I want to get into headphones - need advice

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #40 on: 4 Oct 2017, 12:13 am »
I think I have it narrowed to the sennheiser 558, the beyerdynamic 770 pro, but would love to demo the ThinkSound as I really like the look of the wood. Aesthetics the b&w and master dynamic cans are terrific but o my ears the sennheiser and Breyer sound better.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #41 on: 4 Oct 2017, 03:00 am »
I think I have it narrowed to the sennheiser 558, the beyerdynamic 770 pro, but would love to demo the ThinkSound as I really like the look of the wood. Aesthetics the b&w and master dynamic cans are terrific but o my ears the sennheiser and Breyer sound better.

I really like the Thinksound, and they fold up pretty small when you want to bag 'em.  But the on-ear earpads have convex surfaces that can slip off of your ears easily.  The Beyer 770 is bulkier of course, but very, very comfortable.  I imagine that the Senn 558 is also pretty comfy, but I think the 770 will accomodate bigger ears more comfortably than the 558.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #42 on: 4 Oct 2017, 06:33 am »
If you can I would stretch your budget and go for an hd600 new and used headroom/wheatfield amp or hd650 with a used Gilmore light amp. Not that people do not take care of their headphones. It is just awfully personal smell wise imo and a headband and ear pad exchange usually isn't cheap and eats up any savings quick. Headphone amps not so much to worry about used. That should get you decently close to your speaker set up headphone wise.

I have Sony APM-4 speakers with Tannoy/Teac st100's and Technics SE-A100 power amp. I also have Sennheiser hd800's with a ECP audio dsha-2 headphone amp. I really think both formats have allot to offer if given the chance. 

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #43 on: 4 Oct 2017, 06:47 am »
Well... a big part of the decision is going to be open vs closed here isn't it?

If it makes a difference, the older HD555 can often be found for dirt cheap.

A similar but easier to drive can compared to the DT770 would be Beyer's own COP.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #44 on: 4 Oct 2017, 11:40 am »
I tested used 555’s against some new 598’s I bought.  Very similar sound.

If open headphones work for you I would recommend the 598’s for a new purchase. 

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #45 on: 4 Oct 2017, 12:37 pm »
I tested used 555’s against some new 598’s I bought.  Very similar sound.

If open headphones work for you I would recommend the 598’s for a new purchase.

Is the 558 and 559 the newer version of the 555?

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #46 on: 4 Oct 2017, 02:25 pm »
Is the 558 and 559 the newer version of the 555?

Yes, and there was a common mod to convert the 555 to the equivalent 595 by removing a piece of foam inside.


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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #47 on: 4 Oct 2017, 04:02 pm »
The IEMs I use in my office recently broke, and I've been in need of a replacement.  Earlier this week I received a $100 amazon gift card, so I decided to start shopping and came across this thread.

Some quick facts:
I also own salks (songtowers and HT2-TLs)
I wanted a neutral sound
I wanted closed over ear for office use
I have a small amp, but wanted something that would work off a phone or ipod
I wanted to stay under $200.

After reading this thread and a quick search online, I went with NAD HP50.  The red version is on Amazon for $150. After my gift card, I got them shipped for a total of $50  :dance:

I'll try to report back once I get a chance to listen.  I've had a couple sets of sub $100 over ear headphones, and some fairly nice Etymotic, Sure, and Ortofon IEMs, but this will be my first set of decent over ear headphones.

apstoltz

Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #48 on: 4 Oct 2017, 04:21 pm »
The IEMs I use in my office recently broke, and I've been in need of a replacement.  Earlier this week I received a $100 amazon gift card, so I decided to start shopping and came across this thread.

Some quick facts:
I also own salks (songtowers and HT2-TLs)
I wanted a neutral sound
I wanted closed over ear for office use
I have a small amp, but wanted something that would work off a phone or ipod
I wanted to stay under $200.

After reading this thread and a quick search online, I went with NAD HP50.  The red version is on Amazon for $150. After my gift card, I got them shipped for a total of $50  :dance:

I'll try to report back once I get a chance to listen.  I've had a couple sets of sub $100 over ear headphones, and some fairly nice Etymotic, Sure, and Ortofon IEMs, but this will be my first set of decent over ear headphones.

Please let us know your take on the NAD.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #49 on: 4 Oct 2017, 04:36 pm »
The IEMs I use in my office recently broke, and I've been in need of a replacement.  Earlier this week I received a $100 amazon gift card, so I decided to start shopping and came across this thread.

Some quick facts:
I also own salks (songtowers and HT2-TLs)
I wanted a neutral sound
I wanted closed over ear for office use
I have a small amp, but wanted something that would work off a phone or ipod
I wanted to stay under $200.

After reading this thread and a quick search online, I went with NAD HP50.  The red version is on Amazon for $150. After my gift card, I got them shipped for a total of $50  :dance:

I'll try to report back once I get a chance to listen.  I've had a couple sets of sub $100 over ear headphones, and some fairly nice Etymotic, Sure, and Ortofon IEMs, but this will be my first set of decent over ear headphones.

That's a sweet deal!

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #50 on: 8 Oct 2017, 09:24 pm »
I've been looking into headphones for a while now and didn't want to spend over a hundred. Well after doing the research realized
I would need to go higher. I struggled with paying more but ended up with the Senheiser HD 598SR. They arrived Friday and they've
been on pretty much since then. All I can say is wow. Friday was "well they are decent and do sit well on my head", Saturday was they're
sounding better.  Today I can honestly say they sound really good. They do go down to the depths in bass naturally and not bloated. Midrange is awesome
and hf is there without being bright. Don't have knowledge of the others but am glad I ended up here. While they are open back, you really have to turn
the volume up to ear piercing before they become audible to those around and using them in an office setting don't have a lot of external noise to deal with.

Don

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #51 on: 8 Oct 2017, 09:26 pm »
I've had a couple hours of listening with the NAD HP50 now.  For initial listening I had CDs, bluray player, eastern electric DAC, and an Audio by Van Alstine fet valve ultra preamp (using headphone output).

I assume they'll get a little better after more break in, but overall I can't imagine anything better for $150. 

I'd say that in general they have a warm sound and wouldn't really classify them as neutral, but this makes them easy to listen to. It's been a long time since I was able to just relax and enjoy the music. 

Bass and low notes seem balanced, and aren't overbearing like some other headphones I've experienced.  Only criticism of the bass is that on some music it's a little punchy, which I'd describe as a thump sound.

Midbass seems slightly exaggerated and gives an overall warm sound.

Mids seem fairly accurate, but slightly overshadowed by the midbass

I can hear all the details of the highs, and honestly I heard some things I've never heard on my salks before.  While all the high sounds are present, they are a little rolled off.  For something that I plan to use in my office for hours at a time, I think this is a positive thing that will result in less fatigue.

Soundstage is fairly big, and it's easy to place all the vocals and instruments. Ray Charles - Genius Loves Company was a lot of fun to listen to.  The music just had a big sound and the instruments were distinguishable.

I thought I was hearing some sort of distortion, but it's possible it's the "Roomfeel" technology.  It could also be the tubes in my preamp.  I plan to do some experimenting to figure this out. Not really a negative or major issue, just thought I might have heard a little reverberation or break up on some songs.

The headphones are very comfortable. 

Another interesting thing was the tube / solid state button on my DAC.  With the push of a button, you can switch between tube and solid state.  With various speakers in the past, it was very difficult to hear much of a difference. With the headphones, it was fairly dramatic. 

Overall very happy with the headphones.  Not neutral and I wouldn't recommend them for critical listening, but I think they'd be great for anyone wanting quality sound that's easy to listen to.  I'm still somewhat shocked at the sound considering the pricepoint.  I'm very interested in seeing what some of the more exotic headphones have to offer now

 :thumb:



EDIT:

At the office now.  160GB Ipod with lossless files, Nuforce Icon Ido DAC/Amp and the NAD HP50.

Sound isn't quite as warm as it was at home and is a little more forward.  Bass isn't quite as present either. Still very pleasant to listen to though.

The sound is balanced at low volumes.

I've found that placement around the ears can make a huge difference. If the pads don't form much of a seal, the sound becomes thin sounding.

Isolation isn't nearly as good as the IEMs I was using.  In an office environment, and have coworkers who really enjoy talking loudly, crunching ice, and smacking while eating :p








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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #52 on: 8 Oct 2017, 09:44 pm »
Don how do you drive it? Do you use a amp?

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« Reply #53 on: 8 Oct 2017, 10:28 pm »
For office use I got a FiiO E10k but for home use my Accuphase C11 only with no amp.
Would like to try the Cambridge usb dac some time. Through the Accuphase is amazing.
Had no idea HP could sound this good. Really do like the open back compared to closed.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #54 on: 8 Oct 2017, 10:31 pm »
You use very fine amp :thumb:
Thanks

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #55 on: 8 Oct 2017, 10:35 pm »
For office use I got a FiiO E10k but for home use my Accuphase C11 only with no amp.
Would like to try the Cambridge usb dac some time. Through the Accuphase is amazing.
Had no idea HP could sound this good. Really do like the open back compared to closed.

Don

I am really leaning toward the 598, but the closed back model, as I would likely use these on the plane and at the office. I think the open back would be disturbing?

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #56 on: 8 Oct 2017, 10:51 pm »
I think it would be more disturbing to you verses to others.
I keep the sound fairly down and have had people walk in and ask me a question not realizing I have
headphones on and I can hear them through the phones easily and answer the question. You can hear
external noises but I don't have a problem with that. My previous headphones while blocking noise,
hurt my ears after prolonged use (they were on ear) and I was in need of something I didn't have to turn
up to get good sound. I really do like the open sound as opposed to closed back, in your head thing.
Old phones were rated at 32 Ohm and these while rated at 50 don't need near as much volume to creat
great sound. Found this helpful for my ears sake. Can't figure out why 50 is louder than the 32 though.

Don

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #57 on: 9 Oct 2017, 03:30 am »
Thank you guys for this thread. It is very helpful to read your opinions. Could any of you comment on the lower end planars? Hifiman 400's and the Monoprice? What about the Yamaha orthodynamic  HP1? Any experience with Fostex?

Thanks for investing your time.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #58 on: 9 Oct 2017, 06:29 am »
For office use I got a FiiO E10k but for home use my Accuphase C11 only with no amp.
Would like to try the Cambridge usb dac some time. Through the Accuphase is amazing.
Had no idea HP could sound this good. Really do like the open back compared to closed.

Don

If the Accuphase runs the headphone jack off the speaker outposts but with a resistor pad, then you're gonna get wonky interactions with the Sennheisers (mostly a midbass bloom due to the impedance spike of the headphones).


Thank you guys for this thread. It is very helpful to read your opinions. Could any of you comment on the lower end planars? Hifiman 400's and the Monoprice? What about the Yamaha orthodynamic  HP1? Any experience with Fostex?

Thanks for investing your time.

The Hifiman stuff is generally pretty good. There have been several versions of the 400... the original 400 and then 400i were actually somewhat bassier than the higher up 500/560. I wouldn't go any higher than the 500/560 for performance to cost ratio. I myself have an HE-6, but that's into silly territory there and I run them directly off speaker outputs.

I haven't heard the Monoprice planars, so can't offer any comments there.

The old Yamaha orthos are neat, but it's rare to find them now and they all need modding to sound their best. If you're into DIY, they are nice... but otherwise I'd stick with a Fostex and mod to your heart's content. If portability is a requirement, then the Oppo PM-3 is a nice choice.

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Re: I want to get into headphones - need advice
« Reply #59 on: 9 Oct 2017, 01:10 pm »
Armaegis: Not sure but would that mean when you plug in the hp jack the speakers shut off? The C11 doesn't.
I have to turn off the speakers manually by switch. After listening to this set up, ain't no wonky in this house.

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