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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: Danny Richie on 17 Jun 2010, 04:08 pm
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LS-6 kits are $1,995 and LS-9 kits are $2,695. All are in stock and ready to ship.
To make the deal really sweet, AV123 is selling some really nice LS-6 enclosures for $599 a pair plus shipping, and LS-9 cabinets for as low as $799 a pair plus shipping.
http://www.av123.com//index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=36&Itemid=37&vmcchk=1&Itemid=37
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Hey Danny, I am scared to ask as I really shouldnt be spending money right now, but what aere these kits worth when they are not being sold as a deal?
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LS-6 kits are $1,995 and LS-9 kits are $2,695. All are in stock and ready to ship.
To make the deal really sweet, AV123 is selling some really nice LS-6 enclosures for $599 a pair plus shipping, and LS-9 cabinets for as low as $799 a pair plus shipping.
http://www.av123.com//index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=36&Itemid=37&vmcchk=1&Itemid=37
Hi Danny.
The LS-6 and LS-9 are not shown on your web site,
where can I find info on them ?
Thanks.
Guy 13
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They are not on my web site.
I was allowing AV123 to sell them as fully assembled pairs, and you can see info on their web site from the link above. AV123 sold them for $4,400 apair for LS-6's and $6,000 a pair for LS-9's. If sold through stores they'd be at least twice that.
There are also many threads on them here in my circle.
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At RMAF 2008 The LS-9's were on display in a large room with a very large and impressive Dodd Audio tube amp. Myself and 2 friends auditioned them, as well as numerous other very high priced speakers at the show. Naturally, under show conditions, with different rooms, and different equiptment, etc., it's impossible to declare an absolute "winner". However, we 3 all agreed that nothing at the show, at any price, sounded better. We therefore concluded that the LS-9's are far and away the best deal (steal) in a set of ultimate loudspeakers. I would further suggest that , if at all possible, consider going with the 9's over the 6's. They sound a little cleaner, play a little deeper, and are less suseptable to height issues. If you are 5'10" or taller, you for sure want the LS-9's. I'm 5'10 1/2" and when I stood up in front of the LS-6's, I noticed a slight reduction of high frequencies. I was fairly close to the 6's at the time, and standing farther back reduces that problem somewhat, I guess. Also, I wouldn't worry if you have to sit fairly close to the speakers. Many say that you need to be back at least the length of the speaker's height, but to me they sound superb close in or farther back. (Dr. Sigfried Linkowitz agrees with me on this in regards to line source speakers)
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Is your main suggestion on going with the LS-9's b/c when you stood up you lost the high freq? To me, I'm only concerned about the seated position. In that case would you go with the LS-6?
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People (not me ) who have heard both the 6's and the 9's at Danny's place with the same equipment and in the same room report that the 9's sound better. The speculation was that the greater depth of the cabinet allows the back wave of the woofer to be better absorbed, allowing for a cleaner sound. Danny has said that he was a little surprised at the difference, maybe he will chime in. The other thing is that the 9's have 50% more woofer and tweeter surface area, meaning that at any given volume the drivers on the 9's are moving only 2/3 as much as the drivers on the 6's. You also have a 50% increase in headroom, and the 9's go deeper in the extreme low bass.
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The other thing is that the 9's have 50% more woofer and tweeter surface area, meaning that at any given volume the drivers on the 9's are moving only 2/3 as much as the drivers on the 6's. You also have a 50% increase in headroom, and the 9's go deeper in the extreme low bass.
OK. That alone makes sense.
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Also, the crossover point on the 9's is 850Hz verses 1kHz for the 6's and that could well be the reason for the performance edge that they have in detail and resolution levels.
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Also, the crossover point on the 9's is 850Hz verses 1kHz for the 6's and that could well be the reason for the performance edge that they have in detail and resolution levels.
Danny
I'm not being a wise ass here but why how does that make a difference?
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The tweeters are much faster and have less stored energy than the woofers. Plus they are less compromised as the woofers are at the same time playing down to the rock bottom while the tweeters are seeing little exertion at all. So the faster you can had more off to them the better it sounds.
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I've had both...loved the 6's, kept the 9's....for all the reasons noted above....
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What I meant, is, are those the prices that u will normally sell them at or have they been reduced at the moment? Or is it just that U currently have stock of them?
Ta
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:duh: I really wish I was in a position to pick up these cabinets and kits :duh: I have been wanting a pair of these speakers for so long.
Danny, will you continue to offer these kits or is this a 'clearance' sale. You must be getting some orders as we are receiving inquiries on our custom outboard crossovers.
I WILL own a pair of these speakers soon. Probably a pair of each if you plan on continuing to offer them.
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You must be getting some orders as we are receiving inquiries on our custom outboard crossovers.
Tell us about your custom outboard crossovers. Please. :thumb:
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Danny
How would you compare the LS-9 to the Super V? Sonically of course.
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We at ACA can also furnish the nicer bases for the LSs.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say thanks to Art (ArthurS) for allowing us to use his original idea and concept for the bases.
Without his approval and input, those wouldn't be a reality.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=31801)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=31802)
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What I meant, is, are those the prices that u will normally sell them at or have they been reduced at the moment?
These are the normal prices for the kits. Only the cabinets are on sale.
Tell us about your custom outboard crossovers.
Bill built some out for Art using the Mundorf caps instead of the Sonicaps. It gave them a different sound. They are a slower discharge cap that adds a little coloration. It is a softer sound. To me, the mid-range sounded pretty good with those caps. It made that range nice and smooth, like adding a touch of lushness. But to me it overly softened the highs and took away some resolution. Sound stage and imaging was a little more three dimensional with the Sonicaps also, and I am really into that. So I didn't like what it did in that area.
Art might can add some thoughts to the crossover differences. Art tends to lean more towards a softer sound than I do and I think he prefers the Mundorf cap version for a lot of music.
How would you compare the LS-9 to the Super V?
That one is really tough. They are really different, but both really good.
LS-9's do everything well. Detail levels are great and have a slight edge over the Super-V in this regard to me. LS-9's play down into the low 20's, but the Super-V is flat to 20Hz. Super-V's are a little more transparent. The thing that really separates them is that the LS-9's need a good sized room to really shine their best. They can also really load the room if it is too small or not treated well. The Super-V's are the complete opposite in this regard. They work well in any sized room, and won't overload the room. In fact they can not load the room much at all if you don't want them to. They are completely flexible in this regard.
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We at ACA can also furnish the nicer bases for the LSs.
Hugh - please post your for-sale notices in the designated locations. Thanks......
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Tell us about your custom outboard crossovers. Please
I will let Art and all the others who have heard the Mundorf Silver/Gold crossovers chime in here. They do add some 'softness' to the presentation and comes down to a matter of taste. Based on what others have told me, it did not roll off anything rather a different perception.
The other crossover is constructed of all ClarityCap capacitors and would fall somewhere between the Mundorf and SoniCap sound.
If you are looking for a very articulate presentation, the SoniCap is the way to go. I have built many SoniCap crossovers for many different speakers (including my OB-7's) and liked them very much so I am not saying our crossovers are "better" than the SoniCap version rather offering a different flavor.
My taste falls in the range of the ClarityCap sound which provides just a bit of texture and body as compared to the SoniCap version but not as warm as the Mundorf.
More information on our crossovers can be found here:
http://www.responseaudio.com/ls%20speaker%20crossovers.htm (http://www.responseaudio.com/ls%20speaker%20crossovers.htm)
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John,
Will do.
Thanks,
We at ACA can also furnish the nicer bases for the LSs.
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Hugh - please post your for-sale notices in the designated locations. Thanks......
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Hugh, have you heard the Super-V compared to your LS-6? I have the feeling that you might like the Super-V better.
Of course, now you have your own speaker brand. ;)
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Danny, will you continue to offer these kits or is this a 'clearance' sale?
2nd on this question...
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2nd on this question...
I keep them in stock.
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Don,
I heard SuperV briefly at last RMAF but due to the large crowd in Danny's room, I was not able to thoroughly audition them.
I should be able to compare them in my own home shortly.
Hugh, have you heard the Super-V compared to your LS-6? I have the feeling that you might like the Super-V better.
Of course, now you have your own speaker brand. ;)
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I would definitely be interested in participating in that comparison. :green:
Don,
I heard SuperV briefly at last RMAF but due to the large crowd in Danny's room, I was not able to thoroughly audition them.
I should be able to compare them in my own home shortly.
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Hugh,
Listening to the Super-V's from RMAF 2009 right now! Have the Dodd Battery Buffer driving the setup with my DIY Wolfson battery DAC as the front end. Music coming from a netbook, with a M2Tech HiFace USB to S/PDIF converter. Foobar2000 running as a music player.
Using Dave Elledge's diffusor panels behind the Super-V's, just like at RMAF.
They sound excellent here! :)
Also sending this response from the netbook at the same time. Now this is fun!
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There are still some left.
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There are still some left.
some left but will be staying around. right?
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I'll make sure to let you know Don.
Thanks,
I would definitely be interested in participating in that comparison. :green:
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C,
Good morning.
Listening in your room is the best.
I'll have my chance soon. :)
Thanks,
Hugh,
Listening to the Super-V's from RMAF 2009 right now! Have the Dodd Battery Buffer driving the setup with my DIY Wolfson battery DAC as the front end. Music coming from a netbook, with a M2Tech HiFace USB to S/PDIF converter. Foobar2000 running as a music player.
Using Dave Elledge's diffusor panels behind the Super-V's, just like at RMAF.
They sound excellent here! :)
Also sending this response from the netbook at the same time. Now this is fun!
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some left but will be staying around. right?
I'll still be stocking the kits, but there are a limited number of cabinets available from AV123.
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I'll still be stocking the kits, but there are a limited number of cabinets available from AV123.
Ahh. Once they're gone, they're gone?
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Yeah, I don't think that they are going to be having any more cabinets made.
Hugh will have a few LS-9 cabinets available pretty soon though. I think that he and Sean (Skiing Ninja) are going to be builing some of them out for resale.
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I'll still be stocking the kits, but there are a limited number of cabinets available from AV123.
That's good news. I bought a pair of the LS-6 rosewood but now I'm broke. :(
It'll take a month or two to come up with the $$ for the kit and the A/V-1RS kit I'll be buying also.
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That's good news. I bought a pair of the LS-6 rosewood but now I'm broke. :(
It'll take a month or two to come up with the $$ for the kit and the A/V-1RS kit I'll be buying also.
Good news indeed. I've got the same sort of story here. I grabbed two pairs of LS-9 cabinets for the theater, but then I stumbled on an investment I couldn't pass up (I "flip" cars on the side). I wont be able to build these out for another month-ish.
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I'll still be stocking the kits, but there are a limited number of cabinets available from AV123.
Danny,
Do you also sell single replacement woofers & tweeters for the LS kits? If so are they listed on the GR website anywhere?
Thanks,
Jeremy
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Do you also sell single replacement woofers & tweeters for the LS kits? If so are they listed on the GR website anywhere?
Yes I do, and they are not. They are only used with and sold for use with the LS series kits and are not for sale separately. So if you need a replacement driver for any reason then I have you covered.
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Danny,
AV123 only sent me 4 screws for each base (but I notice that there are 16 holes for the bases). Kyle said that is "all that is necessary", but It makes me wonder why there are 12 additional threads for fasteners. While I'm sure that 4 screws will attach the base to the speaker, do you think more would be needed to keep things from breaking if the speaker is leaned a bit? What I'm asking is -- Did you account for 4 screws in the design, or did they?
Thanks
-Mike
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I didn't have anything to do with how the base was attached.
Machine screws are pretty cheep though. Pick some up at the hardware store and add a few if there are inserts in the speaker to receive them.
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I did have anything to do with how the base was attached.
I assume you meant "didn't"? :D
Yeah, I can track down some screws.
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I assume you meant "didn't"?
You are correct.
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The LS 6 cabinets in Rosewood and Palisander are on sale for 50% off the original price. Then all you'll have to do is call Danny.
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The LS 6 cabinets in Rosewood and Palisander are on sale for 50% off the original price. Then all you'll have to do is call Danny.
What does 50% off make the price?
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399 for the rosewood and 299 for the pallisander. Looks like they also have a ls9 kit for 50% off but the price was raised to 1099.99 before the 50% :?
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They are really clearing it out and giving it away. If you ever wanted a pair of these great speakers, then now is DEFINITELY your chance.
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399 for the rosewood and 299 for the pallisander. Looks like they also have a ls9 kit for 50% off but the price was raised to 1099.99 before the 50% :?
Holy $hit!
Where can I put these? :scratch: Kinda too nice for the garage...
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I see $599 for Palisander Rose
http://www.av123.com//index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=16&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=130
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Apply Coupon Heat Buster at checkout for 50% off.
I'm assuming if you use these for HT you need to somehow get 3 so you can use one as a center channel? What about issues using them behind an at screen? I'm not sure if they will fully clear the wall surrounding the screen, but I haven't decided yet what material I will use. I'm just worried that the fake wall will change the sound different from the screen.
Additionally, any thoughts on what to use if you wanted to go with either wide or height based fronts? What about surrounds to match? I'm looking to replace my current system when we finish the house next year so planning it out now. Currently looking at the LS6 as I think that will do fine for my room.
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Apply Coupon Heat Buster at checkout for 50% off.
I'm assuming if you use these for HT you need to somehow get 3 so you can use one as a center channel? What about issues using them behind an at screen? I'm not sure if they will fully clear the wall surrounding the screen, but I haven't decided yet what material I will use. I'm just worried that the fake wall will change the sound different from the screen.
Additionally, any thoughts on what to use if you wanted to go with either wide or height based fronts? What about surrounds to match? I'm looking to replace my current system when we finish the house next year so planning it out now. Currently looking at the LS6 as I think that will do fine for my room.
I have three LS9's as my frontsoundstage and use a Seymour AV AT screen in my theater. They can build the drop to you liking on the screen so these will fit in your room. If you use a pre/pro with room correction if will correct the -2db that the screen causes in the setup. Things sound wonderful
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Greetings everyone! I'm new to this forum, and I just bought the LS6 cabinets on a wing and prayer. I don't have any experience with speakers of this caliber. I do own an MWF15, but my mains are Polk RTi12s (older version of A9s).
Anyway, I've always dreamed of having two massive towers of power in my living room, so I had to jump at this opportunity. I could never come close to building even an bare MFD cabinet for the same cost of these LS6's on sale.
It'll take some time to get the kit, but I'm pretty excited about the future potential! I'm hoping my Emotiva XPA-5 will power these nicely.
I bought the Palisander, even though the veneer cracks, because my MFW15 is Palisander (and cracked all over). I'm hoping the cracks won't be as noticeable, but we'll see. I find that unless direct light is reflecting of the finish, you don't really see the cracks. Who can complain at $300 a pair??
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Freerider, welcome.
These speakers are excellent, I own a pair.
The Emotiva will work fine.
Overtime, you should certainly if funds allow, upgrade your electronics. IMVHO, these speakers need a heck of a lot of money thrown at electronics to even think of being the limiting factor in your system.
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That is a screaming deal....finished LS6 cabinets for the price of the MDF and a couple of clamps. You certainly won't be sorry. I've heard just about all the GR-Research products, and I prefer the LS6's and 9's to all others. The V-1 may have an slight edge on accuracy of the lowest bass half octave, but not dynamics and imaging.
As a matter of fact, I just bought one of the LS9 cabinets- just too good to pass up.
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As a matter of fact, I just bought one of the LS9 cabinets- just too good to pass up.
Just one?
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Correction- 2 cabinets. I've still got the other one cut out, but I've not gotten the veneer to my satisfaction. Now I can have the 9's up and running while I decide whether to continue with doing the veneer, or sell the flat pack.
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Could a 50w tube amp push the GR LS6? I bought the Melody Astro 50 from engulfaudio.com at a small group meeting with Robert and just love it but wanted something like the LS6s, which I never heard of till the audio meeting. Also, is the kit the "best" for the speakers or is there an upgrade fro them also?
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I know that Danny designed them with a 50 WPC tube amp. The LS9's take a little more power.
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I believe Nhan is pushing his LS-6's with a pair of 21w Melody M845's. The 50w from the Astro Black 50 should be fine.
Tim Evans
East Street Audio
Onix, Melody, & ACA
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If you're keeping tally Danny, I'm building a set of LS-6's also. :lol:
This brings the tally to 2 pairs of LS9's and 1 pair of LS-6's that I'll be ordering from you when I get the $$$ (soon). :drool:
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Does anyone know of a way to listen to LS6's (or LS9's) somewhere in the Seattle, WA area? My wife is dying to know what I'm spending all this money on. She thinks my Polk's are fine (which they are, but I want better than 'fine').
I've been able to audition Axiom's in this area before, and that worked out great. Hoping to do the same with the LS6's.
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You and your wife are more than welcome to take a flight to LA to listen to my LS6 in case there's none in your area.
I"ll even pick you guys up at the airport.
Does anyone know of a way to listen to LS6's (or LS9's) somewhere in the Seattle, WA area? My wife is dying to know what I'm spending all this money on. She thinks my Polk's are fine (which they are, but I want better than 'fine').
I've been able to audition Axiom's in this area before, and that worked out great. Hoping to do the same with the LS6's.
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They'd likely end up returning home with some ACA LCR's instead! :thumb:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=31802)
They didn't pre-drill pilot holes for the drivers! :o
Be careful...
Ruben
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Is pre-drilling holes recommended to prevent splitting in the veneer?
Hugh, thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, with 2 small boys, we don't travel much or get on airplanes very often, but I'll keep your offer in mind.
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Ruben,
Agreed 100%.
Thanks,
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Ah, the joy of having 2 small boys. :)
I know the feeling real well since we have 3 boys ourselves (they are all much bigger now) and back then it's a real job to keep an eye on them.
I might be in your area pretty soon for a gtg so let's keep in touch.
By the way, enjoy and treasure your boys while they're still young and cute. The next thing you'd know, they'll be all grown up and big and just want to be with their friends. :)
Is pre-drilling holes recommended to prevent splitting in the veneer?
Hugh, thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, with 2 small boys, we don't travel much or get on airplanes very often, but I'll keep your offer in mind.
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Ruben,
Agreed 100%.
Thanks,
Reguarding your LCR's? :wink:
I can send you a self centering pilot bit that would save you time and minimize damage risk if you'd need it.
Ruben
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That too. ;) :)
Sure, if you can send me that bit, it'd help a great deal.
I'll buy you a big lunch at RMAF.
Thanks Ruben.
Reguarding your LCR's? :wink:
I can send you a self centering pilot bit that would save you time and minimize damage risk if you'd need it.
Ruben
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Looks to me like they didn't install the box for the tweeters. :slap:
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They didn't pre-drill pilot holes for the drivers! :o
Be careful...
Ruben
Is that a recent picture of the cabinets they are selling? If so, then we have a growing list of concerns...no pilot holes, and no box for the BG Neo8.8 tweeters.
I think that the tweeter box is a major issue, right? :? I hope mine doesn't come that way... Pilot holes are not a big deal for me, but the tweeter box.... :(
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It's been remedied.
Thanks for your guidance Danny. :)
Looks to me like they didn't install the box for the tweeters. :slap:
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They didn't pre-drill pilot holes for the drivers! :o
Be careful...
Ruben
Were those from AV123? Mine ended up having the pilot holes (and the box for the tweeters)... Both sets, in fact.
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That too. ;) :)
Sure, if you can send me that bit, it'd help a great deal.
I'll buy you a big lunch at RMAF.
Thanks Ruben.
Anytime Hugh.
Just tell me where to send it!
I'm looking forward to that lunch. :thumb:
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Were those from AV123? Mine ended up having the pilot holes (and the box for the tweeters)... Both sets, in fact.
av123 is having a 50 percent deal on the ls6 b stock cabinets! for 299!! IF I thought I could fit them in my hometheater I would jump on this! my room is only 18x20 however. Anyone know if the LS4 will be sold as a kit?
Don
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Anyone know if the LS4 will be sold as a kit?
I'd like to know this too. Danny, if that is an option, what would the price be? And do you have any measurements on them?
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I have an LS-4 cabinet setting here waiting for testing. As soon as I have the time for it then I will see what I can do with it. If it works out then I will also make it available as a kit.
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Danny,
Is there a detailed list somewhere of what comes in the LS6 kits? I'd also like to learn a little bit more about the crossovers in this kit. Is there information on them somewhere?
One of my concerns is that I'll have to have my LS6's 10" from the back wall, which I heard could cause boomy bass, unless the bass is tweaked by a crossover setting? I like to know more about that, what the setting does, etc.
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I'm in! Just ordered LS6 cabinets.
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Didn't you say that an LS-4 wouldn't have a good off-axis response? I wouldn't think that would work well for home theater.
I have an LS-4 cabinet setting here waiting for testing. As soon as I have the time for it then I will see what I can do with it. If it works out then I will also make it available as a kit.
That close to the wall a front ported N3 would probably be your best choice.
One of my concerns is that I'll have to have my LS6's 10" from the back wall, which I heard could cause boomy bass, unless the bass is tweaked by a crossover setting? I like to know more about that, what the setting does, etc.
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Everything that you need, minus the dampening material, comes in the kit.
The crossover must be point to point wired but is easy to assemble. I recently posted a sticky on how to assemble crossovers. You see it at the top of the threads in my circle.
Here is an assembled LS-9 network.
(http://www.gr-research.com/mis/ls9net1.jpg)
There is an adjustable bass management system that will allow quite a bit of flexibility in the bottom end. However, room treatment, tube traps, etc are recommended and will really be helpful across the back wall (behind the speakers).
LS-4's will have good off axis response in the horizontal plane but limited vertical dispersion due to it's short line length. So one must be seated with the ear near the middle of the line to get the proper balance.
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I would be interested in the LS-4 also. I don't think the LS-6 will pass the WAF.
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Please excuse my old age. :)
I just remember I have a client with LS6 somewhere near Seattle.
He's also waiting for LS9.
Let me ask him if it's ok for you to contact him directly.
Is pre-drilling holes recommended to prevent splitting in the veneer?
Hugh, thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, with 2 small boys, we don't travel much or get on airplanes very often, but I'll keep your offer in mind.
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That would be great! Thanks.
My cabinets should arrive tomorrow...I'm pretty excited.
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I have an LS-4 cabinet setting here waiting for testing. As soon as I have the time for it then I will see what I can do with it. If it works out then I will also make it available as a kit.
Danny,
That would be awesome if this was sold as a kit I would be first in line! Are you going to the CAN-fest in charlotte?
Don
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Danny,
That would be awesome if this was sold as a kit I would be first in line! Are you going to the CAN-fest in charlotte?
Don
Danny. If you are I've got a room & car waiting for you. No joke. I'm 20 min from downtown Charlotte. I'll pick you up at the airport and set you free. :thumb:
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Okay, what is the CAN-fest and when is it?
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http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83241.0
Okay, what is the CAN-fest and when is it?
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My Palisander Rosa LS6s arrived today. Here it is, in it's soon-to-be new home.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/TE4LxtbnBrI/AAAAAAAADws/xp0I9rEmzRM/s800/IMG_8969.JPG)
Here's what it is replacing (Polk RTi-12s):
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/TE4OugvdIoI/AAAAAAAADxI/dQNfs3o5D0U/s800/IMG_8975.JPG)
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Dang, that finish is beautifu!
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Can you really stick it in a corner like that? :scratch:
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Can you really stick it in a corner like that? :scratch:
Well, as seen above you can. Does it sound best? Heck NO!!!
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I would think the built-in bass management would help a little with placement flexibility. Setting it to the lowest level should at least mostly offset the effect of having it that close to a wall. I'd probably be more concerned about the wall to the left and the reflections/diffraction it might cause. At least pull them out a little past flush if possible.
Tim Evans
East Street Audio
Onix, Melody, & ACA
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Speaking from personal experience....
I have had my LSs for a little bit over a year now, and honestly had no idea how good they are until just a week ago.
Because of my narrow room and my projection screen, I have always been limited by side wall placement, but always had my speakers a decent length away from the front wall 36 inches or so....
My buddy at work told me about the Cardas method of speaker placement, and while I am not able to do the recommended side wall ratio, I did follow the front wall placement...
OH MY GOD!
Yes, they are five and a half feet into the room, but holy cow!!
3-D imaging and a much more balanced sound then I was getting before.
These speakers need room to breathe to really shine, God only knows how awesome they could be if I had the side wall space.... :duh:
Top tier electronics also help as well :thumb:
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These speakers need room to breathe to really shine....
My 9's are right at 7.5' from the front wall and around 5.5' off the side walls....KD nailed it, these speakers like some room around them, like many do....
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Well, until I can build a new house around these speakers, this is where they will have to go. I plan on heavy bass traps behind the speakers, so hopefully that will help.
They won't be flush, but there will only be 10.5" behind them from the wall.
I only need them to sound better than the Polk RTi's to make them worth while. Ideal placement will come when I build or buy another home.
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I don't think you will have a problem there. :D
I only need them to sound better than the Polk RTi's to make them worth while.
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My Palisander Rosa LS6s arrived today. Here it is, in it's soon-to-be new home.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/TE4LxtbnBrI/AAAAAAAADws/xp0I9rEmzRM/s800/IMG_8969.JPG)
Here's what it is replacing (Polk RTi-12s):
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/TE4OugvdIoI/AAAAAAAADxI/dQNfs3o5D0U/s800/IMG_8975.JPG)
An amazing design to be sure I sure wish I could put them in my theater room! Ill wait on the LS4 I think.
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Selling my Bose Acoustimass 5 Series II speaker system, to help finance my LS6 build. Anyone interested? Anyone..? :lol: I'll make you a good deal. How 'bout $1900?
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/TE6CrQTF4pI/AAAAAAAADyA/ZWNKJ2hHHec/s400/IMG_9017.JPG)
Note - Don't hate. :peek: This is intended as a joke. Though I am really selling this, this post is not intended to be a classified (especially to this crowd)!
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Selling my Bose Acoustimass 5 Series II speaker system, to help finance my LS6 build. Anyone interested? Anyone..? :lol: I'll make you a good deal. How 'bout $1900?
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_f_W2t7sM938/TE6CrQTF4pI/AAAAAAAADyA/ZWNKJ2hHHec/s400/IMG_9017.JPG)
Note - Don't hate. :peek: This is intended as a joke. Though I am really selling this, this post is not intended to be a classified (especially to this crowd)!
How about using the classified section? You will probably get more interest there. You have more of a chance to get more interest there.
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How about using the classified section? You will probably get more interest there. You have more of a chance to get more interest there.
My post was only a joke. I already sold it on Craigslist. I actually feel bad selling it to anybody. It was given to me for free, which is about the only fair price.
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I have an LS-4 cabinet setting here waiting for testing. As soon as I have the time for it then I will see what I can do with it. If it works out then I will also make it available as a kit.
Question about this. AV123 has these listed on their website as "in stock". Did you design the crossover for these? Are they waiting on you to design the crossover? If it does'nt work out curious what will happen with the ones av123 have in stock?
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Question about this. AV123 has these listed on their website as "in stock". Did you design the crossover for these? Are they waiting on you to design the crossover? If it does'nt work out curious what will happen with the ones av123 have in stock?
No one has these in stock. I still have to design the crossover for them.
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No one has these in stock. I still have to design the crossover for them.
Thanks! I thought I saw it mentioned that AV123 listed them as in stock.
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I'd like to start putting the filling in my LS6's. So far on my list of potential products is:
No Rez, Asphalt Lining, Polyfill, and maybe some other type of batting.
Can I get the experts' advice on which one to use, and how to properly apply it?
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If you are putting together a set of LS6's, now is not the time to go cheap and compromise the deadening material to try to save $50. Get the No-Rez for the main cabinet and poly fill or fiberglass in the tweeter compartment.
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In addition to the No Rez, I also add a very loose fill of poly fill or fiberglass insolation in each woofer compartment from the back wall to the front flare of the port and to the side behind the tweeter box.
The tweeter box gets a densely packed layer of the poly fill or fiberglass insolation.
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Thanks! So the No Rez...that should cover all internal surfaces that are not braces...basically the sidewalls of the cabinet? It should be applied with Liquid Nails or something?
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It is peel and stick- very easy to apply. You can cut it with a power saw, or use a knife. If you use a utility knife, you will have to make multiple passes to get through it.
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How much polyfill should be used per LS6? 5lb?
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I'm considering getting a pair of LS6 enclosures from AV123. Does anyone know if they have the radius on the back side of the woofer cutouts like Danny was talking about here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83841.msg815740#msg815740 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83841.msg815740#msg815740). Its hard to tell from the pictures.
Danny, is this even necessary on the LS6 or LS9?
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Does anyone know if they have the radius on the back side of the woofer cutouts like Danny was talking about ...
My pair of AV123 LS9 cabinets are standing in the living room, waiting to be stuffed, so I went and looked. I expected them to have round overs behind the woofer cutouts, but they don't :?- so I may try to set up my router and do a bit of work on them.
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My pair of AV123 LS9 cabinets are standing in the living room, waiting to be stuffed, so I went and looked. I expected them to have round overs behind the woofer cutouts, but they don't :?- so I may try to set up my router and do a bit of work on them.
That's a shame. Especially since the drivers are small and the front baffle is thick. Doesn't matter as much with larger drivers and thinner baffles (in that combination), me thinks :scratch:
Anand.
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My pair of AV123 LS9 cabinets are standing in the living room, waiting to be stuffed, so I went and looked. I expected them to have round overs behind the woofer cutouts, but they don't :?- so I may try to set up my router and do a bit of work on them.
Bummer. Maybe something like this: http://routerbitworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=FREUD%2085-364&click=1680 (http://routerbitworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=FREUD%2085-364&click=1680). I'd be worried about scuffing up the veneer, though.
Maybe its not needed, though. I don't see it mentioned in the enclosure plans.
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It's not as big of an issue with the LS-9's as the crossover point is 850Hz.
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It's not as big of an issue with the LS-9's as the crossover point is 850Hz.
So, for the LS-6's, you'd recommend going over them with a router? It still seems like a good deal.
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So, for the LS-6's, you'd recommend going over them with a router? It still seems like a good deal.
I am sure that I would be doing that with any pair of mine.
Be sure and tape over the surface so you don't scratch the finish with your router.
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This is interesting. I've worked on X-LS', X-CS', X-SLS', and a Voce and I'm pretty sure none of the woofer holes are routed out on the inside. :scratch:
Unless it doesn't matter for those.
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This is interesting. I've worked on X-LS', X-CS', X-SLS', and a Voce and I'm pretty sure none of the woofer holes are routed out on the inside. :scratch:
Unless it doesn't matter for those.
Odd, I spec'ed them out to be that way.
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x-cs classic
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss207/corndog642/x-cs%20upgrades/IMG_1990.jpg)
x-ls (early onix version) looks ok
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss207/corndog642/x-ls%20upgrades/50607123.jpg)
x-sls encore
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss207/corndog642/x-sls%20upgrades/IMG_1727.jpg)
x-voce
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss207/corndog642/x-voce%20upgrades/IMG_1691.jpg)
x-omni
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss207/corndog642/x-omni%20upgrades/8044c530.jpg)
Another x-ls classic I just picked up (Cali)
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss207/corndog642/x-ls%20upgrades/d93f5a8c.jpg)
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my non encoremtm's and x-cs also are the same as corndogs :(
:( :duh:
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hey corndog, whats the easiest way to get the felt out of the voce? mine seems to be pretty well glued on this speaker
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
There is no easy way.
Seriously.
I have a pair of omnis I'm dreading working on.
I usually start by ripping what I can out first by hand then by pliers. When I can actually see the glue I switch to a hair dryer to soften it up and a flat-tip screwdriver to dig it up. If needed I take a box-cutter and cut lines into it to break it up piece by piece. Expect to scrape the crap out of your knuckles and fingers unless you have some nice gloves.
When I have patches of fibers that I can't even grab with the pliers I grab my little palm sander and sand them off.
If the No Rez weren't so effective at what it does I wouldn't bother. But it is worth doing and you only have to do it once.
...per speaker. :banghead:
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My pair of AV123 LS9 cabinets are standing in the living room, waiting to be stuffed, so I went and looked. I expected them to have round overs behind the woofer cutouts, but they don't :?- so I may try to set up my router and do a bit of work on them.
Danny,
I am curious if this is only of concern for drivers that handle the ~ 750hz range ?
Or if the effects are evident elsewhere and over a wider range ?
FWIW , my UniAudio made x-cs's and ls6's do not have any round over .
However , my China made ls6's do have what appears to be a 1/4" round over .
How much are we looking to remove ?
Or what size bit would you recommend ? 1/4 round ? 1/2" ?
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Danny,
I am curious if this is only of concern for drivers that handle the ~ 750hz range ?
Or if the effects are evident elsewhere and over a wider range ?
FWIW , my UniAudio made x-cs's and ls6's do not have any round over .
However , my China made ls6's do have what appears to be a 1/4" round over .
How much are we looking to remove ?
Or what size bit would you recommend ? 1/4 round ? 1/2" ?
For the N3, the plans say to use a 3/8" radius, so I'm assuming that would be sufficient here. This is the best price on a round under bit that size that I've found: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Under-Roundover-Bit-1-2-Shank/C1662 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/Under-Roundover-Bit-1-2-Shank/C1662). If anyone else finds a better deal, or a better option, please post it.
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Danny,
I am curious if this is only of concern for drivers that handle the ~ 750hz range ?
Or if the effects are evident elsewhere and over a wider range ?
FWIW , my UniAudio made x-cs's and ls6's do not have any round over .
However , my China made ls6's do have what appears to be a 1/4" round over .
How much are we looking to remove ?
Or what size bit would you recommend ? 1/4 round ? 1/2" ?
My advice is to not worry about it until you decide to line them with No Rez, upgrade the crossover, or something like that then round over the back side of the woofer holes at the same time.
In the LS-6 then the crossover is already starting to pull the output down a little by that range.
In the X-CS the difference will be more obvious.
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I put in the order. Moho Natural LS-6 enclosures are on the way.... :D
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In addition to the No Rez, I also add a very loose fill of poly fill or fiberglass insolation in each woofer compartment from the back wall to the front flare of the port and to the side behind the tweeter box.
The tweeter box gets a densely packed layer of the poly fill or fiberglass insolation.
How much No Rez is required for a pair of LS6s?
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How much No Rez is required for a pair of LS6s?
You need at least 8 sheets.
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It appears the deals on the LS6 cabinets are over. There were complaints that no one at AV123 was responding to emails and calls just went to VM. Now the forum and main site are down. :oops:
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Wow...I might have gotten lucky then. I picked mine up from the Yellow service center on Monday.
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Count your blessing. :)
Wow...I might have gotten lucky then. I picked mine up from the Yellow service center on Monday.
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The site is back up now....
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I got a pair about three weeks ago and one tweeter is bad. No response from AV123 (concerning) but thankfully Danny has the parts. Not sure if I will ever recover my $60 from AV123 but regardless the speakers are rockin.
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Glad to hear that you could source the parts BYOB.
Hopefully Danny keeps these in stock so all of us LS owners don't have to fret over losing drivers. If my LSes went out of commission, I wouldn't know where to even begin to look for a replacement speaker.
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If my LSes went out of commission, I wouldn't know where to even begin to look for a replacement speaker.
ummmm.... GR Research? .... :)
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Well it's official now... AV123 is gone. I wish I had picked up a pair of the LS6 cabinets in Moho before they went under. I waited a little too long to decide apparently. At least I didn't pay for them and then this happen I guess. I wonder what they will do with the left over stock?
Robert
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Robert, sorry to rub salt in the wound but yea you should have picked up a pair. Good deal for me since my wood working skills are horrible and the speakers are simply amazing. The old line of rediscovering your old CD collection just came true for me! Thankfully Danny is still keeping the LS legend alive. They make me feel like a teenager again at an AC/DC concert.
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Now that AV123 is closed are the pre-built cabinets available from you that they had?
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I have no enclosures available.
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Robert, sorry to rub salt in the wound but yea you should have picked up a pair. Good deal for me since my wood working skills are horrible and the speakers are simply amazing. The old line of rediscovering your old CD collection just came true for me! Thankfully Danny is still keeping the LS legend alive. They make me feel like a teenager again at an AC/DC concert.
Yes loving my Stereo/HT setup right now after upgrading the crossovers in my three LS and getting my N3S that Ron built (which are fantastic review coming soon).
Hoping that Danny will still release an LS4 kit?
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I'm glad I grabbed my LS6 cabinets while I had the chance. It looked like AV123 was in a downward spiral, based on the liquidation type articles they were selling.
I was wondering, how come the GR Research website doesn't have LS6 or 9 packages and plans listed, if Danny is the designer and seller? Was there an exclusivity deal with AV123? Will they be available, now that AV123 is no more? Just curious....
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I don't think there was an exclusivity deal with AV123, they just were offering them completely assembled for a decent price.
I think if someone really wanted a pair they could get Fallen Enclosures to work something out; but don't quote me on that.
I think logisitcally they are not easy to mass produce. AV123 hit a major snag here, and was one of the things that led to their demise.
I waited almost two years for a pair of LS9s that I had ordered. In the end I opted for a pair of LS6s because they were in stock, and the writing was on the wall.
Glad I got out when I did, I might have never gotten anything.
I just replaced the stock AV123 crossover with a Response Audio custom crossover to amazing results. When I get some free time I'd like to do a whole post on it in case anyone was looking into other options.
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This is your last chance to get anything av123 may have had left in stock:
http://www.dickensheet.com/auctions/view/42 (http://www.dickensheet.com/auctions/view/42)
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This is your last chance to get anything av123 may have had left in stock:
http://www.dickensheet.com/auctions/view/42 (http://www.dickensheet.com/auctions/view/42)
I'm sure the ones who buy up the stock at this auction will offer it to the general public later on. You probably will have to pay a bit more ...
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Actually, they are albeit a little harder to handle due to their larger size(s).
The thing is nobody works for free so...you got the picture.
I'd love to hear your impressions of Bill's networks once you got enough hours on them.
Thanks,
I don't think there was an exclusivity deal with AV123, they just were offering them completely assembled for a decent price.
I think if someone really wanted a pair they could get Fallen Enclosures to work something out; but don't quote me on that.
I think logisitcally they are not easy to mass produce. AV123 hit a major snag here, and was one of the things that led to their demise.
I waited almost two years for a pair of LS9s that I had ordered. In the end I opted for a pair of LS6s because they were in stock, and the writing was on the wall.
Glad I got out when I did, I might have never gotten anything.
I just replaced the stock AV123 crossover with a Response Audio custom crossover to amazing results. When I get some free time I'd like to do a whole post on it in case anyone was looking into other options.
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I just replaced the stock AV123 crossover with a Response Audio custom crossover to amazing results. When I get some free time I'd like to do a whole post on it in case anyone was looking into other options.
When you opened the LS6 to replace the crossover, what kind of acoustic dampening material was in there? Also, do you know if they used the same crossover components that sell in Danny's kit?
The reason I ask, is because I just auditioned an AV123 sourced LS6 pair, and I'm wondering if it will sound the same as Danny's crossover kit with NoRez.
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I still can't believe it totally imploded for the reasons it did. I feel like such a huge opportunity was wasted.
My Onix H6550 with Ninja Rocket 750s were sweet!
Oh well my GR AV3 Neos will play much nicer with my amp...
Now what would those rockets be like with 500w of classD goodness? That could be interesting. Dang UPS destroyed them anyway.
Rant off
Robert
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I don't think there was an exclusivity deal with AV123, they just were offering them completely assembled for a decent price.
I think if someone really wanted a pair they could get Fallen Enclosures to work something out; but don't quote me on that.
I think logisitcally they are not easy to mass produce. AV123 hit a major snag here, and was one of the things that led to their demise.
I waited almost two years for a pair of LS9s that I had ordered. In the end I opted for a pair of LS6s because they were in stock, and the writing was on the wall.
Glad I got out when I did, I might have never gotten anything.
I just replaced the stock AV123 crossover with a Response Audio custom crossover to amazing results. When I get some free time I'd like to do a whole post on it in case anyone was looking into other options.
I would love to hear your impressions! I already replaced the caps (from Danny), but had planned on replacing them with Ninja's at some point - looking for alternatives. They seem kinda pricey
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Most of the auction stuff is large lots beyond the scope of what anyone can personally use, however, there are a whole bunch of LS6 cabinets that are just sold by the pair, I think they were all on pages 7 & 8.
I just sent the following question to the auctioneer.
I am interested in the av123 auction, however I need to know who's receiving the proceeds. As MLS was indicted for charity fraud, and there are so many customers defrauded who never received products or will it go to secured creditors?. To me it makes a huge difference whether the proceeds go to the defrauded charities, or will it just line MLS's bankroll?
I'll post their answer.
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Proceeds of the auction go to the creditors.
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I think if someone really wanted a pair they could get Fallen Enclosures to work something out; but don't quote me on that.
Yes, Sir!
I built these 2 pair for AV123 about a year ago.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e146/BUDDDA500/BagwellLS-93.jpg)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e146/BUDDDA500/BagwellLS-92.jpg)
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Can anyone tell me what the weight of the bare LS6 and LS9 cabinets from av123 are?
Please let me know for each individual cabinet and for each type of speaker.
Thanks
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Can anyone tell me what the weight of the bare LS6 and LS9 cabinets from av123 are?
Please let me know for each individual cabinet and for each type of speaker.
Thanks
The LS-9's are approx. 125-150 lbs. each.
China built 9's were more dense and thus heavier then Colombia's. There was a fairly significant weight difference between the two.
Ruben
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Thanks for the info.
Does anyone know what the bare weight for the china built and cali built LS6's are per individual cabinet?
Thanks
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I talked to Christina at length from Dickensheet, av123's auction company. I think if you have any questions, she would be more than happy to help, at least to be able to do a visual inspection. I gave her a bit of a rundown of who they were and also how things went down. They really had no clue of what they had or who they were dealing with. She's now getting up to speed to better answer your questions. I did give her some leads of people and forums to talk to, so don't be surprised if you see a post from her here. I know, to get the best prices, it's better not to invite competition, but with this quick of a sale, I think deals will abound. I'm sure some creditors would like to see this stuff not just given away, so they can recoup some money. Also, I thought if someone reputable picks these up, there may be another source of parts in the future. But don't forget about the Santiago family shipment Danny's importing.
Danny is right, secured creditors are first. She told me the landlord wants them to be out of the building by the first of the month, which is why this came so fast. I think with the short lead time and the way the lots were grouped, I doubt they're going to raise that much money. I could see out-of-state purchasers bidding on a lot, and then asking for the one or two things they really want to be shipped, and ask that the rest just to be thrown away as a lot of it is hardly worth shipping. There's lots of single speaker cabinets grouped with other single speaker cabinets. Kind of like selling a lot of differing Left shoes, without the soles. I'm not quite sure who's in the market for that. She had spoke to their lawyer and has a letter I suggested she post as if this money was going to go towards legal expenses, I would be less likely to buy, unless I was able to get something just super cheap. He did also say some of the money would be used for winding down business expenses, then if anything is left, to reimburse customers that haven't received product. The lawyer is controlling where the money goes, so I guess that's a good thing.
Unless someone local buys the LS6 and LS9 cabinets, I can't imagine a reseller paying shipping, and then the final customer to pay shipping as well. It just would be too cost prohibitive. Unless someone in a nearby state rents a large truck, so the first wave of shipping wouldn't be so expensive. If your local, then I think these large speakers could be purchased at a real nice low price.
They must have about 100 MFW15's, all without amps. If they were auctioning off good working amps for these subs, they would raise a bunch of cash. Otherwise you can buy one of these and do Seaton's $700 Turbo upgrade, or Danny has hinted he may have something in the future, but I don't think he's at a point to release the details. Any vague ideas what you might have in store for these boxes, and a price window you may be able to share with us, Danny?
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So for a pair of LS6 cabinets how much No-Rez and Polyfill should I get? :scratch:
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Also, do you know if they used the same crossover components that sell in Danny's kit?
Almost the same.
So for a pair of LS6 cabinets how much No-Rez and Polyfill should I get? :scratch:
You'll need at least 8 sheets of No Rez (maybe 9). Poly fill is also used from the back of the box to the front port flare. It is loosely laid in, but it is a big box, so it does use a lot of it.
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Thanks for the info.
Does anyone know what the bare weight for the china built and cali built LS6's are per individual cabinet?
Thanks
I bought one of the last birdseye maple ls6 cabinets. China built, came with ports, sides lined with felt, and polyfill in the back of cabinets and tweeter box. Weight 106 lbs each without grill
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thanks for the info mhawic.
Have a great night.
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If I lived in Colorado I'd seriously be thinking of buying all the AV123 LS6 cabinets in the auction and reselling them here on AudioCircle. Since I live in N. CA it's just too far to drive to pick them up. :(
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Just received my LS-9s from Hugh Yesterday. They have been plying almost non stop as I am anxious to break them in. I have Bill Bakers external crossovers for these as well. 2 years ago, I bought a pair of LS-6s from Hugh. Each pair run off a 600W/channel amp. I use a 2ohm taps for the 6s and 4 ohm taps for the 9s.
So far I would give the fit and finish a A+ for both pairs of speakers. The sound is fantastic. I have JL Gothams so I have the Belle Extremes turned down for bass.
I am not in an ideal room at the moment due to a remodel project but wow they sound great. Of course the better the recording, the better the sound. Pink Floyd's wish you were here was if I was in the recording studio with the band. With eyes closed, you can visualize where everyone is as they lay down the music.
As soon as I am off probationary status, I will post a picture.
Thanks Hugh!
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Cool news.
If you reply to this post by telling us what color they are, you'll be one post closer to picture posting status!
Todd
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Let me help you out 2112. :)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=43802)
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Very nice. I think i'll describe that setup as manly!
Todd
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Hugh -
Would you adopt me? :P
I have the loan of another members LS6s while he finishes off his basement, and they are amazing. I can only wonder what LS9s are like.
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I can only wonder what LS9s are like.
The same Just MORE :lol: