Target Returns

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Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #20 on: 8 Mar 2015, 09:11 pm »
I originally had a 64 inch old RPTV recessed into the wall in the old place but ran PVC in the ceiling and when I got rid of the 260 pound beast I put a shelf on the side of the soffit for the projector along with a trap door to get to the wiring, built a stand for the center behind the screen and recessed the center into the wall.  In the pic below, underneath the counter with the basement pole I covered up there is a passive sub going to the little PSB surrounds I had (left those in the old house too). I painted the sheetrock behind the rack black and cut a big opening so I could easily get to the wiring as there was plenty of room in the unfinished part of the basement.  No basement (in FL).




Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #21 on: 8 Mar 2015, 09:14 pm »
I do not know at what cost, but cost never been an object in my life and I have never owned monitor speakers either studio designs or garden.
1.The lead kills you.
2.Solid steel is heavy.
3.Sand is not heavy enough.
4.Bryston balls are expensive.
Do have any better idea?

Yes - I filled one rack with lead (my brother has that one) - wore gloves.  Target had these heavy metal pellets they used to sell and I had those in the rack in the pics above.  How about these?
http://www.amazon.com/10000-Bbs-0-12g-Airsoft-Guns/dp/B001AHSK2M

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #22 on: 8 Mar 2015, 09:56 pm »
•   300 Rubber covered marble size ball weights needed per ‘pair’ of Mini T Stands
•   Includes 4 notched metal disks (see above) to cap stand bottom and assist in wire management
•   300 ball weights fills 16 inches x 4 of stand pillars
•   Compatible with all speaker stands

BRYSTON Stand Weights - Specifications
Dimension of each Ball   0.7 in. / 18.05 mm diameter
   
   

Price Per 300 Pieces - $200 List Price


mrhyfy

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #23 on: 8 Mar 2015, 11:19 pm »
It will be great to finally see Bryston stand mount speakers  with SUBSTANTIAL stands under them!!

rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #24 on: 9 Mar 2015, 12:10 am »
Just to quote James

 http://www.audioaficionado.org/bryston-audio/30581-target-returns.html

Quote from: James Tanner - Bryston;681538
Bryston proudly welcomes Target Audio Products to our complete line of high performance audio equipment. We are the exclusive international distributor.

Music lovers and sound quality experts have long known that “bookshelf” speakers perform best when coupled to robust high quality loudspeaker stands. In 1981, Target pioneered the concept of high mass, highrigidity stands. Weighing up to 44 pounds (20 kgs.) per stand, today’s Target products are fully manufactured in North America and represent the finest quality, best sounding stands available for loudspeakers of all price categories. Each stand is constructed of hotrolled steel and is finished in a rugged yet attractive powdercoat ensuring years of durability.

A Natural Partnership

Like Bryston, Target manufactures top-quality products based on the science of sound without dubious claims of uncertain merit. Both brands are based in Ontario, Canada which ensures a streamlined quality control and distribution strategy Beyond Bryston Loudspeakers Target offers 4 lines of increasingly robust stands each available in heights ranging from 20 inches to 28 inches designed for compatibility with virtually all shelf and stand-mount loudspeakers.

For More Information
Contact Bryston for further information including where to buy or to offer Target to your customers.

And now they're made in Canada eh! Well I'll be........didn't know that....definitely saves on shipping.
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*Scotty*

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« Reply #25 on: 9 Mar 2015, 12:31 am »
Phil, I don't know how effective the polystyrene BBs will be in deadening vibration in the stand, as the weight of 10000 of them is only about 2.6 lbs.. It might be a very cheap experiment. Walmart or Kmart may also sell these airsoft BBs. The make much heavier ones, see links.
0.20g   http://www.amazon.com/TSD-Competition-Grade-biodegradable-airsoft/dp/B001DHC214/ref=pd_bxgy_sg_text_y

0.26g   http://www.amazon.com/TSD-Tactical-Biodegradeable-White-Airsoft/dp/B001DHC21Y/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1425860474&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=10000+Bb%27s+0.26g+6mm+for+Airsoft+Guns

And finally, pick your poison up to 0.36g   http://www.amazon.com/ThunderBBs-Airsoft-0-12-Competition-Grade/dp/B00CNJ7D1A/ref=pd_sim_sg_54?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ETB7911WZ1EGCYNQXEB

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Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #26 on: 9 Mar 2015, 01:44 am »
You're probably right.  The Target Heavy Metal filler was the best but good luck finding that (I probably got mine at Audio Advisor 15 years ago).  There's all kinds of stuff - http://www.petco.com/product/115883/Petco-Black-Aquarium-Sand.aspx?AID=11030085&PID=6146857&SID=i717abpnqc0027jz00zgy&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petco.com%2Fproduct%2F115883%2FPetco-Black-Aquarium-Sand.aspx&cm_mmc=CJ-_-CID-_-6146857-_-11030085

rob80b

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #27 on: 9 Mar 2015, 01:55 am »
For a more permanent solution, poured cement into a pair once….just make sure one spays the insides with rust prevention first..worked out fairly well.

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Don_S

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« Reply #30 on: 10 Mar 2015, 05:39 pm »
James,

Bryston's promotional brochures for Target speaker stands encourage the use of "shot". Most people will automatically associate that with lead shot, not steel or other materials like BBs.

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« Reply #31 on: 10 Mar 2015, 05:46 pm »
James,

Bryston's promotional brochures for Target speaker stands encourage the use of "shot". Most people will automatically associate that with lead shot, not steel or other materials like BBs.

Ok will change that

james


Don_S

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #32 on: 10 Mar 2015, 07:35 pm »
Thank you James. Handled with all the class we have come to expect from Bryston.  :beer:

Please do not feel singled out.  A couple of years ago I took the editors of TAS to task for something they published mentioning using lead shot for speaker stand fill. To their credit they published my letter and an apology.

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #33 on: 11 Mar 2015, 02:40 am »
I know lead is toxic, but as long as it is handled properly it shouldn't be a problem when used in tightly bolted speaker stands, right? Obviously, lead is not ideal (for health/safety) and I understand discouraging use of it, but it is pretty cheap and quite heavy.
Glad to see Target stands being distributed by a successful company. Target makes very VERY good gear, that is sensibly priced.

SFOX

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #34 on: 11 Mar 2015, 03:07 am »
Hi Phil

Do you have any shots of the component equipment racks as it is one area I want to resurrect.

james

James

I did a quick search on Google images - various component equipment racks shown

Steven  :thumb:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=target+audio+stands&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=709&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wrD_VIbILYTasATmnYKABg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #35 on: 11 Mar 2015, 03:27 am »

Phil A

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #36 on: 11 Mar 2015, 03:51 am »
They use to make racks with either glass shelves (like the one in my pic) or with wood ones (I had one of each at one point).  The wood ones looked like this:

http://img.usaudiomart.com/uploads/large/564160-target_audio_b4_rack.jpg

Don_S

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #37 on: 11 Mar 2015, 02:35 pm »
I know lead is toxic, but as long as it is handled properly it shouldn't be a problem when used in tightly bolted speaker stands, right? Obviously, lead is not ideal (for health/safety) and I understand discouraging use of it, but it is pretty cheap and quite heavy.
Glad to see Target stands being distributed by a successful company. Target makes very VERY good gear, that is sensibly priced.

The issue is not when it is in the stands.  It is before and after. Lead is forever. The environmental term is persistent. Lead has been removed from paint, gasoline, and electronics because it does not go away or degrade. In some areas it has been banned for hunting. The mining and smelting of lead ore causes environmental damage. Eventually the lead needs to be recycled or disposed of.

The green hierarchy is reduce, reuse recycle.  So please be green.  Do not use lead for speaker ballast. It is not just about ourselves. It is about our great, great, (keep adding "great") grandchildren.

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Re: Target Returns
« Reply #38 on: 11 Mar 2015, 03:38 pm »
I generally agree with green practices, though I don't like them being pushed on me. Here's something to think about....

Keep in mind we're talking about adding lead to stands, not taking lead and throwing it in a landfill. These stands are intended to last a LONG time, and could likely last several generations of great grandchildren. So, if one were to use lead (perhaps even recycled lead which was already mined at one point), one would actually be taking lead out of circulation and putting it to use somewhere where it won't be harmful. Green(er), yes? Perhaps this would be even MORE green than buying newly made steel ballast, where I'm sure lead and other newly mined materials are being used (or stripped), in the manufacturing process.

People have a tendency to overlook the processes involved just to make "green" products. Often, these processes are NOT green at all. Look into the process of building hybrid vehicle batteries, for instance. NOT green, by ANY stretch of the imagination. This is just an example. I think we need to look further into how we think about "green" products sometimes, before simply stating that something is or isn't green whether or not the end product is intended/marketed to be green or not.

Sorry for the thread derail, but I had to object a little to the idea that lead ballast is any worse to use than anything else (other than maybe sand), beyond potential health risks during handling.

Don_S

Re: Target Returns
« Reply #39 on: 11 Mar 2015, 04:02 pm »
RDavidson,

I am not talking about all green products. Raising doubts about them is raising straw soldiers.  Not the point here.

OK so sometimes lead stays in a speaker stand for a long time-but not forever.  That takes it out of circulation and requires that additional lead be mined and smelted to make up the difference. If recycled lead goes into a speaker stand then it does not go into car batteries and new lead must be produced. Your argument that using lead in speaker stands is green is flawed. You are trying very hard to defend a position that is indefensible.

Eventually speaker stands get sold and have to be emptied to move or shipped. Or maybe the owner is moving cross country and does not want to pay to have lead moved.  Or the stands get abandoned in place behind walls.

Dealing with sand is so easy compared to lead.  Does lead really offer superior performance? If it does is it worth the environmental costs?  Or is it just over-the-top obsession?