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To get some more posts in my favorite circle, here's a C&C cable to consider:
I recently needed a longer 1/8 to RCA to connect to a ipad/phone. I didn't want to spend much and it had to have a slim connector to fit through the phone case. I also needed it quickly meaning my unfinished diy cable project from last year wouldn't cut it. I have had some bad luck with many of the cheaper ones from PE so I looked elsewhere and came across KabelDirekt which cables sells for about $10 on amazon. I was positively surprised when it arrived! It is by no mean anything super fancy, but it's definitely OK for the money.
If you can believe the marketing: 24k gold-plated connectors/ high quality double shielding/ OFC (Oxygen free Copper) inner conductors.
It's tough to find unbiased reviews of it since it looks like they have done a good job talking it up on amazon and other places. Regardless, if you need a cheap extra cable, it's a least worth checking out. I have had mine for a few months now and so far so good. The RCA fits snug and at least to me it looks nicer than other cables in the same price class such as PE's wired home cables. Here's the one I got (10ft version): http://www.amazon.com/KabelDirekt-3-5mm-Stereo-Audio-Cable/dp/B00DI89OM6/ref=sr_1_2?s=audio-video-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1433131489&sr=1-2&keywords=kabeldirekt
Anyone else has any bargain level cables to recommend?
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Looks very sturdy.
A few years ago I bought about 30 metres of a Mogami quad core microphone cable (2893). Been using it since with no plans to upgrade. I think it cost me about $4AUD a metre. Couldn't bring myself to spend more money for less than 10% increase in performance.
time get apple TV and ditch the cable?
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I own KabelDirekt cables and adorn them. A great German product.
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I own KabelDirekt cables and adorn them. A great German product.
Do you offer a 1 ft. version of the RCA cables?
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a friend raved about the KabelDirect RCA interconnects. I listened while he switched out some older Monster with the KD. The KD were much better. So, I bought some. Changed out a very good shielded twisted pair running from my pre to my amp, first. Big improvement. I now own several. I think they are good cables and one hell of a value. Your opinion may vary, but you can try them for little $.
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time get apple TV and ditch the cable?
Well - before I started to visit the AC forum most things in my house was more or less wireless. Now I have amps and preamps without remotes, and run multiple cables back and forth to my wife's "delight". :D
I actually looked into the apple TV a while back, but there was something I was missing at the time (can't remember what), and decided to wait for next generation that never came so I got a chromecast instead.
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Do you offer a 1 ft. version of the RCA cables?
At least on Amazon, the shortest RCA looks to be 3ft.
Mogami quad core microphone cable (2893)
I'd like to try that when I get some more spare time
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http://www.redco.com/Mogami-Quad-Microphone-Cable/
Mogami 2893 $0.82/ft...
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While Mogami makes excellent cables, a Star-Quad mic cable is not what I would chose for an RCA interconnect.
Look for one of their coax cables with a very heavy shield.
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While Mogami makes excellent cables, a Star-Quad mic cable is not what I would chose for an RCA interconnect.
Look for one of their coax cables with a very heavy shield.
I was wondering that myself. I have read that star quad or twisted pair cable is best suited for balanced interconnects, and coax cables are better suited for un-balanced. Is that correct? I have been looking for a good cable for awhile now, but the thinner the better. I want to make (DIY) some short ones 6-12" and some more at 2-3 feet RCA cables. I want a thin flexible cable that is good quality, but still C&C. Should I be looking for a double shield cable, or is single ok? Two conductors plus shield, or 1 conductor plus shield?
Suggestions??
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FWIW, I have been happy with DIY RCA interconnects using Mogami 2549 (two conductor OFC and served shield) Furutech Furutech FP-126 (G) RCA (http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/shopexd.asp?id=1310)
(http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/images/rcamale/FP126G_Z.jpg)
(http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/images/perft/CR2549.jpg)
Using this Viablue 3.5mm plug:
(http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/images/phoneplg/VB35SM_Z.jpg)
you can diy a very serviceable cable of any length...
For C&C already-made RCA interconnects try these: http://www.svideo.com/singlerca.html (http://www.svideo.com/singlerca.html)
6 in. $6.95, 1 ft $7.95, 3 ft $9.95 up to 50 ft...
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/videoware/rca-to-rca-75-ohm-6-inches-4.gif)
made in Japan by Mogami...thin, flexible, good sounding...single 27 awg OFC conductor, coaxial w/ served shield.
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sorry about the big pics...
I have always felt the served shield to be superior to the foil, but YMMV. The Mogami RCA interconnects mentioned above use a coaxial cable with served shield:
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/videoware/technical-specifications-of-our-dual-75-ohm-cable-8.gif)
I used these for years until a friend made me a set with 140/40 guage 5 9s transformer wire strands in a cotton 'shoelace' and no shield. They are the most transparent cables I have ever 'heard'...go figure. Anyhow thats my 2 centime on the subject. Listen more, worry less.
Richard
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Based on this thread, I bought three sets of 1.0m RCAs from Amazon of the KabelDirekt.
They LOOK nice, but only one of the 3 pairs actually passed an audio signal.
Complete and utter garbage. Avoid!
At least it was only a minor $ hit.
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Sorry about the bad experience. The good news is Amazon has a great return policy. Just send them back.
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While Mogami makes excellent cables, a Star-Quad mic cable is not what I would chose for an RCA interconnect.
Look for one of their coax cables with a very heavy shield.
Why not use this for RCA interconnect cable? I've had them make several for me and they pass the signal well, I here no downside and it's nice wire to work with?
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Based on this thread, I bought three sets of 1.0m RCAs from Amazon of the KabelDirekt.
They LOOK nice, but only one of the 3 pairs actually passed an audio signal.
Complete and utter garbage. Avoid!
At least it was only a minor $ hit.
I have no problems with my Kabeldirekt cable but they are sent from them directly so they may even send you new ones without you sending the old ones back.
I really should do the make-your-own cables as suggest by t-head above.
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@gregfisk - many folks use the mogami star quad mic cable with good result...opinions vary greatly on the topic of wire...
@brad - try these: http://www.svideo.com/singlerca.html ($9.95 each for 3 ft or $20 for a pair) or these stereo (duplex) cables: http://www.svideo.com/stereocables.html (16.99 for 3ft) they are single conductor with served shield, thin and flexible.
or hunt around forever...listen more, worry less
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I have no problems with my Kabeldirekt cable but they are sent from them directly so they may even send you new ones without you sending the old ones back.
I really should do the make-your-own cables as suggest by t-head above.
:thumb:
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the only downside with the Japanese made Mogami interconnects is the tendency of the RCA ends will expand a bit with multiple connections and disconnections. If you are among those who are always fiddling with the interconnects, I recommend these RCAs from Neutrik called Pro-Fi: http://www.parts-express.com/neutrik-nf2c-b-2-profi-professional-rca-plug-pair--092-114 or the Furutek mentioned above...
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I recently purchased a pair of these on Amazon:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81Gm6foJ3BL._SY355_.jpg)
They work perfectly and feel plenty sturdy.
Here's the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004YEBK66?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004YEBK66?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01)
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These are the cables I buy from Markertek, they are very reasonable and the rca's are very snug on all my gear. I couldn't happier with them. I use different colors for input and output cables so they are easier to manage. YMMV.
World's Finest Mogami 2534 RCA Male to RCA Male Neglex Quad Audio Cables. Cables are built by Sescom with the highest quality connectors from Neutrik, Connectronics & Switchcraft.
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2549 Mogami's is pretty nice Cable.
Belden 8402 is better Switchcraft RCA's are more than fine.
http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/?p=7325
These wires will surprise you!!
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http://btpa.com/CA-0582.html (http://btpa.com/CA-0582.html) link to Belden 8402...10ft minimum...$3.25/ft
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I have bought some cables from Ram Electronics. Very similar to BJC's but priced better at longer lengths. They use Belden and Mogami wire in many of their products.
http://www.ramelectronics.net/Cables.aspx
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I own KabelDirekt cables and adorn them. A great German product.
These cables where a Huge Frigging Surprise, I wanted a different sound from my rotel 1072 for a while and pulled out my marantz 5005, then was on my back installing, reaching blind in a big box of RCA's next to me for any thing paired together and pull their ha ha( Sorry) "Pro Series 3 footers", maybe a year old from a tiny dvd player install on a portable TV top for the girlfriend. mean while something sticking in my back and I say heck i wanna get up, and , I pulled them apart and stick them in the ha ha " tuner IN" on pre amp.
find i was laying on a hex head screw :oops:, pop in Bruce cockburns "Dancing", it was really nice like right off, the new wire has never played I think, but still nice in a cold mary 5005, which is a unit that likes to heat up.
Sometimes in the first minutes of a new wire burn in, i have noted it sounds "sorta" OK for a short time,
then go's to crunchy, complaining about being invaded by electrons for the next week. it fights back for a while :guns: cause i play hi freq. supertramp breakfast in america
That was 15 hours ago, now these "RCA'S sound even better, very smooth across all octave's for ten bucks, :thumb:
I looked them up, they have mostly a German language site, KableDireckt says they have a tube like sound on amazon, where they sell from, which is way smart, lots of almost free advertising,,,, they remind of some "straight wire" RCA s i heard many years ago that i was told had a "weave conductor" (?) and they sort of do have tube sound, they don't sizzle a lot, but they don't repress at all,
I would recommend them to anyone, waiting to up grade, very very odd, 10 bucks :dunno:
RUBY
PS I gotta wonder if their breaking in whole rolls of this at a time before sending it out for termination, cause at 15 hours now,,,,most stuff i break in gets very dam cranky, almost miserable, especially speaker wire :icon_twisted:, now they sound a little smoother, :scratch:
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THE BIG UP DATE
as above noted, the Kabeldirekt, 3 ft RCA's for ten bucks sounded sort of amazing at first plug in, for just ten bucks.
Then they started to complain rather quickly, or burn in, as I write this, the marantz 505 has been playing a Super Tramp breakfast in America CD for just over 24 hours thru the wire
How does the wire sound, :scratch:
pretty much like a wild prehistoric saber tooth barking aardvark fighting to get out of a barrel, as some one hits the side with a baseball bat and calls its mother names.
Really abysmal,
but some of the best wire i have used went through a real period of raising h3ll with my system before showing it self to be wonderful.
If that same science applies to this wire, Cardas is out of business, cause this stuff is moaning :banghead:
I am hopeful though, I once had a DJ friend who took a job at a country music station and used to find the longest country song to play he could , so he could dash down stairs in the middle of the night to the mens room and get back again before the song was over, they had put a speaker in the mens room so you could hear the station live on air, one time arriving to the bath room, he could hear the record was skipping, he got the job cause some guy fell asleep with the record over spinning in the last groove, about 4 am.
it was a stressful job.
So he calls me one day and says he wants to come by and listen to music, , I say no can do, cause i just spent a weeks pay on some Audio Journey wire and it is breaking in and sounds like h3ll, but i have vodka and coffee liquor, who cares about wire in autumn when there's other things to do.
later he is on my sofa with my girlfriend feeding him and drinking the first of many white Russians, and we are listening to something slow, and this magic point came in breaking in the wire, it got so bad it was nuts, DJ said "that is really weird", then it just went really strange for about 4 mins, and then started to get just a little better, this took twenty mins, we actually were siting there as this wire got over its break in hump, :peek:
will report back on this whole urgent situation soon, it would be a very sweet thing to find a every mans wire for only ten bucks :thumb:
RUBY
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Grace Ruby,
These are a little bit more but they're good.
http://schiit.com/products/pyst-cables
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Grace Ruby,
These are a little bit more but they're good.
http://schiit.com/products/pyst-cables
But the RCA's are only 6 inches long and the XLR's are only 9 inches long.
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The Schiit SuperUltraHyperTechnologycables have pretty impressive specs, it's worth moving your gear closer together so you can use those 6" cables :lol:
Beyond Just Technology: SuperUltraHyperTechnology
PYST cables are made from only the finest 6-nines Unobtanium™ alloy, molecularly assembled in our Alternate Universe™ reality-distortion tesseract field , using a secret geometry reverse-engineered from crashed UFOs, painstakingly smuggled out of Area 51 by deep-cover operatives. Performance is further enhanced by the use of a QuantConnect™ quantum-entangled pair of transmission interfaces, held at absolute zero by our exclusive Stasis Field™ technology. The cables are then wrapped in NanoAeroCap™, a nanotechnology-enabled aerogel anti-capacitance insulation system, featuring Fractal Interleaved Geometry™ to create negative inductance for maximum audio transmission quality.
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Well, I have a pair and they've usurped the place of one $100 set of cables and a $150 pair.
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I have bought some cables from Ram Electronics. Very similar to BJC's but priced better at longer lengths. They use Belden and Mogami wire in many of their products.
http://www.ramelectronics.net/Cables.aspx
My speaker cables are from Ram using Mogami wire, very nice product at a very nice price. Honestly I can here differences in all of the gear I insert into my system but have yet to here any significant difference from cable. Just my experience and of course everyone has there own.
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My speaker cables are from Ram using Mogami wire, very nice product at a very nice price. Honestly I can here differences in all of the gear I insert into my system but have yet to here any significant difference from cable. Just my experience and of course everyone has there own.
+1
That's my findings from "reasonably" priced USB cable and less expensive interconnects.
Did compare two vastly different in design $1,000/pair speaker cables years ago and the difference was obvious. But which was "better"?
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Some great finds here, I may try them out. I'm sure Grace Ruby will keep us updated about the break in results.
Upon occasion I hear profound differences in cables where it's quite easy to tell which is better. In other comparisons it's more of a struggle, e.g. one is smoother, one is more detailed, which is better?
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hi
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Grace Ruby,
These are a little bit more but they're good.
http://schiit.com/products/pyst-cables
Thank you, as I was looking for something space saving for this--
https://www.retroradiofarm.com/collections/frontpage/products/battleship-grey-art-deco-vintage-retro-industrial-age-1951-crosley-model-11-115u-bakelite-tube-radio-works-like-a-charm (https://www.retroradiofarm.com/collections/frontpage/products/battleship-grey-art-deco-vintage-retro-industrial-age-1951-crosley-model-11-115u-bakelite-tube-radio-works-like-a-charm)
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Some great finds here, I may try them out. I'm sure Grace Ruby will keep us updated about the break in results.
Upon occasion I hear profound differences in cables where it's quite easy to tell which is better. In other comparisons it's more of a struggle, e.g. one is smoother, one is more detailed, which is better?
Hi Let It Roll
Is that Handle from the ballad of Frankie Crisp, that gorgeous song from
George Harrison
Let it roll across the floor
Through the hall and out the door
To the fountain of perpetual mirth
Let it roll for all it's worth ...
as to your post i often have the same issue with people, especially women.
but i have gotten better, with at least the wire I mean. :thumb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncxyOBsK6Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncxyOBsK6Y)
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And Now.................................The Big Up update and conclusion to
Kabeldirekt, 3 ft RCA's for ten bucks
So after about 78 hours of continuous playing these RCA's they never sounded again like those first few moments of warm bliss that trumpeted thru my listening room, the kitchen, when first installed.
Its a big kitchen.
For reference, I will not use music from the Andes local folk groups and such, that is not fair to folks
who do not dine their often.
Listening to "Hey Joe" by jimi hendrix (not the you tube film version where he plays with his tongue,)
But a remastered cd version from the album he wore a vest with the big eye on each flap and his drummer looks like bob Dylan, I can not remember what the third guy looked like cause that was the sixty's and I was continually walking in the kitchen and for getting why I went there, at which point my girlfriend would come in and say "what'cha you doing" and i would say- "I don't know"
Near the beginning of the song hey Joe, the drummer (Mitch somebody) would do a roll and while speed drumming whack his sticks together then resume speed drumming more.
these sticks hitting together sort of gets edited out with these RCA's. these RCA's's have a very good place in the world after break in, but not in my system, I think if you have a very bombastic scratchy or way overly brite rig, or listen to a lot of metal you may truly enjoy them, as they do have a effect of smoothing things a large, no huge bit.
I can recommend another inexpensive RCA, and tell you, they do break in and have for 10 bucks the opposite effect, all though they don't help anything, they don't screw it up much either, there called velocity
RCA'S they are not fast or slow and do have some VERY GOOD MID RANGE DETAIL, , bass seems to survive the trip very well, they are thin, but have double shielding, foil wrap and braid so I presume the dielectric is not storing a huge charge and discharging again.
You find them here--
, http://www.cablestogo.com/product/40005/1.5ft-velocity-rca-stereo-audio-cable
I find I prefer double shielded RCA's, hope that helps you in your quest for a good $10 cable
I do want to say, I did this review because i found a dirt cheap set of RCA's in the dirt where we put out trash on Fridays, for jolleys I wiped them down, with a meter checked the rcas for line leaks , shorts and put them on my rig, they sounded wonderfully soft, but tight bass, great mid's and treble that has a very nice elongated decay, tho a almost un hear able glare across the whole spectrum, mostly on cd's that have a almost un hear able glare across the whole spectrum (mostly only during the day Time)
But no wire or anything is perfect, and these have zero listening fatigue, they will ,,,( who ever made them) stay a while.
please enjoy this very wonderful artical I found and attached here on wire written for normal folks and with a great sense of humor, this fella has a lot of heart, truly nice writing style.
http://www.recordingmag.com/resources/resourceDetail/223.html (http://www.recordingmag.com/resources/resourceDetail/223.html)
this will be my last (was first too) cable review. thank you to those who helped, so many i can't name.
it would be illegal also to expose there true identities too.
RUBY
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OK folks, April Fools Day is over, lets pick up all the cans and butts and dust off and go home.
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Hi Let It Roll
Is that Handle from the ballad of Frankie Crisp, that gorgeous song from
George Harrison
Let it roll across the floor
Through the hall and out the door
To the fountain of perpetual mirth
Let it roll for all it's worth ...
as to your post i often have the same issue with people, especially women.
but i have gotten better, with at least the wire I mean. :thumb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncxyOBsK6Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncxyOBsK6Y)
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Nope, "Let it Roll" from Little Feat. (Ladies and gentlemen, Atlanta's finest...Little Feat!)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IyRNKleyyg
One of the greatest rock and roll songs and an visceral video to boot.
Back in the day I had a tricked out '98 Olds Aurora that won third place in class at GM Nationals and I was on an Aurora club forum, the handle seemed to fit (rollin' down highway 95, cruzin' through my hometown countryside...). Then when I migrated to the golf forums it still fit, and then it still worked on the audio forums, despite the Olds being long gone.
Your findings with your C&C cable are consistent with my findings with all of these type of cables all the way up through the Monster Cable brands. Veiled across the board and muted at the frequency extremes. Makes for a pleasant if uninvolved experience. Thanks for the insight.
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Mogami 49's VS kableDirectk VS Velocity RCA'S
I wanted more closure on this thread because I know so many folks are really looking for a deal from the get go in a world full of junk RCA's that ends up in the closet.
And I have to give great thanks to a member here who took a old dog me, and showed him a whole new world of tricks to judge music reproduction, and that is the good Mr. Dawkins
, who taught me words like "Eloquence" and " With Out Strain" and also had the guts to keep me company right after my home invasion almost a year ago that left me a total mess.
Somebody here needs to interview this man deep long and with color, cause for the very reason he is such a wonder at music consideration, he is also rather humble in his posts, Thank You Mr. Dawkins :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Knee Jerk education blindness trigger warning, Although everything else is modded or ripped out, I have bass and treble tone controls, would not be caught with out them, who wants to chase the perfect wire for ever and the 14 CD's it onlys sound tonally perfect with. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
It is a world of tears for me that digital is such a fussy bitch and cash eating shark to get right, healing and with zero listeners fatigue.
Plus We are h3ll bent for a fools errand to find a real low cost wire review we can depend on cause so many irrelevant ADD's chime in on what they have connected their ""furniture "" together with,,,,,, just to see their stuff in print.
And it is truly a heart break to me to see folks suffer so much experimentation to get what any sansui amp and a turn table would give you for way less dollars 30 years ago, --bliss.
perfect detail be damned, they don't call it cheap and cheerful for nothing.
So we never get to "'''What did it sound like""""" :wtf: in a review for the least costly stuff that might be worth our time..
Now this thread started as a joke sort of, but i came across a sort of small treasure in the process.
My wire collection includes -Cardas, Vampire (Sic), cord, wireworld, weaves, and others Etc.
To the pith of it, after all this experimentation, I found a wire for my Rotel 1072 (1092?)and Marantz cd player that is not gonna move soon-
For more then only 20 bucks :cyclops:
I had this "Velocity pair of RCA's" that got put on the marantz 5005, a glorious machine for 400.00 bucks.
Simply put I have nothing to out do them in replacement, for less then maybe 150 bucks.
The ease with which they detail lower mid range is a holy event for only 20.00 bucks, I have a amp stereophile said had some of the tightest bass in the world, AND this is bass with tone, color and texture, and for 20 bucks it is a miracle what these Velocity RCA's do with it,,,,,,, so dam effortlessly it is hypnotic.
But again i am not stranded with out tone controls.
The mid mid's have a great detail and bloom into the room, with GREAT COLOR but is a soft water like pluck of your ear, not harsh or fatiguing.
The high range roll off is completely tight and with out edit, and then a invisible background.
For a wire thats only 20 bucks.
All the ads for this stuff say the same thing over and over from site to web site, "Great Sound , Period".
I will include a picture here,,,,,,,,, as who knows when this stuff will disappear and reappear as something else.
I took the mogami 2549 and cut the termination ends off and saved , cause they where very good ends, the newer mogami ( I am told is much better, way better) may be much better, do try it, but i threw this wire in the trash.
As I did as well with the Kable Direck.
I could have sold it, but i believe in the most self correcting social system in the world -karma
I do not work for these folks and I have no idea where it comes from, but for twenty bucks do try it, not cause it out shines the new wire world stuff, cause it does not, but it does sing so generously, effortlessly,
Eloquently,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you can go to sleep now, this is a small grace, a better wire can wait.
Thank you Mr. Dawkins, I am feeling much safer, better :wine:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=160639)
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So I had this problem with hum on my turntable circuit, constant not variable, turned out to be a loose connection. Before finding the connection problem I went looking for some shielded cables in those boxes full of cables we all have and had to settle on some cables from Monster, M550i is the imprint, I seem to remember they were $50, bought for a subwoofer. I figured if the shielded cable worked I could get something better later. But dang, I really liked these guys. Great bass line, taunt and impactful, not mushy at all, lush mids, pleasant highs, no harshness. Soundstage is a little narrower, but very clear with nicely delineated images within that window. I'm sure I'll find something lacking with further listening, but initially a pleasant surprise that has me happy to eat a little crow about my statements about Monster products.
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So I had this problem with hum on my turntable circuit, constant not variable, turned out to be a loose connection. Before finding the connection problem I went looking for some shielded cables in those boxes full of cables we all have and had to settle on some cables from Monster, M550i is the imprint, I seem to remember they were $50, bought for a subwoofer. I figured if the shielded cable worked I could get something better later. But dang, I really liked these guys. Great bass line, taunt and impactful, not mushy at all, lush mids, pleasant highs, no harshness. Soundstage is a little narrower, but very clear with nicely delineated images within that window. I'm sure I'll find something lacking with further listening, but initially a pleasant surprise that has me happy to eat a little crow about my statements about Monster products.
Nothing wrong with the 550i's. I bought a pair of them and a pair of m1000i's used for $30pr many years ago. They sound fine and better than my BJC's. The problem with them is that they were overpriced when bought new. I have since moved on from them in my main system for XLR's and use them in a small bedroom system.
I also own a pair of Monster Z4 10' speaker cables. They sound great. Picked them up years ago, used for $120. They sold fore $550 new. Thick as garden hoses.
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So I ordered me a pair of those Velocity RCA's and I received them today.
I've only listened to them for an hour and compared them to my 6" Psyt cables connecting both of them between my DAC and Odyssey pre-amp. My preliminary finding is that they do bass somewhat better - especially on something like Muddy Waters' bass heavy Folk Singer album. A bit more recessed and veiled than the Psyt - which I like much better on piano.
Found them on fleabay for $13 shipped from this Hill Electronics in Dayton OH. Took 6 days to get to me in Utah.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/302143353337
Recommended.
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I switched out these Velocity RCA's with my ($100 broken-in) Morrow MA 1.1's between my cheap Sony CD player and my Tempest pre > RAAL Philharmonitors.
No contest - the Morrow's (looks like someone here bought the used $40 pair in the Trading Circle) blow them away. Everything sounds better from top to bottom - fuller and more clear.
But, hey for $13 and you have a C&C system for non-super-critical listening, the Velocitys will do.
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I switched out these Velocity RCA's with my ($100 broken-in) Morrow MA 1.1's between my cheap Sony CD player and my Tempest pre > RAAL Philharmonitors.
No contest - the Morrow's (looks like someone here bought the used $40 pair in the Trading Circle) blow them away. Everything sounds better from top to bottom - fuller and more clear.
But, hey for $13 and you have a C&C system for non-super-critical listening, the Velocitys will do.
If you want to blow the Morrows away, try the 150 dollar Burson Cable+. 30 day trial if not happy. From Australia.
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Tried the Morrow MA 1 (he gave them to a friend as we walked through Axpona last year) in a comparison of cheaper I.C.'s and not impressed with build quality or the sonics.
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If you want to blow the Morrows away, try the 150 dollar Burson Cable+. 30 day trial if not happy. From Australia.
My findings on the Burson Cable+ RCA to RCA iteration (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=149349.0), not my cup of tea indeed
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My findings on the Burson Cable+ RCA to RCA iteration (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=149349.0), not my cup of tea indeed
Worked perfectly for me, most detail and clarity I have ever heard on IC's under $600. I even bought a second cable, never shipping it back.
I think yours was showing the weakness of the Jolida. Jolida digital products are harsh sounding.
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Unfortunately I run mono-blocks which are too far apart to accommodate the 20 cm cable length downstream from the magic box. (Why can't they reverse the cable lengths for mono-blocks or active speakers?)
OTOH I recently auditioned the iFi iTube 2 and found no improvement using it as a buffer (and a degradation using it as a preamp) so not sure if the Burson Cable + would hold any advantage in my current system.
Love their bemoaning of cable snake oil, but they're very light on providing an explanation as to why their magic box would help (beyond being some sort of impedance buffer).
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Unfortunately I run mono-blocks which are too far apart to accommodate the 20 cm cable length downstream from the magic box. (Why can't they reverse the cable lengths for mono-blocks or active speakers?)
OTOH I recently auditioned the iFi iTube 2 and found no improvement using it as a buffer (and a degradation using it as a preamp) so not sure if the Burson Cable + would hold any advantage in my current system.
Love their bemoaning of cable snake oil, but they're very light on providing an explanation as to why their magic box would help (beyond being some sort of impedance buffer).
I was skeptic also when I saw the cable, but the improvement was huge, bigger than the Itube2. In less than 30 seconds, I knew this was the best I have ever heard.
My buddy Rex also bought one and he says it is perfect with the Omegas. Rex has owned 3-4 times more cables than I have.
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I forgot, a friend messaged Burson a week ago, and Burson will make custom longer runs.
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djbnh - I liked reading your review. I did one myself a while ago as well (posted in the same cable review circle you posted it in). It's interesting to see how it works in different systems. We probably should merge the review threads...
OzarkTom - What's the system you're using it in?
JLM - I'm still liking the Burson cable alot and especially how it improves the dynamics and cleaning up the low-end, but as you found out with the ifi buffer, it works better in some systems than others. When it is a good match, it works wonderfully. I suggested to them that it would be good with an option to allow more flexibility of lengths and connections as well. I would like to be able to easily swap out cables.
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BTW: $150 is not too expensive for something audio, but it's neither bargain level C&C cables either :D
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If you're into DIY:
Buy a couple of feet of the Zenwave 24 gauge UPOCC wire ($1.27 per ft) and make your own.
http://www.zenwaveaudio.com/product/neotech-24-gauge-upocc-copperteflon-solid-core/
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I bought a pair of Belden 8402 XLR's for about $60pr and they sound better than my Cardas Parsec XLR's and Audioquest Columbia's. They are clear, detailed and neutral without sibilants like my Blue Jean Cables. They are a true bargain. Of course, you mileage may vary as cables are system dependent.
The RCA 8402's run about $23 each for 3'.
https://btpa.com/IC8402-XX.html
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Worked perfectly for me, most detail and clarity I have ever heard on IC's under $600. I even bought a second cable, never shipping it back.
I think yours was showing the weakness of the Jolida. Jolida digital products are harsh sounding.
Not sure I follow your logic, or if you closely read my review, as my regular ICs didn't present any of the Burson Cable+ issues. Nor did a pair of Groneberg ICs that I used subsequent to the review have problems. Nor does my Jolida cpd as configured show harshness. Nor does your calling all Jolida digital products harsh explain the collapsed sound stage, lack of detail, and other issues the Burson product elicited in my system. Nor does it explain how I heard the same issues, post-review, when I put the Burson Cable+ on an older Sony cd player in my system.
Happy objective listening, to all. YMMV
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If you're into DIY:
Buy a couple of feet . . . . . . . . . . . and make your own.
You can't DIY an RCA coax or XLR Shielded Twisted Pair (STP) cable, as the major bulk cable manufactures.
But for a 2 foot cable, it won't matter.
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Yes, it is great that there are many good C&C options fitting many different type of set-ups.
BTW: Thanks everyone for sharing their recommendations!
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I'd pick up some Belen 1694a or 1505a and solder (or crimp, ugh) on your choice of rca connectors (Dayton, neutrik, rean or much more fancy/expensive ones If you'd like)
Bulk cables in reasonable lengths are available on eBay or rawcable.com
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oops
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I haven't heard that brand, but I gotta get me some of those "oops" cables. :lol:
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REAL BAD NEWS FOR MOGAMI i 49'S and the whole music industry
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I wrote this thread because the home music industry has de evolved into such a night mare for the average Joe to get to real music, that i might, I thought find a good deal on a low cost wire that saves money to be used to get that 500.00 CD player, which seems about what it takes these days, although, after a not less then 90 minute warm up, on my marantz 6005, it is most enjoyable, off the 65 lossless CD's recorded to a flash drive stuck in its face.
I was sure from the get go it would be MOGAMI as a "best deal"", But as some have noted, cry as we might, the Velocity actually has bass with out a loss of mid range punch and bloom followed by a somewhat smooth treble send off and decay.
For only 20 bucks.
I have cut and saved the RCA's off way way more costly wire and trashed it.
O the Velocity,,,,I have cut off the junk plastic filled rca's and put on audio quest and gotten a real very nice performance from this wire, including the impossible to find "more bass warmth" with out more bass wobble. they were very easy to to terminate, I do hear a huge difference in wires, and can not strongly enough recommend the velocity rca's cables, if you use better rca ends,,, before buying any other 200.00 wire.
you can better secure the new ends with teflon shrink wrap and a hair dryer
I am using a analog digital driven separate power amp which stereophile raved about its analog and tight bass sound., and in the case of the marantz cd player, I am using a Cardas power cord with great results,,,so your results may very.
the cardas power cord sounds awful on my rotel BTW.
As it turns out, or so a ex employee of velocity said in a forum post,,,,, the velocity wire was made by a speaker company, there is also a ofc SILVER COATED version, tho fast disappearing and i have zero idea how it sounds.
MOGAMI IN THE HANDS OF FOOLS
I spent about 250.00 bucks buying all this discount wire in search of a GEM. As said above, I cut some very nice RCA's off some of this junk and trashed the wire.
The mogami 49 is sold in rolls to music studio equipment suppliers, they terminate it and sell at order custom.
They all use not so shabby RCA's terminations.
As I cut off and saved these plugs, which i had bought from about 4 different sellers, I took note of a horrifying thing.
These different sellers were all using different ways to put the dam plugs on.
mogami has 2 ofc center wires, a dam fancy OFC shield etc.
some sellers were connecting both inner wires to male to male, shield to ground.
others were not connecting one inner wire to anything, other inner wire to male to male, shield to ground.
one seller, a big seller, was connecting both inner wires on one side, only one at the other end and shield to ground.
two companys were connecting both inner wires male to male, shield to ground, this wire was awful, these inner wires are both like 22 awg, in short it was "Monster Thick" interconnect and it sounded like real shick.
THIS MISS MATCH OF CRAP IS IN STUDIOS ALL OVER THE WORLD MAKING CD'S SOUND EVEN WORSE.
I hung for a while in the studio producers forums to do this search, all I can say is go to GEARSLUTZS and see for your self.
MOGAMI needs to clean up its policing of the people who term their wire and resell, you got about 3 different sounding wires out there
epilogue, the Velocity interconnect (not Coax, that has bass issues) with good RCA's put on, is a hell of a great deal, warm, bass, big mid range bloom, smooth roll off, about $35.00 bucks re terminated.
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ERRATA
As it turns out, when I cut off the cheap RCA terminations on the "Velocity" cables, I dug straight in the plugs and un soldered them where they were soldiered on the old plugs, I E i did not cut into the wires and inspect,
A friend wanted a Velocity pair re terminated, I got lazy and just chopped off the plugs, GUESS WHAT??? this cable is tinned OFC.
But something is off a bit, I am way familiar with tinned OFC, it has a grey shine to it that is unmistakable.
This velocity tinned wire how ever has a brite silver white shine, this wire must have a very high silver content solder, it is not grey tin !!!
How could that happen, will as it turns out velocity is part of a huge industrial company that sells many pure silver RCA's, silver OFC coated RCA's and one coax that is "Iron Core" HEAVY OFC coated and then coated again with silver-I think the mother company is called "Le Grand" or something close to that.
They have a pure silver 12 ft RCA they only want a thousand bucks for.
ONE IS BORN EVERY MINUTE- P. T . Barnum
It still remains, the Velocity 3 FT on a CD player is one of the best wires I have heard For the price. I do not think it does well between a pre and a power amp I think it is not hefty enough, for ten bucks what can you lose, but do re terminate, and only use for tuners, cd players, not between pre and power amp.
for the same reason it hugs a cd player, it is too thin for a pre amp.
AWG effects sound too.
I am still using this cable, on my rotel 1072 and Marantz 6005 , it has a nice balance. no shrieking thank god, but colors still flow thru the mids, bass is tight.
I may make a Velocity shielded double or triple coax per channel version just to see how it sounds, the single coax has issues by itself, at least on my rig. I will do anything to steer clear of the insane price ranges seller folks would have me pay for a almost never more then $65.00 whole sale cost "Audiophile" RCA wire,
Though i recognize the beauty of many Hi Tech wires.
GRACE RUBY