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Community => Non-audio hobbies and interests => Spectator Sports => Topic started by: SteveFord on 28 Aug 2016, 06:50 pm
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Somebody's gotta kick this thread off.
Is this the year the mighty New York Football Giants kick ass and take the trophy home once again where it so rightfully belongs?
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Steve - I'm accustomed to reading your comments eagerly and with great interest. That string breaks here, however.
That trophy is where it belongs right now.
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If it's any consolation I was very happy to see Peyton Manning go out on top.
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Well it's only preseason, but with the thought that it's better to look good than look bad, both my Eagles and Steelers appeared like the starters had it together in the dress rehearsal game. The Steelers have a more promising season with DeAngelo Williams replacing Bell for what is it now, 3 games, and the defense looking much improved. The Eagles are a big question mark, they should be better than the Chip Kelly disaster, but how much better is unknown with no proven wide receivers, holes at left tackle and right guard, and a suspect secondary. I'm thinking Steelers 11-5 with a good run in the playoffs. Eagles I'm predicting 6-10 obviously missing the playoffs.
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Steve - I'm accustomed to reading your comments eagerly and with great interest. That string breaks here, however.
That trophy is where it belongs right now.
Where it belongs? I don't think so. :nono:
While I would like nothing more than to see the Giants win, I don't think that is a likely scenario...but you never know.
Out of the teams who have a good chance going into the season, I would be fine with Pittsburgh or Arizona winning.
George
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The NFC is going to be a tough road to hoe with Cardinals, Seahawks, Packers, and Panthers all legit contenders. I think the Bucs, Giants, and Redskins will be better than last year with the X factor being the Vikings. Vikings showed flashes last year and I can see them getting into that top tier before seasons end.
AFC...Patriots and Steelers if they don't lose anybody else to injury or suspension.
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Why does NBC TV think that the Denver Broncos are the world champions?
The play American Football in the National Football League (it's not the World Football League).
I think that Germany is the world champion football team.
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Why does NBC TV think that the Denver Broncos are the world champions?
The play American Football in the National Football League (it's not the World Football League).
I think that Germany is the world champion football team.
Really??
Please take European football talk to another thread.
Back to football...
Who is going to win tonight?
George
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I would like to be able to say the Broncos will win - and I guess I could say that - but I don't believe it. Carolina will probably do what the Seahawks did in the last Bronco Super Bowl. I expect the Panthers to have it in the bag by halftime. Broncos don't have the offense for a big comeback.
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I don't watch (or care about) world football, but still Denver is not a world champion football team (nor is Cleveland a world champion basketball team).
But I do watch most NFL games.
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The Panthers vs Broncos tonight should be a very interesting matchup. I will go out on a limb here and say I think the Broncos are a better team than last year simply because they have a quarterback who has a better arm then Peyton did last year. Albeit Siemian has not thrown a pass in the NFL, and Peyton despite his throwing problems, still had that Mastery of the game. That said, I'll take the stronger arm tonight.
I expect the Panthers to really get after Siemian tonight. He'll make mistakes, no doubt. He'll need to keep his cool and learn. Broncos by 7.
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Vikings might be good,even with Teddy out. The defense might be key.
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Panthers probably win tonight.
Health permitting, I've got the Patriots and Packers in this years SB.
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I'd take all the action I could on the Panthers winning straight up. I'd be just as happy to see Denver win tonight as I was seeing them win in the Super Bowl, never did warm up to Cam, but I've picked Carolina for tonight's game. The Cat's defense will put it to the kid.
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I think it was stupid to start the season with a SB re-match. :scratch:
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It makes perfect sense. Remember that the NFL is in the business of making money above all other things.
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So, is there going to be at least one player per game this weekend sitting/kneeling during the National Anthem? This will get old fast if the media focuses on this. The ignorance on display here is breathtaking.
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So, is there going to be at least one player per game this weekend sitting/kneeling during the National Anthem? This will get old fast if the media focuses on this. The ignorance on display here is breathtaking.
Agreed.
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Why does NBC TV think that the Denver Broncos are the world champions?
The play American Football in the National Football League (it's not the World Football League).
I think that Germany is the world champion football team.
Agree with you there, Speedskater. Same can be said with the World Series on baseball
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Apologies.
Keep the topic on football
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This is a football thread - N.F.L. football - and Tebow is a baseball player. His sideshow will play much better in the MLB.
I was right about the Bronkies trailing big at the half but dead wrong about their capacity for comeback. Trevor Siemian looks as good as Osweiler already. Give him a couple more games and he may well be better. He certainly seems less subject to panic.
And, Emil, please note that this is a no prayer zone.
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Everybody,
Please tread lightly on the Kapernick issue.
I would love to see some constructive conversation on the topic, but if it starts to go south, I will quickly pull the plug.
George
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And, Emil, please note that this is a no prayer zone.
Sorry. didnt mean to offend :lol:
We'll stay focused on Kapernicks sideshow
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The Kaepernick scandal, like so many other things in our society, appears to be an example of the media telling us what to care about. My take is that we have a young man with concerns about the way his ethnic peers are treated as a class by the police, the media and open society. Were it not for the cameras trained on him and the editorials supporting and excoriating him, it would amount to a silent protest. Instead, the media rallies to create a story they can milk for its sales value.
Like so many other "stories" generated by the need to fill a 24 hour news cycle, it really hasn't much value.
Cam Newton being whacked in the head with no penalty calls is more like what we might discuss this morning. I went to bed during the 2nd quarter so I did not see any non-calls. Last season I remember some running backs leading with their head or even lowering it just before contact. In those cases, how can you blame the defender? Were last night's hits clear cut violations? I'd rather hear it from you than from ESPN.
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The Kaepernick scandal, like so many other things in our society, appears to be an example of the media telling us what to care about. My take is that we have a young man with concerns about the way his ethnic peers are treated as a class by the police, the media and open society. Were it not for the cameras trained on him and the editorials supporting and excoriating him, it would amount to a silent protest. Instead, the media rallies to create a story they can milk for its sales value.
Like so many other "stories" generated by the need to fill a 24 hour news cycle, it really hasn't much value.
Cam Newton being whacked in the head with no penalty calls is more like what we might discuss this morning. I went to bed during the 2nd quarter so I did not see any non-calls. Last season I remember some running backs leading with their head or even lowering it just before contact. In those cases, how can you blame the defender? Were last night's hits clear cut violations? I'd rather hear it from you than from ESPN.
There were two clear headshots on Newton by Marshall and Stewart on separate plays that will almost certainly draw a hefty fine from the league offices.
It is blatantly obvious that there is a double standard when it comes to Cam Newton and all of the other QB's in the league. If Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, etc...were hit in the same fashion there would have not only been penalties called, there might even had been an ejection!
The only other QB who gets hit "somewhat" like Cam is Roethlisberger and I am confident he would have gotten the calls last night.
George
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When there was some talk about this last year I remember commenters saying that, unlike the other QBs, he is a running back who challenges tacklers.
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When there was some talk about this last year I remember commenters saying that, unlike the other QBs, he is a running back who challenges tacklers.
The hits I was referencing weren't while he was acting as a running back.
George
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Off topic i suppose but if the q b from s f had a lick of common sense and same with politicians they'd bring up mass incarceration of blacks due tthe failed ,,drug war , but g d after 50 yrs you cant hardly find one or 2 people who ever ever talk about it.
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apologies.
keep the topic back on football
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apologies.
keep the topic back on football
No need to apologize.
I am fine with the topic...just want to avoid major food fights.
George
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George is right, I'm a big Broncos fan and glad they won but the one hit to the head with offsetting penalties was bad.
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...and Newton is young and BIG. 15 yards and a fine is not enough to prevent a team from taking out a Brady, Palmer, Romo, Brees type.
In the case of that last hit on Newton, I'd be in favor of a 8 game suspension. Take away half a years salary instead of a pocket change fine.
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The point here seems to be that the League is not enforcing the existing statutes. Why do you think harsher penalties would matter if they aren't enforcing the rules currently in place?
It is a pet peeve of mine that enforcement across the board is inconsistent, including the penalties for crime and insolence.
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I'm from LA, and after 20 years the Rams are back.
I have mixed feelings, I grew up as a Rams fan, my dad had season tickets starting in the 60s, and for the last 5 years or so before they moved, I shared a season ticket with my brother. So I hated Georgia for moving the team to St Louis.
I've followed them somewhat since the move, and will watch them Monday night for sure. They look like an average team at best, and with Seattle and Arizona in their conference my expectations are not high.
Randy
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I'm from LA, and after 20 years the Rams are back.
I have mixed feelings, I grew up as a Rams fan, my dad had season tickets starting in the 60s, and for the last 5 years or so before they moved, I shared a season ticket with my brother. So I hated Georgia for moving the team to St Louis.
I've followed them somewhat since the move, and will watch them Monday night for sure. They look like an average team at best, and with Seattle and Arizona in their conference my expectations are not high.
Randy
Maybe you can beat up on the Niners ----- that's something, right?
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Maybe you can beat up on the Niners ----- that's something, right?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I remember watching Montana, Rice and Taylor rip through the Ram defense, very frustrating.
So I guess that would be something.
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I'm from LA, and after 20 years the Rams are back.
I have mixed feelings, I grew up as a Rams fan, my dad had season tickets starting in the 60s, and for the last 5 years or so before they moved, I shared a season ticket with my brother. So I hated Georgia for moving the team to St Louis.
I've followed them somewhat since the move, and will watch them Monday night for sure. They look like an average team at best, and with Seattle and Arizona in their conference my expectations are not high.
Randy
I think if I was a Rams fan I would be a little miffed that the front office for whatever reason thinks Jeff Fisher is worth keeping around. 21 seasons and only 6 were better than .500. After watching Hard Knocks I felt it only reinforced the notion that he's not a good leader and between him and Greg Williams they just don't come off like they're that good at what they do. I found this short article that explains a few things, maybe he just needs to shave his mustache...
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/7-stats-that-prove-how-wonderfully-average-jeff-fishers-head-coaching-record-is
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Lately the talk has been how the Ram's number 1 pick QB, Jared Goff is the 3rd string qb, won't even be active for the Monday night game.
Good thing they gave up so much to get him. :roll:
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Lately the talk has been how the Ram's number 1 pick QB, Jared Goff is the 3rd string qb, won't even be active for the Monday night game.
Good thing they gave up so much to get him. :roll:
That move blew me away too. You would think the Rams of all teams would have learned after what the Redskins did to get the #2 pick from them for RG3.
Of course as a Cardinals fan I'm just fine with how the Rams are being run. :lol:
But now watch this will be the year they go 12-4 and knock the Cards out of playoff contention... :duh:
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Agree with you there, Speedskater. Same can be said with the World Series on baseball
The World Series comes by it legitimately ... the original sponsor was the New York World newspaper, and that's whom it's named after.
I saw two distinct, uncalled "Helmet to Helmet" hits on Newton on Thursday night, and both at critical points in the game. Carolina played well enough to win but Denver had the luck that game, and when it's close, luck wins out every time. I did like how the off-season Coaching strategy puts Cam closer to the line of scrimmage to mitigate outside defenders' pass rush impact (and sacks) although Denver did make adjustments for the 2nd half that partly addressed it. I'm a Raiders fan so no love for the Broncos, but it was an entertaining opening contest.
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[nThe World Series comes by it legitimately ... the original sponsor was the New York World newspaper, and that's whom it's named after.
Well,maybe not :D
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp
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Lots of great football today!
I was especially fond of the Giants beating Dallas...in Dallas!! :thumb: :thumb:
It was also great to Victor Cruz back on the field and doing his Salsa dance after scoring.
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George
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That was a good game, it was nice to see the Giants come away with a win.
Especially in Dallas.
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Once again the Cowboys did a nice job of beating the Cowboys.
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The Eagles are a big question mark, they should be better than the Chip Kelly disaster, but how much better is unknown with no proven wide receivers, holes at left tackle and right guard, and a suspect secondary. I'm thinking Steelers 11-5 with a good run in the playoffs. Eagles I'm predicting 6-10 obviously missing the playoffs.
Like most "rational" Iggle fans (yes there are a few of us :roll:) I'm not expecting to much. 6-10 looks about right for the start of the Wentz/Pederson era. Wentz and the defense looked good yesterday but it was RGIII and a weak rebuilding Browns team. Next up is Da' Bears at Chicago on Sunday Night.
Chris
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Yeah, if they beat the Bears then we may have to revise that 6-10 if Lane Johnson doesn't get suspended.
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Once again the Cowboys did a nice job of beating the Cowboys.
Not exactly.
The Giants defense played well and was able to limit their running game.
While the last play was a bonehead move; if he had gone out of bounds that would have been an extremely long field goal attempt. Certainly not even close to a certain make.
George
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How bout that Vikes defense.
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The Giants may well win the Super Bowl this year but I imagine the more rational among their supporters are likely in "wait and see" mode after just one game. After all, they barely squeaked by a Cowboys team with a rookie QB playing his first game ever in the NFL. Much better than a loss in the long view but only slightly encouraging when considered as a precursor of how they will do in the next 15 games. Good luck, in any case.
I didn't see any of the Arizona - N.E. game but I'll hold that up as a bigger road victory than anything else this week so far.
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Not exactly.
The Giants defense played well and was able to limit their running game.
While the last play was a bonehead move; if he had gone out of bounds that would have been an extremely long field goal attempt. Certainly not even close to a certain make.
George
True but with a guy that can make a 56 yarder the loss would have felt very different instead of feeling like another high school mistake by the Cowboys eliminating their chance for a win.
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The Giants may well win the Super Bowl this year but I imagine the more rational among their supporters are likely in "wait and see" mode after just one game. After all, they barely squeaked by a Cowboys team with a rookie QB playing his first game ever in the NFL. Much better than a loss in the long view but only slightly encouraging when considered as a precursor of how they will do in the next 15 games. Good luck, in any case.
I didn't see any of the Arizona - N.E. game but I'll hold that up as a bigger road victory than anything else this week so far.
I have no illusions of who the Giants are and my expectations are well short of a Super Bowl win.
That said, I ALWAYS love beating the Cowboys!!
George
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I have no illusions of who the Giants are and my expectations are well short of a Super Bowl win.
That said, I ALWAYS love beating the Cowboys!!
George
Though I do not have strong feelings for or against the Giants, I'm never a Cowboy fan unless they are playing a team whose losing would be good for the Broncos. That's pretty rare and the Cowdudes usually let me down by losing those games.
Maybe the Texans will begin to help the rest of Texas get past the frustration provided annually by Jerry the Genius.
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Yeah, if they beat the Bears then we may have to revise that 6-10 if Lane Johnson doesn't get suspended.
Yeah what's with the NFL dragging their feet on LJ? Heck, he is surprised to be on the field! :o
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Well it's only preseason, but with the thought that it's better to look good than look bad, both my Eagles and Steelers appeared like the starters had it together in the dress rehearsal game. The Steelers have a more promising season with DeAngelo Williams replacing Bell for what is it now, 3 games, and the defense looking much improved. The Eagles are a big question mark, they should be better than the Chip Kelly disaster, but how much better is unknown with no proven wide receivers, holes at left tackle and right guard, and a suspect secondary. I'm thinking Steelers 11-5 with a good run in the playoffs. Eagles I'm predicting 6-10 obviously missing the playoffs.
I would be surprised to see the iggles repeat the two 10-6 seasons, and a playoff berth, that Chip Kelly put up in your 'disaster'. Or even counting the 7-9 third one, that's a respectable 27-20. Coach Fisher would kill for that. Somehow, he's still coaching.
Your Steelers were 29-18 in that same stretch. A disaster? :-)
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Steelers destroy the Skins!!
Big Ben makes history!!
Fist QB to throw to three receivers for 500+ completions !
Our back up running back is sick !!!!!!
Brown is the best wide receiver in the league! And Big Ben is Big Ben!
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I would be surprised to see the iggles repeat the two 10-6 seasons, and a playoff berth, that Chip Kelly put up in your 'disaster'. Or even counting the 7-9 third one, that's a respectable 27-20. Coach Fisher would kill for that. Somehow, he's still coaching.
Your Steelers were 29-18 in that same stretch. A disaster? :-)
Actually Chip was 6-9 his final season with the Eagles, he was fired before the final win in week 17. Just looking at the record for all three years it looks better than it actually was. He started off strong with a 10-6 season and making the playoffs. The next year started out okay, then got progressively worse toward the end of the season collapse and missing the playoffs. The decline continued through the final season with no hope of improvement. All the while he was getting rid of all the talent Reid had built up, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin, Evan Mathis, dumping Pro Bowlers like he had a college roster of unlimited talent. He added no one to make up the deficit. Jeffery and all the Philly fans had enough. Yes, it was a disaster that goes way deeper than the cumulative record.
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Actually Chip was 6-9 his final season with the Eagles, he was fired before the final win in week 17. Just looking at the record for all three years it looks better than it actually was. He started off strong with a 10-6 season and making the playoffs. The next year started out okay, then got progressively worse toward the end of the season collapse and missing the playoffs. The decline continued through the final season with no hope of improvement. All the while he was getting rid of all the talent Reid had built up, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin, Evan Mathis, dumping Pro Bowlers like he had a college roster of unlimited talent. He added no one to make up the deficit. Jeffery and all the Philly fans had enough. Yes, it was a disaster that goes way deeper than the cumulative record.
Yep! :evil:
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So I waited for 20 years for the Rams to return to LA, and that was what I get?
28-0, destroyed by the niners, and the game was probably not that close :lol:
At some point, I think rams were 1 out of 9 on 3rd down conversions.
Offense was non existent, defense only a little better.
The niner's with Chip as the coach may be better then expected, but I can't believe they are that good, so looking at a long season.
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[nThe World Series comes by it legitimately ... the original sponsor was the New York World newspaper, and that's whom it's named after.
Well,maybe not :D
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp
Hmmmm. I stand corrected. However I'm sure I'd read it before 1991 (Snopes' first citation) ... like maybe 1981.
Loved the Raiders-Saints game.
So I waited for 20 years for the Rams to return to LA, and that was what I get?
28-0, destroyed by the niners, and the game was probably not that close :lol:
At some point, I think rams were 1 out of 9 on 3rd down conversions.
Offense was non existent, defense only a little better.
The niner's with Chip as the coach may be better then expected, but I can't believe they are that good, so looking at a long season.
:( :( :(
I think you have more grief ahead than maybe you anticipated. Moving the franchise to a new city, the owner can milk that for a few years while starving the roster of talent and pocketing the difference. At least that's how it usually goes.
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So I waited for 20 years for the Rams to return to LA, and that was what I get?
28-0, destroyed by the niners, and the game was probably not that close :lol:
At some point, I think rams were 1 out of 9 on 3rd down conversions.
Offense was non existent, defense only a little better.
The niner's with Chip as the coach may be better then expected, but I can't believe they are that good, so looking at a long season.
:( :( :(
There's no chance of sending them back to St. Louis?
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There's no chance of sending them back to St. Louis?
Nope. That ship has sailed. Forgotten, like Albert Pujols. :shake:
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Actually Chip was 6-9 his final season with the Eagles, he was fired before the final win in week 17. Just looking at the record for all three years it looks better than it actually was. He started off strong with a 10-6 season and making the playoffs. The next year started out okay, then got progressively worse toward the end of the season collapse and missing the playoffs. The decline continued through the final season with no hope of improvement. All the while he was getting rid of all the talent Reid had built up, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin, Evan Mathis, dumping Pro Bowlers like he had a college roster of unlimited talent. He added no one to make up the deficit. Jeffery and all the Philly fans had enough. Yes, it was a disaster that goes way deeper than the cumulative record.
Philly fans :lol: nutballs. It ain't gonna get better than Chips record, 2 games less than your Steelers. You sure bought the east coast media spin. :lol:
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I'm sorry Freddy, didn't know you were a Chip-bot. I guess San Fran is going to the Super Bowl this year. What idiots we were to let such a genius go. Said no one, ever. And no, I didn't buy in to any media hype either way, when Chip was a genius I decried his knee-jerk move with Jackson and others. I did have hope that his replacements would pan out, all but Malcolm Jenkins are gone now. And there was no media blitz to oust Chip, it came as a shock to ESPN and others, don't know where you got that one. Chip Kelly refused to adapt to the NFL game and it got him fired by a management team that hung on to the last coach for 14 years. Maybe he's learned something, but I'm betting he hasn't.
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Nope. That ship has sailed. Forgotten, like Albert Pujols. :shake:
:lol: :lol:
Yeah, I remember hearing some outrageous number for the Ram's worth after moving to LA, owner is making a killing on the move.
Maybe it was just first game jitters :|
I'm sorry Freddy, didn't know you were a Chip-bot. I guess San Fran is going to the Super Bowl this year. What idiots we were to let such a genius go. Said no one, ever. And no, I didn't buy in to any media hype either way, when Chip was a genius I decried his knee-jerk move with Jackson and others. I did have hope that his replacements would pan out, all but Malcolm Jenkins are gone now. And there was no media blitz to oust Chip, it came as a shock to ESPN and others, don't know where you got that one. Chip Kelly refused to adapt to the NFL game and it got him fired by a management team that hung on to the last coach for 14 years. Maybe he's learned something, but I'm betting he hasn't.
I'm not an Eagles fan, but it seemed like Chip did well when he first got there. The problems started when they let Chip make personnel decisions, his player moves flopped big time.
So if you just let him coach, and have a good GM maybe it will work with Chip.
Randy
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I'm sorry Freddy, didn't know you were a Chip-bot. I guess San Fran is going to the Super Bowl this year. What idiots we were to let such a genius go. Said no one, ever. And no, I didn't buy in to any media hype either way, when Chip was a genius I decried his knee-jerk move with Jackson and others. I did have hope that his replacements would pan out, all but Malcolm Jenkins are gone now. And there was no media blitz to oust Chip, it came as a shock to ESPN and others, don't know where you got that one. Chip Kelly refused to adapt to the NFL game and it got him fired by a management team that hung on to the last coach for 14 years. Maybe he's learned something, but I'm betting he hasn't.
A Chip-bot? Ha ha. I guess that's all you have to counter your steelers being 2 games better than the eagles 'disaster' those 3 seasons :D Anyway, I'm a Steeler fan myself. The 49's suck. As do the iggles.
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:lol: :lol:
Yeah, I remember hearing some outrageous number for the Ram's worth after moving to LA, owner is making a killing on the move.
Maybe it was just first game jitters :|
I'm not an Eagles fan, but it seemed like Chip did well when he first got there. The problems started when they let Chip make personnel decisions, his player moves flopped big time.
So if you just let him coach, and have a good GM maybe it will work with Chip.
Randy
It definitely hurt them that D.Murray didn't show up to play. The run based offense they ran went 24-8 when they rushed for 100 yds or more in a game. Murray says he 'took that season off', we'll see this year with the Titans if that's true or if he's just shot.
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It is beginning to look like Houston paid Super Star money for a pretty average QB. Also looks like the Patriots will rampage through the League this season. They're set to go 4-0 without Brady and considering the weapons he has this year, will likely enter the playoffs with home field advantage. Denver and Pittsburgh are the only teams I can imagine beating them -- but they usually don't. NFC looks like Carolina, Arizona or the Giants in Super Bowl. Did I miss any realistic contenders or is this down to a 6 team tournament already?
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Forget the Giants. They barely won over some weak teams.
You did forget Seattle.
The Chiefs will probably be there towards the end but the Pats look pretty unstoppable. (Yawn.)
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It is beginning to look like Houston paid Super Star money for a pretty average QB. Also looks like the Patriots will rampage through the League this season. They're set to go 4-0 without Brady and considering the weapons he has this year, will likely enter the playoffs with home field advantage. Denver and Pittsburgh are the only teams I can imagine beating them -- but they usually don't. NFC looks like Carolina, Arizona or the Giants in Super Bowl. Did I miss any realistic contenders or is this down to a 6 team tournament already?
no Brady or GRONK!
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no Brady or GRONK!
Or Ninkovich.
Brady is coming back with fire in his eyes. This is going to be fun.
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Or Ninkovich.
Brady is coming back with fire in his eyes. This is going to be fun.
But who knows who will play next WE - Brissett is out!
http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2016/09/23/Fantasy-Football-injury-update-New-England-Patriots-QB-Jacoby-Brissett-out/4251474660208/
Eh, but it's OK, the Pats can lose one game before TB comes back.
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NFL ratings are down 13 percent per an article I saw, much of which is related to the kaepernick nonsense. (At least I think it's nonsense).
Haven't watched a game thusfar this season. Don't plan to either.
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I agree although putting games like New England, sans Brady, against Houston on Monday isn't going to excite very many people. So often the Monday games are duds. .
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NFL ratings are down 13 percent per an article I saw, much of which is related to the kaepernick nonsense. (At least I think it's nonsense).
Haven't watched a game thusfar this season. Don't plan to either.
How exactly are you correlating a ratings change with what Kaepernick and other players are doing to bring social/racial inequalities to light?
George
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How exactly are you correlating a ratings change with what Kaepernick and other players are doing to bring social/racial inequalities to light?
George
Because nobody gives a shit what an athlete thinks. :evil:
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Because nobody gives a shit what an athlete thinks. :evil:
Jerry,
Some of the most significant social change in the last 50 years was driven, lead, or heavily influenced by athletes.
George
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Yeah, okay, George.
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Yeah, okay, George.
Jerry,
My apologies for my original response (which I have modified) in which I said you are wrong.
Each of us are absolutely entitled to our opinions and right and wrong are not productive labels.
George
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Jerry,
My apologies for my original response (which I have modified) in which I said you are wrong.
Each of us are absolutely entitled to our opinions and right and wrong are not productive labels.
George
Spoken like a true nobleman, George.
For the record, I care about what Kaepernick thinks, now that I have learned that he thinks. I confess I had initially thought otherwise.
Unless people in the public eye speak up, these matters never find their way into the national conversation. I think you would have to wait a long time for American media outlets to speak up on behalf of the victims. It's great that these jocks are willing to put themselves on the line to get people thinking and talking about an epidemic that used to go unreported.
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Yes the flag represents the right to freely express yourself. Don't you understand that?
BTW don't forget about more than 4000 black people that were lynched in the Jim Crow south. These were still occurring into the 1960s while blacks were fighting in Nam. Black people have every right to be sensitive about police violence towards them especially since law enforcement, at the time, largely overlooked or abetted these crimes against humanity and the perpetrators were never brought to justice.
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How exactly are you correlating a ratings change with what Kaepernick and other players are doing to bring social/racial inequalities to light?
George
Not standing for the National Anthem is disrespectful IMO. It bothers me that rich spoiled athletes don't take constructive steps to address community problems. It's no different than the anti-police sentiment about targeting blacks, while blacks target their own neighborhoods an a significantly greater rate, and no one raises a eyebrow.
kaepernick never did anything in his community until he started dating the BLM activist girlfriend. He has every right to express himself and fully entitled to kneel. It is his right.
It is my right to turn it off. Many other people feel similarly.
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Here's Kapernick wearing a t-shirt with the champion of freedom Fidel Castro on it.
Yes. he actually wore it
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In Texas, several years ago, our state legislature passed a law to make saying the pledge of allegiance mandatory every morning in class- one party jammed it through to try to create a wedge issue to beat up the other party if anyone dared vote against it. There was little patriotism in a partisan vote designed to get a few legislators to provide their adversaries with political ammunition.
Our district had already been starting the day with a pledge, so it was nothing new.
In my class I argued that any pledge that was forced, was no longer a valid statement of allegiance, and stated that although I had stood and recited with my class for years willingly, I would not be forced to say a pledge... and I stood silently. Instead, after it was over, the school could hear me lead those in my class that wanted to join in, in slightly offkey but clearly loud version of our state song, Texas Our Texas. I wanted our students to think about the words they pledge, and understand that a pledge is not some rote memorization.
As far as athletes using their fame to bring scrutiny to a cause, the Kaepernick protest is only a recent episode in a long history of athlete protest. The selling of "patriotism" in connection to the NFL is a marketing and political power decision, as is everything they do. The coverage or a protest by the media is about rating/money, and has nothing to do with patriotism.
In my eyes, both the military volunteer and the military objector are patriots. They are acting in a way that they think can make our country stronger. When one fails to respect the actions of the other, that is when our democratic principles are threatened.
And, this is clearly political, so I expect that this post and others leading to it will be removed- and rightly so in an international forum with rules that we are clearly violating.
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Not standing for the National Anthem is disrespectful IMO. It bothers me that rich spoiled athletes don't take constructive steps to address community problems. It's no different than the anti-police sentiment about targeting blacks, while blacks target their own neighborhoods an a significantly greater rate, and no one raises a eyebrow.
kaepernick never did anything in his community until he started dating the BLM activist girlfriend. He has every right to express himself and fully entitled to kneel. It is his right.
It is my right to turn it off. Many other people feel similarly.
The crime rate correlates strongly with the level of poverty. What about the high crime rate in poor white areas? I've noticed that heroin addiction is almost an epidemic in some mostly white states such as Vermont.especially among poor whites. I wonder what the white on white crime rate is in those communities? I've observed that in our mostly white area that the poorer communities are rife with meth and that's where most of the crime is.
I've found it curious that white males, the most privileged group in our country, like to portray themselves as put upon and aggrieved. What a bunch of whiners!
Actually I believe that there should be reparation for the crimes of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. The reparations should not be in the form of individual payments but in a massive federal program to rebuild the inner cities and give the people there access to the same quality of schools that are in white suburbia. Housing should be built using the latest in urban planning and state of the art architectural practices. The gangs, which quite often attract the most entrepreneurial youth should be suppressed and that energy redirected. Medical care should be free. A trillion dollars would be a nice amount. If we can burn up a couple of trillion in Iraq, Afganistan we should be able to come up with a trillion for our inner cities. In the long run it will be a profitable investment as well as the right thing to do.
Where would the money come from? Soak the rich! They've been avoiding taxes for so long while the middle class has been suffering that it's time to restore balance. As Willie Sutton said "that's where the money is".
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The crime rate correlates strongly with the level of poverty. What about the high crime rate in poor white areas? I've noticed that heroin addiction is almost an epidemic in some mostly white states such as Vermont.especially among poor whites. I wonder what the white on white crime rate is in those communities? I've observed that in our mostly white area that the poorer communities are rife with meth and that's where most of the crime is.
I've found it curious that white males, the most privileged group in our country, like to portray themselves as put upon and aggrieved. What a bunch of whiners!
Actually I believe that there should be reparation for the crimes of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. The reparations should not be in the form of individual payments but in a massive federal program to rebuild the inner cities and give the people there access to the same quality of schools that are in white suburbia. Housing should be built using the latest in urban planning and state of the art architectural practices. The gangs, which quite often attract the most entrepreneurial youth should be suppressed and that energy redirected. Medical care should be free. A trillion dollars would be a nice amount. If we can burn up a couple of trillion in Iraq, Afganistan we should be able to come up with a trillion for our inner cities. In the long run it will be a profitable investment as well as the right thing to do.
Where would the money come from? Soak the rich! They've been avoiding taxes for so long while the middle class has been suffering that it's time to restore balance. As Willie Sutton said "that's where the money is".
Socialist Bernie is your guy. Write him in come November.
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If you want to be patriotic in this country, you should pay your taxes and don't litter.
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If you want to be patriotic in this country, you should pay your taxes and don't litter.
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Personally, I would love to continue to have adult conversations on these topics, but as somebody pointed out, we really shouldn't be delving into politics.
Let's get this thread back to football.
Who else besides me is looking forward to seeing Beckham beat up on Norman tomorrow?
What other match-ups do you find interesting?
George
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Personally, I would love to continue to have adult conversations on these topics, but as somebody pointed out, we really shouldn't be delving into politics.
Let's get this thread back to football.
Who else besides me is looking forward to seeing Beckham beat up on Norman tomorrow?
What other match-ups do you find interesting?
George
I've heard Norman is supposed to shadow Beckham for the entire game. Unlike the Steeler game where he only covered Brown on the left side and was criticized for it.
We'll see if he actually does.
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Let's get this thread back to football.
What other match-ups do you find interesting?
George
Wentz against a real defense could be interesting. The kid looks good- damned shame he has to spend part of his career in Philthadelphia. :thumb:
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Personally, I would love to continue to have adult conversations on these topics, but as somebody pointed out, we really shouldn't be delving into politics.
Let's get this thread back to football.
Who else besides me is looking forward to seeing Beckham beat up on Norman tomorrow?
What other match-ups do you find interesting?
George
Fair enough. People will take a stand on their belief system. An Audiocircle thread is unlikely to change that.
Enjoy the music.
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In the grand scale of American life, is it so important whether a jock chooses to sit, stand, kneel, or sing during the national anthem? Like so many other incidental sights and sounds, this one would pass with little notice if not for the media choosing to amplify and dramatize it.
BTW, I think it would be useful for us to develop some guidelines as to what is considered political discussion. The fact that some number of media outlets has attempted to make a matter contentious doesn't really mean it should be off limits for us. After all, what happens when Fox News or CNN decides to question your right to build your own speakers when by doing so you are causing the loss of jobs in Utah? Would we be required to avoid that topic?
I know my example is a bit weak but you get the picture. Maybe someone here is clever enough to cite a better example I might have used instead of mine.
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Wentz against a real defense could be interesting. The kid looks good- damned shame he has to spend part of his career in Philthadelphia. :thumb:
I agree, we've been waiting for Wentz to stumble, but the kid keeps passing the tests. Today is a big one, but I don't think it's the Steeler defense that's the problem, they're really only an okay defense that has been playing over their heads of late. Rather it's keeping up with the Steeler offense that will be the test, so it's more on the Eagle defense to perform than Wentz. And despite the raspberries from the cheap seats, by all accounts Wentz is very happy to be playing in Philadelphia.
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I'd live in Philly too if I was making that kind of dough- but I'd have a second home, maybe CO or MA.
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I agree, we've been waiting for Wentz to stumble, but the kid keeps passing the tests. Today is a big one, but I don't think it's the Steeler defense that's the problem, they're really only an okay defense that has been playing over their heads of late. Rather it's keeping up with the Steeler offense that will be the test, so it's more on the Eagle defense to perform than Wentz. And despite the raspberries from the cheap seats, by all accounts Wentz is very happy to be playing in Philadelphia.
Yup it's on the D this week, which has been playing above its Fantasy rank the last 2 weeks. Big Ben will be putting the secondary on notice with Brown and Williams crushing it on the ground. Pitt by 9
I'd live in Philly too if I was making that kind of dough- but I'd have a second home, maybe CO or MA.
FYI most Philadelphia pro sports players live across the river in South Jersey! As for a second home Hilton Head South Carolina gets my vote 8)
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The wiseguys picks of Buffalo over Az and the Vikings beating Carolins at home, panned out. The Bradford trade is proving to be huge, so far.
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My 2 centsif you want to get political is my opinion is,until people start calling the drug war,this country is just gonna keep more divided. Thank god that most likely there will be 4 or 5 more legal pot states. When alcohol is legal,well thats your first problem.
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Although it's only 3 games, Carson Wentz already looks like a top NFL QB. In the meantime, Eli looks like... Eli :lol:
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Although it's only 3 games, Carson Wentz already looks like a top NFL QB. In the meantime, Eli looks like... Eli :lol:
Ugh!
Giants "should" have beaten up on Washington, but the turnovers killed them.
This was a costly loss that will haunt the Giants later in the year.
George
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Well, the Skins had two 1st and 4's at the goal line and only scored 3 points too.
Philly is the big wow of this season so far. Who'd a thunk it???
AZ isn't looking as good as everyone thought they were.
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GO RAMS !!!!!!!
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The Eagles looked good, however, it's been a long time since Pittsburgh won in Philly. With Wilson out things look murky in Seattle. Minnesota could be stepping up from last years almost. Denver. :-)
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Stupid Giants.
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Yeah, all the Philly haters are eating crow. Wentz is looking better every game making LA and Cleveland look silly for passing him up. And as I predicted, it was the Eagle defense that made the difference limiting Williams to 7 yards in 6 carries in the first half. However my Steeler side says wa, wa, what happened? I predicted a Steeler win. Fletcher Cox and an inspired secondary happened, and too many mistakes with dropped balls and fumbles.
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Stupid Giants.
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The Bronkies managed to win their first 3 games, any of which had big time trap potential. Now they face Tampa Bay, Atlanta, San Diego twice, Houston, Oakland, and New Orleans. Of course, they are not guaranteed to win all of those games but they will surely be favored to win them all. The road is clear to a 10-0 start followed by a bye week and a game on Nov. 27 when they host K.C. After that, Jacksonville and Tennessee before they host N.E. on Dec. 18. The season ends at K.C. on Christmas night and home for Oakland on New Years Day.
Looking at the record, what do you think their record will be come playoff time? Not that it matters at all, though. The Patriots are going to steamroll the AFC once Brady comes back, although I'm not real comfortable about their prospects in the upcoming game against Buffalo. The job the Bills did on Arizona represents a turnaround for Buffalo or a serious over rating of the Cardinals. What are the chances of the Pats going 16-0 this season in your estimation?
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Agree Wentz looks great so far, but how come no one has mentioned Dak Prescott?
He's the steal of the draft, 4th round pick. OK, maybe the Bears aren't the best team, but the kid has been impressive.
I'm wondering if he could steal Romo's job?
And the Rams are in first place!! I know it's early, but after the first game I was ready for them to suck. :lol: :lol:
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Vikes game ,,,It was beautiful watching Cam go down numerous time on Sunday. , Very nice Vikes And as far as Pederson goes,i dont miss hima bit. Yes he breaks through, ,, but what ive always never understood is why cant he just pause for that one twentieth of a second and then bust through. Brute force isnt always the way to go.
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Vikes game ,,,It was beautiful watching Cam go down numerous time on Sunday. , Very nice Vikes And as far as Pederson goes,i dont miss hima bit. Yes he breaks through, ,, but what ive always never understood is why cant he just pause for that one twentieth of a second and then bust through. Brute force isnt always the way to go.
Another surprise QB with the vikings, from what I've seen, Bradford looks great there.
Otherwise, I think you might miss Pederson.
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Another surprise QB with the vikings, from what I've seen, Bradford looks great there.
Otherwise, I think you might miss Pederson.
I think that for a full 16 game season with Peterson that they would have done very well, maybe even be the best team in the nfc. Without him, only the games will tell.
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What are the chances of the Pats going 16-0 this season in your estimation?
Tiresome. (Not you, Macrojack....the Pats). Just can't stand 'em.
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It's going to be a long season for us Saints fans. :duh:
I can make a hundred excuses for their Defense (which cannot, and has not been able to support a 400-yard-per-game QB). But, I've grown tired of doing that...
Sean Payton needs to go. He continuously fails to see his Team, and only looks at Brees.
The *Man Crush* was over a long time ago, Sean. So was Bountygate. Please, whatever you do, just leave.
Other than that, I sincerely hope that JJ Watt has a complete and uncomplicated recovery.
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It looks like the Cheaters finally got it and the Rams seemed to have perked up a bit.
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I can't believe my Bills just beat the Patriots. I'm not accustomed to being happy with the Bills.
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Steve Ford - nice Zappa reference by the way
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The Bills proved today that even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. :lol:
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The Bills proved today that even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. :lol:
But I'm pretty sure the Pats are happy to be 3-1 with Brady coming back.
Speaking of 3-1, go Rams!! Who would have thought? Beating Seattle and Arizona, so division record is looking good too.
Randy
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Arizona not bouncing back from the road loss to Buffalo and losing to the Rams says something about them. Minnesota continues to impress.
Andrew Luck- four years in and not much to show for it. Still can't win.
Oakland surprises again.
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Arizona not bouncing back from the road loss to Buffalo and losing to the Rams says something about them. Minnesota continues to impress.
Andrew Luck- four years in and not much to show for it. Still can't win.
Oakland surprises again.
The Giants stink!
There is no talent around Luck...that team needs to be blown up and totally redone.
George
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The Giants stink!
There is no talent around Luck...that team needs to be blown up and totally redone.
George
Yeah, ain't it great? :icon_twisted:
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The Vikings built a new stadium. That entitles them to a Super Bowl win. Getting it this year would be unusually prompt payment from Goodell. I haven't seen them play this year. Are they good enough to take it all?
Odell Beckham appears to be the latest super talented head case wide receiver to be on a self-destructive trajectory. Boy in a man's body. Why can't these fools see the break they've gotten. How else is a guy like him going to make millions of dollars?
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There is no talent around Luck...that team needs to be blown up and totally redone.
George
It starts with the GM, then his head coach. Irsay just gave them both 4 more years, which was a shock even to both of them :roll: That'll be an expensive lesson to try to move on from.
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Irsay is utterly despicable. For that reason, and that reason alone, I look for the worst for the Colts. The entire Deflategate fraud was his doing.
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I didn't watch the Giants lose but I hear that all you have to do is make Beckham mad and he loses it.
Hey, last night your mom you get the idea.
That's a shame, he's quite the talented receiver.
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I didn't watch the Giants lose but I hear that all you have to do is make Beckham mad and he loses it.
Hey, last night your mom you get the idea.
That's a shame, he's quite the talented receiver.
I wouldn't say that he lost it last night. He overreacted on a hit out of bounds and a few other non-calls.
Eli wasn't exactly accurate and wasn't getting him the ball. He almost made a couple of excellent catches, but he didn't.
I give credit to the Vikes defense which has been outstanding in all four of their games.
George
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He's young, a bit stupid, already making himself a brand, and has too much money for his own good. Give him a couple of years to mature. The Giants are a pretty good team overall, but Eli is who he is. Sometimes he will win a game for you, and sometimes give one away.
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He's young, a bit stupid, already making himself a brand, and has too much money for his own good. Give him a couple of years to mature. The Giants are a pretty good team overall, but Eli is who he is. Sometimes he will win a game for you, and sometimes give one away.
Eli doesn't look like the same QB that won a couple superbowls to me.
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Eli doesn't look like the same QB that won a couple superbowls to me.
I'll give Eli one of those wins. But mostly, he had a power running game and a very good/great defense. Eli has always been erratic, but he is easily capable of a big win on his good days.
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The Giants stink!
There is no talent around Luck...that team needs to be blown up and totally redone.
George
Yeah, the Giants look pretty weak, probably at the bottom of their division. The Viks look solid on both sides of the ball.
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I took a quick look at the Giant's schedule and they're up against some really good teams.
It's hard to say with them, though. Sometimes they're really sharp and other times they're pathetic.
We'll see.
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Are the Cowgirls that good or are the Bengals just that bad?
They're getting killed.
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Could the Vikes be for real this time? :icon_surprised: :lol:
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Im going to put it out there that part of whats going on and for the better, ,its because of Petersen being out. Yes he breaks through, ill give him that, but theres way to many times of not getting through, and way to many many 1 or 2 yard gains that really dont win games
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I think the Vikings are good, but not better than most of the 3 and 4-win teams. They have been a little lucky, but as always, you make your own luck, so I'm not saying they don't deserve to be 5-0, I'm just saying they could be 3-2 and still be essentially the same team. It's too early to start Crowning anyone, teams get better as the season goes on.
Eli played OK tonight, but his receivers let him down far too often. When it's that consistently bad, I start to wonder what the Receivers Coach is doing, or not doing, to be more precise. I expect them to bounce back next weekend. If not, it will be a long season for the Giants.
Happy about the Raiders so far this season. As always, the Denver-Raiders matchups will prove enlightening.
And yeah, the Bengals are that bad.
The Bills? They often start a season strong, then start their usual losing streaks. So, no, I'm not surprised they beat New England, but don't start thinking they can hold up through a whole season; they won't.
Biggest surprise for me this weekend was Philly losing, although it was a close one.
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I was sure San Diego would find a way to lose, when I saw they were ahead. There's a pattern there.
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Last night's game won't be helping the ratings slump. Inept game on both sides. Carolina gave the game away with those time outs. They seem to be intent on proving last year was a fluke.
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Recent game results will help the Panthers with some much needed humility. I thought the Super Bowl was a well-deserved comeuppance. Seeing them unable to answer the bell this year gilds the lily. The way Atlanta is going forward and the loss of two division games so early puts Carolina in a position to worry about just making the playoffs.
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The two most intriguing games this week are Atlanta at Seattle and the Redskins hosting division rival Philly.
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Go Hawks ! :thumb:
As noted should be a heck of a game.
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Philly must regret the Kiko Alonzo trade. Now that he's 100% he's third in the league with 50 tackles, 24 assists. Philly has no one among the top 46.
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I've seen mention several times now about how ratings are way down this year for televised NFL games. Participation here on AC is way down as well, perhaps reflecting the same disinterest. Personally, I find I'm more interested in the standings than the actual games. More and more it seems like
"If you've seen one, you've seen them all". I'm tired of the commercials, the ever changing rules, the replay theatre and the spotty enforcement of penalties.
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For me my interest in football spins up once baseball playoffs are done, and once the initial rush of the NHL season opening dies down.
Typically I start watching football in mid November.
And by then my Chargers have usually set their season up - though not often in a good way these past 25 years!
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And by then my Chargers have usually set their season up - though not often in a good way these past 25 years!
Wasn't there a year where the Chargers finished the season with the #1 ranked offense and the #1 defense but had an 8-8 record?
They've always had great talent but can't seem to put it together.
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The NFC East is a dogfight this season. I wonder if Romo gets put back in-will the Cowboys continue as is? He has been unconvincing the last couple years.
The AFC West is another punch out division.
Writers are starting to circle like sharks around some coaches, yet Hue Jackson is getting a pass at 0-8. The new OT rules are producing crap, as predicted by saner voices. Draws are not good for the game.
Weird trade NE just made.
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The NFC East is a dogfight this season. I wonder if Romo gets put back in-will the Cowboys continue as is? He has been unconvincing the last couple years.
After being so-so for a while, NFC east looks very tough this year, Boys, Skins and Eagles all good.
I seen lots of discussion about Romo, I don't see how you put Romo in at this point, Prescott is now 6-1.
The loss was the first week, I think Prescott and Elliot were not quite ready in that first game.
I missed the game last night, watched the world series, but saw the highlights and Prescott came through when the game was on the line in the 4th and ot.
Randy
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The NFC East is a dogfight this season. I wonder if Romo gets put back in-will the Cowboys continue as is? He has been unconvincing the last couple years.
The AFC West is another punch out division.
Writers are starting to circle like sharks around some coaches, yet Hue Jackson is getting a pass at 0-8. The new OT rules are producing crap, as predicted by saner voices. Draws are not good for the game.
Weird trade NE just made.
This kind of thing is not new for ole Bill. Collins was a free agent whose negotiations weren't going anywhere. Maybe Van Noy is the replacement. Patriots got a compensatory pick and assured themselves he won't pop up on another AFC East team. Besides, with 2 of the best tight ends in the league, N.E. can expect to outscore nearly anyone. I have not seen the Patriots play since Brady returned but I bet Bellichick hasn't shown all his offensive cards yet this season. Surely they want to stick a finger in Goodell's eye after that expensive and unjust deflated football hoax.
The Patriots are coasting at this point.
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This kind of thing is not new for ole Bill. Collins was a free agent whose negotiations weren't going anywhere. Maybe Van Noy is the replacement. Patriots got a compensatory pick and assured themselves he won't pop up on another AFC East team. Besides, with 2 of the best tight ends in the league, N.E. can expect to outscore nearly anyone. I have not seen the Patriots play since Brady returned but I bet Bellichick hasn't shown all his offensive cards yet this season. Surely they want to stick a finger in Goodell's eye after that expensive and unjust deflated football hoax.
The Patriots are coasting at this point.
They are looking almost unbeatable. It is a Belichick type of trade and a good deal for the Browns.
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Anyone watch the Monday night game?
Wondering how the Vikings looked so good early, and now look so bad?
Key seems to be putting pressure on Bradford.
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Anyone watch the Monday night game?
Wondering how the Vikings looked so good early, and now look so bad?
Key seems to be putting pressure on Bradford.
Part of it apparently is that the Vikes lost a lot of key defenders.
Trent Williams (All-Pro LT) of the Skins suspended for 4 games (Violation of "illegal" substance).
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Their o line is very leaky right now. I thought they would trade for a tackle but didn't. I see today that Norv Turner resigned as the OC.
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The Giants may have put their slump behind them (I hope).
Shame my antenna only picks up Baltimore stations.
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Shame my antenna only picks up Baltimore stations.
And that's a problem HOW??? :cuss:
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And that's a problem HOW??? :cuss:
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If you have to ask... :P
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The Giants may have put their slump behind them (I hope).
Shame my antenna only picks up Baltimore stations.
I wish I could share your optimism on the Giants.
Eli continues to pull a Jekyll and Hyde act, and until he gets more consistent, the Gmen are going nowhere.
George
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As for Vikes. Now that's the team i like. Hey i think I'll stand two feet away while you somersault into end zone for a score. Zeez.
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I wish I could share your optimism on the Giants.
Eli continues to pull a Jekyll and Hyde act, and until he gets more consistent, the Gmen are going nowhere.
George
Cowboy fans talk of Good Eli and Bad Eli. When he is on, he is in the top 5, and when he's bad he looks like a rattled rookie. I'd say he's good more than half the time, so I'd not be surprised to see the Giants at 9-7 or 10-6. No one is catching the Cowboys this year in the east.
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The eagles are at 4-4, right where they were last season, the Redskins are looking on the improve, but I'll be surprised if any of them get a wild card. At this point.
Detroit just keeps that last minute magic going.
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A growing number of wet dreamers out there are starting to foam at the mouth over a Cowboys-Raiders Super Bowl. It's a realistic possibility, of course, assuming Brady gets suspended again before the playoffs. Otherwise, I will stand by my assertion that those things are nearly impossible to predict. That's why they have to play the actual games. No one has come up with a better pathway to profits. I think it has become safe to say that the two teams who competed for the big prize last year will be watching from their armchairs this go round. Beyond that --- we're gonna keep you guessing.
The Cowboys do have the best backup QB in the league and the NFC seems to be lame across the board this year so I like their chances. History, both from the long view and from the glare of present success, favors the Patriots to win another Trophy. Of course, it's never too late or too inappropriate for Roger Goodell to abuse his power in handicapping New England with an invented controversy. Maybe Gronkowski's emails will come under suspicion.
If none of that happens, then I think Atlanta plays N.E. in the Super Bowl and loses. Who do you see playing/ winning the biggest game?
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N.E. is close to a lock. The NFC looks like a toss up between Dallas and Atlanta.
The Pats are the favorite over either.
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I sure wouldn't count Seattle out. They already beat Atlanta and Wilson is healing. The NFL once again apologized to Seattle for blowing some calls in the NO game. Sherman says they lead the league in NFL apologies. :D
Dallas looks like a lock for the playoffs. I think those 3 are the top contenders.
NE looks like a lock as well.
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Raiders have a small outside chance, but very small. They should finally make the playoffs, and may be someone to contend with next year.
But for the AFC, unless there are injury problems, Pats look like a lock right now.
NFC, I think the Boys will be hard to beat, but of course as Fred pointed out, don't count out Seattle if Wilson gets healthy and can start running again. Atlanta will be there too, but I don't see them in the Super Bowl.
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This is some kettle of fish, eh? We're right about halfway through the season and our consensus says 28 teams have been eliminated. That's the math if we only see 4 possibilities in the hunt at this point and one of them (Seattle) is very iffy. At this rate we should be seeing the trophy handed over before Christmas.
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It ain't over 'til the Pro Bowl is over, Tom! :lol:
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That presents a problem because I am way over the Pro Bowl. Hey maybe that's why this season sucks --- nearly every game is like the freakin Pro Bowl.
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Ya think?
I haven't watched a game yet!
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Ya think?
I haven't watched a game yet!
Good for you. Why start now? The amount of interest this thread has drawn compared to past seasons and the fact that TV ratings are down 13% both suggest that your time is better spent alphabetizing the paint cans in your garage.
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Did that. Now sorting my T-shirts by alphabetical order.
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... The amount of interest this thread has drawn compared to past seasons and the fact that TV ratings are down 13% both suggest that your time is better spent alphabetizing the paint cans in your garage.
I've mostly stayed away from here this year. Too much negativity between fans of certain franchises.
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Did that. Now sorting my T-shirts by alphabetical order.
All of them? From ANAL to ZESTY --- all 6 drawers? Go, BOB!!
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My sock drawer is a mess but I'm pretty sure the Jets won't get the trophy this year.
Again.
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Pretty crappy weekend for me with both Steelers and Eagles losing. The Eagles are just a mess with both rookie coach and rookie quarterback making fatal mistakes. Yet they would have won had one or the other not made the mistakes, kick two field goals and win, or don't throw two interceptions right off and win. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. The Giants weren't all that good, okay, but not good.
As for the Steelers, Ben always comes back too soon and loses. Tomlin doesn't dare not play him if he wants to go. They'll be okay in a couple of weeks, but they may not have that much time to turn it around.
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What a game between Pitt and Dallas! Big Ben has 3 TD's and over 400 yards passing, and he still isn't the best player in the game. 7 lead changes. wow.
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What a game between Pitt and Dallas! Big Ben has 3 TD's and over 400 yards passing, and he still isn't the best player in the game. 7 lead changes. wow.
Great game as well as Seattle beating NE on the road. KC is becoming more interesting evrry week. The whole division really.
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This was the best weekend of football this year!!
Lots of compelling and exciting games and it finished with a win by the Giants.
While the Gmen still have lots of flaws, at least they are 6-3 and solidly in the playoff picture with games against Cleveland and Chicago the next two weeks. Can't afford any stumbles with the way Dallas keeps playing.
George
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This was the best weekend of football this year!!
Lots of compelling and exciting games and it finished with a win by the Giants.
While the Gmen still have lots of flaws, at least they are 6-3 and solidly in the playoff picture with games against Cleveland and Chicago the next two weeks. Can't afford any stumbles with the way Dallas keeps playing.
George
Beware the Bears!!!
...nah. Who am I kidding?
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What the heck happened to the Packers?
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Beware the Bears!!!
...nah. Who am I kidding?
It was way closer than I wanted to see...but a win, is a win.
Giants are now 7-3 and trying to keep pace with the Cowgirls.
George
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It was way closer than I wanted to see...but a win, is a win.
Giants are now 7-3 and trying to keep pace with the Cowgirls.
George
:lol: :lol:
Giants and skins are playing for a wildcard spot.
Without a running game, Giants can only go so far, although their defense is tough.
Seattle and Dallas are the teams to watch for from the NFC.
With their experience, Seattle will be tough in the playoffs.
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:lol: :lol:
Giants and skins are playing for a wildcard spot.
Without a running game, Giants can only go so far, although their defense is tough.
Seattle and Dallas are the teams to watch for from the NFC.
With their experience, Seattle will be tough in the playoffs.
Unless Dallas stumbles against Wash. or NY, they probably have home field advantage. But, the Hawks did just take down NE at their home. :D
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Watching the Dallas vs Washington game. Bryant is catching everything!
Well earned by Dallas. A team I have long enjoyed rooting against, but today they are playing well wth their young QB getting it done.
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Okay, so the Giants aren't taking the Vince Lombardi Trophy back to NY where it so rightfully belongs...
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Okay, so the Giants aren't taking the Vince Lombardi Trophy back to NY where it so rightfully belongs...
In a pawn shop? Again??? :roll:
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Steelers took care of business.
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The surprise team so far is Detroit, on top of their division with a two game lead. Kansas City is nipping at the Raiders' feet. It's a dogfight in that division. The Eagles are looking to repeat 7-9, if they can win two more. Time for a new head coach. :D
Dallas looks to be the no.1 seed, with their easy schedule. Somehow, the Rams keep paying their annually mediocre coach. Two more years? :duh:
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The surprise team so far is Detroit, on top of their division with a two game lead. Kansas City is nipping at the Raiders' feet. It's a dogfight in that division. The Eagles are looking to repeat 7-9, if they can win two more. Time for a new head coach. :D
Dallas looks to be the no.1 seed, with their easy schedule. Somehow, the Rams keep paying their annually mediocre coach. Two more years? :duh:
Don't really understand that Fisher thing. :scratch:
In the NFC - right now - Tampa is the scary hot team. If the playoffs were now.....
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Don't really understand that Fisher thing. :scratch:
In the NFC - right now - Tampa is the scary hot team. If the playoffs were now.....
I should have mentioned that. I had them losing in SD but they looked good. With the Atlanta games done I'm looking forward to that Dallas game!
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Dallas looks to be the no.1 seed, with their easy schedule.
Of the 11 Dallas wins, the only teams that had losing records that they beat were Cleveland, Chicago, and Washington, and the Washington club has not turned out to be "easy" for anyone else. Now after playing Dallas, some slipped into that .500 or less range, but at the time, they were holding their own. If Dallas is the #1 seed, it's because they've played good ball at the right times.
Oops, I forgot S.F. but that still has 7 of 11 teams were average or better. That's not what I call an especially soft schedule.
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The Eagles are looking to repeat 7-9, if they can win two more. Time for a new head coach. :D
Yeah, they really dropped off a cliff after the first three oh so optimistic games. The O line is decimated and the team was never good enough to overcome something like that. The kid tries hard, and still shows promise, but he's ill equipped to handle a team where tight ends dodge blocks and half the defense has given up. Thus the mess falls in the lap of the head coach. And a small minority of hot heads, Not Me, are already calling for the coach's head. Normal people and the Eagle ownership are definitely are in wait and see mode. The leash gets much shorter next year.
Oh yeah, how's our buddy Chip doing this year? Still pretty sure it was a good move to fire him. Easy argument, how good would the Eagle's be with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin, Lesean McCoy and even Evan Mathis still here?
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Even as a Dallas fan, I'd hate to see Philly fire their coaches. You've got to give them 3-4 years to see what they can build. I think they've actually made some good moves trying to recover from the bad judgement of GM Chipster. But it's going to need several years of good drafts to build a new core around their young QB.
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Of the 11 Dallas wins, the only teams that had losing records that they beat were Cleveland, Chicago, and Washington, and the Washington club has not turned out to be "easy" for anyone else. Now after playing Dallas, some slipped into that .500 or less range, but at the time, they were holding their own. If Dallas is the #1 seed, it's because they've played good ball at the right times.
Oops, I forgot S.F. but that still has 7 of 11 teams were average or better. That's not what I call an especially soft schedule.
The Cowboys schedule is ranked #27 by the NFL- That's considered pretty easy.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000652553/article/2016-strength-of-schedule-for-each-team
I don't consider that a knock on the Cowboys, like you apparently do. It's just football.
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Yeah, they really dropped off a cliff after the first three oh so optimistic games. The O line is decimated and the team was never good enough to overcome something like that. The kid tries hard, and still shows promise, but he's ill equipped to handle a team where tight ends dodge blocks and half the defense has given up. Thus the mess falls in the lap of the head coach. And a small minority of hot heads, Not Me, are already calling for the coach's head. Normal people and the Eagle ownership are definitely are in wait and see mode. The leash gets much shorter next year.
Oh yeah, how's our buddy Chip doing this year? Still pretty sure it was a good move to fire him. Easy argument, how good would the Eagle's be with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin, Lesean McCoy and even Evan Mathis still here?
The biggest problem for Philly has always been the Philly fans.
As for your SF question, one of the worst rosters in the league with Castro at QB and playing the #1 rated toughest schedule in the league this season. It's gonna be a long road for them in any case.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000653361/article/roster-reset-recap-four-power-teams-reign-in-nfc
The underperforming team in that conference is the Rams.
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A determination of who's easy made in Feb. usually need lots of re-assessment by this time of the year. Teams even wane and wax within a season, based on injury, leadership or lack thereof, and bounce of the ball.
11-1 means you're good, lucky, and have won some close games.
A good example- the article that you linked where the writer predicted 4 teams clearly at the top of the NFC. Looks like 3 out of 4 can't even make a wildcard spot. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000653361/article/roster-reset-recap-four-power-teams-reign-in-nfc
Every year is different.
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The biggest problem for Philly has always been the Philly fans.
As for your SF question, one of the worst rosters in the league with Castro at QB and playing the #1 rated toughest schedule in the league this season. It's gonna be a long road for them in any case.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000653361/article/roster-reset-recap-four-power-teams-reign-in-nfc
The underperforming team in that conference is the Rams.
No, the fans don't play the games, the Philly teams have been the biggest problem for Philly. And the Philly season ticket holders are at least sixty percent new. Jeffery got rid of the riff raff way back when seat licences were instituted in the old stadium. He pulled a billing scam to turn over as many of the old ticket holders as possible for a more affluent clientele. Because of that and improved security in the new stadium, the battery, beer can, and snowball throwing crowd is largely gone.
Good point about San Fran, there wasn't a lot to work with. Doesn't seem to have done much to make it better, but more power to him if he can resurrect that team in the next couple of years. And you're right about the Rams, I thought they were up and comers, maybe not a strong playoff team, but certainly much improved. Not so much I guess.
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Don't really understand that Fisher thing. :scratch:
In the NFC - right now - Tampa is the scary hot team. If the playoffs were now.....
What's not to understand? Jeff Fisher is 178 and 163 in his career as a head coach. This is the definition of mediocre. I'm not sure how he has a job.
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It's no surprise that the Rams kept him around. I mean, the Rams were a huge suckfest when they left LA, and they're a huge suckfest still. Fisher fills a very necessary spot for this franchise.
The funniest thing is to see these So Cal idiots that bought tons of Rams gear because they were suddenly *Fans*.
There are lawsuits starting here because *Fans* paid tens of thousands of dollars for seat licenses that can't be sold for tens of cents now.
Go Jeff Fisher!!
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I imagine LA is starting to miss the Raiders. :lol:
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The Giants defense looked pretty good last night.
Wish I could say that same about their offence but a Beckham is one speedy little guy.
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They've been playing pretty well the last several weeks. Pittsburgh excluded. Definately in the playoff mix. With Seattle losing, Dallas would have to lose their remaining games to lose the home field advantage.
For NY, the Lions and Redskins are tough games coming up, mainly because of the Giants low scoring and playing the last game at Wash.
Man, LA sure changed their minds about Fisher in a hurry.
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I'll say. With the season winding down you think they could have kept Jeff Fisher around until it was over.
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I don' t mind seeing Fisher go, I was surprised they gave him an extension.
And if you're going to shop for a new head coach, it's better to start early.
With Dallas and Oakland losing, some of the races got more interesting.
Randy
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I'll say. With the season winding down you think they could have kept Jeff Fisher around until it was over.
What was confusing was that they extended him before the season but they (someone) announced it just a while ago. They had lost 8 out of the last 9 games with the lowest scoring offense - something like 15 pts. game.
Funny, all the possible NFC playoff teams won - outside of Dallas and Seattle who played NYG and GB.
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Don't look now, but the Big Blue Wrecking Crew is back!!
Over the last 8 weeks the Giants have the number 1 defense and the last two weeks have held down Dallas' and Detroit's strong offenses.
The offense is still shaky and is too much boom or bust.
That said, I am starting to believe that they have as good a chance as anybody in the NFC.
It will sure get interesting if the Bucs can beat Dallas tonight...
George
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Wouldn't that be something if the Giants continue to win?
I've written them off for dead quite a few times this season while, God help me, I"m forced to watch the Ravens as that's what my antenna picks up.
I now have nightmares about Joe Flacco's eyebrows.
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:finger: 8)
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Steelers win !!! Division Champs !!! :thumb:
Touchdown to win win with 9 seconds left .
Steelers were down 10 go back to back touchdown drives !! Ravens come back on a long drive to take the lead with only 1:28 left to take the lead , Ben drives team down to win the game .
Best game of the year !!!! Wow !!!
Anybody catch this game ?
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Oh , you must check out the touchdown to win the game!
A dangerous short pass over the middle to Antonio Brown , if he does not stretch the ball over the end zone line , the clock would have run out with no time to kick the field goal to tie the game . WOW !!! :thumb: :thumb:
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Steelers win !!! Division Champs !!! :thumb:
Touchdown to win win with 9 seconds left .
Steelers were down 10 go back to back touchdown drives !! Ravens come back on a long drive to take the lead with only 1:28 left to take the lead , Ben drives team down to win the game .
Best game of the year !!!! Wow !!!
Anybody catch this game ?
Great game!
Gutsy call on the touchdown by the Steelers.
George
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Pats vs Boys in the Super Bowl?
In the AFC
Too bad about Raiders, with Carr the might have made it interesting. Chiefs maybe, but I don't really see anyone going into Foxburo and winning.
In the NFC, I guess the giants know how to beat the cowboys lol.
I still think the Seahawks are dangerous, but they had some injuries so not sure about them.
I don't see Atlanta there at the end, Packers outside shot.
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I hope Brady takes the Super Bowl win and rubs Goodell's nose in it. Receiving a 4 game suspension over allegedly tampering with air pressure in footballs while wife-beaters, drunk drivers, drug abusers and molesters of every stripe face lesser punishment or none at all causes me to root for the Pats this year. Jolly Roger reminds me of another orange jackass silver spoon incompetent.
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lol jack
I think the suspension helped Brady, at his age it's hard to stay healthy for an entire season. He had a 4 game "vacation".
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Poor Brady, it must have been the Russians. :thumb:
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lol jack
I think the suspension helped Brady, at his age it's hard to stay healthy for an entire season. He had a 4 game "vacation".
Maybe so but the ingrate did not seem to appreciate his time off. I think if he had, there might have been no protracted court battle. Doesn't matter though --- Suh will kill him next Sunday anyway. Shame, really, I always liked Tom.
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Still can't believe that the Giants finished 11-5 and made the playoffs! :thumb:
If you asked me at the start of the season what the Giants needed to do to make the playoffs, I would have said that the offense would have to carry the team and I hope that the defense can do better than being ranked 30th (that's where they finished last year).
Well, clearly I didn't know this Giants team. The defense was outstanding (they have let up the fewest points since week 7 and finished overall) and will need to continue to be outstanding if the Giants have any chance of advancing in the playoffs.
On offense, they have one of the best players in the NFL (OBJ) and a quarterback (Eli) who can beat anybody and/or who can throw 3 or 4 picks.
Should be interesting...
George
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The Giants got much further than I thought they would when I first started this years thread. I think they had gotten killed in every preseason game back then.
Congratulations to the Packers, it took them a while to get going. Shame on the Giants wide receivers for going down to Florida instead of practicing, the idiots.
Next weekend's games should be good ones.
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I hope Brady takes the Super Bowl win and rubs Goodell's nose in it. Receiving a 4 game suspension over allegedly tampering with air pressure in footballs while wife-beaters, drunk drivers, drug abusers and molesters of every stripe face lesser punishment or none at all causes me to root for the Pats this year. Jolly Roger reminds me of another orange jackass silver spoon incompetent.
+1 :thumb:
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The Giants got much further than I thought they would when I first started this years thread. I think they had gotten killed in every preseason game back then.
Congratulations to the Packers, it took them a while to get going. Shame on the Giants wide receivers for going down to Florida instead of practicing, the idiots.
Next weekend's games should be good ones.
Steve,
The Giants loss today had nothing to do with a few receivers spending their day off in Miami. Shame on you for suggesting so.
We are in agreement that the Giants' season was a pleasant surprise.
They need to bolster their offensive line and get Eli back on track if they are to improve next year. It can't all be on the Defense and Beckham.
At this point, I hope the Pack continues to run the table and win it all.
George
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I like the Cowboy's chances. GB will have to stop the run, and I don't think they can.
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I suppose you're right about their trip and they did better than I thought they would.
I can't imagine playing in those temperatures.
I like the Packers and they got hot right when they needed to.
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All the division winning home teams won this weekend and all by large margins. Noting that last year's all the Wildcard teams won, including this year's winners the Packers, Seahawks, and Steelers, with Kansas City being the other winner. So all of last year's Wildcard teams came back and won their division this year. I wonder how many times that has happened, if ever.
GO STEELERS!!!
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Steve,
The Giants loss today had nothing to do with a few receivers spending their day off in Miami. Shame on you for suggesting so.
We are in agreement that the Giants' season was a pleasant surprise.
They need to bolster their offensive line and get Eli back on track if they are to improve next year. It can't all be on the Defense and Beckham.
At this point, I hope the Pack continues to run the table and win it all.
George
I am not so sure. At one point in the game the commentators made a remark about the balls being dropped by the receivers that went to Miami and the caught balls being by those who stayed home.
Who knows what would have happened if a few of those early drops were instead TDs.
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Anyone think we can have a Super Bowl XLV rematch?
Like mentioned this weekends game were all won by home teams and by a margin.
I believe next weekend games will be a lot more interesting and closer in score.
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Anyone think we can have a Super Bowl XLV rematch?
Meh - I'd rather see KC vs. Atlanta. Something different.
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Next weekend HAS to be better, no real exciting games this weekend.
Dallas GB should be good. GB's secondary is banged up, but they have Rogers. Overall, Dallas is the better team, but if you get hot at the right time ...
Think all the games could be close, except NE. Don't give Houston much of a chance in NE.
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It can't all be on the Defense and Beckham.
Beckman certainly had the 'big choke' yesterday !
At this point, I hope the Pack continues to run the table and win it all.
George
ditto ...........
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Meh - I'd rather see KC vs. Atlanta. Something different.
agreed .............
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I keep getting sucked into football each year only to see Detroit deal with ridiculous calls. Apparently a ball 4 feet from a fast WR going full speed is uncatchable even though he was being held back... then Russell Wilson with an obvious block to the back on a key play...not catching any of the holds or shoves of the Seattle OL, and of course...the TD facemask. There is no way someone can convince me that the official can see a WR held by a defender and not call a flag because a ball is just out of his reach. Does he not understand the rules? You cannot be that biased toward one team in a playoff game. I particularly enjoyed seeing an immediate whistle when a defender got near Wilson but they allowed Stafford to be picked up by his shoulders and feet by two defenders for a second before blowing the whistle.
Just needed to vent. I know it's all 'entertainment' and not an actual sport, but it's all we got.
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I keep getting sucked into football each year only to see Detroit deal with ridiculous calls. Apparently a ball 4 feet from a fast WR going full speed is uncatchable even though he was being held back... then Russell Wilson with an obvious block to the back on a key play...not catching any of the holds or shoves of the Seattle OL, and of course...the TD facemask. There is no way someone can convince me that the official can see a WR held by a defender and not call a flag because a ball is just out of his reach. Does he not understand the rules? You cannot be that biased toward one team in a playoff game. I particularly enjoyed seeing an immediate whistle when a defender got near Wilson but they allowed Stafford to be picked up by his shoulders and feet by two defenders for a second before blowing the whistle.
Just needed to vent. I know it's all 'entertainment' and not an actual sport, but it's all we got.
Both QB's were sacked three times.
Detroit- 7 penalties. Seattle- 6 penalties
Not much disparity there.
Detroit 3rd down efficiency 18%‘ Seattle- 56%
Net yards- Detroit 231. Seattle 387
Detroit 4th downs-0-2 0% Seattle 2 for 2 100%
Time of possession. Detroit- 23:21 Seattle- 36:39
That's why you lost 26-06.
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Not a fan of either team, and the better team won, but to my eye test, there was lots of grabbing by the Seattle db that went uncalled (surprise, surprise). Just because flags were about equal doesn't mean the officiating was equitable.
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Some really bad non-calls but if Detroit had not gone 0 for 5 in their last 5 games, I'd feel badly for them.
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The Los Angeles Chargers?
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The Los Angeles Chargers?
Anaheim Chargers?
Crazy, ain't it? No team for decades after losing a team twice and suddenly LA might have two mediocre/bad teams. How long before they move out again?
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Yeah, exactly what I was thinking, where's the fan base. There's enough population, witness basketball and baseball, but LA was never a rabid football town. Maybe the new mega stadium will bring them in. A sad day for all San Diego fans. I lived there in the fifties and sixties as a kid and was a fan of the Chargers and the Rams (two different leagues then, no conflict), so I was glad to see the Rams go back, however I view it as a tragedy that the Chargers are leaving San Diego.
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Tis a fool's errand to look anywhere outside the NFL's boundless greed for explanations about their behavior.
My question is: "Who will buy tickets and memorabilia from these sharks once the next great taking occurs?" I haven't attended a game in many years but my read is that contact sports depend heavily on working class support. Workers are unlikely to see their expendable income increase as time passes, given the signs being posted everywhere.
Maybe we will use the new stadiums for public executions on reality TV.
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LA won't support bad teams, can't see Chargers drawing well.
But San Diego voted against paying for a new stadium, or this would not be happening.
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Tis a fool's errand to look anywhere outside the NFL's boundless greed for explanations about their behavior.
From what I just read/heard on nfl.com, they're actually none too happy about it. It seemed to be mainly the Chargers' owner's decision. (Maybe, I haven't been following this too closely.)
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LA won't support bad teams, can't see Chargers drawing well.
But San Diego voted against paying for a new stadium, or this would not be happening.
San Diego must pay a price for refusing the ransom demand.
The sooner we all turn our backs on the NFL, the better. At some point, they need to recognize the feelings and concerns of those who supply them with their income. For me the NFL has outlived its usefulness.
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San Diego must pay a price for refusing the ransom demand.
The sooner we all turn our backs on the NFL, the better. At some point, they need to recognize the feelings and concerns of those who supply them with their income. For me the NFL has outlived its usefulness.
My understanding was it was a hotel bed tax, so not "directly" out of their pockets.
But if we had a vote in LA to pay for a stadium, I would have voted against it.
I like watching football, as long as I don't have to pay for it :D
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I grew up watching and playing football so it's kind of hard for me to stop watching and following it. Though if they had to depend on me or if the fans spent money on them like I do - they'd have gone bankrupt a long time ago! :lol:
Teams I'd like to see win this weekend.
Chiefs
Packers
Falcons
Texans
Teams that I think and will most likely win this weekend
Steelers
Cowbags
Seahawks
Pats
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The Los Angeles Chargers?
Why sure ........that's where they began 57 years ago !
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San Diego must pay a price for refusing the ransom demand.
The sooner we all turn our backs on the NFL, the better. At some point, they need to recognize the feelings and concerns of those who supply them with their income. For me the NFL has outlived its usefulness.
While I tend to agree (were both well beyond the age of 50 obviously) the marketing arm of the NFL doesn't give a damn about us. the have the 'youngins' all drawn in. FWIW I think Godell is nothing but a 'tool'
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So now a lackluster fan base will be divided between two teams?
Yeah, this makes good business sense...... :shake:
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So now a lackluster fan base will be divided between two teams?
Yeah, this makes good business sense...... :shake:
There was excitement in the beginning, I think because many "kids" never have seen a live pro football game, so Rams had no trouble selling tickets.
Long time ago, I shared a season ticket with my brother, and we went with my dad. So I saw a lot of games in my younger days, and not really interested in paying a ton of money to see a bad team.
The excitement evaporated as the losses mounted. So even though the games were sold out, there were a lot of empty seats at the end. And even the games they won were boring, as the Ram's offense was dreadful.
Chargers are going to play in some tiny place until new stadium is built, actually would probably be fun to see them in the little place lol
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Steelers game moved to 8:20 pm due to ice storm heading to KC on Sunday .
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Apparently it's a "concern for the fans" issue with them traveling to the game, which makes sense if the storm hits when it's suppose to and it warms up later in the day, like it's suppose to. Betting on weathermen is probably worse than betting on pro football so I hope it works for them there in KC. Go Steelers!
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I find the weather really accurate for the next 24 hours. For some reason, they're really good at predicting wind. One weekend I saw a high wind prediction for Tuesday. Right on the money. NASA just sent up a couple of new satellites that will give us better info on current weather conditions which is supposed improve their prediction prowess.
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The Falcons look REALLY good this year.
The playoffs are making up for a really dull regular season.
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As a Seattle resident and Seahawks fan, I have to say that the Seahawks ended up about where I figured they would. They still have some great strengths and players, but the decimation of the offensive line due to free agency and retirement left them very vulnerable, and it was evident all season. After all the success in previous years, they hade to pay big money to their key players this year, so no $ was left under the cap for the offensive line. This hampered the offense big time, led to injuries to Russell Wilson, and dramatically increased the time the defense was on the field. This in turn led to defensive fatigue and injuries, culminating in the loss of Earl Thomas a few weeks back, who was the glue in the downfield defense. Yesterday's game was the showcase for all this. I was glad to see the season end without more injuries to Wilson, et al. There's always next year, as they say.
This year Dallas, Atlanta, NE and Green Bay are the more complete teams. The playoffs do look interesting, for sure.
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The playoffs are making up for a really dull regular season.
So far all of the playoff games have been one-sided. :scratch:
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Yesterday's game was the showcase for all this.
It looked like the remnants of a once great team that is now on a slow decline.
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What a game !!!!
Tied at 28!!!
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Great second half!
My brother is a Packers fan.
I am happy for the Home fans to see a great performance so far.
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Great second half!
:thumb:
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56 yard field goal for Greebay!! 3rd longest in playoff history!! :thumb:
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Clutch kickers!
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52 yard field goal to tie !!! What a leg on that guy !! :thumb:
Right down the middle !!
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Absolute stunning throw and even better 36 yard reception !!
To give kicker a 50 yard attempt !!
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Omg !! End the last min. Time out !!!!
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Congrats to the Pack. My Cowboy coaches for some reason, decided to not grind the ball with the best running game in the NFL. :duh: Oh well. Hope the packers win it all.
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Excellent excellent game
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Dallas fans have more reason for optimism than they've had for years. This is a team that should be good and improve over the next 5 years.
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Excellent excellent game
finally ........a great playoff game
Congrats to the Packers
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Wow what a game. One of the best playoff games in a longtime.
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Gooooo Steelers!!!! :thumb: 6 field goals for Boswell!!! That's a record in the playoffs!!
170 yards for Bell!! :thumb:
Steelers in their way to to New England .
They best figure out a way to score touchdowns in the red zone .
Steelers' defense was pretty darn strong all night .
18-16 Final
Very entertaining game.
I'm excited to see another Steekers playoff game !!! :D
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Not worried about all the field goals, it happens that way some times. The Steelers have proven their ability to score touchdowns all season. If they had made touchdowns in just half of those field goal drives it would have been a 30-16 blowout, in other words they still won a game they struggled mightily in. I give them a solid chance to win in New England.
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In hindsight, spiking the ball on that last cowboy drive was a mistake. In real life, I was happy at the time when they did it, lol. And I was rooting for the cowboys.
But no matter who you were rooting for, best playoff game this year, IMHO.
The Atlanta GB game should be entertaining, high scoring game.
I don't give Pittsburgh much of a chance against the Pats, but maybe Big Ben will prove me wrong.
I had predicted a Seahawks vs Pats Superbowl, not gonna happen now :scratch:
So will say GB vs Pats, with the Pats winning it all.
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Anyone think we can have a Super Bowl XLV rematch?
Still think it is possible........we will have to wait and see.
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To me it shapes up as New England-Atlanta. The Packers will need another 'magic' game from Rodgers to pull it off. That would be no surprise though.
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To me it shapes up as New England-Atlanta. The Packers will need another 'magic' game from Rodgers to pull it off. That would be no surprise though.
He's done it before, that's why I picked GB.
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Don't be like Ben.
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I think that defensive lineman are some of the scariest humans on the planet. That amount of size, strength AND agility is a really frightening combo.
It must really suck to get hit by a guy who is 6'4, 265 and can run a 5 second 40!
Not that the guys who operate right behind them are any picnic to get crushed by either as linebackers, but knowing a couple of DL who were not big or fast enough to make the pro's, and seeing them wander through society it puts it in perspective.
I have no horse left in this race (again).
Wide open to whoever makes it, as long as it is not some 49-17 one sided drubbing that is over by halftime.
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Don't be like Ben. Ben is a rapist. Helluva good quarterback, but a criminal.
Ben is not a rapist, you know nothing of the incident so your comment is irresponsible. I happen to know what occurred. It doesn't put Big Ben in flattering light, he was extremely disrespectful to a young lady who was engaged in a consenting sexual encounter, but it wasn't close to rape. The authorities in Georgia felt the same and no charges were pressed. The details are not PG so left out here. Although his behaviour was not criminal, it wasn't something an NFL star should be engaged in and his punishment from the league was warranted.
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I doubt your facts. Were you there? At the scene of more than one incident?
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Regardless if he was there or not it's not smart to post hearsay accusations on a public forum - it's a potential libel issue.
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OK, the police report is more damning anyway. CNN had a pretty full expose a couple of years back. I'll find it and post a link.
Let's just say Leti thinks he's innocent, I think he's probably guilty.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/16/roethlisberger.incident/index.html
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That's not what happened in the bathroom. The sexual act the girl performed occurred in the bathroom, and was consensual except at the end of it. If you can read between the lines you might get an idea of what happened. What she reported to the police was a lie and the officer on the scene said he thought she wasn't being straight with him. Her girlfriends dragged the girl over to the police car, she had no intention of reporting anything. The rape examination came up empty because there wasn't one. No charges were filed and no civil suit was brought. Ben was truthful to the Steelers and league officials and he was punished appropriately for his misbehavior.
He also paid an out of court settlement to a female for an incident in Las Vegas. The girl went to his room willingly, they did have sex, the girl later claimed it wasn't consensual. A common thing with young, rich, celebrities, was the girl looking for a paycheck, who knows. No charges were filed, from memory the girl's claim was sometime after the event. In both cases it shows a lack of maturity and a pattern of disrespect to women. He was wrong, way wrong, and deserves the punishment he received and the lack of respect you deem appropriate. However throwing the rapist word around is unfair, untrue, and irresponsible.
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Excuse me. I didn't realize that you were also in that locked room with the accused criminal and his alleged victim. Look, the truth is that she said it was rape, he says it's consensual, and only the two of them know for sure. You believe his version, I believe hers. He has a history. Hotshot QB's have been entitled since jr. high.
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Guys,
Please cease and desist on the rape and criminal talk.
That is not what this circle is for.
Thanks.
George
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Go Packers!
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The Las Vegas Raiders?!?
Guess they could have an Elvis impersonator as a mascot.
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The Las Vegas Raiders?!?
Guess they could have an Elvis impersonator as a mascot.
Or a Mafia stooge? John Gotti? Chumli from Pawn Stars?
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Jimmy Hoffa, that's the ticket!
What has happened to the NFL?
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Regardless if he was there or not it's not smart to post hearsay accusations on a public forum - it's a potential libel issue.
regardless, he sure as hell not a role model, not that any athlete should be so construed
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So this weekend's matchups look like a couple of slam dunks for New England and Atlanta with as of today point spreads of -6 and -5 to -6 respectively. But being the NFL we'll likely get an upset in one of the games, question is which one? The Patriots have the Steelers number throughout the years, and the Packers are pretty beat up. So what do you guys and girl think? Which underdog has the best chance to upset?
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Well my opinion is don't bet against Rogers. I think he is the best quarterback, even thought the other teams have elite quarterbacks.
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Well my opinion is don't bet against Rogers. I think he is the best quarterback, even thought the other teams have elite quarterbacks.
Unless he has the flu
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/aaron_rodgers_dealing_with_sickness_ahead_of_nfc_championship_game/s1_12680_23014747?mb_edition=20170121
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Jimmy Hoffa, that's the ticket!
What has happened to the NFL?
Roger Goodell. He intentionally injected the poison of politics whenever possible.
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So this weekend's matchups look like a couple of slam dunks for New England and Atlanta with as of today point spreads of -6 and -5 to -6 respectively. But being the NFL we'll likely get an upset in one of the games, question is which one? The Patriots have the Steelers number throughout the years, and the Packers are pretty beat up. So what do you guys and girl think? Which underdog has the best chance to upset?
I'm hoping for Pittsburgh. My wife bought our two daughters Steelers shirts, so we'll all be in front of the TV, fully attired in Steelers gear, including a large hand with the index finger up, giving the #1 sign. We do have a terrible towel, but my wife rotated it into our normal dish towel rotation. Mon Dieu! Sacrilege! Heresy!
In reality, I don't have much hope that Pittsburgh will beat New England, but we'll see.
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I'm hoping for Pittsburgh. My wife bought our two daughters Steelers shirts, so we'll all be in front of the TV, fully attired in Steelers gear, including a large hand with the index finger up, giving the #1 sign. We do have a terrible towel, but my wife rotated it into our normal dish towel rotation. Mon Dieu! Sacrilege! Heresy!
In reality, I don't have much hope that Pittsburgh will beat New England, but we'll see.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/fifteen-steelers-players-battle-flu-bug-afc-title-game-article-1.2952073
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So this weekend's matchups look like a couple of slam dunks for New England and Atlanta with as of today point spreads of -6 and -5 to -6 respectively. But being the NFL we'll likely get an upset in one of the games, question is which one? The Patriots have the Steelers number throughout the years, and the Packers are pretty beat up. So what do you guys and girl think? Which underdog has the best chance to upset?
I've always liked the Steelers because as a franchise they always seem to represent the true game. But if they were to win it would be a shocker. If Rogers has another ridiculous game and they win, I wouldn't be surprised. Atlanta gets my bet though as they are the better team.
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The Steelers will need a great team effort to win today ! I believe it can be done . Ben must have a great game. The Steelers must be effective in the red zone . Our defense must hit Tom hard and often , keeping him off balance and out of sync. Bell must continue his dominance . Special teams need to be as good as last week. And we must tackle well.
Go Steelers!!! :thumb: :thumb:
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Brian Billick was on the NFL Channel this morning and did a statistical analysis of what the Steelers need to do to win. It was something like 550 yards of offense including over 200 yards on the ground with Brady throwing four interceptions and Pittsburgh scoring touchdowns on every trip to the red zone or kicking 21 field goals. Obviously tongue in cheek, but it seems like Pittsburgh almost needs to do something like that too win in Foxbourgh. I'll have my black and gold on, and give the Steelers a puncher's chance to win, but the odds are stacked against them.
Best Steeler joke lately, James Harrison has a bear rug in his house. It's not dead, it's just afraid to move.
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My brother is a long time Pats fan. My other brother a long time Pack fan.
I don't feel at all bad about pulling in the opposite direction in both games!
I have great respect for what all 4 teams have done to get here. I want to see 2 great games mostly.
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Now it's Firealarmgate!!!!!
A Pats fan was arrested for pulling the fire alarm at the Steelers hotel at 3am . I wonder how the Steekers slept last night ?
Cheaters gonna cheat !!
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Now it's Firealarmgate!!!!!
A Pats fan was arrested for pulling the fire alarm at the Steelers hotel at 3am . I wonder how the Steekers slept last night ?
Cheaters gonna cheat !!
Went off at 3am, hotel evacuated, don't know how long they waited to get back in. Of course it's not the Patriots actions, just a nut case fan, but it just seems like "back in New England".
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I love that! It's like old time football before Goodell brought the estrogen into the league.
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Went off at 3am, hotel evacuated, don't know how long they waited to get back in. Of course it's not the Patriots actions, just a nut case fan, but it just seems like "back in New England".
Tommy from Quinzee strikes again!
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17-0 Falcons !! Making it look easy !!!!
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Pack failing to make anything happen on either side of the ball so far.
Great start by Atlanta.
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Steelers 20-17
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Steelers looking very mediocre 24 yard net punt .
D looking pretty good ish, must tackle a bit better .
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This could be a blowout !!!!!
10-0 already
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And..... Bell is talking to the doctor !!not good !!
He has run for about 170 yards the past 2 games .
Luckily D. Williams is a fine back up .
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Williams looks to be a better runner tonight .
A missed fudging extra point !!!!???
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Pack failing to make anything happen on either side of the ball so far.
Great start by Atlanta.
Too bad it wasn't a better game. Very one sided and Packers had way too many mistakes in the beginning between, missed field goal, turn over, injuries.
Good for Atlanta.
Now go Steelers as I don't want to see the Pats in another super bowl.
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I know it's early in the game, but it's already looking meh for the Steelers.
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I know it's early in the game, but it's already looking meh for the Steelers.
It's not that early and the lead is now 24. :cry:
Unfortunately, I don't see the Steelers coming back.
It will be all on Atlanta to stop the Pats in two weeks.
George
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It will be all on Atlanta to stop the Pats in two weeks.
George
I suspect it will be up to the Pats to keep up with Atlanta.
As much as I dislike N.E., I dislike the Steelers even more. Even the Giants :wink: don't hold as high a place on my black list.
Now the Beagles, :cuss:
Go Falcons!
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GO PATS! I hope Brady gets ring #5! Should be a great game either way. :thumb:
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These have been by far the worst playoffs I can remember...what was it, like ONE competitive game out of eight? And on top of that, I have to watch the same team there urt again in the SuperBowl...all credit where its due to the Pats, but this is just getting so old. In this age of parity, its absurd that 31 other teams cant get their stuff together to where they can challenge this team. The QB position just has way too much influence on the team's success in today's game. Sometimes its almost as if the other 21 positions on the team dont even matter.
Anyway, just venting...I love the NFL...but ive seen this story one time too many. If the Falcons dont make it competitive by halftime, I could see this being the first SB that I stopped watching. Tonight was the first AFC Champ game I turned off in favor of a movie. Nerve. Dave Franco and some 20-something actors Ive never heard of. Was a fun ride. Much better than seeing the Steelers crap the bed.
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I had the Falcon and Pats in our little football pool, but didn't think both games would be such blowouts. I'm a Steeler fan and I went to sleep in the fourth quarter. Hopefully the matchup makes for a great Super Bowl. With the wind out of my sails now I don't care who wins, just rooting for a good game.
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Embarrassing loss for the Steelers!! An elite team against a mediocre squad, who could not rise to a level to play a great game.
I turned it off to watch Sneaky Pete as I was disgusted.
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The Patriots want this Super Bowl trophy badly to make a statement about the deflategate horsepucky. Watch for Goodell's officials to give Atlanta some extra help. One of the more subtle ways of helping a team is to allow defensive backs to hold and otherwise interfere with receivers while you look the other way. Another is strategically calling holding at the line of scrimmage. Both are easy to call or ignore because both occur on every play. Big Bill knows how to get around this to a degree.
Dan Quinn is being celebrated as a coaching wunderkind but I expect the staff from Foxboro to know just what to do to an upstart squad and I have seen Matt Ryan lose his cool many a time in the face of excellent defense.
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I have turned off many Superbowl blowouts by half time in the past.
I enjoyed last weekend's games a lot more than this weekend, but was not surprised by either outcome.
I hope the 2 teams rest up, practice well, and get ready to deliver an excellent product on Superbowl Sunday. I want to see a great game.
I expect Atlanta's offense to continue to perform. We will see if the Pats can be shut down, or it if is a barnburner of a final.
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I hosted a Steeler's party last night, had a bottle of champagne in the fridge just in case they won. Hoping to crack it open should the Falcon's win....I suspect I'll get to keep it another year.
I've had more entertainment this season watching the live Premier League soccer games Saturday mornings on NBCSN.
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In 2016 everything changed. Entertainment has taken over all aspects and enterprises of American life. Fiction has been substituted with genuine lies at every turn. It seems clear that credibility is not a particularly valued commodity any longer.
The media is the message. Bucky Fuller got that right. I wonder if he said anything else we might need to know.
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After this Super Bowl BB and TB will both be the indisputable GOATs :thumb:
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The media is the message. Bucky Fuller got that right. I wonder if he said anything else we might need to know.
Uh, Tom, Marshall McLuhan said that. I think Bucky designed the Geodesic (sp?) dome.... I heard McLuhan speak at my college, back in the day when we walked to school, up hill in the snow, both ways. :thumb:
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The Patriots want this Super Bowl trophy badly to make a statement about the deflategate horsepucky. Watch for Goodell's officials to give Atlanta some extra help. One of the more subtle ways of helping a team is to allow defensive backs to hold and otherwise interfere with receivers while you look the other way. Another is strategically calling holding at the line of scrimmage. Both are easy to call or ignore because both occur on every play. Big Bill knows how to get around this to a degree.
Dan Quinn is being celebrated as a coaching wunderkind but I expect the staff from Foxboro to know just what to do to an upstart squad and I have seen Matt Ryan lose his cool many a time in the face of excellent defense.
I tend to agree but I'll be pulling for the Falcons given that Ryan is a local kid to my area
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I tend to agree but I'll be pulling for the Falcons given that Ryan is a local kid to my area
Check the Patriot roster and I believe you will find a number of Rutgers players and others from New Jersey. If so, who will you be pulling for in the face of new data?
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Uh, Tom, Marshall McLuhan said that. I think Bucky designed the Geodesic (sp?) dome.... I heard McLuhan speak at my college, back in the day when we walked to school, up hill in the snow, both ways. :thumb:
I remember those days. We started doing that in September and continued through until just after Easter when we had to transition to blinding sunlight and relentless heat without food or water. At least you came away with some accurate info. Obviously I didn't fare as well. Marshall McLuhan it is.
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I photographed the talk for the college paper, using a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Otherwise don't remember much.
Focusing screen was in backwards and all the shots were soft as a result. :duh:
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Mentioned in an earlier post, but clearly the worst NFL play-offs I can remember. One compelling game in ten. ( Green Bay/Dallas) At least it looks like the Super Bowl has a chance of being somewhat interesting.
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On the local news tonight that Big Ben's reviewing his future options, including retirement as an option. Just a publicity stunt so the fans beg him to stay rather than kick him out of town....this'll work for him as he's smarter than most Steeler's fans :lol:
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This is it.
I'm hoping the Falcons can rise to the occasion and it'll be a great game.
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I feel the same way, except I'm not sure who might come out of the gate smokin, taking a big lead and ruining the game. I think it comes down to if the Patriot defense can throttle the Falcon offense and take a lead. One assumes the logical strategy is to put Butler on the number two Sanu and double Jones, maybe Belichick will come up with something different. If the Patriots can't do that I could see the Falcons up by fourteen in the first quarter, if they can it may be the other way 'round.
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I think I'll put music on and read a book. Been an NFL fan since I was a kid, but may have watched just one game this year. :roll:
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I think I'll put music on and read a book. Been an NFL fan since I was a kid, but may have watched just one game this year. :roll:
Bob - Have you lost your Raven Cravens? I'm losing interest too. In years past I always knocked the NFL during the offseason only to cave and sign on once real games started. This year I was much less faithful and attentive. And the Super Bowl ......... ?
I don't know >>>>>> game time decision, I suppose.
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I bet the under .......
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Go Falcons!
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It's amazing on how much #rap they babble about in the pregame. I just turn it off until the action starts. Go Falcons!
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Blow out!! Who saw this coming ?
Tons of time of course , but no team has come back from a 14 point deficit mych less 21.
But if anyone can it's Brady.
They can't stop the Falcons though.
They are getting a ton of pressure on Brady.
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It's amazing on how much #rap they babble about in the pregame. I just turn it off until the action starts. Go Falcons!
I watched the pre-game show with Terry Bradshaw. I recall an interview with Jeff Dunham, in which he said he had a deal to participate in the shows a few years ago but Bradshaw deliberately cut him out - I can see why now, Bradshaw was worried about being out smarted by one of the dummies.
Great game for Falcon's fans...
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That was really deflating for the Pats to only come away a field goal! :thumb:
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Lady Gaga absolutely killed it !!!!
Anyone disagree?
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Ohh la Gaga! 8)
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Lady Gaga absolutely killed it !!!!
Anyone disagree?
I do.
While I know she is talented, I was totally uninterested.
I was impressed with the acrobatics and the drones.
I wish Prince was still around...now that was a beast of a halftime show.
George
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Horrid coaching !!!!!!
Run the ball twice and a f ing field goal . Pass sack , too 13 or so yards , pass -holding 10 yard loss , no field goal!!
Here comes Tom
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OMG !!!!
First OT ever in SB!!
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Interesting.
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Oh my....one Pats play from the biggest Super Bowl comeback.
First and goal at the Falcons 2 yard line....
George
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Wow. Contrats!
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Whatta choke
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Brady and Belichick are the best of all time. Damn.
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Brady will not be denied. Edelman. Quite a show.
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Wow! Brady is the g.o.a.t.! :thumb:
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An exciting end to an otherwise dull season.
Congratulations to the Patriots, they were the better team.
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The Patriots should thank Dan Quinn. Atlanta had the ball on the New England's 22 yard line with less than 3 1/2 minutes left. Doing anything but 3 runs up the gut was simply idiotic. It was a chip shot for Bryant, and 3 points would have put the game out of reach. Dropping Ryan back to pass was simply stupid.
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The Patriots should thank Dan Quinn. Atlanta had the ball on the New England's 22 yard line with less than 3 1/2 minutes left. Doing anything but 3 runs up the gut was simply idiotic. It was a chip shot for Bryant, and 3 points would have put the game out of reach. Dropping Ryan back to pass was simply stupid.
Yup, that was the game.
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I agree with Kevin!!!!!
This game was won for the Falcons.
How come I know to run the ball three times , kick the field goal and win the f ing game!!!
Disgusting coaching !!!!
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How come I know to run the ball three times , kick the field goal and win the f ing game!!!
Disgusting coaching !!!!
:duh: :duh: :duh:
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Shit.
Greatest comeback or biggest choke?
Anybody but Brady.
:banghead: :banghead:
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First Seattle has a SB won, only has to give the ball to the best short distance back in the game... and they throw the pick. Then the Falcons can't run and kick a sure FG to win. Someone :icon_twisted: has a contract with Belichick signed in blood at the stroke of midnight.
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Jesus H Khrist! How the hell do you throw away a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl?!?
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Jesus H Khrist! How the hell do you throw away a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl?!?
You play the Patriots! :thumb:
Falcons played great and deserved to win up until 4th quarter when they simply got tired, slowed down, couldn't pressure Brady anymore. That's all Pats needed was a little breathing room. Wow.
Brady passing yards superbowl record? I think they said he was 2nd place with 410yds BEFORE the last drive.
Loved Kraft's speech, see his pink tie? OMG what a riot! Pence and Baker in his box! Goodell's boos! I loved that as much as the win.
Really loved Lady Gaga!!
Great show all around. Unless you're a ATL fan. Sorry guys... But you can never call a Boston team lucky. ;)
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Not often one should consider a 2nd down field goal but boy would that have been the call.
Agree the calamity reminded me of the Seahawks pass call.
Great game to watch. Sad for AT. Great day for or Boston and the Pats.
Amazing spectacle.
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It's pretty typical for the Patriots to regroup at half time and change the entire course of the game on the back nine. Atlanta won the first half 28-3 but got shellacked 31-0 in the second half. Never count Brady out until the final whistle.
In this modern era of salary caps, selfish prima donna players, coaching carousels, clueless owners and meddlesome commissioners, you will never see the B&B feats repeated. And do you see any indication that this machine is slowing down? They completely shut down the highest flying offense since their own Randy Moss days in the second half after letting two of their best defensive players walk.
Is it true that thePatriots messed with ball inflation at half time? I mean, how else do you explain their success? Maybe they filmed the Falcon practices. Or maybe this game went about the same way as the stupid Deflategate game --- except that the Patriots came from way behind this time. Tom Brady has started 7 Super Bowls and has won 5 of them. The other two were close contests won by the N.Y. Giants because of very lucky Eli Manning pass completions. I submit that Brady is head and shoulders better than any other NFL QB, past or present. You have to give him his due no matter what kind of scandal the league or the media choose to gin up against him and his team. The Patriots are amazingly adaptable to playing conditions and imposed circumstances year in year out, despite perpetual lineup changes and the winds of popular opinion. I cannot imagine that small fluctuations in ball inflation could help or hurt them significantly. And, if the "problem" was so damn significant, why didn't the refs notice it in the first half? After all, they handle the ball between plays on every down.
I'm celebrating the most significant dynasty in American sports history. Join me.
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The NFL looks more and more like professional wrestling (staged), I mean how can ATL be so stupid? Two 2 point conversions in the 4th quarter (what's the odds)? And how can so much drama get packed into the last 18 minutes? I really didn't care who won.
But Lady Gaga was great (can't name even one of her songs). Tons of energy, great display of talent. Recall the last time the game was played in Houston was the Janet Jackson incident.
Commercials were a let down. My favorite was the Yellow Tail spot.
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Not often one should consider a 2nd down field goal but boy would that have been the call.
Agree the calamity reminded me of the Seahawks pass call.
Great game to watch. Sad for AT. Great day for or Boston and the Pats.
Amazing spectacle.
In my anger, I forgot about the stupid call on 1st down - a run around the end. That requires complicated blocking and they were flagged for holding. Then, Ryan dropped back to pass and got sacked. That is compounded stupidity. Once they had the ball at the 22, the only intelligent thing to do is pound it up the gut - eat some clock (or NE's timeouts) and just don't go backwards. Hell, even if that led to a fumble, I could live with that, but two successive idiotic calls is infuriating. The thing is that I could never have coached the team to reach that point, but from there I knew exactly what not to do.
The NFL looks more and more like professional wrestling (staged), I mean how can ATL be so stupid?
That would explain it - staged. It was like, once they were set up to kick a field goal to ice the game, Atlanta's coaching staff thought, "Now, what can we do to blow it?"
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Amazing game, I was about to change channels but drifted off to sleep for a minute and the Pats were back in it. We'll, at least they scored a touchdown. Certainly a last gasp before Atlanta scores again and seals the win. They couldn't get a single field goal. Okay, their defense was gassed, what about the offense? They were hardly on the field. Epic fail by both sides of the ball for Atlanta and, as much as I hate to say it, a deserving win for the Patriots.
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Congrats to the Pats, without question the best organization in football.
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Congrats to the Pats, without question the best organization in football.
That's the truth of it. The best.
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Belichick may be the best coach when it comes to making half time adjustments.
And if you're Atlanta and winning by 18 points, you probably don't worry about making too many adjustments.
Maybe Atlanta had it too easy in the other playoff games, no test where they really needed to drive and score.
Then there was the catch by Edelman made on the tipped ball in the last drive of the 4th. It will go down in history, I expect to see it in highlight films for a while to come.
Randy
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Once they [Atlanta] had the ball at the 22, the only intelligent thing to do is pound it up the gut - eat some clock (or NE's timeouts) and just don't go backwards.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,...
Nearly impossible to ever lay blame on one incident in any game, as so many plays leading up to could have changed the game, but, I almost fell off of my couch (and I was prone, nestled deep within the cushions at the time) when Atlanta called this set of plays. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Knee down for each play prior to field goal attempt would have been better plays vs. what they tried to do. IMO this is where Atlanta lost the game (and deservedly so).
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Brady passing yards superbowl record? I think they said he was 2nd place with 410yds BEFORE the last drive.
43/62 completions for 466 yards, both new SB records.
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Belichick may be the best coach when it comes to making half time adjustments.
may be ???? LOL, no he's the best period ! and I'm from Bflo so you know I'm not a fan.
simply put the Pats stats have put them on a level of greatness that has no equal (football)....... almost like trying to argue against the greatest pro team of all time .........NY Yankees