MQA Discussion

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witchdoctor

MQA Discussion
« on: 18 May 2017, 11:27 am »
My experience with MQA has been a positive one. I find an improvement over FLAC files and I don't even own an MQA DAC, I just use Tidal to decode it. I have about 100-200 cassette tapes i don't really use anymore because I replaced the cassettes either with CD's or I can just stream them in FLAC via Tidal. With Universal and Sony getting on board the MQA train with Warner I'll bet 80% of their catalogs will be available in MQA within 5 years. That is going to make my FLAC and CD collection VERY long in the tooth. I think the CD is going the way of the cassette and the DVD. I would rather watch a Blue Ray than a DVD and I would rather listen to MQA than FLAC.
I think I am about to go all in and purchase an MQA DAC. I see the Bluesound NODE available at a great price. Nearly every review on Crutchfield is 5 stars and I am hoping that a full unfold of MQA sounds even better than the first unfold Tidal provides.

It still surprises me that some members of this board still haven't listened to  Tidal Masters or don't have hearing or equipment sensitive enough to tell the difference between an MQA track compared to FLAC.

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #1 on: 18 May 2017, 11:39 am »
If anyone is going to Munich High End check out the MQA panel and demos:

http://hifipig.com/mqa-at-high-end-munich-2017/

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #2 on: 18 May 2017, 11:43 am »
If anyone is looking for additional info on MQA there is another old thread here:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=147797.0

witchdoctor

"MP3 Died and Nobody Noticed"
« Reply #3 on: 18 May 2017, 02:39 pm »
Did you notice? Will the CD die next? read more below:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/16/mp3_dies_nobody_noticed/

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Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #4 on: 18 May 2017, 03:36 pm »
Witchdoctor,
please have your own comments and opinions be the majority of the posts, not just links to other forums or articles.  It will garner much more discussion if you can provide personal feedback.  Let's not make this thread another MQA ad.

IMHO, I find it quite unique that MQA receives soooo much defensive positioning, rather than letting the market decide, as they have with other compression or codec inventions.   Any demos I've gotten (and two of them were driven by Bob Stuart himself) I was less than impressed with any a/b comparisons, which were done only after significant prodding by the audience.  But these demos were in show conditions, which are notoriously poor environments.

Don't get me wrong; no one here is more of a hirez fanatic than moi, so I am open to anything that will allow easier playback or more incentive for labels to produce hirez sources.  I'm just not sure MQA's value prop is solid enough for the everyman audio lover.

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #5 on: 18 May 2017, 04:11 pm »
Witchdoctor,
please have your own comments and opinions be the majority of the posts, not just links to other forums or articles.  It will garner much more discussion if you can provide personal feedback.  Let's not make this thread another MQA ad.

IMHO, I find it quite unique that MQA receives soooo much defensive positioning, rather than letting the market decide, as they have with other compression or codec inventions.   Any demos I've gotten (and two of them were driven by Bob Stuart himself) I was less than impressed with any a/b comparisons, which were done only after significant prodding by the audience.  But these demos were in show conditions, which are notoriously poor environments.

Don't get me wrong; no one here is more of a hirez fanatic than moi, so I am open to anything that will allow easier playback or more incentive for labels to produce hirez sources.  I'm just not sure MQA's value prop is solid enough for the everyman audio lover.

The value prop in my mind is the Masters track sitting next to the HIFI track on Tidal without paying for a disc, a download, or a subscription hike. If you like it hit play, if not play FLAC.
As for the links noted  :D

You can test the value prop in your system by creating a playlist in Tidal of two versions of the same album, HIFI and Masters. Hit shuffle and see how many times in a row you can pick the version playing. For me it was easy, HIFI sounds very thin in comparison.

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Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #6 on: 18 May 2017, 04:16 pm »
But to even do that comparison fully you first need an MQA decoder in your dac, then a Tidal subscription with Master.  And then I would like to understand if the sources are true hirez or just upsampled by the labels, etc etc.  White gloves can get pretty dirty quickly. 

RandyH

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #7 on: 18 May 2017, 04:17 pm »
Agree totally with Ted.  Why must there be such a war of words between proponents an opponents of MQA.  Ultimately the market place will determine it's value to listeners.  I am curious about it and certainly will factor MQA compatibility into my decision to buy a Dac/streaming device but MQA will not likely be the sole driving force.  There is room for both MQA and non-MQA options in our hobby....it's just another choice.  Tubes, SS, vinyl, digital, cables and a myriad of other choices and mixtures happily coexist.  There is no reason IMO that MQA can't coexist with other forms of digital playback.  I do understand the criticism of MQA yet I am intrigued by it...enough so that I am anxious to listen for myself.   I will at least keep and open mind and will make attempts to listen and compare MQA files...despite Witchdoctor's approach of bludgeoning us with MQA until we succumb, not because of it.

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #8 on: 18 May 2017, 04:30 pm »
Agree totally with Ted.  Why must there be such a war of words between proponents an opponents of MQA.  Ultimately the market place will determine it's value to listeners.  I am curious about it and certainly will factor MQA compatibility into my decision to buy a Dac/streaming device but MQA will not likely be the sole driving force.  There is room for both MQA and non-MQA options in our hobby....it's just another choice.  Tubes, SS, vinyl, digital, cables and a myriad of other choices and mixtures happily coexist.  There is no reason IMO that MQA can't coexist with other forms of digital playback.  I do understand the criticism of MQA yet I am intrigued by it...enough so that I am anxious to listen for myself.   I will at least keep and open mind and will make attempts to listen and compare MQA files...despite Witchdoctor's approach of bludgeoning us with MQA until we succumb, not because of it.

RandyH, I have no room for vinyl, have a GREAT pre-amp that is very "tube like" and am a relatively happy camper. I guess the witchdoctors posts are like the MQA hammer, didn't mean to bludgeon anyone. I'll take that as a compliment to my articulate wordsmithing though so thank you :thumb:

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Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #9 on: 18 May 2017, 04:32 pm »
But to even do that comparison fully you first need an MQA decoder in your dac, then a Tidal subscription with Master.  And then I would like to understand if the sources are true hirez or just upsampled by the labels, etc etc.  White gloves can get pretty dirty quickly.

I did a comparison using the Tidal software unfold NP. Have you tried it?
I look forward to getting a Bluesound Node in the near future and will compare again.

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #10 on: 18 May 2017, 04:59 pm »
Am I the only member on AC that has even compared a HIFI track with a MASTERS track via Tidal? :scratch:

RandyH

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #11 on: 18 May 2017, 05:21 pm »
 "I'll take that as a compliment to my articulate wordsmithing though so thank you"

Take it however you wish but it was not a compliment.

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #12 on: 18 May 2017, 05:24 pm »
"I'll take that as a compliment to my articulate wordsmithing though so thank you"

Take it however you wish but it was not a compliment.

Fine, as long as we can discuss MQA I can take a little hammering myself.

witchdoctor

Bluesound
« Reply #13 on: 18 May 2017, 06:10 pm »
I am debating whether to get a Bluesound Node for MQA playback to integrate with my sunfire/Carver setup or to scrap everything and replace it with the Powernode.

The idea of having one box powernode in my desktop setup to replace a DAC, a pre-amo and an amp is appealing, but will I be trading off SQ?
If I just get the Node it is plug and play. I want to upgrade to take advantage of the full MQA unfolding of either product. Any ideas?

jMelvin

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #14 on: 18 May 2017, 06:54 pm »
Am I the only member on AC that has even compared a HIFI track with a MASTERS track via Tidal? :scratch:

No, you are not alone :D

I've had my Bluesound Node 2 for over a year now and have listened extensively to Tidal Masters since the Bluesound MQA upgrade was released. I like it. BTW, I purchased my Node 2 long before they announced MQA compatibility was coming to the platform so it was a nice free upgrade. In my experience not every MQA file sounds significantly better than the non-MQA file but for the most part the difference is easily heard. Did I mention I like it?

FWIW, Bluesound products max out at 24/192 so your getting a second (hardware) unfold via analog out. I believe a full MQA unfold to 376.4 or 384 is possible via coax out to a DAC like the Mytek Brooklyn, for example.

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Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #15 on: 18 May 2017, 06:57 pm »
No, you are not alone :D

I've had my Bluesound Node 2 for over a year now and have listened extensively to Tidal Masters since the Bluesound MQA upgrade was released. I like it. BTW, I purchased my Node 2 long before they announced MQA compatibility was coming to the platform so it was a nice free upgrade. In my experience not every MQA file sounds significantly better than the non-MQA file but for the most part the difference is easily heard. Did I mention I like it?

FWIW, Bluesound products max out at 24/192 so your getting a second (hardware) unfold via analog out. I believe a full MQA unfold to 376.4 or 384 is possible via coax out to a DAC like the Mytek Brooklyn, for example.

Thanks for that. How do you like the Bluesound app?

jMelvin

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #16 on: 18 May 2017, 07:07 pm »
The app, while not perfect, is a pleasure to use. Bluesound is very attentive to their customers and continues to tweak it. It's come a long way in the past year, as has their software in general.

witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #17 on: 18 May 2017, 09:19 pm »
The app, while not perfect, is a pleasure to use. Bluesound is very attentive to their customers and continues to tweak it. It's come a long way in the past year, as has their software in general.

Good. Have you compared the Node playing MQA to an MQA track playing from a PC via Tidal?

bacobits1

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #18 on: 18 May 2017, 09:23 pm »
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witchdoctor

Re: MQA Discussion
« Reply #19 on: 18 May 2017, 09:48 pm »
Need to bin this one too.

Bacobits thanks for bringing your problem to my attention. I am a fully certified withdoctor and have diagnosed the problem as to why you can't fully appreciate MQA. The problem isn't MQA its that your ears are being blocked. Unfortunately I need to refer you out to a specialist for treatment: