo flattened out the perspective, this section of trail requires full commitment. Once you start down this section of trail you're making it to the bottom one way or another, stopping is not an option!

(https://s20.postimg.cc/xzlilb46l/IMG_3131.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Great pics Dave! I am very familiar with the decomposing granite there.I had a nice downhill crash in 2010 while on TDY in the Springs. The granite was nicely embedded into various contact points on the left side of my body. LOL

Yes pics seem to never do justice to how steep downhills are.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Endo2112 on 5 Jun 2018, 11:15 pm

Great stuff guys, love those trail shots, used to hit the big jumps back in the day but due to some health issues (AGE) I've not been spinning for a while,  but hopefully will start


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180963)
 again soon, here's a shot of my current ride. Thankfully I know Noel, the manufacturer.

Don
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: flat4 on 6 Jun 2018, 01:02 am
Great stuff guys, love those trail shots, used to hit the big jumps back in the day but due to some health issues (AGE) I've not been spinning for a while,  but hopefully will start


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180963)
 again soon, here's a shot of my current ride. Thankfully I know Noel, the manufacturer.

Don

51 in July and i keep riding mtb and dirt bikes. Don't let age stop ya. I love Knolly and hope to have one along side my Pivot 429t.

Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Endo2112 on 6 Jun 2018, 02:40 am
This is my second Knolly, best ride I've ever had period, and I've owned many.  This Warden is 27.5 as I've not quite gotten to the 29 inch wheels yet, apparently I'm a slow adapter, heck,  I just tried class D for the first time!! If you eventually get one, you will love it.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Tone Depth on 6 Jun 2018, 04:18 am
Here in the McDowell Sonoran desert, we're now riding at sunrise to get finished before it gets too hot.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=180964)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: DaveC113 on 6 Jun 2018, 03:21 pm
That trail looks nice Dave!

Sadly, I'm already out for the summer.  Going downhill way too fast and missed my corner at Red Rocks (Colo. Spgs) week before last  :slap:  Ruined my golf season too.


I hope you heal up and can get back to it quickly! Stay active is my best suggestion, people tend to give up and lose a ton of fitness when recovering, I've made that mistake... 

I injured my left shoulder about 1.5 years ago, it's no fun. I lost my long head bicep tendon, rotator cuff muscles have been weak but are now starting to get stronger. That bicep tendon was causing issues that are now clearing up after it ruptured. The surgeon calls it "Elway Arm" after John Elway's rupture in '97. He went on to win the superbowl that year and the next year so I should be ok. It looks weird though, more of the bicep muscle is near the forearm vs the right side.

Endo, a friend of mine still rides a Knolly Chilcotin (I think! :)), looks like the same bike but it's 26". There's getting to be a lot of older riders, keep doing it... it keeps us looking young! Yoga and weights seem to be   very important too. The 40+ age group is actually extremely fast at races here in CO, the winner of the 40+ category would have been top 20 in the pro category and beat the 21-39 y/o amateur winner easily. :)

Tone Depth, we're still busting through snow drifts here in CO! :)
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: ASCTLC on 6 Jun 2018, 04:50 pm
Thanks Dave, I'm trying/hoping.

Got 2 broken ribs too (in back near my spine) and these are the most painful part of all this.  Hurts to breath, hurts to walk, and sleeping sucks.  And I hear these take months to get over.  All on my dominant side  :cry:

Of course, I nearly dislocated the thumb on my non-dominant hand so very painful to make a fist and can't hold anything of any weight.  As most mtn bikers know, those "nearly dislocated" finger injuries always seem to take at least a year to get pain free.

At 54, I figure if I can do well to overcome 17 years of desk job I can surely get past a number of months with this.  But backpacking, archery hunting, shooting the big rifle elk hunting, and all the fun stuff that suits me is blown this year :roll:  Let's just hope I don't over compensate with increased cooking that I love to do.
Title: Re: Bicycling Off-Road
Post by: Doublej on 7 Jun 2018, 03:01 am
If it makes you feel any better... many years ago I was hiking up a mountain with a friend and as we were trekking along he said recently on this trail a mountain biker coming down missed a turn and went off the side of the mountain. RIP mountain biker.