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Title: CDP-8/9
Post by: Nidri17 on 15 Aug 2017, 05:48 pm
@rustydoglim,

Any news on the CD Players? Has an ETA been determined yet? CDP-8 would go nicely with my DAC-9..

Thanks.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 15 Sep 2017, 04:25 pm
Here's the product manual:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yaetqcwfvqvkgsw/CDP-9%20Manual.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yaetqcwfvqvkgsw/CDP-9%20Manual.pdf?dl=0)

CDP-9 MSRP $1695, shipping September 25 from factory, so if you place your order with dealer, we can drop ship directly to you.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 15 Sep 2017, 04:27 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168512)
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 15 Sep 2017, 04:28 pm
The CDT-8 (CD Transport) is a pure transport and will be priced at $695 with coaxial and optical outputs.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: Nidri17 on 15 Sep 2017, 06:53 pm
 :D

Great news! Thank you for the update.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 25 Sep 2017, 05:34 pm
The CDT-8 (CD Transport) is a pure transport and will be priced at $695 with coaxial and optical outputs.

Hi,

Is there any plan the CDP8 will have a AES output? Unfortunately,  all digital inputs of my DAC 9 are busy but AES...

What are the performances of CDP9 against DAC 9 regarding the DAC and preamp functions? Thanks.

Best regards.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 26 Sep 2017, 10:56 pm
I would say the DAC inside CDP-9 is closer to DAC-10 in sound characteristic and overall performance.
I will check with engineering about the AES output for CDT-8.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 26 Sep 2017, 11:49 pm
I would say the DAC inside CDP-9 is closer to DAC-10 in sound characteristic and overall performance.
I will check with engineering about the AES output for CDT-8.

Thanks for that. I do think many users would look for an AES/EBU output for a CD transport.
 I read on a russian website that the CDP9 use a ES9028 DAC chip? Is that true?

No matter the cost: is the CDP 9 an upgrade (regarding DAC and preamp function) comparing to DAC-9? I mean: should I get a CDP-9 to replace my DAC-9 or planning to get a CDT8 as transport for my DAC-9? Thanks.

Best regards.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 27 Sep 2017, 10:53 pm
If you have DAC-9, wait for the CDT-9, unless you want to try different sound.
Before we go into the debate about DAC chips, I will state that the leading DAC chips from AKM and ESS have advanced so much that it is now just a matter of preference.  We experimented with various newer ESS chips (variants of 9028 and 9038) and find that they make little difference in sound. IDA-32 was planning to use 9038 but didn't sound as pleasing as 9028 so we went with 9028.  We could have used 9018 but then customers wanted the newer chip so fortunately 9028 sounded just as good as 9018.

Now with the back story out of the way, CDP-9 uses ESS9028.  ESS chips are more neutral than AKM that DAC-9 used.
On the website there is an FAQ about preamp and power supply now becoming the dominant factor in high end DAC performance.
CDP-9 over performance is closer to DAC-10 than DAC-9. 
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 27 Sep 2017, 11:41 pm
On the website there is an FAQ about preamp and power supply now becoming the dominant factor in high end DAC performance.
CDP-9 over performance is closer to DAC-10 than DAC-9.

Thanks for all your answer. I'll wait the release of both CDP9 and CDT8 and going to try different setup, see what I prefer in terms of signature.

Speaking of power supply: it looks like the CDP9 don't have an IEC input. Does it mean this will come with separate PSU? Or maybe you plan to sell a "PSU-9" as an upgrade?
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: mresseguie on 28 Sep 2017, 02:00 pm
If you have DAC-9, wait for the CDT-9, unless you want to try different sound.
Before we go into the debate about DAC chips, I will state that the leading DAC chips from AKM and ESS have advanced so much that it is now just a matter of preference.  We experimented with various newer ESS chips (variants of 9028 and 9038) and find that they make little difference in sound. IDA-32 was planning to use 9038 but didn't sound as pleasing as 9028 so we went with 9028.  We could have used 9018 but then customers wanted the newer chip so fortunately 9028 sounded just as good as 9018.

Now with the back story out of the way, CDP-9 uses ESS9028.  ESS chips are more neutral than AKM that DAC-9 used.
On the website there is an FAQ about preamp and power supply now becoming the dominant factor in high end DAC performance.
CDP-9 over performance is closer to DAC-10 than DAC-9.

IDA-32!?!?

 :hyper: :idea: :thumb:

Any more information available about this? Hoped for release dates?

Regards,

Michael
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 30 Sep 2017, 10:49 pm
The CDP* use external power supply. You can possibly get your own power supply as long as it meets the spec. But we have no plan to sell a power supply separately for CDP*.  For custom accessories, we will make them available on www.nuoem.com
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 2 Oct 2017, 09:11 pm
The CDP* use external power supply. You can possibly get your own power supply as long as it meets the spec. But we have no plan to sell a power supply separately for CDP*.  For custom accessories, we will make them available on www.nuoem.com

Sounds promising. I think I'm sold for the CDP-9, despite the huge price bump. Two last things:

- Any picture of the inside?
- Any date for release in EU?

Thanks for all.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: pawsman on 5 Oct 2017, 03:30 pm
Jason,
Since the CDP-9 is a constant speed player, does it run the signal into a buffer?
I'm committed to the physical Redbook CD format, so the CDP-9 might be the ultimate
player for me. I'm definitely interested-

pawsman
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 5 Oct 2017, 08:19 pm
There is a buffer.  I am not allowed to explain, but I can tell you that CDP-9 is comparable to high end CDPs that are currently selling for more than 2X the price, without even including the full featured DAC.
Distributors throughout Europe have placed (or are placing their orders) since CDP-9 just come out of production a few days ago.
You can find your country's distributor contact from the website, email or call them.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: pawsman on 6 Oct 2017, 12:22 am
Jason,
Thanks, I've found a dealer who carries it. I've not seen any other CD player/DAC/preamp quite like it, you can even
connect a Blu-ray player via Digital Coax and use it as a stand-alone DAC, or use it as a DAC for a computer audio system
via USB port. My main interest is for Redbook CD playback which it would seem to excel at. A very versatile piece-

pawsman
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 6 Oct 2017, 11:26 am
There is a buffer.  I am not allowed to explain, but I can tell you that CDP-9 is comparable to high end CDPs that are currently selling for more than 2X the price, without even including the full featured DAC.
Distributors throughout Europe have placed (or are placing their orders) since CDP-9 just come out of production a few days ago.
You can find your country's distributor contact from the website, email or call them.

I just mailed my supplier in France. The release is planned for 10/09.

By the way this Ad is not correct (About the bottom, wrong pictures of the other 9 units):

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169411)
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 8 Oct 2017, 09:36 am
Thanks for pointing out the error, I didn't check closely and my marketing manager made this mistake twice! Sigh. :duh:
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 15 Oct 2017, 03:47 pm
No worries.

The silver version is listed here in France but not in stock yet.

May I ask again: any pictures of the inside? Thanks.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 15 Oct 2017, 05:05 pm
No worries.

The silver version is listed here in France but not in stock yet.

May I ask again: any pictures of the inside? Thanks.

+1 insideporn!  :lol:
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 16 Oct 2017, 10:44 am
I am also waiting for the factory to get me some photos.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 21 Oct 2017, 09:34 am
I saw this today (from the "Son et Image" Show, in Paris)

https://youtu.be/uiNnQN_aPj8
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 23 Oct 2017, 08:44 pm
I just listened to the production CDP-9 for the first time, with the sampling rate converter.  It is very interesting that I can hear the difference with the change of each sampling rate (the highest sampling rate is too smooth for my liking, may be at night during bed time).

Because of this neat feature, we decided to add it to CDT-8.
CDT-8 is the CD transport (but an extremely accurate one) with digital output only, but now you can convert CD to any sampling rate, including DSD 256 (CDP-9 can convert to DSD512).
Of course the original source is still CD format, so if the details is not there in the first place, you are not going to hear more stuff.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: giordy60 on 24 Oct 2017, 07:48 pm
a question: why i2s connection is output?
electronics as the cdp 9 should having input
 :scratch:

(https://i.imgur.com/uOtIPCI.png)
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 25 Oct 2017, 02:10 am
All standard CDP or DAC has digital output such as optical and coaxial.

CDP-9 has a special i2S output for other future NuPrime devices to achieve maximum performance.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: Eduardo AAVM on 30 Oct 2017, 12:35 am
I just listened to the production CDP-9 for the first time, with the sampling rate converter.  It is very interesting that I can hear the difference with the change of each sampling rate (the highest sampling rate is too smooth for my liking, may be at night during bed time).

Because of this neat feature, we decided to add it to CDT-8.
CDT-8 is the CD transport (but an extremely accurate one) with digital output only, but now you can convert CD to any sampling rate, including DSD 256 (CDP-9 can convert to DSD512).
Of course the original source is still CD format, so if the details is not there in the first place, you are not going to hear more stuff.

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Yes normally I had the same experience while selecting different samling rates with Cary's players.

Excellent decission it adds a nice playfull or "toyness" characteristic to CDP-8
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: pawsman on 31 Oct 2017, 11:31 am
Just got the CDP-9 in yesterday, took it for a spin with some of my Reference CDs last night. Also played some CDs I had pulled out
ahead of time that had grainy, glarey upper midrange/highs to see if the upsampling would alleviate this. In a word, I'm impressed.
I listen almost exclusively to Classical orchestral music and solo piano. With straight PCM (44k, 16 bit, upsampling off) the player sounded
very good; natural extended highs, very good dynamics (I was a little worried with the small outboard power supply; not to worry) and a nice
spacious soundstage. I found that solo piano music sounds best with no upsampling; I prefer the sharper, well defined sound of 44k PCM.
I have the new Tekton Impact Monitors, it's a  good match with the Nuprime and my Class D amplifier. The Remote is aluminum, feels very solid.
More detailed report after it settles in. My next upgrade is the Amplifier; when are the ST-11 Monoblocs due?
BTW, I purchased the CDP-9 from Jay at Audio Revelation, very nice guy to deal with-

pawsman
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: Tom Davis on 31 Oct 2017, 05:56 pm
Is there a release date for the CT-8 transport?

Thank you in advance.

Tom
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 31 Oct 2017, 07:20 pm
pawsman,
Since CDP-9 is new, and we love to get a blog post review (about a page with photo) from you, and will reward you with free gift (streaming receiver WR-100D for example). Just in case some users misunderstand, I want to emphasise that we never claim that up sampling add more info to the music, but it can be interesting and add smoothness to some music, especially at night with low volume. So your quick comment is spot on. 

Tom,
CDT-8 is scheduled for late December. We decided to add the sampling rate converter (SRC) to CDT-8 after having fun with the SRC in CDP-9.

Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 4 Nov 2017, 01:07 pm
Hum...

The silver CDP-9 doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere. I also cannot find any pic of it. Is the silver version already exists or it will be released later? Any picture of this one (or the inside of CDP-9 in general)? :wink:

Thanks.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 4 Nov 2017, 03:44 pm
I purchased one unit today (black)   to complete my second sound-pile with STA-9 and HPA-9 (uDSD) .. , hope it arrive @ my home next week.
anyway, I don't have much compact discs (in order a double of hundred)  but upsampling specs  tempted me to recover some old stuff!!!

first pile: Auralic Aries Femto  -- HAND MADE USB CABLE modded with  EMI and ESD filter circuit  --> DAC-10H --> ST-10 --> System Audio Mantra 5 Speakers.
second pile : variable source (*) -- HAND MADE USB CABLE modded with  EMI and ESD filter circuit -- > CDP-9 --> HPA-9 --> STA-9 --> Quad S2 Speakers

(*) the second pile is the system where I do some test with audio data streaming ( simulation and virtualisation)  and  pre-audit my  USB  cables  :) 


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=170753)

in the two systems I also listen music with modded beyerdinamics  'spirit labs' creations  Monoblock  headphones ..

Nuprime is the future of my listen music pleasure   :)



 
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 4 Nov 2017, 03:56 pm
.. sorry doubled post. removed!
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 5 Nov 2017, 10:10 pm
Hum...

The silver CDP-9 doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere. I also cannot find any pic of it. Is the silver version already exists or it will be released later? Any picture of this one (or the inside of CDP-9 in general)? :wink:

Thanks.

YES, silver is in stocks.
When we hired the photographer to take photo for CDP-9 late September, we only have black color. 
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 5 Nov 2017, 10:20 pm
@slash71 - I will love to have you write a blog post (similar to those that we published on the website written by other members here) about your two systems.   You will be rewarded with free gift :)

I think this kind of authentic article is what we need to introduce high-end audio to new generation of consumers. NuPrime is affordable but compete with many other gadgets (who doesn't have a drawer full of smart phones and tablets). With very few high end dealers around, consumers new to this hobby will have to rely on word-of-mouth.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 6 Nov 2017, 02:57 pm
@slash71 - I will love to have you write a blog post (similar to those that we published on the website written by other members here) about your two systems.   You will be rewarded with free gift :)

I think this kind of authentic article is what we need to introduce high-end audio to new generation of consumers. NuPrime is affordable but compete with many other gadgets (who doesn't have a drawer full of smart phones and tablets). With very few high end dealers around, consumers new to this hobby will have to rely on word-of-mouth.

ok Rusty, I'll try to describe my two systems in a post ,  and also what bring my decision to follow Nuprime " identity "  8)..

enrico
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 10 Nov 2017, 04:15 pm
YES, silver is in stocks.
When we hired the photographer to take photo for CDP-9 late September, we only have black color.

Here he is!

https://www.homecinesolutions.fr/p/17088-nuprime-cdp-9-argent
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 10 Nov 2017, 04:22 pm
They got the outdated spec.
The highest sampling rate is DSD512 and PCM768 on the production CDP-9.  Oh well, who cares about the extreme sampling rate :)
I will inform distributors to update their spec.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: pawsman on 10 Nov 2017, 05:17 pm
Jason,
I believe Audio Advisor got the maximum upsampling rate incorrect also (384k PCM & 256 DSD) on their site-

pawsman
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 10 Nov 2017, 05:43 pm
It is our fault, we decided to increase the performance from prototype to production. So everyone got the wrong info. And then they forgot to update  their website.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 10 Nov 2017, 06:34 pm

reading technical data sheet to understand  that  384k PCM & 256 DSD are input rates  and 768PCM/512DSD is the upsampling digital output capability.

  I'm wrong ?
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 10 Nov 2017, 06:54 pm
the outsider !

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171159)

CDP9 arrived today , I'm playing some music and relaxing ..

amazing!
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 13 Nov 2017, 06:55 pm
reading technical data sheet to understand  that  384k PCM & 256 DSD are input rates  and 768PCM/512DSD is the upsampling digital output capability.

  I'm wrong ?

No. USB audio is able to handle DSD512 but I don't know of any music in that format (don't bother with upsampled files that are so huge, CDP-9 internal SRC can do the conversion in real time and save you all the storage).
Coaxial and optical have physical limitation to lower rate as stated on the spec.

Practically most of the original music are available in 44.1kHz, a lot have been upsampled. There are good recordings in higher format but most are in 96kHz  and some 192kHz. CDP-9 and the internal full-featured DAC allows you to play with the sampling rate without the need to convert your files.

This will be interesting - if you find some of your downloaded music sound the best with a specific sampling rate, you can then convert the file and always play at this rate. CDP-9 allows you to experimenting with the effect on-the-fly. 
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: slash71 on 13 Nov 2017, 07:03 pm
Right , thanks for full explanations ..
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 16 Nov 2017, 01:24 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171408)

Just got my CDP-9 yesterday. For now, I'm a bit confused. What can I say is this sounds REALLY different from the DAC-9.

Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: JackD on 16 Nov 2017, 01:30 am
Isn't it a different DAC chip company? ESS 9028 vs AKM 4490.  As Jason stated earlier the CDP would sound more like the DAC-10 which is also ESS chip based. 
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 16 Nov 2017, 06:37 am
Isn't it a different DAC chip company? ESS 9028 vs AKM 4490.  As Jason stated earlier the CDP would sound more like the DAC-10 which is also ESS chip based.

Right, I knew that. As I own many units using both AKM and Sabre, it depends about tweaks compagnies made and sometimes both can sounds not so different depending of the filters/amp/preamp parts. That being said,  I didn't expect a so radical change in signature. People saying "all DAC sound the same" are wrong. This is an evident proof.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: RafaPolit on 16 Nov 2017, 05:03 pm
I assume a break in period is required for a final comparison to be fair, but I'm interested in your subjective opinions as to the differences?  Is one more bright or warm than the other? Is one more detailed or higher-res than the other?  Do you have a personal preference from one to the other? (I understand this is all subjective, but I'm interested in your findings!)

Thanks,
Rafa.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 16 Nov 2017, 08:38 pm
I assume a break in period is required for a final comparison to be fair, but I'm interested in your subjective opinions as to the differences?  Is one more bright or warm than the other? Is one more detailed or higher-res than the other?  Do you have a personal preference from one to the other? (I understand this is all subjective, but I'm interested in your findings!)

Thanks,
Rafa.

I will answer to all these.

First, while I believe in burn-in regarding headphones and speakers, I am more sceptical about electronics. From my personal experience, I never noticed any audible (or measurable) difference during the break in process. My opinion, for what it worth..People simply get use to a specific sound and believe this one has changed after a period.

That's being said,

About CDP-9 vs DAC-9 (both paired with double mono STA-9s, XLR connection, speakers: MA Silver 10s, files: 16b/44 WAV or 24b/88/96 or CD)

CDP-9: Overall has a flat sound, I haven't noticed some kind of emphasis on any part of the spectrum. I guess it's close to neutral. Doesn't have the typical Sabre signature, not specifically bright, cold or analytical. More rearward and narrow soundstage. Imaging is more precise and focused. More air between instruments but sounds a bit "empty" and thin for these reasons. Bass and low mids are better textured. Highs are maybe a bit roll off and smoother. Overall,  I would say it is accurate but a bit "boring" in the other hand.

DAC-9: Definitely warmer. Wider and more forward soundstage. Fuller, more organic presentation. More impact and deepness in low frequencies. Faster and stronger midbass.  Sounds thicker. A bit more like a V shaped signature overall. Lot of punch, yet still enough refined depending of the style of music. Remind me the Cayin house sound. As far I'm concerned, I prefer this kind of signature but this is clearly not neutral.

At the same level of volume, DAC-9 is no contest louder. However I prefer to have a margin for precise volume adjustment.

Conclusion: I prefer the signature of the DAC-9. I will return the CDP-9 and wait fir the release of CDT-8 (hope this one will have an AES out) or another CD transport.

A word about the headphone amp:, overall neutral and very good. Enough power to drive my K712 Pro fine. I doubt this will have enough juice for very low sensitivity headphones.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: RafaPolit on 17 Nov 2017, 03:26 am
Interesting read, Vintage, thanks for all that insight and personal take on this issue. 

Having only heard the DAC-10 (and now briefly the uDSD) from NuPrime, I was interested in how the 'other' chip sounds!  The DAC-9's departure from ESS always intrigued me, and its 'warmth' was something I debated with myself if I would like or dislike the 'coloring' of the sound.  In the end I went with the (reportedly) more 'neutral' DAC-10, but always had the 'what if' question.

Nice to read someone that prefers that rendering of sound.   What music do you mostly listen to?

Best regards,
Rafa.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 17 Nov 2017, 06:46 am
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Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 24 Nov 2017, 04:50 pm
CDT-8 will have AES output.
If you want warmer sound, go with CDT-8 and DAC-9 combo.
For neutral sound, go with CDT-9.

What about those already have DAC-10* and ST-10, good news is that we decided to release a matching CDT-10.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 24 Nov 2017, 04:54 pm
CDT-8 will have AES output.

That is REALLY good news. I will wait until CDT-8 release, so.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: Tom Davis on 24 Nov 2017, 06:33 pm
I agree, I've been waiting for a NuPrime transport with AES output. Now the wait will very shortly be over!

Thanks so much for this product.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 2 Dec 2017, 04:45 pm
Does CDT-8 release still planned for this month?
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 6 Dec 2017, 04:50 pm
It has just gone into production. Shipping last week of January 2018.
Here's CDT-8 sample with IDA-8. The buttons are a nice design variation from the 9 series front panel.  The SRC (sampling rate conversion) setting is done using the remote.  The two images were stitched together by me, so they look slightly off in size :)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172388)
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 6 Dec 2017, 07:52 pm
It has just gone into production. Shipping last week of January 2018.
Here's CDT-8 sample with IDA-8. The buttons are a nice design variation from the 9 series front panel.  The SRC (sampling rate conversion) setting is done using the remote.  The two images were stitched together by me, so they look slightly off in size :)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172388)

Hum :?

I expected something more on par with the 9 series regarding design...

Sad it doesn't look closer to the CDP-9.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: Maxwyme on 6 Dec 2017, 09:38 pm
C'mon Guys, WTF about the design ??????  :o :o :o :o

The CDP-9 shape was a perfect-fitting with the 9-Series !!!!

Please just tell us it's a prototype right?  :D
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: Tom Davis on 6 Dec 2017, 10:25 pm
Lovely, clean design. Thanks for the front image, is there also a chance to see the rear?

And thank you for ship-date; if possible, could you also confirm the price?

Tom
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: RafaPolit on 7 Dec 2017, 03:50 am
I agree with others that the departure from the beveled front looks weird. Not bad, but not in accordance with the other products. Will there be a CDT-9?

Thanks,
Rafa.

Edit: perhaps icons instead of words would have made for a cleaner look on the very slick buttons?  Also, in the CDT, the difference in size between the tray and the screen is not a problem due to it being centered in the front panel, but here since it's on the right side, it looks weird.  I have to side with the surprise regarding the choices of product design here.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 7 Dec 2017, 05:49 am
The CDT-8 Pro looks very nice when view with the actual object. Photography can't show how nice the round buttons look.
It is a departure from the curved look but still within the same clean and simple design style.
The curved look of the CDP-9 will put CDT-8 Pro out of budget for most people. 
We know for a fact that similar internal "guts" are in other CD transport that cost twice as much.  NuPrime has always focus on performance and try to keep the price within budget for most customers.

We tried to lower the price of CDT-8 Pro further but there is just no way. After all the R&D salaries, tooling and certification cost are factored in, it will take a long time and a small miracle for CDT-8 Pro to become profitable model for us. I know some of you can afford "anything" but most of the 9-series customers have a tight budget and our objective is focus on out sized performance and value for money for our brand.

Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 10 Dec 2017, 03:06 am
At last, internal picture!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172562)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miH3i0V2Wzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miH3i0V2Wzg)
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 14 Dec 2017, 02:13 pm
Also, a first review, which seems to conclude that way:
Upgrade the CDP-9 would be necessary for getting the full performance...

http://review.u-audio.com.tw/reviewdetail.asp?reviewid=1408

From Google Translate :

"Power upgrade, not an option, is required

NuPrime CDP-9 there is a place to upgrade, after trying, I almost think it is necessary to upgrade. That is the power. The CDP-9 is so small that it has CDs, a variety of wires, and no room for power at all. Therefore, the CDP-9 is the only one in the 9 Series that uses an external power supply. The original is attached to the ordinary exchange of power supply, although in line with industry standards, but also the Ming Wei such manufacturers products, but the output is still limited, 15V, 1.2A maximum output. I put KECES P8 linear power supply, this unit is dual-output version of this hand, one cut to 15V, the current output is 4A. The KECES P8 uses toroidal transformers, each with its own output ground and low noise levels. The chassis is made of 4mm thick aluminum alloy and isolates EMI / RFI electromagnetic waves. Put on, the sound of the entire triple jump, not only sound density is more solid, more full thickness, the ups and downs of music and contrast more intense, music dynamic more prominent, and the background is more quiet. Orchestration of large orchestration, whether it is subtle lines in the show, or a large dynamic when the energy sense, are more prominent; and large volume, the dynamic section is more calm and organized. Listen to the difference between the drums even bigger, it seems that the original weight of 200 pounds, plus P8, at least 300 pounds or more, and retractable faster and more neat. Just listen to Dali CD 4 again this album will understand, if you do not understand, put a Michael Jackson, Bao Zhisisha to. In fact, the original design of the CDP-9 should have a separate power supply, NuPrime do not understand the power design, but this way, the price is not so cheap. If you are hesitant to consider audiobooks, please inform the store in advance, prepare a power supply for you, I am afraid you listen to CDP-9 also No commitment to pay, after listening to the power of the sound after the upgrade, it was frozen. "
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: kaka89 on 14 Dec 2017, 04:05 pm
Also, a first review, which seems to conclude that way:
Upgrade the CDP-9 would be necessary for getting the full performance...

http://review.u-audio.com.tw/reviewdetail.asp?reviewid=1408

From Google Translate :

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In fact, the original design of the CDP-9 should have a separate power supply, **NuPrime do not understand the power design**, but this way, the price is not so cheap. If you are hesitant to consider audiobooks, please inform the store in advance, prepare a power supply for you, I am afraid you listen to CDP-9 also No commitment to pay, after listening to the power of the sound after the upgrade, it was frozen. "

The correct translation for the second sentence is: "It isn't that NuPrime does not know how to do power design, but the price won't be so cheap if it is included."

The article did strongly suggest upgrade the power supply, I wonder why.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: VintageFlanker on 14 Dec 2017, 04:34 pm
The correct translation for the second sentence is: "It isn't that NuPrime does not know how to do power design, but the price won't be so cheap if it is included."

The article did strongly suggest upgrade the power supply, I wonder why.

Reminds me the case of Chord 2Qute. The designer himself (Rob Watts) strongly claims that a power supply will NOT improve his DAC in any way... but no, many HeadFi membres continue to claim the opposite. I chose to believe Rob Watts in this case.

Any thoughts, Jason?
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: JackD on 15 Dec 2017, 03:07 am
Not so sure what's so puzzling about the recommendation to upgrade from a supplied wall wart to an outboard linear power supply.  Pretty common place in today's audio marketplace.  Many manufacturers who sell the products with wall warts also sell upgraded power supplies for their own units.  Pretty sure you can find one for a reasonable price from direct sellers like Swagman, HD Plex and TeraDak for a reasonable price. 

As an example here is one for the NuForce Icon which used a similar power supply from the factory.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teradak-DC-30W-15V-1-6A-NuForce-Icon-HDP-linear-power-supply/222532768560?hash=item33cffc9330:g:twMAAOSwCU1Y0rp1
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: pawsman on 15 Dec 2017, 12:18 pm
Jason,
If I wanted to upgrade the power supply for my CDP-9, which one would Nuprime recommend?
BTW, I'm enjoying my CDP-9 greatly; I've found that upsampling everything to 768k PCM yields a very
natural, organic sound with Classical orchestral music (my main listening genre)-

pawsman
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: rustydoglim on 21 Dec 2017, 07:42 pm
People always want to push the limit and squeeze out every ounce of improvement. Any linear power supply that matches the voltage will be ok.
We can't recommend anything else because we don't keep track of what's out there.
Title: Re: CDP-8/9
Post by: yarrob on 11 Jan 2018, 12:27 am
I've had my CDP-9 for two weeks now and listened to CDs only.
Room:
  apartment bedroom/study
System:
  CDP-9 --> AVI DM5 active bookshelf speakers
Primary music:
  Weather Report - Columbia Studio & Live box set
  Naxos 30th Anniversary box set, John Williams - The Guitarist box set
  Motown - Hitsville box set,  80s Miles - Decoy & Star People
Impressions:
  I primarily listen to classical, jazz, R&B and rock.  My previous CDPs have included Linn, Sony ES, and ADCOM.  I would say that while the sound does not hug you, its accuracy and detail can be uncanny.  Similar to other listeners, I found the soundstage to be narrower than expected - especially for the DM5s.  Perhaps this will expand over time, or maybe if used with a different pre/amp.  Regardless, voice, strings, percussion, piano, guitar, etc. are all rendered naturally with accurate timbre, and the separation is excellent.  Live recordings are more nuanced w/ CDP-9 versus my older gear.  Again, like another listener, I enjoy the PCM 768 SRC setting.
  I intend to try some different cables and possibly another PS, but I do think it is very good CDP.  I do not think it is great or a real giant killer given the stage width and a lack of the 'you are there' experience from the best, but it has a very clean and analytical (not distorted) sound. It works for me in my room with AVIs and the music I enjoy.

- yarrob
PS IMO Jazz and CD box sets seem to be a great buy these days.  Incredible, historical music with artwork and notes to boot.