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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: unincognito on 31 Jul 2017, 04:16 pm
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The Bryston WiFi Dongle Accessory Kit is a product that can be purchased by itself or with the purchase of a Bryston Digital Player. At the cost of a single USB on the BDP it will gain WiFi capability no longer requiring the user/installer to run a network cable, setting up a WiFi bridge or Powerline AV kit. We are simply offering this WiFi kit for convenience and to remove any guess work from choosing a correct module. The WiFi Dongle Accessory Kit will be available by September and will correspond with the release of our S2.36 firmware release, which among other things will include comprehensive support for the accessory kit as described in the manual (a preliminary copy is linked below). The BDP firmware has contained WiFi support since S2.18, however the S2.36 update or newer is highly recommended for this accessory. The WiFi dongle included in this kit is capable of upto 300Mbps 802.11n and will work with 802.11a/b/g/n wireless capable networks. Most if not all 802.11ac networks should be backwards compatible with one if not all of these versions. An 802.11ac dongle wasn’t chosen for a variety of reasons, the primary of which was the limitation USB 2 interface. The kit will include:
- WiFi Dongle
- 3’ USB extension cable (to avoid blocking neighbouring USB Ports and positioning the dongle away from gear if needed)
- Instructions
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/WiFi/Manual%20Preliminary2.pdf (http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/WiFi/Manual%20Preliminary2.pdf)
Price: TBA
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Hi Chris,
The dongle is a good idea. Plug and play?
Please put this on the Bryston website eventually.
Thanks,
Pete
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mostly, theirs an early manual linked in the original post, it should give you an idea of the complexity
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Cool.
Can we order it directly from you, or need to order through importer?
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Just contact your local Bryston dealer, should be available in September when we launch S2.36
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Thanks, will do that.
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Hi Chris!
Can BDP access a WIFI hot-spot created by a mobile phone or tablet using this dongle
Cheers!
Antun
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Any update on pricing or availability?
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the manual, but does the BDP-1 support this kit?
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the manual, but does the BDP-1 support this kit?
Yes it does. But use the bottom rear jack. Not the front panel jacks.
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Any update on pricing or availability?
I also like to know, because I can really use this.
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I also like to know, because I can really use this.
Hi
I think its around $80.00 but email me at jamestanner@bryston.com and I will check and get back to you.
james
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I just send a e-mail ;-)
Thanks
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Hi James,
Is this being sold anywhere or only directly by Bryston? Is the price finalized?
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Hi James,
Is this being sold anywhere or only directly by Bryston? Is the price finalized?
I asked my local dealer and he told me this is still "forthcoming". Also I called Audio Advisor and the guy had no idea what I was talking about. What gives?
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I asked my local dealer and he told me this is still "forthcoming". Also I called Audio Advisor and the guy had no idea what I was talking about. What gives?
No idea. Hope someone from Bryston chimes in.
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Hi Folks,
Chris can answer in more detail but basically the DONGLE is a USB Thumbdrive that plugs into the rear of the BDP which allows it to be wireless and attach to your network. Helpful if you can not run an Ethernet cable to your setup.
We are still looking into it but have sent a few out as a beta and so far seems to be working OK. I think the price will be around $80.00.
We also are working on an internal wireless system for the BDP - which is almost complete. - looking for a name for this option - BONGLE ???
We are also going to be offering SS or Rotary drives as a factory option going forward.
james
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currently i believe only the wifi usb dongle has made it onto the price list and i believe James is correct, it is $80. The internal version for the BDP-3 should be available shortly, parts list has been finalized and stock should arrive sometime in December. Im not sure why the internal storage options arn't listed yet, as far as I am aware we have a small stock of each storage option and is likely just making its way through the paper work.
Chris
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looking for a name for this option - BONGLE ???
I hereby name it...Bryston DONG-1. :lol:
Second option is: BNA-1 (Bryston Network Adapter)
It's consistent with your naming. You're welcome.
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So these are working fine, but are still not being sold officially? Any comments on sound you guys want to make?
I would have loved to try one out and compare MPD (NAS) and Roon via ethernet vs. adapter, as well as against local attached storage.
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currently i believe only the wifi usb dongle has made it onto the price list and i believe James is correct, it is $80. The internal version for the BDP-3 should be available shortly, parts list has been finalized and stock should arrive sometime in December. Im not sure why the internal storage options arn't listed yet, as far as I am aware we have a small stock of each storage option and is likely just making its way through the paper work.
Chris
No Idea yet about release date for the "WiFongle"?
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The USB dongle, you should just be able to go into any bryston dealer and order one. If they are unaware of what it is, they should be able to contact us directly for pricing and info. The internal wifi option, I'm not sure exactly when it'll be available or how much it'll be.
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I talked with a more knowledgeable guy at Audio Advisor and ordered one of these. Works well.
Much harder to get it going than the instructions would suggest. Mostly because I had to do a global restore and reboot on the BDP before I could see the Bryston Digital Player site show up on my iPad's list of available networks. Until I figured that out, I tried different ports, unplugging everything else USB related from the BDP, a Windows machine and other Apple machines, ... . A real pain.
Also there seems to be another reboot needed after you set up the BDP to use your home network. When you hit 'apply' after picking your home network and putting in the password, a reboot automatically happens. However I am still not able to see the BDP from my iPad because the BDP is in limbo between it's own network and the home network details that you just put in. It keeps showing a message about wrong password and it is stuck. I found that manually triggering another reboot sorts everything and then you are off and running.
Works well after that.
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I talked with a more knowledgeable guy at Audio Advisor and ordered one of these. Works well.
Much harder to get it going than the instructions would suggest. Mostly because I had to do a global restore and reboot on the BDP before I could see the Bryston Digital Player site show up on my iPad's list of available networks. Until I figured that out, I tried different ports, unplugging everything else USB related from the BDP, a Windows machine and other Apple machines, ... . A real pain.
Also there seems to be another reboot needed after you set up the BDP to use your home network. When you hit 'apply' after picking your home network and putting in the password, a reboot automatically happens. However I am still not able to see the BDP from my iPad because the BDP is in limbo between it's own network and the home network details that you just put in. It keeps showing a message about wrong password and it is stuck. I found that manually triggering another reboot sorts everything and then you are off and running.
Works well after that.
Hi
Thanks for the feedback - do you feel we should expand on the instructions?
james
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Hi Chris/James,
I have some queries regarding the WiFi dongle.
My BDP-1 is configured as follows:
• All my music (FLAC) is stored on a Synology NAS, connected via a 1m Ethernet cable to a Linksys wireless router.
• The NAS and wireless router are at the opposite end of the house to the BDP.
• I currently use a five year old Netgear wireless range extender (N600) to connect to the back of the BDP via Ethernet.
• I’ve never used the USB ports on the BDP.
I've very recently upgraded my wireless router from a Netgear Nighthawk, to a Linksys WRT1900ACS. The enhanced performance on the BDP as a result is incredible. There is now zero skipping in the tracks, cd covers load instantly on the iPad, etc.
I'm not sure if this is a result of the new wireless router, but the BDP appears to boot up much quicker from the power being completely off (i generally leave it on all the time).
Due to the enhanced performance of the new router, I no longer really require the range extender except to connect it to the BDP via Ethernet.
Questions are:
1) Based on the above, would the dongle be a good purchase for me?
2) Would I see any wifi performance increase over my (approximately) 5 year old range extender?
Best wishes,
BrisbaneTom
Bryston 4BSST2/BP26/MPS2/BDP1/BDA1/BCD1/BHA1/BR2
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You might see a performance gain from using the WiFi dongle as you'd be transferring data via USB (300Mb/s) rather then the 100Mb/s Ethernet. I'm also not sure what kind of performance gain your going to see though with this change. Also if your using a 3rd party USB DAC with the BDP-1 it may not like sharing the USB interfaces with another device. My opinion would be to keep what you have and perhaps consider the WiFi dongle if the netgear extender either gives up the ghost or otherwise begins to be problematic.
Chris
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For anyone that is interested I recently moved my stereo setup and could no longer connect it via ethernet so I thought I would give a third party wifi dongle a go.
I bought a unit common to Linux Pi style systems, the Panda Wireless wifi kit for about US$10 and it seems to work fine with my BDP-1. Obviously transferring music is painfully slow, but for the purposes of controlling the BDP-1 the little usb wifi works great.
I just plugged it it, restarted the BDP-1 and followed the instructions on the Bryston website to set up the wireless settings. http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP_WiFi_MANUAL.pdf
So if you need one now, and can't wait for the official unit, this one seems to work.
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I talked with a more knowledgeable guy at Audio Advisor and ordered one of these. Works well.
Much harder to get it going than the instructions would suggest. Mostly because I had to do a global restore and reboot on the BDP before I could see the Bryston Digital Player site show up on my iPad's list of available networks. Until I figured that out, I tried different ports, unplugging everything else USB related from the BDP, a Windows machine and other Apple machines, ... . A real pain.
Also there seems to be another reboot needed after you set up the BDP to use your home network. When you hit 'apply' after picking your home network and putting in the password, a reboot automatically happens. However I am still not able to see the BDP from my iPad because the BDP is in limbo between it's own network and the home network details that you just put in. It keeps showing a message about wrong password and it is stuck. I found that manually triggering another reboot sorts everything and then you are off and running.
Works well after that.
I just tried setting up an un official dongle and got it working, I'm not sure if you tried this before or after the instructions were available from Bryston, but the official instructions are good to get it working, I tried doing it without the instructions by connecting the unit via ethernet, thinking I would have to do that to log in and change settings, obviously this didn't work and the wireless adapter never showed up as a network interface, but the instructions/method that Bryston presents make sense and work, and save stuffing around with cables. I also used an iPad to set it all up.
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Thanks for the info. Will look into it.
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A LOT cheaper too! :thumb:
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Just make sure it has the proper chip set
james
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Smart thinking looking for a pi compatibly WiFi dongle, although less common I have seen some 300Mbs variants out there with larger internal antennas. Also depending on the orientation of the bdp relative to the router you may want to consider plugging it into the front of the bdp rather then behind. I can't imagine power draw being anymore then our official 300Mbs unit (roughly 280mA at full power.... I think).
Chris
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The Bryston adapter or third party adapters should still work off of USB hubs right? Plug the USB adaptor into the USB hub and then the main USB output cable into the BDP?
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I see no reason why it shouldn’t
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A Bryston Dongle arrived today. I followed the instruction but no BDP network appears in my wireless network list and there is no response from http://192.168.57.1
it is like old times, I had forgotten the Bryson network frustrations of years gone by.
I have gone through the process several times, inserted dongle, rebooted, searched for the BDP network ... where should it appear? In the wireless network list? as a device?
I have tried with and without ethernet connected. I have tried on different Mac computers.
I have a BDP-1, using the most recent Macbook Pro, and the BDP-1 is running the most recent beta firmware from end of December.
Help! Thank you.
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If you push the down button on the front of the bdp you should see eth0 offline, pushing down again should show wlan0 192.168.57.1 if the bdp is configuring the wifi dongle.
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Thanks Chris, eth offline shows on pressing down button but with another press nothing happens - so this means dongle is not configuring? What to do now?
d
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Hi Docder,
Try using the "reset network" function on the from the menu system located on the front of the unit, while the dongle is plugged in.
right button
down to settings
right button
down to "reset network"
right button
wait for it to finish and turn the bdp off and back on
if it still isn't working you can either perform a global variable reset (found in the same menu as "reset network") or move the BDP so you can plug it into your network and place it in service mode (with the wifi dongle attached)
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf
Chris
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Thanks Chris, the global reset has brought on communication between dongle and BDP, the dongle is flashing away merrily now, I'm happy.
df
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Got wireless working on the BDP-1 with a USB adapter from another device.
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The instructions on the website worked. I did have to restart the BDP a second time before I could find my home network on the select down menu.
It's up and working. Will be testing it out with Roon. I do have a spare Audioquest Jitterbug laying around which I may consider adding down the road. Right now using as is. I'll be comparing it to my local closed ethernet setup which is powered with a LPS for the network switch and an assortment of Cat 6 UTP and Cat 6a S/STP shielded cables. I have the shielded cables in an assortment of grounding methods (Floating shields on both ends, one end etc.).
Before this, I actually did try something else which was using a bridged connection to connect ethernet directly from the Macbook Pro to the BDP-1 without any router or switch in between. I think Antipodes recommends that as well due to something about comms layer. FWIW.
Right now, I'm listening with Roon and Wifi adapter with nothing else plugged into the BDP-1.
As far as SQ is concerned, early impressions seem to be very positive! Perhaps better timing and/or clarity. It sounded great right off the bat. Involving. Reminds me of when I first brought in the Torus. The hash disappears and initially you feel as if the sound is drier but being more clear and 100% more engaging.
It just might come out ahead of all the combinations I've had with ethernet including MPD with flash drives straight. Let's see if that changes. The only thing I'm worried about on my end is wifi stability. Had some dropouts in between as the router is placed quite far from the room. Still, stable for the most part.
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Is the Bryston dongle limited to 2.4 Ghz or does it also have 5 Ghz antenna? Will the BDP-1 work with 5 Ghz adapters?
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I ended up ordering this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Panda-2-4GHz-300Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B00U2SIS0O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518743971&sr=8-1&keywords=panda+wireless+pau07&dpID=41bQPCMdcyL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
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Hi!
What chipset should a WiFi dongle have in order to work with BDP?
Cheers!
Antun
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Got the adapter: https://imgur.com/a/Quhfb
No stability issues with Roon now. Both the iMac (w/ Roon Core) and BDP-1 are connected by Wi-fi. Solid connection so far. Latency's also much improved over the previous adapter that I shared. It's instant response in play/pause and loading. No detectable difference to me in latency between ethernet and wifi now. Superb.
The blue LED is a bit bright, so will tape it up.
I have double Jitterbug pictured in the photo just to show that option. Subject to change.
I won't comment on the sound of this adapter (w/ or without Jitterbug) vs. my ethernet w/ LPS powered switch (using either Cat 6 UTP or floating both ends on Cat 6a S/SSTP) as of now.
There are two consistent sonic aspects in particular that have stood out in all the comparisons between the various flash drives/portable drives, ethernet combinations, external usb drives, Jitterbugs, Roon vs. MPD. The first has to do with how the dark the background comes across as. The blacker the background, the more dynamic the music appears as. The second has to do with tightness of the sound. In particular, I've used a lot of percussion, bass and drums for the assessment of this portion. The transient information on drums is such a boon to have. You can really pick apart the air, velocity, attack, and resonance. (It did help me figure out what was wrong with the grounded shielded cables and why I stopped using them - will add that later on to my other post). There is another aspect to the sound (how open and fluid does it sound) that I've been looking at in various combinations. This one is harder to define or look at objectively...it's more of a feeling (at this point).
However, I did notice that the sound was initially very odd all of a sudden that was uncharacteristic. It was bright and screechy which wasn't there with the previous adapter. I knew something was odd right away and went searching. I checked the 'Services' tab and both Roon and MPD were turned ON simultaneously. The CPU was over 30%. I turned MPD off and the CPU dropped off. Currently holding steady at 19%. Sound returned to normal. Smooth again.
Since updating to the latest firmware, I have noticed that both Roon and MPD can sometimes be left ON together unlike before. It might be a good idea to check up on this from time to time to see what's ON/OFF. I also keep the Samba Server OFF. Just USB mount and Roon Ready turned ON.
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Hi!
What chipset should a WiFi dongle have in order to work with BDP?
Cheers!
Antun
The official bryston wifi dongle uses a 802.11n ralink chipset, RT5572 i believe. But the firmware contains support for chipsets from realtek, atheros and some broadcom.
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I'm sticking with my ethernet LPS setup.
The Wifi adapters are very convenient, and didn't have any stability issues. There is something that I noticed inadvertently and I thought I was tripping at first. If you run these off directly of the BDP's bus power, you may want to pay attention to power consumption of these adapters. This can be variable and can result in subtle differences SQ wise. You won't have to worry about this if you offload the adapter to a USB hub, or possibly on BDP-2/3 as they have beefier USB ports. I did try mine off a USB hub and it works fine. If you don't have ethernet in your location and still want the best SQ from the USB adapter, you can power the USB hub with a 5V linear power supply and use Jitterbugs as needed.
The power consumption is variable and can be dependant on whether you are on 2.4 vs. 5 Ghz and how far you are located from your router, as well as how many devices and other routers you have in your area, how close these devices are to the dongle, and what frequency these devices operate on. I have a dual-band router and can assign what devices are on what frequency. I'm not going to explain the whole story as it'll get too long, but you may want to consider BOTH which frequency you are running the dongle at as well as which frequency other devices are running on. The easier they have to work, the better for SQ. This is entirely dependant on your particular area. Again, this can be avoided by offloading to a USB hub.
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For what it's worth, you can also repurpose the Cambridge Audio wireless dongles to work with a BDP-1. I gave it a shot before shelling out for a new wireless adapter on Amazon. It's not quite as seamless as using the Bryston dongle. You won't find that dedicated network waiting for you, but you can use a wired network to change all the settings then reboot and unplug the ethernet cord after the WLAN settings are in there.