"Such pure enjoyment....I can't fathom a more fulfilling audio product than Clayton's speakers."
I think it is probably time to order some M3 turbos!Be prepared to be floored. $3k shouldn't sound this good and be full range. Well, it should but I've never heard it until these. Yes, they're really that good.
George
Be prepared to be floored. $3k shouldn't sound this good and be full range. Well, it should but I've never heard it until these. Yes, they're really that good.
I believe you!By the end of the weekend I should be able to tell you what a LIO sounds like on M3's. :green:
Your recommendations on the Ncore amps (both pairs), Aualric Vega, and LIO have been spot on. :thumb:
George
By the end of the weekend I should be able to tell you what a LIO sounds like on M3's. :green:
Jealous...looking forward to hearing your impressions. That would be my dream combo...No dream required! Save those pennies! :lol:
By the end of the weekend I should be able to tell you what a LIO sounds like on M3's. :green:
By the end of the weekend I should be able to tell you what a LIO sounds like on M3's. :green:No need to wait...Sounds awesome! I have the LIO on the M3 Turbo S's and run it with the LIO amp, Kismet monos and NCore 500's...Awesome combination with all 3 amps.
Super excited you're getting a LIO Jason!I'm not. :nono:
I'm not. :nono:If you hear the combination, you will
If you hear the combination, you willWhat I have is technically better. ;) Fully balanced from input to output.
DavidJack,
I am using the Modwright LS-100 preamp, but also tried my W4S STP-SE, with the two tube amps plus the Kismet, Nuprime ST-10, W4S mAmps and right now testing out another members Nord One Up NCore 500 amps. The tube preamp and the Nord's are quite a combination with the Turbo S's. I initially thought I would be testing the Spatials out, but the wife has decided they are staying. My Nolas are OB for the mids and tweeters and bass reflex for the woofers, but full OB is a bit different.
What I have is technically better. ;) Fully balanced from input to output.
I have to take exception.I have to take exception too. If you look at the measurements of my equipment running balanced mode, there is an obvious advantage over SE. That's why I do it...not for special connectors or any of the typical audiophile crap.
All a balanced configuration accomplishes is greater freedom from hum and the like, due to the inherent rejection of common mode signals, like EMI induced hum. This can be an advantage only when hum is a problem or is audible, otherwise the signal suffers twice the degradation needlessly. I say twice the degradation because it is impossible for a signal not to be degraded to some extent merely by passing through any electrical device, be it transistor, capacitor, resistor, transformer winding or whateverr. Since fully balanced involves twice the number of devices for the signal to pass through, the resulting distortion from this is doubled, all other factors being equal.
Is that technically better? Not in my books, but it is a very common misconception.
In recording studio work it is more likely to be necessary and the convenience of not having to trace and deal with hum is often worth the degradation, but even in that environment the same misconception is widely held. In fact I had a lengthy online debate with an otherwise extremely well informed engineer about this very subject a few years ago.
Part of the problem is that balanced connectors look so much more professional than the humble looking (and flawed-in-its-own-way) RCA connector. They click-lock into place and all that good stuff, but if you are in search of the ultimate sound, you want to keep the signal path free of needless complications. Hum is seldom an insurmountable problem in the home, but manufacturers know the cachet associated with balanced and are only too pleased to service that perception.
I have to take exception.
All a balanced configuration accomplishes is greater freedom from hum and the like, due to the inherent rejection of common mode signals, like EMI induced hum. This can be an advantage only when hum is a problem or is audible, otherwise the signal suffers twice the degradation needlessly. I say twice the degradation because it is impossible for a signal not to be degraded to some extent merely by passing through any electrical device, be it transistor, capacitor, resistor, transformer winding or whateverr. Since fully balanced involves twice the number of devices for the signal to pass through, the resulting distortion from this is doubled, all other factors being equal.
Is that technically better? Not in my books, but it is a very common misconception.
In recording studio work it is more likely to be necessary and the convenience of not having to trace and deal with hum is often worth the degradation, but even in that environment the same misconception is widely held. In fact I had a lengthy online debate with an otherwise extremely well informed engineer about this very subject a few years ago.
Part of the problem is that balanced connectors look so much more professional than the humble looking (and flawed-in-its-own-way) RCA connector. They click-lock into place and all that good stuff, but if you are in search of the ultimate sound, you want to keep the signal path free of needless complications. Hum is seldom an insurmountable problem in the home, but manufacturers know the cachet associated with balanced and are only too pleased to service that perception.
Russell are you engineer?please tell me :green:
Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the M3 and M4 side by side?
Are we only talking a difference in low end extension (32hz. vs 40) or are there other significant aural differences. The Turbo-S version of each seems to use the same compression driver so I would expect the mid/upper frequency performance to be similar as well.
I have a fairly large open concept (living/dining/kitchen) space to fill but in terms of where I position my equipment I prefer the form factor of the smaller M4. Would the M4 with sub reinforcement provide most of the performance of the M3?
However, considering that there is only $500 difference between the Turbo-S versions of each, which really represents the best value proposition?
Comments?
Please tell me why you post negative comments that add NOTHING to threads all the time? I'm going to start reporting these kinds of posts because it's gone on forever and I'm getting really tired of the snarky attacks you post in almost every thread. And ridiculously, you follow up with some smiley emoticon to cover the blatantly negative posts.
Here's a suggestion: Don't post unless you have something constructive to add to the thread. IMO, your negativity is against TOU and seriously degrades the quality of this forum.
2. I would damp the back of the big woofs with EAR SD40AL. The woofs have a stamped frame and killing the resonances of the frame will result in cleaner sound...
Magnet and frame all coated! I let the compound dry over-night so it’s completely cured. VB-1 is non-toxic, it’s not harmful to get on your skin, and there is absolutely no fumes or nasty smell to deal with. I get it directly from Cascade, so at the wholesale price per gallon, the extra cost per application (speaker cabinet or woofer frames) is minimal. The benefits are much greater than the small initial cost. I used to use adhesive-backed asphalt or vinyl based sheets on the interior walls of my cabinets. As far as damping properties go, the VB-1 is superior. It also sticks better, and is easier to apply.
Please tell me why you post negative comments that add NOTHING to threads all the time? I'm going to start reporting these kinds of posts because it's gone on forever and I'm getting really tired of the snarky attacks you post in almost every thread. And ridiculously, you follow up with some smiley emoticon to cover the blatantly negative posts.
Here's a suggestion: Don't post unless you have something constructive to add to the thread. IMO, your negativity is against TOU and seriously degrades the quality of this forum.
Adding a subwoofer to the M4 makes the price difference disappear.
Tell us more, Don_S! Are you running your M4's with a sub, and if so, I'd love to hear the details. I've been thinking of going that route because the M3, I'm afraid, would overwhelm my little room (visually and sonically).
Thanks in advance!
Rebbi,
I do not have any Spatial. I was merely commenting on someone comparing prices between an M4 with sub and the M3 alone.
Rebbi,Maybe you should change that. :P
I do not have any Spatial.
Tell us more, Don_S! Are you running your M4's with a sub, and if so, I'd love to hear the details. I've been thinking of going that route because the M3, I'm afraid, would overwhelm my little room (visually and sonically).
Thanks in advance!
Sweet! :thumb:
Have you listened at all? You can still get a feel for what they do out of the box. :drool:
Received my M4 Turbo S today. Commencing burn in now.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142754)
Dear Audiophiles! :)
I am considering open-baffle speakers for my stereo music-only setup, and would appreciate your comments on the following, please.
Would you agree the imaging provided by both M3 and M4 is not as tight and focused as with box speakers which create a tighter image where it's easier to pin down where the sound is coming from? Is this a misconception? :oops:
How good are the M3 and M4 for big orchestral works with wide dynamic swings? :scratch:
What distance from the side walls do you prefer for your M3 and M4, and what distance from the midpoint between the speakers and the listener? How big is a sweet spot you have been able to enjoy? :scratch:
Would you consider Pass Labs XA30.5 power amp adequate for M3/M4? :scratch:
Please chime in! :)
These are not open baffle throughout the fq range.
I am not sure you would get what you are after with these.
How good are the M3 and M4 for big orchestral works with wide dynamic swings? :scratch:
These are not open baffle throughout the fq range.
I am not sure you would get what you are after with these.
I had a chance to listen Triode Master at Axpona. Probably the best sound of the show, but once I stepped aside the soundstage fell apart. This happens with 99% of speakers, of course.
All I am trying to say these are not designed like Ohm, Larsen, MBL to have omni or omni like response, but omni up to 800Hz (I agree, this is very important range) and controlled directivity above it.
You could always place an order and return them if you disliked the sound which I doubt, they really sound great.