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Title: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 05:59 pm
Discussion thread for the new BDP-2 Digital Player

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68759)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68761)


BDP-2 FEATURES:
No moving parts
Six USB 2.0 inputs
Future USB 3.0 upgradable… providing two additional USB 3.0 inputs
One eSATA Drive input
Internal SATA drive (optional)*
2X - Gigabit Ethernet Inputs (for network connectivity)
NAS Connectivity Supported **
UPnP/DNLA Server ***

Improved power supply delivers over 5 amps (10 amps peak)
Custom Intel Atom Powered motherboard
Eight times more system memory (than the BDP-1)
Two RS-232 Serial Ports (device control)
Manages much larger libraries
Improved load times on drives
Improved load times on all wireless interfaces (MAX, MINI, MPOD, MPAD etc.)

*...There is room in the chassis to install an internal 2.5 inch SATA drive but
it must be fitted by authorized personel. The drive must be provided by the
customer and Bryston assumes no liability or support for the drive installed.

**...The NAS units we have used successfully are QNAP, Apple Time Capsule, WD MyBook (NAS), Native Microsoft and shares.

***... UPnP/DNLA Server (Universal Plug and Play) Supported
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2012, 06:11 pm
MEMO: To all Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player


October 2012


It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product.

The BDP-2 Digital Player was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata internal harddrive capability, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP-1 in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purist" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 external DAC the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is also possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software). 

We will also be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 USB capability. 

Hope this helps.


James Tanner
Bryston
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: kevin360 on 2 Oct 2012, 07:06 pm
Why is it that every time I buy something, the manufacturer very soon after releases a new version? Ah, this is a little different, but DSD support would be nice. Otherwise, the BDP-1 is everything I need (at 2/3s the cost :)). Had I known...

Believe me; I'm not complaining. The BDP-1 has served me exceptionally well. I haven't had the first issue (beyond a security issue in the delivered firmware), which is pretty amazing for a computer. I'm happy. I'm also happy to see that Byrston is still working to improve this product. When the BDP-3 is released, I'll still be delighted with my BDP-1. I just might slide it into the 2nd system and get the update. :wink:

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 2 Oct 2012, 07:19 pm
Otherwise, the BDP-1 is everything I need (at 2/3s the cost :) )

If the BDP-2 turns out to be, as James said, "1/3 more money than the BDP-1", that would make the BDP-1 75% or 3/4 the cost of the BDP-2.  Just a little closer in price for those trying to decide between them.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: kevin360 on 2 Oct 2012, 07:46 pm
Hey Steve, I didn't think about it (was too busy getting my head around the fact that I could have waited a few months and gotten more), but you're right - roughly (it's actually 73.3% :lol:). It's close enough that I would have chosen the BDP-2. If one worries about having the latest and greatest, he'll either have nothing or be constantly replacing what he recently purchased.

C'est la guerre.

I'll definitely be following this thread. As I mentioned, it's great to see that Bryston isn't resting when it comes to this product (well, product line now).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 3 Oct 2012, 02:22 pm
So,

If I have an internal SSD drive installed on the BDP-2 then
 I will be able to copy my music files from my PC directly to the Hard drive in the BDP-2.

Correct....
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 02:39 pm
So,

If I have an internal SSD drive installed on the BDP-2 then
 I will be able to copy my music files from my PC directly to the Hard drive in the BDP-2.

Correct....

Correct - over the network.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: brucek on 3 Oct 2012, 03:17 pm
Correct - over the network.

james

But functionally that's no different than the existing BDP-1 with an external drive, or a new BDP-2 with an external drive. The only difference is that the drive can now be physically mounted inside the BDP-2 chassis. I don't really see the advantage, but I do see a disadavantage, in that it makes it more difficult to replace the drive if it fails and is internally mounted. Yes/No, or am I missing something?

brucek
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2012, 03:26 pm
But functionally that's no different than the existing BDP-1 with an external drive, or a new BDP-2 with an external drive. The only difference is that the drive can now be physically mounted inside the BDP-2 chassis. I don't really see the advantage, but I do see a disadavantage, in that it makes it more difficult to replace the drive if it fails and is internally mounted. Yes/No, or am I missing something?

brucek

Hi Bruce

It is an example of meeting the market demand from our dealers and customers.  We were getting beat up about having to use an attached drive - where do I put it, does the cable make a difference etc. - so it appears people wanted a one box solution which the BDP-2 provides for.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 3 Oct 2012, 06:17 pm
Hi Bruce

It is an example of meeting the market demand from our dealers and customers.  We were getting beat up about having to use an attached drive - where do I put it, does the cable make a difference etc. - so it appears people wanted a one box solution which the BDP-2 provides for.

james

I can see both sides to be honest, but until you can get 2Tb SSDs I do not see the need for internal drives, I would perhaps change then.

I still think the idea of a Bryston Disc Enclosure is the answer to all the issues  :oops: :oops:

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 3 Oct 2012, 09:07 pm
I can see both sides to be honest, but until you can get 2Tb SSDs I do not see the need for internal drives, I would perhaps change then.

I still think the idea of a Bryston Disc Enclosure is the answer to all the issues  :oops: :oops:

Cheers

Hey Alpha, I admire your determination regarding the whole Bryston Drive Enclosure possibility, I fear though with the news of the BDP-2 that product really is dead in the water now.

Regarding the new BDP-2 and BDA-2 I think it is going to be extremely interesting to see what price PMC come up for the UK market. To be honest there really is no reason whatsoever that Bryston can't have more than one media player, look at Naim, they have a variety of streamers at different price points but generally the higher you go up in price the better performance there is in sound quality not just features. I think the problem really is in the naming, If Bryston had called it something like the BDP-1 MAX or something it doesn't look like the plain BDP-1 has been superseded but that there is now an alternative product for a different customer.

I know that Bryston are saying that both the BDP-1 and BDA-1 will stay in their current line up but I fear that the reality is that demand will soon dry up as everyone will want the new and improved '2' versions and the UK will end up with a Bryston Dac and Media player that will be priced significantly higher than the current models, I'm guessing these will come in at around a nice neat £2995, only guessing though. saying that I think the BDP-1 is actually worth £2995 as the Naim NDX cost that and I'd take the BDP-1 or BDP-2, for that matter, every time.

As for the DAC, I've been saying for some time now that the DAC is obviously a massive part of any system, whether built into a processor or separate, and I've been amazed that most companies only offer 1 version of their DAC, especially as separate DAC's have become so popular again lately, so I actually applaud Bryston in trying to offer 2 flavours of DAC, but again the only question that really matters when doing this, do the '2' versions with their price increases actually sound any better? I guess we'll have to wait and find out the answer to that one.

Personally I can't wait to get my hands on both products :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 4 Oct 2012, 07:01 am
Hi James, Chris,

It would be very nice if you could provide some more info in how to use the Upnp/DLNA service. Ive been playing with the feature in the beta software for sometime, but disabled it again, because i felt I couldn't get to grips with the possibilities on offer. Since you emphasize this option in the new BDP2 folder, I'd reiterate gladly.

One of my worries was that the updating-sequence of the BDP also updates all DLNA files on the network, which with all but very small libraries is a daunting task..... Please help us with the possibilties you have enabled, and how to go about.

Thanks,

Marius


***... UPnP/DNLA Server (Universal Plug and Play) Supported
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 4 Oct 2012, 07:29 am
Hey Alpha, I admire your determination regarding the whole Bryston Drive Enclosure possibility, I fear though with the news of the BDP-2 that product really is dead in the water now.


There is a fine line between trying to resuscitate an ailing donkey with a stick and flogging a dead one  :duh:

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
There is a fine line between trying to resuscitate an ailing donkey with a stick and flogging a dead one  :duh:

Cheers

Hi Folks

Yes we do not see a $1000 drive enclosure as something we will be pursuing.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
Also I have seen posts on other forums that seem to indicate that we arbitrarily priced the BDP-2 Digital Player way above the normal manufactureing increased costs in order to provide a big enough gap in price to allow the BDP-1 to stay in the line ($2195 vs $2995) - nothing could be further from the truth.

Bryston is not that kind of company - we do not play marketiing games to manipulate the market place or our prices in the marketplace.  We obviously have to pass on increased costs to us but it is always done at a multiple of the base costs that allows us to survive. 

If this was not the case why is the new BDA-2 DAC only $200 more than the older BDA-1 DAC???

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 4 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
Also I have seen posts on other forums that seem to indicate that we arbitrarily priced the BDP-2 Digital Player way above the normal manufactureing increased costs in order to provide a big enough gap in price to allow the BDP-1 to stay in the line ($2195 vs $2995) - nothing could be further from the truth.

Bryston is not that kind of company - we do not play marketiing games to manipulate the market place or our prices in the marketplace.  We obviously have to pass on increased costs to us but it is always done at a multiple of the base costs that allows us to survive. 

If this was not the case why is the new BDA-2 DAC only $200 more than the older BDA-1 DAC???

james

James, if you are talking about the AVF threads, the comments I do not think are aimed at you and Bryston, with regards to prices, more what PMC are going to do yet again to your prices/product once they get across here.

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Anonamemouse on 4 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
James, if you are talking about the AVF threads, the comments I do not think are aimed at you and Bryston, with regards to prices, more what PMC are going to do yet again to your prices/product once they get across here.

Cheers

Ditto for the Netherlands...
E.g. ONE new 7B SST2 is € 5790,- (us$ 7514.-) here, while in the US the same amp is $9190 a PAIR.
So adding $800 to the price tag will here mean a 1500 euro price difference... :(
Too much for me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Oct 2012, 03:26 pm
Hi James, Chris,

It would be very nice if you could provide some more info in how to use the Upnp/DLNA service. Ive been playing with the feature in the beta software for sometime, but disabled it again, because i felt I couldn't get to grips with the possibilities on offer. Since you emphasize this option in the new BDP2 folder, I'd reiterate gladly.

One of my worries was that the updating-sequence of the BDP also updates all DLNA files on the network, which with all but very small libraries is a daunting task..... Please help us with the possibilties you have enabled, and how to go about.

Thanks,

Marius

Hi Marius,

The BDP-2 will serve any media that is connected to it (via NAS or USB), to UPnP/DLNA enabled devices.  It was relatively easy add on and the new system has the processing power to handle it.  So far we have tested high resolution audio files, pictures and 1080p video (H264).

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 4 Oct 2012, 03:52 pm
Hi Chris,

Thanks,
still: when I enable the service, in the drives pane in Max2 I see Upnp under my other drives, when i click on that, nothing appears. Still, I have several Upnp/DLNA servers running, on my Macbook, on my Samsung TV, etc etc. My tv sees my Macbook and the various servers (Vuze,PS3 media server, Plex)  , even the Marantz Na7004 does, but not in Max2. Vuze does see the Bdp1:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68853)



 How to proceed. Do you have some userguide?

Marius

Hi Marius,

The BDP-2 will serve any media that is connected to it (via NAS or USB), to UPnP/DLNA enabled devices.  It was relatively easy add on and the new system has the processing power to handle it.  So far we have tested high resolution audio files, pictures and 1080p video (H264).

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 4 Oct 2012, 08:23 pm
When will these be available for order?  And what sort of production time is involved?

Thanks.  8)

ETA:.... just saw this.... http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110081.msg1137849#msg1137849

So it can be "pre-ordered" now?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2012, 01:50 am
When will these be available for order?  And what sort of production time is involved?

Thanks.  8)

ETA:.... just saw this.... http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110081.msg1137849#msg1137849

So it can be "pre-ordered" now?

Hi

Hoping to get some out at the beginning of November.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 5 Oct 2012, 02:19 am
Thanks. I'll have to pop into my local shop and order. Can't wait.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Oct 2012, 03:19 am
Hi Chris,

Thanks,
still: when I enable the service, in the drives pane in Max2 I see Upnp under my other drives, when i click on that, nothing appears. Still, I have several Upnp/DLNA servers running, on my Macbook, on my Samsung TV, etc etc. My tv sees my Macbook and the various servers (Vuze,PS3 media server, Plex)  , even the Marantz Na7004 does, but not in Max2. Vuze does see the Bdp1:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68853)



 How to proceed. Do you have some userguide?

Marius

Hi Marius,

Does the bdp indicate it is updating after you turn the feature on?

BDP-1: acts as a client, it will see files stored on dlna/upnp servers, not controllable from upnp controllers.

BDP-2: same as BDP-1, plus will host files for upnp/dlna enabled clients.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2012, 06:14 am
Yes it does. And i see a debug folder under upnp. That is it.

Marius

Ps will the bdp2 support AirPlay? Would be a Mastermove..

Hi Marius,

Does the bdp indicate it is updating after you turn the feature on?

BDP-1: acts as a client, it will see files stored on dlna/upnp servers, not controllable from upnp controllers.

BDP-2: same as BDP-1, plus will host files for upnp/dlna enabled clients.

Chris
Title: Sound Quality
Post by: RonCH on 5 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm
Hello, 

Is there any discernable difference in sound quality when the music is on a NAS compared to a USB drive?

Regards

Ron



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Oct 2012, 05:22 pm
Yes it does. And i see a debug folder under upnp. That is it.

Marius

Ps will the bdp2 support AirPlay? Would be a Mastermove..

lack of airplay is due to issues with the existing firmware, our next major release should "pave" the way for airplay in both the BDP-1 and BDP-2

but we will see

Chris
Title: Re: Sound Quality
Post by: unincognito on 5 Oct 2012, 05:23 pm
Hello, 

Is there any discernable difference in sound quality when the music is on a NAS compared to a USB drive?

Regards

Ron

both should sound identical

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2012, 05:45 pm
 :thumb: :thumb:

That is a major start  for my weekend! If you need some extra testing , I'd be glad to!

Marius

Ps we're talking Apple AirPlay aren't we....?

lack of airplay is due to issues with the existing firmware, our next major release should "pave" the way for airplay in both the BDP-1 and BDP-2

but we will see

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 5 Oct 2012, 05:51 pm
Hi Chris, James,

Have you ever considered designing a separate Bryston box with all the extra internet, streaming, network and drives etc oriented features, next to the bare BDP? I ask because these are the features that tend to develop rather quickly in the industry, and the BDP could be a universal machine for a much longer period. That way your customers that don't want the internet stuff wouldnt have to update as often. Make it a more sensible and sturdy investment too...

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Oct 2012, 09:25 pm
Hi Chris, James,

Have you ever considered designing a separate Bryston box with all the extra internet, streaming, network and drives etc oriented features, next to the bare BDP? I ask because these are the features that tend to develop rather quickly in the industry, and the BDP could be a universal machine for a much longer period. That way your customers that don't want the internet stuff wouldnt have to update as often. Make it a more sensible and sturdy investment too...

Marius

Hi Marius,

Separate in what sense? The software or the hardware?

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 6 Oct 2012, 09:29 pm
Hardware.
Hi Marius,

Separate in what sense? The software or the hardware?

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Oct 2012, 05:17 pm
Hi Marius,

That's kind of the approach we are taking on this.  The BDP-1 will remain to be the "purist" player we had intended it to be.  While we have the BDP-2 that will allow us to do more in this product category.  What ever software is written for the firmware, if we feel the BDP-1 can handle it we will make it available to the BDP-1.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 8 Oct 2012, 06:41 pm
Hi Chris,
No that's not exactly what I meant. I meant the BDP as a purist player and a separate box (not a player) that handles all the internet traffic, disc-traffic etc etc.

You've made the bdp1 'purist' for very goods reasons, and now introduce all things you avoided with its introduction because of their noise-causing issues.

Separating the 2 could keep the purist bdp1, and still take care of more features wanting customers..

Marius



Hi Marius,

That's kind of the approach we are taking on this.  The BDP-1 will remain to be the "purist" player we had intended it to be.  While we have the BDP-2 that will allow us to do more in this product category.  What ever software is written for the firmware, if we feel the BDP-1 can handle it we will make it available to the BDP-1.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 9 Oct 2012, 08:45 am
Well in a moment of weakness I've just ordered a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to put on demo, I'll keep the BDP-1 and BDA-1 and put them in the headphone room partnered with the BHA-1, so it will certainly be interesting to put both versions side by side to see if we can hear any differences, I'll probably put a small SSD in the BDP-2 with some reference recordings on to see how that sounds compared to locally attached and streaming from the Qnap, interesting times indeed.

Is it likely James that we'll see any in UK before the end of the year?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bobNL on 9 Oct 2012, 08:46 am
"The BDP-1 will remain to be the "purist" player we had intended it to be".

Certainly makes me feel better, I am now no longer someone who ordered the BDP-1 just before in became redundant,

I am a purist!  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
Well in a moment of weakness I've just ordered a BDP-2 and BDA-2 to put on demo, I'll keep the BDP-1 and BDA-1 and put them in the headphone room partnered with the BHA-1, so it will certainly be interesting to put both versions side by side to see if we can hear any differences, I'll probably put a small SSD in the BDP-2 with some reference recordings on to see how that sounds compared to locally attached and streaming from the Qnap, interesting times indeed.

Is it likely James that we'll see any in UK before the end of the year?

Hi Vipers,

We should be starting production in November so it is a good possibility.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 9 Oct 2012, 11:47 am
Hi Marius,

That's kind of the approach we are taking on this.  The BDP-1 will remain to be the "purist" player we had intended it to be.  While we have the BDP-2 that will allow us to do more in this product category.  What ever software is written for the firmware, if we feel the BDP-1 can handle it we will make it available to the BDP-1.

Chris

Hi Chris,

Does this potentially mean there could be killer apps such as full internet radio, ipad control etc that might only run under the BDP2?

If so guess what is now on my Xmas list  :roll:

Cheers


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Oct 2012, 12:37 am
Hi Chris,

Does this potentially mean there could be killer apps such as full internet radio, ipad control etc that might only run under the BDP2?

If so guess what is now on my Xmas list  :roll:

Cheers

Hi,

Something like Internet radio streaming is something the bdp-1 can handle with ease and only effects the sound quality when in use.  Making streaming a feature that could integrated into the BDP-1 without effecting the quality of the audio playback.  Streaming audio over the Internet isn't nearly as clean as playing back a 44k flac file, at the same time wouldn't effect the playback either.

My point is that the BDP-1 will only contain features that do not effect it's ability to playback hires material.  If you our end users say "Chris I just want my bdp-1 to play just hires files via mpd as it always has and not even have the option for anything else". Then by all means I can make that happen, but if features can be added without sacrificing the BDP-1's ability to render hires material then why not include the functionality?


Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 10 Oct 2012, 05:15 am
Hi,

Something like Internet radio streaming is something the bdp-1 can handle with ease and only effects the sound quality when in use.  Making streaming a feature that could integrated into the BDP-1 without effecting the quality of the audio playback.  Streaming audio over the Internet isn't nearly as clean as playing back a 44k flac file, at the same time wouldn't effect the playback either.

My point is that the BDP-1 will only contain features that do not effect it's ability to playback hires material.  If you our end users say "Chris I just want my bdp-1 to play just hires files via mpd as it always has and not even have the option for anything else". Then by all means I can make that happen, but if features can be added without sacrificing the BDP-1's ability to render hires material then why not include the functionality?


Chris

Thank you for the reply Chris. Certainly clear to me now. It is all starting to sound quite exciting, you are lucky to be in the position to flex your imagination. I think your problem will be more along the lines of having at least two or more opinions and requirements for each customer  :duh:

For me I love the fact that I just plug in a HDD and the BDP1 just plays wonderful music, simple (purist) approach is good. Just adding BBC radio would be the icing on the cake. BUT I find the Future possibilities for the BDP2 fascinating.

Are you guys thinking about publishing some sort of roadmap for the BDPx?

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Oct 2012, 03:53 am
Hi,

Ultimately my goal is to try and keep everyone as happy as possible, the best way is to continue listening to the feedback from our customers and to try attempt to keep as true as possible to our original intentions of building a digital player, adding features without compromising that original goal.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Anonamemouse on 11 Oct 2012, 11:51 am
Hi,

Ultimately my goal is to try and keep everyone as happy as possible, the best way is to continue listening to the feedback from our customers and to try attempt to keep as true as possible to our original intentions of building a digital player, adding features without compromising that original goal.

Chris

Please add an optical out!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jhm731 on 11 Oct 2012, 06:15 pm
Does the BDP-2 Digital Player have a USB output?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2012, 06:18 pm
Does the BDP-2 Digital Player have a USB output?

Hi

No ... 6 USB ins and 1 eSata in.  AES and BNC Digital out.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jhm731 on 12 Oct 2012, 06:36 am
Hi

No ... 6 USB ins and 1 eSata in.  AES and BNC Digital out.

James

That's too bad.

Lots of us have DACs with very good Asynchronous USB inputs and don't need a devise with USB to AES/BNC conversion. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Asimov on 12 Oct 2012, 07:14 am
Does the BDP-2 play music from memory instead of hard disc?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2012, 10:55 am
Does the BDP-2 play music from memory instead of hard disc?

Hi,

The BDP-2 plays exactly like the BDP-1 - it uses a buffer and you are playing from the buffer.  The BDP-2 though has 3 times more memory.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
Hi - JHM


There is a window on the rear of the BDP-2 which provides for future options as we go - maybe we will have a look at USB out.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69224)




james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 12 Oct 2012, 12:34 pm
Hi James,

Why do you have a double Rs232 port? Is there even need for 1? Would gladly trade those in for double balanced/unbalanced outs...

Greets,
Marius
Hi - JHM


There is a window on the rear of the BDP-2 which provides for future options as we go - maybe we will have a look at USB out.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=69224)




james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: brucek on 12 Oct 2012, 01:56 pm
Quote
Why do you have a double Rs232 port? Is there even need for 1? Would gladly trade those in for double balanced/unbalanced outs...

I thought the BDP was a digital out only player (SPDIF (BNC), AES/EBU (XLR)).

Are you asking for a DAC and an analog section to be added?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2012, 04:24 pm
I thought the BDP was a digital out only player (SPDIF (BNC), AES/EBU (XLR)).

Are you asking for a DAC and an analog section to be added?

Correct - the BDP-2 is DIGITAL out only. Adding an analog stage would make it a digital preamplifier at that point.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 12 Oct 2012, 05:36 pm
Hi,

I stand  corrected. Of course I meant those double outputs to be wished for on the bda2... Sorry for that. Though James s digital pre idea is very tempting too. Any developments in that front James? Might be an interesting way to fill the 'future' window.

Still, why the double rs232 ports?

Marius


Correct - the BDP-2 is DIGITAL out only. Adding an analog stage would make it a digital preamplifier at that point.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2012, 08:38 pm
Hi,

I stand  corrected. Of course I meant those double outputs to be wished for on the bda2... Sorry for that. Though James s digital pre idea is very tempting too. Any developments in that front James? Might be an interesting way to fill the 'future' window.

Still, why the double rs232 ports?

Marius

Yes I think  a digital preamp is worth looking at.  :thumb:

I will ask Chris on the rs232 - 1 assume because they were available on the circuit board.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 12 Oct 2012, 08:42 pm
it most certainly is  :thumb: :thumb:
building the expectations here you are James.

what do you have in store for us?

Marius
Yes I think  a digital preamp is worth looking at.  :thumb:

I will ask Chris on the rs232 - 1 assume because they were available on the circuit board.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2012, 08:49 pm
it most certainly is  :thumb: :thumb:
building the expectations here you are James.

what do you have in store for us?

Marius

Ya! - let's start a Digital Preamp thread.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Oct 2012, 02:16 am
Hi,

The BDP-2 plays exactly like the BDP-1 - it uses a buffer and you are playing from the buffer.  The BDP-2 though has 3 times more memory.

james

More correctly the bdp 2 has eight times the memory of the 1 and the buffer is still the same size.  The additional memory will allow the bdp to do more like play back audio cd's with jitter rates as low as digital files.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Oct 2012, 02:19 am
Hi James,

Why do you have a double Rs232 port? Is there even need for 1? Would gladly trade those in for double balanced/unbalanced outs...

Greets,
Marius

Hi Marius,

We are thinking about future software capability, like being able to control your dac and preamp via serial and/or ir from the bdp.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Emovac on 13 Oct 2012, 07:30 am
I absolutely love my BDP-1.  Additional internet radio capability would be a real plus for me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 13 Oct 2012, 10:45 am
Hi Vipers,

We should be starting production in November so it is a good possibility.

james

This will be great news James as I really want to move the BHA-1 and BDP-1 into my headphone room asap so that I can have a 100% Bryston setup for headphone listening pleasure :thumb:

I'll keep everything crossed in anticipation of a pre xmas delivery!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 17 Oct 2012, 05:40 pm
This might be a silly question but all the picture I have seen of the BDP-& are in black but this one is in silver. Did the color change or can you choose black or silver at time of purchase.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: JfTM on 18 Oct 2012, 01:16 am
You get to choose.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2012, 02:44 am
If this was the land of Chris only 17" black would exist

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: myview on 18 Oct 2012, 01:08 pm
Hi Chris,

If the BDP-2 has 8 times the memory of BDP-1, does it mean:

1) When I attach a new say 1-TB hard-disk (va USB) with a lot of music on there, the "updating" process will be much faster than the BDP-1?

2) I downloaded some files (in FLAC and APE) and the BDP-1 could not play them properly...the music is truncated (on Mpad, the time counter jumps from 0 sec, to something like 7 sec, then 20 sec.).  I read somewhere (cannot remember where) that this could be because the music was ripped (although in FLAC or APE) at a compression rate higher than usual.  Do you think the BDP-2 will be able to play them?

Thank you

myview

More correctly the bdp 2 has eight times the memory of the 1 and the buffer is still the same size.  The additional memory will allow the bdp to do more like play back audio cd's with jitter rates as low as digital files.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 18 Oct 2012, 02:52 pm
Hello myview,

The more memory should allow for larger libraries and allow us to do things like buffer entire audio cd's (ie our cd demo at tave).

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 19 Oct 2012, 01:06 pm
HI Chris,

'should' as in 'we haven't tested that yet'?
and , could you be more precise about what a 'larger library' is? bigger than 500 gig? To be honest, I haven't found the bdp1 to have issues with my rather extensive library, more than several TB's, i am kind of curious what you mean exactly when you say the BDP1 does not allow for larger libraries...

Marius

 


The more memory should allow for larger libraries and allow us to do things like buffer entire audio cd's (ie our cd demo at tave).

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Oct 2012, 03:35 pm
More importantly simply can't test, the largest library we have access to is 80k songs and the only thing we know for sure is that the BDP-2 is able to access it more quickly.  Beyond that we are simply estimating based on memory usage, you have commented in the past about how the BDP-1 is almost always using 98%+ of its memory.  Between the small amount of memory and its ultra low power, low performance cpu an AMD Geode (it is still a very impressive CPU) it really begins to slow down over 30k of songs.  Where as the BDP-2 with its 2GB of ram and intel Atom CPU handles the 80k library with ease and without much impact at all.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 19 Oct 2012, 04:40 pm
Hi Chris,

I see, with 80k, you mean 80000 songs don't you? Would you think that number of songs is as important as size of songs total. I ask, because next to listening to 'songs' I have an extensive collection of classical music, where the number of songs might be less space consuming than the size of them, especially the hires versions...

Indeed mem usage is mostly up to 98%, even when only playing songs. Issues (distortion/hickups) I had/still have, appear only when playing, and updating or having the bdp1 do other administrative tasks at the same time. Would you expect that to be history in with the BDP2? I'd be glad to test it for you to be sure of course.

When accommodating the NAS's on top of that, this 80k size will be easily met. Since for example movies are on those NAS's, and the BDP plays those files without problem, this treshold of 80k will most surely be surpassed very easily.  Great to have a BDP2 that won't have issues with that. Would be even nicer to test that before buying....


Marius

More importantly simply can't test, the largest library we have access to is 80k songs and the only thing we know for sure is that the BDP-2 is able to access it more quickly.  Beyond that we are simply estimating based on memory usage, you have commented in the past about how the BDP-1 is almost always using 98%+ of its memory.  Between the small amount of memory and its ultra low power, low performance cpu an AMD Geode (it is still a very impressive CPU) it really begins to slow down over 30k of songs.  Where as the BDP-2 with its 2GB of ram and intel Atom CPU handles the 80k library with ease and without much impact at all.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 20 Oct 2012, 05:45 pm
Hi Everybody!. Brand new to this wonderful forum. I've just placed an order for a BDP-1 and BDA-2. I plan to use these in the "Purist" way, with an external (3 TB) Hard Drive, without network linking to my PC. I want to avoid any potential noise issues with ethernet. Given this, is there any other substantial reason to switch my order to a BDP-2? By that I mean improvements in functionality that would make day-to-day operations more effecient. Such as significant increase in speed of loading libraries each time I power up? Better upgrade paths? And is there some way to shut down the streaming function/circuitry if not in use?

Apologize for the simplistic questions. Audiofile first, technofile very distant second.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bobNL on 20 Oct 2012, 06:38 pm
Hi Tympani,

Have considered changing my initial order for a BDP-1 to a BDP-2, but, like you, liked the original idea of attaching HDD without the need for setting up things and streaming stuff all over the home network. So far I am completely happy with my choice. I tend to play albums, or complete opera's, so I do not switch a lot. Use the 4 button navigation for that, but will see if I will upgrade to a dedicated router. Can attach 2 x 1 Tb drives which hold more music than I possibly can listen to in many years. Have no need for more storage.

Do not even use the radio feature, as the squeezbox does this quite well (connected to the BDA) and adds the diversity of Spotify.
The sound of the BDP is glorious, so I could not be happier.

Just one question: why did you go for the BDA-2?

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 20 Oct 2012, 10:40 pm
Hi Bob,

I went for the BDA-2 for the possibility of DSD down the road. For only $200 more it seemed worth-while.
Curious how quickly you load up from a standing start with your HDD/libraries?
Any thoughts on my concerns re: ethernet-borne noise?

Dan
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 02:42 pm
Hi Chris, James,

You mentioned future usb3 support, but why don't you offer that from the first bdp2 onward? Seems to be the standard for over some time now, in fact you'd have a hard time to find USB hdd s without it, so why not take advantage of that from the beginning?

Thanks,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 03:16 pm
Hi Chris, James,

You mentioned future usb3 support, but why don't you offer that from the first bdp2 onward? Seems to be the standard for over some time now, in fact you'd have a hard time to find USB hdd s without it, so why not take advantage of that from the beginning?

Thanks,
Marius

HI Marius

The BDP-1 uses USB to bring data from an external drive to the internal memory for reformatting and passing on to the DAC. USB 1 Full Speed does not quite have the throughput (12 MBps) to handle high resolution files. USB 2 High Speed has a throughput of 480 Mbps which is more than ten times what is necessary to handle high resolution files. USB3 can pass even more data (3 Gbps) but brings requirements and system overhead that will not improve the sound and will increase the power requirements. USB3 extends from a PCI express interface which is not present or supported with the processor we use. Changing over to a system board that would support USB3 brings heat problems, requirements for a much larger power supply and a number of other aspects which will change the product completely but not improve the audio chain and can potentially degrade it.

Drives have SATA interfaces. External drives use internal hardware to convert them to USB, Firewire or eSATA. While it may make a difference loading data onto the drive, for playback the throughput requirements are much lower so the interface won’t change the playback properties.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 03:22 pm
Hi James,

Understanding USB3 is not necessary for playback, it might come in very handy for filehandling/copying, which is the sole reason I ask. Files tend to get bigger and bigger, and the larger the throughput, the more comfortable it is. Of course up to the limit of degrading playback quality.

reading your remarks about USB3, do I deduce correctly you won't offer it in the future?

Marius

HI Marius

The BDP-1 uses USB to bring data from an external drive to the internal memory for reformatting and passing on to the DAC. USB 1 Full Speed does not quite have the throughput (12 MBps) to handle high resolution files. USB 2 High Speed has a throughput of 480 Mbps which is more than ten times what is necessary to handle high resolution files. USB3 can pass even more data (3 Gbps) but brings requirements and system overhead that will not improve the sound and will increase the power requirements. USB3 extends from a PCI express interface which is not present or supported with the processor we use. Changing over to a system board that would support USB3 brings heat problems, requirements for a much larger power supply and a number of other aspects which will change the product completely but not improve the audio chain and can potentially degrade it.

Drives have SATA interfaces. External drives use internal hardware to convert them to USB, Firewire or eSATA. While it may make a difference loading data onto the drive, for playback the throughput requirements are much lower so the interface won’t change the playback properties.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 04:25 pm
Hi James,

Understanding USB3 is not necessary for playback, it might come in very handy for filehandling/copying, which is the sole reason I ask. Files tend to get bigger and bigger, and the larger the throughput, the more comfortable it is. Of course up to the limit of degrading playback quality.

reading your remarks about USB3, do I deduce correctly you won't offer it in the future?

Marius

Hi Marius

We have left room on the rear panel of the BDP-2 to allow for future additions and USB 3 is one we could offer. I am also thinking USB out might be worth considering?

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 06:07 pm
great, but would that option resolve all mentioned usb3 issues?
in an all bryston setup, what would be the use for a USB out?

Marius

Hi Marius

We have left room on the rear panel of the BDP-2 to allow for future additions and USB 3 is one we could offer. I am also thinking USB out might be worth considering?

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 06:14 pm
great, but would that option resolve all mentioned usb3 issues?
in an all bryston setup, what would be the use for a USB out?

Marius

Well the USB 3 is only for faster load times but other than that no advantage. The USB out would only be to allow asynchronous USB out into our new BDA-2 DAC. Some feel that USB asynchronous has some advantages - I still prefer the AES out myself.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 21 Oct 2012, 06:20 pm
The USB out would only be to allow asynchronous USB out into our new BDA-2 DAC.

And to allow USB out to non-Bryston USB DACs.  In a (Bryston) perfect world, all components would be Bryston (!), but there are a number of good USB-only DACs out there that people may already own.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 06:25 pm
Well the USB 3 is only for faster load times but other than that no advantage. The USB out would only be to allow asynchronous USB out into our new BDA-2 DAC. Some feel that USB asynchronous has some advantages - I still prefer the AES out myself.

James

If you'd be able to tackle all mentioned usb3 issues,

("USB3 can pass even more data (3 Gbps) but brings requirements and system overhead that will not improve the sound and will increase the power requirements. USB3 extends from a PCI express interface which is not present or supported with the processor we use. Changing over to a system board that would support USB3 brings heat problems, requirements for a much larger power supply and a number of other aspects which will change the product completely but not improve the audio chain and can potentially degrade it." )

I'd opt for both then !
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 07:48 pm
Hi James,

When using this USB out on the Bdp2, would the only USB in on the Bda be used for that? If so, we would need a second USB in on the Bda to accomodate other USB sources.... That possible?
A front USB input, like on the BDP would be even better: plug the MAcbook in, play, and no hassle fiddling at the back of the BDA. Or could the BDP2 be used for that... now that would be something wonderful. Plug the Macbook/laptop in the bdp2 front usb port, and let it be seen by the BDA2 as a source, operated on the Macbook/laptop.

A bit like the 'on the fly' i asked Chris about earlier. No updating, no waiting, just plug and play.

Cheers!
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 09:01 pm
Hi James,

When using this USB out on the Bdp2, would the only USB in on the Bda be used for that? If so, we would need a second USB in on the Bda to accomodate other USB sources.... That possible?
A front USB input, like on the BDP would be even better: plug the MAcbook in, play, and no hassle fiddling at the back of the BDA. Or could the BDP2 be used for that... now that would be something wonderful. Plug the Macbook/laptop in the bdp2 front usb port, and let it be seen by the BDA2 as a source, operated on the Macbook/laptop.

A bit like the 'on the fly' i asked Chris about earlier. No updating, no waiting, just plug and play.

Cheers!
Marius


No sorry - there is only room for 1 USB input on the BDA-2.

I would recommend AES from the BDP and your laptop to the BDA-2 using USB.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Oct 2012, 09:17 pm
ok thanks, the way we're playing right now, no changes there then.

please consider the other option, 'on the fly', would be a real useful extra, with all sorts of sources, being your new disc-spinner, usb hdd's or laptop.

Greets,
Marius


No sorry - there is only room for 1 USB input on the BDA-2.

I would recommend AES from the BDP and your laptop to the BDA-2 using USB.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 09:42 pm
If you are using Amarra etc. and iTunes is there a way to place Folders in the left hand margin rather than just Plylists?

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 21 Oct 2012, 10:03 pm
You can make folders (File > New Playlist Folder) but they can only contain playlists, not song files directly.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2012, 10:08 pm
You can make folders (File > New Playlist Folder) but they can only contain playlists, not song files directly.
 
Steve

Thanks Steve

Figured it out - I am so use to the way Mpad and Mpod work.  :scratch:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 23 Oct 2012, 02:22 am
Hi Chris, James,

You mentioned future usb3 support, but why don't you offer that from the first bdp2 onward? Seems to be the standard for over some time now, in fact you'd have a hard time to find USB hdd s without it, so why not take advantage of that from the beginning?

Thanks,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Once the software is ready it will be a relatively simple upgrade for anybody who has already purchased one.  Also it'll add more then 300 dollars Canadian to the final price for an option that we feel only a handful of people will want.  Once manic moose, our next major release is done; it will pave the wave for USB 3.0.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: JBLMVBC on 31 Oct 2012, 03:17 pm
Products evolve and get better all the time. As long as the combination I have works for me.
I still would imagine that an upgrade to both digital player and DAC will be available down the road to initial purchasers, especially when we are talking about chips and circuits here.
That's professionalism imo.

MEMO: To all Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player


October 2012


It is always difficult when you introduce a new product as someone has just purchased the current version of said product.

The BDP-2 Digital Player was designed for those customers that felt the BDP -1 did not have enough features - more drives , larger library capability, esata internal harddrive capability, increase speed with load times etc,  Lack of these features was what prevented some customers from considering the BDP-1 in their systems.

Remember the BDP-2 is not replacing the BDP-1 it is an additional product choice.

The "purist" can stay with the BDP-1 and those requiring additional features can go to the BDP-2. Also the BDP-2 is 1/3 more money than the BDP-1.

As for the BDA-2 external DAC the main reason for the BDA-2 was to add Asynchronous USB 192/24 capability.  DSD capability is also possible with the AKM chips so we are looking at that going forward (software). 

We will also be offering a USB Interface as well for those folks that currently own a BDA-1 which can be used with the BDA-1 and allow for 192/24 USB capability. 

Hope this helps.


James Tanner
Bryston

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 1 Nov 2012, 10:07 pm

NAS Connectivity Supported **


**...The NAS units we have used successfully are QNAP, Apple Time Capsule, WD MyBook (NAS), Native Microsoft and shares.



Sorry for my ignorance but does that mean the BDP1 does NOT support NAS attached drives (ex; WDMybook NAS)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Nov 2012, 10:10 pm
Sorry for my ignorance but does that mean the BDP1 does NOT support NAS attached drives (ex; WDMybook NAS)?

Hi

The BDP-1 will support NAS with the latest software but we have not tried the WDmybookNAS at this point.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 2 Nov 2012, 09:24 am
I was almost ready to order bdp1 when i found this anouncement
I want to ask about two features
- gapless playback - will be possible?
- digital volume controll will be also nice addition, do you consider can be added later with sw upgrade?
Thank yoy
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Nov 2012, 09:45 am
I was almost ready to order bdp1 when i found this anouncement
I want to ask about two features
- gapless playback - will be possible?
- digital volume controll will be also nice addition, do you consider can be added later with sw upgrade?
Thank yoy

Hi

Yes Gapless is not an issue but we are not going to provide digital control due to loss of resolution. 

james

PS - if you use the USB input on the BDP and the MAC remote in iTunes you can adjust volume on the remote itouch or iPad.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: darrrio on 3 Nov 2012, 08:23 pm
Hi,
I've been recently looking at BDP-1, but Bryston main site clearly says it is not UPnP capable. I'm glad to hear something is changing in the latest firmware release. Is there anybody that can tell me more about this feature? Is there an app remote control going to be released? What about gapless playback? DSD streaming over network native or DoP?

Thank you very much indeed!

Dario
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2012, 03:50 pm
Hi Chris,

Thanks,
still: when I enable the service, in the drives pane in Max2 I see Upnp under my other drives, when i click on that, nothing appears. Still, I have several Upnp/DLNA servers running, on my Macbook, on my Samsung TV, etc etc. My tv sees my Macbook and the various servers (Vuze,PS3 media server, Plex)  , even the Marantz Na7004 does, but not in Max2. Vuze does see the Bdp1:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=68853)

 How to proceed. Do you have some userguide?

Marius

Hi Marius,

The feature is still in beta, i few weeks ago i started playing around with another piece of software that should make the bdp-1 behave much more like a traditional UPnP client.  Doesn't use mpd for playback but rather a proper upnp client for controling playback.  I just havn't had a chance to play with it any further as i have been concentrating my efforts on other projects like the web based firmware update and bRadio.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 5 Nov 2012, 07:31 pm
thanks Chris,

will be glad to test in the beta's.
any news on the Apple Airplay support in the nearing releases?

Marius
maybe we ought to take this to the beta software topic, sorry for this slightly off-topic answer....

Hi Marius,

The feature is still in beta, i few weeks ago i started playing around with another piece of software that should make the bdp-1 behave much more like a traditional UPnP client.  Doesn't use mpd for playback but rather a proper upnp client for controling playback.  I just havn't had a chance to play with it any further as i have been concentrating my efforts on other projects like the web based firmware update and bRadio.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 7 Nov 2012, 07:01 am
Will be possible to use scrobbling to Last.FM when drive is attached via USB or when playing via upnp? This is a nice feature that helped me to discover many good artists...
Thank you
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 9 Nov 2012, 03:37 pm

James,

If I ordered a BDP-2 today from my dealer,  when could I expect to receive it. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2012, 03:42 pm
James,

If I ordered a BDP-2 today from my dealer,  when could I expect to receive it.

Hi adol290

The first 25 are pre-sold so I would say any new order about 3 weeks.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 12 Nov 2012, 09:31 pm
I thought I would repost these questions from another thread here:


"How's the indexing and searching of drives with the BDP-1 over USB 2? Presumably this is an area which would benefit greatly from an eSata connection (USB 2 would be fine for the playback of the file itself).

Also, is the connection for an internal drive a simple plug and play eSata cable? Would something like a 512GB SSD require any housing carriage etc.  (Velcro can work wonders if the cable has some maneuverability.) 

I don't see myself as needing terabytes of media files connected anytime soon (especially while the BDP is still, unfortunately, only 2 channel).

I would want my collection ripped to ALAC so that I can simply duplicate the files in iTunes for playback at my computer and automatically port in lower-res format to all my mobile devices. (The ripping software would add the file to the hard drive for re-connection to the BDP and, at the same, add a copy to my computer's iTunes directory.)

Browsing the BDP connected drives would need to be fast and reliable."
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 12 Nov 2012, 09:35 pm

Regarding the new BDP-2 and BDA-2 I think it is going to be extremely interesting to see what price PMC come up for the UK market.

Saying that I think the BDP-1 is actually worth £2995 as the Naim NDX cost that and I'd take the BDP-1 or BDP-2, for that matter, every time.


Err I just spat my coffee all over my desk and keyboard!

How about we take the US$ pricing and apply the current exchange rate.  Adjust for the lovely 20% "tax every pound you spend" tax if need be but let's stop middle men gouging UK customers. That gets MSRP and customers would expect a hefty discount from that for an actual purchase.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Nov 2012, 04:26 am
I thought I would repost these questions from another thread here:


"How's the indexing and searching of drives with the BDP-1 over USB 2? Presumably this is an area which would benefit greatly from an eSata connection (USB 2 would be fine for the playback of the file itself).

Also, is the connection for an internal drive a simple plug and play eSata cable? Would something like a 512GB SSD require any housing carriage etc.  (Velcro can work wonders if the cable has some maneuverability.) 

I don't see myself as needing terabytes of media files connected anytime soon (especially while the BDP is still, unfortunately, only 2 channel).

I would want my collection ripped to ALAC so that I can simply duplicate the files in iTunes for playback at my computer and automatically port in lower-res format to all my mobile devices. (The ripping software would add the file to the hard drive for re-connection to the BDP and, at the same, add a copy to my computer's iTunes directory.)

Browsing the BDP connected drives would need to be fast and reliable."

We did test this, unfortunently I can't remember the exact numbers.  We tested the same USB 3.0/esata encolsure with a 1TB 5400 rpm hard drive and a 240GB OCZ Agility 2 Drive.  We then tested against USB 2.0, USB 3.0 upgrade module and eSata (just a Sata port on the main lard set to AHCI run to the back).  The USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 performed almost identical.  The USB 3.0 was about 5% faster then USB 2.0, but after comparing this to another system running Ubuntu we realized there was something wrong with the firmware.  So until this is figured out, USB 3.0 will be an upgrade for those who already have or about to buy a unit when the time comes.  Esata was about a third faster then USB 2.0 and the ssd was a third faster then the hard drive.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Nov 2012, 07:14 pm
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/coming-soon-brystons-new-mid-priced-dac/
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 14 Nov 2012, 05:27 pm
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/coming-soon-brystons-new-mid-priced-dac/
That is good news James  :D
Does the Euro version ship next week too?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Nov 2012, 06:03 pm
That is good news James  :D
Does the Euro version ship next week too?

Hi,

We are up and running production as of this week so it should not be a problem getting units overseas soon.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 10:35 am
Starting to reRIP my entire CD collection to ALAC ahead of picking a BDP up.  Any tips re organising files etc?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
Starting to reRIP my entire CD collection to ALAC ahead of picking a BDP up.  Any tips re organising files etc?

Hi

I would recommend Wave or Flac or if you want to stay with MAC then AIFF.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jtwrace on 18 Nov 2012, 01:20 pm
Starting to reRIP my entire CD collection to ALAC ahead of picking a BDP up.  Any tips re organising files etc?
Why rerip it and not just convert them?  It's much quicker to convert.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 01:54 pm
Why rerip it and not just convert them?  It's much quicker to convert.

Because the current rips aren't lossless
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 01:56 pm
Hi

I would recommend Wave or Flac or if you want to stay with MAC then AIFF.

James

AIFF is grossly inefficient.  I guess I can convert the ALAC folder to FLAC when done.  I thought you had ALAC up and running properly. Time to see the light...

What about subfolders etc or do you guys just drop all the individual files into one big folder?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 02:35 pm
AIFF is grossly inefficient.  I guess I can convert the ALAC folder to FLAC when done.  I thought you had ALAC up and running properly. Time to see the light...

What about subfolders etc or do you guys just drop all the individual files into one big folder?

Apple lossless will work OK but the others are just faster and Wave sounds best.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jtwrace on 18 Nov 2012, 02:36 pm
Apple lossless will work OK but the others are just faster and Wave sounds best.

james
There are many reports that they sound the same.   :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 02:38 pm
There are many reports that they sound the same.   :scratch:

Hi jw

Yes I know the discussion rages on  - but with the tests I have run on my setups I just prefer Wave.

And to add even more flame to the fire  I prefer Thumbdrives into the BDP over attached drives - go figure aye :duh:

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jtwrace on 18 Nov 2012, 02:39 pm
Hi jw

Yes I know the discussion rages on  - but with the tests I have run on my setups I just prefer Wave.

james
So it's all subjective?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 02:42 pm
So it's all subjective?

I guess so :scratch: - Each person chooses their system based on what they feel provides the best performance and the emotional connection they are after.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jtwrace on 18 Nov 2012, 02:45 pm
I guess so :scratch: - Each person chooses their system based on what they feel provides the best performance and the emotional connection they are after.

james
Well, of course they do but I was just curious to know how you came to the conclusion that one was better then the other.  That's it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 02:46 pm
Well, of course they do but I was just curious to know how you came to the conclusion that one was better then the other.  That's it.

Oh sorry - just listening to all the different versions in my setups the WAVE seems to provide the best overall response for me.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 18 Nov 2012, 03:21 pm
Oh sorry - just listening to all the different versions in my setups the WAVE seems to provide the best overall response for me.

james
I agree and with FLAC, the less compression you use, the better it sounds and zero FLAC compression is as good as WAV
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gjorgji on 18 Nov 2012, 03:54 pm

Hi James, did you try using uncompressed FLAC?

Also, not sure what current and future BDP owner are using for handling there library? Foobar, Jriver, MediaMonkey ? iTunes is not my cup of tee.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 03:56 pm
Hi James, did you try using uncompressed FLAC?

Also, not sure what current and future BDP owner are using for handling there library? Foobar, Jriver, MediaMonkey ? iTunes is not my cup of tee.

I have not - what converter program allows for uncompressed Flac - I have MMonkey and JRiver

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 18 Nov 2012, 04:02 pm
I have not - what converter program allows for uncompressed Flac - I have MMonkey and JRiver

james

DbPoweramp does, and sounds best to me.

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gjorgji on 18 Nov 2012, 04:06 pm
DbPoweramp does, and sounds best to me.

Cheers

That is correct .. from there web site:

FLAC encoder wording changed, also includes a FLAC Uncompressed encoding option (which stores audio uncompressed, for those who want WAVE PCM but with better ID Tagging).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gjorgji on 18 Nov 2012, 04:12 pm
I have not - what converter program allows for uncompressed Flac - I have MMonkey and JRiver

james

I've missed this thread:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=103168.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=103168.0)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 18 Nov 2012, 05:10 pm
HI James,

On the Mac both XLD and MAX support uncompressed FLAC encoding. They're getting better with each update, especially in finding correct Album Art, and convenience.

Cheers,
Marius


I have not - what converter program allows for uncompressed Flac - I have MMonkey and JRiver

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 05:12 pm
HI James,

On the Mac both XLD and MAX support uncompressed FLAC encoding. They're getting better with each update, especially in finding correct Album Art, and convenience.

Cheers,
Marius

Thanks.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 05:20 pm
HI James,

On the Mac both XLD and MAX support uncompressed FLAC encoding. They're getting better with each update, especially in finding correct Album Art, and convenience.

Cheers,
Marius

I am using XLD to generate ALAC.

Back to my question about subfolders etc?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 05:24 pm
Apple lossless will work OK but the others are just faster

I find this a puzzling statement.  How is the BDP doing its indexing of the drive?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 05:34 pm
I find this a puzzling statement.  How is the BDP doing its indexing of the drive?

Hi SGK

I am not sure it is just that I find the load times when you load a new drive works faster.  I will ask Chris the tech details.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 05:38 pm
Thanks as it is linked to my other question about indexing via USB2 versus eSata.  When I raised the notion of USB 2  attached drives with my tech department at the office the first thing they said was that it would likely be extremely slow to scan and browse an attached drive.  This is part of the reason why I am thinking about the 2 version.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 05:47 pm
James, how do you arrange the files on the drive?

iTunes creates a folder for each artist and then, within that, for each album.  What's recommended with the BDP?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 05:52 pm
James, how do you arrange the files on the drive?

iTunes creates a folder for each artist and then, within that, for each album.  What's recommended with the BDP?

I just use by "Artist".

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 05:53 pm
Hi James, did you try using uncompressed FLAC?

Also, not sure what current and future BDP owner are using for handling there library? Foobar, Jriver, MediaMonkey ? iTunes is not my cup of tee.

Hi

Thanks - I downloaded DBPoweramp Converter and will give it a try.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 06:05 pm
I just use by "Artist".

james

So no sub-folder for each album? I'm presuming you browse artwork or simply search by album or artist is MAX (if I recall the name of the software correctly).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2012, 06:19 pm
So no sub-folder for each album? I'm presuming you browse artwork or simply search by album or artist is MAX (if I recall the name of the software correctly).

Correct - I use MAX 2 and MPAD and MPOD most of the time on my IPAD and GNOME on my PC laptop.
Use Amarra, Pure Music, Audirvana and Bit Perfect on my MAC Laptop (iTunes).

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 18 Nov 2012, 06:27 pm
Thanks. I will be using an old iPad as a controller. I had a look at going down the Mac Mini route with Audirvana but have instead decided to use the BDP. (I have the simplest of Harmon Kardon Soundsticks and base thingy attached to my desktop - not for serious listening.)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: rompolompo on 19 Nov 2012, 02:54 am
I just use by "Artist".

james

There are couple of things to consider.

1. The more sub folders you have, the more time (slowest) the scanning and indexing process will take.
2. MPD does NOT "arrange" the structure of files. It is up to the application you use to display them according to your preferences.

I use the following:

Artist - Album

For example:

The Doors - Morrison Hotel
The Doors - Strange Days
The Doors - The Soft Parade

Songs are arranged in the following way:

01 - Tell All the People.flac
02 - Touch Me.flac
03 - Shaman's Blues.falc

If you need to copy an album, you just copy the relevant folder.



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: rompolompo on 19 Nov 2012, 02:57 am
I find this a puzzling statement.  How is the BDP doing its indexing of the drive?

It is faster o read and calculate the metadata from FLAC files than ALAC files. Unless you work for Apple or own a share, there is no real reason to use ALAC.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jjc1 on 19 Nov 2012, 08:15 pm
   James,what flash drives do you recommend? I'm thinking of getting some 64 GB drives for the BDP.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2012, 08:19 pm
   James,what flash drives do you recommend? I'm thinking of getting some 64 GB drives for the BDP.

This may sound insane but try the Cruzer Thumbdrive - they sound excellent!!!!

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jjc1 on 19 Nov 2012, 08:38 pm
    Thanks James. Will give them a try.
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Nov 2012, 03:24 am
Personally I remove the plastic casing from my USB drives and get my mason buddy to re-encase the USB thumb dive made of solid state memory in concrete to prevent vibration.  They sound amazing, even 64 bit mp3's sound outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: loopyground on 20 Nov 2012, 04:21 am
Personally I remove the plastic casing from my USB drives and get my mason buddy to re-encase the USB thumb dive made of solid state memory in concrete to prevent vibration.  They sound amazing, even 64 bit mp3's sound outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Chris
Would that void the warranty?   :icon_lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SHV on 20 Nov 2012, 05:03 am
Personally I remove the plastic casing from my USB drives and get my mason buddy to re-encase the USB thumb dive made of solid state memory in concrete to prevent vibration.  They sound amazing, even 64 bit mp3's sound outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Chris

I didn't find that improved the sound that much...try dense concrete with three spikes sitting on an platform of Dalbergia melanoxylon wood.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 20 Nov 2012, 05:15 am
Forget all of this nonsense about anti-vibration thumb drive encasements and let me know where can I get me some of those 64-bit MP3s!
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
That's one of the great things about this hobby  :thumb:  I call it the Double EE.
Engineering vs Experience   :scratch:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: scb on 20 Nov 2012, 08:14 pm
HI James,

On the Mac both XLD and MAX support uncompressed FLAC encoding. They're getting better with each update, especially in finding correct Album Art, and convenience.

Cheers,
Marius

I didn't realize people actually used uncompressed FLAC.  I suppose I can add it to the next version of xACT
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: scb on 20 Nov 2012, 08:15 pm
Apple lossless will work OK but the others are just faster and Wave sounds best.

james

While I may not agree, I am curious about this question:

Do you find wave better than aiff?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2012, 11:34 pm
While I may not agree, I am curious about this question:

Do you find wave better than aiff?

Hi

I am playing with that now and so far I statistically can not tell the difference.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: scb on 21 Nov 2012, 01:44 am
Hi

I am playing with that now and so far I statistically can not tell the difference.

James


I would expect that (I hoped that), since Wav and Aiff have the same data, just different byte order. 

Thanks for humoring me :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Nov 2012, 03:39 am
I didn't find that improved the sound that much...try dense concrete with three spikes sitting on an platform of Dalbergia melanoxylon wood.

Steve

Funny you should mention that as I have tried it but the wood just causes the electrons to move slower causing jitter, it's no good.  I mean you can't actually measure it, but a sensitive enough ear can tell the difference.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jjc1 on 21 Nov 2012, 09:34 pm
James, what USB ports should be used for 64GB thumb drives? Back or front?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2012, 10:22 pm
James, what USB ports should be used for 64GB thumb drives? Back or front?

Does not matter.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 23 Nov 2012, 07:56 am
There are couple of things to consider.

1. The more sub folders you have, the more time (slowest) the scanning and indexing process will take.
2. MPD does NOT "arrange" the structure of files. It is up to the application you use to display them according to your preferences.

I use the following:

Artist - Album

For example:

The Doors - Morrison Hotel
The Doors - Strange Days
The Doors - The Soft Parade

Songs are arranged in the following way:

01 - Tell All the People.flac
02 - Touch Me.flac
03 - Shaman's Blues.falc

If you need to copy an album, you just copy the relevant folder.

I would have expected the browsing software/controller to be able to identify albums even when there is just one folder full of songs (from various albums).  Is this not the case? I guess having a degree of subfolders makes it easier to manage removing albums...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 23 Nov 2012, 08:16 am
Most players will read file tag information to get Artist and Album names whether the song files are all in one folder or are in subfolders.  However, because standard WAV files don't contain these tags, organizing song files within an Artist > Album subfolder hierarchy will allow most players to correctly group Artists and Albums for WAV files without metadata.  It's just an all around good sense organizational convention.
 
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 24 Nov 2012, 03:49 pm

James,

Have the BDP-2's started to ship yet?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Nov 2012, 04:10 pm
James,

Have the BDP-2's started to ship yet?

The new BDA-2 DAC started shipping this past week and the BDP-2 Player will start end of next week.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: louis m on 27 Nov 2012, 04:46 pm
james,

will any external hard drives, whether connected by usb, esata, or nas, still need to be formatted as fat32? i would really like to be able to use hd's with greater than 2 tb capacity.

thanks,

louis
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2012, 06:04 pm
james,

will any external hard drives, whether connected by usb, esata, or nas, still need to be formatted as fat32? i would really like to be able to use hd's with greater than 2 tb capacity.

thanks,

louis

No problem - you can format to NTFS as well.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 27 Nov 2012, 07:27 pm

James,

To install a SSD within the BDP-2, it should not be a difficult task, say for someone who is
 familiar with building PC's from the ground up.

Open the box, screw the drive in its slot, connect 2 cables,  close the box.

I assume we would have to buy the cables, as they would not be in the box.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2012, 07:39 pm
James,

To install a SSD within the BDP-2, it should not be a difficult task, say for someone who is
 familiar with building PC's from the ground up.

Open the box, screw the drive in its slot, connect 2 cables,  close the box.

I assume we would have to buy the cables, as they would not be in the box.

The 4 screws are already in the box and the cable is attached to the mother board for you.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: louis m on 27 Nov 2012, 09:38 pm
No problem - you can format to NTFS as well.

james

thanks james,

installed paragon ntfs on my mac and will try reformatting a 3 tb drive tonight.

louis
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 28 Nov 2012, 03:11 am
James,
on the BDP2, would someone be easily able to import songs from thumbdrives to an
internal SSD 2.5" drive?  or can that only be done over the network via a computer?

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Nov 2012, 03:19 am
Please keep in mind the bdp-2's internal drive is limited to a 2.5" drive due to space, noise and heat

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2012, 03:21 am
James,
on the BDP2, would someone be easily able to import songs from thumbdrives to an
internal SSD 2.5" drive?  or can that only be done over the network via a computer?

Thanks

Only over the network.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Nov 2012, 03:23 am
James,
on the BDP2, would someone be easily able to import songs from thumbdrives to an
internal SSD 2.5" drive?  or can that only be done over the network via a computer?

Thanks

Can be done over the network
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 30 Nov 2012, 06:40 am
I'm very interested in this player.

I've fooled around with digital music file streaming for a couple of years now. Even to Linn gear, and I've never been 100% happy. It's basically let down by 3rd party software. So I am very much interested in getting a Bryston BDP-2 for my primary listening area. At the moment all by digital files are stored in itunes on a mac. I do this simply for convenience. Even 24/192 files (that can't be played in itunes) I use this "share" for Sonos around the house and currently for a Linn DS in the primary listening area.

I'm thinking of replacing the Linn DS with the Bryston in the primary listening area :)

My questions are

1/ Could a Bryston BDP-2 with an internal SDD be used as my main digital library "share" for Sonos? For the Linn DS? (as well as being a primary music player in it's own right)

2/ Could I simply copy my entire itunes library (off my mac) and set it up on the Bryston as an itunes "server"?

3/ If i copy over my itunes library to the Bryston, how easy will it be to navigate thru the folders to find and play an album with the remote or buttons on the Bryston?

4/ What other ways could I navigate the itunes library on the Byston?

Cheers

Exciting product :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 1 Dec 2012, 09:57 pm
Does the new Bryston BDP-2 digital player also use a BNC SPDIF output connection or has this been changed to an RCA SPDIF connection?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2012, 10:29 pm
Does the new Bryston BDP-2 digital player also use a BNC SPDIF output connection or has this been changed to an RCA SPDIF connection?

It uses a BNC and and AES EBU - that way you can maintain the proper impedances (75 ohms on the BNC and 110 ohms on the AES). 

You can use a BNC to SPDIF COAX (RCA) adapter or a cable with BNC on one end and SPDIF RCA on the other but make sure the RCA connector is a true 75 ohms.

http://bryston.com/products/other/digital_BNC_RCA.html

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 2 Dec 2012, 12:30 am
Care to answer any of my questions James?

I know there are a few curly ones  :o

Sorry

But I'm real keen on getting this new player of yours. I auditioned the BDP-1 a year or so back and was blown away with the simplicity and sound of it all.... 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2012, 01:15 am
Care to answer any of my questions James?

I know there are a few curly ones  :o

Sorry

But I'm real keen on getting this new player of yours. I auditioned the BDP-1 a year or so back and was blown away with the simplicity and sound of it all....

Hi

I forwarded it to Chris Rice our resident expert.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mike-48 on 3 Dec 2012, 05:38 am
James, is Bryston planning to update the Web site soon?  I've been looking there for actual printed specs for BDP-1 and BDP-2 that would document exact capabilities when streaming. That would be more convenient than reading through dozens (if not hundreds) of posts here.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2012, 11:46 am
James, is Bryston planning to update the Web site soon?  I've been looking there for actual printed specs for BDP-1 and BDP-2 that would document exact capabilities when streaming. That would be more convenient than reading through dozens (if not hundreds) of posts here.

Hi Mike

Yes we are working on adding the lit to the website.  Email me and I can send you the lit - jamestanner@bryston.com

If you are looking for a 'streaming' product though the BDP-2 would not be the best choice.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Dec 2012, 11:45 am
Hi Mike

Yes we are working on adding the lit to the website.  Email me and I can send you the lit - jamestanner@bryston.com

If you are looking for a 'streaming' product though the BDP-2 would not be the best choice.

james

Hi James,

Why wouldn't the BDP-2 be the best choice for a streaming solution?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 11:52 am
Hi James,

Why wouldn't the BDP-2 be the best choice for a streaming solution?

I guess I need to define streaming  :duh:  I assumed he meant for listening to Internet radio  :scratch:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Dec 2012, 04:39 pm
Hi James,

I have a BDP-1.

How do I obtain a USB interface for 192/24 capability?  :scratch:

Thanks.
CM
Title: Re: BDA-1 USB
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Dec 2012, 05:21 pm
Ignore my last message.

I meant BDA-1, notBDP-1. Brain cramp.

How do I get a USB interface 192/24 capability for my BDA-1?
Thanks.

CM
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mike-48 on 4 Dec 2012, 05:51 pm
I guess I need to define streaming  :duh:  I assumed he meant for listening to Internet radio  :scratch:

James

Hi James, IMO a BDP-2 would be tremendous overkill mainly for Internet radio. No, my plan is to rip my music collection to my computer (I'm already 700+ discs into the job) and use DLNA for playback. The convenience alone makes this worthwhile to me, though I have other reasons too.  --Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 06:11 pm
Hi James, IMO a BDP-2 would be tremendous overkill mainly for Internet radio. No, my plan is to rip my music collection to my computer (I'm already 700+ discs into the job) and use DLNA for playback. The convenience alone makes this worthwhile to me, though I have other reasons too.  --Mike

Hi,

OK then... you are fine if you want to stream over the network through the Ethernet connection.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mike-48 on 4 Dec 2012, 09:25 pm
OK then... you are fine if you want to stream over the network through the Ethernet connection.

...And is it your impression that this gives the same sound quality as playing from a thumb drive?  Or not?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2012, 09:33 pm
...And is it your impression that this gives the same sound quality as playing from a thumb drive?  Or not?

Thats the million dollar question and different points of view prevail. :duh:

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mike-48 on 4 Dec 2012, 09:37 pm
Thats the million dollar question and different points of view prevail. :duh:
Interesting -- thanks! If that's the state of opinion, I'll assume the differences are not huge, or there would be more consensus.  (I mean "huge" in the everyday sense, not audiophile "huge" -- which seems to mean "barely perceptible to a highly trained dog.") :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 4 Dec 2012, 10:19 pm
Interesting -- thanks! If that's the state of opinion, I'll assume the differences are not huge, or there would be more consensus.  (I mean "huge" in the everyday sense, not audiophile "huge" -- which seems to mean "barely perceptible to a highly trained dog.") :)

I had the same decision to make so the plan which seemed to work best for me was to compare the two solutions  and go with the solution which worked for me.
Just an idea?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mike-48 on 4 Dec 2012, 11:18 pm
I had the same decision to make so the plan which seemed to work best for me was to compare the two solutions  and go with the solution which worked for me.
Just an idea?

Of course!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bobNL on 4 Dec 2012, 11:26 pm
audiophile "huge" -- which seems to mean "barely perceptible to a highly trained dog."  :)

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Dec 2012, 03:23 am
I'm very interested in this player.

I've fooled around with digital music file streaming for a couple of years now. Even to Linn gear, and I've never been 100% happy. It's basically let down by 3rd party software. So I am very much interested in getting a Bryston BDP-2 for my primary listening area. At the moment all by digital files are stored in itunes on a mac. I do this simply for convenience. Even 24/192 files (that can't be played in itunes) I use this "share" for Sonos around the house and currently for a Linn DS in the primary listening area.

I'm thinking of replacing the Linn DS with the Bryston in the primary listening area :)

My questions are

1/ Could a Bryston BDP-2 with an internal SDD be used as my main digital library "share" for Sonos? For the Linn DS? (as well as being a primary music player in it's own right)

2/ Could I simply copy my entire itunes library (off my mac) and set it up on the Bryston as an itunes "server"?

3/ If i copy over my itunes library to the Bryston, how easy will it be to navigate thru the folders to find and play an album with the remote or buttons on the Bryston?

4/ What other ways could I navigate the itunes library on the Byston?

Cheers

Exciting product :)

Hi

Sorry about the late posting, I thought I had already replied to this.  In short we currently don't support the BDP-2 as an iTunes server.  However as a possible alternative you could share the iTunes folder from your computer via samba (windows file sharing).

As to controlling the bdp, the front panel controls were simply designed for navigating small amount of albums.  I would highly recommend any one of several MPD clients or the integrated web apps.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 6 Dec 2012, 09:38 am
Hi

Sorry about the late posting, I thought I had already replied to this.  In short we currently don't support the BDP-2 as an iTunes server.  However as a possible alternative you could share the iTunes folder from your computer via samba (windows file sharing).

As to controlling the bdp, the front panel controls were simply designed for navigating small amount of albums.  I would highly recommend any one of several MPD clients or the integrated web apps.

Cheers,
Chris

Chris. Thanks for the reply.

I'll tell you where I am coming from here (and it kind of relates to some of the other posts as well)

The whole point (as I see it) of the BDP-2 is to *not* use it as a "streamer" to the BDP-2. It's to play the files off the SDD. I've got a perfectly good streamer. With the Linn. Been there done that.   :roll: Disappointed ....

I'm simply over the practical network issues that ruin the listening experience of hi rez in my primary listening zone..

What I was asking was is it possible to use the BDP2 to stream files away from the BDP-2 to  other devices (like Sonos)...as a secondary role, in addition to using it as a primary player of a library stored on the SDD... Network streaming is OK in secondary listening areas because the listener treats it like the radio..you expect interference (read network drop-outs) etc.. in non critical areas..

The primary zone is a different matter.. There is something beautifully simple about playing digital files straight off the player (without any networking).. and *not* attaching it to noisey computer gear in the room where all ones expensive hifi gear is..

So please don't confuse the beautiful simplicity of the original BDP-1 concept..

I have absolutely no intention of streaming the other way..ie from computer to the Byrston.. via samba, network or usb.. I'm simply over all the hassles of doing this with the Linn...

Do you now get my drift? 

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 6 Dec 2012, 09:46 am
See above :)

So I see the unique role of the BDP-2 as *the* primary files storage location of ones digital library. On the SSD.

Locate it in your primary listening area attached to all your expensive gear and play the files off the SSD here. Kind of like a huge CD transport..

And use the music library on SSD of the BDP-2 as a network share for Sonos in all the other secondary areas.

Could this be done?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 7 Dec 2012, 03:58 am
Hello,

I'm hesitant to say yes as we don't have one to test with and I havn't been able o find an official list of supported protocols that the sonos supports.  So I'm not entirely sure if the sonos will read the files from the bdp-2 via its upnp or samba services.

If the sonos can see files hosted via upnp (aka dlna) then yes I don't see why it would work.  This could be tested very easily by installing ps3 media server (upnp server software for macs/windows computers).

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 7 Dec 2012, 04:48 am
Thanks Chris.

I think samba might be the way to go..

So the BDP-2 can act as a samba server. Correct? It runs some version of linux. It can basically serve up a music folder as an smb share?

If so we might be in luck. See:

https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/195/~/using-sonos-without-a-supported-operating-system

I can test on a Dune player for you, if you like: which can also serve up folders as smb shares...

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 7 Dec 2012, 01:55 pm
James,

Are the BDP-2 shipping yet.  Any chance that i will see it by Christmas...   :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Dec 2012, 08:38 pm
James,

Are the BDP-2 shipping yet.  Any chance that i will see it by Christmas...   :)

Production tells me we start shipping next week.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 7 Dec 2012, 09:04 pm
Production tells me we start shipping next week.

james

Excellent news, Be a gent James and make sure there is one on a plane heading over to the UK asap  :wink: :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 8 Dec 2012, 09:38 am
Guys. Future BDP-2 users.

You have to understand the inherent difficulties of hi-rez 24/192 streaming.

It's a nightmare. Go take a look at the Linn forum. The endless hassles and complaints..

Linn has tried for years to get this right. And still there are hiccups. Literally.

As a Linn owner I can vouch for that!

Been there. Done that.   :wink:

James and Bryston are dead right to produce this niche product. First with the BDP-1 now the 2.

The huge advantage of the 2 over the 1... is *not* the addition of upnp/ethernet from a NAS or computer and/or usb "streaming" from computer to player...

Yeh yeh , I know it's trendy and all the rage. With Jriver and whatever..

No folks.

The beauty of the Bryston concept is the ability to play files straight off a disc without moving parts... *unattached* to all the electrical noise and jitter of an attached computer.

(And un-influenced by network drop out's and all the problems inherent in moving large files around a computer network.)

Straight off a source without moving parts. And No networking. First with the BDP-1 via usb and now from a SSD with the BDP-2. That's the exciting improvement over the 1. It's the ability to add a SSD!!! (512GB are now under $500) That's a pretty sizeable library. Even of hi rez files.  :)

Any added streaming will be best done the other way. Via ethernet. From the Bryston to something else. To lesser gear. In rooms and with stuff where sound quality doesn't matter. The 16/48 files. It doesn't matter in these areas if there is network drops, interference or such stuff. Becasue these areas are *not* critical listening areas.

But with all your best gear?..

Use the Bryston's internal SSD attached to and all isolated with your expensive primary listening gear..

And stream the same library elsewhere the other way

Trust me on this folks. If you buy this product thinking the additional streaming too the player will solve all your problems..yeh you might feel hip and grovvy for a while, but I guarantee with time you will end up all frustrated, and start playing all your stuff straight off the Bryston (again). With not an an attached computer in ear shot.

Cheers



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 8 Dec 2012, 10:55 am
I wholeheartedly agree!
I looked at the Linn solution before getting the BDP-1 and the hoops you have to jump through to get it to work properly are an absolute joke.
To me, the Naim was poorly engineered, the company are analogue guys, not digital and don't get it.
The BDP-1 was the only solution that worked for me.
I dalied for a while with other solutions with internal drives but they were all propriortory and you're locked in to their UIs.
MPad really makes the BDP easy to use and it's one of its major strengths as well as the sound quality.
You don't have to use the Bryston UIs if you don't like them.

I've never been convinced by the Bryston amp sound (different strokes etc), I prefer Classe but for me, the BDP is a winner.
I've had it for two years and never regretted it.

I believe the only reason the streaming feature has been added is because all the magazines demanded it.
My advice, stick with an attached drive, you won't regret it.
You can still copy stuff from your PC to the attached drive (USB or eSATA) over a network. What more can you want?

--End of free Bryston promotion--  :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Asimov on 9 Dec 2012, 03:41 pm
Could a Bryston BDP-2 & BDA-2 play DSD files?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Dec 2012, 03:44 pm
Could a Bryston BDP-2 & BDA-2 play DSD files?

It's the DAC that must be programmed to play DSD and the AKM chipset we are using is capable of it in the BDP2. We are considering it but looking into the legalities given Sony's patent

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 11 Dec 2012, 01:03 pm

The beauty of the Bryston concept is the ability to play files straight off a disc without moving parts... *unattached* to all the electrical noise and jitter of an attached computer.

(And un-influenced by network drop out's and all the problems inherent in moving large files around a computer network.)

Straight off a source without moving parts. And No networking. First with the BDP-1 via usb and now from a SSD with the BDP-2. That's the exciting improvement over the 1. It's the ability to add a SSD!!! (512GB are now under $500) That's a pretty sizeable library. Even of hi rez files.  :)


This for me is where I find the BDP-2 really interesting, the BDP-1 sounds absolutely amazing and still has the power to surprise me and give me tingles but the thought of attaching a SSD internally can only improve the performance again, yes being able to read of a NAS is a real benefit to some, I have to admit I stream 24/192 with my Naim kit without any problems, but I can't wait to get a smallish SSD drive and fill it with some reference recordings, fit it internally to the BDP-2 and do a back to back shoot-out, the same rips read from an attached HDD, the internal SSD drive and from my NAS, from what I've experienced in the past I'll be amazed if the internal SSD doesn't offer superior performance.

As far as I'm aware there isn't any other manufacturer that offers this solution, surely there can be no better storage solution than having the storage with no moving parts attached direct to the board internally, just need prices to drop further for SSD's and it will be happy days :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 11 Dec 2012, 03:30 pm

+1

The ability to add an internal SSD was one of the main reasons I ordered the BDP-2.


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: yioryos on 12 Dec 2012, 01:52 am
Hi to all
I have a question. Isn't possible to attach an external SSD to the BDP-1?   If yes (I think it's possible,correct me if wrong) why is it different than an internally installed SSD in BDP-2? Also how many of us are comfortable enough to be doing internal hdd installs e.t.c.. I know I am not . I just bought the BDP-1 and having second thoughts.
Regards
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Dec 2012, 04:12 am
The BDP-2 simply adds additional features that potential and current customers have asked for.  So from a sound stand point it's identical.  The only three benefits I can see from using a internal SSD is the following

1. For those with the most sensitive of hearing that might hear the noise of 2.5" drive enclosed in a steel case.
2. Initial load time
3. The fact it is the system and not showing

The bandwidth needed to playback 192khz 24bit can be handled quite easily by uSB 2.0 or even 100Mb Ethernet.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: yioryos on 12 Dec 2012, 05:32 am
 :D Hi Chris
Thank you for the response,I agree with all it makes sense,excellent points and very well thought. My personal take .
1. My hearing is average I guess ,I don't think I will be focusing on the drive and the noise from it ,I am for the music.
2. I can wait few more seconds,hey even minutes.
3. I got me the 1TB WD Passport Studio,it comes in a nice metal enclosure with anodize aluminum sides ,feels and looks good,I want to display it!

 Chris I talked to you on the phone last week regarding the HFS+ journaled format for Mac. Thank you for the email.

George
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 12 Dec 2012, 07:55 am
Hi to all
I have a question. Isn't possible to attach an external SSD to the BDP-1?   

Now there is a *very* good idea! Get a portable SSD drive load it up via your computer then plug it into the BDP-1...

Pity it can't do thunderbolt or USB3

But for simple music file playback this wouldn't be necessary..

Go for it man. Forget your "second thought's"
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 10 Jan 2013, 07:17 pm
Hi James,

Had any decision on progress been made regarding adding USB outputs to the BDP2? I am in the market for the BDP2 and a DAC and some of the DACs I am looking out only have USB inputs. And in some cases those that have multiple types of inputs its been said the USB connection is superior sonically.

So it would help in my research/future purchase if I knew this was a definite direction you guys were going.

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 10 Jan 2013, 07:25 pm
That would require an entirely different sound card...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: TMY168 on 16 Jan 2013, 03:39 am
It's the DAC that must be programmed to play DSD and the AKM chipset we are using is capable of it in the BDP2. We are considering it but looking into the legalities given Sony's patent

James

Thanks James, I'm looking forward to hear any news regarding DSD playability.  My local dealer in Thailand starts to list it.  I'm seriously considering it, while comparing BDP-2 to Auraliti PK90-FW, which states that it supports DSD.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 12:59 pm
Thanks James, I'm looking forward to hear any news regarding DSD playability.  My local dealer in Thailand starts to list it.  I'm seriously considering it, while comparing BDP-2 to Auraliti PK90-FW, which states that it supports DSD.

Yes I think if DSD is really important to you I would pass on the BDA-2 for now.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budt on 16 Jan 2013, 02:55 pm
  I think any meaningful library of DSD is at least 3-5 years( or more) away.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 16 Jan 2013, 04:20 pm
HI James,

I am a bit puzzeled what you mean by stating you "would pass on the BDA2 for now"?

Since I'm not in  the position to buy a BDAx/BDPx every version you develop, every 2 years or so, could you give us some indication of the USB converter you announced earlier?
I am making up  my mind to wait for the Bryston version of a hires dac/player that does HDMI-deembedding and DSD, or switch to one of the other quality brands that offer this funtionality already.

How come you so easily forgo on the DSD-requests of your customers? The fact that there's no DSD catalog yet, and maybe not for another 2 years, in my wallet does not justify a temporary 5000 expense again, for a solution that at this moment already is not quite future proof, not even by standards in speed  of current digital developments.

I honestly would hope you change your opinion/attitude about those market requests, and let us stay and rave about Bryston. I would seriously hope you reconsider, and make our investments a bit more future proof.

Thanks, Marius



Yes I think if DSD is really important to you I would pass on the BDA-2 for now.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 04:34 pm
HI James,

I am a bit puzzeled what you mean by stating you "would pass on the BDA2 for now"?

Since I'm not in  the position to buy a BDAx/BDPx every version you develop, every 2 years or so, could you give us some indication of the USB converter you announced earlier?
I am making up  my mind to wait for the Bryston version of a hires dac/player that does HDMI-deembedding and DSD, or switch to one of the other quality brands that offer this funtionality already.

How come you so easily forgo on the DSD-requests of your customers? The fact that there's no DSD catalog yet, and maybe not for another 2 years, in my wallet does not justify a temporary 5000 expense again, for a solution that at this moment already is not quite future proof, not even by standards in speed  of current digital developments.

I honestly would hope you change your opinion/attitude about those market requests, and let us stay and rave about Bryston. I would seriously hope you reconsider, and make our investments a bit more future proof.

Thanks, Marius

Hi Marius,

Do you mean the USB interface we are working on?  That is to allow you to go from the USB output to a BNC or AES output.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73823)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73824)

As for DSD - the chip set in the BDA-2 is capable of DSD but the software has not been written yet - I do not want people buying the BDA-2 an expecting it to be able to do DSD.

james



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 16 Jan 2013, 05:09 pm
Yes James, when will it be released?

As for Dsd: will you be supporting this, or won't you? Hope you will. Hdmi support might be possible in the extension options of the bdp2? Or is this version 3 functionality?

Thanks!
Marius

Hi Marius,

Do you mean the USB interface we are working on?  That is to allow you to go from the USB output to a BNC or AES output.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73823)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=73824)

As for DSD - the chip set in the BDA-2 is capable of DSD but the software has not been written yet - I do not want people buying the BDA-2 an expecting it to be able to do DSD.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2013, 05:22 pm
Yes James, when will it be released?

As for Dsd: will you be supporting this, or won't you? Hope you will. Hdmi support might be possible in the extension options of the bdp2? Or is this version 3 functionality?

Thanks!
Marius

Hi

Dan our engineer is working on the USB Interface currently so I expect we will have a unit available in a couple of months. 

We are going to look into the DSD and see what we can do - just no promises at this point.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: TMY168 on 18 Jan 2013, 06:24 am
Yes I think if DSD is really important to you I would pass on the BDA-2 for now.

james

Thank you very much, sir, for the honest response.   :D
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 23 Jan 2013, 02:49 pm
I've been considering the BDP-2 for a while now, but I'm a little reticent on pulling the trigger.

Currently I have a Squeezebox Touch feeding my Simaudio Moon 300D DAC into my B135 that I can control via my MacMini and Playbook. I'm very happy with the sound that I'm getting and with my ability to control the interface.

So, my question is: If I get the BDP-2, without getting a BDA-1/2, will there be an appreciable improvement in my SQ, or will it be a sideways sort of move?

I'm stressing a bit over what to do.

Any opinions would be appreciated.  8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 23 Jan 2013, 03:34 pm
Hi

I moved recently from Squeezebox Touch to BDP-1. I tested both connected to BDA-1
There is indisputably sonic improvement of BDP vs SB. I am not skilled in explaining the differences, however an example of how my wife perceived the difference:
- voice reproduction: with SB was like the singer keeps the microphone to close to his mouth, while with BDP every word is very clear and articulated
- staging: with SB is like I am sitting in first row of the concert and a big speaker is shouting at me, while with BDP I am sitting few rows back and I can relax listening at music

Now, on the ergonomic
SB have better interface for PC or smartphones; never crashes. Moving to MPDroid there was a learning curve. Initially I was thinking the control is terrible, however after one week I was totally comfortable with the new interface
On the other hand, with SB I had to keep my PC on when listening to music; this was generating little, however audible noise; with BDP I have a silent setup composed from 3TB HDD connected to a USB 3.0 interface, kept together in one decent looking aluminium case. I have to update from time to time the HDD, however my music collection is quite stable, so this can be like weekly maintenance. If I want to listen to a download faster, I just copy it to a USB flash drive.

In the end, on the features:
SB provides very complex tagging statistics, lots of plug-ins, integration with lots of internet services. BDP is very simple on this. However, on SB I was using only integration with Last.fm for reporting played tracks, so not much missed from my side. This is doable for BDP also, if software engineers from Bryston would like to do it.

It is for you to decide, there are some trade offs, in my case are acceptable, for a good friend of mine were not acceptable. He ended up upgrading his SB Touch to Squeezebox Transporter from the same family, it is end of life however can be found on internet.
We both are very happy with our decisions :)

PS

Would you like to post some impressions on B135? Product is lacking reviews and I am quite curious how people are perceiving it.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 24 Jan 2013, 07:52 pm
I really like my 135. Nice and refined. It has less overall grunt power than my previous amp (Anthem 225), so I find that I have to crank the volume knob a bit more, but it's all relative I guess. I have, however, toyed with the thought of getting a 4B and using the 135 just as a pre, but for now that's just a hypothetical.

On a more on topic note, I just ordered my BDP-2 from my local dealer. Was told to expect at least a three week delivery.

 :drool:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 29 Jan 2013, 01:09 am
Hey!

Quick question....

I just bought a 3TB external HD to get things ready for the BDP-2's arrival.

It's currently formatted for a Mac.... Mac OS Extended (Journaled).

Do I need to reformat this, or is it compatible with the BDP?

TIA !
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 29 Jan 2013, 01:39 am
Figured it out.

I originally tried it via the "erase" tab of the Mac OS Disk Utility, but it wasn't an option.

Then I found it in the "partition" tab. Chose partition, Fat32, and even renamed the disk Bryston HD :D

I'm transferring my files right now.....

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 29 Jan 2013, 01:57 am
Is anyone running their BDP-2 digital player through the optional internal DAC of their B135 integrated amp or the optional internal DAC of their BP26 pre-amp?

Do these optional internal DACs do justice to the BDP-2 digital player and do they support 24/192 hi-rez FLAC music files?

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jan 2013, 02:47 am
Is anyone running their BDP-2 digital player through the optional internal DAC of their B135 integrated amp or the optional internal DAC of their BP26 pre-amp?

Do these optional internal DACs do justice to the BDP-2 digital player and do they support 24/192 hi-rez FLAC music files?

Hi,

Those Dac's work very well with the BDP, but are limited to 96khz 24bit.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 29 Jan 2013, 12:34 pm
Hi,

Those Dac's work very well with the BDP, but are limited to 96khz 24bit.

Cheers,
Chris

Does that mean that a 24/192 FLAC music file will be "downgraded" to 24/96 or that the 24/192 file will not play through those DACs?

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jan 2013, 03:21 am
Does that mean that a 24/192 FLAC music file will be "downgraded" to 24/96 or that the 24/192 file will not play through those DACs?

No, anything higher then 96khz 24bit doesn't play, well technically it does play you just won't hear anything

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: m00nhawk on 30 Jan 2013, 06:03 am
24/192 works great with an SP3!  :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 5 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
I have both Bdp1 and Bdp2 , using the Mpad interface to control them.
On some record, the ones I ripped to Wav does not show up in the display on Bdp2 , but does on the Bdp1 .
Also on the Mpad when you touch the album cover you can see the bitrate, can see it when controling Bdp1 but on Bdp2 it show 0kb/sec,441001khz , on same files (wav) ? ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Feb 2013, 03:10 am
I have both Bdp1 and Bdp2 , using the Mpad interface to control them.
On some record, the ones I ripped to Wav does not show up in the display on Bdp2 , but does on the Bdp1 .
Also on the Mpad when you touch the album cover you can see the bitrate, can see it when controling Bdp1 but on Bdp2 it show 0kb/sec,441001khz , on same files (wav) ? ?

Hi Xinon,

The firmware posted below should fix that.

[url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86196657/firmware/20130130/firmware20130130.bin[\url]

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: hal jones on 6 Feb 2013, 03:17 am
Coming up to two weeks since ordering. Gettin' antsy.  :bomb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2013, 02:49 pm
Hi Folks

Have to say I a very happy with the sound I am getting from the BDP-2 USB 'OUT'  in to the new BDA2 Asynchonous USB input.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adol290 on 6 Feb 2013, 03:11 pm
Hi Folks

Have to say I a very happy with the sound I am getting from the BDP-2 USB 'OUT'  in to the new BDA2 Asynchonous USB input.  :thumb:

James

Is this a firmware upgrade that will be available to all current BDP-2 owners.

If so I guess you could also go BDP-2 USB "OUT" to the USB input on the SP3?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Feb 2013, 03:59 pm
Is this a firmware upgrade that will be available to all current BDP-2 owners.

If so I guess you could also go BDP-2 USB "OUT" to the USB input on the SP3?

Hi Adol290,

Yes it will be a feature in the new software coming.  The USB on the SP3 is not Asynchonous so it would have to be only into the BDP-2 for now.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 6 Feb 2013, 08:24 pm
Hi Adol290,

Yes it will be a feature in the new software coming.  The USB on the SP3 is not Asynchonous so it would have to be only into the BDP-2 for now.

james

James,

what was the reason to go for an adaptive usb in the SP3?

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2013, 12:07 am
James,

what was the reason to go for an adaptive usb in the SP3?

al.

We had not developed the async version yet.  There are 'ready made' USB ASYNC chips and circuits out there that many repackage.  We wanted to develop our own.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 7 Feb 2013, 07:34 am
We had not developed the async version yet.  There are 'ready made' USB ASYNC chips and circuits out there that many repackage.  We wanted to develop our own.

james

...is Bryston currently working on  their own async version? and would it be possible to upgrade the SP3 with async usb later?

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2013, 01:04 pm
...is Bryston currently working on  their own async version? and would it be possible to upgrade the SP3 with async usb later?

al.

It will be the same one we developed for the new BDA-2 DAC

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 7 Feb 2013, 03:56 pm
It will be the same one we developed for the new BDA-2 DAC

james

sorry, James...i didn't get it somehow :roll:

does it mean that the SP3 will be upgradeable with Bryston's async usb?


al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Feb 2013, 04:47 pm
sorry, James...i didn't get it somehow :roll:

does it mean that the SP3 will be upgradeable with Bryston's async usb?


al.

Yes - the USB circuit in the SP3 is modular.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 8 Feb 2013, 11:18 am
Here is some good news, looks like cheap SSD drives are on the way, just in time for the BDP-2, perfect  :thumb:

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/storage/1297006/crucial-m500-1tb-ssd-launched-at-low-price
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Anonamemouse on 8 Feb 2013, 03:46 pm
Here is some good news, looks like cheap SSD drives are on the way, just in time for the BDP-2, perfect  :thumb:

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/storage/1297006/crucial-m500-1tb-ssd-launched-at-low-price
"cheap"... They are still ten times more expensive!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 8 Feb 2013, 04:21 pm
Sorry, perhaps I should have said 'Cheaper'.

I'm thinking with the BDP-2 I'll put something like the 480GB SSD version in it for around $300, I thought that was not too bad really, just hoping in the UK they keep prices reasonable.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 10 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
James, out of interest, in the BDP-2 where does the SSD get its power from? The main board or directly from the PSU (independently of the main board)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 10 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
Sorry, perhaps I should have said 'Cheaper'.

I'll put something like the 480GB SSD version in

480GB is an incredible amount of 2-channel music. Unless you have that today, you may find it cheaper to buy a smaller drive and then a new larger one when it is full (if ever).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 10 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
Hi Folks

Have to say I a very happy with the sound I am getting from the BDP-2 USB 'OUT'  in to the new BDA2 Asynchonous USB input.  :thumb:

James

James, so does this completely skip the Juli@ sound card? (or rather not even get there) It seems like this would just be driven by the motherboard or am I missing something.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 10 Feb 2013, 01:00 pm
James, so does this [BDP-2 USB 'OUT'  in to the new BDA2 Asynchonous USB input] completely skip the Juli@ sound card? (or rather not even get there) It seems like this would just be driven by the motherboard or am I missing something.

Yes, this is discussed in the topic "BDP-2 - no Soundcard"
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=113691.0

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Feb 2013, 01:29 pm
James, out of interest, in the BDP-2 where does the SSD get its power from? The main board or directly from the PSU (independently of the main board)?

I will check with Chris on that.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Feb 2013, 09:13 pm
An internal drive will receive its power via the mainboard.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 10 Feb 2013, 09:28 pm
Yes, this is discussed in the topic "BDP-2 - no Soundcard"
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=113691.0

Steve

Hmmm... it would depend on whether Bryston deploy just the motherboard USB or whether they produce something that thrashes the SoTM USB sound card.  But for me, I want SPDIF + AES/EBU in any event.

BTW, James, the Juli@ sound card outputs SPDIF and to get it to AES/EBU requires a conversion, no? I wonder what the advantage of the AES/EBU connection is in these circumstances...

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 10 Feb 2013, 09:29 pm
An internal drive will receive its power via the mainboard.

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks Chris.  What would be the advantages, if any, of independent power supply to the SATA SSD? Is this something you considered at all?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Feb 2013, 02:59 am
Well I suppose we could have isolated the hard drives power supply to a linear one; however that would have increased the cost and the data from the drive would have been sent through the main board regardless.  In the end effectly undoing any potential advantages of the linear supply, not that I can think of any advantages as the data is stored digitally.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 03:56 am
At the BDP price point you can definitely have a boatload of power supplies inside, the problem is that eventually you'll have to connect them together. Which pretty much defeats the point of having so many.

Check this for starters:

http://e2e.ti.com/support/data_converters/precision_data_converters/w/design_notes/1390.aspx (http://e2e.ti.com/support/data_converters/precision_data_converters/w/design_notes/1390.aspx)

it basically says that if you have a DAC or ADC in your design you're pretty much doomed.

For more fun google for "analog vs. digital ground" and check the PDF application notes from folks like Analog Devices & Texas Instruments.

Digital schmidgital.

 :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 09:06 am
I need to do some reading and also understand better things like galvanic isolation.  My question was prompted by a post by Paul Hynes in his circle on this website.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104425.0

"I have been asked by a number of CAPS 2 audio server builders about providing a linear power supply option for the server.

This can easily be set up within the SR7EHD multi rail chassis to provide a 12v rail for the Jetway motherboard, a 12v rail for the SotM USB card, a rail for a SSD hard drive and a rail for an external hard drive for file storage. All the rails are galvanically isolated to avoid any ground loop interaction problems.

This Caps 2 linear supply will give first class performance as the linear voltage regulators use my best ultra low noise wide bandwidth regulator topology with each rail configured and optimised for the intended load."

My initial reaction was the same as Chris's but perhaps this is more complicated. Or marketing spiel!

Napalm, not sure I follow you given the BDP-2 is a pure digital device and the DAC is completely separate (in my case a Theta Casablanca III HD) but perhaps I need to do some reading first.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 11:40 am

Check this for starters:

http://e2e.ti.com/support/data_converters/precision_data_converters/w/design_notes/1390.aspx (http://e2e.ti.com/support/data_converters/precision_data_converters/w/design_notes/1390.aspx)

it basically says that if you have a DAC or ADC in your design you're pretty much doomed.

For more fun google for "analog vs. digital ground" and check the PDF application notes from folks like Analog Devices & Texas Instruments.


Okay Napalm, I've done a bit of reading of the papers by  Analog Devices but it would seem to me to be more of an issue for the design of, in my case, the Casablanca III HD (which has both analogue and digital components) than a discussion of the BDP-2.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 11 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
I'd also like DSD. And sure, the hardware inside this player might be capable of DSD, but I must admit what is the point of Bryston developing the software for DSD on this player?

It doesn't have any way I can tell of getting the native DSD signal *out* of the player as far as I can tell... There are no Analogs out.. (This is not a DAC folks..) Nor is there I2S or Asynch USB out.

So what's the proposed output? Via the spdif port?.. I didn't know Digital coax could actually transmit DSD. Same with the XLR output port...
And even if Brston could get DSD transmission out via these ports, what DAC with these inputs does everyone intend to plug the BDP-2 into to play these DSD files?

Am I missing something here..? Please enlighten me. Cheers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 01:38 pm
Okay Napalm, I've done a bit of reading of the papers by  Analog Devices but it would seem to me to be more of an issue for the design of, in my case, the Casablanca III HD (which has both analogue and digital components) than a discussion of the BDP-2.  What am I missing?

Your observation is correct up to the point that eventually you'll have to connect the BDP to some other box containing a DAC.

What you should note is that:

- digital circuits work by switching; this is what produces signals of extremely large bandwidth, up to RF domain

- once you got into RF noise, and its wavelength is comparable to the length of the conductors/traces on your PCB, it will happily propagate inside your box as EMI without any need for galvanic connections

- the RF noise is proportional to the power drawn by the digital component producing it (you have to check the power consumption of that SSD drive to understand how much noise it could make)

- digital circuits by themselves are pretty tolerant to the above noise

- in a pure digital box you can easily get away with just one power supply and local decoupling / good PCB design no need for multiple sources

- the largest amount of noise is usually generated by the digital components not by the power supply itself (even if it's of the switching type)

- you get into trouble when you need to connect the digital circuit to an analog one

- if you have a DAC / ADC you are forced to have some kind of galvanic connection between the digital part and the analog one (as mentioned by TI note) (remember that a DAC is also a digital component that does a pretty good amount of switching inside the case)





Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 02:02 pm
Your observation is correct up to the point that eventually you'll have to connect the BDP to some other box containing a DAC.

- if you have a DAC / ADC you are forced to have some kind of galvanic connection between the digital part and the analog one (as mentioned by TI note) (remember that a DAC is also a digital component that does a pretty good amount of switching inside the case)

Then I am confused as to the focus on galvanic isolation in the other thread (BDP-2 - no sound card). People seem very concerned with USB connections, for example, because galvanic isolation is not achieved and quick to highlight that galvanic isolation is implemented with SPDIF/AES-EBU.

- the largest amount of noise is usually generated by the digital components not by the power supply itself (even if it's of the switching type)

I have asked Paul Hynes as to why he there is so much focus on splitting the rails in the PSU versus focusing, for example, on the clock on the motherboard.  Of course, he is in the business of selling PS rails and this is why I mentioned "marketing spiel" above.

BTW if this is going too off-topic for this thread I would happily receive notes by PM as this is an area I would like to understand much better (including what really are the advantages of linear power supplies in a fully digital device).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 02:24 pm
Then I am confused as to the focus on galvanic isolation in the other thread (BDP-2 - no sound card). People seem very concerned with USB connections, for example, because galvanic isolation is not achieved and quick to highlight that galvanic isolation is implemented with SPDIF/AES-EBU.

I have asked Paul Hynes as to why he there is so much focus on splitting the rails in the PSU versus focusing, for example, on the clock on the motherboard.  Of course, he is in the business of selling PS rails and this is why I mentioned "marketing spiel" above.

BTW if this is going too off-topic for this thread I would happily receive notes by PM as this is an area I would like to understand much better (including what really are the advantages of linear power supplies in a fully digital device).

The designer of an audio component is pretty much in control of the noise inside his box, but cannot control what a PC computer would present on its USB port. The PC designer is only concerned to meet USB specs i.e. make his thing able to digitally talk to another certified USB device. Analog / audio issues are very low on his priorities list.

Isolation between the audio box and the PC is also desirable from a ground loop perspective especially the kind that fries components. Laptops normally have an isolated power supply (or you can run them on batteries just to make sure), but every desktop system I've seen connects chassis to safety (earth) ground either directly or through some capacitors. Taking into account that many audio component manufacturers follow the same practice, this is a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 02:51 pm
Perhaps my mention of USB is a bit of a red-herring.  The BDP is a computer with a better PSU and nice (half of a) sound card. Yet galvanic isolation is a focus for this also for SPDIF and AES/EBU.

So on one level we want complete isolation and on the other we want the digital and analogue on the same ground plane? 

Never the twain shall meet?

In summary, though, it seems like Paul is talking up his sales...?  It will be interesting to hear when and if he responds to my email.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 03:40 pm

So on one level we want complete isolation and on the other we want the digital and analogue on the same ground plane? 


We don't *want* them on the same ground plane. We're forced to have them like that.

As for power supply "upgrades". If the equipment doesn't come from factory with an adequate power supply then it's probably inadequate in some other areas too. I'd skip buying it altogether.

My fav DIY upgrade proposition that I keep seeing in various forums is the direct replacement of a linear standard regulator (say a LM7812) with an LDO "equivalent" "because it has better specs" (and the poster quotes some from the data sheet, usually line regulation, load regulation, output noise voltage and ripple rejection, "demonstrating" thus that the proposed alternative is vastly superior).

What the proponents of such replacements fail to mention is that an LDO can and will oscillate if the decoupling capacitors are mismatched. If you see such propositions, skip them unless you either a) have an oscilloscope and are willing to experiment with various capacitor makes; or b) the proponent is really serious, has already done the experimenting and is quoting the mfg part numbers of the capacitors that will work in that application.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 04:17 pm
Well remember this digression stemmed from my question as to what Bryston had implemented, versus claims from well-recognised suppliers of LPSUs to people building their own versions.  I'm not looking to "upgrade" a Bryston BDP-2!  I'm just trying to understand if this is a design compromise or simply a situation where nothing is gained from it and hence it's completely unnecessary. Thanks for the help.  Very much appreciated.

(In event, it would seem the challenges you highlight would exist for both single-rail PSU to MB and multi-rail PSUs supplying MB, SATA etc)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 11 Feb 2013, 05:19 pm
Well speaking strictly of the BDP and its power rails noise you have to look at:

- how much noise it will inject into the next audio box that's connected to it via a signal cable; if the next box is digital only (say a sound processor) then you can afford quite a lot of noise up to the point where you get errors in the digital transmission or generate malfunctions in the receiving box; if the next box is mixed signal (digital+analog).... then the can of worms is opened;

- "hidden" mixed signal components inside the BDP itself; like a clock based on a Voltage Controlled Oscillator where noise on the rails and especially the control input could create clock jitter;
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 06:09 pm
My next box is a Theta Casablanca III HD, a surround processor and DAC.

On your second point, I have indeed wondered if Bryston have ever evaluated upgrading the clocks on the motherboard.

http://pcaudio.tistory.com/375
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 11 Feb 2013, 06:15 pm

It doesn't have any way I can tell of getting the native DSD signal *out* of the player as far as I can tell...

Nor are there legal ways for you to get much of the desirable content *in* there!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 11 Feb 2013, 11:41 pm
I received my Bryston BDP-2 digital player today :D and I would like to install an SSD drive inside the unit.

I noticed that at the back of the unit, there is a small rear cover with 2 screws (left side, if facing the back of the unit).  Is this where I install the SSD drive or do I need to remove the top cover?

If it's via the top cover, then what is that small rear cover for?

By the way, once I install the SSD drive, how do I format it (if I need to) and what are the procedures for copying music to it?

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2013, 11:47 pm
I received my Bryston BDP-2 digital player today :D and I would like to install an SSD drive inside the unit.

I noticed that at the back of the unit, there is a small rear cover with 2 screws (left side, if facing the back of the unit).  Is this where I install the SSD drive or do I need to remove the top cover?

If it's via the top cover, then what is that small rear cover for?

By the way, once I install the SSD drive, how do I format it (if I need to) and what are the procedures for copying music to it?

You have to remove the top the rear cover is for future updates.

You have to format the drive (fat 32 or NTSF) and transfer your music files to it before you install it in the BDP2

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 11 Feb 2013, 11:57 pm
You have to remove the top the rear cover is for future updates.

You have to format the drive (fat 32 or NTSF) and transfer your music files to it before you install it in the BDP2

James

Great, thanks James!

By the way, it's one beautiful & heavy digital player!   :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Feb 2013, 03:21 am
I'd also like DSD. And sure, the hardware inside this player might be capable of DSD, but I must admit what is the point of Bryston developing the software for DSD on this player?

It doesn't have any way I can tell of getting the native DSD signal *out* of the player as far as I can tell... There are no Analogs out.. (This is not a DAC folks..) Nor is there I2S or Asynch USB out.

So what's the proposed output? Via the spdif port?.. I didn't know Digital coax could actually transmit DSD. Same with the XLR output port...
And even if Brston could get DSD transmission out via these ports, what DAC with these inputs does everyone intend to plug the BDP-2 into to play these DSD files?

Am I missing something here..? Please enlighten me. Cheers.

We can output DSD via the USB ports on the back of the BDP and another one of our more senior engineers, Dan is working on givin the BDA-2 async DSD USB in via a software update for the BDA-2.  Also due to the hype of DSD a protocol has been developed to wrap PCM around DSD so that PCM devices can play DSD files. The thin I don't get it where do you get DSD files from (besides SACD a format that never took off)? 

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SHV on 12 Feb 2013, 03:50 am
"The thin I don't get it where do you get DSD files from (besides SACD a format that never took off)? "
********
One source:
http://www.channelclassics.com/dsd.html

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wappinghigh on 12 Feb 2013, 05:19 am
We can output DSD via the USB ports on the back of the BDP and another one of our more senior engineers, Dan is working on givin the BDA-2 async DSD USB in via a software update for the BDA-2.  Also due to the hype of DSD a protocol has been developed to wrap PCM around DSD so that PCM devices can play DSD files. The thin I don't get it where do you get DSD files from (besides SACD a format that never took off)? 

Cheers,
Chris

Well that's great. Cool. Bring it on.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 12 Feb 2013, 02:11 pm
"The thin I don't get it where do you get DSD files from (besides SACD a format that never took off)? "
********
One source:
http://www.channelclassics.com/dsd.html

Steve

I love this.  So many people think DSD is better.  Hmmm...business plan...let's take a bunch of LPCM tracks, convert them to DSD and sell them to all those thinking DSD is better than LPCM!!  Oops....it's being done already.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 12 Feb 2013, 04:07 pm
I love this.  So many people think DSD is better.  Hmmm...business plan...let's take a bunch of LPCM tracks, convert them to DSD and sell them to all those thinking DSD is better than LPCM!!  Oops....it's being done already.

Why do you say that?
The comapny say they record in DSD...
http://www.channelclassics.com/equipment/
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 12 Feb 2013, 04:13 pm
Another company that records in DSD
Blue Coast Records (http://bluecoastrecords.com/formats/dsd)

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 12 Feb 2013, 05:04 pm
Another company that records in DSD
Blue Coast Records (http://bluecoastrecords.com/formats/dsd)

Steve
Here's a list which is not necessarily complete
http://dsd-guide.com/where-can-you-find-dsd-music-downloads
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 12 Feb 2013, 10:45 pm
Here's a list which is not necessarily complete
http://dsd-guide.com/where-can-you-find-dsd-music-downloads

And check this for a lot of very interesting info: http://diydsd.blogspot.nl

Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 13 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
I've came to the conclusion that DSD (or any other format) is only as good as the recording. The format by itself is not a warrant of the quality of the content.

I've listened to so many atrocious SACDs that it's not even funny. Just listen to Eric Clapton's "Slowhand" on SACD.

With your ears still bleeding, you may eventually admit that DSD/SACD was nothing but a feeble attempt to introduce a new (heavily patented) format, with a heavy dose of copy protection added for good measure. It was designed to fulfill some corporate needs/wishes, not consumer's ones.

People generally can live with multiple formats but not with the ones that prevent them to do whatever they want to do. Only the very stubborn will persevere. Good luck to those, I have better uses for my time than fight with something that was purposefully designed to stay in my way.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2013, 01:24 pm
I've came to the conclusion that DSD (or any other format) is only as good as the recording. The format by itself is not a warrant of the quality of the content.

I've listened to so many atrocious SACDs that it's not even funny. Just listen to Eric Clapton's "Slowhand" on SACD.

With your ears still bleeding, you may eventually admit that DSD/SACD was nothing but a feeble attempt to introduce a new (heavily patented) format, with a heavy dose of copy protection added for good measure. It was designed to fulfill some corporate needs/wishes, not consumer's ones.

People generally can live with multiple formats but not with the ones that prevent them to do whatever they want to do. Only the very stubborn will persevere. Good luck to those, I have better uses for my time than fight with something that was purposefully designed to stay in my way.

I tend to agree Napalm but as a manufacturer it is tough not to respond to the demands of your customer even though you see through some of the hypocrisy it may involve. I guess all we can do is try to educate people as to the realities of some of these issues as we see them and hope than truth wins out in the long run.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 13 Feb 2013, 04:11 pm
[...] it is tough not to respond to the demands of your customer [...]

Agreed but... since your engineers are a limited resource I'd prefer to hear about them working on something that has real chances to improve sound quality than spending their time on a dead end.

To be more specific, you recently posted an article about spectrum vs. phase degradation effects. It provided a fantastic example with a speech fragment from the "Casablanca" movie.

On these lines I believe that it would be more useful to do some research on phase preservation and clock stability/ jitter for the Bryston DAC box. If you can get rid of having to sync to a (dubious) external clock and use instead a high quality internal one, I believe this could have more impact on sound quality than being able to play DSD streams.

And no I'm not in the "rubidium clock" camp, personally I believe that low jitter/stability is more important than the frequency precision. I had my share of turn tables and tape players and I know that having the "pitch" slightly off but stable is very tolerable, while having it even slightly varying (wov and flutter) is not.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2013, 06:11 pm
Agreed but... since your engineers are a limited resource I'd prefer to hear about them working on something that has real chances to improve sound quality than spending their time on a dead end.

To be more specific, you recently posted an article about spectrum vs. phase degradation effects. It provided a fantastic example with a speech fragment from the "Casablanca" movie.

On these lines I believe that it would be more useful to do some research on phase preservation and clock stability/ jitter for the Bryston DAC box. If you can get rid of having to sync to a (dubious) external clock and use instead a high quality internal one, I believe this could have more impact on sound quality than being able to play DSD streams.

And no I'm not in the "rubidium clock" camp, personally I believe that low jitter/stability is more important than the frequency precision. I had my share of turn tables and tape players and I know that having the "pitch" slightly off but stable is very tolerable, while having it even slightly varying (wov and flutter) is not.

The jitter on the BDP-1 and 2 is very low - in the 8 ps range.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 13 Feb 2013, 07:00 pm
The jitter on the BDP-1 and 2 is very low - in the 8 ps range.

james

I don't question the specs, but that is when measured inside the BDP at the oscillator's terminals.

How does it measure at BDA's DAC clock input (assuming the boxes are connected via coax / optical, let's not even mention USB)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2013, 07:23 pm
I don't question the specs, but that is when measured inside the BDP at the oscillator's terminals.

How does it measure at BDA's DAC clock input (assuming the boxes are connected via coax / optical, let's not even mention USB)?

Sorry I should have been more specific - that is the measurement with the BDA DAC in the loop as well.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 13 Feb 2013, 08:05 pm
Sorry I should have been more specific - that is the measurement with the BDA DAC in the loop as well.

james

As long as you measure at the BDP's oscillator terminals it doesn't make any difference if the BDA is connected or not. The BDP has a fixed frequency oscillator and that's all about it.

I'm asking about measuring inside the BDA box. It's supposed to sync to the BDP clock via a PLL circuit that tries to reconstruct the clock from the signals that come via coax / optical. That's the interesting point - i.e. how well is the clock signal recovered after it has traversed the cables.

So my questions still stands and I'll make it more specific: what's the jitter measured at the clock input of the integrated circuit of DAC type that resides inside the BDA box?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 13 Feb 2013, 08:05 pm
So full measurement source through to analog playback? Did you ever consider upgrading the MB clocks?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 13 Feb 2013, 08:31 pm
So full measurement source through to analog playback? Did you ever consider upgrading the MB clocks?

Not really full, that would be quite difficult to measure. Assuming that the MB clock is ok, the measurement I suggested would help evaluate only the effects of what they call here "interface jitter":

http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/jitter1_e.html (http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/jitter1_e.html)

If you want end to end, the folks at Stereophile did it for the BDA-1:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bda-1-da-converter-measurements (http://www.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bda-1-da-converter-measurements)

quote: "[...] the Bryston BDA-1 offered moderate suppression of word-clock jitter [...] The Miller Analyzer calculated there to be 456 picoseconds peak–peak of jitter-related sidebands, primarily at the data-related frequency of 229Hz [...] Switching in the oversampling didn't reduce the level of jitter—an unexpected result [...]  I was puzzled by the noise modulation in the low treble[...]"


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: werd on 15 Feb 2013, 03:54 pm
jitter makes me laugh. :lol: Jitter is the big hoax in the audio world. How they measure jitter accurately  in the pico movement is beyond me. Well actually they don't. Its a big hoax by the builders of these jitter analyzers. There is no way an analyzer can measure in the pico movement without inducing its on jitter on the outcome. its all guess work by the analyzer nicely packaged and sold to the audio community.

iow don't rely on jitter specs by the manufacturers or stereophile...lol.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 15 Feb 2013, 04:39 pm
How they measure jitter accurately  in the pico movement is beyond me.

For starters with something like this:

http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1846742-pn-86100D/infiniium-dca-x-wide-bandwidth-oscilloscope-mainframe (http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1846742-pn-86100D/infiniium-dca-x-wide-bandwidth-oscilloscope-mainframe)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: werd on 15 Feb 2013, 04:52 pm
For starters with something like this:

http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1846742-pn-86100D/infiniium-dca-x-wide-bandwidth-oscilloscope-mainframe (http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1846742-pn-86100D/infiniium-dca-x-wide-bandwidth-oscilloscope-mainframe)

lol, and you think cables are a rip off. buy that and find out how frickn useless it is.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: PLA on 15 Feb 2013, 08:18 pm
Hello everyone. This is my first post. Have owned this player since January, having problems streaming 192/24 Apple Lossless files. FLAC version of same file streams and plays OK. Used MAX utility to convert FLAC to Apple Lossless, does not work. Same file plays OK in iTunes, albeit at lower resolution. Downloading Apple Lossless files from HD tracks directly does not help, they will not play and the Mpad utility does not see them as being present in my iTunes library. Have been in touch with Chris Rice, no solution yet. Am using a 2012 MacMini6,2 with 2.6 gHz iCore 7 processor and OSX 10.8.2, iTunes 11.0.1(12), the 64-bit version. iTunes library is on a DROBO 5n NAS, connected via Ethernet cable to BDP-2. Using BelCanto DAC 3.5, mkII for decoding. Any helpful suggestion or working solution appreciated. On a related note, does anyone know if it possible to import my iTunes Library file structure and album cover jpgs unmolested into Mpad? Cheers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 16 Feb 2013, 01:36 am
lol, and you think cables are a rip off. buy that and find out how frickn useless it is.

Without these tools you wouldn't have Ethernet, USB, digital TV, PCI Express bus, DDR3 sticks etc. Definitely not at today's speeds.

You should also note that it can resolve 1ps while powered through a regular, bog standard power cord, with no power conditioner. One may think that they would be using at least Monster Cables, eh?  :icon_twisted:

And while we're still at it, why don't you read this article (already brought to your attention by James in a different thread):

http://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html (http://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html)

and carefully check the "Casablanca" example.

Then watch the second part of this presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjHKv2_OqQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjHKv2_OqQ)

that deals with jitter. This is coming from the people making DAC chips. If they're utterly wrong then every single digital audio device would be quite wrong too, don't you think so?



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 16 Feb 2013, 05:52 pm
Thanks for the second link.  The use of an ASRC in the DAC would seem to negate the need for concern regarding jitter at the source device.

I found his main presentation just as fascinating, for its insights into just how sophisticated our hearing is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CkyrDIGzOE
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 16 Feb 2013, 09:20 pm
I received my BDP-2 and BDA-2 on Friday.  Very beautiful and heavy units!  :thumb:

Within a few minutes, I was lisening to the sample music files on the included Bryston USB stick.   :D

Q1. What is the default username & password for the BDP-2 built-in Bryston software (via iPad Mini -> Safari) in order to access the Settings?

Q2. What are the procedures for configuring / streaming radio on the BDP-2 (if that's possible)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Feb 2013, 09:27 pm
I received my BDP-2 and BDA-2 on Friday.  Very beautiful and heavy units!  :thumb:

Within a few minutes, I was lisening to the sample music files on the included Bryston USB stick.   :D

Q1. What is the default username & password for the BDP-2 built-in Bryston software (via iPad Mini -> Safari) in order to access the Settings?

Q2. What are the procedures for configuring / streaming radio on the BDP-2 (if that's possible)?

The default user and password are both - bryston.   Case sensitive

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: darrrio on 18 Feb 2013, 12:44 am
We can output DSD via the USB ports on the back of the BDP and another one of our more senior engineers, Dan is working on givin the BDA-2 async DSD USB in via a software update for the BDA-2.  Also due to the hype of DSD a protocol has been developed to wrap PCM around DSD so that PCM devices can play DSD files. The thin I don't get it where do you get DSD files from (besides SACD a format that never took off)? 

Cheers,
Chris


Hi Chris,
I'm new here and I have no experience in posting questions. I hope I'm doing it right.
I'm enjoying the BDP-2 USB output connected to my DAC asynchronous input very much, but I couldn't play my DSD music because the .dff files are not recognized by the player. By now I'm using the BDP-2 for my PCM library, only, and I play DSD files on Audirvana. I really like your player and I hope to move my macbook away from the audio system, soon. In my opinion, nothing sounds as good as DSD files specially on my DAC.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes!
Dario

PS: I'm running S1.65 2013-01-30 firmware on my BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: saveloy on 18 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
James,

Given what you've said about USB, will this be the connection of choice between BDP-2 & BDA-2?

Kyri
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2013, 01:22 pm
James,

Given what you've said about USB, will this be the connection of choice between BDP-2 & BDA-2?

Kyri

No - just another option for our customers - I am really interested in what people think of the difference between the two.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 18 Feb 2013, 07:20 pm
I received my BDP-2 and BDA-2 on Friday.  Very beautiful and heavy units!  :thumb:

Within a few minutes, I was lisening to the sample music files on the included Bryston USB stick.   :D

Q1. What is the default username & password for the BDP-2 built-in Bryston software (via iPad Mini -> Safari) in order to access the Settings?

Q2. What are the procedures for configuring / streaming radio on the BDP-2 (if that's possible)?

Hi,

Just below max 2, settings and mini 2 is a drop down menu.  In this drop down menu are several options, one of which is bRadio.  This web app will allow you to select from a list of radio stations.  Currently there is a display issue with Firefox, google chrome and apple safari are the two re emended browsers at this time.  The Firefox issue has been repaired in an unreleased build and is due later this month with added last.fm support and scribble.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 19 Feb 2013, 08:36 pm
Hi Guys,

I heard from PMC yesterday that I will be getting delivery for both my BDP-2 and BDA-2 tomorrow, I really can't wait :)

I'm really excited about the possibility of fitting an internal SSD drive and then going asynchronously via USB from the BDP-2 to the BDA-2 as in theory this should be the perfect solution with no moving parts involved at all and by-passing the sound card in the BDP-2, well I hope I've got that right :|

Quick question James, will the following SSD drive be ok and do I need to buy any other cables or will the drive plug straight in?

http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT512M4SSD2

If there is anyone around at the weekend I've got a few Bryston guys coming over Saturday for a preview of the BDP-2/BDA-2 before our first Bryston/PMC owners club next month, the more the merrier :)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 19 Feb 2013, 08:47 pm

I'm really excited about the possibility of fitting an internal SSD drive and then going asynchronously via USB from the BDP-2 to the BDA-2 as in theory this should be the perfect solution with no moving parts involved at all and by-passing the sound card in the BDP-2, well I hope I've got that right :|



Not to blow your popsicle but that would be about the most expensive way to use USB I could think of.  You're tossing out a lot of the mojo.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 19 Feb 2013, 08:56 pm
Not to blow your popsicle but that would be about the most expensive way to use USB I could think of.  You're tossing out a lot of the mojo.

I know that it is quite an extravagance but as I'll be demoing it in my shop I want to be able to show all the options, saying that, even if it was for my home system I would still want to explore this possibility as In theory it should offer the most direct path for the signal, the purest route if you like, whether we hear any difference is another matter though.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 19 Feb 2013, 09:04 pm
Hmmm...I have a lot to learn regarding this stuff but I remain unconvinced of this last statement unless it involved and i2S solution and very good motherboard clocks (not the ones in the BDP). I will happily be corrected!  Let's see how the conversation develops here: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=113691.20
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 20 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
I hear what you are saying SGK, but I do like to test this kind thing before making a decision as I have found out many times with HiFi that the theory points to one thing but in practise the results can be very different. I'll let you know what we find out.

Both my BDP-2 and BDA-2 have just arrived so I need to pull myself away from this PC and go and have a play :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 27 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
It's certainly a bit of a shocker but yesterday was the first chance I've had to get my BDP-2 and BDA-2 un-boxed but at least yesterday my solid state drive arrived also, so I've just finished formatting it and am now putting a selection of music onto it then I will install that and all being well this afternoon I'll be able to sit back and enjoy :)

I can never resist taking  a few pictures :roll:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76093)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76094)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76095)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76096)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 28 Feb 2013, 04:58 am
Just ordered my BDP2....can't wait.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 28 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
Vipers, we need to get you a better camera or a tripod   :D  :D

How about some pics with the lid off?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Alpha10 on 28 Feb 2013, 11:44 am
Vipers, we need to get you a better camera or a tripod   :D  :D

How about some pics with the lid off?

Or he can bring them round to my house, I have both a decent camera with tripod and I am more than happy to take the lid off... :D :D

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 1 Mar 2013, 05:00 pm
Vipers, we need to get you a better camera or a tripod   :D  :D

How about some pics with the lid off?

No Sooner said than done, I'm just updating the firmware as I write this, I love how easy it is now, just one click from the settings screen on the Ipad and off it went, superb.

Still haven't listened to it yet though, I was scuppered by not having a torx screwdriver to remove the casework and install the SSD :duh:

All sorted now, I've got a customer here at the moment then I'm going to lock the door and have a play, I promise.

Never one to resist a photo opportunity here are a couple of snaps of the inside of the BDP-2 whilst I was installing the SSD, I like the Bryston branded circuit boards :)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76182)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76183)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76184)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Vipers on 2 Mar 2013, 09:29 am
At long last I got to spend a good couple of hours last night with the BDP-2 and BDA-2, I haven’ compared with the original versions yet, I’ve got someone coming in today who wants to try this so we will report back later.

Basically I compared an attached HDD to the internal SSD with the same rips and also AES vs USB from the BDP-2 into the BDA-2, so with the USB connection you are by-passing the sound card in the BDP-2.

Firstly, as expected, reading from a SSD is definitely superior to reading from a HDD with moving parts, you just get a much tighter, cleaner presentation, it is much the same as reading from a USB thumb Drive in reality but it is just a fantastic option to be able to install a large drive internally and access it over the network, I found that 500GB has easily taken all the music I want to listen to at the moment but in the future a 1TB drive will be perfect.

Then I compared the AES-EBU against USB, firstly both sounded pretty amazing but I was constantly drawn to the USB connection, to me it just sounded a little more focused and refined, on the trailing edge of notes there seemed less overhang with everything gaining a little more space, we are only talking small margins here but on every track I tried USB seemed go give the most pleasing presentation, it actually seemed more noticeable on busier tracks like rock or recordings that were not the best. I guess this would make sense really as via USB the data is being transferred directly to DAC with nothing else getting in the way.

Either way though, the combination of the BDP-2/BDA-2 is a pretty stunning combination :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 2 Mar 2013, 10:28 am
I guess the next question would be trying different USB cables between the BDP and BDA
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 2 Mar 2013, 05:55 pm
I guess the next question would be trying different USB cables between the BDP and BDA

Will not make a bit of difference between two digital devices
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: terrycym on 2 Mar 2013, 06:14 pm
Some people say the same thing about manins cables not making a difference but, at least as far as I'm concerned, they do.
I'ce compared a Nordost and freebie USB cable as something was happening there.
No harm in trying a comparison, yes?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 2 Mar 2013, 06:45 pm
Quote
Will not make a bit of difference between two digital devices

Except that many are altering the part of the USB cable that carries power so as to improve galvanic isolation.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 2 Mar 2013, 08:42 pm
No harm in trying a comparison, yes?

Sure.

However the key is here: "between two digital devices".

Think "transferring files to external hard drive". If you get different results with two different cables, then one or both of them are defective or of the wrong type.



 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 4 Mar 2013, 12:18 am
I love this.  So many people think DSD is better.  Hmmm...business plan...let's take a bunch of LPCM tracks, convert them to DSD and sell them to all those thinking DSD is better than LPCM!!  Oops....it's being done already.

 :wink: Check this:

http://old.hfm-detmold.de/eti/projekte/diplomarbeiten/dsdvspcm/aes_paper_6086.pdf (http://old.hfm-detmold.de/eti/projekte/diplomarbeiten/dsdvspcm/aes_paper_6086.pdf)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Anonamemouse on 4 Mar 2013, 09:39 am
:wink: Check this:

http://old.hfm-detmold.de/eti/projekte/diplomarbeiten/dsdvspcm/aes_paper_6086.pdf (http://old.hfm-detmold.de/eti/projekte/diplomarbeiten/dsdvspcm/aes_paper_6086.pdf)

Interesting, but (to me) not too surprising.
Soundquality is in the recording. The bits after that don't really have much influence.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: yartle on 4 Mar 2013, 09:58 am
I have it on good authority that my BDP-2 will be here tomorrow  :singing: can I ask 2 basic questions:

1, what is the best way to connect it to my SP3

and

2, can it sit on my SP3?

Many thanks and thoughts on it will follow in time!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 4 Mar 2013, 10:06 am
2, can it sit on my SP3?

Many thanks and thoughts on it will follow in time!

You absolutely have to sit it on some of these.  Fantastic little things.

http://wavekinetics.com/a10-u8.html

 :green:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 4 Mar 2013, 10:07 am

Soundquality is in the recording. The bits after that don't really have much influence.

Disagree with the second statement.  If the capture is destroyed by "the bits after that" then it is destroyed.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 4 Mar 2013, 12:16 pm
If the capture is destroyed by "the bits after that" then it is destroyed.

The capture is generally "destroyed" by:

a) the lack of sufficient "bits"
b) the use of inadequate methods to reconstruct it from "the bits"

Once you get more than enough bits, any supplemental "bits after that" won't make a noticeable difference. When increasing the number of bits, different methods of digital encoding/reconstruction will just converge to similar end results.

What I find interesting is that people use the term "lossless" or "uncompressed" audio when referring to raw LPCM / DSD digital audio. It sure as hell is "lossy" as some information from the original analog signal has been discarded / altered. It's a just a different kind of "loss" than with an MP3 file.



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SGK on 4 Mar 2013, 12:24 pm
different use of the term "bits"
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Napalm on 4 Mar 2013, 12:28 pm
different use of the term "bits"

then let's dither them  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SHV on 4 Mar 2013, 06:06 pm
I have it on good authority that my BDP-2 will be here tomorrow  :singing: can I ask 2 basic questions:

1, what is the best way to connect it to my SP3

and

2, can it sit on my SP3?

Many thanks and thoughts on it will follow in time!

I'm in the "bits are bits" camp so I don't think it makes any difference; I avoid optical because it is the least mechanically secure and my cats tend to loosen connections.

IIRC, I think that James has commented in the past that it's OK to place on top of SP3.   Personally I avoid putting anything on top of my SP3 because it runs hot and why obstruct airflow or subject another component to excess heat.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 8 Mar 2013, 12:30 am
I am so sorry if this question has already been asked but I have not been able to find it in this long thread.

I want to be able to plug my external 2 TB Hardrive into the BP2 and acess my apple lossless tunes via a Tablet.
Will the BP2 be able to do this?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Mar 2013, 01:49 am
I am so sorry if this question has already been asked but I have not been able to find it in this long thread.

I want to be able to plug my external 2 TB Hardrive into the BP2 and acess my apple lossless tunes via a Tablet.
Will the BP2 be able to do this?

Yes and I would recommend the IPAD.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Mar 2013, 04:06 am
I am so sorry if this question has already been asked but I have not been able to find it in this long thread.

I want to be able to plug my external 2 TB Hardrive into the BP2 and acess my apple lossless tunes via a Tablet.
Will the BP2 be able to do this?

Hi Ozzy,

Yes you will be able to playback the files on the BDP-2 from the drive.  When you say access them from your tablet, do you just want to control the playback or also play the files on your tablet?  Also what tablet are you using? (iPad, acer iconia?)

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 8 Mar 2013, 04:01 pm
Thank you for the information.
I would just like to be able to control the playlist with my Samsung Galaxay 10" Tablet without having to turn on my Laptop.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 8 Mar 2013, 04:18 pm
I meant to say that all of my music is stored just on my external Hardrive. The Samsung Galaxy would be used as a remote control to access those songs.
BPD2 still ok for this function?
If so, can several external hardrives be plugged into the BP2 and be chosen via the Galaxy Tablet?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Mar 2013, 04:20 pm
I meant to say that all of my music is stored just on my external Hardrive. The Samsung Galaxy would be used as a remote control to access those songs.
BPD2 still ok for this function?
If so, can several external hardrives be plugged into the BP2 and be chosen via the Galaxy Tablet?

Hi Ozzy

The laptop does not have to be turned on and the Tablet comunicates wirelessly (through a router) with the BDP-2.  There are facillities for 6 USB drive inputs (4 on the back - 2 on the front) and1 internal drive available on the BDP-2.

james

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=76617)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Joker on 10 Mar 2013, 06:36 pm
Am a happy owner of a BDP-1 and BDA-1 since a year. I am aware of the technical differences & capabilities between these and the "2s" meanwhile available for both of them. Does anybody have any views / reports on sonic differences between the "1s" and the "2s"? Thanks so much!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: rompolompo on 10 Mar 2013, 07:05 pm
I meant to say that all of my music is stored just on my external Hardrive. The Samsung Galaxy would be used as a remote control to access those songs.
BPD2 still ok for this function?
If so, can several external hardrives be plugged into the BP2 and be chosen via the Galaxy Tablet?

This is what you need:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.namelessdev.mpdroid&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5uYW1lbGVzc2Rldi5tcGRyb2lkIl0.

Good luck!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 10 Mar 2013, 08:17 pm
rompolompo, James Tanner,unincognito,
Thank you for your help. Looks like the Squeezebox Touch is going to be replaced.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 20 Mar 2013, 10:38 pm
It's James' fault!  :icon_twisted:

No, it's Chris' fault!  :nono:

And it's all your fault, too. So there.

I've been considering an SP3, which should play nicely with my 6B-SST(C) and my two 4B-SST(C) amps. Bryston's James and Stan were very helpful in answering my queries, making my decision an easy one.

Then I looked at the AudioCircle threads on the BDP-2 and the BDA-2 . . .

The astute and helpful forum posts from the gents above and from AudioCircle members got me thinking . . . always dangerous. So a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2: 17" black panels, blue displays.

Just remember, it's your fault that I'll have lots of questions for you, so . . .

Stop the madness! Be less helpful.


Cheerio, and thanks again,

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blueshirt1 on 22 Mar 2013, 04:26 pm
Hey all,

My BDP2 should be arriving soon, not soon enough though ;)

I have 3tb WEd MyBook NAS that I am ripping all of my CD's to FLAC on.

My question is what do I gain by using the internal SSD? Is there a sound quality difference? Can the BDP read from both libraries?

I was thinking of putting my HighRez on the SSD if that gains me anything.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Mar 2013, 04:59 pm
The benefit of an SSD is lack of audible noise, as your using a NAS you can place it outside of your listening room.  This in effect creates the same benefit as the SSD for less money per GB of storage.  (Unless your NAS is powered by SSD's).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 23 Mar 2013, 11:06 pm
Gents, network-based audio is new to me, so I'd appreciate your advice on connecting our BDP-2 to our Apple gigabit network, which uses an 2010 Airport Extreme and a new Airport Express to extend range. We have the gear listed below my signature, all housed in a built-in wooden equipment cabinet.

Could I add another Airport Express dedicated to the home theatre system and placed in our equipment cabinet? It would be located in a cubby in the cabinet, away from the electronics but on the same dedicated 20-amp circuit.

Since four devices (SP3, BDP-2, Oppo BDP-105, and APC S20) have a network port, could I connect them to a network hub or switch and then to the single LAN ethernet port on the Airport Express for wifi connection to our network? If so, would this need to be a gigabit hub/switch?

I appreciate your help. Networking is a mystery to me.

Thanks very much,

Rich
________________________________
Whiney Napa Valley
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"



The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Brickwall Audio Surge Protectors | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 24 Mar 2013, 12:27 am
You can connect a hub or switch to the LAN port on the Airport Express, however because the Airport Express LAN port is only 100Mb, a Gigabit hub or switch will not give you any increased speed going through that 100Mb LAN port.

Switches are generally preferred as they can switch packets to the proper port as opposed to hubs which broadcast packets across all ports increasing traffic and collisions.

If you only had 3 wired network devices to be WiFi enabled, you could add another Airport Extreme configured in Bridge mode with its Gigabit LAN ports, but unfortunately it only has 3 LAN ports (instead of 4 LAN ports like the majority of wireless routers or access points) and you would be short one port.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mrhyfy on 24 Mar 2013, 12:46 am
It's James' fault!  :icon_twisted:

No, it's Chris' fault!  :nono:

And it's all your fault, too. So there.

I've been considering an SP3, which should play nicely with my 6B-SST(C) and my two 4B-SST(C) amps. Bryston's James and Stan were very helpful in answering my queries, making my decision an easy one.

Then I looked at the AudioCircle threads on the BDP-2 and the BDA-2 . . .

The astute and helpful forum posts from the gents above and from AudioCircle members got me thinking . . . always dangerous. So a couple of weeks ago, I ordered the SP3, BDP-2, and BDA-2: 17" black panels, blue displays.

Just remember, it's your fault that I'll have lots of questions for you, so . . .

Stop the madness! Be less helpful.


Cheerio, and thanks again,

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley





why a bda-2 AND an SP3???  2 separate systems??  I can't understand putting a BDA-2 in front of an SP3!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 24 Mar 2013, 04:23 am
hi, mrhyfy!

...the SP3 and the BDA-2 have different dacs. furthermore the BDA-2 has one dac per channel which in turn could lead to "better sound" i guess ?!?!

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mrhyfy on 24 Mar 2013, 11:46 am
I suspected that the BDA-2 should sound slightly better than the SP3.  Seems like a lot of dough for the (marginal?) improvement as I expect the SP3 to be no slouch in sonic performance...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Joker on 24 Mar 2013, 02:41 pm
Selling my BDA-1 and BDP-1 combo. Anybody interested? Drop me a seperate email.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 24 Mar 2013, 09:37 pm
Your queries are apt, mrhyfy and alexone. I purchased the BDA-2 for flexibility.

Right now, I have a combined music/theatre system, using the components in my signature below. I miss my two-channel system and may rebuild one. I had Apogee Duetta Signatures, supplemented by a hefty Velodyne sub and driven by McIntosh gear. The sound was very three-dimensional and engaging; as one example, on Ludus Danielis (The Play of Daniel; Hungaroton HCD 12457-2), one could hear the Schola Hungarica choir advancing from deep into the soundstage behind the panel speakers. Yet, the Mac MC2002 power amp (rated at 200/300wpc, 8/4 ohms) peaked often and ran out of gas driving the low-impedance Apogees. No such problem with my 4B-SST(C).

I'll likely use the BDP-2 and BDA-2 in this system and will definitely use Bryston for the front end. The new Bryston speakers are very interesting, especially with the built-in amplification and electronic crossovers, and I hope to give them a listen.

FYI, there should be a new D/A module for the SP3 in the coming months; discussion begins at post #763 on the SP3.0 thread.

Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Oswego0522 on 13 Apr 2013, 12:29 am
I recently learned what DAC means, so apologies for not being the brightest bulb in this forum.

I am scheduled to receive a BDP-2 and a BDA-2 next week. I believe that I have 2 options to connect the BDP to the internet:
1) Install an Ethernet outlet in the stereo room, which currently does not have one...not an option the wife likes
2) Use Powerline network adapters

I intend to connect a HD either to one of the BDP's USB ports or internally. Therefore, I believe that I will only be using the internet connection to control music selection, update the firmware, and to add music to the HD--no streaming from a NAS drive.

If I go the Powerline route, will I undermine the performance of my BDP player?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: m00nhawk on 13 Apr 2013, 02:15 pm
I don't think so, as long as you aren't sending data, the power line is probably a fine choice.


Especially considering the WAF...   
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 13 Apr 2013, 03:12 pm
Oswego0522, would a wifi network be feasible for you?

The others on this forum will doubtless know more about this technology than I, but we use an Apple Airport Extreme router ($179US) and extend the range with an Airport Express ($99US), so my wife can use her iPad throughout the house. Since you're not streaming, this should provide enough bandwidth. While ours is a Mac system, these devices will also work with PCs. (I'm also running Cat 6 cable in-wall from our router to our audio system, as it seems most audio/video gear uses networks these days and a gigabit network should provide enough speed for our needs.)

I would, however, use a wired network for firmware updates, as you don't want a hiccup. If it's feasible, perhaps for such updates, you could use a long ethernet cable for the few minutes needed to update, or simply remove your BDP2 from the system for a short while and move it to a location nearby your main network connections.

You should very much enjoy the BDP2 and BDA2. We received ours, and an SP3, this week, and the sound is superb.

Rich
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Oswego0522 on 15 Apr 2013, 04:45 pm
Thank you for both responses. I think that I will play it safe and have an Ethernet outlet installed behind where the BDP-2 will be placed.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 16 Apr 2013, 02:21 am
Sounds like a smart move, Oswego:

You may still wish to consider a wireless network in addition, since you can control your BDP2 from an iPad or laptop. You've likely seen the interesting discussions on this in several of the Bryston circle threads.

FWIW, for your wired ethernet, I'd recommend doing a gigabit network to give you lots of capacity (Macs have built-in gigabit networking; I'm not sure about PCs, but doubtless forum participants more geeky than I will know). We just ordered a couple of Cisco switches (about $55 each), one for our equipment cabinet and one for nearby our router, and numerous Cat 6 cables (about $100). This sort of capacity should let you stream video (such as concerts as well as movies) smoothly, and it's a small cost increment from 10/100 network gear. If you want to PM me, I'll be happy to let you know the gear and vendors we used.

Congrats on your discerning judgment in selecting Bryston gear. All the best people are doing so.  :D

Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 17 Apr 2013, 05:34 pm
I'm interested in this music server.  I currently have the Wyred4sound server, just wondering if the Bryston BDP-2 would be worth it or if it is a step up in sound quality.  I will have the BDA-2 DAC to pair with it.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 18 Apr 2013, 12:25 am
Halloo, Afterimage:

I have the BDP2 and BDA2, as do several forum participants. I doubt that any of us would do less than rave about the truth and clarity of the sound. I've not heard the Wyred4Sound server and cannot comment on it vis-a-vis the BDP2.

You certainly won't go wrong with the BDP2, but it appears to be a very different unit from the Wyred4Sound, in that it doesn't rip CDs. You might check out the thread on the in-development BOT1 optical disc transport, as it looks like you'd need this unit to gain the functionality of your present unit.

A number of folks in the Bryston Circle have the BDP1 and people have noted that the BDP2 sounds more laid back in their view. I'd recommend reviewing their comments in light of your listening preferences. The BDP2 has the advantage of more power, as noted in several AC threads. Should you have a dealer that would let you A/B the units, either via a loaner BDP or by letting you bring in your W4S unit, that would certainly answer your questions. Perhaps a member of the forum might live nearby and be interested in helping with your query.

Cheerio,

Rich
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 18 Apr 2013, 01:23 am
thanks for the reply.  Ripping disk shouldn't be an issue.  I can always load them into my external hard drive via my Macbook.  I pulled the trigger, I I may have an interesting side by side comparison in a few days. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 18 Apr 2013, 02:09 am
Congratulations, Afterimage!   :thumb:

If you haven't seen them yet, check out the thread discussions and videos on installing a drive in the BDP2. Vipers from the UK put in a Samsung SSD and I've done so as well. You can access the drive through your network.

Many of us will look forward to your comparison. I hope the BDP2 and BDA2 will thrill you with their performance.

Best fishes,

Rich
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Apr 2013, 03:53 pm
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bda-2-digital-to-analog-converter/

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 18 Apr 2013, 06:35 pm
Deja congratulations, James and Brystonites:

I received my copy of The Absolute Sound last week and enjoyed reading the rave review, as well as the Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity review.

When convenient, might you make your spiffy Brystonized PDFs of these reviews available to us?

Congratulations on this well-deserved recognition of yet another example of Bryston's excellence in design and performance.

Be hi-def,

Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 20 Apr 2013, 02:06 pm
My BDP-2 should be here today.  I also have the BDA-2 coming in about 10 days.  Anyway, I will be connecting an external  hard drive to the BDP-2, does the cable between the two make any difference?  I just have the stock connection cable that came with the external hard drive.  I didn't know if there were after market "audiophile" cables for such a thing.  The rest of my system is a Burmester 082 Integrated amp and Elac FS 249 Black Edition Speakers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 23 Apr 2013, 12:03 am
Okay, so I plugged my external hard drive into the one of the back ports, started up Mpod.   However, not everything in my external hard drive shows up on the MPod menu.   Anyone know what that would be?  To make sure everything was still on the external hard drive, I connected it to my Macbook, and all the albums/artists shows up just fine on the Itunes menu.  So why not with the BDP-2.  What is up with that?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: haxter1 on 23 Apr 2013, 12:35 am
I have had this happen with the BDP-1.  Just disconnect the hard drive, reconnect it and let it run again.

Haxter
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Apr 2013, 01:37 am
Okay, so I plugged my external hard drive into the one of the back ports, started up Mpod.   However, not everything in my external hard drive shows up on the MPod menu.   Anyone know what that would be?  To make sure everything was still on the external hard drive, I connected it to my Macbook, and all the albums/artists shows up just fine on the Itunes menu.  So why not with the BDP-2.  What is up with that?

Make sure you update the drive

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 23 Apr 2013, 02:14 pm
I turned off the BDP-2 and the external hard drive.  Disconnected the external drive, plugged back in and turned it back on.  Still missing some artist/albums.

James, this may seem like a really dumb question, but what do you mean by "update the drive"?   Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Apr 2013, 04:45 pm
I turned off the BDP-2 and the external hard drive.  Disconnected the external drive, plugged back in and turned it back on.  Still missing some artist/albums.

James, this may seem like a really dumb question, but what do you mean by "update the drive"?   Thanks.

Hi

In the interface you are using - iPad - Computer etc. the Bryston home page allows you to UPDATE the content on the attached drive.  The Content is also remembered when you turn off the BDP- so leave the drive attached and on when you turn off the BDP.

You can also call Chris Rice at Bryston for help - 1-800-632-8217

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 23 Apr 2013, 06:36 pm
thanks James, I will try that when I get home.  As of right now, I don't really like the Bryston Interface, kept having problems loading the page among other things.  I really like MPad, so that is what I am using for now. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrysTony on 23 Apr 2013, 06:48 pm
thanks James, I will try that when I get home.  As of right now, I don't really like the Bryston Interface, kept having problems loading the page among other things.  I really like MPad, so that is what I am using for now.

Have you updated the MPad local cache?  It must be done each time songs are added to the BDP; otherwise, MPad will not "see" the added songs.  Go into MPad settings (the gear symbol at the top and select "Refresh local cache" in the drop down menu.  That should solve your problem.

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 23 Apr 2013, 07:41 pm
Yes, the first thing I tried was reshesing the local cache.  If I can't get all of my artist/songs to show up again, I may just do a test and reload some of those disk to the external hard drive, plug it back in to see if things show up.  Thanks for the input so far guys.  Greatly appreciated. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Apr 2013, 07:52 pm
Yes, the first thing I tried was reshesing the local cache.  If I can't get all of my artist/songs to show up again, I may just do a test and reload some of those disk to the external hard drive, plug it back in to see if things show up.  Thanks for the input so far guys.  Greatly appreciated.

Also try reloading MPAD totally by deleting it and reloading ( hit the indent button twice then hold your finger on MPAD at the bottom till the X appears - then delete it - then go back to home screen and hit MPAD on the home screen which reloads it) .

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: skunark on 23 Apr 2013, 08:38 pm
Okay, so I plugged my external hard drive into the one of the back ports, started up Mpod.   However, not everything in my external hard drive shows up on the MPod menu.   Anyone know what that would be?  To make sure everything was still on the external hard drive, I connected it to my Macbook, and all the albums/artists shows up just fine on the Itunes menu.  So why not with the BDP-2.  What is up with that?

What are the file types?  Size of library?  And with mpad can you browse through the file system and see the songs and they just don't show up under the artist?   

Some random issues i've noticed:
* As for file types, latest version of iTunes (11.x) has a bug with the ID3 tags for at least AIFF files, where MPD might skip a few songs in an album.
* There's no standard or consistent way to tag WAV files, so they might not appear under the album and artists, just really depends on how the directories are listed.
* For a large collection, MPD will stop importing my library after about 3000 songs, again my library is mostly AIFF and a few FLAC.  There's a bug in there somewhere, but without an error message it's hard to figure out what it is.      The easy solution, perform several updates about 5 minutes apart refreshing the mpad/mpod cache until the time to update is consistent. 
* mPod and mPad has a setting to group albums by directory or by album title, this has a significant impact to the number of artists and albums that appear,  you might play around with this and update the ID3 tags in iTunes to your preference.     

Also compare the size between the BDP and itunes Music folders if they are drastically difference then you have your answer.   If they are identical, then compare that to what iTunes itself is reporting, perhaps you need to consolidate your music before you copy them over.   If you have a file synchronization issue then you might read this: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=102438.msg1038459#msg1038459 .

Jim
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 23 Apr 2013, 08:51 pm
I have yet to download the lasterst version of Itunes, but my files are AIFF.  I have about 4900 songs, so quite a bit more then the 3000.  The thing is, my entire libray does not show up on Bryston's or MPods either and it is the same material that is missing with each one.   (I'm using MPad).   
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: skunark on 23 Apr 2013, 09:34 pm
I have yet to download the lasterst version of Itunes, but my files are AIFF.  I have about 4900 songs, so quite a bit more then the 3000.  The thing is, my entire libray does not show up on Bryston's or MPods either and it is the same material that is missing with each one.   (I'm using MPad).

So with 4900 songs you probably need to request the BDP to update the database at least twice, assuming you have the same issue I do. (I have 16000+ aiff files so i do about six updates).   But before you do that, make sure you have 4900 songs on the BDP drive and that it also matches what iTunes reports.     You can compare the folder file size or number of files reported in windows explorer or the finder.

BTW: MPAD and the BDP MAX2/mini will report the same same information since they are based on the "mpd" database that the "update" process builds.   Most likely the issue will be that the files actually don't exist on the HDD attached to the BDP or that MPD failed to read the tag from the file. 

You might also describe how you have ripped and copied the files to the BDP.      In the case that files don't appear on the HDD,  keep in mind that  iTunes doesn't requires you to keep all your files in the same area or even on the same hard disk drive and that pointing to a different directory doesn't move existing files to that location.  iTunes does have options to consolidate the music files, which should be considered in this case.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 24 Apr 2013, 01:31 am
Also try reloading MPAD totally by deleting it and reloading ( hit the indent button twice then hold your finger on MPAD at the bottom till the X appears - then delete it - then go back to home screen and hit MPAD on the home screen which reloads it) .

james

If you delete it, then why would it still be available on the home screen to reload it?  Wouldn't it gone, in which case I would have to go to the app store and get the app. again?

Edit.  Okay, I tried this, didn't work.  Missing artist and albums are still not showing up in the library.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Apr 2013, 01:41 am
If you delete it, then why would it still be available on the home screen to reload it?  Wouldn't it gone, in which case I would have to go to the app store and get the app. again?

Yes, but apple shouldn't charge you for installing it again.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 24 Apr 2013, 02:41 am
So with 4900 songs you probably need to request the BDP to update the database at least twice, assuming you have the same issue I do. (I have 16000+ aiff files so i do about six updates).   But before you do that, make sure you have 4900 songs on the BDP drive and that it also matches what iTunes reports.     You can compare the folder file size or number of files reported in windows explorer or the finder.

BTW: MPAD and the BDP MAX2/mini will report the same same information since they are based on the "mpd" database that the "update" process builds.   Most likely the issue will be that the files actually don't exist on the HDD attached to the BDP or that MPD failed to read the tag from the file. 

You might also describe how you have ripped and copied the files to the BDP.      In the case that files don't appear on the HDD,  keep in mind that  iTunes doesn't requires you to keep all your files in the same area or even on the same hard disk drive and that pointing to a different directory doesn't move existing files to that location.  iTunes does have options to consolidate the music files, which should be considered in this case.

Well, I plugged the External Hard drive into the Mac.  I clicked on the hard drive library, not Itunes, just the hard drive.  sure enough, everything was there.  I even loaded a new disk into the external hard drive via the Mac Book.  So I plugged back into the BDP-2, updated, refreshed local cache.  Still missing the same artist/albums including the new on from both MPad and the Bryson library.  The songs ARE on the hard drive, so why can't I see or access them?

Okay, I am getting VERY FRUSTRATED!!!!  When I spend 3 grand on a server, I expect something user friendly that works.  I have better things to do then spend hours trying to figure out how to get my music on this thing.   Pathetic.  Sorry for taking up thread space guys.  I will call Bryson tomorrow, maybe they can help me.  ARRGGH!!!!! 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Robert D on 24 Apr 2013, 12:02 pm
Well, I plugged the External Hard drive into the Mac.  I clicked on the hard drive library, not Itunes, just the hard drive.  sure enough, everything was there.  I even loaded a new disk into the external hard drive via the Mac Book.  So I plugged back into the BDP-2, updated, refreshed local cache.  Still missing the same artist/albums including the new on from both MPad and the Bryson library.  The songs ARE on the hard drive, so why can't I see or access them?

Okay, I am getting VERY FRUSTRATED!!!!  When I spend 3 grand on a server, I expect something user friendly that works.  I have better things to do then spend hours trying to figure out how to get my music on this thing.   Pathetic.  Sorry for taking up thread space guys.  I will call Bryson tomorrow, maybe they can help me.  ARRGGH!!!!!

Call Chris Rice at Bryston he will resolve all of your problems

Regards Robert
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2013, 04:51 pm
New Review:

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/hardware/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player-review.html

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 25 Apr 2013, 06:26 pm
Congratulations, James, on yet another fine review. I've never heard better sound through my system than with the BDP-2 and BDA-2. This dynamic duo is revelatory.

Might we get Brystonized pdf copies of these reviews when convenient?

Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 26 Apr 2013, 04:36 pm
Call Chris Rice at Bryston he will resolve all of your problems

Regards Robert

I called Bryston.  They were EXTREEMlY helpful and I think I got the problem resolved.   Thanks for everyone's input.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 26 Apr 2013, 08:36 pm
The Bryston techies are the best, eh? Every one of my queries has been met with expertise and generosity.

What was the resolution to your problem, Afterimage?

Rich
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: skunark on 26 Apr 2013, 08:48 pm
I called Bryston.  They were EXTREEMlY helpful and I think I got the problem resolved.   Thanks for everyone's input.

What was the issue?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 7 May 2013, 01:56 pm
Is there a list of SSD's that were tested with the BDP-2 for compatibility? Or does anyone have any input? I was debating between a Samsung Pro 840, Corsair M4, and an OCZ Vector.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 7 May 2013, 03:28 pm
Is there a list of SSD's that were tested with the BDP-2 for compatibility? Or does anyone have any input? I was debating between a Samsung Pro 840, Corsair M4, and an OCZ Vector.
I just bought a Samsung 840 Pro for my Mac Pro.  I got the last one from New Egg before they sold out.  These are hot items.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2013, 03:41 pm
Is there a list of SSD's that were tested with the BDP-2 for compatibility? Or does anyone have any input? I was debating between a Samsung Pro 840, Corsair M4, and an OCZ Vector.

I use the OCZ

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 8 May 2013, 04:01 pm
Thanks. Another quick question: I watched a Bryston video showing that an internally mounted SSD can be formatted via the web interface for the BDP-2. The video showed either EXT for FAT32 for formatting. I thought I read though that the two formatting options were FAT32 or NTFS? I'm very familiar with PC's. Usually, we wouldn't use FAT32 (older file system for smaller capacity drives). I've never used EXT (Linux, right?)

Sorry for all that. Question I wanted to ask was: if the firmware just uses FAT32 or EXT, should I pick one of those instead of NTFS?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 8 May 2013, 04:47 pm
Thanks. Another quick question: I watched a Bryston video showing that an internally mounted SSD can be formatted via the web interface for the BDP-2. The video showed either EXT for FAT32 for formatting. I thought I read though that the two formatting options were FAT32 or NTFS? I'm very familiar with PC's. Usually, we wouldn't use FAT32 (older file system for smaller capacity drives). I've never used EXT (Linux, right?)

Sorry for all that. Question I wanted to ask was: if the firmware just uses FAT32 or EXT, should I pick one of those instead of NTFS?
I believe that if you want to have compatibility with a Mac, you should use FAT32.  Otherwise I'd use NTFS.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 May 2013, 01:20 am
Thanks. Another quick question: I watched a Bryston video showing that an internally mounted SSD can be formatted via the web interface for the BDP-2. The video showed either EXT for FAT32 for formatting. I thought I read though that the two formatting options were FAT32 or NTFS? I'm very familiar with PC's. Usually, we wouldn't use FAT32 (older file system for smaller capacity drives). I've never used EXT (Linux, right?)

Sorry for all that. Question I wanted to ask was: if the firmware just uses FAT32 or EXT, should I pick one of those instead of NTFS?

Ext is the native Linux file system and is not natively supported by windows or Mac.  The BDP supports HFS+, fat32, NTFS and EXT.  The utility built into the BDP that allows you to format a drive gives you the choice of fat32 or ext as those are the optimal options for a drive that will have files copied to it while attached to the BDP over the network.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 9 May 2013, 09:22 pm
Samsung 840 500G SSD, using NTFS
No glitches. The SSD is powered easily by either of the 2 lower rear USB outputs of the BDP-2

My SSD sits securely in an Anker SSD enclosure. Well-built.

http://www.amazon.com/Anker%C2%AE-2-5-Inch-External-Enclosure-Support/dp/B005B5G4S6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1368134260&sr=8-4&keywords=ssd+enclosure
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 May 2013, 04:28 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-2 DAC - Customer Feedback


Hi James;

Wow, I mean WOW, what a DAC!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=80258)

For the last 3 ½ years I’ve been very happy with the BDA-1, but now that I’ve heard the BDA-2, for me there’s no going back. When I set out to listen to the BDA-2, I thought I’d have to do a lot of switching back and forth to discern the differences, but it was obvious as soon as music started to play. Depth, texture, cymbal decay, 3D soundstaging, they’re all there in spades with the BDA-2. All the detail, PRAT, and sense of live musical performance is still there as it is with the BDA-1, but now there’s more space around each instrument so that the aforementioned “texture” comes through.

Also, subtle dynamic shadings are easier to appreciate with the BDA-2 over the BDA-1, so that the music has more varied emotional impact. If I had to sum it up, I’d say it’s an incredibly natural sounding dac, as “real” as any tube/analog rig I’ve ever heard. I think the BDA-2 and Magnepan ribbon tweeters are a match made in heaven. As much as I love my maggies (3.6), I’ll admit they do start to compress at higher volumes.

Someday I hope to hear the Model T’s.

Thanks so much.....very happy customer.

Regards,
Daniel Lee
Title: RS232 codes
Post by: Grit on 13 May 2013, 10:33 am
Can someone point me to the RS232 codes for the BDP-2?

I know it's almost antiquated, but on occasion it's nice to have the ability to FF, REW, skip, etc. from the remote...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shogo33 on 22 May 2013, 01:52 am
Hi,
I read somewhere on this forum that the BDP-2 has asynchronous USB2 output enabled? Is this correct? 
thanks
Joe
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 24 May 2013, 09:34 am
On/off standby?

I had left my BDP-2 on for the week. Earlier today, I tried to access it via browser, and it didn't respond. I checked the unit and the blue power LED was on, but the screen was blank. I pressed the power button but nothing happened. I ultimately unplugged the unit, waited 30 seconds, and plugged it back in. The BDP-2 powered up just fine.

Anyone have input on leaving the BDP-2 "on" or powering it "off" or leaving it "on" but letting it go to screen blank (which I assume is a "sleep" state)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 24 May 2013, 09:56 am
Hi,
I read somewhere on this forum that the BDP-2 has asynchronous USB2 output enabled? Is this correct? 
thanks
Joe

Hi Joe

Yes correct the USB is async and capable of 192/24.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 24 May 2013, 11:14 am
On/off standby?

I had left my BDP-2 on for the week. Earlier today, I tried to access it via browser, and it didn't respond. I checked the unit and the blue power LED was on, but the screen was blank. I pressed the power button but nothing happened. I ultimately unplugged the unit, waited 30 seconds, and plugged it back in. The BDP-2 powered up just fine.

Anyone have input on leaving the BDP-2 "on" or powering it "off" or leaving it "on" but letting it go to screen blank (which I assume is a "sleep" state)?

Yes, that has happened to me a couple of times.  I tried to hit the power button, but it wouldn't even turn off.  So I just did what you did, unplug the unit and then turn it back on. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 24 May 2013, 02:37 pm
Hi Joe

Yes correct the USB is async and capable of 192/24.

James
I'm confused. I thought all six USB ports were Input ports.

Bud
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 24 May 2013, 02:42 pm
I'm confused. I thought all six USB ports were Input ports.

Bud

Hi

USB is a 2-way system so can be used in either direction with the appropriate software.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 24 May 2013, 03:07 pm
Hi

USB is a 2-way system so can be used in either direction with the appropriate software.

james
Thanks James, I should know that. 

Bud
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 24 May 2013, 04:42 pm
Can the BPD-2 be operated via RS-232? And if so, does anyone know where to get the codes?

And if not, how about the IR codes?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 24 May 2013, 04:47 pm
I can't read. :(

On the BDP settings page, is clearly states (in red no less), "*These settings (above) should not be changed unless otherwse advised to do so."

I tinkered with it before I read that. Can anyone tell me what the MPD version should be set at by default?

Thanks!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 24 May 2013, 04:51 pm
I can't read. :(

On the BDP settings page, is clearly states (in red no less), "*These settings (above) should not be changed unless otherwse advised to do so."

I tinkered with it before I read that. Can anyone tell me what the MPD version should be set at by default?

Thanks!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=81008)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 25 May 2013, 07:49 am
Thanks James!

I noticed two things in Max2 tonight.

1) Is there any way to list music by album title or song title (rather than artist) in the far right pane?

2) In that far right pane, artists are sorted alphabetically. "a-ha" shows up dead last though. My best guess is that it has something to do with the sort algorithm. Possibly because the ASCII value of "A" is 65, "Z" has a value of 90, and the value of "a" is 97. Thus, lower case "a" comes after upper case "Z"? That could be fixed by having the algorithm strip case values or by checking for all values between 97 and 122 ("z"), and subtracting 32, then sorting.

 The other possibility I thought of was the algorithm seeing "a-ha" as "a" minus "ha", which would have a value than zero, causing it to loop back to 255 (assuming the variable is stored as a positive integer only).

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 May 2013, 09:47 am
Thanks James!

I noticed two things in Max2 tonight.

1) Is there any way to list music by album title or song title (rather than artist) in the far right pane?

2) In that far right pane, artists are sorted alphabetically. "a-ha" shows up dead last though. My best guess is that it has something to do with the sort algorithm. Possibly because the ASCII value of "A" is 65, "Z" has a value of 90, and the value of "a" is 97. Thus, lower case "a" comes after upper case "Z"? That could be fixed by having the algorithm strip case values or by checking for all values between 97 and 122 ("z"), and subtracting 32, then sorting.

 The other possibility I thought of was the algorithm seeing "a-ha" as "a" minus "ha", which would have a value than zero, causing it to loop back to 255 (assuming the variable is stored as a positive integer only).

- Garrett

Hi,

You are way over my head on this one so i will defer to Chris on this one.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ritchief on 26 May 2013, 05:32 am
Can the BPD-2 be operated via RS-232? And if so, does anyone know where to get the codes?

And if not, how about the IR codes?

Hi Grit,

Yes it can, and here are the RS232 HEX codes:

Play   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Pause   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Stop   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Skip Forward   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Skip Reverse   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Menu Up   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Menu Down   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Menu Right   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Menu Left   0000 006D 0000 0012 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 0049 000B 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0049 000B 0298

Enjoy !

Rich.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 26 May 2013, 10:45 pm
James,

Been doing research on DSD, and I would appreciate it if you could please confirm my understanding; the BDP-1 will not be able to play DSD files, however the BDP-2 can be programmed to.  Is that correct?

The reason I'm asking is the DAC that I use and really like can now be upgraded to be able to play DSD through USB.  Currently I'm only buying PCM hi rez downloads and playing through the BDP-1, but because of the availability of the new DSD upgrade on my DAC, my interest in DSD is heightened (the debate goes on about which is better, PCM or DSD, and I'm willing to spend a certain amount of money to listen to both and hear what I enjoy).

Just for my own planning and organization, is there a timeline for DSD integration that you are in a position to share?  I am perfectly happy to stay with the BDP-1 for a while and play PCM and internet radio (Radio Paradise ROCKS!) while connecting my Mac and playing DSD from there.  However if DSD on the BDP-2 is scheduled, and there is a timeline, it would let me know when I might need to replace my BDP-1 with the BDP-2.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 May 2013, 09:18 am
James,

Been doing research on DSD, and I would appreciate it if you could please confirm my understanding; the BDP-1 will not be able to play DSD files, however the BDP-2 can be programmed to.  Is that correct?

The reason I'm asking is the DAC that I use and really like can now be upgraded to be able to play DSD through USB.  Currently I'm only buying PCM hi rez downloads and playing through the BDP-1, but because of the availability of the new DSD upgrade on my DAC, my interest in DSD is heightened (the debate goes on about which is better, PCM or DSD, and I'm willing to spend a certain amount of money to listen to both and hear what I enjoy).

Just for my own planning and organization, is there a timeline for DSD integration that you are in a position to share?  I am perfectly happy to stay with the BDP-1 for a while and play PCM and internet radio (Radio Paradise ROCKS!) while connecting my Mac and playing DSD from there.  However if DSD on the BDP-2 is scheduled, and there is a timeline, it would let me know when I might need to replace my BDP-1 with the BDP-2.

Thanks,

Mike

Hi Mike

The DAC chips (AKM)  in the BDA-2 DAC are capable od DSD but we have not implemented it yet. As you say there are still some issues around DSD and we are looking at it in detail.  As for the BDP-2 we are working on new software and we are reasonable sure we will be able to get it to output DSD as well but at this point I can not make any promises.

james

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 27 May 2013, 03:14 pm
James,

Thanks for the quick reply.  So it seems like DSD is a ways out for you and that is fine.  I am taking small steps to integrate DSD into the way I listen to music and I don't know where that stands yet as far as how much I will like it.  The BDP-1 is really great for me and it's not a big deal to use my remote to switch to another input on my DAC to hear DSD.  I'll keep in touch and let you know what I find out about how much I like listening to DSD recordings.  It may very well be that it will sound similar to PCM, or even if it seems to me to be really great it may only be a very small group of people who care about it.  Right now DSD is additive to my system. All I have to do is switch an input on my DAC and run it from my computer.  It does not compete with or get in the way of how I use the BDP-1.

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shogo33 on 27 May 2013, 11:36 pm
Hi

USB is a 2-way system so can be used in either direction with the appropriate software.

james

Thanks James.  Thats great to know.  Are all the USB connectors on the BDP-2 capable of operating in output mode or only certain one's ie- the one's at the back of the unit?

I have an AMR-DP777 dac and would like to connect to it via the USB output from the BDP-2.

thanks
Joe
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2013, 12:54 am
Thanks James.  Thats great to know.  Are all the USB connectors on the BDP-2 capable of operating in output mode or only certain one's ie- the one's at the back of the unit?

I have an AMR-DP777 dac and would like to connect to it via the USB output from the BDP-2.

thanks
Joe

Any of the USB's can be used as an output.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 30 May 2013, 11:38 pm
Hi

USB is a 2-way system so can be used in either direction with the appropriate software.

james
I just tried it between the BDP and the BDA using a spare USB cable.  It doesn't sound as good as the audiophile grade SPDIF and AES/EBU cables I have but now I'm curious about what a Cardas USB cable would sound like.  It's not going to be as good as the balanced cable but I wonder if it would give the SPDIF cable some competition. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 1 Jun 2013, 05:59 pm
Rs232 control was disabled during our testing of turning the BDP into a consumer oriented smart home system.  However can be re-enabled by entering the following into the startup script.

Code: [Select]
/bin/bash
/sbin/getty -l /bin/brystonpanel.pl -L 9600 -n ttyS0 vt100 &

As for the way max 2 sorts, it simply does so by alphabetical order and lower case does come after upper case.  If you set a scratch drive and if you are running S1.60 or newer you will have access to the album sort view found as a button (cd jewel case) in the upper right corner of max 2.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 1 Jun 2013, 09:02 pm
Chris, which steps do you recommend for adding music files and metadata to MAX2? Can it import data from the iTunes folders, or link to those folders and files, or does one need to create a new folder in the Mac directory and duplicate files?

Also, do you have any thoughts on Amarra or PureMusic?

Thankee,

Rich
________________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jun 2013, 02:23 am
Hi Rich,

I'm unfamiliar with either of those programs.  In regards to your iTunes question, if your using a desktop and if you feel comfortable with it I would just share the iTunes music library folder.  Any changes you make in iTunes will be populated by the BDP after telling the BDP to do a database update.  You may not get cover art though as iTunes stores it in a separate database.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 4 Jun 2013, 03:05 am
You may not get cover art though as iTunes stores it in a separate database.

If you use a third party ripping program the album artwork will be stored within the file, and when imported into iTunes, will not be stored in the iTunes database.

However, iTunes does store album artwork in its own database if either

a.  The artwork is automatically downloaded by iTunes from the Gracenote Internet database during ripping (or if the Get Album Artwork command is manually executed)

OR

b.  The file type does not support metadata tagging, such as .WAV files

If you manually paste artwork into the Get Info > Artwork field, the artwork is stored within the file.  This gives you a simple workaround to convert artwork that was stored in the iTunes database to be stored within the file itself (again, unless it is a .WAV file).

The procedure is

1.  Select the Album from the Album View
2.  Select any song from the album and click File > Get Info (or Command + i on Mac; Ctrl + i on Windows)
3.  Copy the album art from the field on the Artwork tab, then cancel the dialog
4.  Select the Album again and Get Info.  When selecting multiple songs (as in selecting an album), the Artwork field is smaller and located on the Info tab (there is no Artwork tab)
5.  Paste the album artwork you previously copied into the Artwork field, then click OK.
6.  The album artwork will now be stored in the song file itself

Its pretty fast once you've done it a couple times, so it depends on how many albums you need to do this to.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jun 2013, 02:46 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers                                                                                                             
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2/BDA-2 Review HP Soundings


Hi Folks,

Please see below a link to a review on the new Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player and BDA-2 DAC

The review is from ‘HP Soundings’ which is Harry Pearson’s (from Absolute Sound Magazine fame) new online magazine. 

http://www.hpsoundings.com/2013/06/review-bryston-bdabdp-2/

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 4 Jun 2013, 04:09 pm
Nice review.  Good job and congrats, James.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 4 Jun 2013, 04:42 pm
 :banana piano:

Congratulations on yet another stellar review, James. As an owner of the BDP-2 and BDA-2, the observations and conclusions that Mr. McCallum presents in his cogent and well written article ring true. These components offer accuracy, resolution, power, and most of all engagement that I had not heretofore experienced with my system.

I had avoided digital downloads and computer-based audio because of technical complexities, noise/interference, and other interface problems. The BDP-2 solved all that. I use a hardwired gigabit connection to our Mac network, and management of the 500gb SSD I installed in the player is clear and logical. When I ran into a couple of technical glitches, Chris Rice worked his magic, spending over an hour on the phone with me to resolve matters.

One matter meriting further attention is the expandability of both components. The multiplicity of connections in the BDA-2 and the BDP-2 offer impressive versatility, and the increased power of the BDP-2 presents users wishing to control vast digital libraries with the resources to do so.

Now all we need is the BOT-1! Of course, we're all waiting patiently.  :hyper:

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 5 Jun 2013, 04:40 am
I have two drives connected to by BDP-2. One is an OCZ Vector 256GB SSD (NTFS), one of the fastest in production today. I also have a 16GB USB 3.0 thumb drive (VFAT) connected (trying to determine if/what the scratch drive will do).

Under the settings, I can benchmark both drives. The OCZ drive comes back at 8.9MB/sec. The thumb drive comes back at 57MB/sec.

The SSD should run circles around the USB thumb drive. I have the 512BG version of that same SSD in my desktop computer, and it runs at a good 500+ MB/sec.

I copied a few new CD rips over to the SSD via Windows, and sure enough, the data rate is about 7-8MB/sec. I copied the same files over to my Windows Home Server 2011 machine, where the hard drives are all Western Digital Cavier Red drives, and the throughput was over 50MB/sec. I'm a little frustrated that I invested in a faster SSD only to find out that the throughput is about 1/10th of what it should be over my network, and that its outpaced by a $20 USB thumb drive.

Whats causing the dramatic difference?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jun 2013, 02:08 am
Hi Grit,

How is the SSD attached to BDP?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 6 Jun 2013, 03:49 am
I connected the ssd via the internal serial sata connector
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 14 Jun 2013, 02:43 am
Need some trouble shooting help.  I use Mpad.  I disconnected my external hard drive to load some music on it.  When I plugged it back in, I can't get the Mpad to show my music.  I keep hitting "refresh local cache" and it just doesn't work.  I shut down the BDP-2 and tried it again....and again.  I unplugged the external hard drive.  Tried the process again.  I know it is connected to the network, so that is not the problem.  This has happened several times before and somehow I eventually get the music to show up.  Anyway, why is this happening?  Is there something I should be doing that I am not.  My assumption is the hard drive gets plugged in, the music should just automatically show up on the MPaD.   Any suggestions or input would be appreciated.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jun 2013, 06:28 am
Need some trouble shooting help.  I use Mpad.  I disconnected my external hard drive to load some music on it.  When I plugged it back in, I can't get the Mpad to show my music.  I keep hitting "refresh local cache" and it just doesn't work.  I shut down the BDP-2 and tried it again....and again.  I unplugged the external hard drive.  Tried the process again.  I know it is connected to the network, so that is not the problem.  This has happened several times before and somehow I eventually get the music to show up.  Anyway, why is this happening?  Is there something I should be doing that I am not.  My assumption is the hard drive gets plugged in, the music should just automatically show up on the MPaD.   Any suggestions or input would be appreciated.

Hi

Go to the Settings page of the BDP and hit Update.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 14 Jun 2013, 06:34 am
yeah, that works.  Thanks.  It was so simple.   :D  Thanks James.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Oswego0522 on 20 Jun 2013, 02:37 am
My BDP-2 is set up with a 1 TB USB drive attached to the back of the unit and I just added a 500 GB internal hard drive.

My plan is to move/copy my roughly 400 GBs of music from the USB drive or from my laptop to the internal hard drive. Copying music from the USB drive to the internal drive appears to be a slow process--1.5 GB takes about 20-25 minutes.

Is it possible and would it be advantageous, from a speed perspective, to connect my laptop to the BDP via a USB cable in order to transfer music to the internal drive faster?

At the moment, my BDP is connected to the internet using Powerline Ethernet instead of using an Ethernet cable directly from my router. Not sure if this matters.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2013, 01:43 am
My BDP-2 is set up with a 1 TB USB drive attached to the back of the unit and I just added a 500 GB internal hard drive.

My plan is to move/copy my roughly 400 GBs of music from the USB drive or from my laptop to the internal hard drive. Copying music from the USB drive to the internal drive appears to be a slow process--1.5 GB takes about 20-25 minutes.

Is it possible and would it be advantageous, from a speed perspective, to connect my laptop to the BDP via a USB cable in order to transfer music to the internal drive faster?

At the moment, my BDP is connected to the internet using Powerline Ethernet instead of using an Ethernet cable directly from my router. Not sure if this matters.

Plugging the BDP directly into your home router (assuming everything is gigabit) and wiring your laptop also directly into your home network will give you the fastest results.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Jun 2013, 03:59 pm
Why does the BDP2 require to Ethernet connections?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 22 Jun 2013, 04:28 pm
My question is why is there a need for 2 Ethernet connections?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jun 2013, 04:44 pm
My question is why is there a need for 2 Ethernet connections?

Hi

One for network and one for control systems going forward.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Jun 2013, 10:48 am
New Bryston BDP-2  Digital Player with 256 g SSD / Magnepan 3.7 Bryston 7Bsst2
   
Stewart
 
Published on 17 Jun 2013

Been loading up the hard-drive.

I had no idea how much fun this device would be!

It sounds absolutely fantastic......

Rest of system is still breaking in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTzpZZDLWU
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RonCH on 24 Jun 2013, 03:37 pm
Hi,

Has anyone compared the sound quality of Optical vs USB from the same music server.  In particular I'm interested in hearing from people using an Apple computer as a music server.

thanks

Ron
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 24 Jun 2013, 03:43 pm
When using optical, I use glass as opposed to plastic and in that case, glass sounds better.  However when it's between coax and optical, coax sounds better to me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jun 2013, 01:31 am
USB would have my vote on Mac, optical on a Mac would be limited to 96k 24bit where as USB into a BDA2 would go up to 192khz 32bit.  Also i would go with a cheap cable as its digital packets being sent to the dac and not a stream of data.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jul 2013, 10:29 am
From: Jay
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:10 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: BDA-2 & BDP-2

James, you may recall answering several queries of mine on the subject units; utilizing my Oppo BDP-95 as a transport and replacing my computer with the BDP-2.

Taking a leap of faith, I had Audio Perfection order both units. I've had the units nearly one month now and I'm very happy with the build quality, design, and most importantly; the sound. Aside losing the ability to play SACD's through the DAC (minor nit), I have been very happy.

Bryston's quality stands apart and I appreciate it. Thank you for all your assistance.

Best regards,
Jay Tuominen

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2013, 11:27 am
Hi Folks

Got a call yesterday and was informer there will be a review of the BDP-2 Digital Player coming soon in Stereophile.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: KeithA on 14 Jul 2013, 02:01 pm
Hi Folks

Got a call yesterday and was informer there will be a review of the BDP-2 Digital Player coming soon in Stereophile.

james


Great. I'll be picking up a BDP-1 or 2 later in the year....already have a spot open in my rack for it.

Keith
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 16 Jul 2013, 01:57 am
I bought a new BDP-2 last week to go with my BDA-2
My music has never sounded so good. I was actually shocked at how much the player
improved the sound as opposed to just the DAC

In order to access the Bryston max menu I have a wireless router plugged into
the Ethernet port in the BSP-2 and am using my laptop to play through Bryston Max
It works great unless I turn off the player.
The next time I turn the player on , the laptop's  Bryston Max
recognizes the  un-powered USB drive but not the hard drives
plugged into the powered USB drives in the back.
I have to unplug them and plug them back in in order for the Bryston max to
activate the player to play the songs
Is this a software glitch or just a normal part of the player

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Jul 2013, 03:50 am
I bought a new BDP-2 last week to go with my BDA-2
My music has never sounded so good. I was actually shocked at how much the player
improved the sound as opposed to just the DAC

In order to access the Bryston max menu I have a wireless router plugged into
the Ethernet port in the BSP-2 and am using my laptop to play through Bryston Max
It works great unless I turn off the player.
The next time I turn the player on , the laptop's  Bryston Max
recognizes the  un-powered USB drive but not the hard drives
plugged into the powered USB drives in the back.
I have to unplug them and plug them back in in order for the Bryston max to
activate the player to play the songs
Is this a software glitch or just a normal part of the player

Thanks

Hi Kieth,

This is not normal behaviour, the BDP should remember the contents of the drive after its been turned back on.  However you do need to wait for the updating process to finish before the BDP will write the changes to its internal flash drive.  If your turning your BDP off before its done updating then this would explain the issue.  Updating to designated by a capitol "U" in the lower left corner of the screen. 

Cheers,
Chris

crice@bryston.com
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 17 Jul 2013, 03:49 am
yes , it looks more like a rectangle to me. But when the player is loaded, I select a song on the Bryston Max menu and the song shows on the Bryston sreen , but it will not play
Songs will play with the player menu after the player is fully loaded, but to get the songs to play through using the Bryston Max menu, I have to un plug the hard drives and plug them back in
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 17 Jul 2013, 03:50 am
I'm thinking a wireless bridge connected to the Bryston ethernet and liking to my home network might be better
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rpl77 on 19 Jul 2013, 12:20 am
Which bridge(s) are you considering? :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 23 Jul 2013, 01:06 am
yes , it looks more like a rectangle to me. But when the player is loaded, I select a song on the Bryston Max menu and the song shows on the Bryston sreen , but it will not play
Songs will play with the player menu after the player is fully loaded, but to get the songs to play through using the Bryston Max menu, I have to un plug the hard drives and plug them back in

Hi Kieth,

Which version of the firmware are you running?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 26 Jul 2013, 05:25 am
I have two drives connected to by BDP-2. One is an OCZ Vector 256GB SSD (NTFS), one of the fastest in production today. I also have a 16GB USB 3.0 thumb drive (VFAT) connected (trying to determine if/what the scratch drive will do).

Under the settings, I can benchmark both drives. The OCZ drive comes back at 8.9MB/sec. The thumb drive comes back at 57MB/sec.

The SSD should run circles around the USB thumb drive. I have the 512BG version of that same SSD in my desktop computer, and it runs at a good 500+ MB/sec.

I copied a few new CD rips over to the SSD via Windows, and sure enough, the data rate is about 7-8MB/sec. I copied the same files over to my Windows Home Server 2011 machine, where the hard drives are all Western Digital Cavier Red drives, and the throughput was over 50MB/sec. I'm a little frustrated that I invested in a faster SSD only to find out that the throughput is about 1/10th of what it should be over my network, and that its outpaced by a $20 USB thumb drive.

Whats causing the dramatic difference?

I never did hear any feedback about this... is it something that is being addressed in a firmware update?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adprom on 26 Jul 2013, 12:41 pm
Whats causing the dramatic difference?

To be honest, an SSD in a the BDP-2 is probably a waste of time. You will get no extra benefit except no moving parts. Even a green magnetic drive will easily exceed the throughput of the BDP which has somewhat limited processing power.

Therefore the network performance to and from the ssd is limited by the processing power of the BDP-2 rather than the interface or core speed of any drive connected.

It isn't really an issue as even a 192KHz lossless file is unlikely to require more than 1MB/s where it is loaded into memory, and then from there it is decoded and output as a PCM signal (i.e. your source whether a drive, network source, USB is irrelevant).

Have an 8 bay QNAP NAS that can easily sustain 100+MB/s transfers and it only benchmarks on the BDP-2 at 9MB/s.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Jul 2013, 04:41 pm
I never did hear any feedback about this... is it something that is being addressed in a firmware update?

- Garrett

Hi Garrett,

Have you tried formatting the drive to use Fat32 instead of NTFS?  That is a rather slow result.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 28 Jul 2013, 10:27 pm
Chris , this is Keith, back from vacation.
I have a Toshiba Canvio external hard drive plugged into the back usb port
 and the Bryston  Thumb Drive in the front
 The player does not recognize the back drives when turned on
and after it has completed uploading
when I switch and put the thumb drive in the back port
the player recognizes the front still but not the back usb
drives.
I have to unplug the Thumb drive just like the external hard drive and plug
it back in in order for the player to play from the front panel controls
or from the Bryston Max

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 28 Jul 2013, 10:44 pm
Sorry Chris. The firmware I'm running is S1.60 2012-12-12

Keith
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 28 Jul 2013, 11:37 pm
Ok , upon further experimentation.
It appears that upon start up of the player ,
the Toshiba drive is not fully recognized from the back USB ports
But it does recognize the hard drive if it's plugged into
the front USB ports.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 29 Jul 2013, 12:17 am
after all that , it appears that the Toshiba Canvio hard drive needed a software update
The back USB ports are recognizing the hard drives now.

Once again, the BDP-2 and BDA-2 combination has revolutionized my serious listening
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 29 Jul 2013, 02:24 am
wrong again
still not recognizing the Toshiba
frustrating, I thought I had it figured out
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 30 Jul 2013, 01:37 am
Chris , since I'm having trouble with my Toshiba Canvio drives
what external hard drive(s) would you recommend

Keith
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jul 2013, 01:55 am
Hi Kieth,

Sorry for the long delay, my first re emendation would be to update to theatres firmware.  We have made some changes to the customization and startup options.  There is video detailing how to update the firmware on our instructional Fidel's section near the bottom.  Once your running s1.73, go into settings, MPD, check update MPD at startup.  If you get stuck anywhere might be best to email me at crice@bryston.com (feel free to post anything in our email correspondence).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 1 Aug 2013, 04:03 am
I do not see a S173 firmware update on the bryston site only s160
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 1 Aug 2013, 07:36 am
I noticed that too. But, if you use the "update" button from the main page of the BDP's web interface, it should automatically update (if you are connected to the internet).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RLL1 on 1 Aug 2013, 03:06 pm
I do not see a S173 firmware update on the bryston site only s160

S160 is the last version of the firmware that requires the manual update. Once you have that, you can use the automatic update feature. There is a video on the "Instructional Video" thread that explains the procedure.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 2 Aug 2013, 01:20 am
got it finally
thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 3 Aug 2013, 05:14 am
one more question
why does the IP address of the player change when
 I plug the Ethernet connection into my PC for updates and again when I plug
in a wireless bridge
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: adprom on 4 Aug 2013, 04:52 pm
one more question
why does the IP address of the player change when
 I plug the Ethernet connection into my PC for updates and again when I plug
in a wireless bridge

Depends how you have your wireless bridge setup... The router could be seeing the mac address of the bridge and thus assigning a different address. The DHCP server in the router should remember in short term, in its table mac/ip allocations.

Alternatively, most routers will allow you to fix certain mac addresses to a fixed IP address so a device always gets assigned the same IP. Lastly, you can use a static IP on the device itself - but DHCP is more effective and easier to manage. No real benefits for most people by doing that. The only time static IPs are used is for the DHCP server itself, or servers which need to maintain an IP address even if no DHCP server is available for some reason.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 4 Aug 2013, 06:58 pm
is there any reason a firmware update to S1.73 would change the sound?
Or is that my imagination?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 4 Aug 2013, 11:55 pm
any way to change the text size on on the bryston max menu?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 7 Aug 2013, 01:31 am
is there any reason a firmware update to S1.73 would change the sound?
Or is that my imagination?

Probably your imagination, but we did introduce the ability for end users to change between versions of MPD from the settings page under the MPD settings tab.  The different versions where aren't compiled with all the same decoders so, although unlikely could explain what you hearing..... or it's your imagination.

Cheers,
Chris


My money is on imagination ;)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 7 Aug 2013, 01:32 am
any way to change the text size on on the bryston max menu?

This can be done from your browsers text size settings, what are you using?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 15 Aug 2013, 01:06 am
Safari
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 25 Aug 2013, 01:51 am
I wonder whats a better connection with the BDP-2.
Using a wireless connection or a cable from the router or does it matter :scratch:,thx.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 25 Aug 2013, 04:21 am
I wonder whats a better connection with the BDP-2.
Using a wireless connection or a cable from the router or does it matter :scratch:,thx.

A wired connection should be the most reliable, other wise it shouldn't matter
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 25 Aug 2013, 04:21 am
Safari

Mac or iOS?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: john1970 on 25 Aug 2013, 07:38 pm
I wonder whats a better connection with the BDP-2.
Using a wireless connection or a cable from the router or does it matter :scratch:,thx.

I have been using two Netgear R6300 routers without any issues as a means to connect my BDP-2 to my Mac Mini.  One router is connected to the cable modem while the other operates in bridge mode.  The transfer is about 1 GB / min so while it is not the fastest connection it is very reliable.

Best,
John
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 26 Aug 2013, 01:02 am
Thanks guys,I've only used the TD that came with it so far and it's been a few weeks :nono:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: whatmeworry? on 4 Sep 2013, 12:50 am
Hi there.  I just recently bought a BDP-2 /BDA-2 combo and am loving it so far....it's amazing how much 'fun' music listening can become when you marry high tech to audio.

Two quick questions about the BDP-2:

1- When my external HD is loading my manual says it should say "Updating".  All I get is a capital "U".  Obviously not the end of the world but just wondered if this is a known issue?

2- The only way to get the BDP-2 to find and starting loading the external HD is if I turn the HD on before the player- if I turn on the player and then the HD it doesn't load.  Is this normal?

Thanks for the time...hopefully these questions aren't too 'newb-ish'.  :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: john1970 on 4 Sep 2013, 01:25 am
Hi there.  I just recently bought a BDP-2 /BDA-2 combo and am loving it so far....it's amazing how much 'fun' music listening can become when you marry high tech to audio.

Two quick questions about the BDP-2:

1- When my external HD is loading my manual says it should say "Updating".  All I get is a capital "U".  Obviously not the end of the world but just wondered if this is a known issue?

2- The only way to get the BDP-2 to find and starting loading the external HD is if I turn the HD on before the player- if I turn on the player and then the HD it doesn't load.  Is this normal?

Thanks for the time...hopefully these questions aren't too 'newb-ish'.  :)

I recently purchased a BDP-2 and I also notice the capital "U" when the unit is updating.  I use an internal HD so I can not answer your second question. 

John
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2013, 01:37 am
HI

Yes the newest software just shows a "U".

The BDP-2 'remembers' the drive when you turn it off - after that the drive will be there on start up.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: whatmeworry? on 4 Sep 2013, 02:36 am
I recently purchased a BDP-2 and I also notice the capital "U" when the unit is updating.  I use an internal HD so I can not answer your second question. 

John

HI

Yes the newest software just shows a "U".

The BDP-2 'remembers' the drive when you turn it off - after that the drive will be there on start up.

james

Thanks gents!

James- Are there any plans to add a skip forward/backward within the same song functionality (sort of a rewind/fast forward button) within the playback software?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 4 Sep 2013, 07:35 am
Talking about issues, please register also this minor one:
I have usb drive that I synchronize periodically with windows 8 pc. Windows 8 will create 2 hidden folders (recycle bin and system volume information).
 First time after synchronization and after update from bdp the hidden folders are not visible on Max or Mpdroid interface, however after shutting down this hidden folders becomes visible.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2013, 10:06 am
Thanks gents!

James- Are there any plans to add a skip forward/backward within the same song functionality (sort of a rewind/fast forward button) within the playback software?

Hi

I know you can do that in MPAD by just moving the cursor at the bottom left on the interface.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 4 Sep 2013, 11:55 am
I just purchased the BDP/BDA combo, hopefully I will get them soon.
I plan on controlling my music list with a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2.
Can you point me in the right direction for set up?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 4 Sep 2013, 12:23 pm
I just purchased the BDP/BDA combo, hopefully I will get them soon.
I plan on controlling my music list with a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2.
Can you point me in the right direction for set up?
Check this (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119340.0)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Sep 2013, 12:35 pm
I just purchased the BDP/BDA combo, hopefully I will get them soon.
I plan on controlling my music list with a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2.
Can you point me in the right direction for set up?

Hi

Try these:

Droid MPD Client HD
Droid MPD Client HD Free
Droid MPD Client
MPDroid
PMIX
BitMPD

They are all available on the Play Store under APPs

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: whatmeworry? on 4 Sep 2013, 09:54 pm
HI

Yes the newest software just shows a "U".

The BDP-2 'remembers' the drive when you turn it off - after that the drive will be there on start up.

james

Thanks for the help..pretty cool that you come on here to help people out.

Regarding the BDP-2 'remembering' my drive I am having some problems with that.  I am sure the problem will end up being something I am doing wrong. 

I shut the BDP-2 and external drive down last night....turned on the BDP this afternoon and then the external but nothng loaded. The display did make a notation about the drive ID but I couldn't get things to load until I turned everything off again, started up my external and then the BDP (had to be in that order).  Am I doing something wrong to get it to 'remember' the drive?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Sep 2013, 04:09 am
Thanks for the help..pretty cool that you come on here to help people out.

Regarding the BDP-2 'remembering' my drive I am having some problems with that.  I am sure the problem will end up being something I am doing wrong. 

I shut the BDP-2 and external drive down last night....turned on the BDP this afternoon and then the external but nothng loaded. The display did make a notation about the drive ID but I couldn't get things to load until I turned everything off again, started up my external and then the BDP (had to be in that order).  Am I doing something wrong to get it to 'remember' the drive?

Hi

What kind of external is it and are you hitting UPDATE the cache on the interface - what interface are you using? 

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 6 Sep 2013, 10:26 pm
Is there any benefit in not stacking the BPD-2 & BDA-2 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 7 Sep 2013, 12:22 am
I have both the BDA-2 and BDP-2 on separate shelves, Ozzy, but have not noticed any heat from either device. Since there are no moving parts, I don't see a problem with stacking them. You'll see the units near bottom of the cabinet on post 4 (15 August 2013) on this thread: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119028.msg1251826#msg1251826

Rich
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The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 7 Sep 2013, 01:29 pm
I guess my question on stacking the units is does stacking the BDP-2 & BDA-2 affect the sound quality?
I have been told that separating them on different shelves improves the sound quality. Yet the pictures from Bryston and the reviews of these units show them stacked.
For space requirements I would prefer to stack them. I should get my units sometime next week and could rearrange things for them to be separated.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RLL1 on 7 Sep 2013, 04:02 pm
I guess my question on stacking the units is does stacking the BDP-2 & BDA-2 affect the sound quality?
I have been told that separating them on different shelves improves the sound quality. Yet the pictures from Bryston and the reviews of these units show them stacked.
For space requirements I would prefer to stack them. I should get my units sometime next week and could rearrange things for them to be separated.

I have had my BDA-1 and BDP-1 both stacked, and on separate shelves. I did not hear any difference in sound quality.

Rick
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 7 Sep 2013, 04:34 pm
Thanks, that good to know
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Gerard on 14 Sep 2013, 10:58 pm
Recently I bought a BDP-2/BDA-2 combo. I did mount  a 0.5 TB SSD disk internally in the BDP-2.  Also I connected a 1 TB HD to the external eSTATA connector. When I use the Mpad or Max interface I see ONE internal SSD drive but TWO external HD with the same name but one with an extra 1 at the end. Why is this and can it be disabled?  Now I got of each album on the external disk two items in the album list of Mpad.  Hope there is a solution for this.
By the way, the sound of the combo is really magnificent…! ;)
Greetings, Gerard
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 15 Sep 2013, 02:08 pm
Anyone find that the Dac or even perhaps the Player needs breakin time?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2013, 02:11 am
Recently I bought a BDP-2/BDA-2 combo. I did mount  a 0.5 TB SSD disk internally in the BDP-2.  Also I connected a 1 TB HD to the external eSTATA connector. When I use the Mpad or Max interface I see ONE internal SSD drive but TWO external HD with the same name but one with an extra 1 at the end. Why is this and can it be disabled?  Now I got of each album on the external disk two items in the album list of Mpad.  Hope there is a solution for this.
By the way, the sound of the combo is really magnificent…! ;)
Greetings, Gerard

Hi Gerard


Please  place your bdp into service mode and email me the service number.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nfBG5xDrA

crice@bryston.com

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 16 Sep 2013, 03:21 am
Anyone find that the Dac or even perhaps the Player needs breakin time?

Ozzy,

i'd say around two days or so should be enough. :wink:

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: EJS73 on 16 Sep 2013, 07:14 pm
Hello all, first post from a new BDP-2 owner. The player came with software 1.6, 2012-12-12. I have absolutely no issues with how it functions today, but the web-interface suggests a firmware update. Before I update, I'd like to get some level of comfort that updating is safe and that I'm not doing something I might regret. For what it's worth, I am an extremely conservative user: all my music is on USB sticks (AIFF 16-bit and 24-bit files) and usually worked from the front panel (most of the time my player is not connected to the router). Grateful for any insights.

Thanks,

EJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Sep 2013, 07:43 pm
Hello all, first post from a new BDP-2 owner. The player came with software 1.6, 2012-12-12. I have absolutely no issues with how it functions today, but the web-interface suggests a firmware update. Before I update, I'd like to get some level of comfort that updating is safe and that I'm not doing something I might regret. For what it's worth, I am an extremely conservative user: all my music is on USB sticks (AIFF 16-bit and 24-bit files) and usually worked from the front panel (most of the time my player is not connected to the router). Grateful for any insights.

Thanks,

EJ

Hi EJ

You have to be on the network (router)  to do the update.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: EJS73 on 16 Sep 2013, 07:49 pm
Hi EJ

You have to be on the network (router)  to do the update.

james

Thanks James, I do occasionally connect to the router, that's how the unit alerted me to the update in the first place. It's just that I usually prefer running it offline. From the list with updates, I understand a number of features have been added since end of last year, but I am cautious with firmwares, hence the question.

regards,

EJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Sep 2013, 01:59 am
Hello all, first post from a new BDP-2 owner. The player came with software 1.6, 2012-12-12. I have absolutely no issues with how it functions today, but the web-interface suggests a firmware update. Before I update, I'd like to get some level of comfort that updating is safe and that I'm not doing something I might regret. For what it's worth, I am an extremely conservative user: all my music is on USB sticks (AIFF 16-bit and 24-bit files) and usually worked from the front panel (most of the time my player is not connected to the router). Grateful for any insights.

Thanks,

EJ

Hi EJ,

The original S1.60 firmware is still available from our web site, please see our instructional videos pinned at the top of this forum on how to install it.  This would allow you to revert back to it if you don't like the changes.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: EJS73 on 17 Sep 2013, 09:32 pm
Hi EJ,

The original S1.60 firmware is still available from our web site, please see our instructional videos pinned at the top of this forum on how to install it.  This would allow you to revert back to it if you don't like the changes.

Cheers
Chris

Thanks Chris, the update went fine.

Cheers,

EJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 19 Sep 2013, 07:17 pm
What interconnect or connection should I use between the BDP 2 and the BDA-2?  Any recomendations?  thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 20 Sep 2013, 07:31 am
I tried both the BNC and the AES/EBU and was happier with the AES/EBU.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Afterimage on 20 Sep 2013, 02:58 pm
I tried both the BNC and the AES/EBU and was happier with the AES/EBU.

I was actually looking for a recommendation for a brand of interconnect, which one sounds good between the two.  thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 20 Sep 2013, 03:36 pm
What interconnect or connection should I use between the BDP 2 and the BDA-2?  Any recomendations?  thanks.

I'm using the Bryston AES/EBU digital cable between my BDP-2 and BDA-2 and couldn't be happier!   :D

If you want to spend more, have a look here:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/2013-recommended-components-cables (http://www.stereophile.com/content/2013-recommended-components-cables)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 20 Sep 2013, 11:51 pm
HELP! I just got done moving some of my equipment around and now my BDP-2 shows error 03 and 
2012-11-27 There is no response to pushing any buttons.
Is there something Chris can do remotely?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 20 Sep 2013, 11:53 pm
Oh it actually reads RO 3.0 2012-11-27
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SHV on 21 Sep 2013, 12:18 am
Oh it actually reads RO 3.0 2012-11-27

When my BDP1 does something odd, I unplug it and then power up again.  Usually works.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Sep 2013, 12:45 am
HELP! I just got done moving some of my equipment around and now my BDP-2 shows error 03 and 
2012-11-27 There is no response to pushing any buttons.
Is there something Chris can do remotely?

03 is no analog supply - may be low voltage.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Sep 2013, 12:53 am
yikes! What can I do about low voltage?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 21 Sep 2013, 01:11 am
You said you were moving equipment around.  Is the BDP-2 now plugged into a new power conditioner, surge suppressor or different circuit than it was originally connected to?

You could plug it into the previous power source to see if the error goes away.  If you don't have one of these handy power meters, you may want to invest in one of the reasonable cost Kill A Watt P4400 or P4460 (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=kill+a+watt&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=5317097247&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8051254252116354898&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_975f4fm7s1_e) meters to see what's going on.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Sep 2013, 01:44 am
Thanks, I have tried everything. The unit is non responsive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Sep 2013, 02:27 am
Thanks, I have tried everything. The unit is non responsive.

Email Chris - crice@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Sep 2013, 11:13 am
It was a fuse! Once replaced everything checks out fine. Whew!
So error 03 means check the fuse...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Sep 2013, 12:13 pm
It was a fuse! Once replaced everything checks out fine. Whew!
So error 03 means check the fuse...

great news  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SHV on 21 Sep 2013, 04:49 pm
"It was a fuse! "
******
Why would a BDP-2 blow a fuse? 

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 21 Sep 2013, 06:12 pm
I was actually looking for a recommendation for a brand of interconnect, which one sounds good between the two.  thanks.

I'm using a 1.5 meter AES/EBU Shunyata Python.  I tried a number of cables, and the Shunyata sounded the best to me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 28 Sep 2013, 10:30 am
Hi everyone,
I'm new here.
After playing my files through PC and Mac, I passed only two weeks ago to the BDP-2 with great satisfaction , connected to a W4S DAC 2.
Now I'm remote controlling it with my MacPro sometimes with MAX and other time with Theremin.
First question : now I'd like to install an internal 512 GB SSD drive. I thought about a Samsung 840 pro or a OCZ Vector. Are there differences, in base to the different energy efficiency. Or maybe is there some other better drive to install ?
Second question : I don't understand how can I copy directly my audio files from an external HD o from my my mac into the internal SSD.
I read in some answer  that it's possible "on the network" , but I'm not asbolutly expert with pc, ecc., so I'd like some advises to do it without remove the drive.
Thank's in advance to everybody will help me.
dino

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Sep 2013, 02:09 pm
Hi Dino,

Welcome to the forum and congrats on the BDP-2  :thumb:

The link below should take you to a video demonstrating how to copy music from your computer to the BDP over the network on both Mac and Windows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjn2HSd6b8

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 29 Sep 2013, 03:33 am
Thank's.
dino

What about Error 05 ? Happens many times.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lossless on 30 Sep 2013, 03:09 pm
Found this on another forum posted by James Tanner:

BDP-1 or 2 Error Codes

•   Error 03: No Analog Power Supply

•   Error 04: Analog Power Supply Too Low

•   Error 05: Analog Power Supply Too high

•   Error 09: System Board not responding.

I also got an Error 04 on my new BDP-2.  I had a BDP-1 for close to two years and did not get one single error code, have a BDP-2 for 2 months and already got an Error 04?   :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 30 Sep 2013, 11:47 pm
Mine did the same thing and she's onlt a few months old also.
I only tested out the TD once,so she sat just powered on with nothing connected except the AES cable,no internet connection ect.
I unplugged it and waited a bit and so far she hasn't said error 4,also she's into a 20a balanced Torus with other components.
My BCD-1 lasted 5yrs with no problems.
Glad I have my TT,bluray players for back up just in case,and I'll keep my cds.
Perhaps there's a lot more bugs to be fixed.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 1 Oct 2013, 01:25 am
Hi Guys,

With the exception of error 09 these messages represent issues with the power being supplied to the BDP.  Power conditioners have been known to cause issues with this safety mechanism, if you are using one with a BDP, try using the BDP without he power conditioner.  As beneficial as power conditioned are for amps, preamps and other parts of your system, the BDP and it linear power supply negates the need for one. 

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2013, 12:35 pm
Hi Folks,

Chris an I where playing around with DSD playback on the BDP-2 with the new Manic Moose software Chris is working on and it appears to be working very well. :thumb:

Our test DAC was the SCHIIT DSD unit.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 1 Oct 2013, 08:08 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=87865)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: smatsui324 on 2 Oct 2013, 01:16 pm
Hi Folks,

Chris an I where playing around with DSD playback on the BDP-2 with the new Manic Moose software Chris is working on and it appears to be working very well. :thumb:

Our test DAC was the SCHIIT DSD unit.

james

James,
That is great news!  I'm the BDP-2 user that called you about DSD a few weeks ago.  Will DSD capability be user upgradeable?   I've been listening to some DSD downloads from Acoustic Sounds using a PC laptop and J. River 19 and they sound great.  I'm guessing that DSD played back through the BDP-2 will sound even better.  I'm really glad that Bryston is working on DSD capability for the BDP.  According to the person I talked to at Acoustic Sounds, DSD offerings will be increasing expotentially in the next few months.   Please keep us updated.  Thanks.
Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2013, 01:40 pm
James,
That is great news!  I'm the BDP-2 user that called you about DSD a few weeks ago.  Will DSD capability be user upgradeable?   I've been listening to some DSD downloads from Acoustic Sounds using a PC laptop and J. River 19 and they sound great.  I'm guessing that DSD played back through the BDP-2 will sound even better.  I'm really glad that Bryston is working on DSD capability for the BDP.  According to the person I talked to at Acoustic Sounds, DSD offerings will be increasing expotentially in the next few months.   Please keep us updated.  Thanks.
Steve

Hi Steve

Yes it is a software update not a hardware update.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 3 Oct 2013, 07:29 pm
Well I have been getting error 09 messages on my BDP-2 about every few turn-ons and it has been driving me crazy.
At this point I think I figured out what was wrong... at least I hope I did.
I have my BDP-2 powered from my PS Audio P10. I had the output on the PS-10 setup to "Sinewave". Once I changed the output to "Multiwave" the error messages on the BDP-2 have seemed to go away. At least it has the last few days, so we shall see...

So, listen to Chris when he says Power conditioners can effect the power signal to the BDP-2.
To be continued...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 3 Oct 2013, 10:19 pm
Never had a problem with my BDP-2 plugged into my BIT IS-15.  Turn it on and off every day.

Bud
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 3 Oct 2013, 11:02 pm
Hi Steve

Yes it is a software update not a hardware update.

james

James, you and I talked about DSD a little bit ago as well and at that time your DSD plans were uncertain.  Does it seem that your DSD plans have firmed up and if so, will DSD be available for my BDP-1?

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2013, 11:10 pm
James, you and I talked about DSD a little bit ago as well and at that time your DSD plans were uncertain.  Does it seem that your DSD plans have firmed up and if so, will DSD be available for my BDP-1?

Thanks,

Mike

Hi Mike

The new software that Chris is developing appears to work with DSD so hopefully it should be available by the end of the year.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Oct 2013, 01:09 am
It will likely be in public beta by the end of the year.... the beatings arn't that frequent ;)

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 4 Oct 2013, 04:56 pm
Thanks Chris and James.  The timing is not as much of an issue to me as that it's being released.  That is great news, looking forward to it.  I'm getting my Wyred4Sound DAC upgraded with the DSD package.

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 8 Oct 2013, 06:22 pm
Update for my BDP-2,since she been plugged in the Torus 24/7 for a month or so. e ran into error 4 a few times.
So today I am taking Chris's advise and am running her direct to a dedicated line to see if she goes into error again.
Funny though as there is no TB or computer connected to it at all.
Maybe that's why,I'm not using her at all :nono:.,stay tuuuuned.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 15 Oct 2013, 06:57 am
I've enjoyed my BDP2 beyond words, but lack of DSD has been disappointing.  I love Blue Coast
Records downloads among others.......

Saw this at RMAF:
http://store.sony.com/hi-res-music-player-with-1tb-hdd-zid27-HAPZ1ES/cat-27-catid-All-Res-Audio?_t=pfm%3Dcategory

small color LCD screens on these devices are what I would term as "useless"
but native DSD support is compelling for a unit at this price point including 1tb storage.......
wonder how it sounds tho....we didn't get to hear it this weekend......

Nice to hear Bryston is hearing the call and will support DSD

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2013, 09:44 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDP/DBA Digital Player/DAC – Customer Feedback
From: Allen Purdy
Subject: Bryston duo

Date: 13 October, 2013

I have to keep things in perspective I know but these Brystons have totally changed the way I relate to reproduced music. I bought my first "high end" component in 1968 - a Dual 1019 turntable so I have been at this game for a long time and nothing has prepared me for the way in which the BDA and the BDP facilitate my enjoyment of high quality reproduced sound.

They are uber-convenient  I am getting all of my CDs ripped to my network attached storage drive which I as super fast Iomega RAID setup with 4TB of storage. I can access the music through the network if I like and actually stream it to the DAC in the magnum Dynalab but I mostly just copy what I want to 32GB USB drives and plug them into the BDP

As the BDA -2 breaks in it just gets sweeter and sweeter not a trace of digital glare. I swapped out The cable between the BDA and the BDP to a Kimber D-60 BNC and find that I like the focus better than with the Bryston cable. The kimber has a list "price of around $300 compared with $105 for the Bryston so thats no surprise. I use the iPad to control everything and it is just dynamite

These two pieces have been revolutionary for me not evolutionary  can't thank you enough for pointing me in this direction. The Naim DAC was excellent but this Bryston has gone to another level with sound staging and imaging and has a WOW factor that the Naim did not give me.

WOW even on Red Book material

Al
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 16 Oct 2013, 12:31 am
It's been a week with the BDP-2 plugged into a dedicated line,no error codes ect.
Powered on 24/7,looks like all's good.
I'll see in one more week just in case,Don't like digital components being naked without some kind of protection.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Oct 2013, 02:33 pm
It's been a week with the BDP-2 plugged into a dedicated line,no error codes ect.
Powered on 24/7,looks like all's good.
I'll see in one more week just in case,Don't like digital components being naked without some kind of protection.

You should be ok with a generic power bar and the BDP's power supply should filter out any noise on its own.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 16 Oct 2013, 07:02 pm
THX :).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 22 Oct 2013, 10:27 pm
I  must say my CDP works better than the BDP-2 as far as power management goes.
Error again and she's plugged direct to the wall,where before she was into the Torus.
Fine and nice digital can be fussy,but comparing the two digital products regarding power/initializing,my BCD-1 has been flawless close to 6yrs and that's been on 24/7,perhaps I got a lemon as I have had the BDP-2 for maybe 2-3 months and have only played her 3X with the TD,which I keep it on 24/7 with nothing inserted,just the AES cable going to the BDA-2(which doesn't go into error or shut down.
This is at least 4 error codes so far and have to always unplug and replug to get it to initialize again :roll:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 24 Oct 2013, 04:15 am
my experience :
I own the bdp-2 from about one month. I plugged it in a digital input of a Belkin Pure AV PF50.
I had very, very often Error 05 (overvoltage), and I was adviced to don't plug it in a power conditioner.
I had no more the error.
But I tried again with the Belking, changing the electrical phase (inverting the plug).
No more error problem from 15 dd. I hope it will continue like that.
P.S. Italy 220 AC.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: EJS73 on 29 Oct 2013, 02:37 pm
Another accolade: having owned a BDP-2 for a few months now, I have to say I am mightily impressed by it. By way of background, I was and still am a CD afficionado. Having played with streaming and not finding anything remotely charming about hooking up my hifi (Bryston / Accuphase / B&W / Siltech) to a network, I initially thought of adding a mac mini running audirvana, but months of testing DACs, I couldn't make it sound as good as I wanted - certainly not as good as my upmarket CD player. Then came the BDP-2, which, running into an accuphase DAC-30, sounds indistinguishable from CD on redbook and gorgeous in high res, and best of all, runs from USB sticks without any fuss. I prefer to run it in bare-bones mode from the front panel.

A note on power errors at start-up: mine suffered from it until I reversed phase at the wall outlet. Not a single incident since. And on the firmware: V.1.73 runs fine but for some reason 1.6 is more reliable in reading memory sticks as they are plugged in...

Cheers,

EJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 29 Oct 2013, 04:21 pm
I'm absoltutly not expert.
I bought a Samsung SSD and I installed it inside.
Connecting with the server , my PC doesn't see the Samsung, but it see other usb flash.
Have I to formatted the SSD or install the Samsung software ?
Is it possible do do it on the BDP-2 or not ?
Thank's
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2013, 04:47 pm
I'm absoltutly not expert.
I bought a Samsung SSD and I installed it inside.
Connecting with the server , my PC doesn't see the Samsung, but it see other usb flash.
Have I to formatted the SSD or install the Samsung software ?
Is it possible do do it on the BDP-2 or not ?
Thank's
dino

Make sure you hit UPDATE on the Bryston SETTINGS page.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 29 Oct 2013, 05:24 pm
Regarding my BDP-2 and error code 04,
checked the dedicated receptacles(separate pony breaker panel)they come in at 117v
The Torus which is a balanced 240v the receptacles come in at 122v
Tested to make sure all four duplexes on sub panel   were wired correct(I don't doubt my electrician) and they are correct.
So I believe when my BCD-1 faceplate comes in,I'll send her off to Bryston to have it looked at especially only played the TD a couple of times and only a few months old,thank Christ for warranties.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 29 Oct 2013, 08:02 pm
Make sure you hit UPDATE on the Bryston SETTINGS page.

james

My Mac doesn't see the Samsung on the server (BDP-2).
Maybe I have to remove it, and format it. Fat32 or in other way ?
Thank's
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2013, 08:27 pm
My Mac doesn't see the Samsung on the server (BDP-2).
Maybe I have to remove it, and format it. Fat32 or in other way ?
Thank's
dino

Has to be FAT32 or NTSF

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 29 Oct 2013, 09:00 pm
Thank's a lot.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 30 Oct 2013, 04:04 am
My Mac doesn't see the Samsung on the server (BDP-2).
Maybe I have to remove it, and format it. Fat32 or in other way ?
Thank's
dino

Hi Dino,

Have you seen this tutorial yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsyU15-sB8&feature=youtu.be

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 30 Oct 2013, 03:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsyU15-sB8&feature=youtu.be

Thank's Chris.
I tried but : the disk utility shows my ssd on the list, but the two bottom up, First Ald and Erase, don't work.
I tried with google crome and firefox.
Maybe I have to remove and format it outside, with my pc.
Thank's
dino

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 31 Oct 2013, 04:41 am
Hi Dino,

It might be more prudent to place the BDP into service mode and to email me the service id.  This will allow me to access the BDP by way of a VPN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nfBG5xDrA

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 2 Nov 2013, 04:14 am
Hi Chris, perfect.
I'll be at home the next week.
Please inform me about the hours are ok for you. I don't know your fuse.
Thank's
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 4 Nov 2013, 05:37 am
Done through Safari. thank you anyway for your time. dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Nov 2013, 03:43 pm
Hi Chris,

I've read a variety of articles mentioning the benefits of a real-time OS for audio quality. Do you echo this sentiment? To what degree do you think it matters?

Best regards,
Gary



From: Chris Rice [mailto:crice@bryston.com]
Subject: Re: real time os

Hi Gary,

It's essentially snake oil, the idea behind a real time OS is to give certain tasks absolute priority for best possible timing.  In the case of audio this sounds like a good thing, however it's a non-issue and would only be useful if the CPU running the OS where also directly controlling the analog signal outputting the audio.  This is not the case for the BDP or even average desktop computers as they both have sounds cards that handle this task.  As for any application towards outputting the data to the sound card, whether that be. A traditional sound card or a USB DAC out BDP is configured to buffer as much data as possible into system memory.  There are two buffers and input buffer that is 2KB in size (MPD) and a output buffer that will use as much memory that is available (ALSA).  As the songs in the playlist are decoded by the system, the decoded material is then stored in system memory until it's handed off to the sound output device (sound card or USB dac). 

Think of a barrel with a small whole in the bottom being filled with water.  The water escaping from the bottom of the barrel is the data being sent to the sound output device, the barrel itself is the buffer and the water filling the barrel is the computer reading the data.  So if the computer becomes occupied doing another task, the flow slows down or stops all together;
but it's ok because the barrel is still full of water and as long as water remains in the the barrel it will continue to flow out at a constant pace.

If you venture into the BDP's settings page, under services you'll notice some statistics, one of which is system memory.  As the playback music, the larger your playlist becomes the memory becomes used.  This is the BDP buffering as much audio as possible, however if you skip a song it has to start over.

You can test this by playing some music off of a USB drive, once it has started playing for 15-20 seconds.  Pull the thumb drive out and the BDP should continue playing for a few seconds.  It would play longer but the BDP is configured to send the stop command once it's realized the drive has been pulled.

Hope this information helps Gary, feel free to email me with any further questions or concerns.

Cheers,
Chris

Embedded Linux Engineer
Web Application Developer
Bryston Ltd.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 6 Nov 2013, 01:34 pm
pasting time :
from USB Key to internal SSD = about 4 GB/Hour,
from Mac + external HD through modem to internal SSD = about 8 GB/Hour.
Both way very, very slow.
Is it normal ?
Thank's
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Nov 2013, 04:14 pm
Hi Dino,

The speed varies on your home network, if your using a BDP2 with a router that has an integrated 1Gb switch with a computer that also has a 1Gb network interface you should see speeds ranging from 30MB/s (USB thumb drive) up to 80MB/s (SSD attached via SATA).  If any part of the network is limited to 100Mb, then your speeds will vary between 4-8MB/s.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 6 Nov 2013, 05:15 pm
Hi Dino,

The speed varies on your home network, if your using a BDP2 with a router that has an integrated 1Gb switch with a computer that also has a 1Gb network interface you should see speeds ranging from 30MB/s (USB thumb drive) up to 80MB/s (SSD attached via SATA).  If any part of the network is limited to 100Mb, then your speeds will vary between 4-8MB/s.

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris,
why the pasting is slower, about half speed, with the USB key in the BDP ?
Thank's
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Nov 2013, 06:10 pm
Hi Chris,
why the pasting is slower, about half speed, with the USB key in the BDP ?
Thank's
dino

Hi Dino,

I'm not sure if i understand the question, but USB thumb drives are much slower then a USB hard drive.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 6 Nov 2013, 07:35 pm
I think that it is the reason.
Step by step I'll have all my CD on the SSD.
Most important for me : BDP vs PC and Mac, no story !
thank's
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Nov 2013, 12:10 pm
Hi Folks,

Check out the latest review on the Bryston BDA2 and BDP2 combo in the November issue of Hi-Fi News and Record Review Magazine in the UK.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89854)


james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Nov 2013, 03:21 pm
Hello!

I have a question regarding BDP-2 digital player. Now, this may seem a bit strange but I was wondering if there was a feature that would switch the channels so that the lleft channel is on the right and the right channel on the left. The reason why I am asking this is because the tendency of some CD-ROM drives to rip audio CDs incorrectly. For instance, I have an LG DVD drive and I have now realized that there are several dozen discs that have been ripped incorrectly and I am quite sure all the settings in Exact audio copy software were correct. This particular software has a well explained manual and it does suggest some computer drives do rip audio CDs incorrectly and the software provides a special feature called "invert channels" to compensate for this. In my case, the discs were already ripped and I don't have them anymore for they were not mine in the first place. It was my oversight that lead to this because I didn't listen to the ripped files but the instruments are definitely panned to the opposite channel.

It could perhas be possible for the BDP-2 to read the data from the built-in drive, processed accordingly and then overwrite the data on the drive.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Nov 2013, 03:34 pm
Hello!

I have a question regarding BDP-2 digital player. Now, this may seem a bit strange but I was wondering if there was a feature that would switch the channels so that the lleft channel is on the right and the right channel on the left. The reason why I am asking this is because the tendency of some CD-ROM drives to rip audio CDs incorrectly. For instance, I have an LG DVD drive and I have now realized that there are several dozen discs that have been ripped incorrectly and I am quite sure all the settings in Exact audio copy software were correct. This particular software has a well explained manual and it does suggest some computer drives do rip audio CDs incorrectly and the software provides a special feature called "invert channels" to compensate for this. In my case, the discs were already ripped and I don't have them anymore for they were not mine in the first place. It was my oversight that lead to this because I didn't listen to the ripped files but the instruments are definitely panned to the opposite channel.

It could perhas be possible for the BDP-2 to read the data from the built-in drive, processed accordingly and then overwrite the data on the drive.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

I do not think so but I will ask Chris.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Nov 2013, 03:50 pm
Hi Antun

I do not think so but I will ask Chris.

james

Thanks mate!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: joc3721 on 15 Nov 2013, 03:58 pm
Can the BDP-2 play music completely disconnected from an internet/ehternet connection?  For example, with a thumb drive inserted and using the front panel only to play/select tracks, no external software.  In other words, use it like a CD player where the directly inserted drive is the cd.  I tried to do this  a few months ago and it wasn't possible (according to Bryston) bu was told it's a fix that could be coming.  This is useful if taking the BDP-2 to a location where there is no connection available. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: EJS73 on 15 Nov 2013, 04:04 pm
Can the BDP-2 play music completely disconnected from an internet/ehternet connection?  For example, with a thumb drive inserted and using the front panel only to play/select tracks, no external software.  In other words, use it like a CD player where the directly inserted drive is the cd.  I tried to do this  a few months ago and it wasn't possible (according to Bryston) bu was told it's a fix that could be coming.  This is useful if taking the BDP-2 to a location where there is no connection available.

Yes - that's how I use it exclusively. Pop in the thumb drive, select folder, and play. The BDP recognises just about any folder / directory structure, too, and automatically plays music in subfolders beneath the selected folder.

Cheers,

EJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Nov 2013, 01:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Check out the latest review on the Bryston BDA2 and BDP2 combo in the November issue of Hi-Fi News and Record Review Magazine in the UK.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=89854)


james

Hi Folks,

Should have the complete PDF of the Review soon but I am very proud of the Jitter numbers measured by Paul Miller in the technical section of the review - would you believe 10 psec  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Nov 2013, 05:36 pm
Hi Folks,

Should have the complete PDF of the Review soon but I am very proud of the Jitter numbers measured by Paul Miller in the technical section of the review - would you believe 10 psec  :thumb:

james


Hi James!

That's really great! The lowest number I witnessed was 80ps on a Pioneer DVD player. The oscilloscope trace was almost a perfect square. But I suspect most optical media players are well above 100ps. Specifications don't show us the whole picture I think but they are possibly a good a good showcase of machine's capabilities. It is just the way it seems to me.

But please tell me, were you able to get a reply from Chris on channel reverse feature in the BDP?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Nov 2013, 06:56 pm
Hi James!

That's really great! The lowest number I witnessed was 80ps on a Pioneer DVD player. The oscilloscope trace was almost a perfect square. But I suspect most optical media players are well above 100ps. Specifications don't show us the whole picture I think but they are possibly a good a good showcase of machine's capabilities. It is just the way it seems to me.

But please tell me, were you able to get a reply from Chris on channel reverse feature in the BDP?

Cheers!
Antun

Yes Chris says not possible with current software.  Not sure if it is a feature we can add or not going forward.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 16 Nov 2013, 08:07 pm
Hi Folks,

Should have the complete PDF of the Review soon but I am very proud of the Jitter numbers measured by Paul Miller in the technical section of the review - would you believe 10 psec  :thumb:

james


Um, what's a psec?  I'm taking it that the smaller the number the better?

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Nov 2013, 01:01 pm
Um, what's a psec?  I'm taking it that the smaller the number the better?

Thanks,

Mike

Hi!

Picosecond [ps] is a measure of time interval in accordance with SI standard. An interval of one second is equal to:
1.000 millisecond [ms]
1.000.000 microsecond [ns]
1.000.000.000 nanosecond [ns]
1.000.000.000.000 picosecond [ps]

Therefore, one picosecond equals 1x10exp(-12) seconds. It is used in quantum mechanics and sometimes chemistry. In audio, it is used to measure time misalignment of the digital samples and lower value is better though it is not the only relevant parameter.

As far as digital transports go, I think 10ps is as low as humanly possible.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 18 Nov 2013, 11:19 pm
I seem to be having problems with a couple of flash drives not being assessable on my BDP-2. Those flash drives are 32G and have several large music files on them.
Can someone point me to where this topic may have been discussed?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2013, 11:51 pm
I seem to be having problems with a couple of flash drives not being assessable on my BDP-2. Those flash drives are 32G and have several large music files on them.
Can someone point me to where this topic may have been discussed?

Hi


What type of file and how large?

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 19 Nov 2013, 12:29 am
32g flash drive with about 31G of music Apple Lossless. There are maybe 8 artists of perhaps 4G each.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 19 Nov 2013, 12:31 am
I should say that I have 2  1TB external hardrives with all of my music . To access some of the artists quicker I created some flash drives with certain artists on each. Such as Women, or rock, etc.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 19 Nov 2013, 01:46 am
Hi!

Picosecond [ps] is a measure of time interval in accordance with SI standard. An interval of one second is equal to:
1.000 millisecond [ms]
1.000.000 microsecond [ns]
1.000.000.000 nanosecond [ns]
1.000.000.000.000 picosecond [ps]

Therefore, one picosecond equals 1x10exp(-12) seconds. It is used in quantum mechanics and sometimes chemistry. In audio, it is used to measure time misalignment of the digital samples and lower value is better though it is not the only relevant parameter.

As far as digital transports go, I think 10ps is as low as humanly possible.

Thanks, so the jitter in the BDP is basically as low as humanly possible.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Nov 2013, 02:37 am
I seem to be having problems with a couple of flash drives not being assessable on my BDP-2. Those flash drives are 32G and have several large music files on them.
Can someone point me to where this topic may have been discussed?

Hi Ozzy,

What filesystem are the thumb drives formatted as and do hey have labels?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2013, 03:32 pm
NO MORE JITTER BUG :thumb:

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDA-2 DAC /BDP-2 Player Review

Hi Folks,

Please see below a link to a  superb review on the Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 Digital Player combination. Special “HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AWARD”.

Please note  the Jitter numbers measured by Paul Miller in the technical section of the review - would you believe 10 psec ! ***


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=90161)
       


ftp://ftp.bryston.com/pub/reviews/HFN_Bryston%20BDP-2_BDA-2.pdf


*** What’s a Picosecond?

A Picosecond [ps] is a measure of time interval in accordance with SI standard. An interval of one second is equal to:

1.000 millisecond [ms]
1.000.000 microsecond [ms]
1.000.000.000 nanosecond [ns]
1.000.000.000.000 picosecond [ps]
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 19 Nov 2013, 10:05 pm
Hi, I recently purchased a Bryston BDP-2 and is now considering a matching dac. Are there any reasons beyond aesthetics for choosing BPA-2 as a partner for the BDP-2? I mean is there any synergy between the two either sonically or technical that other DAC's can't achieve, even if they perform at at higher level both in price and sound?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 20 Nov 2013, 06:51 am
Congratulations on your BDP-2, Dreamseeker:

Get the BDA-2 and you'll have found your dream (at least this aspect of it). These two components do work beautifully together, as addressed in the reviews James has posted on this thread, such as those from Hi-Fi News and from HP Soundings. The BDA-2 is also a superb value, providing excellent sound and flexibility, winning The Absolute Sound Product of the Year Award. The sound is accurate, smooth, and engaging, providing the best audio I've heard from my system, noticeably ahead of my Oppo BDP-105 (via HDMI to the SP3) when comparing, say, an SACD with a hi-res download of the same recording. Finally, the BR2 remote will control both units, as well as other Bryston gear.

Rich
_______________
Whiney Napa Valley

The means — Bryston SP3 | Bryston 6B-SST(C) - L/C/R; 4B-SST(C) - surrounds; 4B-SST(C) - rears | Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player; BDA-2 D/A Converter; Oppo BDP-105 | Paradigm Reference Signature S8 fronts; C5 center; ADP surrounds; S4 rears; two Velodyne DD15 subs | APC S20 | Pioneer Elite PRO-1130
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 20 Nov 2013, 06:29 pm
Thanks for your reply. The other dac I had in mind is APL DAC-S. It retails for $5000 as opposed to $2400 for BDA-2. For me the price difference will be less. I will not be able to hear either of them before making the decision but expect DAC-S to have the edge over BDA-2. I have a good deal of experience with digital sources in the price range of BDA-2, so my motivation for going with the APL dac is to get something that maybe performs in a bit higher league. But I suppose BDA-2 in many ways would be good enough for me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 20 Nov 2013, 10:17 pm
hi, Seeker!

the BDA-2 is cheaper, has much more inputs and the same AKM chips as the APL DAC... :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrysTony on 20 Nov 2013, 10:57 pm
Manufacturer A builds a DAC and prices it at $5000.  Manufacturer B builds a DAC and prices it at $2400.  Two truths: 1.  The PRICE of a high end electronics item is for the most part unrelated to COST of producing the item.  2.  There is not a direct correlation of higher price to better sound. 

I currently have the 1st generation BDA-1 along with the BDP-1.  If I wanted a better DAC and had the inclination to buy one I would choose the BDA-2 based on my experience with the BDA-1.

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 22 Nov 2013, 02:09 pm
My opinion of the BDA-2 is that it is an exceptional D/A converter. Considering the sound quality it offers, I would say it is affordable even if it is not really cheap. It took me quite a bit of time to decide which DAC to purchase and after numerous listening sessions, I decided it was better than the NAD M51 and Musical Fidelity M6DAC. Mind you, the M51 is literally half the price where I live and the M6DAC is around 300 Euro cheaper than the BDA-2 but it was still my choice. J wasn't really opting for having a one-brand system, since I already own a BHA-1 headphone amplifier, but in the end it turned out that way.

Now, I listened to even more expensive DACs like the EMM labs DAC2 and it sounded magnificent. The price was 7600 Euro though and so, well beyond what I was prepared to spend. But I really can't say I am missing a whole lot and as harsh as it sounds, even the BDA-2 is a waste of time because most recordings are simply unworthy of good quality equipment. It is with good quality recordings that this equipment shines and for that small number of recordings, the BDA-2 was well worth it. One always has to find the right measure and I think I found mine in the BDA-2.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 22 Nov 2013, 07:00 pm
Just to add to my previous comment, and I do realize it isn't the place to do it, I am quite pleased with the BDA-2. Of all the DACs I have tried in this or near this price point, it is the only audiophile equivalent of a mastering-grade DAC. The reason I say this is because not only does it have a flat frequency response, but it also has a natural timbre of the instruments. Through the BDA-2 the instruments I know so well sound as realistic as in live or studio environments and that is the "n-th degree" I was looking for. It is a visceral quality I believe is unique to this machine.

I know nothing about Bryston as a company but it seems to me that, apart from long hours in front of computer screens, someone spent countless hours trying to fine-tune the filters or whatever it is that makes it sound like it does to get the natural tone of human voice and instruments.

Folk instruments in Croatia are quite verse and colorful but rarely do I hear them reproduced well. I think it captures the spirit of these instruments really well, which is to say, they sound as realistic as the recording will provide.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 23 Nov 2013, 09:48 pm
After some consideration I did make an order for the APL dac. The Bryston DAC would have been the sensible choice and BDP-2 has made very good impression. The APL dac feels a bit more exciting in the sense that it's hand made by a so called guru that uses audiophile parts in the products and has his own designs. If I'm not happy with it I guess I can sell for aproximately the same as I'm buying it for.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 30 Nov 2013, 05:57 pm
After some consideration I did make an order for the APL dac. The Bryston DAC would have been the sensible choice and BDP-2 has made very good impression. The APL dac feels a bit more exciting in the sense that it's hand made by a so called guru that uses audiophile parts in the products and has his own designs. If I'm not happy with it I guess I can sell for aproximately the same as I'm buying it for.

Unless he is well-known, it is more likely you will sell it for a fraction of the price you paid for it. It is inevitably the way of "hifi gurus" and DIYers alike. I know for I had some electronics that were really good and yet, I could sell them for something that would buy me an unbelievably ridiculous commercial design that wouldn't come near that DIY product, let alone something in the commercial high-end range.

DACs like the ones from Lampizator are exceptional but their value is drastically reduced when sold on the 2nd hand market because of the lack of magazine-endorsed advertisement.

I have a super tube DAC which was inspired by Lampizator but sounds even better due to several modifications done by the now late Mr. Slobodan from Croatia. Mundorf Supreme Silver/Gold capacitors (50 Euro a piece), Holco military grade resistors, zero-feedback single triode stage with dedicated power supply and power transformer and fed directly off the CS4398's legs... The works. I tried to sell it but have really given up on the idea for I couldn't sell it for the price of one Mundorf capacitor.

Why I switched to Bryston? Because it perfoms equally good in it's own right, is a lot more versatile and unlike tube designs operating in pure class A, it is trouble-free. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jhameeh on 26 Dec 2013, 04:31 am
Is there any chance exasound e20 dac will work with bdp2 via USB?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 26 Dec 2013, 03:53 pm
James, Any idea if the music could be sorted by album in future updates?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Dec 2013, 04:35 pm
James, Any idea if the music could be sorted by album in future updates?

Hi

That would be a Chris question - so far I think only by Artist.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 27 Dec 2013, 11:44 pm
Chris,
So how about it?
Will I be able to sort by albums?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Dec 2013, 06:17 pm
Chris,
So how about it?
Will I be able to sort by albums?

The feature already exists,  the video below covers how to use the feature and other things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec8PMgXzd-A

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Dec 2013, 06:20 pm
Is there any chance exasound e20 dac will work with bdp2 via USB?

Only if they ever release alsa compatible drivers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jhameeh on 9 Jan 2014, 12:23 am
What is error 05? How will I solve this?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jan 2014, 02:02 am
Error 05 means the BDP has detected a power spoke in the line and is turning off its linear supply to protect it and the rest of the electronics.  Some power conditioners have been known to trip error 05 (over voltage) and error 04 (under voltage), so if the BDP is plugged into one try the BDP unplugged from the power conditioner.

Trying to catch under voltage or over voltage isn't possible with a multimeter due to the length of time they occur.  Essentially you would need an oscilloscope with an appropriate transformer to lower the voltage as to not fry your expensive oscilloscope.  Multimeters take a few reading every second and display an average, where an oscilloscope is taking millions if not billions of reading per second and displays each measurement taken usually in the form of a wave form.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: rompolompo on 10 Jan 2014, 07:30 pm
Only if they ever release alsa compatible drivers

As long as they use USB Audio Class 2.0 specs you will not need dedicated drivers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jan 2014, 09:17 pm
The e20 dac is proprietary

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: rompolompo on 13 Jan 2014, 01:04 am
Indeed.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Jan 2014, 06:45 pm
Are there options for color of the display on BDP-2 like on SP3?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 16 Jan 2014, 06:54 pm
Blue and green I believe.
I have the blu led's on the BDP-2+BDA-2 and mah 28's
For me the blu against the black face plate visually takes them to another level for eye appeal.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Jan 2014, 07:13 pm
Blue and green I believe.
I have the blu led's on the BDP-2+BDA-2 and mah 28's
For me the blu against the black face plate visually takes them to another level for eye appeal.

Cool! So the BDP-2 has a lit power button like the BDA-2?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 17 Jan 2014, 02:48 am
Yes both have the led right above the button,my flash on the camera is to hot for a good close up,
the flash thins out the blue  somewhat but gives you an idea.
But even this so/so shot the blu led's look 1000%better than the green against the black :thumb:.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93125)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jhameeh on 17 Jan 2014, 03:53 am
Mine is all green  :thumb:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3734/11840762094_3a1a98d87e_z.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11841116856_9dc2652ce9_z.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3740/11841111306_67a197aa80_z.jpg)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 17 Jan 2014, 03:39 pm
Beautiful!! Thank you fellas!!

My BHA-1 and BDA-2 have green LEDs but I might just have the BDP in blue! Mine have silver front panels, though.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Jan 2014, 12:35 pm
Hello!

I read in the opening post that BDP-2 will be ready for USB 3.0. Has this feature been implemented?

Also, I read on many occassions that BDP-2 is much faster than BDP-1 when loading times are in question. Can anyone give me an example? For instance, once the BDP-2 is powered on, how long does it take for it load your hard drive / USB key and how large is your drive?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jan 2014, 01:23 pm
Hello!

I read in the opening post that BDP-2 will be ready for USB 3.0. Has this feature been implemented?

Also, I read on many occassions that BDP-2 is much faster than BDP-1 when loading times are in question. Can anyone give me an example? For instance, once the BDP-2 is powered on, how long does it take for it load your hard drive / USB key and how large is your drive?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

We have not incorporated USB 3 yet as we find it is really not necessary as USB 2 is 10 times faster than what is required to playback high resolution music files.

james

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Jan 2014, 03:51 pm
Hi Antun

We have not incorporated USB 3 yet as we find it is really not necessary as USB 2 is 10 times faster than what is required to playback high resolution music files.

james

Thank you James!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2014, 03:53 pm
Hello!

I read in the opening post that BDP-2 will be ready for USB 3.0. Has this feature been implemented?

Also, I read on many occassions that BDP-2 is much faster than BDP-1 when loading times are in question. Can anyone give me an example? For instance, once the BDP-2 is powered on, how long does it take for it load your hard drive / USB key and how large is your drive?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun,

The microprocessor is 2-3 times faster in the BDP-2 then the BDP-1, to say whether or not this advantageous to your hardware configuration I can not say.  This increase in performance isn't seen everywhere, if something is already a "walk in the park" for the BDP-1 in the first place then the BDP-2 isn't likely to be any faster.  For example, reading the contents of a drive that is formatted as Fat32 isn't very CPU intensive in comparison to reading files off of a drive formatted as NTFS.  So where a BDP-1 might take 20 minutes to read the contents of an fat32 formatted drive, the BDP-2 will take an identical amount of time.  However if that drive is not fat32, but rather NTFS then the BDP-2 will take nearly half the time to read in the contents as the NTFS module is very CPU intense and will max out the resource.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2014, 04:00 pm
Until the development of the Manic Moose firmware, we have yet to get USB 3.0 to work any faster then USB 2.0 (slightly, but not enough to justify the cost).  The throughput of USB 3.0 will potentially be twice as much as USB 2.0.  I say potentially simply because the BDP-2 still does have limited processing capability.  Although USB 3.0 is 10x faster then USB 2.0, out USB 3.0 implementation will be slower due to the limitation of the BUS that the USB 3.0 controller will be connected to.  Now that the software works it just a matter of building the hardware, so if/when we release the option; existing BDP-2 should be upgradeable to USB 3.0 with a combination of hardware and software.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Jan 2014, 05:24 pm
Hi Antun,

The microprocessor is 2-3 times faster in the BDP-2 then the BDP-1, to say whether or not this advantageous to your hardware configuration I can not say.  This increase in performance isn't seen everywhere, if something is already a "walk in the park" for the BDP-1 in the first place then the BDP-2 isn't likely to be any faster.  For example, reading the contents of a drive that is formatted as Fat32 isn't very CPU intensive in comparison to reading files off of a drive formatted as NTFS.  So where a BDP-1 might take 20 minutes to read the contents of an fat32 formatted drive, the BDP-2 will take an identical amount of time.  However if that drive is not fat32, but rather NTFS then the BDP-2 will take nearly half the time to read in the contents as the NTFS module is very CPU intense and will max out the resource.

Cheers,
Chris

That is extremely helpful Chris, thank you!

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Jan 2014, 05:35 pm
Until the development of the Manic Moose firmware, we have yet to get USB 3.0 to work any faster then USB 2.0 (slightly, but not enough to justify the cost).  The throughput of USB 3.0 will potentially be twice as much as USB 2.0.  I say potentially simply because the BDP-2 still does have limited processing capability.  Although USB 3.0 is 10x faster then USB 2.0, out USB 3.0 implementation will be slower due to the limitation of the BUS that the USB 3.0 controller will be connected to.  Now that the software works it just a matter of building the hardware, so if/when we release the option; existing BDP-2 should be upgradeable to USB 3.0 with a combination of hardware and software.

Cheers,
Chris

That is interesting!

So, if you release a BDP with an even faster processor in the future, it will be better equipped to take advantage of the faster USB 3.0 interface? Surely that would spped up the response time even more.

But I was wondering, is BDP-2 powerful enough to run PCM or DSD files we might see in the future. Like those that have sample rates of 384kHz or DSD-64/128/256 or even DSD-512? It is questionable whether those formats have a future but I am curious. 

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Album Art
Post by: budcook on 19 Jan 2014, 06:25 pm
I have a BDP-2 running S1.73 2013-02.  Using FireFox to control Max 2 I am trying to get it to display all the Album Art in a play list.  When I click on Album, I get text naming the albums but no album art until I select one of the albums.  Is there a way to see the Album Art for all of the related albums in a playlist
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93299)
?

I seem to remember something about scratch drives but can't locate that Info..

Bud Cook

Title: Re: Album Art
Post by: unincognito on 19 Jan 2014, 08:36 pm
I have a BDP-2 running S1.73 2013-02.  Using FireFox to control Max 2 I am trying to get it to display all the Album Art in a play list.  When I click on Album, I get text naming the albums but no album art until I select one of the albums.  Is there a way to see the Album Art for all of the related albums in a playlist
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93299)
?

I seem to remember something about scratch drives but can't locate that Info..

Bud Cook

Hi Bud,

you need to select a scratch drive and then create the album art database, this is covered briefly in the last video post in the instructional video's and tutorials thread.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Album Art
Post by: budcook on 19 Jan 2014, 09:33 pm
Hi Bud,

you need to select a scratch drive and then create the album art database, this is covered briefly in the last video post in the instructional video's and tutorials thread.

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks Chris

Bud
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 20 Jan 2014, 04:30 pm
I like the BDP-2 . I've been enjoying it for a few months now.
 I didn't like Max 2 MPD that much because the text is too large to see my music in an Ipad
and the top gets cut off. I listen to classical music mostly and the movements and text are hard to see with Max 2. Anyway I downloaded the MPaD app which worked pretty well until recently when they was an upgrade. Now all of my music is alphabetical and  classical movements are out of order .There is no way to fix it.  It's really become a pain to use and there is no real alternative to the max 2 mpd or MPaD as long as I use an Ipad. Anyone have a suggestion

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: haxter1 on 20 Jan 2014, 05:09 pm
Sometimes the longest way around is the shortest way home.  What I do is create a playlist by copying what I want to hear on to a flashdrive and numbering them in the order that I want to listen to them. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2014, 05:19 pm
I like the BDP-2 . I've been enjoying it for a few months now.
 I didn't like Max 2 MPD that much because the text is too large to see my music in an Ipad
and the top gets cut off. I listen to classical music mostly and the movements and text are hard to see with Max 2. Anyway I downloaded the MPaD app which worked pretty well until recently when they was an upgrade. Now all of my music is alphabetical and  classical movements are out of order .There is no way to fix it.  It's really become a pain to use and there is no real alternative to the max 2 mpd or MPaD as long as I use an Ipad. Anyone have a suggestion

Hi

Save the MAX 2 to the IPAD desktop (don't use Safari) and use the Bryston icon - that way the top will not be cut off. 

Also in MAX 2 click on the gear in the center upper section and click on "Use file rather than tag data." which should help with your lists of files.

Also there is a small set of arrows in the top left section of MAX 2 - if you click on that your play list gets larger.

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=93359)


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 20 Jan 2014, 06:30 pm
thanks. Those work pretty well
still mad about MPaD downgrade
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 20 Jan 2014, 08:34 pm
I am using a Toshiba portable hard drive with the BDP-2
In trying to set up an album database I added the same toshiba drive twice
now when I start up the player is reading the songs twice and showing me with
double my song total. How do I get rid of the extra drive showing on the Max 2 when I start up?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jan 2014, 11:00 pm
I am using a Toshiba portable hard drive with the BDP-2
In trying to set up an album database I added the same toshiba drive twice
now when I start up the player is reading the songs twice and showing me with
double my song total. How do I get rid of the extra drive showing on the Max 2 when I start up?

Thats a Chris question - will forward.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jan 2014, 02:02 am
I'm not sure by what you mean "added it twice"?

Clicking the update button on the BDP's home page will force the BDP to rescan and recreate your database.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 27 Jan 2014, 09:29 am
Please, your help.
Now my bdp-2 is equipped with an internal 500 GB ssd hd.
My complete collection is about 1.3 TB, so now I have to storage about 800 GB, that will increase in the future, on an external drive.
Can I have your advice about the best solution ?
USB or ESATA self powered HD (in this case I'm thinking about a 2TB HD), or maybe two 500 GB HD connected to the bottom powered ports ? If the first way is better, please can I have also some advices about the best port to use and also about some good models ?
Thanks in advance, dino.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2014, 12:44 pm
Please, your help.
Now my bdp-2 is equipped with an internal 500 GB ssd hd.
My complete collection is about 1.3 TB, so now I have to storage about 800 GB, that will increase in the future, on an external drive.
Can I have your advice about the best solution ?
USB or ESATA self powered HD (in this case I'm thinking about a 2TB HD), or maybe two 500 GB HD connected to the bottom powered ports ? If the first way is better, please can I have also some advices about the best port to use and also about some good models ?
Thanks in advance, dino.

Hi Dino

Recommend USB for sure - I have used the Western Digital 2.5 inch USB Passport drives in 1TB  sizes with great success. There is no concern with which USB port you use on the BDP2 as it has a very large internal power supply.

james



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 27 Jan 2014, 01:02 pm
Hi Dino

Recommend USB for sure - I have used the Western Digital 2.5 inch USB Passport drives in 1TB  sizes with great success. There is no concern with which USB port you use on the BDP2 as it has a very large internal power supply.

james

Great, I have a 1Tb Passport at home, but I was afraid to use it, after I read on the manual about the limit of 1/2 Amp of current on the powered ports.
Thanks James.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2014, 01:07 pm
Great, I have a 1Tb Passport at home, but I was afraid to use it, after I read on the manual about the limit of 1/2 Amp of current on the powered ports.
Thanks James.

Thats only the BDP-1 - the BDP2 has a 5 Amp power supply.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 27 Jan 2014, 01:10 pm
Perfect !
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 3 Feb 2014, 03:51 pm
Is it possible when making a playlist on the BDP-2 to be able to with that play list somehow put what you selected onto a thumb drive.
Must be some kind of program where it can be as simple as,create a list and transfer somehow when on the BDP-2 with a click of the mouse.
Tried the click and drag workout and for me it's not happening,actually pisses me off .
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Feb 2014, 02:06 am
That is interesting!

So, if you release a BDP with an even faster processor in the future, it will be better equipped to take advantage of the faster USB 3.0 interface? Surely that would spped up the response time even more.

But I was wondering, is BDP-2 powerful enough to run PCM or DSD files we might see in the future. Like those that have sample rates of 384kHz or DSD-64/128/256 or even DSD-512? It is questionable whether those formats have a future but I am curious. 

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun,

We've played back dsd128 files on a BDP-1 & 2 successfully, I have yet to see any native DSD 256/512 or pcm 352; however if the BDP-1/2 can do DSD128 and they can they would ALSo be able to do pcm 352.  It seems to be if you have an OS stripped down enough as we do than you don't need all lot in the resource department.  Also I noticed something I said in the USB 3.0 statement that could easily be misinterpreted; we have no plans to make our own USB 3.0 controller, but to to use an existing and modify it for the BDP-2.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Feb 2014, 02:09 am
Is it possible when making a playlist on the BDP-2 to be able to with that play list somehow put what you selected onto a thumb drive.
Must be some kind of program where it can be as simple as,create a list and transfer somehow when on the BDP-2 with a click of the mouse.
Tried the click and drag workout and for me it's not happening,actually pisses me off .

I'm working on it, hope to have it done before salon son and image.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 4 Feb 2014, 04:09 am
Great stuff Chris and I see I'll have to raise your after midnight wages to...............lets see hows about a $1.49 per hour.
Alright already perhaps a few bonuses also,jeeez help a guy out and look what......... :thumb:,THX.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 16 Feb 2014, 12:18 am
Hi Chris; I have been enjoying my BDP-2 now for the past 9 months. I am running it to my DAC using the AES/EBU connection. Since this connection is essentially just passing 0's and 1's is there any added benefit to upgrading the cable itself. I know there is a definite audible difference between speaker cables and interconnects but was unsure if this was the case as well with properly shielded digital cables. Your thoughts???
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: EJS73 on 18 Feb 2014, 08:40 pm
Hi Chris; I have been enjoying my BDP-2 now for the past 9 months. I am running it to my DAC using the AES/EBU connection. Since this connection is essentially just passing 0's and 1's is there any added benefit to upgrading the cable itself. I know there is a definite audible difference between speaker cables and interconnects but was unsure if this was the case as well with properly shielded digital cables. Your thoughts???

Can't vouch for Chris, but this is still debated territory. When I compared a stock 75ohm coax cable, an expensive one and a highly expensive one, differences could clearly be heard. But then the BDP is miles beyond a mac mini that supplies the same 0s and 1s to the same DAC... clearly plenty of optimization left in the digital audio chain.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gdayton on 18 Feb 2014, 09:02 pm
Can't vouch for Chris, but this is still debated territory. When I compared a stock 75ohm coax cable, an expensive one and a highly expensive one, differences could clearly be heard. But then the BDP is miles beyond a mac mini that supplies the same 0s and 1s to the same DAC... clearly plenty of optimization left in the digital audio chain.
Yeah, I think any discussion about whether cables affect sound only matters in the context of the rest of the system. Thankfully, most of the dealers I've interacted with have been generous with weekend loans of cables for trials.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Feb 2014, 02:16 am
Hi Chris; I have been enjoying my BDP-2 now for the past 9 months. I am running it to my DAC using the AES/EBU connection. Since this connection is essentially just passing 0's and 1's is there any added benefit to upgrading the cable itself. I know there is a definite audible difference between speaker cables and interconnects but was unsure if this was the case as well with properly shielded digital cables. Your thoughts???

My opinion/experience/understanding has always been that when it comes to cables moving digital audio signals the quality doesn't matter as long as it's capable of sending the data.  With that said, this opinion hasn't stopped people from responding to my posts, calling, emailing about how much better there super duper gold plated silver cables sound.  There is a difference in quality, I'd like to think a Bryston made cable is going to hold up better then some cheap cable sold at your local best buy or even monster.

The analog side of things is different, I won't bother arguing that; you do want to keep the signal as clear as possible.  I will tell you I use 14gauge solid copper core electrical wire between my B135 and Model Mini T speakers, I do these to have as few contacts as possible exposed to the air.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 22 Feb 2014, 10:38 pm
Hi Chris;
That's what I thought and will stick to my Bryston AES/EBU and put the dough into the BOT-1 when it comes out!!!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 26 Feb 2014, 11:50 pm
Have anyone compared different USB Flash drives on the BDP-2 and noticed any difference in sound quality? I've been using Sandisk 32GB Cruzer Glides,  and the sound has been excellent. Recently I purchased a Kingston DataTraveler HyperX 256GB, and just copied over a few albums. Am I just imagining things here or does the Kingston drive have a slightly drier character? I have not done a direct A/B test by copying the same albums over to the Sandisks, so then it might be just my imagination, or can there be some explanation why some drives sound better than others?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2014, 12:52 am
Have anyone compared different USB Flash drives on the BDP-2 and noticed any difference in sound quality? I've been using Sandisk 32GB Cruzer Glides,  and the sound has been excellent. Recently I purchased a Kingston DataTraveler HyperX 256GB, and just copied over a few albums. Am I just imagining things here or does the Kingston drive have a slightly drier character? I have not done a direct A/B test by copying the same albums over to the Sandisks, so then it might be just my imagination, or can there be some explanation why some drives sound better than others?

Hi

No explanation I can offer but a number of customers seem to prefer the Cruzer.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 27 Feb 2014, 06:30 pm
Hi

No explanation I can offer but a number of customers seem to prefer the Cruzer.

james

OK, thanks. I've ordered two 128GB Cruzer Glides. They're quite cheap as they're considered low performance drives. Thankfully nobody knows they are high performance audio drives. That is until someone sees the opportunity to release them as the audiophile choice at an elevated price.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2014, 07:20 pm
OK, thanks. I've ordered two 128GB Cruzer Glides. They're quite cheap as they're considered low performance drives. Thankfully nobody knows they are high performance audio drives. That is until someone sees the opportunity to release them as the audiophile choice at an elevated price.

HI

The largest I could find was 64GB - where did you get the 128?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: werd on 27 Feb 2014, 09:19 pm
My opinion/experience/understanding has always been that when it comes to cables moving digital audio signals the quality doesn't matter as long as it's capable of sending the data.  With that said, this opinion hasn't stopped people from responding to my posts, calling, emailing about how much better there super duper gold plated silver cables sound.  There is a difference in quality, I'd like to think a Bryston made cable is going to hold up better then some cheap cable sold at your local best buy or even monster.

The analog side of things is different, I won't bother arguing that; you do want to keep the signal as clear as possible.  I will tell you I use 14gauge solid copper core electrical wire between my B135 and Model Mini T speakers, I do these to have as few contacts as possible exposed to the air.

Cheers
Chris

audio blasphemy!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 27 Feb 2014, 10:02 pm
HI

The largest I could find was 64GB - where did you get the 128?

james

The lowest price I could find here in Europe was Pixmania: link (http://www.pixmania.co.uk/usb-key/sandisk-sandisk-cruzer-glide-usb-flash-drive-128-gb-usb-2-0/19357433-a.html#description)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2014, 11:50 pm
The lowest price I could find here in Europe was Pixmania: link (http://www.pixmania.co.uk/usb-key/sandisk-sandisk-cruzer-glide-usb-flash-drive-128-gb-usb-2-0/19357433-a.html#description)

OK thanks - I will have a look over here

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 28 Feb 2014, 08:18 am
OK thanks - I will have a look over here

james
They seem to have them at Amazon here. (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Glide-Flash-SDCZ60-128G-B35/dp/B007YX9OGW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393575086&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+cruzer+glide+128)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 2 Mar 2014, 08:58 pm
I have a BDP-2/BDA-2 combination and I'm quite happy with it.  However, I was wondering if anyone has experience with streamers and can offer an opinion about the pros and cons of them vs something like the BDP.

Bud
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 3 Mar 2014, 07:21 am
I'm running a Sonos as well as a BDP-2 into my BDA-2. I know this may sound... goofy, but the BDP-2 makes music sound more natural... more like music. The Sonos gets the job done and works great for ambient music when i want control from a room or two away. But for any time I sit down and listen/enjoy music, the BDP-2 makes all the difference in the world. It makes me tap my toes, literally. The Sonos does no such thing. And that's using identical FLAC files from my server. When I use streaming services (Rhapsody, Last.fm, MOG, etc.), the quality goes down due to compression.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: budcook on 3 Mar 2014, 01:35 pm
I'm running a Sonos as well as a BDP-2 into my BDA-2. I know this may sound... goofy, but the BDP-2 makes music sound more natural... more like music. The Sonos gets the job done and works great for ambient music when i want control from a room or two away. But for any time I sit down and listen/enjoy music, the BDP-2 makes all the difference in the world. It makes me tap my toes, literally. The Sonos does no such thing. And that's using identical FLAC files from my server. When I use streaming services (Rhapsody, Last.fm, MOG, etc.), the quality goes down due to compression.

Thanks for the response.  There really isn't any reason to switch to a streamer unless it would improve sound quality over the BDP-2 and I doubt there is anything out there that could accomplish that. 

Bud
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2014, 02:00 am
A squeezebox client is coming to the BDP in a future firmware upgrade, should give you all the streaming features you'd want.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 4 Mar 2014, 02:06 am
A squeezebox client is coming to the BDP in a future firmware upgrade, should give you all the streaming features you'd want.

Cheers
Chris

Seriously?  Do I understand I will be able to use my BDP1 along with my Squeezebox?

Thanks.

Mike

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2014, 02:30 am
Should be, I've tested a BDP-1 and BDP-2 together using the squeezebox server and client software(iphone).  I suppose should test it with our squeezebox touch.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 21 Mar 2014, 08:22 pm
Implementing the Sqeezeserver to the Bdp2 is great news  :thumb:
The Sqeezepad app is very good, can I use it to play from my soon to arrive Bdp2 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mr_bill on 21 Mar 2014, 10:26 pm
Should be, I've tested a BDP-1 and BDP-2 together using the squeezebox server and client software(iphone).  I suppose should test it with our squeezebox touch.

Cheers
Chris

Chris
Does this mean the BDP can replace my Touch and stream my music as well as Pandora and Rhapsody ( which the Touch does)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mr_bill on 26 Mar 2014, 02:57 pm
Hi again - Chris?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Mar 2014, 11:34 pm
Chris
Does this mean the BDP can replace my Touch and stream my music as well as Pandora and Rhapsody ( which the Touch does)?

Well I havn't had much of a chance the play with the squeezebox client app, but if squeezebox can do it this app should handle it.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mr_bill on 27 Mar 2014, 12:54 am
Chris,
If I understand this correctly, I run the squeezebox app on my iphone like normal (how I use with my Touch) and in the players, I am able to select the BDP-1 instead of the Touch or Duet and I will be able to stream through the Bryston - accessing the squeezebox apps like pandora, access my files through squeezebox manager on my computer?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: sfraser on 27 Mar 2014, 03:26 pm
That is amazing!!! Now i have a legitimate reason to purchase a BDP!  ( I already have a 7-8 squeezboxzin's in various form factors) Chris what particular Squeezeserver S/W version are you writing the client for?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikeyaya on 2 Apr 2014, 10:53 pm
So I just bought a BDP-2 and BDA 2 and will start ripping CD's. I have a Mac computer and will rip with Itunes, what is better AIFF or Apple Lossless.  I have experimented with both and the tagging of Lossless is much better and faster than AIFF.   I have not figured out what sounds better yet.    I really could care less about album artwork.    Should I rip with a Mac or should I buy a PC and use DB poweramp to rip.   I have 1500 CD's to rip and I do not want to do this twice.

For all the experienced guys here please advise.  Thanks 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 2 Apr 2014, 11:21 pm
what I've gathered and what Chris recommended for me was DB Poweramp.
I ripped 540 cds(7,240)songs on a weekend.
Dbpoweramp is very user friendly and it tells you if certain tracks were ripped accurate or not and you can re rip the ones that are not.
That's without disrupting the set list you were ripping.
This was my first time getting into this side of digital and I do not miss my cdp.
I also use the BDA-2 and BDP-2 and I'm more than satisfied,especially for convenience and sound quality.
They say the DB is very good,and for me if the sound was any less than the cd I'd look for another ripper.
To me it is superb :thumb:.

Chris also recommended a Gigabit switch which makes ripping a lot faster.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mag on 3 Apr 2014, 12:26 am
Don't forget when ripping to wav file use jitter correction, error correction with other software.
Takes about 20 minutes on average cd as opposed to 5 minutes or less, but the sound quality is noticeably better.

If your ripping to Flac or something else then I don't know, haven't used lossless compression.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: sfraser on 3 Apr 2014, 02:36 pm
While ALAC and FLAC should sound identical, i would suggest ripping to FLAC,  as ALAC is an Apple proprietary format and FLAC is a open standard. In the long term FLAC should turn out to be more flexible, for playing on  non Apple devices (car stereo via USB thumb drive  for instance).Apple decided not to support the FLAC standard : ( apparently they know better  :roll:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikeyaya on 4 Apr 2014, 01:35 pm
So does it make sense to buy a PC in order to use dbpoweramp ?  I only have a Mac at this time so I would need a PC.   Is the sound quality better with a PC ripping with dbpoweramp or a Mac ripping with iTunes Apple lossless ?    How long does it take for the bdp2 to break in ? 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 4 Apr 2014, 02:11 pm
Why not just give Chris Rice a call(toll free)at Bryston.
No trial and error :thumb:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Apr 2014, 03:24 pm
So does it make sense to buy a PC in order to use dbpoweramp ?  I only have a Mac at this time so I would need a PC.   Is the sound quality better with a PC ripping with dbpoweramp or a Mac ripping with iTunes Apple lossless ?    How long does it take for the bdp2 to break in ?

Hi Mike

You will get many different opinions on the quality of ripping programs but most are very similar and most people choose the one that meets their needs in terms of features and products owned.  I have both MAC and Windows systems and generally rip in AIFF in MAC and Wave or Flac Lossless in DB Poweramp.  I would not buy a PC computer just for ripping if you already have a MAC.

We torture test the BDP's at Bryston so there is not a lot of breakin required in my opinion although I have to admit things seem to sound better after a few days - may just be my imagination!!!!

Hope this helps

james



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: sfraser on 4 Apr 2014, 08:33 pm
So does it make sense to buy a PC in order to use dbpoweramp ?  I only have a Mac at this time so I would need a PC.   Is the sound quality better with a PC ripping with dbpoweramp or a Mac ripping with iTunes Apple lossless ?    How long does it take for the bdp2 to break in ?

I agree with James, it is  not worth buying a new computer just to rip. My point above was to indicate that one lossless format ALAC is proprietary while the other is an open standard. Both "should" sound identical as they are both  lossless. Ripping a music library can take a considerable amount time, best to pick a format that will be flexible enough for all your current and future applications so you don't have to trans code in the future.

Cheers,
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RonCH on 4 Apr 2014, 10:00 pm
I agree with James, it is  not worth buying a new computer just to rip. My point above was to indicate that one lossless format ALAC is proprietary while the other is an open standard. Both "should" sound identical as they are both  lossless. Ripping a music library can take a considerable amount time, best to pick a format that will be flexible enough for all your current and future applications so you don't have to trans code in the future.

Cheers,

ALAC is now Open Source and available under the Apache Open Source license.  See http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/10/after-seven-years-apple-open-sources-its-apple-lossless-audio-codec/ and http://alac.macosforge.org/



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: sfraser on 5 Apr 2014, 01:01 pm
Exellent! Glad to see Apple do that. Thanks for posting RonCH. Do you know if other S/W are adopting ALAC?

Nice thing about standards......so many to choose from!.

Cheers

Scott
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RonCH on 7 Apr 2014, 03:44 pm
Exellent! Glad to see Apple do that. Thanks for posting RonCH. Do you know if other S/W are adopting ALAC?

Nice thing about standards......so many to choose from!.

Cheers

Scott

From wikipedia:

The open source library libavcodec incorporates both a decoder and an encoder for Apple Lossless format, which means that media players based on that library (including VLC media player and MPlayer, as well as many media center applications for home theater computers, such as Plex, XBMC, and Boxee) are able to play Apple Lossless files. The library was subsequently optimized for ARM processors and included in Rockbox. foobar2000 will also play Apple Lossless files as will JRiver Media Center and BitPerfect.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 18 Apr 2014, 06:47 pm
Help! Chris! I am getting error 09 again. Underneath it is 167
Nothing will play!
I've tried unplugging and resetting my router.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 18 Apr 2014, 09:47 pm
Don't forget when ripping to wav file use jitter correction, error correction with other software.
Takes about 20 minutes on average cd as opposed to 5 minutes or less, but the sound quality is noticeably better.

If your ripping to Flac or something else then I don't know, haven't used lossless compression.

Would you please explain what other program you use for jitter correction .
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 1 May 2014, 07:36 pm
Can I play DSD files with my Bdp2 ?
What output do I use? My dac is, besides Bda2, Auralic Vega DSD dac.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gdayton on 1 May 2014, 08:07 pm
Once we launch the new version of firmware (forthcoming soon!), then yes.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 2 May 2014, 04:16 pm
What output do you plan for outputting DSD from the Bdp2 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2014, 04:36 pm
What output do you plan for outputting DSD from the Bdp2 ?

USB

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2014, 04:54 am
What output do you plan for outputting DSD from the Bdp2 ?

It must also be a standard USB Sound Class 2 compatible USB DAC that supports DoP
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mav52 on 3 May 2014, 12:10 pm
USB

james
About freaking time for the BDP-2  :thumb:

  ps: James so when will the BDA be able to handle DSD files ???????
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 12:20 pm
About freaking time for the BDP-2  :thumb:

  ps: James so when will the BDA be able to handle DSD files ???????

Thats a complicated question as there are many issues to consider.

For example - in our DAC's  the sample rate converter on the input is used with all PCM digital signals and it reduces jitter quite effectively. So you are faced with having DSD capability in your DAC but degrading PCM performance because you have to bypass the sample rate converter. Plus we have found that most DSD circuits upsample all the PCM digital signals coming in and do not play the file in its Native resolution.

Given that most digital music is PCM and will continue to be so you are almost faced with the dilemma of requiring two different types of circuit paths in one DAC or two separate DAC's that optimizes both PCM and DSD options independently.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 3 May 2014, 10:02 pm
USB

james
Will one of the USB input be used as output?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 10:51 pm
Will one of the USB input be used as output?

Hi

USB connections are 2Way so any connection can be used.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mav52 on 3 May 2014, 11:35 pm
Thats a complicated question as there are many issues to consider.

For example - in our DAC's  the sample rate converter on the input is used with all PCM digital signals and it reduces jitter quite effectively. So you are faced with having DSD capability in your DAC but degrading PCM performance because you have to bypass the sample rate converter. Plus we have found that most DSD circuits upsample all the PCM digital signals coming in and do not play the file in its Native resolution.

Given that most digital music is PCM and will continue to be so you are almost faced with the dilemma of requiring two different types of circuit paths in one DAC or two separate DAC's that optimizes both PCM and DSD options independently.

james

Makes sense James

ah, you could always just design a small under $500 DSD only dac.  :roll: 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 May 2014, 11:59 pm
Makes sense James

ah, you could always just design a small under $500 DSD only dac.  :roll:

That is an option.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 4 May 2014, 06:17 pm
That is an option.

james


...so then yes, please :D

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 27 May 2014, 09:14 pm
I currently have a USB stick connected to one of the front USB ports on my BDP-2 player and the main folder is called Music.

If I connect a second USB stick to the other front USB port of my BDP-2 player, can it be the same make/model and size as my existing USB stick and can the main folder also be called Music?

If not, how do I handle this?

If so, how do I differentiate one USB stick from the other in MPad (iPad Mini)?



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2014, 10:38 am
Hi Folks,

Here is a link to the new BDP-2 'Getting Started" User Guide.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy41k54w7xod1tv/BDP2%20Getting%20Started%20Guide.pdf

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil on 28 May 2014, 01:44 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is a link to the new BDP-2 'Getting Started" User Guide.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy41k54w7xod1tv/BDP2%20Getting%20Started%20Guide.pdf

james

Great to see you are improving all aspects of your products.  This is excellent documentation that is easy to follow (and answered a few of my questions about the BDP-2's capabilities).

Nicely done!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2014, 02:26 pm
Hi Guys,
 
Some customer within the last week have been having difficulties upgrading there firmware, I have written an article on an alternative method for upgrading the firmware and troubleshooting the issue.
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Loony%20Loon%20Firmware%20Upgrading%20Difficulties.pdf
 
Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 28 May 2014, 03:16 pm
Do you recommend this new firmware for BDP-1?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2014, 03:35 pm
Do you recommend this new firmware for BDP-1?

HI

Yes it can be used on the BDP-1 as well.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 28 May 2014, 03:52 pm
Thats a complicated question as there are many issues to consider.

For example - in our DAC's  the sample rate converter on the input is used with all PCM digital signals and it reduces jitter quite effectively. So you are faced with having DSD capability in your DAC but degrading PCM performance because you have to bypass the sample rate converter. Plus we have found that most DSD circuits upsample all the PCM digital signals coming in and do not play the file in its Native resolution.

Given that most digital music is PCM and will continue to be so you are almost faced with the dilemma of requiring two different types of circuit paths in one DAC or two separate DAC's that optimizes both PCM and DSD options independently.

james

James, regarding DSD,

it might be worth taking a look at the PS Audio DirectStream DAC. It converts all input data, either DSD or PCM, into 10x the rate of standard DSD. It then applies a filter in the output to convert the signal to analog. No IC DACs are used.

DSD is a matter of advertisement. It is important to have the feature but what good does it really bring apart from sheer compatibility with but a handful of music albums? Isn't it apparent that problems regarding DSD aren't associated just with the wide acceptance factor for masses? The problems are of a mechanical nature and this is the main reason why very few are using it. Editing DSD files is difficult to say the least. Workstations that can handle real-time editing apart from cut, move, delete etc. are few, not to mention those that can apply different effects. This is the reason why most DSD files are basically DSD-PCM-DSD files. Meaning the event was captured in DSD but was then transcoded to PCM for editing and was then again transcoded to DSD to be played in DSD-capable machines. Isn't that a bit nutty? Can we honestly say that this is better than pure PCM?

I am glad that Bryston is taking the time to think about it and not just „surfing the waves“. I can see that Berkeley design is doing the same thing. For those who want DSD, a PC application is supplied to convert DSD to PCM to be used with their Alpha DAC. But hey, if Bryston decides to make a DSD-only DAC, then it might be a welcome addition.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2014, 04:13 pm
James, regarding DSD,

it might be worth taking a look at the PS Audio DirectStream DAC. It converts all input data, either DSD or PCM, into 10x the rate of standard DSD. It then applies a filter in the output to convert the signal to analog. No IC DACs are used.

DSD is a matter of advertisement. It is important to have the feature but what good does it really bring apart from sheer compatibility with but a handful of music albums? Isn't it apparent that problems regarding DSD aren't associated just with the wide acceptance factor for masses? The problems are of a mechanical nature and this is the main reason why very few are using it. Editing DSD files is difficult to say the least. Workstations that can handle real-time editing apart from cut, move, delete etc. are few, not to mention those that can apply different effects. This is the reason why most DSD files are basically DSD-PCM-DSD files. Meaning the event was captured in DSD but was then transcoded to PCM for editing and was then again transcoded to DSD to be played in DSD-capable machines. Isn't that a bit nutty? Can we honestly say that this is better than pure PCM?

I am glad that Bryston is taking the time to think about it and not just „surfing the waves“. I can see that Berkeley design is doing the same thing. For those who want DSD, a PC application is supplied to convert DSD to PCM to be used with their Alpha DAC. But hey, if Bryston decides to make a DSD-only DAC, then it might be a welcome addition.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

I agree that this is an exercise in marketing and we are not going to rush into it. 

We have looked at the PS Audio idea which is an option but just do not like the idea of up-sampling PCM  or DSD as opposed to playing the Native file as is.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 28 May 2014, 04:22 pm
Hi Antun

I agree that this is an exercise in marketing and we are not going to rush into it. 

We have looked at the PS Audio idea which is an option but just do not like the idea of up-sampling PCM  or DSD as opposed to playing the Native file as is.

james

Hi James!

Surely enough, the "purity" approach is the reason I like your BDA-2 so much. It is my reference DAC  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: scottsol on 28 May 2014, 06:29 pm
Hi Guys,
 
Some customer within the last week have been having difficulties upgrading there firmware, I have written an article on an alternative method for upgrading the firmware and troubleshooting the issue.
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/DOCS/Loony%20Loon%20Firmware%20Upgrading%20Difficulties.pdf
 
Cheers,
Chris


This enabled me to go from S1.73 to S1.75, but, of course, I want S2 stuff.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 28 May 2014, 10:10 pm

This enabled me to go from S1.73 to S1.75, but, of course, I want S2 stuff.

I have the same experience. :scratch:


S1.75 2014-05-01
Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
MPD: 0.15.12
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2014, 10:29 pm
Hi Guys

Email Gary and he will assist.

gdayton@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 29 May 2014, 12:51 am
Alternative files exist for manic moose (S2.XX) as well, they are the files that end with alt.bin

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 29 May 2014, 06:04 am
Alternative files exist for manic moose (S2.XX) as well, they are the files that end with alt.bin

Cheers
Chris



After loading the “alternative.bin” file from Post #655 the following was shown:
“Update Started - 2014/5/29-5:32:41
Downloading New Firmware (this may take awhile)- 2014/5/29-5:32:41
BDPDONE”

Thereafter BDP-2’s panel showed “BEGINNING” for 16 minutes; then “RESTARTING”.

The end result was an upgrade to :
“S1.75 2014-05-01
Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
MPD: 0.15.12
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010”

No mention of S2. If the S2 files are included in the “alternative.bin” file, how do we access them?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 30 May 2014, 02:01 am


After loading the “alternative.bin” file from Post #655 the following was shown:
“Update Started - 2014/5/29-5:32:41
Downloading New Firmware (this may take awhile)- 2014/5/29-5:32:41
BDPDONE”

Thereafter BDP-2’s panel showed “BEGINNING” for 16 minutes; then “RESTARTING”.

The end result was an upgrade to :
“S1.75 2014-05-01
Build: Loony Loon (RELEASE)
MPD: 0.15.12
Kernel: 2.6.32-5-486
Copyright Bryston Ltd. 2010”

No mention of S2. If the S2 files are included in the “alternative.bin” file, how do we access them?

For manic moose (S2.XX) a the files you need are posted on the first page of this thread

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119878.0

Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 30 May 2014, 02:35 am
Thank you, Chris.

Garry Dayton sent me an email containing two bin files. I have succeeded in upgrading to Manic Moose by using the ".bin" file rather than the "alternative" mentioned in Post # 655. It seems to be working. I have come across a reference to a Manic Moose Manual - is this available?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2014, 02:42 am
Thank you, Chris.

Garry Dayton sent me an email containing two bin files. I have succeeded in upgrading to Manic Moose by using the ".bin" file rather than the "alternative" mentioned in Post # 655. It seems to be working. I have come across a reference to a Manic Moose Manual - is this available?


Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy41k54w7xod1tv/BDP2%20Getting%20Started%20Guide.pdf

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 30 May 2014, 03:01 am

Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy41k54w7xod1tv/BDP2%20Getting%20Started%20Guide.pdf

james



Hello James:

That seems to be a link to the BDP-2 "Getting Started" brochure. :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2014, 10:00 am


Hello James:

That seems to be a link to the BDP-2 "Getting Started" brochure. :scratch:

Sorry thought that was what you meant - you are looking for a manual?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 30 May 2014, 10:19 am
Sorry thought that was what you meant - you are looking for a manual?

james

What I asked for was the Manic Moose Manual - mentioned in the "Settings — Music Player Daemon"  viz: "Please note: You should consult the Manic Moose manual before making changes".
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2014, 11:16 am
What I asked for was the Manic Moose Manual - mentioned in the "Settings — Music Player Daemon"  viz: "Please note: You should consult the Manic Moose manual before making changes".

Ok - now I understand - full manual is still being worked on.  What did you want to change?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 30 May 2014, 11:28 am
Ok - now I understand - full manual is still being worked on.  What did you want to change?

james

Nothing at this stage. The reference to a manual was interesting and I hoped it might be available and useful with respect to other aspects.

Thank you for clearing that up.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 May 2014, 04:35 pm
Hi Folks,

So far these are the DSD DAC units which we have tested that will work with BDP-2 and the new Manic Moose software.

Bricasti – M1

EMM XDS-1 – B2

Schitt

AYRIES QB9

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 30 May 2014, 05:18 pm
Hi Folks,

Here is a link to the new BDP-2 'Getting Started" User Guide.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy41k54w7xod1tv/BDP2%20Getting%20Started%20Guide.pdf

james

Congratulations on a well presented guide, James. The lucid illustrations and graphics, clear, crisp language, and logical layout offer excellent guidance. This is a fine model for other quickstarts and for product manuals.

Well done,

Rich
____________________
Whiney Napa Valley
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 31 May 2014, 03:05 am
Manic Moose help!
Well I purchased a CF Card reader/writer and a 8 GB CF Card. I took the top of the BDP-2 and was able to remove the CF Card inside.
Started steps 1 &2 of the downloads. But when I got to the part to click open the file there was no file or no file association (whatever that means).
I can see that it is close to 4 GB on the CF but I cant seem to open it. Any help for this poorly qualified computer hack would be appreciated.
Can I just buy a CF Card with the Manic Moose on it?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2014, 09:45 am
Manic Moose help!
Well I purchased a CF Card reader/writer and a 8 GB CF Card. I took the top of the BDP-2 and was able to remove the CF Card inside.
Started steps 1 &2 of the downloads. But when I got to the part to click open the file there was no file or no file association (whatever that means).
I can see that it is close to 4 GB on the CF but I cant seem to open it. Any help for this poorly qualified computer hack would be appreciated.
Can I just buy a CF Card with the Manic Moose on it?

Hi Ozzy

Yes we can send you a card with MM installed.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 31 May 2014, 07:11 pm
Thank you. Will you be able to just send it or is there anything else I need to do?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2014, 07:12 pm
Thank you. Will you be able to just send it or is there anything else I need to do?

just email me at jamestanner@bryston.com and I will send you one.

Where are you located?

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 31 May 2014, 07:33 pm
Thank you. I live in Michigan. I just sent you an email describing the problem I'm having a little more in detail.
Ken
Title: Files that come with external drives
Post by: MoPac on 18 Jun 2014, 08:23 pm
 Tried a BDP1 when it first came out.  It did not see a Toshiba Canvio 500GB (NTSF).  The Canvio, like most, drives come with some folders and/or files included.  Is it advisable to delete these folders / files and have only the music files on the drive?  Did the BDP1 initially have issues with NTFS?
 It's been a few years so I would like to retry the BDP.

 Also, does Mpad use the first picture file it sees in the folder with the music tracks for the album art regardless of the file name?  LMS dose this which makes the album art issue I read about so often a non issue.
  Thanks, MoPac
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 18 Jun 2014, 08:52 pm
 I'm new at this so on the first reply posted I accidentally changed the title of the reply.  I'll try again.

 Tried the BDP1 when it first came out.  Sounded great, but it did not se a Toshiba Canvio 500GB (NTSF).  The Canvio, like most drives, came with some folders/files.  Is it advisable do delete these folders/files an have only the music folders on the drive?  Did the initial BDP have issues with NTSF?

 Also, unrelated, does MPad use album art files found in the same folder as the music tracks regardless of the album art file name?  LMS does this which makes album art a non issue; Seems like the internet gets it wrong too often.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jun 2014, 01:58 am
I'm new at this so on the first reply posted I accidentally changed the title of the reply.  I'll try again.

 Tried the BDP1 when it first came out.  Sounded great, but it did not se a Toshiba Canvio 500GB (NTSF).  The Canvio, like most drives, came with some folders/files.  Is it advisable do delete these folders/files an have only the music folders on the drive?  Did the initial BDP have issues with NTSF?

 Also, unrelated, does MPad use album art files found in the same folder as the music tracks regardless of the album art file name?  LMS does this which makes album art a non issue; Seems like the internet gets it wrong too often.

You specify a file name in the advance settings for the player, I believe it is cap sensitive.  If you use the Bryston database feature it will take the priority name (user selectable in manic moose) or the first picture file in dictionary order and create a picture file the same consistent name.

Going by memory I think

Loony loon is folder.jpg

Manic moose is bdp_cover.jpg

I'll try to confirm those file names tommorrow, but if you run it and check your music folders you'll see the picture files.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 20 Jun 2014, 09:43 pm
I cant seem to print the Manic Moose Manual. Can you set it up differently or send it to me via email?
Ken
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2014, 10:06 pm
Sure email me at jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 20 Jun 2014, 10:48 pm
HELP
I just purchased a BDP-2 to replace my BDP-1. The hard drive with a very large library of files is not recognized by the BDP-2 (same drive I have used with the BDP-1). Now I have nothing to listen to. The replacement to the BDP-2 was done as my library is quite large and the BDP-1 was becoming a bit overwhelmed. Why should the same drive not be recognized? It is a NTSF formatted 4TB drive that the BDP-1 had no problem identifying. The drive is OK. The USB ports are OK as thumb drives are recognized. The new BDP-2 has the latest Loony Loon software loaded. Would Manic Moose make a difference? If so, how do I get it? I am really confounded by this problem as the BDP-1 was really easy to setup without any issues.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jun 2014, 10:04 am
HELP
I just purchased a BDP-2 to replace my BDP-1. The hard drive with a very large library of files is not recognized by the BDP-2 (same drive I have used with the BDP-1). Now I have nothing to listen to. The replacement to the BDP-2 was done as my library is quite large and the BDP-1 was becoming a bit overwhelmed. Why should the same drive not be recognized? It is a NTSF formatted 4TB drive that the BDP-1 had no problem identifying. The drive is OK. The USB ports are OK as thumb drives are recognized. The new BDP-2 has the latest Loony Loon software loaded. Would Manic Moose make a difference? If so, how do I get it? I am really confounded by this problem as the BDP-1 was really easy to setup without any issues.

Hi Ned

I will forward to Chris for you. 

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 21 Jun 2014, 10:26 am
HELP
I just purchased a BDP-2 to replace my BDP-1. The hard drive with a very large library of files is not recognized by the BDP-2 (same drive I have used with the BDP-1). Now I have nothing to listen to. The replacement to the BDP-2 was done as my library is quite large and the BDP-1 was becoming a bit overwhelmed. Why should the same drive not be recognized? It is a NTSF formatted 4TB drive that the BDP-1 had no problem identifying. The drive is OK. The USB ports are OK as thumb drives are recognized. The new BDP-2 has the latest Loony Loon software loaded. Would Manic Moose make a difference? If so, how do I get it? I am really confounded by this problem as the BDP-1 was really easy to setup without any issues.

In the past I had such problems with BDP1 and 3TB Seagate drive.
You may consider following alternative: use a router that allows you to attach the drive to it. This way you will have a NAS. Connect the BDP to the network and attach media library as NAS
Since I switched from USB to NAS setup ( I have Zyxel NAS ) I find my life much simpler.
Best!

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jun 2014, 03:30 pm
Manic moose does use a new rebuilt USB mount program that we have so far found to be much more efficient, more information regarding upgrading to manic moose can be found within the first post of this page

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119878.0

If you wish to continue using loony loon you should check and see if the drive appears in the disk utility, disk utility is found in the drop down menu found on the BDP's home page.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 21 Jun 2014, 04:31 pm
Manic moose does use a new rebuilt USB mount program that we have so far found to be much more efficient, more information regarding upgrading to manic moose can be found within the first post of this page

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119878.0

If you wish to continue using loony loon you should check and see if the drive appears in the disk utility, disk utility is found in the drop down menu found on the BDP's home page.

Cheers
Chris

The drive does not appear in disk utility -so strange as the drive worked fine in the BDP-1. Downloading Manic Moose now and I will report back.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 22 Jun 2014, 08:15 pm
We'll I loaded Manic Moose and the 4TB NTSF formatted drive previously recognized by my BDP-1 is absolutely not recognized by my new BDP-2. I just don't get it. Connected to a computer all is fine. Thumb drives are recognized by the BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 23 Jun 2014, 08:04 pm
Hi, James
 I am very interested in the BDP2.  In your intro you stated a requirement concerning the internal drive install;  "...it must be fitted by authorized personnel."

1.  Am I an authorized person?
2.  If 1= NO, do I supply a drive to my dealer and have them install?
3.  If 1= YES and I goof up what happens to the warrantee?
4.  If 1= YES could you have the assembler leave those cover screws a little loose?  ( just kidding )!
5.  Are there any compatibility issues with any SSDs?
  Thanks, Mop
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jun 2014, 09:17 pm
Hi, James
 I am very interested in the BDP2.  In your intro you stated a requirement concerning the internal drive install;  "...it must be fitted by authorized personnel."

1.  Am I an authorized person?
2.  If 1= NO, do I supply a drive to my dealer and have them install?
3.  If 1= YES and I goof up what happens to the warrantee?
4.  If 1= YES could you have the assembler leave those cover screws a little loose?  ( just kidding )!
5.  Are there any compatibility issues with any SSDs?
  Thanks, Mop

Hi

We do not want to be responsible for the drive but as long as you can use a screw driver you are authorized :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2014, 12:51 pm
We'll I loaded Manic Moose and the 4TB NTSF formatted drive previously recognized by my BDP-1 is absolutely not recognized by my new BDP-2. I just don't get it. Connected to a computer all is fine. Thumb drives are recognized by the BDP-2.

Have you tried in other usb hard drives with the BDP-2?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 24 Jun 2014, 04:22 pm
Hi, Chris
 Can files be transferred to the internal drive from a drive plugged into one of the USBs.  The music is now on a good, but noisy, 2 TB drive. 
 Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 24 Jun 2014, 04:57 pm
Have you tried in other usb hard drives with the BDP-2?

Cheers,
Chris
Yes, my 2TB drive works fine. I just bought another 4TB hard drive and will be giving that a spin soon. I think the problem might be in the old hard drive USB interface. The cases I use are all USB 3. With the old drive (Lacie Blade Runner), if I connect to a computer with a USB 3 cable, all is fine. If I connect with a USB 2 cable the drive is not recognized. So something seems to have fizzled with the hard drive USB interface. With the old drive, the BDP-2 does not recognize it with either a USB 2/3 cable. There are no issues when using the BDP-2 with my Sans Digital hard drive (USB 3) cases with either a USB 2/3 cables. I guess it was serendipity that the old drive snapped when I swapped out the BDP-1 for the BDP-2.

By the way, Manic Moose is awesome. I can tell a lot of hard work went into its implementation and development. Great job and congratulations to the Manic Moose team!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 24 Jun 2014, 10:40 pm
All is working with a 4TB drive with use of a new drive enclosure. By the way, the WD Green drives are scary quiet - highly recommended.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 27 Jun 2014, 12:52 am
Since I've had the BDP-2 for  awhile and enjoying each upgrade,
curious if there is such a thing to FIGHT THE RECORDING LEVELS.
I have recordings from way back to today and of course they are all recorded at different levels,so play back levels are way out of wack as far as listening.                                                                                                                                                             just to keep your groove going so to speak,it would be nice if possible if there was a way to keep all volume levels the same without having to adjust accordingly.
Might not be possible but I think it would be a great feature if it could be done so recording levels were on par with each other:thumb:..
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 27 Jun 2014, 07:35 am
Hi

According to discussions on MM, there should be ability to use Replay Gain feature.
For this you need to apply gain tags to your collection. I use Foobar, select album, right click and Replay gain (as albums is my choice)
But I do not use MM (yet)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 27 Jun 2014, 06:10 pm
I'd be really interested in this too, IF I'm not modifying the file. Anyone have any experience with this?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 27 Jun 2014, 07:28 pm
My understanding is that ReplayGain is a tag in the .flac file and MPD will read this tag and adjust volume of the output
I use ReplayGain info when playing via Squeezebox Touch or via laptop with foobar.
I consider it very convenient when listening via BHA-1... the volume can dramatically jump from one album to another, no remote and headphones transfer the difference in volume directly to the eardrums...

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 4 Jul 2014, 04:07 pm
Hi, James
 Just ordered the BDP2.  Can't wait!
Couple of questions so I can prep.
,
Is it advisable to use a clean drive ( music files only ) or can the files that come with some drives be left on?
What 128 or 256 thumb drives work well with the BDP?

 Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jul 2014, 04:13 pm
Hi, James
 Just ordered the BDP2.  Can't wait!
Couple of questions so I can prep.
,
Is it advisable to use a clean drive ( music files only ) or can the files that come with some drives be left on?
What 128 or 256 thumb drives work well with the BDP?

 Thanks

Hi

CONGRATS  :thumb:

I typically delete all the files that come with the drive.  Any USB Thumb-drive I have tried works well with the BDP so I think the choice is wide open there.

Enjoy!

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CraigS720 on 7 Jul 2014, 03:53 pm
Newbie help needed!

Enjoying my new BDP-2. Getting used to Manic Moose. I installed two usb thumb drives and it works well. But when I added a 2TB hard drive, formatted HFS+ with 10,000 songs it only indexes about two thirds of the drive and the rest of the artists are in red. I took the drive out, rebooted and added another 2TB drive, rebooted and after updating it did the same thing. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for the help.

Craig
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jul 2014, 03:57 pm
Newbie help needed!

Enjoying my new BDP-2. Getting used to Manic Moose. I installed two usb thumb drives and it works well. But when I added a 2TB hard drive, formatted HFS+ with 10,000 songs it only indexes about two thirds of the drive and the rest of the artists are in red. I took the drive out, rebooted and added another 2TB drive, rebooted and after updating it did the same thing. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for the help.

Craig

Hi Craig

The drive should be formatted in FAT 32 or NTSF

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CraigS720 on 7 Jul 2014, 04:00 pm
Thanks James. I'll give that a try.

Craig
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Jul 2014, 12:46 am
Newbie help needed!

Enjoying my new BDP-2. Getting used to Manic Moose. I installed two usb thumb drives and it works well. But when I added a 2TB hard drive, formatted HFS+ with 10,000 songs it only indexes about two thirds of the drive and the rest of the artists are in red. I took the drive out, rebooted and added another 2TB drive, rebooted and after updating it did the same thing. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for the help.

Craig

You should check the MPD log to see if it's getting hung up on a file, if it is you should remove the last file listed and the file that would have been read next and try again.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CraigS720 on 9 Jul 2014, 02:20 pm
Thank you James and Chris. I reformatted the drive to FAT32 and cleaned up the database and now I am in business!

Best,

Craig
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: baddestdad on 9 Jul 2014, 09:31 pm
I am expecting the arrival of a new BDP-2 with Manic Moose.  I understand that Manic Moose permits the BDP-2 to process DSD files but do not know whether the processing is limited to L and R front channels to produce 2 channel output only or whether all channels  are processed and presented to the AES3 output.  Can someone with Manic Moose knowledge and experience clarify this for me.

Thanks, Bob
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2014, 10:05 pm
I am expecting the arrival of a new BDP-2 with Manic Moose.  I understand that Manic Moose permits the BDP-2 to process DSD files but do not know whether the processing is limited to L and R front channels to produce 2 channel output only or whether all channels  are processed and presented to the AES3 output.  Can someone with Manic Moose knowledge and experience clarify this for me.

Thanks, Bob

Hi Bob

Stereo only.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mr_bill on 9 Jul 2014, 10:17 pm
James,
Is there a link to a 'how to' update to Manic Moose software for the BDP-1?
I'm still running the old software.
Thanks,
Bill
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2014, 11:23 pm
James,
Is there a link to a 'how to' update to Manic Moose software for the BDP-1?
I'm still running the old software.
Thanks,
Bill

Hi Bill

Yes email Gary at

 -Gary Dayton <gdayton@bryston.com>
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 12 Jul 2014, 03:59 pm
I am expecting the arrival of a new BDP-2 with Manic Moose.


 I'm expecting my BDP2 in a couple weeks.  Do they all ship with MM or did you have to specify?

Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2014, 04:42 pm
I'm expecting my BDP2 in a couple weeks.  Do they all ship with MM or did you have to specify?

Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich

Any new production ships with MM.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 13 Jul 2014, 07:17 am
I'd be really interested in this too, IF I'm not modifying the file. Anyone have any experience with this?
One week ago I moved to MM and looked for ReplayGain settings, but could not find it
However, yesterday, when configuring Cantata (https://code.google.com/p/cantata/), I found ability to enable ReplayGain through its interface, in the settings related to playback.

Good news is that it works, so now I can listen to multiple albums on headphones without adjusting the volume each time :)
Bad news is that enabling ReplayGain is not persistent, it will change to None after BDP restart

To give example, difference in recording levels between two albums I am just listening right now is about 7db: Chris - Making Sense (foobar calculated) ReplayGain of -5db and Children of Nova - The Complexity of Light ReplayGain of -12. The difference is quite noticeable and creates discomfort especially when listening to headphones

L.E. I would mention there are two ReplayGain options for converters, one is "ReplyGain" and second is "ReplyGain (apply)", the first one is to be used, as it writes tags with the ReplyGain information, while the second alters the file.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mitkey on 13 Jul 2014, 08:49 am
is there a upgrade kit available for BDP-1 user ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 13 Jul 2014, 02:08 pm
ERROR 09 on the BDP-2,will initialize for a long time and then ERROR 09.
Unplugged the BDA-2 and BDP-2 overnight  and same thing after plugging them in again.
Power in the dac is on and no AES detection.
Cant even get into the BDP's menu.
Non of the above are into the Torus,straight to the wall ect.
Nothing in the manual on how to fix this as all it says is what the error codes are :o..
I wonder if Chris can fix this remotely.                                                                                                                                                                                   Times like this I wish I had kept the BCD-1,if it has to be shipped back,then that costs also.
At least its not a 28 as it would be over 200.00 to have it returned,OH FRIGGIN WELL.
At least my TT has been flawless for yrs,of course that's ANALOG :thumb:.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 13 Jul 2014, 02:54 pm
My unit was originally doing that also.
I found that it was the power conditioner I had it plugged into.
Try going straight into the wall outlet.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2014, 03:08 pm
ERROR 09 on the BDP-2,will initialize for a long time and then ERROR 09.
Unplugged the BDA-2 and BDP-2 overnight  and same thing after plugging them in again.
Power in the dac is on and no AES detection.
Cant even get into the BDP's menu.
Non of the above are into the Torus,straight to the wall ect.
Nothing in the manual on how to fix this as all it says is what the error codes are :o..
I wonder if Chris can fix this remotely.                                                                                                                                                                                   Times like this I wish I had kept the BCD-1,if it has to be shipped back,then that costs also.
At least its not a 28 as it would be over 200.00 to have it returned,OH FRIGGIN WELL.
At least my TT has been flawless for yrs,of course that's ANALOG :thumb:.

Hi Don

09 is not communicating with the main board - could be a loose internal wire but will let Chris comment.  It is not possible to communicate with the BDP remotely if it shows 09.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 13 Jul 2014, 09:00 pm
Thanks James,just venting as of course it's the weekend and the weather is hot here, so I thought some BDP-2 tunes outside would be NICE  :|.
Gonna try Canadian tire to see if I can get the right screw driver so I can open her up.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 13 Jul 2014, 10:29 pm
WTF is with these FN SCREWS,pu some precision screwdrivers($36.00),The friggin screws are so TIGHT that I broke the screwdriver which I had to use a small VISE GRIP to turn the screwdriver to remove most of the screws.
AND THEN,yes there's more,after that two of the FN screws,the heads were stripped,so had to buy a FN easy out to remove those two FN things.
Got the screws out,check all wiring connections to see if they were loose(NOT),reconnected it,SAME FKN ERROR-09.
Now it has to go back to bryston which will cost(WHATEVER).
For Fsakes,why do the FKN screws have be that friggin tight.
Now I`m out 36.00+one busted driver,3hr FKN drive to the city,BLAh blah 'blah.
Some say here or on some acoustics sites,PLEASE DON`T POST ON LINE,FK THAT,I don`t friggin hide in the corner like some.
I`m more pissed that the screws were almost friggin welded on the BDP-2.
Sides all this crap,she`s hot out the beer is cold,and no FN music....FK

                                                                 YES I FEEL BETTER NOW
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mag on 13 Jul 2014, 11:18 pm
Drummer, sometimes I power my BDP-1 which a jump drive in the slot and I get the 09 code. Try disconnecting the hard drive in the BDP-2 if you can, power up until it initiates then plug in the drive.

See if that works.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2014, 11:26 pm
WTF is with these FN SCREWS,pu some precision screwdrivers($36.00),The friggin screws are so TIGHT that I broke the screwdriver which I had to use a small VISE GRIP to turn the screwdriver to remove most of the screws.
AND THEN,yes there's more,after that two of the FN screws,the heads were stripped,so had to buy a FN easy out to remove those two FN things.
Got the screws out,check all wiring connections to see if they were loose(NOT),reconnected it,SAME FKN ERROR-09.
Now it has to go back to bryston which will cost(WHATEVER).
For Fsakes,why do the FKN screws have be that friggin tight.
Now I`m out 36.00+one busted driver,3hr FKN drive to the city,BLAh blah 'blah.
Some say here or on some acoustics sites,PLEASE DON`T POST ON LINE,FK THAT,I don`t friggin hide in the corner like some.
I`m more pissed that the screws were almost friggin welded on the BDP-2.
Sides all this crap,she`s hot out the beer is cold,and no FN music....FK

                                                                 YES I FEEL BETTER NOW
\


Yes please try it without the drive as suggested above.

Otherwise Don we can issue a call tag and get it turned around for you ASAP.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 14 Jul 2014, 01:44 am
Hell,what does the hard drive look like.
Man I's so analog(sorta),thanks guys.

If were talkin about thumb drives I don't use one,I use a seagate 2T ext drive,I'll try that just cuz.
Tried that and nothing.....09..........frig it,I;ll see if I can get a hold of Chris in the am.
My Sis is goin to the city on Tues,so I`ll just ship her out.
Even though it doesn`t help me,all these maybe fixes should be in the manual,or perhaps these BDP`s are just for techy folks :roll:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mag on 14 Jul 2014, 02:19 am
It should look something similar to this, 500 GB.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102222)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 14 Jul 2014, 02:22 am
Hmm,I assume that must be connected to the BDP`s transformer

nope ERROR 3 AND 4
Thanks anyway Mag.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Sung-bo Shim on 15 Jul 2014, 10:47 am
Hi.


I have the Exasound e22 DAC. Meantime, it doesn't work with the BDP-2 via USB.
Have you plan for them?

Thanks in advance.

Shim.
 

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2014, 11:35 am
Hi.


I have the Exasound e22 DAC. Meantime, it doesn't work with the BDP-2 via USB.
Have you plan for them?

Thanks in advance.

Shim.

Hi Shim

I believe the Exasound uses proprietary software and chips and is not compatible with USB 2 standards.  Maybe check with Exsasound on that .

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 15 Jul 2014, 04:20 pm
WTF is with these FN SCREWS,pu some precision screwdrivers($36.00),The friggin screws are so TIGHT...

James:
 Is "Locktight" being used on the cover screws?  If so this seems counter to a product that has the option to install a hard drive.  Has there been a change in production procedures regarding this issue?  If not do you have any hints on the best way to remove the cover screws: gentle tapping of each screw before turning, special tool that gives more leverage or some other trick?
 I really want to put a drive in my BDP when it arrives, but not if I have to experience the same problems Drummer had.
  Thanks, Rich :banghead:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2014, 04:33 pm
James:
 Is "Locktight" being used on the cover screws?  If so this seems counter to a product that has the option to install a hard drive.  Has there been a change in production procedures regarding this issue?  If not do you have any hints on the best way to remove the cover screws: gentle tapping of each screw before turning, special tool that gives more leverage or some other trick?
 I really want to put a drive in my BDP when it arrives, but not if I have to experience the same problems Drummer had.
  Thanks, Rich :banghead:

Hi Rich

I will ask engineering - I have just used a number 8 Torx screwdriver.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 15 Jul 2014, 04:59 pm
Hi Rich

I will ask engineering - I have just used a number 8 Torx screwdriver.

james
Same here. No problem removing the cover on BDP-1, light resistance but no need for excessive force
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 15 Jul 2014, 08:09 pm
Talked to Mike Pickett this morning,there have been issues regarding the screws.
Seems the screws were on the older models were over tight and that they now have a different system in place where removal is a lot easier.
Bryston is going to change mine out+sort out the dreaded 09 problem.
Instead of direct to wall,Chris suggests a typical surge protection bar.
Chris hasn't had any issues with his so when I get the BDP-2 back I'll try that and see.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 18 Jul 2014, 03:09 pm
Since Chris mentioned using a power bar  with the BDP's,I wonder if a surgex surge protector is fine.
Thinking something like this instead of a power strip,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102445)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2014, 03:13 pm
Since Chris mentioned using a power bar  with the BDP's,I wonder if a surgex surge protector is fine.
Thinking something like this instead of a power strip,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102445)

Hi Don

Yes the Surgex circuit is part of what we use in the Bryston BIT isolation transformers so they are fine.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 18 Jul 2014, 03:23 pm
Hi James,
Before I had the BDP-2 plugged into a Torus 20a and I'd get error 04 once in awhile.
Chris suggested a average power bar as the BDP for some reason didn't like the Torus so much,so I'm assuming the BIT  and Surgex would be similar kind of :scratch:.

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong as I would put the BDP into the Torus again except that error 4 code that pops up once in awhile,thx.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jul 2014, 03:32 pm
Hi James,
Before I had the BDP-2 plugged into a Torus 20a and I'd get error 04 once in awhile.
Chris suggested a average power bar as the BDP for some reason didn't like the Torus so much,so I'm assuming the BIT  and Surgex would be similar kind of :scratch:.

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong as I would put the BDP into the Torus again except that error 4 code that pops up once in awhile,thx.

Yes because the transformer outputs slightly more voltage than the wall plug and the 04 sometimes shows up. It is the transformer section though not the Surgex section causing the 04 error.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 18 Jul 2014, 03:39 pm
Perfect,that's what I'll do then is get another Surgex for the BDP-2.
She was sent back to Bryston a few days ago for the dreaded 09 code.
THX James.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 22 Jul 2014, 12:24 am
Hi all
 Has anyone used an  SSD+enclosure  plugged into one of the USB ports?   

Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2014, 12:24 pm
Hi all
 Has anyone used an  SSD+enclosure  plugged into one of the USB ports?   

Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich

Yes I have used 2,5 inch SSD (solid state drive) drives externally as well as internally with my BDP-2.  Also Thumbdrives are SSD as well.

There is some discussion regarding the sound of Rotary drives vs SSD drives.

james


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jul 2014, 05:33 pm
Hi all
 Has anyone used an  SSD+enclosure  plugged into one of the USB ports?   

Thanks, Rich

Just pay attention to the AMP rating on a drive when your buying one without an enclosure.  The USB ports can't handle much more then .5 amp, but also keep in mind most enclosures include a USB Y style cable to plug into two USB ports doubling the AMP rating.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 24 Jul 2014, 06:51 pm
Chris:
 Stuck on "U" ( update drive ). S2.05 2014-07-11.   Drive is a generic Micro Center brand.
 Loaded a 32GB thumb drive with 25.8GB of music ( 4.28 free space ).  I noticed a system folder named "Recycle" on the drive.  I ignored it and plugged the drive into the BDP.  The BDP got stuck on "U", but files did get loaded.  When scrolling through the folders I noticed they stopped at "Raiders of the Lost Arc" ( soundtrack ).  The next folder should have been "Rosewood".  A folder called "Recycle" would have fit nicely between the two.  So I yanked the drive, popped it back into the computer and deleted the "Recycle" folder.  Then I rebooted the BDP and put the drive back in.  Still stuck on "U" and still only scrolls up to "Raiders...".
  What's with that?

Thanks, Rich
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 25 Jul 2014, 02:06 pm
Chris:
 Stuck on "U" ( update drive ). S2.05 2014-07-11.   Drive is a generic Micro Center brand.
 Loaded a 32GB thumb drive with 25.8GB of music ( 4.28 free space ).  I noticed a system folder named "Recycle" on the drive.  I ignored it and plugged the drive into the BDP.  The BDP got stuck on "U", but files did get loaded.  When scrolling through the folders I noticed they stopped at "Raiders of the Lost Arc" ( soundtrack ).  The next folder should have been "Rosewood".  A folder called "Recycle" would have fit nicely between the two.  So I yanked the drive, popped it back into the computer and deleted the "Recycle" folder.  Then I rebooted the BDP and put the drive back in.  Still stuck on "U" and still only scrolls up to "Raiders...".
  What's with that?

Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich,

Sounds like it could one of two things either the user space wasn't generated correctly or its getting stuck on one of your files.  Judging by what your describing though it sounds more likely to be an issue with the user space, to check if this is the problem open disk information and select the "USER" partition on the 4GB drive, like depicted below, If the capacity is only 1-4MB then this is likely the issue.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102769)

Above depicts a healthy user space showing 845MB capacity, your may very by up to 600MB more or less.  Those that took part in the beta before March may have a user space of about 1.9GB.

If the user space is only a few (1-4) MB in size you should place the BDP into service mode and email us the service ID, please remember to leave the BDP on when you do this.

The other possibility is a corrupt audio file that the BDP is getting hung up on.  The BDP doesn't read the files in alphabetical order do you should check the MPD log to see what was the last file read in.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=102770)

The above shows that the most recently added song was "KINGSTON/Reference_Level_-20dB_176.24.wav", the problem would be with either this file or the file that would have come afterwards.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 25 Jul 2014, 04:46 pm
Hi Chris
 The USER capacities are:
Capacity 845M
Available 844M

 The MPD Log stops here:
.....Raiders of the Lost Arc/09 The Map Room- Dawn.wav
 The next track should have been.   "10 Reunion and The Dig Begins.wav"
The log was in alphabetical ( Movie folder name ) and numerical ( Track No. ) order.

 So which one might be the problem, track 09 or track 10?

 Tried deleting Raiders from the the thummie and got.
  "Cannot remove folder 'Raiders....' The directory is not empty"
 Ran a Checkdisk with fix and was able to get rid of Raiders.  Put the drive back in with no raiders and got log:

(errno2)
".............decoder_thread Unrecognized URI"
".............stat/media/CC99-07A7/Raiders..........................................wav failed

  There is no Raiders!  I deleted it.

Thanks for the info. :D  I should have known about the logs, but the USER capacity thing was new to me.

Rich

 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Jul 2014, 04:14 pm
Restarting the BDP will also clear the logs, you'll lose the log but when you go to retry it'll make them easier to read.  Did you try deleting the files over the network (while the drive was still plugged into the BDP)?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 27 Jul 2014, 03:32 pm
Did you try deleting the files over the network (while the drive was still plugged into the BDP)?

Cheers
Chris

Hi Chris
 No. I deleted "Raiders" after pulling the thumb out of the BDP and sticking it back in the computer.  Should I have done it from "Explorer"?
 Just now set "Enable Update at Startup" from MPD and restarted the BDP.  Then put the Thumb back into the BDP.  All the folders are loaded now, except for the deleted "Raiders" of course.  We don't need no stinkin' Raiders!  Actually I.'ll try putting Raiders in from Explorer.

Thanks for your help.
Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 5 Aug 2014, 05:38 pm
Chris,
Thanks for the update!!
cheers,
BJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 12 Aug 2014, 05:39 pm
Hi;

Any users here of the Western Digital My Cloud NAS drives? If so does the BDP-2 have any issues seeing it on the network? I'm thinking about picking one up and doing some research to ensure my devices and future devices will see it. It appears my Xbox 360 and PS3 should see it and since the BDP-2 is a potential future product I want to ensure it can also see the drive. I currently have a 3TB WD MyBook which I suppose I could attach directly to the BDP-2 via USB if it can't connect to the My Cloud drive. The MyBook is useless on it's own for the Xbox 360 as it has to be formatted in FAT32 for a direct USB connection and then the 360 will apparently only recognize a file up 4GB so what I do now is just connect the drive to my laptop and my 360 sees it that way and I can stream files just fine.

Thanks,

Rod
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Aug 2014, 12:55 am
Hi;

Any users here of the Western Digital My Cloud NAS drives? If so does the BDP-2 have any issues seeing it on the network? I'm thinking about picking one up and doing some research to ensure my devices and future devices will see it. It appears my Xbox 360 and PS3 should see it and since the BDP-2 is a potential future product I want to ensure it can also see the drive. I currently have a 3TB WD MyBook which I suppose I could attach directly to the BDP-2 via USB if it can't connect to the My Cloud drive. The MyBook is useless on it's own for the Xbox 360 as it has to be formatted in FAT32 for a direct USB connection and then the 360 will apparently only recognize a file up 4GB so what I do now is just connect the drive to my laptop and my 360 sees it that way and I can stream files just fine.

Thanks,

Rod

The BDP will connect to samba network shares (aka CIFS, aka windows file sharing)

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Aug 2014, 12:58 am
Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 14 Aug 2014, 12:59 am
Is DSD playback still being looked into? If so when people talk about playing back these files types are they talking about the .dsf file extension? I see that the DSD downloads over on AcousticSounds use that file type.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2014, 06:26 pm
Hey Chris,

The Manic Moose interface is KILLER.

Thanks,

Mike
Sarasota, FL
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2014, 12:42 am
Is DSD playback still being looked into? If so when people talk about playing back these files types are they talking about the .dsf file extension? I see that the DSD downloads over on AcousticSounds use that file type.

The manic mood manual describes the DSD capabilities in the new firmware

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2014, 12:48 am
Hi

Here's the link to the manual

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Aug 2014, 01:39 am
Thanks guys

Apologies, so now I'm confused. I just read that section. Does that imply the BDP-2 on it's own can't play DSD and that it has to be connected to a DAC that can? So I have a Lexicon MC-12 which I would be using as my DAC (AES/EBU from BDP-2 to Lexicon MC-12) and I know it does not support DSD so if I purchased the BDP-2 I would not be able to playback DSD files? Would the same be true if I purchased the BDA-1/BDA-2?

Rod
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 15 Aug 2014, 01:51 am
The BDP2 is not a DAC and does not include a DAC.
The BDP2 prior to manic moose would only spit out
PCM files, after Manic Moose it would also spit out
DSD, but only thru the USB ports....

Your DAC must be DSD compatible, such as the Ayre,
or Auralic Vega, or Chord Hugo, PS Audio Directstream etc....






Thanks guys

Apologies, so now I'm confused. I just read that section. Does that imply the BDP-2 on it's own can't play DSD and that it has to be connected to a DAC that can? So I have a Lexicon MC-12 which I would be using as my DAC (AES/EBU from BDP-2 to Lexicon MC-12) and I know it does not support DSD so if I purchased the BDP-2 I would not be able to playback DSD files? Would the same be true if I purchased the BDA-1/BDA-2?

Rod
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Aug 2014, 02:07 am
Thanks for the additional info. Even without the whole DSD thing I know I would need a DAC and I intended to just use my Lexicon MC-12 to perform those duties, at least initially until I perhaps went for a dedicated DAC. I would like to be able to do DSD as well however I need to fill in all my knowledge gaps there. So I need a DAC capable of DSD playback, ok check, so that rules out the 2 Bryston's which sucks. My intended connection method between the BDP-2 and whatever DAC was going to be AES/EBU however are you also saying that for DSD that's a no go, I need to run a USB connection instead between the BDP-2 and chosen DAC?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 15 Aug 2014, 02:54 am

I endeavoured to update the BDP-2's firmware today in response to a notice that new firmware was available, and received the following:

"Downloading firmware filesystem
0 100% @1476
Downloading boot drivers
1357 100% @1353
Downloading vmlinuz image
0 100% @1333
Running Filesystem Check: b501dbb5d56bb6261209449daf6e83c2 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
: Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be:
Calculated: b501dbb5
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again
/"


Three subsequent attempts elicited the same answer.

I have rebooted the BDP-2 several times and "New Firmware Available" is still showing but to no avail!

What is my next step?


    S2.04 2014-06-19
    Build: Manic Moose
    MPD: 0.18.6
    Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-486
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 15 Aug 2014, 03:01 am
I found an old post from Chris saying any manic firmware prior to S05 has
the update function broken....

I've asked the question, but I'm afraid it involves taking the top off the unit
and the flashcard out of it.......which I am NOT doing!

I'm beginning to wonder if this manic moose will ever be out of beta (been over a year)
and I'm also wondering if I should just sell my BDP2 and get something a little
more "finished".....

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2014, 12:46 pm
I found an old post from Chris saying any manic firmware prior to S05 has
the update function broken....

I've asked the question, but I'm afraid it involves taking the top off the unit
and the flashcard out of it.......which I am NOT doing!

I'm beginning to wonder if this manic moose will ever be out of beta (been over a year)
and I'm also wondering if I should just sell my BDP2 and get something a little
more "finished".....

Hi Zulu

Sorry you are running into issues.  The update process from the previous version of software Loony Loon has had some challenges but once the most recent version of Manic Moose gets loaded things straighten out.  Please put your BDP2 in SERVICE mode and Email Chris Rice with the number and he will be able to remotely connect and sort things out.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zuluwarrior0760 on 15 Aug 2014, 02:30 pm
Thanks for the additional info. Even without the whole DSD thing I know I would need a DAC and I intended to just use my Lexicon MC-12 to perform those duties, at least initially until I perhaps went for a dedicated DAC. I would like to be able to do DSD as well however I need to fill in all my knowledge gaps there. So I need a DAC capable of DSD playback, ok check, so that rules out the 2 Bryston's which sucks. My intended connection method between the BDP-2 and whatever DAC was going to be AES/EBU however are you also saying that for DSD that's a no go, I need to run a USB connection instead between the BDP-2 and chosen DAC?

I'm not aware of a DSD Dac that does not operate via USB (there might be one.....)

The thing you've got to understand is that asking a DAC to do PCM well and DSD well
is akin to you asking an astronaut to go to the moon and mars at the same time.....
It's pretty difficult.....that's why you don't see DSD yet from Bryston, or Berkeley for
instance.....

There is actually a decent DSD ONLY Dac that is super tiny from Schiit audio
and costs about 149.00.  I listended to it on my big system one night when
a friend brought it over (and it was the BDP2 feeding it) and it sounded great.....
but no better than if that track had been in PCM run through my DAC inside
my Esoteric K-03.....

Your very best shot at finding a DAC that does both and does both well
is to go with a DAC that does not rely on a DAC chip perse, but operates
on what's called a "field programmed gate array" or FPGA for short...

The two I'm aware of are:

The Directstream from PS Audio
and the tiny little Hugo from Chord, which I've heard as well and sounds
unbelievable!

In the end, what I would do is drop kick the idea of DSD.  If you want
DSD, go get a very good SACD player and some SACDs from ebay and there
you go, pure DSD......the problem with files from the web is that a lot of them
started life as a PCM file anyways, so you don't really know the provenance
unless it comes from a label such as blue coast records, but they offer
their stuff in high resolution PCM as well and to my ears they sound amazing...

That's why I've sort of abandoned the idea of DSD, although I enjoy my SACD
collection a lot.....

There's no question that DSD has gained some ground, but as people settle in,
they'll realize the amount of material out there is still super limited and without
them knowing what that file originally was, they might not be getting the
benefits of what makes single bit dsd desirable in the first place.....

The PS Audio direct stream DAC would be a compelling choice and I've seen
them as low as 3900 nearly new, The hugo could probably be had under 2K
For less than that, you could buy seperate DACs from Schiit Audio, one for
DSD thru USB and one for your PCM files through AES/EBU

Good luck.....
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 15 Aug 2014, 06:54 pm
Excellent info, thanks very much for posting that.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 15 Aug 2014, 09:36 pm
S2.05 2014 07-25
Chris:
  The BDP-2 Just started skipping badly while playing an MP3 320 track in a large ( 2200 track  ) playlist.  MPAD shows "Nothing Playing" yet the skipping sound continues now on the next track ( WAV 44.1 ).  MM will not open on the iPad-2 / Safari, "Cannot open Page".  The skipping is now getting to the point where there is more silence than music.  Can't stop from MPAD and MM will not load.  Guess I need to shut down the BDP.  Hope that' the right thing to do?
  Shutdown and restartet.  No errors shown.  MM opens now and MPAD does now play from that large playlist, but this behavior is very disconcerting. :cry:  Got any ideas?

  P.S. A few days ago it did skip on another MP3 320 track, but only once and the playlist continued without issue.  These MP3 files are conversions of high res files using DBpoweramp done to eliminate my DAC "Mute N' Switch" resolutions which often cuts off the first portion of the next track.  Not good for a party mix.

Thanks   
Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Aug 2014, 09:58 pm
S2.05 2014 07-25
Chris:
  The BDP-2 Just started skipping badly while playing an MP3 320 track in a large ( 2200 track  ) playlist.  MPAD shows "Nothing Playing" yet the skipping sound continues now on the next track ( WAV 44.1 ).  MM will not open on the iPad-2 / Safari, "Cannot open Page".  The skipping is now getting to the point where there is more silence than music.  Can't stop from MPAD and MM will not load.  Guess I need to shut down the BDP.  Hope that' the right thing to do?
  Shutdown and restartet.  No errors shown.  MM opens now and MPAD does now play from that large playlist, but this behavior is very disconcerting. :cry:  Got any ideas?

  P.S. A few days ago it did skip on another MP3 320 track, but only once and the playlist continued without issue.  These MP3 files are conversions of high res files using JRMC done to eliminate my DAC "Mute N' Switch" resolutions which often cuts off the first portion of the next track.  Not good for a party mix.

Thanks   
Rich


Hi MoPac

I will let Chris respond but the BDP was never really designed to playback MP3 files as far as I know. It was designed specifically for 44.1 to 192 high resolution file playback.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 15 Aug 2014, 10:38 pm
James:
  No huge deal as there are only a small number of high res files that need conversion.  Guess what I'll do is replace the MP3 converted files with high res FLAC to FLAC 44.1 conversions, or high res WAV to WAV 44.1 conversions.
  Would still like to know from Chris if MP3 is a problem.  I do agree that MP3 is a compromise.  Maybe these new conversions will sound better.

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 15 Aug 2014, 11:27 pm
It would be appreciated if someone from Bryston could answer my post #757.

Zuluwarrior mentioned a rather drastic solution.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2014, 11:52 pm
S2.05 2014 07-25
Chris:
  The BDP-2 Just started skipping badly while playing an MP3 320 track in a large ( 2200 track  ) playlist.  MPAD shows "Nothing Playing" yet the skipping sound continues now on the next track ( WAV 44.1 ).  MM will not open on the iPad-2 / Safari, "Cannot open Page".  The skipping is now getting to the point where there is more silence than music.  Can't stop from MPAD and MM will not load.  Guess I need to shut down the BDP.  Hope that' the right thing to do?
  Shutdown and restartet.  No errors shown.  MM opens now and MPAD does now play from that large playlist, but this behavior is very disconcerting. :cry:  Got any ideas?

  P.S. A few days ago it did skip on another MP3 320 track, but only once and the playlist continued without issue.  These MP3 files are conversions of high res files using DBpoweramp done to eliminate my DAC "Mute N' Switch" resolutions which often cuts off the first portion of the next track.  Not good for a party mix.

Thanks   
Rich

Hi Rich,

I believe your not the only one experiencing this issue, I few other customers have reported it as well.  I have tried reproducing the problem, but have been unsuccessful and can only guess as to what could be causing the troubles.  It is being looked into.

Powering the bdp off and back on is fine.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2014, 11:55 pm
I endeavoured to update the BDP-2's firmware today in response to a notice that new firmware was available, and received the following:

"Downloading firmware filesystem
0 100% @1476
Downloading boot drivers
1357 100% @1353
Downloading vmlinuz image
0 100% @1333
Running Filesystem Check: b501dbb5d56bb6261209449daf6e83c2 /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.new
: Filsystem Check Failed: md5 values different
Should Be:
Calculated: b501dbb5
You should try redownloading this version of the firmware and try again
/"


Three subsequent attempts elicited the same answer.

I have rebooted the BDP-2 several times and "New Firmware Available" is still showing but to no avail!

What is my next step?


    S2.04 2014-06-19
    Build: Manic Moose
    MPD: 0.18.6
    Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-486

Simply place the bdp into service mode and email us the service id.  There are some links to the manual and tech support found on the README file that appears just before initiating the update.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 16 Aug 2014, 12:20 am
Simply place the bdp into service mode and email us the service id.  There are some links to the manual and tech support found on the README file that appears just before initiating the update.

Cheers,
Chris


Thanks, Chris. I have placed the BDP-2 in Service Mode and sent off an email via the Bryston "Contact form.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 6 Sep 2014, 05:56 pm
Hi,
I purchased BDP-2/BDA-2 units a few days ago, and I have some questions.

The software version on my BDP-2 is 2.04. Is it a good idea to upgrade to 2.06? I have many issues with the web interface on iPad/Safari.
I was amazed that exFAT was supported, so I formatted my 1 TB external USB drive using exFAT. Everything works fine, but now I wanted to set it as a scratch drive, but I received the error message "Can not use a disk formatted as exfat". Shall I reformat my hard drive?

Thanks,
Attila
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gdayton on 7 Sep 2014, 01:59 am
Yes, updating to 2.06 is recommended. I believe to make the jump, you'll need to put your unit into service mode and notify Chris Rice. From then on, you can initiate firmware updates yourself.

exFAT is proprietary and MS hasn't released software to the public necessary for third parties to be able to write to exFAT disks. You can either reformat your drive as FAT32, or skip the trouble of doing so and just use a separate thumb drive for scratch.

Thanks and happy listening!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 11 Sep 2014, 07:46 am

Chris helped me immediately with the upgrade. Thank you for the great customer support!

I found a free tool for Windows to format FAT32 volumes, because Windows won't let you format >32GB partitions to FAT32:
http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm

I wrongly assumed that the last update was S2.06. It is actually S2.05 2014-08-18. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks,
Attila
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 11 Sep 2014, 04:35 pm
Hi Chris!

What improvements are there in the 2.06 version? Has the software bug with front panel navigation that we discussed been taken care of?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2014, 01:34 am
Hi Antun,

Well the bug with the virtual front panel (the software used to help debug problems wih the front panel remotely) has been fixed.  The issue regarding your thumb drive, I am unable to reproduce in he office.  Once the new firmware is released I'll be able to see what's causing it.

I've been a little tied up with the BOT and a recent issue concernin BDP-2's, hopefully both will be wrapped up after the weekend.  Hope I didn't jinx myself.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 12 Sep 2014, 06:27 am
I noticed last night that the display on my BDP-2 didn't update. It got hung up on the first song I played. Took a reboot to fix it.

Is that the display bug you are talking about?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2014, 12:33 pm
I noticed last night that the display on my BDP-2 didn't update. It got hung up on the first song I played. Took a reboot to fix it.

Is that the display bug you are talking about?

- Garrett

No, is it repeatable?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 12 Sep 2014, 01:47 pm
Hi Antun,

Well the bug with the virtual front panel (the software used to help debug problems wih the front panel remotely) has been fixed.  The issue regarding your thumb drive, I am unable to reproduce in he office.  Once the new firmware is released I'll be able to see what's causing it.

I've been a little tied up with the BOT and a recent issue concernin BDP-2's, hopefully both will be wrapped up after the weekend.  Hope I didn't jinx myself.

Cheers
Chris

Thank you Chris!

Sure, no worries. Once the firmware is available, I'll install it and then you'll be able to see what's happening.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 12 Sep 2014, 05:25 pm
Setting a static IP address does not work in S2.05 2014-08-18. Is there a chance it will be fixed in the short term?

Also: is there a USB wireless dongle driver installed? If so, which one? It would make my life easier because my BDP-2 does not see the internet through the wireless bridge. This is probably a problem with the bridge, but setting a static address or using a USB dongle may help.

Thanks,
Attila 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Sep 2014, 12:43 pm
Setting a static IP address does not work in S2.05 2014-08-18. Is there a chance it will be fixed in the short term?

Also: is there a USB wireless dongle driver installed? If so, which one? It would make my life easier because my BDP-2 does not see the internet through the wireless bridge. This is probably a problem with the bridge, but setting a static address or using a USB dongle may help.

Thanks,
Attila

Setting a static IP address should be functional, personally don't use it but it's been used by other customers.

I don't know how well the wifi portion of the firmware will work for you, but there is firmware installed for wifi adapters using the following chipsets.

Ralink
Realtek
Atheros

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 16 Sep 2014, 02:12 pm

Hi Chris,

that sounds amazing, I did not expect that USB wifi adapters would work.  :thumb:

First it seemed that SSID, password, etc was not saved because network settings did not display any of these for wlan0 in the web browser (firefox 31 on windows 7). However everything is set perfectly on the BDP-2. But wifi still does not work regardless if it is set to DHCP (result: interface down), or static IP:

Code: [Select]
bryston@bryston-bdp-2:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address  192.168.222.148
gateway 192.168.222.1
netmask  255.255.255.0

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp

auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-ssid Cisco50191
wpa-psk XXXXXXXXXX

Any network access wants to use eth0, even if the ethernet cable is not plugged in.
This is what ifconfig displays:

Code: [Select]
bryston@bryston-bdp-2:/$ /usr/bin/inetutils-ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:03:2D:20:D8:52
          inet addr:192.168.222.148  Bcast:192.168.222.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:50450 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:76831 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:3495586  TX bytes:13526298
          Interrupt:16 Memory:feae0000-feb00000

eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:03:2D:20:D8:53
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:0  TX bytes:0
          Interrupt:19 Memory:febe0000-fec00000

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:125993 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:125993 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:11627458  TX bytes:11627458

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1F:C6:20:C3:A4
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:1506 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:145 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:187912  TX bytes:15053

When I set static address for wlan0, it still won't connect, but there is no "Interface down" in the network settings page.
In the end I could not make the wireless adapter work... which would have been awesome.
Sorry for the long post. If this is not the right thread for discussing these issues, please let me know.

Thanks,
Attila

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Sep 2014, 12:52 am
Hi Chris,

that sounds amazing, I did not expect that USB wifi adapters would work.  :thumb:

First it seemed that SSID, password, etc was not saved because network settings did not display any of these for wlan0 in the web browser (firefox 31 on windows 7). However everything is set perfectly on the BDP-2. But wifi still does not work regardless if it is set to DHCP (result: interface down), or static IP:

Code: [Select]
bryston@bryston-bdp-2:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address  192.168.222.148
gateway 192.168.222.1
netmask  255.255.255.0

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp

auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-ssid Cisco50191
wpa-psk XXXXXXXXXX

Any network access wants to use eth0, even if the ethernet cable is not plugged in.
This is what ifconfig displays:

Code: [Select]
bryston@bryston-bdp-2:/$ /usr/bin/inetutils-ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:03:2D:20:D8:52
          inet addr:192.168.222.148  Bcast:192.168.222.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:50450 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:76831 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:3495586  TX bytes:13526298
          Interrupt:16 Memory:feae0000-feb00000

eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:03:2D:20:D8:53
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:0  TX bytes:0
          Interrupt:19 Memory:febe0000-fec00000

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:125993 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:125993 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:11627458  TX bytes:11627458

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1F:C6:20:C3:A4
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:1506 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:145 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:187912  TX bytes:15053

When I set static address for wlan0, it still won't connect, but there is no "Interface down" in the network settings page.
In the end I could not make the wireless adapter work... which would have been awesome.
Sorry for the long post. If this is not the right thread for discussing these issues, please let me know.

Thanks,
Attila

There really isn't any right thread on audiocircle, we are working to get our own forum up and running but are having difficulties with configuring the mail server portion.

support.bryston.com/forum

Can you send me what

cat /mnt/img/network*

Returns, it'll display your wifi password; first glance though I'd say the password is incorrect or the signal isn't very strong.  Also i have found it takes about 4-5 minutes before wifi kicks in.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Don_S on 17 Sep 2014, 06:01 pm
Any BDP-2 owners near Sacramento, CA? I would like to see how the unit operates and accesses data. I would especially like to see how it works with files backed up from my music server.

Thanks,  Don
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: weirdcuba on 19 Sep 2014, 01:12 pm
Can someone help me here, please?  I bought a BDP-2, and it's just not working.  The music loads from both a thumb drive and a USB drive and shows up via the web interface and MPAD/MPOD, but then it won't play.  I actually have gotten some songs to play (and they sound fantastic), but then it just hangs and won't play another song.  I even try the play button on the front panel, but it just won't play.  I know my connections are working, as I'll periodically get it to play, but then it just stops.  I've turned it off and on, but largely to no avail.

Thanks in advance. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Sep 2014, 02:50 pm
Can someone help me here, please?  I bought a BDP-2, and it's just not working.  The music loads from both a thumb drive and a USB drive and shows up via the web interface and MPAD/MPOD, but then it won't play.  I actually have gotten some songs to play (and they sound fantastic), but then it just hangs and won't play another song.  I even try the play button on the front panel, but it just won't play.  I know my connections are working, as I'll periodically get it to play, but then it just stops.  I've turned it off and on, but largely to no avail.

Thanks in advance.

Which version of the firmware is it currently running?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Sep 2014, 10:46 am
http://www.av2day.com/2014/05/bryston-bdp-2-digital-media-player-bda-2-dac-combo/

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 2 Oct 2014, 12:42 am
Any BDP-2 owners near Sacramento, CA? I would like to see how the unit operates and accesses data. I would especially like to see how it works with files backed up from my music server.

Thanks,  Don

Hi, Don:

I'd hoped to reply earlier to your request, but we've been recovering from the recent Napa earthquake and our home was not in a state to invite you. I'd be happy to help you to the extent I can with the BDP-2.

I have a BDP-2 connected to a BDA-2 and then via balanced cables to an SP3. I installed a 500gb SSD in the BDP-2 and manage FLAC files from my iMac via a gigabit hardwired network. I'm not using the computer or external drive as a server; I simply copy the files to the SSD and manage them from the front panel of the BDP (quite primitive) or via Bryston's Max and Mini desktop and tablet apps. I do not yet have a sufficient number of hi-res (or even CD-res) files to warrant streaming; that's a post-earthquake recovery project.

I was thinking of getting a Mac Mini when the new model is released, and using Amarra, PureMusic, or similar software. Yet, with Bryston's apps, I'm not sure that it's going to be necessary; a couple of external drives or a NAS may suffice (and Bryston has discussed drive enclosures, a CD transport, and a power supply at the same rack height and one-third the width of the BDP/BDA).

I will tell you that the BDP/BDA combination provides the finest sound I've heard in my system by a significant margin. The resolution is excellent, without any digital edge, and the smoothness and clarity of the sound are very engaging.

If you'll PM me, let's set up a time.

Cheerio,

Rich
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 2 Oct 2014, 02:29 pm
hello,
I have in my system both bdp-2 and bda-2.
I read in another 3D in this site that it's possible to use one of the usb connections as output.
I would like to know how it is possible to set this option, and more important of all, if there will be differences about the results vs aes/ebu.
If there may be an improvement in the sound, or if there will be a worsening.
thank you in advance.
dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 2 Oct 2014, 03:04 pm
I read in another 3D in this site that it's possible to use one of the usb connections as output.
I would like to know how it is possible to set this option, and more important of all, if there will be differences about the results vs aes/ebu.

Instructions to select USB output are on Page 15 (Audio Devices) of the Firmware User's Manual Manic Moose vS2.0 (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf) (and of course your BDP-2 will need to have this version of firmware installed).

Bryston recommends the AES/EBU output as the best sounding connection, but it's easy enough to try it for yourself and see.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dgb on 2 Oct 2014, 03:50 pm
Instructions to select USB output are on Page 15 (Audio Devices) of the Firmware User's Manual Manic Moose vS2.0 (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf) (and of course your BDP-2 will need to have this version of firmware installed).

Bryston recommends the AES/EBU output as the best sounding connection, but it's easy enough to try it for yourself and see.

Steve

thank's a lot, dino
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: PeterDk on 2 Oct 2014, 06:13 pm
Hello,

This is my first post. I'm the lucky owner of new BDP-2 and BDA-2 components. When I placed my order I was expecting 2-3 weeks delivery but unfortunately  (:P) Bryston delivered them within a few days!! well before I even had a chance to get into the details of planning my setup.
Happily taking my gear home I was attempting to hook it up to my NAS (Synology) and after a few frustrating hours I did manage to get it up and running. Its still quite early in the process but the MM interface has been quite finicky and has lost my 'shares' or not populated the music in some cases. I've added shares and removed them for this reason.  Often, non of the shares show up on the home page. Maybe its the SMB vs WFS or AFP? My NAS is linux of course but I've been trying to do the setup via my Mac laptop. (not sure if this could confuse the share setup?) More on this once I get a chance to play around with it.

Getting to the point, I've been thinking of installing a SSD drive inside the BDP2. I read somewhere this could void my warranty, but I've read of a number of folks doing this on their own. Seems relatively simple to do! Considering the manual has a few examples of instructions on how to check internal cables on your own, will installing the SSD void the warranty?

thanks,
Peter
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Oct 2014, 06:23 pm
Hello,

This is my first post. I'm the lucky owner of new BDP-2 and BDA-2 components. When I placed my order I was expecting 2-3 weeks delivery but unfortunately  (:P) Bryston delivered them within a few days!! well before I even had a chance to get into the details of planning my setup.
Happily taking my gear home I was attempting to hook it up to my NAS (Synology) and after a few frustrating hours I did manage to get it up and running. Its still quite early in the process but the MM interface has been quite finicky and has lost my 'shares' or not populated the music in some cases. I've added shares and removed them for this reason.  Often, non of the shares show up on the home page. Maybe its the SMB vs WFS or AFP? My NAS is linux of course but I've been trying to do the setup via my Mac laptop. (not sure if this could confuse the share setup?) More on this once I get a chance to play around with it.

Getting to the point, I've been thinking of installing a SSD drive inside the BDP2. I read somewhere this could void my warranty, but I've read of a number of folks doing this on their own. Seems relatively simple to do! Considering the manual has a few examples of instructions on how to check internal cables on your own, will installing the SSD void the warranty?

thanks,
Peter

Hi Peter,

Installing the drive will NOT void the warranty.  It is just that we did not want to install drives at the factory but allow the customer to choose whichever drive he wanted. We did not want to be responsible for the drive.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: PeterDk on 2 Oct 2014, 08:17 pm
Hi Peter,

Installing the drive will NOT void the warranty.  It is just that we did not want to install drives at the factory but allow the customer to choose whichever drive he wanted. We did not want to be responsible for the drive.

james

Excellent. Thanks for the quick response James. Its a nice feature (being able to add the SSD) and the more I learn about the the components the more I want to do with them.

regards,
Peter
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 3 Oct 2014, 05:42 am
You might try using static IP addresses or having your router reserve a specific ip address, both for your server as well as your bdp-2. Then, instead of referring to either with an alias, use the IP address. That might solve your problems.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: PeterDk on 3 Oct 2014, 11:31 am
You might try using static IP addresses or having your router reserve a specific ip address, both for your server as well as your bdp-2. Then, instead of referring to either with an alias, use the IP address. That might solve your problems.

Grit, thanks for the suggestion - I will give that a try. I'm trying to read as many posts as I can in order to solve some of my issues. I've got the system up and running a bit more smoothly now. For example I plugged in a 16G thumb drive in the BDP2 as a scratch disk for the album art. The MM interface recognized it but didn't seem to want to set it as the scratch disk. Do I need to "Mount" it first? I attempted this but got error feedback and then I just clicked "scratch" and the feedback was "setting as scratch disk" but it seemed to stall right there with no further feedback. Overall I had a few crashes and had to reboot the BDP once or twice. In the end it seemed to be working. I'm using MPaD as the interface as well and the album artwork is extremely slow although it does seem to be populating.

I'm still contemplating installing an SSD in the BDP2 despite reading a few posts about 'noise'. I doubt I would notice the difference. Is there a particular protocol to follow for the installation?  (James?)

So, I've read so far that I should format the SSD as Fat32 or NTFS before installing and also populate with music before I install. That might be a bit tricky (not to mention a fair bit of work). I've also read that some folks use their internal SSD as a regular network drive and simply 'move over' their tunes after its been installed. Is this possible?

Lastly, I'm in a dilemma about whether to use an AES cable between the BDP2 and BDA2, or whether USB is the way to go. I've read posts where USB is great but also that Bryston recommends the AES. Good AES cables are expensive and not that easy to come by whereas i'm finding USB may be a good option in terms of cost and availability Any feedback on this point would be great.

thanks for the comments.
Peter
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: So There on 3 Oct 2014, 02:28 pm
Congratulations on your BDP-2, Peter. It's a wonderful piece of equipment. I installed a Samsung 500gb SSD, and it went in quite easily. Chris Rice, Bryston's BDP guru, has posted a how-to video on installation. James recommended the AES/EBU connection, and I use the Bryston AES/EBU cable between the BDP-2 and BDA-2; it sounds fantastic, and the cost was reasonable.

I don't recall whether I formatted the SSD prior to installation (it may have been pre-formatted). I have the BDP connected to my hardwired gigabit network via two Cisco business class switches and CAT6 cable, and files copy and paste quickly between my iMac and the BDP. The BDP shows up as a shared device in the Finder. (the Mac version of Windows Explorer). It is very easy to manage the music with the Bryston apps (Max and Mini), though the front panel display of the BDP could be improved, as it does not scroll text, and it can be difficult to ascertain which track is playing when the title is long, such as with classical pieces.

Happy listening,

Rich
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 3 Oct 2014, 03:10 pm
Peter, see page 14 of the manual for defining a scratch drive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Oct 2014, 01:31 pm
zuluwarrior0760 

Re: BDA2 and BDP2 Reviews

I have owned the BDP2 for a little over a year. It was my first Bryston product. The sound quality has always been flawless. I use the DACs in my Esoteric K-03 SACD Player and the presence of the BDP-2 has left the transport of my SACD player very lonely. I added the first day the largest solid state drive I could find and I now have it loaded up with AIFF files and continue to add more regularly..

I have played around with the Aurender offerings and although the sound quality is very good, I think the Bryston is a little bit better, but it is in terms of fit and finish and the whole pride of ownership thing that the Bryston really wins versus Aurender.....Price points are pretty similar depending on configuration.....

My experience with the BDP-2 led me to consider Bryston's amplifiers. After discussing amp choices with Magnepan for my 3.7s, I decided to go with a pair of 7BSST2s and from the very first note, I heard more detail than I had with my prior Pass Labs X350.5 and I've never looked back. I had an issue with one of the amps a few days after purchase of it tripping a fuse and arcing upon power up and Bryston traded emails with me on a Sunday night and I had an RMA number Monday morning. They even fedexed a new amp to me rathern than making me wait.......they didn't have to do this let alone do it overnight but they did......I think Bryston as a company is very high on my list...... Both of the components I've purchased from them will likely remain in my system for a very very long time.....
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 6 Oct 2014, 05:15 am
Grit, thanks for the suggestion - I will give that a try. I'm trying to read as many posts as I can in order to solve some of my issues. I've got the system up and running a bit more smoothly now. For example I plugged in a 16G thumb drive in the BDP2 as a scratch disk for the album art. The MM interface recognized it but didn't seem to want to set it as the scratch disk. Do I need to "Mount" it first? I attempted this but got error feedback and then I just clicked "scratch" and the feedback was "setting as scratch disk" but it seemed to stall right there with no further feedback. Overall I had a few crashes and had to reboot the BDP once or twice. In the end it seemed to be working. I'm using MPaD as the interface as well and the album artwork is extremely slow although it does seem to be populating.

I'm still contemplating installing an SSD in the BDP2 despite reading a few posts about 'noise'. I doubt I would notice the difference. Is there a particular protocol to follow for the installation?  (James?)

So, I've read so far that I should format the SSD as Fat32 or NTFS before installing and also populate with music before I install. That might be a bit tricky (not to mention a fair bit of work). I've also read that some folks use their internal SSD as a regular network drive and simply 'move over' their tunes after its been installed. Is this possible?

Lastly, I'm in a dilemma about whether to use an AES cable between the BDP2 and BDA2, or whether USB is the way to go. I've read posts where USB is great but also that Bryston recommends the AES. Good AES cables are expensive and not that easy to come by whereas i'm finding USB may be a good option in terms of cost and availability Any feedback on this point would be great.

thanks for the comments.
Peter

From bottom to top:
Try both cables in your system at the same time. You can switch inputs and see what you like. I only tried optical, coax, and AES, and preferred the AES. Though in my case, the AES was substantially a better cable, so that may have had some impact. If I was in your shoes, I'd buy one each from Monoprice.com (very inexpensive) and see which you prefer. After that, consider spending more money on a nicer cable. That way, you're putting money in the format you most prefer.

I also installed an internal drive. Mine's an SSD, so there are no mechanical moving parts. I also have my BDP connected via CAT 6 to a switch and then to my server (Windows Server 2012 R2). I copied all my music files from there to the SSD in by BDP. I also can't remember if I formatted it before or which format I used. As I tear computers apart for fun, it wasn't really a difficulty or concern for me. I do remember that I followed the YouTube video Chris Rice from Bryston put out on how to do it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmafbFKnWWw

In the end, I can't hear any difference between whats on the SSD inside the BDP and what's on my server 25' away. That being said, I have had to take my server down at times. Having a local copy on the BDP means I never have to worry about being able to access my music. If I have power to my BDP, I can listen to all my music. Also, there are PLENTY of good/fast USB drives these days. You could just as easily plug one into the back of the BDP and skip the internal drive.

Also, I added the worlds smallest (in physical size) USB drive I could for my scratch drive. Plugged it into the back of the BDP, followed those directions linked above, and never looked back. I think it's just 32GB, and my library is about 2000-3000 songs (probably 200-300 CDs).

For the interface, I used to use MPDroid (Android OS app), but with Manic Moose, i usually now just use the Bryston built-in "Max" interface. I can't really comment on MPOD or other Apple stuff. Sorry. :(

I'm sure this already came up (and I've forgotten or missed it). Are you up to date with the most recent Manic Moose release?

- Garrett

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2014, 01:06 pm
Hi James

 I had to stop by my brothers apartment yesterday afternoon to pick something up, where he was watching football on the big screen, through a
BRYSTON SP-3 and 9BSST. 

Shortly, we switched to the BDP, which I learned was hard-wired via AES/EBU XLR to the SP3.  I have to admit, even listening at a low SPL, maybe 75 peak, I was floored!  The noise floor just fell away, it just was inky black between quiet passages and between tracks, but even listening to a HD-track download of Dave Brubeck, Take 5, I couldn’t believe the sharpness & power of the mid-frequency detail..even at these listening levels.  I asked my brother if he noticed the change when he added the BDP-2, and his comments were that while similar, but distinctly better than the top OPPO DVD player he has, the ease of use with the paired i-pad mini, the SSD loaded with files, make for a dream combination.  I know the 9BSST 2  with the extremely low distortion levels and ability to extract the deepest bass and most articulate details combined with the almost [straight-wire] playback capabilities of the SP-3 pre-amp made for a total package.

I guess it is time to step up and get the BDP-2 ASAP!
 
Wayne
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 12 Oct 2014, 09:24 am
I cant seem to upgrade firmware.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106743)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2014, 11:21 am
I cant seem to upgrade firmware.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106743)

Hi

Email Gary Dayton at Bryston - he is at the RMAF Show so it may be Monday.

gdayton@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 12 Oct 2014, 11:59 am
Is it possible to convert back to basic Bdp firmware with only playback from USB, like it was in the good old days ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2014, 12:05 pm
Is it possible to convert back to basic Bdp firmware with only playback from USB, like it was in the good old days ?

I think so and Gary will know how.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Oct 2014, 04:29 am
I cant seem to upgrade firmware.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=106743)

Which firmware is currently installed
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: honkyturn on 16 Oct 2014, 03:47 pm
I got the same message as xinon above.  running S2.05 2014-08-18
it worked on re-try (after reboot), same S2.05 2014-08-18 showing.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ola_S on 12 Dec 2014, 03:55 pm
Hi all!
I have an BDP-2/BDA-2 combination since a couple of months combined with a BP-25 preamp and my 28B-SST power amplifiers. I have tried to update the firmware on the BDP-2 but got the same result as Xinon (md5 values different). But it has become worse, since a week or so my BDP-2 is just refusing to boot up, I constantly get the ERROR 09.

I have checked the serial cable and it is attached and today I got an CF-reader and after re-flashing the card I have the same problem. What can I do next? I have been very happy with my Bryston gear, and have had different power amplifiers from Bryston in my system for 10 years now but I must admit the I'm not very pleased with the BDP-2 so far. Hopefully I can get the support I need from Bryston in this matter.

Regards
Ola
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Dec 2014, 02:18 pm
Pull the power cord from the BDP, plug it back in, power it on and then pay attention to the dac.  Check to see if the dac receives a 44k lock from the BDP just before the error 09 message appears.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ola_S on 14 Dec 2014, 04:00 pm
Hi Chris! I have now check and it does not get a 44k lock just before the Error 09 appears.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Dec 2014, 12:59 pm
Sounds like your unit is going to require servicing and you should contact our service desk.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ola_S on 15 Dec 2014, 07:08 pm
Sounds like your unit is going to require servicing and you should contact our service desk.
Ok! I get the ERROR 05 from time to time as well, I don't know if that can be related or not. I'll try to contact the service desk directly at Bryston, I hope it can be solved remotely because I don't have a Bryston dealer nearby  :|
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Dec 2014, 02:10 am
Ok! I get the ERROR 05 from time to time as well, I don't know if that can be related or not. I'll try to contact the service desk directly at Bryston, I hope it can be solved remotely because I don't have a Bryston dealer nearby  :|

That's tripped by power spikes, over voltage on the powerline.

Have you tried leaving the BDP powered off for a few hours and then turning it back on?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ola_S on 17 Dec 2014, 07:40 pm
That's tripped by power spikes, over voltage on the powerline.

Have you tried leaving the BDP powered off for a few hours and then turning it back on?
Yes I have, it makes no difference.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lateboomer on 3 Jan 2015, 06:45 am
I would like to know if I upgrade the firmware for BDP-2, can BDP-2 output usb to Berkeley Audio Design Alpha USB converter and then through spdif to DAC like BDA-2?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jan 2015, 11:30 am
I would like to know if I upgrade the firmware for BDP-2, can BDP-2 output usb to Berkeley Audio Design Alpha USB converter and then through spdif to DAC like BDA-2?

HI

Yes you can use both outputs at the same time but we have not tested it with the Berkeley yet. It the Berkeley is a Class 2 USB design it should work.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dave Jameson on 3 Jan 2015, 05:27 pm
Hi latebloomer,

James should probably clarify that the BDP2 can only output one stream of data at a time. So that means you can use either USB or SPDIF and switch back and forth between them using Manic Moose's interface("Audio Devices" section of the homepage)......but you won't get simultaneous digital output.

As for your Berkely, you will likely have a problem if you are feeding your BDP2 music from an external USB hard drive. Well, I know for a fact that you will have this problem, as I've experienced it first hand. The issue has to do with the how the BDP2's USB ports are configured and the Berkely seems to need an isolated USB port (hopefully Chris can elaborate more on the particulars because its beyond me technically  :D).

The way around this issue is to use either a network attached storage or to build a SATA drive right into the BDP2. The BDP2's internals are already set up to accept a 2.5" SATA drive and it's pretty straight forward to install/initialize.

Cheers!

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 4 Jan 2015, 08:10 pm
BTW, if I connect my 1TB SSD internally, will the external eSATA port remain active? I'm using the eSATA port now for my SSD, prefer it to USB. Just wanted to know if I needed a second Hard Drive once the internal was installed, would I be relegated to USB only?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jan 2015, 11:40 pm
Hi latebloomer,

James should probably clarify that the BDP2 can only output one stream of data at a time. So that means you can use either USB or SPDIF and switch back and forth between them using Manic Moose's interface("Audio Devices" section of the homepage)......but you won't get simultaneous digital output.

As for your Berkely, you will likely have a problem if you are feeding your BDP2 music from an external USB hard drive. Well, I know for a fact that you will have this problem, as I've experienced it first hand. The issue has to do with the how the BDP2's USB ports are configured and the Berkely seems to need an isolated USB port (hopefully Chris can elaborate more on the particulars because its beyond me technically  :D).

The way around this issue is to use either a network attached storage or to build a SATA drive right into the BDP2. The BDP2's internals are already set up to accept a 2.5" SATA drive and it's pretty straight forward to install/initialize.

Cheers!

The BDP will simultaneously output audio on all output devices (USB and spdif).  Playback from a USB source using the USB input on a BDA-2 is fine, I can't speak for the Berkeley though.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Jan 2015, 11:41 pm
BTW, if I connect my 1TB SSD internally, will the external eSATA port remain active? I'm using the eSATA port now for my SSD, prefer it to USB. Just wanted to know if I needed a second Hard Drive once the internal was installed, would I be relegated to USB only?

The BDP-2 has two sata interfaces, both can be used simultaneously.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dave Jameson on 5 Jan 2015, 04:27 pm
The BDP will simultaneously output audio on all output devices (USB and spdif).  Playback from a USB source using the USB input on a BDA-2 is fine, I can't speak for the Berkeley though.

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks Chris! I stand corrected. I have however experienced with (only) one DAC where it's USB input vanished from MM Audio Devices, upon selecting one of its other digital inputs. But I suspect this was very rare and isolated to just that DAC (or its firmware revision).

So to clarify, one could hook up a BDP2 to BDA2 with both USB and AES and simply switch between the DACs inputs with little audible hesitation?
Title: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bgilchrist on 15 Jan 2015, 11:25 pm
Hi ------ I bought a BDP-2 a few weeks ago and I'm having a few issues getting it to operate the way I'd like.  Serial # is 000605  firmware  S2.06 2014-10-07

First -- I have a number of Logitech squeezebox clients -- A Touch / Radio and Modwright Transporter (the transporter is being replaced with the BDP-2)  But I would like to use the Squeezebox software exclusively for all devices and the IPENG remote software that I use for LMS control - this was one of the deciding factors in choosing the BDP-2 to replace my Transporter.

I'm not sure if this makes any difference -- but I have the LMS software installed on a QNAP TS879 Pro server with 32 TB of storage space and roughly 180,000 songs -- and I have no software that is specific to the BDP or MPD interface installed on the server - ( but I do have the LMS software installed on the server )

I can view and access my complete music library with both MPD and / or the Logitech software -- through a networked PC client and / or with an IPAD & I phone -- using MPOD and or IPENG ------

I have installed Squeezelite in the services section and enabled the following services ( disabling all the others and ensuring the playlist is empty when I enable the squeezelite service )
USB Mount
Squeezelite
DLNA Renderer
DLNA Client
I Also ensured that there is nothing selected in the MPD settings section (MPD version 17.5)

Once this is done -- the BDP shows up as a client on the LMS software interface -- and everything works fine. 
But as soon as I turn the BDP-2 off and restart it -- the Squeezelite service gets turned off and the MPD service gets turned back on - and the BDP no longer shows up as a client in the LMS software.
The display on the front of the unit -- after displaying "initializing' -- is displays "installing MPD 17.5"

Am I missing a setting somewhere that keeps this from happening and ensures that Squeezlite is the only service that operates - and it stays that way when the BDP power is cycled ? - Or am I not enabling the correct services to properly use Squeezelite as the default interface.  It's not convenient at all to have to adjust the settings every time the unit is powered on or off.

Also ------ I constantly get this message on the MPD main page -- indicating that "Bryston DB crash detected" -------- occasionally it also says "no internet connection detected" ------- do you know how I can clear these messages & why they keep occurring?  And thirdly -- I cannot get Artist display to complete the scanning process -- I've left it for more than 24 hours several times -- but it never gets past 95% --Just reads "SORTING MUSIC INTO BRYSTON" -- and never completes -- I never have this issue with LMS -- only with MPD ----- although my library is 180,000 songs -- they are well tagged - so this is not the problem -- The library displays fine with all the album art on MPoD and MPaD -- but it won't display on the left pane with MPD ------- I'm using a 4GB USB key for the scratch drive -- is this perhaps too small -- how do I set up the scratch drive on my server -- when it doesn't show up as an option when I'm in that section -- it only allows me to select from attached drives -- and apart from a USB key -- I don't want to attach an external drive simply for this purpose -- I have 6TB free on my server that I would rather use --

Any help you can provide would be appreciated -- the unit sounds great -- but the functionality falls short of my expectations compared to the Logitech transporter I've used for years

thanks a lot

Bart
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jan 2015, 12:05 am
Hi Bart

Please contact Gary Dayton at Bryston and copy him on this.

gdayton@bryston.com

james


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Jan 2015, 01:55 am
Hi Bart,

Well the db crash message appears because the artist view won't build, hence the message indicating something has crashed.  If you click the message it should take you to the log generated by this program and the last entry should be the file that caused the crash.  If you havn't set a scratch drive, then this is likley why it never finishes.

The message installing MPD upon startup is normal, regardless if it's disabled or not.

As to why the squeezelite doesn't turn back on after a reboot, you'll need to place the BDP into service mode and email us the service id along with a short description.  I can't say it's been thoroughly tested either, beyond turning it on and playing something for a day.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bgilchrist on 16 Jan 2015, 05:56 pm
Thanks Chris / James

I will communicate with Gary

As far as the scratch drive question -- I have created a scratch drive -- on a USB key inserted in one of the rear ports -- but it is only a 4GB key -- and with 180,000 songs -- I'm wondering if it is too small -- and I'd like to know if I have the option of setting the scratch drive up on the server -- but this doesn't seem to be an option when I attempt to set it up --- there is no ability to select anything other than an attached drive -

Bart
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jan 2015, 03:59 am
The scratch drive contains a swap file, making hosting it on a server not possible.  A 4GB flash drive could very well be full.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jan 2015, 01:16 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112868)


OK, It's time for reference digital source - Bryston BDP-2 & BDA 2 double review (for now only in Polish)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112869)


http://soundrebels.com/artykuly/recenzje/item/494-bryston-bdp-2-bda-2
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 17 Jan 2015, 03:26 pm
I was able to right click the link and translate to English
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 17 Jan 2015, 03:28 pm
Here is the last paragraph translated:

"Listening Brystonów turned out to be magical for me back to a time when there were quality and longevity. To a time when clear to everyone, that is, for producers and consumers was what it was all over the Hi-fi and High-End far and in which direction should follow the development, progress. Unfortunately, it's been a dozen years earlier ideals were speaking gently slight remodeling. Looking at which way the market is, at what price ceilings representing the device appear as an acceptable level of quality and how ridiculously expensive it becomes high-end it is hardly surprising that more than two weeks from the BDP-2 and BDA 2 made me great and genuine joy. Because how can you not enjoy that almost obscenely well-equipped player and converter Canadian producer at a surprisingly affordable price will play a truly high-end level, and instead of focusing attention on yourself will allow the listener to rediscover the pleasure of communing with the music given as has been recorded.
It is unfortunate that so few devices on the market similar to Brystonów, though ... on the other hand, just with this state of affairs should be glad Bryston. High-end source for approx. Twenty thousand PLN? Surreal? Well, just in case Bryston hear it and believe it.

Marcin Olszewski"
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jan 2015, 03:38 pm
Hi Phil

I think there are 2 reviewers involved and each with a final comment
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 17 Jan 2015, 03:48 pm
James - you're correct - did not scroll down all the way on the page.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 17 Jan 2015, 03:50 pm
Second one:

“BRYSTON-a device with the generally accepted standard widths are relatively thin slices (approx. 6 inches), recalling somewhat fixable with cancers of the pro market products, which as we know is his main area of interest. Fortunately, entering the world of household has eased somewhat simplistic visual and what reached the tests successfully is within the aesthetics of most brothers audiophile, including our second half. Flat proudly display boxes with thick aluminum fronts scratched, and their specific information and useful equipment determine the tasks to be performed. And so, in addition to the player a two-line display allows a centrally located slightly imperfect, but always without adequate support for your tablet or smartphone, on the left flank yet received two USB inputs, and the right set of control and - navigation buttons. DAC due to different frequency signal processing is provided in several diodes informant about timing, located slightly to the left of the center of the device and a row of buttons initiating various types of inputs on the right wing. Interestingly, this is not overwhelming multitude of manipulators, so that using the narrow planes should be regarded as a success. The rear wall just enjoying our eyes to the front panel are representatives of clusters needed to work all kinds of sockets: USB, AES / EBU COAXIAL, BNC, LAN, RCA, XLR etc. You can choose the color, fully satisfying the needs of even the most unleashed connections. Drowning everything so richly armed with the products would be tiring, on the other hand, knowing that Martin probably Streamline issued with one in his monologue, let me conclude visualization paragraph and move on to describe my exciting adventure with a representative of the latest trends in music.

I mentioned in the editorial life very facilitate self-organization process described Bryston today - which I used deliberately and since dim my knowledge and experience in the subject of use of the tablet, as well as compatibility with various audio components, I will not artificially externalized, leaving the brylującemu case in these topics to Martin. Therefore, out of respect for the readers only take care of the sound, and that the test set connected to the hard disk was uploaded a few best of my position labels, no major problems can be defined as presenting our tandem BDP and BDA anointed as version 2.

As sometimes happens, the first hurdle passed the test statement in Warsaw KAIM-e, which is always an additional and also an interesting experience, because quite often not confirmed in my audio mecca, clearly proving the existence of a large impact on the rest of the set of synergies calls. But looking at this aspect, on the other hand, when there is only one we built for the mutual matching set - apart from the rest of the components of columns is tuning them one constructor, I I have an slightly larger range of combinations, trying to make the best possible help to the tested device in passed an examination of the quality of the generated sound. And if someone thinks my biased approach for blurring the truth about the product, it remind you that our puzzles are just nothing but a collection of hardware coalition painstakingly matched, not throwing the shoe into the vortex of a foreign-going events with one aim - must deal with, otherwise it is worthless. Even the choice of the portfolio of one brand does not guarantee complete success - unless you like for me everything is one, let alone a combination of different schools to build electronics. Much for my carriage for your club performance. But back to our player, this time what I heard away and at home, have a lot in common. Namely, from the first bars of music can be heard that is very smooth plikowiec as colleagues at a meeting tagged devoid generated look-player raid. When confronted is stationed at my split CD-pretty, behavior was very similar tones, giving a consistent message of music. The only drawback, which is likely to be easy to eliminate, it was the sound dim light, giving a feeling of mild lack of breath and sparks in the upper registers. Interestingly, this effect was far less engaging than me in the club, but here and there it was not in any way a failure, just a different level of open upper midrange and treble, which is too bright to check the system, as with longing the expected cure. As I listened to the actions of Canadians, overtook me sound positioning nakarmionego conclusion of the test files set in the aesthetics of the lamp. Colorfully, evenly, smoothly, but with a bit of madness utemperowanym attack and mountains. Obviously cited aspects are not assigned to any type of products based on glass bubble, but visiting them threatening me like accretions betrayed. To illustrate the subject, let's take one of the ripped to the hard disc EST band called "Viatikum". Looking across the board by the whole spectrum of sound, compact and plikowiec went in a very similar transmission with the only difference being that the slightly higher resolution so important for human and openness diameter plates of my drive to increase the level of spontaneity music. But calm down beforehand that after listening kilkominutowym without switching, points out the differences quickly departed into oblivion, allowing me to delve into a few bars of music. BDA and BDP with two at the end, provide equal playing me so that I will not be too much melted on individual bands, because looking at it as a whole, all ranges so tuned that even the slightest generate feelings of detachment from each other. At the meeting, some listeners looking for weak points in this regard, but knowing their marudność and, more importantly, proven skills, designing, and sometimes they do it by force, to which, of course, as a kind of reviewers have every right. And I'm taking their insights on the wallpaper while listening at home, I have an interesting baggage information to verify what I use always carefully. Undisputed and positive aspect of products from Canada was built wide and deep stage. Nay, even the amount of information coming from it despite this lack luster did not differ from my expectations. All virtual sources without any problems gave a full range of data about, easily passing an exam of the resolution. Really, it was engaging play and when our heroes appear in a slightly different statement - read brighter, the scrolling through the description of a gentle touch of vitality to hold in check, it will disappear as if by magic. At the end of our meeting, I will add that the devices are sensitive to the wiring, which quite easily could be heard during sparring club. Due to the two-boxed set and its possible connection protection, I took from the home of your high street Harmonix'a (komputerówki the same evil). While listening wanting a little experiment, we changed them on the club Hand made, but the immediate slimming, and thus drying media, even involuntarily forced us to return to the first cable configuration - obviously do not have to explain the fact that a bad reaction to these devices renders wires of course, only a lack of synergy, not their quality deficiencies. Thus, considering the very pleasant, low set in color playing blocks provided for review and have in reserve the option of putting the kablologii process, I encourage you to listen to a file of that set, and you may find that inadvertently entered a new audiophile way.

Biased configuration problems until recently I had an ambivalent relationship to similar Brystonowi inventions. But as you can see in the example, the world is moving towards a better and suddenly it turns out that the designers have started to take care of the laity in the subject line of service. What's more, the sound itself evaluates to me in a good direction, which as we know, for everyone involved in the audiophile sound quality is a very important element. Freed from the musical message is technical raid shows us that the files are not as bad as they paint, and it is now firmly in favor of their advantage. Taking a test kit from Canada, I was afraid of everything - from firing the set, the pleasure of listening, so very pleasantly surprised encourage stakeholders to confront this format with their experiences and expectations, and it may be that it's just now looked out the long time change the format of the main source of our audio system.

Jacek Pazio

The test system is a complete set of business Combak Corporation
Electronics Reimyo:
- split Cd player: CDT - 777 + DAP - 999 EX
- tube preamp: CAT - 777 MK II
- solid state power amplifier: KAP - 777
- integrated amplifier Vitus Audio RI - 100
Columns: Gauder AKUSTIK CASSIANO
Power cables: Harmonix X-DC 350M2R Improved Version
Speaker cables: Harmonix HS 101-EXQ
IC RCA: Harmonix HS 101-GP
digital IC: Harmonix HS 102
Table: SOLID BASE VI
Accessories:
- Vibration: feet the power amplifier Harmonix TU 505EX MK II
- Supply: AC Enacom Harmonix Improved for 100-240V
- Acoustic: Harmonix Mini Disk Tuning Room RFA-80i
- PDU POWER BASE HIGH END
Track Analog:
- turntable:
drive: Dr. Feickert Analogue "Twin"
shoulder SME V
insert: Dynavector XX-2 MKII
phono preamp: RCM THERIAA”
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 24 Jan 2015, 03:27 pm
If I download Jazz at the Pawnshop from hdtrack in 352/24 pcm, will I then be able to play it from my BDP-2 over USB with Manic Moose firmware? The dac supports it, but does the Bryston?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jan 2015, 03:30 pm
If I download Jazz at the Pawnshop from hdtrack in 352/24 pcm, will I then be able to play it from my BDP-2 over USB with Manic Moose firmware? The dac supports it, but does the Bryston?

It should, but we have never tested it
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 26 Jan 2015, 04:45 pm
A question to Chris, I guess. Is there a way to empty the "trashes" folder on HDD installed in BDP-2 without removing it? By now I know how to delete the files without them appearing in Trashes, but couple of albums do show twice, because they got into that folder. Thanks!!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 27 Jan 2015, 01:59 am
Delete the .Trashes folder over  the network, currently that's it.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 27 Jan 2015, 02:03 am
Delete the .Trashes folder over  the network, currently that's it.

Cheers
Chris

My MacBook doesn't see it. naturally, as it was formatted on a MacBook
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 28 Jan 2015, 12:50 am
It should, but we have never tested it
Well, now I've tried it and it does work.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 29 Jan 2015, 01:41 am
I guess the only thing left is 384
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 29 Jan 2015, 06:36 am
Well, now I've tried it and it does work.

You can always login to the BDP-2 using ssh and delete anything you want ;)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 29 Jan 2015, 03:48 pm
You can always login to the BDP-2 using ssh and delete anything you want ;)

I'm afraid, I need an explanation of ssh :)

When I connect to bryston SSD via finder on my Mac, the Trashes folder cannot be seen (This is only natural for Mac-formatted drives). I do see the .Trashes folder when I browse the SSD using the MPD but don't have an option to delete it or clean it there.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 29 Jan 2015, 08:36 pm
I think when you log in using ssh it won't hide the .Trashes folder.
Type this in the Terminal:
ssh -Y <IP address of BDP-2> -l bryston
(you may be asked if you want to continue connecting, type 'yes')
(type the password)
After a few seconds the prompt appears. My external hard disk is mounted as /media, you can type 'mount' to figure out how the internal hard disk is mounted.
Now you can navigate to the mounted drive: e.g. cd /media/AUDIO,
list files: ls -l
then delete the .Trashes folder: rm -R .Trashes

HTH.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 29 Jan 2015, 08:43 pm
Can you check please?? - copied the line into terminal -getting s syntax error. Is it literally

ssh -Y<XX.X.X.XX>-I bryston

?

Thanks again!

I think when you log in using ssh it won't hide the .Trashes folder.
Type this in the Terminal:
ssh -Y <IP address of BDP-2> -l bryston
(you may be asked if you want to continue connecting, type 'yes')
(type the password)
After a few seconds the prompt appears. My external hard disk is mounted as /media, you can type 'mount' to figure out how the internal hard disk is mounted.
Now you can navigate to the mounted drive: e.g. cd /media/AUDIO,
list files: ls -l
then delete the .Trashes folder: rm -R .Trashes

HTH.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 29 Jan 2015, 09:43 pm
Is it literally   ssh -Y<XX.X.X.XX>-I bryston   ?

The carat symbols themselves do not get entered and there is a space before and after the IP Address.

ssh -Y xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -I bryston

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dreamseeker on 29 Jan 2015, 10:42 pm
I guess the only thing left is 384
Will we ever know...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 29 Jan 2015, 10:49 pm
The carat symbols themselves do not get entered and there is a space before and after the IP Address.

ssh -Y xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -I bryston

Steve
Thank you, Steve! Managed to get through to the point when asked for a password with your help :). But when I type it - nothing happens (no symbols appear as I type)? Should it be that way? Or am I doing something wrong again?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 29 Jan 2015, 10:54 pm
Managed to get through to the point when asked for a password with your help :) . But when I type it - nothing happens (no symbols appear as I type)? Should it be that way? Or am I doing something wrong again?

That's normal.  For security reasons onlookers cannot see the length of the password, although it's not like you need high security in this particular application!   ;)

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 30 Jan 2015, 12:04 am
That's normal.  For security reasons onlookers cannot see the length of the password, although it's not like you need high security in this particular application!   ;)

Steve

Sorry for being that dumb, but I couldn't find the answer anywhere :) Terminal by default tries to log in with my Mac username, while BDP's default username is bryston. Couldn't find a place to change the username/password on the BDP  :duh: :duh: :duh: :D :D :D
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bgilchrist on 3 Feb 2015, 12:41 am
Hi -- It there a setting that keeps my library from updating every time I cycle the power ------ my library remains only partially useful for at least an hour while the UPDATE tab above the playlist remains blue.  During this time - while my library populates -- nothing is in alphabetical order -- so I have a limited selection to play from until the UPDATE tab changes from blue to white -and during this time -- I can't find anything I'm looking for -- as the search feature & drop down alpha tabs don't work - once UPDATE is white -- then my Library is sorted properly and accessible.  This is very frustrating - as I sometimes only have an hour or two to listen to music -- and it can take that long to gain proper access to the library.

Can the library be saved in Cache -- and only new additions be added based on the date stamp they were added.  Would also be nice if a tab for NEWLY ADDED MUSIC could be built -- so you can have quick access to recently added music -- instead of trying to remember what you've added in the past few weeks -- allowing you to change the # of albums in this list from say 20 to 200 -- so you can easily access recently added material

thanks

Bart
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Feb 2015, 01:30 am
Sorry for being that dumb, but I couldn't find the answer anywhere :) Terminal by default tries to log in with my Mac username, while BDP's default username is bryston. Couldn't find a place to change the username/password on the BDP  :duh: :duh: :duh: :D :D :D

ssh root@192.168.1.100

Password is

bryston
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Feb 2015, 01:32 am
Hi -- It there a setting that keeps my library from updating every time I cycle the power ------ my library remains only partially useful for at least an hour while the UPDATE tab above the playlist remains blue.  During this time - while my library populates -- nothing is in alphabetical order -- so I have a limited selection to play from until the UPDATE tab changes from blue to white -and during this time -- I can't find anything I'm looking for -- as the search feature & drop down alpha tabs don't work - once UPDATE is white -- then my Library is sorted properly and accessible.  This is very frustrating - as I sometimes only have an hour or two to listen to music -- and it can take that long to gain proper access to the library.

Can the library be saved in Cache -- and only new additions be added based on the date stamp they were added.  Would also be nice if a tab for NEWLY ADDED MUSIC could be built -- so you can have quick access to recently added music -- instead of trying to remember what you've added in the past few weeks -- allowing you to change the # of albums in this list from say 20 to 200 -- so you can easily access recently added material

thanks

Bart

Those settings are mentioned in the manual

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Does your BDP not ever finish the update process?  If not there could be some thing wrong, you should place the BDP into servce mode and email us the service id.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 15 Feb 2015, 07:39 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=115053)

Often on display of my BDP-2 appears to be a '' N '' instead of the usual arrow.
Is it all right?

Roberto

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Feb 2015, 03:54 am
That should be resolved in S2.10
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 16 Feb 2015, 07:20 am
I tried upgrading from 2.06 to 2.10 a few days ago. The BDP-2 said it downloaded and installed the firmware, then rebooted. Once it rebooted, it was still 2.06. I tried this three times and had the same result each time.

Is there anything I should have done to get this update to work?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Feb 2015, 06:08 pm
I tried upgrading from 2.06 to 2.10 a few days ago. The BDP-2 said it downloaded and installed the firmware, then rebooted. Once it rebooted, it was still 2.06. I tried this three times and had the same result each time.

Is there anything I should have done to get this update to work?

- Garrett

The readme file that appears before pushing the update button, which version of the firmware is indicating to be installed?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 17 Feb 2015, 08:20 am
The readme file that appears before pushing the update button, which version of the firmware is indicating to be installed?
2.10
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 17 Feb 2015, 06:48 pm
I just tried updating, but I still have 2.6. In fact, I don't even see that update (2.10) as even available.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 17 Feb 2015, 09:38 pm
Yeah, the 2.10 update isn't there anymore for me either. I'm guessing it was an error that it showed up?

It's now showing 2.06 as current.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 17 Feb 2015, 10:05 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Feb 2015, 12:29 pm
Ricjor1  Ricjor
Senior Member

 
I've been in this hobby for 20 plus years. I've owned several Wilson Audio speakers, Parasound, PS Audio, and a few others. Let me just say emphatically that Bryston has the best customer service that I've ever experienced. I recently purchased a BDP-2 and had a few questions. I was put in contact with Gary Dayton of Bryston and he has gone above and beyond what I expected.

This is what all companies should strive for...the bonus is the BDP-2 sounds fantastic!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Feb 2015, 01:44 am
Yeah, the 2.10 update isn't there anymore for me either. I'm guessing it was an error that it showed up?

It's now showing 2.06 as current.

S2.10 is currently a beta, the only way to install it is following these directions

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=134
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 19 Feb 2015, 06:39 pm
Thanks. Any idea when it will be available as a working update?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Feb 2015, 02:20 am
At this point I'm just waiting for a slow Friday, followed by a Slow Monday
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 23 Feb 2015, 10:35 pm
:)

We all hope this for you.  Both for our selfish reasons and for your benefit.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 4 Mar 2015, 10:53 pm
I just noticed that the front usb ports won't play my external hardrives, only usb sticks.
The rear usb ports works fine with my hard drives.
Is this normal?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Mar 2015, 11:12 pm
I just noticed that the front usb ports won't play my external hardrives, only usb sticks.
The rear usb ports works fine with my hard drives.
Is this normal?

Hi

Yes the rear ports have more current than the fronts

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 5 Mar 2015, 08:25 am
I have my WD Passport 1 TB plugged into the front USB port, and it works fine. I suppose your hard disk requires more current.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrysTony on 5 Mar 2015, 12:36 pm
I have my WD Passport 1 TB plugged into the front USB port, and it works fine. I suppose your hard disk requires more current.

I recall from discussion way back that the front ports share power with the top rear USB port.  So if the top rear was unused and you use only one front port there should be no problem.

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Mar 2015, 12:50 pm
I recall from discussion way back that the front ports share power with the top rear USB port.  So if the top rear was unused and you use only one front port there should be no problem.

Tony

That applies to the BDP-1, the BDP-2 is much beefier; before releasing the product we had six hard drives powered by the BDP-2.  If the hard drive consumes less then 500mA and you leave the rest of the USB ports unplugged a BDP-1 could potentially power a drive off of a front USB port.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 5 Mar 2015, 04:19 pm
Thanks for the reply's.
I tried using 2-1TB HP Hardrives to the front ports to no avail. They only worked when plugged into the back ports.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: guildenstern on 6 Mar 2015, 05:34 pm
How do I remove a NAS drive from my BDP-2?

I have gone into current Manic Moose dashboard > NAS Setup, clicked radio button for the NAS drive I want to remove, then clicked the Remove button. Nothing happens. The drive is still there on  the interface. I have tried turning the BDP-2 on and off, and refreshing the Manic Moose dashboard page, but the drive remains on the interface.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 6 Mar 2015, 05:48 pm
I also have a question. Updated to the newest software just yesterday. Every time I switch on the BDP-2 it takes ages to initialize as the player says it's installing MPD 17... It took couple of minutes before the update. Any advise?
In simple English please! Last time I asked about .Trashes folder I couldn't repeat what I have been advised to do  :lol: most probably because I'm not smart enough  :duh: :duh: :duh:to understand the specialist's language. Thank you!
And one more thing - can't make the squeezeslave mode work - it keeps "on" literally 3-4 seconds when I try to switch it on before switching to "off" position all by itself.  Thanks God it's Friday!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Mar 2015, 10:44 pm
How do I remove a NAS drive from my BDP-2?

I have gone into current Manic Moose dashboard > NAS Setup, clicked radio button for the NAS drive I want to remove, then clicked the Remove button. Nothing happens. The drive is still there on  the interface. I have tried turning the BDP-2 on and off, and refreshing the Manic Moose dashboard page, but the drive remains on the interface.

Thanks for your help.

give it about 5 to 10 minutes after clicking the remove button.  at some point in that 10 minutes the bdp should restart on its own.  if you still can't get rid of it you can do a reset to factory defaults.  Or connect to the network share created by the bdp called "USER" and remove the nas settings from the file labeled nas.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 6 Mar 2015, 10:47 pm
I also have a question. Updated to the newest software just yesterday. Every time I switch on the BDP-2 it takes ages to initialize as the player says it's installing MPD 17... It took couple of minutes before the update. Any advise?
In simple English please! Last time I asked about .Trashes folder I couldn't repeat what I have been advised to do  :lol: most probably because I'm not smart enough  :duh: :duh: :duh:to understand the specialist's language. Thank you!
And one more thing - can't make the squeezeslave mode work - it keeps "on" literally 3-4 seconds when I try to switch it on before switching to "off" position all by itself.  Thanks God it's Friday!

sounds like squeezeslave is unable to find the squeezebox server, thats the normal behavior when a squeezebox server isn't running on the network.  Personally i havn't noticed the firmware take any longer to boot, has it occurred more then once?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: guildenstern on 6 Mar 2015, 11:14 pm
give it about 5 to 10 minutes after clicking the remove button.  at some point in that 10 minutes the bdp should restart on its own.  if you still can't get rid of it you can do a reset to factory defaults.  Or connect to the network share created by the bdp called "USER" and remove the nas settings from the file labeled nas.

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks for the guidance, Chris. Happy weekend to you.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ebogda01 on 7 Mar 2015, 03:28 am
sounds like squeezeslave is unable to find the squeezebox server, thats the normal behavior when a squeezebox server isn't running on the network.  Personally i havn't noticed the firmware take any longer to boot, has it occurred more then once?

Cheers,
Chris

I only tried it couple of times and decided to leave the player on. But both times it took around 10 minutes or so. As for the squeezeslave - The server (I tried to use I-pad and a MacBook) doesn't see the player. I tried to start the search simultaneously and in different order - the slave mode turns off before they manage to find each other  :D :D :D
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: guildenstern on 7 Mar 2015, 08:19 pm
give it about 5 to 10 minutes after clicking the remove button.  at some point in that 10 minutes the bdp should restart on its own.  if you still can't get rid of it you can do a reset to factory defaults.  Or connect to the network share created by the bdp called "USER" and remove the nas settings from the file labeled nas.

Cheers,
Chris

Regarding the suggestion to "connect to the network share created by the bdp called 'USER' and remove the nas settings from the file labeled nas" -- I found rhe file labeled nas but Windows does not recognize what kind of file it is and can't open it. I tried opening with Notepad and saw a string of text with various settings, but I changed nothing for fear of making things worse. What program can be used to open the nas file?

Might just have to resort to reset to factory defaults.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Mar 2015, 01:47 pm
You could just delete the NAS file and use  the built in wizard to create the shares you want.
Title: Strange Red Disc View after Ver 2.10 Upgrade
Post by: Falldog on 9 Mar 2015, 01:11 am
Howdy Folks,
After upgrading to Ver 2.10, I have this strange "red" list of my Discs in the Home View.  Attached a screen shot.  BDP2D is my main disc and Lexar is a thumbdrive for Scratch.

Anyone one knows how to get rid of this?

Thanks
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116482)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Mar 2015, 03:32 am
That's the show missing files and folders from the MPD database feature found in the in the media player settings.
Title: Strange Red Disc View after Ver 2.10 Upgrade
Post by: Falldog on 9 Mar 2015, 08:20 pm
Ha!

Thanks unincognito. 

I turned off the "Show missing file & folders from MPD database".  Now the strange red disc view is gone.

Cool.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 11 Mar 2015, 09:12 am

What is the best way to integrate TIDAL playback into the BDP-2? I am thinking about subscribing.
Thanks!

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RonCH on 11 Mar 2015, 10:10 am
What is the best way to integrate TIDAL playback into the BDP-2? I am thinking about subscribing.
Thanks!

It will be fully supported in summer.  Take a look at this thread: http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=198
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lostsoul on 11 Mar 2015, 10:43 am
Thank you for the quick reply. I'll make sure I download the latest beta.
I did not realize the support forums started to work. Cool!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 12 Mar 2015, 11:29 am
I have connected up a suitable DAC to my BDP-2 but I find that the Audio Devices page in MM does not provide any facility for seeing the DAC or checking a box as described in the manual. However I can play DSD64 files to my DAC so obviously it is recognized.

I am unable to get the BDP-2 to play DSD128 or DSD256. Is this correct?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2015, 11:54 am
Hi

Which DSD DAC are you using?

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 12 Mar 2015, 12:09 pm
I used my Meitner MA 1 DAC for DSD64 and borrowed an Oppo H1 for the higher numbers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Mar 2015, 12:14 pm
I have connected up a suitable DAC to my BDP-2 but I find that the Audio Devices page in MM does not provide any facility for seeing the DAC or checking a box as described in the manual. However I can play DSD64 files to my DAC so obviously it is recognized.

I am unable to get the BDP-2 to play DSD128 or DSD256. Is this correct?

You need to have S2.10 2015-03-02 installed and select MPD 0.18.21 to play dsd128
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 12 Mar 2015, 12:19 pm
You need to have S2.10 2015-03-02 installed and select MPD 0.18.21 to play dsd128

Thanks, Chris.

I will change the MPD setting.

Is DSD256 not available at this time?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Mar 2015, 01:06 pm
Dunno, don't have any to test
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 12 Mar 2015, 02:11 pm
Dunno, don't have any to test

Just sign up for the Just Listen Native DSD Newsletter and you get a sampler (download) including various formats - https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/albums/just-listen-1-compilation

And then you get a download free that changes once or twice per week - https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player - Failed Firmware Upgrade
Post by: Samurai7595 on 13 Mar 2015, 09:04 pm
My Bryston BDP-2 is still on firmware 1.60.  Last night, via my iPad Mini (Safari), I ran a Firmware Upgrade to upgrade it to 1.75 or 1.76 (cannot remember right now).  It took forever to run and in the end it failed.  What next?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116747)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player - Failed Firmware Upgrade
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Mar 2015, 10:43 pm
My Bryston BDP-2 is still on firmware 1.60.  Last night, via my iPad Mini (Safari), I ran a Firmware Upgrade to upgrade it to 1.75 or 1.76 (cannot remember right now).  It took forever to run and in the end it failed.  What next?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=116747)

Email Gary - he may be able to help - gdayton@bryston.com

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player - Failed Firmware Upgrade
Post by: Samurai7595 on 13 Mar 2015, 11:06 pm
Email Gary - he may be able to help - gdayton@bryston.com

james

Will do, thanks James!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 14 Mar 2015, 08:39 am
Hi guys!

Do all of these discussions about DSD and MPD apply to BDP-1 as well?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 25 Mar 2015, 03:30 pm
S2.06 2014-10-07   MPD 0.18.6
Hey Chris:
  Have not visited MM for a long time.  Use MPOD exclusivly for control.  Noticed the new version is
S2.10 2015-03-02 which is quite a jump from my above version.  Can I go straight to the new version or do I need interum versions installed first?

 The few times I did look at MM there was never an update message displayed.

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Mar 2015, 12:50 am
S2.06 2014-10-07   MPD 0.18.6
Hey Chris:
  Have not visited MM for a long time.  Use MPOD exclusivly for control.  Noticed the new version is
S2.10 2015-03-02 which is quite a jump from my above version.  Can I go straight to the new version or do I need interum versions installed first?

 The few times I did look at MM there was never an update message displayed.

  Thanks, Rich

S2.10 is was actually a complete redevelopment on a new Linux Kernel, so we went that long without any updates in-between. We have developed the firmware in such a way that you can jump any number of versions between updates.  Although in your case your just going from the second last stable to the most recent stable.

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Mar 2015, 12:52 am
Hi guys!

Do all of these discussions about DSD and MPD apply to BDP-1 as well?

Cheers!
Antun

We have tested DSD64 on a BDP-1, not sure about DSD128.  We try to maintain the firmware in such a way that any features introduced aren't excluded from the BDP-1.

Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Mar 2015, 11:16 am
Do the BDP's ship with the latest firmware?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Mar 2015, 06:58 pm
Yes
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Mar 2015, 08:00 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 1 Apr 2015, 03:56 am
You need to have S2.10 2015-03-02 installed and select MPD 0.18.21 to play dsd128


I am unable to persuade the BDP-2 to play DSD128.

Has anyone had success with this?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 1 Apr 2015, 04:55 am

I am unable to persuade the BDP-2 to play DSD128.

Has anyone had success with this?

It was tested with a PS Audio DAC and BDA-3
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 1 Apr 2015, 06:49 pm
Yes, no problem (over USB) to Chord Hugo.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 18 Apr 2015, 11:46 pm
Does the BDP-2 support gigabit ethernet or just 10/100Mbit?

I just transferred about 10 CDs (ripped to FLAC via dbPoweramp) from my Windows desktop computer to the OCZ Vector-4 solid state internal drive on my BDP-2, and then transferred the same files to my server (which has a regular Western Digital "red" HDD). Both the BDP-2 and server and desktop are all connected via Cat-6 cable, Netgear gigabit switches and a Netgear R7000 router, all supporting gigabit speeds.

The transfer speed to the BDP-2 was about 17MB/sec (megabytes). The transfer of the same files to the server was about 80MB/sec.

At the end of the day, I don't transfer files to the BDP-2 very often, so it's not problematic. But I was wondering if there's anything I can do to speed up the data transfer speed?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 19 Apr 2015, 03:09 am
Does the BDP-2 support gigabit ethernet or just 10/100Mbit?

According to the BDP-2 Owner's Manual it states that it does have Gigabit Ethernet.

"The BDP-1 and BDP-2 include Ethernet network interfaces capable of 100 megabits per second (100 mbps) and 1 gigabit per second (1000 mbps) respectively. Real world network conditions make it unlikely that these maximum speeds will ever be realized, but only 3 megabytes (24 megabits) per second are required for high resolution music playback."

Your 80MB/s transfer rate seems like a reasonable real world gigabit speed, not sure why your BDP-2 is only just over a fifth of that.  :scratch: Must have something to do with the SSD and SATA interface.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 19 Apr 2015, 06:51 am
Yeah, the SSDs in both my desktop and the BDA-2 are capable of the 80MB/sec transfer rate. The even an older SATA bus would support that too. My best guess is the SATA driver in the BDA-2 isn't optimized for that (since that data rate isn't necessary for playing music). If not, I was hoping that perhaps a different brand of drive might fix it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 02:03 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Announcing Bryston Integrated Audio Device Card


May, 2015

Hi Folks,

We have been working on a Bryston proprietary “Integrated Audio Device” card with much improved specifications to replace the current two-piece ‘Soundcard’ and ‘SPDIF interface module’ (AES/BNC) utilized in our current BDP-2 Digital Player.

I am happy to report that an all new integrated version of the BDP-2 audio card is now going into production and should be available in a few weeks from now. All BDP-2’s currently on order will be fitted with the new Bryston integrated audio card.

Any current BDP-2 owners may have their units upgraded if desired.


James Tanner
Bryston
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 1 May 2015, 02:16 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Announcing Bryston Integrated Audio Device Card


May, 2015

Hi Folks,

We have been working on a Bryston proprietary “Integrated Audio Device” card with much improved specifications to replace the current two-piece ‘Soundcard’ and ‘SPDIF interface module’ (AES/BNC) utilized in our current BDP-2 Digital Player.

I am happy to report that an all new integrated version of the BDP-2 audio card is now going into production and should be available in a few weeks from now. All BDP-2’s currently on order will be fitted with the new Bryston integrated audio card.

Any current BDP-2 owners may have their units upgraded if desired.


James Tanner
Bryston


That's interesting James.  I'm an existing owner in the UK.  What will the charge be for the upgrade and does it have to go back to a dealer or could you trust owners to fit?

David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 02:41 pm
That's interesting James.  I'm an existing owner in the UK.  What will the charge be for the upgrade and does it have to go back to a dealer or could you trust owners to fit?

David

A competent company like PMC could do the swap.  I am still pricing the parts but I would say around $500 US.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 02:47 pm
So does this affect the BDP-2's price? I plan on ordering mine mid-June and the dealer wants a 50% deposit.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 02:48 pm
So what are the better specs?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 03:45 pm
So does this affect the BDP-2's price? I plan on ordering mine mid-June and the dealer wants a 50% deposit.

We are going to leave the price the same for now.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 03:46 pm

Below the threshold of our AP. Will put something together once we have production versions.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: haxter1 on 1 May 2015, 04:55 pm
Will the BDP-1 be upgradable or only the BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 05:25 pm
We are going to leave the price the same for now.

james

Sounds good to me :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 05:35 pm
Will the BDP-1 be upgradable or only the BDP-2.

Hi Haxter

Just the BDP-2.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 05:41 pm
Below the threshold of our AP. Will put something together once we have production versions.

james

What do you mean by "Below the threshold of our AP"?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 05:49 pm
What do you mean by "Below the threshold of our AP"?

We use very sophisticated analyzers and below threshold means it is below what the measuring gear can measure.

http://www.ap.com/products

Here's an example of what I mean from a reviewer measuring the BUC-1 - http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dacs/dacs-reviews/bryston-buc-1-usb-converter/page-4-on-the-bench.html

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 05:53 pm
Cool, thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vklyushnikov on 1 May 2015, 06:58 pm
Hi James,

How does a new audio card handles sample rate switching? Currently BDP-2 with BDA-2 fades about 500ms of track when sample rate changes on AES/EBU output. I had a long email conversation with Chris on this issue and he told me that this is shortcoming of SPDIF protocol. Are there any improvements in new device?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2015, 07:17 pm
Hi James,

How does a new audio card handles sample rate switching? Currently BDP-2 with BDA-2 fades about 500ms of track when sample rate changes on AES/EBU output. I had a long email conversation with Chris on this issue and he told me that this is shortcoming of SPDIF protocol. Are there any improvements in new device?

Hi

I can't say I have had that problem - the new one seems instantaneous.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vklyushnikov on 1 May 2015, 07:30 pm
This issue is noticeable on tracks without enough silence at beginning - for example first song from Led Zeppelin I hires reissue. And Chris has some sample wavs that I sent to him. It would be great if you check them on new card.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 07:54 pm
I have a connectivity question. I completely forgot that the BDP-2 doesn't have a toslink out and I currently don't have ether a BNC SPDIF cable or a AES/EBU cable. I have some BNC to RCA adapters I used to use for my component video cables. Can these be used to connect to my RCA SPDIF cable and if so will that cause any degradation to the signal transmission?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 1 May 2015, 08:51 pm
I have some BNC to RCA adapters I used to use for my component video cables. Can these be used to connect to my RCA SPDIF cable and if so will that cause any degradation to the signal transmission?

Of course no adapter is always technically better, but I think it's less of a problem than using an RCA cable that isn't 75 ohms.  While there's no shortage of 75 ohm cable, I don't think any RCA connectors are true 75 ohm.

Canare makes a "75 ohm" coaxial crimp connector that comes closer than many others, but I think it's a physics thing - the RCA coaxial dimensions just aren't big enough to maintain the 75 ohm impedance.  It's really a shame that RCA became the standard for consumer video and coaxial S/PDIF, while most all professional and prosumer equipment uses BNC for both.

So I think it's likely you won't discern a difference between using the adapter with an RCA cable versus having a RCA to BNC cable.

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 1 May 2015, 08:58 pm
+1 on the above.  Been using Canare for video for years and also when I make coax digital cables.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 1 May 2015, 10:37 pm
Of course no adapter is always technically better, but I think it's less of a problem than using an RCA cable that isn't 75 ohms.  While there's no shortage of 75 ohm cable, I don't think any RCA connectors are true 75 ohm.

Canare makes a "75 ohm" coaxial crimp connector that comes closer than many others, but I think it's a physics thing - the RCA coaxial dimensions just aren't big enough to maintain the 75 ohm impedance.  It's really a shame that RCA became the standard for consumer video and coaxial S/PDIF, while most all professional and prosumer equipment uses BNC for both.

So I think it's likely you won't discern a difference between using the adapter with an RCA cable versus having a RCA to BNC cable.

Steve

Thanks

This would be a stop gap solution so not permanent but it would buy me some time until I can get the Siltech Golden Ridge II AES/EBU I was thinking about. If doing the BNC adapter thing was simply not going to work then I would have had to move the AES/EBU purchase to be 1st before the BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 1 May 2015, 11:23 pm
If I'm using the USB out to I need to upgrade?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2015, 01:07 am
If I'm using the USB out to I need to upgrade?

NO - USB out bypasses the card.

james


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 2 May 2015, 04:16 pm
 Has anyone tried the BDP-2 with the Ayre QB9DSD?

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 May 2015, 05:35 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Announcing Bryston Integrated Audio Device Card

May, 2015

Hi Folks,

We have been working on a Bryston proprietary “Integrated Audio Device” card with much improved specifications to replace the current two-piece ‘Soundcard’ and ‘SPDIF interface module’ (AES/BNC) utilized in our current BDP-2 Digital Player.

I am happy to report that an all new integrated version of the BDP-2 audio card is now going into production and should be available in a few weeks from now.

All BDP-2’s currently on order will be fitted with the new Bryston integrated audio card.

BENEFITS:

•   No reliance on the quality level of third party products or having to modify said products

•   Improve the performance by hand selecting and testing all the components in house

•   Eliminates 3 connection points

•   Integrates the output module and the sound processing section into one circuit instead of two.

•   The Bryston audio device is directly powered by the high quality linear power supply rather than the motherboard.

 Any current BDP-2 owners may have their units upgraded if desired.

James Tanner
Bryston

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 12 May 2015, 03:17 am
James are you going to let us know when we can update? Did you find out if there is any chance we can do the upgrade ourselves?
Cheers,
BJ Hammell
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 12 May 2015, 06:42 am

...so the ESI Juli@ did a good job  :thumb: - but now it's time to say goodbye :cry:

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 12 May 2015, 11:19 am
HI James,

Sounds exciting. Do you have any measurements to substantiate the 'much improved specifications'? other than theoretical improvement, is there any evidence in the Demo, which is everything ;-) ?

Might be the clincher to go from BDP1 to BDP2 after all.

cheers,
Marius

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Announcing Bryston Integrated Audio Device Card

May, 2015

Hi Folks,

We have been working on a Bryston proprietary “Integrated Audio Device” card with much improved specifications to replace the current two-piece ‘Soundcard’ and ‘SPDIF interface module’ (AES/BNC) utilized in our current BDP-2 Digital Player.

I am happy to report that an all new integrated version of the BDP-2 audio card is now going into production and should be available in a few weeks from now.

All BDP-2’s currently on order will be fitted with the new Bryston integrated audio card.

BENEFITS:

•   No reliance on the quality level of third party products or having to modify said products

•   Improve the performance by hand selecting and testing all the components in house

•   Eliminates 3 connection points

•   Integrates the output module and the sound processing section into one circuit instead of two.

•   The Bryston audio device is directly powered by the high quality linear power supply rather than the motherboard.

 Any current BDP-2 owners may have their units upgraded if desired.

James Tanner
Bryston

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 May 2015, 12:55 pm
Hi Marius

Ultimately you have to listen to it for yourself as theoretical advantages do not always translate to perceivable results but I am happy with the sound I have at home and the practical aspects of not having to rely on third parties (and the issues that involves  :duh:) really makes my day easier  :thumb:

Will try to get you some shots of the measurements soon.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 12 May 2015, 01:36 pm
How long are the power cords on the BDP-2's? My BDP-2 will be sitting on the top shelf of my rack so that makes it a fair distance from my power conditioner.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 May 2015, 02:28 pm
How long are the power cords on the BDP-2's? My BDP-2 will be sitting on the top shelf of my rack so that makes it a fair distance from my power conditioner.

Hi Rod,

I believe 8 feet and 6 feet cords are available.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 12 May 2015, 02:42 pm
Ah that's excellent, thanks James.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 12 May 2015, 08:25 pm
Hi James,
is it a simple ugrade to do? Or BDP-2 must be sent to Bryston?

Roberto
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 May 2015, 09:33 pm
Hi James,
is it a simple ugrade to do? Or BDP-2 must be sent to Bryston?

Roberto

I would say a competent technician can do it.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vklyushnikov on 13 May 2015, 11:06 am
I would say a competent technician can do it.

james
Could Bryston provide a video instruction for card replacement? Such instruction was very helpful for installing internal SSD.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 13 May 2015, 03:16 pm
I would say a competent technician can do it.

james

Yes, a video may be helpful.
When Audio Device Card becomes available, it will be shipped from Bryston directly to us, or we will have to order it from the distributor?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 May 2015, 03:18 pm
Yes, a video may be helpful.
When Audio Device Card becomes available, it will be shipped from Bryston directly to us, or we will have to order it from the distributor?

I would say order it from the distributor as they have to meet all safety standards in their respective countries.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 May 2015, 11:26 am
Hi Folks,

Shot of the new Bryston designed and manufactured proprietary audio card in the BDP-2

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121116)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121117)

Old Juli@ Card
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 17 May 2015, 06:19 am
When do I send my BDP-2 in or will we be able to do it ourselves?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 17 May 2015, 09:23 am
Hi Folks,

Shot of the new Bryston designed and manufactured proprietary audio card in the BDP-2

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121116)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121117)

Old Juli@ Card

Thanks James! Let us know when we can order it!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 May 2015, 10:12 am
Please contact Mike Pickett for info on upgrade.

mpickett@bryston.com

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 17 May 2015, 08:32 pm
James

Has pricing for the new card been set and will it work in the BDP-1 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 02:14 am
James

Has pricing for the new card been set and will it work in the BDP-1 ?

Yes it will work in the BDP-1 - $500

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrysTony on 18 May 2015, 08:59 pm
James,

Do the connectors match up with existing wiring or is there some soldering required for the update?

Tony
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2015, 10:32 pm
James,

Do the connectors match up with existing wiring or is there some soldering required for the update?

Tony

I believe it is all mechanical but Mike would know better

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2015, 12:37 pm
James

Has pricing for the new card been set and will it work in the BDP-1 ?

Sorry - I checked and the new audio board will NOT work with the BDP-1 just the BDP-2.  Sorry for the miscommunication.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Spyman on 19 May 2015, 10:59 pm
That's okay. That just saves me $500!  :lol: I can put that toward a new BP 26, which I'm hoping to get next year.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 May 2015, 12:52 am
Yes it will work in the BDP-1 - $500

james

I don't believe it will work in the BDP-1
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 20 May 2015, 02:05 pm
When can we order? Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 May 2015, 04:31 pm
When can we order? Thanks

Hi

We are setting it up now - please contact Mike - mpickett@bryston.com
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 20 May 2015, 07:46 pm

...so how much is a BDP-2 now with the new audio card?

al.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 May 2015, 07:58 pm
...so how much is a BDP-2 now with the new audio card?

al.

Same price for now Al.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 20 May 2015, 08:02 pm
wow! :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: joey116 on 20 May 2015, 09:47 pm
Same price for now Al.

james

Or could there be a price reduction due to the savings from in-house manufacturing?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 May 2015, 11:26 pm
Or could there be a price reduction due to the savings from in-house manufacturing?

Hi

No there is no real savings doing it in house as the parts quality is much higher than in the third party sound-card.   Also in house manufacturing costs are higher due to smaller numbers of cards manufactured as well as hand testing of all parts and assembly costs of the new cards.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 21 May 2015, 12:44 am
James

Any plans to design and manufacture the computer motherboard in-house ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 May 2015, 12:47 am
By the time we were done designing an intel motherboard with CPU we'd be two or three generations behind, for the time being we are going to leave it to the professionals.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 21 May 2015, 08:43 pm
Bryston,

would you say that the new audio card improves the sound of the BDP-2?

al.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2015, 08:46 pm
Bryston,

would you say that the new audio card improves the sound of the BDP-2?

al.


Hi Al

The numbers are certainly better but when you get to a certain threshold  in some systems it may be noticeable and in others not.  The practical reason though of having total control over parts and assembly and no reliance on third party vendors is a huge advantage.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 21 May 2015, 08:46 pm

...and what serial number would have the first new card implemented??

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 May 2015, 08:52 pm
...and what serial number would have the first new card implemented??

al.

Good Question - I will find out.  We just started shipping this week filling backorders so there are no units at stores or distributors yet.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 21 May 2015, 11:42 pm
James

How long from order to shipping for new BDP-2 with new audio card ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2015, 12:16 am
James

How long from order to shipping for new BDP-2 with new audio card ?

Hi

We as of this morning are 72 backordered so about a week from order.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 22 May 2015, 04:24 pm
Guys:
 Would it be necessary to remove the installed HD before sending for upgrade?
Would the upgrade be a waste of bucks if only the USB out was being used?

   Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 May 2015, 04:35 pm
Guys:
 Would it be necessary to remove the installed HD before sending for upgrade?
Would the upgrade be a waste of bucks if only the USB out was being used?

   Thanks, Rich

Hi Rich

No need to remove the internal drive.  There would be NO advantage if you are using USB out.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: doveman on 23 May 2015, 12:35 am
I don't believe it will work in the BDP-1

Damn I think that you had a few of us bdp-1 guys excited for a minute. Not that I'm unhappy with the performance of the bdp-1 with the juli@ card.

I think the in-house Bryston card option deserves a big thumbs up, part of the attraction of your products is that they are hand made Not in China.

The price seems very reasonable for a small production item with high quality parts. Back when I assembled and fixed computers a "soundblaster" style sound card made in the volume of millions in some low cost country would have cost that much.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 23 May 2015, 02:24 pm
There are many superb pieces of kit, as well as components, made in China - as well as complete junk made in the States, Canada, and Europe.

Buy from high quality companies such as Bryston which vett and supply wonderful products.  Stop worrying about the country of manufacture.

P.S. ESI Audiotechnik GmbH, the manufacturer of the Juli@ card, makes products in China. :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 May 2015, 11:06 pm
There are many superb pieces of kit, as well as components, made in China - as well as complete junk made in the States, Canada, and Europe.

Buy from high quality companies such as Bryston which vett and supply wonderful products.  Stop worrying about the country of manufacture.

P.S. ESI Audiotechnik GmbH, the manufacturer of the Juli@ card, makes products in China. :)

I believe the sound cards are made in a factory in Taiwan
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 25 May 2015, 02:01 am
Where are the CPU boards for the BDP-1 and BDP-2 made ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 May 2015, 06:31 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston New Integrated Audio Device - Feedback


May 2015

Hi James,

“I am absolutely and thoroughly delighted to inform you that the BDP-2 has arrived and the set up took exactly 10 minutes !!

The sound straight out of the box is nothing short of ethereal.

The noise reduction and expansive soundstage is unreal! Coming from a PC based server to the BDP-2 has been more than just ear opening to say the least. As it settles in, I shall report my impressions, bout the new integrated sound card but from what I am listening, I am all ready to be bowled over.

Thanks to everyone at Bryston! This was well worth the wait !”

Cheers
Sujay,
South Africa
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 May 2015, 12:04 am
Where are the CPU boards for the BDP-1 and BDP-2 made ?

Don't hold me to this, but I believe Taiwan as well, but there designed to last more then five years
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 26 May 2015, 02:07 am
Very likely, as Taiwan houses a tremendous number of printed circuit board manufacturers.  It is one of their leading industries and they are exceedingly good at producing superb boards. 

For those who do not like China, Taiwan is the Republic of China (ROC) and not part of the People's Republic of China (PRC).  I am certain this will be a great relief. :green:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: superC on 28 May 2015, 03:56 am
just got a BDP2 today. Loving it!!!!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121808)



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2015, 08:51 am
just got a BDP2 today. Loving it!!!!


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=121808)

Enjoy!

What digital source were you using before?

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: superC on 28 May 2015, 03:43 pm
James - I was just running optical out from an airport express base station into the B100 DAC.  This is a huge step up.  And it was so easy to set up - very impressed.  Had a 1TB drive installed by my dealer - it's so easy to transfer music to the BDP.  I'm also very impressed with James at Absolute Audio in Calgary - first rate service. 

Keep up the good work everyone!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2015, 03:50 pm
James - I was just running optical out from an airport express base station into the B100 DAC.  This is a huge step up.  And it was so easy to set up - very impressed.  Had a 1TB drive installed by my dealer - it's so easy to transfer music to the BDP.  I'm also very impressed with James at Absolute Audio in Calgary - first rate service. 

Keep up the good work everyone!

Great - thanks for the feedback.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Gerard on 28 May 2015, 04:39 pm
Dear James,
I have just ordered the Audio device card upgrade for my BDP-2. Should I best first change to Manic Moose firmware before I install the new sound card? Until now I still use Loony Loon S1.75. I don't know of this is relevant but I just want to make sure.
Thanks, Gerard
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gdayton on 28 May 2015, 05:24 pm
Hi Gerard, Yes, you'll need to upgrade to Manic Moose in order to use the new audio device. I think you'll find it a worthwhile update.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 28 May 2015, 10:48 pm
James,
Is Bryston ready for the BDP-2 updates or are we a few weeks out?
Cheer,
BJ Hammell
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 May 2015, 11:09 pm
James,
Is Bryston ready for the BDP-2 updates or are we a few weeks out?
Cheer,
BJ Hammell

Yes we are ready - please contact Mike - mpickett@bryston.com

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 29 May 2015, 06:38 am
James,

would you consider to sell usb sticks (via the Bryston Online Store)with the Bryston logo on it??


al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 29 May 2015, 07:11 am
James,

would you consider to sell usb sticks (via the Bryston Online Store)with the Bryston logo on it??


al.

Yes I guess we could do that.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: StigO on 30 May 2015, 11:46 am
Anyone tested the new soundcard and can give some feedback?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 3 Jun 2015, 03:06 am
James

I ordered a BDP-2 this evening - is the new audio device available for new orders ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jun 2015, 10:03 am
James

I ordered a BDP-2 this evening - is the new audio device available for new orders ?

Hi

Yes any new order would have the new card - what dealer?

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: PETE6737 on 3 Jun 2015, 11:02 am
Hello All, I'm looking into a BDP2/BDA3 combo in the near future.  I have a WD 4TB HDD that has all  my music on it. I currently plug it into my Oppo BDP105. Would I be able to plug this hard drive into the BDP2 without issue? I thought I read somewhere that it could only take a smaller thumb drive...If that is the case, how would I connect all my music to the BDP,?  Thanks in advance for your replies. Pete
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jun 2015, 01:47 pm
there's no reason why the drive wouldn't work due to the size of the drive or the fact that its a hard drive.

Currently NTFS, FAT32, HFS+ (read only) and exFat are supported in S2.xx (Manic Moose) firmware.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 3 Jun 2015, 03:40 pm
Hello All, I'm looking into a BDP2/BDA3 combo in the near future.  I have a WD 4TB HDD that has all  my music on it. I currently plug it into my Oppo BDP105. Would I be able to plug this hard drive into the BDP2 without issue? I thought I read somewhere that it could only take a smaller thumb drive...If that is the case, how would I connect all my music to the BDP,?  Thanks in advance for your replies. Pete
For a while I had 3TB HDD connected via USB to my BDP1 and worked just fine
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: scirica on 3 Jun 2015, 03:47 pm
Hello All, I'm looking into a BDP2/BDA3 combo in the near future.  I have a WD 4TB HDD that has all  my music on it. I currently plug it into my Oppo BDP105. Would I be able to plug this hard drive into the BDP2 without issue? I thought I read somewhere that it could only take a smaller thumb drive...If that is the case, how would I connect all my music to the BDP,?  Thanks in advance for your replies. Pete

Not sure if we are talking the same type of HDD, but I brought a Western Digital "My Book" 4TB portable drive with me to a Bryston dealer a couple of months ago. We plugged this into the BDP2/BDA2 combo and it worked at first but then two things happened 1) It couldn't load my full file list onto the iOS app, and 2) at some point it wouldn't play at all.  Music was skipping and jumping.

This is of course only one data point and may not even be applicable to your situation.  Everything else I've heard through the BDP2-BDA2 combo was perfection!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 3 Jun 2015, 03:56 pm
The issue you describe may be because you did not allowed time for update of database, especially if it was big collection (show partial list of music and high usage of processor that creates skipping and jumping)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 3 Jun 2015, 06:58 pm
The issue you describe may be because you did not allowed time for update of database, especially if it was big collection (show partial list of music and high usage of processor that creates skipping and jumping)

Agree......I use a 2TB Western Digital and 1TB Seagate with my BDP-1. I use a Fantom 2TB ,2 TB Western Digital and internal 500gb SSD with my BDP-2. The skipping tells you it's time to update.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: scirica on 3 Jun 2015, 09:18 pm
Yes, I'm pretty sure if I would have given time for the BDP-2 to catch up and fully load, index, update...whatever it does when first connected, it would have been fine. There was probably 1.5TB's of music on the My Book.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 3 Jun 2015, 11:50 pm
Hi

Yes any new order would have the new card - what dealer?

james

Professional Sound
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: PETE6737 on 4 Jun 2015, 10:10 am
Thanks for the input. I will be checking out the bdp2 and bda3 later this fall. Pete
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrystonFan on 4 Jun 2015, 09:26 pm
Me too.
Annual Bryston sale at Audio One  :D
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bacmsl on 6 Jun 2015, 03:50 pm
Question for J.T., if the new BDA-3 can convert files that are PCM up to 32 bit / 384Khz and DSDx4.  Can the new BDP - 2 interpete the signal that is being sent at that hi of resolution. Because on the Bryston website the posted specs for the BDP - 2 are on 24 bit / 196Khz.

Thanks
Barry
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jun 2015, 04:02 pm
Question for J.T., if the new BDA-3 can convert files that are PCM up to 32 bit / 384Khz and DSDx4.  Can the new BDP - 2 interpete the signal that is being sent at that hi of resolution. Because on the Bryston website the posted specs for the BDP - 2 are on 24 bit / 196Khz.

Thanks
Barry

Hi Barry

It will depend on the Linux software development going forward. There are no files I am aware of at this point anyway.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 6 Jun 2015, 05:28 pm
I need a bit of education :)

When we all talk at 44.1/16, 96/24, 192/24 etc. is this always and only a reference to digital resolution rather than analog or does it refer to both? If it only refers to digital then how do we quantify the analog resolution? I know DAC stands for digital to analog converter but I'm just curious what the numbers truly reference, the max digital signal supported or the analog output.

For example I don't have the BDP-2 yet so I'll use my Denon Blu-ray player for this. It has 32/216 DACS and since I don't have HDMI on my SSP I use the 7.1 analog outs. What resolution is my SSP seeing?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 6 Jun 2015, 05:52 pm
I need a bit of education :)

When we all talk at 44.1/16, 96/24, 192/24 etc. is this always and only a reference to digital resolution rather than analog or does it refer to both? If it only refers to digital then how do we quantify the analog resolution? I know DAC stands for digital to analog converter but I'm just curious what the numbers truly reference, the max digital signal supported or the analog output.

For example I don't have the BDP-2 yet so I'll use my Denon Blu-ray player for this. It has 32/216 DACS and since I don't have HDMI on my SSP I use the 7.1 analog outs. What resolution is my SSP seeing?

The DACs in the Denon player are deconding what you are playing.  So if you are playing a Blu-Ray with 24/96 audio, then that is what you are getting.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 6 Jun 2015, 05:54 pm
When I had my SP1.7 I got my audio into it via an Oppo Blu-Ray player and its analog outs.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 7 Jun 2015, 04:50 am
It'd be the other way around. The BDP-2 sends the signal to the BDA-3.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 7 Jun 2015, 03:57 pm
Thanks

An unrelated question. I've read on the forums in the past there were issues plugging the BDP's into power conditioners. What was the deal with that and is that still something that one could have to avoid? I hate the thought of having to plug mine into the wall when it arrives, hopefully late this week/early next week.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Spyman on 7 Jun 2015, 05:20 pm
I've got my BPD-1 plugged into a BIT 15 and have had no problems at all. It's been that way for a couple of years now.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 7 Jun 2015, 09:40 pm
Question for J.T., if the new BDA-3 can convert files that are PCM up to 32 bit / 384Khz and DSDx4.  Can the new BDP - 2 interpete the signal that is being sent at that hi of resolution. Because on the Bryston website the posted specs for the BDP - 2 are on 24 bit / 196Khz.

Thanks
Barry

If it helps I can confirm that the current BDP 2 certainly plays DXD 352Khz and DSDx2. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jun 2015, 01:00 am
Thanks

An unrelated question. I've read on the forums in the past there were issues plugging the BDP's into power conditioners. What was the deal with that and is that still something that one could have to avoid? I hate the thought of having to plug mine into the wall when it arrives, hopefully late this week/early next week.

Depends on your line voltage and how the power conditioner effects the line voltage.  My line voltage in my home is 125v, at work it's 118v.  A BIT generally increases the voltage by about 5V, assuming nominal voltage (120 v).  The BDP(wired for 120) will accept between (going from memory) 100 to 130v.  So for me I can use a BIT at work as my 118v line would only be bumped up to 123v (+/- 0.5v), which is within the tolerance of 100-130v.  However at home where my line voltage is already 125v, a BIT would likley prevent the system from turning on, the BDP would see the line voltage as to high and flag error 05 on the display.

Keep in mind the BDP makes us of a full linear regulater paired with a linear transformer at a relative consistent current, so a BIT or similair product might be a bit overkill.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2015, 01:25 am
Hi Folks,

Products like the BIT have to be rated based on their maximum voltage and amperage capability under full load - so a 15 amp unit will have a slight voltage increase if nothing is plugged into it.  As you add more gear - example your source gear and amplifier - the slight increase in voltage is reduced.

If you have a serious over voltage issue in your area then the BIT AVR (auto voltage regulation) version would be a good option.

james


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: v12_aml on 9 Jun 2015, 03:06 am
Anyone tested the new soundcard and can give some feedback?

I've been listening to the new unit for several days. Compared to the older unit, the upgrade offers a noticeable improvement in resolution.

Is it a $500 improvement in overall sound? In categorical terms, it is a component upgrade; you would be remiss in not upgrading your current unit. It sounds characteristically like the older BDP, however there is much more retrieval of information making it a more satisfying and exciting listening experience. Backgrounds are darker, it's tonally a little richer, there is more clarity and transparency, and there is less grit in the presentation. The soundstage is a bit broader overall, but this took about a week of break-in to realize.

Why otherwise you would you pay $500 to upgrade?

It plays DSD through the AES/EBU output.  :inlove:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 9 Jun 2015, 12:49 pm


It plays DSD through the AES/EBU output.  :inlove:

That's great to hear :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Jun 2015, 02:35 pm
Hi Folks,

Products like the BIT have to be rated based on their maximum voltage and amperage capability under full load - so a 15 amp unit will have a slight voltage increase if nothing is plugged into it.  As you add more gear - example your source gear and amplifier - the slight increase in voltage is reduced.

If you have a serious over voltage issue in your area then the BIT AVR (auto voltage regulation) version would be a good option.

james

Depends on your line voltage and how the power conditioner effects the line voltage.  My line voltage in my home is 125v, at work it's 118v.  A BIT generally increases the voltage by about 5V, assuming nominal voltage (120 v).  The BDP(wired for 120) will accept between (going from memory) 100 to 130v.  So for me I can use a BIT at work as my 118v line would only be bumped up to 123v (+/- 0.5v), which is within the tolerance of 100-130v.  However at home where my line voltage is already 125v, a BIT would likley prevent the system from turning on, the BDP would see the line voltage as to high and flag error 05 on the display.

Keep in mind the BDP makes us of a full linear regulater paired with a linear transformer at a relative consistent current, so a BIT or similair product might be a bit overkill.

Thanks Chris and James, great information to have. I don't think I'll have anything to worry about then.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 9 Jun 2015, 06:31 pm
Quote
It plays DSD through the AES/EBU output.  :inlove:

Will an updated BDP-2 card pass DSD via AES/EBU to the BDA-3? If so, only single-rate DSD?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 9 Jun 2015, 09:25 pm
That's certainly suggested in the recent customer feedback James posted but it may just be a case that yes he was able to output DSD but it was doing so via DoP and not native DSD. Hopefully James or Chris will clarify.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jun 2015, 10:27 pm
Will an updated BDP-2 card pass DSD via AES/EBU to the BDA-3? If so, only single-rate DSD?

It does not.  We felt if someone wanted to do DSD they would use a USB dac capable of doing DSD at higher rates then DSD64
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 9 Jun 2015, 11:28 pm
There aren't many DACs that can do DSD by other than USB or i2S.  I've seen a few claims but am a bit skeptical.  Would be nice though.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Jun 2015, 01:45 pm
Hi James,

My dealer should have put an order in last Tuesday, the 2nd for my BDP-2, do you think there is any chance at all they would have it by this Monday, the 15th?

Thanks,

Rod
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jun 2015, 01:57 pm
Hi Rod

Which dealer?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Jun 2015, 02:55 pm
Glubes
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jun 2015, 03:24 pm
Glubes

Will check

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Jun 2015, 04:50 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 10 Jun 2015, 06:08 pm
There aren't many DACs that can do DSD by other than USB or i2S.  I've seen a few claims but am a bit skeptical.  Would be nice though.

The Chord Hugo accepts DSD (DoP) via SPDIF.  I know because my current BDP2 does pass a DSD stream from its BNC output, but only when used as a renderer ( which is odd).

Incidentally how do you order the upgraded card?  I enquired via the email address quoted  by JT above but have had no reply so far ( which is unusual for Bryston)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 10 Jun 2015, 06:30 pm
The Chord Hugo accepts DSD (DoP) via SPDIF.  I know because my current BDP2 does pass a DSD stream from its BNC output, but only when used as a renderer ( which is odd).




Thanks - I see that here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVhKcl_3lHfdFVyenBBNjNpQ2lieG81WGpqQTNfVUE#gid=0
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jun 2015, 06:34 pm
The Chord Hugo accepts DSD (DoP) via SPDIF.  I know because my current BDP2 does pass a DSD stream from its BNC output, but only when used as a renderer ( which is odd).

Incidentally how do you order the upgraded card?  I enquired via the email address quoted  by JT above but have had no reply so far ( which is unusual for Bryston)

Hi Norton

You can order through Mike Pickett at Bryston - mpickett@bryston.com

Copy me as well and I will look into it.  jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 10 Jun 2015, 09:50 pm
When the BDP-2 outputs DSD over AES/EBU (i.e. DoP) what is the PCM resolution output and does it vary based on the DSD file?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 11 Jun 2015, 12:19 am
This is how DoP works - http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue60/dsd_usb.htm

If something is doing DoP, one us getting DSD.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2015, 12:27 am
The Chord Hugo accepts DSD (DoP) via SPDIF.  I know because my current BDP2 does pass a DSD stream from its BNC output, but only when used as a renderer ( which is odd).

Just to be clear, your certain the DSD file isn't being transcoded on the fly to Highres pcm?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 12:12 pm
This is how DoP works - http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue60/dsd_usb.htm

If something is doing DoP, one us getting DSD.

So if I'm reading the info at that link correctly, AES/EBU, S/PDIF (RCA, BNC, toslink) would only truly support DSD64 because once you go up one to DSD128 those cables can't support 352.8kHz thus it becomes a compromise? Or is the fact it uses 2 channels for DSD 128 means it somehow delivers 352.8kHz?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 11 Jun 2015, 12:25 pm
So if I'm reading the info at that link correctly, AES/EBU, S/PDIF (RCA, BNC, toslink) would only truly support DSD64 because once you go up one to DSD128 those cables can't support 352.8kHz thus it becomes a compromise? Or is the fact it uses 2 channels for DSD 128 means it somehow delivers 352.8kHz?

I'd guess that is the case if more than 192khz cannot be passed.  Not sure it is the cable itself per this - http://www.jensign.com/SPDIFLink/  but may be related to the transmission scheme.  I've never tried it as my music servers just have USB.  I've passed 192kHz via and HDMI Audio De-embedder from an Oppo player (still have one hooked up on a secondary system if someone wants to hear a disc that way). 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 12:39 pm
I guess I can't get concerned seeing as of all the music I'm potentially looking at purchasing, only a couple albums are offered in DSD and they are DSD64 but they are also offered in PCM so I would probably just get the PCM versions. My bigger concern is going to be what happens when I try and feed a 192/24 file into my SSP via the AES/EBU because the SSP only runs at 96/24 internally (digitally). It has 192/24 DACS though. I'm hoping the files are just rendered to 96/24 but I'm a bit fearful that I'll get either absolutely no sound or complete noise.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 11 Jun 2015, 01:11 pm
I understand what your concern is.  I rotate stuff between systems and even though I don't use real speakers on the computer much (just the internal ones in the monitor) when I hooked up my 13-14 year old Sony ES rec'r to my M-Audio 192 Sound Card I got no sound and then realized the DACs in the rec'r are probably only 48kHz so it is now hooked up via analog.  You can always try one file or look into this - http://samplerateconverter.com/   There is a free version.  I was going to consider using it in a secondary system with the Squeezebox Touch but decided to sell it instead and get a music server.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 01:46 pm
Thanks for the suggestion, trying one 192/24 file would indeed tell me if they are going to work. Keeps me from buying the entire album only to find out I can't listen to it plus be out $20-$30.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 04:02 pm
A bit off topic but related in a way to all digital music players, particularly those that play high res files.

I was just browsing HDTracks so see what all albums I'll download in high res, excited to be able to hear many familiar bands in high res for the 1st time but to my surprise many are stamped with:

"This product is not currently available due to region restrictions."

WTF

For an industry that has been whining and crying for years saying they are losing money hand over fist due to people "stealing" music via the Internet here I am, a willing, paying customer, basically saying please, take my money, I'll gladly pay for high res music and will knowingly pay a premium for it and I get basically we don't want your money, it's not good enough for us response. What an F'ed up industry. Don't you think they should be going out of their way to see that EVERYONE has access to this music so they can sell as much as possible?

This just blows my mind, I'm very disappointed.

I see that Acoustic Sounds has the same type of restrictions on the same albums. There is even a "Canada" section there. How sad. We can't even get Rush albums and Rush is a Canadian band. Apparently with a US record contract.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2015, 05:32 pm
A bit off topic but related in a way to all digital music players, particularly those that play high res files.

I was just browsing HDTracks so see what all albums I'll download in high res, excited to be able to hear many familiar bands in high res for the 1st time but to my surprise many are stamped with:

"This product is not currently available due to region restrictions."

WTF

For an industry that has been whining and crying for years saying they are losing money hand over fist due to people "stealing" music via the Internet here I am, a willing, paying customer, basically saying please, take my money, I'll gladly pay for high res music and will knowingly pay a premium for it and I get basically we don't want your money, it's not good enough for us response. What an F'ed up industry. Don't you think they should be going out of their way to see that EVERYONE has access to this music so they can sell as much as possible?

This just blows my mind, I'm very disappointed.

I see that Acoustic Sounds has the same type of restrictions on the same albums. There is even a "Canada" section there. How sad. We can't even get Rush albums and Rush is a Canadian band. Apparently with a US record contract.

You can't really hold HDTracks responsible though, its the record labels that won't let them sell to those residing outside of the US
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 11 Jun 2015, 06:08 pm
Just to be clear, your certain the DSD file isn't being transcoded on the fly to Highres pcm?

Absolutely.  Using Jriver as the DLNA server and BDP2 as the renderer and playing a .dff file, the Hugo's input indicator  lights correctly to show DSD, not PCM input.  The Hugo spec shows it accepts DoP over Spdif. The reason in I know this is that with earlier versions of MM there was no way to direct BDP output  via USB in renderer mode, but when selecting the Hugo's SPDif input,  voila as above.  With latest version of MM renderer now defaults to USB if detected at startup, but if I fool it by having the Hugo turned off initially when launching the BDP, I can still get DOP over Spdif.  I have never got DoP over SPDif when using the BDP as a standalone player though.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 11 Jun 2015, 06:16 pm
Thanks for the suggestion, trying one 192/24 file would indeed tell me if they are going to work. Keeps me from buying the entire album only to find out I can't listen to it plus be out $20-$30.

There are even places for free downloads such as - http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 11 Jun 2015, 06:19 pm
A bit off topic but related in a way to all digital music players, particularly those that play high res files.

I was just browsing HDTracks so see what all albums I'll download in high res, excited to be able to hear many familiar bands in high res for the 1st time but to my surprise many are stamped with:

"This product is not currently available due to region restrictions."

WTF

For an industry that has been whining and crying for years saying they are losing money hand over fist due to people "stealing" music via the Internet here I am, a willing, paying customer, basically saying please, take my money, I'll gladly pay for high res music and will knowingly pay a premium for it and I get basically we don't want your money, it's not good enough for us response. What an F'ed up industry. Don't you think they should be going out of their way to see that EVERYONE has access to this music so they can sell as much as possible?

This just blows my mind, I'm very disappointed.

I see that Acoustic Sounds has the same type of restrictions on the same albums. There is even a "Canada" section there. How sad. We can't even get Rush albums and Rush is a Canadian band. Apparently with a US record contract.

Yes the record companies that are responsible.  To me it is silly.  I could pay someone to buy it where it can be purchased and make a copy and what is that accomplishing that helps them?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2015, 07:02 pm
Hi James,

My dealer should have put an order in last Tuesday, the 2nd for my BDP-2, do you think there is any chance at all they would have it by this Monday, the 15th?

Thanks,

Rod

Hi Rod

Your BDP is leaving next week.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 07:02 pm
You can't really hold HDTracks responsible though, its the record labels that won't let them sell to those residing outside of the US

Indeed, I didn't mean to imply it was HDTracks', or Acoustic Sounds' fault, I know it's the labels.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 07:04 pm
There are even places for free downloads such as - http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx

Cool, thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 07:06 pm
Yes the record companies that are responsible.  To me it is silly.  I could pay someone to buy it where it can be purchased and make a copy and what is that accomplishing that helps them?

Yeah to me it's foolishness like this on the record companies part that leads to more people going out of their way to get it free via torrents, etc. It encourages the very thing they are trying to curb.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Jun 2015, 07:07 pm
Hi Rod

Your BDP is leaving next week.

james

Thanks James  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 12 Jun 2015, 12:22 pm
I have sent several emails to Bryston over the past two weeks inquiring on purchasing the Bryston audio card for my beloved BDP-2. I have not had a single reply  :cry:, which is a bit odd as customer service has always been a forte of Bryston. Anyone else with a similar experience? Would love to get the new Bryston card into my BDP-2.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2015, 12:35 pm
I have sent several emails to Bryston over the past two weeks inquiring on purchasing the Bryston audio card for my beloved BDP-2. I have not had a single reply  :cry:, which is a bit odd as customer service has always been a forte of Bryston. Anyone else with a similar experience? Would love to get the new Bryston card into my BDP-2.

Hi Ned

Not sure what is up there - email me and I will pass it along to Mike.

jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 12 Jun 2015, 06:27 pm
I have sent several emails to Bryston over the past two weeks inquiring on purchasing the Bryston audio card for my beloved BDP-2. I have not had a single reply  :cry:, which is a bit odd as customer service has always been a forte of Bryston. Anyone else with a similar experience? Would love to get the new Bryston card into my BDP-2.

Yes, exactly the same experience here.  Bryston service is normally so good I would half expect them to email me to say the audio card you didn't yet know you need is in the post...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jun 2015, 07:52 pm
Yes, exactly the same experience here.  Bryston service is normally so good I would half expect them to email me to say the audio card you didn't yet know you need is in the post...

Hi Norton

Did someone get back to you - if not please email me.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 12 Jun 2015, 10:21 pm
Hi Norton

Did someone get back to you - if not please email me.

james

Yes thanks James.  Looking at the instructions now and pondering whether I'm up to fitting it myself.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jun 2015, 09:50 pm
Dear James,

After almost 24 hrs of power and more than half singing, I'm confident to report that, used with USB output, the new BDP2 performs in my system in another league than BDP1, in terms of dynamic contrasts, texture and detail. Congratulations!

Thank you,

Vlad
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 14 Jun 2015, 09:16 pm
I am having an odd problem. I just noticed that there are a large number of folders that will not load into the database. I did a factory reset and those folders still failed to show up. They do not show up in Manic Moose or MPaD. I can find those files as present when I scan the hard drive connected to the BDP-2 via a computer. Any ideas anyone?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 14 Jun 2015, 11:11 pm
I seen this recently posted, but did not see an answer. With new update, I can no longer delete songs in the playlists.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mag on 15 Jun 2015, 12:21 am
I am having an odd problem. I just noticed that there are a large number of folders that will not load into the database. I did a factory reset and those folders still failed to show up. They do not show up in Manic Moose or MPaD. I can find those files as present when I scan the hard drive connected to the BDP-2 via a computer. Any ideas anyone?

I had a similar situation with jump drives. It would start with one file and migrate to the whole thing and become unreadable. IMO it's a virus of some sort. If you can access the drive and file it will look like some kind of strange code. This is one or the risks of downloads, viruses can be hidden in the codex.

On my old computer a virus migrated all over the computer and would cloak themselves in other files. If you deleted the file it would just re-write somewhere. It eventually caused the cd drive to stop working. Even after I formatted one the drives the virus was still present, somehow migrating from the other drive. Nasty stuff

So if you see a strange code I would throw the drive away.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 15 Jun 2015, 11:59 am
It turns out that the files not been scanned by the BDP-2 are DSD files converted to 176.4/24 using J River. They scan properly in Media Monkey and play on my computer. All files are flac.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jun 2015, 01:04 pm
It turns out that the files not been scanned by the BDP-2 are DSD files converted to 176.4/24 using J River. They scan properly in Media Monkey and play on my computer. All files are flac.

Hi Ned

OK thanks - will ask Chris about it.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wave~Trader on 17 Jun 2015, 12:58 pm
Hello,

I've just ordered a new Bryston BDP-2 :icon_lol: and have started reading the online owner's manual to get familiar with the unit before it arrives.

The info re the "RS232 ports" mentions "hard wired control systems like AMX, Creston, etc."; does anyone use this type of system, and if so, can you provide some insight/experience about using such a system?

Regards,

Wave~Trader
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 17 Jun 2015, 05:58 pm
I don't use RS232. I've been using I/R (via RF) for quite a while.

As a remote control programming enthusiast, I think one of the best innovations to hit home theater and stereo is the ability to control devices via local WiFi. In my experience, the response time is faster than I/R (not sure about RS232) and the chances of commands in a macro being dropped (via RF transmission) are only limited by your WiFi coverage.

All that being said, the only I/R commands I use for my BDP-2 are to power it on or off. All control of the unit is best done via the built in web page interface.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wave~Trader on 17 Jun 2015, 09:24 pm
Thanks Garrett.

Will the "built in web page interface" work on Windows phones/tablets?

Regards,

Wave~Trader
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 17 Jun 2015, 09:30 pm
Hi Ned

OK thanks - will ask Chris about it.

james

Mystery solved. Turns out that Windows 7 encrypted contents to secure data. Once I undid that, all is fine. The original DSD files were downloaded on my MacBook Pro. Apparently Windows 7 will encrypt files brought over form the Mac. All files are now scanning properly.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jun 2015, 09:36 pm
Mystery solved. Turns out that Windows 7 encrypted contents to secure data. Once I undid that, all is fine. The original DSD files were downloaded on my MacBook Pro. Apparently Windows 7 will encrypt files brought over form the Mac. All files are now scanning properly.

Hi Ned

Great sleuthing !

It just shows you though that with normal computers you never know what is going on behind the scene  :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 18 Jun 2015, 08:30 am
Thanks Garrett.

Will the "built in web page interface" work on Windows phones/tablets?

Regards,

Wave~Trader

It should... I prefer to use Chrome as my web browser, but Firefox works well. I believe both can be downloaded and installed on Windows phones and the Surface. If not, Windows 10 (due out in July) should rectify that.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 19 Jun 2015, 09:56 pm
james

what is timing for delivery of BDP-2 with new audio card from date of order ?  :)


sfox
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2015, 10:12 pm
james

what is timing for delivery of BDP-2 with new audio card from date of order ?  :)


sfox

Hi

I thought you had one on order and cancelled it?

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Jun 2015, 10:33 pm
Got word this afternoon that my BDP-2 arrived. Since I don't have a car I won't be able to get my hands on it until Monday when the dealer will drop it off. I picked up my Siltech AES/EBU cable yesterday. Can't wait until Monday.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2015, 11:30 pm
Got word this afternoon that my BDP-2 arrived. Since I don't have a car I won't be able to get my hands on it until Monday when the dealer will drop it off. I picked up my Siltech AES/EBU cable yesterday. Can't wait until Monday.

Great news Rod - looking forward to your feedback.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: SFOX on 20 Jun 2015, 02:12 am
Is a rack mount dress panel available for BDP-2 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 10:07 am
Is a rack mount dress panel available for BDP-2 ?

Hi

Just a 19 without rack holes - or you can buy a 17 and add rack ears if you want to physically rack it.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2015, 01:08 pm
Mystery solved. Turns out that Windows 7 encrypted contents to secure data. Once I undid that, all is fine. The original DSD files were downloaded on my MacBook Pro. Apparently Windows 7 will encrypt files brought over form the Mac. All files are now scanning properly.

Hi Ned

How did you make out with the card change over - chris tells me he connected remotely.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 21 Jun 2015, 08:41 pm
Hi Ned

How did you make out with the card change over - chris tells me he connected remotely.

James

The new audio card installation process is rather simple and the instructions are excellent. When doing this, pay very careful attention to the connectors. The whole process was done in 30 minutes as I took my time and double checked all connections. The wires that run under the prior card I found needed to be moved to a position above the new card for the new card to seat perfectly. If you have no issues with changing out or adding an additional hard drive to a computer, I feel you will find the process rather straight forward (as long as you have the right tools on hand and are not under the influence of 6 double espressos).

Now, onto the performance of the new card. This is an essential upgrade to the BDP-2, especially for systems having high resolution. The new card simply seems to stay out of the way of the music. I was jotting down a few notes while listening and the first noticeable improvement is how much quite the back ground is, the noise floor has really been lowered (which I did not think possible after listening the first card). The sound stage is huge, both in width and depth. There is greater delineation of fine musical details. Notes seem suspended on a cushion of air with the space between notes better delineated. Micro and macro dynamics are improved and impressive (likely due to the lowered noise floor). Very subtile fine details in music are clearly delineated with this card (no need to lean into the music, just sit back and lots of detail will unfold naturally). Pitch definition is improved, especially in the lower frequencies. There is improved extension, delineation, and definition of low frequencies. All in all this new audio card is a spectacular achievement and elevates the already fine performance of the BDP-2 to a new level. Highly recommended upgrade!

(System notes: DynAudio Evidence Temptation speakers, REL Studio III sub bass system, Classe SSP-800 controller, Classe CA-M600 monoblock amplifiers, Bryston BDP-2 with a 4 TB Western Digital Green hard drive (these drives are wicked quiet) and MPoD controller software, Nordost Valhalla digital & analog interconnects and speaker wire, EquiTech balanced wall power unit for all audio associated 20 amp outlets)

To make this mini-review honest, I must report as a side note that I made a post on the Manic Moose thread regarding a problem that seems to have occurred with the firmware upgrade needed for the new audio card. My BDP-2 will erratically suddenly stop playing while rendering the BDP-2 totally unresponsive to any input (front panel or otherwise). Multiple reboots are now required to get the BDP-2 up and running, but the sudden erratic bricking of the unit minutes to hours into listening persists. :roll: But when the unit is operational, the new sound card renders music gloriously.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrystonFan on 21 Jun 2015, 11:34 pm
Excellent comments on the new audio card Ned.
You should be writing/reviewing for the industry rags!
 :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jun 2015, 10:03 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123204)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jun 2015, 12:15 am
Anyone using a Harmony remote to turn on/off the BDP? For some reason mine isn't doing it. I can see the power LED briefly flash but it has no effect on toggling the standby. The play, pause, etc. work just fine. I'm just curious if the Harmony database IR power command is not correct. I suppose if there is an issue with the database entry the only way to get it to work would be to have a Bryston remote on hand to simply have the Harmony learn the IR command.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 23 Jun 2015, 02:16 am
Anyone using a Harmony remote to turn on/off the BDP? For some reason mine isn't doing it. I can see the power LED briefly flash but it has no effect on toggling the standby. The play, pause, etc. work just fine. I'm just curious if the Harmony database IR power command is not correct. I suppose if there is an issue with the database entry the only way to get it to work would be to have a Bryston remote on hand to simply have the Harmony learn the IR command.

I have the same issue.  The LED flashes, but the BPD-2 does not power on/off.  I had to load the BDA-2 as a device and use it to toggle the power of the BDP-2.  Either the BDA-2 is also wrong, or it uses the same IR code as the BDP-2. 

Overall, it is a nuisance, but I do not know how to get Harmony to update their database to correct the issue.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: brystoned on 23 Jun 2015, 02:47 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=123204)

james

is there a blue LED on the new audio card ?


brystoned
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jun 2015, 09:42 am
I have the same issue.  The LED flashes, but the BPD-2 does not power on/off.  I had to load the BDA-2 as a device and use it to toggle the power of the BDP-2.  Either the BDA-2 is also wrong, or it uses the same IR code as the BDP-2. 

Overall, it is a nuisance, but I do not know how to get Harmony to update their database to correct the issue.

Thanks, so you at least found a workaround. I'll give that a try this evening.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jun 2015, 10:21 am
I had a few minutes so I added the BDA-2 as a device and the power toggle works. I'll integrate it into my BDP-2 activity this evening.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jun 2015, 02:43 pm
Is the blue LCD display a special kind of blue? I immediately noticed it's a different shade than my Lexicon and Furman. Both of those appear to be identical in a dark blue but the BDP is noticeably lighter. The actual blue LED of the power light when it's on is the same color as the LED's on the other gear. I don't think I've ever encountered this shade in a LCD display in a piece of electronics before.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 23 Jun 2015, 03:34 pm
I suspect the "aqua" shade of the blue LED display is imparted by a green tint of the overlying glass, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jun 2015, 04:45 pm
The glass seems to be blue when the unit is off but I suppose it might have a hint of another color in it, possibly green. Aqua is a very good description of the color.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jun 2015, 04:48 pm
Yes it is a Blue/Green colour.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: brystoned on 23 Jun 2015, 09:54 pm
james

is there a blue LED on the new audio card ?


brystoned

I was not referring to the display on the front panel - there appears to be a blue LED mounted near the center of the new audio card in the picture above

ed
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jun 2015, 12:34 am
It's not like we live in a world with only 16 colours, but yes due to the natural colour of the light emitted from the display through the blue colour filter, you get more of an aqua colour.  You can adjust the brightness of the display, more info can be found with the manual included wth your unit.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 24 Jun 2015, 05:18 am
I think it is the nicest display I have ever seen on any piece of equpment. The way the display is embedded into the aluminium dress panel... Just beautiful.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 24 Jun 2015, 05:41 am
I was just excited that Bryston introduced blue! Green LEDs wasn't going to keep me from wanting Bryston equipment... but oh, those blue LEDs and displays!  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 24 Jun 2015, 11:05 am
Yeah green sucks, well doesn't suck :) but it's been around for so long blue was like a breath of fresh air :D

As for the display in general I wouldn't go so far as to classify it as the best display ever, these old school 2 line LCD displays look odd in a world where equipment now comes with true LCD and OLED displays built in, some with touch navigation thus you are not limited on what you can display as there is plenty of room. Not that I would spend much time looking at the displays but that would be my preference hands down as you could see the album art, etc. right on the player itself. The Dan D'Agostino MLife for example is very nice.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 24 Jun 2015, 11:49 am
Yes but historically, Bryston's amps used green indicators so there's satisfaction in that too.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 24 Jun 2015, 05:20 pm
I guess I can't get concerned seeing as of all the music I'm potentially looking at purchasing, only a couple albums are offered in DSD and they are DSD64 but they are also offered in PCM so I would probably just get the PCM versions. My bigger concern is going to be what happens when I try and feed a 192/24 file into my SSP via the AES/EBU because the SSP only runs at 96/24 internally (digitally). It has 192/24 DACS though. I'm hoping the files are just rendered to 96/24 but I'm a bit fearful that I'll get either absolutely no sound or complete noise.

I understand what your concern is.  I rotate stuff between systems and even though I don't use real speakers on the computer much (just the internal ones in the monitor) when I hooked up my 13-14 year old Sony ES rec'r to my M-Audio 192 Sound Card I got no sound and then realized the DACs in the rec'r are probably only 48kHz so it is now hooked up via analog.  You can always try one file or look into this - http://samplerateconverter.com/   There is a free version.  I was going to consider using it in a secondary system with the Squeezebox Touch but decided to sell it instead and get a music server.

Thanks for the suggestion, trying one 192/24 file would indeed tell me if they are going to work. Keeps me from buying the entire album only to find out I can't listen to it plus be out $20-$30.

There are even places for free downloads such as - http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx

Cool, thanks

Last night I downloaded the 192/24 sample file from Linn records and ran it through the system. The Lexicon didn't recognize it thus didn't output any sound.

So thanks Phil, this test was very helpful and saves me money by not buying any 192/24 songs so long as I have the Lex or until I get an external DAC  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Jun 2015, 01:25 am
it's MUCH easier for your eyes to focus on green (or red) than blue LEDs in low-light conditions (like your listening room). I can't recall the biology off the top of my head, but this is well understood.

Green is an excellent choice for the BDP display panel, for that reason alone.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Jun 2015, 11:52 am
Yeah blue is definitely hard to make out at a distance, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 27 Jun 2015, 09:57 am
Red light is considered best for night/dark viewing. It interferes the least with night vision and is used frequently by military and law enforcement for that reason. And, at the other end of the spectrum, blue is indeed worse for that.

I still prefer the appearance of the blue lights/displays though. :)

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Jun 2015, 10:36 pm
I loaded a 5.1 test file and it was properly recognized as 6 channels via the Bryston app. Can multichannel files be sent out of the BDP-2 somehow or is it limited to stereo output only?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Jun 2015, 02:47 pm
I've never tested it, but a USB dac supporting 6 channels should do it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Jun 2015, 03:55 pm
Ah ok, so in theory it's possible.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 28 Jun 2015, 10:11 pm
I've never tested it, but a USB dac supporting 6 channels should do it.


It would be very interesting if someone could confirm this in practice!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 30 Jun 2015, 12:41 am
  BDP-2  S2.16 2015-06-19  Transparent Audio PowerIsolater 4 Power Conditioner
Anybody:
 Was away this morning and when I returned to listen to some tunes the BDP was unresponsive.  The power light was blue, but the display was off ( I always turn it off ).  Decided to power down and power back up.  When I pressed the button to power down the light turned red immediately without the normal "Shutdown" process.  Pressing the button again did nothing.  Had to unplug to get the BDP to reboot. 
 I believe this was due to a very short power outage which we get here on occasion.  As I remember this happened last time a power outage happened, but it was so long ago I'm not sure if the recovery process was the same.
 Has anyone experienced this same phenomenon?  If so is there something shown on the display indicating a break in the power?  Is there another way to recover short of unplugging? :scratch:

   Thanks, Rich   
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 30 Jun 2015, 05:24 am
Same experience, after a short power outage (off / on in less then a second) BDP becomes unresponsive. Solution is to unplug power cord and plug it again. Not sure if this is a fault...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jun 2015, 09:48 am
Same experience, after a short power outage (off / on in less then a second) BDP becomes unresponsive. Solution is to unplug power cord and plug it again. Not sure if this is a fault...

Hi Folks

I have experienced the same - not sure why but it needs to have the power cord unplugged and replugged - maybe Chris knows why?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: afblaster on 30 Jun 2015, 10:12 am
Can you say when the new integrated audio device will be available in the UK?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Jun 2015, 10:37 am
Can you say when the new integrated audio device will be available in the UK?

Hi

It is available now.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 3 Jul 2015, 02:09 pm

It would be very interesting if someone could confirm this in practice!

I tested the BDP-2 with an SP3 using the USB and AES/EBU outputs.  The test files were 5.1 channel 96/24.

With both connections, the BDP-2 correctly showed the files as "Sample: 96000:24:6."  However, the SP3 only played the front R and L channels (i.e., the surround 3.1 channels were lost, not mixed into stereo).  Using the Bal1 input (AES/EBU) the SP3 shows "In: PCM 96k 2/0.0."  The USB input shows "In: PCM."

I do not have a BNC/RAC cable.  Therefore, I was not able to test the SPDIF (RCA) connection to see if it would receive a 5.1 or 2.0 signal from the BDP-2. 

I have about a dozen 5.1 tracks from a DVDA disk.  I ripped the disk to 96/24/5.1 flac.  I have two solutions to listen to the tracks. 
Candidly, the audio quality between the two solutions is pretty much identical (i.e., if I had to do a blind test, I doubt I could tell you which was which).  That makes sense, because the down mix should be bit perfect and identical, assuming that one setups up the initial rip and down mix correctly on their computer.

My preference is #2, because I have all my music in one place, on the BDP-2, versus switching to the OPPO to listen to a couple songs.

I hope you found this post of use and interest.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 3 Jul 2015, 09:16 pm
Could this result have something to do with the limitations of the SP3? Chris suggested using a 6 channel DAC.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jul 2015, 10:21 pm
Hi Folks

I have experienced the same - not sure why but it needs to have the power cord unplugged and replugged - maybe Chris knows why?

james

If a error code trips and the linear supply is turned off and nothing done about it immediately (within a few minutes) then the micro controlling everything becomes unresponsive and this you need to pull the power cord.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Jul 2015, 10:25 pm
I tested the BDP-2 with an SP3 using the USB and AES/EBU outputs.  The test files were 5.1 channel 96/24.

With both connections, the BDP-2 correctly showed the files as "Sample: 96000:24:6."  However, the SP3 only played the front R and L channels (i.e., the surround 3.1 channels were lost, not mixed into stereo).  Using the Bal1 input (AES/EBU) the SP3 shows "In: PCM 96k 2/0.0."  The USB input shows "In: PCM."

I do not have a BNC/RAC cable.  Therefore, I was not able to test the SPDIF (RCA) connection to see if it would receive a 5.1 or 2.0 signal from the BDP-2. 

I have about a dozen 5.1 tracks from a DVDA disk.  I ripped the disk to 96/24/5.1 flac.  I have two solutions to listen to the tracks. 
  • I play them through an OPPO BDP-93 using HDMI into the SP3.  The SP3 DAC then down mixes to stereo, because I only have a two channel setup.
  • I used foobar2000 to down mix from 5.1 to 2.0 and save as flac.  I can then play the 96/24/2.0 files through the BDP-2.
Candidly, the audio quality between the two solutions is pretty much identical (i.e., if I had to do a blind test, I doubt I could tell you which was which).  That makes sense, because the down mix should be bit perfect and identical, assuming that one setups up the initial rip and down mix correctly on their computer.

My preference is #2, because I have all my music in one place, on the BDP-2, versus switching to the OPPO to listen to a couple songs.

I hope you found this post of use and interest.

Anything coming out of the BDP's AES/EBU and BNC will identical, they are the same signal and will be limited to stereo.  The SP-3's USB is also limited to stereo and won't support surround.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 3 Jul 2015, 10:49 pm
I tested the BDP-2 with an SP3 using the USB and AES/EBU outputs.  The test files were 5.1 channel 96/24.

With both connections, the BDP-2 correctly showed the files as "Sample: 96000:24:6."  However, the SP3 only played the front R and L channels (i.e., the surround 3.1 channels were lost, not mixed into stereo).  Using the Bal1 input (AES/EBU) the SP3 shows "In: PCM 96k 2/0.0."  The USB input shows "In: PCM."

I do not have a BNC/RAC cable.  Therefore, I was not able to test the SPDIF (RCA) connection to see if it would receive a 5.1 or 2.0 signal from the BDP-2. 

I have about a dozen 5.1 tracks from a DVDA disk.  I ripped the disk to 96/24/5.1 flac.  I have two solutions to listen to the tracks. 
  • I play them through an OPPO BDP-93 using HDMI into the SP3.  The SP3 DAC then down mixes to stereo, because I only have a two channel setup.
  • I used foobar2000 to down mix from 5.1 to 2.0 and save as flac.  I can then play the 96/24/2.0 files through the BDP-2.
Candidly, the audio quality between the two solutions is pretty much identical (i.e., if I had to do a blind test, I doubt I could tell you which was which).  That makes sense, because the down mix should be bit perfect and identical, assuming that one setups up the initial rip and down mix correctly on their computer.

My preference is #2, because I have all my music in one place, on the BDP-2, versus switching to the OPPO to listen to a couple songs.

I hope you found this post of use and interest.

Thanks for your time and posting your results.

Perhaps it's something Stan can address in a firmware update with the SP3? If the SP3 can decode it correctly via HDMI, then it would seem it's capable.

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 8 Jul 2015, 03:21 am
...and what serial number would have the first new card implemented??

al.


...James, have you been able to find it out?

thanks,

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jul 2015, 03:23 am

...James, have you been able to find it out?

thanks,

al.

No sorry not yet - it would be anything with a date code as of last month

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player's Latest Firmware
Post by: Wave~Trader on 10 Jul 2015, 01:50 pm
Hello,

Can someone tell me what the latest version of the BDP-2's firmware is?  On the Bryston site, the "Firmware" document refers to "the latest release of the S1 branch which is S1.75".  I've heard there is a later version, but can't find anything on the Bryston site or after a search of this topic re the latest version.

Thanks,

Wave~Trader
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player's Latest Firmware
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2015, 01:53 pm
Hello,

Can someone tell me what the latest version of the BDP-2's firmware is?  On the Bryston site, the "Firmware" document refers to "the latest release of the S1 branch which is S1.75".  I've heard there is a later version, but can't find anything on the Bryston site or after a search of this topic re the latest version.

Thanks,

Wave~Trader

Whatever is on the site when you go to MM software update is the current version in production.

Beta versions are available by going to the browser and typing in a secret code.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player's Latest Firmware
Post by: srb on 10 Jul 2015, 01:59 pm
Can someone tell me what the latest version of the BDP-2's firmware is?  On the Bryston site, the "Firmware" document refers to "the latest release of the S1 branch which is S1.75".  I've heard there is a later version, but can't find anything on the Bryston site or after a search of this topic re the latest version.

Not sure what firmware link you're referring to (or perhaps your browser needs refreshed?), but on the BDP-2 page, the Firmware link at the bottom of the page takes me to the document BDP-1 & BDP-2 Firmware Update Version S2.0: Manic Moose (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/firmware/BDP_Manic_Moose.pdf)

In that document it says "In order to successfully update to Manic Moose, it is recommended that you update your existing firmware to the latest release of the S1 branch which is S1.75"

In other words, you need to make sure you are at version S1.75 before you update to version S2.0

Steve
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player's Latest Firmware
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jul 2015, 01:52 pm


In that document it says "In order to successfully update to Manic Moose, it is recommended that you update your existing firmware to the latest release of the S1 branch which is S1.75"

In other words, you need to make sure you are at version S1.75 before you update to version S2.0

Steve

Ignore that bit
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jul 2015, 07:04 pm
HI Folks,

Chris did another video that shows off most of the features of the BDP Digital Player
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html
 
direct video link
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov
 
Cheers,
Chris

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Don_S on 14 Jul 2015, 07:32 pm
HI Folks,

Chris did another video that shows off most of the features of the BDP Digital Player
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html
 
direct video link
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov
 
Cheers,
Chris


I only get audio.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player's Latest Firmware
Post by: Grit on 15 Jul 2015, 04:39 am
Hello,

Can someone tell me what the latest version of the BDP-2's firmware is?  On the Bryston site, the "Firmware" document refers to "the latest release of the S1 branch which is S1.75".  I've heard there is a later version, but can't find anything on the Bryston site or after a search of this topic re the latest version.

Thanks,

Wave~Trader

Hey Wave - Trader!

The Bryston website didn't reflect the current version the last time I looked. Instead, use the BDP web interface to check for an updated version.  THAT should point you at the most current version. Let us know if that works for you.

- Garrett


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 15 Jul 2015, 08:13 am
Very nice to have Chris explain things!

Chris, please check https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html at 28' for an issue we've been posting about earlier: the missing album art for the first track.

Also, i was waiting for you to explain the 'jump to current track' feature, but arriving there, you say 'we'll get back to this later...' and i cant seem to find it. Did i miss it and if so where please?

Thanks,
Marius

HI Folks,

Chris did another video that shows off most of the features of the BDP Digital Player
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html
 
direct video link
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.mov
 
Cheers,
Chris

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jul 2015, 04:00 pm
Very nice to have Chris explain things!

Chris, please check https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86196657/Videos/BOSS/BOSS%20Intro.html at 28' for an issue we've been posting about earlier: the missing album art for the first track.

Also, i was waiting for you to explain the 'jump to current track' feature, but arriving there, you say 'we'll get back to this later...' and i cant seem to find it. Did i miss it and if so where please?

Thanks,
Marius

Didn't quite cover everything I wanted to, but thought it was a fairly good start
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 15 Jul 2015, 04:30 pm
 :thumb:

Didn't quite cover everything I wanted to, but thought it was a fairly good start
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 15 Jul 2015, 05:05 pm
BDP-2  S2.16 2015-06-19 
Drives:  Internal=Samsung EVO 840 1TB SSD      External=Crucial 500GB SSD in an un-powered enclosure.

Chris:
 Was testing out a demo AES cable and decided to put the old one back in the system.  Powered down the BDP, powered down the DAC then changed cables.  When the BDP was powered back up it took longer than normal, ( probably the 2 minutes described in the manual ), after which the error 009 displayed.  I could not see whether the DAC locked or not as it was off.  Unplugged and re-plugged the BDP and it booted normally. 8)
 Other things that probably have no bearing, but I'll mention anyway.  MPAD was running with a playlist up, but stopped, when the first boot was attempted.  Also we have had a couple short, 1 second or so, power outages in the last couple weeks requiring an unplug - re-plug of the BDP.
 I looked at the System Log, but could only see the MPD log; The drop-down did not display any other options.

  Should I be concerned at the display of 009 at this point? :?

    Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Jul 2015, 03:49 pm
Hi!

Here's an interesting thing. At the moment I have both the BDP-1 and BDP-2 connected to the system.

Powering down sequence is different for the two players:

- pressing the power button on the BDP-1 turns the player off almost immediately,
- doing the same on the BDP-2 displays "Shutting down" for 20 seconds before the player powers down

Any thoughts?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jul 2015, 04:39 pm
Hi!

Here's an interesting thing. At the moment I have both the BDP-1 and BDP-2 connected to the system.

Powering down sequence is different for the two players:

- pressing the power button on the BDP-1 turns the player off almost immediately,
- doing the same on the BDP-2 displays "Shutting down" for 20 seconds before the player powers down

Any thoughts?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi

Totally different main board so different shut down sequence.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2015, 12:31 am
BDP-2  S2.16 2015-06-19 
Drives:  Internal=Samsung EVO 840 1TB SSD      External=Crucial 500GB SSD in an un-powered enclosure.

Chris:
 Was testing out a demo AES cable and decided to put the old one back in the system.  Powered down the BDP, powered down the DAC then changed cables.  When the BDP was powered back up it took longer than normal, ( probably the 2 minutes described in the manual ), after which the error 009 displayed.  I could not see whether the DAC locked or not as it was off.  Unplugged and re-plugged the BDP and it booted normally. 8)
 Other things that probably have no bearing, but I'll mention anyway.  MPAD was running with a playlist up, but stopped, when the first boot was attempted.  Also we have had a couple short, 1 second or so, power outages in the last couple weeks requiring an unplug - re-plug of the BDP.
 I looked at the System Log, but could only see the MPD log; The drop-down did not display any other options.

  Should I be concerned at the display of 009 at this point? :?

    Thanks, Rich

Could be a number of things, SSD's tend to use quite all lot of current during POST, so if the regulators were still at running temperature they may no have been able to provide the required current until they had a chance to cool down.  Could be one of your sata cables require reseating and POST was unable to finish probing he drives.  Or a number of other things
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2015, 12:32 am
Hi!

Here's an interesting thing. At the moment I have both the BDP-1 and BDP-2 connected to the system.

Powering down sequence is different for the two players:

- pressing the power button on the BDP-1 turns the player off almost immediately,
- doing the same on the BDP-2 displays "Shutting down" for 20 seconds before the player powers down

Any thoughts?

Cheers!
Antun

Before manic moose we had filesystem issues with the internal storage, by ensuring a proper shutdown sequence we cut down on he number of filesystem corruption issues we were coming across.  Manic moose resolves this all together.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 21 Jul 2015, 04:06 pm
Okay,

I have another question. When the BDP-2 is in standby mode, there is a faint high-frequency tone coming from it. You can hear it when you're close to the machine. It stops when the machine is powered on. I'm just wondering what it is.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2015, 05:45 pm
Okay,

I have another question. When the BDP-2 is in standby mode, there is a faint high-frequency tone coming from it. You can hear it when you're close to the machine. It stops when the machine is powered on. I'm just wondering what it is.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

From engineering:
It is the switching power supply that is powering the front panel and needs to be on at less than 1/2 watt consumption to allow for remote turn-on. When turned on the switching power frequency changes as it is now powering the front panel.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: srb on 21 Jul 2015, 05:53 pm
From engineering:
It is the switching power supply that is powering the front panel and needs to be on at less than 1/2 watt consumption to allow for remote turn-on. When turned on the switching power frequency changes as it is now powering the front panel.

So do all BP-2 owners have this faint high frequency tone coming from their unit on standby?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2015, 06:05 pm
So do all BP-2 owners have this faint high frequency tone coming from their unit on standby?

Not that I am aware off - first time I have heard of this.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 21 Jul 2015, 06:29 pm
Not that I am aware off - first time I have heard of this.

james

Hi James!

BDP-1 produces the same tone, albeit a quieter one. I'm sorry to say but audiometric tests they performed on my hearing revealed I can hear frequencies of 22 kHz... It is not a blessing though.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jul 2015, 06:40 pm
Hi James!

BDP-1 produces the same tone, albeit a quieter one. I'm sorry to say but audiometric tests they performed on my hearing revealed I can hear frequencies of 22 kHz... It is not a blessing though.

Cheers!
Antun

Wow that's impressive - I am limited to 14 K

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 21 Jul 2015, 06:51 pm
Wow that's impressive - I am limited to 14 K

james

Well as impressive as it may sound, imagine being disturbed by a wristwatch ticking in a cupboard drawer in another room... I think you're good with 14 kHz since very few naturally occuring sounds go beyond. It is the experience that matters the most in the audiophile world and that you have plenty of  :thumb:

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jul 2015, 12:02 am
Hi Antun

From engineering:
It is the switching power supply that is powering the front panel and needs to be on at less than 1/2 watt consumption to allow for remote turn-on. When turned on the switching power frequency changes as it is now powering the front panel.

james

I'd just like to add that it's our best guess, it's the only thing that's on when a BDP is in standby
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 22 Jul 2015, 04:30 pm
I'd just like to add that it's our best guess, it's the only thing that's on when a BDP is in standby

But nobody else can hear it?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2015, 05:26 pm
But nobody else can hear it?

Hi Antun,
You're sure it's not the BR2 remote? It has a known high tone when lifted.
Not at my bdp to test right now, but i must admit having sensitive ears not always is a blessing . One of the reasons I prefer my Bdp play from the Nas instead of the Usb  drives.

edit: sorry for the autocorrect incorrections...

Cheers Marius 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 22 Jul 2015, 05:46 pm
Hi Antun,
You're sure it's not the BR2 remote? It has a known high tone when lifted.
Not at my bdp to test right now, but i must admit having sensitive ears not always is a blessing . One of the reasons I prefer my Bdo play from the Nas instead of the sub drives.

Cheers Marius

That's exactly why I switched to an SSD... to stop listening to drive noise.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jul 2015, 03:30 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2/BDA2 Review.


July 2015

Hi Folks,

An excellent full 4 page review on the Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player and BDA-2 DAC combo from  UHF Magazine (issue 96 – Summer 2015) .

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=125122)

Favourite quotes:

1.   The ‘good news’ is that the Bryston DAC translated the digital signals into music of the highest quality. 

The ‘bad news’ is that…there isn’t any bad news.

2.   The orchestral pieces had impact, a wide, deep soundstage and fine detail, and the kicker — Margie Gibson singing — was so human and nearby-sounding that it seemed to me that our reference DAC was outclassed.

Digital conversion has come a long way. I would say that Bryston has caught the wave of the future.

Email me  if you want the  PDF of complete review – jamestanner@bryston.com.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 24 Jul 2015, 08:10 pm
BDP-2  S2.16

I'm probably the only nutcake that did this, but I'll ask anyway.  Has anyone made a Playlist with a name consisting of only numbers and a sign.  I have playlists of the various sample rates ie. 48, 88.2, 96 etc...  They are named 48-24, 88-24, 96-24 etc...  When I try to delete any of these playlists they move to the center, turn red but do not disappear. :?  Has anyone experienced this same phenomenon.

  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Jul 2015, 10:25 pm
BDP-2  S2.16

I'm probably the only nutcake that did this, but I'll ask anyway.  Has anyone made a Playlist with a name consisting of only numbers and a sign.  I have playlists of the various sample rates ie. 48, 88.2, 96 etc...  They are named 48-24, 88-24, 96-24 etc...  When I try to delete any of these playlists they move to the center, turn red but do not disappear. :?  Has anyone experienced this same phenomenon.

  Thanks, Rich

That's will be addressed in the next software release and is fixed in the most recent testing/beta release
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 25 Jul 2015, 05:10 pm
Hi!

I hope this doesn't qualify like another strange question but I was wondering --

upon boot-up of BDP-2, it signals it's loading the system with 4 consecutive tones while the BDP-1 does it with just one tone.

There's one other thing - BDP-2 and BDP-1 seem to have different rear panels. Obviously, I am not referring to the number of connectors or their disposition but the way the rear panel is mounted. The BDP-1 rear panel is essentially the bottom panel bent upwards while the rear panel on the BDP-2 is attached with screws. Is this to make the construction more flexible in terms of expansions?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jul 2015, 05:48 pm
Hi!

I hope this doesn't qualify like another strange question but I was wondering --

upon boot-up of BDP-2, it signals it's loading the system with 4 consecutive tones while the BDP-1 does it with just one tone.

There's one other thing - BDP-2 and BDP-1 seem to have different rear panels. Obviously, I am not referring to the number of connectors or their disposition but the way the rear panel is mounted. The BDP-1 rear panel is essentially the bottom panel bent upwards while the rear panel on the BDP-2 is attached with screws. Is this to make the construction more flexible in terms of expansions?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi

Yes we wanted more flexibility going forward.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 25 Jul 2015, 06:13 pm
James, what about the boot-up tones I mentioned in my previous post? Is this specific to the motherboard used - Intel vs AMD?

Also, I sent you a PM with my email address. If it isn't too much trouble, please send me the BDP-2/BDA-2 review from UHF.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jul 2015, 05:17 pm
James, what about the boot-up tones I mentioned in my previous post? Is this specific to the motherboard used - Intel vs AMD?

Also, I sent you a PM with my email address. If it isn't too much trouble, please send me the BDP-2/BDA-2 review from UHF.

Cheers!
Antun

HI - review sent - Chris can answer the boot up tones as I just assume its the new board - have you noticed how much better the 'start-up tones" fidelity is on the BDP-2  :lol:

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 1 Aug 2015, 01:33 am
Q for James or Chris,since my BDP-2 got back and its sounding great(new sound card).
Seems I lost all playlists which is ok sort of,also when I make a list(not saved) and stop the BDP the whole list is gone.
before if I made a list(not saved)it would be there hour later or even the next day if I wanted to hear it.
Doesn't make sense to me if the sound card was changed that it would effect other operations.
hell I even upgraded to the new firmware today :o.
I won't get to excited at least we have tunes but WTF.
I even refreshed hoping that would keep the list...NOT.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 1 Aug 2015, 03:57 am
Q for James or Chris,since my BDP-2 got back and its sounding great(new sound card).
Seems I lost all playlists which is ok sort of,also when I make a list(not saved) and stop the BDP the whole list is gone.
before if I made a list(not saved)it would be there hour later or even the next day if I wanted to hear it.
Doesn't make sense to me if the sound card was changed that it would effect other operations.
hell I even upgraded to the new firmware today :o.
I won't get to excited at least we have tunes but WTF.
I even refreshed hoping that would keep the list...NOT.

The planet should only disappear if cleared, there are multiple ways multiple ways of clearing the playlist.  One which includes pushing the stop button twice in succession, could this be the cause?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 1 Aug 2015, 12:57 pm
Hi Chris,
Made another list and stopped the player(one click) and logged off.
Came back on and the list was still there so seems were good.
I'll try her again this evening,thx.
6;50 pm and were good,maybe to many pops on the 4'x3' cement pad,thx for gettin back though :duh:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 7 Aug 2015, 02:34 am
Today, lost my  playing list again(within an hour) since the new card WTF is going on.
Deleted the rest :evil:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 9 Aug 2015, 08:02 pm
But nobody else can hear it?

Fear not, even my BDP-2 in standby mode emits an high-frequency tone.
It is generated from this component: http://www.meanwell.com/mw_search/PM-05/PM-05-spec.pdf

The important thing is not to have it on the bedside table in the bedroom :-)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 10 Aug 2015, 07:31 am
 :scratch:
Could that really be the case? (can't imagine since Bryston always stresses the 'dead-silence, ultra black backgrounds, and heavy measures to counter radio and electronic interference, up to designing dedicated non switching ac/dc adapters. And this is built-in?)
If so, seems to be a major design-flaw Bryston should tackle immediately don't you think? Please James/Chris, could you comment on this?

Cheers,
Marius

 
Fear not, even my BDP-2 in standby mode emits an high-frequency tone.
It is generated from this component: http://www.meanwell.com/mw_search/PM-05/PM-05-spec.pdf

The important thing is not to have it on the bedside table in the bedroom :-)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 10 Aug 2015, 10:38 pm
:scratch:
Could that really be the case? (can't imagine since Bryston always stresses the 'dead-silence, ultra black backgrounds, and heavy measures to counter radio and electronic interference, up to designing dedicated non switching ac/dc adapters. And this is built-in?)
If so, seems to be a major design-flaw Bryston should tackle immediately don't you think? Please James/Chris, could you comment on this?

Cheers,
Marius

Marius, keep in mind that the tone is present only in stand-by mode. When the BDP-2 is powered on, it is absolutely silent.
May be in a country you hear it, in another country no, because of a different electrical current and voltage...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Aug 2015, 12:01 am
:scratch:
Could that really be the case? (can't imagine since Bryston always stresses the 'dead-silence, ultra black backgrounds, and heavy measures to counter radio and electronic interference, up to designing dedicated non switching ac/dc adapters. And this is built-in?)
If so, seems to be a major design-flaw Bryston should tackle immediately don't you think? Please James/Chris, could you comment on this?

Cheers,
Marius

We don't hear it and we test the BDP by suppling voltages ranging from +/- 10% 120 and 220 and 50-60hz. Let me also state, this started with the only thing it might be (it it is the BDP) the standby power supply as it's the only thing powered on that could potentially create noise.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 11 Aug 2015, 12:38 am
We don't hear it and we test the BDP by suppling voltages ranging from +/- 10% 120 and 220 and 50-60hz. Let me also state, this started with the only thing it might be (it it is the BDP) the standby power supply as it's the only thing powered on that could potentially create noise.

I think there is a relationship with the illumination of the display, because when the BDP-2 is power on but switches to ''sleep'' mode (after several minutes that is unused), the display switches off and the ''tone'' back to be hear like when the BDP is on standby mode.
Practically when the display is illuminated, BDP-2 is absolutely silent.

I hope it is an understandable translation...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 13 Aug 2015, 03:08 pm
When I connect to my BDP-2 via IP with my iPad Mini (Safari), the app freezes and I cannot perform any tasks.  However, when I use my Windows PC (Internet Explorer), all is functional.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 13 Aug 2015, 03:49 pm
When I connect to my BDP-2 via IP with my iPad Mini (Safari), the app freezes and I cannot perform any tasks.  However, when I use my Windows PC (Internet Explorer), all is functional.

Any ideas?

I experience similar since updating to latest Beta MM.  Simply refreshing the browser sorts it though in my case -still annoying but not terminal.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 13 Aug 2015, 11:57 pm
I just received my new BDP-2 with serial number 716. I am assuming that it has a new sound card.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Aug 2015, 12:12 am
I just received my new BDP-2 with serial number 716. I am assuming that it has a new sound card.

Hi

It will say under Audio Devices in the Dashboard section of Manic Moose.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 14 Aug 2015, 12:41 am
When I connect to my BDP-2 via IP with my iPad Mini (Safari), the app freezes and I cannot perform any tasks.  However, when I use my Windows PC (Internet Explorer), all is functional.

Any ideas?

I've seen safari on an iPad become unresponsive when you change the orientation of the iPad, to make it responsive again you have to exit safari and relaunch it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 14 Aug 2015, 01:27 am
Chris:

My BDP-2 cannot see any of my DACs in  ‘Audio Devices’. How do I get them to show up?

The BDP will play music through them however, including DSD where applicable.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 19 Aug 2015, 09:21 pm
James:

I wonder if you can assist in this matter?

My BDP-2 is still unable to see, in Audio Devices, any of the three DAC's connected to it by USB.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2015, 10:59 pm
James:

I wonder if you can assist in this matter?

My BDP-2 is still unable to see, in Audio Devices, any of the three DAC's connected to it by USB.

Hi

Chris is the expert on this so not sure I can do anything from my end. Do you want to send me your unit and drives and see what we can find?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 19 Aug 2015, 11:11 pm
If you mean physically, then no. I am in Australia. :D

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2015, 11:26 pm
If you mean physically, then no. I am in Australia. :D

Ya that would be excessive.

Maybe Chris can connect remotely?

James



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 19 Aug 2015, 11:37 pm
He is welcome to do so but he did not pick up on my post #1152 so I assumed he was not around. I will put the BDP-2 into Service Mode and email if he is on deck.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: AJAudio on 20 Aug 2015, 12:02 am
Hi,

In the BDP-2, is there a way to "save" the default playlist so that it can continu to where it was at when the BDP-2 was shutdown ?  (It would also be nice to have the possibility of "auto-play" to continu playing the list uppon startup)

(If not, this could be a nice little feature to add...)

Another feature request;

It would be nice in the NAS setup if we could enter a "alias" for this particular library.  This alias would be displayed (and used) by the Media Player (and any other service...) instead of concatenating the share name with the remote NAS.

Thank you for your time!

Take care!
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Aug 2015, 12:19 am
He is welcome to do so but he did not pick up on my post #1152 so I assumed he was not around. I will put the BDP-2 into Service Mode and email if he is on deck.

Hi,

Just place it in service mode and email me the id and a short description of the issue.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Aug 2015, 12:20 am
Hi,

In the BDP-2, is there a way to "save" the default playlist so that it can continu to where it was at when the BDP-2 was shutdown ?  (It would also be nice to have the possibility of "auto-play" to continu playing the list uppon startup)

(If not, this could be a nice little feature to add...)

Another feature request;

It would be nice in the NAS setup if we could enter a "alias" for this particular library.  This alias would be displayed (and used) by the Media Player (and any other service...) instead of concatenating the share name with the remote NAS.

Thank you for your time!

Take care!

I've made note of the requests, both are reasonable and will simply take time to develop, when I find the time.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 20 Aug 2015, 03:08 am
Chris:

My BDP-2 cannot see any of my DACs in  ‘Audio Devices’. How do I get them to show up?

The BDP will play music through them however, including DSD where applicable.



This was actually a browser problem - my Chrome browser does not see the Audio Devices. At Chris' suggestion I tried another browser and with IE the Audio Devices became visible.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 20 Aug 2015, 04:55 am
+1 there!
Ive asked that for a very long time now.... Hope Chris finds time for it. It would really make the BDP leave the roughish computer interface it still has, and make it a more polished and elegant music-player.

fingers crossed.

Cheers,
Marius

 

Another feature request;

It would be nice in the NAS setup if we could enter a "alias" for this particular library.  This alias would be displayed (and used) by the Media Player (and any other service...) instead of concatenating the share name with the remote NAS.

Thank you for your time!

Take care!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 20 Aug 2015, 04:56 am
...

great, Chris, thanks for this.
Marius
I've made note of the requests, both are reasonable and will simply take time to develop, when I find the time.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mslater915 on 21 Aug 2015, 02:30 pm
James,

I am having a couple of problems with my BDP-2 and was hoping you can point me in the right direction.

1) I can't change MPD from 18.21 to 19.9. While it shows that it is available in the drop down list, when I select it and move off of the page it defaults back to 18.21. I have tried all manner of things to try and update to the new MPD, rebooting, trying to apply changes, etc. but nothing seems to work. Can you walk me through this please?

2) Another strange thing is that following update of the firmware to S2.16 I found that I can no longer see my BDP-2 from my Windows machine in Windows Explorer. However, I am able to access it from a web browser. I noticed that the DLNA had been unchecked following the update so I have rechecked that box, but still nothing. I have an external hard drive attached to the BDP-2 through one of the rear USB ports and had regularly copied music files from my desktop to this drive in the past. There must be a simple explanation for why this is no longer working, I am hoping you can put me on the right path!

Thanks in advance!
Michael
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2015, 02:35 pm
James,

I am having a couple of problems with my BDP-2 and was hoping you can point me in the right direction.

1) I can't change MPD from 18.21 to 19.9. While it shows that it is available in the drop down list, when I select it and move off of the page it defaults back to 18.21. I have tried all manner of things to try and update to the new MPD, rebooting, trying to apply changes, etc. but nothing seems to work. Can you walk me through this please?

2) Another strange thing is that following update of the firmware to S2.16 I found that I can no longer see my BDP-2 from my Windows machine in Windows Explorer. However, I am able to access it from a web browser. I noticed that the DLNA had been unchecked following the update so I have rechecked that box, but still nothing. I have an external hard drive attached to the BDP-2 through one of the rear USB ports and had regularly copied music files from my desktop to this drive in the past. There must be a simple explanation for why this is no longer working, I am hoping you can put me on the right path!

Thanks in advance!
Michael

1. Make sure you hit apply at the bottom of the page and then reboot the BDP2

2. Will leave that one for Chris to answer.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mslater915 on 21 Aug 2015, 03:02 pm
Thanks. That did the trick.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mslater915 on 21 Aug 2015, 05:52 pm
Is it possible that a key application or service has been blocked by my McAfee Firewall or AntiVirus program?

Is there a list of applications or services that should be running on my desktop that will find the BDP2? I believe bryston uses the bonjour service, but are there others?

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2015, 07:30 pm
Hi James,

Hope you are doing well.

I've really been enjoying the BDP-2 with the new Integrated Audio Device. Your engineering team has done a fantastic job.

In addition to all the other published comments, I've been hearing details in the music that I have never heard before! That is incredible.

Thanks,
Marc
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 27 Aug 2015, 11:28 pm
Is it possible that a key application or service has been blocked by my McAfee Firewall or AntiVirus program?

Is there a list of applications or services that should be running on my desktop that will find the BDP2? I believe bryston uses the bonjour service, but are there others?

Thanks

Have you tried using the IP address assigned to the BDP?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: AJAudio on 3 Sep 2015, 01:55 am
Hi,

Question:

- How do you get "TV MODE" to show the actually playing song cover ?

Feature request:

- Shairplay
-- Possibility of changing the ID of the BDP-2.  At present time it looks like BDP + the "MAC address" of the connected ethernet cable
-- Possibility of setting a password.

Thanks!

Take care!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 3 Sep 2015, 09:14 am
Hi,

Question:

- How do you get "TV MODE" to show the actually playing song cover ?

Feature request:

- Shairplay
-- Possibility of changing the ID of the BDP-2.  At present time it looks like BDP + the "MAC address" of the connected ethernet cable
-- Possibility of setting a password.

Thanks!

Take care!

Note that BDP2 already has Shairplay.  And from little I've played with it seems to actually work too..
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: AJAudio on 3 Sep 2015, 11:57 am
Note that BDP2 already has Shairplay.  And from little I've played with it seems to actually work too..

Hi Norton,

Perhaps my post wasn't clear enough...  :-)

My feature request was not the addition of Shairplay itself because it is already there, but more the addition of being able to configure the ID that it will broadcast to "Airplay client" and the possibility of setting a password.

Take care!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 4 Sep 2015, 05:13 pm
Have any of you tried the 2xHD files from HDTRacks? If so how do they sound compared to say the 192/24 and 96/24 files? I can't go beyond 96/24 in my current setup so I was just curious what those 352/24 files bring to the table?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 5 Sep 2015, 08:10 pm
I just managed to connect my new BDP-2 with SP3. However, I find now that MPOD & Bryston's built-in web interface shows duplicate albums / songs. How do I get it cleaned-up? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Sep 2015, 10:43 pm
Update the BDP's database, wants that is done, go into your mPod/mPad settings and update the local cache.  If your still seeing doubles, try uninstalling and then reinstalling mPod/mPad.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 8 Sep 2015, 02:19 pm
Does the Bryston BDP-2 player support ROON?

https://roonlabs.com/ (https://roonlabs.com/)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Sep 2015, 11:49 pm
Does the Bryston BDP-2 player support ROON?

https://roonlabs.com/ (https://roonlabs.com/)

Currently it does not
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 10 Sep 2015, 05:42 pm
Can someone point me to the user manual for the Bryston Media Player app that comes with the BDP-2 digital player?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 10 Sep 2015, 08:18 pm
Received my BDP-2 yesterday. Updated the firmware. Could not be more thrilled. The best source component I have ever purchased.

Had a few technical questions and one glitch, called support this morning and resolved it in 5 minutes.

Bryston should be the envy of every other high end audio company.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 10 Sep 2015, 09:05 pm
I do have one quick question..have been up and running connecting via AES/EBU..

I have not been able to get the BDP-2 to push sound out via USB..with two separate USB DACs..

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I can output USB with directly connected storage. I cannot output USB when using the BDP as a DLNA renderer.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Sep 2015, 09:09 pm
HI

Have you selected the USB DAC under Audio Devices in the Manic Moose setup page?

Also you have to reboot the BDP-2 once the USB DAC is attached for it to see it.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gdayton on 10 Sep 2015, 09:16 pm
You may simply need to go to audio devices, then click "enable" beside the USB DAC.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 10 Sep 2015, 09:27 pm
Hi Gary and James:

Yes, I had each DAC selected as audio devices.

I connected a thumb drive and was able to output via USB.

I could not previously when using the BDP-2 as a renderer. I will go back and try again-

EDIT: tried again..I lose USB output when streaming file via ethernet, when set to DLNA Renderer Mode.

(MiniMServer/BDP-2/iFI Micro iDSD DAC (USB) and Simaudio Neo 380D DAC (AES/EBU & USB)

P.S. This is a system changing, mind blowing upgrade. No other digital
source component has been this transformative.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Sep 2015, 10:59 pm
Can someone point me to the user manual for the Bryston Media Player app that comes with the BDP-2 digital player?

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Sep 2015, 11:00 pm
I do have one quick question..have been up and running connecting via AES/EBU..

I have not been able to get the BDP-2 to push sound out via USB..with two separate USB DACs..

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I can output USB with directly connected storage. I cannot output USB when using the BDP as a DLNA renderer.

Audio Devices page only applies to MPD, the BDP will only output to a USB DAC by way of dlna, squeezebox or airplay if the USB dac is plugged into the BDP before the BDP is powered on.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 10 Sep 2015, 11:55 pm
Audio Devices page only applies to MPD, the BDP will only output to a USB DAC by way of dlna, squeezebox or airplay if the USB dac is plugged into the BDP before the BDP is powered on.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

Ok, great, one thing cleared up..the Audio Devices tab pertains only to MPD.

Ok, I shut down all devices,then started up the (connected) DACs, then the BDP-2. Pulled up tracks from via network and still no USB output.

What step am I missing?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2015, 01:35 am
Ok, great, one thing cleared up..the Audio Devices tab pertains only to MPD.

Ok, I shut down all devices,then started up the (connected) DACs, then the BDP-2. Pulled up tracks from via network and still no USB output.

What step am I missing?

Hi Andre

Will get Chris to contact you and help out.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 11 Sep 2015, 01:50 am
Hi Andre

Will get Chris to contact you and help out.

james

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 01:51 am
Ok, great, one thing cleared up..the Audio Devices tab pertains only to MPD.

Ok, I shut down all devices,then started up the (connected) DACs, then the BDP-2. Pulled up tracks from via network and still no USB output.

What step am I missing?

In detail you should take these steps

Turn the BDP off
plug the USB dac into the BDP
Power the USB dac on (if not already on)
Select the USB input on the USB dac
Power on the BDP
Wait until the BDP displays the message "MPD Ready"
Turn on the dlna renderer on, restart if already on

If it's still not working which USB dac are you using?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 11 Sep 2015, 02:14 am
In detail you should take these steps

Turn the BDP off
plug the USB dac into the BDP
Power the USB dac on (if not already on)
Select the USB input on the USB dac
Power on the BDP
Wait until the BDP displays the message "MPD Ready"
Turn on the dlna renderer on, restart if already on

If it's still not working which USB dac are you using?

Hi Chris:

Followed the process above to the letter.

Still no USB output.

The DACs are a Simaudio Neo380D, and an iFi Micro iDSD.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 02:20 am
Please place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 11 Sep 2015, 02:29 am
Please place the BDP into service mode and email me the service id.

Sure thing. just in case it was missed, I did get USB output via local playback.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 11 Sep 2015, 03:08 pm
Question for Chirs:

What type of card is the BDP booted from? Is it a SD flash card, and what size?
I was curious about replacing the card with a high speed card. Is there any easy way for me to copy the exiting card to a new one at home (some sort of disk cloning software I can use)?

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 11 Sep 2015, 09:35 pm
Chris:
 Just had one of those really short, less than a second, power outages.  The BDP-2 went silent and had to be rebooted.
    I have a really unrealistic but cool idea:
 How about putting a battery in the BDP that would keep the power on long enough to properly execute a shutdown in the event there was a power outage of a ( to be determined ) certain amount of time.  If the outage was shorter than that time the battery would relinquish power back to AC.
 Probably not enough room inside there to do this + cost would probably be too much.  Just a thought.
   Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 11 Sep 2015, 11:04 pm
Chris:
 Just had one of those really short, less than a second, power outages.  The BDP-2 went silent and had to be rebooted.
    I have a really unrealistic but cool idea:
 How about putting a battery in the BDP that would keep the power on long enough to properly execute a shutdown in the event there was a power outage of a ( to be determined ) certain amount of time.  If the outage was shorter than that time the battery would relinquish power back to AC.
 Probably not enough room inside there to do this + cost would probably be too much.  Just a thought.
   Rich

or...Bryston could add a UPC unit to their BIT lineup. Seems like a perfect product.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 11:09 pm
Question for Chirs:

What type of card is the BDP booted from? Is it a SD flash card, and what size?
I was curious about replacing the card with a high speed card. Is there any easy way for me to copy the exiting card to a new one at home (some sort of disk cloning software I can use)?

- Garrett

Currently we use 133x 8GB cf card, this card replaced a 133x 4GB cf card as the price difference was a few pennies and figured why the hell not.  The cf cards are connected to the system by way of a PATA bus which happens to have the same base speed of cf cards, meaning the cf cards are already as fast as the interface will allow.  This was confirmed years ago benchmarking a cf card rated 266x and 600x, boot up time was identical to the stock 133x cards.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 11:12 pm
Chris:
 Just had one of those really short, less than a second, power outages.  The BDP-2 went silent and had to be rebooted.
    I have a really unrealistic but cool idea:
 How about putting a battery in the BDP that would keep the power on long enough to properly execute a shutdown in the event there was a power outage of a ( to be determined ) certain amount of time.  If the outage was shorter than that time the battery would relinquish power back to AC.
 Probably not enough room inside there to do this + cost would probably be too much.  Just a thought.
   Rich

Not as dumb as you might think and pretty realistic, not to mention it could be a selling feature to some hard core audiophiles.  I'm going to start pricing out some lithium ion batteries
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Sep 2015, 11:14 pm
Sure thing. just in case it was missed, I did get USB output via local playback.

There appears to be a problem with BDP-2's that use the new BUC board audio device, this should be resolved in the new testing build.


Instructions on how to install the testing builds
http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=134

Also you can use the the NAS setup feature to play audio back from a NAS using the tradion playback controls
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 11 Sep 2015, 11:50 pm
There appears to be a problem with BDP-2's that use the new BUC board audio device, this should be resolved in the new testing build.


Instructions on how to install the testing builds
http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=134

Also you can use the the NAS setup feature to play audio back from a NAS using the tradion playback controls

Well well..you are a Friday miracle worker. I've got USB output with the BDP-2 as renderer.

Thank you!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2015, 12:00 am
I'm not sure if you've downloaded the new firmware or you just havn't restarted your BDP since last night as i did edit the files manually last night.  If you havn't updated to today build a restart will wipe out the change i made last night
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Sep 2015, 12:12 am
I'm not sure if you've downloaded the new firmware or you just havn't restarted your BDP since last night as i did edit the files manually last night.  If you havn't updated to today build a restart will wipe out the change i made last night

 I just updated to the beta firmware, after seeing your message, and the unit had not been powered down since last night.

One quirk, it seems I can't output AES/EBU and USB at the same time.  Trying again.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Sep 2015, 01:09 am
I just updated to the beta firmware, after seeing your message, and the unit had not been powered down since last night.

One quirk, it seems I can't output AES/EBU and USB at the same time.  Trying again.

just to clarify this is how we intended it, one or the other
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 12 Sep 2015, 01:10 am
just to clarify this is how we intended it, one or the other

I figured. No worries at all. A simple restart when switching from one DAC to another is not a deal killer :).

Thanks again and have a great weekend.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Sep 2015, 08:58 pm
Quick question:

Can anyone give me the Cliff Notes version on how to make a USB drive attached to the BDP-2 appear on
the network?

I have enabled SMB sharing, but the attached thumb drive is not visible on a remote computer, just "upnp", and "USER", when I connect to the player.

The intention is to leave the drive attached and have the ability to load music on it via the network.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Sep 2015, 10:32 pm
Ignore post above..a simple reboot made the drive available on the network.

Guys, the BDP-2 is the best kept secret in high end audio.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Sep 2015, 11:16 pm
Quick question:

Can anyone give me the Cliff Notes version on how to make a USB drive attached to the BDP-2 appear on
the network?

I have enabled SMB sharing, but the attached thumb drive is not visible on a remote computer, just "upnp", and "USER", when I connect to the player.

The intention is to leave the drive attached and have the ability to load music on it via the network.

Thanks in advance!

If you stop and then start samba from the services page each time it starts it generates a share for each drive
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Sep 2015, 11:34 pm
"Guys, the BDP-2 is the best kept secret in high end audio."


Hi

Thank you for this comment - most people think a computer is a computer and bits are bits but the difference when you use a product dedicated to do nothing except play digital music files as well as possible the performance difference is HUGE!!!

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Sep 2015, 11:41 pm
If you stop and then start samba from the services page each time it starts it generates a share for each drive

Thanks. I'm learning quick!   8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 13 Sep 2015, 11:48 pm
"Guys, the BDP-2 is the best kept secret in high end audio."


Hi

Thank you for this comment - most people think a computer is a computer and bits are bits but the difference when you use a product dedicated to do nothing except play digital music files as well as possible the performance difference is HUGE!!!

james

The difference is ABSOLUTELY huge. A component that is purpose built to render audio, especially by an engineering driven company, simply cannot be matched by laptop or desktop computer. Folks using traditional computers are constantly chasing their tails trying to get them to sound good. The amount of noise and other garbage inside a multipurpose computer, even a really good one like a Mac Book Pro, which I am typing this on, is astounding. 

The fact that a simple Vbus filter like the Audioquest Jitterbug reportedly improves the sound (see Stereophile review) is proof positive what a compromised environment these devices are.

It is amazing to me that simple firmware updates can add more features to the BDP series, at no additional cost to the owner.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 14 Sep 2015, 12:48 am
Has anyone who connects drives with Mini USB inputs tried either Audioquest or Kimber "audiophile grade" USB Mini cables? I believe they two companies the only two who make them.

Edit: it looks like WireWorld and Supra also make them.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 14 Sep 2015, 05:34 pm
Is there a maximum size limit (capacity) for an internal Solid State Drive (SSD) that is supported by the BDP-2 software/firmware?

Also, are there any other "limitations" (or important things to know) when purchasing an SSD that will be installed inside a BDP-2?

Last, how easy is it to copy FLAC music files to the internal SSD of a BDP-2 and can they be copied from a locally attached USB memory stick or hard drive?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 14 Sep 2015, 10:49 pm
Is there a maximum size limit (capacity) for an internal Solid State Drive (SSD) that is supported by the BDP-2 software/firmware?

Also, are there any other "limitations" (or important things to know) when purchasing an SSD that will be installed inside a BDP-2?

Last, how easy is it to copy FLAC music files to the internal SSD of a BDP-2 and can they be copied from a locally attached USB memory stick or hard drive?

No limitations beyond the mounting is designed for 2.5" drives, not 3.5" drives.  I havn't tested an ssd rated at more then 1.4Amps.

Currently we only support copying files to internal storage over the network.  It shouldn't be to terribly difficult of a task once you become accustom to the process.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 16 Sep 2015, 07:45 am
Currently we use 133x 8GB cf card, this card replaced a 133x 4GB cf card as the price difference was a few pennies and figured why the hell not.  The cf cards are connected to the system by way of a PATA bus which happens to have the same base speed of cf cards, meaning the cf cards are already as fast as the interface will allow.  This was confirmed years ago benchmarking a cf card rated 266x and 600x, boot up time was identical to the stock 133x cards.

Thanks Chris!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pearlcfam on 16 Sep 2015, 03:03 pm
Just wondering if someday it would be possible to login directly to XM internet radio (as long as your a subscriber) through the BDP. I know I can 'push' the stream (not sure of the correct terminology) from my iphone to the BDP but quality wise I am assuming logging in and streaming directly from the BDP box would be much better.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Sep 2015, 10:59 pm
Just wondering if someday it would be possible to login directly to XM internet radio (as long as your a subscriber) through the BDP. I know I can 'push' the stream (not sure of the correct terminology) from my iphone to the BDP but quality wise I am assuming logging in and streaming directly from the BDP box would be much better.

That would depend on whether or not they lower the quality when you do that.  We havn't had all lot of request for xm, if we do develop for another streaming service beyond bRadio and Tidal it will likley be spotify.

Currently it seems to be the most asked for, along with pandora and deezer.  We have already registered a dev key with spotify and compiled one of the demo programs called jukebox.  It can be found in the manicmoose firmware under /3rd somewhere.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pearlcfam on 17 Sep 2015, 12:13 am
Thanks for the post. I will check out Tidal. I read that Tidal will stream the MQA format, Maybe Bryston will eventually have its own 'AppStore' where people can purchase plugins such as an MQA module this way we can take advantage of advancements and not have Bryston bear the cost for licensing fees.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 18 Sep 2015, 05:42 pm
Has anyone successfully used the new IAD board in the Bryston BDP-2 connected via a XLR or Coax to a PS Audio Direct Stream Dac?
I have now tried two 2 separate IAD boards, and when playing Hi Rez (at 24/192 PCM) I am getting severe distortion.
Ozzy
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2015, 05:44 pm
Has anyone successfully used the new IAD board in the Bryston BDP-2 connected via a XLR or Coax to a PS Audio Direct Stream Dac?
I have now tried two 2 separate IAD boards, and when playing Hi Rez (at 24/192 PCM) I am getting severe distortion.
Ozzy

Hi Ozzy

I will ask Chris as we have a PS here - it may have something to do with the PS up-sampling everything to a very hi frequency on the input?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 18 Sep 2015, 06:07 pm
Thanks, I have talked to Chris and Mike.
The firmware used in the PS Audio Direct Stream is the latest version "Yale Final", just in case that matters.
ozzy
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 18 Sep 2015, 09:07 pm
That would depend on whether or not they lower the quality when you do that.  We havn't had all lot of request for xm, if we do develop for another streaming service beyond bRadio and Tidal it will likley be spotify.

Currently it seems to be the most asked for, along with pandora and deezer.  We have already registered a dev key with spotify and compiled one of the demo programs called jukebox.  It can be found in the manicmoose firmware under /3rd somewhere.

We use Rhapsody for radio-style listening, and I use Spotify for specific songs/artists. So we'd love to have those added. I could almost get rid of the Sonos and JUST use my BPD-2.

I wasn't as impressed with Tidal's "sounds similar to this artist"-type feature when I tried it last. And as of yet, I just can't justify $20/month/device from Tidal. I'd rather buy the CDs at that price. Maybe if Tidal was $20/household.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 28 Sep 2015, 02:21 pm
As per the Bryston website, the BDP-2 supports USB Output with software version S1.70 or newer.

Which rear USB port would used for USB Output?

Also, does the USB Output support DSD?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 28 Sep 2015, 02:54 pm
As per the Bryston website, the BDP-2 supports USB Output with software version S1.70 or newer.

Which rear USB port would used for USB Output?

Also, does the USB Output support DSD?

As a user who asked all these questions...

ANY USB port can be used..USB is a two way transmission scheme..

YES, for DSD...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Sep 2015, 02:55 pm
As per the Bryston website, the BDP-2 supports USB Output with software version S1.70 or newer.

Which rear USB port would used for USB Output?

Also, does the USB Output support DSD?

Hi

You can use any USB out and yes it will support DSD

james

PS - sorry the above got posted while I was typing  :duh:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 28 Sep 2015, 02:56 pm
Hi

You can use any USB out and yes it will support DSD

james

PS - sorry the above got posted while I was typing  :duh:

Beat you by two minutes heheh!!

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Sep 2015, 10:25 pm
As per the Bryston website, the BDP-2 supports USB Output with software version S1.70 or newer.

Which rear USB port would used for USB Output?

Also, does the USB Output support DSD?

You'll need to be running S2.10 or newer if you want DSD
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 1 Oct 2015, 07:32 pm
I am successfully streaming Tidal through my wireless bridge and fit works very well.
I can stream tidal through ethernet cable from my imac in another room.
Is it possible through the BDP-2 to stream through ethernet from my iMac but control
the streaming menu wirelessly through my iPad in the same room as my audio?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 1 Oct 2015, 10:31 pm
The BDP firmware has a tidal app found in the applications folder
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 1 Oct 2015, 10:38 pm
yes, thank you . I'm using the Tidal app.
just wondered you can play hard wired through the player while controlling the app wirelessly
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 1 Oct 2015, 11:52 pm
yes, thank you . I'm using the Tidal app.
just wondered you can play hard wired through the player while controlling the app wirelessly

Yes, that should work.  I control my hard wired BDP-2 using my iPad or laptop.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Silverbullet on 2 Oct 2015, 06:00 am
I bought a second hand BDP2 in August and had nothing but trouble trying to get the Bryston music DB set up. Loaded firmware S2.18 last night and everything just works brilliantly now.

Complements my 4BSST/BP26/MPS2/BCD1/BDA1 perfectly, awaiting release of BDA3.

Thanks for the great equipment.

Peter
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 3 Oct 2015, 05:42 pm
thanks BSMSPEMBA
 
when I connect the BDP by ethernet to my router i get IP address
192.168.1.246
My ipad won't connect to that IP address
are you using a separate router through the other ethernet port on the BDP
if not , what is your setup?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 4 Oct 2015, 12:51 pm
I had the same problem. Wireless Access point and BDP must be in same network or both should be connected to same port on Router or Switch.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: keithjacksontucson on 4 Oct 2015, 07:19 pm
ok I figured it out finally
Ethernet cable from back room router into other router in audio room then other router ethernet output
into ethernet port on BDP-2.
Then log into IP address  and music is streaming hard wired but controlled through 2nd router
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 5 Oct 2015, 05:53 pm
ok I figured it out finally
Ethernet cable from back room router into other router in audio room then other router ethernet output
into ethernet port on BDP-2.
Then log into IP address  and music is streaming hard wired but controlled through 2nd router

I apologize for the delay in replying to your question about how my system is setup.  Glad it is working.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Oct 2015, 05:14 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: BDA-2 DAC/BDP-2 Player – Customer Feedback


Hi James

It was a pleasure to met you at CEDIA....thank you very much for your time. I’m still in Miami but I-m sending you copy of Fernand Gozalez e-mail comments.
 
Best regards
Pablo
 

Dear Mr. Tanner,

These are not my first couple of Bryston units. In fact, I've been already quite impressed since I own your 4B-SST², and your BP-25P.


But these BDP-2 & BDA-2 are mind blowing.

I had been following their development ever since they were announced, waiting for the appropriate opportunity to purchase them. Living very far away from Canada, it's not sensible to take the odds ratio the easy way. Fortunately, Mr. Pablo Janssen helped me once again.

I've been getting acquainted with the BDP-2 slowly and carefully, now it's only 4 days I have both units at home. I'm reading the AudioCircle forum rather than asking. When in doubt, I email Chris Rice. His help has already been very important for me, and he has been quick and accurate and much to-the-point. 

Seriously, thank you very much for developing Bryston products. I've been watching your company grow and develop with great success ever since I first read an ad of Bryston at Stereophile and at Audio magazines.

Sincerely,
Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 19 Oct 2015, 06:11 pm
Yes, it's me who wrote that _  8)

Still in the learning curve !!

Oh! - and I do have some inexpensive upgrading ideas regarding the BP-25 and maybe for the BP-26 too  :roll:

Cheers from Uruguay, for everyone here.

From a happy Bryston owner.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wim J on 28 Oct 2015, 10:11 pm
Currently it does not

It does Roon a little,... But, please please Bryston,  integrate the Roon Speakers protocol in the BDP’s software,... Please get in touch with the Roon guys. Their software is just  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=130652)
Screenshot from Roon software remote streaming to my BDP-1 .
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: skidaner on 9 Nov 2015, 01:26 pm
Has the noise problem with the new IAD board playing Hi Rez music
on the PS Audio Dirctstream DAC been resolved?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: soliver on 9 Nov 2015, 10:25 pm
Skid,

For a consumer answer, i did the upgrade and have a directstream.

I do get distortion on 24 bit 196 stuff, not sure on 24/96, don't think so but anyway

Switching to my USB input on the directstream dac fixes the distortion versus aes/ebu

For me my aes connection is better both from a cable and sound side, but for $150 I have a decent shunyata USB cord that fixes this issue and allows higher DSD transmission as well (2x DSD max on directstream)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: skidaner on 10 Nov 2015, 01:31 am
Hi Soliver,

I don't think the new iAd board was made to improve the SQ of the USB?

I also have a nice AES cable that I want to use.

Which Shunyata USB cable are you using?

Hopefully, Bryston can fix this problem.

Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Nov 2015, 02:00 pm
Hi Folks,

COMING SOON:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=131822)

Have a detailed review coming on the Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player from Absolute Sound Magazine comparing the Juli@ audio card with the Bryston BIAD (Bryston Integrated Audio Device) in the January 2016 issue.

James

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 19 Nov 2015, 01:24 am
Chris:
 I am looking at DSD DACs to replace my PCM DAC.  One of the candidates takes Native DSD only.

 What would it take to program the BDP to either send DOP or Native DSD?  Does this involve Sony in some way?

   Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Nov 2015, 03:37 am
The BDP firmware Manic Moose supports DoP

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

page 15
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 20 Nov 2015, 09:46 pm
Chris:
 Do you mean to say there is no distinction between Native DSD and DOP?

   Thanks, Rich :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 21 Nov 2015, 11:54 am
Chris:
 Do you mean to say there is no distinction between Native DSD and DOP?

   Thanks, Rich :scratch:

Of course there isn't. DoP was developed by digital specialist from dCS out of Scotland. DoP protocol is a matter of data "presenting" to the DAC, nothing else. It is much like data prefix flagging which instructs the DAC to process the data as DSD even if it is packed as PCM. The data itself is identical to DSD in it's stored (native) form.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2015, 01:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Yes there are some who feel that DSD 'Native' is really not necessary given that DSD 'DOP' is doable by most DSD capable DACs.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 22 Nov 2015, 02:49 am
R. Daneel
 The guys from Hegel gave me the impression, via eMail, DOP would not work with their DACs.  Also a quote from a Computer Audiophile review. "Readers Should note DSD playback is Native DSD only, not DOP."  Maybe they got it wrong, but it sounds to me like Native DSD and DOP are two different animals.

   Rich :scratch:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Nov 2015, 04:28 am
As long as the dac treats them the same I would say there would be no difference.  DoP as mentioned previously is DSD just transported differently.  Ultimately it's the same data that is being decoded.  If your looking at a dac that is native DSD only, I wouldn't recommend using it with the BDP.  We have no time line on when we will support native DSD (we do support DoP currently).  The other issue with native DSD support are the varied formats that need to be supported.  When we do implement native DSD, it doesn't necessarily mean your dac will be compatible with native DSD that our player outputs.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Nov 2015, 08:25 pm
Hi James,

My report on the recent IAD upgrade for one of my  BDP-2s. The report was posted online on the Polk Audio forum near the end of this thread:

http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/166413/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player-review#latest

Ray Smith
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 23 Nov 2015, 04:38 am
As long as the dac treats them the same I would say there would be no difference.  DoP as mentioned previously is DSD just transported differently.  Ultimately it's the same data that is being decoded.  If your looking at a dac that is native DSD only, I wouldn't recommend using it with the BDP.  We have no time line on when we will support native DSD (we do support DoP currently).  The other issue with native DSD support are the varied formats that need to be supported.  When we do implement native DSD, it doesn't necessarily mean your dac will be compatible with native DSD that our player outputs.

DSD seems like a giant pain in the butt.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Servingthemusic.com on 23 Nov 2015, 05:04 am
DSD seems like a giant pain in the butt.

Honestly, not really. I stream up to 256 DSD via ethernet to the BDP-2.  Output via USB to iFI Micro iDSD DAC.

Just ordred a BDA-3.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Nov 2015, 09:13 am
DSD seems like a giant pain in the butt.

Hi Grit

It does get a little complicated because of all the different versions of DSD and I think a lot of people do not realize what version of DSD they are actually listening too. The BDA3 though has 2 different circuit paths so it detects what type of digital signal is present and decodes it appropriately either PCM or DSD and will indicate on the front panel which specific sample rate and version it is dealing with.

james

Here is something I wrote a while ago which may help.

Hi folks

I have been asked a number of times by our customers our position on DSD so please find below our thoughts. DSD currently is available in a number of variations. Assuming you want to produce a product that can grow with time and market forces both hardware and software should to be considered.

DOP 64, 128, 256, 512 (last 2 are theoretical at this point) and DSD Native are the current options. Currently DSD is possible relatively easily with current software and hardware utilizing DOP 64 on current DAC’s and to some degree DOP 128

For example:
DOP-64 requires 176.4 capable DAC’s
DOP-128 requires 352.8 capable DAC’s
DSD Native 64 x 44.1 (standard 2.8224 MHz) (which is equivalent to 16 BIT 176.4 PCM) DAC’s.

Currently the majority of DSD capable products today are using DOP-64 architecture and some DOP-128 and DSD Native. There are also some manufacturers that have proprietary hardware and software which are capable of DOP-64, DOP-128 and Native DSD but proprietary software is not compatible with USB 2 drivers etc.

The other issue we are investigating has to do with the sample rate converters in DAC’s.  In order to activate DSD the sample rate converter on the DAC inut stage would have to be a custom piece because current sample rate converters are not equipped to handle DSD to the best of our knowledge?

So that means in a standard PCM converter like our BDA-2 you would have to bypass the sample rate converter which may cause more jitter because our current sample converters reduce jitter on the input.  So in Bryston’s case we definitely want the sample rate converter in the circuit for 44.1 to 192 PCM signals. Also some DAC’s we have looked at that are DSD capable convert all the incoming sample rates (44,48,88,96,176,192Hz) to a very high single sample rate ‘Asynchronously’ whereas our preference with our DAC’s is to maintain the ‘Native’ incoming sample rate throughout the conversion process with all PCM signals.  If we do up-sample we do it in a synchronous manner so (44.1 becomes 176.4 and 48 becomes 192) not asynchronous.

So before Bryston goes down the DSD road I want to make sure we are providing our customers with the full story and allowing for possible advancements in both hardware and software development as much as possible. Also please offer any info or input if you feel we are mistaken or misinformed.

Note- DOP – Stands for DSD over PCM

James Tanner





Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 24 Nov 2015, 11:23 pm
Thanks for the info James. Your customer service is just outstanding!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrystonFan on 26 Nov 2015, 04:55 am
How does one set the AES input on the SP3 in order to use the BDP2?
I don't see it as a selectable digital input to identify it to a source
Appreciate any assistance.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 26 Nov 2015, 05:14 am
How does one set the AES input on the SP3 in order to use the BDP2?
I don't see it as a selectable digital input to identify it to a source
Appreciate any assistance.

Select Bal-1 or Bal-2, depending on which input the BDP is connected.  Next, press the Digital button.  That should do it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrystonFan on 26 Nov 2015, 01:28 pm
So did I, but I see the BDP2 playing, but no volume out of SP3. the display says AES1 Digital NO. I'm thinking it may be a bad AES/EBU cable (but it can't be-it's a Bryston).
I even tried changing inputs to AES2 - silence.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Nov 2015, 01:59 pm
So did I, but I see the BDP2 playing, but no volume out of SP3. the display says AES1 Digital NO. I'm thinking it may be a bad AES/EBU cable (but it can't be-it's a Bryston).
I even tried changing inputs to AES2 - silence.

Sounds strange - email Mike - mpickett@bryston.com

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 26 Nov 2015, 04:08 pm
So did I, but I see the BDP2 playing, but no volume out of SP3. the display says AES1 Digital NO. I'm thinking it may be a bad AES/EBU cable (but it can't be-it's a Bryston).
I even tried changing inputs to AES2 - silence.

Just to see if there is an issue with the BDP, I suggest connecting it to the SP3 via USB.  Try playing an MP3 or 44/16 to see if that works.  If it does, then at least you know it can play something.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BrystonFan on 26 Nov 2015, 11:17 pm
Mike to the rescue!

Thanks again to the excellent after sales service Bryston provides. :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Norton on 27 Nov 2015, 01:46 pm
DSD seems like a giant pain in the butt.

Doesn't  seem that way to me.  Had my BDP2 for a year, never had any problems playing DSD 64/128 to either of my DSD capable DACs.

I think the discussion of DoP vs "native" DSD is over complicating things for the majority.
As far as I am aware, most common DSD-capable DACS accept DoP, so in case of doubt it's just a case of checking literature or dealer for DoP compatibility  before buying for use with BDP.  If it's a DSD Capable DAC and literature states that no additional driver is required for MAC or Linux then likely it's fine with BDP.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 27 Nov 2015, 07:15 pm
James Tanner, Chris Rice or anyone who can help at Bryston.

Has Bryston fixed the terrible distortion problem that occurs when using the PS Audio Direct Stream (in HiRez 24-192) with the new IAD board for the Bryston BDP-2 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2015, 07:46 pm
James Tanner, Chris Rice or anyone who can help at Bryston.

Has Bryston fixed the terrible distortion problem that occurs when using the PS Audio Direct Stream (in HiRez 24-192) with the new IAD board for the Bryston BDP-2 ?

HI

No we have tried a number of different things but so far there is an incompatibility between the two.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 27 Nov 2015, 08:37 pm
Too bad, but thanks for the reply. Keep working on it, ok?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: DarqueKnight on 28 Nov 2015, 12:11 am
Has Bryston fixed the terrible distortion problem that occurs when using the PS Audio Direct Stream (in HiRez 24-192) with the new IAD board for the Bryston BDP-2 ?

My solution was to sell my DS DAC. :icon_twisted:


HI

No we have tried a number of different things but so far there is an incompatibility between the two.

James, my BDP-2s would be perfect if I could insert a 2 second gap between songs. My DAC sometimes mutes the first couple seconds of the next song if it is a different sampling rate. I would think a gap option would be simple to implement in software. Software players like JRiver allow you to do this.

Even better would be if the BDP-2 could read all the songs in a playlist and then presample them to find out the various sampling rates, and then insert an appropriate gap when required.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2015, 01:24 pm
My solution was to sell my DS DAC. :icon_twisted:


James, my BDP-2s would be perfect if I could insert a 2 second gap between songs. My DAC sometimes mutes the first couple seconds of the next song if it is a different sampling rate. I would think a gap option would be simple to implement in software. Software players like JRiver allow you to do this.

Even better would be if the BDP-2 could read all the songs in a playlist and then presample them to find out the various sampling rates, and then insert an appropriate gap when required.

Not sure if that is possible but I will ask Chris to comment - what DAC are you using?  I do not have that issue with our BDA2 or BDA3.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Ned F. Kuehn on 28 Nov 2015, 03:29 pm
Not sure if that is possible but I will ask Chris to comment - what DAC are you using?  I do not have that issue with our BDA2 or BDA3.

james

I have this same problem since upgrading my BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD. This has been a problem primarily with 192 and to a lesser degree with 176.4 rate files. I currently use AES-XLR out from the BDP-2 to AES-XLR in to the DAC's to the Bryston SP-3 2 channel bypass, but this issue also appears with SPDIF out/in. The DAC's I have routinely encountered this in my system include the Classe SSP-800, Bryston SP-3, AURALAC Vega, and Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference. The worst was the SSP-800 where switching from a lower sampling rate file to 176.4 or 192 rate files (or jumping from one track to another within a 176.4 or 192 file) would occasionally freeze the SSP-800 requiring a complete shut down and reboot of the processor (I sold the SSP-800 and replaced it with the Bryston SP-3 due to this behavior). The Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference has a light indicating a lock on the signal, and it takes about 1-2 seconds to show a lock on the signal when flipping from lower resolution to high resolution files or jumping between tracks on high resolution files. This was not something I encountered with the original Julia card. As much as I like the BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD, this behavior is a bit annoying.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2015, 04:18 pm
I have this same problem since upgrading my BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD. This has been a problem primarily with 192 and to a lesser degree with 176.4 rate files. I currently use AES-XLR out from the BDP-2 to AES-XLR in to the DAC's to the Bryston SP-3 2 channel bypass, but this issue also appears with SPDIF out/in. The DAC's I have routinely encountered this in my system include the Classe SSP-800, Bryston SP-3, AURALAC Vega, and Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference. The worst was the SSP-800 where switching from a lower sampling rate file to 176.4 or 192 rate files (or jumping from one track to another within a 176.4 or 192 file) would occasionally freeze the SSP-800 requiring a complete shut down and reboot of the processor (I sold the SSP-800 and replaced it with the Bryston SP-3 due to this behavior). The Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference has a light indicating a lock on the signal, and it takes about 1-2 seconds to show a lock on the signal when flipping from lower resolution to high resolution files or jumping between tracks on high resolution files. This was not something I encountered with the original Julia card. As much as I like the BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD, this behavior is a bit annoying.

Yes I guess there must be some differences with the IAD card vs the typical sound card.  Fortunately it does not seem to be an issue with the BDA2 or BDA3. We will continue to look at it to see if we can sort it out.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: DarqueKnight on 28 Nov 2015, 04:50 pm
Not sure if that is possible but I will ask Chris to comment - what DAC are you using?  I do not have that issue with our BDA2 or BDA3.

james

Current DAC is dCS Debussy. I experience the problem with the original BDP-2 Juli@ card and with the IAD card. However, it problem is less severe with the IAD card. I have also experienced the problem with my Cary Audio DMC-600SE DAC.

I did not experience the problem with the DAC stage of my Cary Audio CD 306 Pro Version SACD player, nor with my Cary Audio DAC-100 which is used with my other BDP-2 in my office system.

The least offender is the Debussy. The CD306 PV is an older model (2008) whereas the DMC-600SE and DAC-100 are 2015 models. Therefore I was surprised that the newer, top-of-the-line Cary DAC would have this issue while the older CD306PV and lower line DAC-100 does not.

I have this same problem since upgrading my BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD. This has been a problem primarily with 192 and to a lesser degree with 176.4 rate files. I currently use AES-XLR out from the BDP-2 to AES-XLR in to the DAC's to the Bryston SP-3 2 channel bypass, but this issue also appears with SPDIF out/in. The DAC's I have routinely encountered this in my system include the Classe SSP-800, Bryston SP-3, AURALAC Vega, and Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference. The worst was the SSP-800 where switching from a lower sampling rate file to 176.4 or 192 rate files (or jumping from one track to another within a 176.4 or 192 file) would occasionally freeze the SSP-800 requiring a complete shut down and reboot of the processor (I sold the SSP-800 and replaced it with the Bryston SP-3 due to this behavior). The Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference has a light indicating a lock on the signal, and it takes about 1-2 seconds to show a lock on the signal when flipping from lower resolution to high resolution files or jumping between tracks on high resolution files. This was not something I encountered with the original Julia card. As much as I like the BDP-2 with the Bryston IAD, this behavior is a bit annoying.

My experiences have been similar to yours, with the exception that the IAD significantly lessened the degree of the problem. Sometimes, with the Cary DMC-600SE, when going from a 44.1k file to a 192k file, a lock could not be achieved and loud static would come from the speakers. If I stopped playback and restarted the 192k file, it would play normally.

The workaround  I have been using is, when I know the next file is going to be a different rate, I pause playback for a couple of seconds as soon as the BDP-2 switches to the next song. This gives the BDP-2 time to "get itself together" for the different rate.

Most of my music files are 44.1k PCM and DSD64 and most of my playlists are music with the same sampling rate. I do have a few playlists with songs with different PCM rates as well as some playlists with songs with different rates of PCM and some DSD64 songs.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Dec 2015, 07:55 pm
Bryston BDP-2 with new Integrated Device Reviewed

Great review in the new issue of TAS just out today.

Well done Bryston!

Bavarian
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 2 Dec 2015, 01:48 am
Bryston BDP-2 with new Integrated Device Reviewed

Great review in the new issue of TAS just out today.

Well done Bryston!

Bavarian


Hi James,
Is the aforementioned review published in TAS website?
Cannot find it there.
Perhaps printed only, I don't know.
Cheers,
Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2015, 02:46 am
Hi James,
Is the aforementioned review published in TAS website?
Cannot find it there.
Perhaps printed only, I don't know.
Cheers,
Fernando.

No as far as I know it is not available except in the Magazine.  I am trying to get a PDF of it.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 2 Dec 2015, 03:37 am
No as far as I know it is not available except in the Magazine.  I am trying to get a PDF of it.

james

Thank you.
TAS magazine does not reach my neighbourhood ... .
Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 2 Dec 2015, 03:42 am
I did not see it on the website.  Hopefully someone will get it to James so he can share it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2015, 04:07 pm
Here' a teaser from the review:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132882)

"As someone who has been generally disappointed with USB Audio—not due to dogmatic bias, but because most such products that I've auditioned have failed to deliver the performance that I routinely achieve with SPDIF sources—I was thrilled (and, frankly, relieved) to hear the USB-derived SPDIF and AES/EBU outputs of the BDP-2's Integrated Audio Device deliver across-the-board improvements above and beyond the performance of its predecessor's customized ESI Juli@ PCI audio interface.

At last, here was "proof of principle" evidence that the USB interface could function as an audio conduit of the highest caliber."


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 2 Dec 2015, 06:26 pm
Here' a teaser from the review:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132882)

"As someone who has been generally disappointed with USB Audio—not due to dogmatic bias, but because most such products that I've auditioned have failed to deliver the performance that I routinely achieve with SPDIF sources—I was thrilled (and, frankly, relieved) to hear the USB-derived SPDIF and AES/EBU outputs of the BDP-2's Integrated Audio Device deliver across-the-board improvements above and beyond the performance of its predecessor's customized ESI Juli@ PCI audio interface.

At last, here was "proof of principle" evidence that the USB interface could function as an audio conduit of the highest caliber."


Hi James,

I'm a little confused...  :?

The upgraded IAD audio card only includes the SPDIF and AES/EBU output ports (as per the pic below).  How does the IAD improve/affect USB output sound?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132885)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Dec 2015, 06:31 pm
I think he had not really tried the USB before and was surprised at the quality he was getting.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 2 Dec 2015, 06:40 pm
I think he had not really tried the USB before and was surprised at the quality he was getting.

james

now I understand why you called this one a «teaser» ...  :icon_lol:
fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: plurn on 3 Dec 2015, 05:01 am
Hi James,

I'm a little confused...  :?

The upgraded IAD audio card only includes the SPDIF and AES/EBU output ports (as per the pic below).  How does the IAD improve/affect USB output sound?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=132885)


The BDP-2's new Integrated Audio Device is a USB device - though that might not be clear to all since it does not use the usual USB connector we are familiar with. It connects to the BDP-2 motherboard via a USB header on the motherboard.

So when the review says "At last, here was "proof of principle" evidence that the USB interface could function as an audio conduit of the highest caliber.", the USB device he would be talking about would be the new Integrated Audio Device in the BDP-2.

Anthony
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 3 Dec 2015, 07:17 am
Is Tidal not functioning for anyone else? I have the 11-20 update. Queue count/number never updates and I can't play anything I do get in the queue. Works fine from Sonos though. I rebooted twice, no change.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tezza009 on 3 Dec 2015, 01:03 pm
Hi gritt

I am also having problems using Tidal on my Bdp-1. I have just upgraded to MM so have not used Tidal in this way before. So it might be an issue with my network or elsewhere.

In my case it is just horribly slow and generally unreliable.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Dec 2015, 03:19 pm
Is Tidal not functioning for anyone else? I have the 11-20 update. Queue count/number never updates and I can't play anything I do get in the queue. Works fine from Sonos though. I rebooted twice, no change.

Works fine on both my BDP-1's, try a factory reset or simply delete the tidal.set file from user space (a network share called "user").

Also when your posting a firmware revision, you should post the entire value
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 3 Dec 2015, 05:30 pm
Again, it is still too bad that the new IAD board won't work with the PS Audio Direct Stream Dac... :cry:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2015, 05:44 pm
Again, it is still too bad that the new IAD board won't work with the PS Audio Direct Stream Dac... :cry:

Yes we have tried everything but so far no luck - it must have something to do with the fact that the PS Audio Direct Stream upsamples all incoming files to DSD.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 3 Dec 2015, 10:44 pm
James or Chris:
 Just read the Karl Schuster TAS article on the BDP-2 with the IAD.  There is a paragraph in the "Configuration and Optimization" section of the article that confuses me a bit.  A quote from Karl "...I decided to enable only one of the digital outputs of each digital player at a time, to eliminate the possibility that simultaneous operation might compromise performance.  Fortunately MPD control programs allow the user to selectively activate the different digital output options on each player."
 What does he mean here?  Is he saying unused digital outputs can be disabled from a MPD control point app?  Is this possible and if so how?
 
      Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 3 Dec 2015, 10:48 pm
Works fine on both my BDP-1's, try a factory reset or simply delete the tidal.set file from user space (a network share called "user").

Also when your posting a firmware revision, you should post the entire value

Deleting the Tidal.set file seemed to have done the trick! Thanks.

BTW, firmware is S2.20 2015-11-20

- Garrett
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Dec 2015, 11:40 pm
James or Chris:
 Just read the Karl Schuster TAS article on the BDP-2 with the IAD.  There is a paragraph in the "Configuration and Optimization" section of the article that confuses me a bit.  A quote from Karl "...I decided to enable only one of the digital outputs of each digital player at a time, to eliminate the possibility that simultaneous operation might compromise performance.  Fortunately MPD control programs allow the user to selectively activate the different digital output options on each player."
 What does he mean here?  Is he saying unused digital outputs can be disabled from a MPD control point app?  Is this possible and if so how?
 
      Thanks, Rich

This can be performed from the audio devices page, in audio devices there will be a list of all audio output devices.  Next to each device is a button that will be labeled either disable or enable.  Clicking the button will perform that action.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Dec 2015, 11:52 pm
Hi Folks,

Absolute Sound Review on BDP-2 with new Bryston Integrated Audio Device:

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2015_12_Review_BDP-2_Absolute.pdf

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 5 Dec 2015, 01:18 am
Please ignore this post.
I had misunderstood the question.

Tried first to delete my post but didn't find how to do so ... sorry, Chris.
Fernando.

This can be performed from the audio devices page, in audio devices there will be a list of all audio output devices.  Next to each device is a button that will be labeled either disable or enable.  Clicking the button will perform that action.

Fine, Chris.
My question: disabling these «does eliminate the possibility that simultaneous operation might compromise performance.» !?
Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 5 Dec 2015, 04:17 pm
I must say thank you for the comment on turning off the extra digital outputs.
I still have the original Juli board inside my BDP-2 due to the incompatibility with the new IAD board with the PS Audio Direct Stream.

However, I was using both the usb and the AES outputs at the same time going into my PS Audio Dac. I did this so I could totter between the outputs to see if there was a difference between the AES and the usb outputs.
Well, I really could not tell any difference in the outputs in sound quality which I thought was strange.

Until... I read the recent posting from James Tanner.
I then disconnected the AES cable and presto the sound quality got fuller.

And then... I went into the Audio device settings and clicked disable the Juli board and for some reason I also had to disable the PS usb output. (Although that output still is checked). and "whala", the sound quality took another step into the awesome category.

Again, thanks for the post.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2015, 04:22 pm
I must say thank you for the comment on turning off the extra digital outputs.
I still have the original Juli board inside my BDP-2 due to the incompatibility with the new IAD board with the PS Audio Direct Stream.

However, I was using both the usb and the AES outputs at the same time going into my PS Audio Dac. I did this so I could totter between the outputs to see if there was a difference between the AES and the usb outputs.
Well, I really could not tell any difference in the outputs in sound quality which I thought was strange.

Until... I read the recent posting from James Tanner.
I then disconnected the AES cable and presto the sound quality got fuller.

And then... I went into the Audio device settings and clicked disable the Juli board and for some reason I also had to disable the PS usb output. (Although that output still is checked). and "whala", the sound quality took another step into the awesome category.

Again, thanks for the post.

Hi Ozzy

So is the PS now working OK with higher res files?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 5 Dec 2015, 04:30 pm
Yes, with the usb output and the original Juli board.
I wonder though if I again installed the IAD would I be able to use the usb output in HiRez without getting the distortion?
Or using the AES out with the PS Audio usb turned off would that eliminate the distortion?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2015, 04:43 pm
Yes, with the usb output and the original Juli board.
I wonder though if I again installed the IAD would I be able to use the usb output in HiRez without getting the distortion?
Or using the AES out with the PS Audio usb turned off would that eliminate the distortion?

Sounds like it would be worth a try

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 5 Dec 2015, 04:55 pm
So, can I buy the IAD board again?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2015, 06:05 pm
So, can I buy the IAD board again?

LOL - sure !

I will see if we can get it to work on our PS.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 5 Dec 2015, 11:57 pm
Thanks, please let me know.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 6 Dec 2015, 06:40 am
hi james, chris,

for a change, I'm asking why do I frequently get this warning in firefox 42.0.
music keeps on playing, but I must 'stop script' to get control over the BDP-2 again.

firmware upgraded to S2.20 2015-11-20 last friday december 4th.

what might I be doing wrong? ... or is this a BDP-2 normal behavior under certain circumstances I ignore?

thanks in advance.

fernando.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133015)

mmmmm ... think I'd better upload a crop of the warning prompt only ... it can hardly be read at a full screenshot size.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133016)
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2015, 11:26 am
HI

I will let Chris answer but I think Firefox does not work as well as other browsers with MM.  I use Chrome and it works well.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 6 Dec 2015, 05:08 pm
HI

I will let Chris answer but I think Firefox does not work as well as other browsers with MM.  I use Chrome and it works well.

james

thank you, james.

some info for Chris:

I may install Chrome for this ad-hoc purpose, but I've been faithful to Firefox (Netscape Communicator) since using MacOs 7 Classic.

other hardware that may be implied is a brand-new TP-Link N750 Wireless DB Gigabit TL-WDR 4300 which I've been using in wired mode only (so far), and a brand-new Cat5e _ 7,5m. Intellinet Networking Cable for the intranet set-up.

I'm planning to install a (brand new, again) WD 3TB MyCloud for NAS storage.

then, for wireless, (brand new, yes again!) a laptop Asus X555L i5 8Gb ram - which is not yet operative.

current computer which is running Firefox 42.0 is a desktop tower featuring an AsusTeK© P-67-Sabertooth motherboard, i7-2600 CPU @ 3,40GHz, 8.00GB installed RAM, 1TB WD Black internal storage, Windows 7 Ultimate (64Bit).

really I'd like to know what's happening before NAS setup ...

___ maybe, just *maybe*, my playlists are just too long ...  :duh: ___ the complete Frank Zappa or Miles Davis discography for example.

Firefox 42 has only a few add-ons (Extensions) installed, and since long ago didn't prompt this type warning, surely since Flash issues were solved.
not ever since then ... but if everything points out to Add-Ons issues, I would uninstall some of them without regrets ... :cry:

thank you,

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2015, 07:41 pm
Thanks Fernando

We are learning as we go and our thanks to the customers providing feedback.

james



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 6 Dec 2015, 08:18 pm
Thanks Fernando

We are learning as we go and our thanks to the customers providing feedback.

james

me too, james.

I believe this is a general rule of good practice - whatever your profession is.

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 6 Dec 2015, 08:59 pm
Thanks Fernando

We are learning as we go and our thanks to the customers providing feedback.

james

hey ! - learning as going ... but maybe this solves nothing.

for the first time in my life with Firefox, I clicked the 'Debug Script' button, and something which seems understandable showed up.

I don't mean that I myself understand what to do from this onwards ...  :scratch:
I don't have a clue ...  :o

uploading a full-size screenshot, and a crop of the bottom window which showed after clicking Debug Script.

fernando.

*

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133042)

*

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133043)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 8 Dec 2015, 06:29 am

___ maybe, just *maybe*, my playlists are just too long ...  :duh: ___ the complete Frank Zappa or Miles Davis discography for example.


hi james, chris,

well, yes.
I guess it's related to playlist size ( length ) - unless you prove me I'm wrong.

my Frank Zappa playlist has 1608 songs _ :icon_twisted: .

I had set 'maximum playlist length' to 15000 songs, supposing this would allow playlists of ~2000 songs to play and avoid clogging neither the MPD nor the browser, or whatever _ :nono: .

cheers,

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 8 Dec 2015, 07:13 am

well, yes.
I guess it's related to playlist size ( length ) - unless you prove me I'm wrong.


... and no, I don't agree on what I've just read in Mozilla at Facebook !

https://www.facebook.com/Firefox/photos/np.1449521818307306.1291291885/10156293523505022/?type=3

«Do you think you all could fix the ridiculous amount of "stop script" errors that come up now with Firefox? Good grief. You are going to lose this long time use to Chrome if it doesn't stop soon.»

just because I'm *not* suffering a «ridiculous amount of "stop script" errors» ... anywhere in the web, but only when I'm saying.

believe me. seriously.

cheers,

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Dec 2015, 03:20 pm
hi james, chris,

for a change, I'm asking why do I frequently get this warning in firefox 42.0.
music keeps on playing, but I must 'stop script' to get control over the BDP-2 again.

firmware upgraded to S2.20 2015-11-20 last friday december 4th.

what might I be doing wrong? ... or is this a BDP-2 normal behavior under certain circumstances I ignore?

thanks in advance.

fernando.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133015)

mmmmm ... think I'd better upload a crop of the warning prompt only ... it can hardly be read at a full screenshot size.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133016)

This message appears when the browser feels that javascript is taking to long to process some data.  In this case the playlist length is likely the culprit, you could try google chrome, its a bit more resilient.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 8 Dec 2015, 04:21 pm
This message appears when the browser feels that javascript is taking to long to process some data.  In this case the playlist length is likely the culprit, you could try google chrome, its a bit more resilient.

Thanks a lot for your explanation, Chris.

In fact, I have in mind that I had never installed Java in this w7 machine.

There is no Java control panel, nor any plug-in or add-on into this Firefox referring to Java (formerly, there was ... ).

But no doubt it's hidden somewhere, as the .js extension points out.

There are lots of .js scripts into Firefox folders ... I seem to remember, but had never related them to Java platform ! _  :oops:

Thank you, again.

Cheers,

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 8 Dec 2015, 09:41 pm
Fernando:
 I have the same issue with Chrome.  Don't exactly recall the exact message, but it asks me if I want to "Wait" or "Quit".  Of course I choose "Wait" and eventually MM responds.  Of course I have to keep clicking on "Wait" every time the warning pops up.  Wish I could figure out a way to eliminate that warning. 

 The warning pops up when I try to use MM to save my Jazz playlist which is around 2,500 tracks long.  I add  new tracks using MPAD, but cannot save the new Jazz playlist using MPAD unless I rename it.  So MM is used to save the modified Jazz playlist.  I don't notice the hang up when I'm playing cause MPAD is being used for that purpose.  MM for me is only used to save a new or modified playlist.

 By the way...That's a lotta' Zappa!

   Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 8 Dec 2015, 10:18 pm
Thanks a lot for your explanation, Chris.

In fact, I have in mind that I had never installed Java in this w7 machine.

There is no Java control panel, nor any plug-in or add-on into this Firefox referring to Java (formerly, there was ... ).

But no doubt it's hidden somewhere, as the .js extension points out.

There are lots of .js scripts into Firefox folders ... I seem to remember, but had never related them to Java platform ! _  :oops:

Thank you, again.

Cheers,

fernando.

Java and javascript are two separate things, one doesn't effect the other
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 8 Dec 2015, 10:38 pm
Java and javascript are two separate things, one doesn't effect the other

yes indeed, I concluded the same.
I will study the difference as soon as I get my NAS operative.
this WDMyCloud seems to be cheating me ... it was o.k., today at 04 a.m. ...  :?
another thing to learn about.

cheers,

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 8 Dec 2015, 11:03 pm

 By the way...That's a lotta' Zappa!

   Rich

hi Rich,

LOL ! _ in fact, I listen to Jazz almost exclusively but I make an exception with FZ and a few others.

so Chrome offers two options only !? _ at least, I can Stop or Continue the script (both do the same = nothing), and if I knew how to do it, I might debug javascript.
when Flash issues, Continue lead to crash FFox so I used to choose Stop.

me, I prefer to group my jazz music in playlists named after its main artist.
it gets troublesome when everyone at the group is the main artist, example: Hancock, Shorter, Holland, Blade 'The Forensic Music Tour 2004'.
but I named the playlist just the same as when released: HSHBØ4.
it is a rather long one, but doesn't beat FZ playlist.

cheers,

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 9 Dec 2015, 03:58 pm
Chris:
 Just read the review of the Aurender W20.  They stole my idea to use a battery for elegant shutdown on power outage!!!  Just kidding  :lol:.  Actually they run the player off one of two banks of batteries: One powering the unit.  One charging, but the power outage shutdown is also implemented.

 The problem I see with trying to use battery(ies) in the BDP would be the amount of space they might take up.  Pictures of the W20 show a large usage of space for the two banks of batteries.  Yet it may be large only cause they use the batteries to power the unit.  Don't know enough to be sure.  If this is the case then maybe batteries used for shutdown only would take up much less space???

 Have you looked into using batteries to do a shutdown on power outage?

    Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 9 Dec 2015, 06:42 pm
I'd rather have batteries in a separate component. Batteries wear out and can have other problems....
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: DarqueKnight on 10 Dec 2015, 12:16 am
Yes we have tried everything but so far no luck - it must have something to do with the fact that the PS Audio Direct Stream upsamples all incoming files to DSD.

james

My dCS Debussy DAC upsamples all incoming files that are multiples of 44.1k to DSD64 rate (2.8224 Msamples/sec), and files that are multiples of 32k to 3.072 Msamples/sec. I don't have any issues with any of my BDP-2's outputs (USB, AES, SPDIF) working with the Debussy. I have the IAD upgrade. However, DCS says they use industry standard interfaces and the Direct Stream might be using a proprietary interface.

I have a question about clocking. Can the BDP-2/IAD be modified to accept a word clock input? My configuration consists of the BDP-2's USB output to a dCS U-Clock word clock. The U-Clock re-clocks and converts the USB data stream to SPDIF. SPDIF is output to the Debussy DAC. A BNC-BNC cable connects one of the U-Clock's word clock outputs to the Debussy DAC's word clock input.

In my system, the BDP-2/IAD's AES output is the best sounding, but the BDP-2's AES output cannot be synched to the U-Clock, and if I run an AES connection to the Debussy while the U-Clock is connected to the Debussy, I get periodic dropouts due to the timing differences between the U-Clock/Debussy pairing and the incoming data stream from the BDP-2. Of course, turning off the U-Clock makes the AES connection from the BDP-2 work fine, but this does not sound as good as the clock-synched USB output.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Dec 2015, 10:49 pm
I believe the issue between the IAD and the PS Audio is the PS Audio doesn't like the square wave that the IAD generates.  Oddly enough hooking up a oscilloscope leads between ground and data on the IAD's output changes the square wave just enough that the PS Audio Direct Stream DAC can decode the data.  Unfortunately we were never able to make a hardware modification that produces the same result.  I believe our engineer that designs our own DAC's theorized that the PS Audio Direct Streams doesn't use PLL's between the input and the IC that ultimately that reads the signal.  That's were we currently stand
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 10 Dec 2015, 11:45 pm
I have been trying Tidal and was wondering if there is a way to use the Tidal app on my iPad or MacBook to control Tidal on my BDP-2. I have no problem using the Manic Moose Tidal under applications but haven't been able to figure out how to control it using the ipad app. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 11 Dec 2015, 12:05 am
Chris,
If I install the new IAD board, but disable that board in the Audio Devices menu and just use the PS Audio usb will I still get the distortion in the HiRez music?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Dec 2015, 12:40 am
Chris,
If I install the new IAD board, but disable that board in the Audio Devices menu and just use the PS Audio usb will I still get the distortion in the HiRez music?

If your using USB why get the IAD?  And no it'll be fine, even if you don't disable it
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 11 Dec 2015, 01:08 am
I just thought adding the new IAD board would upgrade my unit to the latest. And... if I ever change Dac's I would be ready.

Chris, When I had the IAD board before I did get distortion in Hi Rez files when using the usb with the Direct Stream. But, I did not disable the board in the Audio device menu.

So please just to confirm, I will not get the distortion with the IAD board if I am using the USB with my PS Audio Direct Stream Dac?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Dec 2015, 03:05 pm
The USB out shouldn't be effected by the IAD, if you had been experiencing static on the USB input of your PS Audio then I would say something else was wrong.

*Possibly had it on AES/EBU or BNC input mistakenly
*Bad USB Cable
*Something is wrong with the PS Audio DAC

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 11 Dec 2015, 04:19 pm
Chris,

Actually I had both the AES and the usb connected at the same time going from the Bryston BDP-2 to the Direct Stream Dac so I could toggle between those outputs. Do you think just having the AES connected while using the usb output could have caused the distortion?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 11 Dec 2015, 10:04 pm
Chris,

Actually I had both the AES and the usb connected at the same time going from the Bryston BDP-2 to the Direct Stream Dac so I could toggle between those outputs. Do you think just having the AES connected while using the usb output could have caused the distortion?

I should add that this occurred when I had the IAD board installed. I then tried another IAD board and still I got the distortion when playing HiRez files through the usb output into the Direct Stream.

So could the AES/XLR cable and the enabled IAD board have caused the distortion with the Direct Stream when just using the usb output? If so, it sounds like it could have been a ground interference.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 12 Dec 2015, 11:22 pm
Chris,

Actually I had both the AES and the usb connected at the same time going from the Bryston BDP-2 to the Direct Stream Dac so I could toggle between those outputs. Do you think just having the AES connected while using the usb output could have caused the distortion?

No
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Dec 2015, 03:39 pm
Hi James / Chris!

I have a question regarding BDP-2. I will be moving and so will my system. But it will have to be stored in it's box for a couple of nonths till everything is taken care of. Is this a good idea? Is there something inside the BDP-2 that could fail if it's not plugged into the mains for several months? A back-up battery or something?

Thank you!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2015, 04:18 pm
Hi James / Chris!

I have a question regarding BDP-2. I will be moving and so will my system. But it will have to be stored in it's box for a couple of nonths till everything is taken care of. Is this a good idea? Is there something inside the BDP-2 that could fail if it's not plugged into the mains for several months? A back-up battery or something?

Thank you!
Antun

Hi Antun

I believe there is an issue if stored for long periods of time with no power (battery not being charged) but Chris will know better.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 13 Dec 2015, 05:08 pm
Hi Antun

I believe there is an issue if stored for long periods of time with no power (battery not being charged) but Chris will know better.

james

Thanks James!

Okay, I hope Chris will have a definitive answer for me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Dec 2015, 11:24 pm
Hi James / Chris!

I have a question regarding BDP-2. I will be moving and so will my system. But it will have to be stored in it's box for a couple of nonths till everything is taken care of. Is this a good idea? Is there something inside the BDP-2 that could fail if it's not plugged into the mains for several months? A back-up battery or something?

Thank you!
Antun

The boot order might be out of order, but it can be fixed easily enough.  Simply leave any USB drives unplugged when you plug everything back in and power it back on.  Shut it off after a succeful boot and plug your drives back in.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 15 Jan 2016, 03:07 am
Hi Chris,

I just purchased a bdp-2 from an authorized dealer. It was a demo unit. I plugged it in and booted up, after initializing for a few minutes it indicted Error 09.  I noticed that during boot my bda-1 dac which is connected to the bdp-2 locked on the spdif input until the error message came up on bdp-2.  I read on the manual that if this occurs we should open the top cover and make sure that the bdp-2 serial cable is not loose.  I did exactly that and made sure both ends are connected,  tried again. I am still getting error 09, the 3 digits next to the firmware on the display says 188.  This is disappointing. Can you please help me out??Thank you..
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Mag on 15 Jan 2016, 03:44 am
Hi, my experience with error 09 when using a flash drive it's best to let the unit initialize first before plugging in flash. Not all flash drives cause 09 to happen some do. With an internal drive I would try doing the same thing then connect the drive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 15 Jan 2016, 04:09 am
Hi Mag, I have no drives connected to the bdp-2 except its own CompactFlash drive that comes with it.
thx..
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jan 2016, 02:29 pm
Hi tie_breaker,

The symptoms you are describing sound like a loose serial cable on the inside of the unit.  This cable goes from the system board (near the rear of the unit) to the front panel board (mounted to the front of the unit).  There is a picture of the cable in the BDP manual.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 15 Jan 2016, 03:10 pm
This happens a lot with my BDP-2. Usually after I have updated music onto my drive from another source.
My fix is this;
Turn on the BDP-2 first let it settle in, I think I wait until mfd shows on the BDP-2.
Then plug in your hardrive or flash drives let it read the drive takes a few minutes.
Then I turn on my PS Audio Dac.
Sometimes, I will have to go into "device" settings and make sure the usb drive for the PS Dac turns from red to regular and is disabled.
Works every time.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 Jan 2016, 07:42 am
Hi Chris,

I just purchased a bdp-2 from an authorized dealer. It was a demo unit. I plugged it in and booted up, after initializing for a few minutes it indicted Error 09.  I noticed that during boot my bda-1 dac which is connected to the bdp-2 locked on the spdif input until the error message came up on bdp-2.  I read on the manual that if this occurs we should open the top cover and make sure that the bdp-2 serial cable is not loose.  I did exactly that and made sure both ends are connected,  tried again. I am still getting error 09, the 3 digits next to the firmware on the display says 188.  This is disappointing. Can you please help me out??Thank you..

Hi!

I had the same problem with my BDP-1. One particular flash drive would always cause the mentioned Error 09 to appear on the display. Other flash drives worked fine. However, plugging in this drive into the BDP-1 while it was already powered on caused no problems and the player could play the files on it normally.

Still, this same drive causes no problems with my BDP-2.

I followed Chris' advice and reformatted the drive to avoide any chance of data corruption and drive defragmenting but it didn't work.

The bottom line is, it's impossible to tell why some flash drives work and while others don't. The reason must lie within the hardware itself and considering Bryston outsources the mother-bpard, CPU and peripherals, they too can't offer an explanation. Computers are a haze of complexity. But that shouldn't be an excuse when these kind of products are in question as they cost a lot more than ordinary computers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 18 Jan 2016, 02:48 am
BDP-2     S2.22     PNY 12GB thumbdrive      ( other drives are SSD )

Guys:
 Tried the above thumbdrive because the SSD drives were starting to get a bit too full.  Put a couple albums on the thumy and after an Update all was well.  Then one night I added another album to the thumbdrive from Windows Explorer and hit the sack being so late ( don't recall if I did an Update before knocking off ).

 The next morning I opened MPAD and found there was no library at all.  Not on MM either.  Figured there was a power glitch over night so I powered down the BDP, but it powered down normally indicating no power outage. 

 Powered the BDP back up and executed an Update which took a month of sundays.  Figured it was hung, so I powered down again.  After which I yanked the thumbdrive and powered back up.  An update was again slower than normal, but I let it go while having breakfast. 

 The Update did finish, but stopped in the middle of the library.  Powered down / up again.  Then went to the computer room and put the three albums that were on the thumy onto the internal SSD.  After another Update, which was normal this time, ( 30 or so seconds ), all was well.   :scratch:

 My question is:
 Should I bother with thumbdrives at all?  I think NOT!

   Thanks, Rich 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blik9 on 7 Feb 2016, 09:31 am
Yes I have, it makes no difference.

Did you resolve the 05-error problem? I have also experinced this with two different BDP-2 players. The vendor says its due to high AC in my house, but the values are well within the normal AC for Norway where I live.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 7 Feb 2016, 10:48 pm
Did you resolve the 05-error problem? I have also experinced this with two different BDP-2 players. The vendor says its due to high AC in my house, but the values are well within the normal AC for Norway where I live.

It only needs to spike momentarily for it to trip the safety.  A multimeter just gives you an average over a number of samples.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wim J on 8 Feb 2016, 08:17 pm
Any news on why Roonlabs RAAT is removed from the latest beta release 2.24? Will it only stay availablein stable release 2.22 and up. Or will it be discontinued?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Feb 2016, 08:26 pm
Any news on why Roonlabs RAAT is removed from the latest beta release 2.24? Will it only stay availablein stable release 2.22 and up. Or will it be discontinued?

We are still talking with them but no final decision yet.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wim J on 8 Feb 2016, 08:33 pm
We are still talking with them but no final decision yet.

james
:thumb: keep talking   :D  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vonnie123 on 8 Feb 2016, 09:10 pm
BDP-2     S2.22     PNY 12GB thumbdrive      ( other drives are SSD )

Guys:
 Tried the above thumbdrive because the SSD drives were starting to get a bit too full.  Put a couple albums on the thumy and after an Update all was well.  Then one night I added another album to the thumbdrive from Windows Explorer and hit the sack being so late ( don't recall if I did an Update before knocking off ).

 The next morning I opened MPAD and found there was no library at all.  Not on MM either.  Figured there was a power glitch over night so I powered down the BDP, but it powered down normally indicating no power outage. 

 Powered the BDP back up and executed an Update which took a month of sundays.  Figured it was hung, so I powered down again.  After which I yanked the thumbdrive and powered back up.  An update was again slower than normal, but I let it go while having breakfast. 

 The Update did finish, but stopped in the middle of the library.  Powered down / up again.  Then went to the computer room and put the three albums that were on the thumy onto the internal SSD.  After another Update, which was normal this time, ( 30 or so seconds ), all was well.   :scratch:

 My question is:
 Should I bother with thumbdrives at all?  I think NOT!

   Thanks, Rich

Thumb drives are handy if you want to transport your music to a friends or elsewhere.  HDD is super cheap storage now....even SSD is reasonably priced.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 9 Feb 2016, 03:55 am

Can Bdp-2 read cue files? I have many albums ripped into single files accompanied by cue sheets.  Bdp-2 interface seems to show the whole album as one song if it is ripped as one file.  Thx...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 9 Feb 2016, 03:03 pm
Can Bdp-2 read cue files? I have many albums ripped into single files accompanied by cue sheets.  Bdp-2 interface seems to show the whole album as one song if it is ripped as one file.  Thx...
I have the same question. From experience I'd say it can not. Then, could it be made to read .cue files so as to show different songs instead of only one?
Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 9 Feb 2016, 04:53 pm
Thumb drives are handy if you want to transport your music to a friends or elsewhere.  HDD is super cheap storage now....even SSD is reasonably priced.

And, thumb drives use less power, which is handy for BDP-1 owners.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ssnow on 13 Feb 2016, 03:24 am
I am having about a 25% error rate with the tagging on the MPaD app while ripping CDs using the BOT-1. Although some of them are amusing in a bizarre kind of way, it is very frustrating to have a library of over 300 CD's and not really know what 1/4 of them really are. I was initially planning to rip over 1,000 CD's, but not with this error rate. I do not have the skills to manually go in and fix all these errors if there is even a way to do that. Is there a more reliable app or program that can be used with the BDP 2 and an iPad ? It was nice to have the free app, but this is virtually useless to me with an error rate this high
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2016, 10:37 am
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 13 Feb 2016, 03:22 pm
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/

james

could we have a downloadable .pdf?

thank you.

fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Feb 2016, 10:54 pm
I have an external hardrive plugged into my BDP-2. I just replaced a failed hardrive. Luckily, I had it backed up.
Does the BDP-2 go into sleep mode?
I ask this because the hardrive still flashes after the Bryston screen goes blank.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Feb 2016, 11:03 pm
I have an external hardrive plugged into my BDP-2. I just replaced a failed hardrive. Luckily, I had it backed up.
Does the BDP-2 go into sleep mode?
I ask this because the hardrive still flashes after the Bryston screen goes blank.

The display turning off is simply a "screensaver" to prevent the display from prematurely dimming over time.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Feb 2016, 11:11 pm
Chris,
Thanks so I would need to turn off the BDP-2 in order to turn off the hardrive?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Feb 2016, 11:33 pm
Chris,
Thanks so I would need to turn off the BDP-2 in order to turn off the hardrive?

If it's powered off the USB cable that would do it, I'm a bit surprised though that it doesn't spin down on its own.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 21 Feb 2016, 11:44 pm
No the hardrive has its own power supply.
I'm not sure if it does spin down. The unit is not hot, but it still flashes.
Turing the BDP-2 off at night means it will take 15-30 minutes before I am able to access my music the next day.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 22 Feb 2016, 02:51 am
15-30 minutes?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 22 Feb 2016, 02:53 am
yes, it seems to take about that.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Feb 2016, 05:42 am
yes, it seems to take about that.

It may check for changes upon startup (this can be turned off), but your music should be playable immediately after the mpd ready message appears.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 22 Feb 2016, 07:43 pm
Well, the hardrive shows up fairly quickly but it takes about 15 minutes for all of my folders  to be available.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 22 Feb 2016, 10:21 pm
Although not quite the same issue as you since as I use a NAS I've noticed after updating to the latest firmware it's taking considerably longer for all my folders to be picked up and it also takes a lot longer before the player will allow me to start playing music, even for the folders/files that are available quickly.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 23 Feb 2016, 02:06 am
If your using a NAS you should turn off the update database on startup, found under mpd settings.  You can always place the unit in service mode and email us the service id so we can see why your u it is always updating upon startup
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Feb 2016, 12:05 pm
If your using a NAS you should turn off the update database on startup, found under mpd settings.  You can always place the unit in service mode and email us the service id so we can see why your u it is always updating upon startup

Thanks Chris, wouldn't this feature need to be on though to capture any new files added on the NAS? I frequently add new albums lately. If not I'll definitely set that to off and see how the start-up performance changes before having you connect and investigate.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 23 Feb 2016, 02:20 pm
There's a button in the upper right hand corner that does the same thing, just wait until the network share is mounted before using it.  Also if you go into NAS setup there are is a button that allows you to update an individual network share.  Finally there is an option found in media player that allows you to update an individual folder on the network share.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 23 Feb 2016, 11:52 pm
There's a button in the upper right hand corner ... (snipped).  Also if you go into NAS setup there are is a button ... (snipped).  Finally there is an option found in media player ... (snipped).

Very nice.

I assumed that this function had already been thoroughly foreseen, but I failed to understand how.
Not that I cared too much about it.

But I still get lost  :scratch:
Some screenshots may be helpful for me, and may be for someone else.

Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Feb 2016, 12:16 am
There are screenshots and sections in the manic moose manual

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 24 Feb 2016, 01:16 am
There are screenshots and sections in the manic moose manual
Thank you, Chris.
I printed it on paper as well.
I'll try to work it over again.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ishmael010 on 26 Feb 2016, 05:34 pm
could we have a downloadable .pdf?

thank you.

fernando.
James-
How do you distinguish between the original legacy BDP-2 models that had the third-party sound card & SPDIF interface, and the BDP-2s that have been upgraded to the new IAD?

Thanks in advance!

Dane
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Feb 2016, 05:48 pm
HI

If you click on Audio Devices in Manic Moose interface it will show what sound card it being used.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 26 Feb 2016, 06:57 pm
HI

If you click on Audio Devices in Manic Moose interface it will show what sound card it being used.

james


...sorry, James but i have to ask you again: what was the serial number that started with the new soundcard?

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 27 Feb 2016, 03:03 pm
From my understanding, all BDP-2 machines manufactured from February 2015 onward come with preinstalled BUC board. Bryston held on delivery till May 2015 before the new BUC boards were done before they delivered the machines to the distributors. James told me this was inconvenient for Bryston for there was no profit to be made during this period but they wanted their customers to have the latest hardware.

I know this because I bought my BDP-2 in May and was surprised to discover that machine was manufactured in February. I found it odd because the other equipment I have was manufactured literally weeks before I had it in my home. I contacted James and the distributor and both of them told me the same thing.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2016, 03:29 pm
From my understanding, all BDP-2 machines manufactured from February 2015 onward come with preinstalled BUC board. Bryston held on delivery till May 2015 before the new BUC boards were done before they delivered the machines to the distributors. James told me this was inconvenient for Bryston for there was no profit to be made during this period but they wanted their customers to have the latest hardware.

I know this because I bought my BDP-2 in May and was surprised to discover that machine was manufactured in February. I found it odd because the other equipment I have was manufactured literally weeks before I had it in my home. I contacted James and the distributor and both of them told me the same thing.

Cheers!
Antun

Thanks Antun

I am trying to get an exact serial number but as you say we were so far behind it was a little scattered there for a few weeks.  Production is looking into it for me.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BSMSPEMBA on 27 Feb 2016, 05:26 pm
...sorry, James but i have to ask you again: what was the serial number that started with the new soundcard?

Knowing the serial number when they transitioned to the BUC card is a bit irrelevant, because the units with the Juli@ card are easily upgraded.  There are a number of owners that have already installed the BUC card.  Therefore, you have to follow Jame's original advice and check Audio Devices on the web interface.  If you are considering buying a preowned unit, get the seller to send you a screenshot.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 27 Feb 2016, 08:34 pm
I am getting an message on my Samsung tablet showing the Bryston DB crashed. What does that mean?
Also, on the media player screen it is showing -1-1-1 in a pyramid configuration. What does that mean?
Needless to say I cant play anything.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Feb 2016, 08:52 pm
I am getting an message on my Samsung tablet showing the Bryston DB crashed. What does that mean?
Also, on the media player screen it is showing -1-1-1 in a pyramid configuration. What does that mean?
Needless to say I cant play anything.

Make sure the IP address has not changed.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 28 Feb 2016, 12:14 am
James, Thanks for the reply, but I think my BDP-2 is fried. Now it won't recognize any usb attached. The song list remains at 0.
I have turned it off and rebooted it several times. I have tried to remount, verify, update etc., etc. Still nothing.
I have noticed that before this final event I had been having problems with it. But usually with turning it off or unplugging it eventually it would operate.
Heck, I can't even put it into service mode!
Please advise..
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Feb 2016, 12:31 am
James, Thanks for the reply, but I think my BDP-2 is fried. Now it won't recognize any usb attached. The song list remains at 0.
I have turned it off and rebooted it several times. I have tried to remount, verify, update etc., etc. Still nothing.
I have noticed that before this final event I had been having problems with it. But usually with turning it off or unplugging it eventually it would operate.
Heck, I can't even put it into service mode!
Please advise..

We will have to get it in for repair.  Please contact the dealer.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 28 Feb 2016, 12:55 am
I bought it direct from you guys.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Feb 2016, 01:00 am
I bought it direct from you guys.

Hi

OK please contact Mike and we will arrange to have a look.

Mpickett@bryston.com

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ozzy on 28 Feb 2016, 01:25 am
Email just sent. Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Feb 2016, 06:37 pm

...sorry, James but i have to ask you again: what was the serial number that started with the new soundcard?

al.

SN 650 and up has the new Bryston card.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alexone on 29 Feb 2016, 08:35 pm

 :thumb:thanks, James.

al.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 29 Feb 2016, 11:02 pm
SN 650 and up has the new Bryston card.

james

Thank you.

Audio Devices in Manic Moose interface it will no longer show what sound card it being used, since later updates.
Unless I got lost in the interface, which wouldn't surprise me.

I feel lucky: mine is 000754, and this happened at random.

Besides, the best quality Torx t10 I can buy here, fit rather loose.
Then, I decided not to open the unit.

Nonetheless, I do feel curious - but can hold myself.

Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ishmael010 on 4 Mar 2016, 06:09 pm
SN 650 and up has the new Bryston card.

james
James-
I have a question for you:
I recently purchased a BOT-1 to work with my BDP-2, to enable me to rip CDs directly to my NAS drive through the BDP-2 unit, as well as listen to CDs through it.  Wow, what an incredible time bog!  Totally inefficient, took forever.  I have the BPT-1 plugged into my BDP-2 via the supplied USB cable, the BDP-2 plugged into my Ethernet switch-a Netgear ProSafe Gigabit switch, right side-by-side my NAS drive, a WD 4 Tb EX2 NAS.  This arrangement works fabulously for playing music from the NAS through the BDP, very fast, but man, what a joke for ripping CDs, which was the primary reason I purchased the BOT-1.  Any suggestions on optimizing this combination to make it a useable setup?  As far as listening to CDs, the BOT-1 is replacing my PS Audio PWT PerfectWave Transport, I hope this wasn't a mis-step on my part.
Thanks in advance!

Dane
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Mar 2016, 06:21 pm
James-
I have a question for you:
I recently purchased a BOT-1 to work with my BDP-2, to enable me to rip CDs directly to my NAS drive through the BDP-2 unit, as well as listen to CDs through it.  Wow, what an incredible time bog!  Totally inefficient, took forever.  I have the BPT-1 plugged into my BDP-2 via the supplied USB cable, the BDP-2 plugged into my Ethernet switch-a Netgear ProSafe Gigabit switch, right side-by-side my NAS drive, a WD 4 Tb EX2 NAS.  This arrangement works fabulously for playing music from the NAS through the BDP, very fast, but man, what a joke for ripping CDs, which was the primary reason I purchased the BOT-1.  Any suggestions on optimizing this combination to make it a useable setup?  As far as listening to CDs, the BOT-1 is replacing my PS Audio PWT PerfectWave Transport, I hope this wasn't a mis-step on my part.
Thanks in advance!

Dane

Hi Dane

It takes about 8 minutes with my BOT and BDP-2 player to rip the average CD.  How long is it taking in your setup?

As for listening that should be immediate.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 4 Mar 2016, 07:53 pm
I'll chime in. It takes an average of 10 to 15 minutes to BOT-rip a CD to my external SSD. Some longer! Very slow. On the other hand, the files sound significantly better than any other ripping technique I have used, including internal and external pc-based CD/DVD drives, with various ripping software including dBPoweramp.

So I will take the slowness, for the audio benefits. After backing these files up x 2, I don't think I will hold on to my silver discs. Given the time it will take to rip my whole collection, I doubt I will be doing it ever again. Too many discs, too little time...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ishmael010 on 4 Mar 2016, 08:05 pm
James-
The playback when using the BOT-1 as a CD transport through the BDP-2 to my DAC is just fine.  As soon as the "Audio CD Ready" message shows up on the BDP, the CD is ready to play.  BOT-1 for ripping was taking anywhere from 12-15 minutes to an hour, and the last one had 24 songs on it, I started it at 930pm, and this morning the BDP display read (I believe) "transcoding track 24"-I have the music being saved as FLAC, and the CD had not yet ejected.  Not really acceptable performance.  Hence my question as to whether I need to somehow re-jigger my configuration if I want to get anything accomplished ripping with the BOT-1.

Dane
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 5 Mar 2016, 06:07 am
Is the disc good? If the disc has scratches/errors on it, the time delay could be the drive trying to read through the problem.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ishmael010 on 5 Mar 2016, 06:51 pm
The disc was perfect, no scratches or any apparent imperfections.  The same thing has happened now on several different discs, with no common link other than that the BOT takes hours and never completely resolves the RIP of the CD.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 6 Mar 2016, 08:39 am
This probably seems unlikely, but try swapping the USB cable. If the discs are good and you eliminate the data cable, that just leaves the lens/drive (if the problem is the BOT).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 6 Mar 2016, 03:35 pm
James-
The playback when using the BOT-1 as a CD transport through the BDP-2 to my DAC is just fine.  As soon as the "Audio CD Ready" message shows up on the BDP, the CD is ready to play.  BOT-1 for ripping was taking anywhere from 12-15 minutes to an hour, and the last one had 24 songs on it, I started it at 930pm, and this morning the BDP display read (I believe) "transcoding track 24"-I have the music being saved as FLAC, and the CD had not yet ejected.  Not really acceptable performance.  Hence my question as to whether I need to somehow re-jigger my configuration if I want to get anything accomplished ripping with the BOT-1.

Dane

Email Chris. I had a similar problem.....Chris had me put it in the service mode and set up my BDP-2 and BOT. Now everything works fine.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ishmael010 on 7 Mar 2016, 07:17 pm
Email Chris. I had a similar problem.....Chris had me put it in the service mode and set up my BDP-2 and BOT. Now everything works fine.
BJ-
What is Chris' email address, I haven't spoken with him. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ishmael010 on 7 Mar 2016, 07:21 pm
The list of odd behavior gets larger.  Some CDs won't rip, others will only rip a portion of the tracks, yet others read all, but only convert partially to FLAC or not at all.  Another anomaly, sometimes the cd reads and converts, and tells me the backup is complete, but will not eject the CD.  I'm totally puzzled.

Dane
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 8 Mar 2016, 02:57 am
BJ-
What is Chris' email address, I haven't spoken with him.

Dane, I understand BJ (bjski) points to the address at the envelope icon. I have one of these, but  you don't.
You can email Chris through this web interface.
edited: There are both an email and a PM icon, one by side.

Besides, he appears more often at Manic Moose (S2) - BDPs Third  Major Firmware Release, than here.

Good luck, and keep us informed please.
I myself planned to buy a BOT-1, next year or during 2018, not sure ... I still keep my Meridian 508-24 - nonsense selling it where I live.
But planned the same you're trying.

Your (bad) experience is most valuable, for most of us.
I believe it is such for Bryston as well ...  :roll:

Go ahead, please. Remember to post feedback.

Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 8 Mar 2016, 06:13 am
Starting to sound IIke a problem with the BOT. may need a new drive
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 9 Mar 2016, 02:33 pm
Or a good cleaning.  A small bit of dust in the wrong location can create remarkable havoc with an optical drive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: AudioEmp on 9 Mar 2016, 07:17 pm
Hi Guys!
Had pretty much same issue when setting up a BOT several months ago.
Just a hiccup in the OS of the BDP.

Contact Chris Rice, have him log in and make sure all is good then you may need to do a system reset.

Solved my issue  :D
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 12 Mar 2016, 02:36 pm
My BDP-2 with 1TB SSD will arrive next week, and my BDA-3 arrives a few weeks after that.  I have a couple of TB's of AIFF files ripped by iTunes from my CD collection.  Its primarily classical, some jazz, some rock/pop.  I've been playing back via PureMusic, which allows me to keep my extensive iTunes Playlists.  I plan to attach via USB or eSATA an external HD that contains a copy of my entire iTunes music folder with the above files.  HERE'S the question - Should I reorganize the various current folders in iTunes Media/Music on my MacMini in some way to make it more easily recognizable and manipulable into "playlists" when they becomes a source for the BDP-2? (And is there any way to import iTunes playlists so they become the playlist in Bryston's MM or MAX?).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Mar 2016, 04:53 pm
My BDP-2 with 1TB SSD will arrive next week, and my BDA-3 arrives a few weeks after that.  I have a couple of TB's of AIFF files ripped by iTunes from my CD collection.  Its primarily classical, some jazz, some rock/pop.  I've been playing back via PureMusic, which allows me to keep my extensive iTunes Playlists.  I plan to attach via USB or eSATA an external HD that contains a copy of my entire iTunes music folder with the above files.  HERE'S the question - Should I reorganize the various current folders in iTunes Media/Music on my MacMini in some way to make it more easily recognizable and manipulable into "playlists" when they becomes a source for the BDP-2? (And is there any way to import iTunes playlists so they become the playlist in Bryston's MM or MAX?).

Hi David

That's a Chris Rice question for sure - will let him answer.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dave Jameson on 12 Mar 2016, 05:28 pm
My BDP-2 with 1TB SSD will arrive next week, and my BDA-3 arrives a few weeks after that.  I have a couple of TB's of AIFF files ripped by iTunes from my CD collection.  Its primarily classical, some jazz, some rock/pop.  I've been playing back via PureMusic, which allows me to keep my extensive iTunes Playlists.  I plan to attach via USB or eSATA an external HD that contains a copy of my entire iTunes music folder with the above files.  HERE'S the question - Should I reorganize the various current folders in iTunes Media/Music on my MacMini in some way to make it more easily recognizable and manipulable into "playlists" when they becomes a source for the BDP-2? (And is there any way to import iTunes playlists so they become the playlist in Bryston's MM or MAX?).

Hi David,

I'll leave the importing of iTunes Playlists to Chris, as I don't know how to do it. But as for the rest of your iTunes library:

The BDP reads your files based on folder heirarchy. So if you go to Finder and take a look at how your iTunes Music folders are organized, that's how the BDP will see and play them. If it all looks intuitive and organized the way you want it, yeah simply copy the entire Music folder over to another hard drive. But if your music Classical was ripped via iTunes then you may have issue with how or if iTunes set the albums as "compilations" and who iTunes listed as the Album Artist vs performing artist. This can get pretty messy. You can edit the ID tags for each album by right clicking the album and choosing "Get Info".

What I did, and this took a while, is generated folders based on Composer followed by Piece/Album, then Performing Artist. This makes it pretty easy to use the BDP's Manic Moose interface.

That said, if all your files are tagged as you like, you can always use the MPAD interface with you iPad. MPAD supports album artwork via AIFF files and is pretty intuitive, though it is no longer supported by the developer. But currently works fine.

I hope that helps in some way!
DJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 12 Mar 2016, 06:05 pm
Thanks DJ.  If you do classical, you know classical albums are difficult, because one album may contain numerous pieces by various composers, and the artists on the same album can be an orchestra alone, or an orchestra with soloists.  Still not quite sure what to do.  The reason I need to keep things iTunes friendly is to sync up my iPhone and iPad with music.  I was hoping to actually do an NAS drive with the iTunes music folder that could be read by both the BDP-2 and iTunes, so I would not actually have to copy the ripped file of a new cd to two places (iTunes and Bryston HD).  Additionally, I work out of my home office - what's the best way to control the BDP-2 from your Mac destop?  And of course, Roon sounds like a great possibility - anyone know how to structure files ripped into iTunes to work with Roon?  Any help is appreciate!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Mar 2016, 07:58 pm
Thanks DJ.  If you do classical, you know classical albums are difficult, because one album may contain numerous pieces by various composers, and the artists on the same album can be an orchestra alone, or an orchestra with soloists.  Still not quite sure what to do.  The reason I need to keep things iTunes friendly is to sync up my iPhone and iPad with music.  I was hoping to actually do an NAS drive with the iTunes music folder that could be read by both the BDP-2 and iTunes, so I would not actually have to copy the ripped file of a new cd to two places (iTunes and Bryston HD).  Additionally, I work out of my home office - what's the best way to control the BDP-2 from your Mac destop?  And of course, Roon sounds like a great possibility - anyone know how to structure files ripped into iTunes to work with Roon?  Any help is appreciate!

For Music:

To copy your iTunes library to your BDP, here is what *I* have done... your mileage may vary. I will give you the abbreviated version and feel free to ask questions, if any of the below seems too technical.

1. Create Track #1 / Album Smart Playlist - in iTunes, create a SmartPlaylist that selects the first track from each album, automatically.

2. Go to DougScripts.com and download the script: Save Album Art JPEG. Then, go into the playlist you created above, select all and run the script. This will place a folder.jpg file into each album folder.

3. I use a tool called GoodSync to copy from /Volumes/Macintosh HD/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music —> MUSIC-1TB/Music (use the options to ignore bdp_front_*.jpg, bdp_front_*.png, System, Hidden files). This step assumes you are using a USB-attached hard drive for your BDP music, called MUSIC-1TB, which I recommend (name it whatever you want).

4. Search/Find all M4V (music videos) and delete (MUSIC-1TB/Music), using the Finder.

5. Run an app called: BlueHarvest to clear Apple file system data form your FAT32 or exFAT USB HDD for your BDP-1 (MUSIC-1TB);

6. Disconnect your USB HDD and connect it to your BDP-1. Reboot the BDP-1, etc... and let the BDP discover your music.

6. Search/Find all folder.jpg files and delete them using the Mac Finder (/Volumes/Macintosh HD/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music). You want to do this, otherwise when you rename or remove albums from iTunes, it will leave an empty folder.

*Note: you don't need to do ANYTHING to prepare your music for the BDP; leave it as you have it organized, today. You may have some issues with Manic Moose parsing the meta data and creating artwork thumbnails, but we will leave that alone for now.

For Playlists:

1. Download an app called: Playlist Export (Apple app store).

2. Use Playlist Export to export your iTunes playlists (all of them, if you like, but I skip the Smart playlists) to a folder on your Mac HDD.

3. When setting up for export, replace the leading paths for playlist entries to match your BDP. In my case, this means replacing:

/Volumes/Macintosh HD/iTunes/iTunes Media --> MUSIC-1TB

4. You will end up with a collection of *.m3u playlists that exactly match your iTunes playlist collection.

5. Activate the Samba service on your BDP (see the Services tab on the Manic Moose dashboard.

6. Sync or copy the playlists into the USER/playlists

7. Again, make sure you have BlueHarvest running and you add the USER/playlists share to it to avoid creating a lot of hidden Mac system files in the playlists folder on your BDP (these annoyingly show up when browsing playlists in MPaD).

8. Update MPD (i.e. the Update link on the upper-left corner of the Manic Moose web app.

Voila, you have iTunes in your BDP. It looks/sounds like a lot, but it goes quickly once you've gone through it. The nice part about using a syncing tool is you can update the USB HDD for your BDP without copying everything over from the beginning.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 12 Mar 2016, 10:46 pm
I will try this, Krutsch.  Thank you.  Is it possible to use a NAS drive that connects to a BPD-2 via eSATA that also serves as the iTunes Music folder for a Mac - so you only have one HD shared by both the Bryston and Mac?  Anyone want to revisit the question of whether the sound quality of a Ethernet connected NAS is same or worse than a USB connected HD?  I will be running USB out to connect to a BDA-3.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 14 Mar 2016, 02:40 pm
I will try this, Krutsch.  Thank you.  Is it possible to use a NAS drive that connects to a BPD-2 via eSATA that also serves as the iTunes Music folder for a Mac - so you only have one HD shared by both the Bryston and Mac?  Anyone want to revisit the question of whether the sound quality of a Ethernet connected NAS is same or worse than a USB connected HD?  I will be running USB out to connect to a BDA-3.

Depending on how big your collection is you may want to store your music in more then one location in the even of either hardware or software failure so that you don't have to either re-rip or download all your music again.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2016, 10:46 am
James,

I just got my BDP-2 today.  Hooked it up via usb temporarily into a CEntrace miniDAC.  WOW. 

Clarity, timbre, decay, touch, bass extension - all the usual audiophile words. 

Can’t wait for the BDA-3 to arrive.

Thanks again for a another truly great product.

David

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 16 Mar 2016, 12:45 pm
Sorry if this has been asked before: is there any problem leaving the BDP-2 or BDA-3 always on, so long as there is good ventilation?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2016, 01:02 pm
Sorry if this has been asked before: is there any problem leaving the BDP-2 or BDA-3 always on, so long as there is good ventilation?

No problem at all - they draw very little power at idle.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 16 Mar 2016, 04:09 pm
A couple more questions:
1. Can the internal HD, connected SATA, be used to playback DSD files?  Or does it have to be a USB drive for DSD?  Or is it simply that the BDP has to be connected to the BDA-3 via USB for DSD to playback, and it does not matter how the BDP-2 accesses the DSD file (internal, local, NAS)?
2. Is there any sound quality difference between a file on a USB HD or on a SATA connected Hard Drive?
3. I'm sure its staring me in the face, but can someone direct me to the instructions on how to move files onto the BDP-2 internal or local drives from my computer, or how to move files from the internal drive to a connected local drive?
Loving the sound, but the set-up takes patience.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 16 Mar 2016, 04:50 pm
David,

1. All file formats stored on the HD will be sent to the BDP-2, regardless of whether its an internal drive (SATA), or external HD with either eSATA or USB.

2. I found a very subtle sound difference in different set-ups, but ultimately felt this was related to the power supply of the HD. The best sound was from internal SATA and the worst was on an external that used a separate wall-wart power source. An external USB bus-powered SSD was better, which is my current setup.

3. The ease and speed of transferring files from my PC was the most significant factor in choosing my setup. With an internal drive, data has to be loaded from the PC via the Ethernet connection, which is very slow. Transferring data from an external to internal HD thru the BDP-2 is quicker, but still slow for these large files.

So, I ended up with an external SSD (2TB Samsung 850 EVO-Pro) which can be detached from the BDP and connected to my PC for fast file loading. Plenty of room (for now :D). The PC to external HD transfer takes full advantage of USB 3.0 speeds, and of the superior write speeds of the SSD, whereas BDP-2 drive to drive transfer is only at USB-2 speed.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 16 Mar 2016, 04:57 pm
Tympani - thank you - very helpful.  I was actually thinking that an external power supplied USB drive would be better.  Again - to help this newbie - where on my Mac can I actually see all the drives connected to the BDP-2, so I can transfer files between them?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 16 Mar 2016, 05:07 pm
Not sure on the Mac. On my PC I see the BDP-2 on my network map, and can open the drives (which are designated as shared). It's been a while, but when I had 2 external files connected, I recall I was able to drag/drop? I have been using a single drive setup for the past 2 years.

Regarding the external power supply, I think the quality of the wall-wart makes the difference, so YMMV. Some are real noisy junk!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 16 Mar 2016, 05:10 pm
Any Mac users out there with a BDP-2?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Mar 2016, 05:57 pm
Sorry if this has been asked before: is there any problem leaving the BDP-2 or BDA-3 always on, so long as there is good ventilation?

A BDP-2 will turn off its mainboard if it becomes to hot, it doesn't occur very frequently and can probably count each occurance on one hand
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Mar 2016, 05:57 pm
Any Mac users out there with a BDP-2?

same goes for mac, there is a video that can be found in the video tutorials thread
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: AudioEmp on 16 Mar 2016, 08:57 pm
Any Mac users out there with a BDP-2?

Not in front of my MAC right now but,

Go to finder
> click on "network", should display the BDP-2 as well as any other devices on the network
> double click on the BDP. If a window pops up asking for log in info, type "bryston" for both entries
> this should get you into the BDP to see the drive, wether its a USB external on an internal one.
Let us know how it goes. I'll check in later.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 16 Mar 2016, 08:59 pm
Yes - followed the directions on the video - my Mac and my BDP-2 are now linked.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjn2HSd6b8
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 16 Mar 2016, 10:30 pm
...

2. I found a very subtle sound difference in different set-ups, but ultimately felt this was related to the power supply of the HD. The best sound was from internal SATA and the worst was on an external that used a separate wall-wart power source. An external USB bus-powered SSD was better, which is my current setup.

...

Do you think that there is that much noise from a self-powered USB drive's wall-wart that you can hear it on playback?

Just curious and wondering if I should do that same (I have an external SSD that I may swap in for my USB 7200 rpm, wall-wart powered drive).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Mar 2016, 12:46 am
Do you think that there is that much noise from a self-powered USB drive's wall-wart that you can hear it on playback?

Just curious and wondering if I should do that same (I have an external SSD that I may swap in for my USB 7200 rpm, wall-wart powered drive).

Not likley
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 17 Mar 2016, 09:21 am
Do you think that there is that much noise from a self-powered USB drive's wall-wart that you can hear it on playback?

Just curious and wondering if I should do that same (I have an external SSD that I may swap in for my USB 7200 rpm, wall-wart powered drive).


Chris answered 'not likely' to the electronic noise from the walt-wart, which is most important. Most of them make an audible hissing noise also though...
Next to that,  beware for rotating noise form the drive itself. I use the WD passports, but need to hide them carefully, not to hear them during the quieter passages. 7200 rpm's might even be louder?


This is why i sometimes expect or must i say wish for Bryston to come with a headless/usb-less/frontpanel-less version of the BDP-N (etwork). No moving/blinking/noise-making parts, only power and network.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 17 Mar 2016, 11:55 am
Do you think that there is that much noise from a self-powered USB drive's wall-wart that you can hear it on playback?

Just curious and wondering if I should do that same (I have an external SSD that I may swap in for my USB 7200 rpm, wall-wart powered drive).

All I can really say is that there were subtle but reproducible differences between my various HD setups, which included internal SSD, external SSD powered by USB bus, external SSD powered by eSATA from player, and external SSD powered by wall-wart. The causes of these differences is conjecture. In all my trials, the model of the drive (and the files) remained the constant. What changed was the power supply, and in some instances the separation of power from data. I mentioned  "Noise" in the general sense (not "hiss") only as one possibility.

I do maintain though, that the BDP-2 needs to be elevated from it's stock setup (ie. better fuse and better power cord) to really appreciate the difference. Perhaps a controversial statement, but clearly my experience. Ultimately, its an acknowledgement that these components are capable of extraordinary resolution and musical satisfaction.

Similar HD observations were discussed in some detail in the supplement to Karl Schuster's recent February 2016 strong review of the BDP-2 in The Absolute Sound.



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 17 Mar 2016, 12:52 pm

Chris answered 'not likely' to the electronic noise from the walt-wart, which is most important. Most of them make an audible hissing noise also though...
Next to that,  beware for rotating noise form the drive itself. I use the WD passports, but need to hide them carefully, not to hear them during the quieter passages. 7200 rpm's might even be louder?

...

It's a 2.5" drive in a small enclosure ("G-Drive"). The Drobo RAID array on the desk next to me makes far more noise; but, yes, if I power down the Drobo, I can hear the portable drive on the table next to my desk. It's a little annoying, but I just turn up the volume on the music and it goes away  :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Mar 2016, 02:47 pm
It's a 2.5" drive in a small enclosure ("G-Drive"). The Drobo RAID array on the desk next to me makes far more noise; but, yes, if I power down the Drobo, I can hear the portable drive on the table next to my desk. It's a little annoying, but I just turn up the volume on the music and it goes away  :lol:

 :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 17 Mar 2016, 08:30 pm
Timpani:
 What brand enclosure do you use with your 2TB SSD?
 Does it use a double USB cable ( two connections at the BDP )?
     
    Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 17 Mar 2016, 09:45 pm
MoPac,

I am using an Orico 2.5" external enclosure. Plastic, but has been glitch-free and is tidy and well-built. I just disconnect it and connect to my PC for adding files.
http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-2588US3-External-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B00B0RD2RA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_147_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=41dO5Nb6TGL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1E2ZQGAZWMH505CMEY0E

My USB cable is a Wireworld Starlight USB 3.0 with USB-micro B plug. Available in 0.5 meter length.The cable design separates signal from power. I like it!
http://store.wireworldcable.com/collections/usb-audio-cables/products/starlight-7-usb-3-0-audio-cables?variant=950479723

Very pleased with the Wireworld cables. I use their upper end Platinum Starlight 7 USB for my DSD from BDP-2 to BDA-3. And a long (7 meter) HDMI Ultraviolet from my Oppo 103 to my BDA-3 for SACD-DSD.

Too many acronyms!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 18 Mar 2016, 07:11 am
It's a 2.5" drive in a small enclosure ("G-Drive"). The Drobo RAID array on the desk next to me makes far more noise; but, yes, if I power down the Drobo, I can hear the portable drive on the table next to my desk. It's a little annoying, but I just turn up the volume on the music and it goes away  :lol:

Exactly!
The main reason I took the Nas to my gym instead of auditorium . Have to row harder now to make it disappear ;-)

Happy listening,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 18 Mar 2016, 03:03 pm
MoPac,

I am using an Orico 2.5" external enclosure. Plastic, but has been glitch-free and is tidy and well-built. I just disconnect it and connect to my PC for adding files.
http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-2588US3-External-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B00B0RD2RA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_147_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=41dO5Nb6TGL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1E2ZQGAZWMH505CMEY0E

My USB cable is a Wireworld Starlight USB 3.0 with USB-micro B plug. Available in 0.5 meter length.The cable design separates signal from power. I like it!
http://store.wireworldcable.com/collections/usb-audio-cables/products/starlight-7-usb-3-0-audio-cables?variant=950479723

Very pleased with the Wireworld cables. I use their upper end Platinum Starlight 7 USB for my DSD from BDP-2 to BDA-3. And a long (7 meter) HDMI Ultraviolet from my Oppo 103 to my BDA-3 for SACD-DSD.

Too many acronyms!

That's a nice looking enclosure - small, tool free. Have you measured the controller throughput? I am curious enough to order one of these and see how it does (for carrying my music library in my laptop bag).

For my portable, external drives (Mac Mini and BDP-1), I use these:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003XEZ33Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00

...larger, more expensive than your example, but it can handle thicker 2.5" drives, dissipates heat well, and has a wall-wart for lower power USB ports (I have an eSATA/USB 3.0 model and a FW800/USB 3.0 model).

With a Samsung EVO 1TB SSD, I can sustain 350-380 MB/s reads/writes - it's significantly faster than the embedded SSD in my MacBook Retina and is the fastest single drive USB 3.0 controller I've ever measured (Blackmagic Disc Speed Test). I've measured the same drive in other enclosures and this one is about 40-50% faster than the others I have.

Something to consider when copying TB-sized libraries.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 18 Mar 2016, 03:24 pm
Funny. I also have the MiniPro that you use. It is very solid, plus has great flexibility. It allowed me to compare the sound using eSATA (external), USB-bus powered, and USB wall wart powered, and then compare those external settings to an internal HD. Through that process, I concluded that the internal SATA sounded best, but as I noted above, I ended up with external USB-bus powered for the good sound plus convenience of file transfer. I did not like the MiniPro with wall wart.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 24 Mar 2016, 12:24 pm
This has a regular 75 ohm rca coax out correct?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 24 Mar 2016, 02:54 pm
bnc, you'll need need an adapter to use a rca style cable
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dave Jameson on 24 Mar 2016, 03:40 pm
Funny. I also have the MiniPro that you use. It is very solid, plus has great flexibility. It allowed me to compare the sound using eSATA (external), USB-bus powered, and USB wall wart powered, and then compare those external settings to an internal HD. Through that process, I concluded that the internal SATA sounded best, but as I noted above, I ended up with external USB-bus powered for the good sound plus convenience of file transfer. I did not like the MiniPro with wall wart.

Hi Tympani,

Is your BDP2 hooked up to your home network? If so, you can just copy files over network directly into a BDP2's internal SATA drive, without having to disconnect anything. Doesn't get much more convenient than that! :) Best sound and uber convenient.

On a side note, I'd be interested to know if anyone has compared streaming files from a NAS as opposed to an internal/external hard drive...but using high quality shielded Cat6 or Cat7 cables. Network connections seem to be the weakest link in a streaming environment but there are improvements being made all the time.

Cheers,
DJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 24 Mar 2016, 04:13 pm
I have my library (all CD rips) on my home server as well as on an internal SSD in my BDP-2. I personally cant hear a difference with any consistency. My network is all hard-wired with CAT6 cable and jacks. I get excellent throughput and no packet loss. The server is a typical PC with an SSD boot drive and 4 Western Digital Red HDDs (no mirroring or RAIDs). Backups are off-site via Cloudberry and Amazon Glacier, specifically set up to do all transfers at time when I'm not listening to music.

I have no idea if any of that affects audio quality.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 25 Mar 2016, 02:09 pm
Hi Tympani,

Is your BDP2 hooked up to your home network? If so, you can just copy files over network directly into a BDP2's internal SATA drive, without having to disconnect anything. Doesn't get much more convenient than that! :) Best sound and uber convenient.

On a side note, I'd be interested to know if anyone has compared streaming files from a NAS as opposed to an internal/external hard drive...but using high quality shielded Cat6 or Cat7 cables. Network connections seem to be the weakest link in a streaming environment but there are improvements being made all the time.

Cheers,
DJ

Dave, yes files can be copied over the network, but the transfer speed is very slow compared to plugging the SSD directly to my PC and transferring at USB 3.0 speed, taking full advantage of the SSD's superior write speed. Also easier to accomplish other functions like file renaming, folder organization, deleting, etc. For all these reasons, I have switched back to the external HD configuration. The BDP-2 remains connected to the network for control (using mPAD mostly for playing, and MAX for controlling my BOT-1 ripping functions)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 25 Mar 2016, 02:47 pm
Hi DJ,


Copying: BDP1 over the network can be much slower than connecting the usb drives directly to your source Computer. Depending on the size and amount of the files (a lot of smaller files are copied much slower than a few bigger ones) it can be advantageous to disconnect from the BDP and hookup directly for copying. Per alum, i would say never mind the hassle and have patience for a few seconds more.


Playing/streaming form a NAS: No issues whatsoever, not sound difference either. I even tend to prefer the NAS setup, because of the limitless diskspace. Even more, a Nas doesn't suffer the USB limits the BDP's have per design. NAS can be setup in several shares on the BDP, creating virtual Disks in MM browser.


My setup is fully cabled cat6/7, and note, comprised of several switches, adding to the main router ports (which of course is a switch in itself), and an Apple Time Machine, acting as a switch and connected to my NAS. Still, playing/streaming beautifully.


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Tympani,

Is your BDP2 hooked up to your home network? If so, you can just copy files over network directly into a BDP2's internal SATA drive, without having to disconnect anything. Doesn't get much more convenient than that! :) Best sound and uber convenient.

On a side note, I'd be interested to know if anyone has compared streaming files from a NAS as opposed to an internal/external hard drive...but using high quality shielded Cat6 or Cat7 cables. Network connections seem to be the weakest link in a streaming environment but there are improvements being made all the time.

Cheers,
DJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ctrlm on 29 Mar 2016, 02:44 pm
bnc, you'll need need an adapter to use a rca style cable

Hi

I haven't read through the whole thread. Being a BNC user.....I noticed that the BNC output connector in the photo of the rear on the Bryston site looks like 50 ohm (thicker dialectic than 75 ohm). Is that a conscious decision by Bryston?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 7 Apr 2016, 08:34 pm
Anyone have issues with incorrect album art displaying when more than one artist has the same album title? If so how did you remedy it?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 7 Apr 2016, 08:37 pm
Anyone have issues with incorrect album art displaying when more than one artist has the same album title? If so how did you remedy it?

Ah, yeah... If you look at the Manic Moose thread, it's reported in there. What I did: renamed my albums to prefix with the Artist name. For example, I had a collection of albums all called "Greatest Hits", which showed up in the Default view as a single album with NxM tracks.

So, I renamed "Greatest Hits" as "ZZ Top: Greatest Hits".

Another alternative is to use another app to manage the player, such as MPaD or Soundirok that doesn't have these issues.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 7 Apr 2016, 08:42 pm
Thanks, that sucks that the Bryston app can't handle this situation properly. I'll have to rename I guess.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 11 Apr 2016, 04:27 pm
I had no issues previously in accessing my BDP-2 hard drives (internal and attached) over CAT6 from my Mac Mini via Finder-Go-Connect to Server -102.168.0.18.  I don't believe I changed any settings, but it is now asking me to "Enter your name and password for the server "102.168.0.18", giving me the option to Connect as Guest or Registered User.  The Guest option will not let me through.  There is a Name and Password field for registered user.  Any idea what this permission is referring to?

I notice that in on MM - in settings, network interfaces - that I have not set a password.  Is this connected to the above?  I'm not having any trouble controlling the BDP-2 from the computer or iPad, etc.  I just can't directly access the various hard drives all of a sudden from the Mac Mini.

The CAT 5 is running into the main router (Cable Modem) from the Mac Mini, and the BDP-2 and BDA-3 are connect first to an 8 port switch that is connected to the main router.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Apr 2016, 05:09 pm
I had no issues previously in accessing my BDP-2 hard drives (internal and attached) over CAT6 from my Mac Mini via Finder-Go-Connect to Server -102.168.0.18.  I don't believe I changed any settings, but it is now asking me to "Enter your name and password for the server "102.168.0.18", giving me the option to Connect as Guest or Registered User.  The Guest option will not let me through.  There is a Name and Password field for registered user.  Any idea what this permission is referring to?

I notice that in on MM - in settings, network interfaces - that I have not set a password.  Is this connected to the above?  I'm not having any trouble controlling the BDP-2 from the computer or iPad, etc.  I just can't directly access the various hard drives all of a sudden from the Mac Mini.

The CAT 5 is running into the main router (Cable Modem) from the Mac Mini, and the BDP-2 and BDA-3 are connect first to an 8 port switch that is connected to the main router.

Hi

User Name and Password are both...   bryston
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 11 Apr 2016, 05:31 pm
Thanks James!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 26 Apr 2016, 12:06 am
Ordered my new 4B3 (to replace my 4Bsst2) along with a BDP2.  The BDP will replace my current Sim Audio Moon Mind which is a nice player in its own right.  What it do have going for it, is utter simplicity to use.  Im hoping here is a nice improvement over the Moon.

From what I seem to be reading, there is no difference in sound quality having my flat files stored on a NAS drive and hard wired to the BDP via a CAT 6 cable. I hope this is he case ?   Initially I was assuming it would be better to have a hard drive attached via usb but if a NAS drive is no different, it saves me the hassle of reconfiguring and reloading my files

Also, sorry if this has been asked ad nauseum, but is there an Internet radio function on the BDP2 similar to the VTuner that is on my Sim Audio Moon ?   Is great to be able to stream an Internet radio station some days and just listen when I'm doing work or out on the deck
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2016, 12:24 am
Ordered my new 4B3 (to replace my 4Bsst2) along with a BDA2.  The BDA will replace my current Sim Audio Moon Mind which is a nice player in its own right.  What it do have going for it, is utter simplicity to use.  Im hoping here is a nice improvement over the Moon.

From what I seem to be reading, there is no difference in sound quality having my flat files stored on a NAS drive and hard wired to the BDA via a CAT 6 cable. I hope this is he case ?   Initially I was assuming it would be better to have a hard drive attached via usb but if a NAS drive is no different, it saves me the hassle of reconfiguring and reloading my files

Also, sorry if this has been asked ad nauseum, but is there an Internet radio function on the BDA2 similar to the VTuner that is on my Sim Audio Moon ?   Is great to be able to stream an Internet radio station some days and just listen when I'm doing work or out on the deck

Hi

Chris can explain in greater detail but there is a Bryston Radio (all Shoutcast stations) available on the BDP-2 (I assume you meant BDP2 not BDA2?)  - I have stored about 10 favourite channels and use them like you suggest when I am relaxing or working in the soundroom.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 26 Apr 2016, 12:37 am
Oops. Sorry, yes, I meant BDP2. 

I was actually looking at my BDA2 when I was writing and I guess it was in my head
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Apr 2016, 02:23 am
Ordered my new 4B3 (to replace my 4Bsst2) along with a BDP2.  The BDP will replace my current Sim Audio Moon Mind which is a nice player in its own right.  What it do have going for it, is utter simplicity to use.  Im hoping here is a nice improvement over the Moon.

From what I seem to be reading, there is no difference in sound quality having my flat files stored on a NAS drive and hard wired to the BDP via a CAT 6 cable. I hope this is he case ?   Initially I was assuming it would be better to have a hard drive attached via usb but if a NAS drive is no different, it saves me the hassle of reconfiguring and reloading my files

Also, sorry if this has been asked ad nauseum, but is there an Internet radio function on the BDP2 similar to the VTuner that is on my Sim Audio Moon ?   Is great to be able to stream an Internet radio station some days and just listen when I'm doing work or out on the deck

The BDP interface gives you access to Shoutcast database by way of bRadio; also you can copy links to other radio station into bRadio and save them in a playlist.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 26 Apr 2016, 03:16 am
James - Still trying to figure out the "pop" between DSD tracks that have been extracted from an SACD iso ripped from SACD via Playstation...  I get no "pop" sound on the start up of the first track.  However, if I add only one track to the Now Playing list, there is a "pop" (fairly loud to very loud) once the track ends.  If I add more than one DSD track to the Now Playing list, there is a "pop" at the end of each track, before the next track begins.  If this issue has some similarity to the pop/click on SACD playback on HDMI that the firmware upgrade resolved for the most part, it there a chance Bryston would take a look at this phenomena.  I see the phenomena is well-documented on various audio blogs and posts, but most trace it back to the playback hardware now, not the file itself.  I'd be glad to send along a couple short tracks that I hear the "pop" sound when played back.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 26 Apr 2016, 03:18 am
Also, is there any chance the BPD-2 could be programmed to read SACD iso files (like J River)?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2016, 10:29 am
James - Still trying to figure out the "pop" between DSD tracks that have been extracted from an SACD iso ripped from SACD via Playstation...  I get no "pop" sound on the start up of the first track.  However, if I add only one track to the Now Playing list, there is a "pop" (fairly loud to very loud) once the track ends.  If I add more than one DSD track to the Now Playing list, there is a "pop" at the end of each track, before the next track begins.  If this issue has some similarity to the pop/click on SACD playback on HDMI that the firmware upgrade resolved for the most part, it there a chance Bryston would take a look at this phenomena.  I see the phenomena is well-documented on various audio blogs and posts, but most trace it back to the playback hardware now, not the file itself.  I'd be glad to send along a couple short tracks that I hear the "pop" sound when played back.

We are looking at it but so far we have not been able to repeat the problem.  I have about 1000 DSD files ripped from the Sony and I do not have the issue - not sure what is going on there in your setup? I assume you have the latest firmware loaded on the BDA3 DAC? If you want to send me a few files I will have a look and I will send you back a few of my files to test.

We did solve the DSD pop when using the OPPO for Pause, Stop and Next but I have not heard about adding DSD files to a playlist being an issue - what player are you using - a BDP-2?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 26 Apr 2016, 02:56 pm
James,
Yes, I have a BDP-2 (Juli - Firmware S2.24 2016-02-08) connected via USB to BDA-3 (u2016.03d).

Files stored on Internal HD on BDP-2 or on USB connected Seagate drive - pop occurs no matter where file is stored.

SACD iso extracted using either TraX Audio SACD Extractor or Sonore ISO2DSD with either MacMini or MacBook Pro (El Cap 10.11.4).  Pop occurs on dsf files created by either program.  I have wondered whether the pop is a Mac based issue in how it creates the extracted ISO file - but that's just a guess.

Sites that report the pop between DSD tracks (with various suggested fixes) include:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/dsd-playback-gives-loud-click-between-tracks/1620
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91838.0 BEGINNING Reply #8
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=96962.0

I'll email you to see if I can DropBox or Box you a couple short DSD files.

(I also still get a pop sometimes when the Oppo 95 loads a SACD disc or finishes a disc, connected via HDMI to the BDA-3, but that's a topic for another day).

Thank you for all the support - its what for me makes Bryston the best.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2016, 03:20 pm
James,
Yes, I have a BDP-2 (Juli - Firmware S2.24 2016-02-08) connected via USB to BDA-3 (u2016.03d).

Files stored on Internal HD on BDP-2 or on USB connected Seagate drive - pop occurs no matter where file is stored.

SACD iso extracted using either TraX Audio SACD Extractor or Sonore ISO2DSD with either MacMini or MacBook Pro (El Cap 10.11.4).  Pop occurs on dsf files created by either program.  I have wondered whether the pop is a Mac based issue in how it creates the extracted ISO file - but that's just a guess.

Sites that report the pop between DSD tracks (with various suggested fixes) include:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/dsd-playback-gives-loud-click-between-tracks/1620
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91838.0 BEGINNING Reply #8
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=96962.0

I'll email you to see if I can DropBox or Box you a couple short DSD files.

(I also still get a pop sometimes when the Oppo 95 loads a SACD disc or finishes a disc, connected via HDMI to the BDA-3, but that's a topic for another day).

Thank you for all the support - its what for me makes Bryston the best.

Send me a  thumbdrive with the files and I will send you a few of mine on the way back.  The DSD files I have were downloads and done on a Windows system so maybe that explains it.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Yitshak on 27 Apr 2016, 08:32 am
After all considerations taken,BDP-2 win the next Bryston step up!
Just ordered 2 units in silver with Bryston Cables AES/ABU.

The option to split music for difererent categories relatively small batch of files
On flash/SSD drives And the capability to play them from the machine
direct control buttons (with no computer involve in the chain If I choose to do so)...like a CD was very persuasive for me.

The importance is that I get to choose when I want to play computer head
or keep things strait simple Redbook like.
So I have both world available.

Now we wait
Cheers

Itshak



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 28 Apr 2016, 12:24 pm
After all considerations taken,BDP-2 win the next Bryston step up!
Just ordered 2 units in silver with Bryston Cables AES/ABU.

The option to split music for difererent categories relatively small batch of files
On flash/SSD drives And the capability to play them from the machine
direct control buttons (with no computer involve in the chain If I choose to do so)...like a CD was very persuasive for me.

The importance is that I get to choose when I want to play computer head
or keep things strait simple Redbook like.
So I have both world available.

Now we wait
Cheers

Itshak

Hi Itshak, I'm trying to understand why you would need two units.  Would it be for two separate systems?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Yitshak on 28 Apr 2016, 06:14 pm
Hi Itshak, I'm trying to understand why you would need two units.  Would it be for two separate systems?

Yes Samurai

I have two Bryston systems BDA2 and 3

Itshak
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Yitshak on 28 Apr 2016, 06:37 pm
So far so good.

Spent the last 24 hours preparing
2 new hard drives for the BDP-2's my small library (around 15 K of files )rearrange methodically all
Tag to small (Gener/Artist) batches for ease of control and quick navigation.

classical/symphonies/concertos/chambers
Jazz/big bands/small ensembles/singers
Prog Metal/Prog Rock /Heavy Metal/Rock
Modern Flamenco instrumental all cut to categories as much as need.

Now wi fi router ready CAT6 cables tomorrow will be in place,
For the NAS and IPads remotes,and the optional MPD or manic..
I'm still closing gaps on this...But I'll catch up until the units will arrived.

Both Computers will stay in stations connected via the USB to the DACs
For the near future.
But in large from tomorrow I'll be ready for the coming
BDP's up to a point of simple plug and play.

Itshak
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 3 May 2016, 03:03 pm
After the last update of new albums/songs, BDP-2 now has duplicate songs, incorrect Genre database, etc. Can someone help me with instructions on how to re-build the music database in BDP-2? I tried various options like "Clear Cache' in Settings-Music Player Daemon and "Reset DB" in Media player settings. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2016, 03:11 pm
After the last update of new albums/songs, BDP-2 now has duplicate songs, incorrect Genre database, etc. Can someone help me with instructions on how to re-build the music database in BDP-2? I tried various options like "Clear Cache' in Settings-Music Player Daemon and "Reset DB" in Media player settings. Thanks in advance.

What are you using to browse your music?  If your using something like mPad it will have its own database that will need to be rebuilt.  Otherwise if your using Media Player the only other option i can think of to check is "Bryston DB: Merge similar genre" and to check if your drive has trash or recycling folder.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 3 May 2016, 04:02 pm
Hello Chris - I am using Safari Web browser. I am using an external USB-based hard drive. What I need to do to enable trash drive? thanks for your help.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2016, 06:23 pm
Hello Chris - I am using Safari Web browser. I am using an external USB-based hard drive. What I need to do to enable trash drive? thanks for your help.

It sounds like you may have had the usb drive attached to a computer and attempted to remove a number of files, but had forgotten to empty your trash bin.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wilsonij on 3 May 2016, 08:31 pm
It sounds like you may have had the usb drive attached to a computer and attempted to remove a number of files, but had forgotten to empty your trash bin.

That's exactly what had happened to me...

...for ages I could *not* work out why some files were duplicated on my BDP-1 and it was only by luck that I found a "hidden" recycling folder on the USB drive which contained things that had supposedly been deleted months ago !

Ian
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2016, 11:43 pm
That's exactly what had happened to me...

...for ages I could *not* work out why some files were duplicated on my BDP-1 and it was only by luck that I found a "hidden" recycling folder on the USB drive which contained things that had supposedly been deleted months ago !

Ian

Everything is fine now?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 4 May 2016, 11:53 am
thanks Chris and all - After cleaning up the trash folder, it worked perfectly in a very short time. Is it possible to manage the trash folder at firmware level that once database is built, the trash folder is deleted automatically?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 May 2016, 02:36 pm
I've never wanted to add anything that actively removes or ignores files without customers consent
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tdb4rdd on 4 May 2016, 04:17 pm
makes sense...but how do we improve the user friendliness or make system more intuitive to operate considering user manual instructions are not detail enough?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 5 May 2016, 04:13 am
User "advanced" option with a popup window to confirm when you enable it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alinto on 9 May 2016, 04:21 am
How long does it normally take to receive the bdp-2? I hope it does not take as long as it took me to get the bha-1 a few years ago.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 May 2016, 09:37 am
How long does it normally take to receive the bdp-2? I hope it does not take as long as it took me to get the bha-1 a few years ago.

Hi alinto

I would say about 10 days depending on where you live.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Yitshak on 17 May 2016, 06:20 pm
any Bryston gear I get turn out a winner and hit above expectations,
Like no other company for me.


BDP2's playing a charm better as the minute pass,
It's a bit smoother on the ears and better detailed
And volume can turn higher clock wile maintaining Thea easy going feel.

Will see in coming days how it will settle in both my setups.

Don't know why I was worried from the operating learning curve at all,
Very easy to connect and run like CD in basic mode by playing from the tumb drives.

But I already toying with the MPAD app and no issues.

Thanks Bryston I'm very happy with my setups like never before
and even more as the time pass.

Cheers

Itshak



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143150)




Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 May 2016, 06:24 pm
Great set-up - ENJOY :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: John-7 on 18 May 2016, 04:06 pm
Hello.
I noticed a price increase on the BHA. Is there a price increase on the BDP-2 ? What's the Canadian MSRP ? thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2016, 04:10 pm
Hello.
I noticed a price increase on the BHA. Is there a price increase on the BDP-2 ? What's the Canadian MSRP ? thanks.

BDP-2 is $3295 currently.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: John-7 on 18 May 2016, 05:05 pm
Thank you James. I assume 17" black with blue lights to match my BHA is possible ?
If so, does the blue change the LEDs but leave the display green? Looks green from the images.
Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 May 2016, 05:16 pm
Thank you James. I assume 17" black with blue lights to match my BHA is possible ?
If so, does the blue change the LEDs but leave the display green? Looks green from the images.
Thanks.

Hi

The display and the LEDs are blue but the LEDs are a deeper blue colour.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: John-7 on 18 May 2016, 05:28 pm
Thanks again.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Yitshak on 18 May 2016, 06:09 pm
Great set-up - ENJOY :thumb:

james


Thanks James



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 19 May 2016, 12:59 pm
Hi

The display and the LEDs are blue but the LEDs are a deeper blue colour.

james

It seems there's been a change in the blue displays compared to my BDP-2 from 2 years ago. The glass overlying the display on the older units had a green tint, giving the display an "aqua" tint, whereas current blue displays appear a true blue. Is this correct, James? Current setup looks better integrated with the LEDs, IMO.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 May 2016, 01:03 pm
It seems there's been a change in the blue displays compared to my BDP-2 from 2 years ago. The glass overlying the display on the older units had a green tint, giving the display an "aqua" tint, whereas current blue displays appear a true blue. Is this correct, James? Current setup looks better integrated with the LEDs, IMO.

No I think it is the same lens its just shows up a little different in photos depending on lighting.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 20 May 2016, 02:46 am
Hi James, I just received my bdp2 and love it just having difficulty playing dsd one I have comes out as 352.8 and the hd X 2 test file doesn't play at all.  The file doesn't display on my iPad but I can see on the player display any ideas?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 May 2016, 03:34 am
Hi James, I just received my bdp2 and love it just having difficulty playing dsd one I have comes out as 352.8 and the hd X 2 test file doesn't play at all.  The file doesn't display on my iPad but I can see on the player display any ideas?

Make sure the BDA-3 is enabled as a DSD capable DAC in the Audio Devices settings page and you should switch the version of MPD from 0.17 to 0.19 (require a reboot before it takes effect).

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 20 May 2016, 04:47 pm
James,
Is there any chance that the BDP-2 could read and self-extract SACD and Blu-ray iso files in the future (not sure how JRiver does this)?
David

PS-still getting "pops" with DSD rips.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 20 May 2016, 07:33 pm
Make sure the BDA-3 is enabled as a DSD capable DAC in the Audio Devices settings page and you should switch the version of MPD from 0.17 to 0.19 (require a reboot before it takes effect).

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf

I tried the update it load but only .176 not .19 also can play dsd X 1 but not x2 after I adjusted settings.  The x2 file still a no show in mm but shows on the player display just won't play
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 May 2016, 08:39 pm
I tried the update it load but only .176 not .19 also can play dsd X 1 but not x2 after I adjusted settings.  The x2 file still a no show in mm but shows on the player display just won't play

you need to reboot after saving the change
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 21 May 2016, 12:52 am
you need to reboot after saving the change

All good now thanks for your help
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 21 May 2016, 04:24 am
Gremlin is back mm has dropped the dsd x2 file again it was there played it now it's gone again.   Able to play directly from bdp but not mm

Update: I had to select the bdp in the settings and that seems to work now
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 25 May 2016, 04:59 pm
Backup system.  I have a BDP-2 with 1TB internal and two 4TB usb drives.  I'm looking for ways to automatically back up all three drives, and also have the physical hard drive back up to a cloud based backup (Backblaze). Anyone had experience with backup up multiple drives perhaps via NAS?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wilsonij on 25 May 2016, 08:17 pm
Backup system.  I have a BDP-2 with 1TB internal and two 4TB usb drives.  I'm looking for ways to automatically back up all three drives, and also have the physical hard drive back up to a cloud based backup (Backblaze). Anyone had experience with backup up multiple drives perhaps via NAS?

If you have access to a computer which can "see" all of the storage devices on your network, then I've found FreeFileSync - http://www.freefilesync.org - to be superb and keeps the three copies of my entire music collection (two on local drives and one on a NAS) all nicely synchronised :-)

Ian
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 25 May 2016, 08:32 pm
Carbon copy Cloner works hassle free and most secure. Highly recommended albeit non free:https://bombich.com/
Simple mode and highly adjustable and automated if needed/wanted.
Cheers Marius

Ps

If you're on a Synology, cloud sync works great with various other cloud services . Careful with Cloudserver though, it eats your drives....

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 25 May 2016, 08:38 pm
If you have access to a computer which can "see" all of the storage devices on your network, then I've found FreeFileSync - http://www.freefilesync.org - to be superb and keeps the three copies of my entire music collection (two on local drives and one on a NAS) all nicely synchronised :-)

Ian

Thanks! Never heard of this, my loss apparently . Looks very promising. Great find.
Cheers Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 25 May 2016, 10:47 pm
FreeFileSync is an OUTSTANDING program for synching drives or folders. I have spent quite an effort evaluating others, until I found this. There is a bit of a learning curve, but it is very flexible to accommodate different types of synching (Two-way, mirror, update, and custom) with many permutations and combinations of each. A bonus is that it is multi-platform (windows, OS X, Linux). Great program and it is FREE. After using it for a while, you will probably want to donate to the author. :wink:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 26 May 2016, 05:30 am
Thanks! Never heard of this, my loss apparently . Looks very promising. Great find.
Cheers Marius


Can't get it to start up on my Macs. Maybe blocked by security settings? there's no such thing as a free ride...Need to have a closer look.


edit:
donated to get the donor's installer, only to find out it is the same Mac file listed on the regular downloads page. apparently only the windows installer comes with advertisement and a donor's version...
Alright it is though, i got it to run on my main Macbook and it compared directories in a flash. Missed that in Carbon Copy Cloner, which synchronizes after clicking, no comparing on beforehand.


So both have their unique set of options, and both are very much welcomed on this side. Again, thanks for the tip!

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 29 May 2016, 11:24 am
Slightly off topic but Freefilesync was mentioned here so please let me ask:
FFS works on my Macbook Pro, but won't start on my Macbook Air. With the latest El Capitan, i don't need to check Disk consistencies or writing rights anymore, so that can't be it. Anyone here to help finding a solution to a not starting App on the Mac? I can't imagine security settings that won't let it open. ctrl-right clicking doesn't help. Only thing i see is an app icon animation, and after that... nothing happens. It won't load into memory (checked activity monitor).  :scratch: :scratch:


Thanks,
Marius

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: NekoAudio on 30 May 2016, 06:04 pm
FFS works on my Macbook Pro, but won't start on my Macbook Air.
If it's failing to start, usually a log is written. Check inside ~/Library/Logs/ and ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/. The Apple-provided "Console" app can also be helpful if you are running it when you try and launch the app.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 30 May 2016, 06:08 pm
If it's failing to start, usually a log is written. Check inside ~/Library/Logs/ and ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/. The Apple-provided "Console" app can also be helpful if you are running it when you try and launch the app.


I will! thx. Suddenly also the updater of Private Internet access won't run  :scratch: :scratch: appears to be a Mac issue then? Strange things happening.

this is it:


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143906)


and
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143907)


Bell Ringing... :duh: :duh: :duh:


I installed Ostiarius security app (https://objective-see.com/products/ostiarius.html). Forgot about it. Thanks Neko for reminding me through the Console. So glad this circle is around!!
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jtinto on 31 May 2016, 12:46 am
Did that fix it Marius?
It looked to me like your setting in system prefs / security & privacy / general was not allowing downloaded unsigned apps
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2016, 12:20 pm
Did that fix it Marius?
It looked to me like your setting in system prefs / security & privacy / general was not allowing downloaded unsigned apps


it did indeed.
My settings prohibit that like you say, but one can ctrl-right click to give permission per app.
Ostiarius prevents that possibility, and so is even safer. Also a bit more inconvenient....


Ive now disabled Ostiarius, while i could have also changed permissions on the file, for Ostiarius to pass it. Maybe lateron, for now I've got things working.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: jtinto on 31 May 2016, 12:44 pm
Marius, I've never tried Ostiarius or FreeFileSync. I'll look into them. Thanks.

I tend to use SuperDuper! to clone local disks and Carbon Copy Cloner for network disks.

I see that we both use Private Internet Access. I've been using their VPN since 2012 without any problems. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2016, 12:44 pm

it did indeed.
My settings prohibit that like you say, but one can ctrl-right click to give permission per app.
Ostiarius prevents that possibility, and so is even safer. Also a bit more inconvenient....


Ive now disabled Ostiarius, while i could have also changed permissions on the file, for Ostiarius to pass it. Maybe lateron, for now I've got things working.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: audioMirror on 11 Jun 2016, 03:56 am
Hi James,

I just received my new BDP-2 and BDA-3 from you, through my dealer.  I had you install a new 1TB SSD drive in the BDP-2 for me.

The only problem is, while the SSD Drive shows up in the "Disk-info" tab of Manic Moose and it is formatted with MBR, there is no sub-directory, and I believe that means there is no mount point.  I cannot access this drive through Windows 10, though I can see a "user" directory on the internal OS drive, and a "music" directory on my old external drive that I plugged into the USB port.

So, there is no way for me to get to the drive, to copy my music onto it.  Is there some magic I can do, or do I have to un-install the drive, put it in a Windows machine, and create a sub-directory?  I was hoping this drive would be usable out-of-the-box.

Edit:  Here are the logs for loading the drive:

[ 2.822532] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 2.822856] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 1953525168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/931 GiB)
[ 2.823147] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 2.823216] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 2.823343] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 2.825160] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 2.826733] sdb: unknown partition table

The Disk Info shows:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: INTEL SSDSC2KW010X6
Serial Number: CVLT611500TN1P0FGN
LU WWN Device Id: 5 5cd2e4 14cb306ad
Firmware Version: LSBG200
User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 10
ATA Standard is: Not recognized. Minor revision code: 0xffff
Local Time is: Sat Jun 11 04:11:35 2016 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2016, 09:56 am
Hi

This one is over my head but will ask Chris to comment.  I use Windows 10 on one of my computers and no issues with seeing the drive but it is formatted for NTSF.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2016, 01:12 pm
Hi James,

I just received my new BDP-2 and BDA-3 from you, through my dealer.  I had you install a new 1TB SSD drive in the BDP-2 for me.

The only problem is, while the SSD Drive shows up in the "Disk-info" tab of Manic Moose and it is formatted with MBR, there is no sub-directory, and I believe that means there is no mount point.  I cannot access this drive through Windows 10, though I can see a "user" directory on the internal OS drive, and a "music" directory on my old external drive that I plugged into the USB port.

So, there is no way for me to get to the drive, to copy my music onto it.  Is there some magic I can do, or do I have to un-install the drive, put it in a Windows machine, and create a sub-directory?  I was hoping this drive would be usable out-of-the-box.

Edit:  Here are the logs for loading the drive:

[ 2.822532] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 2.822856] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] 1953525168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/931 GiB)
[ 2.823147] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 2.823216] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[ 2.823343] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 2.825160] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 2.826733] sdb: unknown partition table

The Disk Info shows:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: INTEL SSDSC2KW010X6
Serial Number: CVLT611500TN1P0FGN
LU WWN Device Id: 5 5cd2e4 14cb306ad
Firmware Version: LSBG200
User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 10
ATA Standard is: Not recognized. Minor revision code: 0xffff
Local Time is: Sat Jun 11 04:11:35 2016 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

Please post a screenshot of disk information or place the BDP into service mode
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: audioMirror on 11 Jun 2016, 02:26 pm
Please post a screenshot of disk information or place the BDP into service mode

It is the 1TB drive in the middle that I can't see.  It was new-in-box when I sent it to you for the new BDP-2, so I don't know if you formatted it, or it had the right formatting already, or what.

I only see the main sub-directories "music" and "user" in Windows 10.  Perhaps there is no Samba mount point available if the SSD doesn't have sub-directories?  I pushed the "Get Info" button for it.  The 1.5 TB is an external drive.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144691)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2016, 02:42 pm
It is the 1TB drive in the middle that I can't see.  It was new-in-box when I sent it to you for the new BDP-2, so I don't know if you formatted it, or it had the right formatting already, or what.

I only see the main sub-directories "music" and "user" in Windows 10.  Perhaps there is no Samba mount point available if the SSD doesn't have sub-directories?  I pushed the "Get Info" button for it.  The 1.5 TB is an external drive.


The drive needs to be erased, after selecting the SSD, click erase (top middle), select a filesystem, enter a name, click simple partition
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: audioMirror on 11 Jun 2016, 03:42 pm
The drive needs to be erased, after selecting the SSD, click erase (top middle), select a filesystem, enter a name, click simple partition

That did it!  I formatted, mounted, and then rebooted the BDP (so I could get Windows to reload the data), and I now have access the drive.  Thanks!

This is awesome service, guys.  As a software writer myself, I often assume that things are obvious to users, so just a note -- you should probably have a small guide on "installing an internal hard drive" (even if you install it) that could mention these things.

I love the sound so far, though I don't notice a lot of obvious difference from my BDP-1/BDA-1 combination (not that I can A/B the two right now) through AES/EBU.  At first I noticed a difference, and then realized the "upsample" as on.  When turned off, I got about the sound I'm used to, but perhaps with a bit more expansiveness and ease.  I can't be sure.  Still, I love the features of the new components.  I'm looking forward to getting all my music on the internal drive, to stop those "drive spin-up" delays.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: wilcat_2000 on 12 Jun 2016, 11:51 am
Awesome service is right!
I had the exact same issue that audioMirror describes arise when I was installing my ssd a couple of weeks back.  Of course....I was doing the install at just after 11:00 pm (after a long day at the office and finishing all the household chores...what else is there to do but screw around with the stereo).  After hitting that disk settings wall, I emailed Chris (whose name I found here on the forums), hoping for a reply back sometime the next day so I could finish the install after work the following night.  Image my surprise - not 10 minutes later, at 11:26 pm on a Tuesday night - Chris replied back with full instructions to resolve my problem. 
Bryston rocks!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 17 Jun 2016, 02:59 am
I experienced 2 drop outs (pauses in songs) in the last 2 days anyone else experience this?  I have a wd passport hard drive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 17 Jun 2016, 11:55 am
What filesystem is the Wd hard drive using?  What version of the firmware are you using?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 17 Jun 2016, 01:44 pm
What filesystem is the Wd hard drive using?  What version of the firmware are you using?

Fat 32' S2.24 2016-02-08
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alinto on 22 Jun 2016, 05:27 am
I have my bdp-2 for a couple of weeks now with about 120 hours on it. Compared to the bdp-1 (which i had traded in) the bdp-2 sounds more dynamic ,with better details and tonality. The bdp-1 however sounds smoother and more liquid. The bdp-2 sounds more digital with a hotter top end. I am using the balance output on the bdp-2 and was using the rca output on the bdp-1. When i use the rca output on the bdp-2 , the top end is not as bright but i lose some of the dynamics and details. I am using an early kimber orchid for balance and a atlas mavros digital cable for the rca going into a meitner ma-1. I was wondering if further burn in of the bdp-2 would lead to a more natural top end or if I should try a different aes/ebu cable?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 22 Jun 2016, 01:20 pm
I have my bdp-2 for a couple of weeks now with about 120 hours on it. Compared to the bdp-1 (which i had traded in) the bdp-2 sounds more dynamic ,with better details and tonality. The bdp-1 however sounds smoother and more liquid. The bdp-2 sounds more digital with a hotter top end. I am using the balance output on the bdp-2 and was using the rca output on the bdp-1. When i use the rca output on the bdp-2 , the top end is not as bright but i lose some of the dynamics and details. I am using an early kimber orchid for balance and a atlas mavros digital cable for the rca going into a meitner ma-1. I was wondering if further burn in of the bdp-2 would lead to a more natural top end or if I should try a different aes/ebu cable?

You should try USB from the BDP-2 to the Meitner.
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vklyushnikov on 22 Jun 2016, 02:43 pm
Hi All,

I experience a strange problem with my BDP-2 - Random error 05 messages with absolutely correct input voltage. My unit is European model with 230 v  voltage, but error 05 message shows 224 v! 224 is far away from 190 v or 254 v boundaries specified in manual. The error appears only once, I press power button  off and on again - and BDP-2 boots without any problems. Such behaviour is very annoying, how to get rid off it? Possibly some firmware error?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jun 2016, 03:10 pm
Hi All,

I experience a strange problem with my BDP-2 - Random error 05 messages with absolutely correct input voltage. My unit is European model with 230 v  voltage, but error 05 message shows 224 v! 224 is far away from 190 v or 254 v boundaries specified in manual. The error appears only once, I press power button  off and on again - and BDP-2 boots without any problems. Such behaviour is very annoying, how to get rid off it? Possibly some firmware error?

It only needs to exceed the threshold for a fraction of a second to cause the trip and a multi-meter won't pick up that type of spike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vklyushnikov on 22 Jun 2016, 03:46 pm
It only needs to exceed the threshold for a fraction of a second to cause the trip and a multi-meter won't pick up that type of spike
Ok, but why it reports valid value? Logically it should report which value exceeded threshold, isn't it? But it reports valid 224 v.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jun 2016, 06:51 pm
Ok, but why it reports valid value? Logically it should report which value exceeded threshold, isn't it? But it reports valid 224 v.

you mean the value shown in the lower right hand corner of the display?  that's not the voltage, that's the 8bit analog value measured by the micro. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Falldog on 22 Jun 2016, 07:12 pm
Dallas Texas in Summer

My BDP-2 keeps tripping off with the 05 / 124 Error message which, i believe means an issue with the source power.

Since I cannot control the Power Grid, What products would you recommend that would allow the BDP-2 to have a constant power source?  Would the this power device need to have a battery?

NOTE:  In the past I had a PS Audio Power Plant Premier, but it failed out of warranty with annoying clicking sound.  My BDP-2 would still have issues with the 05 / 124 error even when plugged into the PS Audio Power Plant Premier.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Falldog on 23 Jun 2016, 03:34 pm
Last night was an 04/124 Error code.  BDP-2 required reboot to allow web access.

What can I do?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 23 Jun 2016, 05:11 pm
Might I respectfully suggest that you work this out with Bryston Technical Support, and get back with us if the problem/solution are of general usefulness. So many of our posts concern individual trouble-shooting that end up related to local setups. I definitely feel your frustration when glitches happen. And granted, some of the ultimate solutions are educational to the community, but I have personally had much quicker results discussing privately with Chris or other team members first.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Jun 2016, 10:56 pm
Dallas Texas in Summer

My BDP-2 keeps tripping off with the 05 / 124 Error message which, i believe means an issue with the source power.

Since I cannot control the Power Grid, What products would you recommend that would allow the BDP-2 to have a constant power source?  Would the this power device need to have a battery?

NOTE:  In the past I had a PS Audio Power Plant Premier, but it failed out of warranty with annoying clicking sound.  My BDP-2 would still have issues with the 05 / 124 error even when plugged into the PS Audio Power Plant Premier.

A Bryston BIT AVR unit would keep your voltage more stable, that might help you in this situation.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Anonamemouse on 24 Jun 2016, 06:43 am
Dallas Texas in Summer

My BDP-2 keeps tripping off with the 05 / 124 Error message which, i believe means an issue with the source power.

Since I cannot control the Power Grid, What products would you recommend that would allow the BDP-2 to have a constant power source?  Would the this power device need to have a battery?

NOTE:  In the past I had a PS Audio Power Plant Premier, but it failed out of warranty with annoying clicking sound.  My BDP-2 would still have issues with the 05 / 124 error even when plugged into the PS Audio Power Plant Premier.
I think you need something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA55W25B4769
This will solve the power irregularities for you.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 25 Jun 2016, 12:14 pm
I think you need something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA55W25B4769
This will solve the power irregularities for you.

These units are apparently really noisy.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Anonamemouse on 25 Jun 2016, 06:39 pm
These units are apparently really noisy.
Ah... I did not know this, I live in a part of the world with very stable current. Maybe one black out per 2 years. Voltage hovers around 225 Volts, no matter what time of day. So I don't need it, and as such I have never heard one.
I know that a medical grade version of a UPS exists. Maybe that would work?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vonnie123 on 25 Jun 2016, 06:52 pm
Dallas Texas in Summer

My BDP-2 keeps tripping off with the 05 / 124 Error message which, i believe means an issue with the source power.

Since I cannot control the Power Grid, What products would you recommend that would allow the BDP-2 to have a constant power source?  Would the this power device need to have a battery?

NOTE:  In the past I had a PS Audio Power Plant Premier, but it failed out of warranty with annoying clicking sound.  My BDP-2 would still have issues with the 05 / 124 error even when plugged into the PS Audio Power Plant Premier.

APC H15, or if you can swing it, PSAudio P3, P5, or P10.  I also had a Power Plant Premier.  Bought it refurbished from music direct.  It failed out of the box (clicking) and I returned it, and replaced it with a P5.  Only issue was getting the display screen replaced under warranty - one pixel line went bad.   Has worked great for 3 plus years.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 26 Jun 2016, 01:21 pm
Quote
I have my bdp-2 for a couple of weeks now with about 120 hours on it. Compared to the bdp-1 (which i had traded in) the bdp-2 sounds more dynamic ,with better details and tonality. The bdp-1 however sounds smoother and more liquid. The bdp-2 sounds more digital with a hotter top end. I am using the balance output on the bdp-2 and was using the rca output on the bdp-1. When i use the rca output on the bdp-2 , the top end is not as bright but i lose some of the dynamics and details. I am using an early kimber orchid for balance and a atlas mavros digital cable for the rca going into a meitner ma-1. I was wondering if further burn in of the bdp-2 would lead to a more natural top end or if I should try a different aes/ebu cable?


This is why I stayed with the bdp-1 and never went to the bdp-2.  I do a lot of headphone listening and this is even more pronounced with my cans on.  I did do some cable swapping to mitigate tonal issues before I got the bdp-1 and only crapped up the music.  I went back to the cables I liked the most and when the bdp-1 was put into the mix the clouds parted for me so to speak.  I'm not a fan of cable swapping for tone or mitigation of issues.  If it was me, I'd break it in full time for at least a month and if it did not please me, I'd replace it with what did.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: alinto on 27 Jun 2016, 04:37 am

This is why I stayed with the bdp-1 and never went to the bdp-2.  I do a lot of headphone listening and this is even more pronounced with my cans on.  I did do some cable swapping to mitigate tonal issues before I got the bdp-1 and only crapped up the music.  I went back to the cables I liked the most and when the bdp-1 was put into the mix the clouds parted for me so to speak.  I'm not a fan of cable swapping for tone or mitigation of issues.  If it was me, I'd break it in full time for at least a month and if it did not please me, I'd replace it with what did.

I am going to let it burn in some more. It is starting to sound less bright but i think it is the aes cable. When i had the bdp-1 i was using the same aes cable and found the top end more extend but more ragged. I used the rca connection because it performed the same as the aes connection without the bright top end. With the bdp-2 the aes connection overall sounds better than the rca connection.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 27 Jun 2016, 05:55 am

This is why I stayed with the bdp-1 and never went to the bdp-2.  I do a lot of headphone listening and this is even more pronounced with my cans on.  I did do some cable swapping to mitigate tonal issues before I got the bdp-1 and only crapped up the music.  I went back to the cables I liked the most and when the bdp-1 was put into the mix the clouds parted for me so to speak.  I'm not a fan of cable swapping for tone or mitigation of issues.  If it was me, I'd break it in full time for at least a month and if it did not please me, I'd replace it with what did.

+1 ... I experimented for some time with USB out from my BDP-1 into an external USB-S/PDIF converter (Bel Canto REFLink) and it sounded different (as the earlier poster said: dynamic), but I went back to AES out directly into my DAC for the smoothness, which is what keeps me a fan of the BDP-1.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 10 Jul 2016, 08:38 pm
Forgive me if this has been addressed already or if this seems overly simplistic.  But I have a Simaudio Moon Mind streamer fed to a BDA2 DAC and am considering upgrading to the BDP 2 player.  The Mind is very simple and straightforward to use, and seeing as I am not a super techy guy, I just want to know if I can use it the same as my Mind. That, simply is:

Have all my music on a NAS drive, control my total music library from the NAS drive via a tablet and play and build playlists as required.  Stream internet radio.   New music is added to the NAS drive as I obtain it.

This is what I do on the Mind.  Easy, simple, straightforward and no messing around


I just want to keep it very simple.  Is keeping it this simple and straightforward with the the BDP 2 possible and the norm ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dave Jameson on 10 Jul 2016, 09:11 pm
Forgive me if this has been addressed already or if this seems overly simplistic.  But I have a Simaudio Moon Mind streamer fed to a BDA2 DAC and am considering upgrading to the BDP 2 player.  The Mind is very simple and straightforward to use, and seeing as I am not a super techy guy, I just want to know if I can use it the same as my Mind. That, simply is:

Have all my music on a NAS drive, control my total music library from the NAS drive via a tablet and play and build playlists as required.  Stream internet radio.   New music is added to the NAS drive as I obtain it.

This is what I do on the Mind.  Easy, simple, straightforward and no messing around


I just want to keep it very simple.  Is keeping it this simple and straightforward with the the BDP 2 possible and the norm ?

The MiND app is a better overall interface and has superior Tidal and Internet Radio integration. Where the BDP2 is superior is in sound quality and, with an internal hard drive installed, it is less network intensive. The BDP2 is also Roon enabled (beautiful) and as of yet no mention of Roon compatibility has been announced from Simaudio Moon.

But, yes, you can use it just like your MiND: to read files from a network share as well as Tidal and Internet Radio. But you will have manually update the BDP2 in order for new network files to be available. No big deal. The MiND app also generally requires a refresh before new network files appear.

Try to arrange a demo of a BDP.

Cheers,
DJ
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 10 Jul 2016, 09:48 pm
The MiND app is a better overall interface and has superior Tidal and Internet Radio integration. Where the BDP2 is superior is in sound quality and, with an internal hard drive installed, it is less network intensive. The BDP2 is also Roon enabled (beautiful) and as of yet no mention of Roon compatibility has been announced from Simaudio Moon.

But, yes, you can use it just like your MiND: to read files from a network share as well as Tidal and Internet Radio. But you will have manually update the BDP2 in order for new network files to be available. No big deal. The MiND app also generally requires a refresh before new network files appear.

Try to arrange a demo of a BDP.

Cheers,
DJ

So, would you say that the BDP2 has better sound quality on flac files from the NAS vs the Mind ? (Not on an internal HD)

No network issues on the Mind to date,  and it is hard wired to the router with a CAT 6 cable, so no concerns with network anticipated for the BDP2
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Dave Jameson on 11 Jul 2016, 01:46 am
So, would you say that the BDP2 has better sound quality on flac files from the NAS vs the Mind ? (Not on an internal HD)

No network issues on the Mind to date,  and it is hard wired to the router with a CAT 6 cable, so no concerns with network anticipated for the BDP2

I did have the opportunity to test both a BDP2 and MiND through the same DAC playing the same files from a NAS and the BDP2 was superior...and not just a little bit either! But the Bryston is exactly "streaming" files in the same manor as the MiND. So is this difference in sound quality due to the file sharing protocol? Can't say.

Now, the MiND has had a few firmware updates since I did my test and perhaps there has been a performance boost. Hence why I think you should really get into contact with a Bryston dealer to orchestrate a demo...find out for yourself :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2016, 10:16 am
Hi Folks,

Sneak peak - new review on the Bryston BDP-2 Player and BDA-3 DAC combo coming soon:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146703)

"The Bryston BDP-2 digital file and network player used in tandem with the BDA-3 DAC is the best digital front end I have had in my system. 

The versatility, build, ease of setup, and sound quality are unrivalled in my experience at least."


Andre Marc
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 14 Jul 2016, 01:04 am
Just got my brand new BDP-2 installed (upgrade from a BDP1). I HAD everything working except the network connection. I am still having problems with the network connection (which never did work, but I have been having router issues the last few days - No 2.4 GHz radio transmission, although I have a hard-wired ethernet connection directly to a gigabit switch which shows the BDP-2 connection as being intermittent).

So I am trying to use the BDP-2 from the front panel until I can get the network sorted out. The BDP-2 is virtually deaf, dumb and blind (as the old blues song goes) without a network connection. I press the right arrow to navigate down the directory tree on an external hard drive plugged into a rear USB port. When I get to the song title (which shows the full path on the screen, e.g. /media/disk/directory_name/.../Artist/"I can't read the rest". When I press the right arrow one more time, the screen shows the right arrow with the square underneath it, but nothing is playing. I tried using a USB flash drive plugged into the front, but get the same result. Shouldn't the song start playing? Even if I hit the play button, "Loading" flashes in the display and then I just get the right arrow and square on the display with nothing else and no sound.

When I did have it working, I could not get it to move forward to the next song. The Next button just gives me a fast forward within the current song and the right arrow key didn't seem to do anything.

Without a network connection, I can't even upgrade the firmware (currently S2.20 2015-11-20 (is this really the firmware version that is currently shipping?)

Any suggestions for better navigation through the front panel until I resolve the network issues?

Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 14 Jul 2016, 12:39 pm
UPDATE: Got the BDP-2 connected to the Internet (switch may be faulty) and upgraded to the latest firmware. Everything seems to be working as expected. Makes all the difference!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 14 Jul 2016, 12:44 pm
UPDATE: Got the BDP-2 connected to the Internet (switch may be faulty) and upgraded to the latest firmware. Everything seems to be working as expected. Makes all the difference!


Great news - Enjoy :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2016, 08:32 pm
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-media-servers/music-servers/bryston-bdp-2-server-and-bda-3-dac-review.html
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 17 Jul 2016, 11:28 pm
after a a fair amount of confusion, finally got the BDP 2 set up to ,my NAS.  Certainly not near as user friendly as my Simaudio Moon, but it does sound better, no question

This may be a dumb , question, but does Manic Moose have issues with rocognising certain albums or artists ?  Songs and albums that are properly labeled and categorized (under the proper artist) with my Moon, are missing on the BDP. There seems to be a ton of songs and albums just labeled as "various" artists it seems. If I search for them they are there, but they are not labelled.  Pearl Jam's CD" Ten" for example is a full album listed under the artist "pearl jam" with the Moon, but I have to do a search with the BDP as its not labeled as any artist

And secondly, is there any simple way to access internet radio other than B radio  ? A couple of my go to stations don't seem to be available on B radio.....at least I can't find them. (And there is no search function)

The other issue is that every time I turn the BDP on, and go into the Bryston app, I need to go into "NAS setup" and click the radio button beside my NAS drive and also click on my network under "network interfaces". Almost like it won't save the setting when I exit each time
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jul 2016, 03:20 am
after a a fair amount of confusion, finally got the BDP 2 set up to ,my NAS.  Certainly not near as user friendly as my Simaudio Moon, but it does sound better, no question

This may be a dumb , question, but does Manic Moose have issues with rocognising certain albums or artists ?  Songs and albums that are properly labeled and categorized (under the proper artist) with my Moon, are missing on the BDP. There seems to be a ton of songs and albums just labeled as "various" artists it seems. If I search for them they are there, but they are not labelled.  Pearl Jam's CD" Ten" for example is a full album listed under the artist "pearl jam" with the Moon, but I have to do a search with the BDP as its not labeled as any artist

And secondly, is there any simple way to access internet radio other than B radio  ? A couple of my go to stations don't seem to be available on B radio.....at least I can't find them. (And there is no search function)

The other issue is that every time I turn the BDP on, and go into the Bryston app, I need to go into "NAS setup" and click the radio button beside my NAS drive and also click on my network under "network interfaces". Almost like it won't save the setting when I exit each time

It sounds like your not allowing the BDP to finish scanning your library, you have update mpd at startup turned or your using the Dlna client.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 18 Jul 2016, 04:17 am
It sounds like your not allowing the BDP to finish scanning your library, you have update mpd at startup turned or your using the Dlna client.

So, should DNLA client be checked ?

Any idea why every time I turn the unit on I have to select the NAS and the network ?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jul 2016, 02:54 pm
So, should DNLA client be checked ?
NO
Any idea why every time I turn the unit on I have to select the NAS and the network ?
It sounds like your not allowing the BDP to finish scanning your library or you have update mpd at startup turned
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 18 Jul 2016, 05:29 pm
NOIt sounds like your not allowing the BDP to finish scanning your library or you have update mpd at startup turned

Thanks

Seems to be working better now.

As far as internet radio, if the station is not available in shoutcast, is it available on b radio ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 18 Jul 2016, 11:56 pm
Thanks

Seems to be working better now.

As far as internet radio, if the station is not available in shoutcast, is it available on b radio ?


The two are identical, there is a box for adding your own stations to play, the link must be to a icecast server or a playlist containing icecast/shoutcast servers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 19 Jul 2016, 12:31 am
Great, thanks

Many of the ones I listen to aren't on shoutcast.  Several are actual on-air radio stations that also broadcast over the web that I could stream on my previous player (Moon)

I guess I'll have to find some new favs


Is there a way to do a search of the stations on b radio ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vonnie123 on 20 Jul 2016, 07:22 am
Are the USB A ports on the reverse of the BDP-2 and BDP-1 bi-directional.  (e.g., can they be used to output USB signal to a DAC.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 20 Jul 2016, 07:58 am
Known wanted (and often requested) feature for the BDP


Workarounds i use:


- edit a m3u file with the internet stream and add it to the playlists on the BDP
- put the BDP i Shairplay mode and use TuneIn to stream to it, or any other app that is able to use airplay.


- new: try to add it to the new internet radio interface if you use Roon. Should be able to copy-paste the TuneIn streams.


There are other ways of course depending on the Apps you use.


Cheers,
Marius


Great, thanks

Many of the ones I listen to aren't on shoutcast.  Several are actual on-air radio stations that also broadcast over the web that I could stream on my previous player (Moon)

I guess I'll have to find some new favs


Is there a way to do a search of the stations on b radio ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 20 Jul 2016, 11:57 pm
Known wanted (and often requested) feature for the BDP


Workarounds i use:


- edit a m3u file with the internet stream and add it to the playlists on the BDP
- put the BDP i Shairplay mode and use TuneIn to stream to it, or any other app that is able to use airplay.


- new: try to add it to the new internet radio interface if you use Roon. Should be able to copy-paste the TuneIn streams.


There are other ways of course depending on the Apps you use.


Cheers,
Marius

So, if I have the tunein app on my iPad and enable shareplay on manic moose, I can stream tunein though the BDP2 ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 21 Jul 2016, 12:50 am
So, if I have the tunein app on my iPad and enable shareplay on manic moose, I can stream tunein though the BDP2 ?

Should work, just keep in mind it isn't a legit AirPlay protocol.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 21 Jul 2016, 01:34 am
Should work, just keep in mind it isn't a legit AirPlay protocol.

Whaddaya know. It works !

Now, will this also work with android ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2016, 08:39 am
So, if I have the tunein app on my iPad and enable shareplay on manic moose, I can stream tunein though the BDP2 ?


Sure, do it all the time, been doing for a long time, works on the BDP1 too ;)
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147203)

Cool to stream the Bayreuth Festival in the auditorium: http://www.operacast.com/bayreuth_2016.htm#July (http://www.operacast.com/bayreuth_2016.htm#July)
Enjoy!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2016, 08:51 am
Should work, just keep in mind it isn't a legit AirPlay protocol.
HI Chris,


My experience so far with Shairplay is that the only thing frustrating perfect operation were competing services on the BDP. I expect that since you've changed into services being mutually excluding, problems in that corner will be gone.


I've played very long radio streams (Bayreuth festival live opera streaming) through shairplay without any issues whatsoever.
 :thumb:
Cheers,
Marius


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 21 Jul 2016, 03:54 pm
HI Chris,


My experience so far with Shairplay is that the only thing frustrating perfect operation were competing services on the BDP. I expect that since you've changed into services being mutually excluding, problems in that corner will be gone.


I've played very long radio streams (Bayreuth festival live opera streaming) through shairplay without any issues whatsoever.
 :thumb:
Cheers,
Marius


Seems that when I enable shareplay it will "uncheck" the MPD, and I need to keep going back to check the appropriate box in services if I am streaming digital files from my NAS, and vice versa.  Is this correct that both cannot be enabled at the same time ?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 21 Jul 2016, 06:25 pm

Seems that when I enable shareplay it will "uncheck" the MPD, and I need to keep going back to check the appropriate box in services if I am streaming digital files from my NAS, and vice versa.  Is this correct that both cannot be enabled at the same time ?


Yes, it is.
Before, it was possible to have all services enabled, but not all services were very clean in giving control over to the other. It was possible that while mpd was selected and in fact showing playing a track, nothing was sent to the DAC.


By making these services exclusive, Chris has made sure no such thing will happen again. Of course with the extra burden of selecting a service each time you decide to change.


Ive requested Chris if he can make that process a bit easier, and more obvious from within the MM interface, hope this will be possible in the next iterations of MM, or what comes next..


Cheers,
Marius
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tezza009 on 22 Jul 2016, 02:10 am
I did not have any issues with Shareplay with the way that it was - i.e. multi services on.

I normally use MPAD but now have to go into MM to turn off MPD and turn Shareplay on and vice versa. This is OK for me but an issue for the other users of my system who do not have the same understanding of how it all hangs together.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 22 Jul 2016, 06:07 am

I normally use MPAD but now have to go into MM to turn off MPD and turn Shareplay on and vice versa. This is OK for me but an issue for the other users of my system who do not have the same understanding of how it all hangs together.


Check, this is indeed an unfortunate result of optimizing the possibility of having all different services available on the BDP platform. Robust, but inconvenient.


Maybe Chris and the Bryston team can work out a way to have all the checking and releasing internal computer services done without having the user to think about that. Up the wish-list priority scale for certain.


I don't have a Sonore MicroRendu, which has comparable services on board. Anyone here that can share whether these services are mutually excluded and have to be selected per service, or can be used at the same time without the user having to adjust the settings?


Cheers,
Marius



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 23 Jul 2016, 02:48 pm
1.What specific tags on previously ripped music files does MPD recognize?  Anything beside File name (which shows up in the scroll I thin), Song Title, Album name, Artist, Genre, Track number, year, etc? 

2. For best results, with the music files on the hard drives, what should the folder that contain the individual tracks of an album be named, and what should the individual files be named? (this is in contrast to the tags).

3. Can the playlists on MPD be grouped into folders?

Loving the sound of BDP-2 and BDA-3!  I have attached one hard drive full of dsd rips of my SACD collection and another with rips of portion of my cd collection (all previously ripped into iTunes), and the internal HD of the BDP-2 has Hi Rez downloads.  I'm about the start the long process (with hopefully a few discoverable shortcuts) to create consistent tagging so I can begin to build MPD playlists.  I'm not ready to take the $2000 hardware jump to do Roon properly, and really want to have optimal sound quality above all (which feedback says that Roon still slightly compromises).

As a Classical and Jazz listener, I have used smart playlists to 1) group together various recordings of the same piece to compare performances, 2) group together the works of an individual artist (but perhaps performing with various orchestras or bands), 3) group together large cd sets (60 to 200 individual discs).  I'm really hoping that Bryston works out a way to one day provide a smart playlist feature.

David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dallyd31 on 23 Jul 2016, 05:48 pm

Yes, it is.
Before, it was possible to have all services enabled, but not all services were very clean in giving control over to the other. It was possible that while mpd was selected and in fact showing playing a track, nothing was sent to the DAC.


By making these services exclusive, Chris has made sure no such thing will happen again. Of course with the extra burden of selecting a service each time you decide to change.


Ive requested Chris if he can make that process a bit easier, and more obvious from within the MM interface, hope this will be possible in the next iterations of MM, or what comes next..


Cheers,
Marius

Would nice for sure if both could be enabled simultaneously.   Also would be great if something like the tunein app could be incorporated into MM for convenience.  Not sure if that is even a possibility though
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 23 Jul 2016, 05:55 pm
davidtgoh:
 Don't know if this will be much help, but I am very "Playlist" oriented.  So here is what I do.

  To the questions:
1.  I believe MPD recognizes ID3 tags with the exception of the album art which has to have a specific name; In my case it is folder.jpg.  In my ID3 tags ( created in DbPoweramp ) I only use Artist, Title, Album, Track, Year, Genre, Album Artist & I use the art which is in the same folder with the music tracks.

2.  The folder tree in my library is... Genre / Artist / Album. In the case of Classical the artist is the last name of the composer; Same in the tags.  I name the tracks with the track number prefixes 01, 02, 03 etc.  The track names in my ID3 tags do differ in that they do not include the track number 01, 02, 03 etc.  This may have been a mistake as MPAD gets the track order wrong on one of the search options; Can't remember which one, but I can live with that for now.

3.  Not sure about this question.  But what I do is create playlists in MPAD then save them in MM.  After that initial playlist creation process I may add new tracks, when I'm at the computer, using MM.  The Playlists I create for classical are performance type based: Ballet, Cello Concertos, Choral, Concertos for Orchestra etc...

  As far as comparing different performances of the same piece, I usually do that by creating temporary playlists on MPAD.  For the most part this is done to decide which performance will make it into one of the permanent playlists.  Though I do see some value in making some competitive playlist permanent though. 

  One MM glitch that is easy enough to work around may not be something that happens in every computer / browser setup.  In my case with XP and Chrome when I add a track to a playlist using MM then attempt to move it into the correct alphabetical location the sequence number does not change and the new track ends up back at the bottom of the playlist.  My work-around in MM is to... add the track, "Save" the playlist, "Clear" the playlist.  Then within the BDP network window open User / Playlists, right click on the playlist you just saved and open it in WordPad.  At the bottom of the WordPad doc you will see your new track.  Cut and Paste it to where you want it then click on the Save icon at the top of WordPad.  That's it.

     Hope this helps.  Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 23 Jul 2016, 10:01 pm
1.What specific tags on previously ripped music files does MPD recognize?  Anything beside File name (which shows up in the scroll I thin), Song Title, Album name, Artist, Genre, Track number, year, etc? 

...


Here is the definitive list from the authors of MPD:

https://www.musicpd.org/doc/user/tags.html (https://www.musicpd.org/doc/user/tags.html)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 31 Jul 2016, 07:14 pm
When using the front panel controls this morning and playing an entire album the unit was unresponsive ie none of the control buttons would work.  When i operated MM from my computer it worked normally.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 1 Aug 2016, 11:55 am
When using the front panel controls this morning and playing an entire album the unit was unresponsive ie none of the control buttons would work.  When i operated MM from my computer it worked normally.

Hi!

I am troubled by the same problem.

The Next Track / Previous Track buttons on the player don't work like they should. Pressing the Next Track button will sometimes skip a few seconds of the track but won't play the next track. Then you have to press something else, like Pause, resume playback, and then it will work.

Strange as operating the player through it's network interface works fine.

Any thoughts? Debugging the front panel controls perhaps?

I like to use the BDP-2 as a CD player so this is a problem for me.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 1 Aug 2016, 07:47 pm
Hi!

I am troubled by the same problem.

The Next Track / Previous Track buttons on the player don't work like they should. Pressing the Next Track button will sometimes skip a few seconds of the track but won't play the next track. Then you have to press something else, like Pause, resume playback, and then it will work.

Strange as operating the player through it's network interface works fine.

Any thoughts? Debugging the front panel controls perhaps?

I like to use the BDP-2 as a CD player so this is a problem for me.

Cheers!
Antun
It is intermittent on mine.  Also the clicking after it completes a playlist but also not every time and not as big a deal. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 2 Aug 2016, 08:37 am
It is intermittent on mine.  Also the clicking after it completes a playlist but also not every time and not as big a deal.

If it's intermittent, then it is impossible to trace the fault and that much more frustrating. As the Japanese say, it is either perfect or broken, there is nothing in beween.

It is a big deal for me as I use the player as I do a CD player. If I could use it's web interface, then it wouldn't be a problem. But I can't use it so it is a major problem for me.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 2 Aug 2016, 02:08 pm
Has anyone noted a lag in the display, i.e. the display doesn't always immediately update to show the track that is currently playing? I first noticed this with my BDP-1 and assumed that the issue was the processor, but the BDP-2 with a faster processor exhibits the same issue.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 2 Aug 2016, 03:46 pm
As the Japanese say, it is either perfect or broken, there is nothing in between.



Funny, I didn't see that in the Toyota Warranty Booklet :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Aug 2016, 05:46 pm
Has anyone noted a lag in the display, i.e. the display doesn't always immediately update to show the track that is currently playing? I first noticed this with my BDP-1 and assumed that the issue was the processor, but the BDP-2 with a faster processor exhibits the same issue.

There is a lag with BDP-1. Since it has no impact on the SQ, I don't OCD about it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 3 Aug 2016, 12:50 am
If it's intermittent, then it is impossible to trace the fault and that much more frustrating. As the Japanese say, it is either perfect or broken, there is nothing in beween.

It is a big deal for me as I use the player as I do a CD player. If I could use it's web interface, then it wouldn't be a problem. But I can't use it so it is a major problem for me.

Cheers!
Antun

Don't get me wrong the freezing of the front panel is a big thing the click after the playlist finishes is not a big deal to me
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Aug 2016, 12:52 am
Hi!

I am troubled by the same problem.

The Next Track / Previous Track buttons on the player don't work like they should. Pressing the Next Track button will sometimes skip a few seconds of the track but won't play the next track. Then you have to press something else, like Pause, resume playback, and then it will work.

Strange as operating the player through it's network interface works fine.

Any thoughts? Debugging the front panel controls perhaps?

I like to use the BDP-2 as a CD player so this is a problem for me.

Cheers!
Antun

Pushing the next/previous track buttons once per two seconds should trigger the player to go to the Nestor previous track.  Repeatedly pushing either buttons will cause the bdp to seek through the song.  This feature has been around for many versions of the firmware.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 3 Aug 2016, 04:19 pm
Pushing the next/previous track buttons once per two seconds should trigger the player to go to the Nestor previous track.  Repeatedly pushing either buttons will cause the bdp to seek through the song.  This feature has been around for many versions of the firmware.

Cheers
Chris

Hi Chris!

Yes. I am aware of that. It has been present on the BDP-1 as well. Still, I do not think it is that. Because even if you press the NEXT button in 5 second intervals, it won't skip to the next track.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 6 Aug 2016, 04:40 am
I just purchased a previously enjoyed BDP-2 and look forward to listening to music this way ,.its going to be a first ,.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 6 Aug 2016, 10:49 am
I just purchased a previously enjoyed BDP-2 and look forward to listening to music this way ,.its going to be a first ,.

Enjoy, it's a great digital player!  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 6 Aug 2016, 03:42 pm
I just purchased a previously enjoyed BDP-2 and look forward to listening to music this way ,.its going to be a first ,.

Enjoy your new player a fine one indeed
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 7 Aug 2016, 04:18 am
I just sat down to hooking up my BDP 2 and a Wyred4sound 2LE however to my dismay no USB cable of any sort came with my dac , nothing . Well I'll have to wait until tomorrow however looking at the Bryston instruction manual I don't understand all the ports,  I would like to use a USB cable from the Bryston to my dac , ,..........sorry for such a question , i need to learn about connecting cables and ports,  I do see a USB 2.0 , A To B  ,...whatever that means ,. printing cable that looks like what I need , connection ends anyway ,

.So my dumb arse question here is would I plug into one of the USB ports on the BDP then to the dac?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vonnie123 on 7 Aug 2016, 05:22 am
I just sat down to hooking up my BDP 2 and a Wyred4sound 2LE however to my dismay no USB cable of any sort came with my dac , nothing . Well I'll have to wait until tomorrow however looking at the Bryston instruction manual I don't understand all the ports,  I would like to use a USB cable from the Bryston to my dac , ,..........sorry for such a question , i need to learn about connecting cables and ports,  I do see a USB 2.0 , A To B  ,...whatever that means ,. printing cable that looks like what I need , connection ends anyway ,

.So my dumb arse question here is would I plug into one of the USB ports on the BDP then to the dac?

Yes, a standard USB A from the BDP, to USB B on the DAC (2.0) should do the trick. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2016, 10:52 am
I just sat down to hooking up my BDP 2 and a Wyred4sound 2LE however to my dismay no USB cable of any sort came with my dac , nothing . Well I'll have to wait until tomorrow however looking at the Bryston instruction manual I don't understand all the ports,  I would like to use a USB cable from the Bryston to my dac , ,..........sorry for such a question , i need to learn about connecting cables and ports,  I do see a USB 2.0 , A To B  ,...whatever that means ,. printing cable that looks like what I need , connection ends anyway ,

.So my dumb arse question here is would I plug into one of the USB ports on the BDP then to the dac?

Hi Rip

Also make sure you reboot the BDP-2 once you install the USB cable so the BDP-2 'knows' that particular USB port is an 'output' not an input.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 7 Aug 2016, 04:51 pm
Thanks guys ,.I just purchased a printer cable just to get by until I choose a quality USB cord . James Tanner to reboot the BDP is there a proper sequence to follow ?,....Should I install the USB cable with the BDP off then start it up then shut it off ?,.or install the USB cord into the port while the BDP is on then shut it off to reboot ?
Thank you ,.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2016, 04:57 pm
Thanks guys ,.I just purchased a printer cable just to get by until I choose a quality USB cord . James Tanner to reboot the BDP is there a proper sequence to follow ?,....Should I install the USB cable with the BDP off then start it up then shut it off ?,.or install the USB cord into the port while the BDP is on then shut it off to reboot ?
Thank you ,.

Hi

Does not matter what sequence - just restart once you have attached the cable.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 7 Aug 2016, 06:02 pm
Thanks guys ,.I just purchased a printer cable just to get by until I choose a quality USB cord . James Tanner to reboot the BDP is there a proper sequence to follow ?,....Should I install the USB cable with the BDP off then start it up then shut it off ?,.or install the USB cord into the port while the BDP is on then shut it off to reboot ?
Thank you ,.

Please see page 15 of the manic moose manual

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 7 Aug 2016, 06:39 pm
Thank you , ,...I have another question ,.currently the only source I have is the factory supplied flash drive ,.
Letting them BDP cycle through instead of a "U" under Bryston BDP 2 an "N" appeared ,..now I was able to listen to some of them content on the flash card however after the end of each tune I would have to select the next song and press play to hear it ,.I shut  the BDP off , pulled the flash drive out of the port then started it up again ,.once again the letter N appeared then shortly after Bryston BDP 2  appeared with MPD ready under Bryston ,.from there pushing arrows I got into the menu ,...I shut it off .
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 8 Aug 2016, 11:44 am
Got it , however the the letter N appears instead of U when BDP cycles through its start up mode ,.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 10 Aug 2016, 05:04 pm
James and Chris,

I'm getting the dreaded Error 09 all of a sudden.  (The lower number is 184, but changes).  I have unplugged power, CAT5, and all usb.  I let it sit for about a half hour.  I restarted with only power and CAT 5 plugged in.  Same Error 9 message.

This is a BDP-2, with older AES card and internal HD.  It was working FINE when I went to sleep last night, with (2) 4TB Seagate drives attached via USB.

What's the way forward?

Thanks!

David Goh
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Aug 2016, 05:41 pm
James and Chris,

I'm getting the dreaded Error 09 all of a sudden.  (The lower number is 184, but changes).  I have unplugged power, CAT5, and all usb.  I let it sit for about a half hour.  I restarted with only power and CAT 5 plugged in.  Same Error 9 message.

This is a BDP-2, with older AES card and internal HD.  It was working FINE when I went to sleep last night, with (2) 4TB Seagate drives attached via USB.

What's the way forward?

Thanks!

David Goh

Hi David

Got your email - thanks.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Aug 2016, 06:10 pm
James and Chris,

I'm getting the dreaded Error 09 all of a sudden.  (The lower number is 184, but changes).  I have unplugged power, CAT5, and all usb.  I let it sit for about a half hour.  I restarted with only power and CAT 5 plugged in.  Same Error 9 message.

This is a BDP-2, with older AES card and internal HD.  It was working FINE when I went to sleep last night, with (2) 4TB Seagate drives attached via USB.

What's the way forward?

Thanks!

David Goh

Please see page 14 of the BDP-2 manual, it should help determine whats failed.

http://bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/300030[BDP2].pdf

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 10 Aug 2016, 07:02 pm
Note that the link in the previous msg is not completely live. Clicking on then link will result in a page not found error. You need to copy and paste the complete text of the link into your browser address field in order to access the online version of the manual. :o
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 10 Aug 2016, 10:00 pm
Chris,
I emailed you my address to send me a replacement CF card.  I ran the startup and nothing locked on the DAC>
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 11 Aug 2016, 02:21 pm
I got a "crash detected" message in the dashboard screen anything i need to do?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 11 Aug 2016, 06:03 pm
I got a "crash detected" message in the dashboard screen anything i need to do?

Usually that means the BDP was attempting to rebuild the "Bryston DB" and something interrupted it.  It should go away if you reset the db from the media player settings page, assuming that's the crash it is referring to.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 11 Aug 2016, 08:00 pm
Usually that means the BDP was attempting to rebuild the "Bryston DB" and something interrupted it.  It should go away if you reset the db from the media player settings page, assuming that's the crash it is referring to.

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vonnie123 on 14 Aug 2016, 07:47 pm
Got it , however the the letter N appears instead of U when BDP cycles through its start up mode ,.


What does the N symbol stand for? 

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 14 Aug 2016, 08:34 pm

What does the N symbol stand for?
Apperantly it stands for network ,.not connected . This appeared instead of U the last three times that I used it . I just have to spend more time it , help is just a phone call away to Bryston . What I need to do is order Brystons Bot , that's my current technical speed . Plug it in and slip a disk in , well basically.

I purchased my BDP 2 used and the owner through in a Lacie mobile drive loaded with music I'm currently trying to listen to as I type this . The window of the Bryston shows an arrow followed by 949c-1847 below that is stop symbol followed by Loading... Well maybe I'll have it working soon .
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: vonnie123 on 15 Aug 2016, 05:41 am
Apperantly it stands for network ,.not connected . This appeared instead of U the last three times that I used it . I just have to spend more time it , help is just a phone call away to Bryston . What I need to do is order Brystons Bot , that's my current technical speed . Plug it in and slip a disk in , well basically.

I purchased my BDP 2 used and the owner through in a Lacie mobile drive loaded with music I'm currently trying to listen to as I type this . The window of the Bryston shows an arrow followed by 949c-1847 below that is stop symbol followed by Loading... Well maybe I'll have it working soon .

Thanks.  I have seen it pop up a couple of times on my BDP-1, and couldn't find it in the MM manual. 

FYI, if anyone is interested, Bryston BDP-1 works well with MoCA adapters (ethernet over coaxial cable) in Roon Ready mode. MoCa offers an alternative to wifi bridges or Powerline modules.  No doubt direct ethernet cabling is best, but the MoCA devices work very nicely. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 21 Aug 2016, 03:14 pm
Yesterday i noticed my BDA3 AES/EBU input was red and my BDP2 was on (green light).  Feeling the case of the BDP2 i could tell it was off so i booted it and i started.  Does this mean it overheated and shut down?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2016, 03:50 pm
Yesterday i noticed my BDA3 AES/EBU input was red and my BDP2 was on (green light).  Feeling the case of the BDP2 i could tell it was off so i booted it and i started.  Does this mean it overheated and shut down?

More than likely it was a hydro interruption.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 21 Aug 2016, 03:56 pm
More than likely it was a hydro interruption.

james

Shouldn't there be a code for a power dip?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Aug 2016, 04:19 pm
Shouldn't there be a code for a power dip?

Only if is relatively long - I find for instance when lighting hits close by and there is a short transient power interruption or serge I have to restart. A computer thing I think.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 24 Aug 2016, 04:46 pm
Chris,
I'm not sure you got my email.  I received the new CF card for my BDP-2 from Mike Powell, installed it, but still am getting Error 9.  Is there anything left to do except send it in for repairs?  If I need to do so, do I ship to 79 Coventry Street - Suite 5 address?  What would be the cost to install the newer AES card while I have it in the shop?  Do I need a work order number before I ship?
Thanks for all your help thus far.
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Aug 2016, 09:40 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player Award!

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149089)

2016 EDITORS’ CHOICE AWARDS: MUSIC SERVERS  $1,000 - $5,000


Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player

The BDP-2 Digital Player is a technological tour de force that bridges generational divides: between the Old World CD player and the New World of high-resolution files and music-library management.

The BDP-2 performs the same function as a CD transport, but plays data files from removable USB storage media at their native resolution and in a multiplicity of file formats. Compared with the BDP-1, the BDP-2 incorporates the same digital audio circuitry, but incorporates a more powerful system board and a correspondingly heftier power supply. Processor speed and memory capacity are both increased. Connectivity is expanded to include an internal SATA connection, an eSATA port, two gigabit Ethernet ports, and six full-current USB 2.0 ports.

The Bryston BDP-2 doesn’t merely “sound better,” the experience of hearing music through it is qualitatively different. It plays music with unprecedented purity!

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 26 Aug 2016, 02:13 pm
Is there a link to the TAS review of BDP-2?

 :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 26 Aug 2016, 08:39 pm
Here is the link to the Editors' Choice: Music Servers $1,000-$5,000

<http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/2016-editors-choice-awards-music-servers-1000-5000/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/2016-editors-choice-awards-music-servers-1000-5000/)>
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 26 Aug 2016, 08:43 pm
Here is the link to the full TAS review:

<http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/)>
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 26 Aug 2016, 09:45 pm
Here is the link to the full TAS review:

<http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/)>

Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Sep 2016, 04:51 pm
My BDP-2 is no longer getting an IP address.  Nothing has changed in my setup.

I've rebooted by router & switch but still the same issue.  Next, I transferred the cable/connection from my BDP-2 to a laptop & the laptop got an IP address however my BDP-2 does not.

If I look at the front panel display, it tells me that both eth0 & eth1 are offline and the light on the Ethernet ports are red (I tried both ports).

Any ideas?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Samurai7595 on 6 Sep 2016, 11:34 am
My BDP-2 is no longer getting an IP address.  Nothing has changed in my setup.

I've rebooted by router & switch but still the same issue.  Next, I transferred the cable/connection from my BDP-2 to a laptop & the laptop got an IP address however my BDP-2 does not.

If I look at the front panel display, it tells me that both eth0 & eth1 are offline and the light on the Ethernet ports are red (I tried both ports).

Any ideas?

I figured out my issue last night.

For some strange reason, my router was trying to assign the same IP address (via DHCP) to three different devices including the BDP-2.  Therefore, I decided to assign a Static IP address to my BDP-2 device.  Once I did that, I powered on the BDP-2 device and all was functional again. 

It's the first time this has happened to me in over 2 years that I've owned the BDP-2.
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Jhayman on 20 Sep 2016, 09:51 pm
Hi David, I'm probably late on this issue, but here it goes, I was having some error 9 issues and if I remember correctly, when you attach your hard drives to the BDP-2 it loads a little tiny file on your hard drive.
I deleted the tiny files and have not had a error 9 in a long time.
I think it's a boot loader the BDP-2 installs when you first attach drives to it, now I maybe wrong, but it worked for me.
Hope this helps, maybe someone else can chime in and explain better than I.


Chris,
I'm not sure you got my email.  I received the new CF card for my BDP-2 from Mike Powell, installed it, but still am getting Error 9.  Is there anything left to do except send it in for repairs?  If I need to do so, do I ship to 79 Coventry Street - Suite 5 address?  What would be the cost to install the newer AES card while I have it in the shop?  Do I need a work order number before I ship?
Thanks for all your help thus far.
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 21 Sep 2016, 12:51 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player Award!

 
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149089)

2016 EDITORS’ CHOICE AWARDS: MUSIC SERVERS  $1,000 - $5,000


Bryston BDP-2 Digital Player

The BDP-2 Digital Player is a technological tour de force that bridges generational divides: between the Old World CD player and the New World of high-resolution files and music-library management.

The BDP-2 performs the same function as a CD transport, but plays data files from removable USB storage media at their native resolution and in a multiplicity of file formats. Compared with the BDP-1, the BDP-2 incorporates the same digital audio circuitry, but incorporates a more powerful system board and a correspondingly heftier power supply. Processor speed and memory capacity are both increased. Connectivity is expanded to include an internal SATA connection, an eSATA port, two gigabit Ethernet ports, and six full-current USB 2.0 ports.

The Bryston BDP-2 doesn’t merely “sound better,” the experience of hearing music through it is qualitatively different. It plays music with unprecedented purity!


Congratulations James and company,. Just a note ,I don't know how much the BDP 2 contributes to the sonics however I recently added an .AC conditioner including new aftermarket AC cords to the BDP and my dac ,..All I can say right now is WOW ,.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 21 Sep 2016, 05:44 pm
I have also noted, if you want to hear what these Bryston Digital components are really capable of, upgrade the power cord and the fuses. And no need for esoterica to hear the improvement.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Jhayman on 21 Sep 2016, 06:14 pm

Hello Tympani, which fuses do you recommend using?
I've already replaced most of my power cables with PS Audio..
I have also noted, if you want to hear what these Bryston Digital components are really capable of, upgrade the power cord and the fuses. And no need for esoterica to hear the improvement.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 21 Sep 2016, 06:39 pm
Hello Tympani, which fuses do you recommend using?
I've already replaced most of my power cables with PS Audio..
Agreed i replaced my BDA3 cable with a Voo Doo vector a much bigger difference than i expected.  Better sound stage depth cleaner all around and dead silent background.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 21 Sep 2016, 08:54 pm
Anything under $100 worth checking out that will make a difference. I use stock power cables on everything.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 21 Sep 2016, 11:59 pm
I use Synergistic Research Red Fuses. Ridiculous prices, but ultimately worth the upgrade. Fuller, 3-D presentation. Other brands offer similar improvements over stock, with subtle differences. And at least with the SR's, fuse orientation makes a real difference. But I suggest upgrading the power cords first, before any fuse tweaking.

Regarding Power Cords, yes I have "drunk the Koolaid" and admit I am using fairly extravagant cords (Hi-Diamond P4), but I swapped in some reasonably priced cords from DH Labs (Power Plus, $240 for 1.5 meter) that I use in a second system, and they offer a substantial sonic upgrade from the stock computer-grade power cords on the BDA-3 and BDP-2.

Zoom, although I have not tried them, I bet even the DH Labs Encore, at $120, would easily beat out the stock power cords. DH makes solid, well-designed, high value stuff. No affiliation of course.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 22 Sep 2016, 12:49 am
Thanks. Will look into those cables you mentioned. I never got around to power cables testing as I'm never at a point where I don't feel the need for another component rather than accessories.

Do you plug your gear directly into the wall or a regular strip/conditioner/power plant?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Jhayman on 22 Sep 2016, 12:55 am

Thanks Tympani, I'm using Hidiamond H5 I think, also have some Nordost Red Dawn and Mit speaker cables.
I'll check out some audio fuses, I've never tried the stock power cords either, lol
I use Synergistic Research Red Fuses. Ridiculous prices, but ultimately worth the upgrade. Fuller, 3-D presentation. Other brands offer similar improvements over stock, with subtle differences. And at least with the SR's, fuse orientation makes a real difference. But I suggest upgrading the power cords first, before any fuse tweaking.

Regarding Power Cords, yes I have "drunk the Koolaid" and admit I am using fairly extravagant cords (Hi-Diamond P4), but I swapped in some reasonably priced cords from DH Labs (Power Plus, $240 for 1.5 meter) that I use in a second system, and they offer a substantial sonic upgrade from the stock computer-grade power cords on the BDA-3 and BDP-2.

Zoom, although I have not tried them, I bet even the DH Labs Encore, at $120, would easily beat out the stock power cords. DH makes solid, well-designed, high value stuff. No affiliation of course.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 22 Sep 2016, 11:35 am
Is it just me, or have we been accustomed (brainwashed?) to tossing the stock power cord when we open a box of new audio gear? And then using an after-market cord?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 22 Sep 2016, 12:01 pm
Personally wouldn't call it "brainwashed". I listen to my gear for 1-2 months, certainly well beyond their break-in period, before trying other cords (well, maybe a couple of sneak peeks before then). I want to know how it sounds as delivered. its the only way to assess the impact of swapping. And I have a bevvy of aftermarket cords sitting in a drawer that consistently don't help, and actually hurt the presentation.

As a general rule, I have found that digital components show the most substantial benefits from PC upgrades.

Re: Power conditioners, these have been a mixed bag for me, and other than for "protection" many of my components sound better plugged straight in. I use dedicated circuits, and a Running Springs Dmitri conditioner.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 22 Sep 2016, 12:19 pm
Perhaps a bit brainwashed; marketing and peer pressure/claims are powerful particularly in the context of an enthusiast pursuit.  Yet, many hear differences with power cords, cables, footers and other tweaks.  There is also the impact of expectation bias at play.

A tweak is worth the expense if the changes you perceive are worth the money you spent.  This applies to placebos as well (it matters not a whit if what you perceive is "real").

After all, it is a hobby.  A hobby's very purpose is to waste time and money.

With respect to power, I have found an isolated ground and a PS Audio PowerPlant regenerator to be beneficial.  The latter is an expensive bit of kit however.  I have had mixed experiences with power cords, most of which appear to do harm.

As with all things audio, try it and see.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 22 Sep 2016, 01:44 pm
Is it just me, or have we been accustomed (brainwashed?) to tossing the stock power cord when we open a box of new audio gear? And then using an after-market cord?
i've been listening to my gear for 20 years with stock cords and just now discovered how much power cord improve the sound.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 22 Sep 2016, 01:55 pm
Personally wouldn't call it "brainwashed". I listen to my gear for 1-2 months, certainly well beyond their break-in period, before trying other cords (well, maybe a couple of sneak peeks before then). I want to know how it sounds as delivered. its the only way to assess the impact of swapping. And I have a bevvy of aftermarket cords sitting in a drawer that consistently don't help, and actually hurt the presentation.

As a general rule, I have found that digital components show the most substantial benefits from PC upgrades.

Re: Power conditioners, these have been a mixed bag for me, and other than for "protection" many of my components sound better plugged straight in. I use dedicated circuits, and a Running Springs Dmitri conditioner.
I have found the same results with power conditioners however the Changs i have is one of the cheaper models.  I suppose a good power conditioner will improve the sound in areas where the power is poor in general.  I have found a dedicated circuit with #10 awg or larger makes more difference than a power conditioner and getting a breaker with the over voltage protection would be the way to go also isolated ground with hospital grade outlets.  Being an electronics technologist and an electrician its a relatively cheap upgrade for me.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 22 Sep 2016, 10:46 pm
OK, I guess it's time to move on from the "tweaky talk". But really, if your stuff sounded like junk, no one would even bother. I see it as a compliment and an affirmation of great design. :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 23 Sep 2016, 02:55 pm
OK, I guess it's time to move on from the "tweaky talk". But really, if the stuff sounded like junk, no one would even bother. I see it as a compliment and an affirmation of great design. :thumb:

Absolutely. Many cables are well-designed.    :green:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Sep 2016, 04:17 pm
Ya thats what is great about this hobby - so many empirical reports can not be ignored.  :thumb:

james

I would say you have to be careful of statements like that considering I would suspect about 95%+ of the population couldn't hear a difference between ST-> SST-> SST2 - Cube amps or between say any Bryston amp and other manufacturers like Emotiva, ATI, which are much, much cheaper. In those cases claims of snake oil could be used towards Bryston amps.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Sep 2016, 04:34 pm
I would say you have to be careful of statements like that considering I would suspect about 95%+ of the population couldn't hear a difference between ST-> SST-> SST2 - Cube amps or between say any Bryston amp and other manufacturers like Emotiva, ATI, which are much, much cheaper. In those cases claims of snake oil could be used towards Bryston amps.

Hi

I would hope that our customers - granted a small percentage of people - could tell the difference between our products otherwise there is no point to our products or our attempts to improve them.

jaems
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 23 Sep 2016, 04:57 pm
High-end audio is by nature a very limited market segment to begin with and the discussions above about wanting to hear a difference when one really can't be heard or simply doesn't exist with respect to cables also applies to the amps. I would wager that most of your customers claiming to hear differences actually can't under a double blind, level matched, etc. test which would further support any nay sayers who believe two solid state amps performing within spec can't be distinguished from one another. What is measurable can not necessarily be heard by the human ear so yes technologically amp A may be "better" than amp b, lets say SST vs cube but that's not necessarily going to translate into a listeners reality when un-swayed by word of mouth, positive reviews, newer is better, more expensive is better, heavier is better, etc., etc.

At the end of the day you have to choose to accept or dismiss it and just continue to do what you do and continue on making your products as good as you can.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 23 Sep 2016, 05:52 pm
Hi

I would hope that our customers - granted a small percentage of people - could tell the difference between our products otherwise there is no point to our products or our attempts to improve them.

jaems

Being in Mississauga, I'm surrounded by Bryston gear. You guys definitely have your own clean, neutral sound vibe that's quite recognizable over other hi-fi brands. I've owned Emotiva in the past and still own Emotiva products (DAC/Pre-amps). Emotiva is no Bryston...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 23 Sep 2016, 06:06 pm
Being in Mississauga, I'm surrounded by Bryston gear. You guys definitely have your own clean, neutral sound vibe that's quite recognizable over other hi-fi brands. I've owned Emotiva in the past and still own Emotiva products (DAC/Pre-amps). Emotiva is no Bryston...

Ayre...Krell...Bose...Classe...dCS...al l ain't no Bryston. 20-yr warranties.   :green:

Who's your Bryston dealer there in Mississauga? I know Bay/Bloor Radio does Bryston.

Out West here, there's quite a loyal following too.   8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 23 Sep 2016, 06:22 pm
Ayre...Krell...Bose...Classe...dCS...all ain't no Bryston. 20-yr warranties.   :green:

Who's your Bryston dealer there in Mississauga? I know Bay/Bloor Radio does Bryston.

Out West here, there's quite a loyal following too.   8)

I deal with Trutone in Mississauga and also Bay/Bloor in Toronto. With the crappy CAD and knowing there's always support locally, combined with the price/performance value along with 20 years warranty...it's an easy call.

Everytime I go Trutone, I always see the Bryston on the Solid Tech Rack of Silence.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/7/7b/200x200px-ZC-7b85d871_IMG-20130810-00027.jpeg

One day...



Also, side story and experience with Bryston. I also go to some stores in Hamilton besides those in Mississauga, Toronto and other standard spots in GTA. Depending on which place you go to, the dealer's markup will be different and they'll either praise or downplay a brand. With Bryston, I've yet to hear a dealer say anything bad. It's hard to fault in.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 23 Sep 2016, 07:36 pm
Yep, they've been around a while and are well-known in pro circles probably more so than with consumers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 24 Sep 2016, 12:11 am
Ya thats what is great about this hobby - so many empirical reports can not be ignored.  :thumb:

james
Do i understand you correctly,  are you implying that you do not believe cables matter beyond measured results? 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Sep 2016, 12:57 am
Do i understand you correctly,  are you implying that you do not believe cables matter beyond measured results?

No ... I am saying that if people are reporting differences then some validity to their observations has to be taken into account.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 24 Sep 2016, 03:18 am
No ... I am saying that if people are reporting differences then some validity to their observations has to be taken in to account.

james

Thanks James that's what i thought but after reading the snake oil comment above i wasn't quite sure.  I believe we don't have instruments to measure the same parameters that we can hear they just haven't been invented.  Early in my quest for high quality audio i had a hard time believing it would matter due to my electronics background but i came to the conclusion many years ago that we all know very little and the more you learn the more this becomes clear.  Reproducing sound with the primitive tools at hand is quite incredible and more complex that we can imagine. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 24 Sep 2016, 04:10 am
Thanks James that's what i thought but after reading the snake oil comment above i wasn't quite sure.  I believe we don't have instruments to measure the same parameters that we can hear they just haven't been invented.  Early in my quest for high quality audio i had a hard time believing it would matter due to my electronics background but i came to the conclusion many years ago that we all know very little and the more you learn the more this becomes clear.  Reproducing sound with the primitive tools at hand is quite incredible and more complex that we can imagine.

Aside from instruments, I often question if our methodology and test parameters are perfectly suited to study whatever that we are trying to study. Paying attention to one particular thing diminishes our central auditory nervous system's ability to process all the other massive amounts of information (stereocilias are always operational). Fatigue over repetitive trials is another thing to consider. Temporal issues are also a huge concern. How long should each interval be. How much break between intervals? Always good to mix up interval length in seconds, minutes (hours and days becomes tough to arrange).

For testing, often times I let things play via headphones (HD 800 and SPL/ambience constant) and listening passively without criticizing or looking for things. Often times, when I switch to other conditions, I can pick up the changes without actively listening. Not the most scientific, but from my experience, my brain subconsciously gets a lot of things right when it comes to long lasting preferences.

Just my $0.05 CAD. Anyways, back to BDP-2.

BTW Aside from cables, I've found my solid state rig to react to isolation platforms and materials. Often times, the result is not the most desirable or natural.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RipTorn on 25 Sep 2016, 01:30 am
Congratulations James and company,. Just a note ,I don't know how much the BDP 2 contributes to the sonics however I recently added an .AC conditioner including new aftermarket AC cords to the BDP and my dac ,..All I can say right now is WOW ,.
Well reading some of the responses I guess I must be wrong , I guess I'm not hearing a lowered noise floor along with the other Benifits that makes my listening pleasure even more enjoyable.
Retiring from the Chicago Symphony must of ruined my hearing to be taken in by this audio snake oil. Oh well

And by the way Mr.Tanner when someone pays you a friendly compliment at least have the manners to acknowledge it ,,,,However this wasn't the first time on Brystons threads ,...so long to you ,.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Sep 2016, 01:36 am
Well reading some of the responses I guess I must be wrong , I guess I'm not hearing a lowered noise floor along with the other Benifits that makes my listening pleasure even more enjoyable.
Retiring from the Chicago Symphony must of ruined my hearing to be taken in by this audio snake oil. Oh well

And by the way Mr.Tanner when someone pays you a friendly compliment at least have the manners to acknowledge it ,,,,However this wasn't the first time on Brystons threads ,...so long to you ,.

Hi RipTorn

Sorry - Not sure I understand?  Acknowledge a compliment?

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 25 Sep 2016, 01:01 pm
...And by the way Mr.Tanner when someone pays you a friendly compliment at least have the manners to acknowledge it ,,,,However this wasn't the first time on Brystons threads ,...so long to you ,.

I often have felt the same way in these forums. My observations that "tweaking", be it fuses, AC cords, footers, USB cables etc. can have such a profound impact on these components is a testament to the inherent transparency and musicality of my Bryston digital gear, and I consistently make that point. But such conversations are often quashed by cynical comments implying snake oil marketing and placebo effects. I understand that there will always be debate on the merits of tweaking, but to have company representatives join in the cynicism seems a bit short-sighted.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 25 Sep 2016, 01:25 pm
I often have felt the same way in these forums. My observations that "tweaking", be it fuses, AC cords, footers, USB cables etc. can have such a profound impact on these components is a testament to the inherent transparency and musicality of my Bryston digital gear, and I consistently make that point. But such conversations are often quashed by cynical comments implying snake oil marketing and placebo effects. I understand that there will always be debate on the merits of tweaking, but to have company representatives join in the cynicism seems a bit short-sighted.

I think it's healthy to be cautiously skeptical about some aspects of audio performance and tweaking. Green pens for CD discs, cable lifters that cost hundreds, etc. Not necessarily cynicism. I also think that if the user hears a positive benefit in his system, then all's good. It's a human pursuit, and as such, it is susceptible to human foibles. But there's nothing wrong with that. Music enjoyment is entirely subjective and so is gear acquisition.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Sep 2016, 02:25 pm
I often have felt the same way in these forums. My observations that "tweaking", be it fuses, AC cords, footers, USB cables etc. can have such a profound impact on these components is a testament to the inherent transparency and musicality of my Bryston digital gear, and I consistently make that point. But such conversations are often quashed by cynical comments implying snake oil marketing and placebo effects. I understand that there will always be debate on the merits of tweaking, but to have company representatives join in the cynicism seems a bit short-sighted.

Hi

If you mean cartoons and and sly remarks from me I guess I am guilty of that and if it offended anyone my apology.  I have always approached this hobby with an open mind and still do but many years of experience and undergoing blind listening tests has taught me to be skeptical because so many of these observations are affected by personal bias, and placebo affects if not outright commercial gain. I agree though to be dismissive or outright rude is not the correct approach but some humor on both sides I see as a welcome addition to the discussion.

I have no issue if our customers feel a specific product enhances there listening pleasure and I would be the last one to criticize their opinion but I do question some of the enhancements that promote pseudoscience and in my opinion makes our hobby questionable in the eyes of normal reason.

I have been warned by other manufactures to remain out of these forums and if our customers prefer I will refrain from offering my thoughts on these types of discussions.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 25 Sep 2016, 03:16 pm
James

I think this is a "tempest in a teapot". While I (and no doubt others) appreciate your offer, I on behalf of the others would prefer to decline your offer and have you continue to "speak" what you believe. The so-called "compliment" was pretty obscurely worded and I had to go back in the thread to try to find the "compliment". Even after re-reading it, it was not so obvious to me that it was meant to be a compliment. So I wouldn't flagellate yourself and punish other participants for not picking up on it.

Stay the course!  :roll:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Sep 2016, 12:53 am
James

...

Stay the course!  :roll:

+1
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tezza009 on 26 Sep 2016, 05:26 am
+ 2

The input from you James and from your colleagues adds so much to this forum
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Sep 2016, 02:01 pm
+3

If my comments trying to give a perspective from the "other side" are causing issues I apologize. I wasn't attacking Bryston or James simply trying to turn the focus from not being just a cable debate to being one that is also well discussed within the electronics side of things as well which Bryston is firmly planted.

I for one love my Bryston gear, I probably have more than most and have no plans to stop adding more and for the record I'm a person who hears differences in cables. Most of the time it's subtle but every once in a while it's dramatic.

When comparing a Kimber Kable Monacle XL to my Ixos speaker cables a few years back the difference was dramatic, much more than comparing my SST's to my SST2's when I later purchased SST2's. The amp difference was subtle at best if not non existent but the cable swap was like changing speakers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 26 Sep 2016, 02:05 pm
+10.

3 cables made a big improvement in transparency and clarity in my Bryston system:

Cardas Clear Beyond power x 2 (5.5-AWG net) on my 14B-SST2 and my Triton-to-wall connection.
Cardas Clear speaker cable
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Sep 2016, 05:13 pm
I think we are a bit off topic guys, perhaps you should consider starting a power cables topic
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MttBsh on 26 Sep 2016, 10:00 pm
I think we are a bit off topic guys, perhaps you should consider starting a power cables topic

After 82 pages I'm wondering... what exactly is the topic?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Sep 2016, 10:25 pm
After 82 pages I'm wondering... what exactly is the topic?

BDP-2 related things, I thought with a page about audiophile power cables that it should perhaps have its own topic.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 26 Sep 2016, 10:27 pm
Sorry, back on track.

Can anybody confirm diffs in SQ between BDP-1 and -2? Thru BDA-2, apparently.
TAS claims the BDP-2 has better bass and timbre.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/?page=2
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Oct 2016, 01:28 am
James

All is well in the land of 10,000 lakes. 

My evolution that got me to this point was first the Oppo 105D connected directly to my SP3 via the balanced outs.  I wanted more so I upgraded to the BDA-3. I honestly bought the BDP-2 to simply solve handshake issue I experienced with Oppo and wasn’t expecting there would be a significant differenence in sound.  Holy sh*t was I wrong.

The BDP-2/BDA-3 combo is absolutely amazing. 

The depth of sound and the clarity is remarkable.  When I bought my Kef Reference 5 I thought I heard details I had never heard in my favorite songs but I’ve spent the last 3 hours listening to those songs again and this combo showed me another layer I’d never heard before.  I hooked up the BDP-2 via an AudioQuest Coffee USB to the BDA 3, connected my NAS and was off to the races.  I thought I’d miss the interface of the Oppo but the Bryston Manic Moose web & i-device connections are seamless and actually better. 

Thank you for engaging me in my mad dash.  I’m happier than I’ve ever been.  Damn you guys know how to make a gear!

Kyle D. Jemtrud
President
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 1 Oct 2016, 02:46 pm
Nice feedback on bdp-2/bda-3 combo.  I have mine connected via aes/ebu and like Kyle I tried connecting via USB using the same AudioQuest Coffee cable. I find that the aes/ebu produces superior sound. If Kyle gives it a try I am sure he will be even happier.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 2 Oct 2016, 12:02 am
Chris:       ( S2.28 2016-06-28 )

 Borrowed an Ayre Codex DAC from the local shop.  Connected it with USB.  It shows in the "Audio Devices" screen as "Ayre USB Interface".  It is DSD capable so the I checked the box and the device shows in blue.   

 Now the BDP refuses to play tracks.  They show on the front display but when play is activated nothing happens.  :(

 Tried disconnecting then reconnecting the USB...Nothing.  Tried unplugging then a reboot...Nothing.

 When I connect the BDP-2 back up to my PS Audio PWD-II the BDP plays fine.  :scratch:

  Any ideas?

  MPD Log ( but probably after hooking up the PS Audio DAC ??? )

Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:11 : client:
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] opened from 127.0.0.1:55495
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] opened from 127.0.0.1:55496
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] opened from 127.0.0.1:55497
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:13 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 00:13 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 00:14 : player: played "BDP_512/Jazz/Tomasz Stanko/Lontano/01 Lontano I.wav"

    Thanks. Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2016, 03:33 am
Chris:       ( S2.28 2016-06-28 )

 Borrowed an Ayre Codex DAC from the local shop.  Connected it with USB.  It shows in the "Audio Devices" screen as "Ayre USB Interface".  It is DSD capable so the I checked the box and the device shows in blue.   

 Now the BDP refuses to play tracks.  They show on the front display but when play is activated nothing happens.  :(

 Tried disconnecting then reconnecting the USB...Nothing.  Tried unplugging then a reboot...Nothing.

 When I connect the BDP-2 back up to my PS Audio PWD-II the BDP plays fine.  :scratch:

  Any ideas?

  MPD Log ( but probably after hooking up the PS Audio DAC ??? )

Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:11 : client:
  • opened from 127.0.0.1:55494

Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] opened from 127.0.0.1:55495
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] opened from 127.0.0.1:55496
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] opened from 127.0.0.1:55497
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:13 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 00:13 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 00:14 : player: played "BDP_512/Jazz/Tomasz Stanko/Lontano/01 Lontano I.wav"

    Thanks. Rich

Are both the Ayre's and USB drive both plugged into either the front or rear USB ports?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 2 Oct 2016, 04:25 am
Chris:
 The Ayre and one drive are both plugged into the rear USB ports.  This was also the case with the PS Audio DAC and that setup has no issues.
 Plugged the Codex back in and here is the MPD Log.

Oct 02 03:51 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [X] opened from 127.0.0.1:40494
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [X] closed
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [1] opened from 127.0.0.1:40495
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [1] closed
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [2] opened from 127.0.0.1:40496
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [2] closed
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [3] opened from 127.0.0.1:40497
Oct 02 03:51 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 03:52 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:52 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:52 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:52 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:52 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:53 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:53 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 03:53 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:53 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 03:54 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:54 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:54 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:54 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:54 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:54 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BDP_512/Jazz/Tomasz Stanko/Lontano/01 Lontano I.wav"

 Where it says it played the "00 44Transition" track it did not.  The progress bar never moved.

 The [X] on the second and third line is actually supposed to be 0 but it did weird things to the post.  Guess brackets with a 0 inside are bullets.??

  Thanks. Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 2 Oct 2016, 10:22 pm

 The Ayre and one drive are both plugged into the rear USB ports. 

There's your problem, can't do that with Ayre products, something to do with how there USB dac works
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 4 Oct 2016, 12:54 pm
Chris:
 Tried using the unoccupied front USB ports for the Ayre Codex.  Same result.  Tracks do not play.  Maybe the front USB ports are low on power.  If low power is the issue the front ports would probably not serve the external drive that is now connected to a rear port ( SSD 500 GB in a bus powered enclosure ).

 Guess I don't need air any more...OOPS.  I mean Ayre anymore!!  It did sound good using a Squeezebox Duet via toslink; Very musical.

 Have to return it today so no more tests like pulling the external drive and trying the Codex alone in the rear ports.  Even if the SSD external could work on the front ports don't really want cables hanging out the front.

  Thanks for your prompt responses.  Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 11 Oct 2016, 03:21 pm
Hi Chris,
I emailed you on this last week - I received my BDP-2 back from Bryston's repair.  The Error 9 issue is resolved.  However, the "pop" between DSD tracks is back, something that you resolved for me by updating through service mode a few months ago.  My BDP-2 is in service mode as I leave for work - is there any chance you can take a look and update as needed?
Thanks so much!
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Oct 2016, 04:11 pm
Hi Chris,
I emailed you on this last week - I received my BDP-2 back from Bryston's repair.  The Error 9 issue is resolved.  However, the "pop" between DSD tracks is back, something that you resolved for me by updating through service mode a few months ago.  My BDP-2 is in service mode as I leave for work - is there any chance you can take a look and update as needed?
Thanks so much!
David

Hi David

Chris is off sick but should be back soon.  This is with a BDA3 DAC?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 11 Oct 2016, 04:19 pm
James - yes, BDA-3.
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 12 Oct 2016, 04:04 pm
5.6Mhz DSD

Will the BDP-2 and BDA-3 combo play back 5.6Mhz DSD.  I recently order Bill Evans "Some Other Time" from HDTracks, but the contents of the file will not show up in Manic Moose when loaded onto the internal hard drive of the BDP-2

David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Oct 2016, 04:57 pm
5.6Mhz DSD

Will the BDP-2 and BDA-3 combo play back 5.6Mhz DSD.  I recently order Bill Evans "Some Other Time" from HDTracks, but the contents of the file will not show up in Manic Moose when loaded onto the internal hard drive of the BDP-2

David

Hi David

The BDP-2 will play DSD 64 and DSD 128. 

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 12 Oct 2016, 08:11 pm
Just to double-check - DSD 64=2.8224Mhz and DSD 128=5.6448Mhz.  If this is the case, I should be able to playback the Bill Evans 5.6Mhrz file, correct?  However, whenever I install the file it (thumb drive or internal hd), only the folder shows, no files - but the files (individual tracks) do show on my computer.  Help?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Oct 2016, 03:36 pm
Just to double-check - DSD 64=2.8224Mhz and DSD 128=5.6448Mhz.  If this is the case, I should be able to playback the Bill Evans 5.6Mhrz file, correct?  However, whenever I install the file it (thumb drive or internal hd), only the folder shows, no files - but the files (individual tracks) do show on my computer.  Help?

Which version of mpd do you have selected under mpd settings?  You'll need to select mpd 0.19.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: davidtgoh on 14 Oct 2016, 05:24 pm
Chris,
Thanks - that is all it took.  DSD 5.6 sounds AMAZING!
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Gerard on 19 Oct 2016, 07:07 pm
I have a question about my BDP-2. When I opened the BDP for mounting a SSD drive, I noticed that there are 2 fuses installed. Could you explain why 2 fuses and do they have a different function?
Greetings, Gerard
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Oct 2016, 09:59 pm
I have a question about my BDP-2. When I opened the BDP for mounting a SSD drive, I noticed that there are 2 fuses installed. Could you explain why 2 fuses and do they have a different function?
Greetings, Gerard

One protects the standby power supply and the second protects the linear supply
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Gerard on 19 Oct 2016, 11:23 pm
One protects the standby power supply and the second protects the linear supply
OK thanks, when seen from the front, which one is for the linear supply?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Gerard on 27 Oct 2016, 11:49 pm
OK thanks, when seen from the front, which one is for the linear supply?

I ask this because I am currently trying different Audio-grade fuses in the BDP-2 (and BDA-2). But I have only one fuse of each type. Which one of the fuses in the BDP-2 is most relevant while playing music, F1 or F2?
By the way, the fuses with so-called Quantum Chips, like Hifi-tunes Supreme, really dramatically do mask details in the music... definitely not a good match for BDP-2! Preliminary results indicate that the Furutech fuses (without Quantum Chips!) are better in that respect!

Hope someone from Bryston can answer my question!
Regards, Gerard
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: OTM on 28 Oct 2016, 12:08 am

Hi,
I believe that is a personal choice that you as a listener Nee to try and see what sounds best with your system.

Many variables, which makes it fun.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Oct 2016, 10:50 am
Expectation bias should kick in with a vengeance, about now.   :eyebrows: :shake: :sleep:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 28 Oct 2016, 02:53 pm
Of course.

But like any placebo, the experience itself is real.  If you experience an improvement and it is worth the money you spent, enjoy.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 31 Oct 2016, 11:39 am
Ok, Bryston may be far ahead of me, but how cool is this...!
Thanks to Mafico I'm testing this setup in direct comparison at home.

BDA1+BDP1+Lg fake BOT1 versus BDA2+BDP2+BOT1 (the real one..)




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152804)

Thank you Bryston/Mafico !

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Oct 2016, 11:42 am
Ok, Bryston may be far ahead of me, but how cool is this...!
Thanks to Mafico I'm testing this setup in direct comparison at home.

BDA1+BDP1+Lg fake BOT1 versus BDA2+BDP2+BOT1 (the real one..)

Thank you Bryston/Mafico !

Cheers Marius

WOW - neat - should be very interesting.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 31 Oct 2016, 04:28 pm
Ok, Bryston may be far ahead of me, but how cool is this...!
Thanks to Mafico I'm testing this setup in direct comparison at home.

BDA1+BDP1+Lg fake BOT1 versus BDA2+BDP2+BOT1 (the real one..)




 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152804)

Thank you Bryston/Mafico !

Cheers Marius


Looks very nice! Throw in the BHA-1 experience as well in the bag. I'd love to hear back.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 31 Oct 2016, 04:38 pm
I've seen people mention changing fuses recently for the BHA-1 as well. I didn't know fuse rolling was a thing. I'm so confused.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 1 Nov 2016, 01:10 pm
^ I just put on blinders and enjoy the musik.  8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Gerard on 4 Nov 2016, 10:58 pm
I'm also finished with the application of esoteric fuses in my BDP-2 and BDA-2. They have a influence on the sound for sure but, when you have an allready well tuned audio system, the changes are not necessarily an improvement. In my system it is not an overall improvement, so I leave the original standard fuses in place!
But i am a little disappointed that the Bryston guys apparently refuse to answer my question about the two fuse in the BDP-2....
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 5 Nov 2016, 07:04 pm
Which version of mpd do you have selected under mpd settings?  You'll need to select mpd 0.19.

Cheers
Chris

Hi Chris,
My mpd is set to 0.19. I downloaded a sample 24BIT/352.8kHz file (MAGNIFICAT from 2L Nordic Sound). For some reason the bdp-2 is not playing this file. I also downloaded the 24BIT/192kHz version and it plays fine.  DSD 128 version of the same sample doesn't play either.  Is there another setting I need to turn on?

Thank you..



Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2016, 10:14 pm
Hi Chris,
My mpd is set to 0.19. I downloaded a sample 24BIT/352.8kHz file (MAGNIFICAT from 2L Nordic Sound). For some reason the bdp-2 is not playing this file. I also downloaded the 24BIT/192kHz version and it plays fine.  DSD 128 version of the same sample doesn't play either.  Is there another setting I need to turn on?

Thank you..

You need a USB dac like the bda-3 to play those files
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 5 Nov 2016, 10:29 pm
I do have the bda3 which is connected to the bdp2 via aes/ebu.  I assume those formats only work via USB then? Even pcm over 192 doesn't work with aes/ebu or coax?
Thx
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 6 Nov 2016, 05:04 pm
Chris,
I am sorry for my question above, I should have read the manual to see I need USB for dsd. So now I have my bdp2 connected to my bda3 via USB and aes/ebu at the same time.  A few questions:

1. I get sound only from usb1 channel on bda3, not aes/ebu.  Shouldn't both channels work? I want to be able to compare the sound by switching channels.

2. Via usb1 channel I am getting sound on pcm files over 192khz.  DSD is still not working, is there a setting on the bda3 for DSD playback?

Thx much!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 6 Nov 2016, 06:00 pm
Gerard, I have found the SR Red fuses sound great. I agree the Black "Quantum" variety are dulling. Once I confirmed the benefits, I replaced both BDP-2 fuses, and the single BDA-3 fuse. I had also tried HiFi Tuning Supreme, and Furutech, with mixed results (though better than stock). I would also suggest experimenting with orientation - rather surprising results.

Re: lack of response to your questions, this is a fairly tweak-unfriendly forum. I kinda wish there was a tweaker's thread where placebo-driven dreamers could babble on, without the risk of being shot down by level-headed scientists. :wink:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 6 Nov 2016, 06:05 pm
Gerard, I have found the SR Red fuses sound great. I agree the Black "Quantum" variety are dulling. Once I confirmed the benefits, I replaced both BDP-2 fuses, and the single BDA-3 fuse. I had also tried HiFi Tuning Supreme, and Furutech, with mixed results (though better than stock). I would also suggest experimenting with orientation - rather surprising results.

Re: lack of response to your questions, this is a fairly tweak-unfriendly forum. I kinda wish there was a tweaker's thread where placebo-driven dreamers could babble on, without the risk of being shot down by level-headed scientists. :wink:

This is kinda interesting. I would love to hear your and others' fuse changing and tuning experiences. Perhaps, start a new thread dedicated to all kinds of tweaks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Tympani on 6 Nov 2016, 09:26 pm
Hi Zoom, until there is such a thread, I would refer you to my previous posts which are heavy on tweaking. Cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: witchdoctor on 6 Nov 2016, 09:43 pm
This is kinda interesting. I would love to hear your and others' fuse changing and tuning experiences. Perhaps, start a new thread dedicated to all kinds of tweaks.

I had a fuse blow in my Monster HTPS 7000 PLC. I replaced it with a hi fi tuning fuse and it was worth the $$$.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2016, 10:56 am

Looks very nice! Throw in the BHA-1 experience as well in the bag. I'd love to hear back.


Hi,


Back with some initial results.

Let me say first that I've tested the new setup through a different connection from the one I use in my own setup. I've connected the BDP2 with its new sound card on the USB route, into the 24bit usb BDA2, which is the new option this set would be offering to me, compared to the BDA1 16b usb. I play that through the AES-EBU connection along with the many SPDIF and optical  connections for the various other devices, I didn't test in this comparison thoroughly yet. Both are played on the balanced inputs of the BP26, ensuring any differences are Source differences.

These machines would need to offer a significant step-up from my current setup, and that would have to come from the newly implemented techniques. No reason to only test the same setup for that matter.

I must admit it is not an easy task.... The bda1-bdp1 combo as we all know is built very adequately (...) and sound is very satisfactory to my ears. I'm understating here. It might miss several features we love to see in the new devices, but when all is connected and music is playing, well, I tend to forget the device and simply enjoy. Massively.

I do have several issues with playing the BDP in album and artist view, because of the Bryston DB not being able to use my library which surpasses the 20K tracks. Therefor I never use it, and have gotten used to never using it. (So much i missed this option in Roon, and ended that trial.)

The BDP2 is able to load the full library, but has very many wrongly displayed albums. Probably due to my own carelessness of tagging and providing correct images. So, there I have it: the BDP2 is a major step-up in that aspect, but i don't think i will find the courage to straighten things out (tempting myself here...)

Did I hear a significant step-up in sound/music? To be honest: no. The new set did sound a bit louder, but that might also be caused by the fact I tuned down my BDA1 a bit.

I've compared music on the 2 Bryston USB thumbs I have, on directly attached USB drives and on several NAS drives. They all sound magnificently and the BDP1 never showed any musical stress. Neither did the BDP2 of course, which has the better specs and the advantage of more power doing things simultaneously. Playing and copying files, or playing and updating the DB for that matter. BDP2 wins hands down. But that doesn't tempt me to exchange players, and spend several thousands of euros.

The Dac:
that is an ever tougher challenge. I can't hear any difference at all? Starting to doubt my own ears here. Of course there's the 24bit Usb connection. But that would only be useful in the above described setup. I wasn't tempted by that so far (hope to hear from you all for suggestions to pin it down), and my other sources are all 16bit, and so far justly provided by the other input options on the BDA1.

Were I to embark on the DSD route, I believe would have to opt for the BDA3, and thats not on the bench.

In short: both are extremely musical combo's of player and dac, and both sound very similar. I've yet to find music that distinguishes the 2 players /dacs from each other sufficiently to justify the price it would take.

Bot:
Sorry to say, but my fake below 50 Euro drive didn't lose from the over 1000 euro Bryston competitor. Enough said.

The Bryston Bot has got the looks (though it doesn't fit exactly compared with the wider Bryston siblings, might be just the rubber feet), but I didn't find any feature to justify that price difference, other than esthetics. Which are cool of course. What's not so cool is the fact that the LG fake Bot is quieter.... Luckily, the BDP2 should read the cd's in 1 read, and play from memory, rather than the BDP1, which has to read more often because of lack of memory.

Only strange thing is that on each BDP1 power, the cd in the fake bot is ejected :scratch:  A small sacrifice to be made i guess.

Sorry if this post is lengthier than previously thought, but they're merely my impressions for now. If any of you would point me to some game-changers you'd think, please let me try them. (I'm still hoping to find these and modernize the setup ;)


Cheerio,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 9 Nov 2016, 11:59 am
@Marius,

Thanks very much for your very honest comparisons of BDP-1/BDP-2 and their respective BDA-1/BDA-2.  Your remarks may not go down well with some (hey, it's the day after the Election south of us  :o), but your frankness will serve the community very well. I use the -1 series of both devices, and have not had any inkling to "upgrade", as I do PCM only. Your remarks cemented my affirmation to stick with the pioneer units (aka. the -1 series) and save my dough for more pertinent priorities.

Enjoy your music!
Cheers,
Pete
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2016, 02:43 pm
HI Pete, thanks,
Im still looking to find the progress, though as i write this, I've just updated both machines to their latest firmware versions, and can't get any sound out of them anymore. :scratch: :scratch:
MPD keeps getting disabled, and none of the audio device options is available...

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153195)

Don't know what went wrong, already disabled Ad Blocker Plus that kept this page form being displayed correctly,  but hope Chris would chime in to help get the BDP's back playing!

btw, appreciate your comment on the elections, the result of which will impact not only the USA, but our global society, so yes, we're all in it together...

---- edit: sound is back again, but audio devices page is still empty----

Playing Patricia Barber right now on both machines, one of my standard 'test' recordings, Mythologies/Morpheus. Trying to refrain from to many subjective adjectives, i could only describe a difference in the 1 combo having a bit lushier sound, and the 2 hence somewhat more analytical sound (really trying to word as precise as possible here).
Will play Shostakovich 8/Haitink and Parsifal/Knapperstbusch lateron again, just to be sure of my own experience.
Cheers,
Marius

@Marius,

Thanks very much for your very honest comparisons of BDP-1/BDP-2 and their respective BDA-1/BDA-2.  Your remarks may not go down well with some (hey, it's the day after the Election south of us  :o ), but your frankness will serve the community very well. I use the -1 series of both devices, and have not had any inkling to "upgrade", as I do PCM only. Your remarks cemented my affirmation to stick with the pioneer units (aka. the -1 series) and save my dough for more pertinent priorities.

Enjoy your music!
Cheers,
Pete
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 9 Nov 2016, 03:16 pm
Hi Marius,

Don't kill yourself with analyses and comparisons. That's not what hi-end is about.

One thing that befuddles me: why does Bryston keep releasing new gear like BDP-x/BDA-x when their in-house software to play/interface digital files through BDP-x is clearly imperfect. At least judging from the many posts here and on the Bryston support site re. Manic Moose and its many glitches.  :scratch: :duh:

cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BCRich1 on 9 Nov 2016, 03:54 pm
Gerard, I have found the SR Red fuses sound great. I agree the Black "Quantum" variety are dulling. Once I confirmed the benefits, I replaced both BDP-2 fuses, and the single BDA-3 fuse. I had also tried HiFi Tuning Supreme, and Furutech, with mixed results (though better than stock). I would also suggest experimenting with orientation - rather surprising results.

Hi,
Curious as to what the spec on the Fuse for the BDA3 is, assuming it is inside the chassis. I have been using the Audio Magic fuses.
Thanks....Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2016, 03:56 pm
http://notanotherhifiblog.blogspot.ca/2016/10/the-full-bryston-suite-treatment.html
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2016, 04:52 pm
http://notanotherhifiblog.blogspot.ca/2016/10/the-full-bryston-suite-treatment.html

Cool blog indeed! Some conclusions to agree on, some others to further go in to. Nevertheless a wonderful read. Congrats on that.

A miniature Dac was new to me though http://notanotherhifiblog.blogspot.nl/2016/11/bryston-bdp-pi-and-product-update.html?m=1, would you be able to tell us more about that James?

Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2016, 05:06 pm
Cool blog indeed! Some conclusions to agree on, some others to further go in to. Nevertheless a wonderful read. Congrats on that.

A miniature Dac was new to me though http://notanotherhifiblog.blogspot.nl/2016/11/bryston-bdp-pi-and-product-update.html?m=1, would you be able to tell us more about that James?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi

No plans for a smaller DAC - just a wish list from our dealers.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 9 Nov 2016, 09:39 pm
Hi

No plans for a smaller DAC - just a wish list from our dealers.

james


ah well, maybe this was not entirely accurate ;)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153205)


A BDP2 USB with a miniature sized dedicated DAC would be something special indeed. Maybe even an integrated device combining the two them in 17 inch...


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Nov 2016, 10:14 pm

ah well, maybe this was not entirely accurate ;)


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=153205)


A BDP2 USB with a miniature sized dedicated DAC would be something special indeed. Maybe even an integrated device combining the two them in 17 inch...


Cheers,
Marius

Ya he is just the president so he has no idea whats going on.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 10 Nov 2016, 08:58 am
;-)
this i why i love this board. Thanks James, you're one of a kind.


Cheers,
Marius


Ya he is just the president so he has no idea whats going on.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player - reusing Juli@ in PC
Post by: audiokiep on 11 Nov 2016, 03:21 pm
Does anyone know if I can reuse the Juli@ card from Bdp2 in Windows PC?
Are any special drivers required and are they available?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 11 Nov 2016, 05:50 pm
Sorry if this post is lengthier than previously thought, but they're merely my impressions for now. If any of you would point me to some game-changers you'd think, please let me try them. (I'm still hoping to find these and modernize the setup ;)

Hi Marius!

What you've written above only reinforces my own conclusion.

At one point, I had both BDP-1 and -2, at the same time. I was using the BDA-2 to do the comparisons. The BDP-1 was a late generation model, with the ESI Juli@ card while the BDP-2 came with the Bryston's BUC card preinstalled.

Now, I was listening to my own orchestral recordings, really reference-quality programme, and still, through the BDA-2, BHA-1 and Sennheiser HD800 combination which which I am intimately familiar, I could not hear any discernible difference.

There were moments when I thought I heard something new but switching to the other player convinced me it was time to stop comparing because my concentration was at it's end. This happened on numerous occassions.

I then stopped doing A/B comparisons and listened to a single track constantly. Noth that I heard something new, but I wanted to make sure I was fully familiar with it. But the results were inconclusive and once again I had to admit that for all intents and purposes, both machines sounded identical.

Coincidentally, I also had a Naim ND5 XS music player at the same time so I decided to compare it to the BDP-1 and -2. I was  concinced I would run into another wall but this time things were diferent. Not to give credit either way for this is not the thread for that, but Naim was consistently more closed-in sounding. Mid-range lacked a bit of the finer texture or tapestry if you will so the cello sounded a bit more abrasive than what I would consider accurate. Naim was also lacking some of the Bryston's atmosphere which I believe was a result of a restriction in the air frequencies. Top end in other words.

I brought the Naim into equation here to demonstrate that there can be differences between digital transports. But it is not as a big of a difference as people (or manufacturers) would like think. Sadly, it takes a lot of experience and patience to be able to tell these differences and contrary to what majority thinks, it does not come with equipment. Buying the product doesn't turn you into an instalt expert just like buying a Ferrari doesn't turn you into Schummacher.

Wow, it appears I DID have a lot to say about that! :)

As for the BDA-1 and -2 converters, keep in mind that both are essentially the same machine. They share the same basic circuit layout, the same input switching, the same discrete input stage before the DAC, the same discrete analogoue output stage. The differences are in the USB circuit and a choice of a different pair of DAC chips as well as some differences in the power supply. Similar design approaches in engineering inevitably must lead to similar results.

My dream DAC is a dCS but I could never afford to own one. The good thing is that the BDA-2 does sound wonderful and is as good of a DAC as I have heard it. Perhaps not as resolving as a NAD M51 or as dramatic as a Musical Fidelity M6DAC but somehow more convincing in the musical sense. I have no doubt the BDA-1 is just like that.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 11 Nov 2016, 06:56 pm
Thanks to both of you for the impressions.  :thumb:

The one thing that I was pondering about if I later on go for a separate Bryston stack for headphones, consisting of BHA-1, BDP-1, HD 800, LCD-s...with either BDA-1 or BDA-2...if its better to go with BDA-1 because its less fatiguing even if there is a decrease in resolution (but how much). I know the USB is better on BDA-2, but the AES though...incoherent rambling.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Nov 2016, 07:11 pm
Thanks to both of you for the impressions.  :thumb:

The one thing that I was pondering about if I later on go for a separate Bryston stack for headphones, consisting of BHA-1, BDP-1, HD 800, LCD-s...with either BDA-1 or BDA-2...if its better to go with BDA-1 because its less fatiguing even if there is a decrease in resolution (but how much). I know the USB is better on BDA-2, but the AES though...incoherent rambling.

If you can get a used BDA-1 from CAM or AudioMart, you will be in heaven, paired with a BHA-1.

As Antun said above, BDA-1 and -2 are essentially the same machine. Why pay a lot more $ for a -2?
 :thumb:

If you must have USB, then maybe a BDA-2.... but I use a Cambridge DACMagic bought cheap, for my USB applications. Gorgeous.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 11 Nov 2016, 07:53 pm
If you can get a used BDA-1 from CAM or AudioMart, you will be in heaven, paired with a BHA-1.

As Antun said above, BDA-1 and -2 are essentially the same machine. Why pay a lot more $ for a -2?
 :thumb:

If you must have USB, then maybe a BDA-2.... but I use a Cambridge DACMagic bought cheap, for my USB applications. Gorgeous.

Yeah I share the same sentiment. Same reason why I would rather buy two used BDP-1's over a single BDP-2 (used). On one side, there is the aesthetics of the Bryston stack, on the other hand there are other recent components in the pro world that have done a remarkable job with their digital and analog implementation. Jitter is lower around 0.045 picosecond for majority of the bandwidth in the Crane Song Solaris and the newer Avocet. Also, the Dangerous Convert-2.

Do you find the USB on your DACMagic better than the USB on the BDA-1?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gdayton on 11 Nov 2016, 08:58 pm
I don't think so. There are certainly some similarities between BDA-1 and BDA-2, but the AKM chips in the BDA-2 really do outshine the BDA-1. That's no insult to the BDA-1. After all, it is quite an amazing sounding DAC, but the BDA-2 is an impressive step up. The primary motivation for developing the BDA-2 though was indeed the high res USB input.

The gist of your recommendation though - that a used BDA-1 is a fantastic deal - is still spot on.

My 2 cents
-Gary
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 11 Nov 2016, 10:21 pm
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Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 11 Nov 2016, 10:23 pm
Hi!

Regarding jitter, it is one of the enemies that plagues digital equipment. But if we said it was the biggest enemy, it would be very far from the truth. Many other things come in play long before it becomes the main problem.

Many articles published in scientific and university circles suggest that anything below half a nanosecond (500 picoseconds) will have negligible effect on audio. As you can imagine, jitter is essentially analogous to speed fluttering in analogue recording and playback equipment. There it is quantified in percentages. But in digital equipment, considering very high sample rates of multiple thousands of samples being encoded or decoded in a single second, the effect manifests itself as distortion. A typical consumer CD player will have anything from 1.5 to 2.5 ns of jitter and even this is very difficult to hear and takes a trained ear. Much better are DVD players due to far more advanced error-correction systems designed to play video from all sorts of burned and damaged media. Yet as transports, DVD players do not sound significantly different from CD players.

Now here's the thing that IS important: noise. Digital clocking systems are mechanical devices that deviate. The more stable the clock is, the lower the jitter. But that doesn't mean you need to have a clock that will make a single mistake in a thousand years. That's important for - writst watches! For digital playback systems, the thing that is more important is a clean supply of power to the clock. A super-precision clock is useless without it.

Sadly, as with all things audio, clean power supply is what costs the most. That means shunt regulators and using them is expensive. Bryston DACs use these regulators by the way.

In the next few months the new buzz word will be "a femtosecond clock". Before that it was "DSD" and before that it was "24/192". But what do all these words amount to is a specification given by the manufacturer who makes the responsible part. So if I am a manufacturer of some DAC and use a DSD-capable DAC chip, I will happily say my DAC is a DSD-capable DAC. What I won't say is that I'm using a cheap switch-mode power supply to power the chip.

The whole market is one giant mess with literally hundreds of manufacturers. DOn't believe everything they say.

As for DacMagic, it's a lovely little machine! I always had a soft spot for Cambridge Audio guys since they were always so honest about what they make and don't charge too much for it. In all honest, I always found their 600-range CD players with Wolfson DACs spectacular and at that price, something of a daylight robbery. They are a great foundation for tube modifications too but we  can talk about that some other time.

Getting a used BDA-1 is a good recommendation. The Cirrus Logic chips used in it are common but I've used them in some tube projects and they were spectacular. I must also admit I like the look of those two smaller toroids better than the single large one in the BDA-2.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Nov 2016, 11:32 pm
CD player will have anything from 1.5 to 2.5 ns of jitter

Hi

The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock.

The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives.

In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 12 Nov 2016, 12:01 am

Do you find the USB on your DACMagic better than the USB on the BDA-1?

I've never used the USB on BDA-1, as it's on my main system which is in a diff room than my desktop.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 12 Nov 2016, 12:04 am
I don't think so. There are certainly some similarities between BDA-1 and BDA-2, but the AKM chips in the BDA-2 really do outshine the BDA-1. That's no insult to the BDA-1. After all, it is quite an amazing sounding DAC, but the BDA-2 is an impressive step up. The primary motivation for developing the BDA-2 though was indeed the high res USB input.

The gist of your recommendation though - that a used BDA-1 is a fantastic deal - is still spot on.

My 2 cents
-Gary

Thanks for this clarification.

Curious as to why Bryston used AKM chips on BDA-2 and not continue using the Cirrus chips of BDA-1?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2016, 03:22 am
Thanks for this clarification.

Curious as to why Bryston used AKM chips on BDA-2 and not continue using the Cirrus chips of BDA-1?

Better noise floor and lower distortion. Have a look at the measurements in the Stereophile review of the AKM DACs in the BDA 3 DAC. They had to adjust the measuring system down another 10dB to 150dB down as the noise floor was so low. The jitter on the BDP 2 is about 8 ps.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 12 Nov 2016, 07:52 am
CD player will have anything from 1.5 to 2.5 ns of jitter

Hi

The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock.

The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives.

In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.


Hi James!

You are right, of course!

However, I was speaking about transports and using a CD or a DVD player as a digital transport via it's digital output only, in connection to Marius' post about BDP-1 and -2 players. CD players don't excel at this usually even though there are exceptions.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2016, 11:21 am
Hi James!

You are right, of course!

However, I was speaking about transports and using a CD or a DVD player as a digital transport via it's digital output only, in connection to Marius' post about BDP-1 and -2 players. CD players don't excel at this usually even though there are exceptions.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi - OK I see what you mean and that info was courtesy of Bruce.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 12 Nov 2016, 12:03 pm
Hi - OK I see what you mean and that info was courtesy of Bruce.

james

LOL! No worries, this is a forum!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Pla
Post by: zoom25 on 12 Nov 2016, 05:44 pm
I'd be curious to know if you guys are able to get this one right. http://www.cranesong.com/jitter_1.html

It's actually a fun test, and it seemed easier on speakers. I was able to get the right answer on my first try without feeling like I was guessing. There was a feeling in addition to the sonics. The page after gives some nice Info as well. Dave Hill is definitely one of us obsessive tweakers that legitimately pays attention to things where others in the industry think it may not make a difference.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 13 Nov 2016, 04:11 am
I've experienced a crash once again after using the buttons on the BDP 2  I had to unplug the unit twice I guess I didn't wait long enough the first time is this being addressed in the next update?  I know others have experienced this as well.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 13 Nov 2016, 01:48 pm
Quote
I've experienced a crash once again after using the buttons on the BDP 2  I had to unplug the unit twice I guess I didn't wait long enough the first time is this being addressed in the next update?  I know others have experienced this as well.

+1
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 13 Nov 2016, 03:20 pm
I've never used the USB on BDA-1, as it's on my main system which is in a diff room than my desktop.


HI Pete,


The usb in my setup was mainly used for streaming Digital Concert Hall from the (usb out) Mac to the Tv and Sound system. Since DCH have several dedicated apps now, i don't need that anymore, and indeed never use the USB on the BDA1.


All Bryston dacs are great dacs. BDA1, well, its a classic for me, BDA2 has a better usb if you need it (with the BDP2 IAD that is a very useful option) and i feel i must save for the BDA3 now, because of the HDMI deembedder and better specs on the chips (though i fear it will sound just as magnificently as the BDA1, and the amount of inputs gone will pose other setup issues. Choices, choices. )


BDP2: my choice would be to go for the 2 if started from scratch. Better specs, bigger memory, faster processor, better Lan and powered USB ports. Same sound though.... so already owning a BDP1 with wonderful playback makes that somewhat harder to explain at home ..


Will make the effort though. I think Bryston might develop a BDP3 soon, so better wait for that
In the meantime i'll experiment/play with the Sonore/Raspberry family for a fraction of the money, and use the latter for my home automation in the same time  :thumb:


All in all, can't go wrong with Bryston, especially if you wait for the second iteration of devices.


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 13 Nov 2016, 04:30 pm
Hi Marius,

Agree with you on that -- if one is getting into Bryston digital for the first time, then go all out -- BDP-2/BDA-3.

Maybe a BDP-3 is in the works -- even faster load times, etc etc. I doubt however if the SQ will blow away BDP-1. Just a gut feeling.

For me, I can't justify $4K for a new DAC like BDA-3. Its jitter may be lower than BDA-1 by a few ps, but my ears can't tell the difference in my system. Very happy with my BDA-1; it often has a "presence" and warmth that can't be matched at that orig price point. Besides, $4K buys a lot of other things...  :drool:

I'm off the merry-go-'round as far as major upgrades go. Even a cubed power amp ain't in the works for me. Would rather test Bryston's 20-yr warranty on my 14B2 !   :thumb:

I'm just too jaded with the marketers and "new is better" assumptions. Would rather put trust in testimonials from experienced users who are just as jaded...but in a good way.
 :weights:

Enjoy the musik!  :dance:

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 18 Nov 2016, 11:20 am
Hi!

I think if there is going to be a BDP-3, it won't be based on an Intel solution. It will be based on the Raspberry Pi like the BDP-Pi. So it would be a completely different platform.

One has to keep in mind that the "IAD", as Bryston calls it, is essentially a BUC-1 circuit board fitted with PCI-Express interface to fit the BDP-2's motherboard. This is why the BDP-2 recognises it as a "BUC board". So unless you see Bryston coming out with a newer version of this circuit board, I doubt there will be a BDP-3.

I think the main reason why Bryston replaced the Juli@ board from ESI with the BUC board is an economical one. ESI Juli@ is an expensive board to make, even if the list price is 200 Euro. ESI sold a lot of these and they're based in Taiwan where raw materials and machine work are a LOT less costly, even though physical labour is far more costly than people realise. Taiwan is not exactly mainland China. In other words, where it is viable for ESI to make a lot of these and sell them with minimal profit margin, the Juli@ came as a significant cost to Bryston. Having a proprietary board built was more economical for them I think, especially when the cost was amortised with the BUC-1 USB-S/PDIF interface. That doesn't mean it's not better than the Juli@ however, even if I personally couldn't identify any discernable difference.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2016, 01:29 pm
Hi!

I think if there is going to be a BDP-3, it won't be based on an Intel solution. It will be based on the Raspberry Pi like the BDP-Pi. So it would be a completely different platform.

One has to keep in mind that the "IAD", as Bryston calls it, is essentially a BUC-1 circuit board fitted with PCI-Express interface to fit the BDP-2's motherboard. This is why the BDP-2 recognises it as a "BUC board". So unless you see Bryston coming out with a newer version of this circuit board, I doubt there will be a BDP-3.

I think the main reason why Bryston replaced the Juli@ board from ESI with the BUC board is an economical one. ESI Juli@ is an expensive board to make, even if the list price is 200 Euro. ESI sold a lot of these and they're based in Taiwan where raw materials and machine work are a LOT less costly, even though physical labour is far more costly than people realise. Taiwan is not exactly mainland China. In other words, where it is viable for ESI to make a lot of these and sell them with minimal profit margin, the Juli@ came as a significant cost to Bryston. Having a proprietary board built was more economical for them I think, especially when the cost was amortised with the BUC-1 USB-S/PDIF interface. That doesn't mean it's not better than the Juli@ however, even if I personally couldn't identify any discernable difference.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

If we were to look at a BDP-3 it would not be based on the Raspberry Pi.  We would want a mother board with many more capabilities than the current board in the BDP-2.

We chose to label it as a BUC board to be transparent about the hardware as to not mislead people

ESI simply couldn’t keep up with our demand and after months of delays we chose to repurpose the BUC’s electronics to fit the BDP-2’s needs

Like the BUC-1 the IAD uses a internal USB bus not PCI-Express

The advantage of the BIAD over the Juli@ card was:

BENEFITS:

• No reliance on the quality level of third party products or having to modify said products
• Improve the performance by hand selecting and testing all the components in house
• Eliminates 3 connection points
• Integrates the output module and the sound processing section into one circuit instead of two.
• The Bryston audio device is directly powered by the high quality linear power supply rather than the motherboard.



james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bicycle_john on 18 Nov 2016, 09:59 pm
and it sounds better....much to everybody's surprise who replaced the old board

:)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Nov 2016, 06:23 am
Hi Antun

If we were to look at a BDP-3 it would not be based on the Raspberry Pi.  We would want a mother board with many more capabilities than the current board in the BDP-2.

We chose to label it as a BUC board to be transparent about the hardware as to not mislead people

ESI simply couldn’t keep up with our demand and after months of delays we chose to repurpose the BUC’s electronics to fit the BDP-2’s needs

Like the BUC-1 the IAD uses a internal USB bus not PCI-Express

The advantage of the BIAD over the Juli@ card was:

BENEFITS:

• No reliance on the quality level of third party products or having to modify said products
• Improve the performance by hand selecting and testing all the components in house
• Eliminates 3 connection points
• Integrates the output module and the sound processing section into one circuit instead of two.
• The Bryston audio device is directly powered by the high quality linear power supply rather than the motherboard.



james

Hi James!

Thank you for a most elaborate reply!

So the IAD is USB bus powered rather than with PCI-X? Interesting! I didn't know that!

As for the BDP-3, I know you can't really give us a definitive reply, but do you feel there are some features that the BDP-2 lacks but you would like to offer?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 19 Nov 2016, 06:38 am
Wi-fi would be one.

Hmmm, maybe an HDMI out on the BDP-3 to send the video feed of MPD/Manic Moose or whatever else displaying the cover art along with other information. It would look especially nice on bigger screens/TV. Almost like a Roon experience. Could work well considering the BDA-3 has HDMI inputs/outputs as well.
 
Its settled folks, you heard it here first!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Nov 2016, 10:25 am
As for the BDP-3, I know you can't really give us a definitive reply, but do you feel there are some features that the BDP-2 lacks but you would like to offer?

Cheers!
Antun


Hi Antun

Just a a faster processor with more features would be the next logical step. 

The BDP products started out with a simple concept - 'design a dedicated computer and operating system to play digital music files at a state of the art level' - and it has morphed into a much more feature based product which was never my original intention.  So the need to add features has necessitated the need for more and more horse power. I do not think we will build in WiFi though as it adds to much noise.

james
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Nov 2016, 05:24 pm
Hi Antun

Just a a faster processor with more features would be the next logical step. 

The BDP products started out with a simple concept - 'design a dedicated computer and operating system to play digital music files at a state of the art level' - and it has morphed into a much more feature based product which was never my original intention.  So the need to add features has necessitated the need for more and more horse power. I do not think we will build in WiFi though as it adds to much noise.

james

Hi James!

Considering BDP-2 rear panel is now removable, do you think you will be able to offer some kind of upgrade path that doesn't involve buying an entire new machine?

There is one thing that concerns me though and it is cooling. The faster the CPU is, the more heat it generates. It will be interesting to see if a passive radiator without the assistance of active fan cooling will be adequate.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2016, 12:43 am
Hi James!

Considering BDP-2 rear panel is now removable, do you think you will be able to offer some kind of upgrade path that doesn't involve buying an entire new machine?

There is one thing that concerns me though and it is cooling. The faster the CPU is, the more heat it generates. It will be interesting to see if a passive radiator without the assistance of active fan cooling will be adequate.

Cheers!
Antun

Yes that is the challenge - the more powerfull the more heat dissipation you require and I do not want any fans in the BDP's.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 20 Nov 2016, 01:48 am
Yes that is the challenge - the more powerfull the more heat dissipation you require and I do not want any fans in the BDP's.

james

james,

how about fins like on the old B100 integ?

pete
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Nov 2016, 09:54 am
Thermodynamics is trickly business, especially with generators like CPUs as heat production changes from one second to the next.

One solution would be to use a CPU with as few nanometers per transistors as possible and that runs on a lower voltage rating but also, use special thermo-conductive filament between the core and the heatsink. Copper would be the material of choice for the heatsink core but the fins themselves would have to be aluminium. An aluminium top panel would be a good idea as well. SInce BDP-3 would inevitably cost more than the BDP-2, this would be preferrable to steel.

In fact, I'd feel a lot better if the BDP-2 top panel was aluminium as wwll. I live in  pretty humid and hot climate and it does get uncomfortably hot.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 20 Nov 2016, 12:43 pm
A top panel with slits/vents.

Strangely, the BHA-1, which REALLY heats up when cranked, has no such vents. Thermal shutdown can occur if cranked too long.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Nov 2016, 02:17 pm
A top panel with slits/vents.

Strangely, the BHA-1, which REALLY heats up when cranked, has no such vents. Thermal shutdown can occur if cranked too long.

Hi

Although it seems counter intuitive vents actually make things worst - a solid top acting as a heat sinc - works much better at dissipating heat than open vents.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Nov 2016, 02:38 pm
Yes! That's because vents decrease the effective dissipating surface.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Nov 2016, 03:29 pm

Considering BDP-2 rear panel is now removable, do you think you will be able to offer some kind of upgrade path that doesn't involve buying an entire new machine?

There is one thing that concerns me though and it is cooling. The faster the CPU is, the more heat it generates. It will be interesting to see if a passive radiator without the assistance of active fan cooling will be adequate.


The removable panel was added to the BDP-2 early into its production cycle for this very reason.  We did this because the lack of an upgrade path for BDP-1 users and by the time the BDP-2 was released the next generation of atom chips were already available.  The new chips were faster, required less power and ran cooler, meaning only a board swap would be required.

If you look at the history of Intel atom chips (or even Intel chips in general).you'll notice a pattern with each generation, they get faster and generate less heat. Just browsing today they have a quad core atom with individuals cores that are faster then the BDP-2's single core n455 and has a power disapation rating 2watts lower then the BDP-2's CPU.  No i don't believe any type of radiator or additional cooling would be required in a retrofit of a BDP-2 or a BDP-3 if when we make it.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Nov 2016, 04:32 pm
The removable panel was added to the BDP-2 early into its production cycle for this very reason.  We did this because the lack of an upgrade path for BDP-1 users and by the time the BDP-2 was released the next generation of atom chips were already available.  The new chips were faster, required less power and ran cooler, meaning only a board swap would be required.

If you look at the history of Intel atom chips (or even Intel chips in general).you'll notice a pattern with each generation, they get faster and generate less heat. Just browsing today they have a quad core atom with individuals cores that are faster then the BDP-2's single core n455 and has a power disapation rating 2watts lower then the BDP-2's CPU.  No i don't believe any type of radiator or additional cooling would be required in a retrofit of a BDP-2 or a BDP-3 if when we make it.

Cheers,
Chris

Cool! Pun intended! :)

So, one could argue that you can upgrade the current BDP-2 platform with the new quad-core platform you speak of?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Nov 2016, 04:36 pm
Hi Chris!

What's current BDP-2 serial number being manufactured. Just trying to figure something out over here.

Thanks!
Antun
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Nov 2016, 10:30 pm
Cool! Pun intended! :)

So, one could argue that you can upgrade the current BDP-2 platform with the new quad-core platform you speak of?

Cheers!
Antun

The next gen BDP could very easily be a quad perhaps even an octa core.  The utm that protects our support server runs an octa core atom with a tdp rating over 15watts (I think, that system was setup awhile ago).

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grant Hill on 21 Nov 2016, 10:49 am
Good morning everybody!

I did not understand if Bryston is planning a BDP3 or these are only conjectures...

Best!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2016, 11:15 am
Good morning everybody!

I did not understand if Bryston is planning a BDP3 or these are only conjectures...

Best!

Hi Grant

We are always looking for ways to improve our products but unless something comes along that offers a performance advantage it is just conjecture,  :thumb:

james
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grant Hill on 21 Nov 2016, 03:13 pm
 :thumb:

a nice improvement could be the capability to play Sacd's ISO files
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2016, 03:14 pm
:thumb:

a nice improvement could be the capability to play Sacd's ISO files

Hi Grant

No that would mean a non Redbook CD drive and we wanted to optimize for standard CDs.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grant Hill on 21 Nov 2016, 04:30 pm
Hi James,

I think you're talking about Cd player... I was referring to BDP, no drives are involved.

Now it's possible to extracd Iso file from sacds using common Blue ray players like Pioneer and Oppo. That's why it would be useful to play them on a digital player skipping the BR drivers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Nov 2016, 05:31 pm
Hi James,

I think you're talking about Cd player... I was referring to BDP, no drives are involved.

Now it's possible to extracd Iso file from sacds using common Blue ray players like Pioneer and Oppo. That's why it would be useful to play them on a digital player skipping the BR drivers

Oh - sorry - misunderstood - juggling too many threads ! :duh:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 22 Nov 2016, 06:57 am
HI Chris,


previously i thought it was only the BDP1 that threw out the cd at each bootup of the BDP, and that is might have been caused by my fake Bot..


But the BDP2-Bot combo does exactly the same: on each BDP boot the Bot is also acting up and finally throws out the cd. Which is kind of unnecessary to say the least.
Is it possible to just keep it quiet and keep the cd loaded?


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 25 Nov 2016, 08:52 pm
I've experienced a crash once again after using the buttons on the BDP 2  I had to unplug the unit twice I guess I didn't wait long enough the first time is this being addressed in the next update?  I know others have experienced this as well.
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Chris or James is there a fix in the works for this I had to reboot both the player and the da it's getting frustrating.   Multiple cold boots and it now doesn't come back on my network .  Plays with usb but will not play spdif
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 26 Nov 2016, 03:24 pm


I have seen mention of it on the forum,but I've never been able to get the front panel controls to lock up.  In regards to the BDP not showing up on the network, I assume your referring to windows or Mac not listing it as discovered network device? If this is the case you should simply try connector the BDP directly using the assigned IP address.

In Windows enter the IP address in an explorer window
//<BDP IP address>/

On Mac go to finder, go menu, connect to server and enter
smb://<BDP IP address>

I might be using the wrong slashes
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 26 Nov 2016, 05:23 pm

I have seen mention of it on the forum,but I've never been able to get the front panel controls to lock up.  In regards to the BDP not showing up on the network, I assume your referring to windows or Mac not listing it as discovered network device? If this is the case you should simply try connector the BDP directly using the assigned IP address.

In Windows enter the IP address in an explorer window
//<BDP IP address>/



On Mac go to finder, go menu, connect to server and enter
smb://<BDP IP address>

I might be using the wrong slashes

Thanks for the reply i got it back up again after a number of reboots it came back on my windows network and the its working again.  In this case i selected a DSD file and USB 1 (on the BDA3) and played the album briefly,  interrupted it by pressing stop, then selected the AES input and tried to play a flac file and total lock up.  I then tried to operated it via my ipad and router with no luck. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 26 Nov 2016, 05:53 pm
So I bought my BDP-1 when they first came out and I think I upgraded my firmware after the first update was published.  Stuff runs ok, should I update my firmware?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 26 Nov 2016, 06:23 pm
So I bought my BDP-1 when they first came out and I think I upgraded my firmware after the first update was published.  Stuff runs ok, should I update my firmware?

Are you on Manic Moose?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 27 Nov 2016, 05:10 am
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Are you on Manic Moose?
Don't know - how do I find out.  It's been a while.

Thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 1 Dec 2016, 03:54 pm
Thanks for the reply i got it back up again after a number of reboots it came back on my windows network and the its working again.  In this case i selected a DSD file and USB 1 (on the BDA3) and played the album briefly,  interrupted it by pressing stop, then selected the AES input and tried to play a flac file and total lock up.  I then tried to operated it via my ipad and router with no luck.


I do recognize the lockups, and also some other issue related to the fp. Often i can press the buttons, and the screen indicates lets say a drive selection, but pressing play doesn't do anything, nor does any other. In other words i can browse the menu, but when it comes to a final action, there the famous black Bryston background.... BDP2 seems to be more prone to this, but that might also be related to the fact that my BDP2 won't update the library to an end, end always displays the blue Update i the main screen.


Ive already disabled the Bryston Db, saved and reset the DB, but to no avail. It just went finish the 2 network drives I've connected it to. It does read them (so has right to do so, no issue there) and shows all folders in red.


Too bad really, cause because of this, i cant compare any of the other performance improvements it would have over the BDp1.


Also, like reported before, after each and every reboot, MPD is disabled, and MM signals to check settings.


Should i reset it to factory and try all over Chris, five got the latest beta build installed, as on my BDP1. No issues there.


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 2 Dec 2016, 04:33 am
Looking for a NAS for my BDP-1 and was wondering what people were using and making them happy.

Thanks!

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 2 Dec 2016, 07:00 am
I use QNAP HS-251 with WD RED hdd
Fanless design and very quiet drives allows to keep it in my living room without being disturbed by spin or fan noise
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 2 Dec 2016, 02:59 pm
Looking for a NAS for my BDP-1 and was wondering what people were using and making them happy.

Thanks!

Mike

wdmycloud at work, works well with the BDP-1 & 2, the BDP-Pi seems to require login credentials
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 2 Dec 2016, 07:31 pm
I use QNAP HS-251 with WD RED hdd
Fanless design and very quiet drives allows to keep it in my living room without being disturbed by spin or fan noise

Thank you!  How long have you had it?  Are you using raid?  How many drives.  Is it plugged into the BDP via usb or network?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 2 Dec 2016, 07:32 pm
wdmycloud at work, works well with the BDP-1 & 2, the BDP-Pi seems to require login credentials

Are you attached via usb or network?  Also, how many drives and are you using raid?

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 3 Dec 2016, 08:10 am
Thank you!  How long have you had it?  Are you using raid?  How many drives.  Is it plugged into the BDP via usb or network?
Hi

I have QNAP NAS for almost a year.
Before I had a Zyxel NAS. This one was noisy due to the fan design but at that moment was not a problem because I could keep it in a dressing far from my listening area. When I moved I looked for a fanless design.

As storage and backup, on NAS I use Raid 0 to create a single space for storing my music. For redundancy I use backup copy on my PC and also on USB hdd.

I use it in network, wired to my router, I don't think can work as USB storage device. 

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Dec 2016, 03:48 pm
Thank you!  How long have you had it?  Are you using raid?  How many drives.  Is it plugged into the BDP via usb or network?

The mycloud drives is western digitals line of nas (network) drives.  I use the single drive solution and backup the music to a desktop computer. You should avoid relying on a raid 1 mirror as your primary method of backup, it won't protect you from filesystem corruption, accidental deletion/reformatting, or someone knocking over your NAS.  Some more advance NAS's like the synology have the ability to perform backups to a USB drive, depending on how technicaly savvy you are this could be over your head.  This is one of the reasons i like to recommend the mycloud's, they are one of the simplest NAS's to use (in my opinion).

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 5 Dec 2016, 08:08 pm
The mycloud drives is western digitals line of nas (network) drives.  I use the single drive solution and backup the music to a desktop computer. You should avoid relying on a raid 1 mirror as your primary method of backup, it won't protect you from filesystem corruption, accidental deletion/reformatting, or someone knocking over your NAS.  Some more advance NAS's like the synology have the ability to perform backups to a USB drive, depending on how technicaly savvy you are this could be over your head.  This is one of the reasons i like to recommend the mycloud's, they are one of the simplest NAS's to use (in my opinion).

Cheers,
Chris

Thanks for the info.  I do a lot of networking so the technology will not be an issue for me.  Right now I have a single HDD plugged into the BDP-1 via USB.  The NAS is attractive to me because then I can put all of my media files on it that are used by various people and programs and move it into my computer lab.  I'm looking at raid-5.  We share the same thoughts about raid-1.

One point that I need help understanding.  My BDP-1 is on my internal wired network and if my NAS is on the same network, it should be visible to the player, right?  Are there bad sonic consequences using a NAS like this?

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 5 Dec 2016, 08:27 pm
Thanks for the info.  I do a lot of networking so the technology will not be an issue for me.  Right now I have a single HDD plugged into the BDP-1 via USB.  The NAS is attractive to me because then I can put all of my media files on it that are used by various people and programs and move it into my computer lab.  I'm looking at raid-5.  We share the same thoughts about raid-1.

One point that I need help understanding.  My BDP-1 is on my internal wired network and if my NAS is on the same network, it should be visible to the player, right?  Are there bad sonic consequences using a NAS like this?

Thanks,

Mike

You should really test it out for yourself. I didn't like the sound coming from a network. Plugged directly in is the best. Portable hard drives powered from the BDP-1 directly were better over network. This is apparently followed by SSD (which I haven't tried with the BDP-1), and then further improved by using thumb drives.

I can confirm that the thumb drives were better sounding than my portable WD hard drive. Lots more comment on the 'BDP-2 Performance' thread. I really didn't want it to turn out that way because I have a large library that easily fit on the 2TB hard drive. Now I have to figure out a way to split stuff up over time. Too late to go back, cannot un-hear it.

Try it for yourself, preferably in a long uninterrupted session on each method and then after a few hours go nuts with A/B...but make sure to first get used to the subtle changes.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 5 Dec 2016, 09:13 pm
I tried accessing my music from the network with my BDP-1 and wasn't happy with the results (drop-outs). It was probably my network which is stuck together with HomePlugs to reach my music equipment. Currently, with my BDP-2, I am using a Hitachi external USB plugged directly into it and I also have a backup copy of all the music attached to my server, to access from other devices.

I echo the comments about not relying wholly on RAID 1. I have been running Intel RAID on my desktops for a long, long time and have had very few problems. BUT, one time the RAID setup lost its configuration information and I could not restore it. There is NO substitute for regular, frequent backups.

HTH
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 6 Dec 2016, 03:50 pm
The mycloud drives is western digitals line of nas (network) drives.  I use the single drive solution and backup the music to a desktop computer. You should avoid relying on a raid 1 mirror as your primary method of backup, it won't protect you from filesystem corruption, accidental deletion/reformatting, or someone knocking over your NAS.  Some more advance NAS's like the synology have the ability to perform backups to a USB drive, depending on how technicaly savvy you are this could be over your head.  This is one of the reasons i like to recommend the mycloud's, they are one of the simplest NAS's to use (in my opinion).

Cheers,
Chris

As an FYI, the MyCloud does this as well; provide regular, unattended backup-ups to an attached USB drive or another NAS (doesn't even have to be a MyCloud). Nice feature.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 8 Dec 2016, 08:50 pm
First, thank you everyone who shared their NAS thoughts and experiences with me.  I decided on a 5 by Synology NAS.  I have a good friend who has one, but his is an 8 bay.  I got the 4 TB drives and the 4 GIG memory expansion upgrade.  I'll post my experiences as maybe that will help someone going forward.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 8 Dec 2016, 09:01 pm
Bryston DB Crash Detected  This is the error message I get a lot whenever I open up the control panel.  I have a BDP-1.  Is this something I need to attend to?

Also, I noticed that I can only get 300 songs total when adding songs to play using the Media Player.  Is this the limitation. 

Finally when I go to anything other than my music folder to get a sort by genre or artist  I get this message: Sorting music into Bryston DB Please visit the Artist View for real time updates.  When I go to the Artist View, I keep cycling through a message that says: Sorting Music into Bryston DB and it never ends.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Dec 2016, 09:07 pm
Bryston DB Crash Detected  This is the error message I get a lot whenever I open up the control panel.  I have a BDP-1.  Is this something I need to attend to?

Also, I noticed that I can only get 300 songs total when adding songs to play using the Media Player.  Is this the limitation. 

Finally when I go to anything other than my music folder to get a sort by genre or artist  I get this message: Sorting music into Bryston DB Please visit the Artist View for real time updates.  When I go to the Artist View, I keep cycling through a message that says: Sorting Music into Bryston DB and it never ends.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

Mike

Hi Mike

I will let Chris answer but I think you have approached the limitations of the BDP-1 processing power.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Wapiti on 9 Dec 2016, 12:45 am
. . . can only get 300 songs total when adding songs to play . . .
"Only" 300? :)

I generally find 15 to 20 hours of playing time sufficient for a single sitting.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 9 Dec 2016, 01:32 am
*choke*  15-20 hrs?

Where's that tube of Preparation H?   :shake:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 9 Dec 2016, 02:18 am

Also, I noticed that I can only get 300 songs total when adding songs to play using the Media Player.  Is this the limitation. 


See the settings for the Music Player Daemon. it's at the top - it can be changed, but Chris will have to answer what the limits are for the BDP-1.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Dec 2016, 01:06 pm
"Only" 300? :)

I generally find 15 to 20 hours of playing time sufficient for a single sitting.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf#page18

Page 18

Feel free to increase it
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: OTM on 9 Dec 2016, 01:42 pm
And as I was reminded once, after changing the playlist size don't forget to press the apply or save button
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 9 Dec 2016, 08:09 pm
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf#page18

Page 18

Feel free to increase it

Got it, thanks!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 10 Dec 2016, 05:04 pm
When I go to anything other than my music folder to get a sort by genre or artist  I get this message: Sorting music into Bryston DB Please visit the Artist View for real time updates.  When I go to the Artist View, I keep cycling through a message that says: Sorting Music into Bryston DB and it never ends.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 11 Dec 2016, 08:25 am
When I go to anything other than my music folder to get a sort by genre or artist  I get this message: Sorting music into Bryston DB Please visit the Artist View for real time updates.  When I go to the Artist View, I keep cycling through a message that says: Sorting Music into Bryston DB and it never ends.


You're not alone....
Have disabled the Bryston DB on my BDP1 for that reason altogether , and since i never browse my library like that, I don't really miss it. Sort by artist, is taken care of browsing by folder, sort by genre too, since I've organized my library like that  :thumb:


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Dec 2016, 12:40 pm

You're not alone....
Have disabled the Bryston DB on my BDP1 for that reason altogether , and since i never browse my library like that, I don't really miss it. Sort by artist, is taken care of browsing by folder, sort by genre too, since I've organized my library like that  :thumb:


Cheers,
Marius

Same here. I never cared for cover art, search engines, etc., just as long as the music plays back beautifully, I'm content with my BDP-1.

One would think that a software program could be designed to function across the board to do these things smoothly. Heck, if they can send an unmanned probe to Mars and Jupiter..... 8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Dec 2016, 06:00 pm

One would think that a software program could be designed to function across the board to do these things smoothly. Heck, if they can send an unmanned probe to Mars and Jupiter..... 8)


IMO, despite the many problems I've had with Manic Moose in the past (all documented on this forum), I would say things are working really well.

Of course, that's with my curated collection: carefully tagged FLAC files, all containing an album artist, with multi-disc albums separated into separate sub-folders, with carefully sized/embedded art work, all special characters removed from file and folder names, duplicate album names pre-fixed with the artist's name (e.g. Greatest Hits becomes "ZZ Top - Greatest Hits), et al.

I have a dedicated version of my library for use with streamers, curated as described above.

On the other hand, my iTunes library is all AIFF with multi-disc albums collected together, etc., and when I try using that library with MPD I have all sorts of problems (e.g. track ordering issues, many albums will not be parsed, metadata-wise...). I have been tempted to try this again, as new newer MM betas are using an updated version of MPD and it may be that these problems are resolved.

But I am so loving the sound of my FLAC files on my Corsair FLASH drives that I don't want to mess around with any of this any more and am spending my time just listening to music ... imagine that  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Dec 2016, 06:36 pm

But I am so loving the sound of my FLAC files on my Corsair FLASH drives that I don't want to mess around with any of this any more and am spending my time just listening to music ... imagine that  :thumb:

In the Beginning.....(play R. Strauss' Also Sprach Zarasthustra/Karajan/Berlin Phil)   :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154785)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 21 Dec 2016, 08:39 pm
I've successfully attached a Synology NAS to my BDP-1 and I can't tell the difference between the USB and NAS.  I've disconnected the USB and am just using the NAS now.

So, I would like to say that this feature really rocks.  I know I'm late to the party on this one, but it's really great to be able to move my music collection over to something with more industrial strength and  redundancy to protect my investment in music all the way keeping the music sounding good.  So thank you very much everyone at Bryston.  I did not have to spend one penny more on the Bryston end which just adds value to the brand.

One follow up question.  Do I really need a scratch drive?  I was thinking I could disconnect all of the drives I have plugged in to the back of the unit and stick with the NAS.  I looked around and there does not seem to be a way to make a folder on the NAS the scratch drive.

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Dec 2016, 08:47 pm
I've successfully attached a Synology NAS to my BDP-1 and I can't tell the difference between the USB and NAS.  I've disconnected the USB and am just using the NAS now.

So, I would like to say that this feature really rocks.  I know I'm late to the party on this one, but it's really great to be able to move my music collection over to something with more industrial strength and  redundancy to protect my investment in music all the way keeping the music sounding good.  So thank you very much everyone at Bryston.  I did not have to spend one penny more on the Bryston end which just adds value to the brand.

One follow up question.  Do I really need a scratch drive?  I was thinking I could disconnect all of the drives I have plugged in to the back of the unit and stick with the NAS.  I looked around and there does not seem to be a way to make a folder on the NAS the scratch drive.

Mike

Hi Mike

That's a Chris question for sure - he is on holidays but Chris is a workaholic so he may see this.  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: OTM on 22 Dec 2016, 12:51 am
Isn't that like calling the kettle black?

Seasons Greetings
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Dec 2016, 01:52 am


One follow up question.  Do I really need a scratch drive?  I was thinking I could disconnect all of the drives I have plugged in to the back of the unit and stick with the NAS.  I looked around and there does not seem to be a way to make a folder on the NAS the scratch drive.

Mike

Currently it's only used to cache images from tidal, so if your either not using tidal or have a reasonable fast internet connection then likely not.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2016, 02:33 am
Isn't that like calling the kettle black?

Seasons Greetings
David

Hi David

LOL - guilty as charged !!!

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 22 Dec 2016, 11:54 pm
Currently it's only used to cache images from tidal, so if your either not using tidal or have a reasonable fast internet connection then likely not.

Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2016, 12:15 pm
Hi James

Just a note to give my impressions on the upgrade of my set up from BDP-1 to BDP-2 which I have just received. I found that the sound is now cleaner for all the frequencies. There is more finesse to the sound now.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155548)

With the upgrade from 7BSST2 / BDP-1 / BDA-1 to 7B3 / BDP-2 / BDA-3 the improvement is as I had hoped. Clearer presentation, better control and soundstage. Musical instruments like guitars, saxophones, etc have more 'air' and decay probably due in part to the black background. It feels more like a 'live' presentation and more musical.

I have been using an Emotiva ERC-3 as a cd transport to feed the BDA-3 so perhaps the next step is a BCD-3! I must say that due to the excellent BDP, I have hardly used cd to play back. How do you find the BCD-3?

Attached are photos of my set up if you are interested.

Keep up the excellent work!

Thanks
Hong
Brunei
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: tie_breaker on 31 Dec 2016, 05:52 am
Beautiful setup!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Phil A on 31 Dec 2016, 03:42 pm
Beautiful setup!!  :thumb:
+1 on that - looks like a showroom
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 5 Jan 2017, 10:48 pm
Just found a free MPD music player that works nicely on my Windows 10 laptop.  It's called Chimney and is available in the Microsoft store.  Although I've just started using it, it seems like a really nice player.  Anybody else have a nice MPD player working on Windows 10 that they can recommend?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: matthewpartrick on 6 Jan 2017, 09:19 am
Quick question--does the BDP-2 deal with DSD files with a PCM conversion?  Have you guys considered supporting mqa?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jan 2017, 11:08 am
Quick question--does the BDP-2 deal with DSD files with a PCM conversion?  Have you guys considered supporting mqa?

Hi Matthew

The BDP-2 uses DOP which uses PCM as a carrier - it is a true DSD file not a conversion.

No plans for MQA - not required  given the current sate of digital high resolution file capability and bandwidth quality.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 9 Jan 2017, 01:42 am
Every so offen after unplugging my player I get an error 09 code.  In the last one it wouldn't boot unless I disconnected all cables exempt the power cable but when I plugged in my hard drive it wouldn't load.  So I rebooted and it worked so multiple boots to get it working again. Any ideas?

X
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jan 2017, 03:12 pm
It's likely one of your drives causing the problem, you should see if you can't narrow down to which one it is and eraseit using disk information.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 9 Jan 2017, 03:27 pm
I'm using an external SSD so it wasn't plugged in. Are you suggesting i reformat my drive?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Jan 2017, 03:42 pm
Yes, using disk information built into manic moose

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/BDP-2_MM_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Blik9 on 10 Jan 2017, 03:46 pm
Hi Matthew

The BDP-2 uses DOP which uses PCM as a carrier - it is a true DSD file not a conversion.

No plans for MQA - not required  given the current sate of digital high resolution file capability and bandwidth quality.

james
So there are no plans to let the Manic Moose Tidal app handle mqa files?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2017, 03:51 pm
So there are no plans to let the Manic Moose Tidal app handle mqa files?

Hi

Not currently but Chris Rice may be able to answer if its possible.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Jan 2017, 04:11 pm
So there are no plans to let the Manic Moose Tidal app handle mqa files?

From what I have read of Tidal's FAQ pages is that mqa can only be accessed via there own applications.  The API they have setup for us appears to only serve us the standard flac lossless version of the file, otherwise is it would have been a simple feature to add for those who have MQA capable DAC's.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 11 Jan 2017, 06:21 am
From what I have read of Tidal's FAQ pages is that mqa can only be accessed via there own applications.  The API they have setup for us appears to only serve us the standard flac lossless version of the file, otherwise is it would have been a simple feature to add for those who have MQA capable DAC's.

Cheers,
Chris

Of course, the BDP is "RoonReady" so when Roon incorporates the MQA software decoder, the BDP will be able to playback SOFTWARE decoded files from TIDAL (88.2 or 96 / 24) or pass-thru MQA files for hardware decoding from an attached MQA-enabled DAC.

The magic of Roon...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: matthewpartrick on 16 Jan 2017, 12:46 am
Hi Matthew

The BDP-2 uses DOP which uses PCM as a carrier - it is a true DSD file not a conversion.

No plans for MQA - not required  given the current sate of digital high resolution file capability and bandwidth quality.

james

Thanks so much.  :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 19 Jan 2017, 02:58 am
I wanted to ask BDP owners if they've tried Sonarworks and how/if it has affected their BDP use? Just curious...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 19 Jan 2017, 05:23 pm
I wanted to ask BDP owners if they've tried Sonarworks and how/if it has affected their BDP use? Just curious...

Isn't that like an EQ used for headphones mainly? Why would one use it with a BDP?   :scratch:

EDIT: Ah I get it. Room correction for speakers.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 19 Jan 2017, 08:04 pm
Isn't that like an EQ used for headphones mainly? Why would one use it with a BDP?   :scratch:

EDIT: Ah I get it. Room correction for speakers.

Well, it goes for headphone use as well. I was currently doing BDP -> DAC/Headphone amp -> HD 800

Now, the BDP is replaced by MacBook Pro (Audirvana Plus running Sonarworks). Before Sonarworks, I preferred the fidelity of the BDP-1. However, now the Sonarworks fixes too many things about the HD 800 that it's actually worth it over just BDP-1.

For speakers, I'm still using the BDP-1, as GOOD room correction is a LOT more trickier.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 20 Jan 2017, 08:32 pm
Well, it goes for headphone use as well. I was currently doing BDP -> DAC/Headphone amp -> HD 800

Now, the BDP is replaced by MacBook Pro (Audirvana Plus running Sonarworks). Before Sonarworks, I preferred the fidelity of the BDP-1. However, now the Sonarworks fixes too many things about the HD 800 that it's actually worth it over just BDP-1.

For speakers, I'm still using the BDP-1, as GOOD room correction is a LOT more trickier.

I experienced similar results with Sonarworks and the HD-650, so I've been using a setup similar to yours (MBP + Audirvana). With the HD-700, I wasn't as pleased with the results listening to classical music, so I've gone back to tubes + BDP-1 for that genre. Maybe the HD-800 correction is better.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 20 Jan 2017, 08:53 pm
I experienced similar results with Sonarworks and the HD-650, so I've been using a setup similar to yours (MBP + Audirvana). With the HD-700, I wasn't as pleased with the results listening to classical music, so I've gone back to tubes + BDP-1 for that genre. Maybe the HD-800 correction is better.

I also recently upgraded to Sierra, and so was forced to turn off Direct Mode in Audirvana. This surprisingly made a positive difference with Sonarworks and using linear mode.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2017, 11:45 am
Hi folks

There is a major update available for anyone using their BDP with ROON.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Paul Chiarot on 2 Feb 2017, 04:43 pm
I wanted to recommend to BPD-2 owners to install an internal drive. I had been using a NAS and it would often lose its IP address and it was slow.
I just install a new crucial 525GB SSD drive (about $150) and moved all my music to it over the network.
I used a free software package called MiniAide to format the drive FAT32 while connected to my Windows 10 machine with a USB to SATA cable ($15).
This works much faster than the NAS.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 2 Feb 2017, 06:16 pm
Quote
I used a free software package called MiniAide to format the drive FAT32 while connected to my Windows 10 machine with a USB to SATA cable ($15).

Does the internal drive have to be formatted in fat32 or can it also be NTFS?

Is it possible to use the usb inputs with usb sticks/hdd that're formatted in NTFS or only fat32?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Feb 2017, 06:23 pm
Does the internal drive have to be formatted in fat32 or can it also be NTFS?

Is it possible to use the usb inputs with usb sticks/hdd that're formatted in NTFS or only fat32?

Fat 32 or NTSF is fine - I use EXFAT as well.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 2 Feb 2017, 06:59 pm
I wanted to recommend to BPD-2 owners to install an internal drive. I had been using a NAS and it would often lose its IP address and it was slow.
I just install a new crucial 525GB SSD drive (about $150) and moved all my music to it over the network.
I used a free software package called MiniAide to format the drive FAT32 while connected to my Windows 10 machine with a USB to SATA cable ($15).
This works much faster than the NAS.

If your going to install a drive into a BDP you should consider using the disk information settings page in the web interface to format the drive, it'll add additional files and flags to the drive in the event your BDP decides to boot from it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 2 Feb 2017, 07:00 pm
Does the internal drive have to be formatted in fat32 or can it also be NTFS?

Is it possible to use the usb inputs with usb sticks/hdd that're formatted in NTFS or only fat32?

NTFS would create additional overhead
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 2 Feb 2017, 07:37 pm
Quote
NTFS would create additional overhead

Explain? The only thing that's different is that the blocks to write to is bigger? The overhead isn't important for the sound of the music?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 3 Feb 2017, 03:01 pm
If your going to install a drive into a BDP you should consider using the disk information settings page in the web interface to format the drive, it'll add additional files and flags to the drive in the event your BDP decides to boot from it.

So there is no need to format the drive ahead of time as the installation video states?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Feb 2017, 05:32 pm
So there is no need to format the drive ahead of time as the installation video states?

Thats an old video
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 Feb 2017, 05:33 pm
Explain? The only thing that's different is that the blocks to write to is bigger? The overhead isn't important for the sound of the music?

NTFS literally creates additional overhead on the CPU, thats fewer CPU cycles for say updating your database
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 3 Feb 2017, 10:27 pm
I wanted to recommend to BPD-2 owners to install an internal drive. I had been using a NAS and it would often lose its IP address and it was slow.
I just install a new crucial 525GB SSD drive (about $150) and moved all my music to it over the network.
I used a free software package called MiniAide to format the drive FAT32 while connected to my Windows 10 machine with a USB to SATA cable ($15).
This works much faster than the NAS.

As a counterpoint, I have been using a NAS on my network and have had no difficulty with either network traffic, speed or audio quality at all.  I have also never had any issues with the BDP regarding the loss of an IP address either.  My NAS is a Synology 5 slot disk station which is also used as a backup target. 

I was very nervous when I set this up as I wanted to get my audio off of a simple disk drive into something with redundancy.  I tested this with critical listening for days and the acid test was with my headphone amp, and I hear EVERYTHING with that.  I'm very satisfied with the way Maniac Moose handles my NAS.  I'm also relieved that my the risk to my sizeable investment in music has been reduced by the redundancy of my NAS.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 4 Feb 2017, 12:41 am
Thats an old video

Just asking because i intend to install an internal soon.  I'm not trying to be a ^&*( or anything
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Feb 2017, 01:55 am
Uncompressed 192khz 24bit flac seems to operate fine so long as you can get about 2Mbps bandwidth, which shouldn't be an issue.  I wouldn't rely solely on a NAS with a raid array as your backup, you should keep the files stored on another location to keep them from:

-accidental deletion
-filesystem corruption
-crypto-lock scam
-NAS system board failure
-NAS being knocked over
-liquid being spilled on the nas
-fire
-etc

The same can be said just using a USB drive, ideally you would use both or one and some sort of cloud storage
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Feb 2017, 01:57 am
Just asking because i intend to install an internal soon.  I'm not trying to be a ^&*( or anything

That's fair, I'm just saying you should use disk information.  If I was rude I apologize

 :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 4 Feb 2017, 04:41 pm
Uncompressed 192khz 24bit flac seems to operate fine so long as you can get about 2Mbps bandwidth, which shouldn't be an issue.  I wouldn't rely solely on a NAS with a raid array as your backup, you should keep the files stored on another location to keep them from:

-accidental deletion
-filesystem corruption
-crypto-lock scam
-NAS system board failure
-NAS being knocked over
-liquid being spilled on the nas
-fire
-etc

The same can be said just using a USB drive, ideally you would use both or one and some sort of cloud storage

Yes, agree whole heartedly; raid is not a backup or protection for the items you have listed.  There are several very good cloud-based backup vendors out there if you don't have access to tape.  We use tape for backups in-house.

Mostly my point was to reflect my experience that a NAS on a network is a good choice for an audio source.

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 9 Feb 2017, 02:01 am
How can I access my internal ssd on my BDP2?  I'm running windows 10 and tried to access it via windows explorer as per the video with no luck.  Is there a step by steps for windows 10?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 9 Feb 2017, 02:31 am
It shouldn't any different

\\<BDP's up address\

The default user should be both

bryston

However if that doesn't work try

bryston-bdp-2\bryston

With the password still as bryston

If you've changed the BDP's name in the network interface page you'll need to change the "bryston-bdp-2" to the new name given.

If all else fails give us a ring
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 9 Feb 2017, 03:38 am
I can't get to the "log credentials" page i get the attached message
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=157611)
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 9 Feb 2017, 06:10 pm
Are you certain you have the correct ip address?

I have Windows 10 also and have no issues getting to my bdp2. Nothing special, just shows up under network. No home group set up or anything like that.

I did set up my router to allocate the same ip address every time the bdp2 connects. By default, most routers will dynamically assign an ip address each time a device connects. If that happens, you will not usually get the same ip address two times in a row.

You can check the ip address the bdp is using with the arrows on the front display. I THINK it's down, left, left (that was my interpretation from the last page on the most recent manual anyway).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 9 Feb 2017, 07:29 pm
Are you certain you have the correct ip address?

I have Windows 10 also and have no issues getting to my bdp2. Nothing special, just shows up under network. No home group set up or anything like that.

I did set up my router to allocate the same ip address every time the bdp2 connects. By default, most routers will dynamically assign an ip address each time a device connects. If that happens, you will not usually get the same ip address two times in a row.

You can check the ip address the bdp is using with the arrows on the front display. I THINK it's down, left, left (that was my interpretation from the last page on the most recent manual anyway).

Thanks for that but ya I'm sure I have the correct ip I have an app on my iPad  I guess see I need to give Bryston a call

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 10 Feb 2017, 02:30 am
Thanks for that but ya I'm sure I have the correct ip I have an app on my iPad  I guess see I need to give Bryston a call

You can browse to the bdp's interface via your computers browser? and have check to see samba service is on, on the BDP?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 10 Feb 2017, 05:57 am
You can browse to the bdp's interface via your computers browser? and have check to see samba service is on, on the BDP?

Ya i was able to mount the drive and format it.  The drive appears in the media player and dish information.  Where do i check for the samba service? I ran a network check and it came up with this
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=157644)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 10 Feb 2017, 06:12 am
Nevermind i found the samba and that seems to have been the problem thanks Chris

Cheers X
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 10 Feb 2017, 06:43 am
Just one more thing i hope  :) what setting do i need to check off for the art to show up in the media player.  I have a music file on the drive and can play it but no art in the mp.  I didn't have a problem with the external drive the art was perfect.

Update i got the art working but now it won't play the file  :scratch:
Title: Question about How Files are Played
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 11 Feb 2017, 04:53 am
Hi

I keep all my music on a portable spinning USB hard drive.  My friend (another BDP2 owner) and I were discussing the merits of using an external SSD.  During the conversation we realized we didn't know if the music files were read from the hard drive during playback or were loaded in memory prior to playback and played back from memory.

If read from the hard drive, we thought it make make sense to use an SSD, either internal or external, to obtain the best sound quality. If loaded into memory first, we assumed the type of file storage we used wouldn't be as critical.

We were wondering if anyone knows how files are played back and which storage type would be the optimal.
I was hoping I could get away with external SSD storage if the external spinning hard disk wasn't optimum.

Regards
Barry
Title: Re: Question about How Files are Played
Post by: unincognito on 11 Feb 2017, 06:14 am
Hi

I keep all my music on a portable spinning USB hard drive.  My friend (another BDP2 owner) and I were discussing the merits of using an external SSD.  During the conversation we realized we didn't know if the music files were read from the hard drive during playback or were loaded in memory prior to playback and played back from memory.

If read from the hard drive, we thought it make make sense to use an SSD, either internal or external, to obtain the best sound quality. If loaded into memory first, we assumed the type of file storage we used wouldn't be as critical.

We were wondering if anyone knows how files are played back and which storage type would be the optimal.
I was hoping I could get away with external SSD storage if the external spinning hard disk wasn't optimum.

Regards
Barry

The BDP buffers the first bit of the actual file (regardless of type) into system memory before it starts playing.  As it plays it decodes the file in to raw pcm/dsd that is buffered into system memory long before you actually here it.  The BDP-2 has so much system memory available for this task you can pull a usb thumb drive while playing from it (not that this is recommended) and it should continue to play until the system realizes the drive was yanked (usually 10-15 seconds).  If the daemon responsible for drive detection and updating the library were to be disabled you could likely listen to about 8 minutes of 192khz 24bit data before it emptied its buffer. 

Regardless of the digital system i can't see any other system working any other way, i think the difference would be the amount of system memory made available for buffering the pcm or dsd data would be limited on systems not running stripped down linux systems.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Question about How Files are Played
Post by: XMAN on 11 Feb 2017, 06:47 am
Hi

I keep all my music on a portable spinning USB hard drive.  My friend (another BDP2 owner) and I were discussing the merits of using an external SSD.  During the conversation we realized we didn't know if the music files were read from the hard drive during playback or were loaded in memory prior to playback and played back from memory.

If read from the hard drive, we thought it make make sense to use an SSD, either internal or external, to obtain the best sound quality. If loaded into memory first, we assumed the type of file storage we used wouldn't be as critical.

We were wondering if anyone knows how files are played back and which storage type would be the optimal.
I was hoping I could get away with external SSD storage if the external spinning hard disk wasn't optimum.

Regards
Barry

I find my external ssd (an internal converted) sounds much better than my regular external hard drive. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 11 Feb 2017, 07:49 am
I heard from the brand Melco that it's a very difficult to read music from a SSD (something has to do with the way the harddisks are build and handling the data and that you can't use the same way to read this files something with jitter and clock synchron..) and becaue of that they had to make two different devices, one for SSD (cost also as twice as the one with normal HDD).

How is this BDP-2 handling the difference between SSD and HDD?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Feb 2017, 11:15 am
I heard from the brand Melco that it's a very difficult to read music from a SSD (something has to do with the way the harddisks are build and handling the data and that you can't use the same way to read this files something with jitter and clock synchron..) and becaue of that they had to make two different devices, one for SSD (cost also as twice as the one with normal HDD).

How is this BDP-2 handling the difference between SSD and HDD?

HI

That's a Chris question but I was only aware that SSD's are in fact a lot of tiny transistors and have more electrical noise than rotary type drives.  Never heard of the 'difficult to read music' issue before.  Do you hear a difference betweeb SSD and Rotary using the same file through your BDP?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Feb 2017, 02:16 pm
I've used external G-Tech SSDs (1-TB/500-GB USB pocket drives) to feed my BDP-1. No noise issues or jamming (read-in problems). Will be interested in reading other peoples' experiences with direct comparisons between SSD and HDD (external only).

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Feb 2017, 02:24 pm
I've used external G-Tech SSDs (1-TB/500-GB USB pocket drives) to feed my BDP-1. No noise issues or jamming (read-in problems). Will be interested in reading other peoples' experiences with direct comparisons between SSD and HDD (external only).

Edit: My Correction: external HDD not SSD.

http://www.g-technology.com/products/g-drive-mobile-usb
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 11 Feb 2017, 02:50 pm
Hi All

Thanks for the quick answer James, if I'm reading you correctly then with at least a 10 second cache of music stored on the bdp2's memory then it shouldn't be too critical what sort of external storage is used.

I too have heard that SSDs must be carefully used as they can be 'electrically ' noisy. My portable WD passport drives are sonically noiseless, so that's not an issue.

Although many server manufacturers insist that SSDs sound best (internal) and I can't disagree since I've never done a comparison.  Often though they use enterprise drives, but I've always assumed that enterprise just meant mean time between failures was longer. Maybe this does translate to tighter tolerances which could imply less noise?

I too would be interested in hearing and learning from others experiences.

Regards Barry
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 11 Feb 2017, 03:39 pm
Hi All

Thanks for the quick answer James, if I'm reading you correctly then with at least a 10 second cache of music stored on the bdp2's memory then it shouldn't be too critical what sort of external storage is used.

I too have heard that SSDs must be carefully used as they can be 'electrically ' noisy. My portable WD passport drives are sonically noiseless, so that's not an issue.

Although many server manufacturers insist that SSDs sound best (internal) and I can't disagree since I've never done a comparison.  Often though they use enterprise drives, but I've always assumed that enterprise just meant mean time between failures was longer. Maybe this does translate to tighter tolerances which could imply less noise?

I too would be interested in hearing and learning from others experiences.

Regards Barry

The portable WD passports are the drives i have as a comparison to the Samsung SSD pro internal that i have been running as an external and just yesterday internal.  The passports are a very quiet drive but the SSD still sounds better IMO.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 12 Feb 2017, 10:55 am
Quote
Do you hear a difference betweeb SSD and Rotary using the same file through your BDP?

I don't know I don't own one yet ;-)

Since yesterday I have one that is staying over here for a few days to test and I was just wondering.

What I also looking for is an option to shuffle play through all or at least one diskdrive, does it have this option?
The playlist is limited to 300 songs or can I set this to a higher number?

I must say I'm really suprised what I hear, this BDP-2 really sounds good.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2017, 11:33 am
I don't know I don't own one yet ;-)

Since yesterday I have one that is staying over here for a few days to test and I was just wondering.

What I also looking for is an option to shuffle play through all or at least one diskdrive, does it have this option?
The playlist is limited to 300 songs or can I set this to a higher number?

I must say I'm really surprised what I hear, this BDP-2 really sounds good.

Hi

Yes you can set the playlist higher if you wish.

Not sure I understand what you mean by 'one disc drive'? You can use one drive or many different drives.

The BDP-2 does sound great and its interesting as most people do not realize how different source computers can sound.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 12 Feb 2017, 12:12 pm
Quote
Not sure I understand what you mean by 'one disc drive'? You can use one drive or many different drives.
What I mean is that I want to select a diskdrive and shuffle throu all the number on that drive and not via a playlist.

Quote
Yes you can set the playlist higher if you wish.

Ok , but I can't find out how to do this, can you tell me where in the menu I can set this option.
Already thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Feb 2017, 01:07 pm
What I mean is that I want to select a diskdrive and shuffle throu all the number on that drive and not via a playlist.

Ok , but I can't find out how to do this, can you tell me where in the menu I can set this option.
Already thanks.

Hi

1.  Yes you can select a specific drive and play from it.

2. It is under MPD at the bottom of the DASHBOARD page in Manic Moose.  Click on that and you will see play list song numbers - change that and then hit SAVE.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 12 Feb 2017, 01:31 pm
Found it, thanks for your quick reply.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 12 Feb 2017, 07:20 pm
The portable WD passports are the drives i have as a comparison to the Samsung SSD pro internal that i have been running as an external and just yesterday internal.  The passports are a very quiet drive but the SSD still sounds better IMO.

Thanks. That's actually helpful as I've been using the portable WD Passports for several years and they've gotten better at each stage. I haven't tried SSDs on the BDP, but have compared flash drives to the WD. This is the summation I have in my mind as of now:

Portable Hard drives - Massive storage. Perhaps not the best sounding storage (in comparison to flash so far). Best value.

SSD - Massive storage. Expensive. Better than hard drives, but electrically noisy?

Flash Drives - Best sound? Small storage and thus need for multiple drives. Expensive (per GB).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 13 Feb 2017, 01:16 am
Thanks. That's actually helpful as I've been using the portable WD Passports for several years and they've gotten better at each stage. I haven't tried SSDs on the BDP, but have compared flash drives to the WD. This is the summation I have in my mind as of now:

Portable Hard drives - Massive storage. Perhaps not the best sounding storage (in comparison to flash so far). Best value.

SSD - Massive storage. Expensive. Better than hard drives, but electrically noisy?

Flash Drives - Best sound? Small storage and thus need for multiple drives. Expensive (per GB).

i will have to do some comparisons between SSD and flash.  I haven't noticed any electrical noise in the SSD's that i have tried.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 13 Feb 2017, 02:45 am
i will have to do some comparisons between SSD and flash.  I haven't noticed any electrical noise in the SSD's that i have tried.

I think Krutsch found the SSD a bit noisy in comparison to his flash drives. I wouldn't mind hearing your take on it when you get a chance.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 13 Feb 2017, 06:09 am
Quote
1.  Yes you can select a specific drive and play from it.

What I mean is selecting the whole drive and then playing all the 10,000 songs that 're on it. That 's what I can not manage.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2017, 10:40 am
What I mean is selecting the whole drive and then playing all the 10,000 songs that 're on it. That 's what I can not manage.

I have never tried that - 10,000 songs you would be there for a year or more - not really the intent of the BDP.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 13 Feb 2017, 01:02 pm
Quote
I have never tried that - 10,000 songs you would be there for a year or more - not really the intent of the BDP.

No but if you have 10,000 songs and you can play them all and you use shuffle, then when you hear a song you don't want to listen to, you can skip it and go to the next song. I have a Apple Ipod that shuffles up all my 14,000 songs and so I hear a lot of songs I never thought about to listen.
You don't have to listen at once but when I'm working at home and want to listen to music I don't want to hear the same songs all the time so shuffle play on the entire collection is very handy.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Feb 2017, 01:16 pm
No but if you have 10,000 songs and you can play them all and you use shuffle, then when you hear a song you don't want to listen to, you can skip it and go to the next song. I have a Apple Ipod that shuffles up all my 14,000 songs and so I hear a lot of songs I never thought about to listen.
You don't have to listen at once but when I'm working at home and want to listen to music I don't want to hear the same songs all the time so shuffle play on the entire collection is very handy.

I do not think the BDP is for you then as I do not think it will perform that function.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 13 Feb 2017, 01:56 pm
Quote
I do not think the BDP is for you then as I do not think it will perform that function.

Well gladly it does a lot more, so only one thing missing doesn't weight against the lot of advantages this BDP-2 has ;-)

I think this is a wonderfull device and the sound it produce with a BDA-3 is outstanding.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Feb 2017, 03:30 pm
Well gladly it does a lot more, so only one thing missing doesn't weight against the lot of advantages this BDP-2 has ;-)

I think this is a wonderfull device and the sound it produce with a BDA-3 is outstanding.

You'll need to increase the current playlist limit to match your library, turn random and consume on.  If you want the playlist to survive reboots you can go into MPD settings and turn on "remember mpd state", i'm not sure how well this feature works as i don't use it regularly; otherwise you can leave the BDP on.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 14 Feb 2017, 10:01 am
I set the playlist to 9999 and I could choose 9999 files but the browser didn't react anymore in mediaplayer mode. In Dashboard mode I was able to use the next and previous buttons. Also the Now Playing list didn't refresh, but the music continued to play.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 14 Feb 2017, 10:03 am
Also this one has a flyer with it. On this flyer they said that there is a future upgrade coming: extra USB 3.0 ports. From when is this possible and what will the extra cost be?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2017, 11:05 am
Also this one has a flyer with it. On this flyer they said that there is a future upgrade coming: extra USB 3.0 ports. From when is this possible and what will the extra cost be?

Hi

That was something we were thinking about but we were not able to implement it.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 14 Feb 2017, 08:32 pm
I set the playlist to 9999 and I could choose 9999 files but the browser didn't react anymore in mediaplayer mode. In Dashboard mode I was able to use the next and previous buttons. Also the Now Playing list didn't refresh, but the music continued to play.

which version of the firmware do you have installed? my BDP-2 running S2.32 2017-02-13 loaded the entire library of 28000 songs, but it did take a few minutes before the playlist loaded and the playlist is choppy; but otherwise functional.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=157865)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 14 Feb 2017, 09:33 pm
which version of the firmware do you have installed? my BDP-2 running S2.32 2017-02-13 loaded the entire library of 28000 songs, but it did take a few minutes before the playlist loaded and the playlist is choppy; but otherwise functional.



What do you mean by choppy? Were there dropouts on playback?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Feb 2017, 01:37 am
What do you mean by choppy? Were there dropouts on playback?

Scrolling the current playlist, playback was fine but I only listened to like three songs before clearing the playlist, which also took a bit
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Hoiman on 15 Feb 2017, 11:23 am
Quote
which version of the firmware do you have installed?
I don't know, it was a loaner. I order one my self now, so I can play with this stuff when I have it, I don't know how long it takes before I have it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 24 Feb 2017, 06:02 am
I have an internal SSD drive installed and I'm finding the download speed to be a max of 11MB/s when transferring from my desk top and about half that when transferring from an external ssd plugged into the BDP 2 is this normal or do i have a setting screwed up somewhere?
Title: BDP-2 Digital Player on Top of Nordost Sort Kones
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 1 Mar 2017, 03:49 am
Hi

I went to a Nordost demo at my local Nordost Dealer in Calgary, Absolute Audio.  It was extremely entertaining and impressive. While there I put my name in a draw to win 3 Brass and Ceramic Sort Kones, and I won the door prize.

So after a day or so sitting on my shelf (unused) I placed the 3 under my BDP2, really because it was really easy to do so.  Two on the left side and one on the right side forming more or less a triangle.  I based this configuration on trying to place one under a transformer which is on the front left of the unit. 

Now the BDP2 is already sitting on the top shelf of a SolidTech Rack of Silence (Shades of "Get Smart"), and placed on top of this is a relatively modest but effective audio shelf supported by SolidTech anti-vibration devices (using rubber O rings to provide isolation, I prefer rubber rings to springs).  On top of the BDP2 sits an HRS plate, also to control vibration. So I thought I had vibration under control. But the Kones don't handle external vibration but attempt to reduce internal resonance.

The addition of these 3 Sort Kones improved the music coming out of the BDP2 unbelievably. Depth increased, bass improved, more transparent background etc (you get the idea).  It was one of the biggest improvements I've heard since initially putting the BDP2 in my system.  It's not an exaggeration to say it sounded like another far more costly player and DAC.

So if you have the opportunity to demo these things under a BDP2, do it!! You wont regret it.  Not sure how other cones might fair (like BDR cones for example), but the Sort Kones work great.  In any event it seems that the BDP2 performance can be improved by proper resonance control - something to consider anyway.

Regards
Barry
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 1 Mar 2017, 11:35 am
^ Not clear why the BDP-2 would have any internal resonances -- there are no moving parts. Must be the external environment -- are your speakers close to your rack? Sound waves/standing waves may cause the rack to display some mechanical instabilities/anomalies.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 1 Mar 2017, 03:49 pm
^ Not clear why the BDP-2 would have any internal resonances -- there are no moving parts. Must be the external environment -- are your speakers close to your rack? Sound waves/standing waves may cause the rack to display some mechanical instabilities/anomalies.

The theory goes something like this:

Quote
...most harmful mechanical energy doesn’t enter the equipment from outside; it’s generated internally by the audio circuits and their power supplies. Transformers, power supply capacitors, even the active devices themselves, all vibrate as they operate – and those vibrations occur right where the fragile signal is, creating timing errors that smear and distort the music.

Not advocating, but just repeating the marketing message.

See: http://www.nordost.com/sort-systems/sort-kone.php (http://www.nordost.com/sort-systems/sort-kone.php)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 1 Mar 2017, 03:59 pm
The theory goes something like this:

Not advocating, but just repeating the marketing message.

See: http://www.nordost.com/sort-systems/sort-kone.php (http://www.nordost.com/sort-systems/sort-kone.php)

Interesting. Decent dampening of power transformers should eliminate most of the "resonances". The remaining probably is inaudible to 98% of humans.

Nordost's cables are some of the most over-hyped and over-priced snake oil Ive ever encountered. imo.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Barry in Calgary on 1 Mar 2017, 10:39 pm
Hi

Well, I'm not talking about cables and I heard what I heard when using the Sort Kones.
I'm not an advocate for Nordost, I'm sure other cones might have similar effects.

If you live in a city with a Nordost dealer it's free to try and form your own opinion.

I thought it was worth passing on this information to the group.

My Regards
Barry
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 1 Mar 2017, 10:46 pm
Hi

Well, I'm not talking about cables and I heard what I heard when using the Sort Kones.
I'm not an advocate for Nordost, I'm sure other cones might have similar effects.

If you live in a city with a Nordost dealer it's free to try and form your own opinion.

I thought it was worth passing on this information to the group.

My Regards
Barry

I had their BNC cable (Blue) for a while, on my BDP-1. Didn't hurt, but also didn't improve, despite their advertising blurb about technical design enhancements etc.

I use these pads under my source gear, after removing the rubber stock feet:
http://www.partsconnexion.com/VIBRAPOD-68841.html

Does a good job, I think. Cheap by comparison.

cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Lwxian on 3 Mar 2017, 05:01 am
Hi James,

Tidal app has been in beta stage for quite some time... will there be a new update soon to the tidal app for bdp2?

Thanks!
Leong
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2017, 11:11 am
Hi James,

Tidal app has been in beta stage for quite some time... will there be a new update soon to the tidal app for bdp2?

Thanks!
Leong

Yes with the next software release - there is no difference just called beta for now.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 3 Mar 2017, 03:39 pm
Yes with the next software release - there is no difference just called beta for now.

james

James,

Is there a notification service I can sign up for to get announcements and direction of new software releases?

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Mar 2017, 04:13 pm
James,

Is there a notification service I can sign up for to get announcements and direction of new software releases?

Thanks,

Mike

Hi Mike

Usually when Chris introduces software it shows up in the Manic Moose interface.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 4 Mar 2017, 12:21 am
Hi Mike

Usually when Chris introduces software it shows up in the Manic Moose interface.

james

James,

I know this might sound dumb, but I don't know how to tell.  When ever I start my bdp1 there is always writing in there and I never know if it's for a new release or if it's left over from the old release.  How do you tell if it's new?

Thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Mar 2017, 04:18 am
Well the BDP should tell you if new firmware is available on the dashboard; however you can compare the firmware revision listed on the system page with the firmware revision at the very top of the readme file.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 7 Mar 2017, 01:48 pm
FYI the server has been down for a while now.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Mar 2017, 02:24 pm
FYI the server has been down for a while now.

Hi

Yes thanks - we are looking into it.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dznutz on 18 Mar 2017, 05:18 am
Quick question...

I have a BDP2 feeding into a BDA3 via USB.  Will the BDP2 play a 24 bit 352khz flac file?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2017, 01:26 pm
Quick question...

I have a BDP2 feeding into a BDA3 via USB.  Will the BDP2 play a 24 bit 352khz flac file?

Hi

Yes it will but how many native files at 352 exist?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dznutz on 18 Mar 2017, 03:25 pm
Thanks James, there arent many but enough to make me want to try them out

How about DSD128 and 256?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 18 Mar 2017, 03:56 pm
It will play all but 11.2896 MHz DSD, ask me how i know   :duh:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Mar 2017, 06:05 pm
Thanks James, there arent many but enough to make me want to try them out

How about DSD128 and 256?

Yes that would depend on the DAC though.

Also I want to point out that when you start pushing even the most capable DAC's available these days the noise and distortion starts to rise.  Our findings are the sweet spot is 96/24 files.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 2 May 2017, 11:12 pm
When playing a native DSD file through the BDP-2 my DAC identifies the incoming signal as DXD352 instead of DSD. My understanding is that the BDP-2 output should be DoP rather than DXD.

Is this correct?

The same file played by my PC via USB to the DAC is correctly identified as DSD.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2017, 11:30 pm
When playing a native DSD file through the BDP-2 my DAC identifies the incoming signal as DXD352 instead of DSD. My understanding is that the BDP-2 output should be DoP rather than DXD.

Is this correct?

The same file played by my PC via USB to the DAC is correctly identified as DSD.

Hi Lycia

Yes with the current software the BDP plays DSD - DOP not native. But DOP is a true DSD file.

Chris is looking at new software which would allow Native DSD as well from the BDP but the quality would be the same.

Chris can weigh in but I think the BDP is decoding the Native as DXD 352

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 3 May 2017, 12:43 am
When playing a native DSD file through the BDP-2 my DAC identifies the incoming signal as DXD352 instead of DSD. My understanding is that the BDP-2 output should be DoP rather than DXD.

Is this correct?

The same file played by my PC via USB to the DAC is correctly identified as DSD.

You need to tell the bdp that your DAC is dop capable, its covered in the manic moose manual, under audio devices

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: lycia on 3 May 2017, 11:21 pm
You need to tell the bdp that your DAC is dop capable, its covered in the manic moose manual, under audio devices

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Thank you, Chris. I should have thought of this myself. :duh:
Title: Adjustable Time Gap Between Songs For BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: DarqueKnight on 19 May 2017, 11:46 pm
@James Tanner
@unincognito

For the next firmware update for the BDP-2, is it possible to add the capability to add a gap space between music files? The reason I ask this
is because the DAC I am using with the BDP-2 in my home audio system (dCS Debussy) uses a three step phase locked loop process to lock
on to the music file sample rate. Therefore, when a music file is followed by a file with a different sample rate, the first few seconds of the file is
muted while the DAC locks on to the new sample rate.

J River music software has the option to insert a gap between song files and to adjust the length of the gap. I am wondering if the BDP-2's hardware
would support adding such a feature.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 20 May 2017, 01:32 am
DarqueKnight:
 
 This may not help you with your situation, but here goes anyway...  Most of the time I listen to playlists that are specific to the type of music being played for instance:  Symphonies, Violin Concertos etc.  To avoid the muting that occurs between different sample rates I created 8 second long tracks of silence for each possible sample rate and inserted them where there is a sample rate change.

 This of course will not work if you are creating "on the fly" playlists or if you shuffle a playlist as I'm sure many people do.

  Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: DarqueKnight on 20 May 2017, 08:49 am
DarqueKnight:
 
 This may not help you with your situation, but here goes anyway...  Most of the time I listen to playlists that are specific to the type of music being played for instance:  Symphonies, Violin Concertos etc.  To avoid the muting that occurs between different sample rates I created 8 second long tracks of silence for each possible sample rate and inserted them where there is a sample rate change.

 This of course will not work if you are creating "on the fly" playlists or if you shuffle a playlist as I'm sure many people do.

  Rich

Thanks Rich. Your suggestion helped a lot. I started with 4 second delay tracks and went to 3.5, 3, 2.6, 2, 1.5, 1 and 0.5 seconds. The 1 and 0.5 second delays did not work with all file sample rates. The minimum delay that worked with all file sample rates was 1.5 seconds. My procedure was:

1. Find a DSD1 file with a minimum 4 second silent lead out and import it into Vinyl Studio. The file selected was "Take Five" from Dave Brubeck's
"Time Out" . The last four seconds were trimmed off and saved as a separate file.

2. The trimmed DSD1 file was then saved as DSD1 files of different lengths.

3. The DSD1 file was next converted to FLAC files of the different lengths, sampling rates, and bit depths.

I don't have the muting issue with the Bryston BDA-3 DAC in my office rig (paired with a BDP-2) , nor did I have it with my Cary Audio DAC-100 nor my Cary Audio CD 306 Pro Version SACD Player/DAC. The BDP-2 in my two channel rig is used with a dCS Debussy DAC and dCS Puccini U-Clock master clock. DCS explained that I have two sample rate locking delays in my digital source group since both the U-Clock and the Debussy have to lock onto a new sample rate. They further explained:

"Our Phase Locked Loop circuitry has a 3-stage lock which takes a few seconds longer than simpler designs. This is a factor in the sound quality, as you need a very narrow bandwidth in order to filter out jitter." 

They also said they would look into speeding up the Debussy's lock cycle.
Title: Can't Get Music To Load From NAS
Post by: mikemalter on 27 Jun 2017, 04:56 pm
I am having a devil of a time trying to get music loaded into my BDP2 player, and I am wondering if there is some way I can get a little help, like maybe someone I can call who can get me sorted out?

For number of songs it always stays at 0.  I have Manic Moose S2.34.  My music player daemon is at 19.21 and I have 5000 as my maximum playlist length.  When I go to the media player, the first folder name is usually blank (this should have the name of my NAS on it) and then I see folders for Genres, Artist & etc.  I don't see a name in the top folder unless I click on the Update link.  Then if I go back to the dashboard and come back, I can see it.  When I click on the folder icon for the NAS it will go down one level and there I see only 1 folder with no label.  If I click on the folder icon I get a loading message where the name of the container usually is.  If I click on the playlist icon, I can see playlists I created but I can't get them into the now playing list.  I tried clicking on the + sign but nothing happens.  The only thing I can get to play in the internet radio.  I did do an update and now I can't seem to get anything to work.  I'd really appreciate being able to call to help clear this up.  Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: drummermitchell on 27 Jun 2017, 06:28 pm
There's only one name CHRIS RICE(Bryston)
He'll fix you up 100% :thumb:.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jun 2017, 06:56 pm
It sounds like the BDP isn’t completing the scan of the music library or the BDP is losing connection with the NAS.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 27 Jun 2017, 10:36 pm
It sounds like the BDP isn’t completing the scan of the music library or the BDP is losing connection with the NAS.

Chris

I deleted the NAS entry and re-entered it and got this error message:

failed to connect:mount error(13): Permission denied Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
sudo mount -t cifs -o username='bryston',password='bryston',uid=106 "\\\\10.1.254.0\\MikeMusic" "/media/MikeMusic_on_NAS1.local" 2>&1

The username and password are correct as is the ip address and share name.

Mike
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 27 Jun 2017, 11:13 pm
There was another software update available which I elected to install.

Now when I try to connect to my nas I have all the fields filled in and I click on next and it keeps saying ready, no matter how many times I click on next, it says ready on the top.  I click home and everything goes away.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jun 2017, 12:27 am
There was another software update available which I elected to install.

Now when I try to connect to my nas I have all the fields filled in and I click on next and it keeps saying ready, no matter how many times I click on next, it says ready on the top.  I click home and everything goes away.

I think maybe Chris may have to connect remotely to your unit.  Can you put it in Service and email Chris the service number?

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 28 Jun 2017, 12:44 am
I think maybe Chris may have to connect remotely to your unit.  Can you put it in Service and email Chris the service number?

james

How do I put it in service?  Do you have Chris' email address, please?  Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Jun 2017, 12:58 am
http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Page 24, but you may also want review the section that covers nas setup first
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 28 Jun 2017, 11:25 am
There was another software update available which I elected to install.

Now when I try to connect to my nas I have all the fields filled in and I click on next and it keeps saying ready, no matter how many times I click on next, it says ready on the top.  I click home and everything goes away.


Maybe you should first feed the BDP some music attached locally. A successful Nas connection can really be difficult if you're not sure what to look out for, in the many options (I've several entries for the same NAs in the dropdown box, for several different protocols and platforms)
Having a USB drive can t fail, for the BDP will find it automatically and update it immediately when found.


Try a thumb drive, with only a few songs/albums, of a usb drive with a bit more, to see if the BDP works as expected. If yes, enjoy and figure out how to connect the NAS correctly ;)

btw, check whether you have permissions set correctly on the NAS. You might have the correct login credentials, but your NAS might block any unspecified users.


It is best to create a separate user named Bryston BDP and give it certain read write rights for dedicated folders. That way you're certain nothing can happen on your NAS (where you might have stored other documents you don't want to grant anyone access.  )
I find this of particular importance, now the BDP and MM are fetching info on your library over the internet more and more. Best to close the access-gaps as tightly as possible.
Cheers,
Marius
 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 28 Jun 2017, 03:42 pm
I think maybe Chris may have to connect remotely to your unit.  Can you put it in Service and email Chris the service number?

james

Done, thanks James.
Title: Re: Can't Get Music To Load From NAS
Post by: gbaby on 28 Jun 2017, 10:28 pm
I am having a devil of a time trying to get music loaded into my BDP2 player, and I am wondering if there is some way I can get a little help, like maybe someone I can call who can get me sorted out?

For number of songs it always stays at 0.  I have Manic Moose S2.34.  My music player daemon is at 19.21 and I have 5000 as my maximum playlist length.  When I go to the media player, the first folder name is usually blank (this should have the name of my NAS on it) and then I see folders for Genres, Artist & etc.  I don't see a name in the top folder unless I click on the Update link.  Then if I go back to the dashboard and come back, I can see it.  When I click on the folder icon for the NAS it will go down one level and there I see only 1 folder with no label.  If I click on the folder icon I get a loading message where the name of the container usually is.  If I click on the playlist icon, I can see playlists I created but I can't get them into the now playing list.  I tried clicking on the + sign but nothing happens.  The only thing I can get to play in the internet radio.  I did do an update and now I can't seem to get anything to work.  I'd really appreciate being able to call to help clear this up.  Thanks.

A 5,000 song playlist is excessive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Jun 2017, 11:51 pm
^ That's putting it politely.   :green:

Me, I listen to one album at a time -- about 10-30 tracks.
Very short playlist.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: artur9 on 29 Jun 2017, 03:16 am
A long playlist may be excessive but how else can one play all the songs of a particular genre?

Sometimes, while cleaning for example, I just want a lot of songs.  But there's no random shuffle mode... ;-(
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 29 Jun 2017, 11:57 am
A long playlist may be excessive but how else can one play all the songs of a particular genre?

Sometimes, while cleaning for example, I just want a lot of songs.  But there's no random shuffle mode... ;-(

There is a random shuffle.
Title: Re: Can't Get Music To Load From NAS
Post by: mikemalter on 29 Jun 2017, 01:09 pm
A 5,000 song playlist is excessive.

How so?  What is not excessive?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: artur9 on 29 Jun 2017, 01:22 pm
There is a random shuffle.

The random shuffle is playlist based.  Or is there another way to do it?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 29 Jun 2017, 01:33 pm
The random shuffle is playlist based.  Or is there another way to do it?

It is playlist based. But, to me, 300 to 350 songs in a playlist is fine. How long can one listen music at one time?  :o
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 29 Jun 2017, 01:46 pm
It is playlist based. But, to me, 300 to 350 songs in a playlist is fine. How long can one listen music at one time?  :o
You don't have to listen to the entire playlist each time.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 29 Jun 2017, 05:21 pm
You don't have to listen to the entire playlist each time.

So why bother building one, if it ultimately jams up the BDP?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 29 Jun 2017, 06:07 pm
So why bother building one, if it ultimately jams up the BDP?

I have my playlist length set at 5000, and it never jams up the playlist.  I set play to random and then click on consume (to remove songs after they play).  I have so much music and I like to be surprised by what I have most of the time.  Sometimes there is stuff I want to listen to specifically, but most of the time I like it random.  However I think it's how you like it, right?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 29 Jun 2017, 06:54 pm
I have my playlist length set at 5000, and it never jams up the playlist.  I set play to random and then click on consume (to remove songs after they play).  I have so much music and I like to be surprised by what I have most of the time.  Sometimes there is stuff I want to listen to specifically, but most of the time I like it random.  However I think it's how you like it, right?

I tried to burn a CD based upon shuffle, and the mix was awful.  :(
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 29 Jun 2017, 06:56 pm
^ That's putting it politely.   :green:


 :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 29 Jun 2017, 06:59 pm
I have my playlist length set at 5000, and it never jams up the playlist.   However I think it's how you like it, right?

oops my bad. I thought the jam was due to playlist issues?
Yes, that's right.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 29 Jun 2017, 07:18 pm
I too would like a longer playlist. I tried it on my BDP-1 earlier and  tried to play around with different firmware versions and could not get it to change from 300.

I usually put an album at a time in the playlist at a time. 95% of the time not more than 50 songs. However, I do have a few compilation playlists of 600 and 800+. If I try to load it in the BDP-1, it only loads the first 300 in a row. I have no option to further add. Secondly, if I wanted to add tracks #301-600 on the playlist, it'd have to be done manually by clicking each track. It'd be good to be able to just hit the shuffle button and then just click on a playlist and let it play...However, I suppose MPD isn't built that way?

The other option would be to split those playlists into folder chunks of 300.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 29 Jun 2017, 07:21 pm
I too would like a longer playlist. I tried it on my BDP-1 earlier and  tried to play around with different firmware versions and could not get it to change from 300.

I usually put an album at a time in the playlist at a time. 95% of the time not more than 50 songs. However, I do have a few compilation playlists of 600 and 800+. If I try to load it in the BDP-1, it only loads the first 300 in a row. I have no option to further add. Secondly, if I wanted to add tracks #301-600 on the playlist, it'd have to be done manually by clicking each track. It'd be good to be able to just hit the shuffle button and then just click on a playlist and let it play...However, I suppose MPD isn't built that way?

The other option would be to split those playlists into folder chunks of 300.

Just to be sure: did you try and change these settings?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164661)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 29 Jun 2017, 07:29 pm
Just to be sure: did you try and change these settings?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164661)

Exactly that. I tried all the version numbers (0.19.21 and others) and the Maximum Playlist Length.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 29 Jun 2017, 07:42 pm
oops my bad. I thought the jam was due to playlist issues?
Yes, that's right.  :thumb:

So what happened was when I upgraded to Maniac Moose the new partition did not get set correctly and it was very small.  Chris helped me out and got on the unit and did his magic and the size of the partition is now correct.  So now I also get song view and artist view working as well as the genres, artist and etc.  It's nice.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 29 Jun 2017, 08:29 pm
Exactly that. I tried all the version numbers (0.19.21 and others) and the Maximum Playlist Length.

Is this Manic Moose on BDP-1?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 29 Jun 2017, 09:03 pm
Is this Manic Moose on BDP-1?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164664)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: OTM on 29 Jun 2017, 10:53 pm
Exactly that. I tried all the version numbers (0.19.21 and others) and the Maximum Playlist Length.
Hi Zoom
Just checking, after you changed the playlist # did you then scroll down and press save? I forgot the first tome.
David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 29 Jun 2017, 10:57 pm
Hi Zoom
Just checking, after you changed the playlist # did you then scroll down and press save? I forgot the first tome.
David

Yup. I've tried it like 15-20 times. Even restarted the BDP a couple of times whenever it requested it. I'll give it a try again and update it again if there is something newer and see if that makes any difference.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 29 Jun 2017, 10:58 pm
Hi Zoom
Just checking, after you changed the playlist # did you then scroll down and press save? I forgot the first tome.
David

 :duh: :duh: :duh:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: OTM on 29 Jun 2017, 11:02 pm
:duh: :duh: :duh:

 I know, I know, Duh!
Ha!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: artur9 on 30 Jun 2017, 01:19 am
Yup. I've tried it like 15-20 times. Even restarted the BDP a couple of times whenever it requested it. I'll give it a try again and update it again if there is something newer and see if that makes any difference.

To get mine to stick to 600 I made those changes hit save and then immediately restarted the BDP-1.  That got the setting to stick.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 30 Jun 2017, 05:44 am
Is this Manic Moose on BDP-1?

Yep. And IPhone
O. Sorry, wrong answer to a different question  :duh:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Marius on 30 Jun 2017, 05:48 am
Yup. I've tried it like 15-20 times. Even restarted the BDP a couple of times whenever it requested it. I'll give it a try again and update it again if there is something newer and see if that makes any difference.

One could always try and edit the settings file (mpdconf.set) in the user folder manually . Maybe somehow the MM interface won't save it correctly (which would be a bug) but editing directly would work? Seems to stick here (changed the setting in MM, not in the file manually)

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164733) (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164734)

 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164735)

Cheers Marius
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 30 Jun 2017, 06:14 am
To get mine to stick to 600 I made those changes hit save and then immediately restarted the BDP-1.  That got the setting to stick.

I didn't know there was a 5 second rule.  :duh: I'll try that.

For anyone:

I've been running with everything disabled and just loading folders of WAV. I do have my library duplicated twice. One with WAV and the other with combination of FLAC and ALAC. On Audirvana Plus, all of these appear identical with the same metadata and artwork. I know that WAV is probably going to be a problem with the database, but what about FLAC/AIFF/ALAC. They should all be problem free right?

If the library ends up looking good, it just might be worth it over what WAV brings. I've also read that Soundirok can do WAV with metadata now? I'm trying to piece it all together on where all these things are as of right now.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mikemalter on 30 Jun 2017, 04:32 pm
Is this Manic Moose on BDP-1?

Yes.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 3 Jul 2017, 06:07 pm
Chris or anyone:
 Thinking about a BDA-3.  Does the BDP-2 send DSD256?

   Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 17 Jul 2017, 06:13 pm
S2.34 2017-06-20
Chris:
 Have had a couple of power outages in the last month.  My procedure is to turn off the BDP, unplug -- replug in, and finally turn the BDP back on.  In the past this has worked OK.

 The last couple of times, after above, new tracks added do not update properly; The data base progress window on the bottom right never shows yet the tracks do turn from red to gray.  Although they appear to be ready to use ( gray not red ) adding them to a playlist does not work.  I can add them and MM shows they were added but when I attempt to save the playlist the word "Saved!" never shows on the playlist save window and the tracks do not show when looking at the M3U playlist in the playlist folder.

 The resolution is to reboot the BDP from the Dashboard after which the added tracks are red again.  Now they can be added by clicking on + and the data base window does show.

 For some reason I now have to add the Dashboard / Reboot BDP step after a power outage.  Is this normal?

  Thanks. Rich
Title: SSD Recommendations for BDP-2
Post by: Pundamilia on 15 Aug 2017, 05:41 pm
Are there any specific brand or model recommendations that you can give for installing an internal SSD into a BDP-2? Are there any specific brands or models that we should AVOID because they are know to cause problems? What brands do you use or know that others are using without creating any issues?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2017, 05:48 pm
We've been having reasonably good luck with 512GB Samsung EVO 850 drive, although we still recommend using a hard drive (WD's line is pretty solid).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 15 Aug 2017, 05:52 pm
Interesting. I was thinking of using that particular SSD as I have had good experiences with them in Windows 7 computers.

I seem to recall a post where James mentioned that he is using an SSD.

Can you elaborate as to why HDDs are preferred? I know that speed/performance is not an issue, but I would have thought that an electronic device inside would have been preferable to a mechanical device.

Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Aug 2017, 06:19 pm
Interesting. I was thinking of using that particular SSD as I have had good experiences with them in Windows 7 computers.

I seem to recall a post where James mentioned that he is using an SSD.

Can you elaborate as to why HDDs are preferred? I know that speed/performance is not an issue, but I would have thought that an electronic device inside would have been preferable to a mechanical device.

Thanks.

Well its electrical noise from a motor (hard drive) or electrical noise from billions/trillions of transistors (solid state drive), pick your poison.  There are numerous reasons for one or the other and ultimately I feel the hard drives edges it out slightly on price and potential maximum power consumption.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 15 Aug 2017, 06:32 pm
OK, thanks. I will try an internal HD (replacing current external USB HD) first.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Aug 2017, 06:39 pm
Well its electrical noise from a motor (hard drive) or electrical noise from billions/trillions of transistors (solid state drive), pick your poison.  There are numerous reasons for one or the other and ultimately I feel the hard drives edges it out slightly on price and potential maximum power consumption.

Exactly what I found. Ultimately, if I absolutely had to mount something inside, I'd go for a SSD.

However, from both a convenient and sound quality standpoint, I've found that it's best to not run any hard drives and perhaps even thumb drives directly from the BDP-1's USB ports. More testing required for the thumb drive on external power, but very clear on running portable drives.

I switched to an external powered usb hub. I use the portable 5400 RPM 2.5" WD hard drives that are silent, little to no vibration felt, and remain very durable. The 3.5 ones are noisier. I've already added a Jitterbug to the output cable of the hub that connects to the BDP-1 which beat out any hard drive or flash drive combination I tried when directly attached to the BDP-1. Without the Jitterbug however, the external powered drives are dead last.

BTW the hub is being powered by a cheap SMPS with only a Jitterbug to remedy the noise and is already ahead of the direct connections with the BDP-1. I can't wait to hear how much better it can get when I swap out the SMPS with a LPS. The incoming Torus should also further help.

I tried looking for the actual power consumption of these portable WD My Passport hard drives, but couldn't find any. Chris, if you by any chance know how much power they actually consume, can you please let me know? Thanks!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Aug 2017, 06:54 pm
I will admit that this is not what Bryston, or Bryston owners, or I wanted to hear...The last thing you want to do after spending all this money is to get a separate hub and add Jitterbugs. (BTW this is only on BDP-1, so perhaps it's not of concern on BDP-2/3?).

I can't help it. I heard the darn thing. :duh: Shouldn't have done it. Now no going back. Ordered a second Jitterbug as well.

At the very least, Bryston gets free investigative reporting. :thumb: I like to imagine Bryston engineers huddling around reading my posts together in their engineering cave.  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Aug 2017, 12:04 pm
Still use a powered hub even with BDP-2. Had it too for BDP-1 for 5 years. No power issues whatsoever or SQ compromises.  Portable G-Drives (1-2TB) plugged into hub.
Bryston hit a HR with both units, esp with BDP-2.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 16 Aug 2017, 08:29 pm
Still use a powered hub even with BDP-2. Had it too for BDP-1 for 5 years. No power issues whatsoever or SQ compromises.  Portable G-Drives (1-2TB) plugged into hub.
Bryston hit a HR with both units, esp with BDP-2.  :thumb:


Yeah I have kept your comments in mind. Aren't you using some Shunyata stuff for the whole rig?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Aug 2017, 11:11 pm

Yeah I have kept your comments in mind. Aren't you using some Shunyata stuff for the whole rig?

Yes, everything (except hub and woofer) plugged into Triton/Typhon combo. Will never look back.
Enjoy the music
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 17 Aug 2017, 03:10 pm

...

However, from both a convenient and sound quality standpoint, I've found that it's best to not run any hard drives and perhaps even thumb drives directly from the BDP-1's USB ports. More testing required for the thumb drive on external power, but very clear on running portable drives.

...


Hey @zoom25, if you are really that worried about electrical noise from your music storage, you should consider removing all of it/them and switch to a NAS device, like an inexpensive WD MyCloud. Ethernet has galvanic isolation built-in and that should be end-game for what you seek.

Food for thought...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 17 Aug 2017, 08:10 pm
Hey @zoom25, if you are really that worried about electrical noise from your music storage, you should consider removing all of it/them and switch to a NAS device, like an inexpensive WD MyCloud. Ethernet has galvanic isolation built-in and that should be end-game for what you seek.

Food for thought...

Hmmm, I'm not really worried about electrical noise, far from it. I used to think USB plugged in was about the best you could do. So at this point, it's just how far I can take it at a reasonable price.

The power line adapters were crap. They are out completely. Unfortunately, the room is too far to run ethernet from router. Even if I could, I've still heard that the galvanic isolation doesn't solve all of the problems. So I do have an idea in mind. I'm waiting for the upcoming Bryston Wifi USB dongle. That way I don't need to worry about USB hard drives or media storage at all. The USB drives attached to the router or a dedicated NAS will be in another room.

There's three ways I'm thinking so far:

1) Plug the Dongle into BDP-1 USB port directly.

2) Same as above but with a Jitterbug in the middle.

3) Plug the Dongle into a USB hub with nothing connected to it and on the output cable to the BDP-1, throw a Jitterbug then. Maybe a LPS for the hub.

I already have the hub and an additional Jitterbug to mess around with. I'll try the 3 settings and see where that takes me and if I want to invest in a LPS for the hub. If I pursue it, the LPS for the hub will be the absolute last thing I will get to push the BDP-1's maximum performance. No more after that. It's already so far ahead of the other computers that I have and the previous BDP-1 configurations I've used. It's almost just for academics at this point.

Overall, the priority isn't that high on the list. I'm far more concerned with getting internet connection again to the BDP-1. I want to try out the Sounirok app that's been sitting for over a month without use. Chill out with internet radio once in a while.

James or Chris, has there been any updates on the USB dongle? Pricing or availability?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Aug 2017, 09:15 pm
I am using a prototype BDP-3 Chris put together for me with an internal wifi dongle and its working great in my Room 3.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 17 Aug 2017, 09:58 pm
I am using a prototype BDP-3 Chris put together for me with an internal wifi dongle and its working great in my Room 3.

james

Is the BDP-3 still in prototype stage or are there units that have started shipping?

"Internal wifi dongle"...is that a different design than the previous designs that you and other users wanted but ultimately thought would negatively affect performance. I remember you saying that adding wifi would be bad for noise. Hence, ethernet only. So clearly, this must be different, right?

Just trying to understand...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Aug 2017, 10:04 pm
Is the BDP-3 still in prototype stage or are there units that have started shipping?

"Internal wifi dongle"...is that a different design than the previous designs that you and other users wanted but ultimately thought would negatively affect performance. I remember you saying that adding wifi would be bad for noise. Hence, ethernet only. So clearly, this must be different, right?

Just trying to understand...

Hi

Yes we are experimenting with internal vs what is available now - which is the external dongle.

The external dongle works well but some customers and dealers have expressed an interest in an internal option.

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 17 Aug 2017, 11:23 pm
Hi

Yes we are experimenting with internal vs what is available now - which is the external dongle.

The external dongle works well but some customers and dealers have expressed an interest in an internal option.

James

Internal would look neat and clean for sure, but could negatively impact performance. More than that, how will that impact upgradability? If the speed is already good enough for high-res uncompressed and for Roon purposes, then you won't have to worry about speed as a feature to upgrade in the future.

Will this Wifi dongle work with other devices, or just the BDP?

My android IPTV box came with this wifi USB adapter: http://buylanka.lk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/UT8V_9wXmVXXXagOFbXW.jpg

In the time being, can I use this adapter to try out with the BDP either now or when the new update comes? Or will the update only support the Bryston dongle?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Aug 2017, 12:14 am
Internal would look neat and clean for sure, but could negatively impact performance. More than that, how will that impact upgradability? If the speed is already good enough for high-res uncompressed and for Roon purposes, then you won't have to worry about speed as a feature to upgrade in the future.

Will this Wifi dongle work with other devices, or just the BDP?

My android IPTV box came with this wifi USB adapter: http://buylanka.lk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/UT8V_9wXmVXXXagOFbXW.jpg

In the time being, can I use this adapter to try out with the BDP either now or when the new update comes? Or will the update only support the Bryston dongle?

Its a Chris question but I believe the update is for use with our dongle.

james

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 19 Aug 2017, 06:44 pm
Chris or anyone:
 Thinking about a BDA-3.  Does the BDP-2 send DSD256?

   Rich

Yes.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Aug 2017, 07:39 pm
Yes.

Only as DoP and the BDA-3 will only accept up to DoP128, eventually the BDP-2 and 3 will see a native DSD release, but it's some time off.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Aug 2017, 07:47 pm
Internal would look neat and clean for sure, but could negatively impact performance. More than that, how will that impact upgradability? If the speed is already good enough for high-res uncompressed and for Roon purposes, then you won't have to worry about speed as a feature to upgrade in the future.

Will this Wifi dongle work with other devices, or just the BDP?

My android IPTV box came with this wifi USB adapter: http://buylanka.lk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/UT8V_9wXmVXXXagOFbXW.jpg

In the time being, can I use this adapter to try out with the BDP either now or when the new update comes? Or will the update only support the Bryston dongle?

The BDP firmware has had wifi support since S2.18 and now that we are releasing our own accessory kit we have have gone back and fixed some bugs and made some changes to make it a bit more intuitive.  Our wifi dongle uses an ralink 802.11n chipset supporting up 300mpbs.  The firmware, based on Debian wheezy includes drivers for ralink, atheros and Realtek.  802.11ac wifi dongles aren't likely to be supported due to what appears to be somewhat limited support for the newest procotol and the fact our kernel 3.16 is quite old at this point.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Aug 2017, 07:51 pm
S2.34 2017-06-20
Chris:
 Have had a couple of power outages in the last month.  My procedure is to turn off the BDP, unplug -- replug in, and finally turn the BDP back on.  In the past this has worked OK.

 The last couple of times, after above, new tracks added do not update properly; The data base progress window on the bottom right never shows yet the tracks do turn from red to gray.  Although they appear to be ready to use ( gray not red ) adding them to a playlist does not work.  I can add them and MM shows they were added but when I attempt to save the playlist the word "Saved!" never shows on the playlist save window and the tracks do not show when looking at the M3U playlist in the playlist folder.

 The resolution is to reboot the BDP from the Dashboard after which the added tracks are red again.  Now they can be added by clicking on + and the data base window does show.

 For some reason I now have to add the Dashboard / Reboot BDP step after a power outage.  Is this normal?

  Thanks. Rich

Hi Rich,

Some of our users have been reporting some strange behaviour with S2.34 that appear to be gone from the most recent testing builds.  You may want to first try clearing the cache, an option found in the mpd settings page found on dashboard.  If your still having issues try running one of the testbuilds, you can Always revert back to s2.34

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Xinon on 20 Aug 2017, 08:37 am
Hi Rich,

Some of our users have been reporting some strange behaviour with S2.34 that appear to be gone from the most recent testing builds.  You may want to first try clearing the cache, an option found in the mpd settings page found on dashboard.  If your still having issues try running one of the testbuilds, you can Always revert back to s2.34

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Can you please give a little more detailed description on how to clean cashe, I cant seem to find this option on the dashboard.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 20 Aug 2017, 05:02 pm
Thanks Chris
 I did the Clear Cache thing.  Will have to see what happens after the next power outage.

 Guess a battery in the BDP to allow auto shutdown on power outage is not cost effective or maybe there is not enough room in the BDP to fit a battery :dunno:

  Thanks.  Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 20 Aug 2017, 05:21 pm
Thanks Chris
 I did the Clear Cache thing.  Will have to see what happens after the next power outage.

 Guess a battery in the BDP to allow auto shutdown on power outage is not cost effective or maybe there is not enough room in the BDP to fit a battery :dunno:

  Thanks.  Rich

We thought about it, but there are only hand handful of conditions were the bdp is writing data to its internal storage, then the cost, no to mention batteries create additional safety concerns and yah space.  We thought it would be easier to simply use two partitions (introduced with manic moose) and have user specific things separated and have the ability the reset certain files (ie clear cache).
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: R. Daneel on 27 Aug 2017, 10:05 am
Hi Chris!

Why is the "physical" interface on my BDP-2 slow? I sometimes use the front panel controls and the display to navigate through a USB flash drive that have been added recently.

For example, when I navigate to the folder and press PLAY and then try to skip to a next song by pressing >> it takes up to 10 seconds before the machine allows you to do that. For example, when the machine starts playing track #2 after track #1 has ended, it will still show track #1 on the display for 10 seconds or so. It is only when the display finally "catches up" and shows what is actually playing (track #2) that is allows you to skip to track #3.

Just naming the tracks as an example of course, it is the same with any track. The on-board controls and display have a significant lag.

All is perfect through the web interface but the same thing happens when I use the "virtual front panel".

I already reset the machine to factory settings and cleared the cache in MPD but it didn't seem to help.

Thanks!
Antun
Title: BDP-2 with 8TB drive? NAS option? Roon?
Post by: davidtgoh on 25 Nov 2017, 07:26 pm
I have music stored on the BDP-2 internal hd (downloads), and two 4TB Seagate USB drives (one for DSD, the other for cd rips).  For my classical listening, I want to add a combined drive that is sorted by composer then compositions - an instance would be to have all performances of Beethoven's 7th Symphony in one folder, no matter if downloaded 96/24, ripped DSD or ripped CD.  I figure I will need about 8TB of space.  1) Will the library size of the BPD-2 accommodate another 8TB of hard drive I info (I'd like to keep the existing drive also attached because they are sorted by performer)?  2) For those of you who use NAS, have you experienced less sound quality than from a USB attached HD?  NAS would be awesome because I could then backup to a cloud service like Backblaze. 3)Would Roon do all this "gathering together" for me?

Thanks!

David
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ttsto on 26 Nov 2017, 11:07 am
Using NAS for the last 4 years after fiddling with USB drives on my BDP1. I find the same sound quality but much better functionality, for example to copy files from PC to USB attached drives was slow, now it is very fast, plus back-up...
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Krutsch on 26 Nov 2017, 05:18 pm
Using NAS for the last 4 years after fiddling with USB drives on my BDP1. I find the same sound quality but much better functionality, for example to copy files from PC to USB attached drives was slow, now it is very fast, plus back-up...

Well, that depends on your USB flash drives. My Corsair GTX flash drives can sustain write speeds from my MacBook at 350+ MB/sec. I doubt your NAS drive is anywhere near that performance.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CDinsmore on 26 Nov 2017, 08:13 pm
My media player is duplicating sections of my library for some reason. For example the drop down menu that allows you to go directly to a letter in the alphabet has 'G', 'M', 'S', and '6' listed after the letter Z. I put my unit in service mode and got a code 130 if that means anything. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2017, 05:31 pm
My media player is duplicating sections of my library for some reason. For example the drop down menu that allows you to go directly to a letter in the alphabet has 'G', 'M', 'S', and '6' listed after the letter Z. I put my unit in service mode and got a code 130 if that means anything.

It appears MPD is breaking up a few of your folders and isn't immediately apparent as to why.  You may wish to select a different version of MPD in the meantime, this setting can be found in the MPD settings page found on the dashboard.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CDinsmore on 3 Dec 2017, 06:51 pm
The issue seems to have resolved itself for the most part. I now only see one album out of place at the end of the alphabet. I think it may be due to an odd accent character included in the name of the band. 
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 15 Dec 2017, 03:45 pm
I finally got an opportunity to listen to Tidal on my BDP-2. I compared the sound of a few albums with the same albums I own and imported as aiff files. In every instance of comparing the Tidal version with my own imported version on a USB drive, the USB drives were hands down better sounding and the differences were noticed immediately.  :o As a result, I do not understand all this infatuation with Tidal. Perhaps it is for those without a sufficient collection of CDs. For those like me who already own their music, Tidal is irrelevant and does not sound as good as your own imported music.  :nono:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2017, 04:03 pm
I finally got an opportunity to listen to Tidal on my BDP-2. I compared the sound of a few albums with the same albums I own and imported as aiff files. In every instance of comparing the Tidal version with my own imported version on a USB drive, the USB drives were hands down better sounding and the differences were noticed immediately.  :o As a result, I do not understand all this infatuation with Tidal. Perhaps it is for those without a sufficient collection of CDs. For those like me who already own their music, Tidal is irrelevant and does not sound as good as your own imported music.  :nono:

Hi

I agree - I like Tidal for auditioning music but much prefer ripped CD's or downloaded digital files. 

By the way heard this on Tidal and bought the CD and Ripped it - great CD - KALEO (group) A/B (album) - especially tracks 'Way down we go' and 'Broken Bones'

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 15 Dec 2017, 04:44 pm
James, thanks for confirming my hearing is still good and I'm not crazy. :D Also, thank you for the music recommendation.  8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: RandyH on 15 Dec 2017, 05:01 pm
My experience with TIDAL is more varied.  Some Tidal cuts are indistinguishable from CD...some are not.  Same with MQA versions.  The differences in sound quality is more like the differences between CD players.  Not earth shattering but noticeable if you really want to spend the time comparing them.  In any case, pure sound quality is not for me the attraction of TIDAL.  Even though I also own a lot of music...I don't own it all.  For me, the discovery of new music is how TIDAL has transformed my listening experience.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 15 Dec 2017, 07:46 pm
In any case, pure sound quality is not for me the attraction of TIDAL.  Even though I also own a lot of music...I don't own it all.  For me, the discovery of new music is how TIDAL has transformed my listening experience.

Too bad Tidal is not the ultimate sonic experience. You can hear new music for free using the free radio stations on iTunes or Amazon Prime. Regardless, neither sound good enough to rely upon for serious listening which is why I prefer to buy my music on CDs. I am still buying CDs from Amazon and when I get them, I import them to my BDP-2 as aiff files and store them immediately. If you are using Tidal more for listening to new music, you can do the same with iTunes, free.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 15 Dec 2017, 07:49 pm
My experience with TIDAL is more varied.  Some Tidal cuts are indistinguishable from CD...some are not.  Same with MQA versions.  The differences in sound quality is more like the differences between CD players.  Not earth shattering but noticeable if you really want to spend the time comparing them.  In any case, pure sound quality is not for me the attraction of TIDAL.  Even though I also own a lot of music...I don't own it all.  For me, the discovery of new music is how TIDAL has transformed my listening experience.

I forgot to mention the host of free stations on the BDP-2 that one can listen to new music. I sometimes listen to Oasis 96.9 on the BDP-2 and it plays plenty of new music.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Dec 2017, 07:51 pm
  I am still buying CDs from Amazon and when I get them, I import them to my BDP-2 as aiff files and store them immediately.

 :thumb:

I rip to Flac then put it on my USB drive for BDP.   :thumb:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2017, 07:54 pm

Too bad Tidal is not the ultimate sonic experience. You can hear new music for free using the free radio stations on iTunes or Amazon Prime. Regardless, neither sound good enough to rely upon for serious listening which is why I prefer to buy my music on CDs. I am still buying CDs from Amazon and when I get them, I import them to my BDP-2 as aiff files and store them immediately. If you are using Tidal more for listening to new music, you can do the same with iTunes, free.

HI

I think the advantage Tidal has though is it really is CD quality (relatively speaking)  (if you set it up that way) whereas the streamed music is not very good in my opinion - ok for back ground listening but not critical assessing.

I have tried to listen to steaming music at 320 and it does sound better but there does not seem to be many stations broadcasting at 320.  I like Radio Paradise which does offer high res streaming at 320.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2017, 07:58 pm
Here's some lower res stations I use on Bryston Radio that I fine sound OK:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172795)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2017, 08:01 pm
The 2 stations at 320 I listen to are Radio Paradise and Monster

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172796)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2017, 08:23 pm
Thanks for the tip on Oasis sounds great  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Dec 2017, 09:34 pm
With streaming services, you never know which master or remaster you're getting. This applies to all the streaming services I've tried so far. With Tidal, hopefully they are streaming CD versions unaltered without messing it to promote MQA. You cannot say with 100% confidence that a streaming service will still be there after X time. I use Spotify for casual listening and on mobile.

All serious listening done with my own local music. I know exactly which masters/press to pick for a certain artist. With some artists, this can drive you insane as they have 10+ versions to choose from. Still, not a bad problem to have.

As for SQ, if Tidal is streaming the same information (track) as what one has downloaded, then any differences in SQ is simply based on the implementation of the networking and digital devices used. I wouldn't knock Tidal for that. Meaningful comparisons can only be done if one knows they are listening to identical audio files.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 16 Dec 2017, 07:10 pm
Thanks for the tip on Oasis sounds great  :thumb:

James

Your welcome. This is the format I listen to regularly, and when I hear something I really like, I go on Amazon and purchase the CD. As good as my SP3 and BDA-3 are at playing back hi res music, I really find regular PCM at 44/16 sampling rate sounds more "natural" which is why I continue to buy CDs and import all the music onto my Bryston BDP-2. The BDP-2 has allowed me to have more or less my own radio station.  8)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: KeithA on 5 Jan 2018, 03:42 am
Silly question time...

I'm looking at a BDP-2 at a dealer that listed as a newer (11 months old) BDP-2. So, I assume this one has the IAD update, etc, However, the faceplate has a silk-screened logo. I've never seen that on recent BDPs (or any BDP picture that I've seen) as I've always seen the 'relief-styled' logo.

Were any recent BDPs done with this style faceplate? I'll call the dealer tomorrow, but I'm just curious.

Keith

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=173850)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: dznutz on 5 Jan 2018, 07:33 am
What makes you think that is silk screened?  I assure you it is not

If that Dealer is Audio Eden you might want to PM me
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: KeithA on 5 Jan 2018, 08:36 am
What makes you think that is silk screened?  I assure you it is not

If that Dealer is Audio Eden you might want to PM me

Lol...It just looks different that any of the logo styles I've seen in any pictures of units! That's why I said silly question time! I'll likely give the shop a call today if I'm interested enough to possibly pull the trigger..

Actually, it's just likely a newer faceplate style as I've found pics of BDP-3s with the same faceplate. Lol...tragedy averted !

Yes...it is the one listed on CAM.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 12 Jan 2018, 11:16 pm
Going out of my mind here as I don't know what the heck I did on my BDP-2. I have access to all my music on my internal HD, external HD or NAS. I can choose the titles I want to listen to as usual, however, when I click play the song appears, the album art appears but nothing happens.... The time stays on 0.00??? Try a different song, same thing.... Try a song on a USB drive, same thing. Everything loads like normal but player doesn't play? Must have hit something in dashboard. I was playing with DSD files and trying to get it add new, which it did. Now when I try to just play normal 44.1 Flacs my EMM Labs DA2 shows that it has a lock with the BDP-2 but at 192 and not 44.1. If i try another source thru the DA2 no issue. USB from my Laptop works fine with DSD's. Spotify streams fine with Coax input. Only one not working is my music via the BDP-2 thru AES/EBU. Bryston is closed and its going to be a cold weekend up here in Winnipeg. Someone save my weekend. Don't make me spend it driving the wife around town, lol....
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 12 Jan 2018, 11:23 pm
By the way it was working perfectly until I started F**king around with it, lol... Probably something very simple that I'm missing.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jan 2018, 11:36 pm
Going out of my mind here as I don't know what the heck I did on my BDP-2. I have access to all my music on my internal HD, external HD or NAS. I can choose the titles I want to listen to as usual, however, when I click play the song appears, the album art appears but nothing happens.... The time stays on 0.00??? Try a different song, same thing.... Try a song on a USB drive, same thing. Everything loads like normal but player doesn't play? Must have hit something in dashboard. I was playing with DSD files and trying to get it add new, which it did. Now when I try to just play normal 44.1 Flacs my EMM Labs DA2 shows that it has a lock with the BDP-2 but at 192 and not 44.1. If i try another source thru the DA2 no issue. USB from my Laptop works fine with DSD's. Spotify streams fine with Coax input. Only one not working is my music via the BDP-2 thru AES/EBU. Bryston is closed and its going to be a cold weekend up here in Winnipeg. Someone save my weekend. Don't make me spend it driving the wife around town, lol....

Make sure under Audio Devices you have selected your DAC

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 12 Jan 2018, 11:57 pm
I checked that. DAC has never appeared there, just the BUC board?? If I plug the USB in then the DAC appears but not with just the AES?? Thought the USB was screwing things up so took it out of the loop to see if it would correct everything, rebooted and no luck.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 13 Jan 2018, 12:03 am
see full screenshots below.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 13 Jan 2018, 01:08 am
You can take screenshots of the computer by pressing "Command" + "Shift" + "4" at the same time.

This should make your life easier: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201361
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 13 Jan 2018, 03:01 am
Thanks for the tip. Here are the full screenshots. still haven't been able get things going.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174409)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174410)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174411)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174412)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jan 2018, 03:09 am
Your audio output appears to be disabled, click the enable button
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 13 Jan 2018, 03:37 am
That did the trick. Thank-you, Thank-you Chris. You saved a marriage. Lol. All good again. Appreciate your help.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174416)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 13 Jan 2018, 03:55 am
That did the trick. Thank-you, Thank-you Chris. You saved a marriage. Lol. All good again. Appreciate your help.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174416)

LMAO I just taught you how to screenshot and now you've gone all upside down exorcist!  :lol:

Glad it worked out.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: OTM on 13 Jan 2018, 03:59 am
--Chris
You are too good to us!
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Pundamilia on 13 Jan 2018, 04:00 am
FWIW, I have found that sometimes if I turn on the BDP before the DAC and start playing something, there is not sound until the BDP "finds" the connection to the DAC. At first, I thought it was a problem and I would go to the Dashboard/Devices to "turn on" the DAC connection, but if I just wait a few seconds, the connection gets made.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: shpritz on 13 Jan 2018, 04:16 am
Zoom25; I got so excited the fix worked and had no idea how to screenshot on Windows, hahahaha
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 15 Jan 2018, 03:00 pm
FWIW, I have found that sometimes if I turn on the BDP before the DAC and start playing something, there is not sound until the BDP "finds" the connection to the DAC. At first, I thought it was a problem and I would go to the Dashboard/Devices to "turn on" the DAC connection, but if I just wait a few seconds, the connection gets made.

I'm assuming your using USB between your DAC and BDP?  The BDP when it powers up it'll configuring its internal audio device and any USB devices, if your USB DAC isn't plugged in, turned on, USB input selected then it may not be detected upon startup.  You can always check the audio device pages to see if your DAC is currently seen by the BDP and if its configured to be used.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Page 15, Audio Devices.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: MoPac on 28 Jan 2018, 05:59 pm
BDP-2 with sound card

Chris:
 Back on 07/25/2014 I posted about skipping when playing MP3 tracks ( they are 256 or 320 ).  Is this still the case?  I have a number of free sample tracks from our local Chicago label Cedille and would like to include them in the library.

    Thanks. Rich
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 30 Jan 2018, 03:09 pm
Has anyone had issues with accessing the BDP on a windows 10 network?  Mine seems very flaky.  I only access the drive on the network when i upload new music so i'm not sure when it disappeared.  MM can still be accessed via the PC and it works ok but no luck seeing the drive on the network.  Once last night it seemed to be there but when i clicked on the icon the password screen didn't pop up just a message stating something like the name might not be matching.  I have an internal drive so this is a real pita.  Very frustrating to the point i might be looking for a new player or taking the internal drive out and use an external.  This used to be a relaxing pastime where have we gone.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 30 Jan 2018, 04:33 pm
This probably has more to do with your network than the BDP. If you haven't already, go into your router and set it up to assign the same IP address to your BDP every time. That seems to solve most networking errors.

Any chance you installed/updated a software firewall or made any changes to your network (new users, changes in file sharing, etc)?

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 30 Jan 2018, 11:55 pm
You can try connecting to the bdp directly by entering

\\<BDP’s IP address>

It doesn’t sound like samba v1 has been uninstalled, but this is something else you can check
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 31 Jan 2018, 01:27 am
I get this message
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175440)

Update i went to Windows features and check off all features under "SMB" file sharing and that worked.  It must have been a windows update that shut it off.  This might be enough for me to remove my internal drive what a PITA
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 31 Jan 2018, 03:46 am
Microsoft is getting ready to remove the Homegroup feature. Not sure if that is what caused them to change settings in SMB, but it tinkered with other stuff on my network too. Everything has been stable for me for years. This really is an unusual set of circumstances, not something with which you'd normally have to contend.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 31 Jan 2018, 03:58 am
^^  Microsoft sucks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 31 Jan 2018, 04:38 am
Microsoft is getting ready to remove the Homegroup feature. Not sure if that is what caused them to change settings in SMB, but it tinkered with other stuff on my network too. Everything has been stable for me for years. This really is an unusual set of circumstances, not something with which you'd normally have to contend.


Ya and the next time i need do it will forget how or they will move it
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Larry Dickman on 4 Feb 2018, 02:25 am

Update i went to Windows features and check off all features under "SMB" file sharing and that worked.  It must have been a windows update that shut it off.  This might be enough for me to remove my internal drive what a PITA

THANK YOU!!

It's been a while since I needed to copy music from my desktop to the external drive connected to my BDP-pi. So imagine my surprise when the BDP wasn't showing in my network even though MPD was working fine on the PC. So per your advice I went to Control Panel>Programs>Turn Windows Features On or Off>and checked the box SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support. After re-booting the computer, I have Bryston in the Network again!

However I found this: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/disable-smb1-windows
Is this a concern?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 4 Feb 2018, 03:09 am
I am alway concerned when i make network file sharing setting adjustments on my machine and maybe Chris can pipe in on this one.  I just read that SMB 1.0 is disabled because it is only needed for running older versions of Samba which i guess the BDP 2 is running this setting can apparently put your computer at risk.  I would appreciate some clarification on this from someone more in the know than me.    https://www.howtogeek.com/321072/how-to-disable-smbv1-and-protect-your-windows-pc-from-attack/

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Larry Dickman on 4 Feb 2018, 03:39 am
Since I only need BDP-pi in my network to copy files (everything else works fine when it's not in my network), until I learn otherwise I will disable SMB 1.0 and re-enable it as needed to copy new music files to external hard drive, then disable it again.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 4 Feb 2018, 04:40 am
Unless your pc is in a corporate environment there’s no reason to disable it and if the only reason for having it enabled is strictly for the bdp then It’s the only system that can be compromised and could be compromised regardless.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Larry Dickman on 4 Feb 2018, 06:34 am
Disable the SMB in our BDPs NOW!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175646)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Feb 2018, 02:07 am
Disable the SMB in our BDPs NOW!

I'm not sure if your being serious or not
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Larry Dickman on 5 Feb 2018, 02:12 am
I'm not sure if your being serious or not
It's a joke, I later changed my mind but don't see how to delete a post.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 5 Feb 2018, 02:57 pm
All you would have to do is uncheck samba lol
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 5 Feb 2018, 07:16 pm
It's a joke, I later changed my mind but don't see how to delete a post.

Some things are not funny and cause unnecessary concern and panic.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 2 Mar 2018, 10:04 pm
Hi, I have ''two'' Juli@ on my BDP-2...
Is there any mistake?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176948)


Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 3 Mar 2018, 01:07 am
Coax and AES.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Roberto135 on 3 Mar 2018, 10:30 am
Ok, thank You. I remembered badly that I had only one before...  :duh:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: NHSkier on 19 Mar 2018, 09:34 pm
James, is there any reason a BDP and/or BDA could not be installed vertically versus horizontally? Based on pictures, I do not see any vents on top of the units. The reason I ask is that the TV cabinet I'm working with has limited shelf space and my amp, universal disc player and cable box take up the main section, leaving me with only the narrower sections on the sides. The WAF prevents me from upgrading to a larger media cabinet or dedicated rack. Thanks.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Mar 2018, 11:34 pm
James, is there any reason a BDP and/or BDA could not be installed vertically versus horizontally? Based on pictures, I do not see any vents on top of the units. The reason I ask is that the TV cabinet I'm working with has limited shelf space and my amp, universal disc player and cable box take up the main section, leaving me with only the narrower sections on the sides. The WAF prevents me from upgrading to a larger media cabinet or dedicated rack. Thanks.

Hi

There are no moving parts so you should be fine.

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: NHSkier on 19 Mar 2018, 11:41 pm
Great news! Thanks for the quick response.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Lwxian on 31 Mar 2018, 01:26 pm
Hi james, i would like to upgrade my bdp-2 to bdp-3. When will it be made available? I heard from my local dealer that it is still not made available for upgrade yet.
I have been using the tidal app quite a lot these days... I find the bryston tidal app is acting pretty slow. Hence, hopefully the bdp-3 hardware upgrade will speed up the app.
Oh yes, the bryston tidal app could not call out EP and singles under the chosen artist. The discography under the chosen artist only display albums and not EP and singles which is a very important feature of tidal. Hope the next firmware update will fix that issue.
Thanks!
Leong
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Mar 2018, 01:51 pm
Hi james, i would like to upgrade my bdp-2 to bdp-3. When will it be made available? I heard from my local dealer that it is still not made available for upgrade yet.
I have been using the tidal app quite a lot these days... I find the bryston tidal app is acting pretty slow. Hence, hopefully the bdp-3 hardware upgrade will speed up the app.
Oh yes, the bryston tidal app could not call out EP and singles under the chosen artist. The discography under the chosen artist only display albums and not EP and singles which is a very important feature of tidal. Hope the next firmware update will fix that issue.
Thanks!
Leong

Hi Leong

The upgrade has been available for a few months now - please email Mike - mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Lwxian on 1 Apr 2018, 01:13 am
Thanks James for the quick reply! Yup, I will follow up with Mike.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: audioMirror on 10 May 2018, 12:35 am
Has anyone had issues with accessing the BDP on a windows 10 network?  Mine seems very flaky.  I only access the drive on the network when i upload new music so i'm not sure when it disappeared.  MM can still be accessed via the PC and it works ok but no luck seeing the drive on the network.  Once last night it seemed to be there but when i clicked on the icon the password screen didn't pop up just a message stating something like the name might not be matching.  I have an internal drive so this is a real pita.  Very frustrating to the point i might be looking for a new player or taking the internal drive out and use an external.  This used to be a relaxing pastime where have we gone.

On my last Windows 10 update, I also lost the ability to see the BDP-2 internal drive.  I also had to go into "Turn Windows Features On/Off", and re-enable Samba 1 client capability on the Windows machine.

While this is an okay workaround for my situation, as a software developer, I would suggest that Bryston really does have to support the more secure Samba, sooner than later.  In the software world, old security protocols are being turned off all over the place.  There will come a day when the BDP simply will not connect to anything via Samba. 

Of course, upgrading could have an effect on old client machines.  That's where testers make their money :)
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BigGeek on 10 May 2018, 10:45 pm
On my last Windows 10 update, I also lost the ability to see the BDP-2 internal drive.  I also had to go into "Turn Windows Features On/Off", and re-enable Samba 1 client capability on the Windows machine.

While this is an okay workaround for my situation, as a software developer, I would suggest that Bryston really does have to support the more secure Samba, sooner than later.  In the software world, old security protocols are being turned off all over the place.  There will come a day when the BDP simply will not connect to anything via Samba. 

Of course, upgrading could have an effect on old client machines.  That's where testers make their money :)

+1000

Took me a really long time to figure out that I had to turn on SMB1 again.

Definitely time to sort this one out.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Grit on 11 May 2018, 06:40 am
Ditto to all of that.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: mslater915 on 13 May 2018, 02:22 am
James, wondering if you or your guys could help. I have a BDP 2 that feeds into a Chord Dave and blu mk ii CD player. At the moment it is connected by usb and works very well.

I have ordered an AES cable and a BNC cable to free up the USB connection to the DAC to connect to my Mac mini. The problem is that when I connect the BDP 2 via AES or BNC I don’t see either connection available in the devices tab. I tried restarting the device several times in the hope that a restart would force the player to repelled for new devices. However that doesn’t seem to work.

I am wondering if I did something wrong when I upgraded the card to new IAD last year?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks
Mike.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 13 May 2018, 06:03 am
James, wondering if you or your guys could help. I have a BDP 2 that feeds into a Chord Dave and blu mk ii CD player. At the moment it is connected by usb and works very well.

I have ordered an AES cable and a BNC cable to free up the USB connection to the DAC to connect to my Mac mini. The problem is that when I connect the BDP 2 via AES or BNC I don’t see either connection available in the devices tab. I tried restarting the device several times in the hope that a restart would force the player to repelled for new devices. However that doesn’t seem to work.

I am wondering if I did something wrong when I upgraded the card to new IAD last year?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks
Mike.

Hi Mike,

AES/EBU and COAX are the Bryston IAD entry on the devices page, it doesn't show as the chord simply because theirs no way for the DAC to communicate that to the BDP via SPDIF.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rajkumar.P on 16 Aug 2018, 11:21 am
Hello Bryston, I have BDP-1 as well as BDP-2, I observed both have problem if there is any small vibration (even if I touch BDP hardly) it was hanging while playing song repeated (look like scratch LP record) panel keyboard not respond as well as media player. I have to shutdown restart BDP. Seems look like lose connection! Please help me what could be to cause? Thanks Rajkumar     
Title: Error code 04
Post by: BigGeek on 17 Sep 2018, 11:06 pm
I have a BDP-2 with IAD and the Sept. 11 firmware version of MM. Lately I have had the unit click and then show an Error code 04. I turn the unit off and then have to remove and replace power to it to get it to come back on. It has happened only a few times. When it comes back up it is fine.

Seems like it happens when it is really hot outside. The unit is a bit more enclosed than I would like. Could an error code 04 be caused by warm conditions?

Thanks
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 19 Sep 2018, 05:23 pm
Error 04 is a low line voltage message, the line voltage has sagged so low that the transformer inside the BDP is dropping the voltage to much for the BDP's regulators to use and thus the BDP's system board isn't able to function.  It could be related to how hot it is outside in the sense that everyone in your neighbourhood have there AC running and causing heavy load on the service in your area to the point were the line voltage is sagging to much.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: BigGeek on 19 Sep 2018, 10:25 pm
Thanks Chris. I’ll keep a close eye on it.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 7 Oct 2018, 01:25 am
Error 04 is a low line voltage message, the line voltage has sagged so low that the transformer inside the BDP is dropping the voltage to much for the BDP's regulators to use and thus the BDP's system board isn't able to function.  It could be related to how hot it is outside in the sense that everyone in your neighbourhood have there AC running and causing heavy load on the service in your area to the point were the line voltage is sagging to much.

Chris

Would a line conditioner solve a temporary low voltage problem?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player Error 9
Post by: jimsmy on 27 Oct 2018, 10:11 pm
Hi,
I recent had Error 9 come up on my BDP2. I followed the recommended checks and re flashed the CF card. The message is still there. I confirmed that the CF card was ok on my BDP1. When the player is on standby there is is high pitched noise from the area around the power supply board that disappears when the unit is activated ( green light on).
I would appreciate some advice.
Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: AG on 28 Oct 2018, 03:56 pm
Hi,
Can one of the USB ports be configured to accept a wi-fi dongle?
Thanks
AG
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 28 Oct 2018, 05:24 pm
Hi,
Can one of the USB ports be configured to accept a wi-fi dongle?
Thanks
AG

Sure. All you need is Bryston's upgrade to I believe 2.36 and to purchase its USB google for about $80.00. I chose to have my unit upgraded to the BDP-3 and I now have built in wi-fi.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: zoom25 on 28 Oct 2018, 05:39 pm
This also gets the job done at a much lower price. Tested and works flawlessly:

https://www.amazon.com/Panda-2-4GHz-300Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B00U2SIS0O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540748314&sr=8-3&keywords=panda+wireless+pau07
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: akosgyorfi on 28 Oct 2018, 06:14 pm
okay thank you
So i plug that stick in one of the usb sockets. What happens next? How do i configure it?
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: akosgyorfi on 5 Nov 2018, 02:06 pm
I contacted PMC in the UK about this stick and its availability and pricing with no response.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 5 Nov 2018, 06:13 pm
okay thank you
So i plug that stick in one of the usb sockets. What happens next? How do i configure it?

Follow these steps and if its compatible it should get you up and running.  If its still not working you could try a factory reset, but you may want to backup your playlists first

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/WiFi/BDP%20WiFi%20Adapter-draft%201.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: gbaby on 7 Nov 2018, 10:15 pm
I would strongly urge anyone with a BDP-2 to upgrade it to the BDP-3 with built in wi-fi. I had my unit upgraded to the BDP-3 and it was the best decision of the year. I got two extra USB ports as well as wi-fi, and much improved sound. As good as the BDP-2 sounded, the upgraded BDP-3 sounds even better particularly in USB. I am finding myself using USB more than ever. The sound has better stereo imaging, its more linear (especially the bass) and overall has more air and separation around all the instruments. Not being an audio wordsmith, its hard for me to articulate the improvements, but its there. Everything that Stereophile said about the upgrade in December of '17 is true.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 7 Nov 2018, 11:18 pm
The BDP-x has no analog output. It doesn't "sound" like anything. It's a stripped-down, dedicated computer, basically, that feeds a digital signal to a hi-end DAC. It's the DAC that's shaping the sound profile of my system.

And I love the BDP-2/BDA-1 combo. Pure analog, no digititis. No hiccups with wireless op, either.   :thumb:

cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ns on 16 Nov 2018, 08:38 am
Hi Everyone,

I have 2 questions:

1.
In the Bryston app under Audio Devices I have three things: ESI Juli@-ICE1724, ESI Juli@1724 IEC958, and Bryston USB Audio 2.0-USB Audio (DSD Enabled)
All have Enable/Disable buttons. I have the Bryston USB Audio ticked and enabled. Do the other 2 (ESI Juli@) have to be enabled or disabled? Switching them on/off makes no difference.

2.
When I know I am going to be listiening over the whole weekend (or longer) I usually leave the whole system on. Is this OK also for the BDP-2 (and I guess for the BDA-2 also)? Or should it be turned off when not in use. How long can it sit idle and is it OK?

Many thanks.
NS.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Nov 2018, 12:45 pm
Hi ns,

1. Should be ok if you hear no diffs when ticking the other boxes.

2. definitely ok to leave both "on". not big power consumers, either of them. I prefer to power down my power amp and linestage when not in use.

cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 16 Nov 2018, 07:32 pm
Hi Everyone,

I have 2 questions:

1.
In the Bryston app under Audio Devices I have three things: ESI Juli@-ICE1724, ESI Juli@1724 IEC958, and Bryston USB Audio 2.0-USB Audio (DSD Enabled)
All have Enable/Disable buttons. I have the Bryston USB Audio ticked and enabled. Do the other 2 (ESI Juli@) have to be enabled or disabled? Switching them on/off makes no difference.

2.
When I know I am going to be listiening over the whole weekend (or longer) I usually leave the whole system on. Is this OK also for the BDP-2 (and I guess for the BDA-2 also)? Or should it be turned off when not in use. How long can it sit idle and is it OK?

Many thanks.
NS.

If the button says "Enabled" then that output device is currently disabled and clicking the button will enable it.  The check boxes for each audio output tells the BDP its all right to output DSD on those outputs, so you'll only want to check the ones that are DSD capable.  I've generally left my units on 24/7 and they are generally original prototypes and are still going, so it should fine to leave it on for the weekend. 

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: ns on 19 Nov 2018, 03:14 pm
Great, thanks Chris and CandianMaestro  :D
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: bjski on 20 Nov 2018, 11:26 pm
I would strongly urge anyone with a BDP-2 to upgrade it to the BDP-3 with built in wi-fi. I had my unit upgraded to the BDP-3 and it was the best decision of the year. I got two extra USB ports as well as wi-fi, and much improved sound. As good as the BDP-2 sounded, the upgraded BDP-3 sounds even better particularly in USB. I am finding myself using USB more than ever. The sound has better stereo imaging, its more linear (especially the bass) and overall has more air and separation around all the instruments. Not being an audio wordsmith, its hard for me to articulate the improvements, but its there. Everything that Stereophile said about the upgrade in December of '17 is true.

I have a BDP-3 and just paid for my upgraded BDP-2 which will ship back to me Thursday. Highly recommended!👍
To bad we couldn’t upgrade SST/2 amps.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 21 Nov 2018, 01:54 pm
How does the BDP determine and display file resolution? Is it from the metadata or from the actual file itself? I noticed something odd in comparison to what my BDP and Oppo 205 were showing as resolution for a few files. The Oppo was showing as 16 bits whereas the BDP was showing 24 bits. These aren't my own personal file rips but some I got from a friend who in turn got from someone :) and I was under the impression as was he they were 24 bit. The meta data shows 24 bit so I'm curious why one device sees 24 while the other sees 16.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 21 Nov 2018, 02:24 pm
The Oppo was showing as 16 bits whereas the BDP was showing 24 bits. These aren't my own personal file rips but some I got from a friend who in turn got from someone :) and I was under the impression as was he they were 24 bit. The meta data shows 24 bit so I'm curious why one device sees 24 while the other sees 16.

Not sure why -- could be that one (Oppo) is not reading the file metadata correctly? (assuming that it is indeed a 24-bit file).

Bigger picture is whether circulating music files that were ripped from disc is legal.....  :roll:
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 21 Nov 2018, 03:03 pm
I suppose I could do a test, simply update the meta data to switch it from saying 24 to 16 and see if that has any impact on both devices. That would at least tell me where the devices gets the information from. If they are both unaffected though that would be puzzling as to me what I'm seeing only makes sense if one device relies solely on the accuracy of the meta data while the other actually reads the file itself.

My BDP is going digitally into my SSP via AES/EBU so I could look at what the SSP is displaying to see if it matches the BDP or differs. I know the SSP displays the kHz I just can't remember if it also displays the bit depth. Unfortunately I can't do this with the Oppo because it's going analog into my SSP so the SSP doesn't know what the digital file was before conversion.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 21 Nov 2018, 05:01 pm
Hi Everyone,

I have 2 questions:

1.
In the Bryston app under Audio Devices I have three things: ESI Juli@-ICE1724, ESI Juli@1724 IEC958, and Bryston USB Audio 2.0-USB Audio (DSD Enabled)
All have Enable/Disable buttons. I have the Bryston USB Audio ticked and enabled. Do the other 2 (ESI Juli@) have to be enabled or disabled? Switching them on/off makes no difference.

Many thanks.
NS.

Hi Chris, & everyone,

How is it that I don't find those 3 things (ESI Juli@-ICE1724, ESI Juli@1724 IEC958, and Bryston USB Audio 2.0-USB Audio (DSD Enabled))

Audio Devices shows as the following screenshot:

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187106)

Thanks in advance.

Fernando.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 22 Nov 2018, 06:17 pm
Hi Chris, & everyone,

How is it that I don't find those 3 things (ESI Juli@-ICE1724, ESI Juli@1724 IEC958, and Bryston USB Audio 2.0-USB Audio (DSD Enabled))

Audio Devices shows as the following screenshot:

Thanks in advance.

Fernando.

Hi Fernando

"ESI Juli@-ICE1724, ESI Juli@1724 IEC958" only show up on BDP-1's or early/mid BDP-2's that still have the original ESI Juli@ sound card.
"Bryston USB Audio 2.0-USB Audio (DSD Enabled)" Is specific to one of our DAC's

The screenshot you took appears normal for a BDP with our Bryston IAD installed in it.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Fernando on 24 Nov 2018, 01:08 pm

The screenshot you took appears normal for a BDP with our Bryston IAD installed in it.

Chris

good news Chris.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Nov 2018, 02:28 pm
I suppose I could do a test, simply update the meta data to switch it from saying 24 to 16 and see if that has any impact on both devices. That would at least tell me where the devices gets the information from. If they are both unaffected though that would be puzzling as to me what I'm seeing only makes sense if one device relies solely on the accuracy of the meta data while the other actually reads the file itself.

My BDP is going digitally into my SSP via AES/EBU so I could look at what the SSP is displaying to see if it matches the BDP or differs. I know the SSP displays the kHz I just can't remember if it also displays the bit depth. Unfortunately I can't do this with the Oppo because it's going analog into my SSP so the SSP doesn't know what the digital file was before conversion.

I located the root of the issue. The Oppo was technically displaying what it was seeing/being provided from the NAS. The problem was the DLNA settings on the NAS were set to transcode so for what ever reason the NAS didn't think the Oppo could deal with 24 bits and transcoded to 16 bits. Once I turned that off the Oppo immediately showed 24 bits. I was able to see the actual true resolution by navigating to the NAS via the SMB option rather than the DLNA option which I had been using all along.

So based on this I can only assume the BDP-2 gets the files either through SMB or NFS because if it was DLNA it would have had the same issue as the Oppo.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 27 Nov 2018, 02:31 pm

So based on this I can only assume the BDP-2 gets the files either through SMB or NFS because if it was DLNA it would have had the same issue as the Oppo.

Do you recommend turning off DLNA on BDP-2?
Edit: not sure whether BDP-2 would automatically "transcode" if it was DLNA.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Nov 2018, 02:41 pm
Probably more of a question for Chris to confirm what method the BDP-2 uses. For example if it's not DLNA (SMB, NFS) it probably wouldn't matter what the DLNA settings were based on my experience with the Oppo and it's possible if it is using DLNA the NAS would see the BDP as not needing any transcoding even if the NAS was set to transcode??
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2018, 08:51 pm
Do you recommend turning off DLNA on BDP-2?
Edit: not sure whether BDP-2 would automatically "transcode" if it was DLNA.

The BDP in DLNA render mode just takes what ever its given much like the oppo would have.  I'd recommend using SMB (aka Samba, aka CIFS), setup on the BDP's end is covered in the manic moose manual.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 27 Nov 2018, 10:37 pm
The BDP in DLNA render mode just takes what ever its given much like the oppo would have.  I'd recommend using SMB (aka Samba, aka CIFS), setup on the BDP's end is covered in the manic moose manual.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris

I don't use NAS -- only external USB drives attached to BDP via USB ports. Also, I use an older version of Moose.

Not clear to me what the benefits of using Samba would be, other than sharing drives on home network, which I don't do/need.

cheers
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 27 Nov 2018, 11:39 pm
The BDP in DLNA render mode just takes what ever its given much like the oppo would have.  I'd recommend using SMB (aka Samba, aka CIFS), setup on the BDP's end is covered in the manic moose manual.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris

Hi Chris, so I checked my services and I do have Samba engaged so that explains why the unit is seeing the correct resolution. I don't have any of the DLNA options and I'm running the latest firmware. Why don't I see those? The Shairplay and Squeeze items are not there either. I have Shairport and Roon Ready.

One other question, not related to the above, my BDP just started giving me a message saying the Bryston DB is almost full and to create a scratch disk or setup a larger one. What's up with that? My BDP does't have an internal drive, it only connects to an external NAS so that message makes no sense me.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 27 Nov 2018, 11:51 pm
Hi Chris, so I checked my services and I do have Samba engaged so that explains why the unit is seeing the correct resolution. I don't have any of the DLNA options and I'm running the latest firmware. Why don't I see those? The Shairplay and Squeeze items are not there either. I have Shairport and Roon Ready.

One other question, not related to the above, my BDP just started giving me a message saying the Bryston DB is almost full and to create a scratch disk or setup a larger one. What's up with that? My BDP does't have an internal drive, it only connects to an external NAS so that message makes no sense me.

There near the bottom, just before ifplugd, you'll need to scroll down.

Newer versions of the firmware have the ability to cache data related to your library to attempt to enhance the experience.  This data uses internal storage unless you set a scratch drive and it sounds like you've consumed at least 90% of the space dedicated for user data.  Setting a scratch drive is covered in the manic moose manual.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Nov 2018, 12:05 am
There near the bottom, just before ifplugd, you'll need to scroll down.

Newer versions of the firmware have the ability to cache data related to your library to attempt to enhance the experience.  This data uses internal storage unless you set a scratch drive and it sounds like you've consumed at least 90% of the space dedicated for user data.  Setting a scratch drive is covered in the manic moose manual.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris

Do'oh. I was using my iPad so there was no scroll bar thus I thought that was all that was there.

Concerning the scratch drive, I read the bit in the manual, does it have to be a USB drive since it says any locally attached drive? I don't have any USB's attached and there is only one option in my list? See below.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187337)

Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: unincognito on 28 Nov 2018, 02:32 pm
That's the internal storage that's listed and is whats currently being used, its not really critical until you run out of space completely and even then the unit will still continue to function, but the interface might behave a bit odd.  You only need a 4-8GB usb thumb drive to plug into the rear of the unit.

Chris
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Nov 2018, 02:36 pm
Thanks Chris. I guess I have done good to go this long, probably 2 years now without hitting the limit. I do have the Bryston USB stick that came with the unit around somewhere so I'll locate that and setup the  scratch drive.
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: akosgyorfi on 10 Dec 2018, 12:46 pm
Hi everyone,
I am expecting very slow transfer speed from pc to internal hard drive of the Bdp-2. It’s only a few Kbps
I have tried to copy from USB to internal hd as well with no success either
Any idea on these?
A few weeks ago I had no problem with copying files from pc to hd through the network. What goes wrong?
Any help is welcome
Title: Re: BDP-2 Digital Player
Post by: XMAN on 31 Dec 2018, 04:11 pm
is there anyway to clear cash i have a art problem with one of my files