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Saw this today, great installment in the now eight volume series. Thoroughly enjoyed the movie that takes place seemingly moments after the end of episode VII. Lots of action with good character development, the movie moves right along and you don't ever realize you're in a 2 1/2 hour show. Of course it leaves a path to episode IX, but it feels like a complete movie on its own that answers more questions than it leaves open. A must see for all fans of the series.
A side note, we saw it in 3D, not our preference but all the good seats were taken in regular digital screenings (we almost exclusively go to AMC with reserved recliner seating). It looks like a lot of people are rejecting the 3D viewing experience for old time 2D.
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But what did you think of the 3D experience?
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So did they blow a sun converted to laser beam for blowing up other suns?
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TLJ is probably as good as it's going to get for the new Star Wars movies. It is a great movie on its own. However, it's clear as day that they completely rewrote whatever they originally had in mind. Last Jedi is tonally a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. The dynamics that were setup in Force Awakens are pretty much tossed away. I imagine when you watch both Force Awakens and Last Jedi back to back it's going to be a little jarring. The fact that JJ Abrams is only NOW pitching an idea for the third film gives away how much must have been re-shot and re-written, so the last film is going to be a hot mess.
That said, on its own merits, Last Jedi is thematically rich and the performances are excellent. Wonderful twists, and a finale that will mean a lot to those of us who grew up with the originals while opening the door to a new generation. In fact the whole movie grapples with letting go of the old and being open to the new and it does this in very moving ways. So it's a must see and relish it because JJ is now back for the third so you know it's just going to nonsense spectacle. These movies are after all, just pure machine product at this point, and it kind of shows.
But Last Jedi manages to be a product with heart.
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TLJ is probably as good as it's going to get for the new Star Wars movies. It is a great movie on its own. However, it's clear as day that they completely rewrote whatever they originally had in mind. Last Jedi is tonally a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. The dynamics that were setup in Force Awakens are pretty much tossed away. I imagine when you watch both Force Awakens and Last Jedi back to back it's going to be a little jarring. The fact that JJ Abrams is only NOW pitching an idea for the third film gives away how much must have been re-shot and re-written, so the last film is going to be a hot mess.
That said, on its own merits, Last Jedi is thematically rich and the performances are excellent. Wonderful twists, and a finale that will mean a lot to those of us who grew up with the originals while opening the door to a new generation. In fact the whole movie grapples with letting go of the old and being open to the new and it does this in very moving ways. So it's a must see and relish it because JJ is now back for the third so you know it's just going to nonsense spectacle. These movies are after all, just pure machine product at this point, and it kind of shows.
But Last Jedi manages to be a product with heart.
Very eloquently stated wushuliu! I would like to also add that Benicio del Toro was an absolute hoot!
Best,
Anand.
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Although I havent watched The last jedi yet , I hope its not like the Force Awakens as that movie had a Disney/Nickalodean/kiddie type of feel to it....I prefer The Originals and the Prequel like the Phantom Menace.
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Although I havent watched The last jedi yet , I hope its not like the Force Awakens as that movie had a Disney/Nickalodean/kiddie type of feel to it....I prefer The Originals and the Prequel like the Phantom Menace.
Then you will like last Jedi. In some ways it is the most 'mature' of all the star wars AND also the funniest believe it or not. Second best Jedi fight next to Return throne room.
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I quite liked TFA - I thought it was faced with a very difficult task of trying to reboot a franchise while still building on it. I though it did hew too closely to the plot beats of ANH, but the fact that the characters were in very different (internal) places while navigating that plot made up for it.
I'm still trying to figure out where I come down on TLJ. It'll probably take a 2nd viewing.
Walking out of the theater, I really liked it. I liked that he went in some different-ish directions, and it leaves Episode 9 a much wider set of options than I was expecting it to.
However, there is a lot of valid criticism being leveled at the plotting and at some aspects of the movie that undermines/alters some of what has gone before. In the moment, these didn't bother me too much, but I'm not sure they won't become more significant to me as things sink in.
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Well, I just saw it after not reading the above stuff since I posted the above.
I thought it was really good as I watch movies with an open mind. However, my reaction after leaving was - since I'm attached to the originals, I don't need to see the new ones as they come out - because, for those who have seen it, they've "moved on" from the originals. I can wait for the following ones to come out on video.
The thing I like about this one is that - as I've often thought about the others - I didn't think, "well, if they could do that, why didn't they just do that earlier?" That is - using the force or as I call it in other movies, magic.
But I can see why they've "changed" things, they have to move on because then it's just the same story over and over again.
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TLJ is probably as good as it's going to get for the new Star Wars movies. It is a great movie on its own. However, it's clear as day that they completely rewrote whatever they originally had in mind. Last Jedi is tonally a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. The dynamics that were setup in Force Awakens are pretty much tossed away. I imagine when you watch both Force Awakens and Last Jedi back to back it's going to be a little jarring. The fact that JJ Abrams is only NOW pitching an idea for the third film gives away how much must have been re-shot and re-written, so the last film is going to be a hot mess.
That said, on its own merits, Last Jedi is thematically rich and the performances are excellent. Wonderful twists, and a finale that will mean a lot to those of us who grew up with the originals while opening the door to a new generation. In fact the whole movie grapples with letting go of the old and being open to the new and it does this in very moving ways. So it's a must see and relish it because JJ is now back for the third so you know it's just going to nonsense spectacle. These movies are after all, just pure machine product at this point, and it kind of shows.
But Last Jedi manages to be a product with heart.
TLJ is probably as good as it's going to get for the new Star Wars movies. It is a great movie on its own. However, it's clear as day that they completely rewrote whatever they originally had in mind. Last Jedi is tonally a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. The dynamics that were setup in Force Awakens are pretty much tossed away. I imagine when you watch both Force Awakens and Last Jedi back to back it's going to be a little jarring. The fact that JJ Abrams is only NOW pitching an idea for the third film gives away how much must have been re-shot and re-written, so the last film is going to be a hot mess.
That said, on its own merits, Last Jedi is thematically rich and the performances are excellent. Wonderful twists, and a finale that will mean a lot to those of us who grew up with the originals while opening the door to a new generation. In fact the whole movie grapples with letting go of the old and being open to the new and it does this in very moving ways. So it's a must see and relish it because JJ is now back for the third so you know it's just going to nonsense spectacle. These movies are after all, just pure machine product at this point, and it kind of shows.
But Last Jedi manages to be a product with heart.
I think in the past we've seen things pretty differently with more films than not, but I agree with everything you said here. I was accidentally spoiled in two big ways before the film (some MMA fighter just blurted out the biggest spoiler on Twitter like an a-hole), but it actually ended up being a positive, I think. I was already processing the "what" beforehand, so when it went down on screen, I had the luxury of just filling in the "why" and the "how". I agree completely that this was a huge left turn from Force Awakens, and the 3rd installment is not set up hardly at all. On the one hand it seems like all the potential story arcs from TFA went out the window...on the other, I suppose it leaves things open ended to where we can go in just about any direction. But the latter sort of defeats the purpose of a the trilogy concept. But overall I gave Jedi high marks. I had fun, I felt like the performances were solid, and I was okay with the two big spoiler/outcomes.
Now I just have to prepare to cringe trying to see someone actually pull off the role of Han Solo. Expectations will need to be uber low going in, I think, because Han Solo is perhaps the icon of icons to someone like me. Arguably my favorite film character ever, and one that I've been emotionally attached to and involved with since I was five years old. It's very easy for me to feel almost offended that Disney would dare even consider such a project. I think Donald Glover will probably crush the Lando role, and we'll have Chewie as sort of a familiarity bridge...but ultimately there's only one Han Solo.
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Lots of thoughtful stuff here. I'm a SW fan from 1977--I saw the so-called 'The New Hope' 13 times in theater release, but I never did warm to episodes 1 thru 3.
TLJ I thought was way too long and too complicated It was nice seeing Mark Hamill and Carie Fisher again, but if I never again see John Boyega the Wimp in a movie, that'll be just fine. Daisy Ridley, however, was the best part of the movie. She's a fine actor and was always a pleasure to see on screen. It'll certainly be a 'oncer' for me.
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Lots of thoughtful stuff here. I'm a SW fan from 1977--I saw the so-called 'The New Hope' 13 times in theater release, but I never did warm to episodes 1 thru 3.
TLJ I thought was way too long and too complicated It was nice seeing Mark Hamill and Carie Fisher again, but if I never again see John Boyega the Wimp in a movie, that'll be just fine. Daisy Ridley, however, was the best part of the movie. She's a fine actor and was always a pleasure to see on screen. It'll certainly be a 'oncer' for me.
I honestly don't know what they were doing with Boyega this film. He had a pretty integral role in Force Awakens, but in Jedi he was just sort of shoved off into the margin to give him something to do. Very odd. Couldn't agree more about Daisy. Fantastic casting.
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Funny that all of liked it so much. On AVSforum, there's a thread there where the fanboys tore apart the movie saying there were more plot holes than a monster block of swiss cheese. Many did not like it at all!!
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I’m among the group that didn’t like it at all. I felt the entire movie was aimed at merchandising to kids, the plot was predictable and acting was awful.
I long for someone to make a serious, adult, thoughtful Star Wars movie that isn’t entirely a CG extravaganza. I guess this puts me out of touch with the current reality of Star Wars. As far as I’m concerned, TLJ could have been made without any actual humans acting in it and come out the same. Maybe I’m just an old codger!
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I’m among the group that didn’t like it at all. I felt the entire movie was aimed at merchandising to kids, the plot was predictable and acting was awful.
I long for someone to make a serious, adult, thoughtful Star Wars movie that isn’t entirely a CG extravaganza. I guess this puts me out of touch with the current reality of Star Wars. As far as I’m concerned, TLJ could have been made without any actual humans acting in it and come out the same. Maybe I’m just an old codger!
Your wish is coming true:
https://movieweb.com/dune-remake-star-wars-for-adults-director-denis-villeneuve/ (https://movieweb.com/dune-remake-star-wars-for-adults-director-denis-villeneuve/)
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I enjoyed TLJ quite a bit - I really like the new look and feel that the Disney productions bring to the trilogy. I don't really understand the griping about Star Wars movies not being sophisticated enough or that they are aimed toward a young audience. Seriously, take a fresh look at the original trilogy - it too is not particularly sophisticated and it's pretty much aimed at teenagers.
What I notice about people that lionize the original trilogy is they selectively focus on/remember the mature parts of the movies and forget/discount the 'kiddie' stuff. And then they complain that the newer movies are too kid oriented! Haha.
The other thing I see is that most fans of the OT saw it when they were young and in subsequent years have become more surly. I equate their carping about the new movies as the equivalent of:
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A cool Star Wars prop?
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Tyson:
Thanks for respecting my opinion. Now, Get Off My Lawn!
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Tyson:
Thanks for respecting my opinion. Now, Get Off My Lawn!
Haha, thanks for being a good sport about it :thumb:
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I thought there were some decent scenes. Plot holes? YA THERE WERE. The entire movie a plot hole. It literally doesn't make sense.
Did I like the movie? Hell no. Endless stupidness in it... trashed characters, etc. The Last Jedi, or the Last Starwars Movie I Pay $ For?
It literally felt like Lucas got his old man hands on it so he could make use hate it, just like the digital remasters of the original trilogy.
As far as I'm concerned, Rogue One is the standard to which modern Star Wars movies need to AT LEAST make it to. It was pretty good, not perfect, but pretty good. It had the right amount of humor, and nothing super annoying or out of character. The one thing it needed to do however was just NOT HAVE PRINCESS LEIA TURN AROUND and it would have been much better. Well that and have someone play Admiral Tarken, not CGI.
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I’ve never understood all the fuss about Star Wars. The first two films didn’t quite pander to children as much as the third and and fourth. “The Empire Strikes Back” wasn’t a particularly bad film, but the subsequent two instalments were quite a step down, especially “Phantom Menace”. That one ensured I would never watch another. Life is too short and time too precious to wasted on such tripe.
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I'm having trouble following you Wind Chaser.
By Date:
1st movie: Starwars
2nd movie: Empire Strikes Back
3rd movie: Return of the Jedi
4th movie: The Phantom Menace
5th movie: Attack of the Clones
6th movie: Revenge of the Sith
7th movie: The Force Awakens
8th movie: Rogue One
9th movie: The Last Jedi
By Chronological Order: (of the destroyed Starwars universe)
Episode 1: The Phantom Menace
Episode 2: Attack of the Clones
Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith
Prologue: Rogue One
Episode 4: Starwars
Episode 5: Empire Strikes Back
Episode 6: Return of the Jedi
Episode 7: The Force Awakens aka black Homer Simpson in space w/ British girl.
Episode 8: The Last Jedi aka a muppet show of stupidity mixed in with Jedi stuff & massive plot holes.
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As everyone should know by now - time is not linear in the Star Wars universe and massive plot holes with goofy, furry and cute creatures are everywhere.
Trying to figure out why some of my old friends did what they did also resulted in massive plot holes so it's not that unusual in both universes.
As long as I don't try to figure it out I have a real good time in both.
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Why wouldn't time be linear?
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I'm having trouble following you Wind Chaser.
My comments about the first four are in reference to release date.
Star Wars >> Empire Strikes Back >> Return of the Jedi >> The Phantom Menace.
Back in 1977 the original "Star Wars" was revolutionary, there had never been anything quite like it in terms of special effects. The story, acting and direction were nothing special, but it didn't matter. We were captivated by what we saw.
3 years after that with the novelty of the visual effects out of the way, as a sequel "The Empire Strikes Back" felt like a much more satisfying film. As I recall, apart from Yoda briefly acting out like an infant, there wasn't much in the way of overt pandering to little kids.
By comparison "Return of the Jedi" was a disappointment, largely on account of the teddy bears.
Then came "Phantom Menace" with Jar Jar Binks and a six year old hero.
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My question is - given the consistently unsophisticated nature of pretty much every Star Wars movie - why are people acting all butthurt when a new Star Wars movie comes out that is not sophisticated?
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I will enjoy any Star Wars as long as Jar Jar is not in any of them.
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Why wouldn't time be linear?
Because 4, 5, 6 was before 1, 2, 3.
But you knew that, soon there will be so many prequels and sequels that we'll need a spreadsheet to keep track.
When Star Wars starts time traveling like Star Trek we'll know the galaxy has jumped the shark.
But I'll see them all anyway.
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My question is - given the consistently unsophisticated nature of pretty much every Star Wars movie - why are people acting all butthurt when a new Star Wars movie comes out that is not sophisticated?
Because people grew up and would like a more mature version, for one. And all facets of entertainment are more mature now in various ways since the industry has been able to do anything they want. Also sales don't historically line up with forcing immaturity - the opposite really, as kids idolize adults and tend to gravitate to characters that show a spectrum.
For two I don't think the originals were nearly as fucking stupid as Chewbacca and the nocturnal penguin things that roam about during the day... nor Yoda acting like a retarded muppet during the tree scene. When Yoda acted goofy in the original trilogy it was to test Luke Skywalker. He isn't naturally a buffoon at 900 years old. Plus he looked like shit as a CGI ghost.
Because 4, 5, 6 was before 1, 2, 3.
But you knew that, soon there will be so many prequels and sequels that we'll need a spreadsheet to keep track.
When Star Wars starts time traveling like Star Trek we'll know the galaxy has jumped the shark.
But I'll see them all anyway.
456 was before 123 in our chronological order, not theirs. Why would we assume ours if theirs if they're in a galaxy far far away, a long time ago? I'm sensing curmudgeon attitude.
I feel like they've done a good job to make it clear when each film is, with the continuity.
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Because people grew up and would like a more mature version, for one. And all facets of entertainment are more mature now in various ways since the industry has been able to do anything they want. Also sales don't historically line up with forcing immaturity - the opposite really, as kids idolize adults and tend to gravitate to characters that show a spectrum.
For two I don't think the originals were nearly as fucking stupid as Chewbacca and the nocturnal penguin things that roam about during the day... nor Yoda acting like a retarded muppet during the tree scene. When Yoda acted goofy in the original trilogy it was to test Luke Skywalker. He isn't naturally a buffoon at 900 years old. Plus he looked like shit as a CGI ghost.
I disagree with everything you wrote. I watched the OT again recently with my daughter and they are DEFINITELY not aimed at adults and they have tons of cringeworthy moments.
All your carping amounts to “Well I would have done it different!”. Yeah, so what. These are all just popcorn movies aimed at kids. To claim otherwise is to invest the movies with more than is actually there.
This reminds me of that stupid discussion on the Marvel movies about point-rating the various power levels of the different characters. Dear lord can we just stop with the “this movie didn’t follow my arbitrary rules so it SUX” mentality.
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Ya but here's the thing. The money follows people that care. The more they appease, the greater the box office hit.
And did you watch the OT without the digital edits? Very different. Personally I would be ashamed to show my kid the digital edits... waiting for the day Disney releases the OOT.
Also continuity is challenging when you start really screwing with characters etc. That will become a bigger and bigger issue over time.
The biggest problem is the psychopaths on top, whom try to use tactics and tools from previous movies, in all movies they expect to be big bread winners. Many of the Marvel films follow that pattern where they are only very good between expectations. Sadly, Disney has started down the same path.
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456 was before 123 in our chronological order, not theirs.
OK, we beat that one to death, I'm bored.
Because people grew up and would like a more mature version, for one. And all facets of entertainment are more mature now in various ways since the industry has been able to do anything they want. Also sales don't historically line up with forcing immaturity - the opposite really, as kids idolize adults and tend to gravitate to characters that show a spectrum.
I did enough drugs that I'm never growing up.
I was 29 when Episode IV came out in 1977 and loved it. In 1977 there were 79,472,000 people in the US between 10 and 29.
In 2017 the US estimated population between 10 and 29 is 85,405,385.
The 2017 US estimated population for people between 65 and 85 is 40,267,984, these are the people who saw IV, V, VI in the theaters and according to you want a more mature version (more T&A?).
I'm not even counting world wide audiences here but if I were making family movies I would go for the 85,000,000+ in the 10-29 group, the average Star Wars ticket buyer is a 34 year old male.
And I really want a Porg.
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I wasnt even born when it came out. The point being is nearly everyone watched Star Wars when youngish, then nothing came out for many years. Recently it became more normal for kids not to know the OT, for kids approaching the Igen generation birth date and after.
And is there something wrong with people not wanting to trash all their childhood memories? That hasnt been an issue for everyone predating media that is being remade, so I dont exactly see how it is fair for them to criticize the rest of us.
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Ya but here's the thing. The money follows people that care. The more they appease, the greater the box office hit.
And did you watch the OT without the digital edits? Very different. Personally I would be ashamed to show my kid the digital edits... waiting for the day Disney releases the OOT.
Also continuity is challenging when you start really screwing with characters etc. That will become a bigger and bigger issue over time.
The biggest problem is the psychopaths on top, whom try to use tactics and tools from previous movies, in all movies they expect to be big bread winners. Many of the Marvel films follow that pattern where they are only very good between expectations. Sadly, Disney has started down the same path.
If you want scifi with depth, then you watch something like Primer, Children of Men, Under the Skin, Ex Machina, Arrival or Bladerunner 2049 (the last 2 from the same director, interestingly enough). And historically there's been a ton of great, thought provoking scifi movies (2001, Solaris, original Blade Runner, etc...), but Star Wars is not among them. Star Wars is just a variation of wish fulfillment fantasy pop culture like every super hero movie ever or any movie with a 'badass' main character. It'll all equally meaningless.
Not saying these types of facile movies are not enjoyable, many of them are TONS of fun. But judging them against the standards of serious works of art is misguided at best. Star Wars, Mad Max, John Wick, Lone Wolf & Cub, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Marvel - all of them are exceedingly will made and they are all a lot of fun. But works of depth they certainly are not.
Rather than gripe about popcorn flicks not living up to your standards, why not spend more time watch other movies with actual depth. In fact, I've created a thread, stickied on this forum, about some of the great movies of all time according to various different sources. Clearly you want something more than what movies like Star Wars are delivering. Maybe you're just looking in the wrong place.
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I like many other movies you do, too. But I don't put constraints on the types of movies that can be good. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad I'll say why.
Besides. Rogue One. Pretty darn good, and they didn't have to go muppet on it. For me it's closer to watching The Expanse, which is an amazing series. SciFi is fabulous when it can be serious and badass. If I have a blast watching it, why deny it? I just don't follow your line of thinking. It's not like I rewrite scripts. And if no one ever says what they like or don't, movie makers will be seriously challenged with trying to decide what movies they should fund. And there is just only so much money & talent to go around, so every time they spend a few years making a turd... it's a waste.
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I disagree with everything you wrote. I watched the OT again recently with my daughter and they are DEFINITELY not aimed at adults and they have tons of cringeworthy moments.
All your carping amounts to “Well I would have done it different!”. Yeah, so what. These are all just popcorn movies aimed at kids. To claim otherwise is to invest the movies with more than is actually there.
This reminds me of that stupid discussion on the Marvel movies about point-rating the various power levels of the different characters. Dear lord can we just stop with the “this movie didn’t follow my arbitrary rules so it SUX” mentality.
Yes, the OT special edition or not, were for kids. New Hope has horrendous dialogue. But the effects and mythic structure is what won us over.
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I like many other movies you do, too. But I don't put constraints on the types of movies that can be good. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad I'll say why.
Besides. Rogue One. Pretty darn good, and they didn't have to go muppet on it. For me it's closer to watching The Expanse, which is an amazing series. SciFi is fabulous when it can be serious and badass. If I have a blast watching it, why deny it? I just don't follow your line of thinking. It's not like I rewrite scripts. And if no one ever says what they like or don't, movie makers will be seriously challenged with trying to decide what movies they should fund. And there is just only so much money & talent to go around, so every time they spend a few years making a turd... it's a waste.
Right, you have your rules that a movie is good if it meets those rules and bad if it doesn't. Seems like IV, V, and Rogue One meet those rules and the others don't and that is upsetting to you.
Meanwhile, I on the other hand, don't impose those rules on these types of movies and I actually enjoyed all of the SW movies.
I ask you - what is a better way to live? The way that allows you to enjoy more movies? Or the way that prevents you from enjoying those movies?
You seem to want to find emotional resonance and satisfaction from Star Wars, and I don't. So when one of movies, by chance, happens to resonate with you, you hold it up as a beacon and then use it to thrash all the other movies because they don't 'measure up'. Me, on the other hand, I don't expect much emotional resonance from them. And if one of them doesn't resonate with me, I don't complain that the movie "ruined my childhood memories". Holy cow!
Also, you seem to forget that SW is aimed at kids, and judging by my daughter, it's doing a great job of that right now. She's seen ALL of the Star Wars movies at this point. Her favorite is.... The Last Jedi. So even though TLJ didn't resonate with you, it DID resonate with the person it was supposed to, people like my 11 year old daughter.
Which brings me to my broader point - these movies don't resonate with you as an adult because you are an adult. If you want emotional resonance, look elsewhere. Otherwise you're just setting yourself up for heartache and disappointment.
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Folsom - Star Wars was not and is not Sci-Fi. It was always a mythic mashup of Joseph Campbell and the cheesy movie serials Lucas and Spielberg grew up on - Spielberg chose the jungle adventure serial route and made Indiana Jones, Lucas went the outer space route and made Star Wars. Star Wars was always about kids and merchandising. Always.
As far as 'cinematic' value, Empire is the one that makes the others better than they really are. It is a true masterpiece of story structure. It is the true 'mature' film of the bunch - and George saw to it that never happened again since it's the one over which he had least control! Take the essential plot structure of Empire and copy it into any genre and you will always get a great story.
Anyhoos, whatever. Stars gonna Wars.
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wushuliu - perfectly stated.
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I’m among the group that didn’t like it at all. I felt the entire movie was aimed at merchandising to kids, the plot was predictable and acting was awful.
I long for someone to make a serious, adult, thoughtful Star Wars movie that isn’t entirely a CG extravaganza. I guess this puts me out of touch with the current reality of Star Wars. As far as I’m concerned, TLJ could have been made without any actual humans acting in it and come out the same. Maybe I’m just an old codger!
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I long for someone to make a serious, adult, thoughtful Star Wars movie...
That's already been done, Google it: Star Wars XXX: A Porn Parody
I guess you would call this "The Dark Side" of popular culture.
Cassie Murdoch writing for Mashable:
"Turns out there's more than one way to get, errrm, excited about the The Last Jedi coming out...
Porn platform xHamster reports that searches for "Star Wars" are surging ahead of the release of The Last Jedi today. And interest seems to be much higher around this release than other movies in the franchise.
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And no, I haven't seen it but I used to have a VCR tape of the classic Flesh Gordon in the mid 70's.
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Just seen it couple days ago and although it was better then the previous movie it still had the kiddie Disney feel to it with a lot of other shit that would of upset most fans.....I guess if one wants to kill a powerful sith lord just use the ole light saber merry go round trick. LMAO
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Don't pass up "Lust in the Dust," a semi-porn satire of Blazing Saddles. Starred Tab Hunter (yeah, the late 50s heart throb), Divine, and some midgets. With a lineup like that it can't lose. Very funny!
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Just seen it couple days ago and although it was better then the previous movie it still had the kiddie Disney feel to it with a lot of other shit that would of upset most fans.....I guess if one wants to kill a powerful sith lord just use the ole light saber merry go round trick. LMAO
I haven't seen this one, but thought the previous movie was great. 1,000,000 times better than either of 1 or 2 (the later 1 or 2, not the original 4-6). 1 and 2 were so bad, I never saw 3.
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Finally saw this, and thought it was great. This is an odd one, as on Rotten Tomatoes, the critics liked it, but the public did not. I however, loved it. For me, I suspend my disbelief when watching most movies and movies like this especially. The only thing I could've done without was the animals with Chewbacca, but my kids (7 and 10) loved them.
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Fav quote from reviews, "We waited 30 years for the return of Luke Skywalker and he comes back timid, living on a planet with frog nuns, not wanting to be a Jedi and drinking from a 4 tit walrus?!"
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Fav quote from reviews, "We waited 30 years for the return of Luke Skywalker and he comes back timid, living on a planet with frog nuns, not wanting to be a Jedi and drinking from a 4 tit walrus?!"
I don't see what was weird about that. He's a Jedi. That's kind of what they do. The problem with the movie is that there wasn't any real setup in TFA for, well, much of anything so they don't give you time to really process what happened. I understand Hamill didn't like the direction it took because heck he was the hero, but making him Obi-Wan had to happen. Things change. Stories change, and the roles people play change. Star Wars was influenced by Joseph Campbell and I think he would approve of The Hero becoming The Mentor. Of all the issues with TLJ, the one that I had no problem with was Luke. And I mean come on, just like Obi-Wan he will be back in the last movie to guide Rey, etc. Had to happen.
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In fact I would like to know Folsom, what did you want to happen to Luke? What role did you think he was going to play? I'm curious.
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Did I expect him to die? Sure. But he was the prophecy and the prophecy apparently is meaningless despite 6 movies being made about it.
Were they to source from the books or even a half smart imagination ,there was a LOT OF STUFF THAT COULD HAVE GONE DOWN, and he still could have gone out like Obi.
Fact of the matter to Mark and everyone else is that Luke turned into some deranged anti-jedi character. He no longer embodied anything that was Jedi. It took an absolutely insanely stupid anti-yoda character to talk him into doing anything. Obi on the other hand never turned his back on the force, and never gave up on Anakin. He did go into hiding but he wasn't ashamed of himself for creating Vader, he was sad, and yet still willing to stand for good. Luke went into hiding because he failed to join the DarkSide by killing Kylo. What????? The chosen one was an anti-jedi drinking walrus milk, on a planet where nocturnal penguins come out to cry and wimper to you when you eat one??????? They don't run????? Chewie gives a shit about his food????? Nonsense. Garbage.
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Did I expect him to die? Sure. But he was the prophecy and the prophecy apparently is meaningless despite 6 movies being made about it.
Were they to source from the books or even a half smart imagination ,there was a LOT OF STUFF THAT COULD HAVE GONE DOWN, and he still could have gone out like Obi.
Fact of the matter to Mark and everyone else is that Luke turned into some deranged anti-jedi character. He no longer embodied anything that was Jedi. It took an absolutely insanely stupid anti-yoda character to talk him into doing anything. Obi on the other hand never turned his back on the force, and never gave up on Anakin. He did go into hiding but he wasn't ashamed of himself for creating Vader, he was sad, and yet still willing to stand for good. Luke went into hiding because he failed to join the DarkSide by killing Kylo. What????? The chosen one was an anti-jedi drinking walrus milk, on a planet where nocturnal penguins come out to cry and wimper to you when you eat one??????? They don't run????? Chewie gives a shit about his food????? Nonsense. Garbage.
Maybe Luke was never the chosen one? I always felt like the 1st 6 movies were really Anakin's story (rise, fall, redemption). Maybe part of Luke's disillusionment in TLJ is coming to the realization that he was not, in fact, the chosen one.
That would also explain quite well his viewing himself as a failure and something of a fraud. The incident with Kylo just reinforced that belief and turned him sour on the entire Jedi structure.
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+1 Tyson
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Except the Luke of the original trilogy never had an ego to need the hero validation. He was the selfless true believer, called to a cause bigger than himself - a la the Campbell hero story logic. Playing the role of hero and seeing oneself as hero are two different things, and opposed to each other in the hero myth motif.
So TLJ’s biggest error with Luke was completely ignoring that previous arc, and reframing Luke as spoiled brat, not idealistic-but-overall-enlightened-servant.
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I agree with Folsoms post......They made Luke out to be a SJW COWARD most likely because the feminist didnt want Luke to out shine the lead female character.
Luke in the Star Wars films is the embodiment of heroism. In the TLJ he should of been given an honerable heroic death.
I would of made Luke sacrifice his life to save rey while fighting the Sith Lord.
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I have to reitterate, how did the "rebels" who had agents all over the galaxies, get dwindled to two dozen people? The empire was massively weakened by the loss of the emporer, but not destoryed... then all of a sudden it is as if nothing happened??? And the empire who was basically omnipotent in these movies somehow let Luke train Jedi's????? No no no no no, they would have to have some kind of foot hold to do so. Nothing makes sense.
Whether luke is "the one" is irrelevent to the horror of these wastes of energy.
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The movie definitely has its issues (Luke's change of character, casino scene) but I still found it to be an entertaining installment of the series. Looking forward to episode ix (and beyond)!