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Title: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 14 Jun 2016, 07:17 am
Now that we have shipped WR-100 (multi-zone WiFi audio receiver/renderer) and release the NuPrime iOS and Android app, this sticky topic is for discussing all matters related to WR-100, the App, and DLNA.  We will update the website FAQ as we have more answers to frequently asked questions.

The following FAQ will be updated as we have more information.
What DLNA server has been tested with WR-100?
1. Synology
2. Plex

Do you plan to support Tidal?
Yes, we do in future release.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 14 Jun 2016, 02:38 pm
I installed Plex on MacBook Pro and just tested that it works. I accidentally played loud music to my living room speakers and got a warning from wife!
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 14 Jun 2016, 04:24 pm
Feel free to tell us about your DLNA and NAS setup.  I find that the Synology Diskstation (I have DS213j) easy to use and provide both NAS and media server capability. It is also configured as RAID1 for fault tolerant using dual 4G drives.

For those of you who are not familiar with how it works, instead of going into the technical details, this is what it will provide:
1. A file server on your home network (i.e. NAS) where you can store all your files.  Note that fault tolerant is not the same as back up. Fault tolerant ensures that you never lose your data, even between backups. But only proper backups can create historical versions of your files. I have my photo, video and music files all stored on DS213J.  Since these are data that I don't need to back up, the fault tolerant feature provides enough protection.
For my most precious data, I also copy them to iCloud.

2. Synology provides a lot of tools for playing music and videos remotely on your mobile devices. It also does transcoding - meaning it will convert the video format on the fly to your mobile device.  So I can watch any of the movies from my iPad using the DS Video app.  The recent firmware upgrade is wonderful, the video server pull album art and movie rating from online database, very cool.

WR-100 and NuPrime app
The app can detect DLNA servers on the network (in addition to online services and local music on the phone). To stream music to multiple rooms or to any room, I will have to use WR-100.

HD-AVP (I use HD-AVA since I don't have other amps)
HD-AVA is connected to my NuForce S-9 speakers so when I want to enjoy living room system, the HD-AVA can access the movies and musics from Synology server.  A WR-100 is connected to it for streaming of Spotify music. Apple music gets stream through AirPlay on HD-AVA.

What I can try next is to setup Plex (another media server) on Raspberry Pi (that $39 linux computer). See another topic about this.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: jpm on 14 Jun 2016, 11:38 pm
Sounds like a very interesting product - I'll be keeping an eye out for impressions.

BTW - Plex server runs very well on Synology NAS devices (at least it has on my DS1812+ and DS1815+).

It's always worth mentioning the value of a UPS for NAS devices. That inexpensive device which can allow your NAS to shut down gracefully during an outage is well worthwhile!
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: larsg on 19 Jun 2016, 05:51 pm
Works perfect with Netgear ReadyNAS with firmware 6.5.0
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues - LMS?
Post by: mfwalker1 on 20 Jun 2016, 05:28 am
Hi,
I have received my WR-100 and I am enjoying exploring the device.
This question may be better answered on the Slimdevices forum, but has any-one had success streaming FLAC from a LMS(7.8 )/Windows server?
It only seems to work with MP3s.
Navigating to a folder containg FLAC files resulted in a 'nothing to play here' message.
I installed PLEX ox on the PC, and there were my FLAC files...
I don't really want to have two DLNA servers running at once.
Regards,
Matt W
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 20 Jun 2016, 07:01 pm
To verify whether this is a Nuprime app or the LMS(7.8 )/Windows server problem, try using another DLNA client.  If the DLNA client app on your smartphone also can't see the files on LMS, then it is the LMS problem.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: Bwilson1 on 1 Jul 2016, 04:33 pm
I am successful in streaming Rhapsody to the WR-100 but the signal seems to be re-sampled to 48 kHz as this is what is shown on the display of my IDA-8.

Is this correct ?  Why resample ?  Will this be changed in the future to send at the native sampling rate of 44.1 KHz ?

Please advise
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 8 Jul 2016, 09:07 am
Oh, it doesn't get resampled to 48kHz. When IDA-8 was first designed, the digital port was only used for bluetooth dongle, so the display was fixed at 48kHz instead of detecting the actual digital signal's sampling rate.
If you connect WR-100 to DAC-9, it will show the actual sampling rate, up to 96kHz due to limitation of the optical SPDIF.
So don't worry, your high-res music are not being down sampled or re-sampled.
Or you can connect the WR-100 optical output to the optical input of IDA-8, you will see the sampling rate being displayed. Actually you can simultaneously connect the WR-100 digital/power micro USB port to IDA-8 digital port, and WR-100 optical output to IDA-8 input just to compare.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: Bwilson1 on 11 Jul 2016, 01:27 am
Thanks for the clarification.  Any estimate on when Tidal streaming will be available ?

Thanks
Eric
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 11 Jul 2016, 10:35 pm
There is another bug we are investigating.
For the NuPrime iOS app, for some DLNA servers, it can navigate to directory level but can't see the file. I am sure this can be fixed but we need to duplicate the problem for the app developer (who happens to live in France).
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: larsg on 12 Jul 2016, 07:31 pm
Have that problem with WAV files ripped by NAIM Unitiserve and HDX on some brands of NAS and DLNA server pc programs. Every file works from my Netgear NAS. No problems with FLAC files.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 13 Jul 2016, 03:53 am
I had the "files missing" problem with Synology DLNA server prior to the latest update.
Yesterday I upgraded to DSM 6.0.1-7393 Update 1 and it is working now.
So what we can do is to provide a list of supported NAS and its version. And if there is any popular NAS that presents a problem, we can then try to debug it. I was "hoping" that I can duplicate the problem on Synology but with the update the problem was solved.

Hardware: DS216play
DSM version: DSM 6.0.1-7393 Update 1

Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: larsg on 13 Jul 2016, 07:12 am
Did a test with Asset UPnP right now. WAV files ripped with Windows Media Player, EAC and dBpoweramp shows up just fine. WAV files ripped with NAIM and  a program i used to rip a few cd,s on a Mac shows a empty directory. The problem maybe have something to do with ripping programs way to store metadata. It,s not an absolute standard for adding metadata to the end of a wav file.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: larsg on 13 Jul 2016, 07:15 am
The same WAV files shows up and plays perfectly from Netgear ReadyNAS 102 with firmware 6.5.1
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: mervinpearce on 8 Aug 2016, 03:51 am
Using WDShareSpace NAS as a test and plays fine however does not recognize length of audio. (time based)  as it shows 0:00 only.  Touching the image on artwork stops play and does not start again
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: steveny on 22 Nov 2016, 02:25 am
I configured JRiver Media Center for Mac (22.0.22) running on MacBook-Pro as a DLNA DMS (Server) as well as DMC (instead of using NuPrime app), WR-100 as DMR that connects to IDA-8 with TOS-link optical cable.  The problem happens every time when I start playing an audio track.  IDA-8 is silent while re-locking to the audio tracks, that result in missing the first few second of music.  (i.e., it starts in the middle of music.  :cry:)
It will be nice if WR-100 prep-end a some amount of silent audio signal when start playing, allowing IDA-8 to re-lock, and concatenate the consecutive audio track when the sampling rate is same.
Steven Y.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 24 Nov 2016, 10:26 pm
The requirement for WR-100 is that you have to use the Nuprime app.  It is not designed for use without the app.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: pixelmixture on 14 Jan 2017, 12:05 am
futur tidal support ... future MQA support ?
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: John Casler on 15 Jan 2017, 03:53 pm
futur tidal support ... future MQA support ?

Qualcomm states it will support TIDAL in the COMING SOON (https://www.qualcomm.com/products/allplay) section, but doesn't give a date or timetable.


Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 17 Jan 2017, 04:45 pm
Qobuz late Feb, Tidal next.
MQA is just the format. If you have MQA files on DLNA server, WR-100 will be able to access.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: pixelmixture on 21 Jan 2017, 11:16 am
support of hires services like tidal, qobuz for instance would be awesome ... don't know if the hardware is abble to support MQA though
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: pixelmixture on 22 Jan 2017, 06:57 pm
Qobuz late Feb, Tidal next.
MQA is just the format. If you have MQA files on DLNA server, WR-100 will be able to access.

MQA is doing it's origami compression and only compatible dacs are able to decode it ... while tidal is already giving MASTER ( mqa ) quality albums it would be great to be able to use my beloved WR100 to decode it and benefit of the full quality
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: zwizardofoz on 23 Jan 2017, 07:51 am
If you use the Tidal desktop App its should unfold the to the next quality level in MQA ... the second tier requires an MQA ready DAC or perhaps optionally some other SW/HW combo
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: pixelmixture on 23 Jan 2017, 11:15 pm
i would have hope that a WR100 firmware upgrade would allow the full MQA decoding... fingers crossed
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: echim on 7 Feb 2017, 12:10 pm
Greetings.

Is there any video of using WR-100 with iOS app? I would like to see the user experience (responsiveness, design) on real example, not screenshots.

Also is there any news about new firmware update for WR-100 or maybe details about upcoming WR-300 ?
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 8 Feb 2017, 02:41 pm
Qobuz support should be released by end of Feb.  It is going through final QC.
The WR-100 is very easy to use, you can download the app (but won't do anything unless it detects WR-100).
When you first power up WR-100, it should be in router AP mode with a default SSID.  Connect your phone to this WiFi network.
Starts up the browser and it will automatically take you to the WR-100 configuration page to enter your home/work WiFi SSID and password. Then it will restart and connect in client mode to your home network. That's it.

Most people use WR-100 with online streaming service and don't even use its own app.  WR-100 is recognised as a speaker within Spotify app.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: JGeorge027 on 9 Feb 2017, 01:08 am
I turned on the native Windows 10 DLNA media server on my laptop to try it out with my WR-100.  The WR-100 isn't recognizing it.  I get a "There are currently no Media Servers discovered on your network" error.  Do I need to do anything else or should the simple config change in Win10 be enough?  I did restart the WR-100.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 9 Feb 2017, 10:25 am
Is your WR-100 connected to your network and you can stream music to it?
And it can recognise other DLNA servers ?
WR-100 can recognise Synology, Plex, Logitech, JRiver Media Center, and probably others that we have not tested.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 10 Feb 2017, 10:04 pm
It turns out to be a firewall blocking issue. It is working now.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: damguz on 17 Feb 2017, 10:30 pm
i would have hope that a WR100 firmware upgrade would allow the full MQA decoding... fingers crossed

with this news, we may see more DAC / streamers manufaturers jumping into the MQA bandwagon

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/mqa-and-universal-music-group-collaborate-on-advancing-hi-res-on-demand-streaming/

"Universal Music Group announced that it would offer its catalog as MQA-encoded streaming files. Universal controls the largest, richest, and most diverse music archive in the world, including the catalogs of Capitol Records, Decca, EMI, A&M, Verve, Geffen, Motown (to name a few), in addition to the vast catalog of music and artists under the Universal name. With Universal joining Warner Music Group in offering its catalog in MQA, MQA appears to have reached critical mass."


Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: jandre on 2 Apr 2017, 02:55 pm
Hi,

Is there any news on Tidal integration yet?

Regards

Jandre
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 7 Apr 2017, 07:51 pm
If you are using the iOS and Android streaming app, you have to wait much longer.  We just completed Qobuz and it is in the approval process for release.
If you rely on PC to stream TIDAL, you can use the new WR-200 streamer (estimate to ship late July 2017) that can take USB audio as input to streaming to other WR-100 receivers and AllPlay speakers.

Here's the difference:
WR-100 : need iOS and Android app for streaming from DLNA or online (Spotify, Qobuz) to WR-100 receiver.  Tidal to be added later.
WR-200:  it has all the features of WR-100, plus USB and optical inputs for streaming to other WR-100 and WR-200 receivers. That means with WR-200, you can stream anything that are running on CD Player, PC or Mac to other receivers.  WR-200 is expected to retail for $199.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 13 Apr 2017, 11:29 am
To my surprise, Tidal and Qobuz have been implemented already!!!
I just saw a pre-release version of the app with Tidal service.
Stay tune for more news soon.
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: jandre on 16 Apr 2017, 05:54 pm
That is great news  :D
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: CharlesKu on 3 Dec 2017, 05:47 am
could wr100d support youtube later on ?
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 6 Dec 2017, 03:55 pm
WR-100D or other similar devices are DLNA receiver (technical term is DLNA renderer). Therefore the support is not within WR-100 but depends on how the applications stream to other devices. Youtube is written to play on local devices, it doesn't know how to stream to DLNA receiver.
Title: WR-100 no Internet Radio
Post by: mfwalker1 on 4 Jun 2021, 09:14 am
Hi,
I guess this is an outdated device, but I set my WR100 up with the DStream app, and I can play networked music, however the internet radio won't play with a  message starting with "the device is incompatible with streaming services..."
Any way to make the internet radio work?
Regards,
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: rustydoglim on 9 Jun 2021, 01:38 am
Unfortunately D-Stream has ceased development and they no longer provide support for the software, ie no more update. :cry:
Contact us when Stream Mini is out in August if you want to "trade-in" it for a discount (you can keep the WR-100).
Title: Re: WR-100 and DLNA server issues
Post by: mfwalker1 on 9 Jun 2021, 01:50 am
Unfortunately D-Stream has ceased development and they no longer provide support for the software, ie no more update. :cry:
Contact us when Stream Mini is out in August if you want to "trade-in" it for a discount (you can keep the WR-100).

Thanks for the reply.
I'll check out the Stream 9 Mini when it appears.