SP4-Please!

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witchdoctor

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« Reply #20 on: 28 Jun 2017, 03:11 pm »
I have suggested something similar before...

But JBL is more or less just rebadging existing products, just as they did with Bryston's SP-3.
That would certainly not be the Bryston way... I suggested to take the digital part from Trinnov and add the analog part from Bryston... but the philosophy of Trinnov is quite different from Bryston's. Trinnov is THE room correction specialist, while Bryston (=James Tanner) is convinced that it potentially harms the sound quality more that enhancing it. So that would be an unlikely partnership... ;)

But who knows what James comes up with... he is always good for a surprise!

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Markus

I think Trinnov has an exclusive with JBL but there are other vendors to partner with. I think boutique vendors like Emotiva and Storm Audio would love to partner with a blue chip brand like Bryston.

 A Canadian firm like Anthem would also be an interesting partner.

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« Reply #21 on: 28 Jun 2017, 10:36 pm »
I think Trinnov has an exclusive with JBL but there are other vendors to partner with. I think boutique vendors like Emotiva and Storm Audio would love to partner with a blue chip brand like Bryston.

 A Canadian firm like Anthem would also be an interesting partner.

Are you trying to turn the SP3 into a movie processor? Again, I think the SP3 was designed more for music than the latest surround codec. I personally get immersive sound as is. Bryston also doesn't have EQ. Is this a problem? No. It also does not have DPL IIz. So what. Folks looking for ATMOS need a processor where the focus is oriented toward movies. By the way, you left out Classe. And, speaking of Anthem, they have the AVM60 (ATMOS processor) for 3k. Its True Dolby and DTS-MA processor, the dv2 is 10k. Anyone interested in either the SP3 or the dv2 would find a codec a secondary concern I would think.

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« Reply #22 on: 29 Jun 2017, 01:28 am »
Are you trying to turn the SP3 into a movie processor? Again, I think the SP3 was designed more for music than the latest surround codec. I personally get immersive sound as is. Bryston also doesn't have EQ. Is this a problem? No. It also does not have DPL IIz. So what. Folks looking for ATMOS need a processor where the focus is oriented toward movies. By the way, you left out Classe. And, speaking of Anthem, they have the AVM60 (ATMOS processor) for 3k. Its True Dolby and DTS-MA processor, the dv2 is 10k. Anyone interested in either the SP3 or the dv2 would find a codec a secondary concern I would think.

i don't know what the sp4 will end up being. i just think  any processor without immersive audio will not be competitive by 2020. netflix just announced that they are starting to stream in atmos. this is just what it is,whether or not you want it.amazon and the networks will follow

if i can get immersive audio on a mid fi receiver why shouldn't I get it on a high end processor? It should be table stakes.

BTW, Bryston's on wall speakers positioned high on the wall will work fine as height channels, no need to cut holes in your ceiling. Just angle them down 15 degrees or so.
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« Reply #23 on: 29 Jun 2017, 03:47 am »
i don't know what the sp4 will end up being. i just think  any processor without immersive audio will not be competitive by 2020. netflix just announced that are starting to stream in atmos. this is just what it is,whether or not you want it.amazon and the networks will follow

if i can get immersive audio on a mid fi receiver why shouldn't I get it on a high end processor? It should be table stakes.

BTW, Bryston's on wall speakers positioned high on the wall will work fine, no need to cut holes in your ceiling. Just angle them down 15 degrees or so.

If you have an SP3 and its not immersive enough then you need to look for a feature laden processor with Atmos. But, you may have to forgo features like balanced digital inputs and state of the art analog section. I think ATMOS has a speaker lay out that does not make music seem accurate. My SP3 is totally immersive in my room with a 7.1 and 2 subs layout. I have no interest in ceiling speakers and I was not awed when I heard them.

witchdoctor

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« Reply #24 on: 29 Jun 2017, 01:59 pm »
If you have an SP3 and its not immersive enough then you need to look for a feature laden processor with Atmos. But, you may have to forgo features like balanced digital inputs and state of the art analog section. I think ATMOS has a speaker lay out that does not make music seem accurate. My SP3 is totally immersive in my room with a 7.1 and 2 subs layout. I have no interest in ceiling speakers and I was not awed when I heard them.

The thing is you really need to experience it in your own room. The Wall by Roger Waters was mixed in Atmos, excellent. The Dolby Surround upmixer on music...meh IMO. Auro 3D on music rocks in my setup. But that is my taste in my room. But there is no way you can get truly "immersive" without height channels. You need a sound stage that extends from floor to ceiling which you can't get with only bed channels.

I don't use ceiling speakers either, I use height channels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTjdPWh4qHI

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« Reply #25 on: 13 Jul 2017, 09:19 pm »
The thing is you really need to experience it in your own room. The Wall by Roger Waters was mixed in Atmos, excellent. The Dolby Surround upmixer on music...meh IMO. Auro 3D on music rocks in my setup. But that is my taste in my room. But there is no way you can get truly "immersive" without height channels. You need a sound stage that extends from floor to ceiling which you can't get with only bed channels.

I don't use ceiling speakers either, I use height channels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTjdPWh4qHI

Aren't you using a Marantz 7702 processor?

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« Reply #27 on: 14 Jul 2017, 09:09 pm »

witchdoctor

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« Reply #28 on: 14 Jul 2017, 09:28 pm »
I guess you know its no where near the same class of an SP3, correct?

Of course the SP3 is probably the best 7 channel processor available.  :thumb:

I wanted an immersive 14 channel processor for Atmos and Auro 3-D and at the time this unit had the best bang for the buck.

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« Reply #29 on: 14 Jul 2017, 10:02 pm »
Of course the SP3 is probably the best 7 channel processor available.  :thumb:

I wanted an immersive 14 channel processor for Atmos and Auro 3-D and at the time this unit had the best bang for the buck.

At least you are honest. 8) :D

witchdoctor

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« Reply #30 on: 15 Jul 2017, 02:56 am »
At least you are honest. 8) :D

Sure, no one can deny Bryston quality. It is amazing that they do it all, from amps to turntables and everything in between. If I had a magic wand I would want a 16 channel Auro 3D capable SP4 (with an MQA DAC inside)
4 Active Mini T's, an Active Center Channel, and 4 Active On Walls or Active Mini A's as height channels. Throw in a Bryston power conditioner and that would be my dream system.

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« Reply #31 on: 13 Dec 2017, 07:40 am »
Any news on a Dolby ATMOS/ DTS-X compatible pre/pro from Bryston?

Or should we look into Emotiva, Marantz, Datasat of Trinnov instead???

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« Reply #32 on: 13 Dec 2017, 12:42 pm »
Any news on a Dolby ATMOS/ DTS-X compatible pre/pro from Bryston?

Or should we look into Emotiva, Marantz, Datasat of Trinnov instead???

Hi

Nothing short term - I would look at what others have available.

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« Reply #33 on: 1 Feb 2018, 10:22 pm »

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« Reply #34 on: 1 Feb 2018, 11:10 pm »
http://novo.press/bryston-sp4-surround-processor/

Yes the Gods have aligned the stars for us - came out of nowhere !

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« Reply #35 on: 2 Feb 2018, 02:54 am »
Yes the Gods have aligned the stars for us - came out of nowhere !

james

What can you tell and show us?

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« Reply #36 on: 2 Feb 2018, 12:07 pm »
What can you tell and show us?
Hi

StormAudio contacted us and said they were using Class D amplifiers currently but wanted to have a selection of quality Class AB amplifiers as well for their clients and would Bryston be interested in building some for them OEM.

After I looked at what technologies they had available in their processors I thought this could easily be a reciprocal arrangement. Its very difficult these days for one company to do it all so rather than trying to reinvent the wheel you are much better off forming alliances with other quality manufacturers to allow for more choices for your customers.  An example of that is our relationship with Axiom on our speaker project and PMC on their active speakers.

james

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« Reply #37 on: 3 Feb 2018, 04:24 pm »
Hmmmm...   looking at StormAudio’s website, it appears that they have great experience with sound in all of its aspects,   but I don’t see anything in there about HDMI 2.1 or what versions of HDR are supported.   I don’t really care about 8k, but HDR support for movies and live broadcasts is a must for me.

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« Reply #38 on: 3 Feb 2018, 05:15 pm »
http://novo.press/bryston-sp4-surround-processor/

I'll pass on this one. I have been to told by a retired engineer from Dolby that there aren't many really good Atmos soundtracks. Its too much money and work for the so called immersive or bubble of sound.

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« Reply #39 on: 3 Feb 2018, 06:21 pm »
Hmmmm...   looking at StormAudio’s website, it appears that they have great experience with sound in all of its aspects,   but I don’t see anything in there about HDMI 2.1 or what versions of HDR are supported.   I don’t really care about 8k, but HDR support for movies and live broadcasts is a must for me.

I was looking for that too. I don't think HDMI 2.1 was completed until fall of 2017. From what I gather, I think this processor has been on the market for about one year now. I'm guessing it's HDMI 2.0