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Title: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 11 Nov 2017, 09:44 pm
This guy bought a bunch of cabinets from Epiphany Audio old stock.

https://spokane.craigslist.org/ele/d/audiophile-keeper-speaker/6368900567.html

Here is what I quoted him for the parts needed to build them out:

According to an exchange I had with Tang Band I can get a run of the woofers made with a 50 to 55 day lead time. I have to pay for them half down and the second half before they ship. After shipping, customs and duty I can sell you the woofers for $39 each. $1,560 per pair.

And I'll drop the price of the tweeters to $69 each. $2,898. per pair. I stock them and you can see them here: http://gr-research.com/grneo3.aspx

$300 for the crossover parts and plus $160 to add Platinum by-pass caps to the tweeter circuit. The Platinum caps were an additional upgrade.

A set of tube connectors is $59, and wiring is $75.

You'll also need 10 sheets of No Rez for each cabinet. They are $39 each.

The 2" flared ports are $6.00 each.

Everything is in stock except for the woofers. They have to be custom made and there are no other woofers that can be used.

If a group of you guys want to build these out then it is worth it for me to order the woofers. I also have a pair of the cabinets here and I have one other guy that owns a pair of cabinets that really wants to build them out. But I need to at least have a home for half of the 500 minimum order for the woofers or it won't be worth me having them made.

And these originally sold for $27,900 a pair.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: srclose on 11 Nov 2017, 10:52 pm
That is a killer deal.  I have always regretted selling the Epiphany line source.

Stephen
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Tyson on 11 Nov 2017, 10:54 pm
These are the best loudspeakers I have ever heard.  If I had space for them I'd snap them up in a second.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: nickd on 12 Nov 2017, 04:29 am
Best highs of any loudspeaker I have had in my listening room. Listening to Reference Recordings Coral recordings was mind blowing. Only time I ever heard distinct voices spread across the stage to that extent. Just crazy real. Even bested the mighty LS9 in upper treble resolution.

Wish I had the room, spare funds and time to build a pair out. Really sweet opportunity for a select few.  :thumb:
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Folsom on 12 Nov 2017, 04:45 am
I live in Spokane, if you are afraid of assembly.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: SoCalWJS on 12 Nov 2017, 12:58 pm
Best highs of any loudspeaker I have had in my listening room. Listening to Reference Recordings Coral recordings was mind blowing. Only time I ever heard distinct voices spread across the stage to that extent. Just crazy real. Even bested the mighty LS9 in upper treble resolution.

Wish I had the room, spare funds and time to build a pair out. Really sweet opportunity for a select few.  :thumb:
How did they compare to the LS9 with respect to bass?
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Will2 on 12 Nov 2017, 02:02 pm
What room dimensions are necessary for these to be effective?  My room has ceilings which are only about 8'10" high and is 26'x16'.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: S Clark on 12 Nov 2017, 03:05 pm
I have the LS9's.  They would work great in that room.  I'm sure the Epiphany's would work as well.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: gab on 12 Nov 2017, 03:16 pm
Danny - how many cabinets does the Spokane guy have? He indicates he only has 4 and is keeping a pair.

gab
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: SoCalWJS on 12 Nov 2017, 03:57 pm
Danny - how many cabinets does the Spokane guy have? He indicates he only has 4 and is keeping a pair.

gab
And it's not clear how much he wants for them either.

Danny, if I read your post correctly, you might have a pair for sale as well. How much would they be and what is the finish?
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: orientalexpress on 12 Nov 2017, 05:09 pm
If I start over,this is the speakers to get,I would fly down there ,and rent a uhaul truck drive back with it. :thumb:
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 12 Nov 2017, 06:02 pm
How did they compare to the LS9 with respect to bass?

They don't play as low as the LS-9's. They need subs to hit the bottom octave.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 12 Nov 2017, 06:03 pm
What room dimensions are necessary for these to be effective?  My room has ceilings which are only about 8'10" high and is 26'x16'.

That is just slightly larger than the room that they were designed in. So, no problem.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 12 Nov 2017, 06:04 pm
Danny - how many cabinets does the Spokane guy have? He indicates he only has 4 and is keeping a pair.

gab

He says he has four pair. And I have another customer that ended up with a pair as well. And he is really hoping that I place another order for more woofers. He wants to build his out.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 12 Nov 2017, 06:05 pm
And it's not clear how much he wants for them either.

Danny, if I read your post correctly, you might have a pair for sale as well. How much would they be and what is the finish?

Yes, I have a pair here in Rosewood. They are gorgeous.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: gab on 12 Nov 2017, 06:32 pm
I just got a text back from him. He has 4 cabinets (2 pairs) and is building one out right now. 3 are still unopened in their crate. He has a current offer of $1000 for a pair.

I asked him to weigh in here.

gab
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: gab on 12 Nov 2017, 06:57 pm
There needs to be more cabinets (or some woodworkers - you know who you are) for this deal to work out. Danny needs 250 minimum woofers he states above for it to make sense, 40 woofers per pair, that's ~6 pairs. But only one pair available from the seller in Spokane and he can't get any more of the NOS cabinets. Bummer - would love to see some new builds of these bad boys.

gab
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Folsom on 12 Nov 2017, 07:17 pm
You could order the cabinets from Salk I believe. They are not going to be bargain basement prices however.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: rgcards on 12 Nov 2017, 08:41 pm
Folsom will you build these out completely? Obviously for a fee
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: mlundy57 on 12 Nov 2017, 09:33 pm
There needs to be more cabinets (or some woodworkers - you know who you are) for this deal to work out. Danny needs 250 minimum woofers he states above for it to make sense, 40 woofers per pair, that's ~6 pairs. But only one pair available from the seller in Spokane and he can't get any more of the NOS cabinets. Bummer - would love to see some new builds of these bad boys.

gab

Unfortunately I won't be able to build any of these these. I have neither the help nor material handling equipment needed to build and finish cabinets this large and heavy.  :(

Somebody else maybe?

Mike
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: S Clark on 12 Nov 2017, 10:02 pm
Mike, you've got the vacuum bag that will fit it.  What about veneered flat packs with solid wood corners?
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: mlundy57 on 12 Nov 2017, 10:28 pm
Mike, you've got the vacuum bag that will fit it.  What about veneered flat packs with solid wood corners?

Scott,

That might be doable. I'd need to experiment some to make sure it would look OK. Might be better off using a contrasting wood for the corners rather than trying to match the veneer.

Another approach would be to have a local cabinet maker build them. That would save on shipping.

Mike
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 12 Nov 2017, 10:29 pm
I just got a text back from him. He has 4 cabinets (2 pairs) and is building one out right now. 3 are still unopened in their crate. He has a current offer of $1000 for a pair.

I asked him to weigh in here.

gab

I don't know how he'd build a pair out without the drivers. Nothing else uses that same frame to even fit the holes. And I had to design those woofers to have the right impedance (in their groups) and right sensitivity to match the line of tweeters. Plus I priced out the tweeters for less than they could be purchased anywhere else.  :scratch:
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: 2bigears on 12 Nov 2017, 11:14 pm
 :D are these more than normal ceiling height ,, 8' ?   :D I have a little home .... :)
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Vagran_t on 13 Nov 2017, 04:29 am
I don't know how he'd build a pair out without the drivers. Nothing else uses that same frame to even fit the holes. And I had to design those woofers to have the right impedance (in their groups) and right sensitivity to match the line of tweeters. Plus I priced out the tweeters for less than they could be purchased anywhere else.  :scratch:

Hi everyone, I'm the owner of the cabinets in question. Hi Danny :) I am building a Frankenstein pair for fun and as a learning experience. I got a deal on some drivers that fit the cabinets but not perfectly. I have them wired in series/parallel to achieve around a 16 ohm load. I haves wired the tweeters I ordered yet and I haven't built the crossovers for my project. I'm just playing with one Tower right now but it hasn't been manipulated or damaged in any way for my project. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask me. I too hope someone can build these out to specifications because they're already impressive with my hack job. I'll post a couple pictures of what my project looks like so far. Go easy on me everyone I am very new to this and it is my first attempt at building a speaker...
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Vagran_t on 13 Nov 2017, 04:35 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171266)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171266)
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: gab on 13 Nov 2017, 03:36 pm
I don't know how he'd build a pair out without the drivers. Nothing else uses that same frame to even fit the holes. And I had to design those woofers to have the right impedance (in their groups) and right sensitivity to match the line of tweeters. Plus I priced out the tweeters for less than they could be purchased anywhere else.  :scratch:

Danny - he told me in a text message that he had 48 of the woofers and also had the tweeters and crossover parts on order. He showed a pic of the 20 woofers already installed. Where he got them or "what" they are I have no idea.

gab
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: gab on 13 Nov 2017, 03:37 pm
He weighed in while I was typing that last message. Now I can bow out of this thread.  :D

gab
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Nov 2017, 03:38 pm
:D are these more than normal ceiling height ,, 8' ?   :D I have a little home .... :)

They are a little over 7 feet tall.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 13 Nov 2017, 03:41 pm
Danny - he told me in a text message that he had 48 of the woofers and also had the tweeters and crossover parts on order. He showed a pic of the 20 woofers already installed. Where he got them or "what" they are I have no idea.

gab

I have some of the original woofers set back. I have been sitting on them for a while. Some of them have some paint flaking off of the frames, but it could be touched up.

If I sent you a pic it was an older pic with woofers installed. This pair that I have is still new in the box.

If you got a text message then it wasn't from me. I only e-mail.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: gab on 13 Nov 2017, 05:14 pm
I have some of the original woofers set back. I have been sitting on them for a while. Some of them have some paint flaking off of the frames, but it could be touched up.

If I sent you a pic it was an older pic with woofers installed. This pair that I have is still new in the box.

If you got a text message then it wasn't from me. I only e-mail.

Danny - I was referring to Vagran_t  the seller in Spokane. I texted him from the craigslist ad and was just passing on some info from him until he weighed in on this thread. Sorry for any confusion.

gab
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: rollo on 13 Nov 2017, 05:42 pm
This guy bought a bunch of cabinets from Epiphany Audio old stock.

https://spokane.craigslist.org/ele/d/audiophile-keeper-speaker/6368900567.html

Here is what I quoted him for the parts needed to build them out:

According to an exchange I had with Tang Band I can get a run of the woofers made with a 50 to 55 day lead time. I have to pay for them half down and the second half before they ship. After shipping, customs and duty I can sell you the woofers for $39 each. $1,560 per pair.

And I'll drop the price of the tweeters to $69 each. $2,898. per pair. I stock them and you can see them here: http://gr-research.com/grneo3.aspx

$300 for the crossover parts and plus $160 to add Platinum by-pass caps to the tweeter circuit. The Platinum caps were an additional upgrade.

A set of tube connectors is $59, and wiring is $75.

You'll also need 10 sheets of No Rez for each cabinet. They are $39 each.

The 2" flared ports are $6.00 each.

Everything is in stock except for the woofers. They have to be custom made and there are no other woofers that can be used.

If a group of you guys want to build these out then it is worth it for me to order the woofers. I also have a pair of the cabinets here and I have one other guy that owns a pair of cabinets that really wants to build them out. But I need to at least have a home for half of the 500 minimum order for the woofers or it won't be worth me having them made.

And these originally sold for $27,900 a pair.


 A no brainer if you DIY. KABOOM for the buck.


charles
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Will2 on 18 Nov 2017, 04:24 pm
Sorry if this is an ignorant question but I was wondering where or how I can find the updates on if the full kit is available to build out these cabinets or not.  Thanks!
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 18 Nov 2017, 04:36 pm
Sorry if this is an ignorant question but I was wondering where or how I can find the updates on if the full kit is available to build out these cabinets or not.  Thanks!

There was never a kit available for these. They were a commercial product that I designed for a client quite a few years ago.

The cabinets being made available were left over stock from the company Epiphany Audio.

So I have offered to make available everything needed to build them out. But I need a commitment from the guys that buy the cabinets that they will want to build them out. To get any of the woofers made again I will need to order 500 units as a minimum production run. It is quite a financial commitment only worth it if everyone that buys cabinets commit to ordering the drivers needed to build them out. 
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Folsom on 18 Nov 2017, 07:38 pm
It's possible for me to have aluminum cabinets made locally. But for perspective they would become pretty expensive, quickly. At that point they become a commercial product again, and wouldn't be cheaper than the original.

I met up with the seller, nice guy. Hope these happen  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 19 Nov 2017, 08:04 pm
It's possible for me to have aluminum cabinets made locally. But for perspective they would become pretty expensive, quickly. At that point they become a commercial product again, and wouldn't be cheaper than the original.

I met up with the seller, nice guy. Hope these happen  :icon_lol:

It is possible, but that would be really expensive and super heavy.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Folsom on 19 Nov 2017, 11:30 pm
Shipping would be about the same! But expense becomes competitive with bigger Magico speakers.
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Post by: Folsom on 28 Nov 2017, 09:31 pm
Vin, in Spokane, has reduced his price.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 28 Nov 2017, 09:33 pm
You guys need to jump on these and I'll help you build out some Epiphany 20/21's for a fraction of what they sold for.
Title: Re: A great deal on big line sources.
Post by: Danny Richie on 15 Jan 2018, 09:15 pm
Who wants to build out a pair of 21/21's in Rosewood like these?

(http://gr-research.com/pics/bksys9.jpg)

I have 45 of the woofers in stock. Some have some paint flaking off of the frames and need a little touch up. I'll let the woofers go for $34 each. That's $1,530 for all the woofers that I have in stock.

And I'll drop the price of the tweeters to $69 each. That's $2,898. for all 42 of them. I stock them and you can see them here: http://gr-research.com/grneo3.aspx

$300 for the crossover parts and plus $160 to add Platinum by-pass caps to the tweeter circuit. The Platinum caps were an additional upgrade.

A set of tube connectors is $59, and wiring is $75.

You'll also need 10 sheets of No Rez for each cabinet. They are $39 each. $390 for No Rez.

The 2" flared ports are $6.00 each. $144 total for ports.

All parts for building out the pair of 20/21's comes to $5,556.00

The cabinets cost over $3,000 a pair to have made in quantities. This pair that is new and still in the boxes. I'll let them go for $1,000.

So $6,556 for everything you need to build out the pair (plus shipping).  Not bad. They retailed for $27,900.