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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #80 on: 16 Mar 2017, 02:09 pm »
Another expensive hp HifiMan Edition 6, you guess $6000:
http://audio-head.com/the-hifiman-re-2000-and-edition-6-ces-2017/

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #81 on: 16 Mar 2017, 03:29 pm »
Another Deep End audio product I won't ever buy

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #82 on: 16 Mar 2017, 05:27 pm »
Another expensive hp HifiMan Edition 6, you guess $6000:
http://audio-head.com/the-hifiman-re-2000-and-edition-6-ces-2017/


I know most of you guys probably don't read head-fi, but there was a huge backlash there on the announcement, particularly in regards to the price. But that's not the interesting part of the story. Fang Bian (owner of Hifiman) fell for the trolls and started fighting back and attacking the trolls in the thread. It was a gloriously clusterschmucker of failed PR. The whole thing ended with basically Fang pulling the Chinese equivalent of Godwin's Law.

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« Reply #83 on: 16 Mar 2017, 09:03 pm »
I know most of you guys probably don't read head-fi, but there was a huge backlash there on the announcement, particularly in regards to the price. But that's not the interesting part of the story. Fang Bian (owner of Hifiman) fell for the trolls and started fighting back and attacking the trolls in the thread. It was a gloriously clusterschmucker of failed PR. The whole thing ended with basically Fang pulling the Chinese equivalent of Godwin's Law.

I realize the price is high, but being their flagship electrostatic, is it completely outrageous, or "just too high?"

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #84 on: 16 Mar 2017, 09:26 pm »
As I had predicted in a old thread about the Orpheus 55K, now will appear various hp with high prices due the price of the Orpheus.
The guilty is Sennheiser, obviously other hp manufacturers are loving this situation, maybe the AKG K1000 will resurrect from the ashes soon with $10,000 ticket.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #85 on: 16 Mar 2017, 09:34 pm »
I know most of you guys probably don't read head-fi, but there was a huge backlash there on the announcement, particularly in regards to the price. But that's not the interesting part of the story. Fang Bian (owner of Hifiman) fell for the trolls and started fighting back and attacking the trolls in the thread. It was a gloriously clusterschmucker of failed PR. The whole thing ended with basically Fang pulling the Chinese equivalent of Godwin's Law.
Incredible, seems they are a small company.
I dont know anyone that read these hp forums the threads are too long, the best PR there is is low price and good custumer service.

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« Reply #86 on: 17 Mar 2017, 01:34 am »
As I had predicted in a old thread about the Orpheus 55K, now will appear various hp with high prices due the price of the Orpheus. The guilty is Sennheiser, obviously other hp manufacturers are loving this situation, maybe the AKG K1000 will resurrect from the ashes soon with $10,000 ticket.

The Orpheus is deliberately a lot of bling.  It would be interesting to find out how much Sennheiser would charge for a stripped-down system that sounds exactly the same.  On the other hand, from everthing I've read about the Focal Utopia (plus my experience with the Elear), the Utopia seems to give value for money spent.  Not "great" value necessarily, but given the technology and what I've heard myself, still something I would recommend for those who can spend the $4k plus whatever for an appropriate amp.

I generally am not satisfied with the planars I've heard, but if a person is really keen on planars and some $4k planar is that much better than the $2k planar, that might be a satisfactory purchase also. 

But saying that these things are just too expensive, period - I think that misses a lot of points of value they may bring to certain music and critical listening.  For headphones, I believe that the Senn HD800 and probably the Focal Utopia, and perhaps even the Stax SR009 - represent real value for those who can make the most of their unique qualities, and appreciate their sonic superiorities.

I've owned the $11k Leica Noctilux lens on the M Monochrom camera, and at that time there was nothing in 35 mm cameras quite like that combination.  Outrageously expensive for most folks, but real value if you can afford it.  That's just one example outside of hi-fi, but a good example based on a certain performance.  Maybe if these esoteric headphones were resellable for 65-70 percent of their original price a year later, people would buy them in larger quantities and the prices would be better.  Or maybe audiophiles should get together on group purchases.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #87 on: 17 Mar 2017, 07:33 am »
I realize the price is high, but being their flagship electrostatic, is it completely outrageous, or "just too high?"
A couple points...
1) I was commenting more on Fang's extremely poor reaction to the backlash and his engagement with the trolls. Someone should have ripped the keyboard away from him; those who were reading the thread before moderators swooped in saw the side of a man who got called out for pricing his items specifically to be the "most expensive" for bragging rights, and his childish attempts to cover it up
2) the build quality of their flagship headphones is pitiful for the price... I would sooner get an Oppo planar and have something that at least feels professional and secure
3) the Edition6 is not the electrostatic, you're thinking the Jade-II or Shangri-La or whatever they're calling it now


As I had predicted in a old thread about the Orpheus 55K, now will appear various hp with high prices due the price of the Orpheus.
The guilty is Sennheiser, obviously other hp manufacturers are loving this situation, maybe the AKG K1000 will resurrect from the ashes soon with $10,000 ticket.

As I mentioned earlier, the headphone market is really just playing catch up with the crazy pricing of the ultra high end hi-fi market. Plus all these "statement" pieces should not really be considered for the general public. They are mostly for PR purposes and bragging rights.

You might also want to consider a difference in culture. In the "nouveau riche" Chinese culture, there is a *significant* emphasis on looking and acting rich. Part of that is literally spending money on the most expensive toys and clothes and all that glitters. People wander around shopping malls acting pretentious and carrying empty bags, but these bags are from the elite stores to make it look like they are affluent enough to shop there (and people will pay big bucks for the bags alone). In this arena, Fang has chosen to create a glitzy piece of jewelry that happens to make music. That's not to discredit any of the R&D and everything that went into them, and reportedly they do sound good, but inside sources say he priced it to literally be higher than the Utopia because he desperately wants to have the title of most expensive headphone on the market. Sadly, this fact alone is going to push sales to the nouveau riche in China.

Also, there is in fact a successor to the K1000 coming out...

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #88 on: 19 Mar 2017, 03:08 pm »
In a surprising move Dr.Fang renamed the Edition 6 name to SUSVARA whatever it mean.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #89 on: 19 Mar 2017, 04:22 pm »
Perhaps in an attempt to distance it from the fallout of the earlier announcement and start over as it were.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #90 on: 20 Mar 2017, 10:39 am »
Funny thing - when the customers understand marketing better than the manufacturer, the manufacturer needs to consult with some new marketing people.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #91 on: 20 Mar 2017, 05:28 pm »
He desperately needs to hire a native English speaker who can handle the PR on this side of the ocean.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #92 on: 29 Jun 2017, 04:35 am »
He desperately needs to hire a native English speaker who can handle the PR on this side of the ocean.
+1 on this.  I saw a lot of the skirmish over on Head-Fi.  It was pretty ugly and darn funny too.  Fang wants to become one of the nouveau Chinese riche very badly, if he isn't already.

On another issue, I bought a pr. of HEX V2's used on Head-Fi.  They were my first pr. of ortho's and most likely my last.  I didn't care for 'em at all.  They were detailed and somewhat layered, but lacked any sort of dynamics and bass was non-exsistent.  I don't know if this was because they were open-backed or ortho's tbh.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #93 on: 29 Jun 2017, 05:36 am »
I know this is slightly off-topic,  but I thought I'd share this:

I've owned a number of "then current" flagship headphones (from Beyerdynamic, Senn, Ultrasone Ed.8, etc.)  for home use,  and finally said the heck with it.   I found what I was looking for in the Oppo PM-3,   picked it up used for $250.   In my opinion,  very comfortable,  good isolation, and very neutral/even sound.   I never would have guessed a headphone this affordable would be this good, and I'm not chasing flagships anymore.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #94 on: 30 Jun 2017, 05:40 pm »
That makes you the manufacturers' worst nightmare,. They need you to become vaguely dissatisfied with what you've got every few years even if it works/sounds just fine. Same goes for every other component. I'm kind of in a similar place. I was getting the "itch"to replace my HD650's, my tastes having drifted in a different direction due (I think) to my increasing use of my Etymotics and SE535's. I'd been considering selling the HD650's but since Massdrop is killing the used market with the "HD6xx" drop which is down to $199. I'll just keep them if it means a next-to-nothing sale price, but I do have an interest in a more neutral around-ear at a non-flagship price.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #95 on: 30 Jun 2017, 05:48 pm »
Fang has chosen to create a glitzy piece of jewelry that happens to make music. That's not to discredit any of the R&D and everything that went into them, and reportedly they do sound good, but inside sources say he priced it to literally be higher than the Utopia because he desperately wants to have the title of most expensive headphone on the market.
I guess he decided to exclude the ultimate 'blingphone', the Sennheiser Orpheus, from his radar.

Good points about the state of the industry. After Sennheiser proved that people would consider paying $1500 for a headphone, there has been a mad rush to discover just where the line is. Focal could probably sell the Utopia for the same price and still make money.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #96 on: 30 Jun 2017, 05:50 pm »
In a surprising move Dr.Fang renamed the Edition 6 name to SUSVARA whatever it mean.
Maybe it's Chinese for COVFEFE?

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #97 on: 1 Jul 2017, 02:37 am »
Maybe it's Chinese for COVFEFE?

I'll worry when Fang starts saying "It's a really good sound.  The best sound, believe me."

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #98 on: 1 Jul 2017, 03:41 am »
On a more serious (and on-topic) note, if I were spending that kind of coin on cans, I'd go Stax SR-009 long before Hifiman, primarily for the build-quality issues Armaegis mentioned.

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Re: Headphone Market News
« Reply #99 on: 1 Jul 2017, 06:10 am »
Funny thing - when the customers understand marketing better than the manufacturer, the manufacturer needs to consult with some new marketing people.
Ain't that the truth!