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Industry Circles => Spatial Audio => Topic started by: reillyzing on 30 Aug 2016, 07:26 pm
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Apologies if this thread is not allowed.
A few days ago at the Spatial web site, there was an advertisement showing the speakers as coming soon. There were no photos.. The advertisement is no longer there as of this post.
Maybe some would like to begin speculating a little on the design, or even have some information already.
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I do know something.....but am not telling.....because what I know may no longer be real. Please call Clayton and ask him. Speculation does no one any good.
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A Spatial Hologram reviewer mentioned several months ago that revised M1 and M2 are expected later this year.
I emailed Clayton regarding this but received no reply, though he did later reply to an unrelated inquiry.
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If you really want some info from someone then you usually must call them. Almost everyone has unlimited calling these days. Clayton will probably answer the phone.....he did when I called a few weeks ago. I find it amazing that people ask questions on forums when they could talk to the manufacturers directly and get the "real scoop". Email is way to easy to not reply to. I know, I space it out plenty.....but when someone calls, either I answer or there is a message on the answering machine that is much harder to ignore.
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Making mountains out of mole hills.... Lighten up :wink:
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Have you seen all the "Is so and so still in business"?, How do I get this to do that?, I am having a problem with this thing, can anyone help?, etc. etc. posts all over the net? Almost all of these posts could be avoided by the person calling the manufacturer direct. I mod the Oppo players and people call me to ask me how to do something with the player and they have not called Oppo? Why would I know more than Oppo? Why would anyone know more than the manufacturer? Think about it. Maybe we are all drama kings and just want attention.....he he. Maybe we think we are disturbing the manufacturers or we don't want to look stupid so instead we post online somewhere? Do you need an intermediary between you and God? Or can you go direct? Fun stuff to think about.
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Hmm. Well, I like to think questions on the internet form answers on the internet.... Not necessarily this question, but this thread could form into talk about what's coming in the future, then will become a valid information resource.
Then we have become productive, and the question/information is already posted online so that we can quickly receive the answer by Googling instead of relying on the manufacturer to respond.
More to think about?
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One of the reasons my post count is so low is bc when I have a question, I search the netz before starting a thread. Turns out almost everything (except brand new technology) has been discussed somewhere in great lengths. So what are the forums for these days? :scratch:
Entertainment... witty banter, snide remarks and talking about ourselves. Oh, and dropping imagoes. :green:
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BTW, I opened this thread for rumors of "new technology" (or new product development info).
IDK.
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A Spatial Hologram reviewer mentioned several months ago that revised M1 and M2 are expected later this year.
I emailed Clayton regarding this but received no reply, though he did later reply to an unrelated inquiry.
I remember talking to Clayton a few months ago and I got the impression there would be no revival of the M1/M2.....at least not in that original platform/design. Maybe this is what the "X" is all about? :?
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I remember talking to Clayton a few months ago and I got the impression there would be no revival of the M1/M2.....at least not in that original platform/design. Maybe this is what the "X" is all about? :?
I am privy to some of the original design plans for the X1 but I am not sure how much they have strayed so I am reluctant to post what could be outdated information. I do know the X speaker(s) (there may eventually be more than one X model) will cost significantly more than the M3 Turbo S but also significantly less than the Lumina models. The X speakers are definitely not a replacement for the M1/M2s.
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I am privy to some of the original design plans for the X1 but I am not sure how much they have strayed so I am reluctant to post what could be outdated information. I do know the X speaker(s) (there may eventually be more than one X model) will cost significantly more than the M3 Turbo S but also significantly less than the Lumina models. The X speakers are definitely not a replacement for the M1/M2s.
Thank you for the first post that finally brought some value to this thread. Eventually, there might be no X after all, but we at least moved a step forward. :)
Regards to the significantly more and less, significantly must be around number 3:
significantly more = 3
significantly less = 1/3
significantly more x $2.5k = $7.5k
$24k x significantly less = $8k
...so the price will be between $7.5-8k :P
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Hello Everyone,
Yes, the beast does exist and is scheduled to be introduced late this year. I will share detailed information soon, but for now, I will mention one radical key feature of the X1 - the Uniwave, wideband section:
The entire frequency range above 300Hz is radiated by a single, 100mm Beryllium diaphragm up to 20kHz. The Unity Wavelaunch design delivers a complete, all at once coherent picture of the source material, with ultra low distortion and high dynamic range. The driver section is based on the state-the-art Radian 951 Be compression driver with Materion 100mm diaphragm and massive Neodymium motor assembly. Made in USA
I think the X1 will prove to be a big step forward in design. Next, I will cover the waveguide and low frequency system. Stay tuned.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150300)
Clayton Shaw
Spatial Audio
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Don't say that! Instead, say it is only an incremental improvement over my 2 month old M3 Turbo S speakers and that only those who hear better than bats would prefer it :lol:
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Can't wait to hear this one with a LIO :thumb:
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Can't wait to hear this one with a LIO :thumb:
Yep.
:banana piano: :drums: :guitar:
George
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Wow. One driver from 300 Hz on up in a waveguide. My interest is peaked :thumb: Must be a mighty large waveguide.
Best,
Anand.
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Well, from the term unity, I'd be guessing it's coaxial. Be interesting to see one get down that low.
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Just when you think you are through looking for and buying speakers for a while.
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Damn. I am officially intrigued.
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Thank you for giving us more info on this.
Stay tuned.
Will you share it in this thread or we should check your site every now and then? :? :|
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I wonder if there will be an update option for M3/M4 owners. The compression driver of my M3 turbo S definitely is it's week spot when it comes to resolution.
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I wonder if there will be an update option for M3/M4 owners. The compression driver of my M3 turbo S definitely is it's week spot when it comes to resolution.
You should look upstream then.
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I wonder if there will be an update option for M3/M4 owners. The compression driver of my M3 turbo S definitely is it's week spot when it comes to resolution.
I don't believe there will be an upgrade, but Clayton will need to say that.
I wouldn't call resolution a weak spot of the M3 Turbo S speakers.
Just curious, what speaker do you think has significantly better resolution?
George
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It seems the speaker will be revealed soon
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150930)
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A 1.4 inch exit (four inch Beryllium voice coil) compression driver firing through a large waveguide going down to 300HZ will simply be amazing. The bass dynamics and drum sets will explode and pin you to the back wall. The clarity will astound you. The lower the frequency you go with a compression driver then the faster the whole speaker sounds.....and more coherent.....assuming great waveguide design. Of course, you need state of the art crossover parts, damping, wiring and jacks......hopefully, we get it all here for around $10K.
The M3/M4 can be upgraded for better sound. Clayton may do this later. I suggested this to him: Make a super external xover using the worlds best parts/wiring and hardwire the wires to the xover parts so that the only connector is the push on connector to the driver. This way you can just remove the stock wires from the drivers and hook up the external xover and in 10 minutes have a way superior speaker. You could go back to the stock xover/wiring anytime to see what the improvements are in time as the new xover burns in. The xover parts and wiring are good in the stock speakers but nothing like what can be had for more money. He is simply limited by the selling price. The resistor on the tweeter and the coils and caps and wiring are all in the signal path.......replacing them with higher resolution parts will take the speaker to new levels of resolution and clarity and dynamics. The stock wiring is inside the speaker frame.....this is not great nor is the fact that the stock xover is vibrating with the speaker. By having a separate xover box that is damped off the floor and its wiring going straight to the drivers is optimal for best sound. Another thing I suggested was to add constrained layer damping material to the back of the large stamped frame woofers. He could precut pieces so that all you would have to do would be to peel off the backing and apply. Cleaner bass, warmer sound, more natural sound and clearer upper midrange would result.
Of course, one could do this oneself. You would need to remove the stock xover and measure all the xover parts and then make your own separate xover copying the design using better parts and wiring. You could just start with the parts for the compression driver and bi-wire at first to ease into this. Xover parts selection is an art. All parts sound different and some expensive super parts will not necessarily be best for these drivers. But, this could be a fun experiment for those inclined (perhaps no one......not very many tweaks out there). Hopefully Clayton will do as I suggested and offer a super xover that he has tuned to sound perfecto with his speakers. I would imagine the price of such xovers would have to be close to the original selling price......so basically doubling the speakers cost.....but still way under the $10K of these new babies.......and you could buy in cheap and then get the upgrade later when you had the money. Will there be a turbo EXTREME? I hope so.
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..hopefully, we get it all here for around $10K.
Everybody has his own price range. In my case $7,8k is already a pile of money to throw.
Of course, the M3 remains as a more affordable and reasonable option in case the price matches your predictions.
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http://horns-diy.pl/en/horns/seos/seos-30/
good down to 300hz. Imagine this with a couple of high quality 15" woofers horizontal underneath and a beryllium CD. :o
[img] http://horns-diy.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/07/SEOS-30a.jpg[img]
Low WAF however. :(
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Clayton told me the waveguide was 15 inches.....hard to imagine it getting down to 300hz....but, we shall see. I have a friend who just bought the 24 inch Seos waveguides and will be listening at the Radian factory Thursday to their Beryllium drivers....and will probably buy them and mount them on the 24 inch waveguide and use his modified Behringer crossover and actively biamp them. Should be fun. The drivers are $1200 each!!!! 24 inch waveguides don't have good WAF either.....but 30 inch!?!.....yikes.
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Clayton told me the waveguide was 15 inches.....hard to imagine it getting down to 300hz....but, we shall see. I have a friend who just bought the 24 inch Seos waveguides and will be listening at the Radian factory Thursday to their Beryllium drivers....and will probably buy them and mount them on the 24 inch waveguide and use his modified Behringer crossover and actively biamp them. Should be fun. The drivers are $1200 each!!!! 24 inch waveguides don't have good WAF either.....but 30 inch!?!.....yikes.
I built my current speakers using the SEOS 18/BA750/AE TD15M combo. Its interesting that the audiophile community has almost completely ignored these excellent waveguides which offer a very inexpensive route to high-end sound quality. Its ironical that the were developed by a group in the home theater community on the AVS forum.
BTW I crossover from the SEOS 18 to the TD15m @~670hz .
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One can sneak peak at the X1 video on Spatial audio facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/spatialaudio/videos/942609902456516/
I was actually expecting something like JBL M2, but with two 15" drivers in open baffle instead of ported JBL design. :(
Or somethnig like this
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151133)
Let's wait and see what the final product is going to look like.
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I don't see a video for the X1 speaker.
There is a video from 2015 for the M1.
Am I missing it?
George
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There is a video from 2015 for the M1.
You are not missing anything and I am obviously a bit crazy. Not sure how I missread it.
My appologies to everyone!!!
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Clayton told me a couple of months ago that it would be a 15 inch waveguide and an 18 inch woofer. I did not want to say anything at the beginning of the thread because it might have changed or might not even ever come into reality. At least we know its coming out and has a waveguide and Beryllium compression driver......what actual sizes the waveguide and woofer(s) ends up being we shall see. A single 18 would have lower bass and also not be as tall as having two 15s.
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Well, in his post above, Clayton wrote there would be an update coming soon so let's wait and see. :)
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You can expect a more futuristic design than the M-series!
The baffle in the current design phase is tilted backwards...
Have you had a chance to listen to them? :scratch:
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All I can say is I'm excited to see/hear the finished product. I might just have to go to UT to hear them early.
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...two more days!!! :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152223)
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Here it goes http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=146217.0
The most interesting part:
"Top Secret: Vinnie and I are now working on a diabolical plan to create an integrated LIO/X1 monster of titanic performance. Its game over for the old paradigm. "
How am I gonna fall asleep now? :D
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All,
It is true that Clayton and I have been working on some very cool solutions (yes, there will be more than one!)
to be used with the Spatial Audio X1's. 8)
We hope to begin sharing this information with you all in about a week, so hang on... it's coming!
Updates will be coming (and I'll also post them on the Vinnie Rossi forum when it's time), and yes, Clayton will be
updating his website.
I've very excited to be working with Clayton on this! 2017 is going to be another AWESOME year :singing:
Vinnie
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As per the Facebook photo the back of CD is open which means this speaker will be open baffle throughout the fq range.
Still a bit too much for me price wise, but looking very interesting.
We need a video review. :)
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Also, the bases in the photo where speakers are black are different. One has some kind of support for the baffle, the other one does not (or it is an optical trick where my eyes cannot see the left one has support).
I also saw a black and red combo photo where the base was again different. I assume the final decision about the base is still not made or these are rendering from different phases of the project.
The red and black looks the neatest as there are now screws visible in the waveguide and the base is metal only (matter of taste of course).
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153839)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153840)
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Also, the bases in the photo where speakers are black are different. One has some kind of support for the baffle, the other one does not (or it is an optical trick where my eyes cannot see the left one has support).
I also saw a black and red combo photo where the base was again different. I assume the final decision about the base is still not made or these are rendering from different phases of the project.
The red and black looks the neatest as there are now screws visible in the waveguide and the base is metal only (matter of taste of course).
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153839)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153840)
The final base design is shown in the image of the black speaker. It is very rigid while also being more compact.
Clayton
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Thank you for the clarification.
What would be a minimum "recommended" room size for these speakers?
Will they work in a near field setup as well?
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The X1s can be used in a fairly small room due to the open baffle low frequency section, so a good working minimum would be 13 wide x 17 deep. They will of course open up more in larger rooms. They will need to be away from the front wall 3 ft.
Clayton Shaw
Spatial Audio
www.spatialaudio.us
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Thank you for the clarification.
What would be a minimum "recommended" room size for these speakers?
Will they work in a near field setup as well?
The X1 is superb in near field applications since everything above 300Hz is emanating from a single source.
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Can this speaker be heard in the NYC area ?
charles
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Can this speaker be heard in the NYC area ?
charles
Our products are available factory direct, so interested parties are encouraged to visit our showroom in Salt Lake City for a demonstration. As production commences, there should be a number of customers on the east coast willing to demo their own systems. The X1 will also be on display at several audio shows next year - Munich, Los Angles Audio Show and Rocky Mountain Audiofest.
Clayton
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Our products are available factory direct, so interested parties are encouraged to visit our showroom in Salt Lake City for a demonstration. As production commences, there should be a number of customers on the east coast willing to demo their own systems. The X1 will also be on display at several audio shows next year - Munich, Los Angles Audio Show and Rocky Mountain Audiofest.
Clayton
No AXPONA in 2017?
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The Hologram M3 will be at Axpona in the Lampizator room. I will not attend that show - gearing up for X1 Debut in Munich.
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The Hologram M3 will be at Axpona in the Lampizator room. I will not attend that show - gearing up for X1 Debut in Munich.
Glad I'll be making the trip to Utah in December. :green: Already have reservations for Axpona and am thinking about Munich too as I might have business there anyway.
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The X1s can be used in a fairly small room due to the open baffle low frequency section, so a good working minimum would be 13 wide x 17 deep. They will of course open up more in larger rooms. They will need to be away from the front wall 3 ft.
Clayton Shaw
Spatial Audio
www.spatialaudio.us
Speakers look good Clayton...bet they sound even better!
George
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Speakers look good Clayton...bet they sound even better!
George
I'll be the judge of that. :green: :green: :green: :green: :green:
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I'll be the judge of that. :green: :green: :green: :green: :green:
I'm sure you will...
George
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Oh, one other thought.
What if the floor is not perfectly flat, are there any feer below to level it up?
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Oh, one other thought.
What if the floor is not perfectly flat, are there any feer below to level it up?
Yes, they have adjustable feet.
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Glad I'll be making the trip to Utah in December.
jtwrace,
So... how did you like the X1's?
Steve
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jtwrace,
So... how did you like the X1's?
Steve
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=146217.msg1575276#msg1575276
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Anyone in Munich?
If so, how was X1?
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Anyone in Munich?
If so, how was X1?
We we not able to demo the X1 in Munich due to a variety of amplifier and computer problems - so they were static. We did show the new M3 Triode Master in another system to good effect. It is very tough to get good sound at the Munich show - more of an expo where you look and talk. It was a lot of fun though. We will demonstrate the X1 next week at the LA show with the Vinnie Rossi LIO.
Clayton
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We we not able to demo the X1 in Munich due to a variety of amplifier and computer problems - so they were static.
:( Good luck in LA!!!
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Clayton and Vinnie, have a great show in LA debuting your new combo!
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Clayton and Vinnie, have a great show in LA debuting your new combo!
Thanks KLH007 and mirekti!
I'll be sure to post a new thread on my forum about our LAAS room and show coverage.
Cheers,
Vinnie
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Thanks KLH007 and mirekti!
I'll be sure to post a new thread on my forum about our LAAS room and show coverage.
Cheers,
Vinnie
Can't wait to see pics and read all the great reviews!
George
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Thanks KLH007 and mirekti!
I'll be sure to post a new thread on my forum about our LAAS room and show coverage.
Cheers,
Vinnie
I forgot to post a link to the LAAS 2017 coverage:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=150692.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=150692.0)
and this one was just posted today by PartTimeAudiophile:
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/07/01/la-audio-show-2017-spatial-speakers-and-vinnie-rossi-lio-literally-made-for-each-other/#jp-carousel-64676 (https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/07/01/la-audio-show-2017-spatial-speakers-and-vinnie-rossi-lio-literally-made-for-each-other/#jp-carousel-64676)
Vinnie