X-static vs some other similar kits

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petemoss

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X-static vs some other similar kits
« on: 16 Jul 2017, 12:49 pm »
I was wondering if anyone here had the ability to compare the X-statics to some of the Campbell - Holtz designs (anthology, statement)...they seem similar in philosophy.  The execution is different for sure.  Just wondering how they compare?  The x-static kits are very intriguing to me..the family of speakers that can be made seem great in that line.

I recently  heard a variant of the Cambell holtz design (at least the base section with the two dayton drivers and was totally blown away.  Just wondering if anyone here has had the opportunity to compare the two families?

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Re: X-static vs some other similar kits
« Reply #1 on: 16 Jul 2017, 06:45 pm »
2 very different speakers and different design approaches. The Dayton woofers have more output and go lower in response. In the bass department the X Statics really need a good sub to help out down low.

The rest is room and taste dependent. The X static needs 3 plus feet of room behind them to really sing. Diffusion on the wall behind them takes it up another level. The X Static is also friendly to narrow rooms and rooms with hard or reflective side walls.

The dome VS ribbon debate also ads to the complexity. I just know with all but the best recordings, the domes sound more natural. They are a bit forgiving of often poor recordings and streaming that most of us enjoy because a lot of artists don't record for us audiophiles.

If resolution and bass slam are your priorities, the  Campbell Holtz design may best the X Statix. However, with some room behind them and a good sub, the X Statics are more likely to satisfy you long term with more software (music) available to enjoy.

Just an opinion from a long time X Static owner. I have bought and sold about 10 pair of speakers since I bought the X Static's. They sound great, look really cool and I don't have enough money in them to really matter. They are here to stay.

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« Reply #2 on: 16 Jul 2017, 07:29 pm »
The X statik was designed to hand off the last octave to a sub, but are not especially bass weak.  I find them sufficient for everything except large orchestra and the fullness of the lowest octave on a 9 foot grand piano... and for that I have a single two 12" OB servo sub.  In a medium/small room, that is more than enough bass. 
They make just about every short list of great value speakers. 

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« Reply #3 on: 17 Jul 2017, 05:08 pm »
I have a few customers that went from their Statements models to X-Statik's. Maybe they'll chime it.

The design philosophies couldn't be more different actually. They go in directions that I avoid like the plague.

I don't care for the metal cone drivers and especially the Dayton reference line. They sound very veiled and muddy to me, and they have sever ringing in the upper ranges. They could be used for low bass only, buy in their designs the high crossover points allow them well into the mid-range.

They also use very high crossover points. This doesn't allow the drivers to blend very well and causes out of phase cancellation effects in the vertical off axis that cause un-even room responses. It also diminishes the cohesiveness of the speaker and allows one to easily pin point locations of the tweeter, mids, and woofers. I tend to focus on transparency, sound stage layering, imaging, and presentation. Their design goes against those things by design.

And while the ribbon that they use is very nice, crossing it to the mid at 3.5kHz means it isn't even handling the delicate upper fundamentals. It is limited to only upper level harmonics. The mid is having to handle all the fundamentals. The tweeter in the X-Statik crosses in the 1.8kHz range. So the much more delicate details are handled by a much faster and more capable driver than a mid-range driver.

The low crossover point of the X-Statik also produces a much more accurate vertical off axis response.

And the vocal region of the open baffle X-Statik is on another level all together. You just can't get there in a boxed speaker even using the same high quality drivers let alone the drivers used in those designs.

I also tend to focus more on parts quality, wire, connectors, and everything that effects the signal transfer.

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« Reply #4 on: 17 Jul 2017, 05:25 pm »
I also make sure that the impedance loads of our designs are such that they can be easily driven by anything including tube amps. Even our multiple driver models are nominally 8 ohms. Impedance levels in the 3 ohm range or less really limit what they can be driven with.

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Re: X-static vs some other similar kits
« Reply #5 on: 18 Jul 2017, 04:30 pm »
Thanks all for your feedback.  I really appreciate it.  It is such a shame that written words are so inadequate in representing the aural and emotional experience of hearing a set of speakers.   

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Re: X-static vs some other similar kits
« Reply #6 on: 18 Jul 2017, 07:05 pm »
I have been listening to my X-Statiks while I have been refinishing my Wedgies.
It says a lot for a speaker when you go from something as good as the Wedgies and
still can be completely satisfied with the performance.

Have never heard any of Curt's speakers but I have built speakers using the drivers he
uses. I don't like metal cone drivers either. They are just grating on my ears. Maybe
that is the ringing Danny is talking about.

The X-Statiks have to be one best values in audio and the most well rounded speaker out
for the money. They are quite good with the stock crossover and with the Sonicap upgrade
and NoRez they can compete with many much higher priced speakers.
One of my favorite looking speakers too.



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Re: X-static vs some other similar kits
« Reply #7 on: 18 Jul 2017, 09:23 pm »
Keith yours are gorgeous.