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Industry Circles => ZenWave Audio => Topic started by: DaveC113 on 11 May 2015, 12:04 am
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EDIT: The sale is over, but I still offer the lowest prices possible PLUS free shipping and burn-in of GTX receptacles!
Please email me at dave at zenwaveaudio dot com or send me a pm here if you're interested. Thanks! :D
If you have any questions feel free to pm me or post in this thread.
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The GTX-D(R) receptacles have been restocked. I will be getting in more today and burning them all in... burn-in and shipping are still free! :D
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=124219)
I just did this install and its well worth the cost , great prices
GTX Wall Frame
GTX-D(R)
GTX 104 D
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I sent payment for my GTX-D(R).
Is the Furutech sale also for their other goodies like AC IEC Inlets, or Plugs?
Thx
Kenreau
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robin67, thanks for the pic! And welcome to Audio Circle... I'm honored your 1st (or 2nd) post was in one of my threads. :) I just got in the wall plate and cover with my new order of GTX receptacles and am super impressed with the quality. The wall plate is billet aluminum and the cover is stainless steel with carbon fiber overlaid, both are heavy weight and huge overkill. I am about to install the wall plate and cover in my own home, but will be upgrading wiring and installing a brand new breaker with them so I won't be able to tell exactly what the wall plate and cover do by themselves. However, I have been skeptical of Furutech's higher end carbon fiber/stainless steel offerings in the past and was totally wrong. Yes, their CF series connectors and GTX receptacles are pricey but they do make a BIG difference! I have no doubt the wall plate and cover will be worth it as well.
Ken, I'm about to print the postage and take your GTX receptacle to the post office. :thumb: Their other products are not included in the sale but for AC members I'll do a discount. :green:
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Hey Dave,
Those GTX-D (R) receptacles are awesome! There is something special it seems about this line from Furutech. Dave at PI Audio looked at a GTX-D under magnification and said the plating is flawless. Would this be the reason why they're so good?
What are you upgrading your wiring to? 12g Romex or something different?
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Hi Tom,
With the high end Furutech connectors every detail is really well thought out. The plating is the best I've seen anywhere, it is a near flawless mirror finish, and this is true even for their lower end products. Conductor material is their alpha copper for most high end products, and afaik the GTX is the only receptacle to use pure copper as it is too soft to maintain the springiness required, so Furutech added a stainless steel spring to the pure copper contacts. A lot of attention is given to vibration control as well, the stainless/carbon fiber used in the CF series connectors was chosen for it's damping properties. They even add damping material to the plastic used in most of their connectors including the GTX. The AC plugs also have grounding straps for the screws so any metal parts used in the plugs is grounded. The wire clamps are curved for better contact in their plugs, receptacles and IECs as well.
As for the wire, it'll probably be a 10g twisted pair with the ground run separate or counter-rotating around the L/N twisted pair, and with this cable assembly inside a conduit.
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With the high end Furutech connectors every detail is really well thought out. The plating is the best I've seen anywhere, it is a near flawless mirror finish, and this is true even for their lower end products. Conductor material is their alpha copper for most high end products, and afaik the GTX is the only receptacle to use pure copper as it is too soft to maintain the springiness required, so Furutech added a stainless steel spring to the pure copper contacts. A lot of attention is given to vibration control as well, the stainless/carbon fiber used in the CF series connectors was chosen for it's damping properties. They even add damping material to the plastic used in most of their connectors including the GTX. The AC plugs also have grounding straps for the screws so any metal parts used in the plugs is grounded. The wire clamps are curved for better contact in their plugs, receptacles and IECs as well.
Wow, that is a lot of attention to detail. I'm still dumbfounded at the improvement they bring...blacker background and crazy detail without any harshness or glare. I think they go hand in hand with your cables and come highly recommended.
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As for the wire, it'll probably be a 10g twisted pair with the ground run separate or counter-rotating around the L/N twisted pair, and with this cable assembly inside a conduit.
That's probably the best route, although real Southwire Romex® is very good. Some of the no-name romex may not be as good. You can use solid or flexible plastic conduit. As the twisted pair (Hot & Neutral) will reduce the external field. You can expect some comments from the electrician when you tell him what you want.
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Tom, I agree, these connectors are something special... of course it would be nice if they were more affordable but the GTX receptacles and FI-50 plugs in particular are the best of their kind by far. I also use the Furutech CF XLR plugs on the D4 XLR, they are great XLR plugs. I've had other comments that my modded SurgeX have a similar effect as my cables, the goal is simply to improve fidelity so this is a good thing! :)
SS, I do all my own work since I own my home. I've actually done custom industrial electric and mechanical design in the past when I used to do engineering consulting. Of course it's all approved by EEs and MEs with PEs :lol: ....as well as city inspectors. In those cases I had electricians do most of the work but I've built a multi-zone controller with over 50 KW going through it all controlled by a PLC I programmed myself. Good times but I prefer what I'm doing now... :D
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Here's a few pics of the parts (sorry for the fingerprints :green:):
Cover plate for the GTX-D receptacles. Notice with the 2nd pic it is made of stainless steel and covered with carbon fiber, the joining of the two dissimilar materials is what gives the Furutech CF parts their anti-resonant properties. It weighs 74 grams, pretty heavy weight!
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/Cables%208-14-13/05-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20005_zpsgpetcxxj.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/Cables%208-14-13/05-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20005_zpsgpetcxxj.jpg.html)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/Cables%208-14-13/06-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20008_zpsahh6neea.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/Cables%208-14-13/06-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20008_zpsahh6neea.jpg.html)
Wall Plate for the GTX receptacles. This is made of solid aluminum with black powdercoating and has a teflon gasket that is shown in the 1st pic. This is 274 grams, this plus the cover add a lot of mass to the assembly, which also helps control vibration.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/Cables%208-14-13/07-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20010_zpsd3p5ppdi.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/Cables%208-14-13/07-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20010_zpsd3p5ppdi.jpg.html)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/Cables%208-14-13/08-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20011_zpslsxulkea.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/Cables%208-14-13/08-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20011_zpslsxulkea.jpg.html)
And the GTX-D(R) receptacle its self!
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/Cables%208-14-13/09-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20012_zpssflqdsao.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/Cables%208-14-13/09-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20012_zpssflqdsao.jpg.html)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/Cables%208-14-13/10-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20013_zpsv52rytbp.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/Cables%208-14-13/10-Furutech%20GTX%20Horns%20Neotech%20Bolts%20013_zpsv52rytbp.jpg.html)
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I thought I added the pic of my install, but apparently not! Well, here it is. :)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/davec113/DSC08856_zpspvvaovfd.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/user/davec113/media/DSC08856_zpspvvaovfd.jpg.html)
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I thought I added the pic of my install, but apparently not! Well, here it is. :)
That would be some audiophile porn right there... :wink:
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That would be some audiophile porn right there... :wink:
Thanks! Gotta get the FI-50 plugs on there one of these days too! :icon_twisted:
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I mounted one "upside down" or upside right for the lettering on the it. I found it holds cables a little better, because these are a bit weaker than I would like. However it's a trade-off that I think is perfectly acceptable for a very nice improvement.
:thumb: These are much like copper connectors anywhere in the system, without a doubt they make a whole stereo smoother, less grain. Things sound more accurate, but I don't know how to explain it. Hospital grade receptacles are not on this level.
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Gentleman,
I want to pull the trigger on one, but is the Rhodium one the way to go? Most people seem to think so. Like everyone, I like more detail, but I can't live with brightness. I was thinking of getting the copper one, but it seems most people get the rhodium and have no problem. I have a Line Magnetic 518 tube integrated with high efficiency speakers.
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Gentleman,
I want to pull the trigger on one, but is the Rhodium one the way to go? Most people seem to think so. Like everyone, I like more detail, but I can't live with brightness. I was thinking of getting the copper one, but it seems most people get the rhodium and have no problem. I have a Line Magnetic 518 tube integrated with high efficiency speakers.
Go Rhodium.
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Go Rhodium.
I usually recommend the rhodium. It's not bright but if you want warm the gold plated version might be better for you.
I have rhodium in-stock and burned-in, ready to ship... gold would take about 10 days to order and burn-in.
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I mounted one "upside down" or upside right for the lettering on the it. I found it holds cables a little better, because these are a bit weaker than I would like. However it's a trade-off that I think is perfectly acceptable for a very nice improvement.
:thumb: These are much like copper connectors anywhere in the system, without a doubt they make a whole stereo smoother, less grain. Things sound more accurate, but I don't know how to explain it. Hospital grade receptacles are not on this level.
Yup, AFAIK these are the only pure copper receptacle on the market. They use a stainless spring for tension, so they could have made the grip stronger but the GTX is also designed not to scratch the plating on male plugs while hospital grade receptacles will definitely damage the plating on a male AC plug.
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Hi Dave do you have the wall frame ,cover outlet, and the single rhodium outlet available? Thanks,Paul
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Hi Paul, I don't keep them in stock but would be happy to order them for you. I don't think I can burn-in the single-outlet GTX receptacle though, that alone is reason enough to go with the double. Burn-in will take a month or so using your system every day. Or, temporarily plug your fridge into it for a month, that would work.
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Gentleman,
I want to pull the trigger on one, but is the Rhodium one the way to go? Most people seem to think so. Like everyone, I like more detail, but I can't live with brightness. I was thinking of getting the copper one, but it seems most people get the rhodium and have no problem. I have a Line Magnetic 518 tube integrated with high efficiency speakers.
I run a Line Magnetic 518 with Daedalus speakers. I now have Dave's power cords with the rhodium Furutech carbon plugs on all system components, and also all GTX rhodium duplex outlets for the system. They are the pinnacle of refinement and allow you to hear your system components without any added sound, IMO. They just get out of the way. If you're hearing something bright after converting over, look to something else in your system as the cause. It ain't the outlet...
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I agree rhodium is the way to go, but some do like a bit of warmth, which the gold provides, also some are liking the gold for power amps.
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I like mine so much I mentioned it in my "recommended parts" section for my DIY amplifier, as something that will help you fully attain the performance the amp can give.
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If the cable male prongs are gold plated over copper it is not a bad idea to use the gold Furutech. It kind of keeps to the same sound structure of the cable and even amp IEC prongs (if they are gold too). It doesn't have to be that way though. I am currently using my rhodium for my amp but I prefer my gold. I don't think brighter means more detail, just brighter.
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I have all Furutech Gold/Copper IEC's, Binding Posts, and RCA Jacks on my tube amps and pre. Before they had all gold/brass connectors. I noticed a VERY nice improvement in clarity doing this.
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hi- dave is the new GTX-D NFC (R)- On sale also- Have you had a chance to compare to the std, GTX rodium- thks-
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hi- dave is the new GTX-D NFC (R)- On sale also- Have you had a chance to compare to the std, GTX rodium- thks-
I have not tried the NFC, and being new, it's not on sale. Price is $260.
paul79, you might want to try some rhodium, you'll get more detail. I think it's fine to mix gold and rhodium plated parts to taste, never seen galvanic corrosion or anything be an issue... especially the FP-901 RCA jacks, those and all the AC components are great in rhodium imo.
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UPDATE:
The new Furutech GTX NCF receptacles are here at Furutech USA!
Please let me know if you are interested, I'll be putting in an order shortly. As always, you get the best price possible PLUS free burn-in and shipping!
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UPDATE:
The new Furutech GTX NCF receptacles are here (due in this week) at Furutech USA!
Dave -- you're gonna compare the NCF to the Rhodium version and let us know your thoughts, right?
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Dave -- you're gonna compare the NCF to the Rhodium version and let us know your thoughts, right?
Yes, I have several sets of FI-50 NCF AC/IEC plugs on order and am waiting to see if anyone wants any of the GTX NCF before I place an order later this week.
To be absolutely clear, the NCF is only available in rhodium plating. The NCF (Nano Crystal Formula) parts use tourmaline powder for it's piezoelectric properties.
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Wall Plate: $120 :roll: :lol:
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Wall Plate: $xxx :roll: :lol:
That's what I thought at first! I had a hard time with the high prices of the GTX, FI-50, etc ...but the plate is something like inch thick powdercoated billet aluminum and the cover is stainless steel wrapped in carbon fiber. You only need one to supply your entire system. For the difference in sound quality I believe the GTX with wall plate and cover are well worth it. I think everyone who has tried these products has been happy they did without exception, so that's saying something. I believe you can trust Furutech to deliver on their claims, and they do make some high value affordable options as well.
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Hi Dave , I would love one. I really appreciate the " burn in " offer also. My system is all tubes, so 200 hours just kills me. Thanks for the killer deal.
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Alright, I'll put the needle in my arm...again.
I sent you a message Dave.
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Thanks guys! I look forward to see what you think....
Order will be placed end of this week... if anyone else is interested in this deal let me know, it's the cheapest Furutech allows me to sell the receptacles and adding burn in + shipping should make it the best deal available.
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Hi Guys,
So I just got a call from Furutech that I've been reported by one of my competitors for selling below authorized cost. Wonder who that was? :lol: :nono: The truth is the sale was authorized when the thread was started but is now over and I did not receive any notifications that it is over. For those who want the GTX NCF receptacles I did not offer them below allowed cost and the deal stands. If anyone else is interested please let me know.
However, for all the other products I am currently selling them below the lowest cost allowed by Furutech and I will go through the thread and take down pricing information. I will still offer the best deal I possibly can, and like always I will burn-in all receptacles for free. To be honest, there isn't going to be a huge difference between the old and new prices, but the sale is OVER.
Please PM me or send me an email at dave@zenwaveaudio.com for more information on Furutech receptacles and other parts.
Regards,
Dave
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Welcome to the world of modern HiFi. It is such a joke anymore the way these dealers and modern day consumers operate. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the person that reported you isn't selling them for little more than cost. Just look at AudioGon. That place is full of people third partying dealer items as used or demo or this or that... Makes me sick to see what it has come to.
I am dealer for several items, and I can't sell any of it because of the competition and my insistence on integrity. Naive to think one won't undercut to make a sale. EVERYBODY is doing it, and that is just the way it is. There is retail, then there is "the street price" of which is determined by the consumer at this point.
To further, I got a call the other day, and the guy asked for pricing on a certain item. He then went on to say that he could get it elsewhere for such and such... I just hung up the phone.
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Welcome to the world of modern HiFi. It is such a joke anymore the way these dealers and modern day consumers operate. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the person that reported you isn't selling them for little more than cost. Just look at AudioGon. That place is full of people third partying dealer items as used or demo or this or that... Makes me sick to see what it has come to.
I am dealer for several items, and I can't sell any of it because of the competition and my insistence on integrity. Naive to think one won't undercut to make a sale. EVERYBODY is doing it, and that is just the way it is. There is retail, then there is "the street price" of which is determined by the consumer at this point.
To further, I got a call the other day, and the guy asked for pricing on a certain item. He then went on to say that he could get it elsewhere for such and such... I just hung up the phone.
Yup, what's happening is official dealers are selling parts to other businesses for just over cost and they in-turn are selling them for less than the lowest authorized prices allowed by the brand.
I am actually happy Furutech takes this seriously, they make great products and it's not fair to them or to their honest dealers when others sell for below allowed costs.
I've actually decided not to carry certain products from other brands because of this issue.
The other issue is counterfeit and copy-cat products. Furutech's FI-50 stainless/carbon connectors are a great example. Other brands are making nearly identical (in looks) parts, and some cable companies are actually using them. The counterfeit business is a huge problem for many different industries and I hope this can be solved somehow, it funnels a lot of cash from the original designer and their dealers straight into criminal's hands.