Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???

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ssglx

Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #40 on: 4 Feb 2012, 01:22 am »
I also found the dac magic to be too bright for my tastes. The MF v-dac is warmer and more liquid. Love it.

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Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #41 on: 4 Feb 2012, 03:36 pm »
I personally haven't heard the Cambridge DAC but I have found in the past that Cambridge stereo equipment is not bright or harsh. What's your other equipment? Could be something else.

I'll pile on here too charmerci, sorry.  I do have a Cambridge CDP that is anything but bright, it's smooth, detailed and relaxed (and now broke for the second time).  But I have a Cambridge Phono Pre that is definitively on the cool side.  So they're kinda schizo on SQ, they don't always have a "house sound" that stays consistent over the years, but I'd say trending to brighter and more detailed for the past few years.

charmerci

Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #42 on: 4 Feb 2012, 08:12 pm »
I'll pile on here too charmerci, sorry.

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raysracing

Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #43 on: 5 Feb 2012, 04:00 am »
You're on the right path.  Leave no stone unturned though.

My last 2 condos have had solid concrete floors, whether bare & exposed (now) or carpeted w/pad.  Both situations are toxic to the sound.  If your speakers or gear is touching or spiked to concrete, the sound goes bright & thinner.

I like the spdif input on the dac-11 much more than toslink.  Until this week i've only used usb for digital audio, still a virgin.  the spdif might just have more gain, but it sounds way less relaxed than optical.

My basement is a riverbed stone floor with a thin cheap carpet andy HT has bare wood floors. A carpet and a sectional sofa are soon to be installed. Both good sound absorbers

brother love

Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #44 on: 28 Feb 2012, 06:25 pm »
I received my Silver faceplate TubeDAC-11 on Feb. 1 (I posted pics on pg. 2 of this thread), & now have 150 hrs. or so of burn-in time. Chassis feet rocked ever so slightly at first which was easily remedied by pressing down on the corners to level out. I set the DAC-11 on a section of marble & used 4 vibrapod isolators under the DAC-11 for stability. Selector knob aligns properly w/ source choices (there has been a few reports of quality issues re: these items mentioned).

System details-

GR Research N-3 transmission line speakers w/ upgraded crossover Sonicap capacitors & bypass caps, No-rez cabinet damping material, & Electra Cable braided speaker cables

Virtue Audio Sensation M-451 T-Class integrated amp w/ Dodd Audio tube buffer- Psvane 12AU7-T tube & SLA battery-powered supply (2-12v 5 amp) incl. trickle charger

Oppo BDP-83SE blu-ray player incl. 2 ch upgrade w/ 8 ch Sabre Ultra ES9016 DAC chip

iMac 3.06 gHz 12 gb memory & 500 gb HD; 5 meter Belkin USB cable between DAC-11 & iMac

Decibel audiophile player (also auditioned Audirvana Plus); running 24/96 hog mode (exclusive rights obtained)

iPad2 used as w/ various remote apps for Decibel player, Spotify, iTunes

I’ve done some serious listening of late w/ the TubeDAC-11 (with & without tube). I experimented primarily w/ 24/96 material, some redbook material, Spotify, etc.

The Grant Fidelity TubeDAC-11 w/ 6N11 stock tube sounds very nice esp. so w/ 24/96 tracks … organic, slightly warm, airy, non-fatiguing.

I always have preferred tubes either in the amp or preamp, but not both. This was also the case in this instance. Utilizing tubes in both took away some of the detail & was too laid back. Bypassing the tube buffer on the amp & using the DAC-11 tube buffer was very good, but a tad thinner. Louder vocal passages were bit more shouty than the preferred method: Amp w/ tube buffer switched on & using the excellent Psvane 12AU7-T tube (acquired from GF) & DAC-11 DAC only bypassing the DAC-11 tube buffer. It was not a night & day difference, but improvement nonetheless.

I also preferred maxing out the DAC-11 pot & solely utilizing the ALPS motorized pot of the M-451 amp.

I did move the iMac close to the 2 channel rig & connected the USB cable supplied w/ the DAC-11. Using the same 24/96 source material, I could not detect an audible difference between the shorter & longer USB cables.

Comparing Marianne Thorsen/ Trondeim Solistene Mozart Violin Concerto 24/96 track thru the DAC-11 vs. Stereo DSD same track thru the Oppo BDP-83SE was interesting. They both sounded fantastic. I couldn’t consistently pick one better than the other. The Oppo Sabre Ultra DAC is revealing, but silky. The amp tube buffer helps smooth things out & probably masks some distinctions.

I don’t have a large amount of 24/96 material yet (maybe 50 tracks all told, classical, jazz) & what I do have is lacking in the rock/alternative area that I most prefer, so I still need to audition more.

For $325, this “swiss army knife” TubeDAC-11 is a real bargain for sure!

persisting1

Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #45 on: 28 Feb 2012, 10:50 pm »
This DAC was on my short list, but I might be thinking twice about Grant Fidelity.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?htech&1327073472&openflup&1&4#1

brother love

Re: Anybody hear Grant DAC-11 or the other ESS Sabre model???
« Reply #46 on: 5 Mar 2012, 05:21 pm »
Courtesy of "wisnon" from the Cheap & Cheerful "List of DAC's under $450" thread:

StereoMojo gives the Grant Fidelity TubeDAC-11 a "specific recommendation" ...

http://stereomojo.com/Grant%20Audio%20Tube%20DAC11.htm/GrantAudioTubeDAC11.htm

& front cover of StereoMojo New Reviews this week ... Can $325 sound this good?  http://www.stereomojo.com/