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Community => Regional Audiophiles => Gateway Audio Society => Topic started by: drummerwill on 6 Feb 2016, 06:28 pm
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I've got three of these things and I love the two that are working.. I want something of newer Tech,
That can do what my Squeezebox does !
Run a music library wirelessly from my computer ; play Pandora (wireless ) ; can play Radio stations
; all with Optical or RCA stereo outputs that can drive my amplifiers.
Does anyone have any suggestions..?
Thanks
Willie
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Auralic Aries Mini
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Willie,
Check out this Sonore Sonic Orbiter device that just came out:
http://www.sonicorbiter.sonore.us/
There is a Sonore forum on Audiocircle, and lots of info on the device on computeraudiophile.com forums.
For wireless you would need additionally need to add some kind of wireless bridge or powerline adapter.
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I second on the Auralic Aries Mini. $550 with a years free Tidal subscription. Ipad and iphone control only. Best sounding streamer at its respective price point. We are selling lots of them.
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I replaced a dead Squeezebox player with a Raspberry Pi - about $60 on Amazon for all you need - and PiCorePlayer software. Works great for me.
https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home
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You could also use Sonos.
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Drummerwill,
What is your budget for this device?
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About the same as a new SB was $200-$300 !
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Willie,
What is it that you do not like about the Touch you currently have?
-James
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Have you considered purchasing a new DAC for $200 to $300; bypassing the DAC in the SBT but retaining the streaming functions? So what I suggest is: Touch => new DAC => preamp => amp
You still get to use the SBT for wireless streaming, radio, etc., and get the benefits of a newer DAC's capabilities. Just a thought.
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+1
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Does it need a DAC? The Audioengine B1 works for limited resolution.
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I replaced a dead Squeezebox player with a Raspberry Pi - about $60 on Amazon for all you need - and PiCorePlayer software. Works great for me.
https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home
I second this! Get a Raspberry pi 2 B and a HIFiBerry Digi+ and you will have the makings of a awesome digital player. Couple this with the Rune Audio software and you are set. Let me know if you need any pointers.
Gavin
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SB Touch with Enhanced Digital Output + good DAC = all you need. There is technical support beyond Logitech with software updates, plug-ins, and hacks. I expect mine (I have 3) to run for a while :D
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I second on the Auralic Aries Mini. $550 with a years free Tidal subscription. Ipad and iphone control only. Best sounding streamer at its respective price point. We are selling lots of them.
Taking the Tidal subscription into account, the Aries Mini hit's your price point for hardware alone. Others have pointed out some of the worthy alternatives, but the Aries Mini's user accessible internal drive bay shouldn't be underestimated in it's value.
Even if you have a NAS.
In my use case, I installed a 1TB SSD containing my 24 bit music. These size of these files makes them susceptible to WiFi performance issues - no issue stored locally though. Wired ethernet introduces a slew of noisy gremlins to track down which I'm less inclined to tolerate with high resolution files.
I've had either a NAS or server full of music for well over 15 years. Dipped my toes in the streaming pond many times with many devices. The Aries mini is the first device that I'm going to keep and (very likely) use more than disc based playback.
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I 3rd the Raspberry Pi idea. Using one to replace a Touch. Run piCorePlayer on it and your Logitech Media Server PC thinks the Pi is just another squeezebox. Sound quality much better than the Touch.
Many here would be willing to help if needed. No Linux knowledge needed at all.
I can do 24/192 via coax, optical and USB, and also 2X DSD via USB.
For well under $100.
And it gives you incredible flexibility in upsampling/filtering options.
If you get tired of piCorePlayer you can break free from the Logitech Media Sever environment and try many other players (Rune, Volumio, Moode...)
I'm playing w/ Moode now, just to try it instead of piCorePlayer.
EZ peazey and I know nada about Linux.
Unless you like spending more $$ than you need to...
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Can the Raspberry Pi be used with a Mac Mini?
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Can the Raspberry Pi be used with a Mac Mini?
Absolutely. The Pi is a computer. All you are using your Mac for is to login to the Web UI. Check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmeUxk14vCc
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I 3rd the Raspberry Pi idea. Using one to replace a Touch. Run piCorePlayer on it and your Logitech Media Server PC thinks the Pi is just another squeezebox. Sound quality much better than the Touch.
Many here would be willing to help if needed. No Linux knowledge needed at all.
I can do 24/192 via coax, optical and USB, and also 2X DSD via USB.
For well under $100.
And it gives you incredible flexibility in upsampling/filtering options.
If you get tired of piCorePlayer you can break free from the Logitech Media Sever environment and try many other players (Rune, Volumio, Moode...)
I'm playing w/ Moode now, just to try it instead of piCorePlayer.
EZ peazey and I know nada about Linux.
Unless you like spending more $$ than you need to...
So piCorePlayer supports DSD huh? There seem to be a lot of people trying to get Rune to work with it.
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Can the Raspberry Pi be used with a Mac Mini?
For the Mac user who isn't specifically interested in a SBT replacement, these may be helpful:
http://www.hifizine.com/2015/10/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-1/
http://www.hifizine.com/2016/02/pifi-how-to-network-your-mac-music-system-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-hifiberry-part-2/
(Sorry, this does seem to be going off-topic...)
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I just zipped through the comments section of https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/comments and did not see comments referencing my next question.
Can I use TIDAL with the Raspberry Pi?
I'm reading more about Raspberry Pi, and about Rune, but it'll take some time before I get up to speed, I think.
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You are thinking about it wrong. The RPi is (as someone said) just a computer, what is important is what software you can run on it. As a default position you can use the RPi as an Airplay endpoint and stream Tidal (or anything) to it from your Mac.
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Do you want it to have a touch screen? Yes? Options limited.
No. Any computer that can Run LMS software + a tablet or phone as control point.
You can even use an inexpensive Cubox, old PC or laptop.
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I called the guys at Oppo to ask them about the "rendering" function of their 103 and 105. He mentioned 2 different forms. I think one was DMR and the other I cannot remember what he called it.
How would these work to replace something like the Squeezebox?
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When Logitech got out of the biz, I sold my two Touch's and my Duet on eBay for a small fortune and bought a Sonos setup (Bridge+Connects+Play 1). No complaints.
BTW, has anyone subscribed to the Berlin Philharmonic streaming live concerts using their Oppo Blu-Ray / Network player ? Holy cats is it good. Audio and HD Video.
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When Logitech got out of the biz, I sold my two Touch's and my Duet on eBay for a small fortune and bought a Sonos setup (Bridge+Connects+Play 1). No complaints.
BTW, has anyone subscribed to the Berlin Philharmonic streaming live concerts using their Oppo Blu-Ray / Network player ? Holy cats is it good. Audio and HD Video.
I was not aware of this service. Thank you very much for the link. I will give it a try.
Michael
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Michael,
A late reply to your Tidal question but I didn't see another comment-
I use Tidal on my Pi no problem, via the regular Logitech Media Server Plug-in. You don't need ickstream anymore it seems.
With piCorePlayer on the Pi, you can also upsample Tidal to whatever you want, and play with filtering etc.
Way cool and way easy.
I'm probably going to add a second Pi attached to my dac - 1 for HQPlayer via USB for the he-man listening experience and one as a Touch-substitute for internet radio and Tidal running piCorePlayer via the Hifiberry digi+ via spdif coax.
And likely add more Pis around the house to replace my duets, of which a few are already gathering dust.
-Mike
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Hey Willie,
I use a simple PC (Gateway, Windows 10, free JRiver 14 Media Jukebox, DAC of your choice) with 1 TB of onboard space, and an external 1 TB drive for backup. The PC doesn't have a lot of tasks running at all times, it never stutters, and it's stripped down and running as a music-first server. I bought it used and with virgin Windows 10 installed. It has Windows Defender so I can visit the web without fear of virus. I also keep CD copies of stuff I might want to leave somewhere, if perhaps someone likes my program material.
JRiver's a good basic player with lots of customizable features, always free, and it looks awesome on a 55" screen directly between the speakers from a good 12 feet away.
Wireless mouse and keyboard are your friends, as well as the remote that gives you cable or satellite. All-in-one, brother.
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When it's time to replace my squeezebox, I will look at Bluesound. If you are interested in compatibility with MQA when (if) it comes online, this might be your best bet. I don't have one myself, but I've used it and the GUI is nice on a tablet. The integration with Tidal was pretty seamless. http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/products/node-2/ (http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/products/node-2/) http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/news-en-us/2016/bluesound-announces-mqa-partnership-at-ces-2016/ (http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/news-en-us/2016/bluesound-announces-mqa-partnership-at-ces-2016/)
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Michael,
A late reply to your Tidal question but I didn't see another comment-
I use Tidal on my Pi no problem, via the regular Logitech Media Server Plug-in. You don't need ickstream anymore it seems.
With piCorePlayer on the Pi, you can also upsample Tidal to whatever you want, and play with filtering etc.
Way cool and way easy.
I'm probably going to add a second Pi attached to my dac - 1 for HQPlayer via USB for the he-man listening experience and one as a Touch-substitute for internet radio and Tidal running piCorePlayer via the Hifiberry digi+ via spdif coax.
And likely add more Pis around the house to replace my duets, of which a few are already gathering dust.
-Mike
I have a Squeezebox Classics (3) going into an external C.I. DAC, that I have been using for a while now. Never got around to upgrading to the Touch and then it's availability slipped away. Your setup sounds like just the ticket to upgrade the old Classic.
Edit: FYI, for the moment now, as per the developer, the new Raspberry Pi 3 doesn't work with piCore. So just get the 2 version.
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So, if you use the SBT as a streamer only with an external DAC, Aries Mini upgrade (also used as a streamer) will not worth it? I have this in mind but not sure if selling my SBT for $150 and getting a used Mini for $400 will make any difference?
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In my use case, I installed a 1TB SSD containing my 24 bit music. These size of these files makes them susceptible to WiFi performance issues - no issue stored locally though. Wired ethernet introduces a slew of noisy gremlins to track down which I'm less inclined to tolerate with high resolution files.
JPM, check your network. If streaming audio over ethernet creates noise in your system you have network issues. Especially in light of your mentioned wifi issues. 1's and 0's at gigabit speeds shouldn't cause you any troubles.
Everything else :thumb:
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So, if you use the SBT as a streamer only with an external DAC, Aries Mini upgrade (also used as a streamer) will not worth it? I have this in mind but not sure if selling my SBT for $150 and getting a used Mini for $400 will make any difference?
I can tell you this. I recently replaced my SB Touch/Channel Islands Audio PS with a Chromecast paired with JRiver server software and bubbleupnp controller. The difference is NOT subtle. This new combination is head and shoulders above the SB. I have been using the Touch since ~2010 and I only wish I had done this sooner.
Shakey
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I can tell you this. I recently replaced my SB Touch/Channel Islands Audio PS with a Chromecast paired with JRiver server software and bubbleupnp controller. The difference is NOT subtle. This new combination is head and shoulders above the SB. I have been using the Touch since ~2010 and I only wish I had done this sooner.
Shakey
Chromecast Audio, or the full Chromecast? I set up a Chromecast Audio using the LMS software and it worked OK, but as long as my Touch is still working I didn't see any compelling reason to change. I didn't do much critical listening/comparison though.
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Chromecast Audio, or the full Chromecast? I set up a Chromecast Audio using the LMS software and it worked OK, but as long as my Touch is still working I didn't see any compelling reason to change. I didn't do much critical listening/comparison though.
I agree. CCA was a sideways move at best from my SBT.
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It is a standard chromecast audio device. I'm not sure if the difference is the quality of the JRiver server over LMS or what? But it makes the SB sound broken (almost)........
Shakey
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Anyone tried the Chromecast Audio as a streamer only, feeding an external DAC? I've read if you pair it with an awesome & cheapish DAC like the Schiit Modi Multibit, it can be awesome.
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Anyone tried the Chromecast Audio as a streamer only, feeding an external DAC? I've read if you pair it with an awesome & cheapish DAC like the Schiit Modi Multibit, it can be awesome.
That's the way I'm using it, into an MHDT Havana. I can't imagine using it or the SB any other way. The internal DACs pale by comparison.
Shakey