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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 11 Nov 2010, 06:02 pm
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BDP-1 – FIRST ONE IN THE UK (England)
James:
One word
SUPERB !
The BDP-1 Digital Player works straight out of the box…. linked straight into our office network and Andy controlled it with MPOD off his iPhone
Could be a real winner this bit of kit
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38470)
Miles
Miles Roberts
Managing Director
PMC Loudspeakers
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Bryston BDP-1 Digital Music Player
A First Look by David McCallum:
Bryston is about to launch a new Media Player designed for the Hi-Fi enthusiast that isn’t like any other computer-based, media-server type product I’ve seen. The concept is new, the design is pure Bryston and last week I got to spend five hours with the prototype of the soon to be launched BDP-1 Bryston Digital Player. In typical Bryston style, the new player produces clean, resolute & dynamic music. The most interesting thing, however, might not be how good it sounds, but what the BDP-1 does. Here’s a first look at what I discovered.
Bryston BDP-1
The Bryston BDP-1 is a digital audio player that plays music from a USB hard drive or USB Thumbdrive rather than a disc, designed specifically for playing high-resolution music within a two channel Hi-Fi stereo system. It plays digital audio from a USB drive and outputs a digital audio signal to an external D/A, just like a CD transport; instead of being stored on a disc, the music is stored on a USB drive. The media is stored, organized and arranged on the USB drive by the user (the BDP-1 does not come with an internal hard drive), and the player can access up to four different USB drive devices at any one time.
Once a USB drive is attached, the BDP-1 is able to play multiple audio file types including AIFF, WAV, FLAC, MP3, M4A, WMA with sampling frequencies of 44.1 KHz, 48 KHz, 88.2 KHz, 96 KHz, 176.4 KHz & 192 KHz, and bit depths of 16b & 24b, converting computer audio files into digital audio for output to a D/A converter via either AES-EBU or SPIDF (BNC) digital signal formats.
The BDP-1 can be controlled using one of four different methods:
1.Directly from the player via front panel controls and display.
2.Using a Bryston remote control for Play, Pause, Stop, Next and Previous (with Song and Artist viewable from the front panel display
3.A computer using a web-browser (EX Firefox/Minion or Bryston MAX
4.A Remote wireless device such as iPhone ™, iTouch ™, iPad ™ (Using Mpod or Bryston MINI)
Control of the player from the front panel and the Bryston remote control is simple, with functions very similar to a CD player. However, substantially more interactivity is available through the options of using a computer or a remote wireless device.
In order to be operated by a computer or remote wireless device such as an iPhone™, the BDP-1 needs to be connected to a router within a wireless home network. This connection is made with a hard-wired Ethernet cable that runs between the BDP-1 and a router attached to a wireless network. Once connected to a network, third-party applications are used to interact with the BDP-1, the hard drive discs connected to it, and the audio files on those drives.
I experimented with two third-party music player applications: Minion and MPoD. Both are available for use with Apple’s iPhone™, iPod touch™ and iPad™. Minion also offers a web-browser via Firefox for use with a computer. Although I didn’t spend enough time with either app to be able to offer a thorough evaluation, I was impressed by how smoothly they integrated with the BDP-1. Once connected to my wireless network, the system functioned easily and efficiently, allowing me to see all of the hard drives, folders and music that I had prepped for the session.
In addition to these third-party applications, Bryston is also working on the development of a web browser called “Bryston MAX” & an application for remote control called “Bryston MINI.” The prototype’s for these two features were still rudimentary but effective, showing a lot of promise. My early guess is that owners of the BDP-1 will want to use one or both of these two features to control the BDP-1.
Once the unit was completely connected the real Hi-Fi fun began. With two USB hard drives, one USB Thumbdrive and wireless control in place, I started toggling through the folders with an iPad™ running MPoD. With this application switching between tracks was a breeze. In anticipation of the listening session I had prepared a hard drive with a lot of music on it, including my entire Beatles & Bob Dylan box sets, numerous high-resolution audio downloads from 96khz to 192khz, and many of my favourite albums and songs. The MPoD feature allowed me to prepare lists, or to simply switch between songs on the fly. While I didn’t have a significant amount of time for listening, I did get to play most of the tracks in my test-music library, without having to switch between multiple CD’s or togglethrough tracks on a burned disc. The bottom line is that I was able to listen to a lot of music, and if time allowed I had hundreds of hours of music readily available at my fingertips.
In terms of its Hi-Fi performance, out of the box the prototype BDP-1 sounded excellent. Connected to the Bryston BDA-1 D/A converter I reviewed in early2010<http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/cd/Bryston_BDA1_DAC.shtml> the system sounded rich, full and very musical. I look forward to an extended listening session when it is ready for release.
I recognize that there are a number of media servers or hard drive based players designed for the Hi-Fi enthusiast already on the market, and some of them offer more features or greater functionality than Bryston’s design. I also recognize that some basic computer skills are required in order to both prepare and use the BDP-1 Player, which may result in resistance from many hard-core audiophiles. But ultimately the strength of the BDP-1 lies in the simplicity and quality of its design concept. While it is a computer-based audio product, it isn’t a music server or a computer being used to play music; the BDP-1 is exactly what Bryston has called it - a music player. It doesn’t store, rip, or organize your music. It simply plays the music at the highest technical standard available today.
I think Bryston has set out to do the same thing they did when they built their first CD player; build a product that maximizes the sonic capability of the platform, while building a device that is simple to use. In this regard the BDP-1 gets full marks. How it compares to other such products requires a more thorough critique of its technical operation and a more detailed assessment of its sonic performance. I look forward to addressing these questions in a full review, which hopefully will appear later this fall. For now, after a first glance my enthusiasm is quite high, and I strongly suggest you watch the horizon for the BDP-1 Bryston DigitalPlayer.
Editor’s Note:
I asked James Tanner, Bryston’s marketing executive, to come over to my house and listen to some prototype (very) high-end speaker cables and interconnects in a system with Bryston 7B SST squared amplifiers. He came and brought the BDP-1 along.
This provided me the opportunity to listen to this rather new source component — and I am totally impressed. The USB Thumbdrive held some of my usual listening material with which I am intimately familiar and, strictly from an audio perspective, I couldn’t hear the difference between my CD player/DAC/Clock arrangement and the BDP-1. The Bryston DAC was used for these auditions. I am not the a savvy digital interface user like David, nor do I know enough about its technology, but I must admit that the unit’s audio performance was astoundingly high-end — nothing short of stunning.
I regard the BDP-1 as the most innovative source component I have ever come across. I do not know why, but it seems that the unit is quite capable to “extract” the all-important harmonics better than most CD players I have listened to. Perhaps it is the absence or limited timing errors caused by CD transports; perhaps it is its discrete circuitry …whatever it is, this is the future of digital source components ..and it’s available now. The price (suggested $2200) is right, the technology is up to date now and it is ready for updates when technology advances further.
All I can say is : I want one.
Ernie Fischer
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MEMO - Bryston Dealer Feedback
SUBJECT – New Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player
Hi James:
I just wanted to pass along a few initial thoughts on first contact with the Bryston BDP 1.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38512)
First, let me say that I was quite skeptical of the practicality and usability of this device. Would it be inconvenient to use? Would it really sound better than other high-end digital devices that promise nirvana? Perhaps it was that skepticism that has caused be to be so blown away by the BDP-1. I was simply startled by how much better it was than any digital source I have previously heard. I might add that it sounds astoundingly good not just on the lovely 96/24 sampler you provided but, more importantly, on my existing 44/16 rips that make up most of our music libraries. There was a sense of analog ease to everything I played. I have recently retreated to the inconvenience but wonderfull sound of vinyl and largely abandoned my CD collection. There just seemed to be something missing.
Not only does the BDP 1 elicit that "missing something" from any digital file I played but I found its convenience to be very close to that of a traditional music server, but with a whole new level of performance. The many choices of control devices (I am married to the convenience of remote control) are well chosen and easy to set up and operation with my iPhone was particularly smooth and quick.
I have had the chance to hear most of the mega buck CD players out there and I believe the BDP 1 is superior at a fraction of the cost. My BDA 1 DAC seems a particularly satisfying combination, naturally enough.
You have produced a particularly brave product here. It requires substantial customer education to make sure that they understand what it is and what it isn't. In the end, once you "get it" however, it seems a particularly sensible and intuitive device that I believe points the way for the future of digital music enjoyment.
Thanks for a job well done.
Regards
Lee Fitzgerald
Commercial Electronics
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Soooo.....anymore thought to the pricing on a BDA-BDP package?
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Soooo.....anymore thought to the pricing on a BDA-BDP package?
We are going to do something once we get caught up but at the rate the orders are coming in for the BDP-1 it will be a while.
I am thinking of maybe a better approach would be a special promotion where anyone that has purchased a BDP-1 over lets say the next 60 days would qualify for the better price on the BDA-1 if they decide to add it to their purchase say within 60 days of purchase?
james
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That would work.
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It does not work if you have already purchased a BDA-1. :(
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Hi James
I placed my order for BDP-1 several weeks ago and dealer informed me it should ship next week
I am waiting to order BDA-1 when cosmetics are changed to match BDP-1 (buttons)
Would package price possibly be applicable in that time frame :o
Steven
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Hi Steven
They told me about 3 months before we go with the new buttons on the DAC.
James
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It does not work if you have already purchased a BDA-1. :(
You win a few......you lose a few, it's all in the timing. :)
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Speaking of timing...
I ordered a 110 Ohm AES-EBU XLR cable from The Cable Company (I didn't have one and of course I don't have a BNC/Coax cable) the same day that I ordered the BDP-1 from Audio Advisor.
So guess what shows up today (on a Saturday)?
(http://)
The cable won't be here until Thursday :duh: :cry:
Oh well, it looks nice and the serial number on the BDP-1 is cool: 000035
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Hi There,
You can use a standard XLR cable for the short-term.
james
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Thanks James, now if I only had one :duh:
I do have plenty of extra cables, just not balanced or BNC!
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Thanks James, now if I only had one :duh:
I do have plenty of extra cables, just not balanced or BNC!
You can buy a BNC to RCA adapter and use it :)
James
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Great idea - thanks James!
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James,
If the new buttons are available in three months, what will be the cost to retrofit existing DAC's + face plate?
Any further thoughts on a discount on the purchase
of both the DAC + BDP-1, like free cables for example...
I will be at Audio One this week, so I will try the BDP-1 with some of my own ripped wave files...
Ciao,
Luigi
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James,
If the new buttons are available in three months, what will be the cost to retrofit existing DAC's + face plate?
Any further thoughts on a discount on the purchase
of both the DAC + BDP-1, like free cables for example...
I will be at Audio One this week, so I will try the BDP-1 with some of my own ripped wave files...
Ciao,
Luigi
Hi Luigi,
it will not be possible to retro-fit the new faceplate on the older designs - just too many changes to make it cost effective. All the front panel sub-assembly and circuit boards have to change.
Please let me know what you think of the audition at Audio One.
james
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Hi James
Did you by any chance fit a xlr (short) jumper from the bda to bdp? so you can stack the bdp on the bda with a min distance between both.
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Hi James
Did you by any chance fit a xlr (short) jumper from the bda to bdp? so you can stack the bdp on the bda with a min distance between both.
Hi werd,
Yes in my demo system I have about a 4 inch AES-EBU 110 ohm cable I use.
james
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DEALER FEEDBACK:
James,
My customer has his new BDP1 hooked up and is thrilled with the sound ,the quality, and ease of use. Although he was not liking the new buttons till I had him run his fingers over them with his eyes closed to see what a a smooth transition it was from button to button. He is using BP Poweramp to re rip all his HD music.
He was using the Olive unit and was skeptical on how well the Bryston stacked up to it. Well, The Olive unit is now for sale. I guess that says it all. I will try to get some pics of the setup next week for you to see.
Thanks,
Ralph Schreckengost
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BP26/MPS-2 + BDP-1 + BDA-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38613)
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Distributor Feedback:
Hi James,
Just plugged in my BDP-1 sample this morning. It’s sooooo musical, but you already knew that! Even 44,100 flac files I have ripped sound great.
Cheers,
Harvey Gilbert
AMG Marketing
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Hi werd,
Yes in my demo system I have about a 4 inch AES-EBU 110 ohm cable I use.
james
Hi James
Do you guys include the jumper with the BDP1 ?
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BP26/MPS-2 + BDP-1 + BDA-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38613)
You guys should include different colors in your options. Cherry red, or a pearl in that metal scheme would be really nice.
Even pink...hehe
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Hi James,
I like the look of the BP26/MPS-2 stacked beside BDP-1/BDA-1 :thumb:
I got my BDA-1 this April but the buttons are different from the ones on BDP-1. How much does it cost to change out the old BDA-1 faceplate and buttons to match the BDP-1? Can it be done by the local dealers in Singapore or do I have to send it back to Canada? Or can I do it myself?
Thanks.
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Hi James
Do you guys include the jumper with the BDP1 ?
Hi werd,
No sorry - there are so many different cables and opinions we leave that up to the customer.
james
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BP26/MPS-2 + BDP-1 + BDA-1
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38613)
Two down....two to go! :)
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Hi James,
I like the look of the BP26/MPS-2 stacked beside BDP-1/BDA-1 :thumb:
I got my BDA-1 this April but the buttons are different from the ones on BDP-1. How much does it cost to change out the old BDA-1 faceplate and buttons to match the BDP-1? Can it be done by the local dealers in Singapore or do I have to send it back to Canada? Or can I do it myself?
Thanks.
Hi,
No I am sorry the BDA-1 front panel can not be changed as it has a totally different circuit board and front panel buttons.
james
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Hello James and hello Forum users.
I have literally just joined the forum, after following this particular area for the past few months.
I have had a BDA-1 for a year or so. And I absolutely adore it.
Almost straight away I began looking for a replacement for my digital transport, and the BDP-1 is exactly what I hoped Bryston would create.
I cannot wait until the Bristol hi-fi show, here in February. I envisage that PMC will have it there on audition.
Regardless, I will be purchasing it!
James, do you have recommendations with regard to hard drives and thumb drives?
Will I need to purchase a USB B to USB B cable, or should I use
a simple female to male adaptor on the end of the usual USB cable?
Kyri
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Hello James and hello Forum users.
I have literally just joined the forum, after following this particular area for the past few months.
I have had a BDA-1 for a year or so. And I absolutely adore it.
Almost straight away I began looking for a replacement for my digital transport, and the BDP-1 is exactly what I hoped Bryston would create.
I cannot wait until the Bristol hi-fi show, here in February. I envisage that PMC will have it there on audition.
Regardless, I will be purchasing it!
James, do you have recommendations with regard to hard drives and thumb drives?
Will I need to purchase a USB B to USB B cable, or should I use
a simple female to male adaptor on the end of the usual USB cable?
Kyri
Hi Kyri,
Welcome sir :thumb:
I have used the Seagate USB 2.5 inch Harddrives and the Lexor Thumbdrives with good success.
The Thumbdrive does not use a USB cable of course as it plugs straight in to the BDP-1. The USB Harddrives use a cheap small USB cable and as of yet I have not experimented with different cables. They way we extract the digital DATA from the USB drive though - through a buffer - I don't think it would make much difference.
I just spoke to PMC this morning and they have the BDP-1 in the factory and are giving it the once over. :D
james
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Thank you very much James - wonderful!
Then that's the route I shall take. I actually use a Lexar thumb drive, so that's one out of the way.
I assume that solid state would be the way to go in the long run.
Please feel free to correct me.
I will also try to have a very short AES/EBU cable made, since one unit will sit atop the other.
I own a pair of PMC FB1+ speakers and I must say that I am very impressed with the Bryston/PMC synergy.
I have been fortunate enough to listen to various mixes of these 2 families. And they have always offered more than the sum of their parts.
I've found PMC helpful & friendly, too.
Roll on February!
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Hi,
No I am sorry the BDA-1 front panel can not be changed as it has a totally different circuit board and front panel buttons.
james
I know its only aesthetic but its :banghead: especially for folks whom jump-in early to support the Bryston BDA-1 product.
I guess we just have to live with it :(
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I know its only aesthetic but its :banghead: especially for folks whom jump-in early to support the Bryston BDA-1 product.
I guess we just have to live with it :(
Yes it's always difficult when we have to make a change but sometimes the circumstances are beyond our control. It may not help but when I do shows with the BDP-1 and the BDA-1 stacked no one seems to notice the slightly different buttons.
james
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James
Will the buttons on the BR-2 remote be changed in future to match the BDP-1 :o
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James
Will the buttons on the BR-2 remote be changed in future to match the BDP-1 :o
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Not sure on that - I will check.
James
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Hi Folks,
Check out the latest issue (Dec 2010) of Absolute Sound Magazine. On page 152 to 154 there is an interview with David Chesky of Chesky Records fame. I was please to see his comment on listening to digital files:
“When I burn CD-R’s and bring them home they sound good. But when I take home a USB drive and plug it in all of a sudden the quality of the entire system goes up 25%. Everything locks in. It’s smoother, and resolution is increased and you hear low level detail. Things don’t sound digital!”
james
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Hi Folks,
Check out the latest issue (Dec 2010) of Absolute Sound Magazine. On page 152 to 154 there is an interview with David Chesky of Chesky Records fame. I was please to see his comment on listening to digital files:
“When I burn CD-R’s and bring them home they sound good. But when I take home a USB drive and plug it in all of a sudden the quality of the entire system goes up 25%. Everything locks in. It’s smoother, and resolution is increased and you hear low level detail. Things don’t sound digital!”
james
is Mr. Chesky using a BDP-1?
al.
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Hi Al,
He wants one and he has visited me at shows to tell me how please he was with the concept and implimentation of the BDP-1.
james
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cool! and hey...we all want one :drool:
al.
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cool! and hey...we all want one :drool:
al.
Yes one of the problems David says he has is that he sends high resolution files to mainstream music reviewers and their systems are not really of high enough quality to demonstrate the advantages or they are using sub-par computer systems.
He has asked me if we would loan a few of the BDP-1's out to help with the education process.
james
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Having listened to the BDP-1 for a few days, I have to say that it has easily exceeded my expectations. It is an amazing experience to rip a CD you are very familiar with (when played using a CD transport and the BDA-1), and then be flat out stunned by the improvement when the same 44kHz music is played through the BDP-1 :thumb:
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James
Will the buttons on the BR-2 remote be changed in future to match the BDP-1 :o
Hi nikon,
Apparently we have enough buttons for the remotes for a couple of years.
james
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Distributor Feedback:
Hi Brian and James,
Thanks for the "black" Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player.
It arrived the beginning this week and we been having a go at it.
The result "EXCELLENT".
Performed without a hitch (iPhone, iPad, etc) and the sound with CD rip is impressive to say the least. We have not heard before the BDP-1 existed CD Rips sounding so close to the original CDs on the BCD-1 through the BDA1.
In fact on some occasions we thought the BDP-1 digital Player with the CD rips was better! … could be psychological?
But on High Resolution material, the Bryston BDP-1 really shines!
James Tan
Bryston Distributor,
Malaysia
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Hi James,
Which format do you recommend for ripping CDs, AIFF, FLAC or WAVE and which ripping software would you recommend or you are currently use for CD ripping?
Could you also recommend some High Res music, title or ablums, so that we can demo the BDP-1.
By the way, not that you wouldn't know by now, the BDP-1 is a "KILLER" product, just the right product for the right job.
Regards,
James
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Hi werd,
No sorry - there are so many different cables and opinions we leave that up to the customer.
james
This quote was a couple of pages back talking about a jumper from BDP-1 to BDA-1 -- James had said that he was using a 4 in. jumper. In the December issue of TAS, Robert Harley made a statement to the effect that speaker cables and ICs should be as short as possible with the exception that digital ICs were best at 1 meter to 1.5 meters. Has anyone noticed that? Would like to hear confirmation/comments from anyone.
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Some say that longer cables (> 15 ft.) are best to attenuate signal reflections.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=49432.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=49432.0)
Others use RF attenuators to accomplish the same thing.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=87403.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=87403.0)
Steve
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Hi,
No I am sorry the BDA-1 front panel can not be changed as it has a totally different circuit board and front panel buttons.
james
Hi James,
Does the "different circuit board" mean a new Bryston DAC? BDA-2?
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Hi James,
Does the "different circuit board" means a new Bryston DAC? BDA-2?
Hi stratus
NO - just the circuit board behind the buttons had to change to allow the mounting.
James
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Hi stratus
NO - just the circuit board behind the buttons had to change to allow the mounting.
James
Thanks James. I feel much better now. :) I just got my DBA-1 last week and really do not want to see BDA-2 coming out in 2 or 3 month.
Do you know when TAS or Stereophile will give BDP-1 a review?
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Thanks James. I feel much better now. :) I just got my DBA-1 last week and really do not want to see BDA-2 coming out in 2 or 3 month.
Do you know when TAS or Stereophile will give BDP-1 a review?
Both Stereophile and TAS have asked for one and once we get caught up I plan to send them units to review.
What's happening the week of December 13th is exciting though. Rolling Stone Magazine wants me to come to NY to do a video interview on the BDP-1.
james
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Both Stereophile and TAS have asked for one and once we get caught up I plan to send them units to review.
What's happening the week of December 13th is exciting though. Rolling Stone Magazine wants me to come to NY to do a video interview on the BDP-1.
james
Enjoy your trip and interview! Your must have a lot of fun with your job.
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...are you going to wear your space dress, James?
http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=24521
al :green:.
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...are you going to wear your space dress, James?
http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=24521
al :green:.
Great idea Al - or maybe my firefighting gear :lol:
James
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Oh nooo ! Now it's official, you're all tempting me ! I hate you ! My wife's gone kill me if I bring this toy home ! :wink:
But, to be honest, having already a BP26/MPS-2 and BDA-1, how could it be otherwise ? (not sure she'll hear that :D)
OK, I'll try to wait... a little. I'm just a little bit disappointed to know that the front fascia rounded sides and buttons have a different design than my other Bryston stuff (my "old" BDA-1 is serial #000010 :thumb:).
While I'm here, I also wanted to give my answer to a previous post regarding the best hardware/software CD ripping combination. My best proposal would be a Plextor Premium2 with PlexTools Professional XL v3.16. This only-CD drive (only CD, no trade-off to make with the lens/block quality just to have DVD reading capability...) is the last one really built by Plextor, in Japan (yes ! in Japan, not a chinese scam), and PlexTools Professional XL is just the perfect soft made by Plextor to ensure perfect digital extraction using its drives.
As far as I know, the Premium2 is not available anymore unless you do a lot of searches through the web.
http://www.plextor-digital.com/index.php/en/Product-Archive/premium-2.html
PlexTools Professional XL v3.16 is available here (now free, but only useable with "old" Plextor drives):
http://www.plextor-digital.com/index.php/component/option,com_jdownloads/Itemid,55/catid,86/task,viewcategory/
And if you can't find a Premium2, I have no idea which recent drive is good at audio CD extraction.
As regards the software, using a non Plextor drive, my choice would definitely be either dBpoweramp or Exact Audio Copy. Both have the useful "AccurateRip" function (or "not so AccurateRip" function if, like Plextor, you have doubts in the absolute zero reference offset used by these softwares, perfectionists can see http://www.digital-inn.de/exact-audio-copy-english/28787-andre-wiethoff-who-feels-have-say-offsets-4.html or http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=62974)
Enjoy your new toys !
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I telephoned PMC and they'll phone me back when they're available to sell in the UK.
Has anybody tried a solid state drive with a BDP-1?
http://www.dabs.com/products/ocz-technology-120gb-vertex-2-sata-ii-2-5--solid-state-drive--oczssd2-2vtxe120g--72KB.html
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I telephoned PMC and they'll phone me back when they're available to sell in the UK.
Has anybody tried a solid state drive with a BDP-1?
http://www.dabs.com/products/ocz-technology-120gb-vertex-2-sata-ii-2-5--solid-state-drive--oczssd2-2vtxe120g--72KB.html
Hi terrycym
That's something I want to try next. Does this unit have USB out?
James
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It's a bare "disk drive" with a SATA interface.
They're designed to replace a mechanical disk drive in a laptop (say)
The advantage is that they make no noise and are lightning fast.
You can also put one in an external drive case, which is where I'm coming from. :-)
http://www.dabs.com/products/icybox-external-enclosure-for-2-5--sata-hdds-with-3-different-colored-soft-skin-covers-5GDD.html
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It will be very interesting indeed :D Not sure if the speed will make much difference but the no-moving parts and the reliabilty features are very seductive.
James
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My very thoughts!
Is there a spare SATA port inside the BDP-1?
A SSD would fit in there nicely - would just need a couple of runners to mount the drive onto.
Do I get the royalty on that idea????
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My very thoughts!
Is there a spare SATA port inside the BDP-1?
A SSD would fit in there nicely - would just need a couple of runners to mount the drive onto.
Do I get the royalty on that idea????
Good question - I will check.
no commission but I will buy you a coffee and donut next time I am in the UK :D
james
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Hi James,
Can you do me a favour please, can you give me a total height measurement of the BDP sitting ontop of a BDA, as I need to order some new legs for my rack and they are quoting a 2 week turnaround so I want to get the ball rolling, and after speaking to PMC today who told me that their BDP's are in customs at the moment so hopefully I'll get my BDP later this week, fingers crossed :)
Cheers.
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The BDP-1 is the same height as the DAC - 2 3/4 inches including the rubber feet and the faceplate.
james
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Have you seen the nice review of the BDA-1 in http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/, by the way?
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It will be very interesting indeed :D Not sure if the speed will make much difference but the no-moving parts and the reliabilty features are very seductive.
James
Uhm James...
Are you honestly only now thinking of this possibility? A SSD was mentioned somewhere on the second or third page of the sneak peak thread...
No noise, stable, no need to defrag ever (it's even better if you don't), hardly any power needed... The only downside: they are expensive. Although I don't really understand why, USB sticks also come in 512 GB now...
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We're not asking for Bryston to factory fit SSDs, just the option for the user to fit one himself.
Heck, if that scares you, you can get customers to get their dealers to fit the user supplied SSD
Any idea when BDP-1s will available in the UK?
Presume I'll have to wait for the Bristol Show?
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We're not asking for Bryston to factory fit SSDs, just the option for the user to fit one himself.
Heck, if that scares you, you can get customers to get their dealers to fit the user supplied SSD
+1!!!
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Uhm James...
Are you honestly only now thinking of this possibility? A SSD was mentioned somewhere on the second or third page of the sneak peak thread...
No noise, stable, no need to defrag ever (it's even better if you don't), hardly any power needed... The only downside: they are expensive. Although I don't really understand why, USB sticks also come in 512 GB now...
Hi,
Yes that was my concern initially- do we need SSD drives when we have such large Flashdrives available already - I am not familiar enough with the different technologies but it would be interesting to find out if there are any advantages to a SSD over a Flashdrive?
james
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We're not asking for Bryston to factory fit SSDs, just the option for the user to fit one himself.
Heck, if that scares you, you can get customers to get their dealers to fit the user supplied SSD
Any idea when BDP-1s will available in the UK?
Presume I'll have to wait for the Bristol Show?
Hi, I think they are in UK customs as we speak.
james
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Any idea when BDP-1s will available in the UK?
Presume I'll have to wait for the Bristol Show?
I spoke to PMC today, and as James mentioned, PMC have been notified that they are in customs at the moment so hopefully they shouldn't take too long to clear.
Just hope there is enough to go round, my name is down for one of the first batch though :)
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The BDP-1 is the same height as the DAC - 2 3/4 inches including the rubber feet and the faceplate.
james
Thanks James, I'm Really quite excited about getting my BDP-1 :D
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I'm not sure I'd like my hard earned flac collection on an SSD due to their life expectancy.
The static charges on the flash memory cells dissipate over time. I believe that stored data should last around 10 years depending on use.
Some kind of backup solution is definitely required!
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I'm not sure I'd like my hard earned flac collection on an SSD due to their life expectancy.
The static charges on the flash memory cells dissipate over time. I believe that stored data should last around 10 years depending on use.
Some kind of backup solution is definitely required!
Hi
1. Stored data of 10 years on flash or rotary drives?
2. If you do not access the drive - meaning it is storage only - will it last beyond 10 years?
I was told it comes down to the number of read/writes and that storage was not an issue if your not using the storage drive. Also when the flash drives go they can generally be 'read' but you can not 'write' to them. If a hard-drive goes game over because the mechanics are shot.
SSD's I have heard can last 10 years easily and the really good ones 50 years?
james
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Hi nikon,
Apparently we have enough buttons for the remotes for a couple of years.
james
When you run out of them I can supply you with some cool new old stock:
(http://)
Nap. :jester:
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James, can you just confirm for me please before I order this external drive that as far as you can tell that it will work with the BDP OK?
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/9752934/Seagate-Expansion-Portable-320GB-2-5-inch-External-USB-2-0-Hard-Drive-Black/Product.html
Just going for a smallish one to start with, so I can have a play :)
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James, can you just confirm for me please before I order this external drive that as far as you can tell that it will work with the BDP OK?
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/9752934/Seagate-Expansion-Portable-320GB-2-5-inch-External-USB-2-0-Hard-Drive-Black/Product.html
Just going for a smallish one to start with, so I can have a play :)
Hi Vipers,
Yes perfect - I actually prefer to use the smaller drives as they load faster.
james
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Hi Vipers,
Yes perfect - I actually prefer to use the smaller drives as they load faster.
james
Good Point, James, thanks, I'm finding this all quite exciting, it really feels like I'm about to try something quite different when my BDP turns up, it feels like we are really entering a new era of 2ch playback, can't wait to try some HD tracks :)
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Hi Vipers
When you add the music to the USB drive arrange the content in folders of Artist then Albums.
James
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Looks like the BDP-1 is generating a lot of excitement! I ordered mine yesterday - also ordered an AES/EBU cable from Bryston. I have put in a network drop next to my audio equipment rack and have some HD Tracks 24bit/96khz and Reference Recordings 24bit/176.4khz ready to go. I am in waiting mode.
Tony
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Hi Vipers
When you add the music to the USB drive arrange the content in folders of Artist then Albums.
James
Thanks James, Will do.
I'm looking forward to comparing the same tracks played on my BCD against them ripped to flac and then played on a flash drive and normal hard disk through the BDP to see what I prefer, from the early reports I'm expecting the BDP to be a bit special and I can see its main use for now until more of my kind of music is available in HD, ie rock, easy listening, being ripping my favourite albums rather than using the BCD, I guess I'll find out soon enough, found out today that my MB2i's, 7B's and hopefully BDP are being delivered on Friday :)
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Thanks James, Will do.
I'm looking forward to comparing the same tracks played on my BCD against them ripped to flac and then played on a flash drive and normal hard disk through the BDP to see what I prefer, from the early reports I'm expecting the BDP to be a bit special and I can see its main use for now until more of my kind of music is available in HD, ie rock, easy listening, being ripping my favourite albums rather than using the BCD, I guess I'll find out soon enough, found out today that my MB2i's, 7B's and hopefully BDP are being delivered on Friday :)
Terrific :thumb: - can't wait for your report!
james
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Hi James, have you compared a ripped CD played on the BDP, with the same CD on the BCD?
would also be intersted in your view.
Thanks
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Hi James, have you compared a ripped CD played on the BDP, with the same CD on the BCD?
would also be intersted in your view.
Thanks
Hi joey,
Yes I have, and I am starting to prefer the ripped CD played through the BDP-1.
The BDP-1 really has an easy non digital sound to it that seems to remove the slightly harder forward sound of the typical CD Player.
james
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Hi joey,
Yes I have, and I am starting to prefer the ripped CD played through the BDP-1.
The BDP-1 really has an easy non digital sound to it that seems to remove the slightly harder forward sound of the typical CD Player.
DA-1
james
Hi James,
Wouldn't the two DACs be a variable in that scenario? I know they're the same DAC but isn't the BDA a beefier configuration than the one internal to the BCD? What percentage contribution would you estimate the BDA-1 is contributing to the easy non digital sound?
Bill
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I assumed James was also comparing the BCD-1 and BDP-1 both through the BDA-1 DAC.
Steve
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Yes I compared the BCD-1 through the BDA-1 with the BDP-1 through the BDA-1 to try and keep things as parallel as possible.
I think the fact that the BDP-1 is processing the raw data from the USB thumb-drive and there are no moving parts in the BDP-1, is somehow providing a more relaxed less glassy presentation. The other thing I have noticed is the soundstage expands - especially front to back. :)
My Thiel 3.7 speakers have a tendency to sound forward and a little stark if the material is not first class. With the BDP-1 that problem seems to disappear even on medium quality recordings.
james
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From: David W
Sent: November-24-10 6:56 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Litmus Test - BDP-1 Digital Player
"Hi James:
I haven't done much A-B comparison with all my new BDP-1. So I played the Paul Bley (Owl Eyes) solo piano cut that I mentioned that sounds so life-like to me playing through the BDP-1.
Well, first I played the same cut using my Roku SoundBridge. All digital connections, but from my hard drive that is accessed from my laptop through my home network, and with the output to my BDA-1 DAC: the usual kind of music server you now find even in high end equipment. It sounded very good, but with something missing.
Next I tried playing the same cut from the original CD on my Theta Digital Jade CD transport, again with the output to my BDA-1 DAC. It sounded better, but still something missing.
Finally, I used the BDP-1. Clearly the best of the three. Again life-like. Again simply breath-takingly musical. I can't pin down what there is in the sound that makes it distinctly so, and so much better than the Roku or the CD, but my guess is that there is more to the sustain on the piano and the background being blacker than sin, and perhaps something I'm missing. It may be subtle, but it's unmistakable -- the way we know the difference between looking at a scene in a a superb high resolution photo or video and looking at the scene itself. The eye and the brain just know the difference even if you can't explain it.
As I said the first time I heard it -- the BDP-1 is a break-through product."
Dave
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What is the operating power consumption (in Watts) for BDP-1, BDA-1, and BCD-1, please? Thank you.
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Another query that has just popped in to my head,
I can see my main use for the BDP for a while, will be ripping my favourite tracks from CD to flac and playing back through the BDP, will the quality of the CD drive in your PC that you are ripping from effect the finished rip in anyway and if so how do we know which PC CD drives are going to give the best results?
Over to you guys :)
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Hello
Got to hear the BDP1 today. Listening to the usb thumbnail tracks provided by Bryston. Very nice, the thing i noticed was its immense sensation of air around instruments. I came off from listening to a Pathos/Martin logan combo. The tone was very nice on that Pathos intergrated but everything had a congested feel to it. Didn't really notice it until i heard the bdp1/bp26/28's/ PMC ob1 setup.
Good job keeping to the Bryston tone. Its works nice hear. I will start thinking about one after xmas. Unless James wants to put on his Santa hat and hop down my chimney..... he's welcome to do that. :thumb:
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Another query that has just popped in to my head,
I can see my main use for the BDP for a while, will be ripping my favourite tracks from CD to flac and playing back through the BDP, will the quality of the CD drive in your PC that you are ripping from effect the finished rip in anyway and if so how do we know which PC CD drives are going to give the best results?
Over to you guys :)
The feedback I get is the ripping software is the main concern not the drive but i have to say the drive in the BCD seems to sound better through the BDA than other drives i have tried. Try dbpoweramp - it works really well :thumb:
james
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Hi Folks,
Ordered this SSD today to test it with BDP-1:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP240/
james
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Hi James,
Excellent choice :wink:
-Greg
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Hi Folks,
Ordered this SSD today to test it with BDP-1:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP240/
james
Looking forward to hearing your opinions James, expensive, but if it performs better than a standard hard Disk then obviously that will be the way forward.
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Got the 240G SSD drive this morning - assembly and formating (Fat32) went without a hitch. Loaded some music - will report back.
james
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Hi Folks,
Well so far I am quite impressed with the new USB - SSD. It loads to the BDP-1 much faster and everything is improved in terms of the MINI and MAX interface speed.
I have some very reputable recording engineers coming over tonight and we will do some listening tests between the USB Flashdrive - the USB 2.5 inch Harddrive and the just added USB SSD drive - should be interesting :D
james
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Hi Folks,
Well so far I am quite impressed with the new USB - SSD. It loads to the BDP-1 much faster and everything is improved in terms of the MINI and MAX interface speed.
I have some very reputable recording engineers coming over tonight and we will do some listening tests between the USB Flashdrive - the USB 2.5 inch Harddrive and the just added USB SSD drive - should be interesting :D
I just ordered intel X25-M 120GB SSD to use as USB SSD drive and choose this as I can use intel ssd toolbox software to optimise drive as required...soon computer will use only ssd and all storage will be ssd :thumb:
Dan
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Hi Dan
Tell me more on this tool thing :scratch:
James
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Hi James
Found this manual on Intel SSD Toolbox ...
http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/intel_ssd_toolbox_user_guide.pdf
Steven
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Another bonus now with the Intel ssds is that they now supply Acronis true image cloning software with ssds. This is description of ssd toolbox from intel:
The Intel® SSD Toolbox with Intel® SSD Optimizer provides a set of applications to easily manage the health and optimize the performance of your Intel SSD. The Intel SSD Toolbox includes a powerful set of management, information, and diagnostic tools, and is designed to work best with 34nm Intel SSDs. The Intel SSD Optimizer utilizes the new ATA Data Set Management Command (Trim Attribute) to help maintain your SSDs performance at "fresh-out-of-the-box" levels, and is specifically designed to run with Microsoft Windows* 7. The Intel SSD Optimizer also works with Microsoft Windows Vista* and XP* operating systems as well.
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Hi James
What do you think of a Bryston SSD, the 'BSSD-1', with SSD internals in an MPS-1 size metal enclosure connected to the BDP-1 with a detachable USB cable ... :o
Steven
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Hi James
What do you think of a Bryston SSD, the 'BSSD-1', with SSD internals in an MPS-1 size metal enclosure connected to the BDP-1 with a detachable USB cable ... :o
Steven
Expensive at this point but I like it :D
James.
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Nice feedback from one of our Distributors on the BDP-1 and his customers reaction.
From: James Tan
Sent: November 30, 2010 8:57 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: BDP-1
Hi James,
Re: BDP-1
“People are knocked out with the sound",
You must see the reaction of the "vinyl" guys and honestly I feel some of their pain. Crossing their mind (vinyl diehard) now after hearing how the BDP-1 handles file music especially the Hi Resolution stuff, "what do I do with my "US10,000/ 20,000" turntable".
The BDP-1 really humbles them, they can't believe the sound is coming from rips, downloads etc. I see the BDP-1 as the turntable from the future, you select the Flashdrive you want to listen to and after finishing select another one. So far most people are open to the idea that the BDP-1 is a player without much resistance once they hear the first notes.
James, from the bottom of my heart, I wish to say, a big congratulation to you and the rest of the guys in Bryston for coming up with such an excellent product and having the fore sights and commitment to go through with it.
Best regards,
James
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James
ssd drives will degrade in performance over time if they are not cleaned up. Sort of analogous to a defrag of of a regular hard drive but for very different reasons.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738
There are several cleaning methods ,one is windoze exclusive "trim", the sandforce based ssd drives were generally the best Mac choice. The new kid on the block is OS independent and may be a natural for your Linux BDP-1
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4032/quick-look-kingston-hyperx-max-30-a-usb-30-v100-ssd
Talk to your hired geeks ... they know best ... Shawn
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James
ssd drives will degrade in performance over time if they are not cleaned up. Sort of analogous to a defrag of of a regular hard drive but for very different reasons.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738
There are several cleaning methods ,one is windoze exclusive "trim", the sandforce based ssd drives were generally the best Mac choice. The new kid on the block is OS independent and may be a natural for your Linux BDP-1
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4032/quick-look-kingston-hyperx-max-30-a-usb-30-v100-ssd
Talk to your hired geeks ... they know best ... Shawn
Hey -thanks :thumb:
James
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Nice feedback from one of our Distributors on the BDP-1 and his customers reaction.
From: James Tan
Sent: November 30, 2010 8:57 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: BDP-1
Hi James,
Re: BDP-1
“People are knocked out with the sound",
You must see the reaction of the "vinyl" guys and honestly I feel some of their pain. Crossing their mind (vinyl diehard) now after hearing how the BDP-1 handles file music especially the Hi Resolution stuff, "what do I do with my "US10,000/ 20,000" turntable".
The BDP-1 really humbles them, they can't believe the sound is coming from rips, downloads etc. I see the BDP-1 as the turntable from the future, you select the Flashdrive you want to listen to and after finishing select another one. So far most people are open to the idea that the BDP-1 is a player without much resistance once they hear the first notes.
James, from the bottom of my heart, I wish to say, a big congratulation to you and the rest of the guys in Bryston for coming up with such an excellent product and having the fore sights and commitment to go through with it.
Best regards,
James
hehe James
If you are going to write you own feedback you can at least come up with more original names.... :lol: jk
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ya that always catches me up :duh:
james
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Just a update. I now have the Intel X25-M 120 GB drive. The intel ssd toolbox software would not work when using usb enclosure. I decided to put this into computer I am using ( direct SATA II connection ).
I noticed that when I try to format 320GB or 500GB 2.5" drives that only format options available is NTFS or exFAT.
Will these drives work with the BDP1 ? I am still waiting for my BDP1 as they are on backorder. Operating system is windows 7.
Dan
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Just a update. I now have the Intel X25-M 120 GB drive. The intel ssd toolbox software would not work when using usb enclosure. I decided to put this into computer I am using ( direct SATA II connection ).
I noticed that when I try to format 320GB or 500GB 2.5" drives that only format options available is NTFS or exFAT.
Will these drives work with the BDP1 ? I am still waiting for my BDP1 as they are on backorder. Operating system is windows 7.
Dan
Hi Dan,
Yes format it NTSF and your fine.
james
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Thanks James
Do you know whether drive can be formatted exFat?
Dan
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Thanks James
Do you know whether drive can be formatted exFat?
Dan
No - Fat32 is OK but not exFat.
james
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Thanks again James
I am very happy with Bryston's customer support :D Always easy to recommend your product at work ( Pro Sound ). McIntosh and Bryston been favorite electronics for a long time.
Dan
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Hi Dan,
Yes format it NTSF and your fine.
james
James, I assume that the NTFS limitations that you mentioned in the "Preview" thread still hold true, as per this quote:
"Yes we have discussed the idea of the BDP becoming a NAS and I have experimented with transferring files over the network with good results so far. As long as the destination drive is formatted FAT.
A NTSF destination drive is an issue because Windows is so protective of it (read/write). Transfering from a NTSF to a FAT drive over the network is not a problem. Most USB flash drives are pre formatted FAT and of course you can re-format a USB NTFS hard-drive easily if your going to connect it to the BDP-1. "
Regards
Russell
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Hi Russell,
Yes if you see yourself using the NAS feature then the drive you are transfering too (destination drive connected to the BDP-1) should be formatted in FAT32. The drive your transfering from does not matter - can be OS Mac or NTSF or FAT etc.
Fortunately all the thumb-drives I have looked at are formatted in FAT32. There are also third party utility programs that you can use in Windows for example which will let you format a USB hard-drive in FAT32 as well as NTSF or EXFAT.
james
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Vinyl guys being swayed by the BDP-1?
This thing has gotta be good!
Can't wait to hear it @ CES!
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http://hifi-unlimited.blogspot.com/2010/12/better-way-towards-hi-rez-bryston-bdp-1.html
james
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Hi James,
How did your evening go then?
Terry
Hi Folks,
Well so far I am quite impressed with the new USB - SSD. It loads to the BDP-1 much faster and everything is improved in terms of the MINI and MAX interface speed.
I have some very reputable recording engineers coming over tonight and we will do some listening tests between the USB Flashdrive - the USB 2.5 inch Harddrive and the just added USB SSD drive - should be interesting :D
james
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Hi Terry
Went well thanks. The consensus seems to be the SSD and Flashdrive have the edge over rotary drive.
James
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Thanks James.
Was there much of a difference between solid state and hard disks?
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Hi James
Just I've finished reading this thread but can't find the answer I'm wondering all the way.
Does it play ape file(monkey's audio) or wv file (wavpack not wave) ?
Thanks
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Hi James
Just I've finished reading this thread but can't find the answer I'm wondering all the way.
Does it play ape file(monkey's audio) or wv file (wavpack not wave) ?
Thanks
Hi - I have not tried ape or wv
james
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Hi - I have not tried ape or wv
james
But I need to know the answer ...... got lots of music in ape and wv format.
I can't take a decision without knowing the answer, James could you please have a try.
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But I need to know the answer ...... got lots of music in ape and wv format.
I can't take a decision without knowing the answer, James could you please have a try.
Ok - I will ask engneering to have a try. Any particular reason you choose ape and wv over FLAC?
james
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good input, Asimov! seems that ape and wv are not too popular?
al.
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But I need to know the answer ...... got lots of music in ape and wv format.
I can't take a decision without knowing the answer, James could you please have a try.
Or just convert... http://www.audio-transcoder.com/how-to-convert-ape-files-to-flac/
Currently using squeezecenter on linux and it was not supported...
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James
What are current wait times for BDA-1 and BDP-1 from placing order to shipping
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Hi James,
Received my BDP-1 yest :D and sounds fantastic listening to the Chesky HiRez files, particularly like the Jen Chapin track.
My setup is BDP-1>BDA-1>McIntosh MX136>7BSST2 x2>Revel Salon2 & a Velodyne DD15
I've had to reformat my WD Passport 750G drive to FAT32 and am still in the process of reloading 10,0000 + songs so still waiting to listen to those.
I had hoped the drive would work in its existing format Mac OS Extended but no joy there.
I would like to put my vote in for the development of the use of a NAS device as this would make regularly updating my music library much more convenient.
I have one question regarding the Bryston web app. On the start page there is a link to "Settings", when I click on this I'm asked for a u/n and password. I might have missed it but I cant find this documented anywhere. What is the u/n and pw that needs to be entered?
Well done on creating a great product, I'm looking forward to re-exploring my music again over the next few weeks.
Scott
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Hi Scott
Great to hear they finally got to Australia :D Glad your enjoying the sound - that was my major goal with the BDP.
The default password and username is bryston. As we go along it will allow for different features to be added.
I would recommend two smaller drives rather than one large one as the load times and flexibility are better. I have a new SSD 240G and the load time is much faster than the rotary drives.
ENJOY :thumb:
James
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Hi Scott
Great to hear they finally got to Australia :D Glad your enjoying the sound - that was my major goal with the BDP. The default password and username is bryston. As we go along it will allow for different features to be added.
I would recommend two smaller drives rather than one large one as the load times and flexibility are better. I have a new SSD 240G and the load time is much faster than the rotary drives.
ENJOY :thumb:
James
I thought the major goal was to get me one for xmas Santa James?
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I thought the major goal was to get me one for xmas Santa James?
Hi werd,
OOPs - sorry I forgot :duh:
james
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I thought the major goal was to get me one for xmas Santa James?
Butbutbut... What about me? :(
I even am kinda responsible for one of the features: the display... Without me I kinda doubt it would have been there...
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I ordered one in October and hope to see it under the tree on Christmas morning ! :thumb:
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Hi werd,
OOPs - sorry I forgot :duh:
james
for free !!!
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Hi Folks,
I downloaded the new Diana Krall Christmas 96/24 CD from HD Tracks yesterday - boy it sounded good.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39710)
Then I saw a dynamic range graph measurement of the CD version vs the HD download version and the CD version was seriously compressed and clipping on the peaks. :icon_surprised:
I am thinking that one of the main benefits going forward with downloadable digital files (even 44.1/16bit versions) off the master tape will be at least the full dynamic range of the Master will be maintained. :thumb:
james
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What a coincidence,and Visa just increased my credit limit,how can I sneak this one in.
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I picked-up my BDP-1 on Monday... and had a few issues because it had "old" firmware installed. But, a few e-mails back and forth with James has fixed all of the issues. Spent a few hours last night with the intension of doing some comparisons with my other sources, but got lost in the music :D
The only conclusion that I have come to so far, is that it blows away my aging Tag McLaren DVD32R in terms of pure music quality. As James has already mentioned, the Diana Krall 24/96 album is magical... another from HDTracks is Carla Lother - 100 Lovers, highly recommended.
Maybe I'll get around to doing the comparison with my other sources... but it could take a while.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39743)
Regards
Russell
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Hi Russell,
Thanks for the feedback - at this point I believe you have the ONLY BDP-1 in the UK :thumb:
james
PS - I will check out the Carla Lother.
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Hi Folks,
I downloaded the new Diana Krall Christmas 96/24 CD from HD Tracks yesterday - boy it sounded good.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39710)
Then I saw a dynamic range graph measurement of the CD version vs the HD download version and the CD version was seriously compressed and clipping on the peaks. :icon_surprised:
I am thinking that one of the main benefits going forward with downloadable digital files (even 44.1/16bit versions) off the master tape will be at least the full dynamic range of the Master will be maintained. :thumb:
james
Hi Santa James
Why don't you include this recording on your usb stick through xmas?
werd (head elf)
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Ok - I will ask engneering to have a try. Any particular reason you choose ape and wv over FLAC?
james
Not really, I've some collection in ape and wv format and don't want to convert to flac for quality issue.
How to browse song list/music library stored in external HD of BDP-1 through BR2 remote, it has no display !!
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Not really, I've some collection in ape and wv format and don't want to convert to flac for quality issue.
How to browse song list/music library stored in external HD of BDP-1 through BR2 remote, it has no display !!
Hi,
Sorry - tried ape and wv - does not work.
james
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I have been asked so here are the graphs of the Diana Krall Jingle Bells cut on the CD vs the HD 96/24 download. CD is the top two traces (left and right channel) and HD 96/24 the bottom two traces.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39753)
james
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James,
I can't really read the legends of those screenprints. It looks like the CD has greater volume amplitude than the downloaded 24/96, but what exactly is the vertical axis?
Steve
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Oh bugger! I should have stopped following this thread, because I am now severely edgy. I want to be No. 2 in the UK. I can't wait.
I'll get my order in in the new year. And hope that I won't be waiting too long.
James, I'm very glad I asked you about the solid state drive, all those pages ago. I now have a great deal more information and can get prepared properly, before the BDP-1 arrives.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39710)
Funny you're mentioning this one. I got my copy and I'm quite puzzled as it came with this cover:
(http://)
All my friends have the one with the green dress.
I must be special.
Nap. :scratch:
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James,
I can't really read the legends of those screenprints. It looks like the CD has greater volume amplitude than the downloaded 24/96, but what exactly is the vertical axis?
Steve
This website (http://www.turnmeup.org/) explains everything.
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James,
I can't really read the legends of those screenprints. It looks like the CD has greater volume amplitude than the downloaded 24/96, but what exactly is the vertical axis?
Steve
Hi Steve,
As I understand it the CD sounds 'LOUDER' but.... at the expense of 'DYNAMIC RANGE' :duh:
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=39757)
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This website (http://www.turnmeup.org/) explains everything.
That is an excellent explanation of the effect of compression on recordings. Thanks!
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Hi Steve,
As I understand it the CD sounds 'LOUDER' but.... at the expense on DYNAMIC RANGE :duhjames
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That is a huge issue at the moment. Plenty of CDs are compressed to the point of pointlessness. It ruins the sound.
The sound level is so high now that dynamics aren't particularly so. The music is just LOUD!
Metallica's Death Mgnetic is a very good example. The first time that played through my system my ears almost imploded.
And the dynamics are rife with distortion.
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Hi Steve,
As I understand it the CD sounds 'LOUDER' but.... at the expense of 'DYNAMIC RANGE' :duh:
james
James, I don't see how the 24 bit material is well engineered either. Ideally the most extreme peaks should just touch the limits. Thus allowing for the small details to be higher in amplitude and thus resolved on more bits (reducing "quantization noise").
Also please enlarge a little bit the 24 bit graph. I want to see if it's just not the same 16 bit version, with 4 bits of nothing added to each side. Thus the "clipping" would still be there.
Nap.
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James, I don't see how the 24 bit material is well engineered either. Ideally the most extreme peaks should just touch the limits. Thus allowing for the small details to be higher in amplitude and thus resolved on more bits (reducing "quantization noise").
Also please enlarge a little bit the 24 bit graph. I want to see if it's just not the same 16 bit version, with 4 bits of nothing added to each side. Thus the "clipping" would still be there.
Nap.
The graphs were set to me so I will ask.
james
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This website (http://www.turnmeup.org/) explains everything.
EXCELLENT - it sure explains a lot :thumb:
james
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Q for James,James are the 19" rackmount face plates available for the BDP-1 yet,thanks.
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Q for James,James are the 19" rackmount face plates available for the BDP-1 yet,thanks.
Not yet.
james
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Hi Russell,
Thanks for the feedback - at this point I believe you have the ONLY BDP-1 in the UK :thumb:
james
Russell's certainly a lucky man, I've had my BDP on order for a while now and have been told by PMC it will be available on the 17th Dec, can't wait, a very nice xmas pressie + my wife has just blagged 25 1GB memory sticks from work, time to start ripping, just need to find a decent way to store them, I'm thinking along the lines of the wooden box Dexter uses to store the blood samples of his victims, I'm talking abouth the hit TV programme here, just incase someone thinks Dexter is a forum member :)
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OK, so here's some stuff I prepared for you. This is a track from Elina Garanca's "Habanera" that I mentioned in the "What are you listening to" thread.
The upper graph shows the original track as recorded by Deutsche Gramophon. Very dynamic, no clipping, great mastering.
The lower graph is the same track after run through a compressor filter (as seen in the smaller window). If you're gentle, you can increase loudness without clipping.
For clipping you have to also go medieval on the output gain control. Which is kinda stupid thing to do but hey that's all the rage these days in poor recording studios.
(http://)
Nap.
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And here is a detail to see what happened to the peaks. No clipping. So now we have more "loudness" (at the expense of dynamics) but we didn't distort the peaks. I wonder why the "professional" studios don't do it this way. Bozos.
(http://)
Nap.
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My point exactly. Well said.
Isn't it sad, though?
Given the quality of hi-fi equipment, we are still ultimately at the mercy of recording engineers. Ouch!
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And here is Diana's "Jingle Bells" that James posted, at similar scale as in James' pic:
(http://)
and a detail from the most offending portion:
(http://)
CLIPPING!!!
But I still don't understand why my cover art shows her in a red dress instead of green as everyone else's :scratch:
Nap.
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And here is Diana's "Jingle Bells" that James posted, at similar scale as in James' pic:
(http://)
and a detail from the most offending portion:
(http://)
CLIPPING!!!
But I still don't understand why my cover art shows her in a red dress instead of green as everyone else's :scratch:
Nap.
Hi Nap,
The Red dress is the 128KBS and the Green dress 192/24 :D
james
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Hi Nap,
The Red dress is the 128KBS and the Green dress 192/24 :D
james
By this can we conclude that Green is superior to red?!
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By this can we conclude that Green is superior to red?!
These differ very slightly in temperature with the green being hotter. :drool:
And BTW the red dress is on the back of the green dress cover -- you get them both :D
Tony
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These differ very slightly in temperature with the green being hotter. :drool:
And BTW the red dress is on the back of the green dress cover -- you get them both :D
Tony
So the answer comes down to basic stupidity?!
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These differ very slightly in temperature with the green being hotter. :drool:
:eyebrows:
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Now a serious question: would anyone here be interested in running digital filters (such as tone controls, EQ, compressors etc) on their BDP-1? Like in real-time filters (the file stays unmodified)?
Nap.
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Since in another thread I mentioned "Devil May Care" as one of Diana's best sounding tracks, now I was curious how it was mastered. Here it is:
(http://)
Good stuff, I think they did some "loudness" but nothing excessive. As for the peaks, a few of them just touch the limit, without any clipping. All in all a job well done.
Nap.
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James, I have this nice notebook with this nice sound processing software and a large drive, how do I connect it to the BDA-1, as the only digital output is Displayport (no SPDIF coax/optical)?
Nap. :scratch:
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James, I have this nice notebook with this nice sound processing software and a large drive, how do I connect it to the BDA-1, as the only digital output is Displayport (no SPDIF coax/optical)?
Nap. :scratch:
What's a display port?
james
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What's a display port?
james
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
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What's a display port?
james
It's the new thing that is supposed to replace HDMI. There are Displayport -> HDMI adapters but that's about all I can do.
Nap.
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A Display Port is the VIDEO standard that Apple has been using for a few years, and with the proper adapter or cable, supports HDMI, DVI or VGA display connections (or direct to Display Port equipped monitors, like Apple's cinema displays). There is no audio out on a Display Port.
The laptop can connect to the BDA-1 via USB for 16/48. Anything higher and you will need an external USB to S/PDIF converter. Apple laptops and some PC laptops have a combination S/PDIF Mini-Toslink optical output combined within the headphone jack. Does yours?
Steve
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There is not audio out on a Display Port.
Steve
Yes there is. Multichannel. I can get it producing sound through a Displayport -> HDMI adapter and a Denon HT receiver. So the sound is there.
Nap.
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PC laptops have a combination S/PDIF Mini-Toslink optical output combined within the headphone jack. Does yours?
Steve
Nope. The jack is analog only. And kinda' sucks at it.
Nap.
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It's the new thing that is supposed to replace HDMI. There are Displayport -> HDMI adapters but that's about all I can do.
Nap.
Then you get an HDMI audio de-embedder -
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2
It sounds best without an HDMI cable connected at the output for some reason. It will handle 192kHz audio. It is made by Port-ta, a company based on the Far East and they sell it under model no. PET4000. I have both the Monoprice and Port-ta devices and they appear identical. I use it with an Oppo Blu-Ray player to extract 88.2kHz PCM from SACD and upconvert it in the BDA-1.
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Here's the page on the Port-ta product - http://www.port-ta.com/products/203.html
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Here's the page on the Port-ta product - http://www.port-ta.com/products/203.html
:thankyou:
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The interesting thing is that the coax digital out of the HDMI audio de-embedder to my ears actually sounds a bit better than going through the Oppo (which I guess was built with emphasis on output via HDMI). I think they are great for cheap product. I actually might pick up a Sony 370 Blu-Ray player (open box buys are $80 and the player seem to sell everywhere for $100 now) which is supposed to convert SACD to 176.4kHz PCM.
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Now a serious question: would anyone here be interested in running digital filters (such as tone controls, EQ, compressors etc) on their BDP-1? Like in real-time filters (the file stays unmodified)?
Nap.
Hi Napalm, sounds interesting. Especially for those poor quality CDs resulting from the "loudness" affliction, of course I appreciate that there's little that can be done to add back the missing information but the BDP-1 does seem to expose those ripped CDs for what they are: crap recordings. Real-time filters could improve the situation, and add another element to the BDP-1.
Regards
Russell
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Having listened to the BDP-1 for a few days, I have to say that it has easily exceeded my expectations. It is an amazing experience to rip a CD you are very familiar with (when played using a CD transport and the BDA-1), and then be flat out stunned by the improvement when the same 44kHz music is played through the BDP-1 :thumb:
Heard the combo at the dealer's showroom paired with the new PMC FB1i Signature and I was extremely impressed. Then today my dealer brought it over to my listening room and I was seduced by the combo. It has incredible clarity and details without the digital glare. Horns have the attack and bite but without the sharp piercing sound that i usually get when playing computer audio. Vocals were clear full body not sterile with a tinge of warmth. I was thinking to myself is this digital? This I am referring to CD rips. For the Hi-rez downloads its another level all together. You just have to hear it for yourself at 192kHz rate. It is truly stunning. Computer audiophiles should test drive this new "digital turntable" of the future :lol:
I usually take my time when it comes to purchasing new gear, wait for more feedback and user reviews but I came away so impressed that I gave in to my impulse and paid for the combo on the spot.
I have ordered the black face plate combo :) which I have been given to understand is not the default colour for Asia and will take some time to arrive :scratch: It can't arrive soon enough :D
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This forum is BDP-1 feedback so as someone who has used the BDP-1 for several weeks I'm offering my feedback:
My system is BDP-1 -> BDA-1 -> BP26 -> 2x 7BSST2 -> 2x B&W802D
The sound: Amazing.
Ease of Use (i.e., User Interface: Mini-Max ... front panel): Caveman.
Bottom line: The sound is great but don't expect to easily manage a music library. If sound is the top priority then the BDP-1 is definitely the way to go.
NOTE: I rip my CD's to FLAC and listen to them through the BDP-1. I've been through 3 iterations of ripping my CD's and am suggesting that you use dbPoweramp as it somehow works noticeably better than the others that I have tried.
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Rupret,
what do you mean by "don't expect to easily manage a music library"?
al.
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This forum is BDP-1 feedback so as someone who has used the BDP-1 for several weeks I'm offering my feedback:
My system is BDP-1 -> BDA-1 -> BP26 -> 2x 7BSST2 -> 2x B&W802D
The sound: Amazing.
Ease of Use (i.e., User Interface: Mini-Max ... front panel): Caveman.
Bottom line: The sound is great but don't expect to easily manage a music library. If sound is the top priority then the BDP-1 is definitely the way to go.
NOTE: I rip my CD's to FLAC and listen to them through the BDP-1. I've been through 3 iterations of ripping my CD's and am suggesting that you use dbPoweramp as it somehow works noticeably better than the others that I have tried.
With respect, I must disagree with the statement “don’t expect to easily manage a music library”. Although I do agree with all of your other statements.
I also use dbPowerAmp and rip in FLAC using the following naming/file format:
[IFCOMP][IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],Various Artists[]\[album]\[track] [artist][][IF!COMP][IFVALUE]album artist,[album artist],[artist][]\[album]\[track][] - [artist] - [title] - [genre]
This allows the ripped files to be effectively stored/named in a simple and viable structure with minimum modification, on a 1TB USB drive connected to the BDP-1, and visible on my home network for additions/deletions. The only change I make is to break-out “Artists A~M/N~Z”, “Groups A~M/N~Z” and “Compilations A~M/N~Z” with further folders for other major categories (Classical, Vocal, Live etc.). Using mPod on a iTouch and the “Other” option and selecting “Browse” it is very simple to see and locate virtually any artist/album. The standard mPod Artist/Album/Search functions all seem to work OK and are independent of the file saving structure detailed above.
I’m sure that I will further refine the above as I’ve only had the BDP-1 for a week, and so far am simply enjoying the great sounds. Even with the initial intension of doing comparisons and evaluations, I just keep enjoying the music and forget about the “technical aspects”.
My primary music system set-up is now: BDP-1 (AES/EBU) > Anthem D2v (XLR) > 7BSSTs > JAS Audio Platos
Regards
Russell
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Apparently not everyone is pleased...
Clickety (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlplay&1297294887&/Bryston-BDP-1-Digital-Audio-Pl)
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The BDP-1 sounds great and I'm very happy with it for that alone. It is very nice.
The "easily manage a music library" statement is more of a wish list for the MINI-MAX. I was using the SONOS media server with the Cullen upsample to 96 khz mod prior to getting the BDP-1. The SONOS system has a great user interface but doesn't go beyond 44/16 and it doesn't match the sound of the BDP-1. That user interface is what I consider to easily manage a music library. The MINI-MAX doesn't provide that level of ease but it is usable and works as advertised. "Caveman" may have been a little hard on it.
My wish list when using the front panel:
1. The up and down arrows should auto scroll when held down. That would make it easier to move through a large list. I have done something similar to Russell and organized my library into alphabetical directories so that I can move through the alphabet first and then artists and then albums and then songs.
2. Allow adding items to the playlist. Currently, a new selection replaces what is currently playing and cannot be appended to form a playlist. This could be user error on my part but I haven't found a way around it yet.
My wish list when using the MINI-MAX:
1. Allow drives plugged into the rear USB ports to be manually indexed using the contents of the file headers. This would eliminate the long (a few minutes for me with 200 gigs of music) "updating" time at each powerup. I picked the rear ports because what is plugged into those ports is the least likely to change.
2. Allow sorting by Genre, Composers, etc. That could be available if (1) were implemented.
For Both:
1. Sometimes strange characters are displayed for some titles ... probably when the file name contains extended ascii. This could be considered a bug.
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Hi Rupret,
Thanks for the feedback- much appreciated. I agree that on a feature basis we do not work as well as some of the interfaces out there. Being a Linux open operating system though I am sure we can improve on that moving forward.
You can add a song or album to the bottom of a current unsaved playlist by just touching the song or album one at a time then Add All.
The Bryston MAX and MINI interfaces were created because I did not want to totally have our customers rely on third party interfaces like MPOD and Minion. Also the front panel was an attempt to allow users to access their music without the need to be on a network. I realize it is more dificult to use than an online system but at least you're not down and out if the network is out or not available.
If you want a more sophisticated user interface please check out MPOD on any MAC device - iPad, iTouch, iPhone etc. On a PC or MAC Laptop or Desktop try (Firefox - browser) Minion - both of these are superb and work really well with the BDP-1.
Also maybe consider 2 or 3 smaller drives as you can still listen to one drive while the large drive is loading. Once loaded all the drives are accessible instantaneously of course.
james
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Thanks James.
Again, the BDP-1 is great and I'm not knocking it ... just feedback. Maybe it's my avatar ... lol.
I don't have the iPad or iPod ... I have the Android Incredible which constantly drops down the top menu each time MINI is refreshed which is annoying and if anyone knows how to go full screen on the Android I'd appreciate the info. I do plan to get the iPad when they update next year. Right now I mostly use the front panel.
One other thing ... is there any way to set a static ip?
Also, have there been any software updates lately? Mainly for the weird characters being displayed thing ... I also get array(0xNNNNNNNN) where N is some number, probably an address, displayed sometimes.
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Try this:
Android Operating System
For connecting to BDP-1 Handheld using Android
http://192.168.0.16/player/mobile.html
Host is IP address
Server Port - 6600
Use Zirco Browser
James
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Also
The software version is available by using the Up botton on the front panel 4 button array when the BDP-1 display shows "BDP-1" The Down button will give you the IP address.
James
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Apparently not everyone is pleased...
Clickety (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlplay&1297294887&/Bryston-BDP-1-Digital-Audio-Pl)
I guess the wife found out.
James, that Zirco browser did the trick. Thanks, looks good now.
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I guess the wife found out.
James, that Zirco browser did the trick. Thanks, looks good now.
GREAT NEWS :thumb:
James
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Hi James
Question about using BR-2 remote with BDP-1.... seems there is only skip tracks forward /previous ,stop , play, pause but no way to curser up down, side to side and enter? In process of ripping all cds to aiff using dbpoweramp to my ssd intel drive. Will take a long time, over 700 cds to rip((((
Very impressed with this piece so far, very good build quality. Made the right choice...much better than playing music directly from computer.
Dan
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Hi Dan,
Yes the BR2 is just for basic forward, back, stop pause etc. as you state. We have looked at up/down but so far no way to impliment it easily.
Glad your enjoying the sound. I was playing some 176/24 Ref Recordings classical music this afternoon on my Thiel system and boy it was magical even if I do say so myself. I cannot image a day without music :thumb:
james
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Hi Dan,
Yes the BR2 is just for basic forward, back, stop pause etc. as you state. We have looked at up/down but so far no way to impliment it easily.
Glad your enjoying the sound. I was playing some 176/24 Ref Recordings classical music this afternoon on my Thiel system and boy it was magical even if I do say so myself. I cannot image a day without music :thumb:
james
I understand you well about not imagine a day without music. When at home listen to music all the time :thumb: When I was 16, got first stereo instead of first car ( 1976 ). If car has bad factory stereo , will not buy it at all....
Guess this is why I work in audio video industry :green: do not care as much for the video stuff, I do enjoy bluray etc but first love always be music :thumb:
Since I am ripping cds, might as well be on forums but listening to music on Sonos ( Sirius sat radio uncomressed music )
Dan
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James,
Have you any idea when the next shipment will be heading to PMC? as I was originally told I would be recieving my BDP-1 this Friday but now its looking doubtful, but I'm top of the list for the next batch, so I'm still hoping it can make it in time for Christmas :)
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Hi Vipers,
i am in New York doing an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine -(they think the BDP-1 is a game changer :D) but email our export manager Brian at bwrussell@bryston.com.
james
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Hi
I am able to connect my laptop (via usb) to control the bdp1's usb flash drives. Or do i have to use the ethernet connect to do this?
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Hi Vipers,
i am in New York doing an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine -(they think the BDP-1 is a game changer :D) but email our export manager Brian at bwrussell@bryston.com.
james
Thanks James, I'll ask Brian now, I really can't wait to get my hands on this 'game changer', enjoy New York :)
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Mine is now on a Fedex truck and scheduled to deliver tomorrow.
Tony :D :D :D
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...enjoy your brandnew BDP-1s, boys! :thumb:
al.
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Gee, I'm so full with desire to own and use this hot item. Maybe as soon as as I paid off my debt on the Torus 16A INT'L AVR that is still in the assembly line (I believe), I'll place an order on the new BDP-1.
What's the MSRP in the US again?
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I cannot image a day without music :thumb:
...neither can we, James. that's why we are here...
al.
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Hi
I am able to connect my laptop (via usb) to control the bdp1's usb flash drives. Or do i have to use the ethernet connect to do this?
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Hi Werd- have to use the network or a dedicated router or the front panel.
You can not plug in a computer because they are both hosts.
james
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Gee, I'm so full with desire to own and use this hot item. Maybe as soon as as I paid off my debt on the Torus 16A INT'L AVR that is still in the assembly line (I believe), I'll place an order on the new BDP-1.
What's the MSRP in the US again?
Hi $2150
james
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Thanks for the MSRP, James. Just got an e-mail from the distributor that my Torus unit will be delivered to me around 23rd Dec. So I might order the BDA-1 sooner than I thought. :D
BTW, I saw from the Stereophile's review of the BDA-1 that its "power consumption: 10VA". That's the same as 10Watts, correct?
How about the power consumption of the BDP-1? Thank you.
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Hi $2150
james
...which is about 1490 euros at this moment. I wonder why in the UK the BDP is 2300 pounds, which comes to 3090 US Dollars, and here in the Netherlands I have seen it for 2500 euros, which 3070 US Dollars. Does Bryston have a guy flying around first class to deliver them one by one to the customers? It is a LOT cheaper for us to order one in Canada, have it made to European standards and then just mail it over...
If anyone is wondering why there is a parallel market...
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...which is about 1490 euros at this moment. I wonder why in the UK the BDP is 2300 pounds, which comes to 3090 US Dollars, and here in the Netherlands I have seen it for 2500 euros, which 3070 US Dollars. Does Bryston have a guy flying around first class to deliver them one by one to the customers? It is a LOT cheaper for us to order one in Canada, have it made to European standards and then just mail it over...
If anyone is wondering why there is a parallel market...
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that pricing is brutal over there.
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that pricing is brutal over there.
Value Added Tax, VAT.
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...which is about 1490 euros at this moment. I wonder why in the UK the BDP is 2300 pounds, which comes to 3090 US Dollars, and here in the Netherlands I have seen it for 2500 euros, which 3070 US Dollars. Does Bryston have a guy flying around first class to deliver them one by one to the customers? It is a LOT cheaper for us to order one in Canada, have it made to European standards and then just mail it over...
If anyone is wondering why there is a parallel market...
£2300 is more like US$3600 based on todays exchange rate. VAT is not the only reason, you can add that to the US price and still only come to US$2526. Import duty is less than 4%, freight by courier around $30~35 US$. The real answer is that we are being stuffed by the Distributors and Resellers in Europe. I have made this comment direct to PMC in the UK and not got a coherent response. More fool me for still going ahead and ordering/paying. But, my ears are thanking me every day... DAMN. It would be fine if I did not know the US price... :duh: :duh: :duh:
Russell
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Price in Malaysia, in which I believe share the same voltage as in the UK, is only RM$ 8,400 or around US$ 2,685 at current fx rate, not bad. If someone's buying for you and ship it from there, you won't get the warranty covered in the UK though.
I'm eagerly waiting to receive the quotation on BDP-1 from my local distributor. Hope the pricing would allow me to be the first consumer owner here in Thailand. :roll:
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£2300 is more like US$3600 based on todays exchange rate. VAT is not the only reason, you can add that to the US price and still only come to US$2526. Import duty is less than 4%, freight by courier around $30~35 US$. The real answer is that we are being stuffed by the Distributors and Resellers in Europe. I have made this comment direct to PMC in the UK and not got a coherent response. More fool me for still going ahead and ordering/paying. But, my ears are thanking me every day... DAMN. It would be fine if I did not know the US price... :duh: :duh: :duh:
Russell
There are two quite different marketing models. One where you keep the price low and sell lots, the other where you do not expect to sell many but keep your margins high. Either way, the profits are similar.
The UK model is the latter and it stinks!
When I asked PMC the sales rep told me they were buying them for $2150 and having to make a profit on that. I don't think so. PMC must be buying them direct from Bryston and not Bryston dealers or does he think I'm a fool?
PMC must be buying them for a lot cheaper than that?
And I thought there was a recession and people were cutting back on buying luxury items, obviously not in the world of Hi-Fi
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That does sound like a huge markup, you mention US pricing, but, as you probably know Bryston is made in Ontario Canada, so using PMC's logic should not the US pricing be much higher?
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it's too sad that there are all these additional taxes and so on...
also the used market overseas in the U.S. and Canada is much, much "healthier" than ours here in Europe. lots of Bryston stuff for sometimes unbelievable prices are available.
lucky North-Americanos!
but hey...let's go back to the origin, cause this is a BDP-1 FEEDBACK thread. :D
al.
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Mine is now on a Fedex truck and scheduled to deliver tomorrow.
Tony :D :D :D
FEDEX is testing my patience by slipping the delivery of my BDP-1 another day :(
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OK, I have now been a BDP-1 owner for almost two hours. The first point is that it extremely easy to get it up and running with the Bryston provided flash drive (under 10 minutes from delivery to first listen). The first thing I noticed was incredible clarity, tighter bass and the overall best sound that I have experienced with my system. By the time I was listening to the third or fourth song I had scanned through the manual (best that I have seen from Bryston) and was controlling the BDP-1 with the BR2 remote, the front panel or my iPhone using the MPOD application. I agree with others that this player is a “game changer”. That’s it for now -- I have lots of hi-res stuff to listen to and will probably be up late tonight!! :D :thumb:
Tony
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The first thing I noticed was incredible clarity, tighter bass and the overall best sound that I have experienced with my system.
Tony
Just so we can put this in context.... what has the BDP-1 replaced as your digital playback component?
Thanks
Peter
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Just so we can put this in context.... what has the BDP-1 replaced as your digital playback component?
Thanks
Peter
Two previous digital sources:
1 - NAD 545BEE CDP> BDA-1
2 - Sony Laptop > Bel Canto 24/96 Link > BDA-1
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I agree with Tony's call.
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Beatles Apple USB on BDP-1 demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_AiLmlLY6k&feature=related
james
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Hi all,
James, any chance of a usb "out" in the future for those of us with usb only dacs or that have invested in expensive usb cables etc.. Thanks!
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Hi all,
James, any chance of a usb "out" in the future for those of us with usb only dacs or that have invested in expensive usb cables etc.. Thanks!
Thats a good question but I know the engineers chose the AES-EBU for performance reasons and it was a fight just to get them to include BNC :D
james
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Thats a good question but I know the engineers chose the AES-EBU for performance reasons and it was a fight just to get them to include BNC :D
james
An optical out would have been nice as well...
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An optical out would have been nice as well...
No chance of that :)
james
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Thats a good question but I know the engineers chose the AES-EBU for performance reasons and it was a fight just to get them to include BNC :D
james
Well thats not a NO :thumb: Tell your engineers you have one usb bdp-1 sold and that should cover some of the R&D :lol:
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Beatles Apple USB on BDP-1 demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_AiLmlLY6k&feature=related
james
Great series of BDP-1 video's James, very informative, now I just need to get my hands on one, hopefully tomorrow :D
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James, out of interest, I'm looking to get the whole Beatles back catalogue, would you recommend the USB or the remastered CD's, then maybe rip them to Flac, as I like the idea of the Hi Res versions on the USB but also like the idea of having a hard copy with the CD's.?
Thanks.
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James, out of interest, I'm looking to get the whole Beatles back catalogue, would you recommend the USB or the remastered CD's, then maybe rip them to Flac, as I like the idea of the Hi Res versions on the USB but also like the idea of having a hard copy with the CD's.?
Thanks.
That's a really good question and I have yet to hear any comparison. The benefit the USB has is it is 44.1 (same as the CD) but is 24 bit (CD is 16 bit I believe).
james
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I saw this post so I took a look/listen.
I have both the 24 bit Beatles on USB and the Remastered 16 bit Beatles ripped to flac. Through the BDP-1 I listened to a few songs on Sgt Pepper's for diversity and Eleanor Rigby for strings. To me, the 24 bit sounds marginally better than the 16 bit but I'm not sure that I could tell the difference if blindfolded. They both sound good to me but I don't have the ears of a 20 year old which could be a factor.
The 24 bit USB Beatles costs more but if that isn't an issue then you could always create the CD's from flac files on the USB stick.
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Is the USB set the 'Stereo' set or the 'Mono' set?
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I believe it is the stereo set. I have both the mono beatles, usb beatles and a few albums of the stereo remastered beatles. I find the usb beatles to sound better than the few stereo beatles cds that i bought.
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Thats a good question but I know the engineers chose the AES-EBU for performance reasons and it was a fight just to get them to include BNC :D
james
James,
nice video! but while you are demonstrating the BDP-1 the AES/EBU output is not in use... :wink: :green:
al, smart ass.
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Another review on the Bryston new analog player :D
http://hi-fi-avenue.blogspot.com/2010/12/super-size-your-sonics-with-bryston.html
james
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If you're canuck and plan to get a BDP.... do it before the government taxes it:
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5531/125/ (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5531/125/)
Nap.
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Hi Folks,
One of the issues that has come up over my videos has to do with me saying that streamimg is limited to lower resolution files. Some have even refered to my comments as "rubbish" :cry:
So just to be clear I was refering to streaming over wi-fi - it has been my experience that anything about 44.1 starts having problems with dropouts etc. Streaming using an Ethernet hard connection does not have those issues (like Linn does) as far as I know.
So I guess I should have been clearer but if anyone out there can enlighten me about streaming high resolution files over wi-fi I would love to hear from them.
james
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So I guess I should have been clearer but if anyone out there can enlighten me about streaming high resolution files over wi-fi I would love to hear from them.
Happy to oblige. Take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play#UPnP_AV_standards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play#UPnP_AV_standards)
at the "PnP MediaServer DCP" thang.
You can have 2 kinds of "streaming".
One is broadcasting/multicast. A server sends a stream of data over the network at its own pace, with no handshake protocol with the clients. This regardless if there are clients listening or not, or if those clients are getting all the packets or only some of them. In such setup the client tries to render synchronous with the stream it receives and if there are any transmission errors or delays they are non recoverable. You'll hear clicks, static and see pixelation or macroblocks when it occurs. It's pretty much like digital TV over-the-air.
Then you can have streaming with handshake protocol and where the client controls the server/stream. Here the server will stream at a pace controlled by the client, and will repeat transmission of packets when requested as to correct errors. Typically the client has a buffer (let's say enough for 2-3 seconds of video/audio) and receives the data in advance in this buffer. It renders it according to its own clock and when the buffer tends to empty it requests more data from the server. This would work over wi-fi. I am successfully viewing using DLNA (upnp thing) HD video from my NAS over 5GHz Wi-Fi. With 10,000 Kbps video streams + 385 Kbps audio I don't see any hiccups. Should be plenty enough for audio only.
Nap.
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just to add. with option 1 you can have multiple clients rendering the same stream at same time. this is how internet multicast or videoconference works.
with option 2 you can have only 1 client per stream. So let's say I have 2 TVs and want to see same movie on both, the NAS box would have to send the data twice, one copy for each client.
Nap.
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Happy to oblige. Take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play#UPnP_AV_standards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play#UPnP_AV_standards)
at the "PnP MediaServer DCP" thang.
You can have 2 kinds of "streaming".
One is broadcasting/multicast. A server sends a stream of data over the network at its own pace, with no handshake protocol with the clients. This regardless if there are clients listening or not, or if those clients are getting all the packets or only some of them. In such setup the client tries to render synchronous with the stream it receives and if there are any transmission errors or delays they are non recoverable. You'll hear clicks, static and see pixelation or macroblocks when it occurs. It's pretty much like digital TV over-the-air.
Then you can have streaming with handshake protocol and where the client controls the server/stream. Here the server will stream at a pace controlled by the client, and will repeat transmission of packets when requested as to correct errors. Typically the client has a buffer (let's say enough for 2-3 seconds of video/audio) and receives the data in advance in this buffer. It renders it according to its own clock and when the buffer tends to empty it requests more data from the server. This would work over wi-fi. I am successfully viewing using DLNA (upnp thing) HD video from my NAS over 5GHz Wi-Fi. With 10,000 Kbps video streams + 385 Kbps audio I don't see any hiccups. Should be plenty enough for audio only.
Nap.
Hi Nap,
Thanks - I stand corrected - so streaming 192/24 files over the home network wirelessly is not an issue. I guess there right - the video is rubbish :duh:
james
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^^^^^
I would say that it heavily depends on how many other people are on the network and their use also
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I would say that it heavily depends on how many other people are on the network and their use also
Yes. That's why you would want a dual 2.4/5GHz router and set your computers on 2.4GHz and your DLNA client on 5GHz.
Nap.
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Hi Nap,
Thanks - I stand corrected - so streaming 192/24 files over the home network wirelessly is not an issue. I guess there right - the video is rubbish :duh:
james
Well... Not rubbish, just not well informed. No problem, just make new ones (and while you do make it look a little more professional, no dangling stuff in the pocket of your shirt, stand next to the gear and not sit while talking, find a way to show what happens on the screens of the I-Fruit toy without turning your back to the viewers, rehearse your text a few times so there are no "uhh's" and "self corrections" and such, put the camera on a camera stand so the picture does not wobble all over the place and make separate close ups of the things you want to show...).
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Well... Not rubbish, just not well informed. No problem, just make new ones (and while you do make it look a little more professional, no dangling stuff in the pocket of your shirt, stand next to the gear and not sit while talking, find a way to show what happens on the screens of the I-Fruit toy without turning your back to the viewers, rehearse your text a few times so there are no "uhh's" and "self corrections" and such, put the camera on a camera stand so the picture does not wobble all over the place and make separate close ups of the things you want to show...).
Gee's tough crowd - thank god I'm not in show biz :D
james
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i started the "streaming vs non streaming" thread to get exactly that discussion. but if it goes on here...it's ok with me :thumb:
good inputs Nap, btw!
al.
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i started the "streaming vs non streaming" thread to get exactly that discussion. but if it goes on here...it's ok with me :thumb:
good inputs Nap, btw!
al.
hi Al,
Yes I have asked our engineering guys to comment as well - should be informative.
james
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cool! let us know what the Brystoneers have to say.
...and James, it's ok that you are sitting beside your Bryston gear.
the Bryston people are relaxed, eh 8)
al.
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Gee's tough crowd - thank god I'm not in show biz :D
james
Naah we're nice, we haven't asked you yet to look like Angelina Jolie :lol:
BTW the lady with the headphones is willing to demonstrate some Bryston gear too :green:
Nap.
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Naah we're nice, we haven't asked you yet to look like Angelina Jolie :lol:
BTW the lady with the headphones is willing to demonstrate some Bryston gear too :green:
Nap.
well i was going to buy one until i seen that infomercial......who's the janitor talking about the bdp? lol
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Naah we're nice, we haven't asked you yet to look like Angelina Jolie :lol:
Uhm... Ew! Why not a truly gorgeous woman like
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-4/catherine-zeta-jones-5.jpg)
BTW the lady with the headphones is willing to demonstrate some Bryston gear too :green:
Nap.
Works too...
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My bet is that for next year's Christmas we'll have a major software update for the BDP-1 making it compatible with DLNA servers. So you could play files from your NAS box too.
Nap. :xmas:
P.S. To speed up things I'll ask James to pass this link to his software engineers: http://djmount.sourceforge.net/ (http://djmount.sourceforge.net/)
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Mousey, nice pic but she doesn't have what it takes to firmly hold a pair of headphones :wink:
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My bet is that for next year's Christmas we'll have a major software update for the BDP-1 making it compatible with DLNA servers. So you could play files from your NAS box too.
Nap. :xmas:
P.S. To speed up things I'll ask James to pass this link to his software engineers: http://djmount.sourceforge.net/ (http://djmount.sourceforge.net/)
Nice!
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Mousey, nice pic but she doesn't have what it takes to firmly hold a pair of headphones :wink:
I hear ya....It's the true test of an audiophile woman.......Well ...my type anyway. :D Sue me..I like big eyes. :thumb:
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(http://)
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Hi Folks,
Based on more research apparently I am not completely wrong regarding streaming. There are a number of versions of such. The mistake I made is I must use the two words ‘wireless streaming’ (wi-fi) together when referring to issues of noise and dropouts etc. when streaming high resolution files.
Streaming using wired connections – Ethernet – is not an issue and can easily handle up to 192/24 files - this is what Linn is doing in their systems and I assume others as well.
Wireless streaming (wi-fi) can be problematic because walls and barriers within the house can prevent stable transmissions and other home network traffic is also an issue. The two-band wireless routers would help in this case I think but in my set-up the 5GHz band is much weaker than the 2.3GHz and has a difficult time reaching the end of the house. I guess repeaters would help in this case. Also some devices like early versions of the iTouch do not seem to work on 5GHz wireless networks.
Anyway we did not include wireless streaming in our BDP-1 Digital Player due to noise issues in the box and we wanted a hard wired connection for the BDP-1 to make sure we get reliable and dependable signal transfer from the music source - much more critical with higher resolution files than standard 44.1 files.
Just a comment – I do not want it to appear as if the only right way to listen to high-resolution files is the direction Bryston has taken. There are obviously other ways to get high quality high-resolution digital playback in your home. My hope with the BDP-1 was it would provide our customers with a straight forward ‘plug and play’ option without all the computer and network savvy required to assemble a properly working digital playback system. Getting the computers, soundcards, network configurations etc. all configured to make sure your getting bit-perfect playback is not an easy task. Also, I think the more companies promoting and presenting customers with more and more options to allow them to playback reference quality recordings in their homes the better. Hopefully it can assist in making more and more people aware of the great pleasures listening to high quality music can bring to their lives.
james
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I hooked up my Bdp1 to my Bda1 just 2 hours ago , and is still smiling .
This is the best digital sound I have ever heard , its fantastic and just sounds right ,thankyou :D
I have never been this exited over a peace of hifi equipment ever , this is a winner :thumb:
Greetings from Norway
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Anyway we did not include wireless streaming in our BDP-1 Digital Player due to noise issues in the box and we wanted a hard wired connection for the BDP-1 to make sure we get reliable and dependable signal transfer from the music source.
That is not a problem. You can always attach this to its Ethernet port:
http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/WET610N (http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/WET610N)
and it instantly becomes dual band wireless enabled. You can even keep the Linksys box at some distance from your audio gear.
This is exactly how I made my Playstation work on 5GHz band.
Yes 5GHz is absorbed more by walls and other obstacles. However it has plenty of non-overlapping bands to chose from so you can easily find a frequency that's not clashing with your neighbors. 2.4 has a more limited choice and they are overlapping. I can see all my neighbours crowding that band while there's nobody in the 5GHz band around my house.
What would be important is to make the BDP support the DLNA protocol. Cable or wireless, it's an important addition to its capabilities.
Nap.
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I hooked up my Bdp1 to my Bda1 just 2 hours ago , and is still smiling .
This is the best digital sound I have ever heard , its fantastic and just sounds right ,thankyou :D
I have never been this exited over a peace of hifi equipment ever , this is a winner :thumb:
Greetings from Norway
Thank you Xinon for your kind comments - it the music that matters for sure!
james
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That is not a problem. You can always attach this to its Ethernet port:
http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/WET610N (http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/WET610N)
and it instantly becomes dual band wireless enabled. You can even keep the Linksys box at some distance from your audio gear.
This is exactly how I made my Playstation work on 5GHz band.
Yes 5GHz is absorbed more by walls and other obstacles. However it has plenty of non-overlapping bands to chose from so you can easily find a frequency that's not clashing with your neighbors. 2.4 has a more limited choice and they are overlapping. I can see all my neighbours crowding that band while there's nobody in the 5GHz band around my house.
What would be important is to make the BDP support the DLNA protocol. Cable or wireless, it's an important addition to its capabilities.
Nap.
Hi Nap,
I realize there are many options going forward but I think it has to be remembered that the BDP-1 was first and formost an attempt to get the music right. I think we have accomlished that and I realize if customers want all these other features some may be doable some may not - if the performance suffers it will not be allowed in the BDP-1.
james
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Hi Nap,
I realize there are many options going forward but I think it has to be remembered that the BDP-1 was first and formost an attempt to get the music right. I think we have accomlished that and I realize if customers want all these other features some may be doable some may not - if the performance suffers it will not be allowed in the BDP-1.
james
James, promise me that while at CES you will visit these guys booth:
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/12/23/lg_bd690/ (http://www.reghardware.com/2010/12/23/lg_bd690/)
Streaming Blu-Ray means the box should be able of at least 40,000 Kbps. Stereo 24/192 needs only 1,200 Kbps. Let's say 2,000 to make place for a good read-ahead buffer and error correction.
Seeing is believing. Lol.
Nap.
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James, promise me that while at CES you will visit these guys booth:
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/12/23/lg_bd690/ (http://www.reghardware.com/2010/12/23/lg_bd690/)
Streaming Blu-Ray means the box should be able of at least 40,000 Kbps. Stereo 24/192 needs only 1,200 Kbps. Let's say 2,000 to make place for a good read-ahead buffer and error correction.
Seeing is believing. Lol.
Nap.
Yes but my point is it is just not about the ability to play higher resolution files - just as an amplifier is not just about amplifiying the input - there are a lot of other issues that have to be addressed to wring the last bit of performance out of the digital files. Things like power supply integrity, noise floor issues, ground planes, circuit tracing, impedance matching, etc. are all as important. There is much more going on in the BDP-1 than the ability to pass high res files.
james
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James, I didn't suggest that you buy an LG box :o
I'm trying to suggest that once you see the LG box in action, you'll decide that the BDP should also be perfectly capable of using DLNa for audio which is much less demanding than video.
All you need is a software change - see the link I posted earlier.
Nap.
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James, I didn't suggest that you buy an LG box :o
I'm trying to suggest that once you see the LG box in action, you'll decide that the BDP should also be perfectly capable of using DLNa for audio which is much less demanding than video.
All you need is a software change - see the link I posted earlier.
Nap.
Ok - will do. :surrender:
james
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I realize there are many options going forward but I think it has to be remembered that the BDP-1 was first and formost an attempt to get the music right. I think we have accomlished that and I realize if customers want all these other features some may be doable some may not - if the performance suffers it will not be allowed in the BDP-1.
I am very relieved to hear (see) you say this James, and I totally agree. "Streamers" are ten-a-penny, I have at least three (PS3, Oppo BDP83, ViewSonic VMP74 and a few other "boxes" including servers with UPnP/DLNA capability) and there are many other options if I wanted to go this route. BUT, the BDP-1 is different from the crowd, and this is one reason that I was prepared to pay a premium. If you are able to add features and functions with "zero playback quality impact" then great, but I for one do not need any focus on this and would prefer focus on even better playback using existing methods (if better is possible).
Please don't be distracted by folk who want bells and whistles and continue to focus "on the music", as you have been doing.
Regards
Russell
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Please don't be distracted by folk who want bells and whistles
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I have a silly question ... does it play/read Cue sheet ?
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Hi James
does the BDP have any pure crystal or is that only in the bda.... :lol:
merry xmas James
werd
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Werd. Since you mentioned that. James has a stash of promotional Swarowsky USB keys, behave and you may get one:
(http://)
Order your BDP while they last.
Nap.
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Hi James,
Sorry, I meant "might order BDP-1 sooner than I thought", and I indeed did make a deposit to order a unit already. Are both 17" & 19" faceplates available? It would be nice to see the pictures of them so I can compare before making the confirmation. Thanks again.
Merry X'mas to all. :D
Klao
Thanks for the MSRP, James. Just got an e-mail from the distributor that my Torus unit will be delivered to me around 23rd Dec. So I might order the BDA-1 sooner than I thought. :D
BTW, I saw from the Stereophile's review of the BDA-1 that its "power consumption: 10VA". That's the same as 10Watts, correct?
How about the power consumption of the BDP-1? Thank you.
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It looks like there is a Santa Claus after all :D It's been a bit of a wait for it to arrive over here in the UK, so now I'm going to disapear and have a good lengthy listening session :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=40367)
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Well I won't get mine till next week at the earliest. :nono:
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hey, Vipers...
ENJOY!!!
al.
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I was thinking of tweeking my bdp-1 (serial #000029). Is it ok the replace the fuses with hifi-tuning fuses without voiding the warranty?
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Hi Guys,
I’ve had a little while to play with the BDP-1 now, much to my wifes annoyance as she wanted to crack out the Christmas CD’s :roll:
Well, I really didn’t want to get into the whole ‘This is a game changer’ excitement, but this really is going to change how I listen to music, and tbh almost make the BCD-1 reduntant.
I’ve only had a chance at the moment to listen to some Beatles, Bowie, Carpenters and NIN 24bit files so far, but they really do sound amazing, I thought I’d mainly use the BDP to play back ripped to Flac CD’s and not really ever getting into paying for downloadable music, but 24bit files sound so much better than CD I can see myself now purposefully hunting down 24bit downloads to listen too.
I’ve got several of the albums in 24bit and also in 16bit CD form to do a direct comparison and the difference really is night and day, the soundstage is far fuller, the bass punchier and the so much more detail, for me this is where downloading music makes sense rather than the MP3’s on Itunes.
Initial impressions on the BDP-1 are that it’s far heavier than I thought it would be and has the excellent build quality that you’d expect from Bryston. On the negative side it’s a real shame that Bryston can’t still source the same buttons as the BDA-1 and also the green lights on the BDP are a different colour green to the rest of my system, which when you’ve got a 100% Bryston system is a bit of a shame but only a slight annoyance and nothing more.
Controlling it from its front panel buttons is extremely easy but once it’s connected to the network it really comes into its own, controlling through my Iphone and Ipod Touch is extremely easy and very satisfying, I’ve now got a reason to get an Ipad though, as the Bryston Max interface is definitely the one to use as you get all the song bitrate information and for me is the interface I want to use, but is desighned to be used on a bigger screen, I haven’t had time yet to look at the Mpod app or Minion for Firefox.
Tonight I’ve got some friends coming round so I want to compare playing the same files from the Flash drive and on a usb conventional Hard Disk to see if having no moving part of the Flash drive will realy make any difference, I’m hoping not as sticking loads of music on a 500GB disk will definantly make life easier.
As for the overall sound, it’s still got that ‘Bryston’ sound, ie, loads of detail and very revealing, nothing is hidden, but listening to the 24bit files so far, there are no hard edges, none of the Brittleness you sometimes get with CD, it just sounds right, and extremely listenable.
I’m looking forward to ripping some of my favourite cd’s to flac + some problem ones that just didn’t sound good on the BCD to see how they sound.
Here’s some pics of my Finished Bryston Rack :thumb:
Have a great Christmas all :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=40462)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=40463)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=40462)
Looks awesome Vipers :thumb:
What is your TT? I would be very interested to hear your opinion of how the BDP-1 and TT compare.
Be well...
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Looks awesome Vipers :thumb:
What is your TT? I would be very interested to hear your opinion of how the BDP-1 and TT compare.
Be well...
The TT is a Michell Orbe with a perspex lid. It is going to be facinating to hear of Viper's comparison between vinyl and the BDP1, it may well push me over the edge on this one....
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Hi Guys,
I’ve had a little while to play with the BDP-1 now, much to my wifes annoyance as she wanted to crack out the Christmas CD’s :roll:
Well, I really didn’t want to get into the whole ‘This is a game changer’ excitement, but this really is going to change how I listen to music, and tbh almost make the BCD-1 reduntant.
I’ve only had a chance at the moment to listen to some Beatles, Bowie, Carpenters and NIN 24bit files so far, but they really do sound amazing, I thought I’d mainly use the BDP to play back ripped to Flac CD’s and not really ever getting into paying for downloadable music, but 24bit files sound so much better than CD I can see myself now purposefully hunting down 24bit downloads to listen too.
I’ve got several of the albums in 24bit and also in 16bit CD form to do a direct comparison and the difference really is night and day, the soundstage is far fuller, the bass punchier and the so much more detail, for me this is where downloading music makes sense rather than the MP3’s on Itunes.
Initial impressions on the BDP-1 are that it’s far heavier than I thought it would be and has the excellent build quality that you’d expect from Bryston. On the negative side it’s a real shame that Bryston can’t still source the same buttons as the BDA-1 and also the green lights on the BDP are a different colour green to the rest of my system, which when you’ve got a 100% Bryston system is a bit of a shame but only a slight annoyance and nothing more.
Controlling it from its front panel buttons is extremely easy but once it’s connected to the network it really comes into its own, controlling through my Iphone and Ipod Touch is extremely easy and very satisfying, I’ve now got a reason to get an Ipad though, as the Bryston Max interface is definitely the one to use as you get all the song bitrate information and for me is the interface I want to use, but is desighned to be used on a bigger screen, I haven’t had time yet to look at the Mpod app or Minion for Firefox.
Tonight I’ve got some friends coming round so I want to compare playing the same files from the Flash drive and on a usb conventional Hard Disk to see if having no moving part of the Flash drive will realy make any difference, I’m hoping not as sticking loads of music on a 500GB disk will definantly make life easier.
As for the overall sound, it’s still got that ‘Bryston’ sound, ie, loads of detail and very revealing, nothing is hidden, but listening to the 24bit files so far, there are no hard edges, none of the Brittleness you sometimes get with CD, it just sounds right, and extremely listenable.
I’m looking forward to ripping some of my favourite cd’s to flac + some problem ones that just didn’t sound good on the BCD to see how they sound.
Here’s some pics of my Finished Bryston Rack :thumb:
Have a great Christmas all :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=40462)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=40463)
Beautiful Setup :thumb:
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Yes - the set-up is beautiful and I'd be quite interest in the feedback/comparison on the BDP-1 too
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nice report, Vipers. congrats on your system!
al.
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Thanks everyone :thumb:
Going to be busy all day today using dbpoweramp to rip alot of my CD collection to flac so I can compare vinyl against cd through the BCD-1 and cd's ripped to flac played through the BDP-1, should be interesting.
I've got a couple of shootouts lined up, one is Hotel California Deluxe edition on 180g vinyl where they went back to the original masters, so I can compare this against cd and ripping to Flac through the BDP, and I was listening to Bruce Springsteen's Magic the other night on 180g vinyl and his voice just sounded amazing, I've seen Bruce many many times and this is what he sounds like, it was so life like and real but sometimes when the music got quite up tempo I found it lacking slightly, a little too laid back and restrained, so I put the cd on and instantly you were hit by how much bigger the soundstage was, it was a much more full on experience, but after a couple of tracks I began to find it all a little harsh and 'digital' sounding, it just wasn't as life like so I went back to the vinyl, so I'm hoping that by ripping the CD to flac and playing it through the BPD it will give me the full soundstage of the cd but round of the edges a little to give it more of the analogue feel that I love of the vinyl.
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A couple of nights ago I had a some friends over who love their HiFi and we did a little test comparing playing certain 24bit files back by setting up a playlist of 2 songs, we did this several times using different songs, one song was on a flash drive and the other on a Seagate 500gb hard disk, using the playlist you could skip between songs instantly to compare if there were any difference, and tbh if there were it was very minimal, a couple of us thought that the flash drive was maybe a little more detailed in its presentation at the top end and the hard disk sounded a little flatter but it was extremely close and on certain occasions I preffered the hard disk as it seemed to smooth out the top end a little.
I was really pleased with these findings though as it now means I can rip all my favourite cd's to a large drive and know that I'm not compromising on audio quality :thumb:
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A couple of nights ago I had a some friends over who love their HiFi and we did a little test comparing playing certain 24bit files back by setting up a playlist of 2 songs, we did this several times using different songs, one song was on a flash drive and the other on a Seagate 500gb hard disk, using the playlist you could skip between songs instantly to compare if there were any difference, and tbh if there were it was very minimal, a couple of us thought that the flash drive was maybe a little more detailed in its presentation at the top end and the hard disk sounded a little flatter but it was extremely close and on certain occasions I preffered the hard disk as it seemed to smooth out the top end a little.
I was really pleased with these findings though as it now means I can rip all my favourite cd's to a large drive and know that I'm not compromising on audio quality :thumb:
Vipers,Awesome system.Great to learn that either way not much difference between HD or FD.I can see that flash drive could be an easy way to store a playlist and it would boot up faster but at about $40 average for a 32GB drive not very cheap.It would take 15/32GB flash drive to equal a 500GB hard drive correct?Thats about$600 vs a lot less for an external HD.I only point this out because I'am lusting after to combo and was trying to figure out how to keep the cost down.Is your 500 GB HD full? If so I would like to know how long it takes for the player to read after turn on.This boot up time is the only fly in the ointment as far as I'am concerned.If you did not care about electric cost I guess it could be left on all the time not a very good solution for impatient people.Anyway enjoy and keep us informed.Happy Holidays.Gary
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Is your 500 GB HD full? If so I would like to know how long it takes for the player to read after turn on.This boot up time is the only fly in the ointment as far as I'am concerned.If you did not care about electric cost I guess it could be left on all the time not a very good solution for impatient people.Anyway enjoy and keep us informed.Happy Holidays.Gary
Hi Gary,
Been busy all day ripping cd's to flac, so far I've done 60 cd's and it has only taken 20GB's, so not too bad really, I'm going to carry on ripping then when I'm done I'll let you know how long boot up time takes and how much I've got stored :thumb:
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Vipers,Awesome system.Great to learn that either way not much difference between HD or FD.I can see that flash drive could be an easy way to store a playlist and it would boot up faster but at about $40 average for a 32GB drive not very cheap.It would take 15/32GB flash drive to equal a 500GB hard drive correct?Thats about$600 vs a lot less for an external HD.I only point this out because I'am lusting after to combo and was trying to figure out how to keep the cost down.Is your 500 GB HD full? If so I would like to know how long it takes for the player to read after turn on.This boot up time is the only fly in the ointment as far as I'am concerned.If you did not care about electric cost I guess it could be left on all the time not a very good solution for impatient people.Anyway enjoy and keep us informed.Happy Holidays.Gary
I am using Intel SSD drive 120GB, instant bootup and better sound than flash drive
Dan
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James
Do you have an approx. date when the BDA-1 buttons will be changed to match those on the BDP-1
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Dan
Could you post a link for the SSD you are using
Steven
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James
Do you have an approx. date when the BDA-1 buttons will be changed to match those on the BDP-1
I would say about 2 more months.
james
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James
Is there any way to control volume with BDP-1 ? mpod software, would that work to control volume as I already have apple iphone?
Dan
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James
Is there any way to control volume with BDP-1 ? mpod software, would that work to control volume as I already have apple iphone?
Dan
Hi Dan,
No sorry - controlling volume in the digital domain is not a good idea as you lose resolution as the volume is lowered.
james
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Is your 500 GB HD full? If so I would like to know how long it takes for the player to read after turn on.This boot up time is the only fly in the ointment as far as I'am concerned.If you did not care about electric cost I guess it could be left on all the time not a very good solution for impatient people.Gary
From cold my BDP-1 takes 1min 24secs to initialise (boot). With a 1TB HDD containing 819GB of FLAC files there is an additional 12mins 12secs while the drive is scanned and the "Playlist" updated, so the total boot time is 13 minutes and 36 seconds. A ball-park estimate of 1GB/sec is not too far off. I leave mine turned-on permanently as the power consumption is very low...
After adding files, from my primary PC across the network to the BDP-1 with connected HDD, I use the Update facility within mPod to scan for the new files, this takes just a few seconds... I have not timed it, but after adding 3.28GB of 24/96 FLAC files (41 tracks) it was less than 10~15 seconds.
Regards
Russell
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From cold my BDP-1 takes 1min 24secs to initialise (boot). With a 1TB HDD containing 819GB of FLAC files there is an additional 12mins 12secs while the drive is scanned and the "Playlist" updated, so the total boot time is 13 minutes and 36 seconds. A ball-park estimate of 1GB/sec is not too far off. I leave mine turned-on permanently as the power consumption is very low...
After adding files, from my primary PC across the network to the BDP-1 with connected HDD, I use the Update facility within mPod to scan for the new files, this takes just a few seconds... I have not timed it, but after adding 3.28GB of 24/96 FLAC files (41 tracks) it was less than 10~15 seconds.
Regards
Russell
Russel, Thanks just what I was looking for.By leaving it on all the time it is always ready to play correct?Thanks Gary
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Is anyone using the BDP-1 with internal DAC in BP-26 DA ?
Trying to decide if I should add DAC board to my BP-26 or purchase BDA-1 (BDP-1 will be my only source component) :o
Steven
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I am using Intel SSD drive 120GB, instant bootup and better sound than flash drive
Dan
Interesting. What makes a SSd sound better than a flash?
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Is anyone using the BDP-1 with internal DAC in BP-26 DA ?
Trying to decide if I should add DAC board to my BP-26 or purchase BDA-1 (BDP-1 will be my only source component) :o
Steven
SFOX,
The internal DAC of the 26 "only" accepts up to 108 kHz.
so don't expect the 26 then to Play hi-res files such as 176khz or 192 kHz.
(the BDA-1 can handle up to 192 as you know...)
al.
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Russel, Thanks just what I was looking for.By leaving it on all the time it is always ready to play correct?Thanks Gary
Yes, correct, just pickup my iTouch with mPod loaded and either select playlist, album, artist etc. and away-ya-go. One nice aspect of mPod is you can set it to accept "shake" and it will automatically play, 10, 25, 50 or 100 random songs from the source HDD or Flash.
Regards
Russell
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Yes, correct, just pickup my iTouch with mPod loaded and either select playlist, album, artist etc. and away-ya-go. One nice aspect of mPod is you can set it to accept "shake" and it will automatically play, 10, 25, 50 or 100 random songs from the source HDD or Flash.
Regards
Russell
Russel, The shake feature is something I had not heard of and a plus for sure.I will probably wait till Bryston offers the same front panel buttons on the BDA as I plan on getting both units and it would be great if they looked exactly alike. I think I will also leave the BDP-1 on if the start up delay starts to bug me. In the mean time I'am going to load my CD'S onto a HD.Enjoy
Gary
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Hi James
I would like to thank James and Mike at Bryston for there great support, knowledge and advice as I just placed an order for a BDP-1 yesterday. Bryston is a great company as when I called them they answered all my questions. It is great they are in Canada but just a wee tad east of me like a 2000 miles away. LOL The sales specialist Dennis at Commercial Electronics (great guys there also) advised me that they will arrive mid to late Jan. Now James is it possible to make my 60th birthday a special one. It is in mid Jan also.
Next I would also like to know as I have your BCD-1 cd player and soon BDP-1 what is the best way to hook up both these to your BDA-1 Dac. I prefer to use the digital outs of both pieces of equipment to the BDA-1 Dac
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Hi James
I would like to thank James and Mike at Bryston for there great support, knowledge and advice as I just placed an order for a BDP-1 yesterday. Bryston is a great company as when I called them they answered all my questions. It is great they are in Canada but just a wee tad east of me like a 2000 miles away. LOL The sales specialist Dennis at Commercial Electronics (great guys there also) advised me that the an mid to late Jan. Now James is it possible to make my 60th birthday a special one. It is in mid Jan also.
Happy 60'th - will make sure it's a listening day for you :thumb:
james
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Thanks James
I would also like to know as I have your BCD-1 cd player and soon BDP-1 what is the best way to hook up both of theses pieces to a BDA-1 Dac. I prefer to use the digital outs on both pieces of equipment to the BDA-1 Dac. A AES-EBU Digital Cable from the BDP-1 to the BDA-1 and a SDIF to SDIF digital Cable from the BCD-1 to the BDA-1 or visa-versa and what ends are on the SDIF digital cable?
Thanks Larry
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Thanks James
I would also like to know as I have your BCD-1 cd player and soon BDP-1 what is the best way to hook up both of theses pieces to a BDA-1 Dac. I prefer to use the digital outs on both pieces of equipment to the BDA-1 Dac. A AES-EBU Digital Cable from the BDP-1 to the BDA-1 and a SDIF to SDIF digital Cable from the BCD-1 to the BDA-1 or visa-versa and what ends are on the SDIF digital cable?
Thanks Larry
Hi Larry -
AES EBU from the BDP-1 to the BDA-1 DAC.
COAX SPDIF out from the CD Player to BNC in on the BDA-1 DAC.
Use 110 ohm cable for the AES connection and 75 ohn cable for the COAX to BNC
james
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Thanks James
Just what I was considering however I wanted your opinion.
Enjoy your days off and I hope you are getting in some time to listen to your fav music.
Have a Happy New Year!
Larry
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Hi,
I am interested is it needed to turn on 'file and printer sharing' on PC to make Bryston-MAX application functional and fully operational with BDP-1?
Thank you very much.
Oz
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Hi,
I am interested is it needed to turn on 'file and printer sharing' on PC to make Bryston-MAX application functional and fully operational with BDP-1?
Thank you very much.
Oz
Hi Oz
No you just have to establish a wireless connection.
James
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Hi Folks,
A new client for MPD that you can use. Tried it on my Windows 7 laptop and XP desktop with good results interfacing with the BDP-1
http://gmpclient.org/installation
Just install the GMPC part 0.20.0
james
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Thank you James.
Oz
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Guys, can someone please give me a brief idiots guide on how to get Mpod working on my iphone please as I'm struggling, all I get is connection problem, couldn't connect to the MPD server :?
Thanks.
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Guys, can someone please give me a brief idiots guide on how to get Mpod working on my iphone please as I'm struggling, all I get is connection problem, couldn't connect to the MPD server :?
Thanks.
As long as you can "see" the BDP-1 on your network, all you should have to do is input the MPD Server address: "bryston-bdp-1.local" with Port "6600" and it should work... I certainly don't remember doing anything else (at least not after I installed the "production firmware"). I believe you can also use the actual BDP-1 IP address as the MPD Server address, but be aware that this could change, depending on how your Router is set-up.
Regards
Russell
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Hi Russell,
Thanks, I'll give it a try in a mo, networking's never been my strong point, it was the server address I was leaving out :oops:
4 more cd's to go and I've ripped over 200 cd's in the last 3 days, it's almost drove me insane :thankyou:
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4 more cd's to go and I've ripped over 200 cd's in the last 3 days, it's almost drove me insane
Just wait until you notice that you did it with the wrong settings...
Nap. :icon_twisted:
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HI Guys
I just order my BDP-1 and it should arrive in md to late Jan, so I had downloaded dBpoweramp (CD Ripper & Music Converter) in advance and have ripped aprox 230 or more cd's, to my usb 1.5g hard drive.
I ripped them to Flac with the standard compression but just edited the art work and the metadata as per what was on the cd.
I ripped them with an old plexter cd burner Plexwriter 12/10/32A and a Plextor DVD burner PX-708A that was not in use so I had them installed.
I used ripping method secure with Ultra secure ripping checked, along with clear read cache with FUA and C2 error pointers for error detection checked.
Under AccurateRip the first to boxes were checkec. I also checked prevent auto-run on all cds drives.
I hope I did this right. Is there any thing I should of done to get better rips? Now be nice as I am new at this and new at posting here.
Thanks Larry
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Hi Larry,
I've just finished ripping alot of CD's using dBpoweramp and you're settings look exactly the same as mine although I couldn't use the C2 error pointers as I don't think my drives supported them and I read if you are not sure don't use it as it could possibly cause some issues, what those are though I'm not sure.
I wish I'd got my arse into gear and ripped my collection before getting my BDP-1 as I've been wasting precious listening time being stuck infront of my PC :duh:
Enjoy your BDP-1 when it arrives :thumb:
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James,
I have been ripping CDs by just copying the files from the CD to a thumbdrive. I set up the directory structure so that artists are in a folder, albums in a sub folder which contains the songs from that album. When I look at the structure on the computer everything is correct as to song order. However, when I play an album on the BDP-1 that has more than 10 songs its' logic plays the songs as follows: Example 12 song album - Songs 1, 10, 11, 12, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. I think your software guys should look at that for a fix. Do you agree?
Tony
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James,
I have been ripping CDs by just copying the files from the CD to a thumbdrive. I set up the directory structure so that artists are in a folder, albums in a sub folder which contains the songs from that album. When I look at the structure on the computer everything is correct as to song order. However, when I play an album on the BDP-1 that has more than 10 songs its' logic plays the songs as follows: Example 12 song album - Songs 1, 10, 11, 12, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. I think your software guys should look at that for a fix. Do you agree?
Tony
Hi Tony,
Yes it has to do with the fact that the computer reads a 0 before a 1. When you rip a CD they are numbered 01, 02, 03 etc. then 10 to 11 etc. If there is no 0 in front of the first 9 songs it reads the 1 in the 10 first and places it at the top of the list as well as the 1 in the first song. When I rip with bdpoweramp it comes up fine but I rip to my hardrive first then transfer it to the thumbdrive.
Just go to the file name and stick a 0 in front of the first 9 songs if you do not want to re-rip.
james
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Hi Tony,
Yes it has to do with the fact that the computer reads a 0 before a 1. When you rip a CD they are numbered 01, 02, 03 etc. then 10 to 11 etc. If there is no 0 in front of the first 9 songs it reads the 1 in the 10 first and places it at the top of the list as well as the 1 in the first song. When I rip with bdpoweramp it comes up fine but I rip to my hardrive first then transfer it to the thumbdrive.
Just go to the file name and stick a 0 in front of the first 9 songs if you do not want to re-rip.
james
James,
Thanks for the response. I understand what it is doing. Are you saying that when you rip with dbPoweramp it adds the 0 in front of the 1, 2, etc.? Unfortunately, I cannot use dbPoweramp with my Apple iMac. The order on the thumbdrive is correct but the BDP changes it. Is there a reason that the BDP-1 needs to reorder before playing an album? It does not change order of a playlist.
Tony
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Hi Tony,
I am not familiar with how MAC does it but any rips I have done on a number of different ripping programs always places the 0 in front of the first 9 songs automatically. Are you using iTunes to do the ripping?
james
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Hi Tony,
I am not familiar with how MAC does it but any rips I have done on a number of different ripping programs always places the 0 in front of the first 9 songs automatically. Are you using iTunes to do the ripping?
james
No, I am just copying files from the CD drive to a thumbdrive using Finder (Apple equivalent of Windows Explorer). Does anyone know of a ripping program for MAC computers that is comparable to dbPoweramp?
Tony
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Hi Tony,
I just tried ripping an Oscar Peterson CD to iTunes then transferred it to the thumb-drive (drag and drop) on my MACBOOK Pro Laptop and it did insert the 0's in front of the songs.
I did notice when it was ripping it though that it ripped it in reverse alphabetical order rather than by the numbers 1-7?
james
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OK - Thanks! I'll keep playing around with it, meanwhile I am really enjoying the music from the BDP-1 :thumb:
Tony
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OK - Thanks! I'll keep playing around with it, meanwhile I am really enjoying the music from the BDP-1 :thumb:
Tony
Yes I agree - if all else fails just listen to it :thumb: :)
james
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December, 31st 2010
Memo: Bryston Dealer Feedback
Subject: New BDP-1 Digital Player
BDP-1 First Impressions
Hi James -
How often does an affordable audio product come along that is such an improvement you don’t know quite what to say? Every several years or so perhaps? Well, the new Bryston BDP-1 digital player is one of these rare products that I have come across that is destined be one of the digital products of the year. It is clearly one of the best products I have added to my system in many, many years.
Typically, most of my previous equipment upgrades are quite enjoyable and exhibit a very good Return On Investment (ROI). This new player is in a completely different category as it clearly exceeds my expectations in more musically related ways than I would have ever imagined. The new digital player uncovers such wonderful sounding musical details in such a natural way that it has taken me by surprise. The player is simply a “musical magnifier”. This is somewhat analogous to walking into the recording studio during a live session instead of listening through a proverbial window with veils. Everything and I mean everything, just comes alive with musical energy including dimensionality, space, air, instrument tonalities, weight, extremely low-level detail and much more. There is more harmonically rich “meat on the bones” with all of the music played through this player. The player also brings new meaning to the “black background” phenomena. The music literally “pops out” from a dead quiet background.
To no surprise, the high rez Chesky recordings that Bryston provides on a memory stick are something special. The high rez files allow me to get even closer to the music than ever before. Shockingly, the improvement of properly ripped CDs to a flash drive and played back though the player is extremely noteworthy (no pun intended). I totally agree with Norm Chesky’s assessment below:
“But when I take home a USB drive and plug it in all of a sudden the quality of the entire system goes up 25%. Everything locks in. It’s smoother, and resolution is increased and you hear low level detail. Things don’t sound digital!”
So, what equipment upgrades or new additions would add a 25% improvement in sound quality to your current well-tuned audio system for $2,150? Not many, aye? I would humbly suggest even the most jaded inmates to give this player a listen as they are in for a real treat.
Kudos to James and all of the Bryston design team members for providing this wonderful sounding “musical magnifier” at an affordable price. I will provide follow-up observations early next year.
Regards,
Dan E.
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...we always knew it :green:!
al.
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So, what equipment upgrades or new additions would add a 25% improvement in sound quality to your current well-tuned audio system for $2,150?
According to Werd there's a magic power cord that does exactly that :green:
:jester:
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Hi Folks,
BRYSTON BDA-1 DAC and BDP-1 DIGITAL PLAYER get "Gear That Impressed in 2010 Award"
http://hifi-unlimited.blogspot.com/2011/01/gears-that-impressed-in-2010.html
james
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Congrats on many nice review James!
Do you still ship the Bryston thumb drive with the BDP-1? I expect to receive my unit around the end of Jan. Thanks.
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Congrats on many nice review James!
Do you still ship the Bryston thumb drive with the BDP-1? I expect to receive my unit around the end of Jan. Thanks.
Hi Klao,
We have run out of the original 200 thumbdrives.
james
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Hi Klao,
We have run out of the original 200 thumbdrives.
james
James,
That thumbdrive really has some great music on it - one song from eight different albums and I suspect that most of the 200 recipients will buy one or more of those albums. I believe that Chessky would find it profitable if they provided them to Bryston at no cost as an advertisement for their hi-res downloads. Bryston customers get up and running faster, get exposed to some new great music and Chessky sells more music downloads. A win for everybody. :thumb:
Tony
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James,
That thumbdrive really has some great music on it - one song from eight different albums and I suspect that most of the 200 recipients will buy one or more of those albums. I believe that Chessky would find it profitable if they provided them to Bryston at no cost as an advertisement for their hi-res downloads. Bryston customers get up and running faster, get exposed to some new great music and Chessky sells more music downloads. A win for everybody. :thumb:
Tony
Hi Tony,
Yes we are discussing more thumb-drives with different music with Chesky but apparently waving fee payment is not an option.
james
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I am using Intel SSD drive 120GB, instant bootup and better sound than flash drive
Dan
James - I probably missed the answer to this many moons ago. Just wondering - why would the sound be any different whether the source is a solid state drive, regular drive or flash?
I am about to start transferring my CD media to digital storage and would not want to do it twice
Thanks
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^^^^^^^^^^
Really good question and I am not an expert but as I understand it the USB Flash-drive and the SSD have the advantage of no moving parts, the 'search time' is instantanious because your connecting electrically rather than an armature searching for bits of files.
Whether that really affects sound or not I am not completely convinced yet.
james
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^^^^^^^^^^
Really good question and I am not an expert but as I understand it the USB Flash-drive and the SSD have the advantage of no moving parts, the 'search time' is instantanious because your connecting electrically rather than an armature searching for bits of files.
Whether that really affects sound or not I am not completely convinced yet.
james
The Really nice part is the instant connection.I know some where else it was noted that it could take considerable time with a standard hard drive that was full to boot up. I myself want my music NOW and not 15 minutes from now.Gary
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Most modern mechanical hard drives have initial access times in or around 10 m/s. Once the data is off the platter and on the internal BUS of the computer, it shouldnt matter what the data source is. Most modern hard drives (home office) have a SATA II interface. SATA II has a 3 Gigabit per second throughput. Current USB throughput is 480 megabits i believe...in either case loads of bandwidth to deliver the goodies.....or sound bites...sorry on a post xmas diet!
cheers,
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From cold my BDP-1 takes 1min 24secs to initialise (boot). With a 1TB HDD containing 819GB of FLAC files there is an additional 12mins 12secs while the drive is scanned and the "Playlist" updated, so the total boot time is 13 minutes and 36 seconds. A ball-park estimate of 1GB/sec is not too far off. I leave mine turned-on permanently as the power consumption is very low...
After adding files, from my primary PC across the network to the BDP-1 with connected HDD, I use the Update facility within mPod to scan for the new files, this takes just a few seconds... I have not timed it, but after adding 3.28GB of 24/96 FLAC files (41 tracks) it was less than 10~15 seconds.
Regards
Russell
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sfraser that may be how it is on a computer but on the BDP-1 the above quote is what I was talking about as to wait time.Happy New Year Gary
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Do all attached USB devices have to be scanned/updated before you can hit play?
I can see this working only if a small thumb drive with your "hot" play list loads instantly , hit play then wait ............. for your 1TB drive to scan in.
Is it possible to prioritize the scan sequence of the four USB ports say front to back?
Shawn
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James - I probably missed the answer to this many moons ago. Just wondering - why would the sound be any different whether the source is a solid state drive, regular drive or flash?
I am about to start transferring my CD media to digital storage and would not want to do it twice
Thanks
I've tried a couple of thumb drives, a regular hard drive, and a solid state drive. I can't say that I noticed a difference in audio quality between them with the BDP-1. I haven't A/B tested the drives to find out.
I have to say that I am very impressed with the BDP-1 when teamed with the BDA-1. It has elevated my system's sound quality quite a bit more than I was expecting, considering I was already using the BDA-1 with a CD transport.
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Well I was told by my dealer it will arrive tomorrow.That much be a new world record in shipping.Christmas really gummed up her arrival. :nono:
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Do all attached USB devices have to be scanned/updated before you can hit play?
I can see this working only if a small thumb drive with your "hot" play list loads instantly , hit play then wait ............. for your 1TB drive to scan in.
Is it possible to prioritize the scan sequence of the four USB ports say front to back?
Shawn
Hi Shawn,
Yes the drives will load one at a time and you can access the loaded drives as the other drives are loading. You can even access files as they are being loaded so you do not have to wait for a specific drive to load completely before you can hear your music.
james
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From cold my BDP-1 takes 1min 24secs to initialise (boot). With a 1TB HDD containing 819GB of FLAC files there is an additional 12mins 12secs while the drive is scanned and the "Playlist" updated, so the total boot time is 13 minutes and 36 seconds. A ball-park estimate of 1GB/sec is not too far off. I leave mine turned-on permanently as the power consumption is very low...
After adding files, from my primary PC across the network to the BDP-1 with connected HDD, I use the Update facility within mPod to scan for the new files, this takes just a few seconds... I have not timed it, but after adding 3.28GB of 24/96 FLAC files (41 tracks) it was less than 10~15 seconds.
Regards
Russell
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sfraser that may be how it is on a computer but on the BDP-1 the above quote is what I was talking about as to wait time.Happy New Year Gary
Oops! sorry about that.
James, what is the current status in regards to supporting remote files (NAS etc. via SAMBA/cifs or NFS?). Is it still on the radar?
Cheers,
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Oops! sorry about that.
James, what is the current status in regards to supporting remote files (NAS etc. via SAMBA/cifs or NFS?). Is it still on the radar?
Cheers,
Cheers,
Yes still looking at it and the idea of a matching Bryston NAS.
james
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Cheers,
Yes still looking at it and the idea of a matching Bryston NAS.
james
James, if they have not already done so have your Engineers take a look at the squeezecenter/squeezebox server architecture using SQL/Lite. Might be some good ideas there. A bit of software running on the back end (Bryston NAS) along with a thin client on the player would take care of the long loading issues with large libraries.
Cheers, and good luck!
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/06/farewell_plastic/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/06/farewell_plastic/)
Nap. :wave:
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A different approach:
http://www.arcam.co.uk/products,solo,dacs,rDac.htm (http://www.arcam.co.uk/products,solo,dacs,rDac.htm)
note the wireless dongle to be used with a notebook.
Nap. :thumb:
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Sorry about my technology ignorance, but would tablets made by others (beside Apple Ipad) such as Samsung Galaxy, can be used to control the BDP-1 playlist? :scratch:
Thank you.
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James, if they have not already done so have your Engineers take a look at the squeezecenter/squeezebox server architecture using SQL/Lite. Might be some good ideas there. A bit of software running on the back end (Bryston NAS) along with a thin client on the player would take care of the long loading issues with large libraries.
Cheers, and good luck!
Best idea I've seen offered yet.
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I've tried a couple of thumb drives, a regular hard drive, and a solid state drive. I can't say that I noticed a difference in audio quality between them with the BDP-1. I haven't A/B tested the drives to find out.
Did you find that the Solid State Drive loaded signifacantly faster than the regular hard drive? What SSD do you use?
Thanks,
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Vipers,
as you are one of the happy BDP-1 owners...do you have an usb hub at home? if yes, would you mind to try to connect it to the BDP-1 and hook up a minimum of 2 external hdd to the hub?!?
i really would like to know if this configuration works... :wink:
al.
btw: of course anyone else is asked to try this at home, please!!!
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Hello James, I am a happy owner of bdp1, congratulations for this item.
Only 2 things you should resolve,
1 - I can not wait 10 minutes every time I turn on the BDP. I am not an expert but there are ways.
2 - interfaces Bryston maxi, mini, and mpod minions are too poor, we would need at least a version of mpod for ipad been working on this?
Sorry for my English.
However, and confirm that 'an excellent product and I'm very satisfied
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Pimandro,
you say that you have to wait EVERY time 10 minutes before the BDP-1 is going to play a song??? are you sure that you did not disconnect the hdd from your BDP and reconnected then the external drive again...this could cause the 10 minute wait?!?
best,
al.
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It takes 10 minutes to complete updates of the hard disk, if I want to hear something, but it takes 10 minutes for updates every time I turn it on
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hmmm, that's completely different from what i thought i would know about the BDP. once the hdd is hooked up and the content is detected by the BDP any song should be ready to play within a few seconds or so...10 minutes are sure a long,long wait!
maybe James can clarify the situation :scratch:
al.
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I try to be more 'clear.
When I turn on bdp it takes 10 minutes for updates.
After a short you start the songs uploaded, but to finish the 'updates every 10 minutes for my 500 gb of songs
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hmmm, that's completely different from what i thought i would know about the BDP. once the hdd is hooked up and the content is detected by the BDP any song should be ready to play within a few seconds or so...10 minutes are sure a long,long wait!
maybe James can clarify the situation :scratch:
al.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Unless the BDP has some non-volatile RAM (cause it doesnt have a disk drive) to save the indexing of the songs after an initial hard drive scan.... then yes it must rescan every time you turn it on...and that will take time.
Other optiion is not to turn off the BDP.
If I was a software architect (maybe I am :D)... I would write BACK to the hard drive a file that contains the scan index.
Then when you turn it back on.... it can re-read that (taking seconds)... or regenerate it if not found
(note that it does have some non-volatile RAM/ROM cause thats where the OS boots off... but either there isnt enough free to store the scan index... and/or this boot up time wasnt thought out)
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Did you find that the Solid State Drive loaded signifacantly faster than the regular hard drive? What SSD do you use?
Thanks,
I tried each drive with about 200GB of FLAC files on them. The solid state drive loads faster, but it still takes a few minutes from powering up the BDP to playing music. To me that isn't a big deal, but if I had a drive with a terabyte of files I would leave the BDP on all of the time. I prefer the SSD drive since it doesn't have any moving parts, and it is dead quiet.
This is the drive I purchased http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP240/ (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP240/)
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If I was a software architect (maybe I am :D)... I would write BACK to the hard drive a file that contains the scan index.
Then when you turn it back on.... it can re-read that (taking seconds)... or regenerate it if not found
Great idea!
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Hi Folks,
Yes the BDP-1 would have to reload the files after you turn it off. Thats's why I keep saying the BDP-1 is a PLAYER not a SERVER. If you use very large TB hard-drives I would leave the BDP-1 on all the time.
I recommend 500G and less drives on the rear ports - use two smaller drives rather than 1 large drive because the drives can be used while the others are loading if you want to keep turning the unit on and off.
We will certainly look at ways to speed the process up going forward.
james
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ok, thanx Rick and James.
but if the BDP has to be left ON all the time in order to avoid the time wasting reload...what is going to happen to the display? imagine you're gonna leave it on for let's say a few months or one year or even longer. will it affect the display's lifespan? i'm sure it will.
well, replacing the display after a certain time of use...not a good idea!
to turn off the display or to dimm it would help here i think ?!?!
al.
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ok, thanx Rick and James.
but if the BDP has to be left ON all the time in order to avoid the time wasting reload...what is going to happen to the display? imagine you're gonna leave it on for let's say a few months or one year or even longer. will it affect the display's lifespan? i'm sure it will.
well, replacing the display after a certain time of use...not a good idea!
to turn off the display or to dimm it would help here i think ?!?!
al.
If you leave the BDP-1 on but are not using it the display automatically turns off.
Tony
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good to know, BrysTony. problem solved!
al.
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Vipers,
as you are one of the happy BDP-1 owners...do you have an usb hub at home? if yes, would you mind to try to connect it to the BDP-1 and hook up a minimum of 2 external hdd to the hub?!?
i really would like to know if this configuration works... :wink:
al.
btw: of course anyone else is asked to try this at home, please!!!
Sorry al, unfortunately I have no hub and only 1 external Drive :duh: can anyone else test this?
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I tried each drive with about 200GB of FLAC files on them. The solid state drive loads faster, but it still takes a few minutes from powering up the BDP to playing music. To me that isn't a big deal, but if I had a drive with a terabyte of files I would leave the BDP on all of the time. I prefer the SSD drive since it doesn't have any moving parts, and it is dead quiet.
This is the drive I purchased http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP240/ (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP240/)
Thanks for the info, I was hoping the SSD would be almost instant to load, my normal HDD takes around 4mins to load 140GB, which is no problem atall.
If possible could you put a stop watch on the same files loaded from both the HDD and SSD, sorry to be a pain, but as loading times seem to be of interest at the moment it would be a worthwhile exercise :thumb:
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Thanks for the info, I was hoping the SSD would be almost instant to load, my normal HDD takes around 4mins to load 140GB, which is no problem atall.
If possible could you put a stop watch on the same files loaded from both the HDD and SSD, sorry to be a pain, but as loading times seem to be of interest at the moment it would be a worthwhile exercise :thumb:
I did use a stopwatch when I was testing the drives. The SSD took about 90 seconds to load 200GB, the HDD took almost twice that. Since the drives contain FLAC files with medium compression, that is a lot of files to load - I believe there are about 550 CD's on the drives.
Hooking up a larger drive and leaving the BDP-1 on wouldn't be a bad thing to do and it shouldn't hurt the display. I have my display set so that it is only on for a few seconds when changing tracks.
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Vipers,
as you are one of the happy BDP-1 owners...do you have an usb hub at home? if yes, would you mind to try to connect it to the BDP-1 and hook up a minimum of 2 external hdd to the hub?!?
i really would like to know if this configuration works... :wink:
al.
btw: of course anyone else is asked to try this at home, please!!!
Hi Al,
I checked this... with rather surprising results.
A passive hub (port extender) connected to one of the rear USB ports with more than one drive (stick or HDD) causes a worrying beep, beep. beep to be emitted while initialising… so I quickly powered off as I did not want to risk kyboshing my BDP-1. I guess this requires more current than the port can provide and results in an error signal.
Connecting a powered USB 2.0 hub to any of the ports initially seems to function in that all connected devices can be seen by the BDP-1, the folders can be accessed and the contents displayed (i.e. FLAC files can be seen)… but… nothing plays. Even the Bryston USB stick directly inserted to a port cannot play any of the included files.
Conclusion: No, neither port extenders nor powered USB hubs seem to work and actually prevent any other directly connected USB devices from working as well.
This cannot be considered a definitive test as I only have one powered hub and one passive port extender, but the indication is that they are not supported… I did not expect this result so I tested the hubs on a PC, and both work fine and connected devices all function fine.
Regards
Russell
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...thanx for tryin', Russel! interesting results.
al.
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I did use a stopwatch when I was testing the drives. The SSD took about 90 seconds to load 200GB, the HDD took almost twice that. Since the drives contain FLAC files with medium compression, that is a lot of files to load - I believe there are about 550 CD's on the drives.
Thanks for the info again OgOgilby, I think a 256GB SSD will be my next HiFi purchase :)
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Hi Al,
I checked this... with rather surprising results.
A passive hub (port extender) connected to one of the rear USB ports with more than one drive (stick or HDD) causes a worrying beep, beep. beep to be emitted while initialising… so I quickly powered off as I did not want to risk kyboshing my BDP-1. I guess this requires more current than the port can provide and results in an error signal.
Connecting a powered USB 2.0 hub to any of the ports initially seems to function in that all connected devices can be seen by the BDP-1, the folders can be accessed and the contents displayed (i.e. FLAC files can be seen)… but… nothing plays. Even the Bryston USB stick directly inserted to a port cannot play any of the included files.
Conclusion: No, neither port extenders nor powered USB hubs seem to work and actually prevent any other directly connected USB devices from working as well.
This cannot be considered a definitive test as I only have one powered hub and one passive port extender, but the indication is that they are not supported… I did not expect this result so I tested the hubs on a PC, and both work fine and connected devices all function fine.
Regards
Russell
I have wired ethernet into my room so I will be using one of these so I can have my drive in another room. If you dont have ethernet wired.... you can still have the drive in another room with an exposed run of ethernet...
http://www.rose.com/htm/crystallinkusb20cat5.htm
Now I am getting the small unit (CLK-1U2TP-100M).... cause its $450... and it needs to be cause extending hard drive signals needs to be done with precision.
And as you can see it will work with extenders
Peter
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I use the IPAD with mpod, I can not show him the cover, I set the ip address but nothing, anyone can 'help me?
Thanks
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Memo: Bryston Customer Feedback
Subject: New BDP-1 Digital Player
BRYSTON BDP-1 DIGITAL PLAYER FEEDBACK
James,
Additional impressions on sound (using BDP-1/ BDA-1 DAC combination):
Hi-Rez files - very impressed with the sound on Hi-Rez recordings that I have downloaded from HD-Tracks and Lynn Records as played using the BDP-1. Unit works flawlessly and appears to be extracting maximum content form FLAC files. Have a complete set of Mahler recordings (various orchestras) and the soundstage and ability to recognize individual instruments is outstanding. My speakers have more bass than I had given them credit for and the articulation and "slam" is very clear. Female vocals are beautiful as in the Hi-Rez Anna Netrebko Opera arias.
Standard CDs - I have converted about 500 CDs into FLAC file format. As a general rule I believe the sound to be equivalent to what I hear played through my high end Meridian CD player. I really love the convenience of having large portions of my collection available on individual thumb drives. I have made individual collections on 8GB thumb drives (i.e. Tone Poems, Solo Piano, Reference Recordings, etc.) and I find that I can fit about 25 one hour plus CDs on one drive. I also have archived all of my symphonic collections on a 32GB drive. I have not yet set up a network way of accessing the drives because I have been generally pleased with just using the menu structure on the BDP-1 LCD screen along with a printed page listing of the contents of each drive.
Piano is a difficult challenge for recording and playback. As an example I was extremely impressed with the Bryston combo playing Werner Haas recordings of the Debussy Complete Piano Music with an exceptionally realistic piano sound especially in the lower registers. Having attended a live concert the evening before featuring classical piano music I was pleased with how close the sound was to the live performance.
Another CD that I thought sounded exceptionally fine through the Bryston combo was Elina Garanca's new recording "Habanera." Both voice and accompanying instruments were so enthralling that I have never enjoyed a recorded experience more.
The BDP-1 has added a new dimension to my enjoyment of music - both because of the quality of sound and the convenience of access to a large CD collection without having to locate and load individual CDs.
Regards,
Larry
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James,I :no_see:, :no_hear:, :lol:,these feedback power of suggestions are slowly working on my
SUBCONSCIOUS :o, :thumb:.
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I am strongly considering the bryston combo but there are a lot of choices out there.
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I can see and access the usb thumb drives on my network from the desktop. I notice that after adding new files onto the usb thumb drives while connected to the BDP I am unable to see the new files from the bryston browser unless I pull out and plug in the usb thumb drive.
Am I missing something or is this the way it is supposed to work.
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I can see and access the usb thumb drives on my network from the desktop. I notice that after adding new files onto the usb thumb drives while connected to the BDP I am unable to see the new files from the bryston browser unless I pull out and plug in the usb thumb drive.
Am I missing something or is this the way it is supposed to work.
After you add the files go to the home page (bryston-bdp-1.local) hit 'Settings' then 'Driver Info/Sharing/Password' and hit 'Update'
james
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Thanks will try when I get back home.
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Hi Folks,
Have new liteature for the BDP-1. If anyone wants a copy please email me at jamestanner@bryston.com. It is 8 pages and 4MG.
james
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James,
was the BDP-1 developed together with the Auraliti team?
if yes, what was their input?
al.
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James,
was the BDP-1 developed toghether with the Auraliti team?
if yes, what was their input?
al.
I discussed the concept with them initially as they were using USB drives on their product. They were extremely helpful in educating me about the components available to do the job properly with audio performance being the number one priority. I have given them credit on our literature and also paid an engineering fee.
We took the idea a lot further though with the front panel display, power supply design and modified digital output stage.
They are very talented knowledgeable guys.. :thumb:
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Got the literature, James. Many thanks.
Looks like the BDA-1 in the picture has got the new style of buttons that match BDP-1?
Hi Folks,
Have new liteature for the BDP-1. If anyone wants a copy please email me at jamestanner@bryston.com. It is 8 pages and 4MG.
james
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Got the literature, James. Many thanks.
Looks like the BDA-1 in the picture has got the new style of buttons that match BDP-1?
Yes - thinking ahead. :thumb:
james
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HOT PRODUCT:
Hi James,
I'm writing to let you know that we covered the BDP-1 as part of our CES report. Here is the link to the page.
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/ces2011/ces2011_hp_bryston.htm
Marc
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a question for all BDP-1 owners and James of course:
- does the BDP supports gapless playback?
- is it possible to 'fast forward' a song?
thanx and forgive me if these questions have been asked before... :oops:
al.
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Yes,with mpod
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James
Any idea whether there will be support for Mandarin language for the Bryston MAX. I know MPOD does support it but I kinda like the build in browser.
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Has anybody managed to buy one in the UK and if so from which dealer?
Thanks,
Terry
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James
Any idea whether there will be support for Mandarin language for the Bryston MAX. I know MPOD does support it but I kinda like the build in browser.
Hi,
No sorry there are no plans at this point.
james
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Has anybody managed to buy one in the UK and if so from which dealer?
Thanks,
Terry
Hi Terry,
Yes we have already shipped 10 or so units to the UK. I sent you an email. :)
james
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Using the Ipad with the Bryston Max I notice that if the playlist is longer than the length of the screen it will not scroll down. On the desktop thru a web browser a long playlist is not a problem as there is a scroll bar.
Anybody else having the same issue?
Thanks.
vk
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Me too
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On the MAX use TWO FINGERS to scroll :)
james
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Hi Folks,
Have new liteature for the BDP-1. If anyone wants a copy please email me at jamestanner@bryston.com. It is 8 pages and 4MG.
james
Thanx for the literature James :)
Have had the Bdp1 for almost a month now , and it makes me want to listen to music all day long .
It playes all types of music equally well , Ive been listening to my thumbstich with 70th rock for over an hour now , no listening fatige ,but still detailed -an involving . I can now play alot of music ,music I like , but could not play with the cdplayer amp combo I used to have becauce of the sound . Bdp1/Bda1 seems to make the best of every cdrip and makes it a joy to listen to the music again ,not just the sound. It's like the cure for audiophilia nevrosa 8)
Btw
When do you think the new design of the Bda1 will hit the stores in Norway?
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Thanx for the literature James :)
Have had the Bdp1 for almost a month now , and it makes me want to listen to music all day long .
It playes all types of music equally well , Ive been listening to my thumbstich with 70th rock for over an hour now , no listening fatige ,but still detailed -an involving . I can now play alot of music ,music I like , but could not play with the cdplayer amp combo I used to have becauce of the sound . Bdp1/Bda1 seems to make the best of every cdrip and makes it a joy to listen to the music again ,not just the sound. It's like the cure for audiophilia nevrosa 8)
Btw
When do you think the new design of the Bda1 will hit the stores in Norway?
Hi Xinon,
Thank you for your kind words - it is truly amazing how great the response has been to the BDP-1. Sometimes when your developing a product you wonder if people will hear the differences you're hearing :scratch: In this case I am happy to report that almost all our customers have heard the advantages the BDP-1 brings to the digital world.
We hope to start building the new cosmetics on the BDA-1 starting next month :)
james
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James
Do you know approximately when in February the BDA-1 with new cosmetics will start shipping (earlier or later)
Anxious to order one to match my BDP-1 :o
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James
Do you know approximately when in February the BDA-1 with new cosmetics will start shipping (earlier or later)
Anxious to order one to match my BDP-1 :o
I would say mid month - I would order now and say you want the new cosmetics.
james
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I have now had more BDP for a few days now and loving it, however I do have one problem that I would like some advice on.
My problem is to do with interface between the Bryston Mini / Max software and a Nevo S70 remote control.
My Nevo is programmed to see the web pages of both the Mini and Max. However, with the Mini software, the Nevo does not recognise any of the “buttons” and with the Max, the only “buttons” the Nevo can see is the Previous Track / Play / Next Track.
The problem is that when you press the Previous Track / Play / Next Track the Nevo does send out the command to the Max software and BDP does carry out the command ie skip to the next track, but then the Nevo promptly crashes and has to reboot.
I have run some checks using the Nevo emulator and it comes up with an error box saying “Script Error”.
I know that a quick fix would be to go and buy an itouch or ipad etc, but that would add another control back into my system, when I had just reduced them all into one.
Therefore, can anyone offer advice that what I can do, or does it require Bryston to tweak the software to make it work.
For information prior to the BDP I had a Squeezbox connected and working through the Nevo so I know that the Nevo can control and browse web pages.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hello
I've gotten a chance to test with the Nevo Studio Pro 1.1 software and was wondering if you could, on the Nevo S70 browse to the settings page on the BDP-1 and check what the browser is detected as. This would be located under "Browser Variables" in settings.
Chris
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Chris & James,
I have carried out your instructions, however, the screen size on the Nevo S70 is only 240 x 320 and therefore, I can only see the list of System settings and not the data on the right hand side. I suppose the good thing is that I can see the screen changing and so the buttons appear to be working, and the Nevo is not crashing.
If it helps I am using Windows 7 64 bit, and I am using both Internet Explorer and Google Chrome as recommend on the settings page. For information the Nevo software is Nevo Pro 3.
The setting page on Explorer shows :
Name: Microsoft Internet Explorer
Version: 5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0)
Code Name: Mozilla
Platform: Win32
Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; AskTB5.5)
And on Chrome shows:
Name: Netscape
Version: 5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.237 Safari/534.10
Code Name: Mozilla
Platform: Win32
Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.237 Safari/534.10
Thinking allowed, if the buttons in the MINI version were of the same style / software makeup as those in the settings page then I would suggest that the MINI would work on the NEVO as long as the screen web page was no larger than 240 x 320.
I suppose the other issue might be that you state a Platform of Win 32 and I am using Win 64 - could this be causing an issue ??
Thank you for your assistance.
Richard.
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From: Gilles Lussier
Sent: Mon 1/17/2011 4:45 PM
To: Bryston
Subject: BDP-1
James Tanner
Again let me praise this new product, because now the BDP-1 is part of my system, and I just love it.
It replaces my home computer in which I had installed an M-Audio SPDIF card to read my digital files into the BDA-1.
Also, I use the J River Media Player software to convert my CD’s to flac and to manage all my digital files, etc.
I use a Raid 0 NAS to store all my files, in all formats. This works fine for me.
Gilles
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Clive and James,
Regarding my earlier post above, I have managed to pull of the data :
Name: Microsoft Internet Explorer
Version: 4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; Trident/5.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; SLCC2; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; Tablet PC 2.0; .NET4.0C; AskTB5.5)
Code Name: Mozilla
Platform: Win64
Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; Trident/5.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; SLCC2; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; Tablet PC 2.0; .NET4.0C; AskTB5.5)
I hope this helps to resolve my problem between the BDP and the Nevo....
Regards...
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Hi Ritchief,
i have never used that remote but I will pass it on to Chris our software engineer for you to see if he can help.
james
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From: Marc Villeger
Sent: January-20-11 12:07 AM
To: James Tanner
Cc: 'D Parsonson'
Subject: Latest acquisition
Hello James,
It is my pleasure to let you know that I just acquired a BDP-1 and BDA-1 to complement the sources (XXXX-ED) in my system.
This is indeed a winning combination and will be a great tool for our own recordings.
Last May I recorded Svetlana’s Siberian performance of Rachmaninov’s Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 2 with a portable in 24bit 44.1kHz recorder. After editing and mastering with Wavelab 6, I burned a master CD at 1x speed for our latest release http://ponomarevapianist.com/music_detail.php?id=10
Yet all these steps little by little degrade the sound. When my XXXXX (ED) player needed repair, I was anxious to get a good DAC coupled with my old California Audio Lab Ikon 2 while the unit was fixed. So I was interested in the BDA-1. In the process I discovered your new product and was curious to play the original digital file of Svetlana’s latest Rachmaninov CD.
I am thrilled to say that the BDP-1/BDA-1 combination brought the most details, dynamics and true timber that we’ve heard so far. It made us relive the moment!
During my purchase experience, as one of his returning customer after many years, I was kindly treated at Commercial Electronics by Dennis Parsonson who was knowledgeable and very helpful. He facilitated borrowing the DAC for a day so I could compare with my usual source before making the decision to buy one unit last month and today when I enjoyed plenty of listening time with the BDP-1 in their room and quickly made a decision to get unit #196 right away!
As expected, Bryston delivered again two great products at a superbly competitive price.
Best regards,
Dr. Marc Villéger
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HI
Interested in the product but confused about the logistics of listening from a large library, not small thumb drives.
Can anyone give a operational synopsis of how this product differs from a streamer that can immediately load or at least show a full 1TB library.
I just can't get my head around if this is a significant enough liability.
Does Bryston have plans to handle larger libraries through updates?
Sounds like a great product but not everyone can live off of thumb drives.
Thanks,
Chris
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HI
Interested in the product but confused about the logistics of listening from a large library, not small thumb drives.
Can anyone give a operational synopsis of how this product differs from a streamer that can immediately load or at least show a full 1TB library.
I just can't get my head around if this is a significant enough liability.
Does Bryston have plans to handle larger libraries through updates?
Sounds like a great product but not everyone can live off of thumb drives.
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Chris,
You can use USB drives of any type - Thumb drives or Hard-drives. I use a two 500G USB hard-drives on the two rear ports and use the front ones for Thumb-drives with specialized music. We are going to be introducing a dedicated NAS drive - probably 2TB storage and 2TB mirror in a matching cabinet.
That being said the BDP-1 is not about instant load on boot-up (although the NAS will alleviate that issue) - so if you’re looking for a system that gives you instantaneous load times upon turn-on and accessibility from anywhere in the house and streams music the BDP-1 is not for you. Once the files are loaded they are accessible immediately but not if restarting/rebooting the system.
The BDP-1 is dedicated to playing back digital files with as high fidelity and performance as possible given today’s technology up to and including 192/24 bit digital files.
I can email you the brochure if you wish which explains the BDP-1 to a much greater extent. Just email me at jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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James,
FYI, Bryston BDP-1 has been mentioned under HP's Editors' Choice article (under the 28-SST2 heading) in the latest TAS magazine. Cheers.
Klao
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James,
FYI, Bryston BDP-1 has been mentioned under HP's Editors' Choice article (under the 28-SST2 heading) in the latest TAS magazine. Cheers.
Klao
Thanks I will have a look - I did a demo for them against one of their top turntables and they said at the time they were quite impressed :)
james
PS - Klao - Feb issue?
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Thanks I will have a look - I did a demo for them against one of their top turntables and they said at the time they were quite impressed :)
james
PS - Klao - Feb issue?
Editor's Choice awards are going to be in the March issue. I think only the digital edition is available now.
Tony
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Hi James
Couple questions;
When do you anticipate you will be introducing a dedicated NAS drive - probably 2TB storage and 2TB mirror in a matching cabinet
Will cabinet be same size as BDP-1
Any prototypes/pictures available yet
What do you anticipate approx. list price to be
Will HDD be upgradeable
Had to ask ... :o
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Hi James
Couple questions;
When do you anticipate you will be introducing a dedicated NAS drive - probably 2TB storage and 2TB mirror in a matching cabinet
Will cabinet be same size as BDP-1
Any prototypes/pictures available yet
What do you anticipate approx. list price to be
Will HDD be upgradeable
Had to ask ... :o
Hi nikon,
Just looking into the options now but I hope we can package it so it matches the cosmetics and size of the BDP-1.
james
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That's right, Tony. Sorry to for the incomplete info; it's March issue #211.
Editor's Choice awards are going to be in the March issue. I think only the digital edition is available now.
Tony
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That being said the BDP-1 is not about instant load on boot-up (although the NAS will alleviate that issue) - so if you’re looking for a system that gives you instantaneous load times upon turn-on and accessibility from anywhere in the house and streams music the BDP-1 is not for you. Once the files are loaded they are accessible immediately but not if restarting/rebooting the system.
Hi James,
There's been numerous suggestions regarding storing an index of the included files in an attached HDD, this index would be updated only when a "new scan" is requested via the UI or front panel. This would make the "boot process" far quicker and negate the need for drive scanning until files have been added. Is this being worked on to be included in a future firmware release?
On another matter, and as there is no RC supplied with the BDP-1, can you please supply all of the necessary BDP-1 RC codes to Logitech. I am currently struggling with their tech support because the BDP-1 is not in their database (I have a Harmony 885).
Regards
Russell
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I would like the codes for the Harmony too :)
Thanks.
VK
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Can I add my name to that list as well, if you could post all the HEX, ASCii, Pronto codes for all your products that would be really helpful .
In particular for me the BP26, BDA & BDP...
Thank you in advance..
Rich.
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Hi Folks
Not sure on the remote code issue - email Mike Pickett on that one and see if he can offer any input mpickett@bryston.com
As for the idea of the attached drive index idea I asked our software engineer Chris about that and he said he had some concerns about loosing the entire library if a fault occurred. So I may need to understand the process a bit better before we look at that idea?
James
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As for the idea of the attached drive index idea I asked our software engineer Chris about that and he said he had some concerns about loosing the entire library if a fault occurred. So I may need to understand the process a bit better before we look at that idea?
The process is that when you start the BDP, it will "scan" the attached drive and create in the BDP RAM a list of all the files there (the "index"). The process is slow as it is done via numerous linux system calls (at least one per file).
So the idea is that once created, this "index" would be saved on the HD as a special file in the root directory.
Next time you boot it, it finds the file and reads it in RAM directly, without doing a new traversal of the directories/files.
The question is: what do you do if the IDX file gets corrupted; or the user added/removed files.
A decent answer is to have a manual "re-index" capability. Would the user press a certain button combination, the BDP would discard the existing IDX and start building it from scratch.
Of course, this would only work with a pre-amp with tone controls :wink:
nap.
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The process is that when you start the BDP, it will "scan" the attached drive and create in the BDP RAM a list of all the files there (the "index"). The process is slow as it is done via numerous linux system calls (at least one per file).
So the idea is that once created, this "index" would be saved on the HD as a special file in the root directory.
Next time you boot it, it finds the file and reads it in RAM directly, without doing a new traversal of the directories/files.
The question is: what do you do if the IDX file gets corrupted; or the user added/removed files.
A decent answer is to have a manual "re-index" capability. Would the user press a certain button combination, the BDP would discard the existing IDX and start building it from scratch.
Of course, this would only work with a pre-amp with tone controls :wink:
nap.
Hi nap,
Thanks I will pass this along.
JAMES
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Lucky me; today I got my BDP-1 (serial #221) with the Bryston thumb drive. :wink:
BTW, James, the unit is marked 240V. It should has no problem operating within the 220V-230V range output from my Torus AVR, right?
Hi Klao,
We have run out of the original 200 thumbdrives.
james
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Hi James
You mentioned that you are using a 4" xlr jumper between your bdp and bda. Are you finding any sonic advantage you like, compared to lets say a 25' xlr spread between the two components?
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I'm looking to change my S/PDIF cable over on my BDP-1 to an AES-EBU, I'm looking at Chord's Signature AES-EBU cable as they seem to have done quite alot of testing with this cable :-
http://www.chord.co.uk/products.php?pg=144&phpMyAdmin=H%2CKFxwyL5UycE7miJqts4M28nF4&phpMyAdmin=1f49bfd3cbdaa53c1e4262029d36fe8d
I've just been on the phone to Chord and they have kindly offered to lend me one as they are keen to see how it sounds with the BDP-1 as they admit that as good as the AES connection is, sometimes people have found that the S/PDIF connection can sound more musical and not as analytical.
My question really is, can I leave both the S/PDIF and AES-EBU cables connected to the BDP-1 into the BDA-1 and switch between the 2 using the buttons on the front of the BDA-1 to compare or will having both cables connected at the same time effect the sound quality in any way?
Thanks.
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Vipers, I use the S/PDIF version of that cable. I paid about £250 for it. I like Chord cables.
But since listening to a few cables at The Bristol hi-fi show, I've been hooked on TCI products. They held their own against far costlier cables. They are incredibly good, and are far better than their reasonable cost would imply.
I'm going to talk to them about an AES/EBU cable for the BDP-1.
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I have a spare RCA Nordost Siver Shadow (http://www.nordost.com/productdetail.asp?ProdID=51) for you if you're interested. New price is about 420 pounds (http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20Silver%20Shadow.htm), all yours for 275 (plus shipping).
You will need a converter plug from BNC to RCA (http://www.vandenhul.com/p_IA01.aspx), which will set you back another 7 if you buy a good one, of have one end changed by a Nordost rep.
It will outperform whatever you have now...
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Vipers, I use the S/PDIF version of that cable. I paid about £250 for it. I like Chord cables.
But since listening to a few cables at The Bristol hi-fi show, I've been hooked on TCI products. They held their own against far costlier cables. They are incredibly good, and are far better than their reasonable cost would imply.
I'm going to talk to them about an AES/EBU cable for the BDP-1.
Thanks for the info, I'd never heard of TCI Products before, but looking at their range they look pretty good and they do a range called Viper, that must be a sign :roll: I'll look into it a little more.
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I have a spare RCA Nordost Siver Shadow (http://www.nordost.com/productdetail.asp?ProdID=51) for you if you're interested. New price is about 420 pounds (http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20Silver%20Shadow.htm), all yours for 275 (plus shipping).
You will need a converter plug from BNC to RCA (http://www.vandenhul.com/p_IA01.aspx), which will set you back another 7 if you buy a good one, of have one end changed by a Nordost rep.
It will outperform whatever you have now...
Thanks for the offer, but I'm really keen to explore the AES-EBU connection for now, cheers.
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You are very welcome, Vipers.
If you can get to Bristol on Feb 25-27th, you'll enjoy a great show.
The BDP-1 will be there in the PMC room. And TCI will be auditioning there cables against many others, Chord and Nordost included.
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I'm looking to change my S/PDIF cable over on my BDP-1 to an AES-EBU, I'm looking at Chord's Signature AES-EBU cable as they seem to have done quite alot of testing with this cable :-
http://www.chord.co.uk/products.php?pg=144&phpMyAdmin=H%2CKFxwyL5UycE7miJqts4M28nF4&phpMyAdmin=1f49bfd3cbdaa53c1e4262029d36fe8d
I've just been on the phone to Chord and they have kindly offered to lend me one as they are keen to see how it sounds with the BDP-1 as they admit that as good as the AES connection is, sometimes people have found that the S/PDIF connection can sound more musical and not as analytical.
My question really is, can I leave both the S/PDIF and AES-EBU cables connected to the BDP-1 into the BDA-1 and switch between the 2 using the buttons on the front of the BDA-1 to compare or will having both cables connected at the same time effect the sound quality in any way?
Thanks.
Hi Vipers
I have the BDP-1 connected with a 1.5 meter S/PDIF 75 Ohm Silver Shadow Digital cable with RCA connectors and use RCA to BNC adapter plugs for this cable as got it new a very good price , I also connected a 1 meter Transparent Premium 110-Ohm AES/EBU Digital cable. I switch between the two using the bottons on the BDA-1 and at the moment I prefer the Nordost Silver Shadow but plan on doing more testing. If I could get a Nordost Silver Shadow Digital 75 Ohm with BNC to BNC ends for the same price I paid for the RCA to RCA I would use that one.
So good luck and ENJOY as I am loving it.
Larry
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You are very welcome, Vipers.
If you can get to Bristol on Feb 25-27th, you'll enjoy a great show.
The BDP-1 will be there in the PMC room. And TCI will be auditioning there cables against many others, Chord and Nordost included.
Hi Saveloy,
I went to Bristol last year but wasn't planning to go this year tbh, I found last year to be a little disapointing with only really the PMC/Bryston rooms and Naim rooms to sound really nice.
But now that my system is complete and I enter the realms of sorting cables to extract the maximum performance, maybe I'd find some of the smaller rooms to be more interesting this year.
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Hi Vipers
I have the BDP-1 connected with a 1.5 meter S/PDIF 75 Ohm Silver Shadow Digital cable with RCA connectors and use RCA to BNC adapter plugs for this cable as got it new a very good price , I also connected a 1 meter Transparent Premium 110-Ohm AES/EBU Digital cable. I switch between the two using the bottons on the BDA-1 and at the moment I prefer the Nordost Silver Shadow but plan on doing more testing. If I could get a Nordost Silver Shadow Digital 75 Ohm with BNC to BNC ends for the same price I paid for the RCA to RCA I would use that one.
So good luck and ENJOY as I am loving it.
Larry
Hi Larry,
Thanks for the feedback, you seem to back up what others have told me, that the AES-EBU connection is a superior connection but alot of the time the common S/PDIF interface is preffered.
I think I'll give the Chord cable a try, at least I now know that I can leave both cables connected up and do some A/B comparing, as you can't beat drawing your own conclusions.
Thanks again :)
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I may be missing something, but I don't understand why anyone would spend the money on Chord cables or the like to connect the DBA-1 to BDP-1. Is this not a digital signal? Any connection will work, unlike with an analog signal that will degrade over a poor cable. Am I wrong?
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Another thought - if the BDP to BDA cable is so important that Chord cables are warranted, what about the USB cable from the USB drive. The same logic would apply.
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Brought a black bdp home on loan. very nice :thumb:. I fumbled through getting my network to see it using gnome. It was relentless coming back with host errors. Then all of the sudden it just popped up. Running flawlessly now, controling it with my Desktop, my laptop and my ipod. Its all pretty slick.
Its sounds great too. I like it better atm using bnc over xlr. Tons of air around instruments with great dynamics..... :thumb:
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Brought a black bdp home on loan.[...] Tons of air around instruments with great dynamics..... :thumb:
Now you have to try it with a BP26. Even more air....
nap. :lol:
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Brought a black bdp home on loan. very nice :thumb:. I fumbled through getting my network to see it using gnome. It was relentless coming back with host errors. Then all of the sudden it just popped up. Running flawlessly now, controling it with my Desktop, my laptop and my ipod. Its all pretty slick.
Its sounds great too. I like it better atm using bnc over xlr. Tons of air around instruments with great dynamics..... :thumb:
Hi Werd
I had the same problem with Minion and Gnome. I got the IP address from my BDP-1 and it worked for a while until your IP changes, but thanks to my virus checker as the BDP-1 is on my network, I found it had labeled the BDP-1 as "BRYSTON-BDP-1" not as "Bryston-bdp-1.local" as per instuctions that came with the BDP-1. So I add that to Minion and Gmone and before ya know :thumb: it music that delighted my ears. LOL
Larry
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I was at the September Hi-Fi show last year nr Silverstone where Nordost demonstrated the differences between USB cables (including their BLue Heaven USB cable).
Most people reported that they could hear differences
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Now you have to try it with a BP26. Even more air....
nap. :lol:
I was amazed when the bdp powered on for the first time. Scrolling across it's led screen it read " Nice tube preamp... Nice tube preamp... Nice tube preamp.
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Hi Werd
I had the same problem with Minion and Gnome. I got the IP address from my BDP-1 and it worked for a while until your IP changes, but thanks to my virus checker as the BDP-1 is on my network, I found it had labeled the BDP-1 as "BRYSTON-BDP-1" not as "Bryston-bdp-1.local" as per instuctions that came with the BDP-1. So I add that to Minion and Gmone and before ya know :thumb: it music that delighted my ears. LOL
Larry
Hi
This morning it took a bit to get it to see it again. But its going now.... We could be commenting more about our own computers than the bdp so its not necessarily a bdp issue.
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Got Neil Young's "Harvest Moon" tracking in 192khz using xlr with no upsampling and it's glorious..... :thumb:
Its important to note that the BDP is very dependent on the USB cabling and i would assume the quality of HD also. I was using a stock usb supplied by my Omega HD. I tell you what if it wasn't for the usb stick that came with BDP (shows the bdp's potential) I might have been a bit disappointed. Lousy usb cabling washes out all the individual tones. It kind of makes everything sound the same. I put my Wireworld usb on it and it brought back the tone and texture. The usb interface is more important than the xlr/bnc connect between the bdp and the dac imo.
I would love to hear the bdp with a high performance usb and an SSD.
whoops wireworld not Nordost... hehe
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Got Neil Young's "Harvest Moon" tracking in 192khz using xlr with no upsampling and it's glorious..... :thumb:
Its important to note that the BDP is very dependent on the USB cabling and i would assume the quality of HD also. I was using a stock usb supplied by my Omega HD. I tell you what if it wasn't for the usb stick that came with BDP (shows the bdp's potential) I might have been a bit disappointed. Lousy usb cabling washes out all the individual tones. It kind of makes everything sound the same. I put my Nordest usb on it and it brought back the tone and texture. The usb interface is more important than the xlr/bnc connect between the bdp and the dac imo.
I would love to hear the bdp with a high performance usb and an SSD.
Werd,
Interesting post on the affect of USB quality on the sound. I am using a USB 3.0 SSD which requires a USB 3.0 A to Micro-B cable. I have not been able to find anything other than the standard $15 cable. I believe that they will show up in the market soon but no luck yet. Are you aware of anything out there? :scratch:
Tony
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Werd,
Interesting post on the affect of USB quality on the sound. I am using a USB 3.0 SSD which requires a USB 3.0 A to Micro-B cable. I have not been able to find anything other than the standard $15 cable. I believe that they will show up in the market soon but no luck yet. Are you aware of anything out there? :scratch:
Tony
No i havent seen any. Are all SSD drives 3.0 configured? Those HDs are very new to me. Its clearly a better usb but 2.0 usb HDs still might be better if you can't get a good usb to connect at this time.
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No i havent seen any. Are all SSD drives 3.0 configured? Those HDs are very new to me. Its clearly a better usb but 2.0 usb HDs still might be better if you can't get a good usb to connect at this time.
Werd,
USB 2.0 SSDs are available but I chose the USB 3.0 SSD because it is backwardly compatible to 2.0 and I liked it. I did not think about cables at the time. This is the drive that I purchased and it works great with the BDP-1. http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid-state-drives/usb-3-0-/ocz-enyo-usb-3-0-portable-solid-state-drive.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid-state-drives/usb-3-0-/ocz-enyo-usb-3-0-portable-solid-state-drive.html)
Tony
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Werd,
USB 2.0 SSDs are available but I chose the USB 3.0 SSD because it is backwardly compatible to 2.0 and I liked it. I did not think about cables at the time. This is the drive that I purchased and it works great with the BDP-1. http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid-state-drives/usb-3-0-/ocz-enyo-usb-3-0-portable-solid-state-drive.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid-state-drives/usb-3-0-/ocz-enyo-usb-3-0-portable-solid-state-drive.html)
Tony
What a nice HD. Thats basically what i am after eventually. Are you sure it won't fit a 2.0 usb cable?. There seems to be a lot attention to the compatibility of the two speeds.
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What a nice HD. Thats basically what i am after eventually. Are you sure it won't fit a 2.0 usb cable?. There seems to be a lot attention to the compatibility of the two speeds.
The USB 3.0 connector A is compatible with the USB 2.0 connector A but the end that plugs into the SSD is different. See http://www.frys.com/product/6171049?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG (http://www.frys.com/product/6171049?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)
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The USB 3.0 connector A is compatible with the USB 2.0 connector A but the end that plugs into the SSD is different. See http://www.frys.com/product/6171049?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG (http://www.frys.com/product/6171049?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)
Thats what i was afraid. keep that HD and go get a 2.0 ssd usb. You got like 4 usb inputs on the bdp. You will need more space anyways. I only say this because thats what i would do, i am not sure how long it will be before we see a 3.0 usb from a good wire manufacture. Looking at the usual suspects and nothing like you said.
The thing that sucks is its hard to test drive this stuff. HD and usb interface for sound that is.
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Thats what i was afraid. keep that HD and go get a 2.0 ssd usb. You got like 4 usb inputs on the bdp. You will need more space anyways. I only say this because thats what i would do, i am not sure how long it will be before we see a 3.0 usb from a good wire manufacture. Looking at the usual suspects and nothing like you said.
The thing that sucks is its hard to test drive this stuff. HD and usb interface for sound that is.
I may do that. There will be more info available as time goes on.
Tony
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I want one... :D
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Regarding the USB cable used in a BDP-1. You are better-off spending your money elsewhere and sticking with a standard cable.
The data read from a connected HDD is not "Audio data", i.e. timing, jitter, noise etc. are simply not relevant, it is just the same as reading/running a computer program, passing through the processor, memory, sound card, motherboard and all the little conductors on the motherboard. I am not of the "bits is bits” persuasion but in the case of the BDP-1, the USB cable cannot be relevant to audio quality... Unlike synchronous/asynchronous DACs taking data from a USB stream where the USB cable could make a difference because they are reading audio data where timing, jitter, noise are relevant.
Regards
Russell
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Regarding the USB cable used in a BDP-1. You are better-off spending your money elsewhere and sticking with a standard cable.
Now the problem is that Werd has a really sensitive computer, i.e. where Xcel would produce different results depending on the quality of the USB cable going to the external disk...
:lol:
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Regarding the USB cable used in a BDP-1. You are better-off spending your money elsewhere and sticking with a standard cable.
The data read from a connected HDD is not "Audio data", i.e. timing, jitter, noise etc. are simply not relevant, it is just the same as reading/running a computer program, passing through the processor, memory, sound card, motherboard and all the little conductors on the motherboard. I am not of the "bits is bits” persuasion but in the case of the BDP-1, the USB cable cannot be relevant to audio quality... Unlike synchronous/asynchronous DACs taking data from a USB stream where the USB cable could make a difference because they are reading audio data where timing, jitter, noise are relevant.
Regards
Russell
I wish that were true unfortunately its not. Your usb cable will affect the outcome of your playback if used between a HD and the bdp or a computer and a usb dac. I have tons of gear that has been money well spent. Using a generic usb cable between the HD and the bdp will make all those personal investments worthless. Its wrecks it bad when compared to usb designed for audio playback. Like i said it blurs all the tones. I am sorry you are not able to discern the difference, maybe its because you don't have a bdp and you are just guessing or maybe your gear isn't resolving enough or maybe its you just don't care to hear it and you are stuck reciting usb protocol. Generic usb crap cables are not able to be used for playback. They work but they sound like crap....
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James
Recently got a AES/EBU cable. The sound that was very good with the SPDIF connection was further enhanced with the AES/EBU connection. It is still amazing to me how good the sound is. The system comprises the following :
BDP-1, BDA-1, Pass B1 preamp, 3BSST amp and Quad ESL 63 speakers. Using Seagate 500 GB USB hard drives for storage.
The sound is so realistic and 'live' sounding that it draws me in, something that 16/44 CDs have never done before. The pace and timing even on 16/44 rips is wonderful. The dynamics are stunning and I find it remarkable that the realistic dynamic contrasts are particularly evident in the quieter parts of the music. Vocals, particularly the tonality and the texture of voices is dramatically improved.
For CD's I have ripped them to FLAC using DBPowerAmp. Have recently subscribed to Bower and Wilkins, Society of Music. Many of their downloads are in 24/48 which sounds significantly better than CD quality, and the price for one year subscription is very reasonable.
Thanks for your excellent assistance and the audition time both of which contributed to my decision to purchase the BDA-1 a year ago and the BDP-1 more recently.
Cheers
Phil
PS.
Was there a Bryston USB stick that was supposed to come with this unit?
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James
was trying to fit in the Black Cat Velose cable and the bnc connecter on the BDP broke :cry:
Is there any way to repair this.
regards
VK
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I wish that were true unfortunately its not. Your usb cable will affect the outcome of your playback if used between a HD and the bdp or a computer and a usb dac. I have tons of gear that has been money well spent. Using a generic usb cable between the HD and the bdp will make all those personal investments worthless. Its wrecks it bad when compared to usb designed for audio playback. Like i said it blurs all the tones. I am sorry you are not able to discern the difference, maybe its because you don't have a bdp and you are just guessing or maybe your gear isn't resolving enough or maybe its you just don't care to hear it and you are stuck reciting usb protocol. Generic usb crap cables are not able to be used for playback. They work but they sound like crap....
Werd,
I have a BDP-1 and a very good system that has no issues resolving details. You need to learn a little about the various technologies involved, rather than just dishing-out insults. I have explained why there will be no difference relating to the BDP-1 and how it employs the USB interface, and explained why there could be a difference when using synchronous or asynchronous streaming from a source (PC/Mac) to a DAC. One of the primary benefits of the BDP-1 is that it uses the USB interface in such a way that the source data is not adversely impacted by the storage medium or data processing prior to the conversion from 1/0s to an audio signal in the sound card. The easiest method to prove this point is to compare an HDD source with a USB thumb drive…. i.e. the thumb drive has no USB cable.
Perhaps you would care to explain why you think you perceive a difference between the different USB cables?
Of course if you really think you can hear a difference, then by all means spend your money on an expensive silver conductor USB cable… or platinum plated cryogenically treated contacts on the thumb drive… your choice.
Regards
Russell
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James
was trying to fit in the Black Cat Velose cable and the bnc connecter on the BDP broke :cry:
Is there any way to repair this.
regards
VK
Hi VK,
The connectors are soldered directly to the output board so it would have to come to service.
james
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Proud owner of a new BDP-1 here in the UK
Next task is to buy some big thumb drives.
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Werd,
I have a BDP-1 and a very good system that has no issues resolving details. You need to learn a little about the various technologies involved, rather than just dishing-out insults. I have explained why there will be no difference relating to the BDP-1 and how it employs the USB interface, and explained why there could be a difference when using synchronous or asynchronous streaming from a source (PC/Mac) to a DAC. One of the primary benefits of the BDP-1 is that it uses the USB interface in such a way that the source data is not adversely impacted by the storage medium or data processing prior to the conversion from 1/0s to an audio signal in the sound card. The easiest method to prove this point is to compare an HDD source with a USB thumb drive…. i.e. the thumb drive has no USB cable.
Perhaps you would care to explain why you think you perceive a difference between the different USB cables?
Of course if you really think you can hear a difference, then by all means spend your money on an expensive silver conductor USB cable… or platinum plated cryogenically treated contacts on the thumb drive… your choice.
Regards
Russell
The signal rides on current, its an electrical interface just like every other cable in your system. If you don't believe it try some out and find out for your self. The quality of usb will affect sound quality.... If you try and you can't hear difference then by all means use that 2 dollar cable.
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The signal rides on current, its an electrical interface just like every other cable in your system. If you don't believe it try some out and find out for your self. The quality of usb will affect sound quality.... If you try and you can't hear difference then by all means use that 2 dollar cable.
Dear Werd,
Please find attached, some suggestions so that you can get the best out of your new USB cable. :wink:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42184)
Try this again, so it can be seen this time:
Werd’s Guide to Digital bliss with the Bryston BDP-1.
If the external USB cable makes such a big difference to your ears and in your system, then here are a few tips to ensure that you’re getting the best out of that expensive USB cable:
As the rear connectors are soldered directly to the system board, they will sound better than the front connectors which use “$2 cable”, so you will need to upgrade these internal cables too.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42185)
The main-board is a computer standard board (with some customisation by Bryston, eliminating non relevant components), but the connectors are not “audiophile standard”, replace with gold plated pin versions and ensure that high silver content solder is used.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42186)
The circuit board tracks from the USB connectors are computer standard as well, so recommend bypassing these completely using solid silver, or silver stranded oxygen-free, double screened cable from the connector to the memory and memory controller.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42187)
The crystals that determine the reference clocks are only computer standard as well, these should be replaced with a version that have better than 10ppm error rate to ensure that the music data is accurately read from the USB port.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42188)
This would be a good replacement for the master clock:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42189)
The memory is not soldered to the motherboard using high silver content solder, so it is advised that each chip is de-soldered then re-soldered using appropriate material. Toshiba memory is generally regarded as giving deeper, bass reproduction… but Samsung memory gives a more airy and spacious sound, so consider replacing the memory with audiophile quality versions.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42190)
The same is true with the processor, this does not use audiophile quality solder and should be de-soldered then re-soldered using appropriate material.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42191)
At this time you may also wish to consider an Intel processor because some audiophiles believe that they produce a more natural sound.
Now, once you have done all of this, and if it makes any difference at all to the sound quality… then perhaps it can do the same for your poor grasp of the English language and also work miracles with your grammar, capitalisation and punctuation.
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The signal rides on current, its an electrical interface just like every other cable in your system. If you don't believe it try some out and find out for your self. The quality of usb will affect sound quality.... If you try and you can't hear difference then by all means use that 2 dollar cable.
Werd,
Judging by the way you write, you sound quite young… whereas I’m an old music loving fart that’s been kicking around for more than a few decades, that happens to have City & Guilds, ONC and HNC qualifications in electronic engineering. I’ve been working around computers since Steve was barely eating Apples never mind building them and Bill hadn’t yet stolen DOS and put his brand on it, CPM was the OS of choice, 8” floppy drives with 360kB capacity and hard disk drives of 10 MB were the size of a desk.
Seriously though, you need to know why you bought a BDP-1, even if it’s only to impress your mates who don’t have one. Computers are noisy, in an acoustic and electrical sense, when connecting to a DAC using synchronous USB, the inaccurate and electrically noisy computer clock is used for data reference and the music stream is often limited to 16-bit 48kHz, or maybe at a stretch 24-bit 48kHz. The receiving DAC can do quite a lot to clean-up this “dirty” audio stream (re-clocking, jitter reduction, digital lens etc.) and a decent quality USB cable may also help. But the fact is that the music data has been changed and no matter what the DAC does, it is working with different data from the original. Asynchronous DACs eliminate the poor computer clock and use their own internal timing source, this improves things considerably and can allow 24-bit 192kHz audio stream and again, a decent USB cable can help. But the audio stream is still subjected to various noise sources that change the music data.
The clever guys at Bryston came up with a better solution… build a simple computer, eliminate unnecessary circuitry (and therefore electrical noise), put in a decent power supply and don’t corrupt the music data in the first place. Simply read the raw data from the source (HDD, Flash drive, thumb drive etc.) using simplified software in a stable OS and feed the raw data to a simplified sound card, let the sound card translate to an audio stream using its high precision clocks and output to the DAC using the best available digital interfaces. In this way there is no need to clean-up the music data before the DAC does its job. The principle: don’t mess-up the data then have to correct it.
Spending money on the USB cable connecting the USB drive to the computer won’t do any harm, but it can’t do any good either… better to spend more money on the AES/EBU or BNC cable where the data is now a music stream, and can be influenced by the conductors, environment and other factors.
Regards
Russell
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Also replace all the capacitors with Auricaps, eh?
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Werd,
Judging by the way you write, you sound quite young…
I'd say that he sounds like a cable dealer.....
Nap. :lol:
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The crystals that determine the reference clocks are only computer standard as well, these should be replaced with a version that have better than 10ppm error rate to ensure that the music data is accurately read from the USB port.
This would be a good replacement for the master clock:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42189)
Actually, changing the clock into the one you suggest will definitely make a difference. I am quite surprised there is just a basic clock in there, and I wonder why the technicians at Bryston did not put in this much better one...
As for cables... Try before you buy (but you can't go wrong with Nordost).
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Welly123
RU done jisming all over this board ?. Cuz if you are you can go and try some different usb cables and maybe respond with some real experience on it. I would actually like to hear what you say on the differences or if any. There are many people here who are not interested in this form of overlording that seems to be your way of communication.
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Cuz if you are you can go and try some different usb cables and maybe respond with some real experience on it.
Here's real experience: All my computers are reading exactly the same sequence of 0s and 1s when reading the same external drive, regardless of the make of the USB cables, and I have quite a large collection of them.
Nap.
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Here's real experience: All my computers are reading exactly the same sequence of 0s and 1s when reading the same external drive, regardless of the make of the USB cables, and I have quite a large collection of them.
Nap.
Napalm your ears are capable of hearing a difference. What are you using for a usb dac?. Do you have bda?
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Napalm your ears are capable of hearing a difference. What are you using for a usb dac?. Do you have bda?
Do I need an USB DAC?
Nap.
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Do I need an USB DAC?
Nap.
Well you should have one if you are going to try and form a point of view on the differences or no differences.
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does anyone knows what kind of processor is used on the BDP-1's mainboard? any specs...??
al.
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does anyone knows what kind of processor is used on the BDP-1's mainboard? any specs...??
al.
My guess is a Marvell Kirkwood series.
Nap.
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My guess is a Marvell Kirkwood series.
Nap.
thanks, Nap. and do you know any specs?
btw, i've never heard about Kirkwood processors...are they common in the Hifi domain?
al.
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Well you should have one if you are going to try and form a point of view on the differences or no differences.
Werd, why don't you go spend the night outside wearing only underpants, it will make you hear celestial music.
nap.
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Werd, why don't you go spend the night outside wearing only underpants, it will make you hear celestial music.
nap.
Tell me more Nap !!
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thanks, Nap. btw, i've never heard about Kirkwood processors...are they common in the Hifi domain?
al.
Dunno about hi-fi but they're very common where you need a small low power board that runs Linux.
Nap.
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Tell me more Nap !!
The color of your underpants will influence the soundstage.
nap. :green:
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Hi VK,
The connectors are soldered directly to the output board so it would have to come to service.
james
Yeah My AD saw my posting and told me to bring it in.
I was looking at the connector it looks like its made of some kind of gold wire or it is just copper wire.
Cheers
VK
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The color of your underpants will influence the soundstage.
nap. :green:
Does that mean if it has a brown stripe the soundstage is not very 3D? :green:
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Welly123
RU done jisming all over this board ?. Cuz if you are you can go and try some different usb cables and maybe respond with some real experience on it. I would actually like to hear what you say on the differences or if any. There are many people here who are not interested in this form of overlording that seems to be your way of communication.
Oh well, I tried... I guess some people are just happy in their ignorance.
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I, for one, am finding this "debate" between the two of you non-productive.
Can you please desist here and take it off-line?
Werd, why don't you go spend the night outside wearing only underpants, it will make you hear celestial music.
nap.
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I, for one, am finding this "debate" between the two of you non-productive.
We don't do unpaid productivity.
Nap. :nono:
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Oh well, I tried... I guess some people are just happy in their ignorance.
Yah the same ignorance that led me to try out some different usb cables. Why would you go spend that kind of money on a BDP and then lock down your hobby because of your misconceptions? Its because you are too stubborn to challenge yourself. Its your money do what you want with it but stay off my posts.
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Thats what i was afraid. keep that HD and go get a 2.0 ssd usb. You got like 4 usb inputs on the bdp. You will need more space anyways. I only say this because thats what i would do, i am not sure how long it will be before we see a 3.0 usb from a good wire manufacture. Looking at the usual suspects and nothing like you said.
The thing that sucks is its hard to test drive this stuff. HD and usb interface for sound that is.
Werd,
OK -- Back to the conversation about USB 3.0 cables. I got a response from the three manufacturers that I contacted. Nordost said that they will have one out in the next few months. Cardas says yes but not soon -- maybe for CES 2012. Kimber says no plans due audio industry not yet adopting USB 3.0 standard.
I responded back to Nordost that I would be happy to have them send me an engineering sample for test. :D
Tony
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Say Werd, how did your listening session go last night? The temperature was just perfect...
Nap. :green:
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Werd,
OK -- Back to the conversation about USB 3.0 cables. I got a response from the three manufacturers that I contacted. Nordost said that they will have one out in the next few months. Cardas says yes but not soon -- maybe for CES 2012. Kimber says no plans due audio industry not yet adopting USB 3.0 standard.
I responded back to Nordost that I would be happy to have them send me an engineering sample for test. :D
Tony
Hi Tony
Thats some pretty fine initiative. :thumb: Hopefully Nordost will send you one. An ssd driving a 3.0 could be an improvement over a 2.0 usb without having to rummage through usb cables. I would like to hear that HD on its own as is.
I just gave the bdp back to it's owner. I have to admit i was kind of chilled by having to connect its own HD and control it remotely through ethernet. But after having one in my house and using my ipod/desktop its hard to look at other dacs and systems. Even if i found one i like better sonically(and we are talking thousands more) the functionality of this unit makes it really hard to pass up. I know Other dacs can be set up with computer control but this means using a really long cord (for me anyways) that streams the actual audio data. The longest cord with the bdp is the ethernet connect and its not transfering audio data but control commands.
Using my ipod with the bdp is about as convenient as you can get. If you are nimble enough you can build playlists but i did most of that on my desktop and scrolled though tunes on my ipod. Its too funky to ignore using the ipod imo :thumb:
You got a really nice player :thumb:
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Say Werd, how did your listening session go last night? The temperature was just perfect...
Nap. :green:
sorry man, i don't want get you turned on.... :shake:
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Keep in mind when looking for SSDs, one should select the higher reliable single-layer cell SSD over the multi-layer cell SSD designs. SLCs have a 10x longer life, consumes less power and typically a faster design. Yes it's a little more but keeping those bits safe is key.
Also make note that all SSDs will use several flash chips made from different OEMs and in the end the key difference will be in the 1) the chip used to create the SATA interface and 2) the chip used to bridge SATA and USB. Eventually this will probably become the same chip for the low-cost manufactures but the architecture is unlikely to change until USB 3.0 is fully adopted.
Also note, even if you buy an external SSD drive with USB 3.0, it will still operate in the 2.0 standard with the BDP-1 which eliminates any protocol gains USB 3.0 would offer, which is mostly speed in this case. The only advantage or disadvantage would be the chips in that design are newer. From a reliability standpoint, since the USB are defined as a harddrive (i.e. vs a USB DAC) there's no issues with data loss over that interface as the error correction is enabled and checked unlike the USB DACs where it's is ignored.
The argument for an expensive USB cable for a SSD is significantly weaker than for a USB cable for a DAC. As it annoys me, selecting a USB 3.0 drive over a 2.0 drive would likely get you to a newer analog PHY that conforms to a tighter electrical specs, which would potentially make that interface more reliable. You could argue since error correction is enabled end-to-end, the cable would have to be extremely poor for the user to hear a difference.
Most USB chips offer the ability to report errors so it would be interesting if James could get their engineers to provide a method to report that to the consumer so they would know if they have a bad USB cable or some unexplained failure with the USB device.
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Regarding the USB cable used in a BDP-1. You are better-off spending your money elsewhere and sticking with a standard cable.
The data read from a connected HDD is not "Audio data", i.e. timing, jitter, noise etc. are simply not relevant, it is just the same as reading/running a computer program, passing through the processor, memory, sound card, motherboard and all the little conductors on the motherboard. I am not of the "bits is bits” persuasion but in the case of the BDP-1, the USB cable cannot be relevant to audio quality... Unlike synchronous/asynchronous DACs taking data from a USB stream where the USB cable could make a difference because they are reading audio data where timing, jitter, noise are relevant.
Regards
Russell
Actually Russell seems to have already address the USB cable for SSD topic effectively and a second time in true EE fashion, kinda made my day. Don't take it personally Werd, that's how we EEs think and to bend our views will require to point out what we didn't test, but he is correct. Russell, to keep the theme, why did you select silver over gold solder? Anyways no need to flame me, sorry for the addressing this via my angle a second time.
I will point out it would be beneficial for digital transports, players and DACs to report data failures. It would also be interesting for the audiophile type magazines to review this as well.
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I spoke to James a while back about usb3 versues usb 2 and he said some what the same as Skunark " even if you buy an external SSD drive with USB 3.0, it will still operate in the 2.0 standard with the BDP-1 which eliminates any protocol gains USB 3.0 would offer, which is mostly speed in this case" The BDP-1 and BDA-1 have usb 2 inputs.
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Actually Russell seems to have already address the USB cable for SSD topic effectively and a second time in true EE fashion, kinda made my day. Don't take it personally Werd, that's how we EEs think and to bend our views will require to point out what we didn't test, but he is correct. Russell, to keep the theme, why did you select silver over gold solder? Anyways no need to flame me, sorry for the addressing this via my angle a second time.
I will point out it would be beneficial for digital transports, players and DACs to report data failures. It would also be interesting for the audiophile type magazines to review this as well.
Thats ok Skunark. :thumb:. I was never suggesting this was an electrical issue. Its a pure biological issue on the basis of hearing and listening. I wouldn't expect an EE to be able answer that anyways. I am coming at this from a hobby point of view. Go ahead and talk shop about electical matters and i will talk about what it sounds like.
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I recall a discussion on this board where James said that USB 3.0 was not required because 2.0 was fast enough for transfer of music files. I agree but it may have been faster for updating the file index for the BDP-1 but we will not know that because the BDP-1 uses the 2.0 protocol. As for SSDs, they offer the advantage of no physical noise and speed. Today, most external SSDs are USB 3.0 protocol and that requires a different connector on the SSD end. The only cables currently available are the cheap, made in China variety. Is that "good enough"? I have no idea, but I do know that as soon as an "audiophile quality" USB 3.0 cable is available from one of the known high quality cable manufacturers, I will try it.
Tony
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Yah the same ignorance that led me to try out some different usb cables. Why would you go spend that kind of money on a BDP and then lock down your hobby because of your misconceptions? Its because you are too stubborn to challenge yourself. Its your money do what you want with it but stay off my posts.
Werd,
You contradict yourself every other post, and every post you prove your stupidity. I suggest that you commence a hobby that you do understand, like assembling Lego bricks… rather than allow music to reverberate around in the empty space between your ears. Just to put you straight on a few points, although it will probably be beyond your understanding and you will follow with more irrelevant and inane comments:
1) I have a BDP-1, serial number 00014. I have had it for a number of months now and plenty of opportunity to experiment and listen. I see from a previous post of yours, that you do not have one.
2) I have tried a number of USB sources, including different types of Flash/Thumb drives, SSD HDDs and conventional HDDs. The fact that I (and some like-minded friends) hear no difference between multiple Thumb drives SSDs and the HDDs supports the fact that the USB cable can make no difference with this implementation. Otherwise a thumb drive would be superior because it has no cable. The reason that a number of brands and types of thumb drives were available is because my friends brought some of their favourite and familiar tracks on a variety of USB devices.
3) Because the Flash/Thumb drive has no cable, it is reasonable to use this as a reference. In the (impossible) event that a USB cable employed with the BDP-1 does change the sound then it can only be adding colouration compared to the Flash/Thumb drive reference. In this (still impossible) event, you may actually prefer the changed sound, but then the cable is acting as a tone control and you are no longer listening to the source the way the musician/producer intended. i.e. it is no longer faithful to the original.
So, one more time, I challenge you to attempt to prove your point, and incidentally prove that you may have something of value between your ears.
Regards
Russell
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does anyone knows what kind of processor is used on the BDP-1's mainboard? any specs...??
al.
The processor is AMD I believe this is the model and basic specs:
· AMD Geode LX CPU, 500 MHz 5x86 CPU,
· 256 KB cache (64K data + 64K instruction + 128K L2)
Regards
Russell
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...allright, Russell. thank you.
al.
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Not that I want to fan the flames, but I have a simple question re the USB cable debate. If the quality of USB cable from the HDD to the BDP-1 impacts the quality of the music, then doesn't it also stand to reason that the quality of the USB cable from the PC to the HDD during the ripping phase would also impact the quality of the music? After all, each cable serves exactly the same purpose. So if you're using a standard computer cable to feed the HDD when ripping, you have already "degraded" the music. How would an expensive USB cable from the HDD to the BDP reverse that?
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I believe the motherboard used in the BDP-1 only supports USB2
Thereagain, if you're copying stuff to the SSD from your PC and your PC supports USB3 then getting music onto the SSD will be quicker - much like a digital camera & compact flash cards (but in reverse!)
I recall a discussion on this board where James said that USB 3.0 was not required because 2.0 was fast enough for transfer of music files. I agree but it may have been faster for updating the file index for the BDP-1 but we will not know that because the BDP-1 uses the 2.0 protocol. As for SSDs, they offer the advantage of no physical noise and speed. Today, most external SSDs are USB 3.0 protocol and that requires a different connector on the SSD end. The only cables currently available are the cheap, made in China variety. Is that "good enough"? I have no idea, but I do know that as soon as an "audiophile quality" USB 3.0 cable is available from one of the known high quality cable manufacturers, I will try it.
Tony
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I've read the same too (but the articles were quite old - don't know if MLCs have improved since then)
I've just checked the prices of SLCs and the ones I've found are horribly expensive compared to MLCs.
The ones I've found are enterprise grade though rather than consumer grade
Keep in mind when looking for SSDs, one should select the higher reliable single-layer cell SSD over the multi-layer cell SSD designs. SLCs have a 10x longer life, consumes less power and typically a faster design. Yes it's a little more but keeping those bits safe is key.
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I've read the same too (but the articles were quite old - don't know if MLCs have improved since then)
I've just checked the prices of SLCs and the ones I've found are horribly expensive compared to MLCs.
The ones I've found are enterprise grade though rather than consumer grade
I purchased an OCZ Enyo external SSD that uses MLC flash technology. OCZ claims a Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) of 1.5 million hours. I don't know how they analyzed the failure rates and arrived at that MTBF but it is 171 years of operation and certainly indicates that reliability is not a problem.
Tony
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3) Because the Flash/Thumb drive has no cable, it is reasonable to use this as a reference. In the (impossible) event that a USB cable employed with the BDP-1 does change the sound then it can only be adding colouration compared to the Flash/Thumb drive reference. In this (still impossible) event, you may actually prefer the changed sound, but then the cable is acting as a tone control and you are no longer listening to the source the way the musician/producer intended. i.e. it is no longer faithful to the original.
So, one more time, I challenge you to attempt to prove your point, and incidentally prove that you may have something of value between your ears.
Regards
Russell
Wally
This will be the last time i make post to you. If you stop stroking your own ego and read my posts you will find my first post references the usb stick supplied by Bryston as reference. For the short time it was available to me it was beyond obvious of the sonic drawbacks of throwing a generic usb between my omega hd and the bdp. Put your comb down and go find my post yourself its all there.
As far as proving my point. I am not sure i know what you want me to prove to you. It could be that if you can't hear a difference with a usb cable your gear past the bdp is probably a lot like your ego.... junk and hard to listen to. Or maybe you want me to prove that you need to learn how to listen to a stereo..... idk.
But what ever it is please don't tell me. This has turned unbearable.
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I purchased an OCZ Enyo external SSD that uses MLC flash technology. OCZ claims a Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) of 1.5 million hours. I don't know how they analyzed the failure rates and arrived at that MTBF but it is 171 years of operation and certainly indicates that reliability is not a problem.
Tony
It can all boil down to how OCZ feels the end-user will use the product. But a 1.5 million hours MBTF and a 3 year warranty should indicate OCZ has a marketing department and probably not a legal department.
SLC will start to fail after 100,000 writes where MLC will start to fail after 10,000 writes. It's not as bad as it sounds as it's typically a write to the smallest writable block that will fail. Without googling the flash chip they use internally, if you assumed that a writable block was small (say 4KB), then for a 64GB that could hold 2000 uncompressed lossless files (12k blocks per 50MB wave file) that works out to twenty million transfers for the best case before a user would see a failure.
That sounds pretty good, but the nature of HDDs and file systems indicates that you will most likely start to see failures much early than that. Mostly due to the fact that that the filesystem keeps a tables that tracks the files on the drive, these tables will be updated on every write and that organization will mostly determine how long the drive will operate before the first failure. So every file copied, tag update, album artwork update, etc will decrease the life of the drive.
Also, if you notice most SSD manufactures tell you to not defrag SSDs for two reasons: 1) its not needed 2) reduces the life of the drive. But keep in mind like HDD, SSDs will also use error correction techniques to extend the life even further (just like HDD) and just reviewing a few of the OCZ drives, appears they enable 512/24 byte ECC technique with their controllers providing more longevity with the drives.
It's hard to put an actual, real-life number on how long a MLC drive will last and as long as you keep adequate backups, you can save some cash on the SSD and buy a more expensive USB cable. But if I was going to spend your dollars for you, the SLC drive IMO would actually provide a benefit over an expensive USB cable as any data failure there would be audio gaps in the music.
To me a key point of the BDP-1 is to avoid the short comings of isochronous USB audio and you are able to drive your DAC using the AES connector. You are essentially migrating to a worse case jitter of 1 miliseconds to tens of picoseconds.
Werd, if your USB drive isn't self powered (i.e. wall wart) and if your USB cables are of different length, then perhaps you are hearing noise from the power supply. Leakage loss could be used to explain that. Probably an easy test is to determine this is to use a UPS on all your gear. That is a bit extreme though. If the drive is bus-powered then perhaps it's placement of the drive?
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Good rule of thumb with any type of hard drive is "not if it will fail but when it will fail" budget for 2 drives and make a backup.
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BrysTony, can you please tell me if your OCZ Enyo SSD came pre-formatted in Fat32?
Kyri
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BrysTony, can you please tell me if your OCZ Enyo SSD came pre-formatted in Fat32?
Kyri
The SSD's I have are NTSF but I reformat them to Fat32.
Most USB Thumbdrives come formatted Fat32 and most USB Hardrives are formated NTSF
I believe the MAC units are OS but not sure on that?
james
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BrysTony, can you please tell me if your OCZ Enyo SSD came pre-formatted in Fat32?
Kyri
Kyri,
The OCZ Enyo SSD comes un-formatted. Formatting is easy to do -- it even comes with format instructions for both PC and Mac if you need them. Using an iMac I formatted mine FAT32 and it works perfectly with the BDP-1.
Tony
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Thank you the both of you. I know some SSDs come pre-formatted in Fat 32.
I'm a little concerned using Windows to re-format, since I have read it can be a bit of an arse!
I'll find out soon enough.
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As someone who consults at the highest levels of computer infrastructure (30+ years) with corporate computer systems that support the databases that run these corporations (and I am talking Fortune 50 (that’s fifty) companies here), we internally have no debate about the type of Ethernet cables, SAN fibre channel cables etc that are used.
And we arent talking low end Windows or Linux servers... we are talking multi-multi-million dollar Unix systems with downtime requirements measured in minutes a year.
Robust and reliable is the benchmark for corporate infrastructure cables (with the caveat that the highest quality glass is needed for SAN fibre channel cables given the high bandwidths/run lengths they need to support but in this USB cable debate we are talking copper)
Once you have those parameters squared away (Robust and reliable) ... the computer infrastructure components don’t care if you use long crystal copper or you use a special Dialectic or twice the number of strands or some special helix winding pattern etc.
You can string Ethernet cable 50m or 100m with no signal loss.
Yes, USB is a different protocol , but underneath fibre channel/Ethernet/USB are all packet based protocols.. its just the resilience of the sender/receiver to packet loss/retry that’s different.
USB has a very limited cable distance without a repeater (5m max) but the point is, the packet sender/receiver don’t perceive any differences on cable quality... with reference to two cables that aren’t broken in some way.
If you plug in a cable and the sender/receiver can handshake reliably, job done.
So in my view, high priced USB cables are a con and they would not contribute to any SQ difference.
Peter
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Ahhh yes the classic debate over cables....be it XLR's,Fiber,RCA's,Speaker Cable and now....Ethernet cable ...........it will go on and on and on and on.....ect.... :lol: ....gotta love it.
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Ahhh yes the classic debate over cables....be it XLR's,Fiber,RCA's,Speaker Cable and now....Ethernet cable ...........it will go on and on and on and on.....ect.... :lol: ....gotta love it.
Well... I think you have to divorce the protocol from the cable to some degree and also analogue verses digital.
For example, if BNC SP/DIF needs 75ohm's to be seen by the sender/reciever then yes a cable thats 40ohm WILL affect sound quailty to some degree and yes RFI rejection also comes into play so there is some requirement that cables address this but after that point it becomes diminshing returns relative to cost.
I am not going to get into a debate relative to AUDIO cables but USB cables are not audio cables... and the sender/receivers and the software used inside these sender/recievers has more to do with the quality than the cables.
There are 100's of companies making USB sender/recievers and to me the real debate over USB should be the sender/reciever quality NOT the cables.
Peter
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The first magazine review has appeared here in England, in Hi-fi Choice magazine.
A 5 star review. However, the reviewer wasn't convinced with the concept. Suggesting that streaming ability would not have compromised sound quality.
He actually states that the sound reproduction sits slightly behind CD quality. Until he transplanted the BDA-1 for an Antelope Zodiac + DAC.
So he was less impressed with the BDA-1.
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Hi savloy
Thanks for the info on the review - so the BDP-1 got 5 starts but only with the prefered DAC?
james
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I am patiently waiting for the BDAP-1 i.e. a BDP with internal DAC. Where the "BDP" part pumps bits from the drive into a memory buffer and the "BDA" part takes them from the buffer driven by a precision clock.
Nap. :green:
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Werd, this is the absolutely best USB cable for your application:
(http://)
Nap. :wink:
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Ahhh yes the classic debate over cables....be it XLR's,Fiber,RCA's,Speaker Cable and now....Ethernet cable ...........it will go on and on and on and on.....ect.... :lol: ....gotta love it.
:lol:
I know.....whether its analogue or digital its always goes like this. You got one side who will have some good experience with cable and have developed a taste or a cable strategy. So they are willing to experiment. VS. The people who are dead set in their dogma and have zilch for experience incoporating a cable strategy. Maybe been burned once or twice in the past by trying to insert a cable quality(brand)that clearly was not synergistic. So its a no go from then on and eveybody is going to hear about it...... :lol:
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James,
The review struck me as contradictory. The same magazine reviewed the BDA-1 at release, but not the same reviewer. Who loved it, suggesting it was a 'high end' product.
So yes, it does seem that the BDP-1 earnt its 5 stars with the aid of the other DAC.
Napalm, that is something the reviewer suggested, citing a lack of any drawbacks.
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Hi saveloy,
OK thanks - I felt it would be important that people could use the BDP-1 with DAC's they prefer.
james
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Hi saveloy,
OK thanks - I felt it would be important that people could use the BDP-1 with DAC's they prefer.
James
Albeit inferior ones, James!
Kyri
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Albeit inferior ones, James!
Kyri
james
Is there a link to the review?
james
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Werd, this is the absolutely best USB cable for your application:
(http://)
Nap. :wink:
How many carets?
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Is there a link to the review?
james
The review has not been posted yet. But it should appear here soon.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews
Kyri
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How many carets?
They're actually small Shakti stones. If you still feel they're insufficient, you can add a pair of Shakti on-lines:
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm (http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm)
Nap. :wink:
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The review has not been posted yet. But it should appear here soon.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews
Kyri
Thanks Kyri - much appreciated.
james
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Hi saveloy,
OK thanks - I felt it would be important that people could use the BDP-1 with DAC's they prefer.
james
Mhh I saw that coming. The BDAP-1 may of course have a BNC output for those inclined to use an external DAC.....
Nap. :wink:
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James,
Knowing PMC's preference, vis a vis UK hi-fi magazines, it's safe to say that there will be at least one more review coming up soon.
I shall keep you posted.
Kyri
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EXPLANATION OF DIGITAL DATA TRANSFER IN BDP-1
The BDP-1 reads the data into the memory (i.e. RAM in the BDP-1) and passes it to the music processor (sound card) which is the first time that you must consider it "music"... up until this point it is just computer data and not subjected to all of the adverse influences and correction/elimination techniques.
james
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EXPLINATION OF DIGITAL DATA TRANSFER IN BDP-1
The BDP-1 reads the data into the client memory (i.e. RAM in the BDP-1) and passes it to the music processor (sound card) which is the first time that you must consider it "music"... up until this point it is just computer data and not subjected to all of the adverse influences and correction/elimination techniques.
james
James,
In a similar vein, with regard to the review. The reviewer suggests that the BDP-1 would be better served, in terms of jitter, if it had the DAC within the same casework.
I understand all of your arguments against this, but that is how 'everybody else' does it.
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They're actually small Shakti stones. If you still feel they're insufficient, you can add a pair of Shakti on-lines:
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm (http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm)
Nap. :wink:
OMG those are hilarious... Reduces EMI, increases the horse-power on your car, snap on with velcro strips and lasts a lifetime.. There's so many things wrong with their understanding of EMI.
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James,
In a similar vein, with regard to the review. The reviewer suggests that the BDP-1 would be better served, in terms of jitter, if it had the DAC within the same casework.
I understand all of your arguments against this, but that is how 'everybody else' does it.
Well we disagree of course but to each his own I guess.
james
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Thank Christ,Bryston isn't everybody else :thumb:.
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Thank Christ,Bryston isn't everybody else :thumb:.
Amen
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Not that I want to fan the flames, but I have a simple question re the USB cable debate. If the quality of USB cable from the HDD to the BDP-1 impacts the quality of the music, then doesn't it also stand to reason that the quality of the USB cable from the PC to the HDD during the ripping phase would also impact the quality of the music? After all, each cable serves exactly the same purpose. So if you're using a standard computer cable to feed the HDD when ripping, you have already "degraded" the music. How would an expensive USB cable from the HDD to the BDP reverse that?
Hi
This is an excellent question. It points out the reason why we have conflicting opinions (or at least i do) on the subject. The notion put forward by pretty much everybody is that the HD isn't sending audio data but just raw data from the HD to the bdp1. Its been further clarified that its directed to the ram where it becomes audio data by the bdp1 where its then sent off to a dac in either redbook or hirez. Its also been mentioned that since its "raw data" that the usb cable isnt consider an audio cable into the bdp1. All this is the basis for the idea that the usb is not a factor in play.
Ok now to answer your question. Why is the usb cable seemingly not important at times of ripping but important at times of audio playback using a computer or a device like the bdp?.
The answer is really simple. The answer is "there is no free lunch in digital playback !!". Lets take my system for eg. The system i built i would consider to be capable of hi resolution. Its a very sensitive system and will respond to small changes in playback. The amp i use is a 650 watt 14Bsq. Brand new and its beautiful, everyone should have one.... :thumb:. It picks up everything. I also have a very nice AC Torus power block in 240v balanced and an excellent cable scheme. It is really really sensitive to small changes. This is where just using a computer for downloading and using a computer for playback things start to become different.
Everything that encompasses my digital playback gets amplified. I mean everything. This is what makes computer or cd playback so lousy. All the noise, all the cabling, all the week engineering. Including vibration due to an inferior chassis gets amplified. Not saying this is what i have now but what i need to draw attention to or things can sound pretty noisey and distorted.
What also gets amplified is running an outboard HD into a device like the BDP1. I really wish that the bdp1 was the starting gate for playback. I really was hoping that the bdp1 would sort it all out and be the impenetrable fence between the HD and the dac. For playback using an external HD unfortunately it isnt. But the good new is with a usb stick it is and is very respectable.
So when i say "there is no free lunch in digital playback" this means you can not go throw any HD with any usb on the bdp1 with the kind of system i have and many other systems present on this board with out tending to the noise. You can reduce the damage significantly. One way i found was by improving the usb interface between the HD and the BDP. My feelings are not the cabling but the connects. The connects on my wireworld starlight are leaps and bounds better than what i see on the piece of shit usb i started with. I believe there is noise reduction benefits to this Wireworld usb. BTW this usb cable is 7 mtrs to boot. :o
Ok what did it sound like
Skunark was kind enough to make a very pertinent observation regarding the powersupply or wallwart. The wallwort on this HD is under powered. Its shows up in the bass and i have lost a lot presence using it, especially compared to the provided usb stick by Bryston. I would also say its nothing short of menace for emitting noise back into my line.
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This is where James you need to sit down..... What it also did was carry a high pitch glare with it on everynote and every beat the song had. It reminded me of 9pin dot matrix printer that i still use at work. Every time the printer hits the paper it emits a high slam printer drone that either gets faster or slower but the pitch is the same. This is what the bdp reminded me of with my Omega HD and crap usb cable to it.
This is not the way the bdp sounds with the provided usb stick by Bryston. I was so relieved when i put that stick in because showed me the real capablity of the bdp. It also improved with the wireworld. There was still noise issues and it felt underpowered. Favorably it had better bass and the printer comparison was no longer there. All the bad stuff can be worked with. Better HD with a decent powersupply is great place to start.
So why am i annoyed. Well when i have an experience like this and i post it. I post it in good faith. Unfortunately there is a culture of audio naysayer enthusiam that seem to think the conditions needed to rip cd's is the same type of interface that can be used for playback. That is absolute nonsense. I know first hand that "there is no free lunch in digital playback".....
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Skunark was kind enough to make a very pertinent observation regarding the powersupply or wallwart. The wallwort on this HD is under powered. Its shows up in the bass and i have lost a lot presence using it, especially compared to the provided usb stick by Bryston. I would also say its nothing short of menace for emitting noise back into my line.
Hang on here Werd, my comment is mostly to the fact that wallwarts tend to be noisy and that noise could bleed onto other components on the same circuit much like having a dimmer switch or a refrigerator on the same circuit as your gear, which to me is bad form. Most wallwarts are ON when plugged in with no regard of what is connected to it, but that could be the subtle difference you notice between the thumbdrive and the wallwarts. With that said, noisy supply or not, the USB HDD will deliver the data safely to the RAM in the BDP-1 unaltered, and no different than a usb thumb drive.
If you would like, I could explain in great detail how the HDD/SSD, SATA to USB controller, PHY, DLL, etc., uses several different error correction and detection techniques, along with the fact that a USB HDD will also retry any data when a failure is detected. You might google the OSI model, but for USB there's several error correction schemes in play for a usb hdd device and really it's just down to unrecoverable device fault or crash for any real failure.
A USB DAC is different, it's classified as an "usb audio device" and will use an isochronous protocol that doesn't allow for retries or even check for errors. This works fine for those cheap headsets you might use on a conference call and for lower reliability applications. To me it's very poor choice for an audiophile to use as a solution since the consequence is losing a millisecond of audio, and if I remember correctly it would be one channel which also lends to the high jitter commonly found in older USB DACs. Correct setups have shown that you can have amazingly good USB DAC solution with jitter in the picoseconds, but this isn't my choice.
The robustness of the BDP-1 as a transport eliminates this concern I have for hi-rez playback, first you have a reliable USB connectors for HDD and thumbdrives, embedded linux computer that doesn't alter the hi-rez content and ships it out on an AES-EBU digital output. Technically it's the most robust hi-rez player out today.
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Hang on here Werd, my comment is mostly to the fact that wallwarts tend to be noisy and would that noise could bleed onto other components on the same circuit much like having a dimmer switch or your refrigerator on the same circuit as your gear, which to me is bad form. Most wallwarts are ON when plugged in with no regard of what is connected to it, but that could be the subtle difference you notice between the thumbdrive and the wallwarts. With that said, noisy supply or not, the USB HDD will deliver the data safely to the RAM in the BDP-1 unaltered, and no different than a usb thumb drive.
If you would like, I could explain in great detail how the HDD/SSD, SATA to USB controller, PHY, DLL, etc., uses several different error correction and detection techniques, along with the fact that a USB HDD will also retry any data when a failure is detected. You might google the OSI model, but for USB there's several error correction schemes in play for a usb hdd device and really it's just down to unrecoverable device fault or crash for any real failure.
A USB DAC is different, it's classified as an "usb audio device" and will use an isochronous protocol that doesn't allow for retries or checks for errors. This works fine for those cheap headsets you might use on a conference call and for lower reliability applications. To me it's very poor choice for an audiophile to use as a solution since the consequence is losing a millisecond of audio, and if i remember correctly it would be one channel which also lends to the high jitter found in older USB DACs. Correct setups have shown that you can have amazingly good USB DAC solution with jitter in the picoseconds, but this isn't my choice.
The robustness of the BDP-1 as a transport eliminates this concern I have for hi-rez playback, first you have a reliable USB connectors for HDD and thumbdrives, embedded linux computer that doesn't alter the hi-rez content and ships it out on an AES-EBU digital output. Technically it's the most robust hi-rez player out today.
Skunark,
I wish you lots of luck with giving any explanation to Werd, he doesn't seem to want to understand or listen to reasonable argument.
But, thank you for your detailed explanation, which to me at least makes perfect sense.
James, regarding our PMs, sounds like Skunark will be able to provide more assistance.
Regards
Russell
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Wally
This will be the last time i make post to you. If you stop stroking your own ego and read my posts you will find my first post references the usb stick supplied by Bryston as reference. For the short time it was available to me it was beyond obvious of the sonic drawbacks of throwing a generic usb between my omega hd and the bdp. Put your comb down and go find my post yourself its all there.
As far as proving my point. I am not sure i know what you want me to prove to you. It could be that if you can't hear a difference with a usb cable your gear past the bdp is probably a lot like your ego.... junk and hard to listen to. Or maybe you want me to prove that you need to learn how to listen to a stereo..... idk.
But what ever it is please don't tell me. This has turned unbearable.
Werd,
Excellent news, I can understand why your stupidity has become unbearable... even to you.
Damn, now I have stooped to your exceedingly low level of not making any positive contribution within a post.
Regards
Russell
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As someone who consults at the highest levels of computer infrastructure (30+ years) with corporate computer systems that support the databases that run these corporations (and I am talking Fortune 50 (that’s fifty) companies here), we internally have no debate about the type of Ethernet cables, SAN fibre channel cables etc that are used.
And we arent talking low end Windows or Linux servers... we are talking multi-multi-million dollar Unix systems with downtime requirements measured in minutes a year.
Robust and reliable is the benchmark for corporate infrastructure cables (with the caveat that the highest quality glass is needed for SAN fibre channel cables given the high bandwidths/run lengths they need to support but in this USB cable debate we are talking copper)
Once you have those parameters squared away (Robust and reliable) ... the computer infrastructure components don’t care if you use long crystal copper or you use a special Dialectic or twice the number of strands or some special helix winding pattern etc.
You can string Ethernet cable 50m or 100m with no signal loss.
Yes, USB is a different protocol , but underneath fibre channel/Ethernet/USB are all packet based protocols.. its just the resilience of the sender/receiver to packet loss/retry that’s different.
USB has a very limited cable distance without a repeater (5m max) but the point is, the packet sender/receiver don’t perceive any differences on cable quality... with reference to two cables that aren’t broken in some way.
If you plug in a cable and the sender/receiver can handshake reliably, job done.
So in my view, high priced USB cables are a con and they would not contribute to any SQ difference.
Peter
Peter,
Thank you for restoring my faith, with a very intelligent contribution and from a professional "in the business".
It is obvious that I was becoming frustrated. :duh:
Regards
Russell
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Here's an idea...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Freecom-Network-Drive-Aluminium-Enclosure/dp/B0018F9OEO
You can access it from your PC via your network and the BDP-1 can access it via USB
You can even put one of your SSDs in it.
I've seen other cases that allow two drives so you can have RAID 1
Any thoughts
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Ok what did it sound like
Lame.
Copy a file from one external drive to another, using any combination of USB cables you can. Now compare the original with the copy. Are they identical bit to bit? Of course they are so how can you explain that there was no "loss of bass and clarity" in this simple experiment?
Nap.
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From: Barbara
Sent: February 2, 2011 11:41 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: RE: BDP-1
Hi James,
I have the BDP-1 playing now. I really like being able to control the player via Minion. Sounds absolutely wonderful.
I did an A/B comparison with sourcing the same 44.1 wav music through the bryston vs playing through the marantz receiver SR7005 via the NAS files. Even the 44.1 music sounds fuller through the bryston (BDP and BDA pair) which represents the largest volume of my collection. I did download many files from hdtracks and am loving the hi res music. I wish more rock and pop type music was available in hi res which I suspect is currently frantically being remastered to meet the expected furture demand for hi res. I did check out the web sites you sent to me but most were classical and jazz.
Thanks for listening to my input. I am a product manager of a software line of business and I always like to receive input from my customers.
Kind Regards,
Barbara
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Lame.
Copy a file from one external drive to another, using any combination of USB cables you can. Now compare the original with the copy. Are they identical bit to bit? Of course they are so how can you explain that there was no "loss of bass and clarity" in this simple experiment?
Nap.
Nap i used that same crappy usb cable to back up all my tunes on that omega HD. Yes its works, i agree that in normal use computers are setup to work like you say. You would know more about that than me.
The difference is once you start using it in a playback audio system it changes. Its because you now have your digital source hooked up to an amplifier used to drive loudspeakers. Everything gets amplified. Its mostly due to the quality of gear out right now. Bryston and other manufactures are building really sensitive high energy playback systems. These systems pick everything up now coming off the source. Literally everything and that includes harddrive quality and their power supplies.
I really don't know why the bass was affected, other than something in the lousy Omega power supply crapping out. :scratch:
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Nap
Here is a good visual of what probably happens at Drummermitchels house everytime he fires up his tunes using the 28's and his massive torus array of power recovery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luZQOqF6oYk&feature=related
The gear now is supercharged. :thumb: :icon_lol:
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:lol:,good one Werd,that explains why I have very little hair,whew,POWER,I like it,even if I don't use it all,I rest easy except for the death grip on my armrests :thumb:.
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Nap i used that same crappy usb cable to back up all my tunes on that omega HD. Yes its works, i agree that in normal use computers are setup to work like you say. You would know more about that than me.
The difference is once you start using it in a playback audio system it changes. Its because you now have your digital source hooked up to an amplifier used to drive loudspeakers. Everything gets amplified. Its mostly due to the quality of gear out right now. Bryston and other manufactures are building really sensitive high energy playback systems. These systems pick everything up now coming off the source. Literally everything and that includes harddrive quality and their power supplies.
I really don't know why the bass was affected, other than something in the lousy Omega power supply crapping out. :scratch:
Werd, the BDP will read the same sequence of 0s and 1s from the external disk no matter what you do. Unless u use a defective cable or disk but at that point it will probably just lock/crash/refuse to work any further.
What you're saying there with some merit is that if you also connect some externally powered thing to the BDP, then you might inject some analog noise into its analog circuits (ground loops anyone?). But that would affect just the BDP-1 analog outputs if it had ones.
Nap.
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Werd, the BDP will read the same sequence of 0s and 1s from the external disk no matter what you do. Unless u use a defective cable or disk but at that point it will probably just lock/crash/refuse to work any further.
What you're saying there with some merit is that if you also connect some externally powered thing to the BDP, then you might inject some analog noise into its analog circuits (ground loops anyone?). But that would affect just the BDP-1 analog outputs if it had ones.
Nap.
Werd, just go pick up a bus-powered USB HDD (aka mobile drive)... Might actually consider an SSD over a HDD to eliminate any spinning noise from the platters. This would minimize any difference in your system found between the USB HDD and the USB Thumbdrive.
Keep in mind that the wallwart can introduce noise at both the power outlet and device cable. It's extremely unlikely that any noise would be transferred via the USB cable because of the isolation techniques used. Switching to a bus-powered USB drive would utilize the BPD-1 power supply and eliminate any concerns one might have with the wallwart.
Other than the fact that I truly hate all wallwarts for a number of reasons, the OCZ HDD wallwart might be fine.
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Werd, just go pick up a bus-powered USB HDD (aka mobile drive)...
I'll second that, go get one of these:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_213_602&item_id=031102 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_213_602&item_id=031102)
use the supplied cable and forgetaboutit.
It's pretty much silent too.
Nap.
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...Other than the fact that I truly hate all wallwarts for a number of reasons, the OCZ HDD wallwart might be fine.
The OCZ Enyo SSD is bus powered.
Tony
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The OCZ Enyo SSD is bus powered.
Tony
My bad, Werd, what USB HDD were you using? Guess you didn't state it.
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My bad, Werd, what USB HDD were you using? Guess you didn't state it.
I was using an omega Harddrive with a 12volt wallwart adaptor. The bdp was on loan and is back at the store.
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The difference is once you start using it in a playback audio system it changes. Its because you now have your digital source hooked up to an amplifier used to drive loudspeakers. Everything gets amplified. Its mostly due to the quality of gear out right now. Bryston and other manufactures are building really sensitive high energy playback systems. These systems pick everything up now coming off the source. Literally everything and that includes harddrive quality and their power supplies.
I really don't know why the bass was affected, other than something in the lousy Omega power supply crapping out. :scratch:
So now you are onto something...
As per my second post here, its not the cable that makes the difference but the parts on either end... such as the usb signal sender and recievers.... the quality of the disk drive power supply... the quality of the sender and reciever software... the noise rejection/amplification that sender and reciever have.
In my opinon USB HD is the WORST interface for using in this application because there is no standard for USB enabled components such as disk drives.... they are all consumer based products... so they have no mandate to be they best the can relative to an audio application.
So if a crappy sender/receiver unit in the disk drive has high levels of noise on it (and also remember USB has POWER PLUS SIGNAL down it), then that may work fine connected to a computer but will cause issues in audio applications.
Use the USB stick as a benchmark... and now you will need to do SQ comparisons between different hard drives enclosers.
And then you have the gotcha... self powered or powered hard drive enclosers.
I think Bryston should publish a recommended or "certified" list of HD enclosures that have not caused SQ issues in their opinion... else someone will buy the cheapest one out there and get SQ issues.
Peter
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Hi Folks,
Got the HIFI Choice review this morning - here is what the concensus was:
Dear All
Please find enclosed a pdf of the Hi-Fi Choice review of the Bryston BDP-1.
In this three page article, reviewer Jason Kennedy says of the BDP-1 "Bryston has taken a brave step by producing such a niche product but the results are pretty impressive."
Awarding a very welcome maximum 5 stars for sound, the still impressive overall score of 4 stars is the result of a lower score for features and value for money. This suggests that despite careful explanation of the reasons for this design route, Jason didn't quite understand the positioning of the BDP-1 as a purist 'does one job extremely well' product, rather than a multi-function device.
kind regards
Phil
Folks - I am really happy with this - Sound quality is the whole reason the BDP-1 exists.
james
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Surely good sound quality is all that matters, I'm going to pop out now to pick up a copy of HiFi Choice so I can read the whole review :)
I've been following the extremely interesting debate recently regarding the differences 'if any' that the data cable makes from the HDD, I did some back to back tests myself using the 24bit files on the supplied Bryston thumb drive and putting the same files on my external Seagate 500gb HDD, and for whatever reason there were clear differences in presentation with the thumb drive giving a richer presentation that both myself and my wife could clearly hear (a computer engineer btw)
So now I'm thinking of using the 500gb HDD for general listening and I was thinking of getting a SSD for my more discerning listening sessions but as this has got to be linked by a cable surely the safest bet is to buy a 64, 128 or 256gb flash drive to elimate the cable altogether and any possible problems, and I re-iterate possible problems :)
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I've just bought a 32GB thumb drive for £20
The 64GB thumb drives are cheaper (slightly) than SSDs, so I'd go for a thumb drive at that size - no need for USB cables either, as if it makes a difference! ;-)
The 128GB SSDs are £200, for that money you can buy 20 32GB thumb drives and have nearly 3 times the storage.
You could sort your music alphabetically and have one thumb drive per letter?
So now I'm thinking of using the 500gb HDD for general listening and I was thinking of getting a SSD for my more discerning listening sessions but as this has got to be linked by a cable surely the safest bet is to buy a 64, 128 or 256gb flash drive to elimate the cable altogether and any possible problems, and I re-iterate possible problems :)
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I've been following the extremely interesting debate recently regarding the differences 'if any' that the data cable makes from the HDD, I did some back to back tests myself using the 24bit files on the supplied Bryston thumb drive and putting the same files on my external Seagate 500gb HDD, and for whatever reason there were clear differences in presentation with the thumb drive giving a richer presentation that both myself and my wife could clearly hear (a computer engineer btw)
If there's a real difference (i.e. measurable or detectable in blind ABX) then the only explanation is that the BDP is poorly engineered.
Nap.
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I've just bought a 32GB thumb drive for £20
The 128GB SSDs are £200, for that money you can buy 20 32GB thumb drives and have nearly 3 times the storage.
I think you might have meant 10 32GB thumb drives or 20 16GB thumb drives. I guess it depends on how you like to listen to your music. I often like to random shuffle play across my entire library, not just within an alphabetic or genre grouping, so I would probably opt for a higher capacity SSD or thumb drive even with the higher cost and loading times.
Steve
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16GB thumb drives are £10 so you could get 20 of them for the same price as a 128Gb SSD.
But as you say, damn more convenient having one big drive.
I think you might have meant 10 32GB thumb drives or 20 16GB thumb drives. I guess it depends on how you like to listen to your music. I often like to random shuffle play across my entire library, not just within an alphabetic or genre grouping, so I would probably opt for a higher capacity SSD or thumb drive even with the higher cost and loading times.
Steve
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I think the answer to my question is no, but is there a way to shuffle albums / music selections using the Bryston Mini / Max interface??
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I think the answer to my question is no, but is there a way to shuffle albums / music selections using the Bryston Mini / Max interface??
Hi ritchief,
Not yet but there will be going forward.. I would use Mpod or Minion or Gnome music players if shuffling is an important feature for you.
james
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Hi ritchief,
Not yet but there will be going forward.. I would use Mpod or Minion or Gnome music players if shuffling is an important feature for you.
james
Being able to control the bdp with an ipod touch or phone is stellar funky beyond being just funky. This would be great in an intercom system or a zone amp application. Filing through songs anywhere in the house for playback makes it real user friendly here.
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If there's a real difference (i.e. measurable or detectable in blind ABX) then the only explanation is that the BDP is poorly engineered.
Nap.
Nap, I completely agree.
As far as I am concerned the BDP-1 is not poorly engineered, so I would also add in the possibility that there is a fault either with the BDP-1 or elsewhere in the system, although I could only suggest earthing or something else relating to power (both unlikely in my view). The power element could fairly easily be narrowed down by using a bus powered HDD and comparing to the thumb/flash drive. In this situation, I have only used bus powered HDDs (LaCie and Freecomm) as I do not want to subject my clean power (dedicated mains, separate earth and two PS Audio PPPs) to a wall-wart's influences.
Regards
Russell
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James,
the BCD-1 and the BDP-1 are made for playback. a NAS storage made by Bryston is almost on its way :icon_lol:
what about a Bryston device that is made for recording (and playback)?
al.
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James,
the BCD-1 and the BDP-1 are made for playback. a NAS storage made by Bryston is almost on its way :icon_lol:
what about a Bryston device that is made for recording (and playback)?
al.
Hi Al
It will be a dedicated SERVER not a NAS.
How do you mean record and playback ? Like a Computer?
james
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Its probably mentioned but why doesnt it support Apple Lossless?
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Its probably mentioned but why doesnt it support Apple Lossless?
Hi niels,
It does support apple lossless - I just prefer and recommend FLAC because it is open source and no one owns it. So at no time down the road will the ability to play Flac files go away or become obsolete because some corporation decides not to support a specfic format.
james
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Thank you, the local test guys must have some wrong info.
Right now, I get better sound with a Macbook Pro connected to my dac than I do with my Logitech Squeezebox 3 connected to same dac. Think the MBP provides more gain somehow.
All my files are currently Apple Lossless.
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Hi Al
It will be a dedicated SERVER not a NAS.
How do you mean record and playback ? Like a Computer?
james
ok. than i was wrong with the NAS... :oops:, sorry.
by record and playback i mean it could be a unit that can do proper stereo recordings.
it should have:
- analog and digital (balanced & unbalanced) ins and outs
- it should handle up to 192/24 resolution
- a display
- a headphone input
- a built in hdd or a ssd or even better a SD card slot to store the recorded files (no moving parts)
- a word clock
- usb
such a product would fill the gap between the available hardwear (cd, vinyl, downloads etc.) and the final playback ?!?
al.
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ok. than i was wrong with the NAS... :oops:, sorry.
by record and playback i mean it could be a unit that can do proper stereo recordings.
it should have:
- analog and digital (balanced & unbalanced) ins and outs
- it should handle up to 192/24 resolution
- a display
- a headphone input
- a built in hdd or a ssd or even better a SD card slot to store the recorded files (no moving parts)
- a word clock
- usb
such a product would fill the gap between the available hardwear (cd, vinyl, downloads etc.) and the final playback ?!?
al.
Alex, I guess you want one of these:
(http://)
http://tascam.com/product/hd-p2/ (http://tascam.com/product/hd-p2/)
Half the price of a BDP.
Nap. :thumb:
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Thank you, the local test guys must have some wrong info.
Right now, I get better sound with a Macbook Pro connected to my dac than I do with my Logitech Squeezebox 3 connected to same dac. Think the MBP provides more gain somehow.
All my files are currently Apple Lossless.
Is the volume turned off (ie 100 % gain) on the SB3? also verify your M4A streaming method from the Squeezeserver.
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Volume is locked to 100% in the Squeezebox settings. Streaming is set to faad/flac or /sox, pcm and mp3 is de-activated.
I have previously had some questions regarding digital reansfer and gain, but cant seem to get answers.
I have a HD tv decoder, and a year ago I tried using digital coax out to my Bryston dac, but the volume was very low. The analog output was much stronger, and since I could use the decoders remote for volume I choose analog sound from the decoder.
Some months later the box received a firmware update from the cable company, and suddenly the digital output was stronger, now almost equal in volume to the analog output.
As for the squeezebox, I have some music on my computer that I copied to the Macbook. Both machines use iTunes as library. On both machines I can access Spotify, but the computer streams the music to the squeezebox via wireless, the macbook I connect to the Bryston directly from digital out on the macbook to the Bryston dac.
I feel the music comes much more alive when using the Macbook, and my thought is that gain must be higher. I agree that the squeezebox is very convenient to use, but somehow I lost the respect for it after getting the Macbook.
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Volume is locked to 100% in the Squeezebox settings. Streaming is set to faad/flac or /sox, pcm and mp3 is de-activated.
I have previously had some questions regarding digital reansfer and gain, but cant seem to get answers.
I have a HD tv decoder, and a year ago I tried using digital coax out to my Bryston dac, but the volume was very low. The analog output was much stronger, and since I could use the decoders remote for volume I choose analog sound from the decoder.
Some months later the box received a firmware update from the cable company, and suddenly the digital output was stronger, now almost equal in volume to the analog output.
As for the squeezebox, I have some music on my computer that I copied to the Macbook. Both machines use iTunes as library. On both machines I can access Spotify, but the computer streams the music to the squeezebox via wireless, the macbook I connect to the Bryston directly from digital out on the macbook to the Bryston dac.
I feel the music comes much more alive when using the Macbook, and my thought is that gain must be higher. I agree that the squeezebox is very convenient to use, but somehow I lost the respect for it after getting the Macbook.
Hi
The antenna amplifier in the squeezebox can't drive the circuitry that sends the signal out to the dac. You are asking a lot from your squeezebox. I wouldn't use this as a real fair comparison between the two even though i think the Mac will still beat it using the same interface.
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The antenna amplifier cant drive the digital out? What are you talking about?
The Squeezebox is designed with a built in dac that has analog and digital out, I use the digital out. What you hint at I have never heard before....
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Dear James,
We have first review from one of the best hifi audio web platfroms in Internet in German speaking market for BDP-1. And I can say: It is amazing, very, very detailed and excellent described review.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=42340)
http://www.sempre-audio.at/Bryston_BDP-1_im_Test_-_Zukunfts-Musik.id.1374.htm
It will take us some time to translate in English but more important: We have it immidiately for German Market, what is most important.
bests regards
Edvard
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Volume is locked to 100% in the Squeezebox settings. Streaming is set to faad/flac or /sox, pcm and mp3 is de-activated.
I have previously had some questions regarding digital reansfer and gain, but cant seem to get answers.
I have a HD tv decoder, and a year ago I tried using digital coax out to my Bryston dac, but the volume was very low. The analog output was much stronger, and since I could use the decoders remote for volume I choose analog sound from the decoder.
Some months later the box received a firmware update from the cable company, and suddenly the digital output was stronger, now almost equal in volume to the analog output.
As for the squeezebox, I have some music on my computer that I copied to the Macbook. Both machines use iTunes as library. On both machines I can access Spotify, but the computer streams the music to the squeezebox via wireless, the macbook I connect to the Bryston directly from digital out on the macbook to the Bryston dac.
I feel the music comes much more alive when using the Macbook, and my thought is that gain must be higher. I agree that the squeezebox is very convenient to use, but somehow I lost the respect for it after getting the Macbook.
I agree, streaming is convenient but clearly not perfect and I feel the same way about Apple TV (Gen2) and the Airport Express for 44.1/16 content. With the first generation of the Apple TV you could at least "sync" music on the device but it was easy to fill up the internal HDD and there was no room for expansion. The second generation Apple TV appears to do a much better job about buffering the music but I've noticed an extended pause between tracks or when switching songs. That might be more related to how they are sharing libraries with the new home share.
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Hi Alex,
Can you provide a few tid-bits from the review :D
http://www.sempre-audio.at/Bryston_BDP-1_im_Test_-_Zukunfts-Musik.id.1374.htm
james
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I am really tempted to try the Bryston with an iPod as remote controll. Will I get up album art on that you think?
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Hi Alex,
Can you provide a few tid-bits from the review :D
http://www.sempre-audio.at/Bryston_BDP-1_im_Test_-_Zukunfts-Musik.id.1374.htm
james
Just go to the page and right click the mouse and select "Translate with Bing", and the article will be in english.
ltr
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WOW - thanks brucek
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sempre-audio.at%2FBryston_BDP-1_im_Test_-_Zukunfts-Musik.id.1374.htm
james
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I am really tempted to try the Bryston with an iPod as remote controll. Will I get up album art on that you think?
Hi niels - I have not used the iPod as a remote - not sure if you can? You would use an iTouch and a free program called MPod.
james
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Hi niels,
It does support apple lossless - I just prefer and recommend FLAC because it is open source and no one owns it. So at no time down the road will the ability to play Flac files go away or become obsolete because some corporation decides not to support a specfic format.
james
James,
Did I get this right? The BDP-1 does support Apple Lossless?!?
In http://www.bryston.com/pdfs/09/Bryston_BDP1_LITERATURE.pdf it says that the BDP-1 only supports FLAC, WAV and AIFF. What other file types does it support? Will it play MP3 files for example?
Regards
Ron
SPECS
• File Types: FLAC - WAV - AIFF
• Output Sample Rates: 44.1K – 48K - 88.2K – 96K - 176.4K – 192K
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Hi Ron,
The only commonly used file music system it will not play is WMA. Although we highly recommend you use the better lossless and non compressed Wave and Flac systems. Especially Flac because it is an 'open' system owned by no one :thumb:
james
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jdandy
James.......Thank you. The German Translation is much easier to understand. It certainly seems that the Bryston BDP-1 is gathering a world wide fan base.
Hi Dan,
Yes it was a rough start - many people really did not understand where I was targeting the BDP-1 and thought of it as a Server or a Streamer rather than a Player. There was one response to the preliminary press release from England that said "I think Bryston must have the stupidest engineers in the world". Wow talk about a rough start. (Also I think he meant the stupidest Marketing department in the world - me) :duh:
The great thing is though that once people see and listen to the BDP-1 they "get it". I realize it is not for everyone but computers are very noisy devices – both electrically and mechanically as well as operating systems that are designed to do many things beyond playing music files.
The BDP-1 is an attempt to reduce these noise issues and operating issues to a minimum. So a dedicated operating system designed to do one thing and one thing only – play a high resolution digital music file - (Linux), a high quality industrial CPU with no moving parts, a dedicated digital transformer coupled output section and separate power supplies for the digital and analog sections add up to a state of the art high resolution digital music playback system that when coupled to a high quality DAC can provide the best performance currently available.
james
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Volume is locked to 100% in the Squeezebox settings. Streaming is set to faad/flac or /sox, pcm and mp3 is de-activated.
I have previously had some questions regarding digital reansfer and gain, but cant seem to get answers.
I have a HD tv decoder, and a year ago I tried using digital coax out to my Bryston dac, but the volume was very low. The analog output was much stronger, and since I could use the decoders remote for volume I choose analog sound from the decoder.
Some months later the box received a firmware update from the cable company, and suddenly the digital output was stronger, now almost equal in volume to the analog output.
As for the squeezebox, I have some music on my computer that I copied to the Macbook. Both machines use iTunes as library. On both machines I can access Spotify, but the computer streams the music to the squeezebox via wireless, the macbook I connect to the Bryston directly from digital out on the macbook to the Bryston dac.
I feel the music comes much more alive when using the Macbook, and my thought is that gain must be higher. I agree that the squeezebox is very convenient to use, but somehow I lost the respect for it after getting the Macbook.
One of my systems has a squeezebox connected via digital coax to Bryston SP1. I have noticed the volume "gain" appear to be low with my set scenario as well. If i get the opportunity i may troll the squeeze forums and see if anyone else had this issue as well. Interesting enough in another system I have a SB3 and a CD transport both connected to a Benchmark DAC1 and the gain appears pretty constant when i switch between the transport and the SB3.
cheers,
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So now you are onto something...
As per my second post here, its not the cable that makes the difference but the parts on either end... such as the usb signal sender and recievers.... the quality of the disk drive power supply... the quality of the sender and reciever software... the noise rejection/amplification that sender and reciever have.
In my opinon USB HD is the WORST interface for using in this application because there is no standard for USB enabled components such as disk drives.... they are all consumer based products... so they have no mandate to be they best the can relative to an audio application.
So if a crappy sender/receiver unit in the disk drive has high levels of noise on it (and also remember USB has POWER PLUS SIGNAL down it), then that may work fine connected to a computer but will cause issues in audio applications.
Use the USB stick as a benchmark... and now you will need to do SQ comparisons between different hard drives enclosers.
And then you have the gotcha... self powered or powered hard drive enclosers.
I think Bryston should publish a recommended or "certified" list of HD enclosures that have not caused SQ issues in their opinion... else someone will buy the cheapest one out there and get SQ issues.
Peter
Yes good points. It could very well not be the bdp at issue at all. I may have been refering to the quality of the Omega and it's output and not the bdp1. The more i think about it the coments were probably addressing the lousy HD and its usb output quality. I can't see Bryston under engineering anything.
Sorry James if i had misdirected my reactions when it was very likely the HDD.
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Yes good points. It could very well not be the bdp at issue at all. I may have been refering to the quality of the Omega and it's output and not the bdp1. The more i think about it the coments were probably addressing the lousy HD and its usb output quality. I can't see Bryston under engineering anything.
Sorry James if i had misdirected my reactions when it was very likely the HDD.
Quoting James above "I realize it is not for everyone but computers are very noisy devices – both electrically and mechanically as well as operating systems that are designed to do many things beyond playing music files".. and also the comment about Byston being stupid... I wont go that far but....
The problem is.........USB cables have a very short length limit... and sure you can get extenders BUT these extenders are not certified for USB HD. The cost of a reliable extender that supports a USB HD is in the 100's of dollars.
For my two cents worth, several points.
- While the concept of James to not need a PC for playback is good, technically you do need a PC at some point.... cause you need to rip your CD's... so there is no escaping the PC and therefore some PC skill are needed
- The concept of not needing a PC in the "direct" playback chain by using USB drives is again good, but see my point about the limited length of a USB cable (and also the lack of a quality mandate in USB devices)...So this means you are almost always forced to have the USB HD in the listening room and potentially have wall warts connected to the same outlets as your equipment.
So... in my view another combination to support would have been to use SAMBA. This would work as below:
1- You rip your CD's to a PC HD and thats where they stay
2- You connect the BDP-1 to your home network via an ethernet cable (which can be run many many metres)
3- You configure SAMBA on the BDP-1 to see the PC and the ripped content
4- away you go
5- You can still have the USB HD options as it stands today
This maintains the concept... and its better because it is techincally not possible for noise to be transmitted over Ethernet... you get any noisey PC stuff (computer/USB HD's etc) out of the room... and with a nice skinny ethernet cable you have no length limitations.
Peter
PS. and of course NAS is conceptually similar to the above... and what I have described is a poor man's NAS.. because you use what PC "stuff" you have today
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Hi Peter
You can transfer files from any remote computer to the BDP-1's attached drive (either USB Thumbdrive or USB Harddrive as long as they are formatted Fat32 (vfat) ) over the network - is that what you mean?
james
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Hi Peter
You can transfer files from any remote computer to the BDP-1's attached drive (either USB Thumbdrive or USB Harddrive as long as they are formatted Fat32 (vfat) ) over the network - is that what you mean?
james
Close... but SAMBA takes it several steps further.
Lets ignore the ripping side, cause its common to both approaches.
What I am suggesting is that there is another simple way for the BDP-1 to see content to play:
1- What you currently have .. where the playback software running under Linux sees a USB HD and can therefore read the WAV/AIFF etc file. The connection is via a USB storage chain (USB HD into USB cable into USB port on BDP-1)... OR.....
2- You store the rip content onto a PC HD (and thats where it stays) and use Linux SAMBA to "mount" that PC HD.. this means it looks like a hard drive in exactly the same way the connected USB HD does. Connection is via Ethernet chain (PC HD onto ethernet into BDP-1 where SAMBA mounts PC HD)
The Linux based playback software cant tell the difference... to it both the USB HD and the SAMBA remoted mounted drive are "local" HD's that have content.
Software wise it is a simple change and as I state you get the benefit of the long ethernet cable runs to get potentially noise inducing USB HD well away from your audio components.
Peter
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OK Peter thanks - i will pass it along to our software engineer.
james
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OK Peter thanks - i will pass it along to our software engineer.
james
I forgot to add thats its a zero cost alternative for the end user.
There are NO changes needed to PC aside from making the PC HD shareable... which most people do... and if not the change is a simple mouse click or two on the PC
And if the PC doesnt have enough storage... just use the USB HD you were using with the BDP-1 with the PC instead.
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Samba is a broad family of protocols. see http://linux-cifs.samba.org/
"The CIFS VFS is a virtual file system for Linux to allow access to servers and storage appliances compliant with the SNIA CIFS Specification version 1.0 or later. Popular servers such as Samba, Windows 2000, Windows XP and many others support CIFS by default. The CIFS VFS provides some support for older servers based on the more primitive SMB (Server Message Block) protocol (you also can use the Linux file system smbfs as an alternative for accessing these). "
Peter
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James and Peter,
I hope you can figure this out. It would be a great upgrade. I seem to download or purchase CDs a couple times a week and ripping to a PC HD/NAS, then copying to a USB HD, hooking the HD back up to the BDP and waiting for it in reload is a bit of a hassle. Having said that, I love my BDP. Good luck!
Jim
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This was something originally on the BDP-1 feature list, but I think it was delayed/dropped because of the security requirements to connect up to NFS/Samba file shares. The end-user would have to teach the BDP-1 to log into the users computer.
Sony's DLNA and Zeroconf (Avahi, bonjour etc) are two alternatives that greatly simplifies the security but requires the user to run an application or a background service. IMO, neither have been that successful with navigating large libraries but probably something to look into. As an end-user I would want the option to disable this on the BDP-1.
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This was something originally on the BDP-1 feature list, but I think it was delayed/dropped because of the security requirements to connect up to NFS/Samba file shares. The end-user would have to teach the BDP-1 to log into the users computer.
Sony's DLNA and Zeroconf (Avahi, bonjour etc) are two alternatives that greatly simplifies the security but requires the user to run an application or a background service. IMO, neither have been that successful with navigating large libraries but probably something to look into. As an end-user I would want the option to disable this on the BDP-1.
Yes I remember something about that when we discussed it a while back.
I will ask again though.
How does everyone feel about a matching server for the BDP which would be found automatically by the BDP. It would have 2TB storage with an auto 2TB mirror backup in a box that could be placed at the router location (industrial version) and another unit that matched the BDP cosmetically if you wanted it in the same room as the BDP?
James
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Yes I remember something about that when we discussed it a while back.
I will ask again though.
How does everyone feel about a matching server for the BDP which would be found automatically by the BDP. It would have 2TB storage with an auto 2TB mirror backup in a box that could be placed at the router location (industrial version) and another unit that matched the BDP cosmetically if you wanted it in the same room as the BDP?
James
I would feel like you're going the proprietary route instead of standards. Like having custom square shaped connectors on the BP6 and 4B instead of the RCA ones.
Nap. :nono:
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Yes I remember something about that when we discussed it a while back.
I will ask again though.
How does everyone feel about a matching server for the BDP which would be found automatically by the BDP. It would have 2TB storage with an auto 2TB mirror backup in a box that could be placed at the router location (industrial version) and another unit that matched the BDP cosmetically if you wanted it in the same room as the BDP?
James
Don't understand why you would want to add more equipment in close proximity to the music player, particularly when you have no technical or economic advantage as a supplier. These are commodity items experiencing rapid technological change and rapid price erosion.
Comments from other posters are spot on - this is a job for networks, not more equipment.
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I made a comparison between the Bryston pen drive and my external HD (lacie 2quadra).
There are no differences.
However, the bdp1 is 'excellent, I hope soon to resolve the problem of waiting times for loading hd
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I made a comparison between the Bryston pen drive and my external HD (lacie 2quadra).
There are no differences.
However, the bdp1 is 'excellent, I hope soon to resolve the problem of waiting times for loading hd
I agree that the only drawback to the BDP-1 is the "loading time", I currently leave mine permanently On to avoid this.
I am still hoping that James/Bryston have not forgotten about the earlier suggestions to write an "index" to a connected HDD following a "scan", with the index only updated/overwritten when requested by a user selection (key combination, UI command etc.). Just as another possibility, the mPod App even has the necessary commands available... (Refresh local cache and Update database).
Regards
Russell
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Close... but SAMBA takes it several steps further.
Lets ignore the ripping side, cause its common to both approaches.
What I am suggesting is that there is another simple way for the BDP-1 to see content to play:
1- What you currently have .. where the playback software running under Linux sees a USB HD and can therefore read the WAV/AIFF etc file. The connection is via a USB storage chain (USB HD into USB cable into USB port on BDP-1)... OR.....
2- You store the rip content onto a PC HD (and thats where it stays) and use Linux SAMBA to "mount" that PC HD.. this means it looks like a hard drive in exactly the same way the connected USB HD does. Connection is via Ethernet chain (PC HD onto ethernet into BDP-1 where SAMBA mounts PC HD)
The Linux based playback software cant tell the difference... to it both the USB HD and the SAMBA remoted mounted drive are "local" HD's that have content.
Software wise it is a simple change and as I state you get the benefit of the long ethernet cable runs to get potentially noise inducing USB HD well away from your audio components.
Peter
Hi Peter,
I am also interested in the “convenience factor” behind what you are suggesting. But I don’t see why you think there will be any advantage in avoiding the “USB connection”. Even if the HDD is located in a remote computer and connected to the BDP-1 via Ethernet, the HDD still has a local interface (SATA, IDE, USB etc.) that the files/data must pass-through, none of which have a “quality mandate”.
My primary PC is located in the study, where all of my PC kit resides, about 20 feet from my HiFi rack in another room. When I rip a CD or DL a Flac file, the destination HDD is the one connected to the BDP-1, this is backed-up to a Buffalo Terastation on the same network. Seems to me that this set-up is already delivering what you are suggesting, albeit in a slightly different fashion. The 1TB Lacie 2.5” HDD is extremely quite (can only hear it when within 3~4 inches) and is powered from the USB port (so no potentially polluting wall-wart).
Unless I’m not understanding your point correctly.
On another matter and for those that may be interested, Logitech have finally got the RC codes for the BDP-1 functioning. In a few days you should be able to select in the Add Device facility:
Device - Computer/Media Center PC
Manufacturer – Bryston
Model – BDP-1
and be reported as “Digital Music Server Bryston BDP-1”
Regards
Russell
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hey, Russell...that's good news!!! i am using a Logitech Harmony One remote and adding the BDP-1 is just great :thumb:
al.
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I put the codes for the Bryston DAC, but does not work
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Don't understand why you would want to add more equipment in close proximity to the music player, particularly when you have no technical or economic advantage as a supplier. These are commodity items experiencing rapid technological change and rapid price erosion.
Comments from other posters are spot on - this is a job for networks, not more equipment.
James,
I agree with the above quote especially with regards to the concerns over rapid price erosion. Frankly, I would not go this route.
Cheers,
John
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Hi Peter,
I am also interested in the “convenience factor” behind what you are suggesting. But I don’t see why you think there will be any advantage in avoiding the “USB connection”. Even if the HDD is located in a remote computer and connected to the BDP-1 via Ethernet, the HDD still has a local interface (SATA, IDE, USB etc.) that the files/data must pass-through, none of which have a “quality mandate”.
My primary PC is located in the study, where all of my PC kit resides, about 20 feet from my HiFi rack in another room. When I rip a CD or DL a Flac file, the destination HDD is the one connected to the BDP-1, this is backed-up to a Buffalo Terastation on the same network. Seems to me that this set-up is already delivering what you are suggesting, albeit in a slightly different fashion. The 1TB Lacie 2.5” HDD is extremely quite (can only hear it when within 3~4 inches) and is powered from the USB port (so no potentially polluting wall-wart).
Unless I’m not understanding your point correctly.
On another matter and for those that may be interested, Logitech have finally got the RC codes for the BDP-1 functioning. In a few days you should be able to select in the Add Device facility:
Device - Computer/Media Center PC
Manufacturer – Bryston
Model – BDP-1
and be reported as “Digital Music Server Bryston BDP-1”
Regards
Russell
Thanks a bunch for all your work on getting the codes sorted - much appreciated.
James
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How does everyone feel about a matching server for the BDP which would be found automatically by the BDP. It would have 2TB storage with an auto 2TB mirror backup in a box that could be placed at the router location (industrial version) and another unit that matched the BDP cosmetically if you wanted it in the same room as the BDP?
James
James I think I agree with the others here, most already have the PC with the staorage solution, it would be best to just be able to access that.
One question about the server though, would you be considering doing something similar to Naim and having a ripper/ server all in, such that the PC was no longer needed?
Mark.
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James I think I agree with the others here, most already have the PC with the staorage solution, it would be best to just be able to access that.
One question about the server though, would you be considering doing something similar to Naim and having a ripper/ server all in, such that the PC was no longer needed?
Mark.
Hi Mark - had not thought of the ripper idea. The server idea came about as a result of my questions to people 'in the know' about the complexities connecting to so many different NAS drives (nerd factor). The advantage of the dedicated server was:
1. Instant connection to BDP-1 with no customer IT knowledge required
2. Instant load time of library
3. High quality low noise drives (low failure rate) and cpu in the server
4. Cosmetically matches the rest of the system
5. Auto backup of music files
So I guess I was getting mixed signals when it comes to the plus / minuses of the server approach? I agree the costing is an issue as the prices change so rapidly.
james
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James,
Are you sure you would like to compete with something like this:
http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=124 (http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=124)
These days NAS boxes are commodity items.
I'd say just implement a DLNA client into the BDP.
Nap.
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James,
Are you sure you would like to compete with something like this:
http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=124 (http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=124)
These days NAS boxes are commodity items.
I'd say just implement a DLNA client into the BDP.
Nap.
Hi Nap,
No I understand we cannot compete on price/flexibility bases but I was looking at it more as a 'solution' for those that are not network savy and have no interest in going down that road. Maybe i am dead wrong on that and most BDP users would not care??
james
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Hi Nap,
No I understand we cannot compete on price/flexibility bases but I was looking at it more as a 'solution' for those that are not network savy and have no interest in going down that road. Maybe i am dead wrong on that and most BDP users would not care??
james
I think the number of 'not network savy' is rapidly diminishing these days!
I can see the merit in what you are describing James, and indeed you may well find for some, that the cosmetics out weigh the non-competitiveness of your solution.
Why not simply install some SSD drives (cost, tick) into a BDP/BDA/MPS-2 type casing (cosmetics/economies of scale, tick) with a damn good power supply to overcome the wall-wart problems (if they are real)(SQ, tick) and allow the drives to be 'mountable' from your host PC via ethernet (convenience, tick)?
Mark.
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DLNA is pretty much plug-and-play. E.g. as soon as I connect my synology nas box to the network, the PS3 sees it and places icons for it in the Music/Video/Photo sections of the X-bar interface. There's 0 configuration to do.
What I would really like to see is a BDAP-1 with integrated DAC in synchronous operation. And a shielded slot in the back where you could insert a 2.5" drive (HD or SSD). This would have little to no competition.
Nap.
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Think of this, with a slot or a way to install a 2.5" drive inside:
(http://)
In black, please :green:
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per my post on 30 November ...
Audio Manufacturers / Bryston Limited / Re: BRYSTON BDP-1 DIGITAL PLAYER FEEDBACK on: 30 Nov 2010, 05:53 AM
Hi James
What do you think of a Bryston SSD, the 'BSSD-1', with SSD internals in an MPS-1 size metal enclosure connected to the BDP-1 with a detachable USB cable ...
I think that SSD(s) in either MPS-1 or MPS-2 enclosures would be perfect for 'completing' the BDP-1/BDA-1 if priced accordingly ...
The drive(s) could be removeable by the user from the rear for upgrading
Another option might be a chassis with internal power supply and slot(s) for the user to install SSD(s) of their choice
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What I would really like to see is a BDAP-1 with integrated DAC in synchronous operation. And a shielded slot in the back where you could insert a 2.5" drive (HD or SSD). This would have little to no competition.
Nap.
Now this ^^^^^^^^ I would spend my money on.
The BDP as it is now, not.
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No I understand we cannot compete on price/flexibility bases but I was looking at it more as a 'solution' for those that are not network savy and have no interest in going down that road. Maybe i am dead wrong on that and most BDP users would not care??
james
It's basically just a software thing which can easily be implemented, so why not build in the option?
And I think you underestimate the average user here... :)
(except for the one that panics about a click when he turns on his amp, and then, AFTER you tell him it also might be audible when you turn it off, panics about the click when it is turned off)
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Now this ^^^^^^^^ I would spend my money on.
The BDP as it is now, not.
You guys realize you are on an audio board right? What about the BDA/BDP bothers you in terms of sound? How would this sound better Nap?
Anyways Bryston's philosophy has always been that most of the bothersome digital complaints are centered around lousy analogue circuitry powering it. Its all right there on there website. You get that with BDP/BDA in spades.... great analogue/digital interface.
You guys should quit critiquing gear you have never heard. Have some faith in Bryston and other reputable brands that they are able to engineer a piece with no surprises. The bdp1 sounds like a Bryston piece, there are no surprises to it, its a great partner to the bda at the very least.
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You guys realize you are an audio board right? What about the BDA/BDP bothers you in terms of sound? How would this sound better Nap?
Anyways Bryston's philosophy has always been that most of the bothersome digital complaints are centered around lousy analogue circuitry powering it. Its all right there on there website. You get that with BDP/BDA in spades.... great analogue/digital interface.
You guys should quit critiquing gear you have never heard. Have some faith in Bryston and other reputable brands that they are able to engineer a piece with no surprises. The bdp1 sounds like a Bryston piece, there are no surprises to it, its a great partner to the bda at the very least.
Your need to defend Bryston is misplaced. James asked a question about selling a NAS device. The comments are related to that proposition.
The outstanding problem presented by a "player only" is the need to feed source material. Using a physical analogy, James has created a device that expects to be fed from USB connected devices.
This certainly follows the old model of LP/Cassette/CD, but does not address the fact that most people who have shifted to digital now have large libraries. Current storage technology requires a spinning device (with noise - both electrical and aural) to accommodate such libraries, which are typically in the 100's of GB in size.
The suggestion that the player be enabled for network browsing makes sense as this allows the separation of the player from the source.
Even more attractive is to combine the Player and DAC as a single device, which really is a Player, as opposed to half a player. I already have a BDA-1 and a Transporter, but if a network enabled Player/DAC was sold by Bryston, I would have bought that.
A Bryston NAS is not interesting to me, as music is only one data set that I manage, and I don't see the point of having to back up my music separately from all my other data. A NAS is a computer device, not an audio device.
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How would this sound better Nap?
Any decent recording studio has a master ("world") clock that synchronizes everything.
With the BDA/BDP combo you don't have it.
How would this sounds better, Werd?
Nap.
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Any decent recording studio has a master ("world") clock that synchronizes everything.
With the BDA/BDP combo you don't have it.
How would this sounds better, Werd?
Nap.
I don't know Nap and i don't care what it might sound like. All i know is what it does sound like.
I know what you are saying Wanafi but the thing is out now. They can go get one and have it running in their house. The days of hiding behind the thing not being out and re engineering it are over.Wanafi they will keep doing it until the cows come home. All your points i agree with and like yourself i would not be interested in a Nas too.
My point is the bdp as it stand sounds like a Bryston piece. There are no surprises. You can get great sound out of it and have great access to all your music files. They have done this without it interfacing like a computer. Its one of the first things i noticed is the Bryston trademark sound it has.
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You guys realize you are on an audio board right? What about the BDA/BDP bothers you in terms of sound? How would this sound better Nap?
Yes, I know where we are. The sound of this combo is probably fine, I have not heard the combination yet.
Anyways Bryston's philosophy has always been that most of the bothersome digital complaints are centered around lousy analogue circuitry powering it. Its all right there on there website. You get that with BDP/BDA in spades.... great analogue/digital interface.
No problems with the interface whatsoever. There are several issues with the connectability, but they have been discussed already.
You guys should quit critiquing gear you have never heard. Have some faith in Bryston and other reputable brands that they are able to engineer a piece with no surprises. The bdp1 sounds like a Bryston piece, there are no surprises to it, its a great partner to the bda at the very least.
I actually very recently sold my BDA. the reasons for this: my Marantz KI Pearl SACD player sounds exactly the same, and now, after it has been in use for a while, probably even better. I also think it is VERY overpriced here, 2400 euros. I know what is on the Canadian pricetag, and I really don't see why we here in Europe have to pay double for the same piece of equipment.
The BDP is 2400 euros here too, which is about $ 2900 Can, or $ 3050 Us today.
I have heard it on a (non Bryston but WAAAY more expensive DAC), and although I really like the sound: the way it is now it's not worth the money to me. When presented as a BDAP-1 with integrated DAC in synchronous operation and a shielded slot in the back where you could insert a 2.5" drive (HD or SSD) we're getting there. Add some more ways to connect to a network (including wireless) plus more digital inputs and outputs (or, basically add the BDP to the BDA and add good network connections and good streaming possibilities for people that do not want to drag around disks and such) and we're really talking.
At this point Marantz is working on something like that. the NA7004 (http://marantz.co.uk/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=NetworkProducts&SubCatId=NetworkAudioPlayer&ProductId=NA7004) is a small baby step in this direction. I am very much looking forward to a KI version of this...
I HAVE heard both the BDA and BDP in action. Don't judge me okay?
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The bdp1 is born to have a reproduction state of the art.
For this reason, have not been developed options that are not state of the art.
The Bryston is a great dac but coupled with the bdp1 becomes almost unbeatable for me.
As I 'said (and I'm not alone) have to solve the problem of loading time of HD and I do not think it was necessary to make a hd Bryston, there are many other solutions more' simple that surely Bryston engineers have already 'found.
James right?
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But I don’t see why you think there will be any advantage in avoiding the “USB connection”. Even if the HDD is located in a remote computer and connected to the BDP-1 via Ethernet, the HDD still has a local interface (SATA, IDE, USB etc.) that the files/data must pass-through, none of which have a “quality mandate”.
So we have 100 of manufacturers of USB hard-drives. There have been posted reports of SQ issues comparing thumbdrives verses USB-HD.
The USB cable DIRECTLY connects the USB UD into the BDP-1. THE USB cable has POWER and SIGNAL (hence the ability to use cable powered drives). A poorly designed USB HD may cause noise issues when connected directly....so it becomes a crap shoot... you got lucky... someone else might not (hence my suggestion of some "certified" list of USB HD's)
My comment re ethernet/SAMBA removed the USB connection from the equation. So the worst designed USB HD (or even PC) power supply for example, when connected to the PC WONT cause SQ issues because the Ethernet cable essentially break any electicial ground etc between the BDP-1 and the remote PC/HD.
It may also improve backup/dual access/manageablity of the WAV/AIFF files if they reside locally on a PC.
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The bdp1 is born to have a reproduction state of the art.
For this reason, have not been developed options that are not state of the art.
The Bryston is a great dac but coupled with the bdp1 becomes almost unbeatable for me.
As I 'said (and I'm not alone) have to solve the problem of loading time of HD and I do not think it was necessary to make a hd Bryston, there are many other solutions more' simple that surely Bryston engineers have already 'found.
James right?
Hi,
Yes I really feel doing one job and doing it well is the right approach. The more you try to make a swiss army knife the more it takes away from performance - or lets say that has been our experience so far. We already had a state of the art DAC in the market and to build it into the BDP-1 would have simply added extra cost for many of our customers. Also remember that the BDA-1 DAC has the ability to handle up to 8 different digital inputs which makes it much more versatile than a dedicated internal DAC.
The thing I really liked about the latest German review on the BDP-1 was the comments about going into the review with serious doubts about the product and concluding that this in fact is a great product and positioned so it can be the start of a great digital audio system.
Ultimately you listen and you tweek and you try to develop products that push the performance envelop as best you know how. Its strictly up to the consumer to decide if you have succeeded or not.
THE DEMO IS EVERYTHING :thumb:
james
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It makes no sense to me, as other have suggested, that Bryston gets involved in providing hard drive enclosures.
Also in opinion, as with others, PC stuff doesnt belong in a listening environment. Even comments like "you can only hear the drive from 3-4 inches away"... its still noise... it still has digitial/power supply related circuits that have not been designed for connection to hi-end equipment.
Think of all the design tweaks that go into DAC's to seperate the digitial parts from the analogue parts... yet you are quite happy to plug in a no-name USB HD into the BDP-1?
Finally, the BDP1- is what it is.... Bryston have done the R&D... so changing the form factor wont happen. The only options are software based such as using SAMBA (the cheap man's NAS), support third party NAS or DNLA.
Note all these are ethernet based solutions... cause the only I/O ports the BDP-1 has are USB and ethernet
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On another matter and for those that may be interested, Logitech have finally got the RC codes for the BDP-1 functioning. In a few days you should be able to select in the Add Device facility:
Device - Computer/Media Center PC
Manufacturer – Bryston
Model – BDP-1
and be reported as “Digital Music Server Bryston BDP-1”
Regards
Russell
Thanks Russell, that is great news, but the BDP-1 isn't showing up yet.
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For me at least, I don't see the need for a Bryston NAS, but I have a NAS already.
I find that with my setup it is pretty easy to manage and play digital files. My PC, NAS, and BDP-1 are all wired to my network - the only wireless components are my iPhone and iPad (and my wife’s laptop, but that isn’t needed for music). The PC and NAS are in a different part of our house than our audio system so you can't hear them at all when playing music.
First I rip FLAC files from my CD’s directly to my NAS raid drive using my PC and dBpoweramp (so the files are immediately backed up).
Next I copy the FLAC’s I ripped from the NAS to the drive that is connected to the BDP-1 (over the network).
Then I hit “update” using the supplied Bryston software through the web browser (Firefox) on my PC and the BDP-1 recognizes the new FLAC’s that were added to the attached drive.
That’s all there is to it! I control the BDP-1 with my iPhone most of the time and bounce back and forth between the Bryston software and MPod. It works great and sounds wonderful. I use a Logitech Harmony One to control our audio system.
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James,
Some more good news for you - not directly related to this topic.
In this month's edition of Hi-fi News Magazine, Barry Willis, a jounalist for top American audio-visual publications, writes.
He writes about reliability concerns with a 'flagship of one of America's oldest and most revered brands.' And has a general rant about unreliable equipment.
In conclusion, with regard to Bryston, he writes,
'This is a company with so much faith in its products - and so much respect for its customers - that it offers a 20 year parts and labour warranty on all its amplifiers.
This is the standard that the whole industry should aspire to reach. Anything less should be considered a scam.'
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James,
Some more good news for you - not directly related to this topic.
In this month's edition of Hi-fi News Magazine, Barry Willis, a jounalist for top American audio-visual publications, writes.
He writes about reliability concerns with a 'flagship of one of America's oldest and most revered brands.' And has a general rant about unreliable equipment.
In conclusion, with regard to Bryston, he writes,
'This is a company with so much faith in its products - and so much respect for its customers - that it offers a 20 year parts and labour warranty on all its amplifiers.
This is the standard that the whole industry should aspire to reach. Anything less should be considered a scam.'
WOW - Thanks - you made my day :thumb:
James
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OK my 25 year old computer science degree is failing me. I'd like to copy files directly from my NAS to the HD connected to the BDP-1. When I attempt to connect to the BDP-1 it prompts me for a user name and password. Where would I find these?
Sorry for the basic question,
Jim
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James, your satisfaction makes me happy.
You are very welcome.
Kyri
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OK my 25 year old computer science degree is failing me. I'd like to copy files directly from my NAS to the HD connected to the BDP-1. When I attempt to connect to the BDP-1 it prompts me for a user name and password. Where would I find these?
Sorry for the basic question,
Jim
Hi Jim,
Password and User Name are both - bryston
james
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per my post on 30 November ...
Audio Manufacturers / Bryston Limited / Re: BRYSTON BDP-1 DIGITAL PLAYER FEEDBACK on: 30 Nov 2010, 05:53 AM
Hi James
What do you think of a Bryston SSD, the 'BSSD-1', with SSD internals in an MPS-1 size metal enclosure connected to the BDP-1 with a detachable USB cable ...
I think that SSD(s) in either MPS-1 or MPS-2 enclosures would be perfect for 'completing' the BDP-1/BDA-1 if priced accordingly ...
The drive(s) could be removeable by the user from the rear for upgrading
Another option might be a chassis with internal power supply and slot(s) for the user to install SSD(s) of their choice
Great minds think alike…. :o
Having had my auditions, I have ordered both the BDA-1 and the BDP-1, so I think I am entitled to an opinion, to those that seem to be taking offense to the topic, it was James who asked!
All I was saying is that I agree with the above, I do not think Bryston should get into servers etc as it would be very difficult to compete (although Naim seem to be having a go at it…) however it would be virtually zero R&D investment for bryston to stick a couple of SSD drives into say an MPS-2 case with a decent toroidal power supply, simple. That would give those of us who want it a nice cosmetic fit with the BDA/BDP pair, instead of a couple of little black boxes sat on top. If one was available now, I would add it to my order…
Cheers
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Welcome to the party Alpha10, I know you'll be extremely happy with your new additions :thumb:
I have to agree, if some kind of server with matching cosmetics to the BDA/BDP was available then it would be in my rack asap, although the BCD would probably have to go to make way for it as it is getting very little use nowadays.
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Welcome to the party Alpha10, I know you'll be extremely happy with your new additions :thumb:
Cheers Vipers, my efforts feel insignificant compared with yours.....
As this is an audio board, what is the perceived wisdom as the best way to connect the BDP to the BDA, AES-EBU or BNC-BNC ? They will be one on top of the other.
Cheers
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“There have been posted reports of SQ issues comparing thumbdrives verses USB-HD.”
Yes, unsubstantiated and unlikely to be indentified in a double blind test.
“The USB cable DIRECTLY connects the USB UD into the BDP-1. THE USB cable has POWER and SIGNAL (hence the ability to use cable powered drives). A poorly designed USB HD may cause noise issues when connected directly....so it becomes a crap shoot... you got lucky... someone else might not (hence my suggestion of some "certified" list of USB HD's)”
No not luck, good engineering by Bryston, uses galvanic isolation to separate the “computer element” from the “audio element” within the BDP-1. There will of course be exceptions that I am sure an engineer cannot foresee, but for the most part is covered. You have the choice of using a powered HDD or a USB powered HDD, whatever best fits your set-up. But, I agree that a list of Bryston certified HDDs (can be a very short list) would give better customer confidence and help to reduce the impact of misdirection by uninformed individuals.
“My comment re ethernet/SAMBA removed the USB connection from the equation. So the worst designed USB HD (or even PC) power supply for example, when connected to the PC WONT cause SQ issues because the Ethernet cable essentially break any electicial ground etc between the BDP-1 and the remote PC/HD.”
I agree that implementing Samba in both directions would be a good thing (and have already publically stated and requested this), and only involves software. It would also serve to neutralise at least your and my differing opinions and provide the best of both Worlds with minimum man-hour cost and much improved flexibility.
So, James… three requests, two of which are purely software based:
1) Implement an “index system” to improve the load times from power On, as previously requested.
2) Implement Samba shares in both directions:
a. Accessing the BDP-1 connected HDD from PCs on the same network (already functioning)
b. Search and select/access Samba shares on the same network, this would include NAS, PCs etc. and would be no different from accessing directly connected USB HDDs.
3) Develop a list of recommended self powered HDDs and bus powered HDDs to consider quiet physical and electrical operation and best performance with the BDP-1.
Regards
Russell
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As this is an audio board, what is the perceived wisdom as the best way to connect the BDP to the BDA, AES-EBU or BNC-BNC ? They will be one on top of the other.
I have found that the AES/EBU cable delivers slightly better SQ compared with a BNC, it was/is a close-run comparison and the differences were minor. The BNC cables I tried were Chord ProDAC Pro Digital, BlueJeans (Belden 1694A HDTV Precision) and Supra DAC. To be honest, I found it difficult to separate these, but have left the Chord connected as an option to my favoured AES/EBU.
What I did not expect is which AES/EBU cable… I had 3 in hand to try:
1) Chord Chameleon Silver Plus (I use these in analogue balanced form between my Anthem D2v and 7BSSTs and have been very happy with the performance). These are generally used for Analogue, but Chord advised that they are suitable for Digital as well.
2) Supra DAC (previously used for CD to Benchmark DAC1 HDR)
3) BlueJeans (Belden Brilliance 1800f), cheap and various uses
Of the above, I was surprised to find that I preferred the BlueJeans AES/EBU cable, and this is currently used as the primary.
My set-up will of course be different to yours, specifically because I am using the Anthem D2v as the DAC (in preference to the Benchmark).
Regards
Russell
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Cheers Vipers, my efforts feel insignificant compared with yours.....
As this is an audio board, what is the perceived wisdom as the best way to connect the BDP to the BDA, AES-EBU or BNC-BNC ? They will be one on top of the other.
Cheers
Hi Alpha 1
I would recommend the AES EBU if you have both the BDA-1 DAC and the BDP-1 digital player.
The advantage of the AES is you have a fully differential balanced signal (low noise), it has twice the voltage swing of the standard SPDIF (BNC) type connections which the digital receiving devices really seem to like :thumb:
Both the BNC and the AES connections are transformer coupled to optimize impedance matching (digital signals operate at very high frequencies so impedance matching is important to prevent signal reflection issues) so use a 75 ohm BCN cable and 110 ohm AES EBU cable. (They are available from us online if you have any trouble finding them).
i will be very interested in your comments once you get the system up and running. Did you do the audition in your home or at a dealer?
james
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Hi Alpha 1
I would recommend the AES EBU if you have both the BDA-1 DAC and the BDP-1 digital player.
i will be very interested in your comments once you get the system up and running. Did you do the audition in your home or at a dealer?
james
Brilliant James, just the info I was after :D
I am lucky enough to have a dealer in UK who knows me well and allowed a home demo with my PMC speakers etc, which I personally believe is the only way...
Thanks
Alpha10
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Any digital technology where slight differences in the cables used to convey the digital signal produce end-result differences is defective by design.
Nap.
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Brilliant James, just the info I was after :D
I am lucky enough to have a dealer in UK who knows me well and allowed a home demo with my PMC speakers etc, which I personally believe is the only way...
Thanks
Alpha10
...to have a dealer who allows to make home demos with Bryston equipment...this my neverending dream!!!
al.
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“There have been posted reports of SQ issues comparing thumbdrives verses USB-HD.”
Yes, unsubstantiated and unlikely to be indentified in a double blind test.
“The USB cable DIRECTLY connects the USB UD into the BDP-1. THE USB cable has POWER and SIGNAL (hence the ability to use cable powered drives). A poorly designed USB HD may cause noise issues when connected directly....so it becomes a crap shoot... you got lucky... someone else might not (hence my suggestion of some "certified" list of USB HD's)”
No not luck, good engineering by Bryston, uses galvanic isolation to separate the “computer element” from the “audio element” within the BDP-1. There will of course be exceptions that I am sure an engineer cannot foresee, but for the most part is covered. You have the choice of using a powered HDD or a USB powered HDD, whatever best fits your set-up. But, I agree that a list of Bryston certified HDDs (can be a very short list) would give better customer confidence and help to reduce the impact of misdirection by uninformed individuals.
“My comment re ethernet/SAMBA removed the USB connection from the equation. So the worst designed USB HD (or even PC) power supply for example, when connected to the PC WONT cause SQ issues because the Ethernet cable essentially break any electicial ground etc between the BDP-1 and the remote PC/HD.”
I agree that implementing Samba in both directions would be a good thing (and have already publically stated and requested this), and only involves software. It would also serve to neutralise at least your and my differing opinions and provide the best of both Worlds with minimum man-hour cost and much improved flexibility.
So, James… three requests, two of which are purely software based:
1) Implement an “index system” to improve the load times from power On, as previously requested.
2) Implement Samba shares in both directions:
a. Accessing the BDP-1 connected HDD from PCs on the same network (already functioning)
b. Search and select/access Samba shares on the same network, this would include NAS, PCs etc. and would be no different from accessing directly connected USB HDDs.
3) Develop a list of recommended self powered HDDs and bus powered HDDs to consider quiet physical and electrical operation and best performance with the BDP-1.
Regards
Russell
Hi Russell,
Some good suggestions - I will try and list a few of the USB HD and Thumb Drives I have used with good results.
james
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I did a quick look and the Thumbdrives I have used with good success are the Lexar (32G and 64G) and the Cruser (16G). For what it's worth do not buy the thumbdrives that have all the interactive programs on them as they just clutter things up. Also look at the read/write times of the drives because some are greater than others and I find they load quicker.
On the USB Hard Drive side I have used Seagate 320 drives with good success and Western Digital. I have tried a USB 3 drive but it did not seem to make any difference over the USB 2 drives.
I also have a USB NexStar 3 SSD drive for experimenting with.
Also if you find things like Recycle Bin or Data or Trash etc. showing up on the front panel display when your browsing or in your wireless interface you can get rid of them by going into the Folder Options on your computer and clicking on Show Hidden Files or Properties on the drive itself - and then delete them.
Hope this helps.
james
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For those inclined to rather buy SDHC cards instead of USB keys, here's a classy combo:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_171&item_id=026322 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_171&item_id=026322)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010564&CatId=4552 (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010564&CatId=4552)
Interesting that @ $2000 the BDP couldn't afford to have a SDHC card reader slot.
Nap.
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For those inclined to rather buy SDHC cards instead of USB keys, here's a classy combo:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_171&item_id=026322 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_171&item_id=026322)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010564&CatId=4552 (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010564&CatId=4552)
Interesting that @ $2000 the BDP couldn't afford to have a SDHC card reader slot.
Nap.
Nap - why are you so negative?
james
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There are multi-hub readers...
(http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/images/etc/P7//720X400_TSRDP7.jpg)
Such as this one from Transcend... it transcends really the need for an innternally mounted reader... :thumb:
Sharkoon is another company that makes hub/readers that are really good! Remember that name!
Imp.
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Nap - why are you so negative?
james
Trying to push towards the BDAP-1 :green:
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^^^^^
Maybe a multi-card reader is something you could consider adding to the BSSD-1 we were talking about before, giving even greater flexibility.
You never know might even cheer Nap up :oops:
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There are multi-hub readers...
Such as this one from Transcend... it transcends really the need for an innternally mounted reader... :thumb:
Sharkoon is another company that makes hub/readers that are really good! Remember that name!
Imp.
All we need now is Werd to review the acoustic abilities of different combos of SD cards / hubs / USB cable :lol:
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Trying to push towards the BDAP-1 :green:
Good comeback :)
James
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There is a new standard for the SD cards... SDXC just about these days.
The Windows support is located in update: exFAT (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=1cbe3906-ddd1-4ca2-b727-c2dff5e30f61&displaylang=en)
ExFat is for insanely large storage volumes... hardly needed for audio purposes. :roll:
If one should theorise...
Usb 3.0 port would be nice in a next gen "device", lots of chip options:
Intel, Nec, ASMedia, VIA, TI, Renesas that I'm aware of.
A SSD drive bay Maybe... but why? A properly executed USB3.0 port would rule!
Internal multicard reader thoughts...
Much better to add a USB 3.0 port, as it is usb 2.0 compatible as well...
Lots of docs and hubs and card readers out there... that connect via usb 2.0 and in the future usb 3.0!
My 2 cents..
Imp.
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I agree USB 3.0 would be nice. I don't desperately need a new computer but I'm not that far off from a normal upgrade to something a little more up-to-date. At this point in time USB 3.0 to me is a necessity as otherwise I may as wait a bit as I have no dire need. My next PC will be more geared towards digitizing music. I don't want to 'upgrade' to what will be somewhat dated technology at some point that is not that far off.
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I agree USB 3.0 would be nice. I don't desperately need a new computer but I'm not that far off from a normal upgrade to something a little more up-to-date. At this point in time USB 3.0 to me is a necessity as otherwise I may as wait a bit as I have no dire need. My next PC will be more geared towards digitizing music. I don't want to 'upgrade' to what will be somewhat dated technology at some point that is not that far off.
I am told by the engineering guys that USB 3 has no application in the BDP-1 given the data transfer speeds we are dealing with.
james
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All we need now is Werd to review the acoustic abilities of different combos of SD cards / hubs / USB cable :lol:
Would love to but i can't.... took it back.
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I am told by the engineering guys that USB 3 has no application in the BDP-1 given the data transfer speeds we are dealing with.
james
James, out of curiosity what size files have they tested or is it just theory they are referring to? Where they referring to playback capability or loading of the files or both?
For my purposes, while my next PC will be geared towards digitizing music, I see no point to living with older technology when newer ones are now available. Whether or not I use all the capabilities is another story. I have about a 5 year Mac G5 tower I got used at a great deal and a Dell XPS machine. While I don't feel I am lacking anything terribly for mainly surfing the web, I'd like to get the new PC in the near future and start concentrating on getting my music organized and stored so that an upgrade to something like the BDP-1 is an easier choice with all the software in place.
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Would love to but i can't.... took it back.
I have a friend who honestly did an A/B comparison of solder so just go ahead and do it. Don't worry, we'll chip in for any (non-acoustical treatment) padding needed for the room :green:
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I am told by the engineering guys that USB 3 has no application in the BDP-1 given the data transfer speeds we are dealing with.
james
True, but a USB3.0 port would be able to power a wider range of devices connected to it.
Also, it is a async standard by nature... http://www.inno-logic.com/resourcesUSB3.html
However, one would have to wait untill april/may or something before one will see the entire picture of this new standard.
By then the main Linux distros and FreeBSD will have full usb3.0 support, and people are gonna start experimenting wildly with usb3.0.
You know, issues will arrise and by say August 2011 they will most likely be rectified.
then one could make an assessment say from a manufacture standpoint...
But of course, one should follow stuff along the line, I guess.
But yes... right now USB3.0 would be Audiophile Bling... :D and for transfer purposes not really needed.
Imp.
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Hi,
Yes I really feel doing one job and doing it well is the right approach. The more you try to make a swiss army knife the more it takes away from performance - or lets say that has been our experience so far. We already had a state of the art DAC in the market and to build it into the BDP-1 would have simply added extra cost for many of our customers. Also remember that the BDA-1 DAC has the ability to handle up to 8 different digital inputs which makes it much more versatile than a dedicated internal DAC.
The thing I really liked about the latest German review on the BDP-1 was the comments about going into the review with serious doubts about the product and concluding that this in fact is a great product and positioned so it can be the start of a great digital audio system.
Ultimately you listen and you tweek and you try to develop products that push the performance envelop as best you know how. Its strictly up to the consumer to decide if you have succeeded or not.
THE DEMO IS EVERYTHING :thumb:
james
Yes and i would recommend getting rid of the led screen. After original startup its fricken useless. I would like an option that doesn't have the screen. Or at least be able to change what it says. Like - you werd are fantastic !!!! Or give yourself a pat on the back you deserve it.... Because like i said "there is no free lunch in digital playback". That screen gets amplified so there may as well be something on there that means something.
I remember when i fired up my bcd for the first time. It would not function and all it did was scroll across the led screen "tanner rules while werd drools". It wasn't until i figured out the sequence of commands on the remote was i able to set it back to default. :icon_lol:
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Yes and i would recommend getting rid of the led screen. After original startup its fricken useless. I would like an option that doesn't have the screen. Or at least be able to change what it says. Like - you werd are fantastic !!!! Or give yourself a pat on the back you deserve it.... Because like i said "there is no free lunch in digital playback". That screen gets amplified so there may as well be something on there that means something.
I remember when i fired up my bcd for the first time. It would not function and all it did was scroll across the led screen "tanner rules while werd drools". It wasn't until i figured out the sequence of commands on the remote was i able to set it back to default. :icon_lol:
Hi Werd - actually on the 'Settings' page in the BDP-1 homepage you can type in what you want the display to say on the bottom - engineering had a fun time with me with that feature when I was auditioning the various versions of the BDP-1 during the development stage :duh:
james
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Hi Werd - actually on the 'Settings' page in the BDP-1 homepage you can type in what you want the display to say on the bottom - engineering had a fun time with me with that feature when I was auditioning the various versions of the BDP-1 during the development stage :duh:
james
love it :thumb:
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love it :thumb:
By the way the front panel display and interface are totally independent of the data processing functions of the BDP-1 :thumb: Even down to an independent power supply.
James
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By the way the front panel display and interface are totally independent of the data processing functions of the BDP-1 :thumb: Even down to an independent power supply.
James
So then it will be cheaper.... right on...sold. :D
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I have a friend who honestly did an A/B comparison of solder so just go ahead and do it. Don't worry, we'll chip in for any (non-acoustical treatment) padding needed for the room :green:
I did some 3-4 years ago test:
Usb sticks... and Expresscard devices...
S-ata to USB adapters (connected Hdd's and Card readers)
IDE to USB (Connected Hdd's and Cd-rom drives and DVD burners)
The Card readers had CF cards, SD cards, Micro SD cards feed to them.
Micro SD cards came out on top... Followed by IDE connected DVD-burners (A plextor 760A) then came CF cards, then usb devices (usb sticks..), all connected by usb...
I had to make the comparo with a rather low tech setup, but used a Grado RS headset and a Earmax Pro with nos tubes for listening.
In my mind there was no doubt, MicroSD card via usb was the best sounding combo.
But it was 4 years ago... And it was "just for fun an afternoon.
Never did test different brands within a device "type" ...
ymmv... :scratch: and I really don't know if it is scalable, my findings... :?
Imp.
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Nap - why are you so negative?
james
Because he never gets any and we pay.
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Yes and i would recommend getting rid of the led screen. [...] That screen gets amplified so there may as well be something on there that means something.
:stupid: :duh:
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:stupid: :duh:
whatever napamax :lol:
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whatever napamax :lol:
Werd while we're at it why don't you just completely remove the LCD screen from your laptop. Without the noise it generates, Xcel will give purer results.
Nap. :lol:
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Werd while we're at it why don't you just completely remove the LCD screen from your laptop. Without the noise it generates, Xcel will give purer results.
Nap. :lol:
Now you are talking :thumb:
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Yes, I know where we are. The sound of this combo is probably fine, I have not heard the combination yet.
No problems with the interface whatsoever. There are several issues with the connectability, but they have been discussed already.
I actually very recently sold my BDA. the reasons for this: my Marantz KI Pearl SACD player sounds exactly the same, and now, after it has been in use for a while, probably even better. I also think it is VERY overpriced here, 2400 euros. I know what is on the Canadian pricetag, and I really don't see why we here in Europe have to pay double for the same piece of equipment.
The BDP is 2400 euros here too, which is about $ 2900 Can, or $ 3050 Us today.
I have heard it on a (non Bryston but WAAAY more expensive DAC), and although I really like the sound: the way it is now it's not worth the money to me. When presented as a BDAP-1 with integrated DAC in synchronous operation and a shielded slot in the back where you could insert a 2.5" drive (HD or SSD) we're getting there. Add some more ways to connect to a network (including wireless) plus more digital inputs and outputs (or, basically add the BDP to the BDA and add good network connections and good streaming possibilities for people that do not want to drag around disks and such) and we're really talking.
At this point Marantz is working on something like that. the NA7004 (http://marantz.co.uk/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=NetworkProducts&SubCatId=NetworkAudioPlayer&ProductId=NA7004) is a small baby step in this direction. I am very much looking forward to a KI version of this...
I HAVE heard both the BDA and BDP in action. Don't judge me okay?
Sorry Anonamemouse but i wasn't judging you. I didn't mean to come off like that. I like Marantz gear and thanks for the heads up on it but i don't know how you can compare a SACD to a DAC? The network players look good but to bad they are made in China. Explains the price anyways.
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Sorry Anonamemouse but i wasn't judging you. I didn't mean to come off like that. I like Marantz gear and thanks for the heads up on it but i don't know how you can compare a SACD to a DAC? The network players look good but to bad they are made in China. Explains the price anyways.
If Marantz makes a KI version.....i believe the KI(or most of the KI Line) is Made in Japan?
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If Marantz makes a KI version.....i believe the KI(or most of the KI Line) is Made in Japan?
Hopefully it is, i like the marantz line but what he linked was all Made in China.
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Hopefully it is, i like the marantz line but what he linked was all Made in China.
And your problem is?
nap.
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^^^^Its just commie junk :icon_lol:, but it looks like the KI line on that page is Made in Japan so thats a relief.
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Its just commie junk :icon_lol:,
It's made on order according to specifications.
Blame those who designed and ordered junk.
Nap.
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It's made on order according to specifications.
Blame those who designed and ordered junk.
Nap.
Yes. Like Krell, Apple, Nokia, etc, etc, etc.
Much like 99% of all things electronic!
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Sorry Anonamemouse but i wasn't judging you. I didn't mean to come off like that. I like Marantz gear and thanks for the heads up on it but i don't know how you can compare a SACD to a DAC? The network players look good but to bad they are made in China. Explains the price anyways.
No worries, we all have off days... :|
I compared the DAC with the KI Pearl using regular CD material. Thanks to Sony there is no direct access to the digital signal of a SACD, so no way to compare there. In many cases SACD is well beyond the standard 44.1 quality of a redbook CD. Not always though... For example Dire Straits is ripping people off by using the redbook master for the SACD...
If Marantz makes a KI version.....i believe the KI (or most of the KI Line) is Made in Japan?
The KI signature line is all made in Japan, at the Marantz development factory in Kanagawa. The "basic" consumer stuff indeed nowadays is made in China.
^^^^Its just commie junk :icon_lol:, but it looks like the KI line on that page is Made in Japan so thats a relief.
Keep in mind that every fourth person on this planet is Chinese... There just *have* to be a few pretty brilliant minds there as well.
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No worries, we all have off days... :|
I compared the DAC with the KI Pearl using regular CD material. Thanks to Sony there is no direct access to the digital signal of a SACD, so no way to compare there. In many cases SACD is well beyond the standard 44.1 quality of a redbook CD. Not always though... For example Dire Straits is ripping people off by using the redbook master for the SACD...
The KI signature line is all made in Japan, at the Marantz development factory in Kanagawa. The "basic" consumer stuff indeed nowadays is made in China.
Keep in mind that every fourth person on this planet is Chinese... There just *have* to be a few pretty brilliant minds there as well.
And i feel for them. They are caught up in a regime fascist/commie (however you look at it) corporate politics that allows for max profit. Its unavoidable that hi-end manufactures gets painted with the same brush as the rest of the junk that gets unloaded out of that country.
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They are caught up in a regime fascist/commie (however you look at it) corporate politics that allows for max profit.
Let me edit it:
"They are caught up in a regime of corporate politics that allows for max profit."
Anything different on this continent?
Nap.
(http://)
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Hi Folks,
If you think running a specialty audio company provides 'maximum profits' your sadly mistaken. For most this is a labour of love and a job that pays the bills. :)
james
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If you think running a specialty audio company provides 'maximum profits' your sadly mistaken. For most this is a labour of love and a job that pays the bills. :)
james
Sorry for the misunderstanding, by "corporate" I mean Exxon size.
If you don't run an army of lobbyists in Ottawa/Washington you don't qualify. :nono:
Nap.
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Let me edit it:
"They are caught up in a regime of corporate politics that allows for max profit."
Anything different on this continent?
Nap.
(http://)
Hehe
I wish somebody would've asked me way back when.. "Hey do you mind?, we are going over to China and while over there we are going to exploit a nation. We are going to force people into slightly above slave labor conditions. Pretty much rail road em every chance we get. Don't worry the regime there is on board (they'll do the railroading). And guess what the great thing is everything is going to be cheap, it'll bring down the price i promise. And we'll make billions... not you of course but us"
What they didn't mention is everything they bring over will be of real low quality crap and pretty much harbor an amazing industry of counterfeit that you'll end up buying without knowing.
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What they didn't mention is everything they bring over will be of real low quality crap [...]
...manufactured to order and specs, as the biggest the difference between manufacturing cost and sale price, the biggest the profits and the CEO's bonus.
As for global economy and politics, I suspect you were :smoke: in the washrooms during the courses :lol:
Nap.
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...manufactured to order and specs, as the biggest the difference between manufacturing cost and sale price, the biggest the profits and the CEO's bonus.
As for global economy and politics, I suspect you were :smoke: in the washrooms during the courses :lol:
Nap.
No i was in the classroom. That course was held where it belongs "in the washroom". flushing of the toilet makes for a great learning prop.
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Hi Folks,
If you think running a specialty audio company provides 'maximum profits' your sadly mistaken. For most this is a labour of love and a job that pays the bills. :)
james
Come on. You trying to tell us you drive that B@W because you been betting on the leafs... :lol:
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Come on. You trying to tell us you drive that B@W because you been betting on the leafs... :lol:
Hi Werd,
No leaf bets - just almost 60 years for working hard and prioritizing where I spend. :)
james
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This quote was a couple of pages back talking about a jumper from BDP-1 to BDA-1 -- James had said that he was using a 4 in. jumper. In the December issue of TAS, Robert Harley made a statement to the effect that speaker cables and ICs should be as short as possible with the exception that digital ICs were best at 1 meter to 1.5 meters. Has anyone noticed that? Would like to hear confirmation/comments from anyone.
Good question, has this been further explored yet?
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Thanks Russell, that is great news, but the BDP-1 isn't showing up yet.
I had this response from Logitech:
"A request for the codes to be published have been made. However, this process may take up to a week. In the meantime, if there are people you know that really needs these commands, you can tell them to refer to this incident number (110121-004793) and we can add the codes to the other customer's account."
Regards
Russell
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There's a lot of good info buried in these 34 pages. James, do you think it would be good to start a BDP-1 technical thread that gathers in one place all that has been learned about using the product? Like FAT32 allows you to read and write, NTFS is read only and exFAT doesn't work. Additional technical facts on how to write to a BDP-1 connected drive. Info on the various remotes like MPOD, Gnome, Logitech. It's mostly in here somewhere but it might be good to pull it into one place.
Jim
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There's a lot of good info buried in these 34 pages. James, do you think it would be good to start a BDP-1 technical thread that gathers in one place all that has been learned about using the product? Like FAT32 allows you to read and write, NTFS is read only and exFAT doesn't work. Additional technical facts on how to write to a BDP-1 connected drive. Info on the various remotes like MPOD, Gnome, Logitech. It's mostly in here somewhere but it might be good to pull it into one place.
Jim
Hi Jim,
Yes we have been looking at maybe doing a FAQ section?
james
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Hi Jim,
Yes we have been looking at maybe doing a FAQ section?
james
Better yet. That would be perfect.
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Better yet. That would be perfect.
OK - I will add the heading to the Bryston Circle and everyone can contribute.
james
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James is betting on the Canucks now. :lol: The beat Ottawa last night!!!!!!!!!! :D :thumb:
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I had this response from Logitech:
"A request for the codes to be published have been made. However, this process may take up to a week. In the meantime, if there are people you know that really needs these commands, you can tell them to refer to this incident number (110121-004793) and we can add the codes to the other customer's account."
Regards
Russell
Thanks Russell!
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Check out the xlr i am getting from the bdp to bda. Its from Harmonic tech. only 1300 for a 1.5 meter.
http://www.harmonictech.com/products/photon/photon-digital.html
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Check out the xlr i am getting from the bdp to bda. Its from Harmonic tech. only 1300 for a 1.5 meter.
http://www.harmonictech.com/products/photon/photon-digital.html
I hope you can demo first as the "specs" seem to be self conflicting:
*Patent-pending LAM ensures music is never digitized and offers the lowest possible noise floor
*The LAM modules are applied at both ends of the cable, ensuring absolutely no analog-to-digital conversion
*Fiber-optic technology ensures entire signal path is purely analog, without any sampling
*Light transmission through the fiber is uni-directional
*Since back reflection is extremely low (< -55dB), optical isolators are unnecessary
1) the music is already digitized, and for XLRs, it is a balanced digital signal.
2) it's converting one medium (copper) to another medium (fiber optics)
3) how can light be uni-directional with back reflection?
*Photon light signals make it immune to EMI and RFI interference
Any EMI/RFI gains with fiber were lost with the require power supply and what appears to be a cable shield.
The best one:
*Musical information is preserved to a greater degree due to complete lack of digitization
It's a freakin digital signal, it's already digitized..
glass and laser-like
Is glass like fiber, plastic?
Sadly Werd,
It seems like this will combine all the issues of toslink regarding jitter and remove any benefit of a balanced cable in terms of noise reduction.
Hopefully you can test drive before you buy..
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Werd
Check out Nordost silver shadow digital cable. http://www.nordost.com/prodlist.asp?BrandID=66
I got this 1.5 meter cable RCA to RCA and add BNC adapters to both ends and got it all for aprox $480.oo CDN or try out TRansparents Premium 110-Ohm AES/EBU Digital Link cable http://transparentcable.com/products/show_product.php?recID=50&perfID=1&catID=3&modCAT=1
I had this cable for a year or so and got a 1 meter for aprox same price as the Nordost.
I need to be able to use either cable with the BCD-1 CD player to the BDA-1 DAC and/or BDP-1 player to BDA-1 DAC so that is why I choose RCA to RCA with BNC adapters on the Nordost plus the price was write.
Right now I am doing an a/b comparision using both cables hooked up to the BDP-1 and the BDA-1 and breaking in the Silver Shadow. It is not a true BNC connection but that is what I have and can afford at this moment. My wife made a comment she likes the Transparent cable {which is XLR at both ends) at this monent as more detailed and clearer.
Any way sit down, relax, have some fun while you listen to your music and have a glass of :wine: or too
Larry
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I hope you can demo first as the "specs" seem to be self conflicting:1) the music is already digitized, and for XLRs, it is a balanced digital signal.
2) it's converting one medium (copper) to another medium (fiber optics)
3) how can light be uni-directional with back reflection? Any EMI/RFI gains with fiber were lost with the require power supply and what appears to be a cable shield.
The best one:It's a freakin digital signal, it's already digitized.. Is glass like fiber, plastic?
Sadly Werd,
It seems like this will combine all the issues of toslink regarding jitter and remove any benefit of a balanced cable in terms of noise reduction.
Hopefully you can test drive before you buy..
Thanks Skunark
It could be cutting edge or it could be self-defeating its hard to say. I hate the price. Thats why this stuff is so expensive because you can't test drive it (well not in Saskatoon anyways).
The only thing i can do is try and get a dealer to give me a decent discount. Use it for maybe a year and then sell it on audigon. Thank god for Agon because this hobby would be dead in the water without it. I want to hear this stuff but the only way is by buying and then selling it. It turns into a sort of lease on audio gear. If you can get a dealer to cut you a deal then its worth it. The price hit is usually small when it becomes time to sell. The only reason why i am looking at it is because Harmonic tech has good resell on Agon.
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Werd
Check out Nordost silver shadow digital cable. http://www.nordost.com/prodlist.asp?BrandID=66
I got this 1.5 meter cable RCA to RCA and add BNC adapters to both ends and got it all for aprox $480.oo CDN or try out TRansparents Premium 110-Ohm AES/EBU Digital Link cable http://transparentcable.com/products/show_product.php?recID=50&perfID=1&catID=3&modCAT=1
I had this cable for a year or so and got a 1 meter for aprox same price as the Nordost.
I need to be able to use either cable with the BCD-1 CD player to the BDA-1 DAC and/or BDP-1 player to BDA-1 DAC so that is why I choose RCA to RCA with BNC adapters on the Nordost plus the price was write.
Right now I am doing an a/b comparision using both cables hooked up to the BDP-1 and the BDA-1 and breaking in the Silver Shadow. It is not a true BNC connection but that is what I have and can afford at this moment. My wife made a comment she likes the Transparent cable {which is XLR at both ends) at this monent as more detailed and clearer.
Any way sit down, relax, have some fun while you listen to your music and have a glass of :wine: or too
Larry
Hey bugsy
I was looking at a Gutwire chime2 on CAM, I was going to buy it but the guy had just sold it. The Nordost looks good, i had a run of Quatra-fil that was really good. I am going to look at that and see if there is any Silver Shadow on Agon. How much is the Transparent in xlr?
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Hey bugsy
I was looking at a Gutwire chime2 on CAM, I was going to buy it but the guy had just sold it. The Nordost looks good, i had a run of Quatra-fil that was really good. I am going to look at that and see if there is any Silver Shadow on Agon. How much is the Transparent in xlr?
Werd
I got these quotes from the 2 dealers I deal with in Van.
Dealer 1 said same price for either with AES/EBU or (BNC/RCA) ends.
A Nordos Silver Shadow (110 Ohm & AES/EBU) or Nordos Silver Shadow (75 Ohm RCA/BNC) 1 meter goes for $599.00, 1.5 meter goes for $744.00 plus taxes
Dealer 2 said
Transparent Premium Link 110-Ohm AES/EBU Digital Link 1 meter goes for $525.00 and 1.5 meters for $625.00 plus taxes.
Transparent Reference Link 110-Ohm AES/EBU Digital Link 1 meter goes for $1550.00 and 1.5 meters goes for $1750.00 plus taxes
Transparent had a try it before you buy it programm in January not sure if they are still running it but check out this web site for more info http://transparentcable.blogspot.com/2010/12/transparent-launches-try-it-now.html
Larry
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Hi Jim,
Got the BDP-1 running easily last night with a couple of USB sticks. I listened to the one from Bryston and then had a couple of my own.
Wow- the high-rez is really, really loud and dynamic compared to the standard 44.1/16. I had a Sony SACD player a couple of years ago, but it did not sound like this. I kept having to turn down the volume, not from distortion, but just sheer explosive volume of the tracks (especially with classical music). I am definitely waking up the neighbors! My wife, who is a bit of audiophile as well (I drag her to the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest every year) also commented on how much better the hi-rez music sounded. Though I know it depends on how the hi-rez stuff was originally recorded, it makes me want to re-buy everything I already have in the CD version, in high-rez.
In addition, the standard 16bit/44.1 sounds better as well from what I had with my IPOD/Wadia. This thing works just like a CD player.
I am hooking it up to my router later this afternoon and will try the Bryston mini on my iphone and put the shortcut to the Max on my Imac. All and all, a great product. Once I got the hang of using the internal web browser it was pretty simple. Had a bit of minor difficulty going back and forth between USB sticks, but once I realized the correct buttons to press on front panel, it was easy.
A very good purchase!
Regards,
David
David Sims
Applications Engineer - ATAC
Arrow Electronics
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Hi ^^^^^^^^^
I hope he the gets use out of his iphone with it. Having that feature completely untethered me from my system in cuing (lol i just figured out how to spell that word..cue) up tunes. Thats the big reason i am buying it. I didn't like the HDD i had hooked up but the usb stick was great. I can make it work np to the way i want it to sound just by fiddling with hd's, thumbdrives and usb connects. I just got to get it my house...... cook where's my hassenpheffer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDe8fTgVUZw
:D
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Hi James,
Listening to regular 44.1/16 bit files now, and the BDP-1 is in a entirely different league than the Wadia 170i doc that I was using.
Bass is better and bigger, depth is better, instrument separation and dynamics are much, much better. The noise floor is also lower. It seems to be a much fuller, richer presentation that what I had earlier.
Probably better parts and a much better power supply have a lot do with this.
David Sims
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Hi James, for everyone's information about the Bryston AES/EBU 1m balanced cable between BDP-1 and BDA-1:
This cable and that output make an incredible difference: I just listened to the original file of Svetlana’s Rachmaninov concerto live concert and this was as close as it got from being there again. The spatial info, the true timbers of the piano, everything was there. It’s completely neutral and that’s why it just flows like the real thing.
Very impressive.
:D
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Hi James,
Listening to regular 44.1/16 bit files now, and the BDP-1 is in a entirely different league than the Wadia 170i doc that I was using.
Bass is better and bigger, depth is better, instrument separation and dynamics are much, much better. The noise floor is also lower. It seems to be a much fuller, richer presentation that what I had earlier.
Probably better parts and a much better power supply have a lot do with this.
David Sims
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Listening to my first 24/192 tonight. Sweet.
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Hi James,
After playing more with my CD player for the past weeks, I just keep reverting back to the BDP-1 Digital Player:
..and it blows me away ...again...its just so much quieter, easier on the ears and cleaner.
Cheers
Tom - Singapore
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Very nice coverage and comments on the BDP-1 and BDA-1 combo :thumb:
http://www.cepro.com/article/gap_between_analog_digital_audio_narrows/
james
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...just ordered a BDP-1. should join 'the family' within the next two weeks or so :thumb: :thumb:.
al.
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New review on BDP-1 and BDA-1 combo :D
http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-bdp-1-digital-player-review.html
james
PS - reviewer purchased the units :thumb:
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From: Michael Stewart
Sent: February-21-11 7:20 PM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: BDP-1 BDA-1
Hello James,
Thank you so much for the advice on getting the BDP-1 and the BDA-1. Got it all hooked up this past weekend.
Wow! So this is the long overdue promise for digital music . What the hell am I to do with my nearly 2000 compact discs? I just received the Beatles on USB, and am loving it!
Happy listening from your old Ohio customer.
Regards,
Michael Stewart
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A not very new Dutch article
http://www.avblog.nl/bryston-bdp-1-de-opvolger-van-het-cd-loopwerk/
and a rough translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avblog.nl%2Fbryston-bdp-1-de-opvolger-van-het-cd-loopwerk%2F
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Can I add my name to that list as well, if you could post all the HEX, ASCii, Pronto codes for all your products that would be really helpful .
In particular for me the BP26, BDA & BDP...
Thank you in advance..
Rich.
James,
As per my previous posts, when can I / we expect to have the HEX codes for the kit. Considering the amount of money I have spent on Bryston kit, I would have thought that the codes would have been sent me by now, however, I still sit here waiting patiently :?!!!, so please can you PM and/or post them on the forum site.
Thank you.
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James,
As per my previous posts, when can I / we expect to have the HEX codes for the kit. Considering the amount of money I have spent on Bryston kit, I would have thought that the codes would have been sent me by now, however, I still sit here waiting patiently :?!!!, so please can you PM and/or post them on the forum site.
Thank you.
Hi - sorry for the delay - email mpickett@bryston.com - his finger is on the send key!
james
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Hi - sorry for the delay - email mpickett@bryston.com - his finger is on the send key!
james
Some pranksters sneaked in during the long weekend and substituted the key :jester:
(http://)
Nap.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_AiLmlLY6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_AiLmlLY6k)
Well, it looks like Mrs. Laundrew is now sold on this system after watching this video and she also believes that James is very handsome.
:D
Be well…
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From: Boris
Sent: February-22-11 9:05 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Re: RE: Customer Response
James,
Thanks for the reply, I was impressed that someone actually reads these.
I'm using a Window 7 64bit computer and a Windows Vista 32bit laptop to interface with the BDP1.
I did finally manage to get the firefox minion interface to work, a lot easier to create play lists and also activate the random button. After that the Bryston Max and Min work just fine for basic control functions. I just have to remind myself that this software was only designed to be an interface, which it does quite well.
I also downloaded a couple tracks from HDTracks and was very pleased with what I hear!
Anyhow, I was a little skeptical at first about buying this unit, but now I wonder how I lived without it.
Thanks for another great product!
Boris
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Hi Folks,
Was told today that the reviewer from Stereophile has finished his review on the BDP-1 Digital Player and it should be in the June issue. :thumb:
james
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_AiLmlLY6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_AiLmlLY6k)
Well, it looks like Mrs. Laundrew is now sold on this system after watching this video and she also believes that James is very handsome.
:D
Be well…
I do like these videos.
James, Any chance of doing a video demoing the iphone / ipad control for the BDP-1?
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I do like these videos.
James, Any chance of doing a video demoing the iphone / ipad control for the BDP-1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kdITMX-I5c
james
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kdITMX-I5c
james
James
Vid is the best, you should have video for first time setup and using different devices.
I notice that the bdp needs to be turned off first and then ethernet connected to get your computer to see it. You cant put an ethernet in on the fly and your network see it. My xbox and bdp are using the same ethernet so i have to switch over all the time. This isn't a permanent state but its how i have it right now.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kdITMX-I5c
james
Thanks
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I am enjoying my bdp-1 but there is not enough high-rez material out there that I like to make full use of it. I have fairly decent vinyl system and phone pre-amp so I am considering ripping my vinyl to 24/96 (my dac does not support 192). Has anyone here done this and what was the results. I know uhf magazine had an article about this which I have to try to find. Are there any decent a to d converters for under $500? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Alinto,
i have ripped some vinyl to 96/24 and the results are pretty good. i have the ESI Juli@ soundcard which has balanced and unbalanced input/output. my phono preamp's (Bryston BP 1.5) output is directly connected to the soundcard's unbalanced input in order to get the shortest signal path. maybe you want to try it this way... :thumb:
al.
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Well, it looks like Mrs. Laundrew is now sold on this system after watching this video and she also believes that James is very handsome.
:D
Be well…
Might I suggest that your next upgrade purchase be either a new set of eye glasses for Mrs. Laundrew or if she doesnt wear them now... her 1st set of eye glasses :D
Peter
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From: Kishan.Singh
Sent: March-03-11 4:14 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: RE: BDP-1
Hi James
Thanks for your guidance. I have had the pleasure of auditioning the BDP1 at my home and using the DAC on my B100. I must admit that the audio improvement (on those 8 x 96kHz/24bit sample tracks) is certainly noticeable.
I have placed an order for a unit.
I have a question on the BDP1, and you are probably the most qualified to give me accurate answers.
1. If I dont order the remote, how would I alternatively remotely control the BDP1, through the network options / laptop / Ipod??
Kind regards
Kishan
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From a very hi-end speaker manufacturer:
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Janczak
Sent: March-03-11 4:06 AM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: AW: AW: bryston
Hi James,
I received the Bryston gear for our demo room and connected it. Wo do have our reference amps and speakers there right now, a decent 80 K€ chain which is very revealing and just does what one feeds it with. Playing HD tracks via the BDA/BDP combo is nothing but unbelievable real. There is almost no "digital" signature in it, very very close to a really good (and mostly in that case super expensive) vinyl setup, not to speak about the comfort.
There is no CD-player in this world I know of (and most of our clients do have CD reproduction equipmentup up to 120 grand, I mean really expensive and good stuff) that comes close to well recorded high resolution files reproduced by the BDA/BDP. I will discover it furthermore and will play also with other DAC's but I need to give the BDA-DAC a 100% recomendation, especially for its price.
For me it is a wonderful alternative to demonstrate my clients/dealers/importers this new music-on-harddisk-technology. And on a personal note - it is almost a miracle of one sees it in relation to the price.
Great job, compliments to your designer team and thank you for your nice and professional support!
with best regards from Germany,
Jörn Janczak
CEO
TIDAL Audio GmbH
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"...There is no CD-player in this world I know of (and most of our clients do have CD reproduction equipmentup up to 120 grand, I mean really expensive and good stuff) that comes close to well recorded high resolution files reproduced by the BDA/BDP..."
Perhaps a little exaggeration going on here :scratch:
Be well...
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Perhaps a little exaggeration going on here :scratch:
Be well...
NOPE :D
james
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NOPE :D
james
For arguments sake, a well recorded SACD is “not close” to a well recorded high resolution files played from the BDA/BDP? Your suggesting that the difference in audio quality is this extreme or is our friend basing his results on low quality, compressed compact disks - I am somewhat skeptical and also very curious with respect to this. Perhaps an audition is on the horizon.
Be well...
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Hi James
I can relate 100% to Jörn Janczak's views on the BDP1/BDA1 combo....This is really the best I've heard.
Once I have my own unit hooked up, and have settled into listening to 96kHz/24 bit audio, I would want to do a professional writeup on the overall performance of the unit, with specific reference to the digital technology, the BDP1's full potential, given its networking ability....I willl keep you posted.....perhaps you may want to use this on the Bryston website after you have perused it....
I have been searching the internet for views and reviews on the BDP1 and could not find much .....I found a picture of you and a brief review on the BDP1 on You Tube...see attached....but this was really an extract from the PDF file on the BDP1 from your website.....which I have read 20 times already.....I believe that the world of audiophiles need an objective and comprehensive review, independent of Bryston, on the sheer sonic excellence of such a fine piece of audio engineering.
Actually it goes beyond engineering, its lateral thinking out of the "CD" box, well done to you and your team!!
Kind regards
Kishan
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Perhaps a little exaggeration going on here :scratch:
Be well...
Nope, if you're reading it well it says that 24/96 played through competent equipment is better than 16/44.1 played through equally competent equipment. No surprise here.
Only problem is that most of the music you may want to buy comes in 16/44.1 only. Where "most" means >99%.
Nap.
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SACD = Sucker's Audio CD
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SACD = Sucker's Audio CD
Hey Nap
what are you using for a front end?
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Hey Nap
what are you using for a front end?
A Sucker's Audio CD player.
Fortunately the Regular Audio CD player part still works.
This is pretty much like with Sucker's Audiophile Cables. You'll find out you were a sucker only after expensively sucking.
Nap.
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A Sucker's Audio CD player.
Fortunately the Regular Audio CD player part still works.
This is pretty much like with Sucker's Audiophile Cables. You'll find out you were a sucker only after expensively sucking.
Nap.
What brand are you using? Be specific...
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What brand are you using? Be specific...
The MK I version of this:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Home+Entertainment/Audio+Components/Elite+CD+Players/ci.PD-D6MK2-K.Kuro (http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Home+Entertainment/Audio+Components/Elite+CD+Players/ci.PD-D6MK2-K.Kuro)
Nap.
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The MK I version of this:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Home+Entertainment/Audio+Components/Elite+CD+Players/ci.PD-D6MK2-K.Kuro (http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Home+Entertainment/Audio+Components/Elite+CD+Players/ci.PD-D6MK2-K.Kuro)
Nap.
You are lucky i like Pioneer :green:
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You are lucky i like Pioneer :green:
I am lucky you couldn't find any bad review :green:
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I would recommend the AES EBU if you have both the BDA-1 DAC and the BDP-1 digital player.
Both the BNC and the AES connections are transformer coupled to optimize impedance matching (digital signals operate at very high frequencies so impedance matching is important to prevent signal reflection issues) so use a 75 ohm BCN cable and 110 ohm AES EBU cable.
james
James, quick follow up question if you do not mind, as I am about to order some cables, I have often heard that with some of these digital interconnects such as the AES-EBU that you should not use a very short lead and that 2m is recommended even for a short distance? I will have my BDP and BDA on top of each other so should I order a 0.25m, 1m or 2m version? If it makes any difference?
Cheers
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James, quick follow up question if you do not mind, as I am about to order some cables, I have often heard that with some of these digital interconnects such as the AES-EBU that you should not use a very short lead and that 2m is recommended even for a short distance? I will have my BDP and BDA on top of each other so should I order a 0.25m, 1m or 2m version? If it makes any difference?
Cheers
Hi Alpha10,
I have not used any cable longer than a meter so far but I am hard pressed to hear any difference between the 6 inch AES lead I have and the 1 meter.
james
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Hi Alpha10,
I have not used any cable longer than a meter so far but I am hard pressed to hear any difference between the 6 inch AES lead I have and the 1 meter.
james
Excellent, thank you very much, I will order a short one, keeps everything tidy.
Cheers
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Hi James,
Not sure if you've seen the review of the BDA/BDP combo in the UK's Hi Fi news magazine this month? I only had a quick flick, I'll pick up a copy tomorrow, but they gave it 81% for sound quality which is all they score, this is an excellent score as they are notoriously tough with their marks. I'll give some more feedback tomorrow when I've read the review.
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Hi James,
Not sure if you've seen the review of the BDA/BDP combo in the UK's Hi Fi news magazine this month? I only had a quick flick, I'll pick up a copy tomorrow, but they gave it 81% for sound quality which is all they score, this is an excellent score as they are notoriously tough with their marks. I'll give some more feedback tomorrow when I've read the review.
Hi Vipers,
No... have not seen it so yes please let me know their thoughts.
james
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I took my Bdp1 to the next level .
Hooked it up to the home network , and bought the I-Pad , brilliant stuff :thumb:
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I took my Bdp1 to the next level .
Hooked it up to the home network , and bought the I-Pad , brilliant stuff :thumb:
Hi Xinon,
Yes I have the same setup and using the iPad as the interface is just excellent. The new Linux based MPD interfaces like MPoD and MPaD are a joy to use :thumb: I love the fact that this is all based on an open source technology (Linux) :D
I think one of the problems we are having with some reviewers and the BDP-1 is they do not really understand how all the building blocks go together to provide a state of the art playback system. They seem to focus more on why it does not make tea in the morning rather than how it sounds :duh:
james
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The music first........and the sound with the Bda1 is the best I've heard , all the other stuff is just a bonus :lol:
I will try out some of the players for sure , but I really loved the Max interface .
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The music first........and the sound with the Bda1 is the best I've heard , all the other stuff is just a bonus :lol:
I will try out some of the players for sure , but I really loved the Max interface .
Yes the Bryston MAX is great because it gives you a lot of specific info - ex - file type and sample rate :thumb:
james
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I think one of the problems we are having with some reviewers and the BDP-1 is they do not really understand how all the building blocks go together to provide a state of the art playback system. They seem to focus more on why it does not make tea in the morning rather than how it sounds :duh:
james
I think the above statement sums up the review in Hi Fi News this month tbh, it's a very positive review, with the reviewer agreeing that network streamed audio can prove dispapointing in his experience and applauds the use of USB storage devices to achieve the best sound quality possible, good news so far, but then condradicts himself in his summary by stating that the BDP/BDA combo is capable of making fine music but represents an expensive way to achieve this level especially as it doesn't offer streaming or have internal storage that some competing products offer :duh:
As a side note, he also states that he preffered the audio from a flash drive over the HDD and that he compared 2 different S/Pdif cables and 2 different AES-EBU cables and preffered the Naim S/Pdif connection which is what I'm starting to find, the S/Pdif connection seems to give a livelier presentation which can be more engaging.
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I think the above statement sums up the review in Hi Fi News this month tbh, it's a very positive review, with the reviewer agreeing that network streamed audio can prove dispapointing in his experience and applauds the use of USB storage devices to achieve the best sound quality possible, good news so far, but then condradicts himself in his summary by stating that the BDP/BDA combo is capable of making fine music but represents an expensive way to achieve this level especially as it doesn't offer streaming or have internal storage that some competing products offer :duh:
As a side note, he also states that he preffered the audio from a flash drive over the HDD and that he compared 2 different S/Pdif cables and 2 different AES-EBU cables and preffered the Naim S/Pdif connection which is what I'm starting to find, the S/Pdif connection seems to give a livelier presentation which can be more engaging.
At first i gravitated to the s/pdif - bnc connection. The bnc is somewhat of a bandaid for many recordings it seems. In 192khz this player is all xlr imo. I have been through three cables in xlr and currently use a Cardas. I just find the dynamics to kick in really nice in balanced. My favorite so far has been a .5mtr Empircal audio xlr i used for my balanced analogue connects in the past. Its lets you see really far into the recording with a lot more air. Its a nice xlr and beats everything i have heard so far... bnc included.
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My experience is with flashdrive and the Bryston AES-EBU over the S/Pdif and for $100 the Bryston AES-EBU feels simply transparent, direct. :P
I think the above statement sums up the review in Hi Fi News this month tbh, it's a very positive review, with the reviewer agreeing that network streamed audio can prove dispapointing in his experience and applauds the use of USB storage devices to achieve the best sound quality possible, good news so far, but then condradicts himself in his summary by stating that the BDP/BDA combo is capable of making fine music but represents an expensive way to achieve this level especially as it doesn't offer streaming or have internal storage that some competing products offer :duh:
As a side note, he also states that he preffered the audio from a flash drive over the HDD and that he compared 2 different S/Pdif cables and 2 different AES-EBU cables and preffered the Naim S/Pdif connection which is what I'm starting to find, the S/Pdif connection seems to give a livelier presentation which can be more engaging.
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I have to admit I quite like having the different presentations offered by both the S/Pdif and AES connections, I find for up tempo music the S/Pdif really works but for vocal and laid back tracks I prefer the AES, also if I have a bright recording, switching over to the AES can really smooth out the top end and make it far more listenable.
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I have to admit I quite like having the different presentations offered by both the S/Pdif and AES connections, I find for up tempo music the S/Pdif really works but for vocal and laid back tracks I prefer the AES, also if I have a bright recording, switching over to the AES can really smooth out the top end and make it far more listenable.
I am opposite, i find the SPDIF to ease the bright recordings. This could be more cable related then actual BNC bdp1 characteristics. I have yet to hear a 192khz recording that is bright on bnc or xlr.
I find the digital connect to be dependant on the power cables employed too. Some power cables just enhance the high freq energy and i just end up using a digital cable to compensate to my own taste.
My power cables atm are a Wywire juice 2 on the bdp1 :thumb: and a Harmonix x-dc2 on the BDA, thats another big :thumb:. These cables are permanent and i use the digital connects to tweak.
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...using Mpod with my iphone4 is just great :thumb:. and it shows the kbps/khz of the current played song, too!!!
al
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How do you see kbps/ khz on the ipod with mpod?
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How do you see kbps/ khz on the ipod with mpod?
In the top corner where you see the album - touch that and the album cover opens - then touch the album.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=44086)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=44087)
james
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Thanks james, I thought he referred to the mpad.
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Thanks james, I thought he referred to the mpad.
Yes it is confusing. IPOD is for MAC iTouch iPhone and iPad. IPOD is just for iPad.
James
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Yes it is confusing. IPOD is for MAC iTouch iPhone and iPad. IPOD is just for iPad.
Huh? MPoD for iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad and MPaD just for iPad?
Steve
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Huh? MPoD for iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad and MPaD just for iPad?
Steve
Hi Steve,
Thats how I understand it - can you load these apps on other than MAC products?
james
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Hi Steve,
Thats how I understand it - can you load these apps on other than MAC products?
james
You run the mPod on either but if you have an iPad you will want mPad since it is formatted differently for the larger screen. Both are great apps though.
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From: Håkon Gjerde
Sent: March-13-11 11:07 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Software update BPD 1
James
I have the wonderful BDP/BDA - 1 combo. Yes the BDP plays even better with the BDA than my dCS Paganini DAC :-)
Both is purchased at LYRIC HiFi - Oslo, Norway
NB: also very pleased with my 28B SST^2 Monoblocks, any upgrade suggestion for those ?? I use WW gold electra power cables wich increase dynamics and bass resolution :-)
Best regards,
Håkon Gjerde
NORWAY
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I have my unit on order. I was informed initially that the BDP-1 was in stock by distributor, PMC. Unfortunately it isn't.
The next batch of units should be with PMC by 26th March. And with me shortly after. So I shall have to continue being patient till then. It isn't easy!
Kyri
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I have my unit on order. I was informed initially that the BDP-1 was in stock by distributor, PMC. Unfortunately it isn't.
The next batch of units should be with PMC by 26th March. And with me shortly after. So I shall have to continue being patient till then. It isn't easy!
Kyri
Hey Kyri,
As frustrating as the wait is, I know as I had the same issue before getting mine, PMC told me it was in stock but I had to wait a month or so, believe me when I say you won't be disapointed, the BDP-1 is one of those very special pieces of HiFi equipment.
If you are in the London area you maybe interested to know that Zinc HT in Borehamwood are holding a PMC/Bryston day next Saturday 26th showcasing the BDP-1 and PMC's PB1i Signatures :)
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Hey Kyri,
As frustrating as the wait is, I know as I had the same issue before getting mine, PMC told me it was in stock but I had to wait a month or so, believe me when I say you won't be disapointed, the BDP-1 is one of those very special pieces of HiFi equipment.
If you are in the London area you maybe interested to know that Zinc HT in Borehamwood are holding a PMC/Bryston day next Saturday 26th showcasing the BDP-1 and PMC's PB1i Signatures :)
Hi Vipers,
I will be really interested in your feedback on the demo. Please say HI :thumb: to the folks at PMC for me.
james
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Thanks for that, Vipers.
Unfortunately I can't make 26th. And I'm only 15 mins away from them.
Yes, I'm sure once it is here I'll come over all School boy. And therein lies my problem - I'm going round in circles! God I'm eager to get it!
I'm a patient boy, mind. So a little longer won't break me.
Kyri
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Hi Vipers,
I will be really interested in your feedback on the demo. Please say HI :thumb: to the folks at PMC for me.
james
Hi James,
Consider it done, I think Tom Barron is running the day, I'll post feedback after the event :)
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Thanks for that, Vipers.
Unfortunately I can't make 26th. And I'm only 15 mins away from them.
Yes, I'm sure once it is here I'll come over all School boy. And therein lies my problem - I'm going round in circles! God I'm eager to get it!
I'm a patient boy, mind. So a little longer won't break me.
Kyri
Hey Kyri, That's a shame you can't make it to Zinc, hopefully though you'll have your own BDP-1 by then :)
Have you ever visited the Bryston Owners thread on AVForums, be good if you wanted to post some feedback on your BDP-1 :thumb:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/audio-processors-power-amps/1205531-bryston-owners-thread-44.html
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Thanks for that, Vipers.
Unfortunately I can't make 26th. And I'm only 15 mins away from them.
Yes, I'm sure once it is here I'll come over all School boy. And therein lies my problem - I'm going round in circles! God I'm eager to get it!
I'm a patient boy, mind. So a little longer won't break me.
Kyri
Kyri,
I don't know if this helps but I had to wait 7 weeks for my BDP and BDA pair (I wanted blue LEDs...) well mine arrived yesterday and I have been playing it ever sonce, and I have to say they are the best bits of hifi I have ever bought. The BDP has killed the CD for me, having my entire music collection on tap, in amazing quality, has exceeded all my expectations.
So it is going to be worth the wait...
PS Mpod on the iPod Touch is excellent
Cheers
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Hey Kyri, That's a shame you can't make it to Zinc, hopefully though you'll have your own BDP-1 by then :)
Have you ever visited the Bryston Owners thread on AVForums, be good if you wanted to post some feedback on your BDP-1 :thumb:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/audio-processors-power-amps/1205531-bryston-owners-thread-44.html
I was just going to say the same thing Vipers....
:lol:
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Hi James,
Consider it done, I think Tom Barron is running the day, I'll post feedback after the event :)
Tom's a great guy - been at a few drunken back yard parties with Tom :thumb:
james
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Tom's a great guy - been at a few drunken back yard parties with Tom :thumb:
james
I spoke to Tom at The Bristol Show. In fact, I spent a great deal of time with him. Talking to him about PMC and the BDP1 - I cheekily interrupted him, whilst he was talking to a couple of potential customers - and added some marketing info he had, inadvertently, left out!
He did ask me to let him know my thoughts, once I'd had a good listen to my unit.
Vipers, thank you. I will keep it mind. Spreading the word is always nice. Not in a narcissistic manner, of course.
Kyri
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If you are in the London area you maybe interested to know that Zinc HT in Borehamwood are holding a PMC/Bryston day next Saturday 26th showcasing the BDP-1 and PMC's PB1i Signatures :)
Many others going next Saturday?
I may make it, work permitting.
Odd looking shop? Mix of high end hi-fi & fridege freezers
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I will be going.
Hopefully see you there.
Cheers
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Many others going next Saturday?
I may make it, work permitting.
Odd looking shop? Mix of high end hi-fi & fridege freezers
I'm hoping to get there around midday, be good to meet up.
I was over there yesterday for a Linn open day, not many people there tbh, so it would be good to have a nice turnout for Bryston/PMC :)
Zinc is definately an interesting concept but after speaking to them for the last couple of weekends one thing is clear, it's high end audio where their heart is.
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I had this response from Logitech:
"A request for the codes to be published have been made. However, this process may take up to a week. In the meantime, if there are people you know that really needs these commands, you can tell them to refer to this incident number (110121-004793) and we can add the codes to the other customer's account."
Regards
Russell
Has anyone got the BDP working with a Logitech harmony? I quoted the above incident number to Logitech and they put the device in my profile no problem. Just tried it and none of the commands work. Are codes common North America to European? As I have no BR2 I cannot get the logitech to learn the commands, or check that the IR is working correctly on the BDP, although I am sure it must be.
I also added the BDA at the same time and that works fine...
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Hi Alpha10
I have been trying to get the logitech remote to work with the BDA. No success. Under the media PC selection there is no bryston option there. How did you get it loaded?
TIA
VK
Has anyone got the BDP working with a Logitech harmony? I quoted the above incident number to Logitech and they put the device in my profile no problem. Just tried it and none of the commands work. Are codes common North America to European? As I have no BR2 I cannot get the logitech to learn the commands, or check that the IR is working correctly on the BDP, although I am sure it must be.
I also added the BDA at the same time and that works fine...
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Hi Alpha10
I have been trying to get the logitech remote to work with the BDA. No success. Under the media PC selection there is no bryston option there. How did you get it loaded?
TIA
VK
Did you mean the BDP? (the BDA is in the database under CD players I think it was). If you need the BDP adding then send them an email asking to have it added to your profile quoting this incident number (110121-004793). It was there the following day, but unfortunately for me the commands do not work. So it would be great if someone else could have a go?
Cheers
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BDA. Thanks for the heads up. Got the commands loaded for the BDA (under Amplifier) now I am able to control power, source and even upsampling toggle-finally!! :D For the BDP its a no go. The funny thing is the power toggle for the BDA powers on/off the BDP simultaneously.
VK
Did you mean the BDP? (the BDA is in the database under CD players I think it was). If you need the BDP adding then send them an email asking to have it added to your profile quoting this incident number (110121-004793). It was there the following day, but unfortunately for me the commands do not work. So it would be great if someone else could have a go?
Cheers
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Has anyone got the BDP working with a Logitech harmony? I quoted the above incident number to Logitech and they put the device in my profile no problem. Just tried it and none of the commands work. Are codes common North America to European? As I have no BR2 I cannot get the logitech to learn the commands, or check that the IR is working correctly on the BDP, although I am sure it must be.
I also added the BDA at the same time and that works fine...
Maybe worth trying this way... DL this file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7095891/BDP-1%20IR%20Codes%20%281%29.zip and send to Logitech asking them to add to your profile.
I should also say that this has been working for my BDP-1 and Harmony 885 since early Feb.
Regards
Russell
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Maybe worth trying this way... DL this file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7095891/BDP-1%20IR%20Codes%20%281%29.zip and send to Logitech asking them to add to your profile.
I should also say that this has been working for my BDP-1 and Harmony 885 since early Feb.
Regards
Russell
That is brilliant, thank you, I will send it over to them.
Cheers
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If you are interested the HEX codes for the BDA are :
Opto 1 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Opto 2 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 1 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 2 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 3 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 4 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
AES/EBU 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
USB 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
BDP on/off 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
and for they BDP are:
Play 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Pause 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Stop 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Skip Forward 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Skip Reverse 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Up 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Down 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Right 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Left 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
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I managed to control the BDA1 :D.
for the BDP-1 but I did not understand how they fit these codes. :duh:
Can you help me? thanks
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I managed to control the BDA1 :D.
for the BDP-1 but I did not understand how they fit these codes. :duh:
Can you help me? thanks
If you are using a Logitech Harmony, just send them a support email, copying the codes above and ask them to be added to your BDP-1 device if you have created one, if not ask them to create the device at the same time. This is normally done in a day.
Cheers
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Thanks, I sent the e-mail, hopefully good
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I need some advice re which USB hard drive to use with the BDP-1. I need one that uses a USB-B connector, and one that is USB powered. I've no luck in finding such a thing. Any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks.
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Anything up to 500GBytes is usually self powered nowadays
When you look at the box for contents, make sure it doesn't include mains leads or external power supplies.
Quite a few have already been mentiond in this sub group. Just search or use Google like everybody else.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=self+powered+usb+drive&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&rlz= (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=self+powered+usb+drive&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&rlz=)
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I need some advice re which USB hard drive to use with the BDP-1. I need one that uses a USB-B connector, and one that is USB powered. I've no luck in finding such a thing. Any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks.
Highly recommend the SEAGATE 2.5 HHD USB selfpowered drives. Have used up to the 750G version without issues. I recommend using say 2-500GB drives over a single 1TB drive.
james
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James,
I have a quick question for you. I’m trying to figure out what type of hard drive to use with the Bryston BDP-1. Is it better to have a USB powered drive or one that is plugged into an outlet? On the one hand, the wall plug in type would draw no power from the Bryston and would have all the power it needs (I suspect the USB output on the Bryston may be pushed a bit if asked to power a hard drive). On the other hand, I’ve heard some people say that the AC transformers used in hard drives can introduce interference, etc. to the music. What’s your view?
BTW, I tested the BDP/BDA combo this weekend against my Classe CDP202. The Bryston was louder, so I need to turn it down when I switched back and forth. However, the Bryston combo had a much wider sound stage. The Classe sound almost restrained compared to the Bryston.
I’ll be ordering a set.
Michael S. Hart
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Hi James
Needless to say, I hang out with guys who can afford the toys.
This past weekend, we hooked up a Krell, Simaudio & Audio Research CD Player`s to my system but not thru BDA-1 and compared apples to oranges to BDP-1.
BDP-1 not only performed better but stomped on two of the CD Players - some feedback for you - BDP-1 is an amazing product.
Rodney
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James,
I picked up my BDP-1 yesterday, and rushed home anxious to get it up & running.
Sat comfortably I queued up a track I know well. 30 seconds in I burst into spontaneous laughter. I simply could not believe what I was hearing!
The detail resolution, timing, soundstage, dynamics and sheer musicality are breathtaking. It sounds AMAZING.
It is so far ahead of even my high expectations, that it is very difficult to put together words that will do the Bdp-1 justice........
It does not sound digital. In fact, to me it sounds like the greatest turntable I've ever heard. There is a smoothness, warmth and control that is intoxicating. Stunning! I've not felt this emotional since I was touched for the first time in my happy area.
I absolutely love love love it.
Huge respect to you and Bryston, James. And thank you so very much for producing such a beautiful product.
Kyri
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James,
I picked up my BDP-1 yesterday, and rushed home anxious to get it up & running.
Sat comfortably I queued up a track I know well. 30 seconds in I burst into spontaneous laughter. I simply could not believe what I was hearing!
The detail resolution, timing, soundstage, dynamics and sheer musicality are breathtaking. It sounds AMAZING.
It is so far ahead of even my high expectations, that it is very difficult to put together words that will do the Bdp-1 justice........
It does not sound digital. In fact, to me it sounds like the greatest turntable I've ever heard. There is a smoothness, warmth and control that is intoxicating. Stunning! I've not felt this emotional since I was touched for the first time in my happy area.
I absolutely love love love it.
Huge respect to you and Bryston, James. And thank you so very much for producing such a beautiful product.
Kyri
WOW - what can I say - THANKS :thumb:
james
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James,
You are very welcome. I'm presently at work and frustrated that I'm not in its company right now.
My friend made time last night to be my listening partner. He was as stunned as I.
It has certainly focused his attention with regard to his future music listening.
He left just before midnight. I carried on past 1am!
I'm still in a bit of a shocked state. And I'm not going to complain about that.
Kyri
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There is a smoothness, warmth and control that is intoxicating. Stunning! I've not felt this emotional since I was touched for the first time in my happy area.
I absolutely love love love it.
Kyri
That has got to be the HiFi quote of the century, If the BDP-1 was a film that would have to be put on the advertising posters, fantastic :lol: :lol:
Welcome to the BDP-1 club Kyri :thumb:
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Hello guys, I solved it with logitech now control both the BDA that bdp1 smoothly, logitech a great service excellent assistance :thumb:
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Hello guys, I solved it with logitech now control both the BDA that bdp1 smoothly, logitech a great service excellent assistance :thumb:
Me to, I forgot to say, logitech support has been fantastic again. I can now skip and navigate the BDP with my Harmony, fabulous :)
Cheers
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That has got to be the HiFi quote of the century, If the BDP-1 was a film that would have to be put on the advertising posters, fantastic :lol: :lol:
Welcome to the BDP-1 club Kyri :thumb:
Vipers,
It isn't exactly 'Hi-Fi Choice' journalism, but thanks very much!
Kyri
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After receiving Bryston DAC last week, I just got a real good chance to sit down and seriously listened (and am listening) to the BDP-1 & BDA-1 combo.
I think I can hear most of the details, timbre, and all the musicality and excitement that come with very good vinyl playback. Now I don't regret that my wife has prohibited me from investing in the analogue system and vinyl records when I re-started this hobby 7 years ago.
Thanks to her and Bryston (BDP-1) for saving me lots of of money (and space)! :thumb:
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Hi James:
I’ve liked my BDP-1 from day one, as I reported to you after being one of the first to receive a unit. But I was having problems, especially because I stubbornly wanted to use a large hard drive and be able to control it seamlessly. Slow to load. Some defective tracks. Music client not that easy to use and elegant. I wasn’t able to put all this together until yesterday.
First, the new firmware upgrade makes the unit 100% more usable for customers like me who have large databases (15,723 flac files). No more long waits to load. Takes less time than booting up my computer.
Second, I re-converted my WMA lossless database again to flac files at compression level 4, and this time set up proper folders. Easier to use, and my lousy ears seem to detect a better sound in terms of stability of the soundstage particularly.
Third, took your advice and bought a 2.5 inch 1.5TB Seagate HD. Better in all respects – quieter, smaller footprint.
Fourth, my iPod Touch with MPod app simply wasn’t working right. Tried everything (including taking a hike to Vancouver to get an exchange), but nothing solved the problem until I bought a new router yesterday.
Now it has all come together. MPod works perfectly, with the added advantage of access to everything else I want while listening to music – e-reader, Internet. I am able to listen to my music, in higher quality, exactly as I want to and with greater convenience than I had with my former digital player (Roku M2000).
Thanks for your help and for the BDP-1 which now, for me, is pure magic in a box. :thumb:
David Werthman
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Hi James,
I recently set up the BDP-1 with my BDA-1 and needless to say my system has never sounded better. Having said that, I'm now acutely aware that my little Linn system has reached her ceiling. I'm sure the digital end is now far outpacing the analog side.
Peter de Hoog MAIBC MRAIC
de Hoog and Kierulf architects
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From our Graphics guy:
Hi James,
I should have few pics of BHP1 for you on Monday. One with BP-26 knob and one with olderstyle BP-25 knob black and silver.
Also, can you quote me a price on the BDP1 19 silver 120v. I had the prototype for a week and now I can't listen to music now unless it is being played through the BDP1, feel like I'm missing 1/2 the music now!.................thanks a lot bryston! lol.
Garry
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From our Graphics guy:
Hi James,
I should have few pics of BHP1 for you on Monday. One with BP-26 knob and one with olderstyle BP-25 knob black and silver.
Also, can you quote me a price on the BDP1 19 silver 120v. I had the prototype for a week and now I can't listen to music now unless it is being played through the BDP1, feel like I'm missing 1/2 the music now!.................thanks a lot bryston! lol.
Garry
Have I missed something, what is the BHP1??
Cheers
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Have I missed something, what is the BHP1??
Cheers
Hi,
The new Bryston Headphone Preamp BHP-1
james
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Hi,
The new Bryston Headphone Preamp BHP-1
james
Thank you, I was just getting my hopes up that it was the drive enclosure for the BDP1, but couldn't see why you would want a volume control... :oops:
Then thought, maybe it is a nice simple Bryston Hometheatre/bypass Preamp :xmas:
Cheers
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Hi,
The new Bryston Headphone Preamp BHP-1
james
James,
Do you mean BHA-1 (Amp not Pre-amp)?
Tony
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James,
Do you mean BHA-1 (Amp not Pre-amp)?
Tony
Not sure what we are going to call it yet - it is really more a preamp than an amp but either would work I guess? :scratch:
james
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Not sure what we are going to call it yet - it is really more a preamp than an amp but either would work I guess? :scratch:
james
James,
OK -- My thinking is that preamp describes it if it also has a variable RCA output to feed an amplifier otherwise it is an headphone amp.
Tony
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Since most headphone amps are called headphone amps, probably best not to confuse the marketplace :) ..
i.e. the BDP probably should have been called the BDT for transport.
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From: Ken Couvillion
Sent: April-17-11 3:49 PM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: BDP-1 Latest Firmware Update Request
Hi James,
Thanks for the firmware update/info and GNOME literature. I updated the BDP-1 and installed GNOME. Both very nice! The BDP-1's playback is more snappy now and switching between USB music files/Internet sources (i.e. internet radio station streams - see my comment below) is extremely responsive even on a wireless network.
In addition, I was blown away to find out about the internet radio stations via the updated Bryston Max interface...I was lead to believe that the BDP-1 did not have capability to accept streamed music via the Ethernet port. It would be a good idea to include this capability in the literature and advertise it (i.e. get that point out there) as it is a great selling feature to an already fantastic product!
***THANKS BRYSTON for the BDP-1!!!
I can't wait to expand my music digital collection now!
Regards,
Ken
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James,
i have several playlists created. if i choose 'add all' the player doesn't plays them...
am i doing something wrong :scratch:
al.
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James,
i have several playlists created. if i choose 'add all' the player doesn't plays them...
am i doing something wrong :scratch:
al.
Hi Al,
With Playlists you have to add them one at at time.
james
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...do you mean I have to add them piece by piece? i just tried to add only one playlist and the player doesn't do anything at all! it shows 'loading'...but after 10 minutes NO playlist :o i am using the BrystonMax interface.
al.
How many songs in the list?
james
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...depending on the file. what is the maximum of songs the BrystonMax can handle?
oh god, please don't tell me that I have to load each and every file separately :cry:
al.
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Alex,
If you select a bunch of tracks, then select ´save playlist`, does that not work?
Kyri
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Saveloy,
...no, it doesn't really work somehow. don't know why. the BrystonMax is not made for "tons" of music, i guess?!
just tried Minion- and it works!
al.
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Alex,
Strange. If I tap ´save plasylist` it brings up a box and I can simply name the Playlist.
Kyri
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...ok. i should be more precise :green:. it works for some lists but not for every folder/file that is stored on my hdd by using BrystonMax. the Minion does it! can't explain why...strange it is!
al.
Hi Al,
Yes the Bryston Mini and Max are web based interfaces so they are slower and will not load any more than about 500 songs at a time. Minion is a dedicated APP as is MPOD and MPAD and GNOME so they are much quicker and will load huge playlists.
james
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Well I finally picked up my BDP1 and BBA1 on the weekend. Sounds fantastic. :thumb: The learning curve to get my spare Aztech WiFi to work In any way and form is a different story though,Have given it the boot for now and have a cable running across the room. And I am not sure what I will use as a controller for now. :scratch: As I find my 13 inch laptop a bit bulky for use siting in the lounge and the Android App lacking info and options for looking up songs. The 7 inch screen size feels better in the hand though.
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Well I finally picked up my BDP1 and BBA1 on the weekend. Sounds fantastic. :thumb: The learning curve to get my spare Aztech WiFi to work In any way and form is a different story though. I am not sure what I will use as a controller at the moment. :scratch: I find my 13 inch laptop a bit bulky for use siting in the lounge and the Android App lacking info and options for looking up songs. The 7 inch screen size feels better in the hand though.
Hi AGP,
What app did you use with android?
Also I find the iTouch running MPOD if you want a small ineterface works really well.
james
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Hi James I have tried mpdroid,It is a bit buggy though. And the radio fails to list the stations.
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Hi James I have tried mpdroid,It is a bit buggy though. And the radio fails to list the stations.
Yes that is the one I use as well - it works OK on the Galaxy Tablet.
james
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From: Ed B
Sent: April 28, 2011 11:50 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: BPA-1 Comments
Gentlemen,
I am currently too engrossed in listening-to/burning-in the new BPA-1 to comment in depth, but in general; the sound from the MacMini linked to the BDA-1 with a Wavelength 192/24 box is excellent… but the sound from the BDP-1 connected to the BDA-1 with the Orchid interconnect is significantly better.
The BDP-1/BDA-1 combination in my system is producing the best digital sound I have ever heard. The sense of presence and realism is truly awesome. I have had little sleep since the BDP-1 arrived; I was up all night listening and am just now going to bed at 8:30 AM in the morning.
In summary, I am ecstatic with the BDP-1; holographic sound from Bryston.
Congratulations on the BDP-1,
Ed B
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If you are interested the HEX codes for the BDA are :
Opto 1 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Opto 2 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 1 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 2 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 3 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
SPDIF 4 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
AES/EBU 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
USB 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
BDP on/off 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
and for they BDP are:
Play 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Pause 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Stop 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Skip Forward 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Skip Reverse 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Up 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Down 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Right 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Menu Left 0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298
Any On/Off codes for the BDP? Seems like my logitech remote randomly turns on the BDP when I turn on the BDA.
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Hi skunark
Give Mike Pickett an email on that one.
James
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Hi James,
Not sure if you are aware but this months 'What Hi-Fi' was released today in the UK with a review of the BDP-1/BDA-1, apparently according to the front of the mag it is 'The worlds N01 home entertainment magazine' although many of it's comment are frowned upon over here there is no denying that it is the magazine that is read by the masses and carries some real clout, here's the low-down.
Basically it is a review of both the BDP-1 and BDA-1, both getting 4 out of 5 stars, so not too bad at all.
Comments on the BDP-1
For - Impressive file compatibility, easy to use, solid build.
Against - No Streaming, no DAC, no storage :duh:
Verdict - Limited features aside the BDP-1 is one of the few true hi-fi media players
Here's a snippet from the article :-
The Bryston media player and Dac serve up spell-binding finesse, a lightness of touch, that once heard is hard to do without - and dynamics are unstoppable when the music demands.
Comments on the BDA-1 :-
For - even handed sound with plenty of insight, impressive range of inputs.
Against - Some rivals are even more engaging
Verdict - A fine unit. It appeals as much for its inputs and build as it does for its great sound.
All very positive stuff, should help more Brits become aware of the greatness of the BDP/BDA combo :)
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Hi James,
Not sure if you are aware but this months 'What Hi-Fi' was released today in the UK with a review of the BDP-1/BDA-1, apparently according to the front of the mag it is 'The worlds N01 home entertainment magazine' although many of it's comment are frowned upon over here there is no denying that it is the magazine that is read by the masses and carries some real clout, here's the low-down.
Basically it is a review of both the BDP-1 and BDA-1, both getting 4 out of 5 stars, so not too bad at all.
Comments on the BDP-1
For - Impressive file compatibility, easy to use, solid build.
Against - No Streaming, no DAC, no storage :duh:
Verdict - Limited features aside the BDP-1 is one of the few true hi-fi media players
Here's a snippet from the article :-
The Bryston media player and Dac serve up spell-binding finesse, a lightness of touch, that once heard is hard to do without - and dynamics are unstoppable when the music demands.
Comments on the BDA-1 :-
For - even handed sound with plenty of insight, impressive range of inputs.
Against - Some rivals are even more engaging
Verdict - A fine unit. It appeals as much for its inputs and build as it does for its great sound.
All very positive stuff, should help more Brits become aware of the greatness of the BDP/BDA combo :)
Thanks Vipers - I was not aware of this particular review. It is great that they recognize the sound quality as the other additional features can be added going forward.
james
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Thanks Vipers - I was not aware of this particular review. It is great that they recognize the sound quality as the other additional features can be added going forward.
james
Interesting comments James, if I read between the lines could it be that Bryston are thinking along the lines of an all in one unit like the Naim HDX :)
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Interesting comments James, if I read between the lines could it be that Bryston are thinking along the lines of an all in one unit like the Naim HDX :)
I still don’t see what all the obsession with streaming is, if you have ALL your music attached to the player (ideally either with a cosmetically matched drive unit or internally) what else is there to stream for most people? I agree internet radio is a useful value-add, but we are getting there with the BDP on that front.
It has to be the sound quality first that counts, not features and keeping up with the Joneses; it is dedication to that philosophy that I admire in Bryston, long may it continue!
Cheers
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Interesting comments James, if I read between the lines could it be that Bryston are thinking along the lines of an all in one unit like the Naim HDX :)
Hi Vipers,
No I just meant some of the improvements we have made in software helps expand the appeal of the BDP-1. Honestly we tried the 'all in one approach' initially and although it worked OK we felt we could achieve better performance with more specialization in function.
james
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I still don’t see what all the obsession with streaming is, if you have ALL your music attached to the player (ideally either with a cosmetically matched drive unit or internally) what else is there to stream for most people?
It has to be the sound quality first that counts, not features and keeping up with the Joneses; it is dedication to that philosophy that I admire in Bryston, long may it continue!
Cheers
Couldn't agree more Alpha, as you know I'm about to start in retail where I'll be selling Linn and Naim streamers alongside the BDP-1 and I'm going to find it hard to recommend anything other than the BDP-1, for one it sounds amazing and although Linn will say otherwise, I can't see how streaming won't have a detrimental effect in some way in overall sound quality, no matter how small, so surely having everything stored locally has got to be the way forward.
I'd still like a dedicated Bryston HDD enclosure James :)
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Hi Vipers,
No I just meant some of the improvements we have made in software helps expand the appeal of the BDP-1. Honestly we tried the 'all in one approach' initially and although it worked OK we felt we could achieve better performance with more specialization in function.
james
I was only pulling your chain James :)
What I love about Bryston is you don't bring out many devices that do the same thing as Linn with their streamers, and Naim with all their differnet upgrade paths with power supplies etc, although you have to say that is great marketing, you research what products are needed, maximise sound and build quality and release one product, as in the BCD-1, in my book that has to be applauded, I'm just glad I discovered Bryston.
OK that's enough Bryston lovin' for today :D
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Alpha,
I very much agree. If all my music is readily available, my only interest would be getting the best sound quality. I think the BDP-1 definitely has a place in the audiophile market.
I still don’t see what all the obsession with streaming is, if you have ALL your music attached to the player (ideally either with a cosmetically matched drive unit or internally) what else is there to stream for most people? I agree internet radio is a useful value-add, but we are getting there with the BDP on that front.
It has to be the sound quality first that counts, not features and keeping up with the Joneses; it is dedication to that philosophy that I admire in Bryston, long may it continue!
Cheers
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I still don’t see what all the obsession with streaming is, if you have ALL your music attached to the player what else is there to stream for most people?
It has to be the sound quality first that counts, not features and keeping up with the Joneses
I understand the views here but the way I see it is there are lots of people who will have already embraced the use use of streaming and archiving of collections may have already invested heavily in good quality storage solutions rather than having to have data storage directly coupled to the players.
I was rather disappointed when I first heard about this unit that it was designed with USB drives in mind. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the amount of research done in to how the BDP-1 should operate and that quality is of importance.
Personally I invested in a Qnap TS410 with 6TB of storage for the intention of streaming media - currently via my fab little Sonos for music and a Popcorn Hour for DVD and Bluray. The reason for such a storage solution was because of the amount of data I have and being able to keep it safe with the use of RAID.
Now something like this isn't exactly cheap but certainly almost useless if I were to buy the Bryston.
Vipers - it would be nice to get a little report from you with an A/B/C dem with the likes of the Bryston, Linn and Naim systems side by side at your disposal :thumb:
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Vipers - it would be nice to get a little report from you with an A/B/C dem with the likes of the Bryston, Linn and Naim systems side by side at your disposal :thumb:
Consider it done FatherVic, although I don't start for a couple of weeks, I can't wait to get stuck in and compare Naim and Linn's solutions to playing back Flac and Hi Res files against the BDP-1. I'm especially looking forward to sitting down with the Linn Klimax DS to see how they can justify £13,000 for a streamer :o
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Consider it done FatherVic, although I don't start for a couple of weeks, I can't wait to get stuck in and compare Naim and Linn's solutions to playing back Flac and Hi Res files against the BDP-1. I'm especially looking forward to sitting down with the Linn Klimax DS to see how they can justify £13,000 for a streamer :o
Just a word caution Vipers - now that your 'officially' selling the gear you may have to temper your comments or risk being ex-communicated :lol:
james
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Consider it done FatherVic, although I don't start for a couple of weeks, I can't wait to get stuck in and compare Naim and Linn's solutions to playing back Flac and Hi Res files against the BDP-1. I'm especially looking forward to sitting down with the Linn Klimax DS to see how they can justify £13,000 for a streamer :o
Hey Vipers,
Is this new dealer you'll be working for have a "metalic" sound to it?
Do we get a discount on the Bryston disk drive (hint!)
Terry
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I was browsing the June issue of What Hi Fi? mag and discovered that it has a review of the BDP-1 and BDA-1.
They both receive 4 star reviews, the BDP-1's plus points being its compatibility with many file types, 24/192 playback,
ease of use and solid build. Negative points are no streaming, no DAC and no storage.
The BDA-1's pluses are even handed sound with plenty of insight and impressive number of inputs, the only negative being
that some rivals are more engaging.
I use a BDA-1 and have auditioned, briefly, the BDP-1. As a long time user of the Squeezebox system I am currently using
the Touch with all Soundcheck's software modifications installed, streaming FLAC music files from a Unix server. I considered
that the difference in sound between the Bryston and the Touch was very small. That coupled with the inconvenience (to me)
of not being able to stream to the BDP-1 has pursuaded me to stay with the Squeezebox system. However I hope to have
an extended listen to the BDP-1 in the near future, and maybe it will change my mind. However at £2350 as opposed to
around £500 (including a Teddy Pardo linear power supply) it will have to be very much better to pursuade me to change.
Afblaster
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I'm especially looking forward to sitting down with the Linn Klimax DS to see how they can justify £13,000 for a streamer :o
Whilst at my last store, we ran an event to promote the move to streaming. As a flagship dem we used the Klimax along with a pair of the aktiv 350s.
When I visited the factory I also got to listen to the Klimax through their Komris and a bank of 8 Solos bolted to the wall... It was good but never really achieved the sound I liked. And there wasn't a chance to compare any other sources other than an LP12.
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Just a word caution Vipers - now that your 'officially' selling the gear you may have to temper your comments or risk being ex-communicated :lol:
james
I'll be on my best behaviour James :wink:
I promise not to swear too much either with four letter words like Naim and Linn on here :)
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Hey Vipers,
Is this new dealer you'll be working for have a "metalic" sound to it?
Do we get a discount on the Bryston disk drive (hint!)
Terry
Hey Terry,
You've hit the proverbial nail the the head there.
I'm sure something could be sorted regarding the disk drive unit, especially if you buy the headphone amp at the same time :)
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...as you know I'm about to start in retail where I'll be selling Linn and Naim streamers alongside the BDP-1 and I'm going to find it hard to recommend anything other than the BDP-1, for one it sounds amazing and although Linn will say otherwise, ..
I'd still like a dedicated Bryston HDD enclosure James :)
Vipers, doesn't your new frm sell Meridian too. I saw one there set up in front of a TV.
Their interface (Sooloos) looks quite comprehensive.
I'd be interested to see how Meridian compares with Linn, Naim & Bryston.
Is Meridian all fur coat and no knickers?
The big "advantage" of Naim is their "upgrade" path which leaves their customers always believing that "better" sound is just a "upgrade" away.
Sarcasm intended.
Terry
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Vipers, doesn't your new frm sell Meridian too. I saw one there set up in front of a TV.
Their interface (Sooloos) looks quite comprehensive.
I'd be interested to see how Meridian compares with Linn, Naim & Bryston.
Is Meridian all fur coat and no knickers?
The big "advantage" of Naim is their "upgrade" path which leaves their customers always believing that "better" sound is just a "upgrade" away.
Sarcasm intended.
Terry
Hi Terry,
Yes, you're right, the Sooloos is also something I can play with, Looks like I'm going to be busy :)
I'm not sure if it was by design or accident that Naim have ended up with such a comprehensive upgrade path, great marketing on their part though you have to say.
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The stereophile review of the Sooloos quite liked the interface (it looks like complication and functionality gone OTT as far as I'm concerned because the programmers were clever database programmers) but they were quite damning regarding the Sooloos DAC. Which was bad for a device costing > £5,000.
But since then, Sooloos have been bought out by Meridian so maybe they've improved the DACs?
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The stereophile review of the Sooloos quite liked the interface (it looks like complication and functionality gone OTT as far as I'm concerned because the programmers were clever database programmers) but they were quite damning regarding the Sooloos DAC. Which was bad for a device costing > £5,000.
But since then, Sooloos have been bought out by Meridian so maybe they've improved the DACs?
Funny you should say that but I've just been reading a review in this months Hi Fi news of the Sooloos Control 15, it liked the user interface obviously but wasn't to polite regarding 16bit Flac playback audio quality and also mentioned that there was no external USB connection so the only way to add 24bit files was over the network which was a pain to setup and then wouldn't transfer 24/96 files atall, sounds bit of a mess tbh.
When reading all these reviews I keep comparing them to the BDP-1, why would you want anything else? it's like the Naim NDX or the HDX, it doesn't stream anything over 24/96, surely that is not what you call future proof, if you're going to bother with streaming surely you need to support 24/192, I guess I'm preaching to the converted on here though :)
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Vipers,
If you are where I think you are, then I'll have to pop in and see you.
I've been meaning to go and take a look round, the store is actually my closest Bryston dealership
Kyri
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Vipers,
If you are where I think you are, then I'll have to pop in and see you.
I've been meaning to go and take a look round, the store is actually my closest Bryston dealership
Kyri
Hi Kyri,
Excellent, feel free to pop in anytime, I'm starting at the beginning of June, we'll have to do a Bryston, Naim, Linn, Sooloos shootout :)
The manager is a massive Naim man and reckons I'm only into Bryston as I haven't discovered Naim yet :roll: so I'd love to get loads of fellow Bryston guys in to show him that Bryston rules the roost, not Naim :thumb:
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hey, Vipers...
this shootout must be fun! enjoy :green: and tell us who was the winner :thumb:
al.
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Vipers,
I have 3 weeks holiday in June. So I will pop down then.
I'll try not to get too excited when walking through the white goods department!
I do like Naim products. At the end of the day they are lovely sounding products. But I've never been sold on it, or the way they do things.
When I last visited a Bryston dealer in town, the Naim DAC was sitting beside the BDA-1. The nice chap said as good as the Naim is, the Bryston was the best reason not to buy something from dcs(sitting onanother shelf) - at 5 times the price!
Kyri
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hey, Vipers...
this shootout must be fun! enjoy :green: and tell us who was the winner :thumb:
al.
and if you could do this shoot-out over a weekend and invite some buddies over - might even makes some sales ;-)
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From: Albert P
Sent: May-17-11 9:46 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Streamed radio stations
Hi James.
The BDP-1 player is the best bit of kit I have owned in over 20 years, No more CD players for me. :nono:
If possible could I have a copy of the PDF that describes how to use GNOME as a way to get streamed radio stations from all over the world to play on the BDP-1.
Regards
Albert
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Vipers,
I have 3 weeks holiday in June. So I will pop down then.
I'll try not to get too excited when walking through the white goods department!
Kyri
Excellent, see you then Kyri :thumb:
Luckily the white goods are tucked away round the back of the shop so hopefully the only temptation for you will be the Bryston kit :wink:
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and if you could do this shoot-out over a weekend and invite some buddies over - might even makes some sales ;-)
Sounds like a plan, I'll have a word with the manager and see what I can organise, be good to do a whole day playing, I mean listening and comparing different manufacturers solutions to the whole streaming / HDD playback conundrum.
I'm sure it won't be a problem, I'll post a date in a couple of weeks :thumb:
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Sounds like a plan, I'll have a word with the manager and see what I can organise, be good to do a whole day playing, I mean listening and comparing different manufacturers solutions to the whole streaming / HDD playback conundrum.
I'm sure it won't be a problem, I'll post a date in a couple of weeks :thumb:
Can I get an invite when you do, please :beer:
It would be good to know when they may get a demo SP3, so we could throw that in the mix
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Vipers,
I've been scouring through the Bryston Owners thread this evening, over on AV forums. I've been meaning to, since you mentioned it quite a while ago.
I got to Page 50 and there you were, quoting from this forum.
My BDP-1 initial review, no less!
Clearly it caught me unawares. I am presently trying to ascertain whether beer has a damaging effect on a plasma screen. And cotton, leather and my friend's face.
Kyri
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Can I get an invite when you do, please :beer:
It would be good to know when they may get a demo SP3, so we could throw that in the mix
Certainly Mr Alpha, all will be welcome :)
You can guarantee that I'll be pushing to get the SP3 in as soon as they are available, along with the HDD enclosure and headphone amp :)
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Vipers,
I've been scouring through the Bryston Owners thread this evening, over on AV forums. I've been meaning to, since you mentioned it quite a while ago.
I got to Page 50 and there you were, quoting from this forum.
My BDP-1 initial review, no less!
Clearly it caught me unawares. I am presently trying to ascertain whether beer has a damaging effect on a plasma screen. And cotton, leather and my friend's face.
Kyri
That has to be one of my favourite audio reviews of all time, still makes me smile :D
As long as you didn't spill beer on your BDP-1, I'd be a bit worried that you may start licking it off, and enjoying it a little too much, after the amount of love you showed towards it in your review :lol:
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Vipers,
I'm very glad you liked it. On a more somber note, my internship at The English Literary Guild has been refused.
So my excitable, yet un-amplified views are presently limited to interweb forums and twitter!
I have been known to throw admiring glances at it & even wink at it before bed time. However, I have never to my knowledge touched it inappropriately!
Kyri.
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From: Andrew
Sent: May 20, 2011 2:02 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: BDP-1
Hi James
I recently purchased the BDP-1, serial # 265 from Commercial Electronics – you can thank Dennis Parsonson for the sale; he kept insisting I give the BDP-1 a shot.
So far, I’m very impressed – I’ve connected it to the BDA-1 via AES/EBU and I am hearing new things even from ripped CD’s (using EAC).
Thanks and regards
Andrew
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From: Andrew
Sent: May 20, 2011 2:02 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: BDP-1
Hi James
I recently purchased the BDP-1, serial # 265 from Commercial Electronics – you can thank Dennis Parsonson for the sale; he kept insisting I give the BDP-1 a shot.
So far, I’m very impressed – I’ve connected it to the BDA-1 via AES/EBU and I am hearing new things even from ripped CD’s (using EAC).
Thanks and regards
Andrew
What is EAC?
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What is EAC?
Exact Audio Copy (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/)
Steve
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Exact Audio Copy (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/)
Steve
Thanks Steve. Hadn't heard of it before.
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I used to use that but now, I use dBpower AMP
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I used to use that but now, I use dBpower AMP
Can you convert FLAC to WAV using dBpower amp?
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Can you convert FLAC to WAV using dBpower amp?
Yup, it converts anything to anything
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+1 for dBpoweramp
Great programme
I used to use that but now, I use dBpower AMP
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Yup, it converts anything to anything
That sounds great. Thanks for the tip.
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From: Lars
Sent: June-01-11 7:55 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: PDF of the Stereophile review on the BDP-1
Dear Mr Tanner
Bryston power amplifiers worked reliably when I encountered them in the nineteen seventies, and several of them are still in service; I have been able to convince some of my friends to buy 8B-SSTs and they are all pleased with the sound.
I work in two different towns; hence, there is a Stockholm apartment and a villa in a smaller town (and a summer cottage on a remote island). A given CD is rarely where I need it when I want.
Am prepared to rip my largish CD collection to ensure access in these three homes. Have used dbpoweramp and a high-quality external drive for the purpose with good results.
My professional sound recordist friends use FireWire A/D and DACs (Metric Halo, Weiss, Orpheus, Lynx) which can do a remarkable job once handshaking and clocking issues have been reliably addressed; I have found hi-rez files can sound fantastic, via modified computers and optimized installs of Linux, OS X or even Windows XP w/ Service Pack 3.
But to my ears, consumer-grade computer or music server solutions, so far have not outclassed my top-class disc player or reached the SQ of the best pro-level systems.
Sooloos set-ups owned by acquaintances failed to impress me as regards sound quality. Some but not all Mac-based systems have fared better, provided that installation is optimized and the computer is exclusively used for audio file storage and delivery, by FireWire or dedicated hard-wired local network.
A specialized digital computer with special attention to low jitter as well as minimizing noise and interference makes sense to me. Power supply quality, grounding, electrical shielding etc is very important for digital devices. I am no computer phobe, having used Unix-based computers in my research programs for many years, but my wife absolutely hates Windows and PCs.
This was a long-winded way (sorry) to defend my interest in the BDP-1.
Could you please send me the Stereophile review?
Kind regards
Lars B. Backlund, PhD
Sweden
James
Thank you for forwarding the Sterephile and Inner Ear pdf files. Interesting reading.
Reviews and user experiences are important for music lovers in my situation. Bryston components are, as far as I know, not being actively marketed in Sweden (Norway is not in the European union, but Sweden is). I have had no opportunity to listen to the BDP-1, so listening comments from others are of interest to me.
Mr Atkinson's measurement results look impressive. Nice eye pattern; narrow spike… looks good.
Thirty years as an Ethernet end user have shown me some of the complexities of large and small LANs. My computer experiences started out with trying to write FORTRAN code for an IBM System 360 with 16 KB primary memory (ugh) and using PDP-8 minicomputers in measurement systems. Ethernet and other packet-based standards are hardly ideal for streaming music and video. But in the BDP-1 you already have a data buffer that seems to work well.
Apparently, Linn, Naim and PS Audio designers and consultants have had lots of trouble, to say nothing of the situation for end users grappling with UPnP, server programs, file systems, switches and so on - do you think there is a market for a BDP-1-friendly fanless NAS with server-grade SSDs?
Kind regards
Lars
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Hi skunark
Give Mike Pickett an email on that one.
James
James I've sent two emails and no response with the IR Codes. It's been rather annoying when I turn on the BDA the BDP turns off :) ... Do they really have the same on/off IR Code? If so how do you recommend setting up the BDP/BDA such that the BDP is on all the time?
Jim
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James I've sent two emails and no response with the IR Codes. It's been rather annoying when I turn on the BDA the BDP turns off :) ... Do they really have the same on/off IR Code? If so how do you recommend setting up the BDP/BDA such that the BDP is on all the time?
Jim
Hi Jim
I will discuss with Mike tomorrow.
James
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James I've sent two emails and no response with the IR Codes. It's been rather annoying when I turn on the BDA the BDP turns off :) ... Do they really have the same on/off IR Code? If so how do you recommend setting up the BDP/BDA such that the BDP is on all the time?
Jim
Just leave them both on all the time, why are you turning them off? Just turn em on and forget that they are not off.
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Just leave them both on all the time, why are you turning them off? Just turn em on and forget that they are not off.
Just doing my part in conserving energy. I would prefer to keep both off while not in use, but the BDP boot times and the fact that I rsync files to the player makes it easier to leave on and I can script my computer to auto-sync after I rip a CD or download hi-rez files.
Jim
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From: Neil
Sent: June-02-11 10:53 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1
Hello James,
I am pleased to just recently discover the BDP-1 it is just the type of device I'm looking for. I've tried wireless streaming, but the quality, even with high res files via Logitech Transporter into a good DAC is just not as good as my CD source.
Perhaps next CES we can meet and have a chat about this new addition. But I need one now.
Thank you for considering this request.
Best regards,
Neil
North American Sales Manager
Listen, Inc.
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James I've sent two emails and no response with the IR Codes. It's been rather annoying when I turn on the BDA the BDP turns off :) ... Do they really have the same on/off IR Code? If so how do you recommend setting up the BDP/BDA such that the BDP is on all the time?
Jim
Hi Jim,
Yes the codes are the same - engineering tells me we could modify the BDP-1 receiver to ignore the power code but that would take some rewriting of the software.
james
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Hi Jim,
Yes the codes are the same - engineering tells me we could modify the BDP-1 receiver to ignore the power code but that would take some rewriting of the software.
james
Thanks for the response James. Any reason why that was done? Seems rather odd and inconvenient solution for folks that use a cabinet. Has the RS-232 codes been published?
Would it be possible to add an additional (but different) power IR codes for both the BDA and BDP? Perhaps a power-on and power-off IR codes.
Jim
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Thanks for the response James. Any reason why that was done? Seems rather odd and inconvenient solution for folks that use a cabinet. Has the RS-232 codes been published?
Would it be possible to add an additional (but different) power IR codes for both the BDA and BDP? Perhaps a power-on and power-off IR codes.
Jim
I will ask Mike but I do not think so.
james
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From: thomas English
Sent: June-05-11 11:51 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1
James, I had the firmware update through my dealer Whitby Audio. Everything seems to work well. Is there any functionality missing by not going through Bryston?
Thanx.
Tom
bowmanville, ON
p.s. I am not very computer literate and love the BDP-1 player! Tried rolling my own server a while back with mixed results and love this solution. Know anybody that wants a Lynx AES16 card?
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From: RANDY BERNARDI
Sent: June-05-11 1:02 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: all hail BDP-1
James,
Number 000397 of the BDP-1 digital player arrived in good order on Saturday - my A/D/S L1290's never had it so good ! Starting with tubes in the fifties, I realized last evening that the BDP-1 was my most significant audio advance by far.
Thank you, Randy B.
PS - Should you ever find yourself in Palm Springs, do stop in Always cold beer, cool jazz, and plenty of hot topics
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From: Ray
Sent: June-08-11 12:02 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: RE:
Hey James the player is still impressing the hell out of me. Every time I put a drive in that I have heard a 1000 times I am picking out things that I have never heard or couldn't make out. Thanks again.
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From our Danish Distributor:
From: HTP - Claus
Sent: June-17-11 3:24 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1
Gentlemen,
Wow – we love the BDP-1, it is fantastic.
We are working on a Danish review on the BDP-1/BDA-1 combo – will keep you posted.
Thanks, and have a great weekend.
Claus
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From: Kevin Ayotte
Sent: June-18-11 1:56 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Re: Motivation and Choices for Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player
Greetings James, Kevin @ FSOM here... long time.
Kudos to you and Bryston.... I have been so cheesed about the lack of hi res disc support that I will talk to anyone who will listen about this subject.
I want this to success in the worst way possible, and please.... dont ever use HDMI...
Mr. White says its ok to send this note you wrote to customers.. correct?
My hat is off to Bryston... again!
Kevin Ayotte.
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HI,
overhere the bdp/bda turn on and/or off simultaneously. Ofcourse you have to put them in the same state on/off manually if necessary...rather handy, no?
Marius
Just leave them both on all the time, why are you turning them off? Just turn em on and forget that they are not off.
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in fact I would love to have the BCD1 have the same on/off code, and not have to select them individually on the BR2. Would that be possible?
HI,
overhere the bdp/bda turn on and/or off simultaneously. Ofcourse you have to put them in the same state on/off manually if necessary...rather handy, no?
Marius
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in fact I would love to have the BCD1 have the same on/off code, and not have to select them individually on the BR2. Would that be possible?
You can already do this mate without any extra changes.
Use the sync connectors.
Is this correct James?
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You can already do this mate without any extra changes.
Use the sync connectors.
Is this correct James?
Not sure on that one Terry - Mike Pickett question.
James
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Not sure on that one Terry - Mike Pickett question.
James
Sorry James, wrong word, should have said "Trigger"
Connect the BDP & BDA trigger jacks together - it's in the manual, yes?
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Sorry James, wrong word, should have said "Trigger"
Connect the BDP & BDA trigger jacks together - it's in the manual, yes?
Correct
James
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I did use a stopwatch when I was testing the drives. The SSD took about 90 seconds to load 200GB, the HDD took almost twice that. Since the drives contain FLAC files with medium compression, that is a lot of files to load - I believe there are about 550 CD's on the drives.
Hooking up a larger drive and leaving the BDP-1 on wouldn't be a bad thing to do and it shouldn't hurt the display. I have my display set so that it is only on for a few seconds when changing tracks.
How do you set the bdp1 to turn off the display?
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How do you set the bdp1 to turn off the display?
DISPLAY BRIGHTNESS & AUTO SHUTOFF
To bring up a brightness and auto shutoff time delay menu, press the UP and LEFT menu navigation buttons in rapid succession. Use the UP and DOWN buttons to switch between setting the brightness (from 1 to 4) and the time delay (from always on, 10 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc.) using the LEFT & RIGHT buttons. The menu will dissappear approx. 10 seconds after the last button press.
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DISPLAY BRIGHTNESS & AUTO SHUTOFF
To bring up a brightness and auto shutoff time delay menu, press the UP and LEFT menu navigation buttons in rapid succession. Use the UP and DOWN buttons to switch between setting the brightness (from 1 to 4) and the time delay (from always on, 10 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc.) using the LEFT & RIGHT buttons. The menu will dissappear approx. 10 seconds after the last button press.
Thanks James.
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I recall a discussion on this board where James said that USB 3.0 was not required because 2.0 was fast enough for transfer of music files. I agree but it may have been faster for updating the file index for the BDP-1 but we will not know that because the BDP-1 uses the 2.0 protocol. As for SSDs, they offer the advantage of no physical noise and speed. Today, most external SSDs are USB 3.0 protocol and that requires a different connector on the SSD end. The only cables currently available are the cheap, made in China variety. Is that "good enough"? I have no idea, but I do know that as soon as an "audiophile quality" USB 3.0 cable is available from one of the known high quality cable manufacturers, I will try it.
Tony
Tony, have you found any manufacturers yet that offer a high quality USB 3 cable? I have neot come across any myself.
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Tony, have you found any manufacturers yet that offer a high quality USB 3 cable? I have neot come across any myself.
I look around periodically but I have not seen any USB 3 cables.
Tony
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I looked at two of my "cable" sites, Markertek.com and BlueJean and both have USB3 cables. I don't think that these cables are cryogenic or have uni-directional electron flow but are still likely to be high quality.
Steve
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I looked at two of my "cable" sites, Markertek.com and BlueJean and both have USB3 cables. I don't think that these cables are cryogenic or have uni-directional electron flow but are still likely to be high quality.
Steve
Steve,
Thanks. Both of those sites offer cables similar to what I am using. BlueJeans cable says theirs are made in America and that is a plus. Most are made in China. All of their offerings are under $15 and many say that no improvement will be heard using more exotic data cables. I have not bought into that yet and am hoping for a USB 3.0 cable offering from the likes of Kimber, Nordost, Audioquest, etc. I contacted some of them and such cables are on the drawing board but nothing for sale yet.
Tony
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"cable offering from the likes of Kimber, Nordost, Audioquest, etc. "
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Don't want to beat a dead horse but price may not equal quality or performance. About 6 years ago a friend gave me some demo cables from a going out of business high end store. The most expensive interconnect, when taken apart, had "cold' solder joins and another expensive cable with a "large box" on it was also less than impressive when the sealed box was opened with a hack saw. In side was mostly empty space but several low value cheap resistors were connected parallel to the signal path and a cap was attached in a manner that performed no electrical function with the known physics of our universe.
Steve
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"cable offering from the likes of Kimber, Nordost, Audioquest, etc. "
a cap was attached in a manner that performed no electrical function with the known physics of our universe.
but hi-fi design does not conform to the usual physics laws of the Universe!
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74540
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I look around periodically but I have not seen any USB 3 cables.
Tony
Hi Tony
May I ask why you are looking for a USB 3 cable - to use with the BDP-1?
James
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Hi Tony
May I ask why you are looking for a USB 3 cable - to use with the BDP-1?
James
Hi James. Yes we are looking for a high end cable maufacturer that makes a cable with a Micro B connection for the SEagate GOFLEX hard drive which we use with the BDP1.
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Hi James. Yes we are looking for a high end cable maufacturer that makes a cable with a Micro B connection for the SEagate GOFLEX hard drive which we use with the BDP1.
OK - let me know how that plays out - USB 2 is more than enough for the BDP-1 in terms of moving digital data - USB 3 would really only apply when really high speed data transfer is required like in video applications.
james
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Hi Tony
May I ask why you are looking for a USB 3 cable - to use with the BDP-1?
James
James,
I am using an OCZ Enyo SSD (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-enyo-usb-3-0-portable-solid-state-drive.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-enyo-usb-3-0-portable-solid-state-drive.html)) with the BDP-1. I understand that the USB 3.0 speed is not required but I like the solid state drives and it seems that most SSDs if not all are now USB 3.0. This particular drive has performed flawlessly for about 7 months now; however, I am using it with a $12 cable made in China and would like to see if a better cable would make any difference in sound.
Best Regards,
Tony
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Please do realize that there HDD only has a data representation of the music. It's not at all influenced by jitter like you would see with a USB dac. The file is read into memory where it's converted to a raw PCM and then written to the sound card. At that point, jitter, noise, etc will come into play.
Not all USB cables are made the same, the one that came with your HDD should be used as it meets the any unique requirements that the manufacturer selected. Not all USB cables will meet those standards.
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Hi James. Yes we are looking for a high end cable maufacturer that makes a cable with a Micro B connection for the SEagate GOFLEX hard drive which we use with the BDP1.
Locus Design do these if you want high quality cables
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As far as unidirectional cabling which is mentioned, I respond thus:
Why would one use a unidirectional cable (no such thing really unless it is made of semiconductor material) on a bus (usb) that is NOT unidirectional?
Electrons and holes will flow equally well through a conductor in both directions. Electrons flow from negative to positive and holes which are equal in strength flow from positive to negative. In either case they WILL take the path of least resistance. Cable construction certainly can have ideal frequency ranges due to things such as capacitance and inductance as well as impedance and certainly do have a possibility of affecting things audibly (not to mention exotic speaker cables which blew up some amps final stages) but only a semiconductor or tube can have unidirectional flow, forward biased in one direction (requiring 0.55v to 0.7v to bias depending on material) and reverse biased in the other
When free electrons move from one conductor's atom to the next, they create a hole which moves in the opposite direction with equal force. If it were possible to create a unidirectional conductor which flowed better in one direction, it would quickly cease acting as a conductor since the holes left by the free (valence) electrons thus making the atom positively charged and seeking electrons in the opposite direction would be inhibited. You'd wind up with a bunch of atoms missing free electrons in the valence and this would happen within microseconds of the music starting. Holes should NOT be confused with positrons which are the anti-matter equivalent of electrons. I'm sure some manufacturer will sell some cable in the future for 20,000 dollars per foot which claims to use positronic flow rather than electronic. Oh yeah, and don't touch anything made of antimatter, you'll be obliterated. :lol:
I'd rather see people's efforts go more into putting pressure on music companies as it were, to lessen the amount of crappy sounding recordings which are painful instead of misleading marketing and exponential markup for cables and rocks which do nothing. When I was a young man, most of my vinyl sounded mediocre (crappy) compared to my Telarc, MFSL, Direct Disc recordings and such. It has been no different in Digital except the lack of surface noise, ticks and pops and lack of pre-post groove echo creating an artificial sense of perceived depth and "air", yup distortion and coloration. To eliminate the pre and post groove echo would have rendered a 12" recording to hold 6 minutes per side. In Analog, Reel To Reel that was not taken from vinyl was the best medium by far. I also do not forget the tubes with their microphonics and bad output transformers creating euphonic coloration but it is distortion nevertheless. One man's distortion is another man's musicality. A digital recording need not sound like crap and a 16 bit done correctly can sound wonderful. I have CD's from the eighties that sound good. The conversion to analog is where things vary so much not to mention a 16 bit recording should be properly dithered.
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Not to rain on your rant but i believe directional cable determines the side of the jacket ground. Helpful in star grounding systems.
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Please do realize that there HDD only has a data representation of the music. It's not at all influenced by jitter like you would see with a USB dac. The file is read into memory where it's converted to a raw PCM and then written to the sound card. At that point, jitter, noise, etc will come into play.
Not all USB cables are made the same, the one that came with your HDD should be used as it meets the any unique requirements that the manufacturer selected. Not all USB cables will meet those standards.
So what happens you lose the soundstage in some fashion, does it get more noisy or what?
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Not to rain on your rant but i believe directional cable determines the side of the jacket ground. Helpful in star grounding systems.
That sounds perfectly reasonable and sound and I hope this is the reason why some cables are marked with an arrow. It would invalidate my rant but oh well, thanks for pointing this out. Star grounding shields is absolutely necessary in my business.
While working on Aircraft Electronics (Avionics), I have seen ground maneuvering camera systems have one camera that has a noisy picture. In looking at the wiring diagrams an engineer inadvertently drew in a second ground point for the coax run that went through multiple connectors when the entire system was to be grounded only on the video processor end and floating on the Display Unit end in the cockpit. The difference in potential of a ground to another ground physically elsewhere is very real.
Another area where things get hairy is the ground from cable television. It's absolutely necessary for me to run the cable through the surge suppression power breakout connector which I believe acts as an isolation transformer, otherwise it's hum city.
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Almost no BDP-1's showing up in the used market. A good sign indeed!
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Almost no BDP-1's showing up in the used market. A good sign indeed!
I have not seen one yet, and they are not having mine!
Cheers
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I have not seen one yet, and they are not having mine!
Cheers
There was one somewhere, only a week after it was released. The complaint: no DAC.
A valid one in my opinion.
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The complaint: no DAC. A valid one in my opinion.
If it had a DAC, then the complaint would be that it didn't have multiple inputs for other sources.
Steve
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Latest issue of Hi-Fi Critic has a three page write-up by Chris Bryant
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Had a chance to read it now and its a bit of a hatchet job I'm afraid - he just didn't like it.
He said that it was way overpriced and yet the diskless Naim Unitiserve in the same comic, basicaly the same thing but network access to music rather than USB, costs the same and that needed an extra £3,000+ for a power supply. do me a favour!
He said that that the sound of the BDP-1 improved if he pulled the network cable out. I bet he didn't do the same test on the Naim.
He said that there was a lack of air and natural treble detail, stage depth not upto what's found with the best computer replay systems. The music didn't come together in an enjoyable manner.
He didn't say anywhere what the rest of his system was which isn't very "scientific"
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What a strange little man!
Had a chance to read it now and its a bit of a hatchet job I'm afraid - he just didn't like it.
He said that it was way overpriced and yet the diskless Naim Unitiserve in the same comic, basicaly the same thing but network access to music rather than USB, costs the same and that needed an extra £3,000+ for a power supply. do me a favour!
He said that that the sound of the BDP-1 improved if he pulled the network cable out. I bet he didn't do the same test on the Naim.
He said that there was a lack of air and natural treble detail, stage depth not upto what's found with the best computer replay systems. The music didn't come together in an enjoyable manner.
He didn't say anywhere what the rest of his system was which isn't very "scientific"
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Wait till he reads the Absolute Sound Review of the BDP-1 in the September issue - he is wrong on all counts :duh
james
It is interesting though how the same product can sound so different to different listeners. I have always felt there has been a serious negative bias towards non-British gear from the British press????
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What a strange little man!
Chris Bryant, I presume?
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Wait till he reads the Absolute Sound Review of the BDP-1 in the September issue - he is wrong on all counts :duh
james
It is interesting though how the same product can sound so different to different listeners. I have always felt there has been a serious negative bias towards non-British gear from the British press????
I agree, I prefer Stereophile, a lot more balanced.
Your trouble is that you're not Linn or Naim or distributed by Absolute Sounds UK (the distributor, not the mag)
I'll probably cancel my Hi-Fi Critic sub next year when it comes for renewal.
Most disappointed by the level of critique
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Chris Bryant, I presume?
Yes Terry, I was referring to the reviewer.
James, I understand your frustration. I subscribe to a couple of British hi-fi magazines, and regularly read 2 or 3 others(again, British).
I tend to follow people, rather than magazines. I'm very much of the opinion that individuals are far more important in this context, than a consensus.
And in my experience those I read and trust don't generally let me down.
When I audition something they have reviewed, my ears tally up with theirs.
It's something I have always done with car magazines, too, since my youth.
With the reviewers I trust, Bryston equipment has had nothing other than excellent reviews.
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Yes Terry, I was referring to the reviewer.
James, I understand your frustration. I subscribe to a couple of British hi-fi magazines, and regularly read 2 or 3 others(again, British).
I tend to follow people, rather than magazines. I'm very much of the opinion that individuals are far more important in this context, than a consensus.
And in my experience those I read and trust don't generally let me down.
When I audition something they have reviewed, my ears tally up with theirs.
It's something I have always done with car magazines, too, since my youth.
With the reviewers I trust, Bryston equipment has had nothing other than excellent reviews.
That's a really good point - I tend to do the same - person first - but I take it a step further - unless I have heard a specific reviewers system and can assess what he considers good or excellent I will not accept his or hers opinion on audio quality matters.
In fact when I travel and hear systems in stores and at shows unless there is an obvious minimum level of performance I discount the opinion.
james
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Bryant's review doesn't mention which equipment he owns (other than the Apple notebook) and doesn't mention which music he used.
Hence you have absolutely no context.
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Hi all,
Please let me add my 2 cents: I do own an all Bryston setup, and because of that have spent the last 2 weeks comparing the BDP1BDA1 combo to the Bcd1/bp26 and the BCd1/bda1/bp26.
My findings up to now are that the BDP1 has a rather less defined bass and more fatiguing sound than the Bcd1, the latter connected either to the BDA or directly connected to the Bp26. (has some interface nitpicks also, but we'll work that out)
Other sources played through the BDA (tv, tvbox, streamer, dvd) sound really much better then connected analogly (is that the right word...sorry :scratch)
I ripped all my music on an apple macbook with XLD and Max, and find no difference yet between those 2 software choices. Have been experimenting with cabling and find the XLR to be superiour to the RCA connection, same on the Bcd1.
i find it very difficult to hear a real significant difference in the upsampling of ripped 16/44.1 cd's. Have to have a real dark and silent ambiance to be able to pin it down I guess... :D
but I ordered them anyway to keep experimenting.....
Marius
So, Bryant's review doesn't mention which equipment he owns (other than the Apple notebook) and doesn't mention which music he used.
Hence you have absolutely no context.
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James,
Interesting and completely understandable. It always annoys me when a reviewer spouts out just the basics, with nothing put into context. And no reference. I don't require a list of his/her dietary requirements or need to know whether they prefer black or pink knickers. But I do need to know about partnering equipment, music material, room size, etc. Along with a wide palette of descriptive, musical terminology.
Kyri
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Maybe Bryant's unit was faulty?
If so, shoudn't he check back with the supplier, maybe get a replacement?
Hey shit does happen.
Did he contact Bryston or PMC?
Some of the other comments he made about the sound quality I haven't quoted but they were even more uncomplementary and don't coincide with my listening experience, but what do I know, I'm not a reviewer, I just buy the stuff with my own money
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Maybe Bryant's unit was faulty?
If so, shoudn't he check back with the supplier, maybe get a replacement?
Hey shit does happen.
Did he contact Bryston or PMC?
Some of the other comments he made about the sound quality I haven't quoted but they were even more uncomplementary and don't coincide with my listening experience, but what do I know, I'm not a reviewer, I just buy the stuff with my own money
I doubt there was a problem with the unit and he is certainly entitled to his opinion but it cries in the face of everyone else who has ever heard the BDP-1. I have also been exposed to some very poor audio systems in so called reviewers homes. :scratch:
To each his own :thumb:
james
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I agree James, I think that we have given him and his journal enough coverage here
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I've sat everybody who's entered my house in front of the BDP-1, since I've owned it. At the very least there has been a look of bewilderment on peoples' faces. And at best a quick listen has stretched right through the evening.
I'm a very proud owner, because it makes me incredibly happy. It's that simple.
It sounds nothing short of sublime. And an opinion that is short of that isnt one I spend any time dwelling on.
Kyri
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You know guys one of the issues I think we run into with the BDP-1 is that it is not really understood what it is and what it does. I almost think if it does not fit in with the 'standards' that are currently accepted (noisy laptops with high jitter rates and such and anything but bit perfect output) there is almost an initial dislike for the concept out of the gate and a pre-disposition not to like it.
There is no denying the state of the art specs of the BDP-1 that many have measured and attested to now and maybe it is just so different from what they are use too it breeds contempt???
james
PS - I think I may start posting some of the very thoughtful emails I get from people who come to the BDP-1 because they are fed up and frustrated with the other approaches to computer audio :thumb:
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I've sat everybody who's entered my house in front of the BDP-1, since I've owned it. At the very least there has been a look of bewilderment on peoples' faces. And at best a quick listen has stretched right through the evening.
I'm a very proud owner, because it makes me incredibly happy. It's that simple.
It sounds nothing short of sublime. And an opinion that is short of that isnt one I spend any time dwelling on.
Kyri
I could not agree more with you Kyri, I have had countless people sat on my sofa since I have had my BDP and everyone has been nothing but blown away with the sound and concept once it is explained to them properly.
It has simply been one of, if not the best audio purchases I have every made. I do not care what anyone with a probably hidden agenda wants to write!
Cheers
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You know guys one of the issues I think we run into with the BDP-1 is that it is not really understood what it is and what it does. I almost think if it does not fit in with the 'standards' that are currently accepted (noisy laptops with high jitter rates and such and anything but bit perfect output) there is almost an initial dislike for the concept out of the gate and a pre-disposition not to like it.
There is no denying the state of the art specs of the BDP-1 that many have measured and attested to now and maybe it is just so different from what they are use too it breeds contempt???
james
PS - I think I may start posting some of the very thoughtful emails I get from people who come to the BDP-1 because they are fed up and frustrated with the other approaches to computer audio :thumb:
I think you are right James, people are being brainwashed into thinking streaming is the future, to me it is not, it is the BDP. It is a little like the Film studio/manufacturer's attempt to convince us that we all want to sit with silly glasses on our heads to watch 3D.... :nono:
We should just concentrate on the owners and forget about the mags...
Cheers
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James,
I think 'computer audio' is still an area that hi-fi magazines are not confident about. CD players are a known and everybody knows what and how they do things.
Streaming, with all its associated workings, is still alien to many. So bringing in the BDP-1 is a complete confuddlement, since they don't understand why streaming, wireless connectivity, etc are bad, withy regard to noise.
Rather than focus on the sound quality, they are fixated on the lack of features or functionality.
I find it quite ironic, given that the turntable has been dragged through 100 years of innovation, to excel today with pretty much the same, generous level of functionality as it was born with! That never seems to phase reviewers though.
Kyri
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From: Sebastian Ionescu
Sent: July-24-11 3:10 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Bryston BDP-1
Hello Mr. Tanner,
My name is Sorin and I purchased the BDP-1 and am currently enjoying it immensly.
I would also like to tell you that I have been waiting such a long time for a piece of audio equipment such as the BDP-1. A great combination of excellent build quality, incredible performance, and reasonable price.
Thank you so much. I did allot of my audio shopping on the used market and found allot of great gear so
when I tell you that as soon as I got done reading about the BDP-1 and learned as much as I could about it, I called and placed an order for it from Robert's Audio video and drove two hours to pick it up. I never hesitated or second guessed, so that says allot coming from a person that always thought that second hand equipment was always the way to go for Audio. The BDP-1 is truly an innovative and incredible sounding piece and you have every right to be proud. I absolutely love the quality in both sound and build.
Once again, thank you so much Mr. Tanner.
Sorin
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From: Sebastian Ionescu
Sent: July-24-11 8:18 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Bryston BDP-1
Hello James,
You at Bryston have created a product that changed the face of digital audio. There is no one out there that has a component that comes even remotely close to the performance and convenience of the bdp-1 at that price, this is not even factoring build quality.
Sadly, I have a DCS transport that hasn't been turned on in months because the bdp-1 is used every other day(my non working days) of the week non stop. A 500 gb hybrid hard drive and three days ripped my entire cd collection. I am almost done saving up for a second unit for my bedroom.
Once again thank you James along with everyone at Bryston....... Right now I am listening to music as I type this.
Ps... If I ever hit powerball, i will be the first to integrate a bdp-1 inside the best BMW. Lol Bryston Motor Works.
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From: drlwstoll@
Sent: July-31-11 9:56 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: Re: bryston bdp-1 as computer audio solution
James,
"I do read the many comments on Audio Circle related to the BDP-1. I find those particularly interesting from folks who have experimented with various computer based solutions. I for one am a very satisfied user of the BDP-1/BDA-1 combination.
I received the BDP-1 in early January. My first impressions that the pair represented a significant upgrade to my highly quality system have only been reinforced over the last seven months. I had previously been experimenting with hi-rez recordings from Reference Recordings and HDTracks. Streaming them from my computer using Media Monkey through a USB connector was clunky and required a computer to be stationed with its noisy fan running while I tried to play music. I also had the problem of listening to my large and expanding CD collection which inevitably involved searching for disks and keeping a pile of disks ready for play. In other words a lot of clutter was generated using my available tools.
Using the BDP-1 solved all of those problems. I have approximately seventy hi-rez recordings (all classical music) and have them stored on a solid state drive connected at the lower back USB connection. Most of these recordings sound superb - obviously related to the quality of the performance. What I did not expect, however, was the pleasure that I received from converting my standard red book CD collection and playing them through the BDP-1/BDA-1. I now have approximately 800 CDs stored on a 512GB USB drive - also inserted in the second back panel USB connection. The CDs were all ripped using dBpoweramp as non-compressed FLAC files. I have organized the files by composition type and composer. Using MPaD on my IPAd (I already owned one) I have an extremely versatile and effective way to select and play my music. And the sound! To my ears the recordings sound significantly better (more clarity, better midrange and soundstage, etc.) than when played through my very high quality CD player. Orchestral works, concertos, chamber music, band music and vocals all sound more realistic and they are all available at a moments notice. I am particularly impressed with the sound of my large collection of piano works. I now think that I have a fine piano in my living room with available performances from all of the great classical pianists. I have also enjoyed immensely listening to my large collection of opera recordings. Being able to select an entire recording either by making a play list or simply selecting all disks, make listening to opera a non-interrupted pleasure.
I could go on and on - the important thing is that the BDP-1 has revolutionized my music listening experience.
I am indebted to you and Bryston for your vision and the execution of the Bryston BDP-1 solution."
Best Regards,
Larry
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From: Roy Chant
Sent: August-01-11 1:43 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1 Digital Player
Hello:
I have just read the review of your BDP-1 Digital Player in The Absolute Sound Magazine and I am very interested in this player.
Roy Chant
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From: audioman
Sent: October-12-11 9:37 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: RE: BDP-1
Importance: High
Hello James,
The BDA and BDP is a revelation compared to even my reference $6k and modded Sony cd player.
Once you get the cd s burned to to a external hard drive it is so much more convenient no more cds to scratch, the sound quality is so much more 3 dimentional, and many companys are offering master recordings with much higher resolution digital down loads that remove the limitations of the now outdated cd format instead of 16 bit 20khz,with the latest digital technologies.
It has up to 24bit - 192khz bandwidth which is many times the information and the performances are as if the band is in the room.I would also like to add by using a droid ,or ipad or Ipod and just having a simple router you can play all your albums with all the album cover art right at your finder tips ,you never have to get up to change a cd , and you can even make a favorites folder for what ever songs you like ,this and your library is no bigger than a cd case with a 1Terabyte external usb hanr drive for under $100 you can put up to 1,500 cds on this convenience and the best cd sounding cd playback I have ever heard even against $20 k playback systems.
Bryston you have a winner on your hands and a Class A + rated product.
P.S. - your customer help line is second to none - they stayed on the phone untill I had my player running like a Swiss watch!
Thank you,
Paul Letteri
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From: john ceresa
Sent: October-19-11 10:19 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
James
Last night it happened again. I found another of my older CDs that I downloaded to play on the BDP and was absolutely floored by how much better it sounded thru the BDP than when I used to listen to it on my CD player (and the CD player I had was no slouch, the $4,000 Cary 300/303). I never really enjoyed this particular CD but on the BDP it was a completely different story. I am constantly amazed that I ever had so many albums that had such great sound until the BDP. Thru CD players the sound was really not involving at all. With the BDP, I feel like I have a whole new music library. And for some mysterious reason, I seem to be neglecting my LP collection.
Great product! (and I'm sure that my BDA is also helping). The two should be co-products of the decade.
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BDP-1 with Portable USB drive out duels my Sooloos. Into an Antelope DAC.
BDP-1 doesn't have the noise and grunge that I didn't recognize before on my Sooloos.
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...that's one of the great things about the BDP-1: IT IS SILENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
say music...say Bryston :green:
al.
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From: homig
Sent: October-31-11 4:31 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: bryston BDP player and dac
Hi James
I came across your BDP-1 player and DAC on the Absolute Sound review and called you guys up a few months back…spoke with Chris Rice about it for hours..
First off, Chris is a real good guy and a smart guy to boot…it’s pretty much because of him I ended up buying not one, but two pairs of the BDP player with DAC..
Just wanted to congratulate you and he on a phenomenal product…finally, a media player built for the high end audio world.
Regards
Leon
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Hello Mr Tanner
I bought the bda dac and then a week later bought the bda player everyone was talking about ,when you say the word synergy that is an understatement. I have owned digital setups from MBL as well as Accustic arts of Germany as well as Modwright modded Sony units - the former over $16k
This $4400 setup with quality usb and digital cables far out shoots anything I have owned as well as all others that have heard this combination in my home ,it is very 3 dimentional with tons of air around the instruments even a good turntable would have a hard time keeping up ,especially the higher resolution downloads from HD tracks you can go from 16 bit all the way to 24bit 192 mhz, and the convenience alone just using a thumb drive or like myself using a 1T usb external hard drive , then using the DB power amp program for all your album art and organization it is such a joy to be able to play all of my 500 CDs at a moments notice is far better then any stand alone cd player could ever imagine,thanks for bringing the 21 century to the digital medium,
Paul Letteri.
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Hi James, just seeing all these great (and well deserved) reviews rolling in, I was wondering, do you consider the BDP-1 to be the most successful product launch you/Bryston have had?
It would be funny if it was, considering the hard time so many people/critics gave you as they could not understand it..
Cheers
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Hi James, just seeing all these great (and well deserved) reviews rolling in, I was wondering, do you consider the BDP-1 to be the most successful product launch you/Bryston have had?
It would be funny if it was, considering the hard time so many people/critics gave you as they could not understand it..
Cheers
I would say given the initial reaction yes the BDP-1 proved most of the critics wrong and in that way the rebound was beyond what any of us expected.
You know I was thinking about this the other day at the show in Denver. Over the past year I have done a lot more consumer shows and I think what happened in the case of the BDP-1 is the customers were actually more aware and more up on the idea of the BDP-1 then the dealers and reviewers were. The success of the BDP-1 came more from customers using the BDP-1 and reporting on its quality :thumb: which in turn forced the dealers to pay attention. :duh:
I think that is what is great about the internet - the customer now can determine the fate of the product instead of the dealer.
james
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I would say given the initial reaction yes the BDP-1 proved most of the critics wrong and in that way the rebound was beyond what any of us expected.
You know I was thinking about this the other day at the show in Denver. Over the past year I have done a lot more consumer shows and I think what happened in the case of the BDP-1 is the customers were actually more aware and more up on the idea of the BDP-1 then the dealers and reviewers were. The success of the BDP-1 came more from customers using the BDP-1 and reporting on its quality :thumb: which in turn forced the dealers to pay attention. :duh:
I think that is what is great about the internet - the customer now can determine the fate of the product instead of the dealer.
james
James I think some show-goers may be more enthusiatic Brystonites than some dealers!~! :D :D
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James I think some show-goers may be more enthusiatic Brystonites than some dealers!~! :D :D
I agree - I think some dealers miss the point - Bryston is all about our customers first and foremost and we have been criticized and in some cases ignored because of our long warranties and dedication to excellence and ideas outside the norm.
James
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Still, I find it amazing even Gramophone Magazine ingnores Bryston completely in their Primer on Listening Wirelessly. Maybe the title says it all...
http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/listening-wirelessly (http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/listening-wirelessly)
Focus on the customers might just not equal focus on quality, but much more focus on convenience. Dilemma?
Marius
I agree - I think some dealers miss the point - Bryston is all about our customers first and foremost and we have been criticized and in some cases ignored because of our long warranties and dedication to excellence and ideas outside the norm.
James
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You know guys one of the issues I think we run into with the BDP-1 is that it is not really understood what it is and what it does. I almost think if it does not fit in with the 'standards' that are currently accepted (noisy laptops with high jitter rates and such and anything but bit perfect output) there is almost an initial dislike for the concept out of the gate and a pre-disposition not to like it.
There is no denying the state of the art specs of the BDP-1 that many have measured and attested to now and maybe it is just so different from what they are use too it breeds contempt???
james
In my case, it is not about not "getting it", it is more about motivation to change something that already works. The BDP-1 is ground-breaking in some ways, but very late to the digital party in others.
I have already invested in learning how to rip, how to organize a large collection of music, how to store and back it up, and in a device to attach to my Bryston DAC, Pre-amp, and amp. The best device at the time I built my system, was the Transporter, and by definition it is a streamer. I get fantastic performance, and I isolate the computer/noisy/moving bits in another room by using a network to feed the data.
When James started talking about his vision for the BDP-1, he described a model of use that was back to a Player - media needed to be inserted. That seemed like a step backwards to me. I already have a great User Interface, and can control remotely from either a conventional remote control, or from an app on the iPad.
With the actual release of the BDP-1, it was clear that the device could be controlled remotely, but the content still needed to be "inserted". For those just transitioning to digital, there is no discontinuity, and the model of use is something very familiar - plug in the USB flash drive, and music plays.
I have just moved to a place where I can no longer run wired Ethernet to my Transporter, and have to use Wi-Fi. Over 802.11b, which is what the Transporter supports, I get dropouts with high resolution material.
Ironically (for me), I am now looking at the BDP-1 as an alternative.
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In my case, it is not about not "getting it", it is more about motivation to change something that already works. The BDP-1 is ground-breaking in some ways, but very late to the digital party in others.
I have already invested in learning how to rip, how to organize a large collection of music, how to store and back it up, and in a device to attach to my Bryston DAC, Pre-amp, and amp. The best device at the time I built my system, was the Transporter, and by definition it is a streamer. I get fantastic performance, and I isolate the computer/noisy/moving bits in another room by using a network to feed the data.
When James started talking about his vision for the BDP-1, he described a model of use that was back to a Player - media needed to be inserted. That seemed like a step backwards to me. I already have a great User Interface, and can control remotely from either a conventional remote control, or from an app on the iPad.
With the actual release of the BDP-1, it was clear that the device could be controlled remotely, but the content still needed to be "inserted". For those just transitioning to digital, there is no discontinuity, and the model of use is something very familiar - plug in the USB flash drive, and music plays.
I have just moved to a place where I can no longer run wired Ethernet to my Transporter, and have to use Wi-Fi. Over 802.11b, which is what the Transporter supports, I get dropouts with high resolution material.
Ironically (for me), I am now looking at the BDP-1 as an alternative.
Hi whanafi,
Good points!
I do not think people realized the problems you can have using high resolution files over a wireless network and also did not realize how much better digital audio could sound if the player was done right. :thumb:
james
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From: homig
Sent: November-04-11 1:55 PM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Bryston BDP player and DAC
Hi Bryston
“I have been a techi for most of my life…I have been an audiophile for the last 10 years…I remember paying tens of thousands of dollars for transports and CD players.
After the digital media explosion occurred, it was possible to listen to music without CD’s; i.e., internet, hard drive, PC’s, etc…since then, I have tried all kinds of media products to replicate the same sound my old expensive CD players were capable of.
Most of these consumer products were ok, but not audiophile quality, until now…the BDP-1 player is an awesome product…it is the first product that I came across that does what I need. I am sure there are other products like it out there, but they are much more expensive and maybe not as good. This BDP-1 unit is easy to use, dead silent and very versatile.
Once you use the BDP-1, there is no going back. So I would like to congratulate Bryston for making such a terrific product.”
Good luck
Leon
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Another review on the BDP-1 Digital Player
http://sites.thestar.com.my/audio/story.asp?file=/2011/11/14/afreviews/9860754&sec=afreviews
James
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"The user is in good hands with the BDP-1 and will only grow fonder of it in time."
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That is the bottom line and my experience also. The longer I have had it and the more I use it, the more I like it.
Steve
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From: Robert Fijałkowski
Sent: November-17-11 3:05 AM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Audio Video (June) cover, Review
James,
Sorry we forget to send you some translated sentences from Audio Video Bryston BDP-1 and BDA-1 SET review.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=53878)
REVIEW BRYSTON BDP-1 Digital Player and BDA-1 DAC as System
I must admit that at the very beginning I approached somewhat sceptically the Bryston approach to digital audio playback.
However, it appears that this set of synergistically acting pair, combined with traditional digital cables, is one of the best digital sources that you can buy today, not only for the 17 high resolution music files you own, but also for the 20 or 25 thousand CD’s available. The music material ripped from CD sounds very musically not digital, offering large-scale sound so-called with terrific air and breathing.
During High - Resolution 88,2-192kHz listening Bryston set has such significant advantages over CD players that you really want to consider the purchase, rather than a comparable priced compact player.
Highlights:
• Sounds completely non- digitally – excellent for diehard fans of vinyl.
• The FLAC 24/192 of - J.S. Bach - Mass B-minor, Dunedin Consort was incredibly suggestive vocals in the listening room ... sound fidelity of old instruments was extraordinary incomparable with any recording, I knew from the CD version, played on any CD player.
• High resolution file listening takes you to a higher level of musical initiation. You get not only more information and space but an increase in the involvement of the listener and this is after all, what really counts!
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Now that I've had the BDP for a while, it seems worth mentioning its consistency -- it always sounds wonderful. My tube-based system varied quite a bit when spinning CDs. Not now.
Long-term satisfaction can be a rare quality in this hobby. This unit has it.
Phil
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Hi Folks,
Sneak peak at Soundstage Review on the BDP-1 Digital Player.
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=339
james
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Hi Folks,
Sneak peak at Soundstage Review on the BDP-1 Digital Player.
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=339
james
Congrats James!!
Doug nailed it when he said:
"So if you want to get into not only computer-based playback but hi-rez playback as well, the BDP-1 works exceedingly well, providing a first-class listening experience with any kind of file. Given that this was one of Bryston’s chief design goals with the BDP-1, they’ve succeeded admirably."
From my perspective it is this simple: The BDP-1 makes my collection sound better than it ever did before, while being simple and reliable.
George
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Very good review, it makes me anxious receiving mine which would probably be this week. Congrat to Bryston team.
Gil
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James,
Here is a picture of Jeff Rowland with BDP-1, in case you didn't see it:
http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2011/10/25/rmaf-2011-thiel-jeff-rowland/
Chihyi
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James,
Here is a picture of Jeff Rowland with BDP-1, in case you didn't see it:
http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2011/10/25/rmaf-2011-thiel-jeff-rowland/
Chihyi
Yes thank you - Jeff was kind enough to come down to our demo room and told me he had a trick out MAC system with Amarra etc. and said he plugged in the BDP-1 and it was no contest :thumb:
Also counted 7 other manufactures using the BDP at thelo Denver Show.
James
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Hi Folks,
Please see below a link to another terrific review on the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player from Soundstage Magazine.
It appears as if our method on playing back digital files is making some serious market penetration.. We have been in a constant state of backorder since we introduced the BDP-1 and I think it speaks volumes for the fact that ‘PERFORMANCE’ still matters to our customers.
http://bryston.com/PPDF/SSHiFi-Bryston.pdf
James Tanner
Bryston
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Congratulations, another cracking review! I do find it funny how many people just didn't 'get' the BDP-1, then they listen to it and find out - music.
Cheers
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Yes a good review. One thing I learned is you can leave a USB in the player turn the player off then back on and the player does not need to reread the drive.
The reviewer states you can use the houses power lines instead of an eathernet cable.Has any one here tried this and how welldoes it work?
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Congratulations, another cracking review! I do find it funny how many people just didn't 'get' the BDP-1, then they listen to it and find out - music.
Cheers
I agree whole heartedly!
Other than the sound quality of course, the thing I like most about the BDP-1 is the lack of associated voodoo & BS you get with other products.
No special feet, isolators, cables, resonators or snake oil is required. It just gets on and does the job it was designed to do, no more, no less.
Well done Bryston!
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The reviewer states you can use the houses power lines instead of an eathernet cable.Has any one here tried this and how welldoes it work?
I have and they work very well indeed. Best choice I made, network wise.
Just do it!
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Yes a good review. One thing I learned is you can leave a USB in the player turn the player off then back on and the player does not need to reread the drive.
The reviewer states you can use the houses power lines instead of an eathernet cable.Has any one here tried this and how welldoes it work?
Yes it works perfectly. I use the NETGEAR POWERLINE ADAPTER. This allows the BDP1 to see your home network and there is no need for an ethernet connection to your router from the BDP1. The only ethernet connection is from one of the Adapters to the BDP1 as well as a connection from the other Adapter to your router.
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I agree whole heartedly!
Other than the sound quality of course, the thing I like most about the BDP-1 is the lack of associated voodoo & BS you get with other products.
No special feet, isolators, cables, resonators or snake oil is required. It just gets on and does the job it was designed to do, no more, no less.
Well done Bryston!
That is the thing isn't it, the BDP just plays music, no fuss or BS. I like to work from home one day a week and have music playing, so I have simply set up some 14-16 hour playlists to choose from and don't have to think about it again for the whole day. This alone was worth the price of the BDP for me...
Cheers
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And unlike some companies, no need for power supply upgrades!
:scratch:
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I just received the January 2012 The Absolute Sound magazine in which the BDP-1 won a TAS Product of the Year Award. There is a nice writeup which states in part: "... The BDP-1 offers a level of detail, clarity, focus, dynamics and resolution that is nothing short of revelatory. A new kind of component for a new age."
Congratulations to James and the entire Bryston team for this well-deserved award.
:thumb: :thumb:
Tony
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From: Gary
Sent: December-13-11 10:16 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP/BDA
James,
I installed the combo this morning and settled in for some low level listening this evening. My interface is on its way so it was slow going to find certain cuts on the hard drive. When I did finally find them what a nice surprise.
A backdrop of each performance that was quieter, more laid back yet the presentation was nicely layered. Vocals were more palpable and the soundstage was much deeper.
The system simply draws you into the performance to a level that I never would have envisioned with digital media in the mix.
Nicely done.
Gary
Director
Engineering Harmonics Inc.
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From: Design Progression
Sent: December-15-11 6:19 PM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: BDP
James
BTY, listened to the BDP today with the supplied USB thumb drive;
All good but some of the classical tracks blew me away!! Space, detail, black background, and tonality, amazing.
A couple of tracks had some dynamics which actually startled me both in the room and even when I was upstairs, ….holy shit, great transients!
I’ll write something up once I listen to more and rip some std def Cd’s to hear.
Please let me know when you come across good HD recordings with both content and SPACE ! … I hate non dimensional recordings or things out of perspective
Gary
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Hi all,
After a long drive to my dealer to get my BDP-1 & BDA-1, I connected them to my system in less than ½ an hour, put my 32g thumbdrive with music rip with DBpoweramp in flac set at level 5 (default), choose an album then press play. All I can say is it plays music wonderfully right at the start. It reproduce the music better than the CD played through my cd player which is connected to my BP-26 internal dac. I don't think I will listen to a CD anymore, the BDP-1 is that good. Now will try to configure my Ipod touch to use as a remote and rip all my CD's to my 500gb hdd.
Gil
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Hi all,
After a long drive to my dealer to get my BDP-1 & BDA-1, I connected them to my system in less than ½ an hour, put my 32g thumbdrive with music rip with DBpoweramp in flac set at level 5 (default), choose an album then press play. All I can say is it plays music wonderfully right at the start. It reproduce the music better than the CD played through my cd player which is connected to my BP-26 internal dac. I don't think I will listen to a CD anymore, the BDP-1 is that good. Now will try to configure my Ipod touch to use as a remote and rip all my CD's to my 500gb hdd.
Gil
Hi Gil,
Great news - let us know if we can help.
james
PS - what dealer and where they helpful?
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Hi James,
From Audiolight, yes they give me a good demonstrastion how it worked and says to call their tech if I needed help configure it. For the moment I try to prepare my hdd to rip my CD's on. I have format it with fat 32, rip a couple CD's and try on the BDP-1 and when I scroll it I have a folder that shows as $recyclebin.xxx then artist, then album. Format it again to try to remove the $recyclebin.xxx but didn't work. Also would like to know when the drive is connected to the BDP-1 if when the player is not playing, does the drive stop rotating, is there a program inside the BDP-1 that will pause the drive when not playing. Before formatting the drive there was a program on the drive itself that could be set (min) to put the drive in standby after inactivity. Thanks
Gil
Hi Gil,
Great news - let us know if we can help.
james
PS - what dealer and where they helpful?
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Hi Gil
Yes the recycle is something Windows puts on there and I think a system file as well. You can get rid of them on the network but we can go there later.
I always remove all the preloaded programs on my drives.
You will not see the recycle file etc when you use the interfaces on the iPad or ITouch.
The drives will usually power down when not being used.
James
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...happy listening and many hours of 'rediscovering' your music collections, Gil :thumb:
the BDP is just a very, very good piece of audio equipment and i love it!
al.
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Hi James
Having spent several months now with the BDP-1 / BDA-1 combination I thought I would send you the feedback that I promised.
By way of background I live in Hong Kong and have a fairly decent system based on Densen (Denmark) components which I have had for 5 years now. Generally very happy with Densen but a bit frustrated with the time that they take to develop new products.
I started thinking about buying a separate DAC to improve my Mac / iTunes / Airplay experience about 12 months ago and after considering several options decided to take the plunge with the Bryston kit.
I have been into Hi Fi for almost 40 years now and have experienced many "surprises" with new gear and upgrades but nothing has come close to the difference that the BDP-1 / BDA-1 combination has made. The combination of sound improvement and ease of use is quite remarkable and Bryston deserves the feedback that it is getting on these products.
The BDP-1 in particular is a no compromise product and I suspect people need to use it and hear it before they truly get it. Others have described the sound better than I can but suffice to say that it is cleaner, with the quiet bits quieter and a sense of space that almost adds another dimension to the music.
I still play CDs via my legacy optical player (which stills sounds good but not as good as the BDP-1) and I still use iTunes / Airplay / BDA-1 when convenience (parties, background music etc) is a priority. iTunes is still easier ...
I use MPAD and have had a few challenges setting everything up. Still not quite right and I will post a few questions to other threads of this forum to get some assistance. Generally, these are minor (album art, tagging, sorting issues) which I suspect are just part of the adjustment required of this new way of storing and playing music.
So well done to all at Bryston and thank you for creating these products that have improved my listening enjoyment.
regards
Terry
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My drive is a 500gb WD passport formatted as fat32. Connected to my BDP-1 in the stop mode, the drive didn't seem to come to stop rotating after at least an hour or so of inactivity, so I power off the BDP-1. Does it could shortens the life of the drive if we leave the BDP-1 on all the time.
Gil
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http://www.cepro.com/slideshow/image/9478/
Editor's Picks: 15 Top Products of 2011
Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player
We may end up looking at the BDP-1 as the first product in a new digital music player category. The digital player separates the storage of music from the playback of music and does so with an innovative design that enables the unit to natively playback high resolution audio files from any USB storage device. The product contains no moving parts, streaming components or disc drives and can be combined with Bryston’s BDA-1 DAC to offer users a state-of-the-art digital audio solution that rivals the sound quality of the best analog systems.
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I would like to share my experience after almost 200 hrs of listening to the BDP1, the assessment being made for the unit not paired with the BDA, since it was added to my digital transport and DAC (Blu and QBD76). The comparison with this reference I think is useful for a correct positioning of this player amongst well recognized sources. Moreover, for a “fair” comparison I’ve used only ripped CD’s (DBPoweramp – flac uncompressed), even if the Blu does up sample to 24/176 via dual digital cables. For the test I have left the Blu with dual AES/EBU and used S/PDIF for the BDP1. More on cables afterward.
Both sources are standing on the same equipment rack, which I found brings a clear benefit to the sound. The CDP1 was additionally put on pulsar points which furthermore enhanced the soundstage. The power chords were replaced with Blue Heaven.
The first 50 hrs or so I’ve switched between the Blu and BDP1 both playing in parallel the same music, listening to endless records: the Blu systematically provided more texture and palpability, the soundstage was better defined and it was a clear liquidity in the midband and hights which BDP was lacking; this happened until my new S/PDIF with proper BNC arrived (until then I was using adaptors to RCA). The difference made by a proper cable erased 75% of that difference with Blu (please do not use any of those is a waste ….).
Now for a more critical listening since with a proper cable the differences are more subtle, and now both players shear the same type of cable the Silver Shadow, (just as a small test I’ve borrowed a digital cable costing more than the BDP1: the upgrade is fantastic even if hard to sustain..). The Blu is still slightly more fulsome with an ease and fantastic timing, the music is standing out in a dramatic and believable manner, but the BDP is very, very close. It is now more a matter of taste and habit, since I’m listening more and more to the BDP. I admire the unbelievable dynamics both micro and macro, the music emerges in a precise location in the soundstage with full scale and with beautifully timmed decays. It is just a hint of overall cohesion which separates the players, but I believe that this will diminish with time.
I do not know if the ripping of DBPoweramp actually corrects my CD’s (which are labeled accurate rip – even if some are not defined as accurate) by comparing them with other available data, but the results are really impressive.
HD files: I have a mixt bag of opinions, none related to the BDP1. Raising Sand (flac 24/96) sounds worse than the ripped CD; samples from classical files flac 24/96 and 24/192 (2L) are truly unbelievable, never heard my system sounding like this with classical music. But still some samples from the Triangle CD are equally impressive. For me the god news is that with redbook the BDP is amazing, since most of the music I love is still not available as a high rez file. And if 24/192 is engineered by a MP3 fan…the results are zero (horrible Nevermind!).
Concluding, I can report that the Bryston really does a fantastic job. It deserves to be fully accessorized with proper cables and support, as high as you can afford, and partnered accordingly.
My best sound per pound upgrade.
Vlad
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From: Andrea
Sent: January-14-12 4:34 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1
Dear Mr. Tanner,
I just bought a BDP-1 and since the very first song I'm super happy with it. It is connected to a BDA-1, that I was used to play in conjunction with a Mac MINI, EVO and Pure Music. No COMPARISON.
Many thanks
Andrea
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Hi Folks,
Please see below a link to another terrific review on the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player from Soundstage Magazine.
It appears as if our method on playing back digital files is making some serious market penetration.. We have been in a constant state of backorder since we introduced the BDP-1 and I think it speaks volumes for the fact that ‘PERFORMANCE’ still matters to our customers.
http://bryston.com/PPDF/SSHiFi-Bryston.pdf
James Tanner
Bryston
James, when I click on the link, I get "sorry page not found" ?
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Hi, James. Thought you'd like to know about a great company (I don't work for them or have ownership interest) that I purchased my SSD from to use with the BPD-1. They are Oyen Digital in St Paul, Minnesota. I bought one of their MiniPro USB SSD 240GB. Their customer service was first rate, they shipped the unit right out, and even formatted FAT32 upon request. PLUS they are the least expensive of any SSDs I located, made here in North America (except for maybe the chip-set - I don't know about that), and the product is robust and well built. Anyway, check them out.
Really enjoying the BDP-1. Absolutely amazing how much better music sounds played from a hard drive versus on the fly.
Cheers,
Alan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Lach
Sent: February-02-12 1:22 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1
Hi James,
We met briefly at RMAF while you were demo-ing the BDP-1. I'm now a proud owner, and I couldn't be more pleased. My thanks to you and
Bryston for conceiving and delivering such a fine product! Over the past 2 years I've paid kids in the neighborhood to rip my CD's (all 2000) to flac files (DBpoweramp).
With the BDP-1 I'm rediscovering all this music.
I've figured out how to get connected via laptop, Motorola Zoom, Droid phone, et all through a variety of products. They all work fine.
Regards,
Denny
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From: Ron
Sent: February-06-12 2:28 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: RE: BDP-1
Hi James,
I appreciate all the effort with your fast response and I thank you and Bryston.
Oh, by the way, I am very happy with the sonics. I am using a Berkeley Alpha DAC and I was very skeptical whether my new BDP-1/Berkeley setup could better my Classe CDP-202. After a few hours of critical listening I am very happy and there is an improvement.
Thanks again for a great product.
Sincerely,
Ron
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Hello James,
My name is Sorin and we wrote to each other quite awhile ago about the bdp-1 player I purchased.
I would like to thank you and the folks at Bryston for making a masterpiece of engineering that I still adore and have not found anything that even touches it in quality, build, digital implementation. Nothing, nada, zip.
Take care James
Sorin
ps.
what is madness? having a machine shop custom make a set of spikes specifically for the bryston bdp-1 that sits on a high end carbon fiber shelf to eliminate every bit of vibration
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Sorin,
I have been wondering whether some type of resonance or vibration control under the BDP-1 would have a salutary effect on the sound.
Anyone have any experiences to share. I use fifferent footers under my preamp, tranpsort, tuner, etc.
Neal
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From: Stuart
Date: February 24, 2012 12:42:54 PM EST
To: James Tanner <jamestanner@bryston.com>
Subject: Digital Duo
Hi James:
I just wanted to note that there is a lot of synergy between the BDP-1 and BDA-1. Many of the reviews of the BDP-1 have used the BDA-1 as it's mate but have commented that any good DAC would do. I recently removed a Weiss DAC2 from the hifi cabinet (unused for nearly a year). Before removing it I connected the AES output from the BDP-1 to the Weiss DAC2 and compared it's rendering of the BDP-1 output to the BDA-1 fed via the BNC route. The difference was startling.
The BDA-1 had the expected air around the instruments and a room-wide soundstage. In contrast the Weiss DAC2 kept all the sound between the two speakers ( much narrower soundstage ) and the music sounded rather blah - flat but not in the off-pitch meaning - more lifeless. So my experience is that the pair together make for wonderful music especially at the higher resolutions.
Best Regards,
Stu
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Firstly, thanks to all the input from the members, the thread takes a while to wade through but the time seems well spent.
I've just retired my Sooloos Control 15 as a stand alone player, the sound quality ultimately lets the unit down and there's no freedom to implement physical upgrades - but the touch screen interface was wonderful for guests at dinner parties and will be missed.
On the strength of the comments here I intend to dem the BDP-1 shortly, also the NAD M50 and the Weiss MAN301. (The rest of the system is a NAD M2 digital amp and Quad 2905's)
I still retain the Squeezebox Touch on the hifi rack as there are "Booms" in all of the bedrooms and the family enjoy using the Squeeze Server system.
I understand that there's a Linux based plug in (QPKG SSOTS) used by QNAP, I suppose it wouldn't take much for the BDP-1 to be recognised as a player, even as the hub on the Squeezeserver network? Given it's ability to except streams over the ethernet, conforming to the Squeeze protocols would expand its appeal even further.
Would this require a dual boot? Ie on start up select the operating mode for the BDP-1 as a stand alone player or as the hub of the Squeeze network, operating in the same way as the Touch does once a USB drive has been plugged into it?
Just thinking aloud... I'm most looking forward to the BDP-1 experience :)
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"the operating mode for the BDP-1 as a stand alone player or as the hub of the Squeeze network,"
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Not quite sure how you want to use the BDP-1 but it's just a "player" (a very good one) that can be controlled via it's internet connection. My BDA-1 acts more as a "hub" with IPod dock, squeeze box, Apple TV, and BDP-1 connected to it.
Steve
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I'm being greedy, I'd like the best of both worlds. The BDP-1 as a stand alone unit as intended, but also a way that I could include it with my Squeezebox system that's spread throughout the house.
It then crossed my mind that, as all of the music files were attached to the BDP-1 maybe the player could act as a source for all of the other units, in the same way as a Squeezebox Touch does when you plug a USB drive into it....
As far as I'm aware, the software for the Touch is written in Linux and is open source. OK, it would need to be tweaked to remove the screen requirements etc but I'm sure the processor in the BDP-1 is more than capable of handling the interface. With the BDP-1 booting from a flash card, maybe the first option on boot up would be to select the operating mode - ie stand alone or as the squeeze server...
Just a thought...
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Hi James
From: Mateusz
Sent: March-11-12 11:05 AM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Bryston combo
Hi James,
The Bryston BDP-1/BDA-1 combination Bryston is great, well done guys…
I have tested Linn which is a disaster (sonically) and some others (Aentelope – nice) I have now Audionemesis which is nice but too tube like together with Usher R1.2 (tube-like sound) it’s too warm to me.
I’m emailing from Warsaw, Poland.
Regards,
Mateusz
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From: fotorich
Sent: April-12-12 10:59 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDA/BDP
Good morning from Florida.
I enjoyed our conversation a couple of days ago regarding my BDA-1 and BDP-1. As I stated I have a Conrad-Johnson CT5 Triode Tube Preamp and two Conrad-Johnson LP125M Vacuum Tube Amps driving my five foot seven inch Martin Logan electrostatic speakers with a B&W 12 inch powered sub-woofer. My CD player is a top end Esoteric. Basically, I have been enjoying Stereophile A-Rated equipment.
My first piece of Bryston equipment was the BDA-1. The first thing I noticed was an increase of musical information I hadn’t noticed even in some of my prior dedicated CD listening. Clock speed and jitter problems were also appropriately resolved. I hate to admit it but the music was so enthralling I stopped analyzing and was listening. This was on music I was accustomed to listening to and had played many times before and used as test CDs because of my familiarity with the content. Some of my better engineered CDs presented a three dimensional sound stage that placed musicians not only left, right and center but fore and aft with a truly realistic musical presentation. Listening with the CD being played using the BDA-1 and the electrostatic Martin Logans was almost scary. With a slight addition of realism I would have attempted to put my arms around Shannon McNally, to comfort her, as she sang Pale Moon. I tried the BDA-1 in my family room hooked up to my Pioneer receiver Infinity Composition speakers and listened in the stereo mode. This too showed similar improvements. I was glad to see Stereophile give the BDA-1 a class A rating confirming what I already knew. In summation, the BDA-1 is greater than the sum of its parts.
I purchased my BDP-1 after my BDA-1 so I am not as familiar with the BDP-1 as with the BDA-1. I as yet have not integrated my HP laptop with the BDP-1 so I operate it directly from its front controls. (Not a big deal.) I use the AES/EUB to connect the BDP-1 and BDA-1. Downloaded FLAC files go to a desktop computer I built and put the music files on a thumb drive for use in the BDP-1. My minimum FLAC file is twice the size of a CD, that’s double the musical information.
You betcha it sounds good.
Richard Lizak
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From: Grant
Sent: April-23-12 12:04 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDP-1 from Absolute Audio
James,
My new BDP-1 arrived a few weeks ago I have spent some late nights listening to it through my BDA-1. I’ll skip all the stereo magazine quotes and just say that I am extremely happy to have this in my system. Both the BDP and BDA are excellent products that you and your team have every right to be proud of.
I also wanted to pass along my experience with your dealer network. I was on the hunt for new speakers about 3 years ago, and after touring through all the good stores in Calgary I ended up buying from James Davies at Absolute Audio. I have continued to deal with James for the past 3 years or so because he is very knowledgeable about components (whether he carries them in the store or not), and is clearly passionate about his job. I also appreciate his honesty in recommending products that fit the bill for my system, and more importantly steering me away from components that don’t. He was a big factor in choosing the BDA-1 last year, and my decision on the BDP this year.
Regards,
Grant
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From: Manny Singh
Sent: April-26-12 10:08 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: New IPAD Interface for Bryston BDP-1 Player
Hi James
Thanks for referring the new MPAD App for the iPad?
I have purchased my second BDP-1. It is an essential source component.
Absolutely a great device.
thanks
Manny
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From: Steve Bruzonsky [mailto:stevebruzonsky@cox.net]
Sent: May-07-12 9:40 AM
To: 'James Tanner'
Subject: RE: Bryston BDP-1
The BDP-1 is the best sounding best value best ease of use component in my system!
Nothing short of fantastic!
Steve Bruzonsky
Attorney At Law
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From: Chad
Sent: May-07-12 11:52 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: BDP-1
Hi James,
I have had my BDP-1 for five days now and I am very happy with it.
Before the BDP-1 I was using the front usb port of an Oppo BDP-93 to play both redbook material and hi res material through my BDA-1.
With the BDP-1 I am hearing detail on material I know well that I have never heard before. In short, I am a very happy customer.
Thanks,
Chad
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Hi Folks,
New review on the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player and BDA-1 DAC.
http://canadahifi.com/index.php/bryston-bdp-1-digital-player-and-bda-1-dac/
james
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I have had my BDP-1 and BDA-1 for a few months now. Bought them together. After following this website for a while I placed my order for both components. The local hi-fi retailer wasn't even aware that the blue led version was available. I think I was one of the first in this country (South Africa) to get the newer edition black chassis with the blue leds on both these components, which was apparently especially airfreighted by Bryston for me as none were available in this country. Big big thank you for that Bryston people.
I am not a lazy person but the sheer convenience of having hard drives full of music is nicer than changing cds until you find something that you want to listen to (still wish there was a matching Bryston hard drive enclosure). The sound quality is seriously good. Compared using a Samsung Galaxy tablet vs an iPad as an interface. Both do it respectable job, but the iPad does it with more class.
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I think I was one of the first in this country (South Africa) to get the newer edition black chassis with the blue leds on both these components, which was apparently especially airfreighted by Bryston for me as none were available in this country. Big big thank you for that Bryston people.
(still wish there was a matching Bryston hard drive enclosure).
Congratulation on joining the very select blue LED club :D we all know they sound better :peek:
I think a lot of us still hope that James will change his mind on the drive enclosure, especially with the SSDs coming down in price so fast now.
:deadhorse:
Cheers
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Congratulation on joining the very select blue LED club :D we all know they sound better :peek:
I think a lot of us still hope that James will change his mind on the drive enclosure, especially with the SSDs coming down in price so fast now.
:deadhorse:
Cheers
What are the SSD prices over there?
james
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What are the SSD prices over there?
james
256GB are down to about £150-£160 (GBP) shopping around, so we are closing in on 2GB per £1 (GBP), the last couple of weeks they have dropped significantly and are still going. So getting well within range now for me.
Cheers
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James,
For use with the BDP-1, is there any audible advantage to using an SSD over a typical HDD? I certainly cannot hear my HDD. Thanks.
Neal
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James,
For use with the BDP-1, is there any audible advantage to using an SSD over a typical HDD? I certainly cannot hear my HDD. Thanks.
Neal
Hi Neal,
Yes I find even the 1TB rotary USB Western Digital Passport drives really quiet. I have 2 SSD's and 6 rotary drives but so far am hard pressed to hear a difference.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers May 2012
SUBJECT: Dealer Feedback BDP-1 Digital Player
From: "Václav Škarda"
Sent: May-18-12
To: James Tanner
Subject: RE: BDP-1
Hello James,
Here is a translation of a message from our new customer for BDP-1
“THANK YOU very much for sent files (Gnome player).
You should call the Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player "digital sound wonder"
After listening to BDP-1 in my system, I was thrilled and was upset that I was hesitating to buy it for so long.
Using a PC with Foobar and BDA-1, the sound is very good, but those emotions and pleasure you have with CD player/BDA-1 are missing. BDP-1 is much better. You have emotions, fantastic space and especially the holographic presentation of voices. The foreign reviews really did not lie.
I thank you again
Zdenek Klimsza”
Best regards,
Vaclav
Hifi Store
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Hi!
I was previously using Dune media player via toslink as my digital source and was quite skeptical about the possible improvements that BDP-1 could possibly provide. How wrong could I be! Even without any room treatments and power conditioning, I can hardly believe the difference I am hearing. Pure musical nirvana, period. The timbre is finally spot on. Soundstage has opened up. Much more detail. Everything is just right.
The setup was effortless. And can you believe, Mike sent me the new firmware with NAS support within 2 minutes, how does that sound for a response time! Now I can play music from the hard disk in my Dune player.
Cheers,
Toms
(http://[img]http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68375)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68376)
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Toms, is that granite under the bdp1? What do you have between the granite slab and the shelf?
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Toms, is that granite under the bdp1? What do you have between the granite slab and the shelf?
No, that is marble. In between are pieces of blutack. But I am totally dissatisfied with the result. Blutack does not seem to be working as a decoupling agent at all. I have some stuff from Herbie's Audio Lab coming in soon.
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Tomsenko,
Why do you need anything under the BDP-1? It is essentially inert. That said, audioholic that I am, I tried a few things underneath -- BDP cones, Aurios, etc. and they either made the sound worse or did nothing at all. Curious about your results when Herbie's devices are installed.
Neal
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Tomsenko,
Why do you need anything under the BDP-1? It is essentially inert. That said, audioholic that I am, I tried a few things underneath -- BDP cones, Aurios, etc. and they either made the sound worse or did nothing at all. Curious about your results when Herbie's devices are installed.
Neal
I have my speakers placed on the same shelf due to space constraints (see picture of my system). The vibrations are pulsating through the shelf into BDP and DAC, especially where the track has big bass and is played loudly. The Herbies devices will first go under the pieces of marble. If there is some improvement, I might try some more under the speaker spikes and under components.
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From: Sebastian
Sent: November-09-12 2:30 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: Re: Bryston
Thank you James for the updates, have been using them on both units and I love the new interface and features(random, repeat, larger album
art) as well. No more glitches or hangups on some files here and there. Everything is perfect. I love you all .... in a platonic way of course!!! :)
I can't stress enough how much my BDP-1's mean to me.
My entire music collection combined with incredible sound quality at the touch of a button. The BDP-1 defines audio perfection.
Take care James and everyone at Bryston.
Sebastian
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From: Anne
Sent: December-13-12 9:44 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: Happy Holidays and Thanks!!
James, just a quick e-mail to wish you and all the staff at Bryston a very happy holiday season!!
Also to thank you for making such a great addition to my music system - the BDP-1. I have not bought anything that has single-handedly transformed the way I access and listen to my music library any better than the BDP-1.
And sonically, it's a slam dunk, as it takes red book to a new level.
Once you helped me to get it configured along with mPad, I have not had a single "problem" with it. In fact, I never did have any problems with it - any temporary glitches were just due to my newness with the BDP-1. I am thoroughly pleased, and I thank you (and Chris) every time I fire it up to enjoy music.
From a very satisfied customer who made an absolutely right purchasing decision a year ago,
Alan
Edmonds, WA
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Got this today from Absolute Sound Magazine but no idea which product we won Editors Choice for :scratch:
I am guessing BDA-1?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=72507)
james
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I noticed that the manual for the new Bryston BDP-2 is now available on the Bryston web site.
However, the manual makes no mention of the possibility of installing and using an internal 2.5" drive. Will this be included with the unit itself?
For example: instructions on how to open the unit, how to install the drive, how to format/initiate the drive, how to copy music files to the drive and how to use the drive?
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Hi all, first post.
Another thing about the BDP-2 manual on the Bryston web site.
I thought that I had read somewhere on this forum that the BDP-2 rear USB ports are capable of supplying more current to port powered external drives (more than what the BDP-1 is capable of supplying).
Am I mistaken ?
The manual says............
• USB ports are limited to 500ma’s (½ amp) of current on the BDP-2 so we do not recommend USB
drives requiring more current than 500ma’s be
used if they are going to be powered by the internal USB ports in the BDP-2.
• Thumb-Drives require very little current but 3.5 in
drives (usually in the 1-TB (terabyte) to 3-TB size
usually require more current than the USB ports
on the BDP-2 can supply.
• Therefore Bryston recommends using Thumb-Drives of any size or 2.5 inch drives up to 750GB if
you are powering them with the USB ports on the BDP-2.
• If you require a 1-TB drive we would recommend
TWO-500GB USB drives attached to the 2 rear
ports on the BDP-2 rather than a single 1-TB USB
drive. If you require 1TB or larger (3-TB) USB
drives then please use drives which are self powered.
The bottom rear USB port on the BDP-2 provides ½ amp of current
and the top rear and two front USB ports share ½ amp.
Also, the BDP-2 has 4 rear USB ports, but that last paragraph quoted from the manual above seems to imply 2 ports, so I'm thinking that the manual contains errors?
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I noticed that the manual for the new Bryston BDP-2 is now available on the Bryston web site.
However, the manual makes no mention of the possibility of installing and using an internal 2.5" drive. Will this be included with the unit itself?
For example: instructions on how to open the unit, how to install the drive, how to format/initiate the drive, how to copy music files to the drive and how to use the drive?
This manual is simply a first revision, essentially the BDP-1 manual with some minor updates and the 1's replaced with 2's. There will be more info to come in the new year, we are also currently working on a new wiki site dedicated to bryston products. This page is meant to act a guide on how to use the software included on BDP's and other heavily software based products. We hope to have the page available to the public and articles detailing the BDP's usage by the end of January.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi,
Here are the shots of the BDP-2 - it has 4 USB's on the rear and 2 on the front.
http://bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BDP-2.html
james
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Hi James,
It was nice speaking to you on the phone this morning. Thanks again for helping me setup MPAD. I received my
Bryston BDP-2 yesterday and I'm absolutely amazed at the sound quality. Through the BDP-2, digital music in my system
has never sounded so good. The organic nature of the music is so enjoyable. For reference, my system includes
a PS Audio PWD MKII and PWT, Ray Samuels A-10 Thunderbolt fully balanced vacuum tube 2 chassis electrostatic headphone
amp/preamp, McIntosh MC452 quad balance power amp, Harbeth M40.1 speakers, and a Linn LP12 turntable with
Radikal PS, Ekos SE arm, and Akiva MC cartridge.
What really surprises me is that I find the BDP-2 playing 16/44.1 FLAC files preferrable to my PS Audio PWT spinning CDs
connected to the same PS Audio PWD MKII via an I2S cable. Previously, I played those same FLAC files either through a
laptop PC connected to the same DAC via a Halide Bridge USB/SPDIF converter or through a SONOS system feeding the
coax digital input of the PWD MKII. The BDP-2 plays at a completely higher level than any digital system that I've heard in my
home. I'm using a 2TB Western Digital self powered USB HDD connected to the BDP-2 and an AES/EBU 110 ohm Blue Jean
cable to connect to the PWD MKII.
What improvements am I hearing? Images seem more real and are clearly defined in space. There appears to be more space
between the images and the soundstage extends wider and deeper. Piano, horns etc.; all sound more natural than ever before.
The noise level seems non-existant. Noise never seemed to be a problem before but with the BDP-2 in the system the noise
floor seems to have dropped even lower. I'm very happy that I can play my nearly 19,000 FLAC files at a level that exceeded
my expectations. Thanks Bryston.
Regards,
Steve M. from Canton, MI
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http://www.electronichouse.com/article/hands_on_bryston_bdp-1_digital_player/
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I've got to hand it to you James - you really invented a winner with the BDP series. I do need to purchase one at some time!
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I've got to hand it to you James - you really invented a winner with the BDP series. I do need to purchase one at some time!
Thanks Bill - yes for being told initially - "send me some of what you're smoken James " .... it has turned out to be quite the hit :thumb:
james
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http://www.electronichouse.com/article/hands_on_bryston_bdp-1_digital_player/
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My technical review of the BDA-1 and 2.
You are at a party conversing with a beautiful woman....and in walks a goddess.
Gary
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From: Donald Brody
Sent: February-14-13 9:51 AM
To: Jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: Purchase of BDP-1 Digital Player
Dear James:
I am thoroughly enjoying my BDP-1.
Thank you so much for producing this wonderful product. I am going to purchase a second BDP-1 in silver as a birthday gift for my adult son who loves music, has a great audio system, and is just now getting into high resolution digital music.
Thanks for your help.
Best regards,
Donald Brody
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http://www.hpsoundings.com/2013/02/preview-bryston-bda-2-bdp-2/
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Hi Folks,
Just wanted to let everyone know I bought a MAC mini IPAD and it appears to work well with the BDP-1 and BDP-2.
james
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Hi Folks,
Just wanted to let everyone know I bought a MAC mini IPAD and it appears to work well with the BDP-1 and BDP-2.
james
I was going to mention this the other day, I actually really like my iPad mini, MPad works well, I would say better than on my iPad 3. The mini is a perfect size for me as a Bryston remote.
Cheers
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From:Dan
Sent: March-12-13 3:58 PM
To: James Tanner; crice@bryston.com
Cc: jbwhitlock1@aol.com
Subject: Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi James and Chris :
Thank you again for taking the time to get my new BDP-1 working with my 3T external hard drive and iPad Mini. It all works great and, most importantly, sounds fantastic!!
Your BDA-1 DAC is an amazing upgrade from my old, old Denon DA-500 DAC. I bought the Denon in 1996 ($500) and I think it may have been the first stand alone DAC on the mass market at that time.
I have started to invite all my audio friends and acquaintances over to admire your equipment (that I have been talking up for months) and to encourage them to "get on the bus" with Bryston.
Thanks again!
Daniel
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New BDA-2 review up:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dacs/dacs-reviews/bryston-bda-2-dac.html
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Does it get boring, James . . . the superlative reviews of Bryston gear? These are my takeaways from the Secrets review above:
"The sound was flawless as well." | "And it was clean, clean, clean . . . astonishingly so." | "In summary, I would classify the Bryston BDA-2 as detailed and neutral, with nary an audible hint of distortion." | "A few years ago, you could not get this performance at $5,000, so at $2,395, this DAC is a no brainer for consideration."
And those measurements . . . you challenge the test gear.
I received my copy of The Absolute Sound last week and enjoyed reading the rave review.
When convenient, might you make PDFs of these reviews available to us?
Congratulations on this well-deserved recognition of yet another example of Bryston's excellence in design and performance.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
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Does it get boring, James . . . the superlative reviews of Bryston gear? These are my takeaways from the Secrets review above:
"The sound was flawless as well." | "And it was clean, clean, clean . . . astonishingly so." | "In summary, I would classify the Bryston BDA-2 as detailed and neutral, with nary an audible hint of distortion." | "A few years ago, you could not get this performance at $5,000, so at $2,395, this DAC is a no brainer for consideration."
And those measurements . . . you challenge the test gear.
I received my copy of The Absolute Sound last week and enjoyed reading the rave review.
When convenient, might you make PDFs of these reviews available to us?
Congratulations on this well-deserved recognition of yet another example of Bryston's excellence in design and performance.
Rich
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Whiney Napa Valley
The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Thanks for the kind comments Rich - its is great to know that our efforts are appreciated. :thumb:
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Polish Review of Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP Digital Player
From: Robert Fijałkowski
Sent: April-16-13
To: James Tanner
Subject: Bryston BDA-2, BDP-2 - Audio Video Review
Dear Bryston,
Please find Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player review from Polish Magazine --- Audio Video Magazine.
ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/reviews/Bryston%20BDP-2_BDA-2_av4-13%20(2).pdf
A Few English Translated Sentences from the review:
"(...) A very good Class 2 USB input in the BDA-2, so that this DAC is one of the best asynchronous D/A converters in its own class.
BDA-2 is in a very well-balanced, rich and musical.
More of an emphasis on warmth, richness and natural sound color than the ruthless precision or resolution.
Best:
Robert
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I have been working with digital music since the first SliMP3 was released by Slim Devices back in the day. And before that, I had fully automated my CD collection in Sony carousels with a NIRVIS controller. Suffice to say I have been at this a while.
My system was based on a Transporter streaming from a Vortex box music server, all on wired Ethernet. The Transporter was connected to the Bryston BDA-1, BP26, and a 4BSST2 driving a pair of KEF Reference 205/2. I used iPeng on various iDevices and Logitech Squeezebox Controller for control.
I followed the development of the BDP-1 with interest, but without the abilty to talk to external networked storage, I wasn't interested. And then it was announced that the new firmware would support network storage AND you could control from networked devices and so I placed and order.
Just in time for the announcement of the BDP-2.
I was pissed. I realize (and celebrate) that manufacturers need to advance the state of the art, so the unhappiness was not that there was a new product, just that the BDP-2 more closely answered my needs than the BDP-1, and I was caught with an in transit order. By the time things get to Singapore, they are considerably more expensive.
I sucked it up, paid the balance on the BDP-1 when it arrived, and then left the unopened box in my study. It has taken a few months to find the motivation to set the thing up, but with the Labour Day holiday this week, I had some spare time and tackled the project.
Previous posters have said that they could not hear the difference between the Transporter and the BDP-1, so I was curious to see if the swap made an impression on me. The shipped unit did not include the Bryston USB sampler, so I put one together myself with a mix of CD rips and high def material from HD Tracks.
Ignoring the 4 hours of reading posts, learning about mPoD and mPad and MPD and MPDroid and figuring out that you DON'T put in the password, I was finally up and running, with the existing Vortexbox remaining as my music server.
WOW.
All the feelings of being hard done by fled as the first bars of Cielo Azul by Johannes Linstead played.
Describing audio is like describing wine - at best imprecise, at worst pretentious. I will just say it sounded wonderful. I don't know why exactly - same interconnect (BNC SPIDF), same system, just different player. Should not make a difference on paper. My wife, who tolerates my audio passion, spontaneously commented that everything sounded clearer. SAF=10
The functionality and clients for working with the Logitech Music Server are stil better, but the trade-off is acceptable for the sound.
The Transporter has retreated to my computer desk and serves as my player attached to an ancient Linn Classik and KEF LS50 speakers.
Happiness resumed.
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Dear James
You might like the attached BDP2 & BDA2 review attached that is currently on the shelves throughout the UK.
Gramophone – The UK’s Leading Classical Music Magazine
Kindest regards
Keith
PMC
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=86757)
Have the PDF folks if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com
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Hi Folks,
There is a nice follow up review on the Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player in the October issue of Stereophile Magazine - page 192.
james
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James,
Is Bryston working on providing the BDP-2 DSD capability? I have the BDP-2 and I think its great but the icing on the cake would be to have DSD capability. My DAC is DSD capable and I rather use my BDP-2 than a laptop/ J. River to play DSD files. DSD seems to be picking up a bit with some of the new DACs out there and sites like Acousticsounds.com selling DSD downloads. I think a DSD capable BDP-2 would give it an edge over most of its competition. Just a thought.
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James,
Is Bryston working on providing the BDP-2 DSD capability? I have the BDP-2 and I think its great but the icing on the cake would be to have DSD capability. My DAC is DSD capable and I rather use my BDP-2 than a laptop/ J. River to play DSD files. DSD seems to be picking up a bit with some of the new DACs out there and sites like Acousticsounds.com selling DSD downloads. I think a DSD capable BDP-2 would give it an edge over most of its competition. Just a thought.
Hi
We are looking at it and the latest software (Manic Moose) that Chris is working on for the BDP-2 is capable of DSD.
james
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From: Laurence Stoll
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013
To: James Tanner
Subject: BDP-2
James,
I was one of the very early purchasers of the BDP-1. I have always been thrilled by both the sound on my Thiel 3.7 speaker system using the BDP-1 as the source for a very large classical music collection and the flexibility of the software interface. I just ordered a BDP-2) because I wanted the greater flexibility and the ability to manage very large libraries.
Note:
I am keeping the BDP-1 as a "back up" because I cannot face the prospect of listening to music in another manner if something should happen to the media player. I am a VERY satisfied customer.
Best regards,
Larry
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Hi everyone. I haven't posted much around these boards but I have owned an SP3 for about 10 months now. I am in the computer business so I have built my own music server. I recently made a large investment in a professional sound card made by Digigram (VX222e) for it. I used to run an Asus Xonar card (using a coax digital cable). Wow, what a difference and what a card! It has an AES/EBU connector to fit right into the SP3.
Since my friends and I thought very highly of the quality of the sound, we decided to put the media server up against the BDP-1 which I was able to 'borrow' from a dealer for the weekend. After reading all the posts in this thread, I couldn't wait to hear the two against each other.
Well, I have to tell you, after much A/B'ing between the two using the SP3's two AES digital inputs, my media server actually sounds better! It gives a little better resolution to the sounds, especially female vocals and guitars. (We used the exact same files from my media server which has all my music ripped into iTunes using AIFF). The music just has a little more 'air' around it - on all pieces auditioned. A small difference, but noticeable. (They are both sound sooooo good.)
If I didn't have my media server, I would never know the difference and I would say the Bryston BDP-1 was the best sound I had ever heard - but the sound coming out of my computer through the Digigram card is better. The card can plug into any Windows computer, but my media server was custom-built to be a dedicated media server. It has a fanless power supply, super-quiet case fan, and my twin mirrored hard drives are stored in a Mediasonic Raid enclosure connected by USB3.0, ensuring all my music files are always backed up in real-time using Raid1 (or Mirroring).
It's not necessary to go to this extreme or cost to make the system sound this good - any computer with this sound card will probably sound just as good. And you can get this card for around $500. landed cost in Canada (probably a little bit cheaper in the US).
So putting together a computer with this sound card can be done for under $1000. You plug the media server running iTunes into your home network and use the Remote app from any i device and away you go!
I'm not putting down the BDP-1 by any means - it's a wonderfully built and performing product and matches beautifully with my SP3. But since I already have a dedicated media computer on my rack (I used a Silverstone media case-looks great) there's no need to get into a BDP product, when what I've built actually sounds even better.
Food for thought...............
Rest of my system for reference:
Bryston LX-7 7x200w amp, (soon to be switching to a couple of McAllister monoblock OTL amps!)
Neat MF5 front speakers
Cardass XLR interconnects
Morrow Audio SP6 speaker wires
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From: Tim McDermott
Sent: October-07-13 1:11 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: RE: BDP2 Network
Hello James,
I picked up the BDA2 and BDP2 on Friday. They sound fantastic, to the point where I think I will sell my CD player.
The guys at HiFi Centre lent me a Transparent Reference cable to try with RCA style connectors. It is plugged into the “SPDIF OUT” via a RCA adaptor on the back of the BDP2. Is there a sonic advantage to using the AES/EBU connections?
Thanks James,
Tim
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From: Tim McDermott
Sent: October-07-13 1:11 PM
To: James Tanner
Subject: RE: BDP2 Network
Hello James,
I picked up the BDA2 and BDP2 on Friday. They sound fantastic, to the point where I think I will sell my CD player.
The guys at HiFi Centre lent me a Transparent Reference cable to try with RCA style connectors. It is plugged into the “SPDIF OUT” via a RCA adaptor on the back of the BDP2. Is there a sonic advantage to using the AES/EBU connections?
Thanks James,
Tim
Hi Tim
The AES connection is a fully balanced connection and it also has twice the voltage swing of the other type of connections which the receiving devices really seem to like. I would recommend using AES EBU if you can but make sure the CABLE is 110 ohms.
james
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Dear Chris,
Thank you for the DSD playback you made possible for me tonight.
You do your job very well.
Good night!
Yours. Dario.
Inviato da iPhone
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Yes, Chris does do his job very well indeed.
Has helped me over the last week with setting up my BDP-2,DBPoweramp,gigabit switch,Ext Seagate(2Terrabyte),last but not least my friggin router.
I gotta say if it wasn't for guys like Chris around to help guys like me that really don't understand all this digital wording ect and setup,
we would be screwed big time.I 'd be still manually changing cd's.
Everything now works like a charm as now totally comfy with DBpoweramp and pretty much with Bryston Max(close).
Should add,I'm really liking the sound of BDP-2 and BDA-2 combo,thanks again Chris :thumb:.
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Hello James/ Chris
Just updated the BDP-1 (S/N 000050) to 1.73 firmware.
It's working ok but getting output via the USB interface seems unintuitive.
I have an Accuphase DAC with USB input - compatible with USB2 specs - the Apple Mac has no problem identifying it, nor does an Antipodes Audio DS2 Server (Linux based system).
But the BDP-1 seems not see the Accuphase DAC. I'm using MPD version 0.172 at present.
Main reason for the query is that I only have one SP/Diff input that is used by the FM tuner, so it would be nice to have the BDP-1 hooked up to the USB input.
Any clues? Special script ?
Thanks in advance
Louis Hissink, NSW Australia
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Connected BDP-2 to Exasound e20 DAC, using USB, sound not working. Updated to latest firmware S1.73
Any help please?
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Plug the USB DAC in via... well USB, turn the DAC on, then turn on the BDP. The BDP will only add the USB DAC to its list of known output devices if it see's it upon startup.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hello Chris,
Thanks for the quick reply.
It should be pretty straight forward connecting the Exa E20 DAC via USB. Unplugged everything, connect exa via usb again(tried any of the 6 usb). Start Exa, start BDP-2, initializing...... scan the thumb drive and hit Play, still no sound.. :scratch:
Is there any software needed to be installed or something? In windows PC it is required to install an ASIO driver for the DAC to work. It seems it is not recognizing the Exa. Normally if there is any signal detected by the exa, the file resolution will be shown on exa's display i.e. 24/192 or DSD. In this case its blank/nothing.
Any body out there with Exa E20 connected to BDP-2 via USB with sound working or even detecting Exa?
Maybe I miss something here. :duh:
Thanks a lot for any help.
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Can somebody please help me? I don't know what to do anymore. BDP-2 does not recognized my Exasound E20 DAC even though I follow Mr Chris advice.
I am not sure if I could use any other connection since Exa don't have AES and the spdif is different from BDP-2?
Only USB connection for me.
I really appreciate any help from you guys.
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Hi Folks,
Check out the latest review on the Bryston BDA2 and BDP2 combo in the November issue of Hi-Fi News and Record Review Magazine in the UK.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89852)
james
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Just got my new BDP-1 yesterday and thought I would post some initial impressions. I've been wanting to buy some sort of music server/streaming solution for quite some time primarily for the convenience. Despite all the glowing reviews on AudioCirlce, I wasn't quite prepared for how much better the BDP-1 sounds than my old setup where I was sending the digital out of my CD player to my external dac via SPDIF. It's not a subtle difference with virtually every aspect of performance improved. What I notice most are the improved dynamics. A couple times I had to run for my remote to turn the volume down! So far, all my listening has been done with a thumb drive. Today I hope to try out a USB hard drive.
The BDP-1 was also surprisingly easy to setup. I say surprisingly because I was completely confused reading all the posts on AudioCircle. I'm using an iPad Mini running MPad to control the BDP-1. I'm really happy with MPad as it seems to have every function I want and works smoothly and efficiently. I'd say that if you've been contemplating the purchase of either a BDP-1 or 2 to take plunge. I don't think you'll regret the decision, and like myself, you'll probably wish you'd done it sooner.
I do have a few questions, but I'll post them in a more appropriate thread.
Thanks to Bryston and James Tanner for such a great product.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=98630)
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Just updated the firmware on the BDP-1 to 1.75 - one minor bug in the Max2 interface, the top LH transport buttons - clicking the "play" icon does not result in it changing to the "stop" icon. So if there is no sound, you don't know whether it's playing or not.
Previous firmware was a bit buggy, by the way, but the latest seems to have fixed it.
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From: WAYNE
Date: June 6, 2014 at 2:39:24 PM EDT
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Hello Mr. Tanner,
I confess to a bit of sticker shock when I first heard the price of the SP3 to replace a Proceed Surround Processor which gave had given up its ghost. I inherited an amazing audio system which included Wilson Audio Watt/Puppies, a Cub, and Watch Surround Speakers. I had purchased a Bryston BDA-2 to replace a Mark Levingston CD Transport which was the first component from that system to go. With the SP3 in the mix and a great deal of care in speaker placement I have…
…NEVER HEARD SOUND THIS GOOD…
… live or via playback! It really is quite remarkable. I have no regrets for the money spent on the Bryston components.
Thanks, and best regards,
Wayne Williams
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Here is another review on the BDP-2
Notes from The Old Audio Guy
Thoughts on the Bryston BDP-2
My initiation into the digitized music world has not been an easy one. Growing up with vinyl LPs and cassettes ifyou can believe it – digital for me was really just the skill set required to put a record on the turntable or push theplay button on the Akai 760D. After a disastrous and costly fling with a batch of pricey British streamers that just never sounded “right” to me, Idecided to “think globally but shop locally” and was introduced to the Canadian engineered and manufacturedBryston BDP-2. I will save you the trouble of looking at the end of this review by telling you now that the Bryston does sound rightto me. In fact it sounds “more right” than any of my vinyl (we will leave cassettes for another time) and better thanmy CD oriented front end of $15k components.
The BDP-2 hits all the notes. It is eminently affordable (by audiophile standards it is a bargain) but nowhere canone see any evidence of cost cutting. The casework and controls are beautifully made and everything works at thelevel of an Omega watch. The BDP-2 does not flaunt itself and is not really “audio Jewellery” but is quietly elegantand totally reliable in operation. Bryston’s record of reliability is unmatched in the audio world. Music played through the Bryston sounds natural and encompassing. It sounds like music and not like Hi-Fi eventhough all of the Hi-Fi triggers are there. It images better than anything I have had in my system. Tonality isaccurate and unforced – the control over the bottom end of things is especially tight and tuneful. There isabsolutely no indication that this piece is “digital” in any way. The sound is organic and is easily as good andholistic as anything I have heard from a class A turntable.
The BDP-2 reminds me of another smartly engineered, self –effacing item that is likely better than it needs to beand seems built to work forever – the Swiss Army Knife. The Bryston has outputs (SPDIF, AES/EBU, Optical) that will accommodate themselves to pretty well any DAC onechooses to use it with- though the matching Bryston BDA-2 is a natural choice. The front mounted USB inputsmake playing music from a USB stick easy. In the rear more USB inputs allow connection of USB sticks or portablehard drive devices. It has 2 Ethernet inputs rather than one (I still have not figured out if using both of themimproves anything – I will have to ask Mr. Tanner from Bryston) – and in keeping with its timely updating from theBDP-1 the Ethernet is now Gigabit rather than 10 Base 100. This is a huge improvement as the BDP-2 not only playsmusic from an attached hard drive but will stream from a NAS across your network. With Gigabit bandwidth thestreaming is as good as the playback from attached drive – there are no latency issues - and uploading operationsare much faster than anything I have tried before.
Accessing it on your Apple device – either iPad or Pod is convenient and elegant using an inexpensive app calledMPad. If you are PC centric Bryston has their own PC based access to the BDP2 which while not as mature andswooshy as the Apple based software is functional and reliable. It also works with the stand alone Bryston remoteor from the front panel controls on the BDP-2 itself.
I love this piece and I have purchased my demo sample, replacing the pricey British streamers and the tuneful butinput restricted Moon 180 Mind in my system. It has changed the way I interface with my music and makes theplayback process transparent and easy leaving one’s mind open to appreciate the music. Which is the whole pointof Hi-Fi in the first place.
FIVE STARS!
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDA-2 and BDP-2 Review
July 2014
Hi Folks,
Review on the Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player and BDA-2 DAC combo :thumb:
http://www.av2day.com/2014/05/bryston-bdp-2-digital-media-player-bda-2-dac-combo/
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Ordered the BDP-2 yesterday. Upgraded the BDA-1 about a year ago to the BDA-2..... time to upgrade my BDP-1 to the BDP-2. I'll move the BDP-1 to the home theater.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player
July 2014
The Bryston won every A/B test with the expensive Audio Aero Player using the same (also expensive) DAC!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102078)
Hidden away in Ste Sauveur, I am here with Jim from Tenor Audio listening off centre stage — and not missing three-dimensional imagery.
A newly installed (connected) Bryston BDP-2 Digital player on the shelf; Audio Aero player preamp and WLM crossovers also visible.
Nice stuff here . . . .
Ernie Fisher
Inner Ear Magazine
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Hi James,
I just received my bdp2 and got it installed. This thing never ceases to amaze me! I had previously altered my system and my Mac Mini running Audirvana was sounding really awesome again. But the BDP is just clearly superior...and that's after only 10 minutes of use! Who buys a CD player anymore?! ;)
Anyway thanks again for your help. Oh and the speaker plugs was also a very nice gesture! They're not making a huge difference in my room (a difference none the less) but I plan on trying them in the store in as many configurations as possible.
Thanks!
James
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Re: BDA2 and BDP2 Reviews
BDA-2 and BDP-2 user thoughts.
I am new to owning Bryston gear, but not unfamiliar to the brand. First off, I am a techie, being a computer consultant by trade.
Prior to receiving my equipment, I began the 20+ year CD collection of ripping thru DBpoweramp software into my NAS. I also upgraded my home network to Gigabit switches to accommodate the Bryston gear.
...I'm still ripping as I write this, so far over 300 discs in non-compressed FLAC format.
The Bryston gear was easy to hookup. I used the AES/EBU connection with a Madrigal cable.
I have tried various interfaces now. Mpod(on a iPod), MPDroid(on a Samsung Note 2), Bryston Max/Mini(on PC, laptop, various smartphones and Windows 8 tablet), sevenMPC(for my Windows phone 8.1), and Gnome Music Player Client(GMPC) for PC.
Mpod I rate as a 8 out of 10
MPDroid as a 7 out of 10
Bryston as a 5 out of 10
sevenMPC as a 3 out of 10
GMPC as a 8 out of 10
After looking at the MPad video on Youtube, it looks like possibly the winner as far as MPD interfaces go. I am NOT an Apple lover, but they definitely have the best App for the job. I will probably eventually get an iPad Mini for this sole purpose. Each App has their benefits, and it has been fun just using them all.
The Bryston gear itself has exceptional sound quality out of the box(thank goodness no DAC shout), but I noticed as the hours tick by, there is a definite improvement. I first tried it without upsampling my music, but I have a preference to the upsampled sound. If DSD comes to the forefront I will just add another DAC to the BDP-2. Hopefully Bryston will have their own unit. Not sure if I will go for a BOT unit, as by the time it gets out to retail, I will probably have all my discs ripped.
Thanks Bryston for some great digital gear! I can't wait to see how the software matures.
Rod
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I just bought a second hand BDP-1 unit.
My plan was to free myself from plastic disks laying around my house without any loss in sound quality. I have a Wadia S7i CD Player so going beyond it's transport capabilities was a hard target. I always had doubts that any digital server on the market can even equal the CD Transport of the Wadia on playing ripped CDs. I tried to use Apple Mini and Macbook Pro as a transport with different programs such as Audirvana and Amara. They were great for simplicity but CD Playback of the Wadia was a bit better every time. I am a critical listener so I couldn't really get into this digital media server based system because of my fail attempts. I value the sound always more than how user friendly the system works.
That's why I bought BDP-1 second hand. I didn't want to loose money on it for just a blank shot. I thought I would end up with the same result as my Apple trials.
It was nothing like that. I was hoping to equal in sound quality but no BDP-1 definetely excelled over Wadia's transport. There was so much air between instruments, so much silence and certainty with the music. I was always a Wadia fan so I was depressed and excited at the same time. I still think Wadia's DAC is part of the equation in the great sound I am getting now but there is no comparison between BDP-1 and Wadia's transport. BDP-1 wins in every domain there is at evaluating hifi performance.
I can not get back from using BDP-1. It is impossible. Now my question is; can BDA win over my Wadia DAC. I still don't think it can but now I respect Bryston so much that I will try to find out the answer even if they are not on the same league in terms of price.
Components like BDP come one in ten years. I bought and sold maybe more that 50 components over my hifi adventure and BDP makes into top 3 in terms of most impact on my senses. And I'm talking only about sound quality not about how user friendly is to work with it instead of messing with CDs.
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hi, Skoti!
nice to read about your BDP-experience :D. it's just like James always says: the demo is everything!
happy listening,
al.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Review on BDP-2/BDA-2 Combo
September 2014
Hi Folks,
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=104869)
Review on the Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player and the BDA-2 DAC combination from AudioStream Magazine.
Please see link below:
http://www.audiostream.com/content/bryston-bda-2-and-bdp-2
My favourite comment:
For the final switch, I connected the BDA-2 DAC directly to my MacBook Pro (running Audirvana Plus) via USB and the differences without the BDP-2 in the picture were notable. First off bass response became much more diffuse and overall there was a lessing of the sense of fine grained resolution I got with the Bryston combo. Images were less distinct, tone colors were less distinct as well, and dynamics appeared to take a few steps in the wrong direction, becoming less snappy.
There's no question that the BDP-2 network player offers improved performance over the MacBook Pro in most important areas.
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To: James Tanner
Bryston Limited
From: Ray Smith
I received my BDP-1 on 09-30-2014 and it has proven to be one of the best audio investments I have ever made, not only with regard to sound quality, but also with regard to the significantly improved control of my two channel system.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=107143)
My two channel system consists of the following:
Teres Audio Model 255 turntable
Graham Phantom II tonearm
Ortofon MC Windfeld phono cartridge
Cary Audio CD 306 Professional Version SACD/CD/HDCD player
PS Audio PowerBase isolation platforms for turntable and SACD player
Black Diamond Racing isolation Pits and Mk IV Cones
Pass Labs XP-30 line level preamplifier
Pass Labs XP-25 phono preamplifier
Pass Labs X600.5 monoblock power amplifiers
AudioQuest Sky XLR interconnects
AudioQuest Everest speaker cables
AudioQuest LeoPard tonearm cable
PS Audio PerfectWave AC-12 power cords
PS Audio PerfectWave P-10 AC Regenerator
Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL loudspeakers (heavily modified)
Salamander Synergy Triple 30 audio credenza
I listen mostly to instrumental jazz. Listening evaluations are done with well recorded material and consists of describing the quality, size, and three dimensional placement of all sound images in the sound stage. Spatial maps are used to record positions of sound images and their relative size. The BDP-1 is connected to the DAC section of the Cary CD 306 Pro Version SACD player
There were significant differences in image weight, bass detail, bass weight and small improvements in overall clarity and detail as I went from the BPD-1. Playing ripped CD music files through the BDP-1/CD 306 PV combination resulted in music with deeper base, greater sound stage depth, and increased clarity and detail compared to playing the same music file from the original CD through the CD 306 PV. Apparently, bypassing the CD 306 PV's transport removes a significant amount of mechanical and electrical noise.
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Hi,
I'm considering a BDP and wondering if there's a difference in sonic quality between BDP-1 and BDP-2. I will use it with Chord QBD76HD DAC.
Thanks in advance,
Khin
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Hi,
I'm considering a BDP and wondering if there's a difference in sonic quality between BDP-1 and BDP-2. I will use it with Chord QBD76HD DAC.
Thanks in advance,
Khin
Hi Khin
The BDP-1 is no longer in production. just the BDP-2.
james
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Hi Khin
The BDP-1 is no longer in production. just the BDP-2.
james
Hi James,
Yes. I understand. The dealer near me still has a demo BDP-1 unit and I'm considering it as I do not need many features. I plan to just use it with thumb drives. But of course, sound quality comes first and I'd like to make sure I won't regret not getting the BDP-2.
Thanks,
Khin
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Hi James,
Yes. I understand. The dealer near me still has a demo BDP-1 unit and I'm considering it as I do not need many features. I plan to just use it with thumb drives. But of course, sound quality comes first and I'd like to make sure I won't regret not getting the BDP-2.
Thanks,
Khin
Hi Khin
The BDP1 and BDP2 use the same soundcard so they should sound very similar.
james
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Hi Khin
The BDP-1 is no longer in production. just the BDP-2.
james
What ever happened to the recently announced BDP-1USB? I see that it hasn't made it to the website site yet, is it still not yet for sale?
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What ever happened to the recently announced BDP-1USB? I see that it hasn't made it to the website site yet, is it still not yet for sale?
Hi
We start building them this week but are a lot more backordered than we thought.
james
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Hi Khin
The BDP1 and BDP2 use the same soundcard so they should sound very similar.
james
Thanks, James.
Finally join the BDP club. I picked up that demo BDP-1 yesterday and got it set up with MPOD using my iPhone. A couple of more questions..
1) What is the latest firmware for BDP-1? It's showing S1.6 2012-12-10. I did try the update link from Firmware page, but it's still the same.
2) I do not get album art or song art on MPOD. I have http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music typed in the URL box and refreshed the local cache many many times.
As for the audio quality, it's very satisfying. I have been using MacBook pro and AppleTV for my HT/2-ch system with Empirical Audio Synchromesh and a highly expensive digital cable (the cable does make a big difference for me). But BDP-1 just makes the music the way it is meant to sound like. To me, it sounds more coherent and timing is just right. Maybe this is what they call phase coherency. I'm not good at explaining with the audiophile terms, all I know is this is now very close to what I've been chasing for 2 years. Have to give up that versatile Apple interface though, which is very hard for me and resisted for a long time, but I feel it is all worth it once bdp-1 started playing music in my rig.
I guess, I'll be buying a bdp-2 soon and move the bdp-1 to the bedroom system. Btw, any info on bdp-3 release date?
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Thanks, James.
Finally join the BDP club. I picked up that demo BDP-1 yesterday and got it set up with MPOD using my iPhone. A couple of more questions..
1) What is the latest firmware for BDP-1? It's showing S1.6 2012-12-10. I did try the update link from Firmware page, but it's still the same.
2) I do not get album art or song art on MPOD. I have http://bryston-bdp-1.local/music typed in the URL box and refreshed the local cache many many times.
As for the audio quality, it's very satisfying. I have been using MacBook pro and AppleTV for my HT/2-ch system with Empirical Audio Synchromesh and a highly expensive digital cable (the cable does make a big difference for me). But BDP-1 just makes the music the way it is meant to sound like. To me, it sounds more coherent and timing is just right. Maybe this is what they call phase coherency. I'm not good at explaining with the audiophile terms, all I know is this is now very close to what I've been chasing for 2 years. Have to give up that versatile Apple interface though, which is very hard for me and resisted for a long time, but I feel it is all worth it once bdp-1 started playing music in my rig.
I guess, I'll be buying a bdp-2 soon and move the bdp-1 to the bedroom system. Btw, any info on bdp-3 release date?
Hi kzhtoo
1. There is much newer software available - email Gary at Bryston -gdayton@bryston.com
2. Not sure what could be going on there but Gary may be able to help. Recommend an IPAD if you want a more dedicated interface.
Glad you are enjoying the sound. I must get an email a week from customers that have been using very sophisticated computer systems and still find the BDP does a better job - especially in regards to your point on timing.
Enjoy!
james
PS - there will be 'NO'... BDP-3 - the BDP2 has plenty of computer power for many years to come.
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Hi kzhtoo
1. There is much newer software available - email Gary at Bryston -gdayton@bryston.com
2. Not sure what could be going on there but Gary may be able to help. Recommend an IPAD if you want a more dedicated interface.
Glad you are enjoying the sound. I must get an email a week from customers that have been using very sophisticated computer systems and still find the BDP does a better job - especially in regards to your point on timing.
Enjoy!
james
PS - there will be 'NO'... BDP-3 - the BDP2 has plenty of computer power for many years to come.
Thank you, James. I will contact Gary.
It's only been 2 days since I have bdp-1, but I can't praise it enough. I have no idea why I was so late to the party. :duh:
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I followed Gary's instruction and eventually was able to upgrade to S2.06 Manic Moose. It took awhile as it turned out I had to update the firmware 3 times (S1.6 -> S1.75 -> S2.05 -> S2.06). But the final result with MM is nothing short of impressive. It's a lot more versatile than S1.6. However, with the MPoD app, I still do not see the cover arts (MM is OK though, which tells me the cover arts files are where they should be).
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Hi James,
I posted a follow up review of my BDP-1 on the Polk Audio forum here:
http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/164845/bryston-bdp-1-digital-player-review
Ray
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I followed Gary's instruction and eventually was able to upgrade to S2.06 Manic Moose. It took awhile as it turned out I had to update the firmware 3 times (S1.6 -> S1.75 -> S2.05 -> S2.06). But the final result with MM is nothing short of impressive. It's a lot more versatile than S1.6. However, with the MPoD app, I still do not see the cover arts (MM is OK though, which tells me the cover arts files are where they should be).
The MPOD and MPAD software is very case sensitive when it comes to cover art. Folder will not work if it is looking for folder. Check your case details.
Biggeek
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=109835)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Dealer Feedback – New BDP-1USB Player
HI guys,
I just thought you should know that I have my new Bryston BDP-1 USB on the floor and sounding great!
It's important to note that we have never had a digital front end sound so amazing for so little cash. A customer could easily go out and buy a decent $500 USB DAC and partner it with the BDP-1USB for s street value of about $2000. I currently have it connected to a $900 USB power DAC and it's just awesome!
I have a lot of customer using dedicated PC/Macs for this purpose and I can now easily sway them.
Thanks again and keep up the solid work!
James
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Had my BDP2 for just over a week now and really impressed by the SQ into my Chord Hugo, compared to the fanless PC I was using previously.
Have been particularly impressed playing over USB, including DSD (1 and 2x) and DXD. I don't think it's made clear that the BDP can play the latter 2 formats (DoP on case of DSD)
Given that it sounds so good I wondered if there was anything special about the implementation of USB in the BDP? There seems to be quite fashion for having "audiophile" usb cards amongst computer audio devotees and I guess when the BDP 1USB comes out (I couldn't wait..) some potential customers will ask about the USB implementation compared to say a SoTM USB card.
Perhaps a welcome addition to MM would be the ability to configure individual usb ports - i.e. to turn off power if a device that draws no power (the Hugo for example) was attached (just as the SoTM card allows).
Whilst I can't say I've found it an improvement to date when using JRiver, I could imagine that a software option to upsample would also increase the attraction of the BDP in some circles - especially PCM to DSD.
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Our review of the BDP-1USB is now up on the Bryston web site :
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2015_03_Review_BDP1_USB.pdf
My MacBookPro & Audirvana has just been trounced !
Jan-Erik Nordoen
Magazine Son & Image
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I have just noticed some odd behaviour from my BDP-1.
Lately I have been having bad TV reception (digital tv) but couldn't quite work out why as I haven't really had problems before but by chance I just noticed the reception goes bad as soon as my BDP-1 is playing.
The BDP-1 sits on a shelf below my tv with other media and hifi gear and causes no interference if off or on but not playing, but as soon as a song is playing the tv goes bad? I have an indoor tv antenna that is about 6 feet from the BDP-1.
Any ideas? perhaps the BDP-1 is emitting some EMF waves while playing? the BDP-1 feeds into BDA-2 via AES/EBU, when using the BDA-2 with my PVR or bluray no problems occur.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Model T ON-WALL Speakers
February 2016
Hi Folks,
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Great review on the Bryston BDP-1 USB Digital Player and BDA-2 DAC.
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Favourite Quote:
"In fact, I'll go so far to say as the BDP-1/USB-BDA-2 combo produced the very best digital sound I've ever heard in my home system - and that's from a personal digital-audio history going back to the mid-1980s."
Ron Goldberg
LINK:
http://hiresaudiocentral.com/hrac-exclusive-gear-review-bryston-bdp-digital-audio-player/
James Tanner
V/P Bryston
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James,
Will you be exhibiting at AXPONA in Chicago this April? I don't have a dealer in the area and would like to see the BDP-2 in action.
Thanks,
Bruce
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James,
Will you be exhibiting at AXPONA in Chicago this April? I don't have a dealer in the area and would like to see the BDP-2 in action.
Thanks,
Bruce
Hi Bruce
No I am sorry we will not be at Axpona - we will be in Montreal in March.
Where are you located?
james
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Iowa. But I am willing to road trip.
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Iowa. But I am willing to road trip.
OK please email Gary and see if he can help with a closer dealer.
gdayton@bryston.com
james
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Email sent. Thanks for the quick response!