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Title: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 22 Jul 2015, 01:46 pm
For the past few years, we have been building the StreamPlayer music server we use here at the shop and at audio shows for customers who request them.  About a year ago, we began development of our Generation II StreamPlayer.  We did not announce it as a product and did not update our Salk Stream web site with the new version.  We wanted to get units out in the field for testing, just to make sure all was well with this new version.

(http://salkstream.com/img/slider-sm.jpg)

We have been shipping the Generation II StreamPlayer for about 8 months now and just completed Rev 2 of the operating system.  What is really nice about this unit is that we have received almost no support calls.  As one owner said, "WOW, it JUST WORKS."

Yesterday we finished work on a new Salk Stream web site featuring the Generation II StreamPlayer.  We thought you might want to take a look.  Here is a link...

http://www.salkstream.com/ (http://www.salkstream.com/)

Happy viewing!

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: srb on 22 Jul 2015, 05:18 pm
Jim,

In your PDF (http://www.salkstream.com/Streamplayer-G2.pdf), you list

Memory:  Typically 8MB
Drive:  2GB drive; Solid state drive optional

Do you not mean 8GB and 2TB ?

Steve
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Gopher on 22 Jul 2015, 06:04 pm
Having spent the better part of 72 hours using one of these players linked to one of our LampizatOr 7s, I can wholeheartedly endorse it.   Sick value for the funds and a fantastic option for people who want music, not computer fuss.   :thumb:
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: robcentola on 22 Jul 2015, 06:14 pm
Slick site and the the product looks like it's on par with other Salk creations.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: mr_bill on 22 Jul 2015, 06:14 pm
Jim,
Is there an easy way to stream Tidal with the new V2 player?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 22 Jul 2015, 07:27 pm
Jim,
Is there an easy way to stream Tidal with the new V2 player?

Yes.  You will use some sort of device (probably an iPad) to control the StreamPlayer.  You can stream Tidal directly from your iPad or iPhone to the StreamPlayer using Airplay.  There are also Airplay apps for Android devices as well if Tidal is available on them. (I don't have an Android device here today, so I can't check.)

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 22 Jul 2015, 07:33 pm
Jim,

In your PDF (http://www.salkstream.com/Streamplayer-G2.pdf), you list

Memory:  Typically 8MB
Drive:  2GB drive; Solid state drive optional

Do you not mean 8GB and 2TB ?

Steve

Steve -

You read my mind.  That is exactly what I meant (just didn't say it quite right).  I got it corrected.

Thanks for pointing that out. (You are a good proof-reader!)

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: maxboy00 on 23 Jul 2015, 11:09 am
Been looking at streamers for a while, can music files be copied to the 2TB internal HD and if so, how? At present, I been ripping Cd's to an external HD. Or is this streamer better suited for use with a NAS system?

Also does it matter what (version of) Apple Ipad is used to connect and operate this streamer?

Really like the minimalist look of this streamer!
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 23 Jul 2015, 12:20 pm
Been looking at streamers for a while, can music files be copied to the 2TB internal HD and if so, how? At present, I been ripping Cd's to an external HD. Or is this streamer better suited for use with a NAS system?

Also does it matter what (version of) Apple Ipad is used to connect and operate this streamer?

Really like the minimalist look of this streamer!

maxboy -

The StreamPlayer shows up as a shared network drive on any computer connected to your network.  So moving files to it is as simple as transferring files from one directory to another on your computer.

While the StreamPlayer can connect to a NAS, it is much easier to use and maintain the system if the music files are stored on the internal 2TB drive.  You can always back up to a NAS or USB backup drive as you see fit.

It does not matter what type of iPad you have.  There are apps that run on any iPad, any iPhone, any Android phone or tablet and any computer on your network.  You can even use multiple apps at the same time.  The StreamPlayer will receive commands from any of these apps and will relay its operational results back to all currently running apps.  There is also a web player included with the StreamPlayer.

You can also use Apple Airplay (or similar apps running on an Android device) to stream ANY content to the StreamPlayer (Pandora, Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, podcasts, etc).

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Buckeye2604 on 23 Jul 2015, 02:08 pm
Are there any pictures of the rear of the unit?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Big Red Machine on 23 Jul 2015, 02:26 pm
Can I attach a 4 TB HD full of music to the Player and have it act like a NAS then on my network?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Phil A on 23 Jul 2015, 03:19 pm
I had a similar question to the above.  I have about 5TB of music files (and growing).  So 2TB is not tons of storage.  Just my non-classical hi-rez stuff (DSD, PCM) without any CDs or hi-rez classical is about 3TB.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 23 Jul 2015, 04:00 pm
Are there any pictures of the rear of the unit?

We have pictures.  But options like S/PDIF and Wifi require different motherboards.  So the backs look different depending on the configuration.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 23 Jul 2015, 04:06 pm
Can I attach a 4 TB HD full of music to the Player and have it act like a NAS then on my network?

There are ways this can be done.  You could probably install multiple hard drives internally.  You can mount external USB drives.  Or you can mount a NAS or other existing shared device as well.  Chances are we can design a set-up that would work in any given situation, but we would have to examine what the best options would be.

In the case of a NAS or a computer holding a music database, we could configure a StreamPlayer to access an existing database as long as it was located somewhere on the network.

- Jim 
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: nyc_paramedic on 23 Jul 2015, 08:58 pm
Jim,

Would you interested in hearing about an idea for a high quality OLED display that would offer sample rate/ word bit length from ALSA and/or song info from MPD? This would would be and add-on to the StreamPlayer connected via Ethernet cable thus eliminating or reducing display noise to a minimum.

I also had another off the wall idea that involves your custom woodwork prowess, glass silk screening and your SalkstreamPlayer.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: maxboy00 on 24 Jul 2015, 09:08 am
Jim,

Much thanks for your response and clarification.

Once I get done ripping my CDs and get an Apple Ipad.... I will then be able to move forward.

There is another OEM that recommended the Apple Air 2 as the preferred tablet for use with their server, which seemed odd, and why I asked if your server had a similar preference. 
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 24 Jul 2015, 12:03 pm
Jim,

Would you interested in hearing about an idea for a high quality OLED display that would offer sample rate/ word bit length from ALSA and/or song info from MPD? This would would be and add-on to the StreamPlayer connected via Ethernet cable thus eliminating or reducing display noise to a minimum.

I also had another off the wall idea that involves your custom woodwork prowess, glass silk screening and your SalkstreamPlayer.

I always appreciate your input and love to hear your ideas.  The StreamPlayer would certainly not exist today without your valuable input.  Email me and we can take it off line.

Thanks,

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Austin08 on 24 Jul 2015, 03:56 pm
Jim,

I have my stream player 2 for quite a while so I guess my streamer is V1 version? What is the different between two versions? Is there a way to upgrade my unit to V2 version if I want too?

Thanks,
Quan
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 24 Jul 2015, 04:56 pm
Having spent the better part of 72 hours using one of these players linked to one of our LampizatOr 7s, I can wholeheartedly endorse it.   Sick value for the funds and a fantastic option for people who want music, not computer fuss.   :thumb:

The lack of computer fuss and now the option for wifi has me real interested in this player.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 24 Jul 2015, 04:58 pm
Yes.  You will use some sort of device (probably an iPad) to control the StreamPlayer.  You can stream Tidal directly from your iPad or iPhone to the StreamPlayer using Airplay.  There are also Airplay apps for Android devices as well if Tidal is available on them. (I don't have an Android device here today, so I can't check.)

- Jim

Is this true for any streaming app?  Particularly Spotify?


Oops.....never mind.  I see this was answered.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 24 Jul 2015, 05:37 pm
Jim,

I have my stream player 2 for quite a while so I guess my streamer is V1 version? What is the different between two versions? Is there a way to upgrade my unit to V2 version if I want too?

Thanks,
Quan

Quan -

You have Rev 1 of the Generation II operating system.  We just finished work on Rev 2 using a Linux compilation we generated ourselves.  So your's is not upgrade-able to Rev 2 directly.  But you can remove the hard drive from your system and sent it do us.  We can transfer your music over to a new drive with the new OS on it and send it back to you.  Let me know if you want to do this.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 24 Jul 2015, 11:35 pm
I noticed this in the PDF doc regarding setup:

"There are basically only three things you need to connect to get things going: 1) Power; 2) Ethernet; and, 3) a USB DAC (or S/PDIF if that option is ordered)."

Is an Ethernet connection still required if you order the player with the wifi option?  The requirement for an Ethernet connection one thing that kept me away from earlier versions.

(Ummmm.....why is Audiocircle showing someone else's avatar on my posts and profile!?  Hmmm...changing browsers fixed it (it's messed up with Safari)).
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Ern Dog on 25 Jul 2015, 02:44 am
Jim,
Do notice any sonic differences between the USB input vs the Spidf input?

What are the benefits to the wifi upgrade?

Thanks,
Ernie
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 25 Jul 2015, 12:54 pm
I noticed this in the PDF doc regarding setup:

"There are basically only three things you need to connect to get things going: 1) Power; 2) Ethernet; and, 3) a USB DAC (or S/PDIF if that option is ordered)."

Is an Ethernet connection still required if you order the player with the wifi option?  The requirement for an Ethernet connection one thing that kept me away from earlier versions.

(Ummmm.....why is Audiocircle showing someone else's avatar on my posts and profile!?  Hmmm...changing browsers fixed it (it's messed up with Safari)).

I always prefer an Ethernet connection as it is more reliable.  If none is available, an Ethernet powerline adapter or wireless Ethernet bridge is an option.  But if you think about it, once music is installed on the StreamPlayer, the only external communications required in its operation are commands from and results to the remote control app you are using to control it.  No bandwidth is required for music since the music bitstream is not moving across the network as long as the music is stored on the StreamPlayer's internal drive.  So it should work just fine with wi-fi.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 25 Jul 2015, 12:56 pm
Jim,
Do notice any sonic differences between the USB input vs the Spidf input?

What are the benefits to the wifi upgrade?

Thanks,
Ernie

There should be no difference between USB and S/DIF except that file resolutions may be limited with S/PDIF.  USB is preferred.

If you have an Ethernet connection (or can provide on via the methods in the previous post), there is no advantage to wi-fi.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Ern Dog on 25 Jul 2015, 03:06 pm
I believe I have the generation 1 model and I'm considering upgrading to newest version, but I'm not sure how it would benefit me.  Would the new generation sound better or perform better?  My unit already has rock solid performance.

I'd like to use my Stream player to play pandora music.  To do this I would need to use the AirPlay feature on my Apple products and that would entail purchasing an Apple TV.  Is this correct?    Would the Streamplayer need to be configured to interface with the Apple TV or is it a simple a plug and play procedure?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 25 Jul 2015, 04:19 pm
I believe I have the generation 1 model and I'm considering upgrading to newest version, but I'm not sure how it would benefit me.  Would the new generation sound better or perform better?  My unit already has rock solid performance.

I'd like to use my Stream player to play pandora music.  To do this I would need to use the AirPlay feature on my Apple products and that would entail purchasing an Apple TV.  Is this correct?    Would the Streamplayer need to be configured to interface with the Apple TV or is it a simple a plug and play procedure?

Great question.  Reading about the gen 2 player I assumed you could stream directly to it via AirPlay (no Apple TV required).

Now that you ask, I'm not so sure and also would like to know the answer since I don't have Apple TV nor plan to get it.  I would like to be able to stream things like Spotify, Amazon Music, etc. from my iPad to the player using AirPlay.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 25 Jul 2015, 04:19 pm
I believe I have the generation 1 model and I'm considering upgrading to newest version, but I'm not sure how it would benefit me.  Would the new generation sound better or perform better?  My unit already has rock solid performance.

I'd like to use my Stream player to play pandora music.  To do this I would need to use the AirPlay feature on my Apple products and that would entail purchasing an Apple TV.  Is this correct?    Would the Streamplayer need to be configured to interface with the Apple TV or is it a simple a plug and play procedure?


As long as the original Generation I is performing well in your set-up, a new Generation II StreamPlayer would not sound any better than what you have.

The only advantage I can see is that the new unit would have AirPlay built in.  You would not need Apple TV as you can stream directly to the StreamPlayer from any device with Airplay capabilities.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 25 Jul 2015, 05:20 pm
...The only advantage I can see is that the new unit would have AirPlay built in.  You would not need Apple TV as you can stream directly to the StreamPlayer from any device with Airplay capabilities.

- Jim

Sweet! :)

Time to start saving for a new toy. :D
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Ern Dog on 25 Jul 2015, 05:34 pm
As long as the original Generation I is performing well in your set-up, a new Generation II StreamPlayer would not sound any better than what you have.

The only advantage I can see is that the new unit would have AirPlay built in.  You would not need Apple TV as you can stream directly to the StreamPlayer from any device with Airplay capabilities.

- Jim

Excellent news!  Thanks Jim!
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: strat95 on 26 Jul 2015, 05:07 am
How about DXD files?  Can the SalkStream play them?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 26 Jul 2015, 11:37 am
How about DXD files?  Can the SalkStream play them?


Yes.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 26 Jul 2015, 11:47 am
Computers are not my forté, so forgive me if this is a silly question......


Since the player will be connected to my home network, is there any type of virus protection needed?  If not, why?

Thanks. :)
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 28 Jul 2015, 02:12 pm
Computers are not my forté, so forgive me if this is a silly question......


Since the player will be connected to my home network, is there any type of virus protection needed?  If not, why?

Thanks. :)

No.  Think of it this way.  If you have a DVR, there is likely no virus protection needed for it.  Devices like a DVR or the StreamPlayer are based on stripped-down versions of Linux.  This is a very unlikely target for viruses as there is really nothing of value to hack.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 28 Jul 2015, 11:54 pm
No.  Think of it this way.  If you have a DVR, there is likely no virus protection needed for it.  Devices like a DVR or the StreamPlayer are based on stripped-down versions of Linux.  This is a very unlikely target for viruses as there is really nothing of value to hack.

- Jim

Thanks. :)
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: HAITIMAN on 29 Jul 2015, 03:49 pm
Jim,

What is the turn-around time for a custom model, say, with wifi?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 29 Jul 2015, 04:56 pm
Jim,

What is the turn-around time for a custom model, say, with wifi?

About 10 days.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: mritschdorff on 27 Sep 2015, 04:56 pm
I’ve had the pleasure of listening to the StreamPlayer for two months and I’m well pleased with it. Immediately I noticed low noise levels which revealed subtle nuances in music, which weren’t present before the StreamPlayer. 
One of the reasons I purchased the StreamPlayer is that I wanted a player that was easy and convenient to use. I have the version 2 StreamPlayer that allows you to switch seamlessly back and forth from the hard drive content to streaming services such as Tidal.  Jim is an absolute pleasure to deal with, as he was very patient with questions I asked.
The intricate machining on the aluminum faceplate is very aesthetically pleasing and the compact case design allows placement in almost every situation. 
The Stream Player represents a significant improvement in sound for the money – a great value!
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 21 Nov 2015, 05:29 pm
Does the new Streamplayer support "Gapless audio playback"? ..... I hope I have that term right....where tracks blend seamlessly together when called for...  Or is that a function of the control app you're using?

Thanks.

Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: PSB Guy on 21 Nov 2015, 10:56 pm
Does the new Streamplayer support "Gapless audio playback"? ..... I hope I have that term right....where tracks blend seamlessly together when called for...  Or is that a function of the control app you're using?

Thanks.
MPD (the music server software the Salkstreamer uses) supports gapless playback.

Cornelis
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Ern Dog on 22 Nov 2015, 03:28 am
Gapless playback works well on the steamer.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: PSB Guy on 22 Nov 2015, 05:11 am
Gapless playback works well on the steamer.
Oh yeah, forgot to say that, oops  :oops:
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 22 Nov 2015, 01:58 pm
That's good to hear.

I'm wanting something simpler to replace my current Windows based solution (SB Touch, Windows 10, LMS) for listening to my music collection.  The new Streamplayer is looking like a winner, albeit a bit pricer than I'd hoped.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: phoward on 17 Dec 2015, 06:14 am
Let me start by saying I am absolutely delighted with the StreamPlayer.
Easy to set up, easy to use - even of a less than technical ex Mac Mini guy (yes the StreamPlayer DOES sound THAT MUCH BETTER)

Here's my question - I'm about halfway through putting my CD collection into FLAC format using dBPoweramp.  Just noticed that some of my Beatles CDs are stored as The Beatles, and some as Beatles, The.  Yes, I clearly wasn't paying that much attention while ripping. 

I used to be able to change metadata easily after ripping to iTunes, am stumped how to do it in this environment.  Is there a separate app that I need to acquire or do I just need to re-rip the CDs that aren't organized to my liking?

Appreciate any guidance you can offer....

Thanks,
Peter
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 17 Dec 2015, 10:06 am
Peter -

If dbPoweramp is putting some CDs in a folder called "Beatles, The" and some in a folder called "The Beatles," I assume it is also putting each specific CD in a folder inside of those folders.  If that is the case, simply copy over the CD folder in the main folder you do not want to the one you want to use and then delete the empty original folder.  When the StreamPlayer re-indexes the files, they should all be in the folder you want.

You may also be able to change the Artist name before you actually rip the files.

Of course, there is a possibility I am not fully understanding what is happening here.  But the solution should be quite simple. 

Just for your information, in the Profile section (lower left section) of dbPoweramp, here is the code I use for the Naming item:

[IFCOMP][IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],Various Artists[]\[album]\[track] [artist][][IF!COMP][IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],[artist][]\[album]\[track][] - [title]

This automatically sets up my folders the way I like (although you may experience the same situation as it collects this data from the way the CD is listed.

I hope this helps.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 3 May 2016, 02:33 am
When do you anticipate the website will be updated with details about the new Salkstream II Mini and the Salkstream III Roon Ready version?

Thanks.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 4 May 2016, 03:14 pm
When do you anticipate the website will be updated with details about the new Salkstream II Mini and the Salkstream III Roon Ready version?

Thanks.

After AXPONA, we've been swamped.  I'll try and get some new pages up in the next day or two.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 5 May 2016, 12:52 am
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: audio.bill on 12 May 2016, 07:13 pm
Looks like the site has been updated with info on all three versions of the StreamPlayers: http://www.salkstream.com/ (http://www.salkstream.com/)
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 12 May 2016, 07:48 pm
Looks like the site has been updated with info on all three versions of the StreamPlayers: http://www.salkstream.com/ (http://www.salkstream.com/)

Boy, you are fast! I just put the pages up.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 12 May 2016, 11:58 pm
The new site looks great.  I'm particularly interested in the new Mini model.

A couple questions...

In the comparison chart there's no mention of a Wifi option.  Is wifi no longer offered on any of the models?  If still available as an option, what's the price?

The comparison chart does not mention an S/PDIF output (optical?) being available on the Mini, but the PDF document for the Mini mentions it as an option?  Is an S/PDIF output available on the Mini?  If so, what's the price?

Thanks Jim. :)
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: ctsooner on 13 May 2016, 02:58 pm
Great thread.  Thanks.  I wanted to know how I can add my CD collection to your server/streamer.  What ripper is recommended?  Would one of the bulk Blu Ray rippers work as good as a single and if a single one, which one do you recommend with this unit. Can you rip directly to the unit using an app?  Sorry, very new to all of this still.  Looking at Melco N1ZH or Aurender N100H. I'm using the Empirical Audio OSDE/SE with their short block USB device that cuts the 5V on the USB line.  Would this be compatible?  Thanks.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 13 May 2016, 03:07 pm
The new site looks great.  I'm particularly interested in the new Mini model.

A couple questions...

In the comparison chart there's no mention of a Wifi option.  Is wifi no longer offered on any of the models?  If still available as an option, what's the price?

The comparison chart does not mention an S/PDIF output (optical?) being available on the Mini, but the PDF document for the Mini mentions it as an option?  Is an S/PDIF output available on the Mini?  If so, what's the price?

Thanks Jim. :)

Saturn -

We decided to eliminate the WiFi option.  It's not that it didn't work, it's just that we have no control over an owners wifi capabilities.  And if they have a weak wifi signal or have too much traffic over wifi, dropouts can occur and we get support calls related to issues beyond our control.  Ethernet is the best.  If it is not available where the StreamPlayer is located, a powerline ethernet adapter or wifi ethernet bridge are the way to go.  We have even had some customers decide to install a dedicated router just for their audio system.  None of these are expensive options.

As for an S/PDIF option on the StreamPlayer Mini, I modified the .pdf to customize them for each model.  I forgot to remove the S/PDIF option from the Mini.  It is not available on that model.  Sorry.  I corrected the .pdf file.

- Jim

Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 13 May 2016, 03:17 pm
Great thread.  Thanks.  I wanted to know how I can add my CD collection to your server/streamer.  What ripper is recommended?  Would one of the bulk Blu Ray rippers work as good as a single and if a single one, which one do you recommend with this unit.

Any ripper will work, but dbPoweramp is the best ripper bar none. It does error checking in a totally unique way.  Checksum strategies on CD's are not the same as with computer programs on optical disks.  The error-correction protocols on a CD are much more rudimentary as they were developed before computers started using optical discs and a one-bit error in a music file was not as critical as a one-bit error transferring a computer program (which could be critical).

When you rip with dbPoweramp, it compares your rip to the rips of everyone else who has ever ripped that same track.  If the overwhelming majority of rips end up with the same checksum, it is assumed the rip is good.  If your's differs from the majority, it is assumed your rip is defective and you have the option of ripping again.  Simple but effective.  Kind of ingenious if you ask me.

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Can you rip directly to the unit using an app? 

Yes.  The StreamPlayer shows up as a network device on your computer just like any other device.  So you can see the StreamPlayer's music folder (directory) and write to it just like any other disk on your computer.  So you can move files back and forth by simply copying them to the music folder.

With dbPoweramp, you can set the program to save to a specific directory in a specific way.  So, for example, you can decide you want all your files set up in a folder of each individual artist, inside of which you want a folder for each individual cd, inside of which you want all the music and album art files.  You can also tell dbPoweramp what drive (StreamPlayer) and folder (music) you want it save to.

So when you insert a cd into your computer, all you have to do it hit "rip" and it will automatically be ripped to the StreamPlayer in the exact place and format you requested.  It doesn't get much easier.

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Sorry, very new to all of this still.  Looking at Melco N1ZH or Aurender N100H. I'm using the Empirical Audio OSDE/SE with their short block USB device that cuts the 5V on the USB line.  Would this be compatible?  Thanks.

The specifications on Steve's DAC say it is USB Class 2.0 Audio compliant.  There is no reason it should not work.

I hope this answers your questions.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: gregcss on 13 May 2016, 05:02 pm
I dont use Tidal but curious in it and the StreamPlayer. Looks like with the Gen2 I could use the Tidal app on an Android and have it play through the Gen2. Gen3 has Tidal built it, but only works if one has a Roon account as well. If not they would need to use android app to play through the Gen3. Are these statements correct?
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 13 May 2016, 05:16 pm
Saturn -

We decided to eliminate the WiFi option.  It's not that it didn't work, it's just that we have no control over an owners wifi capabilities.  And if they have a weak wifi signal or have too much traffic over wifi, dropouts can occur and we get support calls related to issues beyond our control.  Ethernet is the best.  If it is not available where the StreamPlayer is located, a powerline ethernet adapter or wifi ethernet bridge are the way to go.  We have even had some customers decide to install a dedicated router just for their audio system.  None of these are expensive options.

As for an S/PDIF option on the StreamPlayer Mini, I modified the .pdf to customize them for each model.  I forgot to remove the S/PDIF option from the Mini.  It is not available on that model.  Sorry.  I corrected the .pdf file.

- Jim

Yuck.....not what I was hoping.

I'd really like to simplify my system, not add components/complexity (more things to go wrong).  Wiring for Ethernet isn't an option with my house layout.

I certainly understand your reasons, but none the less I'm disappointed.  Back to the drawing board for me.....:(
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 13 May 2016, 06:13 pm
I dont use Tidal but curious in it and the StreamPlayer. Looks like with the Gen2 I could use the Tidal app on an Android and have it play through the Gen2. Gen3 has Tidal built it, but only works if one has a Roon account as well. If not they would need to use android app to play through the Gen3. Are these statements correct?

Yes, you can always use Tital via Airplay to either the Gen II or Gen III StreamPlayer.  The Gen III player would give you the option of incorporating Roon/Tidal in the future if you did not want to use it now. The Gen III StreamPlayer will work fine without using Roon.

- Jim
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Post by: jsalk on 13 May 2016, 06:15 pm
Yuck.....not what I was hoping.

I'd really like to simplify my system, not add components/complexity (more things to go wrong).  Wiring for Ethernet isn't an option with my house layout.

I certainly understand your reasons, but none the less I'm disappointed.  Back to the drawing board for me.....:(


Well, in our last home I was in the same boat, so to speak.  I used a powerline ethernet adapter to link to my dedicated home theater (streaming audio and video) and never had an issue.  And they don't cost much either.  Just a thought...

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: PSB Guy on 13 May 2016, 07:04 pm
Yuck.....not what I was hoping.

I'd really like to simplify my system, not add components/complexity (more things to go wrong).  Wiring for Ethernet isn't an option with my house layout.

I certainly understand your reasons, but none the less I'm disappointed.  Back to the drawing board for me.....:(
The new powerline networking kits that meet the newest HomePlug AV2 1200 or 2000 standard seem to have it perfected. I recently replaced my setup, and the installation was fast and easy, and has been working flawlessly for months now.

Cornelis
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Post by: toddc2 on 13 May 2016, 07:08 pm
Well, in our last home I was in the same boat, so to speak.  I used a powerline ethernet adapter to link to my dedicated home theater (streaming audio and video) and never had an issue.  And they don't cost much either.  Just a thought...

- Jim

I recently did this, I'm getting 170 Mbps in my basement listening room over the power line ethernet adaptor. Way better than the 70 Mbps I'm getting off my WiFi extender in the basement, so it's worth a try.
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Post by: ctsooner on 13 May 2016, 08:44 pm
Great answers and appreciated.  What model of blue ray (or is DVD better for audio only) drive is best when ripping?  I would probably need to get one.  I can get one of those bulk rippers, which would be awesome if the meta data etc would just load automatically (again, not sure if I'm even saying it correctly) and then sell it for nearly what I will pay for it.  Not sure if it's as good as a single drive etc...

Thoughts? 
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Post by: Saturn94 on 13 May 2016, 10:08 pm
Well, in our last home I was in the same boat, so to speak.  I used a powerline ethernet adapter to link to my dedicated home theater (streaming audio and video) and never had an issue.  And they don't cost much either.  Just a thought...

- Jim

I recently did this, I'm getting 170 Mbps in my basement listening room over the power line ethernet adaptor. Way better than the 70 Mbps I'm getting off my WiFi extender in the basement, so it's worth a try.

The new powerline networking kits that meet the newest HomePlug AV2 1200 or 2000 standard seem to have it perfected. I recently replaced my setup, and the installation was fast and easy, and has been working flawlessly for months now.

Cornelis

Thank you for the suggestions and feedback.  The other issue I have is getting the signal from the player to my pre/pro, an Anthem AVM 20 purchased in 2003 (no USB, no HDMI, etc), hence my desire for an s/pdif output.  I really don't want to have to purchase/install yet another device to go between the player and pre/pro.  The Gen II offers this as an option, but the price point keeps me hesitating (the price point of the Mini is an easier pill to swallow ;) ).  It's also not helping we'll soon be having a new roof installed and some home repairs done (cha ching!!).

".. Dear Santa....."  :thumb:

PS - odd....I just went to the website and looked at the PDF doc for the Mini and it still shows s/pdif as an option.  :scratch:
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Post by: jsalk on 14 May 2016, 12:30 am
PS - odd....I just went to the website and looked at the PDF doc for the Mini and it still shows s/pdif as an option.  :scratch:

Thanks.  I changed it but forgot to upload the new copy to the server.  It's there now.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 14 May 2016, 03:17 pm
How much is the s/pdif option on the Gen II?
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Post by: jsalk on 14 May 2016, 03:32 pm
How much is the s/pdif option on the Gen II?

Optical or coax?

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 14 May 2016, 07:41 pm
Optical or coax?

- Jim

Hmmmm....good question.  How about price for each?  Is there an advantage of one over the other?
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Post by: jsalk on 14 May 2016, 08:11 pm
Hmmmm....good question.  How about price for each?  Is there an advantage of one over the other?

The difference from a built standpoint is that coax requires a motherboard with that support.  And they tend to be a bit more expensive and harder to find.  Most with S/PDIF options these days are optical.  I would say about $50 for optical and $75 for coax.

Most DACs can handle both these days, but some only have one or the other inputs.  So it depends on the DAC.  USB is more universal these days for use with a streaming device.

- Jim
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Post by: DigitalDude on 14 May 2016, 08:35 pm
Question, so I can fully control V3 of this unit with the Roon app alone or will I need something else?  I will be moving from a Sonos Connect/NAS situation.  I would like to keep all my music on the StreamPlayer and just use the NAS for backups of my music.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: Saturn94 on 14 May 2016, 09:35 pm
The difference from a built standpoint is that coax requires a motherboard with that support.  And they tend to be a bit more expensive and harder to find.  Most with S/PDIF options these days are optical.  I would say about $50 for optical and $75 for coax.

Most DACs can handle both these days, but some only have one or the other inputs.  So it depends on the DAC.  USB is more universal these days for use with a streaming device.

- Jim

Thanks for the info. :)

I'm still using an old Anthem pre/pro (AVM20) which I still enjoy and have no plans to replace in the forseable future.  As such, my connection options are optical and coax s/pdif.

I'm exploring options to get Ethernet to the system that would be acceptable to me.  I'll et you know how it goes.

Btw, what's drawn me to the Salkstream player is the reputation for high SQ, relative simplicity, and reliability (very important to me and the whole reason I'm looking to replace my Logitech Touch/LMS system that's tied to Windows...the main source of issues!).
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 15 May 2016, 10:42 am
Great answers and appreciated.  What model of blue ray (or is DVD better for audio only) drive is best when ripping?  I would probably need to get one.  I can get one of those bulk rippers, which would be awesome if the meta data etc would just load automatically (again, not sure if I'm even saying it correctly) and then sell it for nearly what I will pay for it.  Not sure if it's as good as a single drive etc...

Thoughts? 

Any optical drive is fine for ripping CD's.  Your ripping program will be responsible for making sure you get a bit-perfect copy.  Again, dbPoweramp is the best for that.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 15 May 2016, 10:43 am
Question, so I can fully control V3 of this unit with the Roon app alone or will I need something else?  I will be moving from a Sonos Connect/NAS situation.  I would like to keep all my music on the StreamPlayer and just use the NAS for backups of my music.

Yes, Roon is the only program you will need for a user interface.  And it can run on just about any relatively recent device.

- Jim
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Post by: toddc2 on 15 May 2016, 02:20 pm
Yes, Roon is the only program you will need for a user interface.  And it can run on just about any relatively recent device.

- Jim

Make sure your tablet can support the Roon controller if that's the device you are planning to use. The Roon website has a good list of compatible devices.

My two year old iPad Mini is not supported and I balked at buying a newer device just to run the GUI.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: TomS on 15 May 2016, 02:55 pm
I had the same problem with Roon and my older iPad, which works fine for everything else. It is odd that Roon will run fine on an iPhone, but not these older iPads  :scratch:
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 15 May 2016, 04:10 pm
I had the same problem with Roon and my older iPad, which works fine for everything else. It is odd that Roon will run fine on an iPhone, but not these older iPads  :scratch:

Most people trade phones every two years or so.  You need a fairly new iPhone as well as far as I know.  Mine is an iPhone 6, so I can't comment on earlier iPhones.

- Jim
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: TomS on 15 May 2016, 04:29 pm
Most people trade phones every two years or so.  You need a fairly new iPhone as well as far as I know.  Mine is an iPhone 6, so I can't comment on earlier iPhones.

- Jim
Yes, makes sense. Mine is a 6 as well.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: ctsooner on 15 May 2016, 09:12 pm
Thanks for the answer. I think I'll be purchasing the Acrombe Nimbie I think they call it. Seems like a few dealers are using this with db to mass rip for clients at a charge.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: toddc2 on 5 Jun 2016, 04:39 pm
Is there anything special about the DC power regulation in the StreamPlayer? Something along the lines of a quality linear supply built in?

Or is there enough space in the box to do some mods? The reason I ask is that much of the research I've done on the server topic implies that clean DC power is essential.
Title: Re: New Salk StreamPlayer web site
Post by: jsalk on 12 Jun 2016, 10:21 pm
Is there anything special about the DC power regulation in the StreamPlayer? Something along the lines of a quality linear supply built in?

Or is there enough space in the box to do some mods? The reason I ask is that much of the research I've done on the server topic implies that clean DC power is essential.

toddc2 -

The StreamPlayer uses a switching power supply.  That said, there are quite a few companies offering linear power supplies.  Teddy Pardo is one example.  I have one of his power supplies but never noticed a difference in the StreamPlayer's performance.  I once loaned it to a customer who wanted to check it out.  He could not hear a difference either. 

Many people will tell you a linear power supply makes a significant difference (especially those who offer them).  I certainly wont' argue.  After all, who am I to say.  But I haven't been able to confirm to myself that they do make a difference.  So I won't comment either way.

The point is, if you feel strongly about it, there are options out there and the StreamPlayer will work just fine with them.

- Jim
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Post by: Afterimage on 23 Jun 2016, 04:34 pm
I have the Generation III.    I had a hard time getting up and running, mostly getting on the network, but with Jim's help we got through that.  He took time on the weekend to help us work through stuff plus he helped load everything on my external hard drive to the streamer.  So customer service is absolutely fantastic.  As for the streamer, I'm still in the learning curve, but it's just awesome.  On another note, does it make any sense to plug and aftermarket power cord into the extension box?
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Post by: jsalk on 23 Jun 2016, 05:49 pm
I have the Generation III.    I had a hard time getting up and running, mostly getting on the network, but with Jim's help we got through that.  He took time on the weekend to help us work through stuff plus he helped load everything on my external hard drive to the streamer.  So customer service is absolutely fantastic.  As for the streamer, I'm still in the learning curve, but it's just awesome.  On another note, does it make any sense to plug and aftermarket power cord into the extension box?

Yes, depending on the network setup in your home, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge.  The issue is never with the StreamPlayer directly, but getting everything on your network to cooperate.  This is especially true on networks with a majority of Apple products. 

In this case, for example, the Apple turned on journaling on the USB backup drive.  This made it impossible for Linux machines like the StreamPlayer to read the drive.  Fortunately, I have run across this before and knew the solution.  We just hooked it up to a MAC laptop, turned journaling off and then hooked it back up to the StreamPlayer.  This issue is related to the fact that Apple doesn't like system components not manufactured by Apple and throws up roadblocks for non-Apple products.  The problem is, most consumers wouldn't know about issues like these and would naturally blame the new device.  But we're always here to provide support in this type of situation.

Issues like this are always simple to solve once you are able to nail down the nature of the problem.  In this case, we were able to get things up and running without too much trouble.

As for the power cord, I doubt it would make any difference.  The StreamPlayer draws very little power, so it doesn't require a mega power cord.

- Jim
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Post by: Saturn94 on 23 Jun 2016, 10:21 pm
I have the Generation III.    I had a hard time getting up and running, mostly getting on the network, but with Jim's help we got through that.  He took time on the weekend to help us work through stuff plus he helped load everything on my external hard drive to the streamer.  So customer service is absolutely fantastic.  As for the streamer, I'm still in the learning curve, but it's just awesome.  On another note, does it make any sense to plug and aftermarket power cord into the extension box?

+1!

Jim's help getting my new Salkstream III up and running has been great.  :thumb: