2 in 1 Freq Chart=ALPHA + B200

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Re: 2 in 1 Freq Chart=ALPHA + B200
« Reply #20 on: 13 Feb 2012, 01:25 am »
From a early VTL site version:
              LINEARITY AND FEEDBACK
Tubes are voltage amplifiers (as opposed to solid-state current amplifiers), with the
result that tubes are a more linear amplification technology, requiring less overall
negative feedback to make the circuit linear. Overall negative feedback is a sample
of the output of the amplifier re-injected into the input 180 degrees out of phase, and
is used to correct non-linearities and distortions.  Too much negative feedback in
general tends to slow the amplifier down and suck the emotion and life out of the music.
High feedback designs usually give a sterile and boring, lifeless sound, while low
feedback designs give a more immediate sound to the music.
Negative feedback has other benefits, as the use of feedback helps to lower output
impedance of the amplifier. Lower output impedances can control loudspeaker loads
 better.  Zero feedback designs tend to have very high output impedances, and
therefore tend to be very reactive to the loudspeaker load, while high feedback designs
can help to provide the flattest response into a given loudspeaker load.
Zero to 20dB of negative feedback is generally considered acceptable, and is usually
the maximum amount of feedback needed to make a tube amplifier circuit linear and
to keep the output impedance down to an acceptable level.
Transistors (depending on technology and type of output device used) generally need
 over 50dB of negative feedback overall (either globally or within local loops).
The benefits of feedback are lower output impedance, (and therefore higher damping
 factor), and generally less reactance to the loudspeaker load and therefore better
control of the loudspeaker. Single ended amplifiers with zero negative feedback, while
being the most simple amplifiers lowest in parts count, are very high output impedance.
Because of the high DC current in the output transformer, the output transformer is
easily saturated, with the result that such amplifiers are generally extremely low powered
and have very narrow frequency response capabilities.
                     POWER SUPPLY
The higher working voltages present in tube amplifiers generally allows better voltage
swing capability and better headroom. This higher working voltage yields higher audible
energy storage with a lower value capacitor (audible energy storage is voltage squared
divided by 2 multiplied by capacitance).
Compare 600 working volts of tube amplifiers vs. 80 working volts of transistor amplifiers.
This is most likely why many listeners feel that tubes sound more powerful.

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Re: 2 in 1 Freq Chart=ALPHA + B200
« Reply #21 on: 19 Feb 2012, 04:56 am »
Nice article FULLRANGEMAN! Very accessible and clear. Thanks!!!

Warmest Regards ~ Richard

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Re: 2 in 1 Freq Chart=ALPHA + B200
« Reply #22 on: 19 Feb 2012, 05:17 pm »
Hi Richard,
As you like, Iam posting the remainder text, maybe it would be useful to some else.
                  WHY TUBES ARE BETTER THAN TRANSISTORS ?
At VTL we feel that tubes are the best technology for audio, for the following primary
reasons:
    1 - Tubes use simple circuits.
    2 - Tubes overload gracefully.
    3 - Tubes are more linear, and therefore.
    4 - Tubes require less overall negative feedback.
Tubes are a more viable technology now than in the past, as better components
are now available for modern tube amplifiers.

                 SIMPLE CIRCUITRY
At VTL we have found that in general, passing the signal through a lesser number
of components  yields a purer, more immediate sound.   Simple circuits with fewer
components have been found to sound cleaner than complex circuits with many
 components in the signal path.    This is because there are fewer components to
change or distort, the sound (add to or degrade the signal).
Simple circuits also have inherently higher reliability, since there are less parts to fail.
Tubes are more tolerant of circuit drift and parts deviations, and thus can be used in
the simplest circuits.

           DYNAMIC HANDLING CAPABILITY
Music has great dynamic swings, and in tube amplifiers the onset of clip/overload as
maximum power is reached is gradual, with a low even-order harmonic.  Even-order
harmonic distortion is somewhat benign, and less offensive to the ear than the harsh,
odd-order harmonic distortion characteristic displayed by solid-state circuits, even
though the distortion figures for tubes are somewhat higher.
Transistor amplifiers generally reach their power limit and clip in a mostly odd-order
harmonic, which is more fatiguing to listen to.        In such a transistor amplifier the
distortion rises very quickly as the maximum power level is reached, with an almost
square wave characteristic, and a high DC component, which can destroy loudspeaker
drivers.  As an example of the difference in the distortion characteristics between the
two technologies, tube guitar amplifier manufacturers have traditionally designed their
equipment to drive the output stages into overload distortion, using the resultant
distortion to get the sound they like, also known as "tone". In a tube amplifier this tone
contributes to the amplifier's sound, but in a solid-state amplifier this distortion would
be intolerable and would destroy speakers.

              LINEARITY AND FEEDBACK
Tubes are voltage amplifiers (as opposed to solid-state current amplifiers), with the
result that tubes are a more linear amplification technology, requiring less overall
negative feedback to make the circuit linear. Overall negative feedback is a sample
of the output of the amplifier re-injected into the input 180 degrees out of phase, and
is used to correct non-linearities and distortions.  Too much negative feedback in
general tends to slow the amplifier down and suck the emotion and life out of the music.
High feedback designs usually give a sterile and boring, lifeless sound, while low
feedback designs give a more immediate sound to the music.
Negative feedback has other benefits, as the use of feedback helps to lower output
impedance of the amplifier. Lower output impedances can control loudspeaker loads
 better.  Zero feedback designs tend to have very high output impedances, and
therefore tend to be very reactive to the loudspeaker load, while high feedback designs
can help to provide the flattest response into a given loudspeaker load.
Zero to 20dB of negative feedback is generally considered acceptable, and is usually
the maximum amount of feedback needed to make a tube amplifier circuit linear and
to keep the output impedance down to an acceptable level.
Transistors (depending on technology and type of output device used) generally need
 over 50dB of negative feedback overall (either globally or within local loops).
The benefits of feedback are lower output impedance, (and therefore higher damping
 factor), and generally less reactance to the loudspeaker load and therefore better
control of the loudspeaker. Single ended amplifiers with zero negative feedback, while
being the most simple amplifiers lowest in parts count, are very high output impedance.
Because of the high DC current in the output transformer, the output transformer is
easily saturated, with the result that such amplifiers are generally extremely low powered
and have very narrow frequency response capabilities.

                     POWER SUPPLY
The higher working voltages present in tube amplifiers generally allows better voltage
swing capability and better headroom. This higher working voltage yields higher audible
energy storage with a lower value capacitor (audible energy storage is voltage squared
divided by 2 multiplied by capacitance).
Compare 600 working volts of tube amplifiers vs. 80 working volts of transistor amplifiers.
This is most likely why many listeners feel that tubes sound more powerful.

            AVAILABILITY OF MODERN COMPONENTS
By using transistors in the area where they are better: Solid state rectifier diodes offer
faster rectification, and have the ability to address a much higher capacitance than the
older tube rectifiers. (Tube rectifiers are designed to handle only 50 microfarads (mf) at
maximum, while solid state rectifiers can handle capacitances greater than 4000 mf).
Solid state rectifiers also offer far better reliability and don't age as quickly as tube rectifiers.
Tube rectifiers age and eventually short out the power supply cap, which is an expensive repair.
Newer electrolytic capacitors available today have much higher energy storage in a
smaller package, - 4000 mf and greater - than older paper in oil caps, which offer just
50mf maximum.  In any amplifier a better power supply translates to wider high
frequency response and better bass control capability.
Better quality insulation materials available today, as used in VTL Signature output
transformers: The tighter coupling between each layer, and the better interleaving
of the output transformers both help to keep capacitance down (and resultant high
frequency roll off ) and offers more efficient current transfer with lower insertion loss,
to improve current supply capability to the loudspeaker, thereby offering much improved
bass and top frequency performance capability.
PC boards available today offer a better method to keep components apart, which is
superior to point to point assembly.
PC boards offer easier manufacturability and serviceability.
Teflon insulated wire is more suited to the higher working voltages, which is a more
stable insulation than the old system of cloth wrapped wire. High voltages run on separate
wires avoids copper crystallization (whiskers, due to high voltage) between layers of
fiberglass when high voltage is run on PC board traces. Teflon wire also has better thermic
stability and can withstand higher current for a short time than PC board traces.
These multiple newer technologies allow us to make tubes perform closer to the limit of their
designed capabilities, which couldn’t previously be done, and allows tubes to offer better
sonic performance than before.

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Re: 2 in 1 Freq Chart=ALPHA + B200
« Reply #23 on: 24 Feb 2012, 10:48 pm »
Just found this French beauty in 8inches 99dB Alnico glory, unfortunately priced around 1200eu each. GULP!
Cone is paper, only MMS=7grams, suspension is paper also with 5 ply paper and gap flux=21K Gauss.
http://www.supravox.fr/anglais/haut_parleurs/215_2000.htm

The factory proposed box are a TQWT: http://www.supravox.fr/kits/tqwt215.pdf

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Re: 2 in 1 Freq Chart=ALPHA + B200
« Reply #24 on: 25 Feb 2012, 09:49 pm »