JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!

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maty

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #60 on: 19 Mar 2018, 03:38 pm »
With bad recordings, JBL is a champion. Or with TV, films...

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #61 on: 19 Mar 2018, 03:45 pm »
https://www.thomann.de/gb/active_nearfield_monitors.html?oa=pra

-> https://www.thomann.de/gb/mackie_mr5_mk3.htm €117, old series


-> https://www.thomann.de/gb/mackie_mr524.htm €145, new series. With waveguide

Amazon.com $129.99 + free shipping !!! And with class AB.

[Customer reviews] https://www.amazon.com/Mackie-MR524-Powered-Studio-Monitor/product-reviews/B073WN6WQJ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewopt_rvwer?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=avp_only_reviews&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=1


Maybe the very new cheap Adam!

-> https://www.thomann.de/gb/adam_t5v.htm €169


To listen very good recordings, the cheaper is the Focal Alpha 50 I think. Class AB amplifiers.


Much more expensive, class AB and very very very good waveguide. And front bass-reflex -> more easy to place, like Focal.

-> https://www.thomann.de/gb/neumann_kh_120_a.htm €649

[Measures] http://kenrockwell.com/audio/neumann/kh-120-a.htm

[German measures] https://www.hifi-selbstbau.de/testberichte/fertiglautsprecher/470-neumann-kh-120a

charmerci

Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #62 on: 19 Mar 2018, 04:10 pm »
That's better!  :thumb:


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« Reply #64 on: 19 Mar 2018, 06:35 pm »
[French review] Focal Alpha 50

https://fr.audiofanzine.com/enceinte-active/focal/alpha-50/editorial/tests/focalpha.html

[IMG] https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/948527.png

Focal Alpha 50 en jaune et Dynaudio BM5 mkIII en bleu

* Focal Alpha 50: 258 €

* Dynaudio BM5 MKIII: 389 €

Off course. The key is in what kind of music you listen to and its recording quality. Modern/commercial music is very bad mastered, very bad. With DR < 8, 9 or 10 dB. And if it is over in MP3 or other loussy formats ... it is ilogical to spend a lot of money on the audio system.

I always emphasize that I mean very good recordings.

There are more measures in Diyaudio thread.

So if I like the JBL's, I must listen to bad recordings?   :roll:

I'm done here.

maty

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #65 on: 19 Mar 2018, 06:44 pm »
Just now I was listening a very good 24/192 vinyl rip (1960). Great music and interpretation. And beauty. With my cheap tweaked KEF Q100 coaxial speakers.

Pierre Fournier , Cello · Friedrich Gulda , Piano - Ludwig van Beethoven ‎– Cellosonate D-dur Op. 102 Nr. 2 · Variationen Über Themen Von Händel Und Mozart (Cello Sonata In D Major, Op. 102, No. 2 · Variations On Themes By Händel And Mozart)

https://www.discogs.com/Pierre-Fournier-Cello-Friedrich-Gulda-Piano-Ludwig-van-Beethoven-Cellosonate-D-dur-Op-102-Nr-2-Varia/master/1099160


 DR      Peak      RMS      Filename
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 DR13      -1.81 dB    -19.16 dB    A1 LvB - Sonate Fuer Klavier Und Violoncello A-Dur Op.69 - Allegro, Ma Non Tanto.aif
 DR12      -1.44 dB    -18.87 dB    A2 LvB - Sonate Fuer Klavier Und Violoncello A-Dur Op.69 - Scherzo- Allegro Molto.aif
 DR13      -0.83 dB    -20.02 dB    A3 LvB - Sonate Fuer Klavier Und Violoncello A-Dur Op.69 - Adagio Cantabile - Allegro Vivace.aif
 DR15      -1.77 dB    -20.84 dB    B1 LvB - Sonate Fuer Klavier Und Violoncello C-Dur Op.102 Nr.1 - Andante - Allegro Vivace.aif
 DR15      -0.74 dB    -20.81 dB    B2 LvB - Sonate Fuer Klavier Und Violoncello C-Dur Op.102 Nr.1 - Adagio - Tempo D'Andante - Allegro Vivace.aif
 DR13      -1.88 dB    -19.29 dB    B3  Sieben Variationen Ueber Das Duett 'Bei Maennern, Welche Liebe Fuehlen' Von Mozart.aif
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 Number of files:   6
 Official DR value:   DR14

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CD Edition

[Customer reviews] https://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Complete-Works-Cello-Sonatas/product-reviews/B000025HM3/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_top?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews#


This is a very good recording.

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #66 on: 19 Mar 2018, 07:35 pm »
We need a shootout of $150 each studio monitors!

JBL
KRK
Mackie
Behringer
Yamaha

And how exactly does one put the .wav file into foobar? I have installed the convolver but can figure out how to add the file.

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« Reply #67 on: 24 Mar 2018, 10:42 am »
We need a shootout of $150 each studio monitors!

JBL
KRK
Mackie
Behringer
Yamaha

And how exactly does one put the .wav file into foobar? I have installed the convolver but can figure out how to add the file.

A brief audition at any Guitar Center should convince you that no shootout is necessary.  JBL will stomp the rest.

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #68 on: 24 Mar 2018, 10:58 am »
With bad recordings, JBL is a champion. Or with TV, films...

Old or new Mackie MR524 with the waveguide like JBL?

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #69 on: 24 Mar 2018, 11:11 am »
Copy foo_convolve.dll in foobar2000/components.

Make a folder to the FIR.wav. Maybe foobar2000/FIR files

Import the impulse file.


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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #70 on: 6 Apr 2018, 06:21 pm »
https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/distortion-cancellation-experiment.1843/

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Using REW, send a 450Hz tone at -20dB to the system (JBL LSR 308 speakers), take an RTA with UMIK-1.

Note high level of 3rd harmonic distortion in the speaker output.

It is clearly audible.


H3 is only 40 dB below H1 !!!!!  vade retro  :nono:  :nono:  :nono:

You know, cheap class D amp.

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #71 on: 7 Apr 2018, 12:39 am »
A brief audition at any Guitar Center should convince you that no shootout is necessary.  JBL will stomp the rest.
Correct . I have done what you said . The JBL had the the most neutral sound out of that list .

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #72 on: 15 Apr 2018, 08:45 pm »
I see you are on another roll, Maty. I think you have beaten this subject to death, pages ago.

I am curious—have you heard the JBL 305Ps? In comparison with your KEF Q100s?

As to hiss, I'll bet that mainly reflects incompetant gain staging—a common occurence in my exerience; it's not easy to know where to get your gain from when you have multiple gain stages in series. The usual advice is to try to get most gain from the highest quality gainstage. Also, in some cheaper gear, the +4dB input is attenuated internally to -10dB, requiring 14 dB more gain for the same output level. In this case, better s/n performance is achieved using the -10dB input thus bypassing the internal attenuators.

The real bottom line is hilariously expressed in Macrojack's post:

You gotta wonder just where JBL gets off marketing an inexpensive active 2 way studio monitor that generates universal praise and hogs the industry awards without exceeding state of the art standards or proving itself to be utterly and unanimously without the smallest fault. Pretty cheeky, I'd say. They charge like $149 each for these things and don't even offer chartreuse or mauve. Plus, they aren't even made in the USA and you have to get them from those clueless pro audio types. Hello????

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #73 on: 15 Apr 2018, 09:11 pm »
I have not listen the new JBL 305P and I have no interest in it.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/3-series-mkii/305p-mkii#Specs

4.73 kg (10.43 lbs)

More big, with amplifier inside and only 4.73 Kg. KEF Q100: 5.9 kg (13.0 lbs)

This week, after added mass my cheap tweaked KEF Q100 sounds better! I will try with more mass.

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #74 on: 15 Apr 2018, 09:49 pm »
At Amazon prices, the JBL 305P Mk II is $300/pair, and the KEF Q100 is $250/pair... without an amplifier.  So you have $50 to spend on an amplifier powerful enough to drive the 86 dB/2.83V/1m sensitive KEFs to the same levels as the JBL.  That's a tall order.  Oh, and don't forget to save some of your $50 for the speaker cables that you also need to buy for the KEF...

Of course the amps in the JBL are inexpensive - they designed it to a price point.  I don't doubt that the KEF is worth considering at its price (and I like their UniQ concept), but make sure that you're comparing apples to apples when you critique it.

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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #75 on: 16 Apr 2018, 03:51 am »

I have not listen the new JBL 305P and I have no interest in it.


Then may I suggest you stop these ridiculous posts. You have wasted enough time and misdirected too many people in your mindless blatherings.

I am starting to think that in real life you may resemble your avatar.


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Re: JBL LSR305 MKII's are out!
« Reply #76 on: 16 Apr 2018, 04:54 am »
I thought that near field, such as a desktop, the jBL sounded very good, smooth. However, in a room setting it was not as impressive, missing energy up top, closed in. But then it's probably designed for just that.

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« Reply #77 on: 16 Apr 2018, 07:16 am »
@brj

I only commented on another weakness of the JBL.

With excellents recordings, Focal Alpha 50 is a safe bet.

To listen the commercial music after the eighties/nineties, with DR 9, 8 , 7 , 6... or films the JBL is a champion. If you hear only bad recordings it does not make sense to spend a lot of money on the music system.

What is the point of buying a sports car if it is going to be used on dirt tracks? To show off maybe.

Something similar happened to me with my disastrous mains. It did not make sense to buy a new and expensive amplifier if I did not solve my problems before. As I improve I detect bottlenecks; the last one is the KEF Q100.

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« Reply #78 on: 16 Apr 2018, 07:25 am »
The new JBL 305P still not for sale in Europe. I am not interested in listening either because they are an evolution of the old and I LISTEN very good recordings 99% of time.

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« Reply #79 on: 16 Apr 2018, 08:09 am »
Mackie MR824 powered studio monitors review

http://allthingsgear.com/mackie-mr824-monitor-review/

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Bass is well-rounded and strong without going over-the-top — which exactly what you would want from a pair of monitors that you’ll likely end up mixing on. The bass extension is quite a lot deeper than our old MR5 MKII speakers, but even when the speakers were mounted closer to the wall, which typically causes the bass to sound overblown, we didn’t experience anything beyond a small bump in the 130-140Hz area — which was actually subdued a little with the acoustic switch set to the right option. That makes a pretty serious case for Mackie’s acoustic switch — we can safely say that it’s not just a gimmick, despite our skepticism when we first got the speakers.


Mackie MR624 6.5" Powered Studio Monitor

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MR624--mackie-mr624-6.5-inch-powered-studio-monitor

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Pleasantly Surprised

I have 10+ years experience producing music full time. i'll be honest, i'm currently working with a pair of Adam 7x's and Dynaudio BM5's and I was looking for a 'junk' pair of monitors to use as a random reference   point. I purchased these Mackie's without having listened to them and only because they were the right size and color. I hopped into a mix the day I got them (something I never do because I like to learn them first) and I was shocked. They suited my room and my ear perfectly. I've actually been using them more than my Adam/Sub combo. I do Hip Hop and Pop and I could probably get rid of my sub now. On top of all that they are translating extremely well! So surprised a pair of monitors under $400 are working this well for me. That being said I'm replacing my Dynaudio with these Mackie's. You don't need a brand name and a high price tag to get it done.