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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The HiRez Music Circle => Topic started by: BPT on 22 Jun 2009, 01:49 pm

Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: BPT on 22 Jun 2009, 01:49 pm
Hey Ted, can we add ripping hi-rez here as well--"How to rip & burn Hi-Res". Some have computer based systems and have the same problem in reverse. We have a DVD-A, SACD, DVD, DAD that we want to hear but have problems getting the music onto hard drive as a hi-res file (WAV, FLAC, whatever) to play through USB/Firewire Transporter, Empirical, Wavelength, etc. I am currently using DVD Audio Extractor, which is OK and wonder what others are using that might be better? Also, on another thread I see SlimDevices may be coming out with a 24/96 capable player at a much lower price than the Transporter.
Chris H.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 22 Jun 2009, 02:08 pm
Chris,
Yes, I use DVD Audio Extractor, but it only works for ripping DVD-V hirez stuff, meaning those 24/96 (max) files that reside in the Video_TS folder on a standard DVD-Video disc.  Examples includes Neil Young Greatest Hits, Live at Massey Hall, or any DVD-V side of DAD's and HDAD's.   The real gem is the difficult-to-find DVDAexporer that accesses and rips proprietary MLP (up to 24/192) off of true DVD-Audio discs.  It's a great invention.  Maybe I should start a new thread, huh, cuz there are subtleties that need to be discussed (how to get stereo downmixes when 2 channel layer isn't present, etc.)?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ezrzeo

Edit:  this is a new thread for discussing ripping Hirez material to the HD.  I will follow up with more specifics asap (later this aft).  Feel free to add or ask.   :) 

EDIT/UPDATE:  I've added these up here from a later post cuz many folks have asked me about it and fail to read the whole thread.  :)

Here are two new documents I've found over on the Surround Google Group website.  They are the DVDAexplorer user manual in html, and a nice how-to for ripping DVD-A to FLAC (same process as I described, with a few more screenshots).

http://surroundsound.googlegroups.com/web/DVD-Audio+Explorer+User+Manual+17.06.08.html?gda=TocmMF4AAABa5S46sSFQ5Ob3Yk8k2KcJ19zY5vGw7aWECqCFG3jjQehHv0MIOm7dxAxU9EAsuTADy8hj1ywpiFjEbwT_n7uViBO0zAWl_EYva0eDLdmNIeOwpdWz5ftt1dlzlu5J-bE&gsc=8-cpvy4AAACyjkZzBh5tFgdIyRWUtawU6UqfibKP_G_W2zhvpj7JySED57ZgFQAGV9SQARzJfks

http://groups.google.com/group/surroundsound/web/guide-for-ripping-dvd-a-to-flac
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 22 Jun 2009, 07:03 pm
As we mentioned, there are two specific tools to rip DVD-based HiRez to your hard rive for later playback via software players, Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) etc.  They address two distinct DVD signal paths.

1)  For those standard DVD's and DAD's that have 2 channel PCM HiRez layers (Neil Young Live at Massey Hall, Classic DAD's like Cannonball Adderley Somethin' Else or Muddy Waters Folk Singer...or the DVD-V side of the HDAD of same) the best and easiest tool I've found is called DVD Audio Extractor.  It can be found easily on the Web and has free trials. Here's one link:
http://www.castudio.org/download.php

It rips up to 24/96 (the highest Rez on standard DVD's).

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19806)

2) As mentioned in the thread above, to rip the "other white meat" of DVD audio lore, the very proprietary Meridian Lossless Packed (MLP) HiREz of DVD-Audio discs (up to 24/192) a piece of software called DVDAExplorer is used.  The link is attached above.  This software looks in the Audio_TS folder (as opposed to the Video_TS folder in DVD-Video discs) and presents the user with the option of ripping the dedicated 2 channel title (name of layer in DVD-Audio world) or the multichannel title (which usually looks like 2 streams, one is labeled lf-rf-ls-rs, the other labeled c-lfe).  You want to rip the 2 channel layer (title) for 2 channel playback.
(Note: multichannel ripping is possible but a subject for another day...wayyyy too much work IMO).

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19805)

On some DVD-Audio discs (or the DVD-Audio side of the less popular two-sided HDAD's) there is no 2 channel title, only multichannel.  Fear not, for in most of these situations there is a hidden table (called SMART) embedded within the disc that maps the multichannels into a downmix that is quite good and still quite HiRez 924/96 usually).  Discs like Beatles-Love, Natalie Merchant-Tigerlily are examples.  In these cases the later versions of DVDAExplorer has a simple check box called "get stereo donwmix" that will read the SMART table and do the rip properly.  Here is a screenshot from Version 2008.7.21(beta 3)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19804)

Let me know if any questions.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: zybar on 22 Jun 2009, 09:18 pm
Great post Ted.

Per your advice, I have used both tools successfully and have many more hi-rez recordings loaded into SqueezeCenter.   :thumb:

Thank you!

George
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 22 Jun 2009, 09:22 pm
Thanks for that, George.  I feel like I've given back a little over these last two or three threads here.  That makes me 2-107 (2 gives, 107 takes).  I'm catching up.   :thumb:  Ain't AC wonderful.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: mdconnelly on 22 Jun 2009, 09:33 pm
...Also, on another thread I see SlimDevices may be coming out with a 24/96 capable player at a much lower price than the Transporter.
Chris H.
Chris, can you point me to where you saw this?   While the latest SqueezeCenter and SB3 can, in fact, down-convert 24/96 to 24/48, I have not heard anything about a new 24/96 capable player but would be very interested if/when one were to appear on the market at a more affordable price than the Transporter.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 22 Jun 2009, 09:46 pm
it's called the Squeezebox Touch and it''s possible existence is just leaking out in dribs and drabs.  Said to be 24/96 capable, have a USB interface of some sort (?) and an SD card input.  No release info.
(http://www.btsc.lv/images-prod/prod-img-group-3884/preview/930-000089.jpg)
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: BPT on 22 Jun 2009, 10:12 pm
Thanks Ted. I've been busy using your suggested DVD-AE and adding some new music files from DVD-As. Have found a couple that won't let you downmix to 2 channel--Pet Sounds & 1812.  :( I'm sure a few more will show up.
Chris H.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 23 Jun 2009, 04:22 pm
BTW, after ripping to wav, I then need a way to store these files with all their metadata, for use with things like Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) or Foobar/pc (up to 24/192).  So:
1)  take the WAV files and convert to a lossless codec that supports embedded metadata/tagging.  i personally use Wavpack for my HiRez stuff because it sounds good and because FLAC and HiRez don't always get along in SC if you're doing transcoding-on-the-fly (another thread, another story).  I use DBPoweramp to do all my format converting.  I will convert to a new folder called "artist - album".
2)  I then right click on that folder and bring up MP3Tag, another great freeware solution.  MP3TAg is wonderful for tagging whole albums, as well as scanning large directories for tagging consistencies once finished.  In the case of ripping, say, David Crosby's DVD-A of If I Could Only Remember My Name, I highlight the entire list of tracks that were brought into MP3TAG, and then click on "tag sources -> Amazon" and type in David Crosby or the album name.  It will bring up several tag examples to choose from, including album art. 

(NOTE: realize that most programs like Foobar or Squeeze Center will access album art in one of two ways, either embedded in the tags or via cover.jpg naming convention.  Embedded is easy if you find the Amazon tags, but stores more data since that 20-30k art is embedded in each song tag.  Using the "cover.jpg" approach is simply putting the album art photo in each folder once, saving space.  But if you ever go to another program and/or codec that doesn't look for cover.jpg, like iTunes, then you need to import album art all over again.)
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Philistine on 28 Jun 2009, 06:39 pm
BTW, after ripping to wav, I then need a way to store these files with all their metadata, for use with things like Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) or Foobar/pc (up to 24/192).  So:
1)  take the WAV files and convert to a lossless codec that supports embedded metadata/tagging.  i personally use Wavpack for my HiRez stuff because it sounds good and because FLAC and HiRez don't always get along in SC if you're doing transcoding-on-the-fly (another thread, another story).  I use DBPoweramp to do all my format converting.  I will convert to a new folder called "artist - album".
2)  I then right click on that folder and bring up MP3Tag, another great freeware solution.  MP3TAg is wonderful for tagging whole albums, as well as scanning large directories for tagging consistencies once finished.  In the case of ripping, say, David Crosby's DVD-A of If I Could Only Remember My Name, I highlight the entire list of tracks that were brought into MP3TAG, and then click on "tag sources -> Amazon" and type in David Crosby or the album name.  It will bring up several tag examples to choose from, including album art. 

(NOTE: realize that most programs like Foobar or Squeeze Center will access album art in one of two ways, either embedded in the tags or via cover.jpg naming convention.  Embedded is easy if you find the Amazon tags, but stores more data since that 20-30k art is embedded in each song tag.  Using the "cover.jpg" approach is simply putting the album art photo in each folder once, saving space.  But if you ever go to another program and/or codec that doesn't look for cover.jpg, like iTunes, then you need to import album art all over again.)

Ted, Need your help:
I've gone through the steps you suggested and succesfully have The Beales - Love as a folder inside my Music folder that Squeeze Center (7.3.3) acceses.  When I do a scan new music it doesn't find the Love folder - the file extension is .wv.  I must be doing something wrong that is a simple issue - any ideas?
Thanks, Phil
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 28 Jun 2009, 08:26 pm
BTW, after ripping to wav, I then need a way to store these files with all their metadata, for use with things like Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) or Foobar/pc (up to 24/192).  So:
1)  take the WAV files and convert to a lossless codec that supports embedded metadata/tagging.  i personally use Wavpack for my HiRez stuff because it sounds good and because FLAC and HiRez don't always get along in SC if you're doing transcoding-on-the-fly (another thread, another story).  I use DBPoweramp to do all my format converting.  I will convert to a new folder called "artist - album".
2)  I then right click on that folder and bring up MP3Tag, another great freeware solution.  MP3TAg is wonderful for tagging whole albums, as well as scanning large directories for tagging consistencies once finished.  In the case of ripping, say, David Crosby's DVD-A of If I Could Only Remember My Name, I highlight the entire list of tracks that were brought into MP3TAG, and then click on "tag sources -> Amazon" and type in David Crosby or the album name.  It will bring up several tag examples to choose from, including album art. 

(NOTE: realize that most programs like Foobar or Squeeze Center will access album art in one of two ways, either embedded in the tags or via cover.jpg naming convention.  Embedded is easy if you find the Amazon tags, but stores more data since that 20-30k art is embedded in each song tag.  Using the "cover.jpg" approach is simply putting the album art photo in each folder once, saving space.  But if you ever go to another program and/or codec that doesn't look for cover.jpg, like iTunes, then you need to import album art all over again.)

Ted, Need your help:
I've gone through the steps you suggested and succesfully have The Beales - Love as a folder inside my Music folder that Squeeze Center (7.3.3) acceses.  When I do a scan new music it doesn't find the Love folder - the file extension is .wv.  I must be doing something wrong that is a simple issue - any ideas?
Thanks, Phil

Phil,
Can you post what the file or folder looks like?  Is it like this (after tagging with MP3tag and converting to wavpack)?  Mine is read by Squeeze Center (but I use 7.4 daily from January 28th)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19972)
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: zybar on 28 Jun 2009, 08:29 pm
BTW, after ripping to wav, I then need a way to store these files with all their metadata, for use with things like Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) or Foobar/pc (up to 24/192).  So:
1)  take the WAV files and convert to a lossless codec that supports embedded metadata/tagging.  i personally use Wavpack for my HiRez stuff because it sounds good and because FLAC and HiRez don't always get along in SC if you're doing transcoding-on-the-fly (another thread, another story).  I use DBPoweramp to do all my format converting.  I will convert to a new folder called "artist - album".
2)  I then right click on that folder and bring up MP3Tag, another great freeware solution.  MP3TAg is wonderful for tagging whole albums, as well as scanning large directories for tagging consistencies once finished.  In the case of ripping, say, David Crosby's DVD-A of If I Could Only Remember My Name, I highlight the entire list of tracks that were brought into MP3TAG, and then click on "tag sources -> Amazon" and type in David Crosby or the album name.  It will bring up several tag examples to choose from, including album art. 

(NOTE: realize that most programs like Foobar or Squeeze Center will access album art in one of two ways, either embedded in the tags or via cover.jpg naming convention.  Embedded is easy if you find the Amazon tags, but stores more data since that 20-30k art is embedded in each song tag.  Using the "cover.jpg" approach is simply putting the album art photo in each folder once, saving space.  But if you ever go to another program and/or codec that doesn't look for cover.jpg, like iTunes, then you need to import album art all over again.)

Ted, Need your help:
I've gone through the steps you suggested and succesfully have The Beales - Love as a folder inside my Music folder that Squeeze Center (7.3.3) acceses.  When I do a scan new music it doesn't find the Love folder - the file extension is .wv.  I must be doing something wrong that is a simple issue - any ideas?
Thanks, Phil

Phil,

Sometimes SC just doesn't pick up new music until you do a complete new scan of everything.  I wish I knew why this happens, but it has been happening to me from time to time in v7.3.x and v7.4.x beta.

The good news is that a complete new scan always has taken care of things.

George
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Philistine on 28 Jun 2009, 10:54 pm
BTW, after ripping to wav, I then need a way to store these files with all their metadata, for use with things like Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) or Foobar/pc (up to 24/192).  So:
1)  take the WAV files and convert to a lossless codec that supports embedded metadata/tagging.  i personally use Wavpack for my HiRez stuff because it sounds good and because FLAC and HiRez don't always get along in SC if you're doing transcoding-on-the-fly (another thread, another story).  I use DBPoweramp to do all my format converting.  I will convert to a new folder called "artist - album".
2)  I then right click on that folder and bring up MP3Tag, another great freeware solution.  MP3TAg is wonderful for tagging whole albums, as well as scanning large directories for tagging consistencies once finished.  In the case of ripping, say, David Crosby's DVD-A of If I Could Only Remember My Name, I highlight the entire list of tracks that were brought into MP3TAG, and then click on "tag sources -> Amazon" and type in David Crosby or the album name.  It will bring up several tag examples to choose from, including album art. 

(NOTE: realize that most programs like Foobar or Squeeze Center will access album art in one of two ways, either embedded in the tags or via cover.jpg naming convention.  Embedded is easy if you find the Amazon tags, but stores more data since that 20-30k art is embedded in each song tag.  Using the "cover.jpg" approach is simply putting the album art photo in each folder once, saving space.  But if you ever go to another program and/or codec that doesn't look for cover.jpg, like iTunes, then you need to import album art all over again.)

Ted, Need your help:
I've gone through the steps you suggested and succesfully have The Beales - Love as a folder inside my Music folder that Squeeze Center (7.3.3) acceses.  When I do a scan new music it doesn't find the Love folder - the file extension is .wv.  I must be doing something wrong that is a simple issue - any ideas?
Thanks, Phil

Phil,

Sometimes SC just doesn't pick up new music until you do a complete new scan of everything.  I wish I knew why this happens, but it has been happening to me from time to time in v7.3.x and v7.4.x beta.

The good news is that a complete new scan always has taken care of things.

George

Thanks George, appreciate the support.
That fixed it :thumb:  First time I've had this issue, a new music scan always worked. 
Filled with the success I'll rip some more.
Phil
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Philistine on 10 Jul 2009, 03:15 pm
BTW, after ripping to wav, I then need a way to store these files with all their metadata, for use with things like Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) or Foobar/pc (up to 24/192).  So:
1)  take the WAV files and convert to a lossless codec that supports embedded metadata/tagging.  i personally use Wavpack for my HiRez stuff because it sounds good and because FLAC and HiRez don't always get along in SC if you're doing transcoding-on-the-fly (another thread, another story).  I use DBPoweramp to do all my format converting.  I will convert to a new folder called "artist - album".
2)  I then right click on that folder and bring up MP3Tag, another great freeware solution.  MP3TAg is wonderful for tagging whole albums, as well as scanning large directories for tagging consistencies once finished.  In the case of ripping, say, David Crosby's DVD-A of If I Could Only Remember My Name, I highlight the entire list of tracks that were brought into MP3TAG, and then click on "tag sources -> Amazon" and type in David Crosby or the album name.  It will bring up several tag examples to choose from, including album art. 

(NOTE: realize that most programs like Foobar or Squeeze Center will access album art in one of two ways, either embedded in the tags or via cover.jpg naming convention.  Embedded is easy if you find the Amazon tags, but stores more data since that 20-30k art is embedded in each song tag.  Using the "cover.jpg" approach is simply putting the album art photo in each folder once, saving space.  But if you ever go to another program and/or codec that doesn't look for cover.jpg, like iTunes, then you need to import album art all over again.)

Ted, Need your help:
I've gone through the steps you suggested and succesfully have The Beales - Love as a folder inside my Music folder that Squeeze Center (7.3.3) acceses.  When I do a scan new music it doesn't find the Love folder - the file extension is .wv.  I must be doing something wrong that is a simple issue - any ideas?
Thanks, Phil

Phil,
Can you post what the file or folder looks like?  Is it like this (after tagging with MP3tag and converting to wavpack)?  Mine is read by Squeeze Center (but I use 7.4 daily from January 28th)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19972)

Ted, since my first issue I've ripped a few more DVD-A's with no issues and Squeeze Center has added the new hirez rips after scanning for new music without having to perform a rescan.
Computer related issues can be a huge time soak trying to piece together all the elements needed from different sites, so thanks for putting all this together in a single and easy to use guide :thumb:

I've got a mountain of SACD's, and I see no chance of ever being able to rip these - I'm not sure what the legality on this is but it would be cool if a third party service could rip these on the basis that individuals provide proof of ownership of the original disc.

Phil 
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 10 Jul 2009, 03:18 pm
Phil,
Agreed.  I wonder if there is a way to capture the 24/176 stream that would come off a DVD-Upgrades board mod.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: strat95 on 15 Oct 2009, 07:57 am
First I would like to say that High-Rez music is a great new circle to have.  Thanks Ted for coming up with it and executing.

I like where this thread is going and I have a question regarding High-Rez rips.  When ripping CDs, Exact Audio Copy is a very popular piece of FREE software used, and with proper settings is capable of extracting what are considered 100% accurate rips.

I would like to know if there is software available to rip High-Rez files accurately from DVD-V and DVD-Audio and maybe even Blu-Ray discs for that matter?

I will try to explain what I have encountered to better explain the reason for my question.

I have ripped CDs using a piece of software called CloneCD which is supposed to make a bit for bit identical copy.  I load up the image file created on a virtual drive and then use Exact Audio Copy to rip the individual songs from the image file.  I also rip a copy of the individual songs direct from the CD using Exact Audio Copy.  Settings in Exact Audio Copy were not changed and ripping was done in secure mode with the AccurateRip feature activated.  As it turns out, the songs that came from the CloneCD image file are not identical to the songs extracted directly from CD.  The check was performed via CRC checking software as well as by comparing waveforms in WaveLab.

I also found that ripping the CD a second time using CloneCD yielded different results than the first rip via CloneCD.

Does the software mentioned in this thread for ripping High-Rez music do any sort of error correction/checking and is there anything on the market to do this?

Thanks for any help.

TV
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 15 Oct 2009, 02:05 pm
Good question.  I could have this all wrong,and someone correct me if I do, but EAC (my cd ripper too, love it) and other good redbook rippers do all that crazy error correction (read until right) cuz of the way redbook and the reed-solomon error codes are applied.  I suspect that is less necessary in the "rip PCM from DVD-V" or "rip MLP onto PCM from DVD-A" world.  In those scenarios it's more like file copying, and the software is adept more at finding and making the files available than doing error correction.  My $.02.   My net/net is that I've not heard dropouts or any error-induced issues while listening to ripped DVD-based files, yet have hard many when ripping cd's via inferior (iTunes w/no correction, etc.) approaches.  (Note;  I may be wet here..:)  )
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: strat95 on 15 Oct 2009, 04:06 pm
Hi Ted,

I hadn't heard that before.  So I guess it's not necessary to have error correction if it treats the extracted data like files from a hard drive.

I will perform a test to verify.  I will rip full DVDs (video included) as ISO files to my hard drive.  I'll use the same procedure both times with both unscratched DVD as well as a scratched DVD to see what the results will be.

I'll report my findings.

Thanks,

TV
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 15 Oct 2009, 04:29 pm
TV,
It's just my unsubstantiated theory.  Let us know.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: strat95 on 16 Oct 2009, 01:54 am
So I just performed a test to see if duplicate rips from a DVD are identical.

I took a copy of a DVD that I have, the read surface is flawless without any scratches or blemishes.
I placed it in my Samsung SH-203B DVD drive and used CloneDVD2 from Slysoft to rip an ISO file of the single layer DVD.  I repeated the ripping process a second time and the ISO file obtained was identical in size when listed in Windows Explorer.  A right click/properties on each file showed that the files sizes were identical down to the last byte.  I ran a piece of software that looks for identical files and lists the results.  The program is called DiskState by Raxco and it generates a CRC code for each file.  If duplicate CRCs are found, a list is generated to show which files are duplicates.  I have used this program on my entire system out of curiosity and it was able to track down multiple duplicates in various locations.

The bottom line is that DiskState does not recognize the 2 rips as being exactly identical.  Keep in mind that this conclusion only applies to the rips created by CloneDVD2.  I would have to do further testing with the other 2 pieces of software mentioned in this thread to see if the audio rips, when duplicated from the same source disc, are identical.

I wonder if there is any info on this topic in the Hydrogenaudio forums?  I'm going to go have a look.

TV
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: DSD_Mastering on 16 Oct 2009, 03:05 am
I've got a mountain of SACD's, and I see no chance of ever being able to rip these - I'm not sure what the legality on this is but it would be cool if a third party service could rip these on the basis that individuals provide proof of ownership of the original disc.
Phil


What's it worth to you? What will the market bear??



Regards,
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: jqp on 16 Oct 2009, 03:32 am
So I just performed a test to see if duplicate rips from a DVD are identical.

I took a copy of a DVD that I have, the read surface is flawless without any scratches or blemishes.
I placed it in my Samsung SH-203B DVD drive and used CloneDVD2 from Slysoft to rip an ISO file of the single layer DVD.  I repeated the ripping process a second time and the ISO file obtained was identical in size when listed in Windows Explorer.  A right click/properties on each file showed that the files sizes were identical down to the last byte.  I ran a piece of software that looks for identical files and lists the results.  The program is called DiskState by Raxco and it generates a CRC code for each file.  If duplicate CRCs are found, a list is generated to show which files are duplicates.  I have used this program on my entire system out of curiosity and it was able to track down multiple duplicates in various locations.

The bottom line is that DiskState does not recognize the 2 rips as being exactly identical.  Keep in mind that this conclusion only applies to the rips created by CloneDVD2.  I would have to do further testing with the other 2 pieces of software mentioned in this thread to see if the audio rips, when duplicated from the same source disc, are identical.

I wonder if there is any info on this topic in the Hydrogenaudio forums?  I'm going to go have a look.

TV

I am thinking that 2 ripped files will probably not be identical in every way, whereas duplicate files such as operating system files or application files on your hard drive may be identical. The reason might be that a ripped file probably has time and date info as a part of the rip. Also error correction data,, which I believe is a part of DVDs as well as CDs which may be more 'random', thus a difference. Just a thought.

Also many times files are actually merely a container for data. Such a file may be a standard size, say 1GB. Inside the 'conatiner' there may only be say 897MB of data but the file size shows 1GB. Another 1GB file may contain a different amount of data, say 246MB, but it is in that 1GB 'container'.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Audioclyde on 9 Nov 2009, 07:54 pm
I have successfully ripped the 2 channel tracks off my Jackson Browne Running On Empty DVD-Audio; however, these are 24/192, and I use a MW Transporter and thus am limited to 96khz.  How should I best 'downconvert' to 96khz?  I have Sample Manager (on computer at home), so that may be a possibility.  I rip to wav/aif files, so I'm thinking the flac/SOX plug-in isn't an easy workaround for me....any suggestions will be most appreciated!

thanks,

Randy
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 9 Nov 2009, 09:04 pm
Yes, Sample manager or a simple convert to a SOX compatible (FLAC or Ogg) format.  A FLAC conversion would take less than a minute via DBPoweramp, FLAC front end or whatever, and the Squeeze server would read it natively and easily..
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Audioclyde on 10 Nov 2009, 01:01 pm
Thanks Ted.  I should have stated from the start, my music library is on a Mac mini.  I converted a couple of the songs to flac.  I also imported a couple of the wav files into Itunes (I've always used Itunes for file organization...).  Interestingly, the Transporter will play both the flac file, and also the wav file (although both Itunes and the Squeeze software state the wav file is 24/192)...so I'm trying to figure out where the 'downconversion' to 96 is taking place with the wav file?

Another downside is that I don't having any tagging data showing up in the Squeeze software this way, so I still have to figure out the best way to go.

As you can tell, I'm not sure I understand all this too well  :o!
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Audioclyde on 10 Nov 2009, 04:12 pm
Figured out that I could save my files in Apple Lossless format and retain the tags, and the files still reflect their 24/192 nature (as compared to converting to AIF, which converts to 16 bit).  The apple lossless files have the mp4 extension, and I'm hoping they will play (not at home where the system is now so can't test).
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 10 Nov 2009, 04:16 pm
You should be fine with Apple Lossless.  Good luck.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Audioclyde on 10 Nov 2009, 04:18 pm
Thanks.  For some reason Sample Manager analyzes the 24/192 wav files and gives me the message "unsupported audio file", so at this point haven't been able to use that software to either downconvert to 96.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: avta on 22 Nov 2009, 12:40 am
What are your favorite DVD rippers for use with Mac OS ?
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: firedog on 24 Dec 2009, 03:21 pm
Just a note: an acquaintance owns a Linn music server - it has no internal HD, but is setup to network to a PC or External HD and playback files up to 24/192. It also has a plugin for using it with SqueezeCenter/SqueezeServer.

He plays 24/192 files through the SS interface. He claims SS will play files above 96k resolution without downsampling if it is connected to machine that accepts those hi-res files natively.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 16 Apr 2010, 02:35 pm
Here are two new documents I've found over on the Surround Google Group website.  They are the DVDAexplorer user manual in html, and a nice how-to for ripping DVD-A to FLAC (same process as I described, with a few more screenshots).

http://surroundsound.googlegroups.com/web/DVD-Audio+Explorer+User+Manual+17.06.08.html?gda=TocmMF4AAABa5S46sSFQ5Ob3Yk8k2KcJ19zY5vGw7aWECqCFG3jjQehHv0MIOm7dxAxU9EAsuTADy8hj1ywpiFjEbwT_n7uViBO0zAWl_EYva0eDLdmNIeOwpdWz5ftt1dlzlu5J-bE&gsc=8-cpvy4AAACyjkZzBh5tFgdIyRWUtawU6UqfibKP_G_W2zhvpj7JySED57ZgFQAGV9SQARzJfks

http://groups.google.com/group/surroundsound/web/guide-for-ripping-dvd-a-to-flac
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 19 Jul 2010, 06:27 pm
UPDATE:
Now that DVD Audio Extractor has been updated to handle all DVD-based audio (including MLP-based DVD-Audio and HDAD discs) our good friend Chris Connaker (founder, Computer Audiophile) wrote this well-detailed guide to ripping that handles all three popular DVD audio formats (DVD-Video discs, DVD-Audio discs and HDAD discs).  He even gave me some kudos, which is nice (said in Bill Murray voice)  Enjoy!!

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/How-Rip-DVD-Audio-DVD-Video-Audio-And-HDAD-Discs
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: DaveKen on 15 Aug 2010, 09:33 pm
Hi Guys,
I stumbled on this circle this morning and, thanks to the information posted here I have already ripped a couple of DVD audio discs to 24/96 and played them with very good results. I am using the free 30 day trial of DVDAExtractor.
I apologise if this is a numptie question (some say the only numptie question is he one that isn't asked  :wink: so here goes) but I have a number of SACD and HDCD discs. I can play them all fine but would like to rip them to FLAC for playing on foobar  -  is any software available to enable this?
Thanks for any help.
Dave.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 16 Aug 2010, 12:41 am
Hi Guys,
I stumbled on this circle this morning and, thanks to the information posted here I have already ripped a couple of DVD audio discs to 24/96 and played them with very good results. I am using the free 30 day trial of DVDAExtractor.
I apologise if this is a numptie question (some say the only numptie question is he one that isn't asked  :wink: so here goes) but I have a number of SACD and HDCD discs. I can play them all fine but would like to rip them to FLAC for playing on foobar  -  is any software available to enable this?
Thanks for any help.
Dave.

Dave,
Hi and welcome aboard!   SACD is not rippable but by very expensive pro transfer equipment; it is a proprietary format.  HDCD, which is basically an encoded redbook cd format, is indeed rippable...nothing special needed.  As long as the rip is bit eprfect (EAC or DB Poweramp are two good redbook rippers) then the HDCD encoding should be maintained just fine.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: golfugh on 16 Aug 2010, 05:06 am
You can rip the CD layer off of a hybrid SACD; other than that as Ted said SACDs are not rippable.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: DaveKen on 16 Aug 2010, 06:23 pm
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the two helpful replies.
A few years ago, before, I got into hi-fi, I bought a Sony Vaio VGX-XL201 MM PC, mainly for the fact that it put the internet and a PC in a single box (and the fact that my local Sony retail outlet was selling them off at around half price when I was in the market for a new PC   :D ). Included in the preloaded software was a programme called SonicStage Mastering Studio which I have subsequently discovered allowed me to rip (?) music into SACD (DSD) format and record it on a disc. I had the odd bit of trouble with the PC which involved it going back to Sony in Belgium (IIRC) a couple of times to be put right. Sometime later I found out that the DSD recording aspect of SonicStage Mastering Studio would no longer work. How this came about I have no idea but it still refuses to let me record in DSD format.
So, it was possible at one time to transpose recorded music into DSD (SACD) format in a home environment and therefore I am surprised that some knowledgeable geek out there has not found out how to reverse the process.
I can't be the only person to have one of these PCs so does anyone out there know how to reinstate the DSD recording aspect of SonicStage Mastering Studio, please.
Dave.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: soundpro69 on 11 Sep 2010, 10:36 pm
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the two helpful replies.
A few years ago, before, I got into hi-fi, I bought a Sony Vaio VGX-XL201 MM PC, mainly for the fact that it put the internet and a PC in a single box (and the fact that my local Sony retail outlet was selling them off at around half price when I was in the market for a new PC   :D ). Included in the preloaded software was a programme called SonicStage Mastering Studio which I have subsequently discovered allowed me to rip (?) music into SACD (DSD) format and record it on a disc. I had the odd bit of trouble with the PC which involved it going back to Sony in Belgium (IIRC) a couple of times to be put right. Sometime later I found out that the DSD recording aspect of SonicStage Mastering Studio would no longer work. How this came about I have no idea but it still refuses to let me record in DSD format.
So, it was possible at one time to transpose recorded music into DSD (SACD) format in a home environment and therefore I am surprised that some knowledgeable geek out there has not found out how to reverse the process.
I can't be the only person to have one of these PCs so does anyone out there know how to reinstate the DSD recording aspect of SonicStage Mastering Studio, please.
Dave.

Dave, hi!

First off, I don't know how to restore the functionality of your SonicStage Mastering Studio, but I have heard some mention of the possibilities you mention at a conference by Gus Skinas at the 2009 Rocky Mountain Audio Fest in Denver, CO (USA). They have a website where all things DSD are discussed: http://www.sa-cd.net/ It branches out into a Forum section and several other links. No instant gratification. You will need to explore it patiently, but there is a whole new world of information about keeping the DSD standard and the things that can be done and how... They created something called a DSD disc which can be shared as a file and contains pure DSD...

That being said, the whole secrecy of the deal seems to me more of Sony's wishful thinking towards keeping the DSD encoding as synonym of supreme fidelity than a true trend, as they would like to portray it. But that is only my personal opinion.

Your question is a valid one, but I see one small confusion that needs to be clarified. DSD is only a way to encode digital data (an open format according to Gus Skinas - who knew  :roll:). Think PCM. SACD is a close, un-rippable, proprietary, optical medium owned and policed by Sony that uses only DSD as their sole encoding format. Think red book CD.

So if this Sony software you mention can play DSD, shouldn't someone have figured out a way to rip SACDs? It is two very different things. Read DSD files? Not only is possible but it is now encouraged by Sony (trying to not loose DSD as a viable archiving and HiEnd format). Getting to the DSD files encrypted in an SACD disc? That's another story.

I ignore the methods mentioned above "by very expensive pro transfer equipment". I wish ted_b would elaborate on those. Would you Ted please? I would love to know how.

The only method I know of, is not technically "ripping". But since there are some hardware devices (like the early Oppo players) that convert the DSD digital stream off an SACD to a PCM HiRez stream and output it via S/PIDIF, you could theoretically capture that digital info into a workstation and create WAV files with it... Basically you would need to "re-create" the tracks from scratch from the format and channel standpoint (think multi-channel)... Not to mention meta data... I have read of someone who has done it though.

If anyone knows a better way, please share.

Cheers!

Gabe.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 12 Sep 2010, 03:58 pm

I ignore the methods mentioned above "by very expensive pro transfer equipment". I wish ted_b would elaborate on those. Would you Ted please? I would love to know how.

I'll let Bruce (Brown, Puget Sound award-winning engineer who "rips" DSD from SACD for Chesky's HDTracks online website store, and who works with DSD everyday) get into the details, but suffice it to say that he uses expensive professional EMM labs and Digital Audio Denmark (DAD) AX24 converters to go from DSD to very hirez DXD, before doing the PCM conversion.  He uses 24/88.2k (instead of the better and still integer perfect 24/176.4k) because the files sizes are more manageable for download.


The only method I know of, is not technically "ripping". But since there are some hardware devices (like the early Oppo players) that convert the DSD digital stream off an SACD to a PCM HiRez stream and output it via S/PIDIF


Gabe, the Oppos do NOT send any SACD out via SPDIF, whether PCM or DSD.  That all goes out HDMI or analog.  In my thread about using HDMI de-embedders (like Atlona) I describe and review the process of grabbing Oppo's 24/882k DSD-to-PCM HDMI stream and sending it to a hi-end DAC via toslink or coax for wonderful hirez SACD playback.  One could grab that stream and digitize it too (but I don't have the patience to handle all that...split the tracks, etc).
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: DSD_Mastering on 12 Sep 2010, 05:15 pm
To retrieve DSD information from an SACD you will need 3 things. A transport, converter and workstation.

Transport - We use the Playback Designs MPS-5 ($15k) or the EMM Labs CDSD-SE ($10k) to play an SACD. These machines use a proprietary ST-optical output that streams a DSD signal.

We use 2 methods to capture this DSD stream.

An EMM Labs ADC8-IV ($8500) will capture the ST-optical stream and convert it to SDIF-3, staying in the DSD format.

Then a Pyramix DSD/DXD workstation ($20k) captures in real-time, the DSD data stream.

Instead of the Pyramix, sometimes we use a Sony Sonoma  workstation ($15k) that captures the ST-optical signal from the transport.

Once we have the DSD data, we have to convert it to PCM for HDtracks using a SRC software called Saracon ($2k).

As you can see this is expensive and time consuming to do.

We belive this is the only way to extract DSD data from an SACD. We spent a couple of years trying everything else.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: soundpro69 on 13 Sep 2010, 04:31 am
Wow this is awesome!

Thank you all very much for this information!! Getting to know first hand how these SACDs became PCM downloads from HD Tracks (no less) is just amazing to me. I was wondering... But I just assumed that the original master would have been used for the transfer. Wouldn't that have been easier (and perhaps even cheaper)?

Anyway.

I will be re-reading this often and trying to delve into the HDMI de-embedders
threads as soon as I have a few minutes of spare time.

I really appreciate this info and your kindness guys. Thank you very much!

Gabe.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Brandon B on 15 Sep 2010, 01:35 am
With the supposed release today of HDCP master keys, it may get easier to pull DSD or PCM off an HDMI output of an SACD capable deck in the future.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 15 Sep 2010, 03:54 am
With the supposed release today of HDCP master keys, it may get easier to pull DSD or PCM off an HDMI output of an SACD capable deck in the future.

PCM is being pulled off now, as per my thread/reviw about the HDMI de-embedders, like Atlona.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=82217.0
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: soundpro69 on 17 Sep 2010, 11:00 pm
With the supposed release today of HDCP master keys, it may get easier to pull DSD or PCM off an HDMI output of an SACD capable deck in the future.

Hello there,
Sorry, but what are the "HDCP master keys"? Are these software "keys" or specs of some sort that will allow access to the DSD data in the SACDs or something like that?
As always,

Thank you!

Gabe.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: adydula on 9 Oct 2010, 09:06 pm
Been looking for a solution to take audio from a DTS 5.1 audio dvd into a 2 ch stereo file I can play. I have an Oppo BD83SE and recently converted 300+ cds to FLACS and play via a laptop DLNA/Asset UpnP ethernet and this works very well for me.

I know I can just put the 5.1 dvd into the Oppo and listen to 5.1 DTS or just 2 ch if I want.

The question here is is there a sane way to get the 2 ch off of the DTS 5.1 stuff, core etc
into a good 2ch "high res" format??? Something where I dont have to put the 5.1 DTS dvd in??

I have mucked around with DBpoweramp, and their Music Convertor...but when I try to play what I converted its only white noise...

Any ideas?

Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: AlexG on 9 Oct 2010, 10:12 pm
Alex,

Quote
The question here is is there a sane way to get the 2 ch off of the DTS 5.1 stuff, core etc
into a good 2ch "high res" format??? Something where I don't have to put the 5.1 DTS dvd in??

I have converted (extracted) the two channel dts files from various music dvd's using foobar2000 (v.0.9.6.7 or later) to 2 channel audio.  1) You need to first copy the "foo_input_dts.dll" file to the program components directory in foobar - (google search) or I can email it to you, 2) open the dvd in foobar and... 3) right click on the song within foobar and "convert to PCM" file giving a destination in your hard drive. From there you can do whatever you want with the file using various software programs. The "dll" file will convert to standard 16/44.

Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: adydula on 10 Oct 2010, 12:48 am
AlexG,

Thanks so much.

I am trying to take the Diana Krall 5.1 DTS files to 2 ch and will try you solution!!

I will PM u for the DLL file!!

Many!!! Thanks!
Alex
 :D
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: adydula on 10 Oct 2010, 01:35 am
Hello...

I found the  "foo_input_dts.dll file , installed foobar2000 v 1.1 and then copied this DLL to the foobar folder.

Ran Foobar, opened one of the files in the DTS 5.1 disc. They show up as 1K CD audio files in windows explorer??

Anyhow I right click on this one file and follow the convert window but do not see a LPCM or PCM option. I tried WAV and it converted but when the converted file is played its white noise?

Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: AlexG on 10 Oct 2010, 01:22 pm
Alex,

Assuming you have the right files in the components directory (foobar2000) you should have no problems. Make certain that when you right click the song in foobar, you must the first time setup the converter engine - within foobar by selecting after you right click the "..." option instead of "last use" and enter the parameters you want for output-processing and other...you can even convert directly to FLAC, level 5 and also select output bit depth! I just converted a dts encoded song (Titanic Movie-Never An Absolution) to make sure I am right with my instructions, and produce a 92.5MB wave file for this song. If you still have problems, PM your phone number and I will walk you through in front of the PC.

Good luck  :thumb:

Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 10 Oct 2010, 01:35 pm
Although this Alex-to-Alex DTS conversion project dialog is not about hirez, I find it very valuable and am leaving it here for others to use.  Alex (whichever one wants to :) ) please let us how/why you got over the hump.  Thx
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: AlexG on 10 Oct 2010, 02:07 pm
Ted (?), Just trying to help...as dts is kind of hirez, I thought that didn't matter. Will go PM if you prefer.
Sorry..
Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 10 Oct 2010, 02:12 pm
Ted (?), Just trying to help...as dts is kind of hirez, I thought that didn't matter. Will go PM if you prefer.
Sorry..
Alex

No, no it's great that we use AC to solve problems.  I just wanted to state the DTS-is-not-hirez to those folks who keep me at my word and ask that redbook, etc discussions be moved elsewhere.  This is relevant and a typical problem for folks who have DVD's and want to rip the highest quality off of them as possible.  And moving it to Home theater, etc right now seems fruitless.  Keep the discussion going, solve his problem, and nevermind my silly editorial comments. :)
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: adydula on 10 Oct 2010, 02:24 pm
Thanks Ted, and AlexG.

This is really not Home Theater, its about getting the highest quality sound from a 5.1 DTS dvd to the highest quality 2 ch.

I have a really 'full' day today and will further play later today and report back the results.

I am wondering if the DVD and or the soundcard or onboard soundchip has anything to do with this.

There is no DTS decoder on the pc or laptop I am playing with. One has a Coax and an Optical set of outputs. But I cant even play the DTS 5.1 disk in the pc to begin with.

I did see the default settings in foobar and tried the FLAC and WAV selection for conversion and also tried the additional DSP setting of the 5.1 to 2 ch downmix...all converted, big files but when i tried to play on the PC..white noise.

When I look at the DTS dvd in windows explorer, I only see 1K kiles, no other files or types. This may be the root of the problem, maybe I dont have a player or codec to see the high res DTS files on the Diana Krall DTS DVD.

I did find some posts that indicated I needed a 'bit perferct' sound card that supports DTS ???

Ok when I get home later  I will attempt some more experimenting. If unsuccessful I will PM u my phone number and we can chat.

Thanks Alex and Thanks Ted!

All the best
Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: adydula on 11 Oct 2010, 12:42 am
Ok, Just got off the phone with AlexG, many thanks for the conversation and time discussing DTS to High Res issue I was trying to solve!

It turns out to be relatively easy!

The surprise here is that it seems from the data I have looked at that you can get FLAC 24 bit depth file sampled at 44.100 Hz.

Here's is the short version:

Get Foobar 2000m the version I got was V1.1 and find (google search) the foo_input_dts_dll file.

Install foobar and then copy the dts dll to the components directory...this directory is a folder in the Foobar folder..where you installed Foobar.

Then get the FLAC convertor from:
http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html
Scroll down on this site for downloads and you will see a WINDOWS section. Select the FLAC with Windows installer.

Install this, remember where you put it. Later in Foobar you will have to point to the flac.exe file for the magic to happen.

Ok so you have Foobar installed, copied the dts dll file to the components directory and then installed the FLAC stuff.

I used a DTS 5.1 Music disk, Diana Krall, Love Scenes. Insert into your pc cd/dvd and open foobar.

Click on File, and Select Open Audio CD, a small window pops up showing you your CD drives found...I select Add to playlist and all the songs on the DTS disk should show up in the Foobar main menu. The first song probably will be playing. If you copied the dts dll correctly the song should be playing.

Stop the song playing (click on the player control for STOP), select the first song. Right click on it and a small menu pops up, select the three dots "..."

The convertor window pops up. This is where you can save presets for later conversions.

I select output format on the right top side then another window pops up where you actually can select the output file format from a list. I select FLAC. level 5 the FLAC default.

At the bottom of this output file format window there is an output bit depth its set to AUTO. I used this and played with the bit settings.

Auto here got me 24 bit FLAC files from the DTS music disk. I tried 32 bits for the heck of it, still got 24 bits in the file I converted.

Ok so once you select the output file format, and bit depth...select the back button at the bottom. Now you back at the Convertor setup window. You can select destination and Processing.

Under Processing I add the convert 5.1 to stereo DSP. On the processing window on the left are the Active DSP's on the right are the Available DSP's. Select this one and click on the arrow to add it to the Active DSP window. Then click on Back to get you bcak to the main Convertor setup window.

Then click on convert. A window pops asking you where to save the file etc. You will for the first time get a window asking you where your FLAC.EXE file is. Point to this file.

The convert 5.1 to stereo to 2 ch DSP I added seems to only output a file that has 2 ch (what I am intersted in). and the file size is a LOT smaller. If you dont select this you get ALL 6 DTS channels and the file size in my case was in excess of well over 100mb.

I would think your would be able to stream this to a player as well  as the 2 ch flacs I made via UpnP DLNA etc..hmm something to further investigate.

Any how, I now have 24 bit files from the DTS 5.1 music disk, I know the file properties say only 44.1 Khz sampling rate, but its 24 bits.

Thanks much for AlexG helping me think thru this one!

All the best
Alex

 :D :D
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 11 Oct 2010, 01:03 am
Alex,
Glad you were able to convert.  Realize, of course, that those 24 bit files are significantly upsampled from lossy DTS.  The core DTS container is slightly better than average MP3 but not even redbook (cd) quality.  DTS 5.1 has a max of 1.509 mbps or about 250-300k per channel (similar to 320k MP3) but is usually half of that (768k spread into 6 channels or equivalent to 180k MP3).  Even the faux named DTS 96/24 just adds an extension to that core audio, but is not redbook level, let alone high rez.  True hirez in the DTS world doesn't begin until their wonderful BluRay codec called DTS HD Master Audio, capable of 24/96 in 8 channels (or 24/192 for stereo).
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: adydula on 11 Oct 2010, 02:32 am
ted_b,

Thanks for adding this data.  I think I will buy a copy of the actual redbook cd and compare the sound.

Just because you have bits witout the higher sampling rates doesnt mean that its great!!

It was an interesting thing to try and at least suceed in doing.

Thanks
Alex
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: RadioWonder on 11 Dec 2010, 05:32 pm
Here is the latest version of the AudioGate Software.
You must have Korg hardware or a Twitter account to use this free software.

http://www.korguser.net/audiogate/en/index.html (http://www.korguser.net/audiogate/en/index.html)
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: jamesg11 on 1 Jan 2011, 02:31 am
Very very useful thread ...  Getting back to an earlier posted question - what's the best way to rip dvd-video for hi-res audio on MAC OSX?
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: kenreau on 20 Mar 2011, 10:20 pm
Very very useful thread ...  Getting back to an earlier posted question - what's the best way to rip dvd-video for hi-res audio on MAC OSX?

I'm very interested in this as well.  From what I've read, the only practical route is to run a parallel system (VMware Fusion, Parallels or Bootcamp) that allows you to install a windows os, then use DVD Extractor or Explorer.  I'm about to try out the free trial of Parallels.  The biggest drawback is the $80 sticker price.   https://nct.parallels.com/fulfill/0285.001/thankyou

If someone is aware of a MAC OSX compatible / reliable / functioning DVD-A ripper program, please chime in.

THanks
Kenreau
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: sfig on 10 Apr 2011, 05:12 pm
Right.  So far for the mac it's a purchase of Windows and Parallels I think.  I'd do it but I don't have any other use for the software so it's a little pricey.

Another post indicated DVD Extractor is supposed to have a mac version in April or May.  Probably smarter for me to wait for that but you never know with the tweak bug.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Brandon B on 12 Jul 2011, 01:51 am
DVDAE OS X port now available:

http://www.dvdae.com/download
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: jamesg11 on 12 Jul 2011, 07:00 am
& working well for me, in OSX.

Anyone got some tips? - specifically with dvdae, is it enough to just select dvd disc & let it summarise the audio offerings, OR is it always best to look at each file, to see if there's a 24/96 lurking?
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Marius on 29 Aug 2011, 02:08 pm
+1 here, working great.

Only thing that could be better is a translation from chapter to track title. Have to manually edit all chapters now to be meaningful in the resulting rip.
Like to hear tips for that too!

Marius

& working well for me, in OSX.

Anyone got some tips? - specifically with dvdae, is it enough to just select dvd disc & let it summarise the audio offerings, OR is it always best to look at each file, to see if there's a 24/96 lurking?
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: klao on 9 Mar 2012, 04:33 am
To retrieve DSD information from an SACD you will need 3 things. A transport, converter and workstation.

Transport - We use the Playback Designs MPS-5 ($15k) or the EMM Labs CDSD-SE ($10k) to play an SACD. These machines use a proprietary ST-optical output that streams a DSD signal.

We use 2 methods to capture this DSD stream.

An EMM Labs ADC8-IV ($8500) will capture the ST-optical stream and convert it to SDIF-3, staying in the DSD format.

Then a Pyramix DSD/DXD workstation ($20k) captures in real-time, the DSD data stream.

Instead of the Pyramix, sometimes we use a Sony Sonoma  workstation ($15k) that captures the ST-optical signal from the transport.

Once we have the DSD data, we have to convert it to PCM for HDtracks using a SRC software called Saracon ($2k).

As you can see this is expensive and time consuming to do.

We belive this is the only way to extract DSD data from an SACD. We spent a couple of years trying everything else.

I came across this article.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/features/939-editorials/1497-editorial-notes-on-converting-sacd-music-tracks-to-pcm-in-disc-players.html

Wonder if I should continue downloading from HDTracks for files higher than 88/24?  Thanks in advance for everyone's comment.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Subhunter on 26 Mar 2012, 07:49 pm
Good thread , thanks !
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Don_S on 12 Apr 2012, 06:26 pm
I have only read the first two pages of this thread.  It seems complicated and I fear I am doomed before I start.

DVD Audio Extractor requirements include a Pentium IV or better CPU. I have a Pentium D 3GHZ with 3GB RAM.  Has anyone run DVD Audio Extractor on such a lowly, dated CPU?

I only have 3 DVD-As and two DADs to extract and I am not sure they are worth the trouble.  My impetus for trying extraction is music that I want which is not affordable on CD (OOP) but is available new on DVD-A. That would be Lorna Hunt.  I am not going to buy the DVD-A unless I am sure I can extract it.

Thanks, Don
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 12 Apr 2012, 06:32 pm
Don, You can send them to me and I;'ll extract for you if ya want.  Need hard drive or USB thumb drive or something.  But DVDAExplorer or DVD Audio extractor should run ok.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Don_S on 12 Apr 2012, 06:50 pm
Ted,

Thank you for the offer.  I will PM you later. 


Don, You can send them to me and I;'ll extract for you if ya want.  Need hard drive or USB thumb drive or something.  But DVDAExplorer or DVD Audio extractor should run ok.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: slingshot on 21 Sep 2012, 11:11 pm
As we mentioned, there are two specific tools to rip DVD-based HiRez to your hard rive for later playback via software players, Squeeze Center (up to 24/96) etc.  They address two distinct DVD signal paths.

1)  For those standard DVD's and DAD's that have 2 channel PCM HiRez layers (Neil Young Live at Massey Hall, Classic DAD's like Cannonball Adderley Somethin' Else or Muddy Waters Folk Singer...or the DVD-V side of the HDAD of same) the best and easiest tool I've found is called DVD Audio Extractor.  It can be found easily on the Web and has free trials. Here's one link:
http://www.castudio.org/download.php

It rips up to 24/96 (the highest Rez on standard DVD's).

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19806)

2) As mentioned in the thread above, to rip the "other white meat" of DVD audio lore, the very proprietary Meridian Lossless Packed (MLP) HiREz of DVD-Audio discs (up to 24/192) a piece of software called DVDAExplorer is used.  The link is attached above.  This software looks in the Audio_TS folder (as opposed to the Video_TS folder in DVD-Video discs) and presents the user with the option of ripping the dedicated 2 channel title (name of layer in DVD-Audio world) or the multichannel title (which usually looks like 2 streams, one is labeled lf-rf-ls-rs, the other labeled c-lfe).  You want to rip the 2 channel layer (title) for 2 channel playback.
(Note: multichannel ripping is possible but a subject for another day...wayyyy too much work IMO).

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19805)

On some DVD-Audio discs (or the DVD-Audio side of the less popular two-sided HDAD's) there is no 2 channel title, only multichannel.  Fear not, for in most of these situations there is a hidden table (called SMART) embedded within the disc that maps the multichannels into a downmix that is quite good and still quite HiRez 924/96 usually).  Discs like Beatles-Love, Natalie Merchant-Tigerlily are examples.  In these cases the later versions of DVDAExplorer has a simple check box called "get stereo donwmix" that will read the SMART table and do the rip properly.  Here is a screenshot from Version 2008.7.21(beta 3)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=19804)

Let me know if any questions.  Enjoy.

Ted, just saw the info on DVD Audio Explorer (Explorer) and it is great. Thank you for your diligence in putting this and all the other info on the site. (Looking into ripping SACD next, looks pretty formidable.) Do you live near MA? I will be your new best friend.  I had been using DVD Audio Extractor (Extractor) but it wouldn't show 192Hz/24-bit as one of the options. In fact, although there are boxes to click on the left hand side with different time periods only one seems to work. I have the Rat Pack, Live at the Venice Villa in 192Hz/24-bit and as I type this it is being extracted in the Explorer program.  I noticed on all of the tracks the Copy Control states 48Khz/16. Not sure what that means.

I also have the Tommy DVD-Audio. Disc 1 kept showing as 6 channel in the Extractor program although it seems to copied it as two channel. I just ripped it with the Explorer. There are 25 tracks on Disc 1. Extractor ripped 21 and Explorer could only rip 20 tracks. Is there a limit on lenght of time that can be ripped?  Live at the Venice has 29 tracks and the Explorer ripped all of them. I am going to compare all the versions and see if I can hear any difference.  :D
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 28 Nov 2014, 07:19 am
Can DVD-A Extractor rip Blu ray Audio discs such as the recent HFPA ones and others such as The Division Bell and Endless River blu ray disc? I've got a PS3 for SACDs and use DVDAE to rip DVD-A, but my PC doesn't have a blu ray drive, so before I buy an external blu ray drive, I'd like to be sure I can use it to rip my blu ray audio discs.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 28 Nov 2014, 11:31 am
I just remembered I don't really need to rip my blu ray audio discs because I've only got about 10, so for those discs, I can spin them on my OPPO and bitstream the audio to an Exasound E28 or similar via RCA Coaxial. This was one of the reasons I thought I might need an analogue multichannel preamp because I thought I might need to accommodate two m/c sources, but I now realise I don't, doh!
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: Phil A on 28 Nov 2014, 02:26 pm
Great Info here - I have about 50-60 DVD-As and DADs that I will be ripping over the winter - thanks
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 14 Mar 2015, 09:41 pm
I've almost got blu ray audio ripping sorted, but need help with the last part and hope someone here can help out.

I use MakeMKV to rip and decrypt BDA content to my PC's HD then DVD-Audio Extractor to extract the audio content I want e.g. 24/96 multichannel, but DVD-A Extractor extracts audio as one huge file rather than the number of tracks on the album. For instance, I ripped Supertramp's Crime of the Century and now have one very large file rather than eight tracks. What software can I use to split the tracks, preferably done automatically? Or, should I use an alternative method upstream which will produce individual tracks to begin with, if yes, what?
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: strat95 on 7 Apr 2015, 04:17 pm
I've almost got blu ray audio ripping sorted, but need help with the last part and hope someone here can help out.

I use MakeMKV to rip and decrypt BDA content to my PC's HD then DVD-Audio Extractor to extract the audio content I want e.g. 24/96 multichannel, but DVD-A Extractor extracts audio as one huge file rather than the number of tracks on the album. For instance, I ripped Supertramp's Crime of the Century and now have one very large file rather than eight tracks. What software can I use to split the tracks, preferably done automatically? Or, should I use an alternative method upstream which will produce individual tracks to begin with, if yes, what?

I have never tried this out as I don't yet have a Blu-Ray computer drive but the guides put together over at ComputerAudiophile.com are always very good and in depth.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/473-ripping-blu-ray-easy-way/

TV
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 7 Apr 2015, 04:58 pm
Thanks for the link strat :) At a glimpse, it looks like using an alternative programme to MakeMKV will allow me to extract individual tracks from blu ray discs and I'll be sure to check the thread out in greater detail ;)
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 29 Oct 2015, 07:19 pm
I've ripped everything except some DTS-CDs and wonder how you guys have done it because all I get is white noise.

I had a look on the web and some suggest ripping in WAV (which I did via Dbpoweramp), but when I tried to play via JRiver, nada. Some also said to change the extension from .wav to .dts, but I can't see to do that. How do you guys rips multichannel DTS-CDs? I've only got a few, but Joe Cocker's Night Calls is one of them and I want to rip it for sure. cheers :)

UPDATE: It turns out, all I had to do to get the multichannel DTS tracks to play was turn off some processing in Jriver; as Homer might say: 'Doh!'  :slap:
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 22 Aug 2016, 08:45 am
I've been ripping BDAs with MKV for a while and last night night decided to try out Passkey so I can rip with DVD Audio Extractor, thereby producing individual tracks rather than a copy of whole albums. It works well and I'm almost certainly going to pay for the full product, but I wonder what the typical rip speeds are as mine are typically 0.5MBps, which means some rips can take over two hours to complete. Is this normal?

Fwiw, my hardware is a 2014 Mac Mini (running Windows 7 via Bootcamp) and a Samsung external Blu ray reader.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Slim-3D-External-Blu-ray/dp/B00INGA7ZG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1471855472&sr=8-4&keywords=samsung+external+blu+ray+drive

p.s. Thanks to Ted and everyone else who made ripping via OPPO possible - the perfect cure for my YLOD PS3 :D
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 22 Aug 2016, 12:20 pm
As long as you check the box to decrypt (in MKV) then DVDA-Extractor works fine.  I see no need for Passkey, but I might be missing something.  I rip BD's with DVDAE in like 20 min.
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 22 Aug 2016, 02:52 pm
Using MKV produces one large and lengthy video file rather than individual tracks, which after using DVDAE to extract the multichannel option for example, remains one long audio file rather than individual tracks - albeit the file is much smaller in size. Passkey when used in conjunction with DVDAE produces individual tracks however, but is painfully slow at typically 0.5MBps. And 'Decrypt' is always checked.

Ah I just realised you said you rip BDs using DVDAE; how do you do that? That would make sense as using MKV to rip then DVDAE to extract the particular audio option is a long way for a shortcut seemingly...

... I just tried one possible method: inserting a disc, launching MKV and clicking backup (with decrypt checked) but not executing, then launching DVDAE to rip, but it crashed. Mmmm
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: ted_b on 22 Aug 2016, 03:52 pm
Backup with decrypt checked is the way to do it, as I documented earlier (somewhere  :) ).  If DVDAE crashed then the decrypt didn't work (DVDAE crashes when presented an encrypted BD file).
Title: Re: How to rip Hi-Res
Post by: windhoek on 22 Aug 2016, 05:17 pm
It turns out I've been doing it wrong all along - hence the long, single audio files I've been getting after using DVDAE to extract audio from MKV rips. I've been navigating to a particular file in the MKV rip folder and choosing that as a single AOB/VOB file rather than selecting 'DVD folder' as source and navigating DVDAE to that folder - doh!

Unfortunately I didn't keep a back up of those folders once I'd ripped them, so will need to re-rip so I can do it right and have individual tracks rather than long, single audio files. I've only got about 20 BDs, so it won't take too long, but damn, I wish I'd got it right first time lol

I can now forget about Passkey and you're right Ted, it only takes about 20 minutes to extract the audio files from the MKV rip :)