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Title: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 2 Nov 2012, 10:54 pm
I had a V-1, traded it for a Super V kit a friend had ordered but wanted finished speakers
pronto....so lucky me.

It will take a while for the kit to arrive up here in Canada, and because I mostly work
out of town, it will take a while to build. I want a bit of a different look and this is what I
finally came up with, some may like it and some may not, thats ok, my V-1s were a bit different
and was happy with the way they turned out.

I'll document my build in this thread, they will be a bit more difficult than my previous builds,
but I think if I take my time I can turn out a nice, but bit different Super V.

Basically I've stuck to the plans for the top baffle, Danny explained that I needed sides for
the baffle to work properly, so they are to spec. The bottom is the same inside demensions,
just a thicker (2") wall size and a rounded top.

I just learned Sketch-up so still a little crude, but you'll get the drift.
Any suggestions or criticism is appreciated right now is just lines on paper.

Thanks

Perry


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70188)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70189)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70190)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70191)
 
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Peter J on 2 Nov 2012, 11:26 pm
You've got to name it Tombstone Super V  :)  Looking forward to seeing progress, curves are always challenging.

It looks like you're doing screenshots of your Sketchup model...correct? If you want to get rid of your constuction and guide lines for graphics you post, try this  File>Export>2D graphic    and stick that in some folder you can easily find...like this:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70194)

Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: ebag4 on 2 Nov 2012, 11:27 pm
Cool design Perry, can't wait to see the build! 

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: stevenkelby on 3 Nov 2012, 02:14 am
I love the look Perry  :thumb:

I love how you have changed the aesthetics and made it original,  but have not compromised the functionality at all so they should still sound as good as possible   :)

Will you put the filter network in that angled compartment on top?

What do you have in mind for the base? Will you put a bigger base on it or just leave it as is?

How will you build the curve? Thin sheets glued, stacked and then curved to dry?

What will you use, Ply or MDF?

I've used MDF a lot in the past for car audio sub boxes, furniture etc. but much preferred working with ply for my Super V build even though it's more work to finish the end grain. It smells nicer too :)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 15 Nov 2012, 10:51 pm
Been out of town for 2 weeks.....back today and whats at the post office??
6 big boxes...... :D
I forgot how much stuff Danny packs into these!
The Jupiter caps are cool looking.....the Bigger PAudio co-ax are just that...BIGGER
I've unpacked everything to check for damage....looks good....its amazing how
much floor space all the parts cover when laid out on the carpet.

Its been quite a while since my V-1 build...they were the last project, so I'm really looking forward to making dust...

I neglected to answer the questions asked on this thread.....sorry, working out of town
makes me spend just a little time on the interweb....but I've taken almost a month off
to look after the farm....(thats what I told my wife anyway, its really to build Super Vs)...
while my wife and daughter travel to France.

So yes, I want to put the x-over in the angled compartment, but I want a bronze plexi glass to cover it so you can see it....I did this on my V-1 Servo amp cabinets but it was too dark, you could barely see inside, this time will be much lighter.
Speaking of the amps, I've yet to design an enclosure for them. Spending tme with my V-1s I found that I played with the controls a lot, prob more than I should...but measuring with REW and placing two additional subs in the room I found myself tweaking a lot, so I want something that gives me better access to the rear...I'll have to figure something out.

I'm going to build the whole thing out of MDF, the sub compartments will be 1/2" Kerf cut to form the round, both inside and out side bends, this will leave a 1" gap between....the lower box is 2" wide...the void will be filled with a polymer type of thin set, these will be very heavy and inert.....I hope. Kinda like sand filled only concrete base instead. The inside void will be sealed first (probably Weldbond or diluted white glue)so the "wet" dosent ruin the MDF.

Thanks for the tip on Sketchup....I'm old and computers are still a mystery to me for the most part.

I'll take pics of all the parts Danny sent and post them later.....tomorrow its buying the
sheet goods day...I can hardly wait. I'm like a 52 yr old kid waiting for Santa..... 8)

Perry
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Peter J on 15 Nov 2012, 11:42 pm

I'm going to build the whole thing out of MDF, the sub compartments will be 1/2" Kerf cut to form the round, both inside and out side bends, this will leave a 1" gap between....the lower box is 2" wide...the void will be filled with a polymer type of thin set, these will be very heavy and inert.....I hope. Kinda like sand filled only concrete base instead. The inside void will be sealed first (probably Weldbond or diluted white glue)so the "wet" dosent ruin the MDF.

Thanks for the tip on Sketchup....I'm old and computers are still a mystery to me for the most part.

I'll take pics of all the parts Danny sent and post them later.....tomorrow its buying the
sheet goods day...I can hardly wait. I'm like a 52 yr old kid waiting for Santa..... 8)

Perry

Perry, I'm no spring chicken, and I barely scratch the surface of what Sketchup is capable of, but it's a cool tool.

FWIW, my understanding is that what makes sand effective at dissipating vibration is the very nature of it, (individual particles). It's more "fluid" than a monolithic mass and thus diffuses vibration better. Intuitively this makes sense to me, but I can't explain the science behind it.

Years ago I made some plinths for speakers out of concrete. Someone on a forum suggested that they would "ring" and actually make a poor coupling between speaker and floor. Tapping on them with a screwdriver did indeed produce a tink, tink sound so there may be validity to the assertion.

It sounds like you're thinking of using polymer modified thinset mortar. It has some limitations and may not produce the desired result. Might be worth it to mock up something. Manufacturers generally reccommend that its maximum thickness not exceed 1/4" because of shrinkage. In this case, you'd probably be better off with something like this;
http://www.laticrete.com/architects/products/thin_set_mortars_adhesives/medium_bed_mortar.aspx

Again, I can't back this up with anything but my seat-of-pants knowledge and observations, but it occurs to me that while mortar would certainly add mass to the stucture, sand would be more effective at diffusing vibrational energy.

Edited to add: Moisture in mortar will re-emulsify white glue or anything water based and absorb into the MDF. If you go that route, I suggest something more impervious like epoxy.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 16 Nov 2012, 12:17 am
Peter, thanks thats just the kind of input I need.
Its not a actual thinset its another product that doesnt shrink at all....BUT...
You make a great point, I should of thought about it my self.....I'll use sand.
Sometimes you get a idea and you just miss the obvious....sand would be less
work and less hassel....maybe its dementia....

Any other suggestions from anyone would be more than appreciated.
My ego takes a big back seat here....
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 16 Nov 2012, 01:20 am
Pics of the goods.....

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/SuperV6.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/SuperV10.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/SuperV5.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/SuperV11.jpg)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Dimfer on 16 Nov 2012, 11:02 am
Go Perry Go!

you know I want to hear this pair when you're done....

Fernando
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: playntheblues on 16 Nov 2012, 01:45 pm
Looks like candy  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Donald on 16 Nov 2012, 02:03 pm
Perry,

I envy the talent you guys have on this board. :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 26 Nov 2012, 11:35 pm
As of today I have one of the bottoms almost ready.
There is still a lot of work to be done....filling and sanding....
before painting, but you get the drift.
The second one is just drying from glueing up, so
I'll router that one tomorrow.

The sand has made them heavy already....55lbs went into
the 2 cabinets combined.

These were fun but a lot of work, looking forward to the top baffles,
they will be much easier.

Heres a few pics of how I built them...... :D

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/a5.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/a1.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/a8.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/a6.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/a112.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/a122.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/b1.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/b2.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/b4.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/D18.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/D8.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/D14.jpg)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: TomS on 26 Nov 2012, 11:48 pm
Wow, that is just too cool  8)

You have some serious creative juice.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Rocket_Ronny on 26 Nov 2012, 11:53 pm

Very nice and unique.

Must be that Alberta sunshine that inspired you.

Rocket_Ronny
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: HT cOz on 27 Nov 2012, 01:58 am
Perry this is going to be one of the best builds ever!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: ebag4 on 27 Nov 2012, 02:00 am
Perry this is going to be one of the best builds ever!
x2

Very cool Perry, I love the Wurlitzer vibe I am picking up.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: HAL on 27 Nov 2012, 02:02 am
Cool!  A baby Wurlitzer bubbler!  :D
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: stevenkelby on 27 Nov 2012, 02:03 am
Very impressive, well done Perry, going to be amazing!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 27 Nov 2012, 02:20 am
Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.

A rock solid beauty.

Guy 13
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: mykyll2727 on 27 Nov 2012, 03:26 am
Wow, that is just too cool  8)

You have some serious creative juice.


+1!!!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Danny Richie on 27 Nov 2012, 06:42 am
 :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Hank on 27 Nov 2012, 01:59 pm
good work!  I like the Wurlitzer vibes.  Juke Box Speakers.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 27 Nov 2012, 09:34 pm
Thanks for the encouragement
Theyre gonna be different looking..... :o

Did some work on the baffles today....
Will start on the sides tomorrow,
hope I dont screw up the shape of the wings,
think I have it figured now.....but well see.

2 sisters mocked up with the baffles:

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/topon1.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/topon4.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/topon5.jpg)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Ed VB on 28 Nov 2012, 01:02 am
Wow those are beautiful.

Do you have baffle/brace between the two servo subs?

I think I see it in the last picture.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Dimfer on 28 Nov 2012, 01:37 am
please reserve  :thumb:   :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 28 Nov 2012, 01:48 am

Do you have baffle/brace between the two servo subs?


There will be...just thought I'd leave it out till I was done sanding....eliminates
nasty corners to sand and fill to.

Thanks
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 28 Nov 2012, 01:50 am
please reserve  :thumb:   :thumb:

Fernando, I promise youll be one of the first to come over and listen..... :D
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Danny Richie on 28 Nov 2012, 02:05 am
If you are not careful you'll have to make some more of those. Everyone else is going to want them.
Title: !
Post by: corndog71 on 28 Nov 2012, 03:33 am
Wow! :o

At first I was thinking "what is he doing?"  Then it clicked in my mind.  You Sir are insane!  Insanely dedicated to an awesome idea! :thumb:

I've often though the bottom section needs to be "more" than what's in the design.    Like a great musician you make cabinet work look easy.  Brilliantly done!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Plund on 28 Nov 2012, 05:40 am
Thanks for sharing your inspiration...Very nice!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: stevenkelby on 28 Nov 2012, 05:44 am
Perry, are you putting a bigger base on them, or just feet on the current base? Looking awesome!

Steve.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Vectorone on 28 Nov 2012, 08:58 am
Perry

Those look great!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 28 Nov 2012, 10:32 pm
If you are not careful you'll have to make some more of those. Everyone else is going to want them.

Nope!.....this is a lot of work!.... :o
One and only pair I'm ever going to build.....but others can use the idea.....heck,
thats what the web is all about.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 28 Nov 2012, 10:34 pm
Perry, are you putting a bigger base on them, or just feet on the current base? Looking awesome!

Steve.

Just feet.....I have an idea for those as well...but theyll be underneath.
The base is wide...17 1/2" and with the sand they seem pretty stable.

Thanks
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 28 Nov 2012, 10:56 pm
Managed to cut all the pieces for the top baffle today and dryfit.
They look almost identical to the sketch I made at the beginning
of this thread.....but much nicer in person.... :wink:

I'm really happy with the way they are turning out.
My wife had the same "insane" comment as Corndog when
I told her, but not in as nice a way as his..... :nono:

The gussets sit on top of the round and support the plate for the x-over and the side wings.
So far so good...be a while before I fasten the top baffle down,
I want to do some finishing on the sub cabinet first.

Thanks for looking.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/dryfit10.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/dryfit2.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/dryfit16.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/dryfit4.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/dryfit13.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/dryfit12.jpg)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: TrungT on 28 Nov 2012, 11:00 pm
WOW
Look AWESOME
 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Early B. on 28 Nov 2012, 11:05 pm
Incredible!  Have you picked out the colors/veneer yet?

Is your wife gonna kill you for scratching up her table?  :o
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: SteveFord on 29 Nov 2012, 12:46 am
Something tells me he's capable of building another table!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Austin08 on 29 Nov 2012, 12:53 am
You got an excute to build your own a super V table, now.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: richidoo on 29 Nov 2012, 02:33 am
That is a very pretty speaker. You have artistic vision...  and great craftsman skills.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: SoCalWJS on 29 Nov 2012, 03:15 am
WOW
Look AWESOME
 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
+1
Those are going to be incredible!

(wish I had those woodworking skills :oops:)

Beautiful! :beer: :wine:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: NeilT on 29 Nov 2012, 03:37 pm
Very nice build and excellent design.
I love the living room themed shop.

Question, what kind of material did you use for the curved part.

Thanks for posting the pics.
Neil
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: brother love on 29 Nov 2012, 04:49 pm
PDR,

Love the design build symmetry.  8) 

Ingenious idea to sand fill around the perimeter of the bottom section.  I saw where you used 55# of sand, speaking of which ...

What are these puppies going to weigh after all is said & done ? 
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Andre2 on 29 Nov 2012, 05:30 pm
I too love the design....   :thumb:  :D
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 29 Nov 2012, 06:03 pm
Thanks for the compliments everyone!

The table is an old gear stand....so wife should be fine.

The curved top and bottom is made from bendable plywood.
The top is 1/8" thick and the inside curve is 1/4" thick.
The 1/4" has a layer of rubber sandwiched between the plys.
Its incredible stuff, will bend almost anyway you want.
I bought it from Windsor Plywood here in Sherwood Park Alberta.
It was about $50 a 4x8 sheet.

As far as finishing....no veneer. Veneer and I are not compatible...... :oops:
I have never had luck applying it and it would be beyond me to even think about
doing 1/2" curves.
I really like the looks that some of the Super V owners are getting from
automotive paint. I'll have to check out how to prep it for this...anyone thats
done this have any tips?
My room theme..... my Avatar....is black and red, so I'm thinking black, or
a deep burgandy like my gear table......I'll take suggestions though.

As far as the weight....I'll guess somewhere around 150lbs...I'll weigh them
when theyre done......I'll need a dolly to move them.

I'm gluing up the 2 top baffles today, I'll take a pic of them together.
The next couple of days will be building the amp enclosures and figuring
out the x-over.

Thanks for looking......................Perry
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: gregfisk on 29 Nov 2012, 06:21 pm
Perry, those are going to look fantastic painted whatever color you choose. I admire your ingenuity on thinking outside of the standard design and making it all come together. I have been thinking a bit about what could be done visually to the Super V for some time now myself. it's fun to make something that is your own design.

If you are going to spray paint these with a gun there is an automotive spray on primer that is really thick and fills in well. Then you just sand it and your ready for paint. You may want to use some bondo first for the worst areas and you should be good to go.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: persisting1 on 29 Nov 2012, 09:52 pm
Amazing build!

Are you only gluing the top portion to the 1/8" ply or are you also nailing/screwing?
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Rclark on 29 Nov 2012, 10:05 pm
Those are hands down the best looking. In fact, that's how they should be built, imo.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: dynaflo on 29 Nov 2012, 10:17 pm
The design also compliments the architectural curves in in you home.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 29 Nov 2012, 10:39 pm
Amazing build!

Are you only gluing the top portion to the 1/8" ply or are you also nailing/screwing?

I'll be screwing thru the gussets that sit on top of the round to the gussets inside the
sub box.....and using a lot of white glue for the flats and PL Premium as a caulking
glue on the sides. I work with PL Premium all the time.....its tremendous adhesive.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 29 Nov 2012, 10:47 pm
The design also compliments the architectural curves in in you home.

I like curves....the ones in the pictures of the fireplace I did as well....Its kind of what I do.
I'm a Supervisor for a wall and ceiling company.....fancy for framing/drywall....I build big buildings all over.....some are very fancy. My trade ticket says Lather, I have built everything from huge domes to groin ceilings out of lath and plaster, been doing this for 32 yrs.
Thats why its a real treat for me to do something like this out of wood....out of my element
but I can apply building techniques that I'm familiar with.

Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Ed VB on 29 Nov 2012, 11:49 pm
You are not out of your element! You are in, but just do not know it yet :wink:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 3 Dec 2012, 10:42 pm
Sanding, filling....more sanding....more sanding......more sanding.....

Soon I can start finish sanding and primer.

Atatched the top baffles today....
Finished the bottom of the fronts and backs...
You can see the rise I built in the back for
the sub amp and speaker connections.
Its loose right now but there is a channel that will let the
wires run from one end to another.
Once theyre in I'll fasten it down.

Thanks for looking!

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/E9.jpg)

Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: gregfisk on 3 Dec 2012, 10:49 pm
They look great Perry, what process will you use to paint them?

Greg
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: ebag4 on 4 Dec 2012, 11:05 pm
Fantastic build Perry, those are going to look incredible.  Can't wait to see them finished.

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 6 Dec 2012, 12:26 am
Sanding done.....whew.

Trying to get a painter right now.....waiting for a call.
Hope I dont have to wait till spring... :duh:

Tomorrow is the dividers for the subs, and
start the amp enclosures.

Grills after that.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71927)

Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: AKLegal on 6 Dec 2012, 01:44 am
PDR, how are you dealing with the seams to keep them from becoming visible again after the cabinets are painted? 
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: mykyll2727 on 6 Dec 2012, 02:29 am
Sanding done.....whew.

Trying to get a painter right now.....waiting for a call.
Hope I dont have to wait till spring... :duh:

Tomorrow is the dividers for the subs, and
start the amp enclosures.

Grills after that.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71927)




Awesome!!!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 7 Dec 2012, 09:54 pm
PDR, how are you dealing with the seams to keep them from becoming visible again after the cabinets are painted?

I use glazing putty.....not bondo...over the seems, it sands easy and works great for
hiding seems and sealing cut ends.

Heres a picture of it on the divider panel that goes between the 2 subs, before sanding.
Thats 2pcs of 1/2" MDF sandwiched together.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71960)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 7 Dec 2012, 10:00 pm
Built cross overs today.....tight fit but they make it.
Put castors on so I can move them around easier and
for painting....gets them off the floor, no theyre not staying... :wink:
Installed the divider panels between the subs.
Built grill backers and mocked one up with material I
had left over from my room treatment build. It looks good
so I'll use it since its on hand. I used 1/4" board and the
grills will be standoff about 1/2" away from the baffle.
The amp boxes will be temp mdf for now, I'm running
out of time.....my wife and daughter get back on Monday..
I'll build decent ones this spring.
Started these on Nov25, had to work 3 of those days so...
10 days in a temp 10'x10' shop set up in my office in
the basement......not bad, wish I had a shop!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71961)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71962)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71963)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=71964)



Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 9 Dec 2012, 06:30 pm
Drivers in for holes before paint, Grills completed.... :D


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72037)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72038)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72039)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72040)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Captainhemo on 9 Dec 2012, 07:28 pm
Looking  great. :thumb:
Bet you're getting anxious  !
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 12 Dec 2012, 09:23 pm
Decided to do my own finish.....glad I did, they turned
out very nice.....just debating on putting a shine on
them with some wipe on poly.

Wife is home now, she wants her room back... :nono:
So I put them into mine..... :D
Still have to wire them up and put the spikes on
but going out of town for a few days so that
will have to wait...yes I'm getting anxious....


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72236)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72237)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72238)


Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: AKLegal on 12 Dec 2012, 10:03 pm
Those look great.  Please elaborate on how you did the finish.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Early B. on 12 Dec 2012, 10:52 pm
Awesome!!!!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: DeeJayBump on 12 Dec 2012, 11:45 pm
They look phenomenal. Thanks for the posts, pix and updates of the process.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Captainhemo on 13 Dec 2012, 12:07 am
Very cool looking   :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Ed VB on 13 Dec 2012, 12:15 am
Are you going to install the NoRez?

Are you going to have a grill for the woofers?

Otherwise it looks fantastic.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 13 Dec 2012, 02:45 am
Those look great.  Please elaborate on how you did the finish.

Thanks!

Its a faux paint....really quite easy.
Base colour Burgundy, top colour is a vary dark brown.
Just topped them with wipe on poly and they popped....very cool.
They have the appearance of a dark stain on cherry wood.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 13 Dec 2012, 02:54 am
Are you going to install the NoRez?

Are you going to have a grill for the woofers?

Otherwise it looks fantastic.

Thanks

No bottom grills.....my V-1s were grill less for the last few yrs......I like the look,
and since I dont have WAF problems....at least in that room...I'm gonna keep them
like they are. I will paint the magnets black though. The P-Audio needed a covering... :wink:

Since no bottom grills, (and the 2" "Sand" sandwich construction on the sub enclosures) I think no-rez wouldnt look appropriate.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Ed VB on 13 Dec 2012, 03:57 am
Yes, that makes sense

They look really nice and so does all the other custom mods you did.

Detail! Its all in the Detail!!! 
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Mr. Oczka on 13 Dec 2012, 05:08 am
Your speakers look absolutely incredible!  If you don't mind, A couple of quick questions on the finishing of your cabinets....  I'm an endless beginner trying to gather info for my own build, if I ever make time for it.    What type of glue did you use?  You mentioned PL Premium.  Did you actually use that as glue?  Will that type of product paint or stain well? What type of primer did you use on mdf?  I have looked at the primer selection at home depot and there are many to chose from.  I just don't know what would work best.  My last questions would be about the paint.  Do you mind sharing what brand of paint you used and how it was applied?  The color that you chose is perfect.  I appreciate any guidance.  Thanks,

Tom
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: mykyll2727 on 13 Dec 2012, 07:53 am
Outstanding build in every way!!! I love 'em. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: persisting1 on 13 Dec 2012, 09:51 am
Custom builds are always great. Especially fast builds like this. You have to keep your fans happy.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: django11 on 13 Dec 2012, 12:59 pm
Great design.  Great execution. :rock:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 13 Dec 2012, 02:08 pm
Hi all Audio Circle members.
Unique and well done.
Congratulation.
Guy 13
(I wish I could do the same...)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 14 Dec 2012, 05:43 am
Your speakers look absolutely incredible!  If you don't mind, A couple of quick questions on the finishing of your cabinets....  I'm an endless beginner trying to gather info for my own build, if I ever make time for it.    What type of glue did you use?  You mentioned PL Premium.  Did you actually use that as glue?  Will that type of product paint or stain well? What type of primer did you use on mdf?  I have looked at the primer selection at home depot and there are many to chose from.  I just don't know what would work best.  My last questions would be about the paint.  Do you mind sharing what brand of paint you used and how it was applied?  The color that you chose is perfect.  I appreciate any guidance.  Thanks,

Tom

Thanks

I used carpenters white glue for the construction of the cabinets.
I used PL Premium to glue the top baffle on, but used long screws as well.
No, neither will stain well.
I used a skim coat of wood filler to fill the grain of the wood, then sanded smooth.
Since I was thinking of Auto paint, the gray primer is an auto primer to fill scratches.
But most was sanded off...the thinking was the Autobody place would prime before paint.
The paint I used was self priming, Behr premium....yep from home depot.
First a coat of deep burgundy, then a deep brown mixed 4-1 wit faux glaze....4 parts glaze.
it was applied with a sea sponge...small pieces about 2" square.
The first was a rough sporadic application, the second was a light coat that covered everything......easy to do, just practice first on scrap pieces.
The pictures above were before the min-wax wipe on poly was applied.....
they really popped with the wipe on, I'll post pics of them when complete.
I'll try to take better pics then as well, these pics really dont show them properly.

Perry
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: stevenkelby on 14 Dec 2012, 07:45 am
Sounds great. How many coats of wipe on will you do? Satin or gloss? And do you sand between coats?

Steve.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Mr. Oczka on 14 Dec 2012, 02:36 pm
Thank you for the finishing info! 

Tom
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 21 Dec 2012, 12:21 am
So......these are really nice!
I am enjoying them, they sound better everyday.....nice!

I'll end this build thread with a few finished pics.

Everything is done but the floor spikes, and I want to
be able to move them around till I find the perfect spot,
so no spikes till then.

There is a extra set of binding posts, these are for the amps, as
I use high level connection....at least for now. I thought it would
be a nice option to have, I had to spade my connections for them
on my V-1s.

I've covered the x-over lid with vinyl and screwed it down.
The wires to the drivers are covered with tech-flex and
are not as messy as the pic makes them out to be...

Applied another coat of wipe on poly...it will be the last...
its still wet in places, why there is a glare on some of the
pics.

Pulled the stickers off the front subs and painted the
silver parts black.....this needs one more coat, I'll get
to it over the holidays. You see no wires from the front,
there are holes drilled beside the the clips, so only a
coupe of inches. It looks very clean from the front.

Thanks for all the great compliments and encouragement
from you guys, means a lot. These were really fun to
build and sound incredible!

Perry

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72586)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72587)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72588)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72589)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72590)





 
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: jeffh on 21 Dec 2012, 02:51 am
 :thumb: Super Nice Build!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: stevenkelby on 21 Dec 2012, 04:18 am
Congratulations Perry, they look amazing! You've achieved a lot in a very short time.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 21 Dec 2012, 08:07 am
Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.
What can I say about your super - extraordinary - exclusive - beautiful speakers.
Some people can do amazing things (That's you) and some others cannot do much. (That's me.)
Bravo.

Guy 13

What will be your next built and please,
don't tell us this is your last built.
 
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: ebag4 on 21 Dec 2012, 06:38 pm
A great looking build Perry! :thumb: :thumb:  I really like the way you set up the connections in the bottom rear.  I look forward to reading your comments regarding the sound vs the V1s.  Have a great holiday!!

Best,
Ed
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: jimdgoulding on 21 Dec 2012, 08:10 pm
You, good sir, are an artisan extrodinaire.  Fabulous work.  I'd love to hear your speakers in action, too.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Dimfer on 7 Jan 2013, 01:41 am
nicely done Perry. Congrats!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 7 Jan 2013, 02:04 am
A great looking build Perry! :thumb: :thumb:  I really like the way you set up the connections in the bottom rear.  I look forward to reading your comments regarding the sound vs the V1s.  Have a great holiday!!

Best,
Ed

Thanks Ed........these are taking forever to break in......or maybe its the holidays and I cant get much time on them...lol
There are some differences right off the bat, but I've only had about 20hrs on these, once i get 100 or so I'll post my impressions.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 7 Jan 2013, 02:06 am

What will be your next built and please,
don't tell us this is your last built.

There will be others, just not sure whats next....maybe a pair of X-statik for the living room.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 7 Jan 2013, 02:07 am
nicely done Perry. Congrats!

Thanks Fernando, as soon as they are settled I'd like you to come over for a listen
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 7 Jan 2013, 02:18 am
Couple of pics by a friend of mine. These show the true colors much better.
Badges on and wipe on poly complete.
Magnets painted black......no spikes yet still experimenting.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73487)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73490)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73488)





Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: persisting1 on 7 Jan 2013, 03:00 am
I know I can loose myself in that listening room. Like a bottle of fine wine, this room keeps getting better.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: corndog71 on 7 Jan 2013, 04:26 pm
There will be others, just not sure whats next....maybe a pair of X-statik for the living room.

Great idea!  You will not be disappointed.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 8 Jan 2013, 08:37 am
Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.
Where are all the wires ? ? ?
(Speakers cables and interconnects.)
The ambiance of the room look relaxing.
What kind of music do you listen to with those super speakers?
Guy 13
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 8 Jan 2013, 09:40 am
Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.
Did you build yourself the diffuser on the wall?
What are the make, models of the absorber panels
and yes, more questions,
what is the make - model of the amplifier that drives those
magnificient speakers?
Guy 13
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 8 Jan 2013, 11:48 pm
Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.
Where are all the wires ? ? ?
(Speakers cables and interconnects.)
The ambiance of the room look relaxing.
What kind of music do you listen to with those super speakers?
Guy 13

Remember that friend that took the pic.....well, she rubbed them out.
She thought the pic looked better that way.... :roll:
I thanked her, she spent time and effort on them for me.
Wife gave a big smile when she saw them gone.....she knew.
Its nice to have friends like that, she`s a real sweetheart.

All kinds of music Guy......cept rap, that techno dance haze stuff, not much classical either, but a little.
I find myself listening to more relaxing tunes the older I get.
Katie Melua is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 8 Jan 2013, 11:52 pm
Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.
Did you build yourself the diffuser on the wall?
What are the make, models of the absorber panels
and yes, more questions,
what is the make - model of the amplifier that drives those
magnificient speakers?
Guy 13

I built everything in the room Guy.....QRD, panels, gear stand, bass traps.....I even built the room itself.... :lol:
It use to be my single attached garage.

The amp is a Musical Paradise MP-401.
Designed and sold by Gary Huang here in Edmonton.
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Danny Richie on 9 Jan 2013, 12:12 am
Quote
Katie Melua is one of my favorites.

Oh yeah!  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Captainhemo on 9 Jan 2013, 12:44 am
Oh yeah!  :thumb:
Any particular album a good starter  ?

-jay7
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Danny Richie on 9 Jan 2013, 01:16 am
Any particular album a good starter  ?

-jay7

Youtube her.  :)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Captainhemo on 9 Jan 2013, 01:34 am
Youtube her.  :)

Yeah,  was just curious if there was a particular album that stands out.
There is 7 of them on  Fdio, just started listening to "Piece by Piece"
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: TrungT on 9 Jan 2013, 02:22 am
"just Like Heaven"  :thumb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zg3RM7C6x8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zg3RM7C6x8)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Danny Richie on 9 Jan 2013, 03:08 am
Yeah,  was just curious if there was a particular album that stands out.
There is 7 of them on  Fdio, just started listening to "Piece by Piece"

What? I didn't know she had that many albums. I have Piece by Piece. It's good.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Captainhemo on 9 Jan 2013, 03:17 am
What? I didn't know she had that many albums. I have Piece by Piece. It's good.  :thumb:

Well, after lloing a bit closer,  2 of those allbums are singles, and one has 4 sons.  So I guess you'd call it 4 albums although they are all shown as albums.
In any event,  she is  good

Sorry for "hijacking" your thread Perry

-jay
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 9 Jan 2013, 03:40 am
No probem.......I have 6 of her CDs......she just came out with a new one....dont have it yet

I would buy the Katie Melua Collection.....very nice.

These are very well recorded albums.....on the Dramatico label

check this out http://dramatico.com/artists_katiemelua.html
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Captainhemo on 9 Jan 2013, 04:10 am
That's a good article about her.  She has sure accomplished a lot.  I hadn't even heard of her before, mind you ,   this area of music is pretty   new to me.  It's funny you mention  how  you are listening to mellower tunes as you  get older,  man  5 years ago  I would have never listened to anything like this.
I have actually  noticed   that since  I built my N3's,   I have really  started listening to  a much  wider variety of music  I'm not saying I never crank up the Metallica  or Priest anymore,  but definitely a lot less often .  haha, last night I listened to "the Micheal Buble Collection",  not long ago,   that  would have never made it inside my  home !  How things change

-jay
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 9 Jan 2013, 10:42 am
Remember that friend that took the pic.....well, she rubbed them out.
She thought the pic looked better that way.... :roll:
I thanked her, she spent time and effort on them for me.
Wife gave a big smile when she saw them gone.....she knew.
Its nice to have friends like that, she`s a real sweetheart.

All kinds of music Guy......cept rap, that techno dance haze stuff, not much classical either, but a little.
I find myself listening to more relaxing tunes the older I get.
Katie Melua is one of my favorites.

Hi PDR and all Audio Circle members.
My listening room is crawling with wires everywhere,
it's a real spaghetti junction.
That's why my listening room is in my penthouse
where my wife as limited access. (LOL)
I have noticed that I also listen more often to relaxing music,
normal, I'm soon to be 65 years old.
Guy 13
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Guy 13 on 9 Jan 2013, 10:45 am
I built everything in the room Guy.....QRD, panels, gear stand, bass traps.....I even built the room itself.... :lol:
It use to be my single attached garage.

The amp is a Musical Paradise MP-401.
Designed and sold by Gary Huang here in Edmonton.
Hi (Again) PDR and all Audio Circle members.
You live in Edmonton, no wonder you use a tube amplifier for heating
your ex-garage in January. (LOL)
Guy 13
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Hank on 9 Jan 2013, 05:57 pm
Gy13 - you are so funny with your house and wife remarks: "limited access"   :lol:
I'm soon to be 66. :o
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Jonathon Janusz on 12 Jan 2013, 04:55 pm
Perry, what kind of paint did you use and how did you apply it to the magnet on the lower woofer?  I've seen some folks paint their drivers (including the coax), and am curious how people have done this without getting paint all over everywhere?  Is it a whole lot of masking tape and sprays or a careful hand with a roller/brush?

Thanks!
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: PDR on 12 Jan 2013, 05:42 pm
Perry, what kind of paint did you use and how did you apply it to the magnet on the lower woofer?  I've seen some folks paint their drivers (including the coax), and am curious how people have done this without getting paint all over everywhere?  Is it a whole lot of masking tape and sprays or a careful hand with a roller/brush?

Thanks!

It was the masking tape, newspaper and semi-gloss in a can method... :D
Wasnt as difficult as I thought once I started.......maybe 10mins a side.
I thought about painting the PAudio driver before install, but the tweeter mag is already black
and it looks good as it is.

I made sure to stuff the vent hole before painting, then pulled the stuffing out with tweezers.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm170/PDRCanada/Perry-Jan12013sm-0661_zps9e29896b.jpg)
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: stevenkelby on 13 Jan 2013, 01:22 am
Thanks for that close up pic Perry, looks even better close up!

What feet did you use?
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Odal3 on 14 May 2016, 02:59 am
Hope you don't mind me asking questions even if the thread is old.

What's the trick to bend the plywood? Do you use any specific method to make it bend and stick easier?
Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on 14 May 2016, 12:52 pm

The curved top and bottom is made from bendable plywood.
The top is 1/8" thick and the inside curve is 1/4" thick.
The 1/4" has a layer of rubber sandwiched between the plys.
Its incredible stuff, will bend almost anyway you want.
I bought it from Windsor Plywood here in Sherwood Park Alberta.
It was about $50 a 4x8 sheet.


Title: Re: PDR Super V build
Post by: Odal3 on 14 May 2016, 01:05 pm
Thanks Marvin - completely missed that. Thought you had to apply steam or something.