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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: Timslim18 on 22 Feb 2017, 11:45 pm
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This afternoon I read a Flipboard article from Sound & Vision that Bryston announced the BDP-3 today yet I have not seen anything on this or on the Bryston site.
What's the Canadian MSRP?
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Link: http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bryston-unveils-%E2%80%98lightning-fast%E2%80%99-digital-music-player#CRvPsHSFeKThKZbp.97
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I'm looking forward to the BDP-1 vs BDP-2 vs BDP-3 SQ comparison.
Also, with the increase in memory, I want to know how much each player actually stores the music. I think in the BDP-1 it stores music a few seconds in advance.
Although, it'd be nice to have say an entire album stored in memory before playback begins and the drive can be spun down. I don't know if this already happens on BDP-2 or BDP-3?
Also, will the faceplate on the BDP-3 be brushed or bead blasted?
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I'm looking forward to the BDP-1 vs BDP-2 vs BDP-3 SQ comparison.
Also, with the increase in memory, I want to know how much each player actually stores the music. I think in the BDP-1 it stores music a few seconds in advance.
Although, it'd be nice to have say an entire album stored in memory before playback begins and the drive can be spun down. I don't know if this already happens on BDP-2 or BDP-3?
Also, will the faceplate on the BDP-3 be brushed or bead blasted?
Hi
It will be bead blast.
james
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James - will it do DoP (64) via AES/EBU (others do it like the Lumin U1 for example)? Also does it allow one to downconvert (e.g. have DSD 64 or 128 to 176.4 PCM - Lumin does -http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1.html)? Thanks
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158255)
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James - will it do DoP (64) via AES/EBU (others do it like the Lumin U1 for example)? Also does it allow one to downconvert (e.g. have DSD 64 or 128 to 176.4 PCM - Lumin does -http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1.html)? Thanks
As far as I know DSD is only available through USB.
Chris would have to answer on the down-convert - why would you want that to happen?
james
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As far as I know DSD is only available through USB.
Chris would have to answer on the down-convert - why would you want that to happen?
james
James,
Would like to get off the USB connection and use AES/EBU (of course vs. my plain old Windows 10 music server vs a BDP-3 I could change my mind - have had many discussions, mostly via email with Karl S as I've been looking at an upgrade for over a year but have not pulled the trigger). My DAC would take 176.4 and upsample it to double DSD anyway. There's other things beside the Lumin that do DSD (64) on other than USB. The Lumin does it on all the digital inputs:
"Optical, Coaxial RCA, Coaxial BNC & AES/EBU:
DSD (DoP, DSD over PCM) 2.8MHz, 1bit
PCM 44.1kHz–192kHz, 16–24bit"
I was just getting more serious about getting a better player over the last week or so.
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Looks exciting.
James,
1. There have been studies by Benchmark that show that music mastered at 192/24 or higher may actually add distortion (e.g. more aliasing). How would 384kHz/32b improve SQ in players like BDP-3?
2. How would processor speed affect SQ (if at all)?
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CDN MSRP???
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Will the BDP-3 be able to act as the Roon Core?
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When can we buy it?
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Very cool!
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Congrats! I look forward to watch it and see its specifications!
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James - will it do DoP (64) via AES/EBU (others do it like the Lumin U1 for example)? Also does it allow one to downconvert (e.g. have DSD 64 or 128 to 176.4 PCM - Lumin does -http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1.html)? Thanks
Good question... DSD via AES/EBU sounds interesting...
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HI James,
Cool. we've been asking for chances to a BDP-3 and you've always denied it would be anywhere close, just not planned, because not necessary. And yet here it is!
Would you care to shed some light on “We had an opportunity to leverage some exciting new technologies in order to improve our flagship music player,”?
What are those technologies, and in what way do they leverage the specs of the BDP-2? Chris always emphasized usb3 and GB wifi weren't necessary at all given current file formats and (high) resolutions, so i wonder what could be the main driver for an update. Library size would be one aspect i could think of.. DSD isn't up specced ?
press releases state no real new possibilities over the BDP-2? other than the Streamlength protocol, which is just asynchronous usb? really in limbo just yet, still excited ;-) Which is what this hobby is all about isn't it?
Cheers,
Marius
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Will the BDP-3 be able to act as the Roon Core?
The Bryston BDP-3 is also a Roon Ready device. Roon Labs has created a software solution that delivers the ultimate user experience by merging Bryston’s exceptional digital playback hardware with an intuitive, graphically rich music library management and playback software. Users get the superb sound of the BDP-3 along with a highly refined user interface. - from The absolute sound
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CDN MSRP???
The Bryston BDP-3 is available for pre-order now with an expected delivery in 6-8 weeks. MSRP for the BDP-3 is $3495 US - again from Tas
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HI James,
Cool. we've been asking for chances to a BDP-3 and you've always denied it would be anywhere close, just not planned, because not necessary. And yet here it is!
Would you care to shed some light on “We had an opportunity to leverage some exciting new technologies in order to improve our flagship music player,”?
What are those technologies, and in what way do they leverage the specs of the BDP-2? Chris always emphasized usb3 and GB wifi weren't necessary at all given current file formats and (high) resolutions, so i wonder what could be the main driver for an update. Library size would be one aspect i could think of.. DSD isn't up specced ?
press releases state no real new possibilities over the BDP-2? other than the Streamlength protocol, which is just asynchronous usb? really in limbo just yet, still excited ;-) Which is what this hobby is all about isn't it?
Cheers,
Marius
Hey Marius -
There's a lot of fake news and alternative facts going around lately. :lol: :green:
Keep calm and listen on.
cheers
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Hey Marius -
There's a lot of fake news and alternative facts going around lately. :lol: :green:
Keep calm and listen on.
cheers
check. will do. thx....
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HI James,
Cool. we've been asking for chances to a BDP-3 and you've always denied it would be anywhere close, just not planned, because not necessary. And yet here it is!
Would you care to shed some light on “We had an opportunity to leverage some exciting new technologies in order to improve our flagship music player,”?
What are those technologies, and in what way do they leverage the specs of the BDP-2? Chris always emphasized usb3 and GB wifi weren't necessary at all given current file formats and (high) resolutions, so i wonder what could be the main driver for an update. Library size would be one aspect i could think of.. DSD isn't up specced ?
press releases state no real new possibilities over the BDP-2? other than the Streamlength protocol, which is just asynchronous usb? really in limbo just yet, still excited ;-) Which is what this hobby is all about isn't it?
Cheers,
Marius
HI
Yes the BDP-3 is something we decided on very recently and is really just a CPU circuit board that became available last month that Chris found. So until recently we had no idea of any changes forthcoming.
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses. The BDP-3 is still about 2 months away so we were just giving people lots of notice.
james
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Good question... DSD via AES/EBU sounds interesting...
From what I have been told DSD via AES is not legal - only USB?
james
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We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s
I just ordered one, does it get this new board?
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I just ordered one, does it get this new board?
Hi
As long as you are willing to wait the 2 months call the dealer and have him change it to the BDP3.
James
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Hi
As long as you are willing to wait the 2 months call the dealer and have him change it to the BDP3.
James
I already asked him :lol:
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From what I have been told DSD via AES is not legal - only USB?
james
I'm not sure James... I think you are right but other digital players do that, so it must be possible. Maybe paying royalties to Sony? I'm just guessing...
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I already asked him :lol:
So arranged, now waiting a little bit longer. Gladly the dealer will give me a loaner till this time :thumb:.
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James - will it do DoP (64) via AES/EBU (others do it like the Lumin U1 for example)?
If you dac will accept DoP via spdif, then yes, even the BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD and perhaps even the original Juli@ could. I've never tested it myself, but customers have reported that this configuration works.
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sometimes even the good things come unexpected... :thumb:
any news on the advantages if this new board, what new options would the user benefit from? What new functionality is on offer?
Cheers,
Marius
HI
Yes the BDP-3 is something we decided on very recently and is really just a CPU circuit board that became available last month that Chris found. So until recently we had no idea of any changes forthcoming.
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses. The BDP-3 is still about 2 months away so we were just giving people lots of notice.
james
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From what I have been told DSD via AES is not legal - only USB?
james
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/auralic-aries-hardware-impressions-and-information-21261/index13.html
"Some DACs are limited to DoP via USB but this is a limitation of the DAC *not* a limitation of DoP."
http://dsd-guide.com/dop-open-standard#.WK7vFzsrJaQ
"While this method is mainly targeted for USB links it is general enough to be applied to other PCM based links such as Firewire, AES/EBU, S/PDIF etc."
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If you dac will accept DoP via spdif, then yes, even the BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD and perhaps even the original Juli@ could. I've never tested it myself, but customers have reported that this configuration works.
Thanks - the DAC doesn't at the moment but it might in the future.
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From what I have been told DSD via AES is not legal - only USB?
james
Here's another link - http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/support/what-is-dop-dsd-over-pcm/
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What about the possibility to read ISO files?
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HI
Yes the BDP-3 is something we decided on very recently and is really just a CPU circuit board that became available last month that Chris found. So until recently we had no idea of any changes forthcoming.
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses. The BDP-3 is still about 2 months away so we were just giving people lots of notice.
james
So if the BDP-2 upgrade happens, what would the actual BDP-3 be capable of at that point that the BDP-2 with the upgraded board can't do? Anything?
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So if the BDP-2 upgrade happens, what would the actual BDP-3 be capable of at that point that the BDP-2 with the upgraded board can't do? Anything?
Generating new revenue $ for Bryston, I assume.
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So if the BDP-2 upgrade happens, what would the actual BDP-3 be capable of at that point that the BDP-2 with the upgraded board can't do? Anything?
It would be identical.
We have to change the main board and a new back panel as well as some cabling inside.
james
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Thanks. I was wondering about the back panel because I can see from the pic in the S&V link it's different but it can't be zoomed in so I wasn't sure what the different inputs/outputs all were.
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So with Roon there won't be any pops and clicks like on BDP-1?
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So with Roon there won't be any pops and clicks like on BDP-1?
HI
Sorry I have never used ROON with the BDP-1 so not sure on that count. Are you sure the ROON server you are using meets spec?
james
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HI
Yes the BDP-3 is something we decided on very recently and is really just a CPU circuit board that became available last month that Chris found. So until recently we had no idea of any changes forthcoming.
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses. The BDP-3 is still about 2 months away so we were just giving people lots of notice.
james
I got pretty exited when there was a hope of upgrading my SST2 amps to S3 (cubed). Unfortunately, all the regulatory junk got in the way and it wasn't feasible for Bryston to offer that upgrade, despite their best efforts to do so.
James, do you think there's any chance that the BDP2 to BDP3 upgrade will fall through also, or is the approval process different/easier since it's not an amplifier?
- Garrett
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So with Roon there won't be any pops and clicks like on BDP-1?
That sounds more like a problem with bandwidth availability, likely a bottle neck somewhere. Granted I generally don't use roon but I did use it for an entire evening testing it on a BDP-1 before submitting it for certification. Mostly tidal waves th some highres and DSD mixed in. If you wish to investigate further you should email us and we can discuss further, your welcome to repost anything exchanged, preferably as another topic.
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During my Roon trial, I got breakups maybe once or twice on the BDP-1. It was the same when streaming from a hard drive connected to the router feeding the BDP-1. BDP-1 didn't lack the juice. It was my network.
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On another note, any pics of the prototype of the BDA-3 and BP-26 combo, or which quarter we're looking at?
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HI
Sorry I have never use ROON with the BDP-1 so not sure on that count. Are you sure the ROON server you are using meets spec?
james
I do this daily and it works flawlessly. Although, it doesn't sound as sweet as USB thumb drives directly plugged into the BDP-1.
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James in an other topic (about the BDP-2) you said the following: (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110296.msg1589173#msg1589173)
Quote from: Hoiman on 14 Feb 2017, 10:03 am
Also this one has a flyer with it. On this flyer they said that there is a future upgrade coming: extra USB 3.0 ports. From when is this possible and what will the extra cost be?
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That was something we were thinking about but we were not able to implement it.
james
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses.
But now it's possible? This post is from 1 week ago, I don't get it anymore.
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I got pretty exited when there was a hope of upgrading my SST2 amps to S3 (cubed). Unfortunately, all the regulatory junk got in the way and it wasn't feasible for Bryston to offer that upgrade, despite their best efforts to do so.
James, do you think there's any chance that the BDP2 to BDP3 upgrade will fall through also, or is the approval process different/easier since it's not an amplifier?
- Garrett
Hi Garrett - no problem with the BDP-2 upgrade - already looked into it.
james
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James in an other topic (about the BDP-2) you said the following: (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110296.msg1589173#msg1589173)
But now it's possible? This post is from 1 week ago, I don't get it anymore.
Its possible now because of the new CPU in the BDP-3.
James
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Any idea as to the price to upgrade the BDP-2's yet? Given the nature of the upgrade that you describe I assume the units would need to be returned to Bryston? And since it's not warranty work we would be paying shipping both ways?
When the units come back I assume they will still be branded as BDP-2's not BDP-3's since there was no mention of changing the front panel, only the rear?
Thanks
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Any idea as to the price to upgrade the BDP-2's yet? Given the nature of the upgrade that you describe I assume the units would need to be returned to Bryston? And since it's not warranty work we would be paying shipping both ways?
When the units come back I assume they will still be branded as BDP-2's not BDP-3's since there was no mention of changing the front panel, only the rear?
Thanks
Hi Rod
Still looking at pricing and they will probably be called the BDP-2.5 to differentiate between a retrofit and a new BDP-3.
I would say it could be done in the field but in North America I would suggest we do it.
james
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Thanks
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HI
Sorry I have never used ROON with the BDP-1 so not sure on that count. Are you sure the ROON server you are using meets spec?
james
Pretty sure. It is WIN10 desktop Core i5 computer with 16GB of ram and all software (including roon) installed on SSD.
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It would be nice to be able to use Roon on BDP3 without having a dedicated PC involved. Anyway, I am more interested in an even better sound quality compared to BDP2 and in the capability of hadle DSD.
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Pretty sure. It is WIN10 desktop Core i5 computer with 16GB of ram and all software (including roon) installed on SSD.
Hi
That seems more than capable so not sure what is going on there.
james
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Hi
Quote from sound&vision :
"The BDP-3 is set up for integration with Roon library management/playback software..."
Just to be sure I understand this correctly,
The software will run on the BDP-3 CPU board and organize
the attached Library from with in the BDP-3 no PC needed in the system?
And if so how sound wise results compare to MM so far?
Thanks
Itshak
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Hi
Quote from sound&vision :
"The BDP-3 is set up for integration with Roon library management/playback software..."
Just to be sure I understand this correctly,
The software will run on the BDP-3 CPU board and organize
the attached Library from with in the BDP-3 no PC needed in the system?
And if so how sound wise results compare to MM so far?
Thanks
Itshak
Hi Itshak
No ROON still needs a PC Server. What we are seeing is if ROON CORE can run on the new CPU on the BDP-3 and if so will ROON allow us to include it.
james
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Hi,
Just thinking of a wish list for BDP-3: :thumb:
1) Larger display with colour capacities
2) Video out for a monitor
3) Favorite apps can be saved
4) DSD capable
5) No fan
6) USB - C connections
7) multi-channel playback
8) WiFi capable, not sure on this one
9) Keyboard or touch screen
10) Networking & control from different locations
11) Two internal hard drives
All everyone is welcome to add to the list...
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Hi,
Just thinking of a wish list for BDP-3: :thumb:
1) Larger display with colour capacities
2) Video out for a monitor
3) Favorite apps can be saved
4) DSD capable
5) No fan
6) USB - C connections
7) multi-channel playback
8) WiFi capable, not sure on this one
9) Keyboard or touch screen
10) Networking & control from different locations
11) Two internal hard drives
All everyone is welcome to add to the list...
Did I miss something that number 4 is already including in the specs? http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bryston-unveils-%E2%80%98lightning-fast%E2%80%99-digital-music-player#lcJEJMtskIBvTFi8.97 I did mention earlier about DSD over other than USB and that was answered in reply number 27
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Hi,
For DSD capable, the word that I was missing was 256. They say that DSD 256 is equal to the original master recordings, side by side comparisons... This feature would be great to have with the BDA-3 that is capable of DSD 256...
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Luigi
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That explains it. Not tons of quad DSD recordings at the moment though.
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HI
Yes the BDP-3 is something we decided on very recently and is really just a CPU circuit board that became available last month that Chris found. So until recently we had no idea of any changes forthcoming.
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses. The BDP-3 is still about 2 months away so we were just giving people lots of notice.
james
Interesting. The motherboard looks very much like a Jetway NF9N-2930 from around 2015. Out of curiosity I'll start looking for news of newly released Jetway motherboards that look the same.
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Hi,
Just thinking of a wish list for BDP-3: :thumb:
1) Larger display with colour capacities
2) Video out for a monitor
3) Favorite apps can be saved
4) DSD capable
5) No fan
6) USB - C connections
7) multi-channel playback
8) WiFi capable, not sure on this one
9) Keyboard or touch screen
10) Networking & control from different locations
11) Two internal hard drives
All everyone is welcome to add to the list...
Something with these would cost $15K+.
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according to the soundandvision news post "A follow-up to its BDP-2, the BDP-3 features a “lightning fast” Intel processor, 8 gigabytes of RAM for speed when navigating large digital libraries":
The current manic moose system seems to be 32 bit with a 32 bit mpd daemon. Which would limit the ability to use all of the 8 gigabytes of RAM on the BPD-3. Not that 8 gigabytes is really needed for the BDP-3, but would the BDP-3 be getting a 64 bit version of manic moose to be able to efficiently use all of that memory?
I expect it does not matter either way as even about 4 gigabytes of usable memory is heaps if you stayed with a 32 bit system, and staying at 32 bit might make development for all the different hardware variants easier.
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according to the soundandvision news post "A follow-up to its BDP-2, the BDP-3 features a “lightning fast” Intel processor, 8 gigabytes of RAM for speed when navigating large digital libraries":
The current manic moose system seems to be 32 bit with a 32 bit mpd daemon. Which would limit the ability to use all of the 8 gigabytes of RAM on the BPD-3. Not that 8 gigabytes is really needed for the BDP-3, but would the BDP-3 be getting a 64 bit version of manic moose to be able to efficiently use all of that memory?
I expect it does not matter either way as even about 4 gigabytes of usable memory is heaps if you stayed with a 32 bit system, and staying at 32 bit might make development for all the different hardware variants easier.
Hi plurn
Yes Chris is looking at software that would make use of the 64 Bit system in the future - I think he is calling it Nutty Narwhal.
james
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Hi,
I have bp-26 with internal dac and 4b3 and I would like to know:
1) is it possible to connect BDP-3 with bp-26 and use/enjoy all it`s (bdp-3) features/options or I need external dac for that?
2) what is the best way to connect my dac including bp-26/ with BDP-3? AES/EBU or S/PDIF?
Sry. when these questions are a little bit foolish, I am relatively green in these topics. Thanks!
Greetings from Estonia!
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Hi plurn
Yes Chris is looking at software that would make use of the 64 Bit system in the future - I think he is calling it Nutty Narwhal.
james
Thanks James.
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Hi,
I have bp-26 with internal dac and 4b3 and I would like to know:
1) is it possible to connect BDP-3 with bp-26 and use/enjoy all it`s (bdp-3) features/options or I need external dac for that?
2) what is the best way to connect my dac including bp-26/ with BDP-3? AES/EBU or S/PDIF?
Sry. when these questions are a little bit foolish, I am relatively green in these topics. Thanks!
Greetings from Estonia!
Hi Salakavald
1.You can connect to the BP-26 through the COAX Digital input on the rear of the BP-26 but you are limited to 96/24 bit resolution whereas the outboard DAC can do 384/24 plus DSD files.
2. You can only use SPDIF COAX as that is the only connector on the back of the BP-26. Our outboard DAC has many more options AES/COAX/HDMI/OPTICAL/USB.
james
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That explains it. Not tons of quad DSD recordings at the moment though.
I bought one by mistake :duh:
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Hi,
For DSD capable, the word that I was missing was 256. They say that DSD 256 is equal to the original master recordings, side by side comparisons... This feature would be great to have with the BDA-3 that is capable of DSD 256...
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Luigi
As far as I am aware the current BDPs are already DSD256 capable -from Bryston's BDP brochure the 1 is shown at DSD 256 and the 2 at DSD 512 max. But to actually play DSD 256 you would need a DAC that can accept DoP of that resolution - i.e. a DSD capable DAC that accepts a PCM input at 24/704 or 768 (a Chord Mojo for example) as the current BDPs don't output "raw" DSD afaik and Linux has limited support for it. I have a number of HDTT releases in 256 but have to downsample them offline to 128 to play with the BDP1 and my DAC.
I can also confirm from experience that the BDP2 does play at least DSD64 over SPDif and presumably therefore also via AES with the right DAC.
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Hi Salakavald
1.You can connect to the BP-26 through the COAX Digital input on the rear of the BP-26 but you are limited to 96/24 bit resolution whereas the outboard DAC can do 384/24 plus DSD files.
2. You can only use SPDIF COAX as that is the only connector on the back of the BP-26. Our outboard DAC has many more options AES/COAX/HDMI/OPTICAL/USB.
james
Thank You James!
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Hi James,
do you know when the BDP3 will be available for Europe? When it will appear on Bryston's website among the digital players?
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Hi James,
do you know when the BDP3 will be available for Europe? When it will appear on Bryston's website among the digital players?
Hi Grant
We are still about 6-8 weeks out - just wanted to give everyone lots of notice. The first 25 are sold so it may be a bit longer than anticipated.
james
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Thank you James,
that makes sense.
Cheers
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I wouldnt expect to see these for another 4-6 months
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With Spotify going lossless, any chance that Spotify integration into the BDP players will gain some momentum?
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I ordered one, I hope I belong to these first 25 :thumb:
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With Spotify going lossless, any chance that Spotify integration into the BDP players will gain some momentum?
Hi Zoom
No plans at this point with Spotify - just Shoutcast and Tidal.
james
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Hi James,
reading the messages here, i still believe to be a bit in limbo as to what the BDP-3 will be able to do the BDP-2 can't right now? :scratch: :scratch:
Nutty Narwhal in 64 bit was mentioned by Chris before (i even asked if that was to be taken as an announcement for the BDP3.... wasn't negated ;-)
Still, that NN announcement wasn't very clear on the new specs. Just as your announcement of the BDP-3 isn't for that matter.
Could you please state the progress being made with this new development into the BDP-3. Whats the (r)evolution?
Thanks,
Marius
HI
Yes the BDP-3 is something we decided on very recently and is really just a CPU circuit board that became available last month that Chris found. So until recently we had no idea of any changes forthcoming.
We are going to offer this new CPU circuit board as a retro fit to current BDP-2’s – I will let you know how that progresses. The BDP-3 is still about 2 months away so we were just giving people lots of notice.
james
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Hi James,
reading the messages here, i still believe to be a bit in limbo as to what the BDP-3 will be able to do the BDP-2 can't right now? :scratch: :scratch:
Nutty Narwhal in 64 bit was mentioned by Chris before (i even asked if that was to be taken as an announcement for the BDP3.... wasn't negated ;-)
Still, that NN announcement wasn't very clear on the new specs. Just as your announcement of the BDP-3 isn't for that matter.
Could you please state the progress being made with this new development into the BDP-3. Whats the (r)evolution?
Thanks,
Marius
Hi Marius
Nothing revolutionary at all - just everything is much faster ( Ex start up is less than 30 seconds) due to the much more powerful CPU and Chris has new software that will be at least a year away (NN) that can benefit from 64 bit. The extra power also allows us to develop more programs in the future as these additions require more and more horse power.
Kind of like what occurred when you went from your BDP-1 to your BDP-2
james
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HI James, Thanks!
would it be anywhere possible to have a little comparison like we had before, on spec like speed, powerup/down, library size, formats, and usb/wLan etc? Since the BDp3 has more memory, the Bot side of things seem to be able to take advantage of that. So please add that into the comparison too. Play from memory, playlist, ripping speed etc.
Cheers and thanks again,
Marius
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I am reading between the lines here Marius... the BDP3 is atleast 6 months out and its so early that Bryston cant even tell you exactly what the improvements/changes will be. Come back in 6 months and we should know more
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BDP3 is on bryston's website now :D http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-3.html
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Nice photos.
Question for Bryston. The back panel photo of BDP-3:
I see three USB 2.0 ports. Two are clustered with the ethernet port. One is separated out adjacent to a USB 3.0 port below the two other 3.0 ports.
Are the two 2.0 ports under the ethernet port for ethernet-controlled drives, and is the 2.0 port separated from the ethernet port NOT controllable by ethernet (i.e. iDevice)?
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Power from USB ports:
What are the power specs for each USB port -- which ones of the 6 will drive a 1-TB drive alone?
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Nice photos.
Question for Bryston. The back panel photo of BDP-3:
I see three USB 2.0 ports. Two are clustered with the ethernet port. One is separated out adjacent to a USB 3.0 port below the two other 3.0 ports.
Are the two 2.0 ports under the ethernet port for ethernet-controlled drives, and is the 2.0 port separated from the ethernet port NOT controllable by ethernet (i.e. iDevice)?
Yes, certainly a magical frontside, very beautiful and chique.
But an unusual messy backside, not very Brystonian at all... and, proven by your question, not very intuitive. Very interested what's what for though, maybe some hidden features are luring out there. Maybe that new motherboard is cause for unknown ways and options. #fingerscrossed
Who would use the rs232 and vga port these days :scratch: Isn't all home automation done over the Lan/Ip.
Cheers,
Marius
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LMFAO from the BDP-3's page:
"The AES/EBU and S/PDIF outputs are fully impedance matched and transformer coupled for the best possible digital audio transmission to the DAC of your choice. Jitter is reduced to virtually undetectable levels."
I would like to think I had some input in getting Bryston to include this. My work here is done. :lol: :lol:
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Who would use the rs232 and vga port these days :scratch: Isn't all home automation done over the Lan/Ip.
Cheers,
Marius
Yeah, I've never used RS/VGA on any Bryston unit.
After looking at the brochure, I suspect that one of the clusters of USB ports is for connecting to the USB of a DAC? If so, which one (I don't use USB on my BDA-1)? Ideally, would love to have all 6 USB ports with enough power to accept a 1-TB pocket drive with no stammer issues. Right now, I like my powered USB hub feeding multi-drives to BDP-1 -- no hiccups whatsoever even on Loony Loon (a vastly under-rated OS, imho).
Prosit
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LMFAO from the BDP-3's page:
"The AES/EBU and S/PDIF outputs are fully impedance matched and transformer coupled for the best possible digital audio transmission to the DAC of your choice. Jitter is reduced to virtually undetectable levels."
I would like to think I had some input in getting Bryston to include this. My work here is done. :lol: :lol:
LOL I'll recommend you for the Bryston Distinguished Service Cross.
Happy now?
How's the cable/drive experimentation coming along?
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Yes, certainly a magical frontside, very beautiful and chique.
But an unusual messy backside, not very Brystonian at all... and, proven by your question, not very intuitive. Very interested what's what for though, maybe some hidden features are luring out there. Maybe that new motherboard is cause for unknown ways and options. #fingerscrossed
Who would use the rs232 and vga port these days :scratch: Isn't all home automation done over the Lan/Ip.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
No hidden features - it is just where the connections on the main board are connected to the CPU. We do not want to start removing delicate parts and moving them around and rewiring or re-soldering. If we did that it would create inconsistency and also void the warranty on the CPU.
james
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LOL I'll recommend you for the Bryston Distinguished Service Cross.
Happy now?
How's the cable/drive experimentation coming along?
I'll update the dedicated thread for the drive. I had an entire post ready, but my computer froze, and now I'm contemplating if I should even bother typing it up again. It was actually a useful and informative post of not only my info but others as well from other forums and blogs.
Regarding the whole digital cable, with my current DAC and using the Mogami 3173 wire in different lengths, I'm sticking with the longer 18 footer cable for the time being. If I either change my DAC and/or get another type of AES cable, only then I'm touching that topic again for both my curiosity and for posting more info.
I tried asking about DC coupling vs. transformer coupling. Got nothing back. Then spent some time recording clips (kinda useful) and uploading it. Got nothing back. I think most people don't care about these things, which makes sense. I mean who would want to keep tinkering with these things after spending so much money. You would expect it to be perfect.
Although, I know from past experience on other components where manufacturers have been hush-hush (and to be fair almost every manufacturer is) when I bring up certain things after extended and meticulous testing. Then absolute silence...until the next update of the product and I'll see my feedback somehow being incorporated. So it all works out in the end. :lol:
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^ Yeah, at least some of them listen to users' input.
Me, I get no respect around here.
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't nobody's thinking."
- George Patton
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The one thing that got me excited about the BDP-3 was the 8 GB piece. Currently, with the BDP-1, if you press play on any album or song it will play immediately and continue to buffer the next few seconds of the stream into memory and play it from there. I'm not sure how much it buffers into the BDP-2.
However, it could be fun to try out the BDP-3 in two modes if its possible to implement it. 1) Regular mode - plays just like the existing BDPs and immediately
Mode 2 - For us crazy people. Say you plug in a flash drive and then next you can add an entire album of WAV (approx 600 MB) and let it buffer it all into memory. ALL OF IT. I wouldn't mind the wait. Then you are able to either power down the drive or better yet even fully remove it so you have no worries about noise leaking through. Then you press play and listen to it and listen all the way through. This is the only thing I can think of where SSD's, flash drives, and hard drives all truly become meaningless.
Of course, Mode 1 should be the default as most people are looking for the easiest solution, but mode 2 could be fascinating as a second option. Is this even feasible/implementable?
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Hi James,
did you have the chance to compare the BDP3 with BDP2 using SPDIF or AES/EBU connections?
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Hi James,
did you have the chance to compare the BDP3 with BDP2 using SPDIF or AES/EBU connections?
Hi Grant
I have a BDP-3 at home now but had to give up my BDP-2. I should have another BDP-2 soon so will try some comparisons.
I would not expect there to be much of a difference as the Bryston sound card is identical in both.
james
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Power from USB ports:
What are the power specs for each USB port -- which ones of the 6 will drive a 1-TB drive alone?
All of them will power hard drives that require bus power and we tested three drives simultaneously
4TB USB bus powered drive
1TB USB bus powered drive
120GB SSD connected internally via SATA
the BDP-3 can likley power more then this, but at this point you might as well invest in a NAS
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Who would use the rs232
installers still use, although there is certainly a shift to use tcpip
the vga is still on there as it was the only component we didn't want on the new system board, but at the same time didn't want to remove it ourselves for reasons James mentioned or be held hostage to a MQO either.
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Yeah, I've never used RS/VGA on any Bryston unit.
After looking at the brochure, I suspect that one of the clusters of USB ports is for connecting to the USB of a DAC? If so, which one (I don't use USB on my BDA-1)? Ideally, would love to have all 6 USB ports with enough power to accept a 1-TB pocket drive with no stammer issues. Right now, I like my powered USB hub feeding multi-drives to BDP-1 -- no hiccups whatsoever even on Loony Loon (a vastly under-rated OS, imho).
Prosit
the extra USB ports were added to give the system a separate USB bus to better support 3rd party DAC's that require they be on there own USB bus. These extra USB ports can still handle a bus powered drive easily enough, however as mentioned a bit earlier if you need more then two hard drives you might want to consider a NAS product.
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the extra USB ports were added to give the system a separate USB bus to better support 3rd party DAC's that require they be on there own USB bus. These extra USB ports can still handle a bus powered drive easily enough, however as mentioned a bit earlier if you need more then two hard drives you might want to consider a NAS product.
Thanks for your replies, Chris.
So, in a nutshell -- there are 6 USB ports there in the photo.
ALL 6 will each power at least a 500-GB or 1-TB USB-powered drive?
ALL 6 are bi-directional (can output to DAC and receive from drive)?
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Thanks for your replies, Chris.
So, in a nutshell -- there are 6 USB ports there in the photo.
ALL 6 will each power at least a 500-GB or 1-TB USB-powered drive?
ALL 6 are bi-directional (can output to DAC and receive from drive)?
all 6, plus the two on the front will work with drives or dacs in any combination.
potentially you could connect 6 hard drives to the back of this thing, we haven't tested it, i do know that the BDP-2's firmware started to get a little hairy at five drives. Also if you have so much you need to stick it on 6 drives you should really consider a network solution.
Cheers,
Chris
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all 6, plus the two on the front will work with drives or dacs in any combination.
potentially you could connect 6 hard drives to the back of this thing, we haven't tested it, i do know that the BDP-2's firmware started to get a little hairy at five drives. Also if you have so much you need to stick it on 6 drives you should really consider a network solution.
Cheers,
Chris
I use 2 drives at the back (1-TB, 500-GB) plus 3 thumbdrives, into a powered USB hub. BDP-1.
For something like this, I can easily put my library on a single 2-TB drive or 2 x 1-TB. No NAS for me. I like compact drives.
Looks like the BDP-3 is a winner based on the power specs alone (and by inference, speed of handling multiple drives/BIG libraries).
Well done, Bryston!
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Chris,
Can the MPad app still control BDP-3?
Ships with Moose or Nutty Nadim?
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Chris,
Can the MPad app still control BDP-3?
Ships with Moose or Nutty Nadim?
Per James' reply number 77, the 64 bit software is a way off:
"Hi Marius
Nothing revolutionary at all - just everything is much faster ( Ex start up is less than 30 seconds) due to the much more powerful CPU and Chris has new software that will be at least a year away (NN) that can benefit from 64 bit. The extra power also allows us to develop more programs in the future as these additions require more and more horse power.
Kind of like what occurred when you went from your BDP-1 to your BDP-2
james"
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Any idea on BDP2 upgrade cost?
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Chris,
Can the MPad app still control BDP-3?
Ships with Moose or Nutty Nadim?
Hi
Yes I have used it with no issues.
james
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Any idea on BDP2 upgrade cost?
The bean counters have not looked at it yet but I expect about $1000 to $1200.
james
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What is Nutty Nadim?
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isn't that what Chris is calling the next BDP OS? :scratch:
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What is Nutty Nadim?
See James' Post No. 62
"Quote from: plurn on 25 Feb 2017, 05:07 am
according to the soundandvision news post "A follow-up to its BDP-2, the BDP-3 features a “lightning fast” Intel processor, 8 gigabytes of RAM for speed when navigating large digital libraries":
The current manic moose system seems to be 32 bit with a 32 bit mpd daemon. Which would limit the ability to use all of the 8 gigabytes of RAM on the BPD-3. Not that 8 gigabytes is really needed for the BDP-3, but would the BDP-3 be getting a 64 bit version of manic moose to be able to efficiently use all of that memory?
I expect it does not matter either way as even about 4 gigabytes of usable memory is heaps if you stayed with a 32 bit system, and staying at 32 bit might make development for all the different hardware variants easier."
"Hi plurn
Yes Chris is looking at software that would make use of the 64 Bit system in the future - I think he is calling it Nutty Narwhal.
james"
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Close, but I think he means nutty narwhal (S3.XX), the unicorn of canada's north and it has no ETA. We want to work on manic moose some more as there is a 50/50 chance the BDP-1 platform won't see nutty narwhal support and we'd like to bring the dashboard v2 originally planned for nutty narwhal to BDP-1 owners. Dashboard v2 for those not aware is a new method of browsing the library that is integrated into, well the dashboard. Also there could be a side project to bring Roon Core to the BDP-3, which would further delay nutty narwhal.
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the unicorn of canada's north and it has no ETA.
Thanks for clarifying what the name meant
(https://c402277.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/photos/5905/images/story_full_width/HI_232813_Paul_Nicklen_National_Geographic_Stock_WWF_Canada.jpg?1387810140)
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^ Looks like a Russian sub wreck from the '50s.
Brain cramp, my bad, that's all.....
Narwhal....repeat 50 times....
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Close, but I think he means nutty narwhal (S3.XX), the unicorn of canada's north and it has no ETA. We want to work on manic moose some more as there is a 50/50 chance the BDP-1 platform won't see nutty narwhal support and we'd like to bring the dashboard v2 originally planned for nutty narwhal to BDP-1 owners. Dashboard v2 for those not aware is a new method of browsing the library that is integrated into, well the dashboard. Also there could be a side project to bring Roon Core to the BDP-3, which would further delay nutty narwhal.
Hi,
does bringing Roon Core on the BDP3 mean that it won't be necessary anymore to install Roon on a PC or NAS and use Roon with a BDP3 only?
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Close, but I think he means nutty narwhal (S3.XX), the unicorn of canada's north and it has no ETA. We want to work on manic moose some more as there is a 50/50 chance the BDP-1 platform won't see nutty narwhal support and we'd like to bring the dashboard v2 originally planned for nutty narwhal to BDP-1 owners. Dashboard v2 for those not aware is a new method of browsing the library that is integrated into, well the dashboard. Also there could be a side project to bring Roon Core to the BDP-3, which would further delay nutty narwhal.
Roon Core sounds very interesting of course, but only if you would have the top specs needed for that. anything below an I7 processor would be considered less than optimal especially with ever growing libraries..... Does the new motherboard have an I7?
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi Grant
I have a BDP-3 at home now but had to give up my BDP-2. I should have another BDP-2 soon so will try some comparisons.
I would not expect there to be much of a difference as the Bryston sound card is identical in both.
james
Thank you James.
As I own a BDA3 I expect some improvements with Bryston's proprietary IAD Integrated Audio Device.
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Hi,
does bringing Roon Core on the BDP3 mean that it won't be necessary anymore to install Roon on a PC or NAS and use Roon with a BDP3 only?
Yes thats the plan so we are going to look into that given the power of the new CPU in the BDP-3.
james
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Yes thats the plan so we are going to look into that given the power of the new CPU in the BDP-3.
james
woudn't you be leaving the philosophy of separating processing and playing tasks that started the whole idea behind the success of the BDPs.
Not even considering the power question of the new board, which would soon be not powerful enough for Roon and force the need to upgrade...
I would have believed the architecture of having a powerful Roon computer and a dedicated player to be the preferred and advised one? At least according to Roon.
Cheers,
Marius
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It's really no different then including shairplay or squeezelite, it opens the BDP to a wider audience. It's not what we originally intended nor what some necessarily consider as ideal, but some may likely want it and making it an option that can be turned off or needs to be turned on prevents it from interfering with anything else. Depending my on the feedback we get we maybinplement something sooner rather then later.
Regarding the CPU, I have discussed the BDP-3's specs at length with my counter part over at roon and his only concern was the SSD we intend to include (32GB msata drive from apacer). I believe the plan is going to be to offer a Samsung evo 850 500GB drive instead (about 470GB available for music files) for those that just want it and don't care about the added markup or you can send us your own drive and we will use it instead.
The CPU isn't much of a concern, a quad core 2ghz-ish atom and as it has been announced 8GB of ram which roon would have access to as a roon core requirement is a 64 bit os.
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Yes thats the plan so we are going to look into that given the power of the new CPU in the BDP-3.
james
wow that would make the BDP3 a game changer in the market
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It's really no different then including shairplay or squeezelite,
HI Chris,
Don't get me wrong, im excited to hear about the developments, but on your statement above, that's not really the fact isn't it? I might not understand it correctly but one could compare shairplay with the BDP being a Roon endpoint, but not with being the Roon Server? Streaming over Shairplay isn't the same as the BDP acting as a full iTunes server?
Why Core https://kb.roonlabs.com/Why_Core%3F (https://kb.roonlabs.com/Why_Core%3F)
Suggested Hardware 20K albums I7/8gb ram https://community.roonlabs.com/t/suggested-hardware/90/20 (https://community.roonlabs.com/t/suggested-hardware/90/20)
... About the Atom: Some CPU series (Celeron, Atom) are severely cache constrained.
Could you indicate which Atom processor you will be using? https://ark.intel.com
Cheers Marius
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Hi,
does bringing Roon Core on the BDP3 mean that it won't be necessary anymore to install Roon on a PC or NAS and use Roon with a BDP3 only?
Yes, we think this would help simplify a Roon setup involving a Bryston source, the BDP-3 would act as both the source and the server and you would use a computer or tablet as the controller.
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great idea... Thank you Chris!
P.S. are you Chris, aren't you?
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Pete, (Canadian Maestro),
tried to answer your PM but you're blocking me ;-)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158957)
Sorry Board, for this.
Cheers,
Marius
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Pete, (Canadian Maestro),
tried to answer your PM but you're blocking me ;-)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158957)
Sorry Board, for this.
Cheers,
Marius
Thanks, Marius.
Should be ok now.
Apologies.
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wow that would make the BDP3 a game changer
Agreed !
I love my bdp-1 and haven't seen the need to upgrade to a bdp-2, but if a bdp-3 can run Roon then that's a completely different proposition!
Will wait to see what happens with interest...
Ian
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The BDP2 will run Roon. :scratch:
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Eagerly awaiting this product. :)
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The BDP2 will run Roon. :scratch:
As an Endpoint (music recipient), yes, but I don't believe it has the processing power to also act as a Core (music server).
If the BDP-3 is powerful enough to do both, it removes the need to have something else on your network - such as a computer or powerful enough NAS - to be left on all the time just to serve the files.
Ian
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It'll be interesting to know if this is truly powerful enough to be a Roon Core.
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It'll be interesting to know if this is truly powerful enough to be a Roon Core.
It should be - https://kb.roonlabs.com/FAQ:_What_are_the_minimum_requirements%3F
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It should be - https://kb.roonlabs.com/FAQ:_What_are_the_minimum_requirements%3F
Chris knows better but as I understand the CPU is more than capable - its just that it needs a storage device for the Library.
james
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James/Chris
It is my understanding that running the BDP-2 with Roon basically would amount to network streaming (using a PC with Roon Core) vs. playing from local hard drives? Some have noted that the playback quality is not as good or different (depending on how one wants to categorize it). Am I correct in understanding that if the BDP-3 acts as a Roon Core then playback will amount to local drive playback? Thanks.
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I'm very excited about the Roon Core possibilities on the BDP-3. It would be the solution I've been looking for. I'll be watching for more updates!
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Will the BDP 3 be able play 11.2896 MHz DSD?
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BDP 3 be able play 11.2896 MHz DSD?
Isn't this depending on your DAC. I had for 3 weeks a BDA-1, this one doesn't play DSD files but the BDA-3 I got today do play them.
ps. I heard today that I will be the first person in The Netherlands who is going to get the BDP-3, I can not wait anymore. :D :D
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ps. I heard today that I will be the first person in The Netherlands who is going to get the BDP-3, I can not wait anymore. :D :D
Looking forward to feedback
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Isn't this depending on your DAC. I had for 3 weeks a BDA-1, this one doesn't play DSD files but the BDA-3 I got today do play them.
ps. I heard today that I will be the first person in The Netherlands who is going to get the BDP-3, I can not wait anymore. :D :D
Congrats
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Isn't this depending on your DAC. I had for 3 weeks a BDA-1, this one doesn't play DSD files but the BDA-3 I got today do play them.
ps. I heard today that I will be the first person in The Netherlands who is going to get the BDP-3, I can not wait anymore. :D :D
My BDA3 can but the BDP2 cannot
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Isn't this depending on your DAC. I had for 3 weeks a BDA-1, this one doesn't play DSD files but the BDA-3 I got today do play them.
ps. I heard today that I will be the first person in The Netherlands who is going to get the BDP-3, I can not wait anymore. :D :D
oooOOOooohhh... Let me know when it arrives, I'll definitely drop by for that cup of tea!!!
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oooOOOooohhh... Let me know when it arrives, I'll definitely drop by for that cup of tea!!!
Je bent welkom.
Yesterday the BDA-3 already arrived here, Man what a sound!!!!
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Hi guys!
I have some thoughts on the BDP-3 I would like to share with you.
There are some among you who believe BDP-3 will bring new features to the table. I don't think that's the case at all. File-format support as well as audio quality will surely be the same as on the BDP-2 because nothing in the hardware department will change. What will change is the motherboard which will be of a newer design. But it has nothing to do with the actual audio processing. Rather, it takes care of the management side of things so load times will be shorter.
Also, this 64bit architecture is interesting. It is interesting because if you might remember that first 64bit CPUs came out three years before Microsoft released a 64bit OS and even then there was very little software that supported the specification so ultimately, the CPUs were not put to good use. Some of the potential had gone to waste. In fact, it was even worse than that because by the time there was something that would use these CPUs to their full potential, the CPUs were three years obsolete.
In the context of BDP-3, I wouldn't rush out and upgrade my own BDP-1 or -2 based on the promise of more features. Roon Core functionality sounds nice but I'd rather wait and see whether that becomes a reality or not. By the time it does, there might be a BDP-4.
In any case, there are features I'd like to see added a lot more. For example:
1. BDP could easily serve as a recording device. You could connect an external A/D converter to one of it's USB ports and record in high-resolution. Now that Bryston has a turntable and a selection of phono stages is available, this would seem like a useful facility to anyone wishing to preserve their precious and rare LPs.
2. Parametric EQ would be very useful.
3. Digital crossover via USB would be essential to anyone wishing to build an active system with no unneccessary A/D-D/A conversion. For example, BDP-2 is far, far superior in terms of hardware to some standalone digital crossovers that do precisely that, albeit via S/PDIF. There are companies who could help Bryston with this, just like Aurality helped with the BDP-1.
4. And I still don't see any reason why the actual display cannot show elapsed time within a specific track like an ordinary CD player does. Must we always be reminded we're dealing with a computer?
Right, well, I hope this answered some questions and poses some other ones!
Cheers!
Antun
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it takes care of the management side of things so load times will be shorter.
For me this is very important and because I didn't had a BDP before I ordered the last one build.
Overall: there will be always a better, more beuatifull etc.. one but I settle with this one ;-)
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Hi guys!
I have some thoughts on the BDP-3 I would like to share with you.
There are some among you who believe BDP-3 will bring new features to the table. I don't think that's the case at all. File-format support as well as audio quality will surely be the same as on the BDP-2 because nothing in the hardware department will change. What will change is the motherboard which will be of a newer design. But it has nothing to do with the actual audio processing. Rather, it takes care of the management side of things so load times will be shorter.
Also, this 64bit architecture is interesting. It is interesting because if you might remember that first 64bit CPUs came out three years before Microsoft released a 64bit OS and even then there was very little software that supported the specification so ultimately, the CPUs were not put to good use. Some of the potential had gone to waste. In fact, it was even worse than that because by the time there was something that would use these CPUs to their full potential, the CPUs were three years obsolete.
In the context of BDP-3, I wouldn't rush out and upgrade my own BDP-1 or -2 based on the promise of more features. Roon Core functionality sounds nice but I'd rather wait and see whether that becomes a reality or not. By the time it does, there might be a BDP-4.
In any case, there are features I'd like to see added a lot more. For example:
1. BDP could easily serve as a recording device. You could connect an external A/D converter to one of it's USB ports and record in high-resolution. Now that Bryston has a turntable and a selection of phono stages is available, this would seem like a useful facility to anyone wishing to preserve their precious and rare LPs.
2. Parametric EQ would be very useful.
3. Digital crossover via USB would be essential to anyone wishing to build an active system with no unneccessary A/D-D/A conversion. For example, BDP-2 is far, far superior in terms of hardware to some standalone digital crossovers that do precisely that, albeit via S/PDIF. There are companies who could help Bryston with this, just like Aurality helped with the BDP-1.
4. And I still don't see any reason why the actual display cannot show elapsed time within a specific track like an ordinary CD player does. Must we always be reminded we're dealing with a computer?
Right, well, I hope this answered some questions and poses some other ones!
Cheers!
Antun
Hi!
I agree on the fact that a BDP2 user might be not so attract in buying the BDP3 - maybe a BDP1 user yes - but I do expect to improve the sound quality passing from the BDP 2 to he BDP3. As far as I've understand, the measurements performed by Bryston show better results.
In the end, I'd be surprised if the new motherboard would not imply a better sound... We will see
Cheers
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ps. I heard today that I will be the first person in The Netherlands who is going to get the BDP-3, I can not wait anymore. :D :D
I am interested in the new BDP-3, Could send me a private message to comment on where you purchased it, thanks for help me.. :thumb:
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Hi!
I agree on the fact that a BDP2 user might be not so attract in buying the BDP3 - maybe a BDP1 user yes - but I do expect to improve the sound quality passing from the BDP 2 to he BDP3. As far as I've understand, the measurements performed by Bryston show better results.
In the end, I'd be surprised if the new motherboard would not imply a better sound... We will see
Cheers
Hi!
There are 3 boards in the BDP players:
1. power regulation board
2. board that carries AES and BNC digital output as well as aduio processor
3. motherboard that carries the main CPU, chipset, RAM and USB/LAN controllers
The first two are built by Bryston, the third one is not. It is an off-the-shelf part that you can buy in any well-equipped online computer store and it is precisely this board that is different in the BDP-3. It has nothing to do with audio processing, it is a mere computer platform for Linux, so it cannot possibly yield any differences in audio quality.
I doubt Bryston would claim anything that would suggest otherwise.
In fact, this motherboard has a video graphics processor inside and this is potentially damaging to system integrity. Interesting that this now seems to be present and yet, there is no wi-fi controller onboard.
I would be most interested in getting a reply from Bryston about this!
Cheers!
Antun
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The BDP-1 has a modified ESI Juli@ soundcard that is reviewed here (scroll down the page):
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-absolute-sound-card-survey-tas-213/
Bryston had modded Juli@ to provide "much better output stage (both the transformer and driving stage are removed) so it is NOT a stock unit". Bryston also installed "a dedicated balanced low-noise, low-distortion AES EBU and BNC output section to integrate properly (in terms of impedance matching) with the BDA-1 DAC."
Now, the BDP-2 may have one of two boards: The same as the BDP-1's card, or a more recently developed IAD that can also be retrofitted for owners of the orig BDP-2 (but NOT BDP-1).
From what I've read and been told by users, the proprietary IAD imparts some differences in sound from the Juli@ card. See the following links:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bdp-1-digital-audio-player-bdp-2-iad-upgrade#za3MXp1Qv8Zgkv4Y.97
Quoting the TAS article:
.... "to compare the BDP-2’s new Integrated Audio Device against the BDP-1’s customized ESI Juli@ PCI audio interface. Bryston’s BDA-2 DAC proved an ideal platform for this comparison, as its two BNC-coaxial SPDIF inputs facilitated simultaneous connection of both digital players. As I became familiar with the BDP-2, I began to hear residual colorations and distortions from the BDP-1 that previously had escaped notice, absent an even more neutral reference. (This inviolate truism of audio evaluation persists regardless of listening experience!) Compared with the BDP-2, the BDP-1 imposes a sweet sparkle in the high treble, with a glint of excess energy just below, accompanied by marginally over-ripe, rounded weight in the bottom end. It imbues music with a slightly loose “wet” vibe, and an engaging presence that remains enticing in its own way.
"In contrast, the BDP-2’s new Integrated Audio Device exhibits a more strictly linear tonal balance, with more refined upper octaves and a bass range characterized by improved pitch definition, timbral differentiation, and expressive nuance. The BDP-2 opens up the volumetric space of well-recorded acoustic music, without the slight center-weighted emphasis of the BDP-1. During complex, dynamic passages, the BDP-2 does a better job of keeping everything solidly grounded in its proper place. With tighter focus and even less time-domain smearing than its predecessor, the BDP-2 renders every instrument and voice with more distinctive character and a richer tonal palette, since harmonic relationships are preserved with greater fidelity and presented with better-defined note shape, from initial transient through resonant bloom to natural decay".
For me, that's enough to motivate me to get a BDP-2 with IAD installed. BDP-1 stays put in my home, regardless. It has a sound I have grown very accustomed to and enjoy very much.
cheers
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The BDP-1 has a modified ESI Juli@ soundcard that is reviewed here (scroll down the page):
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-absolute-sound-card-survey-tas-213/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-absolute-sound-card-survey-tas-213/)
Bryston had modded Juli@ to provide "much better output stage (both the transformer and driving stage are removed) so it is NOT a stock unit". Bryston also installed "a dedicated balanced low-noise, low-distortion AES EBU and BNC output section to integrate properly (in terms of impedance matching) with the BDA-1 DAC."
Now, the BDP-2 may have one of two boards: The same as the BDP-1's card, or a more recently developed IAD that can also be retrofitted for owners of the orig BDP-2 (but NOT BDP-1).
From what I've read and been told by users, the proprietary IAD imparts some differences in sound from the Juli@ card. See the following links:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/)
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bdp-1-digital-audio-player-bdp-2-iad-upgrade#za3MXp1Qv8Zgkv4Y.97 (http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bdp-1-digital-audio-player-bdp-2-iad-upgrade#za3MXp1Qv8Zgkv4Y.97)
Quoting the TAS article:
.... "to compare the BDP-2’s new Integrated Audio Device against the BDP-1’s customized ESI Juli@ PCI audio interface. Bryston’s BDA-2 DAC proved an ideal platform for this comparison, as its two BNC-coaxial SPDIF inputs facilitated simultaneous connection of both digital players. As I became familiar with the BDP-2, I began to hear residual colorations and distortions from the BDP-1 that previously had escaped notice, absent an even more neutral reference. (This inviolate truism of audio evaluation persists regardless of listening experience!) Compared with the BDP-2, the BDP-1 imposes a sweet sparkle in the high treble, with a glint of excess energy just below, accompanied by marginally over-ripe, rounded weight in the bottom end. It imbues music with a slightly loose “wet” vibe, and an engaging presence that remains enticing in its own way.
"In contrast, the BDP-2’s new Integrated Audio Device exhibits a more strictly linear tonal balance, with more refined upper octaves and a bass range characterized by improved pitch definition, timbral differentiation, and expressive nuance. The BDP-2 opens up the volumetric space of well-recorded acoustic music, without the slight center-weighted emphasis of the BDP-1. During complex, dynamic passages, the BDP-2 does a better job of keeping everything solidly grounded in its proper place. With tighter focus and even less time-domain smearing than its predecessor, the BDP-2 renders every instrument and voice with more distinctive character and a richer tonal palette, since harmonic relationships are preserved with greater fidelity and presented with better-defined note shape, from initial transient through resonant bloom to natural decay".
For me, that's enough to motivate me to get a BDP-2 with IAD installed. BDP-1 stays put in my home, regardless. It has a sound I have grown very accustomed to and enjoy very much.
cheers
You won't be disappointed by the BDP2 for accustomed to sound. I had them side by side, and liked them alike. (as in couldn't hear a real difference...)
I'm with Antun here, and wait for the BDP-4 until it's clear what the BDP-3 offers over the BDP-2. other than some file processing power, Bryston hasn't made clear what the audio improvements are over the BDP2 yet. and 64b NN is still a year of. (dixit Chris).
Cheers,Marius
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Hi Marius/Antun,
Yes, I agree. The BDP-2's extra speed/RAM esp with larger libraries/multiple drives, is worthy of consideration for BDP-1 owners like me. With its IAD, that may be a bonus -- if indeed the SQ is different from BDP-1. I'm a bit skeptical of that, but it would be a bonus. Thru BDA-1.
A bigger screen would be a nice mod for the next BDP. :D
Variations On a Theme By Bryston. A good candidate piece for would-be composers!
cheers
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In fact, this motherboard has a video graphics processor inside and this is potentially damaging to system integrity. Interesting that this now seems to be present and yet, there is no wi-fi controller onboard.
Every BDP that has ever shipped has had graphics capability, the difference is the BDP1&2 have both simply had the VGA connections removed.
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Hi!
I had a BDP-1 with the Juli@ board and now have a BDP-2 with the BUC board. Like Marius, I had them side by side for a few weeks and no matter how much I tried, I could not identify any differences that weren't subtle. This was on the best of days. At that time, I also had a Naim ND5 XS streamer/DAC so I compared all three. I also employed a modified Pioneer DVD player as a disc transport and while it offered a somewhat clearer top end than the Naim, it was not as clear in the bottom end as the Bryston was. But comparing the two Bryston machines proved futile and tiring. I listened for a week with recordings of our own orchestra and while I am intimately familiar with each and every nuance in these, I simply could not hear something that was "repeatable" by any measure. I would think I heard something but going back a few seconds quickly made me realise my concentration had dropped, thus creating the difference. It was actually a solid argument for me just how much salt one needs to take while reading reviews. It's more than a grain.
In the end, the only real reason I upgraded was my network which seemed to do something to the BDP-1 and made it skip. Quite irritating. Especially since BDP-2 cost a fair bit more.
I still do miss the elapsed time display! :)
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi!
I had a BDP-1 with the Juli@ board and now have a BDP-2 with the BUC board. Like Marius, I had them side by side for a few weeks and no matter how much I tried, I could not identify any differences that weren't subtle. This was on the best of days. It was actually a solid argument for me just how much salt one needs to take while reading reviews. It's more than a grain.
In the end, the only real reason I upgraded was my network which seemed to do something to the BDP-1 and made it skip. Quite irritating. Especially since BDP-2 cost a fair bit more.
I still do miss the elapsed time display! :)
Cheers!
Antun
Hi Antun,
Good to know of this. I'm not expecting diff SQ between BDP-1/2, consistent with some past users and reviews.
The extra speed and ability to handle larger libraries may be worth it for me, especially at the much reduced price that I was offered for a mint BDP-2 with IAD installed (PM me if you're curious). And with the proprietary IAD card, future mods/replacements should be possible thru Bryston.
What elapsed time display? BDP does not have one.
Cheers
Pete
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Hi Antun,
Good to know of this. I'm not expecting diff SQ between BDP-1/2, consistent with some past users and reviews.
The extra speed and ability to handle larger libraries may be worth it for me, especially at the much reduced price that I was offered for a mint BDP-2 with IAD installed (PM me if you're curious). And with the proprietary IAD card, future mods/replacements should be possible thru Bryston.
What elapsed time display? BDP does not have one.
Cheers
Pete
Hi Pete!
You know, the sort of display that ordinary cd players have :) You press play and see the seconds and minutes go by instead of looking at an IP address.
Yes, you have approached this from a good angle. IAD is a bonus, not something you should base your entire purchase decision on.
PM sent.
Cheers!
Antun
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Hi Pete!
You know, the sort of display that ordinary cd players have :) You press play and see the seconds and minutes go by instead of looking at an IP address.
Yes, you have approached this from a good angle. IAD is a bonus, not something you should base your entire purchase decision on.
PM sent.
Cheers!
Antun
Great discussion.
Personally speaking, I would love to have USB 3.0 and GigE ports, in the name of making everything happen faster, as well as additional system RAM for buffering of audio data during playback. I had to adjust the MPD buffering to reliably handle 192/24 tracks from my WD MyCloud NAS. And, if I don't setup a swap file on something, Manic Moose will often hang when rebuilding the Bryston DB (I suspect this is while scaling cover art for thumbnails).
I've spent a staggering amount of time futzing with my BDP-1 over the last year; much of my frustration would have been mitigated with a faster machine with more headroom, as well as all the bug-fixing that occurred.
As for the IAD discussion, I've been determined to make Roon sound as good on the BDP as does MPD playback.
I've had some success doing two things:
1. Switching from the AES output (Juli@) to USB output into an outboard USB-to-SPDIF converter (in my case, a Bel Canto REFLink I already had to use with my MacBook);
2. Using wired Ethernet from my Roon Core machine to my BDP, which was a pain to make happen, as well as using a fast/loaded Mac for the Roon Core.
These two changes made a subtle difference, but I feel I am at a similar playback quality as MPD straight out of the BDP-1.
The tweaking never stops... :thumb:
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1. Switching from the AES output (Juli@) to USB output into an outboard USB-to-SPDIF converter (in my case, a Bel Canto REFLink I already had to use with my MacBook);
That's funny. I got my BDP-1 so I could stop fussing over USB. On my system AES is definitely better but the main benefit for me was getting rid of all the extra boxes (converters, cleaners, power supplies). My power strip thanks me.
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Great discussion.
Personally speaking, I would love to have USB 3.0 and GigE ports, in the name of making everything happen faster, as well as additional system RAM for buffering of audio data during playback.
Indeed. Check on the need for better specs for all of the above. Check on the need for a better interface. But, for now, i'll stick with the BDP1. It just sounds great, and delivers, when keeping in mind some of its restrictions. (mainly don't play while doing file operations)
Since Bryston stays a bit unclear on the improvements in musical replay the BDP3 will offer, i must conclude it will only be on the specs-side of things this new BDP3 shines. Of course usb 3 and gig ports, more ram, is great. But it won't make the BDP play music any better. NN is named, 64bit operating system, but what it would deliver, and when?
As a matter of fact, i don't think any machine will sound better than the BDP1. Bryston made it as optimal as possible, stripping all unnecessary things out of the Motherboard and eliminating all noise creating processes out of the standard computer, even stripping the operating system. No need for higher resolutions than the BDP1 can play, since that also is claimed to be deteriorating the level of noise in the files, 24/96 being the optimal format.
My fear in the current evolution, and sudden jump to the new motherboard (labeling it the BDP3) is that Bryston is leaving its design philosophy of the above, and returning to the jack of all trades computer (read the VGA adapter bit, read the Roon server bit, etc). How come all of a sudden this philosophy is not valid anymore? Is it the market demand?
Bryston has always resisted that, in favor of optimal designs, sometimes even contrary to customer wishes, check the cd-tray of the BCD1 ;) And we all bought Bryston because of it.
I think ill opt for the wait and see, where as i would have bought in blind faith before. Ah well, maybe that comes with age ;-((
Cheers,
Marius
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Hi Marius,
I think it will be very hard to significantly improve on SQ with a dedicated digital player now -- the technology maxed out years ago, imo. Perhaps Bryston is trying to add "extras" to give more possible "value" as a multi-function player. Market forces might likely be the trigger, as you suggest.
What CD tray in BDA1? :scratch: Was that a typo?
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Hi Marius,
I think it will be very hard to significantly improve on SQ with a dedicated digital player now -- the technology maxed out years ago, imo. Perhaps Bryston is trying to add "extras" to give more possible "value" as a multi-function player. Market forces might likely be the trigger, as you suggest.
What CD tray in BDA1? :scratch: Was that a typo?
Stand corrected, a typo indeed...
I would understand the desirability of a multi-function player. Nonetheless, the chosen and much defended architecture of separate machines for number crunching and playing respectively is still respected in the broader community, even the Roon (https://kb.roonlabs.com/Architecture) team states as much, and builds their software on this foundation. And this (https://kb.roonlabs.com/Why_Core%3F) is why. Upping the BDP to be able to do both, is contrary to that architecture.
If Bryston would do that now, to answer the market forces, or otherwise, wouldn't that erode the previously built trust in that architecture, and thus the brand itself? Coming from Bryston, one would have to take that very seriously. But can't have it both ways. :scratch:
Cheers,
Marius
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^ Yes. But if Bryston could show (and users confirm) that their multi-functional player did not negatively impact SQ, that would be a different ballgame, for them. The separate architecture philosophy would still be intact, at least for their amps, phonstages, and DACs.
Let's wait and see how the BDP-3 pans out, and not throw the baby out with the bath water.
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^ Yes. But if Bryston could show (and users confirm) that their multi-functional player did not negatively impact SQ, that would be a different ballgame, for them. The separate architecture philosophy would still be intact, at least for their amps, phonstages, and DACs.
Let's wait and see how the BDP-3 pans out, and not throw the baby out with the bath water.
is what i will do for sure, as stated above. Bryston might help by elaborating a bit on their new design. Reintroducing the server into the Auditorium might take some explaining though...;-)
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It's just a fact of life that computer technology has limited life spans. Motherboards come and go and new ones are manufactured. It's not limited to that. There was recently a thread on the BCD-1, where Bryston doesn't have any more drives for it and the manufacturer stopped making those a few years ago. In my case, I'm using Windows music servers and am looking for a step up. So whatever I end up with (and I'm looking at a few things and in no particular rush - dealing with lightning damage on stuff at the moment), I'd expect it to be better than what I have.
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It's just a fact of life that computer technology has limited life spans. - dealing with lightning damage on stuff at the moment), I'd expect it to be better than what I have.
Ouch. A surge protector bar should protect against these, no?
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My fear in the current evolution, and sudden jump to the new motherboard (labeling it the BDP3) is that Bryston is leaving its design philosophy of the above, and returning to the jack of all trades computer (read the VGA adapter bit, read the Roon server bit, etc). How come all of a sudden this philosophy is not valid anymore? Is it the market demand?
The design physolosophy is still there, these additional features remain dormant until you turn them on, much like turning on the upnp renderer. The BDP-3 like any other BDP will come preconfigured in what we consider to be optimal, but like any other BDP it can have additional features turned on or reconfigured to use different playback services. The firmware becomes larger, but inwouodn't necessarily consider it any more bloated.
Cheers
Chris
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The design physolosophy is still there,
Cheers
Chris
:lol: That's philosophy, Chris.
cheers
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Ouch. A surge protector bar should protect against these, no?
No - if you get hit they won't stop it. Had whole house surge protection (it blew that out), local surge protection on most of the devices and also one of these http://www.bluecircle.com/page95.html on a couple of circuits and still stuff was damaged. One outlet the Yalu Bulala was plugged into was my low voltage box receptacle which feeds some of the circuits where stuff was plugged into. The Yalu Bulala did its job and is toast and the inside of the receptacle was melted so you can't plug anything into it. Replaced that. Dealing with so many issues (pool pump repair, electrical, audio, video, network). The insurance company is a pain too. Was in front of the computer monitor (which got toasted) when it happened on Thursday and I could feel the electrical field. My neighbor told me she screamed when it hit as it was that loud.
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^ Geez, that's the first I've heard of multiple toasts. I live in a high-rise condo, so different situation there.
Keep grounded.
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No - if you get hit they won't stop it. Had whole house surge protection (it blew that out), local surge protection on most of the devices and also one of these http://www.bluecircle.com/page95.html on a couple of circuits and still stuff was damaged. One outlet the Yalu Bulala was plugged into was my low voltage box receptacle which feeds some of the circuits where stuff was plugged into. The Yalu Bulala did its job and is toast and the inside of the receptacle was melted so you can't plug anything into it. Replaced that. Dealing with so many issues (pool pump repair, electrical, audio, video, network). The insurance company is a pain too. Was in front of the computer monitor (which got toasted) when it happened on Thursday and I could feel the electrical field. My neighbor told me she screamed when it hit as it was that loud.
I am sorry to hear that Phil. I hope you get all fixed
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The design physolosophy is still there, these additional features remain dormant until you turn them on, much like turning on the upnp renderer. The BDP-3 like any other BDP will come preconfigured in what we consider to be optimal, but like any other BDP it can have additional features turned on or reconfigured to use different playback services. The firmware becomes larger, but inwouodn't necessarily consider it any more bloated.
Cheers
Chris
Cool Chris, thanks for that. I understand, and its good to know.
We hear so much about the many new options, functionality or possibilities, i was fearing the worst ;) Still you remain very low profile (...) as to the specifications of all those new possibilities, while calling it the BDP-3. Which up to now seems only to be the new board, and no new design features? Bit of a lucky move, can't imagine Bryston acting that impulsive?
It does make me wonder whether programming and implementing all these new features and possibilities into NN won't keep the developing team from optimizing the much needed core stability and performance requirements. You've been under a lot of pressure already!
Keep treading those mills Chris!
Cheers,
Marius
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I am sorry to hear that Phil. I hope you get all fixed
Thanks - spent a busy day yesterday having the AC units checked and serviced and running around. Got some replacement TVs (not going to wait for the insurance they make take a long time) and a computer monitor (got a new router the day before). Since the insurance company is a pain (I know some of what is wrong like the sound card on the PC is gone), I have people coming over the next several days to check audio, video, computer, pool pump and electrical stuff. Will get more of the stuff up and running (with the replacement stuff I got) to make it easier when people look at it to narrow down problems (I'm sure a couple of receivers are toast and a monoblock amp so far).
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Thanks - spent a busy day yesterday having the AC units checked and serviced and running around. Got some replacement TVs (not going to wait for the insurance they make take a long time) and a computer monitor (got a new router the day before). Since the insurance company is a pain (I know some of what is wrong like the sound card on the PC is gone), I have people coming over the next several days to check audio, video, computer, pool pump and electrical stuff. Will get more of the stuff up and running (with the replacement stuff I got) to make it easier when people look at it to narrow down problems (I'm sure a couple of receivers are toast and a monoblock amp so far).
Sorry to hear this Phil i hope all works out in the end.
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The "technological advancement" is a valid argument.
However, it inevitably boils down to "obsolescence" for the end user.
BDP is a hi-fi component, not a computer. Amplifiers, preamplifiers and even CD players progress very gradually and only a manufacturer who is unfamiliar with the intricacies of genuine R&D will claim otherwise and insist on the word "revolutionary" rather than "evolutionary". It is my view that BDP should be excused from this obsolescence, to a degree. If a goal is to make it a platform rather than a product, then it is how platforms are established.
To put it differently, if you put all advantages of the BDP aside for a moment and think of it like a computer, then you can have a different computer for a fraction of the cost.
If you cannot put those advantages aside, then clearly, we are not talking about a computer and so, this new feature set is not what it should be all about.
BDP-1 had an AMD chipset which could support 768MB of system RAM and yet, it was kept at 256MB. Whether that's enough or not, I don't Know. What I can say is that unplugging the flash drive from either BDP-1 or -2 while they're playing will play the exact same track till the end and then stop. BDP-2 did not buffer more than a BDP-1.
On the other hand, BDP-2 has a provision on the left side of it's rear panel that can make use of it's internal USB 3.0 ports, even if it's main bus has limited bandwidth to allow for full use of the USB 3.0 protocol, but having 8 USB ports instead of 6 would have still been welcome.
So there are still ways to improve upon what is already an existing platform.
Cheers!
Antun
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Sorry to hear this Phil i hope all works out in the end.
Thanks!
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Phil
I too am sorry to hear about the lightening strike. In reading all of your posts over the last yr you are very meticulous and careful about your gear. Good luck in getting it sorted. Glad your A/C is back up.
After your done if there are any tips we should know about protection pls post them. I would hate to go thru this.
BTW my truck got hit by the baseball size hail in Greenville SC Last week and the insurance company is a pain to deal with as well
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Phil
BTW my truck got hit by the baseball size hail in Greenville SC Last week and the insurance company is a pain to deal with as well
Sorry to hear that - yes they all are a pain, except when taking your premiums. Hopefully by early next week, I'll have all the bad news sorted out.
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BDP-2 did not buffer more than a BDP-1.
It might seem like that, but its not the case, mpd removes songs from the playlist when they are removed.from its database and the firmware issues an update command when a flash drive is removed. If you disable this you'll find the bdp-2 will potentially go on for hours.
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I have some SACD iso's, does the BDP-3 play this? The BDP-1 doesn't.
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I have some SACD iso's, does the BDP-3 play this? The BDP-1 doesn't.
Don't know if it will play ISO files but it will do per the specs (page 8) up to double DSD at present - http://bryston.com/PDF/brochures/DIGITAL_AUDIO_BROCHURE_V2.pdf
One can convert the ISO to DSF files via a couple of programs (if necessary) - e.g. - http://www.sonore.us/iso2dsd.html
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thanks.
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Hi Hoiman,
did you order the BDP3?
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did you order the BDP3?
Yes.
I wonder when I can expect it, James? In 4 or 6 weeks?
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great! then let us know if you're able to play ISO files
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Yes.
I wonder when I can expect it, James? In 4 or 6 weeks?
Hi Holman
We are waiting for safety certification so I would guess about 6 weeks.
james
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Ok thanks.
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Ok thanks.
Let me know when it arrives! I am beyond curious!
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Let me know when it arrives! I am beyond curious!
:thumb: :thumb:
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Hi Holman
We are waiting for safety certification so I would guess about 6 weeks.
james
Hi James I just heard it can take up still 10 weeks before the new BDP-3 is comming. Can you tell me more about this safety certification, how this works? And does Bryston have to ask a new certification because this is an entirely new product so it can not use the one Bryston used for the BDP-2?
I'm just curious 8)
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Hi James I just heard it can take up still 10 weeks before the new BDP-3 is comming. Can you tell me more about this safety certification, how this works? And does Bryston have to ask a new certification because this is an entirely new product so it can not use the one Bryston used for the BDP-2?
I'm just curious 8)
Hi
Yes if you change anything at all in a design you have to get new certificates - even if you just change the name :duh:
james
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even if you just change the name
wow :scratch:
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Let's hope to have some reviews soon :thumb:
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Let's hope to have some reviews soon :thumb:
Hi Grant
It will be a while as we have over 70 on back-order and customers come before reviews.
james
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Hi James,
that's good! We'll simply have to wait...
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Hi
Yes if you change anything at all in a design you have to get new certificates - even if you just change the name :duh:
james
I guess my prediction on March 2 was accurate... 4-6 months out atleast
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I guess my prediction on March 2 was accurate... 4-6 months out atleast
I hope not.
James what is your expectation?
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I hope not.
James what is your expectation?
Hi
I would say another 2 weeks and we will be shipping the first units but it will take a while to catch up with all the backorders.
All our products are built and tested by hand so it takes more time per unit than the typical assembly line manufacturing model.
james
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I would say another 2 weeks and we will be shipping the first units
Is this only in North America, Canada or also Europe, for example The Netherlands? :wink:
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Hi Grant
It will be a while as we have over 70 on back-order and customers come before reviews.
james
Congrats on the back orders. Have you tested any "lean" manufacturing systems to catch up with order flow?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing
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Congrats on the back orders. Have you tested any "lean" manufacturing systems to catch up with order flow?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing
Hi witchdoctor
No I have not seen this - seems like I should investigate.
james
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Is this only in North America, Canada or also Europe, for example The Netherlands? :wink:
Hi
We usually do the orders based on when the order was placed so a lot depends on what the distributor ordered and when.
james
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Hi witchdoctor
No I have not seen this - seems like I should investigate.
james
I think every business can benefit from using Lean, if you do a search you will likely find consultants in your area that can come onsite and discuss. Have fun!
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Congrats on the back orders. Have you tested any "lean" manufacturing systems to catch up with order flow?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing
When I worked many years ago, even though I was not in manufacturing I was sent to a week long class mentioned in your link based on Deming's quality improvement process - "his became an important part of W. Edwards Deming's quality movement of the 1980s, later helping to develop improved understanding of key areas of focus such as cycle time variation in improving manufacturing quality and efficiencies in aerospace and other industries."
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Hi
I would say another 2 weeks and we will be shipping the first units but it will take a while to catch up with all the backorders.
All our products are built and tested by hand so it takes more time per unit than the typical assembly line manufacturing model.
james
I'm curious, are you already shipping?
James is there already a date known when the new manual for this BDP-3 is comming/showing on the Bryston home page? I saw that this BDP-3 has a VGA port, I was wondering what you can do with this?
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I'm curious, are you already shipping?
James is there already a date known when the new manual for this BDP-3 is comming/showing on the Bryston home page? I saw that this BDP-3 has a VGA port, I was wondering what you can do with this?
Hi
Yes we have built 10 units and are making sure all is Ok before we build more for our customers.
The VGA is just part of the new CPU circuit board and is included - Chris may use it in the future as he is always experimenting with more features.
james
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Hi James,
I read on the BDP2 3D that you were thinking about adding DSD native as an alternative on DOP. Will this be implemented on BDP3 as well?
Have a nice day
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Hi James,
I read on the BDP2 3D that you were thinking about adding DSD native as an alternative on DOP. Will this be implemented on BDP3 as well?
Have a nice day
Hi Grant
The BDP-3 gives us a lot more computing power so I know Chris is working on a new software package that will allow for Native DSD.
That said DOP is a true DSD file it just uses PCM as the carrier for the file. Either way you get the same performance.
james
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I was more than happy with the Bdp1- Bda1 combo, played beautiful music to my ears.
Today everybody seems more focused to get the highest decoding possible, DSD512 ,384Ghz, MQA etc, the more bells and whistles the better.
Isn't the mastering more important than the format, and if the mastering is good maybe 24/96 is high enough?
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Thank you James!
Yes I know that native DSD and DOP are the same, but I'm glad to hear that there will be a new software packing for BDP3 with further upgrades
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I was more than happy with the Bdp1- Bda1 combo, played beautiful music to my ears.
Today everybody seems more focused to get the highest decoding possible, DSD512 ,384Ghz, MQA etc, the more bells and whistles the better.
Isn't the mastering more important than the format, and if the mastering is good maybe 24/96 is high enough?
Hello, I agree with you.
as the mastering is the most important thing, it is good to be able to play well pcm and dsd formats because great masters sometimes can be found only in the pcm version or in the dsd one...
I don't care about dsd512, dxd because there aren't interesting titles in those formats... anyway it's nice to know that your dac/digital player is able to play them as good as ordinary 14/44 pcm files
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btw, did you knwo that were just released new ECM remastering in DSD format (both SACD and DSF downloadable fiels) of some classic works by K. Jarret, C. Corean and Pat Metheny?
it seems that it is a new remaster made form original analogue masters using a DSD Platform... sacd layer and Dsf file contain the new master, while cd layer and 24/96 flac file are from the old master (so same stuff you can find in hdtracks 2013 issues). you got the new mastering only with sacd/dsd.
that's why is important to have Dac and digital player which are able to perform well both pcm and dsd 8)
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Thank you James!
Yes I know that native DSD and DOP are the same, but I'm glad to hear that there will be a new software packing for BDP3 with further upgrades
To clarify native DSD isn't coming until the release of the next major firmware release nutty narwhal, which will bring native DSD to both the BDP-2 & 3. When the BDP-3 ships in the coming weeks it'll be shipping with the same DoP support as the BDP-2.
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Thanks Chris, this makes sense. Any news about Roon core?
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Someone asked why usb3 was included. It seems obvious to me that it would have been difficult to use a modern motherboard with modern chipsets and processors and not have usb3.
I'm more interested in what Bryston came up with to replace the ESI board.
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Hi,
I was more than happy with the Bdp1- Bda1 combo, played beautiful music to my ears.
Today everybody seems more focused to get the highest decoding possible, DSD512 ,384Ghz, MQA etc, the more bells and whistles the better.
Isn't the mastering more important than the format, and if the mastering is good maybe 24/96 is high enough?/quote]
I totally agree with this statement as the hardest thing to find is a good quality recording. My system comes alive when I play music mastered and recorded by companies such as Chesky records.
Cheers Rod
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Hi,
I was more than happy with the Bdp1- Bda1 combo, played beautiful music to my ears.
Today everybody seems more focused to get the highest decoding possible, DSD512 ,384Ghz, MQA etc, the more bells and whistles the better.
Isn't the mastering more important than the format, and if the mastering is good maybe 24/96 is high enough?/quote]
I totally agree with this statement as the hardest thing to find is a good quality recording. My system comes alive when I play music mastered and recorded by companies such as Chesky records.
Cheers Rod
Have you tried www.concertvault.com? It isn't even redbook but the recordings are fantastic and not available anywhere else. Most of these performances were recorded right through the mixing board at the live performance and WOW!
http://www.concertvault.com/duke-ellington-and-his-orchestra/newport-jazz-festival-july-05-1968.html
http://www.concertvault.com/al-di-meola-john-mclaughlin-paco-de-lucia/video/bill-graham-introduction_1008080.html
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Have you tried www.concertvault.com? It isn't even redbook but the recordings are fantastic and not available anywhere else. Most of these performances were recorded right through the mixing board at the live performance and WOW!
http://www.concertvault.com/duke-ellington-and-his-orchestra/newport-jazz-festival-july-05-1968.html
http://www.concertvault.com/al-di-meola-john-mclaughlin-paco-de-lucia/video/bill-graham-introduction_1008080.html
Just listened to Jimi Hendrix-Red House Live https://www.wolfgangs.com/jimi-hendrix-experience/music/audio/1180-9960.html?tid=23880 (https://www.wolfgangs.com/jimi-hendrix-experience/music/audio/1180-9960.html?tid=23880)
and compared to same song from Freedom (Live) Album in Spotify.
The Spotify version sounded much better, so saved my money this time.
I know its not the same recording, but Im not paying unless it sounds better.
Listened to some other songs, and the one you linked to(Al Di M.........), and they seemed a little loud and noisy, turn up the volume and the sound collapses.
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I'm wondering how the test are/went of the first 10 players?
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Hi
OK so far - have 2 units at home - one in my office - and one going to the Munich audio show.
james
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I just ordered one :thumb:
Any news on when they start shipping and you catch up on the backorders?
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I just ordered one :thumb:
Any news on when they start shipping and you catch up on the backorders?
Hi Xinon
Great :thumb:
We shipped 39 this week and hope to get another 25 out over the next few weeks. What dealer did you order from?
james
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We shipped 39 this week
Also to The Netherlands (to Mafico) ?
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Hi Xinon
Great :thumb:
We shipped 39 this week and hope to get another 25 out over the next few weeks. What dealer did you order from?
james
Wow they are flying off the shelves :thumb:
Ordered from Lyric Hifi Norway.
I miss Tor, but seems like the new owners also are very service minded.
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I just ordered BDP-3 to replace my BDP-2 in my 2 channel setup. The BDP-2 will replace my BDP-1 in my home theater. The BDP-1 sounds great just very slow in loading my library, 25,000 songs.
I really wanted the cube amps but I think this makes more sense!
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I just ordered BDP-3 to replace my BDP-2 in my 2 channel setup. The BDP-2 will replace my BDP-1 in my home theater. The BDP-1 sounds great just very slow in loading my library, 25,000 songs.
I really wanted the cube amps but I think this makes more sense!
OK - great - please let me know what you think.
james
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Will do James. You surprised me with the BDP-2 sound card along with the BDA-3! Excellent upgrades!
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YES, I just heard the new BDP-3 is coming this week to my house.
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YES, I just heard the new BDP-3 is coming this week to my house.
It's about time!
(inviting myself for a cup of tea... 8) )
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It's about time!
(inviting myself for a cup of tea... 8) )
You're welcom.
James the typos are still in the manual.
There is a little typo on page 13 of the manual:
power your BDP-1
Must be 3 ofcourse
On page 12 the front of the BDP-3 the number 8 must be 9.
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HI James,
Before hiding some cash from the household to obtain a new BDP-3, I would love to ask whether you are even considering a Bdp3 - Usb, like the -1 before?
Since you've emphasized the usb route to be the future, I was wondering if a bdp3 with audiocard was really necessary to get the best experience in digital audio, and the usb connection only to be sufficient, provided one has a DAC that can compute the signal.
Thanks , Marius
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HI James,
Before hiding some cash from the household to obtain a new BDP-3, I would love to ask whether you are even considering a Bdp3 - Usb, like the -1 before?
Since you've emphasized the usb route to be the future, I was wondering if a bdp3 with audiocard was really necessary to get the best experience in digital audio, and the usb connection only to be sufficient, provided one has a DAC that can compute the signal.
Thanks , Marius
Hi Marius
So far I think having a number of options available to transfer the digital signal to the DAC is still the best approach as we always have differences of opinion on which one sounds best.
james
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HI James,
Before hiding some cash from the household to obtain a new BDP-3, I would love to ask whether you are even considering a Bdp3 - Usb, like the -1 before?
Since you've emphasized the usb route to be the future, I was wondering if a bdp3 with audiocard was really necessary to get the best experience in digital audio, and the usb connection only to be sufficient, provided one has a DAC that can compute the signal.
Thanks , Marius
For what its worth, the new sound card makes the digital outputs sound better than the USB output.
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For what its worth, the new sound card makes the digital outputs sound better than the USB output.
Worth a lot to me ! Thx. Though as James mentions from experience: opinions might vary....
Cheers
Marius
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For what its worth, the new sound card makes the digital outputs sound better than the USB output.
Please explain this?
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Please explain this?
I can't; you need to ask my ears. :lol:
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Hi Xinon
Great :thumb:
We shipped 39 this week and hope to get another 25 out over the next few weeks. What dealer did you order from?
james
Any update? :D
T.AA Import or Lyric Hifi
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While I wait, maybe be a good idea to order a SSD drive to put inside, any suggestion?
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I can't; you need to ask my ears.
Ok, but you have already a BDP-3 at home?
I 'm going to get mine tomorrow, but I think I will not hear any difference between USB and the rest.
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Ok, but you have already a BDP-3 at home?
I 'm going to get mine tomorrow, but I think I will not hear any difference between USB and the rest.
Dont know if that was for me, no I dont have Bdp3, using Lumin D1.
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No this was for gbaby.
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Hi James,
I just got mine BDP-3. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I also have the BDA-3 and I wonder which usb port I can use the best to use in the new BDP-3 to connect with the BDA-3?
Already thanks.
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Ok, but you have already a BDP-3 at home?
I 'm going to get mine tomorrow, but I think I will not hear any difference between USB and the rest.
I have the BDP-2. And, you will hear a difference between USB and the digital outputs. When I compared the two, the USB sounded dry, but the digital output sounded more liquid and organic. :thumb: But, then again, Bryston put the USB port on the BDP3 on a dedicated circuit so maybe things have improved for the USB port. Let us know what you think.
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I can not let you know, because most of my "good" music is dff, so I have to use USB. The flac files I have I don't hear any difference. It sounds all good.
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I can not let you know, because most of my "good" music is dff, so I have to use USB. The flac files I have I don't hear any difference. It sounds all good.
The BDA-3 it really shouldn't be a problem due to how our USB interface is implemented in the BDA2 and 3, however if you want to give it a try the two USB 3.0 ports on the rear (near the top of the unit) are on there own bus.
Cheers,
Chris
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The BDA-3 it really shouldn't be a problem due to how our USB interface is implemented in the BDA2 and 3, however if you want to give it a try the two USB 3.0 ports on the rear (near the top of the unit) are on there own bus.
I already choose for this option (the own bus option), because I also thought this will be the best connection. But I don't think I hear any sound difference. I think all sounds excellent.
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I can not let you know, because most of my "good" music is dff, so I have to use USB. The flac files I have I don't hear any difference. It sounds all good.
What processor are you using? The sonic differences are subtle, but they exist. Initially, I could not hear of difference, but after repeated testing, I can hear clearly now. :)
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What processor are you using?
I don't understand your question, what do you mean with processor? I use the BDP-3 and I on't know what processor is in it.
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First impression after 24 hours:
- Much better sound then the BDP-1 => more depth and width and a more subtle low noise.
- Much quicker with updating the HDD then with the BDP-1
- I have a bad network and when the network is gone, I have to restart mine router eachtime. With the BDP-1 I also had to reset the player but with the BDP-3 NOT :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
- The BDP-3 get hot, really hot almost as hot as mine SP2, this is not positive because I have a little daughter here and now I have to watch to see she don't touch the device. Gladly see is 8 years old so she already listen a little :wink:
Keep you posted.
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Thanks Hoiman for your feedback! I think you're one of the first BDP3 users in Europe, for sure the first one on Audiocircle :D
do you control the BDP3 with Ipad or Android? using manic moose or a different app?
many thanks for sharing your experience
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do you control the BDP3 with Ipad or Android? using manic moose or a different app?
I controlled the BDP-3 with my windows10 laptop via the browser (google Chrome).
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thanks. So you have a PC permanently connected to BDP3...
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So you have a PC permanently connected to BDP3...
No no permanently. I choose a playlist and then I shut down the laptop and just listen.
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Cool to be able to control the Bdp with laptop :thumb:
Lumin D1 and Auralic Aeris you can only use laptop if you integrate Roon.
Cant wait till I get mine, but I think Im way back in the line still....
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I don't understand your question, what do you mean with processor? I use the BDP-3 and I on't know what processor is in it.
Are you using an SP3, Classe AV800, Marantz, etc.?You know what I mean.I am sure you were briefly having a senior moment. :duh: :lol:
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Ok now I'm understand. I use the Bryston BDA-3 (via USB) and this goes (analog) to the Bryston SP2.
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Ok now I'm understand. I use the Bryston BDA-3 (via USB) and this goes (analog) to the Bryston SP2.
Well then you shoul have a pretty good analog section in the SP2. Just keep playing the BDP3 until in breaks in and at some point the outputs on the BDP3 will distinguish themselves.
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Cool to be able to control the Bdp with laptop :thumb:
Lumin D1 and Auralic Aeris you can only use laptop if you integrate Roon.
Cant wait till I get mine, but I think Im way back in the line still....
Hi Xinon,
will you still have in your system Lumin D1 and Auralic Aries when you'll get the BDP3?
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Hi Xinon,
will you still have in your system Lumin D1 and Auralic Aries when you'll get the BDP3?
Sold the Auralic Aeris for finances, but still have the Lumin D1, gonna be a fun comparison.
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Sold the Auralic Aeris for finances, but still have the Lumin D1, gonna be a fun comparison.
Yup! Please let us know!
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Sold the Auralic Aeris for finances, but still have the Lumin D1, gonna be a fun comparison.
Do you use an upgraded power supply with the Lumin?
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Do you use an upgraded power supply with the Lumin?
Not yet, but have ordered one.
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Yup! Please let us know!
Will do.
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Ok now I'm understand. I use the Bryston BDA-3 (via USB) and this goes (analog) to the Bryston SP2.
I just connected my BDP2 to my SP3 by USB, and I got the same results. The BDP2 using the AES (XLR) balanced digital output to the SP3 sounds better than the USB connection. The balanced digital output has a punchier sound and the frequency extremes sound better. The differences could be identified immediately.
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I just connected my BDP2 to my SP3 by USB, and I got the same results. The BDP2 using the AES (XLR) balanced digital output to the SP3 sounds better than the USB connection. The balanced digital output has a punchier sound and the frequency extremes sound better. The differences could be identified immediately.
I hate USB anything.
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I hate USB anything.
With dff files you have to in my situation. (BDP-3 (USB) => BDA-3 (RCA)=> SP2 (XLR) => 4B SST)
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I hate USB anything.
I can see why. I forgot to mention the USB sound was somewhat dryer sounding. :duh:
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A lot has to do with how the USB is implemented.
I actually prefer USB in my setup with the BDP-3 and BDA-3
james
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A lot has to do with how the USB is implemented.
I actually prefer USB in my setup with the BDP-3 and BDA-3
james
You must listen to a lot of DSD, true?
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You must listen to a lot of DSD, true?
HI
Not a lot but it just makes it easier when I setup my playlists I do not have to worry what file version it is. Especially at shows it is really helpful.
james
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James, if I am remember correctly, you used to prefer the AES over USB on the BDP-2 and BDA-2 combo?
Also, I'm guessing you're using standard USB and AES cables, rather than something exotic? Thanks.
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James, if I am remember correctly, you used to prefer the AES over USB on the BDP-2 and BDA-2 combo?
Also, I'm guessing you're using standard USB and AES cables, rather than something exotic? Thanks.
Yes that's true I much preferred the AES on the BDP-2 with the BDA2.
Nothing exotic cable wise in my systems at home or at shows.
james
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Yes that's true I much preferred the AES on the BDP-2 with the BDA2.
Interesting. Do you think it was the BDA-3 or the BDP-3, or both simultaneously that were responsible for making USB better? For example, have you tried BDA-3 with BDP-2 or BDP-3 with BDA-2, and if so which output did you prefer? Thanks.
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Interesting. Do you think it was the BDA-3 or the BDP-3, or both simultaneously that were responsible for making USB better? For example, have you tried BDA-3 with BDP-2 or BDP-3 with BDA-2, and if so which output did you prefer? Thanks.
I did not read into his comment USB was better, but rather more convenient for different files.
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Yes until I heard the USB in the BDA-3 with the BDP-3 I preferred the AES
Its not a huge difference obviously but I find the USB gives me a little more air around the instruments and a slightly better you are there on the vocals.
Thats me of course and you setup my vary.
james
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HI
Not a lot but it just makes it easier when I setup my playlists I do not have to worry what file version it is. Especially at shows it is really helpful.
james
Slightly off topic
What solution, if there is one are people using for the different audio levels between DSD, flac, wave etc. in a playlist?
I don't mind reaching over and adjusting levels hardware or software however but others in the household have different opinions.
Maybe this should be a different topic?
Thanks
David
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Slightly off topic
What solution, if there is one are people using for the different audio levels between DSD, flac, wave etc. in a playlist?
I don't mind reaching over and adjusting levels hardware or software however but others in the household have different opinions.
Maybe this should be a different topic?
Thanks
David
David, if I had to take a guess, the different recording volume levels you speak on are recording dependent. I have this same issue, but its the same reason why recording quality differs. There is technology that can even this out but not without a sonic compromise.
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Hi,
That is what I thought.
I have a library of cds ripped using Db-poweramp.
The rest of my library are purchased flac /wav and DSD files. My wife and I also also have mp4a collections that we have copied to the bdp-2.
I suppose I could increase volume on rips to match DSD's but that would be a pain.
And yes, I have a small vinyl collection from The,70's but that is not an issue as we play off a turntable.
David
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Do Bryston install internal SSD disk in BDB3, or is this something the customer does?
If I make myself can you recommend SSD disk or is all disk the same?
Is there still much catching up to do in delivering BDP3?
Thankyou :thumb:
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Nice question.
I wonder if I can put this one in it: Samsung 850 EVO SSD 4TB 2.5" SATA3.
It got 4TB. :thumb: :thumb:
I also have the question why does it take so long to copy from one usb HDD to another usb HDD both connected to the BDP-3 (so the copy work is the responsability of the BDP-3)?
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Do Bryston install internal SSD disk in BDB3, or is this something the customer does?
If I make myself can you recommend SSD disk or is all disk the same?
Is there still much catching up to do in delivering BDP3?
Thankyou :thumb:
I believe the customer does. The factory will do it on request. I put 500mb in my my BDP-2 along with external drives. With the BDP-3 I ordered 1TB and will still use external drives.
James has the factory caught up?
Cheers
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Hi Folks,
We do not want to install drives at the factory as I am worried that if there is a drive failure and loss of data we get blamed. :duh:
james
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Hi Folks,
We do not want to install drives at the factory as I am worried that if there is a drive failure and loss of data we get blamed. :duh:
james
James - understand completely. It is somewhat similar to the situation when one buys an NAS (Synology, QNAP). There are various drives that will work with it but one buys the NAS and the hard drives of their choice. It is also possible to get defective drives (anything made can have a problem). It is not a rabbit hole I'd want to jump into. One of the reasons I've never gotten around to building a PC is a similar issue, time and defective parts. When my current PC was being built, they had a defective power supply during testing and had to get a new one. I didn't want to get into the situation of buying all the parts (from different places) and then getting around to putting it together and finding a problem (and sometimes it's hard past a certain point to return items).
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Hi James,
would you recomend installing an internal drive rather than using external USB drives? or it is exactly the same? I am talking about 3/4TB hard disks...
Thank you.
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Hi Folks,
We do not want to install drives at the factory as I am worried that if there is a drive failure and loss of data we get blamed. :duh:
james
Understandable.
Checked the video, and it should be very easy to install.
Do you recomend pre format disk, or format after installation?
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James do you have also an answer for this question:
I also have the question why does it take so long to copy from one usb HDD to another usb HDD both connected to the BDP-3 (so the copy work is the responsability of the BDP-3)?
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James do you have also an answer for this question:
Chris is better to answer that but I believe it is a function of the speed of your network.
james
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Hi James,
would you recomend installing an internal drive rather than using external USB drives? or it is exactly the same? I am talking about 3/4TB hard disks...
Thank you.
Either way works well.
I have a small internal drive - 1TB and use it most of the time with my favourite music and then I have an external attached USB drive 4TB where I keep my library.
james
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Ok thanks I will wait for Chris to answer this.
If the transfer goes like this:
File(s) on USB HDD-1 on BDP-3 ===> copy over network ===> USB HDD-2 on BDP-3.
How do you fill/ put music files on a intern SSD, that will take for ever if you have a very slow network like mine.
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thanks James for answering.
@Hoiman - is it possible to copy all you library on the internal SSD before installing into BDP3?
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@Hoiman - is it possible to copy all you library on the internal SSD before installing into BDP3?
I don't know. Idon't know if the BDP-3 does something with the SSD after it is installed. Maybe James/Chris knows the answer.
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If you're copying from one USB drive to another and using a PC to initiate this, then the files are read into the PC and then written to the other drive. This requires 2 network transfers. If you want to do this quickly it would be better to unplug the drives, connect them to the PC, do the copy then put the drives back.
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If you're copying from one USB drive to another and using a PC to initiate this, then the files are read into the PC and then written to the other drive. This requires 2 network transfers. If you want to do this quickly it would be better to unplug the drives, connect them to the PC, do the copy then put the drives back.
Yes I know, but I don't understand why we can't do the same with the BDP-3. The BDP-x almost a pc.
That's why it can be very hard when you put a SSD in it and you have to copy 4TB to it over a network.
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Hi everyone -
I'm waiting on delivery of a BDP-3 and BOT-1, and I'm new to all of this.
Can anyone recommend an internal 2TB SSD? Maybe the Samsung 850 Evo Series or something like it? Please be specific as to model number. I'm more interested in quality and reliability than merely the lowest price.
FWIW, I'll be ripping my entire collection from scratch and not importing anything from my PC, NAS, etc.
Thanks,
Charlie
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Welcome Charlie!
I have had excellent, reliable performance from my Samsung 850 EVO 2 TB SSD (MZ-75E2T0B/AM), both as an internal and external drive. Not the Pro model. Running almost 2 years. I prefer it as an external drive for the convenience/speed of transferring new files to the drive. I simply detach the usb from the BDP-2 and plug in to my computer. Directly thru the PC, the transfers are quick, and take full advantage of the SSD/USB 3 speeds. Also easier to re-organize or create new folders if needed, which you will likely be doing a lot, early on. As an internal drive, I have to feed it over my wired ethernet network, which in my case is much slower.
If you really want the neatness of an internal drive, I'd still suggest you run it external till you get your collection organized, then convert to internal. External enclosures are dirt cheap. I use an ORICO "Tool free" enclosure, but there are countless options out there. https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-2-5inch-External-Enclosure-Support/dp/B0182FIWMM/ref=sr_1_38?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497705940&sr=1-38&keywords=ORICO+Enclosure
I used my BOT-1 to rip my entire CD collection as well. Quite a bit slower compared to a PC rip, but definitely better sound quality. But now that I've ripped my collection, I'm not sure that I still need the BOT, except to play an occasional CD someone brings by. Definitely try some Hi-Rez downloads, I think you will find rewarding with this caliber gear. Which DAC are you using?
Cheers!
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Tympani --
Thanks for the information! I'll probably go with the Samsung, then. A couple questions about that, if you would indulge me (yes, I've read through the other forums, but I'm still unclear):
1. Can the SSD just sit in the BDP-3 or does it need to be mounted? Some of the available mounts look a little large (designed to accommodate two and/or larger drives).
2. Does the SSD need to be formatted on my PC before being installed in the BDP-3, or after in the BDP-3? If before, I suppose I'll need some sort of USB--SATA cable.
3. In another thread, James mentioned that he keeps his favorite music on a smaller internal drive, and his "library" on an external drive. Why would he do that? Is this necessary if the 2TB internal drive will accommodate my entire collection?
4. If I use an internal drive, what would be the preferred method of creating a backup of my collection? An external USB drive connected to the BDP-3 itself?
Any other thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. BTW, I'm using a Benchmark DAC1, which I love and will probably stick with for the time being. Eventually I'll branch out and try some Hi-Rez downloads, which will force my hand.
Thanks again!
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Ow I think there is a problem with my BDP-3.
When the network lost his connection, the BDP-3 doesn't response anymore to manual control. I can't manual forward, backward or even pause the music. Also the arrow buttons doesn't response to anything.
By manual I mean by pushing the buttons on the BDP-3.
The BDP-3 will also not response if I just push to the power button.
The music is playing his list but that is it.
Is it broken or is this a software problem?
The only way to shutdown is to push the power button for a seconds and then it restarts. What is happening????? :cry:
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Ow I think there is a problem with my BDP-3.
When the network lost his connection, the BDP-3 doesn't response anymore to manual control. I can't manual forward, backward or even pause the music. Also the arrow buttons doesn't response to anything.
By manual I mean by pushing the buttons on the BDP-3.
The BDP-3 will also not response if I just push to the power button.
The music is playing his list but that is it.
Is it broken or is this a software problem?
The only way to shutdown is to push the power button for a seconds and then it restarts. What is happening????? :cry:
Can you put it in service mode?
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So have the details, price and time frame been worked out about the BDP-2 to BDP-3 upgrade that has been mentioned as a possibility?
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So have the details, price and time frame been worked out about the BDP-2 to BDP-3 upgrade that has been mentioned as a possibility?
Hi Rod
We are definitely going to offer it - just working out the costing.
james
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Tympani --
Thanks for the information! I'll probably go with the Samsung, then. A couple questions about that, if you would indulge me (yes, I've read through the other forums, but I'm still unclear):
1. Can the SSD just sit in the BDP-3 or does it need to be mounted? Some of the available mounts look a little large (designed to accommodate two and/or larger drives).
2. Does the SSD need to be formatted on my PC before being installed in the BDP-3, or after in the BDP-3? If before, I suppose I'll need some sort of USB--SATA cable.
3. In another thread, James mentioned that he keeps his favorite music on a smaller internal drive, and his "library" on an external drive. Why would he do that? Is this necessary if the 2TB internal drive will accommodate my entire collection?
4. If I use an internal drive, what would be the preferred method of creating a backup of my collection? An external USB drive connected to the BDP-3 itself?
Any other thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. BTW, I'm using a Benchmark DAC1, which I love and will probably stick with for the time being. Eventually I'll branch out and try some Hi-Rez downloads, which will force my hand.
Thanks again!
The SSD is secured internally by 4 tiny screws, and connected by an internal SATA cable. No extra caddy needed. The drive is intrinsically SATA, an external enclosure converts it to USB. Very easy install. Even if you're dead-set on using the SSD internally, buy a cheap ($8) external enclosure as mentioned above. You can do the formatting to NTFS on your computer, and keep ready access to your files for editing and organizing, until your collection is done. Then remove it from the enclosure and mount it in the BDP. Who knows, you may decide to keep it external, as I did.
Backup is crucial. I have a backup folder on my computer hard drive, and also on an external Western Digital spinning 2TB USB drive, connected to PC (can't have too many backups, you just have to remember to update all of them with any additions). Don't connect a backup drive to the BDP, it just creates another drive that has to be updated on power-up and robs the USB-bus of power.
If your drive is large enough, I see no reason to create separate drives, just organize your folders. I do use smaller flash drives for creating "demo" folders to carry around.
About the BOT-1, I don't regret getting it, as it integrates beautifully with the BDP-2 and creates great rips. I just wish it had other uses (like playing SACD dsd streams through the BDP - now that would be something 8))
Happy to take PM's if preferred.
Enjoy!
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Can you put it in service mode?
I think I can but can you explain me where I have to set this?
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Go to the Dashboard then the Services menu
Now select "Service Mode" and then select Start
This will generate a service ID number to send to Bryston.
David
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Ok, thanks
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James, the BDP-3 is in service mode.
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James, the BDP-3 is in service mode.
OK what is the service mode number?
Send it to Chris please.
crice@bryston.com
james
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it's ID170, I will email Chris. Already thanks.
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James,
How does it work now the BDP-3 is in service mode? I have to keep the player on?
What I just saw was that the service ID is changed from 170 to 22.
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James,
How does it work now the BDP-3 is in service mode? I have to keep the player on?
What I just saw was that the service ID is changed from 170 to 22.
Ok please send 22 to Chris. I think he is away until tomorrow.
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now the ID = 154. Why do they change?
ps, I already mailed Chris.
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A lot has to do with how the USB is implemented.
I actually prefer USB in my setup with the BDP-3 and BDA-3
james
James, I have been experimenting with using USB on my SP3, and I believe you have a point. While my AES input to the SP3 seemingly delivers more slam in the frequency extremes, the USB has a more relaxed sound that makes the mid range frequencies seem more pronounced and better articulated. I can now see the importance of ungrading my SP3 USB input for listening to the higher sampling rates.
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Hi Rod
We are definitely going to offer it - just working out the costing.
james
Thanks
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Bdp3 sent from Bryston, probably get it next week YUHUU :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2 Upgrade To BDP-3
July, 2017
Hi Folks,
Bryston is pleased to announce an upgrade path from a BDP-2 Digital player to our new BDP-3 Digital Player for our customers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165404)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165405)
The Upgrade Includes:
• New Main Board
• New Back Panel
• New Cable assemblies
• Quad Core Processor
• USB -3 (x3) ... USB-2 (x5)
• 8 GB of Memory Avaialble
• Two Independent USB Buss on Rear
• Much Faster Load Times for Music Libraries
• Much faster Ripping Times for CD’s with the Bryston BOT
Price is $1500 plus shipping.
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Probably against better knowledge, but given the fact that the only thing remaining the same is the frontpanel, which is the same as on our beloved Bdp-1's, would the upgrade be possible on a Bdp-1 too?
Would be way majestic....
Cheers
Marius
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Probably against better knowledge, but given the fact that the only thing remaining the same is the frontpanel, which is the same as on our beloved Bdp-1's, would the upgrade be possible on a Bdp-1 too?
Would be way majestic....
Cheers
Marius
Hi Marius,
No sorry only the BDP-2.
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165407)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165407)
Well, I think it's a nice opportunity... why are you posting that image?
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Well, I think it's a nice opportunity... why are you posting that image?
Seemed appropriate imo. Don't take it personally.
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Seemed appropriate imo. Don't take it personally.
Sure, no issues
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2 Upgrade To BDP-3
July, 2017
Hi Folks,
Bryston is pleased to announce an upgrade path from a BDP-2 Digital player to our new BDP-3 Digital Player for our customers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165404)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165405)
The Upgrade Includes:
• New Main Board
• New Back Panel
• New Cable assemblies
• Quad Core Processor
• USB -3 (x3) ... USB-2 (x5)
• 8 GB of Memory Avaialble
• Two Independent USB Buss on Rear
• Much Faster Load Times for Music Libraries
• Much faster Ripping Times for CD’s with the Bryston BOT
Price is $1500 plus shipping.
How do we go about doing that James?
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Hi
Contact Mike Pickett - mpickett@bryston.com
james
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@James Tanner
@unincognito
The BDP-3 manual says it outputs DSD64 via HDMI. There wouldn't be any problem playing multichannel DSD64 music files from the BDP-3, correct? I would be upgrading a BDP-2 to BDP-2.5 with the upgrade kit and outputting FLAC and DSD64 stereo and multichannel files to an HDMI input on the Yamaha CX-A5100 preamp/processor in my home theater system.
I am currently playing multichannel music files via the HDMI output of an Oppo UDP-205 blu-ray player. The Oppo's user interface for music is very cumbersome, as I must use my TV
Other questions:
1. As I understand it, the power supplies of the BDP-2 and BDP-3 are identical. The only functional differences are the main board, back panel, and some internal cabling, correct?
2. Does the BDP-3's HDMI output use the IAD board, or, just like the BDP-2, only the AES and S/PDIF outputs use the IAD?
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@James Tanner
@unincognito
The BDP-3 manual says it outputs DSD64 via HDMI. There wouldn't be any problem playing multichannel DSD64 music files from the BDP-3, correct? I would be upgrading a BDP-2 to BDP-2.5 with the upgrade kit and outputting FLAC and DSD64 stereo and multichannel files to an HDMI input on the Yamaha CX-A5100 preamp/processor in my home theater system.
I am currently playing multichannel music files via the HDMI output of an Oppo UDP-205 blu-ray player. The Oppo's user interface for music is very cumbersome, as I must use my TV
Other questions:
1. As I understand it, the power supplies of the BDP-2 and BDP-3 are identical. The only functional differences are the main board, back panel, and some internal cabling, correct?
2. Does the BDP-3's HDMI output use the IAD board, or, just like the BDP-2, only the AES and S/PDIF outputs use the IAD?
i feel like that could be a mistake, i believe i've tried this and it was a no go between a BDP-3 and BDA-3 via HDMI. It would go up to 192KHz 24bit pcm, but it wouldn't lock onto DSD from the BDP. The playback software built into the BDP is stereo only, we've thought about adding multi-channel capability, but know ones been really pushing for it.
I thought OPPO had a iOS and Android Apps for controlling playback?
The HDMI doesn't use the built in IAD, but rather is driven by the onboard intel chipset and was primarily left in there to allow people to compare, as a visual aid (S2.35 or newer) and we thought we might take a crack at multichannel at some point (maybe do a mplayer web gui).
Chris
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@James Tanner
@unincognito
The BDP-3 manual says it outputs DSD64 via HDMI. There wouldn't be any problem playing multichannel DSD64 music files from the BDP-3, correct? I would be upgrading a BDP-2 to BDP-2.5 with the upgrade kit and outputting FLAC and DSD64 stereo and multichannel files to an HDMI input on the Yamaha CX-A5100 preamp/processor in my home theater system.
I am currently playing multichannel music files via the HDMI output of an Oppo UDP-205 blu-ray player. The Oppo's user interface for music is very cumbersome, as I must use my TV
Other questions:
1. As I understand it, the power supplies of the BDP-2 and BDP-3 are identical. The only functional differences are the main board, back panel, and some internal cabling, correct?
2. Does the BDP-3's HDMI output use the IAD board, or, just like the BDP-2, only the AES and S/PDIF outputs use the IAD?
Hi DarqueKnight,
great to hear about your Oppo205 and Bryston combi in setup. We've been discussing this in another thread, while wondering about various preferences for HDMI output and optimal DAC settings. please see Re: BDA-3 DAC (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=138471.msg1625571#msg1625571)
Would you care to tell us about your experience please? I'm particularly interested in how to get the best sound out of my SACD and BD audio discs. Use a HDMI de-embedder at the moment into my BDA1, but would think the BDA3 with its native HDMI input and newer DAC perform better. Also, the 205 dac seems up to the latest specs, so im also very interested in a comparison between the Oppo and the BDA3.
Thanks,
Marius
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I thought OPPO had a iOS and Android Apps for controlling playback?
Yes, Oppo does offer iOS and Android apps for controlling playback, and I do not like using my cell phone (Samsung S7) with its relatively small display, as a remote control. As I said...cumbersome. I use a docked tablet computer, running Windows 8.1, as a control device for the web-enabled components in my home theater system. I use Oppo's Android app on the Windows tablet by using an Android emulator, NOXplayer (free). The screenshot below shows how the NOXplayer GUI appears on my tablet computer's desktop. Since the Oppo's app was written for small mobile phone screens, it only occupies 29% of of the tablet's desktop. Also, creating playlists with this app is not very friendly. Sometimes the app has to be restarted for newly added songs to show up in the playlist.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166981)
Hi DarqueKnight,
great to hear about your Oppo205 and Bryston combi in setup. We've been discussing this in another thread, while wondering about various preferences for HDMI output and optimal DAC settings. please see Re: BDA-3 DAC (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=138471.msg1625571#msg1625571)
Would you care to tell us about your experience please? I'm particularly interested in how to get the best sound out of my SACD and BD audio discs. Use a HDMI de-embedder at the moment into my BDA1, but would think the BDA3 with its native HDMI input and newer DAC perform better. Also, the 205 dac seems up to the latest specs, so im also very interested in a comparison between the Oppo and the BDA3.
I am using the DAC stage of my Yamaha CX-A5100 preamp/processor to decode DSD via HDMI from the Oppo UDP-205. With the Yamaha pre/pro, I did not experience the popping issue that some BDA-3 owners complained about when going from a PCM to DSD file and vice versa.
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Yes, Oppo does offer iOS and Android apps for controlling playback, and I do not like using my cell phone (Samsung S7) with its relatively small display, as a remote control. As I said...cumbersome.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166981)
Thanks DK,
Will the Oppo app allow for a tv -less operation? I’ve several BD audio that require me to turn on the tv to scroll through the menu/ chapters and then select tracks. Would be lovely if this were to be catered for through the app?
This playlist looks fine, but (how) is the full track list displayed upon disc load?
Cheers Marius
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Hi James,
did any magazine request BDP3 for review?
thanks!
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Hi James,
did any magazine request BDP3 for review?
thanks!
Yes Stereophile has it now and loves it !!!! :thumb:
james
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Thanks :thumb:
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Hi James,
Do you already have a pdf file for us?
Willy
Yes Stereophile has it now and loves it !!!! :thumb:
james
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Hi James,
Do you already have a pdf file for us?
Willy
Hi Willy
No - with Stereophile its about a 6 month wait for the review to get published.
james
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Just wanna let you know, I have it and love it to :thumb:
:lol:
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Yes Stereophile has it now and loves it !!!! :thumb:
james
They should. Especially after they prematurely took the BDP-2 off the A+ list for recommended digital components. :(
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They should. Especially after they prematurely took the BDP-2 off the A+ list for recommended digital components. :(
Whoa. What was their reason for doing that?
Happy with my BDP-1.
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Whoa. What was their reason for doing that?
Happy with my BDP-1.
I thought you sold your BDP-1?
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They should. Especially after they prematurely took the BDP-2 off the A+ list for recommended digital components. :(
There was a short blurb as to why the BDP-2 and few other products were removed, that being that the products are discontinued which I don't think you can fault them for that.
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I thought you sold your BDP-1?
Still here.
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There was a short blurb as to why the BDP-2 and few other products were removed, that being that the products are discontinued which I don't think you can fault them for that.
Not a good policy. Awards can't be withdrawn -- imagine Nobels being taken away because the recipients retired down the road..... :o
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There was a short blurb as to why the BDP-2 and few other products were removed, that being that the products are discontinued which I don't think you can fault them for that.
But, at the time Stereophile removed the BDP-2, many dealers still had them in stock. :o
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But, at the time Stereophile removed the BDP-2, many dealers still had them in stock. :o
and it's still a very popular and high-performance item!! :wink:
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Thanks DK,
Will the Oppo app allow for a tv -less operation? I’ve several BD audio that require me to turn on the tv to scroll through the menu/ chapters and then select tracks. Would be lovely if this were to be catered for through the app?
This playlist looks fine, but (how) is the full track list displayed upon disc load?
Cheers Marius
Hi Marius,
Sorry for the delay in answering your question. For some reason, I have stopped getting email notifications for this thread and I just now saw your questions upon revisiting the thread.
The Oppo app does allow for TV-less operation. My music files are organized by album folders, and the album folders are grouped according to genre and whether they are PCM or DSD. Clicking on an album folder shows all the song files along with a thumbnail of the cover art. When I first start the app, I see my master folders, and then click through sub-folders to get to the album I want....or I select a playlist from the playlist page.
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If you dac will accept DoP via spdif, then yes, even the BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD and perhaps even the original Juli@ could. I've never tested it myself, but customers have reported that this configuration works.
The BDP-2's DSD over S/PDIF or AES/EBU works very well. The BDP-2 in my two channel system is connected to a dCS Debussy DAC via AES/EBU cable . I compared DSD files over USB, S/PDIF, and AES/EBU and preferred AES/EBU.
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Hi Marius,
Sorry for the delay in answering your question. For some reason, I have stopped getting email notifications for this thread and I just now saw your questions upon revisiting the thread.
The Oppo app does allow for TV-less operation. My music files are organized by album folders, and the album folders are grouped according to genre and whether they are PCM or DSD. Clicking on an album folder shows all the song files along with a thumbnail of the cover art. When I first start the app, I see my master folders, and then click through sub-folders to get to the album I want....or I select a playlist from the playlist page.
No Worries DK, thanks for your confirmation.
What happens when you insert a BD audio Disc? Is the menu visible on the Oppo, or preferably, on the app? Or do we still need the TV set to display and use the menu.
Thanks,
Marius
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The BDP-2's DSD over S/PDIF or AES/EBU works very well. The BDP-2 in my two channel system is connected to a dCS Debussy DAC via AES/EBU cable . I compared DSD files over USB, S/PDIF, and AES/EBU and preferred AES/EBU.
Hi DarqueKnight,
so is it possible to send DSD files over AES/EBU to an external Dac? I tought it was limited to USB...
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@Granthill, I think the limiting factor is the DAC. If it's a BDA-3, that will accept DSD only over its USB jack. The BDP-2 apparently can send DSD over its AES, but if your DAC is not able to do DSD over its AES circuitry.....feel free (anyone) to correct me.
cheers
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thank you CanadianMaestro
cheers
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@Granthill, I think the limiting factor is the DAC. If it's a BDA-3, that will accept DSD only over its USB jack. The BDP-2 apparently can send DSD over its AES, but if your DAC is not able to do DSD over its AES circuitry.....feel free (anyone) to correct me.
cheers
As far as i am ware this is true. We've never tested it, but it has been reported to be functional with dac's that support it from various customers on this forum and via email.
Chris
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Hi DarqueKnight,
so is it possible to send DSD files over AES/EBU to an external Dac? I tought it was limited to USB...
Yes. The DSD information needs to be repackaged in PCM (DoP or DSD over PCM) and the DAC must be able to accept DoP input. The BDP-2 sends DSD out via AES/EBU and S/PDIF (coax) using the DoP protocol. My dCS Debussy DAC can accept DoP data streams via its AES/EBU and S/PDIF inputs.
Bryston chose not to implement DoP input on the BDA-3's AES and S/PDIF inputs due to the following reason:
Hi Folks,
The reason we do not offer DSD playback on the BDA-3 on the AES and COAX ‘inputs’ has to do with the sample rate converters currently available. DSD samples at much higher frequencies than PCM and current sample rate converters are not capable of operating at those higher frequencies. The BDA3 is a modular design and some new sample rate converters being developed now claim they will offer native high resolution PMC 352 and PMC 384 sample rate capability as well as DSD. We will certainly look at them going forward and offer an upgrade if they perform better.
So to offer DSD on the AES or COAX inputs on the BDA-3 means you would have to bypass the sample rate converter on the AES or COAX inputs which would ‘increase jitter’ because our current sample converters in the BDA-3 reduce jitter on the input.
So in Bryston’s case we definitely want the sample rate converter in the circuit for 44.1 to 192 PCM signals. Also some DAC’s we have looked at that are DSD capable on those inputs convert all the incoming sample rates (44,48,88,96,176,192Hz) to a very high single sample rate ‘Asynchronously’ whereas our preference with our DAC’s is to maintain the ‘Native’ incoming PCM sample rate throughout the conversion process with all PCM signals. If we do up-sample we do it in a synchronous manner so (44.1 becomes 176.4 and 48 becomes 192) not asynchronous.
So the way USB works on the BDA-3 is we have a special input circuit that determines if the incoming signal is PCM or DSD and routes the signal to the appropriate input circuit. These are completely different circuit paths optimized for the different ways PCM and DSD are handled to optimize performance. So PCM from 44 to 384 is optimized as well as DSD DOP 64 and 128 and Native DSD 64 /128 and 356 (x1/x2/x4).
We feel this is the best option currently and due to the modularity of the BDA-3 we can make changes going forward as better devices are developed but maintaining and optimizing the best ‘NATIVE’ playback (either PCM or DSD) is am important goal in our designs.
Hope this helps.
James
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So a BDA-3 owner can, basically, use ONE USB cable and play PCM and DSD thru this cable (from say, a BDP-2/-3) without any compromise in accuracy.
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No Worries DK, thanks for your confirmation.
What happens when you insert a BD audio Disc? Is the menu visible on the Oppo, or preferably, on the app? Or do we still need the TV set to display and use the menu.
Thanks,
Marius
No, the menu is not visible on neither the Oppo's display nor the app. For disc-based playback, a TV is required to navigate through the menu. For digital file playback, the menu can be accessed via the app and a TV is not required.
Oppo's app works better on an iPhone or Android phone since that is what the app was written for. In order to use the app on my Windows 8.1 tablet, I use an Android emulator called Nox. However, the emulator interface causes some features of the app not to work, such as titles not showing up when a disc is played. Occasionally the app will hang or the app will cause the player to hang when used from a Windows computer.
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No, the menu is not visible on neither the Oppo's display nor the app. For disc-based playback, a TV is required to navigate through the menu. For digital file playback, the menu can be accessed via the app and a TV is not required.
Oppo's app works better on an iPhone or Android phone since that is what the app was written for. In order to use the app on my Windows 8.1 tablet, I use an Android emulator called Nox. However, the emulator interface causes some features of the app not to work, such as titles not showing up when a disc is played. Occasionally the app will hang or the app will cause the player to hang when used from a Windows computer.
Thanks!
I was told also the 205's controlling interface would hang frequently and be quite unresponsive, even was told to hold back purchase for this reason, and wait and see whether expected updates would improve on this.
You wouldn't happen to know of another serious player to not need the TV for disc-based playback? ...
Cheers,
Marius
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Yes. The DSD information needs to be repackaged in PCM (DoP or DSD over PCM) and the DAC must be able to accept DoP input. The BDP-2 sends DSD out via AES/EBU and S/PDIF (coax) using the DoP protocol. My dCS Debussy DAC can accept DoP data streams via its AES/EBU and S/PDIF inputs.
Bryston chose not to implement DoP input on the BDA-3's AES and S/PDIF inputs due to the following reason:
Since James's post on this is from 2 years ago, i would be very interested to know, being tempted and seriously considering purchasing the new BDA3, whether these mentioned future upgrades are already in place? Or is Bryston still using the 2 year old DAC's in their flagship converter.
Cheers,
Marius
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So a BDA-3 owner can, basically, use ONE USB cable and play PCM and DSD thru this cable (from say, a BDP-2/-3) without any compromise in accuracy.
Yes. It would be interesting to know if BDA3 performs better from BDP2/3 from USB or from AES/EBU with IAD... I remember that James wrote that he prefers the USB way, but I might be wrong...
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Yes. It would be interesting to know if BDA3 performs better from BDP2/3 from USB or from AES/EBU with IAD... I remember that James wrote that he prefers the USB way, but I might be wrong...
A well-mastered recording should sound great from either jack imho.
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But as not all (few) recordings are mastered well, how poor recordings/mastering sound is equally important as well.
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But as not all (few) recordings are mastered well, how poor recordings/mastering sound is equally important as well.
This is true. But neutrality is Bryston's hallmark, so it may be very hard to hear changes -- input = output, assuming cable/connector is not faulty.
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Hello everyone,
Don't know if the question was already asked or not:
is the BDP-3 able to play movies while connected via HDMI to a TV?
He certainly plays the sound, but no image.
Is the movie play restricted or maybe format depending ?